Waiting To Dry

Welcome back to the only art podcast that deserves to exist! In this episode we talk about: 11:00 How to sell at art shows, maybe? 28:30 Brainstorming ideas for how to present a narrative without spoon-feeding your audience 41:30 A viral Reddit post about a photographer who deleted wedding photos in front of the groom 1:02:20 The mural festival Josh has been working on behind the scenes 1:29:30 The new Dune movie and dumb design choices in TV shows 1:39:12 discovering the true identity of Bigfoot! Check out Josh's website on Black Friday for new merch! www.joshualawyer.com

Oops pow surprise! We are back with a new episode without waiting 3 months. In this one we talk about: The "Couch Guy" on TikTok Getting your foot in the door Staying true to your art vs. going the safe route Lacking 'imposter syndrome' and the hierarchy of needs Which animal would you want to be reincarnated as? The "Take The Money And Run" art stunt How NFTs can help combat art world BS

It's a mini-ish episode! ...? In this one, Josh and Sergio talk about The appropriateness of hugs in this day and age Sergio's Sonoma Plein Air success The pros and cons of being self-taught Learning how to learn The secret to selling more art? Sergio's upcoming online workshop: https://etchrstudio.com/products/sergio-lopez-miniworkshop-september-17

Scott W. Prior comes back to the show to talk about: Dealing with weird people while doing plein air The difficulties of painting a mosh pit Finding cool spots to paint Josh explains why NFTs are important Scott's history of dealing with galleries Selling the Golden Gate Bridge painting Bartering with and trading for paintings Getting old and dealing with injuries Picking the theme music for driving off the Grand Canyon! Come check out Scott and Sergio's work for #sonomapleinair on Saturday the 11th at Sonoma Square! If you do the #scottwpriorchallenge (listen to the very end), film it and tag us! ;)

And we're back! In this episode:  Sergio recaps his month in Colorado and Idaho Why California is the best state, Why Josh doesn't care for flags A Florida Man who thought Josh couldn't speak English Doing a mural in the Florida summer The logistics of flying to do a mural Good and bad zoos and aquariums Sergio wanting to go deeper into teaching Josh's @paintguide takeover How watching TikTok before bed may cause plane crashes. Sergio's free live Youtube demo registration: https://youtu.be/0236RgNi92k

We're back! Didja miss us? That's ok, we don't care either, we're PC's! In this episode, we talk about what we've been up to over the past couple of months, the concept of acquiring taste, people hating the artist "fnnch" for the wrong reasons, bad advice flying around on Facebook groups, and presenting art as entertainment on social media. Sergio's new webpage: www.sergiolopezfineart.com The Mural Project: https://www.instagram.com/the.mural.project/

Sergio and Josh talk about the two types of deaths (00:08:26), how dreams abstracting reality parallels art (00:17:27), everyone having a line between good and bad art (00:28:18), what bothers them the most about the “Subway Sketcher” (00:40:42), answer a couple of listener questions including if they would ever do sculpture (00:51:35), how a student should handle a professor making racially insensitive art (00:59:51), if cats know what color they are (01:09:28), and more. They discuss intent vs interpretation further (01:15:09), the show “Wanda Vision” (01:28:10), and Josh shares the most terrifying thing that he’s ever done, and it was just recent!  Catch Sergio’s gouache course launch party for free by signing up here: https://bit.ly/GouachePartyForm

In this episode:  Sergio’s half-assed history lesson of the Salton Sea The unfriendliness of Julian California Why Josh’s recent mural project fell through Why it’s hard for Josh to make a hat What are NFTs and how they can transform the world of selling art digitally A Banksy piece getting caught up in the hype Josh getting into a tiff with the viral fake subway-sketcher guy MJ’s white-guy-face-blindness Props to Blake Neubert’s new painting series   Sergio’s new gouache course: http://bit.ly/GouachePaintingMadeEasy

Sergio wonders if art viewers interpreting the intent of the artist in a different way that the artist intended annoys other people, and Josh has ideas about when people think all art is good.    Sergio’s online gouache course Josh’s merch store

Josh and Sergio ramble about the Super Bowl, Sergio gives an update on the gouache course and a sketch box he built, and they discuss a Youtube video they watched about business for artists. They talk about what they got out of the video such as how your personality relates to your natural salesmanship, limiting beliefs around making money, being a “sell-out,” learning pricing from selling merch, and competing with dead artists for market share. We end by discussing how “art means what you want it to mean” is a cop-out. Book on sales that Josh recommended (Link)

On this week's minisode, we talk about ideas and executing them! We talk about how ideas are curated, listed, and how commissions affect ideas positively and negatively! Vanessa's IG: @compassroseartistry @bloomreportmacro @abitsaucypodcast

Vanessa Walsh joins Josh and Sergio to talk about Avatar: The Last Airbender, the dark side of Tiktok, objectivity vs subjectivity in art, plans on living with Sergio in Colorado for a month, painting from life vs photos, and so much more! Vanessa's IG: @compassroseartistry @bloomreportmacro @abitsaucypodcast Josh's new IG: @losthome_apparel Sign up for Sergio's new gouache course: https://bit.ly/GouachePaintingEasy  

In this special MF Doom tribute, Josh and Sergio create alter-egos! We decide on what we would paint under our pseudonyms, and Josh gets VERY excited about the possibilities for Sergio’s ideas. Make sure to let Sergio know he needs to bring Lazerblade to life!

We start the 2021 year of Our Lord by talking about the Capitol Hill takeover, fixing the keyboard layout (26:10), the concept of “stealing your base,”(41:07) Milo Hartnoll calling out Devon Rodriguez for his staged Tiktok videos and Guiseppe Celi, the passing of MF Doom and what he meant to us, and the mysterious Cookie Monster mural. Cover art credit: Nate Van Dyke

Josh and Sergio talk about the art world’s obsession with originality, recap their Christmas celebrations, Josh explains why he hates getting gifts, the aftermath of creating merch, and more. We then play the 2020 cliche game, where the winner is the person who used the most cliches! Who used the most cliche phrases, or the most cliche activities? We also find out what pop culture references are now 20 years old! It’s our most Buzzfeediest episode yet! We finish up by talking about our 2021 plans and Josh’s future business ventures. It’s a low key vibe thang y’all.

Sergio asks Josh all about his process for rolling out merch! Josh breaks down how much he spent, how he would sell the prints differently, the companies he used and the advantages of printing local, the reasons for selling merch beyond monetary gain, the importance of ordering the right sizes for apparel, and more. If you’re about to make your own merch, or even thinking about it, make sure to listen to this episode first! www.joshualawyer.com/shop

We start off by talking about how to not do soul-sucking commissions and Josh asks Sergio a potentially friendship-ending question (17:40) before we get into what everyone is here to listen for: the recent video featuring Josh and MJ’s art without their permission! (20:00) Josh talks about why he deleted the story on his IG where he first announced this(38.37), what the response was to the video takedown by the offender, and why they were against the mural in the first place! They also talk about the Stone Sparrow Gallery show (1:07:10) and the new direction that MJ wants to go with her next body of work. Sergio talks about where he is at with putting together his gouache course (1:28:40) before we talk about the TV shows The Mandalorian, Fargo season 4, and Kingdom. We end with MJ talking about some interesting payment innovations in the gallery world. Get some merch from Josh at www.joshualawyer.com/shop!   instagram.com/mjlindo instagram.com/stonesparrownyc

Our first guest in the quarantine! Fan favorite Monty Guy talks to us about life in the Arizona desert, lack of motivation, The Chappelle Show being sold to Netflix, the cost of living, flags and borders, the deterioration of the Bay Area, embracing the outlaw, thoughts on the gallery role in the future, haggling and discounts(Josh gives a hot tip!), and a whole lot more.  www.instagram.com/montyguy

On today's mini episode, we discuss the pros and cons of the pursuit of perfectionism at the expense of profitability. We also discuss the existence of squid people in our government. Josh's exhibition "Object In Motion" LINK Apply to beta-test Sergio's landscape painting course

Sergio is joining the faculty at Sentient Academy! We talk about how teaching can be thought of like an artist, why artists shouldn't self-deprecate, Josh's feelings about his work after finishing the paintings for the Stone Sparrow Gallery show, scientists splicing human genes into monkey brains, the pressure of the first page of the sketchbook, and more. Is Josh an optimistic nihilist? Would any artist be invited to the locker room if their favorite team won the Super Bowl? Is art fame the best kind of fame? All these questions answered on this week's episode of Waiting To Dry!

We answer the listener question, F--- Marry Kill: Van Gogh, Picasso, and Pollack! It morphs into Pollack, Koons, and Hirst. We also discuss an article about the muralist Nychos getting a mural in Glendale taken down, and the stupid reasons that a mural can be taken away from the public space. We touch on the aftermath of the attempt to get Josh’s Roseland mural taken down, and the consequences of cancel-culture on art. A classic WTD Rant Corner! Look out for Josh and MJ’s show later this month at Stone Sparrow Gallery in New York City!

Sergio talks about his course and being in teaching-mode and how that affects his painting. Josh talks about nearing the finish line of the work for his upcoming show in November. We answer a ton of your listener questions this week too!  Some of the questions answered: (23:35) Do you make 5-year plans or just go with the flow? (38:42) Do birds have fun? (45:43) What’s a subject matter you dislike painting? (51:05) What is most fun in your process? (1:03:15) Is there a reason to what seems like you solely using women as subjects in your work? (1:18:05) Do you have favorite easy foods to make while painting? (1:27:48) Having this platform, do you ever worry about getting canceled in this cancel-culture world? (1:37:20) Why doesn’t Josh start his own pencil company and make millions? (1:43:11) Do you ever have the urge to put all of your creative energy into one style or body of work? (1:51:12) How did you realize that you can make a living off of your art? How did you start? (2:03:00) How do you stay motivated while doing the busy work admin part of being an artist?  We also rip on the documentary, “The Price Of Everything” and praise Jeffrey Catherine Jones’s documentary “Better Things.” Sign up for any of Sergio’s three workshops at www.themainloop.com!

We talk about drama surrounding Sergio and Vanessa’s food podcast A Bit Saucy and how painting is like making grilled cheeses, handling useless feedback, hating flies, avoiding comfort and boredom in your work, working through bad ideas, mural ideas vs. canvas ideas, and we revisit The Rock’s performance in the 2001 classic, The Mummy Returns! Check out Sergio’s upcoming workshops at https://bit.ly/AOC2020Sergio, or sign up to beta-test his course at www.themainloop.com!

On this week’s episode we discuss artists who feel entitled to a foot in the door, versus artists who have the confidence to create their own opportunities. What about false confidence, or losing confidence as you gain skills? Also what’s the difference between Wayne Thiebaud and Tim Tebow? Is there one? All this and more! Rate and review us on Apple Podcasts if you got a minute.

Sergio recaps his experience doing the STRADA Easel 30-day painting challenge. Josh recaps being MJ’s mural assistant for the month of September. We discuss evolving for speed and efficiency vs falling back on what works, the Pow Wow Art Festival in Lancaster, problem solving on a wall vs pre-planning, needing room to grow narrative skills, hanging out with other artists, Wide Open Walls in Sacramento, knowing the worth of your name, dealing with the environment while muralling, people having opinions on your mural to your face, painting fruit, applying for opportunities, and a few thoughts on comfort. Check out Sergio’s new painting for the Supersonic Art Show at www.spoke-art.com, and apply for his beta course at https://bit.ly/ECRMethodBetaTestApplication. 

Do some artists fall back on their technical skills to ignore the necessary marketing and sales work in their goal of making it? That’s what we tackle on this week’s minisode! Some actual tips and tricks tucked away in this episode(don't say we never helped ya) so if you're beginning your art career, this is one you want to check out!

Sergio recaps his birthday trip to Tahoe with Vanessa, and what he learns by painting in plein air so much, Josh talks about some of the meaning behind his latest painting, the documentary “Last Chance U” and the danger of too much praise, making them hits vs. just practicing, finding the “game within the game” to keep painting interesting, painting urban landscapes, and why Cardi B should have a Pulitzer Prize.

Josh and Sergio discuss composition! How they think about it, how they tackle it, the difference for Sergio between composing a landscape and figurative piece, what makes a bad composition, and if shrooms can help you compose better!

Sergio recaps his Oregon travels with Vanessa, Josh amends his “rich people like shiny stuff” theory, painting under a pseudonym(or a cinnamon), if mental issues help with creating good art or successful artists, if artists should big-up themselves more, the art world needing better ambassadors(and why David Choe ain’t it), we rate a bunch of art memes, and end with a discussion around juggling time per piece vs. cost in order to make a living as an artist, and if The Triplets Of Belleville is a good movie. Find us on Youtube to see all the art memes we talked about on today’s episode. https://www.youtube.com/WaitingToDryPodcast/

Waiting To Dry Mini Episode 9: Fear Vs. Courage This week's topic is about success consciousness vs. failure consciousness. Rate and review us on Apple Podcasts! Knock that one-star review down!

Waiting To Dry Art Podcast #104 "...While The World Is Burning??" We talk about Josh attracting conspiracy theorists, Craigslist, Sergio's upcoming Oregon trip, Josh's problem with the recently posted art meme, Sergio’s recent trip to Arby’s, vague-cast about recent artist drama being aired out on Instagram, which leads to a discussion around student-teacher relationships. Rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, knock that one-star review down!

Back at it again after a month-long hiatus! Had some internal stuff to work out but we’re goin’ strong again. We talk about learning how to camp, Josh’s financials post-day-job, stretching, doing art competitions for advertisement purposes, Younggripper on Tiktok, podcasts that Sergio listens to, David Lynch, @jasknightart vs Arcadia Contemporary, a very cutting-edge piece of performance art that we were pointed to on Instagram, and we figure out how to be the next Jeremy Mann! Buy some art from Josh at www.joshualawyer.com/shop.

It's the Waiting To Dry drinking game part 2! Sergio and Vanessa do their own version of the "Beach Too Sandy, Water Too Wet" podcast and read bad reviews of art museums. We also drink every time someone mentions kids, bathrooms, the price of the museum, false expectations for the museum, or complains about the point of the museum. Go make your favorite drink and play along! Article where we got the bad reviews from:  https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/67897/15-hilariously-terrible-reviews-wonderful-museums

Josh and Sergio are back in the house! Josh talks his experience with painting murals in Portland, his problem with Blackout Tuesday, the need for a real leader in this era, Thinkspace versus Colin Chillag and the resulting fallout, Nicolas Uribe versus companies who make "flesh tone" paint, and more. Josh talks about Sergio's magazines he shared in the last episode and they discuss self-censorship, we respond to a listener question about if "remakes" are allowed in the art world, finding treasure in Yellowstone, looking for solutions, more thoughts on the Colin-Thinkspace controversy, comedians acting and more.

#101 Tony Guaraldi Brown, Vanessa Walsh "Good Job Keep Going" While Josh is up in Portland working on a mural with MJ, Sergio and Vanessa do a show with their good friend Tony Guaraldi Brown! They talk about how Tony’s name is constantly butchered, the local scene holding up through quarantine, extol the virtues of gouache, wonder if James Gurney is spawning a master-race of artists, Hokusai’s tasty waves, and more. They each brought in oid artwork and then analyze how they have evolved as artists and what has been a constant from then to now. Tony brings in work from the last two decades, and Vanessa brings in a drawing she made when she was 16. Sergio blows everyone’s mind by bringing in zines he made when he was 9 and 12, and we get deep into his childhood nerdom! They discuss how much story to share in an image, what you can do vs what you want to do, and much more. Find Tony at www.tgbart.com and Vanessa at compassroseartistry.com.   Referenced: James Gurney @gurneyjourney Lauren Urlacher https://www.laurenurlacher.com/ Hokusai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-six_Views_of_Mount_Fuji Sergio’s Soundclound link: https://soundcloud.com/main-loop

It’s episode 100! Josh reveals some life-and-career-changing news! How much time will Sergio do to protect Josh’s criminal enterprise? How come celebrities have no talent? These questions and more from the listeners are answered! Flea vs. the ShamWow guy! Peepee River vs PooPoo mountain! We talk about sharing works-in-progress on Instagram, and end by clarifying our position on the #artistsupportpledge movement. Don't fail trying to be nice, everybody! Sergio's Paint Drips: CLICK HERE

Waiting To Dry Podcast Episode 99 - Still 'Teenin In this episode we talk about art as a way of enhancing your living space, discovering gimmicky artists on Instagram, rant against #artistsupportpledge, reconnecting with your goals during quarantine, exploring watercolor and gouache, fear and risk versus reward in painting, pricing according to surface, art that deals with the quarantine, COVID memes, Carole Baskin, true crime documentaries, and Sergio and Vanessa making it onto @influencersinthewild!

Joshua Lawyer and Mj Lindo Lawyer play a drinking game where they try to have a conversation without talking about the current pandemic... They get really drunk. tune in to listen to them talk about a show they are working on, different ways they tackle story, figuring out how to judge the public while staying indoors, and a the recent murder of their neighbor! the listen to Mj's attempt to catch up on a long list of movies with the goal to understand more pop culture references.  

For the quarantine, we decided to do something different: we are each hosting an episode with our significant others! First up is Sergio co-hosting with Vanessa Walsh. They talk about Vanessa moving into Sergio’s studio, Sergio working on his plein air painting course, someone causing drama with Sergio at Vanessa’s art show, their new restaurant review podcast, the impact of the quarantine on the art world, Heather Martin’s Art Refuge Facebook group, and perform WTD Audio Theatre! So much more discussed on this episode. Subscribe, rate and review where you find your podcasts.   Vanessa’s Instagrams: @compassroseartistry @bloomreportmacro @abitsaucypodcast

In this episode, we can't escape talking about that stupid virus, we get into Sergio's "Bad Curator" topic(which cliche art show you would you rather participate in?), what we are working on with our forced time off, the why's of painting a burger, and hate on pandemic hoarders. This episode is sponsored by Artwork Archive! Get 20% off by going to www.artworkarchive.com/waiting.

We meet with Carl Dobsky at BACAA in San Carlos to talk about he started teaching, his connection to Massive Black, bridging the gap between cast drawing and concept art, and we dive deep into narrative! Josh and Carl compare their approaches to building narrative, Carl talks about his path to learning about visual storytelling, depicting action to tell the story, and “implied resolution.” We had a lot of fun in Sergio’s Question Corner! Look out for his 3-person show with Shawn Barber and Coro coming June 13th to Maxwell Alexander Gallery in LA.   Get 20% off of Artwork Archive by going to www.artworkarchive.com/waiting.

Today’s mini-episode topics include archivalness, what we would do with 400 years to live, if we would paint our significant other as they were on their deathbed, and hating on copycats. This episode is sponsored by Artwork Archive! Get 20% off by going to www.artworkarchive.com/waiting.

The bad boyz of art podcasting are back! We talk about why most art podcasts are bad, Sergio talks about his San Diego trip and the horror of party brunches, cooking as a metaphor for art, Josh’s art party from Saturday, clarifying Sergio’s work ethic, Josh’s art trade show idea, being turned off by style in art, Josh’s heroics, answer a listener question about mural pricing, Josh’s altercation with a tweaker, and more.  Check out Sergio’s new painting at Modern Eden Gallery March 7th 2020.  Get 20% off of Artwork Archive by going to www.artworkarchive.com/waiting.

In today’s mini-episode, we discuss Kobe Bryant’s work ethic and whether it applies to artists, answer a question about gear weight while traveling for plein air, artists capitalizing on celebrity deaths, Ludacris’s All Star Game sweater, and another rant on Jim Carrey being a terrible artist. Find us on iTunes, and rate us review us or hate us!

The boys from Waiting To Dry host the 2nd Annual Wacademy Awards! Josh add Sergio hand out praise and rants like so many Woscars! Along with the best movies, performances, and directors, they also award their guilty pleasures, comedies, superhero movies, TV shows and worst movies of 2019! We end with a discussion about if actors and actresses should have separate award categories and sound hella woke! Please give us a rating or let us know what your favorite movies of 2019 were!

We talk to Kamille Corry after her workshop at BACAA in San Carlos, CA. She talks about her one-way ticket to Florence to study, the difference between university and atelier learning, her desire to sculpt and go back to Italy, her role in the Utah art scene, learning to sell artwork on her own, studying Islamic design, what she wants her art to sound like, and wraps up by going through Sergio’s Question Corner! Check out the end of the episode if you are interested in studying with Kamille! @KamilleCorry Instagram

MJ Lindo-Lawyer joins us on the mini-episode and asks us about our childhood celebrity crushes(really just an excuse to out Josh’s childhood crush). She also asks us if we could create a quality art show with bad materials. We talk about our painting process a bit and discuss painting backgrounds. We end with a rant against political art, and generic local art. Catch MJ on Instagram at @mjlindo.

MJ Lindo-Lawyer joins the show today and we talk about trying to get popular in 2020, back pain, MJ and Josh making steps toward becoming full-time artists and how they handle problems differently, and more. Can math prove art is good or bad? Is there math in storytelling? We then switch gears and talk about recent movies and TV shows we watched. We discuss “Mid 90’s,” “Jojo Rabbit,” Oscar nominees, and why “Fargo” might be the best TV show ever. MJ discusses “Don’t F With Cats(spoiler alert!)”, and asks which 3 movies impacted our childhood the most! Josh finds out how Forrest Gump affected his art! We end with MJ asking which TV show impacted our childhood the most! Let us know yours! Find MJ on Instagram at @mjlindo.

We kick off this mini-episode by talking about the infamous new sound clip. The topic discussed this week is criticism: Is it a skill to take it? How were we when we first started getting critiqued? What is good and bad criticism? We answer the question of what artist from history would we like to see depict the modern world. We talk about how Josh hates getting gifts from Amazon, and other Christmas-related things way too long after the holidays! Merr’ Crimmuh everyone!

For the last show of the year, we talk about NYE plans, how artists are remembered after death, improving as an artist while being famous, matte finishes, and more. Sergio presents the list of his top 10 paintings of 2019 with his reasons why he chose them. We then discuss the article titled, “The Unfair Truth About How Creative People Succeed” and Josh goes off on ‘gatekeepers.’ We finish off by listing the top ten most downloaded episodes of 2019. Josh shares a little behind-the-scenes story about driving Nate Van Dyke home, and we finish with Josh learning about a very special sound clip! Paintings from Sergio's 2019 Top Ten (click on the links to follow along) Jose Luis Cena  Colleen Barry  Quang Ho Zoey Frank Stephen Early  Jeff Hein  Soey Milk  James Jean  Mia Bergeron  Jacob Aguiar 

It’s Mini Episode 2! For our deep-dive topic, we discuss naivete and the illusion of predicted success as an art career, we answer the question about how we would like to be remembered 100 years from now, Sergio asks Josh to describe the 10 hot-seat artists to people who don’t know artist names, and more! Want to ask us a question or suggest a deep-dive topic? Email us at joshandsergio@waitingtodry.com! (or podcastaboutart@gmail.com)