The Former Lawyer Podcast

Sarah shares why she donates to The Legal Accountability Project, a nonprofit working to bring transparency to the judicial clerkship system. She talks about the power judges hold, how law schools often ignore bad behavior, and why more information—not more prestige—is what law students really need. If you've ever wondered why the legal profession protects its own at the expense of young lawyers, this episode offers a candid look at what needs to change.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/270

Reddit and Fishbowl can feel like the only places lawyers can be honest about how bad it really is. But even in these “safe” spaces, the lawyer bubble shows up. In this episode, Sarah shares what she sees in these anonymous forums, why the advice often misses the mark, and how to recognize when toxic thinking is disguised as tough love.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/269.

Sarah is celebrating five years of The Former Lawyer Collab—and reflecting on what it's taught her about helping lawyers leave the law. In this episode, she shares the behind-the-scenes of building the program, the patterns she's seen in the hundreds of lawyers she's worked with, and why the first step is always about knowing yourself better—not just updating your resume. She also talks about the importance of community when you're making a big change, the real-life stories that keep inspiring her, and why it's never too early to start exploring your options if you know law isn't your forever career. If you've been sitting on the fence, this episode will give you a nudge and a whole lot of clarity.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/238

Lawyer and certified ADHD coach Annie Little returns to talk with Sarah about executive function, ADHD in the legal profession, and why so many lawyers struggle with time, organization, and burnout. They break down how ADHD brains actually work, what interest-based motivation means, and how understanding your brain can help you build a career that works for you—not against you. Whether you're diagnosed, undiagnosed, or just curious, this conversation offers practical insight and validation for lawyers navigating ADHD at any stage.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/267

Is DEI really the problem in Biglaw? Sarah doesn't think so, and she's not alone. In this episode, she breaks down why blaming diversity, equity, and inclusion for the profession's longstanding issues is not only inaccurate, but dangerously out of touch. If you're tired of the gaslighting and performative change in legal spaces, this conversation will help you feel seen, and remind you that you're not imagining the disconnect between what firms say and how they actually operate.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/266

When Laura Markham suddenly lost her husband, everything changed—including how she viewed her legal career. In this episode, Laura shares her path from real estate litigation to finding a more flexible, values-aligned role after loss. She talks about parenting through grief, rethinking the billable hour, and how the Collab helped her reconnect with what she actually wanted from work and life. If you've been wondering whether it's time for a change—or if you're just trying to keep going during a hard season—Laura's story will remind you that there's no one “right” path forward, and going back to something familiar might just be the best next step. See show notes at formerlawyer.com/265

Feeling overwhelmed, unmotivated, or like you're barely keeping up? You're not alone. In this episode, Sarah shares a simple but powerful reframe for lawyers who are just trying to make it through right now. If you've caught yourself saying you're doing “the bare minimum,” this conversation will help you shift that narrative and offer yourself more grace. Whether you're thinking about leaving the law or just trying to get through the week, Sarah reminds us that surviving a hard season isn't a failure—it's a sign you're human. If you're struggling with what to prioritize, feeling stretched thin, or questioning your next steps, this episode is a grounding reminder that taking care of what's essential is enough.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/264

Are you questioning whether practicing law is really the right path for you? You're not alone—and you're not wrong for feeling that way. In this episode, Sarah talks about why so many lawyers feel stuck in careers that no longer fit, and why changing your mind isn't a failure—it's a sign of growth.If you've ever felt guilty for wanting something different, or worried that shifting directions means you made a mistake, this conversation will help reframe those thoughts. Learn why it's normal to outgrow a legal career, and how to start thinking about what's next with more clarity and less pressure.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/263

If you feel like all you do is complain about your job, you're not alone. Many lawyers reach a point where they're exhausted, not just by their work, but by how much they talk about how miserable it makes them.In this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, Sarah Cottrell addresses what happens when you reach that breaking point. She explains why you don't have to wait until you can leave your job to start making a change, and how taking small steps now can set you up for the future, whether you're leaving in a few months or a few years.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/262

On today's podcast, Sarah is chatting with a familiar guest who has been on the podcast several times. It's her husband, Ed Cottrell. They met in law school and graduated at the same time. Ed's path took a different route than Sarah's, and he now works in the tech field after leaving law. Today's conversation explores the common interest of many lawyers Sarah speaks with to explore jobs in tech. If you've been curious about getting a tech job or want to learn more about Ed's journey.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/261

Many lawyers contemplating leaving the profession assume the process is complicated. The reality? It's actually very simple. But that doesn't mean it's easy. In this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, Sarah Cottrell breaks down the difference between something being simple but difficult versus complicated but easy, and how this applies to leaving the law. The truth is, figuring out what's next isn't complex, but doing the work to make a change is hard. That's why she created The Former Lawyer Collab because even though the steps are clear, having support and guidance can make all the difference. See show notes at formerlawyer.com/260

If you're thinking about leaving the law but feel stuck, ask yourself this question. Who are you waiting for permission from?Many lawyers aren't just worried about logistics. They feel like they need approval. They worry about how their family, friends, or partner will react. They feel the need to justify their decision and have others validate that leaving is the right move.But the only permission you need is your own.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/259

Sarah Cottrell talks with Amisha DeYoung-Dominguez, a former lawyer who transitioned into public service, on this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast.Amisha, now a congressional staffer, shares her winding journey through law school, legal aid, and government work—ultimately realizing that practicing law wasn't the right fit. Her story highlights the struggle many lawyers face, the pressure to stay in the profession despite clear signs it isn't working. Through The Former Lawyer Collab, Amisha found the clarity and support she needed to make the leap into a fulfilling new career.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/258

Many former lawyers who stepped away from their careers to be stay-at-home parents eventually find themselves wondering how to re-enter the workforce—without going back to practicing law. On this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, host Sarah Cottrell addresses this exact challenge, breaking down the key steps for making the transition while avoiding the pressure to return to legal practice.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/257

In this re-released episode, Former Lawyer Collab members share the biggest surprises they've encountered while figuring out what's next. From discovering unexpected support from other former lawyers to realizing just how much law school and legal practice shaped their identity, these insights reveal what happens when you step outside the legal bubble. If you're considering leaving the law, these reflections might surprise you too.Sarah also shares an update on Former Lawyer's commitment to donating 1% of its gross revenue to the Equal Justice Initiative (EJI) and an additional 1% to the ACLU. If you'd like to support these organizations, you can find more information here:Equal Justice Initiative (EJI)ACLULearn more about the Former Lawyer Collab: formerlawyer.com/collab

In this re-released episode, Former Lawyer Collab members share the biggest myths they believed about leaving the law—myths that held them back from making a change. From the fear of being seen as a failure to the belief that legal work has to be miserable, these insights highlight how shifting your mindset can open up new possibilities.Sarah also shares an update on Former Lawyer's commitment to donating 1% of its gross revenue to the Equal Justice Initiative (EJI) and an additional 1% to the ACLU. If you'd like to support these organizations, you can find more information here:Equal Justice Initiative (EJI)ACLULearn more about the Former Lawyer Collab: formerlawyer.com/collab

This week, I'm re-releasing an episode featuring Former Lawyer Collab members sharing the simple yet transformative realizations that helped them move forward in their journey out of the law. From understanding their values to accepting that it's okay to want something different, these stories highlight the small mindset shifts that can make a huge impact.Sarah also shares an update about Former Lawyer's commitment to donating 1% of its gross revenue to the Equal Justice Initiative (EJI) and, moving forward, an additional 1% to the ACLU. If you'd like to join in supporting these organizations, you can find more information on their sites.Equal Justice Initiative (EJI)ACLULearn more about the Former Lawyer Collab: formerlawyer.com/collab

In this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, Sarah Cottrell gets real about why so many Millennials feel stuck in the pursuit of success. As an elder Millennial herself, she unpacks the pressures lawyers face to maintain a certain lifestyle or salary—pressures that often come from family expectations, societal norms, and internalized beliefs about what success “should” look like.Sarah shares personal insights, client stories, and some hard questions to help you rethink whether the life you're chasing actually aligns with your values. She also dives into how therapy can play a game-changing role in breaking free from the “success trap” and building a life that works for you.If you've ever found yourself feeling trapped by career expectations or the idea that you're supposed to suffer to succeed, this episode is for you. You don't have to settle for burnout—there's a way forward.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/256

Many lawyers worry that leaving the law for the corporate world won't fix their work-life balance struggles. In this episode, Sarah explores why corporate jobs aren't all the same, how to identify workplaces that align with your values, and why you're not doomed to hate every job you take.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/255

Lawyers often feel pressured to craft the perfect IRAC-style argument to justify leaving the law, but that's not necessary. In this episode, Sarah explores why trusting your intuition is key, how to navigate conversations about your decision, and why you don't need to convince anyone else to validate your choice.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/254

Leaving the law starts with understanding your values. In this episode, Sarah explains why taking a deep dive into your values is the critical first step for any lawyer considering a career change. She shares how identifying what truly matters to you can uncover the root of your dissatisfaction and guide you toward a career that aligns with your priorities.Whether you're unsure about your next step or ready to make a move, this conversation offers actionable insights to help you get started on your path to a more fulfilling future. Tune in to learn why values are the foundation of Sarah's framework for lawyers ready to leave the law behind.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/253

In today's episode, Sarah kicks off the new year with an update on how you can work with her in 2025. If you're starting the year thinking, ‘I can't keep doing this,' and you know you don't want to be in the same place next year, this episode is for you. Sarah breaks down the options available to help you leave the law behind and create the change you're ready for.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/252

This episode includes an important content warning for discussions of narcissism, narcissistic abuse, self-harm, and suicidality. This week on The Former Lawyer Podcast, Sarah Cottrell welcomes back her client Kelcey Baker for a powerful conversation about the distressingly common experience among lawyers of wishing for a minor injury—like being hit by a bus—just to get a break from work. Kelcey and Sarah dive deep into the toxic environments in the legal profession that normalize extreme stress and emotional distress while discouraging vulnerability and self-care. They explore the systemic issues in law firms that create these harmful dynamics and why addressing the environment, not the individual, is critical.If you've ever felt trapped in an environment where taking a real break feels impossible, this conversation will resonate deeply and offer hope. Tune in to hear more about why these feelings arise, how they can be addressed, and the importance of prioritizing your well-being.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/236

Previously, Lauren Ascher was on the podcast to discuss accommodations for lawyers with ADHD. It's a good segue into an important conversation about disclosing ADHD and other mental health issues to your law firm. It's no secret that there is a high incidence rate among lawyers for anxiety, depression, panic disorders, and other issues. In the United States, you are entitled to certain accommodations legally for disorders covered under the ADA. But a real challenge is deciding whether or not you will disclose your ADHD, anxiety, or depression to HR at your workplace. It can feel really daunting to think about disclosing something like this at work. See show notes at formerlawyer.com/205

For countless reasons, December can be a pretty rough month for lawyer's mental health. So for the next couple of weeks, we're going to have some re-releases of some episodes in the podcast dealing with mental health. So there will be three episodes. This first episode will be how to take a mental health leave of absence from your firm, and I'm joined by guest Megan Nogasky.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/176

On today's podcast episode, Sarah clarifies a question she often hears when she tells people about the work she does: “Do all the lawyers who you work with end up leaving law?” There is a sense that she is trying to convince people to leave their careers as lawyers and move on to something else, and she wants to answer that question and chat about it.A fundamental belief that Sarah has is that people are the experts on their own experience. She is not trying to convince anyone of anything. There are moments when she gets especially fired up about some of the problematic parts of the legal profession, but she is just sharing her experiences and allowing a place for others to do the same. This podcast was created for lawyers to hear someone talking about something they recognize.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/251

Lilly Ghahremani knew from her first day of law school that she had made a mistake, but like so many lawyers, she kept going, earning her degree and even passing the bar. What came next wasn't the traditional legal path but an unexpected journey into the publishing industry. Today, Lilly is a literary agent with over 20 years of experience, co-founder of Full Circle Literary, and an advocate for authors navigating the complex world of publishing.In this episode, Lilly shares how her legal background helped her thrive in a nontraditional career and why so many lawyers are drawn to publishing. She talks about the realities of life as a literary agent, the skills that truly transfer from legal practice, and how lawyers can tap into their creative passions. Whether you're dreaming of leaving law or simply curious about the publishing world, Lilly's story will inspire you to explore new possibilities.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/250

Struggling with the fear of leaving law behind? This week, Sarah unpacks the sunk cost fallacy—a common mental block for lawyers considering a career change. She explores why we tend to overvalue past investments and undervalue the cost of staying in an unhealthy profession. You'll also learn why leaving law doesn't mean your legal experience is wasted. If you've ever felt stuck weighing the pros and cons of walking away, this episode is for you.Download Sarah's free guide, First Steps to Leaving the Law, at formerlawyer.com/first.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/249

On today's podcast episode, Sarah chats with Dan Branagan. He is a member of the Collab and a former lawyer who now works as a data analyst. They discuss how his journey to escape the legal grind and his process of finding other roles that might work for him using the program's framework. Let's dive in and learn about Dan and his journey.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/248

In this episode, Sarah dives into how toxic workplaces—especially law firms—can lead to deep-rooted self-doubt and self-gaslighting. She breaks down the ways negative environments distort our sense of self-worth and confidence, making it feel impossible to see a way out.For those who feel trapped in a cycle of self-doubt, Sarah shares insights into how leaving a toxic legal environment can help you reconnect with your strengths and reclaim your confidence. If you're questioning whether it's time to move on, this episode is a must-listen.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/247

In this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, host Sarah Cottrell talks with David Sazant, a former litigator who transitioned from practicing law to becoming a therapist. David shares how he recognized that his legal career was not in line with his personal values and explains the process he went through to make the leap into mental health. For those considering a career outside of the legal profession, especially in therapy, David's story offers valuable insights and inspiration.Throughout their conversation, David discusses the challenges he faced as a lawyer, the sense of unfulfillment that led him to leave litigation, and the importance of living in alignment with one's values. This episode provides an honest look at what it takes to make a significant career shift, making it a must-listen for any lawyer feeling stuck and seeking a new path.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/246

In this episode, Sarah dives into the toxic environment many law firms create by pushing junior associates to take responsibility for generating work they have no control over. She exposes how leadership fails to support their teams, leading to stress and anxiety for those just starting their legal careers. If you're tired of being blamed for a lack of billables, this episode is for you. Plus, learn how to take action and explore new career options.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/245

In this episode, Sarah revisits a conversation with her client, Adrian Hern, who shares her journey through The Collab and the Collab Plus One-on-One Program.Adrian opens up about her experience as a lawyer stuck in a toxic work environment, how she found her way to a new career, and the life-changing results, including a 40% salary increase. If you're worried that leaving the law means sacrificing your income or identity, this episode is a must-listen to see how making a change is not only possible but can lead to even greater success.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/212

Have you ever wondered why all your hard work at the firm isn't paying off the way you expected? In this episode, Sarah exposes the myth of meritocracy in law firms and how it fuels imposter syndrome for even the most accomplished lawyers. She reveals the hidden reasons behind why your efforts might be going unrecognized and shares how you can break free from the toxic environment that's holding you back. If you're tired of questioning your worth and ready to see the truth, hit play and reclaim your confidence.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/244

In this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, host Sarah Cottrell shares a conversation with Annie Little about disclosing ADHD and other neurodivergent or mental health conditions in the workplace, specifically within Biglaw. As October is ADHD Awareness Month, Sarah highlights the challenges lawyers face when considering disclosure and the systemic issues in law firms that often fail to provide adequate support. Tune in for an insightful discussion about the complexities of navigating legal careers with ADHD and the importance of creating supportive work environments.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/207

In this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, Sarah Cottrell tackles a topic that has been coming up in many of her conversations with clients: the overwhelming feeling that you just don't want to work anymore. If you've ever felt like you hate working and can't imagine enjoying any job, especially after working in a toxic legal environment, this episode is for you. Sarah discusses how burnout, particularly in lawyers, can make you feel like you're broken, but she's here to tell you—you're not. She explains why these feelings are common and how recovery is possible.Drawing on her experiences working with lawyers in her Collab program, Sarah highlights the importance of giving yourself time and space to recover from burnout.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/243If you are looking for support between the self-paced nature of the Collab and working with Sara one-on-one, then what you are looking for is the guided track.The Guided Track is a live eight weeks small group intensive for lawyers who want to jumpstart their search for an alternative career, starting on October 4th, and running through November 22nd.Enroll at formerlawyer.com/guidedtrack

In this episode of The Former Lawyer Podcast, Sarah Cottrell talks with Victoria Collier, founder of Quid Pro Quo Law, about the process of preparing a law firm for sale. Victoria shares her own journey, from building her practice to successfully selling it, and offers critical insights into the steps lawyers can take to make their firms scalable and attractive to buyers. From establishing processes and delegating tasks to cleaning up financials, Victoria breaks down the key factors that make a law firm a valuable asset.Whether you're a law firm owner thinking about your long-term exit strategy or simply curious about what goes into selling a legal practice, this episode is packed with actionable advice. Learn how to position your firm for sale, maximize its value, and set yourself up for a successful transition beyond the law.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/242If you are looking for support between the self-paced nature of the Collab and working with Sara one-on-one, then what you are looking for is the guided track.The Guided Track is a live eight weeks small group intensive for lawyers who want to jumpstart their search for an alternative career, starting on October 4th, and running through November 22nd.Enroll at formerlawyer.com/guidedtrack

The Former Lawyer framework has recently received a glow-up, and this podcast episode covers all the fun updates. Sarah has a few things that stuck out to her and would be the most helpful to anyone considering becoming a former lawyer. She covers those items in this episode to highlight them for all the podcast listeners considering joining.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/241If you are looking for support between the self-paced nature of the Collab and working with Sara one-on-one, then what you are looking for is the guided track.The Guided Track is a live eight weeks small group intensive for lawyers who want to jumpstart their search for an alternative career, starting on October 4th, and running through November 22nd.Enroll at formerlawyer.com/guidedtrack

Today's podcast episode features a conversation between Sarah and a member of the Collab, Liza Hanks. Liza made a career transition out of practicing law after 22 years, and they discussed how the Collab played a role in her transition and decision-making process. This conversation is helpful for anyone considering making their transition out of law and looking for some assistance in the process. The Collab has undergone some fantastic updates recently, and it's a perfect time to join. Read on to learn how it helped Liza ask the right questions.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/240The price to join the Former Lawyer Collaborative, which is my self-paced group program for lawyers who are trying to figure out what it is that they want to do that is not practicing law, is going up on September 13th. Learn more about our recent revamp and enroll at formerlawyer.com/collab before the price increase on Friday, September 13th

You may have worked in a workplace or more than one legal workplace where they said that they had a no-asshole rule.Clearly, there are many people who have worked in similar workplaces because this episode is one of the most downloaded episodes. Again, it's one of the ones I hear about the most from people because there is so much agreement with the fact that the no-asshole rule is, in fact, a myth. Here are my thoughts about the no-asshole rule.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/139Learn the framework that I use with my clients to help them figure out what it is that they want to do that is not practicing law, in a brand new live masterclass on Friday, September 6th. Reserve your seat now at formerlawyer.com/masterclass.

The next episode in our summer re-release series is Burnout is a Feature, Not a Bug. This is one of the things that I honestly think is the most important for you to realize if you are working in a toxic workplace, if you're working in a large law firm, or in Biglaw. Burnout is a feature of the way that work is organized in these organizations, it is not something that inexplicably happens that you could have some of life hacked your way out of.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/93Learn the framework that I use with my clients to help them figure out what it is that they want to do that is not practicing law, in a brand new live masterclass on Friday, September 6th. Reserve your seat now at formerlawyer.com/masterclass.

I originally recorded the episode Your Job Should Not Make You Cry back in the very early days of lockdown when I was still editing the podcast myself and needed to be able to edit some shorter episodes, which ultimately I discovered was a happy accident because this episode is one of the most popular episodes of the podcast.It is one of the most downloaded. It comes up all the time. I hear all the time from people who have sent it to friends and coworkers because apparently there are a lot of us who need to be reminded that your job should not make you cry. If that doesn't tell you something about our profession, I don't know what will. Here is the next episode in our summer re-release series, Your Job Should Not Make You Cry.

The next episode in our summer re-release series is one of the episodes from our Collab member question series. If you've listened to this series before, you know that I asked a bunch of different people in the Collab to answer some questions about their experience, what they've learned, the things that they have taken away from the process of figuring out what it is that they want to do that isn't practicing law. This series gets mentioned to me very frequently when people reach out to me. So I wanted to bring it back and highlight it. In each episode, you are going to hear a number of people who are answering the same question. In this episode, the question that people will be answering is, “What is one thing that you resisted doing in this process of figuring out what it is that they wanted to do that isn't practicing law, that they wish they had done sooner?”Listen to the rest of the Collab Member SeriesFormer Lawyers Share an Obvious Thing that was Transformative Myths Former Lawyers Believed Before Leaving the Law What Has Been the Biggest Surprise for Former Lawyers in the Collab? What Would Former Lawyer Collab Members Tell Themselves Five Years Ago Why These Former Lawyers Decided to Join the Guided Track 

Next up in this summer series of the most popular episodes of The Former Lawyer Podcast is an episode that I did about malignant narcissism in the legal profession and specifically signs of malignant narcissism because no surprise, narcissists are very common in our profession and a lot of the things that you experience in your legal workplace that seem honestly a bit crazy making are frequently the result of working with a narcissist or multiple narcissists or being in a narcissistic system.In this episode that you're about to listen to, I talked a bit about what the characteristics even are of narcissism and in particular, malignant narcissism, and how to identify it. See show notes at formerlawyer.com/127

The reason that I recorded this episode originally is that so often when lawyers are thinking about leaving, one of the things that holds them back from leaving especially if they work in a law firm is that other people are going to look down on them and think that they're making a terrible decision, et cetera.I think it's critical to remember, as I talk about in this episode, especially if you are not wanting to be in a law firm long term, that not fitting in is actually a good thing. Let's get into this episode, which is one of the most popular episodes of the podcast.

Today we're kicking off a summer series with episodes of the podcast that have been released over the past, well, honestly, almost five years the podcast has been going. These episodes that we're going to be re-releasing are all episodes that have been extremely popular, they're some of the most downloaded, or they're some of the ones that I hear the most about from people.This first episode that we're releasing the series is the first of a previous series that we did, which was based on the book Bullshit Jobs. This is a series that I did with Annie Little, one of my good friends, who's also a former lawyer and a career coach. Complete Bullshit Jobs Series Is Being A Lawyer A Bullshit Job? The Misery of Ambiguity and Forced Pretense in Law Firms The Artificial Power Structure and Feeling Helpless as a Lawyer with Annie Little The Misery of Not Feeling Entitled to One's Misery as a Lawyer The Misery of Knowing That One Is Doing Harm as a Lawyer 

In today's episode, Sarah addresses a common question that lawyers who are looking to leave their positions often ask: Will you need a bridge job to make the transition?Sara answers by first discussing the two types of bridge jobs and what lawyers need to consider when answering this question for themselves.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/239

Today's podcast episode features a conversation between Sarah and someone who is not actually a former lawyer. Tiffany Rogers is a therapist based in Chicago. She specializes in working with women in the corporate world, specifically Black women. With so much discussion about therapy on many podcast episodes, it's great to feature a conversation with someone in that field. See show notes at formerlawyer.com/238

In today's podcast episode, Sarah shares the hardest thing about leaving the law. She's talked to many clients, peers, podcast guests, and people in her life; everyone encounters their own unique obstacles. However, the biggest thing keeping people from making a change is the practical reality. Lawyers get stuck trying to figure out things on the front end, like reworking resumes or convincing someone they can work in a role other than a lawyer. People get stuck in the process of the practical things that get you a new job. This is the part that many assume will be the most challenging.  However, Sarah has found that the hardest thing about leaving the law is the emotional part. See show notes at formerlawyer.com/237

In today's podcast episode, Sarah is chatting with Kelcey Baker, a returning guest. Their conversation reviews why it isn't normal to want a break from work so bad that you think about getting hit by a bus. Yes, that's a common expression within lawyer networks. There is a trigger warning because the conversation dives into narcissism, abuse, self-harm, and suicidal thoughts. It's an important discussion if you've ever had thoughts like this flash through your mind.See show notes at formerlawyer.com/236

In today's episode, Sarah offers important advice to listeners. While practicing law, she constantly thought about what she wanted to do outside the law. But then her brain would start telling her everything that would make it a bad fit and instantly become negative.Lawyers are just trained to do this, and it's important that you recognize that ahead of time.Stop telling yourself that something isn't going to work before you've actually spent any time looking into it. People start worrying about finances and skills they don't think they have, and begin convincing themselves that it's a bad idea.Sarah calls this “Lawyering yourself.” You take an idea and then prematurely decide it's impossible. See show notes at formerlawyer.com/235