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This week Ryan O’Donnell join us on the show to discuss how to automate your email selling. Ryan is the Co-Founder & CEO of two tech platforms used by thousands of companies for generating a consistent sales pipeline. SellHack is a Chrome browser extension to build targeted prospect lists and Replyify automatically sends out your […]
“Every salesperson can benefit from making their outreach efforts more focused and efficient. Whether that entails building client lists or focusing on automation, today's episode will give you the information you need to improve your sales outreach.” Episode Overview In this episode, Bruce Scheer talks to Ryan O'Donnell about the value of building a focused client outreach system. Ryan is the co-founder of Replyify and SellHack, two services designed to help sellers automate their outreach process. Since 2006, Ryan has worked in software solutions for salespeople with a focus on optimizing sales processes and improving efficiency. Optimizing Your Outreach Approach for Better Sales Nearly all of us have wondered what we can do to make our outreach process more successful. After all, outreach is fundamental to a salesperson's professional life, yet turning outreach into sales can sometimes feel like a confusing puzzle. Many salespeople run into inefficiencies in their sales outreach methods at the “top of the funnel of sales.” Essentially, salespeople sometimes begin the outreach process with an overly broad view of the clients they intend to target. As a result of this broad perspective, salespeople hinder their ability to reproduce sales success by putting themselves in the position of needing many different strategies for too many client types. What can you do to make your outreach process more effective? For Ryan O'Donnell, the critical flaw of the broad “funnel” can be corrected by focusing your outreach on clients who are similar to the clients you already have. What are some of the critical ingredients of outreach? Successful client outreach requires the following three components: The Right Focus The chance of a future sale from your outreach efforts will depend on how well you know your customer base. Ryan O'Donnell argues that salespeople must identify the metadata behind their existing clients to effectively focus their outreach efforts on similar clients. The Right Messaging Learning to customize your sales messages to match the different roles in a company or target the right people is an essential skill. Messaging relies on understanding your existing or potential client's psychological motivators, which can vary from person to person. The Right Systems Many salespeople spend too much time on functions that could be automated. Without an efficient system, you will spend time on things like reply emails when you should spend more time preparing for meetings, developing relationships with your existing clients, and so on. Let's take a look at each of these components in more depth! What can you do to establish the right focus for your outreach efforts? Ryan O'Donnell says there are two significant steps for focusing your outreach. Build an Existing Clients List First, you should create a spreadsheet containing information about 10 to 20 of your existing clients. To acquire that information, you can use websites such as LinkedIn. The spreadsheet should include the following details: First and last name Title Company Company Size Industry Location Keywords Groups they are part of Once you have put together a list of these details, you can use the functions of the spreadsheet to filter your existing clients and look for patterns. These patterns will help you find the types of clients you need to approach as part of your outreach strategy. To put it another way, you can use the spreadsheet to identify the segment of people who make up a considerable percentage of your overall revenue. Build a Potential Clients List Once you have identified the types of clients to focus on, you should search LinkedIn for people and companies that fit that focus. Create a list of potential clients based on your findings and use the same spreadsheet format as your existing clients list. Once you have done so, you can begin to find patterns among potential clients, which can open new ways to find new clients. There are two approaches to building a potential client list: 1. Account-Based Sales Approach Using a list of companies that you target and sell to in order to find the best buyers at those companies for your outreach efforts. 2. Person-Based ApproachFinding details that describe a person so you can identify the right types of buyers for your sales strategy. In both cases, a LinkedIn search and spreadsheet format will help you find more people and companies to approach. More importantly, establishing a clear focus will increase your sales success because your sales and outreach strategy will be based on an existing track record with a particular clientele. When analyzing your potential clients, consider these questions: What product or service are they selling? On what types of clients do they focus? Does their advertising give you a sense of how they are targeting their clients? Answering these questions can lead to a better understanding of who your clients are, what will matter to them in a sales situation, and how you can adjust your outreach method to connect with their motivations and needs. How do you create the right messaging? The key to crafting the right messaging is to customize your message for the different roles that exist within a company. You should target each person on your client list differently because they each have different needs and expectations. To put it another way, each has different psychological motivators. They might be: Motivated by data Motivated by social interaction Motivated by price According to Ryan O'Donnell, introductory messages should avoid long formats and beg mail and focus on creating value at every touchpoint. Short, easy-to-digest messages present a clear call to action and can link to longer content the client can read if properly enticed. You can create value in your introductory and reply messages by Summarizing and restating Offering a different point of view Offering something new for a client to think about in terms of their business needs or personal motivations One way to do this is to put yourself in your buyer's shoes while thinking about the last time you received a cold email. How did you react to the content? Did the length impact how you received the information? Another thing you can do is approach your existing clients to gain direct feedback. Determine why they bought from you in the first place and why they continue to work with you or your company. Acquiring feedback on these topics will help you identify the strategies you need to provide targeted messaging meant for people and companies with different psychological motivators and personalities. Using these data points to construct new messages will also increase your response rate to cold emails. How can you start developing a system? Effectively, you need to automate what can be automated to reduce the amount of time you spend on things that are time-consuming and less unnecessary. According to Ryan O'Donnell, the absence of automation in your sales system can waste 2-5 hours a week on unnecessary tasks. Automating more of your sales system leads to higher efficiency and can include automating cold and reply emails, sales prospecting, and client list building, among others. There are numerous tools you can use to automate your sales system. SellHack, for example, can help you build client lists, find leads, and send cold emails. Additionally, Replyify can help you create email campaigns and devise an efficient email system. If you want to learn more about how to develop your sales system, consider contacting Ryan O'Donnell about the services that he has to offer (see below). Key Takeaways: Focus your outreach efforts by using a spreadsheet to build a list of existing and potential clients. A client list can help you identify patterns in the interests and needs of your current clients, which you can use to find potential clients to approach. Such a focus will make your outreach efforts more effective. Understand that a variety of factors motivates your clients. Your introductory messages have to take into account these differences to have the desired impact on potential clients. One way to work on creating the right messaging is to put yourself in the shoes of your buyers. Learn to automate your process to reduce the amount of time you spend on emails, sales prospecting, and other functions that are less necessary. Automation can cut back the hours you waste every week so you can use those hours for more productive activities such as preparing meetings. Resources: Ryan's Links: Connect Ryan O'Donnell on LinkedIn Visit Ryan's company at Replyify.com Learn more from Ryan at his blog Check out Ryan's free 7-day Email Crash Course For More Great Content Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review this show on Apple Podcasts. Here's a cool short video that shows you how to do this. Your feedback is greatly appreciated and will help me promote the show to others who will benefit from the insights provided by my guests. Credits Audio Editing and Production by ChirpSound Show Notes and Additional Writing by Shaun Duke from The Duke of Editing
Today's interview is with Ryan O’Donnell. Ryan is the Co-Founder/CEO of two tech platforms used by thousands of companies, both large and small, for generating a consistent sales pipeline. SellHack is a Chrome browser extension to build targeted prospect lists and Replyify automatically sends out your cold emails so you’ll never forget to follow-up again.He is a growth marketer obsessed with helping sales professionals and business owners sell like a robot while still sounding like a human. Ryan implements the software platforms he’s built to consistently generate over $1M in revenue.After a quick stint on Wall St. where he cut his teeth making 500 calls a day as a broker, Ryan saw the opportunity in technology and has been building Internet businesses for the last 10 years. He is the former CEO of Sociagram and a Yahoo alum after a $680 million dollar acquisition of Right Media. We discuss:His entrepreneurship backgroundThe psychology behind sales emailsWhat he learned about himself from working abroadHow to stop sending annoying cold emailsResources Mentioned In The EpisodeSellHack: http://sellhack.comReplyify: http://replyify.com/ See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Ryan O'Donnell is a midwest kid who moved to NYC after college and landed a job on Wall Street making 500 calls a day. He hated it, followed a passion for tech, and ended up joining a company early that eventually sold to Yahoo for $850M. He grew a business unit from $0 - $20M and left Yahoo to startup. Fast forward 3 meandering years trying to generate sales and Ryan decided to build a product to speed up the time to revenue for any business selling a product or service B2B called Sellhack. He’s successfully running this company today, helping his clients get in front of the right prospects faster and with a better close rate than they’d been doing on their own. He’s a father of 3, husband, and hobbyist prepper, and he’s in relentless pursuit of scratch golf. What you’ll learn about in this episode: Why sales is all about automation and efficiency Using data to take the guesswork out of the prospect search Crafting compelling emails to prospects based on what you know about their competition (that you already work with) Figuring out how many prospects you need to capture every week at the top of your sales funnel in order to get the number of new leads you need at the bottom of the funnel SellHack’s algorithm for verifying the email address of a person who you might just know their name and company Replyify: a tool specifically devised for sending out cold email campaigns and building a sales process to contact prospects in other ways Strategies for crafting an email that works for cold selling B2B products and services How and when to ask to schedule time with a prospect Tiering your offerings and basing communication with prospects based on the tier Using the ideas from this podcast not only inside your agency, but also with your clients Ways to contact Ryan O'Donnell: Email: ryan@sellhack.com (email Ryan for the special offers) We’re proud to announce that Hubspot is now the presenting sponsor of the Build A Better Agency podcast! Many thanks to them for their support!
Get ready for this great conversation around the topic of email prospecting. There comes a time when you have to do some sort of cold outreach. Ryan O’Donnell joins us to give us an interesting view of using email to prospect. He actually used his method to get on this podcast, so I can honestly say it works! Ryan is Co-Founder/CEO ?of two tech platforms used by thousands of companies, both large and small, for generating a consistent sales pipeline. SellHack is a Chrome browser extension to build targeted prospect lists and Replyify automatically sends out your cold emails so you’ll never forget to follow-up again. He is a growth marketer obsessed with helping sales professionals and business owners sell like a robot while still sounding like a human. Ryan implements the software platforms he’s built to consistently generate over $1M in revenue. Today's show is sponsored by Audible.com. Audible.com is a leading provider of spoken audio entertainment and information. Listen to audiobooks whenever and wherever you want. Get a free book when you sign up for a 30-day free trial at audibletrial.com/businessgrowth.
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Ryan O'Donnell, the co-founder and CEO of SellHack and Replyify, joins Smart Companies Thinking Bigger host Kelly Scanlon to explain how to save time and sell more using an automated process for your company's outbound email. O'Donnell is a growth marketer who works with sales professionals and business owners to help them "sell like a robot while still sounding like a human." After a brief stint as a Wall Street broker, where he strived to make 500 calls a day, O'Donnell saw the potential to use technology to reach more prospects, faster. Be sure to listen to the complete lineup of Smart Companies Thinking Bigger episodes in the archives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Aseem Badshah. He’s the founder and CEO of the company called Socedo. Before that, he built his own full-service marketing agency called Uptown Treehouse that leveraged social media and digital channels to reach current and potential customers. He’s upgraded and improved that initial business model with his current company, Socedo. Famous Five: Favorite Book? – Crushing the Cashman What CEO do you follow? – Favorite online tool? — Do you get 8 hours of sleep?— If you could let your 20-year old self, know one thing, what would it be? – Aseem wished that he would have prioritized building relationships Time Stamped Show Notes: 01:15 – Nathan introduces Aseem to the show 01:50 – Aseem noticed that there was so much data on prospects for B2B marketers in an agency 02:07 – Socedo’s goal 02:13 – Lead generation is what Socedo uses to get more customers 02:45 – Socedo provides behavioral data 02:56 – Socedo makes money from their software license 03:03 – Clients sign-up from 6 months to 1 year of license usage 03:11 – Average pay the company gives to Socedo monthly 03:25 – Socedo started in 2013 03:37 – In social media marketing, everything was setup for B2C marketers 04:25 – Social media is like a big CRM so Aseem leveraged it in a way to help B2B marketers 04:45 – There are 200 paying customers 04:50 – Socedo has raised $1.5M 05:00 – Socedo’s revenue has tripled in 2016 05:10 – Average contract price 05:25 – Socedo started with SMB 05:50 – 2016 total revenue 06:05 – Socedo has 25 people 06:20 – 2017 goal 06:30 – Aseem is targeting 2x for 2017 06:41 – Aseem wants to focus on their current customers 07:17 – “It’s not necessarily about growth at all costs; we want to focus on the fundamentals, focus on the relationship with customers” 07:35 – All 25 members are in Seattle 07:53 – The round was an equity round 08:32 – Socedo is currently cash flow positive 08:50 – Socedo is willing to take in new capital if they are ready 09:11 – Socedo has almost broken even 09:23 – How Socedo drives new customers 09:37 – Socedo doesn’t spend much money on marketing 10:30 – The data source which Aseem thinks is the most accurate 10:39 – “Everyone is accurate in their own way” 10:52 – How Socedo matches data 11:10 – Socedo’s goal is to get metrics as high as possible 11:31 – “We don’t guarantee an accuracy rate, but our accuracy rate is pretty high” 12:00 – The data sources that are connected to Socedo’s API are Full Contact, ClearBit and SellHack 12:34 – Socedo’s unique data advantage 13:30 – As a B2B marketer, there’s a bigger chance of a higher conversion rate 13:50 – Data sources that have the most accurate revenue numbers are Marketo and Salesforce 14:22 – Socedo doesn’t have the marketing budget for each lead 14:45 – Socedo has the company size which can be used as a revenue basis for each lead 15:15 – Gross customer churn 15:36 – CAC 15:45 – LTV 16:10 – The Famous Five 3 Key Points: Social media is a big CRM that can be leveraged to build a better marketing space for B2B businesses. Focusing on fundamentals and customer relationships can be more advantageous than focusing on just growth. Each data source out there is accurate in their own way. Resources Mentioned: Acuity Scheduling – Nathan uses Acuity to schedule his podcast interviews and appointments Drip – Nathan uses Drip’s email automation platform and visual campaign builder to build his sales funnel Toptal – Nathan found his development team using Toptal for his new business Send Later. He was able to keep 100% equity and didn’t have to hire a co-founder due to the quality of Toptal Host Gator – The site Nathan uses to buy his domain names and hosting for the cheapest price possible. Audible – Nathan uses Audible when he’s driving from Austin to San Antonio (1.5-hour drive) to listen to audio books. The Top Inbox – The site Nathan uses to schedule emails to be sent later, set reminders in inbox, track opens, and follow-up with email sequences Jamf – Jamf helped Nathan keep his Macbook Air 11” secure even when he left it in the airplane’s back seat pocket Freshbooks – Nathan doesn’t waste time so he uses Freshbooks to send out invoices and collect his money. Get your free month NOW Show Notes provided by Mallard Creatives
Vandaag het gesprek met Peter O'Donoghue Peter is een expert in het ontwikkelen van outbound sales systemen om je te verbinden met moeilijk bereikbare beslissers in bedrijven die veel benaderd worden zonder koud bellen. In het kort, dit systeem zorgt voor jouw eerste afspraak met jouw doelklant op een professionele en op waarde gebaseerde manier die geen afwijzing of schade aan je merk veroorzaakt. Dit is een aflevering uit de voormalige Number One Coachbiz podcast die niet verloren mocht gaan. De aflevering is in het Engels. Veel plezier met het mooie gesprek met Peter. Episode 92 Show Notes Je kunt met hem verbinden via website Facebook Youtube LinkedIn Twitter peter.odonoghue@predictablepipeline.co.uk Opvallende uitspraken die ik mooi vind in het interview: I help people who have trouble starting conversations with high level business to business executives. I help a lot of coaches, consultants and also quite a lot of companies. I try to make people connect with senior decision makers. There a 2 ways to generate business. The dominate way is all about attraction. Things as Facebook ads. You are trying to make people come to you, inbound marketing. Outbound marketing is about proactive contact. You make the first form of contact, you are proactive. This is sometimes called cold marketing. My most used method is using cold mailing to create a bridge to engage someone. E-mail is a very easy method to start. It is easy to get someone's address. It also has features to reach a lot of people in a very short period of time. Found.ly , Sellhack.com and SalesLoft.com are ways to get new leads. These are great websites that you can use to convert prospects into qualified appointments In these outbound e-mails, we introduce our client and try to elicit a response. These are very short e-mails, 4-5 lines, we never pitch a product or a solution. We have a very relevant and short message. We want them to respond because then we can start a conversation. My biggest tip is value and advance. Try to make clear what your value for the person in question can be in the first conversation you have with that person. This value has nothing to do with whether they become a client or not. I call this the myth of consulting selling . Genoemde mensen: Kevin Nations http://kevinnations.com/blog/ Vergeet niet te abonneren op de Erno Hannink Show via iTunes, Stitcher of SoundCloud. Kun je mij een groot plezier doen zodat meer ondernemers deze podcast kunnen vinden? Geef deze podcast jouw eerlijke beoordeling en recensie. Dit helpt mij enorm om deze podcast te verspreiden. Dank je wel hiervoor. Stuur me een korte e-mail om mij te laten weten dat je dit gedaan hebt en ik stuur je een verrassing. Je kunt mij bereiken op podcast@ernohannink.nl Ik hoor graag van jou. Wil je weten hoe jij ook meer klanten krijgt met online? Hoe je met internet sneller jouw grootse doel bereikt? Vraag dan nu de Online Zichtbaar Analyse aan. Bedoeld voor ondernemers die in de B2B omgeving werken met grootse plannen. In een korte analyse snel zicht op wat je online wilt verbeteren voor meer resultaat.
In this episode we break down our talks with Casey Winters, Andrew Chen, Dmitry Dragilev and Ryan O'Donnell about what it was like to be a one person growth team and how they grew the teams at Grubhub, Pinterest, Zurb & SellHack. We talk about some of th Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Mike Belsito (@belsito) talks with Ryan O'Donnell about being a CEO focused on growth and how he prioritizes growth and growth experiments at his company. Ryan also has a special announcement for Rocketship.fm listeners so stay tuned! SPONSOR: Prezi Bus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The SaaS Podcast - SaaS, Startups, Growth Hacking & Entrepreneurship
Ryan O'Donnell is the co-founder of SellHack, an online platform for salespeople that helps them find targeted prospects, build email lists and verify email addresses. He started his career on Wall Street as a broker making 500 calls a day prospecting for new clients. He decided to follow his passion for tech and joined Right Media, which was later acquired by Yahoo. After spending 3 years at Yahoo, he left and began his startup journey. SellHack was founded in 2014 and is based in Cleveland, Ohio. The Show Notes SellHack Marco DiDomenico on Twitter Ryan on Twitter Omer on Twitter Enjoyed this episode? Subscribe to the podcast Leave a rating and review Follow Omer on Twitter Need help with your SaaS? Join SaaS Club Plus: our membership and community for new and early-stage SaaS founders. Join and get training & support. Join SaaS Club Launch: a 12-week group coaching program to help you get your SaaS from zero to your first $10K revenue. Apply for SaaS Club Accelerate: If you'd like to work directly with Omer 1:1, then request a free strategy session.
My guest today is Roddy Gibbs. Roddy is a writer, former business owner, and more recently a demand generator for Sellhack. As a kid who grew up in Pennsylvania, Roddy moved to San Diego in his early 20s and took an unconventional path to where he is today. On today’s episode Roddy tells me about the challenges he encountered while learning what his role was in business. We discuss his parents and their teachings of mindful meditation and how that has helped him through his life. At the age of 23 Roddy developed arthritis in his spine, it completely changed his life and strengthened his relationship with his family. We discuss how that affected his life and business and how his life view in general changed, Roddy is a prime example of there being many paths to success and today he tells me about his. Here are today’s points: What is a Demand Generation? How Mindful Stress Reduction came into Roddy’s life. Roddy’s time in San Diego and the lessons learned. Working for Thrillist. The development of spine arthritis and the process of coping with it. Working on The Mindful Way to Study. Working with Roddy’s dad. How to deal with negativity. Criticizing vs. Insulting Being a “Confident Generalist.” Roddy’s advice for newcomers. If you are interested in reaching out to Roddy Gibbs, you can email him at roddy@roddygibbs.com. Resources Mentioned Today: Roddy Gibbs Sellhack Thrillist Thinking Fast and Slow The Mindful Way to Study: Dancing with your Books Beyond Happiness: The Zen Way to True Contentment If you enjoyed listening to this podcast, don’t forget to leave review in iTunes, I’d appreciate that. To listen to other Sell Personal episodes visit www.sellpersonal.com/podcast.
My guest today is Roddy Gibbs. Roddy is a writer, former business owner, and more recently a demand generator for Sellhack. As a kid who grew up in Pennsylvania, Roddy moved to San Diego in his early 20s and took an unconventional path to where he is today. Since the time of our recording, Roddy has stepped into a new role as Product Marketing Manager for Total Loyalty Solutions, which designs custom mobile Apps for primarily restaurants. As you’ll see from the episode – this seems to be quite the fit. On today’s episode Roddy tells me about the challenges he encountered while learning what his role was in business. We discuss his parents and their teachings of mindful meditation and how that has helped him through his life. At the age of 23 Roddy developed arthritis in his spine, it completely changed his life and strengthened his relationship with his family. We discuss how that affected his life and business and how his life view in general changed, Roddy is a prime example of there being many paths to success and today he tells me about his. Here are today’s points: What is a Demand Generation? How Mindful Stress Reduction came into Roddy’s life. Roddy’s time in San Diego and the lessons learned. Working for Thrillist. The development of spine arthritis and the process of coping with it. Working on The Mindful Way to Study. Working with Roddy’s dad. How to deal with negativity. Criticizing vs. Insulting Being a “Confident Generalist.” Roddy’s advice for newcomers. If you are interested in reaching out to Roddy Gibbs, you can email him at roddy@roddygibbs.com. Resources Mentioned Today: Roddy Gibbs Sellhack Thrillist Thinking Fast and Slow The Mindful Way to Study: Dancing with your Books Beyond Happiness: The Zen Way to True Contentment If you enjoyed listening to this podcast, don’t forget to leave review in iTunes, I’d appreciate that. To listen to other Sell Personal episodes visit www.sellpersonal.com/podcast.
The SaaS Podcast - SaaS, Startups, Growth Hacking & Entrepreneurship
Ryan O'Donnell is the co-founder of SellHack, an online platform for salespeople that helps them find targeted prospects, build email lists and verify email addresses. He started his career on Wall Street as a broker making 500 calls a day prospecting for new clients. He decided to follow his passion for tech and joined Right Media, which was later acquired by Yahoo. After spending 3 years at Yahoo, he left and began his startup journey. SellHack was founded in 2014 and is based in Cleveland, Ohio.The Show NotesSellHackMarco DiDomenico on TwitterRyan on TwitterOmer on TwitterEnjoyed this episode?Subscribe to the podcastLeave a rating and reviewFollow Omer on TwitterNeed help with your SaaS?Join SaaS Club Plus: our membership and community for new and early-stage SaaS founders. Join and get training & support.Join SaaS Club Launch: a 12-week group coaching program to help you get your SaaS from zero to your first $10K revenue.Apply for SaaS Club Accelerate: If you'd like to work directly with Omer 1:1, then request a free strategy session.
When your top reps are closing deal after deal, their time becomes extremely valuable. They need to be talking with potential customers, not drudging through the weeds of prospecting. The secret is finding the optimal number of leads to reach out to each week or month, and then creating a repeatable prospecting process. This positions your team to operate at its highest efficiency. In this episode, Ryan O’Donnell, Founder of SellHack, explains the why, where, and how to creating a repeatable prospecting process. He also shares a great eBook on the best outbound sales strategies.
Ryan O'Donnell, co-founder of Sellhack, shares his tactics for setting up a pipeline of qualified sales prospects. He covers everything from building strong segments to developing an automated outreach strategy and moving leads through your funnel. Whethe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices