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In this episode, host Andrew Iden talks with Jacob Moon, a US Army veteran and former corrections officer who has transitioned into a true crime writer. Jacob shares his journey from serving in the military to accidentally finding a career in corrections, the challenges and dangers of working behind bars, and the importance of respect and restraint in dealing with inmates. He also discusses how his structured and disciplined background influenced his writing career and his latest book, 'Letter 26', which explores the mind of a serial killer. GET JACOB'S BOOKS: https://writerjake.com JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(PART 1/2) It's Deviant Summer School's deep dive into the world of homicide investigations. Featuring former Chicago homicide detective Mike Hammond, part one of of a two part exploration covers the initial phases of an investigation—from receiving the call and processing the crime scene to gathering critical evidence and interviewing witnesses. Learn about the meticulous steps detectives take within the crucial first few days and get a unique insight into the realities of solving homicides in one of America's busiest cities. MIKE'S SHOW AND INFO: https://www.detectivestory.net/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

From Ted Bundy to Gary Ridgeway, why does the Pacific Northwest produce so many serial killers? Join host Dan Szematowicz as he sits down with Pulitzer Prize winner Caroline Fraser, author of 'Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers,' to try and unravel this bizarre mystery. Caroline and Dan delve into theories, including the lead-crime hypothesis, geographical oddities and our societal obsession with serial killers. Also, they explore the fascinating and eerie connections between environment, crime, and our darker curiosities. GET CAROLINE'S BOOK HERE: https://www.carolinefraser.net/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join us as we kick off our new series, Deviant Summer School, where we bring experts to give in-depth insights into their fields. In this first episode, we talk to Dr. Darrin Porcher, a criminal justice expert with over 20 years in the NYPD. They explore the intricacies of policing in America, discussing geographical differences, crime statistics, the Broken Window Theory, and the daily challenges faced by officers and detectives. This episode provides a comprehensive overview of how policing functions and the critical issues it faces today. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Former FBI agent Jerri Williams shares her extensive career spent catching scammers, con artists, and fraudsters. Williams discusses her unexpected path to the FBI, the challenges she faced as a minority and a woman in the bureau, and her notable cases, including an intriguing credit extortion investigation. She also delves into her endeavors post-retirement, including her work as an author and prolific podcaster, and her collaborative efforts with Hollywood to bring authentic FBI stories to the screen. Join the fascinating conversation and learn about the real-life experiences behind the badge. FIND ALL THINGS JERRI HERE: https://jerriwilliams.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a quiet suburb of Utah, a Mormon man killed his wife, before committing suicide. Multiple neighbors described them as a normal couple whom they had never seen quarrel. But this isn't a whodunit. The police investigation never wavered on who committed the crime. The question is, why? Why did the lives of this seemingly normal couple end in such tragic fashion. Finding the answers will take us from Catholic Italian New Jersey to a very non-Mormon lifestyle in Los Angeles to a funeral in Florida. And we'll learn the answers from many woman, living around the country, all of whom felt like they were the victim's best friend. Check out My Best Friends Killer, wherever you get your podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The person sitting next to you on the plane may be armed, and that's not a bad thing. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz delves into the secretive world of Federal Air Marshals with David Londo, President of the Air Marshal National Council. David shares his journey from a local police officer to becoming an air marshal post-9/11 and provides insights into the rigorous selection and training process. They discuss the history of air marshals, the changes in roles post-9/11, and the chaos and challenges in air travel post-pandemic. David also shares a gripping story from 2005 about a scary incident handled by air marshals. Tune in to learn more about the unseen guardians of the skies and their crucial role in ensuring the safety of air travel. GET DAVID'S FILM HERE; https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0POSRZCGAQQIG1FIYK4XX8MM21/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join Deviant host Dan Szematowicz for a conversation with Dr. Leah Kaylor, a psychologist and sleep specialist at the FBI. Dr. Kaylor shares a wealth of practical tips to enhance your sleep quality, from establishing relaxing bedtime routines to understanding the impact of body temperature and exercise. Learn how she helps FBI agents and law enforcement staff cope with trauma and sleep disturbances. Discover innovative techniques like EMDR and Brainspotting for managing nightmares and PTSD. Plus, get a sneak peek into her upcoming book 'The Sleep Advantage.' This episode is a must if you're looking to improve your sleep and overall well-being. FIND OUT MORE ABOUT LEAH AND HER BOOK HERE: https://www.drleahkaylor.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On May 25, 2025, Grant Hardin, a convicted killer and former police chief, walks out of the North Central Unit in Calico Rock, Arkansas, disguised in a makeshift guard uniform. His escape sets off an intense manhunt involving the FBI, state police, and federal agencies. In this episode of DEVIANT, host Andrew Iden delves into Hardin's dark history, including the brutal 2017 murder of James Appleton and a cold case sexual assault from 1997. Expert insights from former prosecutor Nathan Smith and corrections consultant Michael Cantrell reveal the challenges law enforcement faces in capturing such a dangerous individual. After more than two weeks on the run, Hardin is found less than two miles from the prison he escaped, raising critical questions about the facility's security. Also, a look at the complexities of manhunts and the serious threats posed by escaped convicts like Hardin. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(AUDIO ONLY) Former police sergeant Patrick O'Donnell joins Deviant Off Script to discuss his 25-year career with the Milwaukee Police Department, his experiences during the crack wars and his transition to becoming a best-selling author. Patrick shares crazy stories from his time on the force, insights into his post-retirement life and his work helping writers accurately depict police procedures in their work. Patrick's also gives a taste of his new book, 'The Good Collar.' GET PATRICK'S LATEST BOOK: https://copsandwriters.com/book/the-good-collar/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Former journalist Michael Mayo recounts his experience covering the executions of two serial killers for the South Florida Sun Sentinel. Mayo details the emotional journey of interviewing victims' families, and witnessing the executions of Danny Rolling and Aileen Wuornos. He shares his perspective on the death penalty, describing the sterile and surreal atmosphere of the death chamber and reflects on the complex moral and ethical considerations surrounding capital punishment. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sex is an integral part of human nature, but it sometimes intersects with crime in troubling ways. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz sits down with Doug Fifer, a former Anchorage Police Department officer renowned for his work in hostage negotiation and sex crime investigation. Fifer discusses his new book, '50 Shades of True Crime,' which delves into the psychology of sex criminals and the nature of sexual deviancy. From hostage negotiation scenarios to serial killers, Doug shares gripping insights from his 25-year career. He also talks about the importance of law enforcement and offers advice on personal safety and understanding fetishes and paraphilias. GET DOUG'S BOOK: https://dougfifer.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Brian Townsend, a retired DEA agent, shares his journey into federal law enforcement, his experiences with drug enforcement, nd his views on the ongoing battle against drug addiction in the United States. From his early days in Missouri and Kansas to his extensive work with the DEA, Townsend discusses the complexities of the drug trade, the process of joining the DEA, and the importance of empathy in addressing addiction. Tune in to hear about his career highlights, including high-stakes raids, the evolution of methamphetamine and fentanyl trafficking controlled by cartels, and his current work in training, consulting, and public education on drug trends and prevention. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We get a lot of questions and a lot of comments, so in this episode, DEVIANT hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden tackles them all. How does DEVIANT get made? How do we choose stories? Do Andrew and Dan hate each other? Your questions and comments answered, and all will be revealed! JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(2/2) In part two of our conversation with retired FBI agent Scott Payne, host Andrew Iden continues his deep dive into Steve's years spent undercover in some of America's most dangerous circles. In part two, Scott delves into his experiences infiltrating white supremacist groups like the KKK and The Base. He reveals harrowing tales of close calls, murder plots, and the inner workings of these radical organizations. Scott also shares personal stories about the challenges and sacrifices of living a double life while maintaining his optimism about humanity. GET SCOTT'S BOOK: https://a.co/d/07PiBV9 JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(1/2) In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we dive into the world of undercover law enforcement with retired FBI agent Scott Payne. Scott takes us through his incredible journey of infiltrating outlaw biker gangs, neo-Nazis, the KKK, and other extremist groups in America. He shares the psychological toll and personal challenges that come with living a double life, and provides a glimpse into his fascinating new book, 'Code Name Pale Horse.' This captivating conversation was so extensive and rich with stories that we've split it into two parts. Tune in for part one of Scott Payne's mind-blowing experiences in the field. GET SCOTT'S BOOK: https://a.co/d/07PiBV9 JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 2014, Cory Barron is out for a night of fun at a stadium in Cleveland. He's there to see Jason Aldean, and by all accounts, he's having a great time. And then, he's gone, seemingly into thin air. A few days later, his body is found in a landfill one county over. What happened to Cory Barron, and can police find justice? JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DEVIANT hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz gather to announce the next DEVIANT story, (starting next week), and let you know what you can expect. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this powerful episode of Deviant Off Script, host Andrew Iden delves into the extraordinary life of Iran Nazario. Once entrenched in gang violence and crime, Iran turned his life around after years of struggle, trauma, and incarceration. He now leads the Peace Center of Connecticut, dedicating his life to helping others avoid the path he once walked. This episode explores Iran's traumatic childhood, his journey through gang culture, and his transformation into a community leader and advocate for peace. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Serial killers are natural deceivers, but hearing them describe their crimes in their own words has big value. It can help us understand how their minds work, and gives investigators the tools to catch future killers. In this episode, DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz revisits some of the show's more intense serial killer confessions. Serial killers Israel Keyes, Anthony Sowell and Joseph Daniel Miller tell stories of their killings, and open up windows into their dark souls. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A special look at daily true crime pod, Morning Cup of Murder. Morning Cup of Murder delivers daily true crime stories in quick, bite-sized episodes. With over 2,000 episodes and more than 40 million downloads, host Korina Biemesderfer, has a way of making each case compelling, whether it's a well-known crime or one you've never heard of. Check out Morning Cup of Murder over on their own page, wherever you get your podcasts.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join DEVIANT host Andrew Iden as he gets to know Andrea Thompson, one of the stars of the groundbreaking TV show NYPD Blue. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, Andrea discusses her journey into acting, her experiences on the show, and her unique transition to journalism. From formative childhood performances in Dayton, Ohio, to riding along with NYPD detectives, Andrea shares fascinating insights into her diverse career. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Andrew Iden interviews former police chief and US Marshal Rick McCubbin. Rick delves into the unique challenges and experiences of leading small-town police departments, contrasting them with his time in larger cities like Louisville. He provides a detailed account of handling the tragic and unsolved murder of Officer Jason Ellis in Bardstown, highlighting the emotional toll and complexities of such a case. From his early aspirations in Kentucky to his significant roles in federal law enforcement, Rick offers a compelling narrative on what it means to serve and protect. It's an in-depth look at policing, community trust and the enduring search for justice in unsolved crimes. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DEVIANT's exploration of the Hart Family homicides concludes with hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz finding conclusions, searching for truths and trying to answer the big question: "why?" Also, we play some of the sound that we weren't able to get to in the previous episodes, and share listener thoughts. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join DEVIANT host Andrew Iden as he speaks with Alan Duke, a veteran reporter, editor, and producer with a long tenure at CNN. Duke shares his journey from a local DJ in Carrollton, Georgia, to covering major celebrity trials and true-crime stories, including the deaths of Michael Jackson and Anna Nicole Smith. Along the way, he recounts memorable courtroom experiences, the evolution of forensic technology in solving crimes, and the intricacies of working in LA's crime reporting scene. Don't miss this deep dive into a lifetime of fascinating crime journalism. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(Part 5/5) In our final episode on the Hart Family murders, DEVIANT host Andrew Iden explores the pivotal moments leading up to the family leaving their home in Washington, and talk to the neighbors who lived across the driveway about what they saw, the encounters and concerns they had, the opportunities missed and how it all led to the cliff in Mendocino County, CA. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Andrew Iden sits down with Atlanta-based defense attorney Kirby Clements. Kirby, who has experience on both sides of the legal system as a former prosecutor, provides a compelling look into the American justice system. They discuss the intricacies of representing clients, the challenges faced by defense attorneys, and the courtroom dynamics that often surprise the public. Kirby shares personal stories from his career, shedding light on the emotional and practical aspects of criminal defense. This episode is a must for anyone interested in the law, and the real-life scenarios that attorneys navigate daily. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC 00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview 01:41 Kirby's Journey to Becoming a Lawyer 02:38 Early Career as a Prosecutor 04:00 Memorable Courtroom Stories 10:29 Transition to Criminal Defense 18:29 Confronting a Killer Client 19:34 The Role of a Defense Attorney 20:24 Prosecutor vs. Defense: A Philosophical Debate 21:55 Defending the Guilty and the Innocent 24:19 The Emotional Toll of Defending the Innocent 27:35 Public Perception and Jury Bias 32:58 The Reality of the Criminal Justice System 37:10 The Impact of Resources on Legal Defense 38:31 Final Thoughts and Reflections Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(Part 4/5) In our latest episode of DEVIANT, Andrew Iden looks at the Hart Family case through the lens of an adoption system that may have failed to protect, and a process that favored two women who would become abusers, and then murderers. How did six children slip through the cracks? JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we chat with John Oller, an author, journalist, and former attorney. John has written several books, including his latest, "Gangster Hunters," which explores the early days of the FBI during the 1930s gangster era. John shares the fascinating story behind his first dive into true crime writing: revisiting a cold case about Christie Mullins, a 14-year-old girl murdered in 1975. This case, which went viral in Columbus, Ohio, led to a reopening of the investigation and the policing naming a new suspect. John also discusses the challenges he faced in uncovering new evidence and getting the case reopened. Additionally, we delve into his latest book, exploring why the 1930s gangsters continue to captivate us and the role of the FBI in catching these notorious criminals. Check out host Andrew Iden and John's conversation about crime, history, and the relentless pursuit of justice. GET JOHN'S BOOK: https://a.co/d/fpHZhXC JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(Part 3/4) When the Hart Family arrived at events and concerts, people noticed. Image was everything. And that was by Jen Hart's design...she curated a well crafted image. In this week's episode, Deviant's Andrew Iden explores the careful facade that the Harts created, and reckons with what was seen vs the darkness that is now known. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Steve Gunderson spent his entire law enforcement career as the tip of the spear. He fought against violent extremists and domestic terror groups, hell bent on inflicting pain on American citizens. As an agent with the ATF, he was front and center, infiltrating the KKK, the Aryan Brotherhood, learning about their moves, their mission, and trying to bring them to justice before they could continue their brand of violence. In this episode of Off Script, Gunderson joins Andrew Iden to share some amazing stories of a life and job spent fighting back against hate. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(Part 2/4) Following the decision to rule the Hart family crash ian ntentional act, Sheriff Tom Allman holds a coroner's inquest, which reveals the haunting 48 hours leading up to the crash, and a clearer picture of who Jen and Sarah Hart were as mothers. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For years, Rachel Jeffs lived behind the walls of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ-Latter Day Saints, the FLDS. There, she was abused: physically, mentally and sexually, by Warren Jeffs, the leader of the polygamist group. He was also her father. Rachel has managed to escape the group, and in doing so, is telling the world about her experience as a member of the FLDS, and the control that women inside the group live under. In this episode of Off Script, she shares her story with host Andrew Iden. It's a story of bravery and survival, how she escaped, and even her current views on religion and spirituality. GET RACHEL'S BOOK: https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Free-Escaped-Polygamy-Father/dp/0062670522 JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(PART 1/4) To outside appearances, Jennifer and Sarah Hart are the model of a happy modern family. They're married, have six adopted children and are always going on adventures. And then, in March of 2018, the Harts drive their van off a cliff in California, plunging into the Pacific Ocean. All six of their children are in the van with them. None survive. Investigators quickly realize this is no accident. As they learn more about the Hart family, it becomes clear that behind the happy social media posts and happy public faces, there is darkness. What happened in the Hart family van, and why? JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

"Russia's spies" has been a major news story for almost a decade now. They are here, in our computers, and on the ground. So what's it like to be one? Jack Barsky (not his original name) was a spy for the KGB at the height of the Cold War. He was a member of the elite Directorate S...the illegals. While training in Moscow, he learned how to act like an American, or so he thought. He figured it out though, and lived in the US, pretending to be American, for 15 years until the FBI put it all together. In this DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz sits down with Jack, now a US citizen, to get his incredible story. Get Jack's book: https://a.co/d/jeUx6lW Get Jack's podcast "The Agent" here: https://cumuluspodcastnetwork.com/pods/the-agent/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

(2/2) In April of 2018, Alek Minassian sits in a Toronto police station after using a van to kill eleven people. Now, investigators are trying to figure out who he is, and why he did this. Minassian is happy to talk about it all. What he spins is a tale years in the making, winding himself into the very fabric of what he calls the beta uprising...the incel revolution. Who are the incels? What do they want? How much of a threat are they today? DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz explores all these questions, and concludes the story of the the 2018 Toronto Van Attack. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Andrew Iden has some programming changes, so you know what to expect, and when. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Robyn Curnow has spent her career reporting from some of the world's most interesting places. In 2008, she got to know an athlete in her native South Africa: Oscar Pistorius. In this episode of Deviant Off Script, Robyn talks to host Andrew Iden about reporting on crime stories in South Africa versus the United States, her coverage of the Pistorius murder trial, her career as a journalist, and interviewing people in the middle of crisis and trauma. CHECK OUT ROBYN'S PODCAST HERE: https://www.searchingforamericapod.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Part 1/2 In the spring of 2018, a beautiful Toronto day is broken by a man in a white rental van. He picks a busy part of town...a place where many people will be out and about. He pulls onto the sidewalk, and hits the accelerator. Ten minutes later, he's murdered 11 people. Police immediately arrest 25-year-old Alec Manassian. He claims to have a cause: the "incel revolution." In this multipart story from DEVIANT, host Dan Szematowicz explores this dark day, and the killer who claims allegiance to a bizarre online community. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

January's terror attack in New Orleans put the spotlight back on lone wolf terror. It's among the most terrifying acts of violence because it usually comes without warning, and it's extraordinarily difficult to prevent...but not impossible. Join DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz as he learns all about it from terror expert Jeffrey Simon. What are the biggest threats facing us today, and can anything be done to stop them? Get Jeffrey's books here: https://a.co/d/3cFSByf and here: https://a.co/d/fSxgBqA JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We've been hard at work putting together a new series of stories for you. In this mini-installment, hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden play sound from some of those new stories, talk about what you can expect and tell you how you can suggest stories too (hint: it's linked here). JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As a longtime undercover ATF Agent, Jay Dobyns infiltrated outlaw biker gangs, and the famed Hell's Angels. Jay spent years inside the Angels as a member and officer, living alongside some of the most violent and dangerous criminals in America. He was also a member of the ATF teams that took part in the standoff at Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing response and the Columbine High School investigation. Deviant's Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden talk to Jay about the pressure cooker existence of life undercover. GET JAY'S BOOK: https://a.co/d/eWbMfsM JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

He brags about his crimes for years, but nobody takes him seriously until 1992 ,when he's caught in the act. Now everyone is listening as police attempt to untangle the full mystery of Joseph Daniel Miller, and the private graveyard he creates outside of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz takes introduces you to the serial killer you probably don't know about.  JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We all know what happened in Dallas in 1963. President John Fitzgerald Kennedy was assassinated. But what many don't know is that there was a previous attempt on his live several years prior, and it was a push-of-a-button away from being successful. Bestselling author Brad Meltzer joins host Dan Szematowicz to tell the incredible story of the birth of Camelot, and the random chance that saved it for a short time. Read Brad's book, The JFK Conspiracy: https://bradmeltzer.com/Nonfiction/The-JFK-Conspiracy Pre-order Make Magic: https://bradmeltzer.com/Nonfiction/makemagic JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 2009, the buried bodies of 11 women are found in the desert outside of Albuquerque, New Mexico. The discovery kicks off a massive investigation, and an enduring mystery. Who committed these crimes? Is there a serial killer at work? DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz searches for the truth about what happened out on the West Mesa. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Andrea Dunlop hosts the incredible podcast, Nobody Should Believe Me, which explores the psychology and criminology of Munchausen by proxy. It's a not-well-understood. form of abuse, and Andrea has first-hand knowledge after her sister was investigated for it more than 10 years ago. Andrea is also a novelist, and brings her experience and expertise on this mysterious subject to her work. In this week's episode of DEVIANT Off Script, Andrea and host Andrew Iden explore her amazing life story, and compelling work. Get Andrea's new book: https://a.co/d/f9vrQ4q JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A renowned journalist, Ashleigh Banfield has been delivering the news across America for years. Before she was focused on true crime reporting, she was broadcasting from Ground Zero during 9/11, anchoring live news programs from the Middle East, and broadcasting on Court TV, Dateline, and 20/20, among others. She also happens to be a good friend of ours, and her story of journalism, life in front of the camera and the pull to true crime is a fascinating one. And now, she's launching her own, brand new true crime, podcast, Drop Dead Serious. It's out now wherever you get your podcasts, and she joined host Andrew Iden to talk it, and her incredible career. Check out Ashleigh's new podcast: https://www.dropdeadserious.com/ Get some delicious, healthy snack bars from our sponsor: http://thebellabars.com JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you didn't know that the FBI has forensic artists in their vast resource pool, you aren't alone. Meet Lisa Bailey. As an artist and forensic sculptor, Lisa was tasked for more than two decades with creating age progression imagers, as well as face approximation, the practice of using human skulls to try and identify unknown people and crime victims. She started her journey with the FBI in the shadow of 9/11, where one of her first assignments was working on the case against Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged 20th hijacker of the 9/11 attacks. Her book Clay & Bones is out on paperback now! Get it here: www.lisabaileyauthor.com JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ken Behr's life was like a movie. He spent years smuggling marijuana and cocaine all over the United States. He was really good at what he did. Eventually though, his operation came crashing down, and he went to work for the DEA. Now, he's an author who's candid and open about his story of drugs, money and many years of evading the law. In this edition of DEVIANT Off Script, Ken opens up to host Andrew Iden about his story. Get Ken's book: https://onestepovertheline.com/ JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Very few places can match the pressure, the violence and the bizarre logic of a US prison. Mike Cantrell is one of the few who understands how it all works, and has spent his career making it work. As a state and federal corrections officer, he's seen and been through it all. And as the host of The Prison Officer Podcast (https://theprisonofficer.com/), he brings his wild and unbelievable stories into the light. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, Mike wows hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden with the story of his life. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Paul Vercammen has seen plenty in his journalism career. Based in CNN's LA Bureau, he had a front row seat to wildfires, earthquakes, and some of America's most biggest celebrity trials. OJ Simpson, Robert Durst, Michael Jackson, and the Led Zeppelin copyright case, just to name a few. Paul joins hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz to take you inside the courtroom.  JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2024 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices