Puck Presents: The Powers That Be

Katie Drummond, global editorial director of Wired, joins the pod to reflect on her overhaul of the tech magazine—transforming it into a sharp-edged outlet covering the dystopian intersection of technology, politics, and culture. She discusses the significance of original reporting, Wired's notable growth and ambitions growth strategy, A.I.'s threat to journalism, and much, much more. The Grill Room Podcast is presented by bp. See all the ways we're investing in America: https://www.bp.com/InvestingInAmerica Make sure you subscribe to The Grill Room here To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kim Masters joins Peter to dig into the latest buzz around Hollywood: that Paramount C.E.O. David Ellison is eyeing a slimmed-down Warner Bros. as a potential acquisition target. They consider the potential upsides of a merger, the regulatory hurdles, and the implications for the entertainment ecosystem writ large. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

John Ourand joins Peter Hamby to break down ESPN's flurry of major announcements this week, from its big NFL broadcast deal to the addition of RedZone and premium WWE content. As ESPN prepares to launch its long-awaited D.T.C. product later this month, Jimmy Pitaro has outined a future where sports fans no longer need to toggle between cable, YouTube TV, Hulu, and Disney to watch the games and programming they want. Can it deliver? To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Julia Ioffe joins guest host Leigh Ann Caldwell to discuss the strange and unsettling appointment of Lew Olowski, a Trump loyalist, to lead H.R. at the State Department. They examine his history of erratic behavior—from accessing classified files to delivering bizarre speeches—and how his rise reflects a broader push to reshape U.S. diplomacy around political allegiance rather than competence. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Abby Livingston joins Leigh Ann Caldwell to break down the latest Texas redistricting showdown, as Democrats once again flee the state in protest of a Republican map designed to secure long-term House dominance. They examine what this tactic might actually accomplish—and the implications for Texas and national politics. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Kelly reunites with Peter Hamby to dissect the Wall Street Journal's editorial renaissance under Emma Tucker—and how their current business model and Washington coverage contrasts with rival New York Times. Then the duo explore whether Apple TV+ might finally embrace ads as a way to stop the bleeding on its high-gloss, money-losing streaming service. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lauren's guest is Amy Odell, author of Gwyneth: The Biography. They discuss actress Gwyneth Paltrow's second life as a wellness influencer, editor, fashion designer, and C.E.O. and founder of GOOP, the lifestyle business that has attracted plenty of attention but struggled to turn a profit. They also discuss GP's relationship with Anna Wintour, who was the subject of Amy's first book.Gwyneth: The BiographyAnna: The Biography To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ian Krietzberg joins Peter Hamby to survey the global A.I. arms race, and whether other countries are taking the same regulation-free, Wild West approach to artificial intelligence as the United States. Then they dig into the merit behind Mark Zuckerberg's brow-raising claim that Meta is close to developing something called “Super Intelligence.” To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Abby Livingston joins Leigh Ann Caldwell to dissect the new Texas redistricting maps—part of a Trump-backed effort to expand the G.O.P. House majority. They dig into the political strategies behind the scenes, how Democrats are likely to respond, and whether Texas is a preview of a broader redistricting push. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Marion Maneker joins guest host Julia Alexander to explore the surging collectibles market, and how that may impact art trading as we know it. Then they dig into the recent earnings reports from Christie's and Heritage, and why Marion believes the art market's fundamentals are stronger than the prevailing anxiety might suggest. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eriq Gardner joins Julia Alexander to revisit the lasting fallout from Hulk Hogan's landmark lawsuit against Gawker—backed by Peter Thiel—and how it reshaped the media industry's legal risk calculus. Then they turn to Disney's escalating crackdown on unauthorized Mickey Mouse merch, and what it signals about the new frontier of I.P. enforcement. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Kelly reunites with Peter to chew over the Trump administration's official blessing of the Skydance–Paramount merger—and the controversial ‘South Park' broadside that almost blew it all up. Then they explore ESPN's potential acquisition of NFL media, and what it could mean for Red Zone diehards and the future of football on Sundays. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

NASCAR commissioner Steve Phelps joins John Ourand for a candid conversation about the sport's evolving media ecosystem, including new deals with Fox, NBC, and Amazon Prime. Phelps also outlines NASCAR's experimental growth strategy; explains why he's not in competition with F1 and IndyCar; and weighs in on the simmering legal standoff with Denny Hamlin and Michael Jordan—while making the case for why polarizing personalities like Hamlin are important for increasing fan engagement. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kim Masters joins Peter to discuss how Hollywood insiders are reacting to CBS's abrupt cancellation of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert—and whether it's less about cost-cutting and more about appeasing Trump as David Ellison prepares to take the reins at Paramount. They also explore the implications for the studio's programming slate and whether a “Trumpier” Paramount is on the horizon. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Leigh Ann Caldwell joins Peter to examine the political bind facing the G.O.P., as Speaker Mike Johnson chooses to recess the House rather than confront growing demands from his own party to release new information about Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. They discuss the political calculations behind the move, the pressure mounting on Trump, and why Republicans remain deeply conflicted over the handling—or mishandling—of this situation. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eriq Gardner joins guest host Julia Ioffe to unpack Trump's $10 billion defamation lawsuit against The Wall Street Journal over a lewd birthday card he allegedly doodled for Jeffrey Epstein, and which he vehemently denies creating. Eriq explains why this lawsuit is notably flimsy—and why Trump may be aiming for a settlement rather than a public reckoning. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ian Krietzberg joins guest host Julia Ioffe to unpack the class-action lawsuit against the A.I. company Anthropic, and how publishers are drawing a line in the sand when it comes to A.I. models training on their content. They also dig into Trump's supposed “anti-woke A.I.” action plan and how it ties into the mass sell-off of public lands envisioned in the Big Beautiful Bill. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Kelly reunites with Peter to unpack Substack's billion-dollar valuation and its pivot from newsletter darling to multimedia hype darling. Then they dig into the culture-war-infused intrigue surrounding David Ellison's potential bid for The Free Press, and what it could mean if he folds Bari Weiss into CBS News. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this special episode of The Powers That Be, Leigh Ann Caldwell is joined by Rep. Angie Craig for a Puck Power Breakfast at Ned's Club in D.C. Craig digs into the crypto-related conflicts dogging the White House, and explains why the current administration's rural agenda is alienating the very farmers it claims to support. She also opens up about her new political group, Majority Democrats, and her campaign to reimagine the party's strategy, messaging, and leadership. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Julia Ioffe joins guest host Leigh Ann Caldwell to unpack the implications of the sweeping layoffs at the State Department, which have left 1300 staffers out in the cold. Then they examine Marco Rubio's tenure as Secretary of State, illuminating his emerging role as a key architect of Trump's evolving foreign policy—while sidestepping his actual duty to manage the reorganization of the State Department. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Abby Livingston joins Leigh Ann Caldwell to cover the most pressing topics underpinning the political landscape: the latest drama with the redistricting efforts in Texas, the Dems' and G.O.P.'s respective Q2 fundraising trends, and whether Elon Musk is actually gaining any traction with his quixotic third-party ambitions. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lauren Sherman joins guest host Julia Alexander to cut through the noise surrounding the Anna Wintour-Vogue succession story—and why the rumors of Jeff Bezos acquiring the storied fashion mag are more fantasy than fact. Lauren also digs into the $10 million sale of a prototype Hermès Birkin bag, and highlights which other luxury bags could reach cult collectible status in the future. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill Cohan joins guest host extraordinaire Julia Alexander to dissect Bill Ackman's latest headline-generating antics—this time at a tennis tournament—and the optics of his increasingly erratic behavior. Then Bill breaks down the escalating crisis at Saks Global, where a debt restructuring effort has devolved into intra-creditor warfare, and why Chapter 11 may be on the horizon. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Kelly joins guest host Julia Alexander to assess Apple's reported $150 million-a-year offer for F1's U.S. media rights—nearly twice what ESPN currently pays. With ESPN tightening its belt and prioritizing strategic clarity, Apple may have the inside lane. Then they pivot to Linda Yaccarino's exit from X, and discuss what her retreat signals about the company's Musk-era dysfunction and long-term viability. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matt Belloni joins guest host Julia Alexander to discuss the high-stakes summer blockbusters that could make or break two battered superhero franchises. With ‘Superman' poised for a $130 million debut, Warner Bros. Discovery is betting big on a comeback after a string of DC misfires. Meanwhile, Marvel's ‘Fantastic Four' reboot carries the burden of reviving a post-‘Endgame' brand that's lost its allure. Can either studio pull itself out of its respective funk? To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ian Krietzberg joins guest host Julia Alexander to unpack the firestorm surrounding Grok, Elon Musk's controversial A.I. agent for his social platform, X. Recent updates to be more “politically incorrect” instead led Grok to unleash a series of anti-Semitic outputs, including references to Hitler. Ian and Julia explore the broader implications of A.I.'s impact on public discourse, platform accountability, and the risks of ideological A.I. customization. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dylan Byers joins guest host Julia Ioffe to unpack the fallout from the $16 million CBS–Trump settlement, and what it reveals about the state of press freedom, media ownership, and Trump's increasingly autocratic playbook. They also tackle the broader crisis in media: collapsing valuations, fragmentation, and the industry's struggle to push back against Trump's legal tactics. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Leigh Ann Caldwell joins Julia Ioffe to break down how congressional Republicans fell in line behind Trump's Big Beautiful Bill, despite flashes of public dissent, as a result of Trump's rallying force and the fear of political repercussions. They also dig into the Freedom Caucus's failed rebellion, and whether that signals a striking decline in their influence. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Kelly joins guest host Julia Alexander to discuss the existential threat that Google's A.I. tools pose to digital media, highlighting the so-called “Google Zero” phenomenon—a potential extinction-level event for many large-scale publishers. Then they turn their attention to the rise of YouTube and the creator economy, and whether the creator gold rush may finally be reaching its peak. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lauren Sherman joins guest host Julia Alexander to gab about Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sánchez's celebrity wedding, where vintage and custom fashion upstaged traditional high-end designer gowns. They connect the dots to broader luxury industry headwinds, from China's spending slump to the rising cachet of secondhand. They also discuss Jonathan Anderson's successful Dior debut—and why it could mark a pivotal moment for high fashion's future. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

John Ourand joins guest host Julia Alexander to unpack the far-reaching implications of Shari Redstone's $16 million settlement with Donald Trump—starting with what it means for CBS Sports and its likely new steward, Jeff Shell, a media veteran known for using sports to drive growth. They also examine the rise of skinny bundles, the intensifying sports rights arms race, Amazon Channels' strategic edge, and what it all portends for the future of television. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ian Krietzberg joins guest host Leigh Ann Caldwell to break down the eleventh-hour removal of a controversial A.I. provision from the Big Beautiful Bill. Then they discuss the contradictions at the heart of the Trump administration's A.I. strategy, from its deregulatory stance to its $500 billion bet on the Stargate Initiative—and a looming A.I. policy framework that may favor innovation over environmental protections. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eriq Gardner joins guest host Leigh Ann Caldwell to discuss the Supreme Court's brow-raising ruling on birthright citizenship—which, in classic Supreme Court fashion, wasn't actually about birthright citizenship and instead limited the power of lower courts to issue nationwide injunctions. Eriq and Leigh Ann weigh into the various policy implications, including immigration, foreign aid, and the next wave of federal litigation. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Kelly joins guest host Julia Alexander to unpack Anna Wintour's long-anticipated but still seismic decision to scale back her day-to-day role at American ‘Vogue.' The duo handicap the succession race and dissect Condé's broader pivot to leaner, more profitable operations. Then they dig into Netflix's new partnership with French broadcaster TF1—and what it signals for the world's top streamer, and modern media companies writ large. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Puck's newest author and resident A.I. expert, Ian Krietzberg, makes his podcast debut with guest host Julia Alexander for a rollicking conversation about the disruptive promise—and misconceptions—of artificial intelligence. Ian unpacks what we're getting right and wrong about A.I. panic, then turns to break down the major implications of a recent court ruling in a landmark case against Anthropic, one of the biggest A.I. companies in the world, in which a judge found that using copyrighted books to train A.I. models constitutes fair use. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kim Masters joins guest host extraordinaire Julia Alexander to unravel the latest twists in the ever-expanding CBS–Trump legal saga: a new mediator proposal, the Paramount-Skydance merger hanging in the balance, and the uncertain fate of ‘60 Minutes' on the other side of a potential settlement. Then, they weigh whether Apple's long-awaited ‘F1' movie could be a defining moment—or a costly misfire—for the streamer's film ambitions. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eriq Gardner joins guest host Julia Ioffe to break down the ripple effects of Olivia Trusty's confirmation to the F.C.C., cementing a new Republican majority that could dramatically loosen media ownership rules—paving the way for more conservative local media consolidation. Then Eriq unpacks NPR's intensifying legal battle with the Trump administration over its federal funding lifeline. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Julia Ioffe and Leigh Ann Caldwell unpack the political fallout from the U.S. strikes on Iran, charting the MAGA coalition's reflexive support for Trump and the Democrats' more fragmented response. While Republicans are largely unified, Democrats remain split—more focused on Trump's sidestepping of Congress than taking a clear stance on the strikes themselves. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Kelly joins guest host Dylan Byers for a deep dive into Substack's increasingly precarious business model—marked by a high cash burn rate, flat valuation, and potential dilution. They debate whether the company is truly a tech platform or a media business in disguise, and unpack the growing pains writers face when leaving legacy outlets for the Substack promise. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The legendary Kim Masters joins Julia Alexander to examine the MAGA turn of mega producer Brian Grazer, a longtime Democrat, and what his conversion portends for the industry. Plus, whether Trump is coming around on the Ellison-Paramount deal and the latest Disney succession chatter following the Dana Walden-Kamala Harris summit. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The inimitable Bill Cohan joins guest host Julia Alexander to chew over two of the great mysteries before Wall Street: the financial engineering of the Warner Bros. Discovery breakup, and whether Trump's F.C.C. will bless Shari Redstone and David Ellison's Paramount deal. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this special episode of The Powers That Be, Leigh Ann Caldwell sits down with Hawaii Senator Brian Schatz for a wide-ranging chat about Trump's controversial decision to deploy troops to Los Angeles, the perils of his “invasion” rhetoric, the ongoing dysfunction surrounding the Big Beautiful Bill, and how Democrats can un-DOGE America. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In a timely crossover episode, guest hosts Julia Ioffe and Leigh Ann Caldwell discuss the intensifying conflict between Iran and Israel, and the ripple effects in Washington: the decisions now confronting Donald Trump, the fate of U.S.-Iran nuclear negotiations, and whether there's any opening for diplomacy. Plus, Julia explains why Trump still can't stop talking about Vladimir Putin at the G7. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Kelly joins guest host Dylan Byers for a postmortem of Zaz's WBD spinoff, and what it portends for HBO, CNN, TNT, and other networks. They also discuss the long-term viability of his newly formed Streaming & Studios, before weighing into the ongoing challenges plaguing The Washington Post—and much more. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

John Ourand and guest host extraordinaire Julia Alexander debate what the WBD divorce means for TNT and TBS, the next wave of rights negotiations, and whether Zaslav is lying to himself about not needing sports. Then they dig into the slumping NBA Finals ratings—and whether this is indicative of broader league fatigue. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eriq Gardner joins guest host Julia Alexander to discuss the latest twist in the Baldoni-Lively saga, after a judge tossed most of Baldoni's claims. Eriq breaks down what the ruling really means, whether Lively's partial legal win might embolden other stars to take a stand, and how this case could be a harbinger for the next wave of Hollywood lawsuits. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Abby Livingston joins guest host Leigh Ann Caldwell to dig into the G.O.P.'s internal conflict over the Big Beautiful Bill—which Abby deems the thorniest legislation since Obamacare in 2010. Then they discuss the Musk-Trump breakup and highlight which Republicans could actually stand to gain from the feud. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In a special early recording of The Powers That Be, Dylan and Bill jump on the mic to discuss the breaking news that Warner Bros. Discovery will split into two companies—a film and streaming division led by David Zaslav, and a cable business run by Gunnar Wiedenfels… loaded up with most of WBD's debt. They discuss what the separation means for HBO Max, the fear inside CNN, how Wall Street is responding, and why a divorce was inevitable. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jon Kelly and guest host Dylan Byers unpack the fallout from former White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre's announcement of her new book, ‘Independent'—and her brow-raising defection from the Democratic Party. Then they chew over the latest developments on Shari Redstone's fragile Paramount-Skydance deal, which is looking shakier by the day. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Eriq Gardner joins guest host Julia Alexander to dissect The New York Times's intensifying legal battle with OpenAI—and how its surprise A.I. licensing deal with Amazon could strengthen its case. Then Eriq breaks down the litigious drama around Bravo's Andy Cohen and an alleged smear campaign brought on by former Real Housewife Leah McSweeney. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill Cohan joins guest host Julia Alexander to dissect Warner Bros. Discovery's latest financial headaches—from its debt downgrade into quasi-junk territory to stagnant EBITDA growth. They debate C.E.O. David Zaslav's stewardship of the company, the timeline for a potential spinoff involving WBD's linear channels, and whether Zaz is laying the groundwork for a major M&A play. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices