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We have another guest this week! Our GTM Engineering Lead, Xander Broeffle joins us for a conversation on various tools and tech and how they are adapting in today's market. First, could Zoominfo be back from the dead with their new GTM.ai? Can agents find this data without ZI or does ZI have an edge? Then, Xander covers some Clay use cases we've been seeing in clients and discusses recent updates. Finally, can Marketo turn the ship around and release actually useful AI features? Let's dive in! This week: 0:00 Intro 5:00 ZoomInfo's new GTM.AI 21:05 Clay Updates 39:30 Can Marketo Turn the Ship Around? Hear more from us: Subscribe to us on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN-x5u0G03LWmU0Ds_4zR8w Subscribe to our newsletter here: https://www.cs2marketing.com/revenue-growth-architects#subscribe-to-newsletter Follow Crissy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/crveteresaunders/ Follow Charlie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliesaunders/

Wolfie looks at the latest transfer news and could Mateta be heading to Nottingham Forest? OKAY JERSEY Get your football shirts for only £15! - https://okayjersey.com/ Use Code "FFTV" For 8% OFF! Welcome back to Forest Fan TV with Wolfie! In today's episode, we are diving deep into a massive summer transfer window update as Nottingham Forest look to seriously upgrade the squad. First up, the big news on everyone's radar: our interest has officially been reignited for Crystal Palace frontman Jean-Philippe Mateta! We break down what it would take to bring the powerhouse striker to the City Ground this summer and why he might just be the clinical edge we need. But that's not all—Forest are moving fast in the market and are heavily linked with a major move for AS Roma's breakout Polish defender, Jan Ziółkowski. Rumours are swirling that a potential £17 million deal is actively in discussion as the club looks to secure the highly-rated 20-year-old centre-back ahead of our Premier League rivals. What do you make of these targets, Reds? Let us know your thoughts on Mateta and Ziółkowski in the comments below, and don't forget to like and subscribe for more exclusive Forest content! #nffc #premierleague #crystalpalace Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Podcast o Polakach w Serie A. Zieliński odbiera medal za mistrzostwo. Skorupski wraca do bramki Bologni i ratuje ją w ostatniej akcji meczu. Ziółkowski z epizodem w derbach Rzymu. Buksa nie pomaga Udinese w starciu z walczącym o utrzymanie Cremonese. Spaghetti Polognese serwuje Kacper Staszczyszyn.

Ramazanlarda, orucu açıp birkaç lokma aldıktan sonra akşam namazı cemaatle eda edilir, ondan sonra yemek yenir. İstanbullu edebî, yazılı, zengin Türkçe bilir. Konuşurken ve yazarken yanlış yapmaz. İstanbullu faydasız, boş, mâlâyâni konuşmaz. Söylerse hikmetli ve lüzumlu şeyler konuşur ve söyler. Asla zevzeklik ve gevezelik yapmaz. Kibar İstanbullu "ulan, yuh, be, aha oha, kral" gibi kaba kelimeleri ve ünlemleri kullanmaz. İstanbullu lâf olsun diye saçma sapan, dam üstünde saksağan, vur beline kazmayı cinsinden aptalca sorular sormaz. Soruları incelik doludur. Bana bir soru yönelt senin kim olduğunu söyleyeyim... Bir adamda veya kadında İstanbul terbiye ve kültürünün olup olmadığı, konuşmasından ve yönelttiği sorulardan anlaşılır. Bazı soruları sormak çok ayıptır. İstanbullular Mekke demezler Mekke-i mükerreme, Medine demezler Medine-i münevvere, Şam-ı şerif, Kuds-i şerif, Haleb-i Şehba derler. Beyazıt camiine gittim demezler, Beyazıt Cami-i Şerifine gittim derlerdi. Merhum Ord. Prof. Dr. Ali Fuad Başgil üstadımız ziyaretine giden yirmi küsur yaşındaki gençlere beyefendi diye hitab ederdi. İstanbullu Allahü Teala, Peygamber-i Zişan, Kuran-ı azimüşşan, evrad-ı şerif diyerek saygılı konuşur. Gerçek bir İstanbullu, kendi şeyhine ettiği hürmeti öteki şeyhlere de eder. Ulemadan, fukahadan, meşayihten hiçbirine saygısızlık etmez. İstanbul kültüründe paylaşma ve infak fazilet ve hasleti vardır. Eski Ramazanlarda konakların kapıları herkese açık olurmuş İstanbullu bir Müslümanın evinde, zenginse orijinal hatlı ve tezhipli, bütçesi darsa matbaa baskısı bir Hilye-i Şerif levhası, başka hatlar (ayetler, hadisler, kelam-ı kibar, hikmetli mısra, beyit ve kıtalar) bulunur. Bir tarikata girmiş, bir şeyhten el almış İstanbullu büyük lüzum olmadıkça söylemez, reklam yapmaz. (Mehmet Şevket Eygi)

Podcast o Polakach w Serie A. Asysta Zielińskiego pieczętuje scudetto Interu. Dobry występ Walukiewicza w starciu z Milanem. Buksa wraca do pierwszego składu po ponad dwóch miesiącach. Zalewski wraca na wahadło. Ziółkowski i Przyborek w tarapatach. Spaghetti Polognese serwuje Kacper Staszczyszyn.

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Today, we check in a year after the first Unsupervised Learning x Latent Space Crossover special to discuss everything that has changed (there is a lot) in the world of AI. This episode was recorded just after AIE Europe, but before the Cursor-xAI deal.Unsupervised Learning is a podcast that interviews the sharpest minds in AI about what's real today, what will be real in the future and what it means for businesses and the world - helping builders, researchers and founders deconstruct and understand the biggest breakthroughs.Thanks to Jacob and the UL production team for hosting and editing this!Jacob Effron* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacobeffron/* X: https://x.com/jacobeffronFull Episode on Their YouTubeWe discuss:* swyx's view from the center of the AI engineering zeitgeist: OpenClaw, harness engineering, context engineering, evals, observability, GPUs, multimodality, and why conference tracks now reveal what matters most in AI* Whether AI infrastructure has finally stabilized: why “skills” may be the minimal viable packaging format for agents, why infra companies have had to reinvent themselves every year, and why application companies have had an easier time surviving model volatility* The vertical vs. horizontal AI startup debate: why application companies can act as the outsourced AI team for enterprises, why some horizontal companies still matter, and why sandboxes may be the clearest reinvention of classic cloud infrastructure for the AI era* The “agent lab” playbook: starting with frontier models, specializing for your domain, then training your own models once you have enough data, workload, and user behavior to justify the cost and latency savings* Why domain-specific model training is real, not just marketing: how companies like Cursor and Cognition can get users to choose their in-house models, and why search, domain specialization, and distillation are becoming more important* Open models, custom chips, and alternative inference infrastructure: why swyx has turned more bullish on open source, why non-NVIDIA hardware is suddenly getting real attention, and why every 10x speedup can unlock new product experiences* What it means to sell to agents instead of humans: why agent experience may mostly just be good developer experience by another name, why APIs and docs matter more than ever, and how pretraining-data incumbents are compounding advantages in an agent-first world* Why memory and personalization may become the next big wedge: today's models mostly reward frequency of mentions, but in the future, swyx expects product choice to be shaped much more by personalized memory systems* The state of the AI coding wars: why coding has become one of the largest and fastest-growing categories in AI, how Anthropic, OpenAI, Cursor, and Cognition have all ridden the wave, and why the category may still have more room to run* Capability exploration vs. efficiency: why the industry is still in a token-maxing, experiment-heavy phase where people are rewarded for spending more rather than less* Claude Code vs. Codex and the strange stickiness of coding products: why first magical product experiences may matter more than expected, and why the bigger mystery may be why only a few names have emerged as real winners so far* What the end state of the coding market might look like: two major players, a longer tail of niche products, and possible disruption if Microsoft, Mistral, xAI, or the Chinese labs push harder into coding* Where application companies still have room against the labs: why frontier labs are trying to expand into verticals like finance and healthcare, but still leave space for focused companies that own the workflow and the last mile* Why coding may be a preview of every other AI market: the first category to truly go parabolic, the clearest example of foundation model companies colliding with application companies, and a template for how future vertical AI markets may develop* Why AI valuations now feel unbounded: from billion-dollar ARR products built in a year to trillion-dollar market caps, swyx and Jacob unpack how the AI market has broken traditional startup intuitions about scale and durability* Consumer AI vs. coding AI: why ChatGPT's consumer category may have plateaued on frequency and product design, while coding continues to feel like a daily-use category with real momentum* The next product frontier beyond coding: consumer agents, computer use, and “coding agents breaking containment,” with swyx's thesis that 2025 was the year of coding agents and 2026 may be the year they begin to do everything else* Whether foundation models are really killing startup categories: why swyx is less worried for early founders, more worried for mid-size startups and traditional SaaS, and why building something ambitious may now be the best job interview for a frontier lab* AI vs. SaaS and the internal culture war around adoption: the tension between AI-native employees who want to rip out expensive software and skeptics who think quick AI-built replacements create fragile systems* Why traditional SaaS may be under real pressure: swyx's own experience spending six figures on event and sponsor management software, the temptation to rebuild it cheaply with AI, and the broader question of whether teams will trust custom AI-native replacements* Biosafety, security, and frontier model access: why swyx raised biosafety at a dinner with Anthropic's Mike Krieger, why Krieger argued security is the bigger issue, and what restricted model releases reveal about Anthropic vs. OpenAI* The era of giant models: why 10T+ parameter systems may only be a temporary rationing phase before bigger clusters arrive, why labs may increasingly keep their most powerful models private for distillation, and why scale alone no longer feels like a complete answer* Memory as the slowest scaling factor in AI: why context windows have improved far more slowly than people hoped, why million-token context still has not changed most real workflows, and why memory may be the key bottleneck for the next generation of systems* What swyx changed his mind on in the past year: becoming more bullish on open models, more convinced that the top tier of agent startups behaves very differently from the median AI company, and more optimistic about fine-tuning and specialized model adaptation* “Dark factories” and zero-human-review coding: the next frontier after zero human-written code, where models not only write the code but ship it without human review, forcing companies to rethink testing and verification from first principles* Why RL and post-training may matter more than people assumed: even if the resulting models get thrown out every few months, the data, workflows, and domain-specific improvements persist* Synthetic rubrics, Doctor GRPO, and multi-turn RL: why reinforcement learning is becoming much more domain-specific and multi-step than many people realize, opening the door to much deeper customization* The next frontier after coding: memory, personalization, and world models, including why swyx thinks world models matter not just for robotics or gaming, but for giving AI something closer to lived understanding* Fei-Fei Li, spatial intelligence, and the Good Will Hunting analogy: the idea that today's LLMs may know everything by reading it all, but still lack the lived experience that turns knowledge into a deeper kind of intelligenceTimestamps* 00:00:00 Intro preview: AI coding wars, startup pressure, and market structure* 00:00:28 Welcome to the Latent Space × Unsupervised Learning crossover* 00:01:17 What AI builders are focused on now: OpenClaw, harnesses, and infra* 00:04:33 Why AI infra is harder than apps, and where startups can still win* 00:06:39 Should companies train their own models?* 00:09:28 Open models, custom chips, and the new inference race* 00:11:25 Designing products for agents, not just humans* 00:16:49 The state of the AI coding wars in 2026* 00:19:27 Capability exploration, token-maxing, and why coding is going parabolic* 00:21:41 What the end state of the coding market could look like* 00:23:50 Where app companies still have room against the labs* 00:27:02 Why AI valuations and market swings feel unprecedented* 00:28:56 Consumer AI vs. coding AI, and why sticky products still matter* 00:32:28 What the next breakthrough product experience might be* 00:32:53 2026 thesis: coding agents break containment and eat the world* 00:35:27 Are foundation models wiping out startup categories?* 00:37:33 AI vs. SaaS, vibe coding, and internal team tensions* 00:40:01 Biosafety, security, and the politics of restricted model releases* 00:42:19 Giant models, compute constraints, and the limits of scale* 00:44:30 Memory as the real bottleneck in AI* 00:44:57 Why swyx changed his mind on open models* 00:47:44 Dark factories and the future of zero-human-review coding* 00:49:36 Why post-training and RL may matter more than people think* 00:51:50 Memory, world models, and the next frontier of intelligence* 00:53:54 The Good Will Hunting analogy for LLMs* 00:54:21 OutroTranscript[00:00:00] swyx: Isn't that crazy? That number is just mind boggling.[00:00:03] Jacob Effron: What is the state of the AI coding wars today?[00:00:05] swyx: We're in a phase of sort of like capability exploration. The general thesis that I have been pursuing now is that the same way that 2025 was a year coding agents 2026 is coding agents breaking containments to do everything else.[00:00:16] Jacob Effron: Do you worry about the foundation models just getting into a bunch of these startup categories?[00:00:21] swyx: Mid-size startups. Yes.[00:00:23] Jacob Effron: What do you think the end state of this market is[00:00:25] swyx: for the market structure to, to significantly change? There would be[00:00:28] Jacob Effron: today on unsupervised learning. We had a, a fun episode and what's really become an annual tradition, a crossover episode with our friends at Latent space.Swix and I sat down and we talked about everything happening in the AI ecosystem today. What we thought of the various changes at the model layer, what's happening in the infra world, the coding wars, and a bunch of other things. It's a ton of fun to do this with someone I really respect and another great podcaster in the game.Without further ado, here's our episode. Well switch. This is, uh, super fun to be back with another unsupervised learning, uh, latent space crossover episode.[00:01:02] swyx: Yeah,[00:01:02] Jacob Effron: I feel like a lot of places we could start, but you know, one thing I always find fascinating, uh, about the way you spend your time is you obviously are like at the epicenter of this engineering movement and community, and you run these events and conferences and put on these.Awesome talks and, and I think just have a great pulse on the zeitgeist of what's going on.[00:01:16] swyx: Yeah.[00:01:17] Jacob Effron: Maybe to, to start just what are the biggest topics people are thinking about right now?[00:01:21] swyx: Yeah, so I just came back from London, uh, where we did a IE Europe and we're doing roughly one per quarter now, which Yeah, you've[00:01:27] Jacob Effron: really up[00:01:27] swyx: the, hopefully[00:01:28] Jacob Effron: up the, up the pace.[00:01:29] swyx: It's trying. We're trying to match AI speed, youknow?[00:01:30] Jacob Effron: Yeah, exactly. The tops would be completely different, I imagine. Uh,[00:01:33] swyx: yeah. You know, I definitely curate the tracks, like you can see what I think. When you see the track list and the, the speakers that I invite, obviously Open Claw is like the story of the last four or five months, and then be, be just below that.I would consider harness engineering, context engineering to be two related topics in agents and rag. And then there's a long tail of Evergreen stuff like evals, observability, GPUs, uh, and uh, LM infra and just general, just in general. We also have other updates on like multimodality and, uh, generative media, let's call it.Um, but I definitely, the, the first three that I mentioned are top of mind people. Yeah.[00:02:13] Jacob Effron: I think harness is particular like, so interesting. Um, you know, there was this tweet from Harrison Chase, the, the lane chain, CEO, that, that caught my eye recently where he said, you know, it finally feels like we have stability, uh, around the infrastructure for, uh, you know, around ai.And I think what. He basically was implying his like, look over the past two, three years as a company at the epicenter of AI infrastructure, it was a bit like playing whack-a-mole, right? You were constantly moving around with, however, the building patterns were evolving[00:02:36] swyx: for Harrison for sure. Right? Like he's basically had to reinvent the company every year since he started Lang Chain.Right? It was Lang chain, Ang graph and LP agents and like, uh, I think he's like one of the most nimble, adept sharp people about this. Yeah. Yeah.[00:02:49] Jacob Effron: Saying now, now is finally the time stability[00:02:51] swyx: this. Yeah.[00:02:52] Jacob Effron: Yeah. Um, do you buy that or what have you kind of make of that take?[00:02:56] swyx: I think that. It, it's very expensive to say this Time is different sometimes, but when you're just writing code, like it's actually okay to just like try to make a call and I think it may not even matter if this call is right or not.Like I just don't even care that much because you can be right on a thesis, but if you don't, you don't figure out how to monetize the thesis, then who cares if you said something first that said, um, it does feel like, for example. Uh, we went through a lot of different ways of passion packaging integrations up with, uh, with agents.And it feels like we've landed at skills, which is like the minimal viable format. Yeah. Which is just a markdown file, uh, with some scripts attached to it, and I don't see how it can be more simple than that. And so there is some justification for. The stability around harnesses. I feel like there may be more adaptation with regards to maybe like the real time elements or subagents or memory or any of those like agent disciplines, let's call it in, in agent engineering.Uh, but if, if the thesis is that, okay, you just want agents are LMS with tools in the loop with a file system, what they can do. Retrieval with, with skills and all these like standard tooling that now seems to be relatively consensus then probably. That makes sense. Um, I just think like there's no point trying to stake your reputation on this thesis that we're there because if it changes again, just change with it.It's fine.[00:04:33] Jacob Effron: Yeah. It's always, you know, I've always been struck by how that is. Much more challenging for infrastructure companies and application companies. Like obviously I think, yeah. You know, on the application side you've seen, you know, Brett Taylor from Sierra Max, from Lara. Like, they're like, look, we build, you know, what's ahead of the models and we're willing to throw everything out every three months, you know, as the models get better and better.Exactly. Yeah. But the thing you at least have there is you have. Uh, you have an end customer, right? That's like decently sticky. Um, you know, they will mostly stick, you know, they'll, they'll give you a shot at least of, of building these things. What I've always found more challenging, uh, at, at the kind of like, you know, reinvent yourself every three months of the infrastructure layer, it's like, you know, developers are definitely a, a pickier audience maybe than an accounting firm or, uh, you know, a bank.Yeah. And so it's definitely a, a, a more challenging position to be in to, to have to constantly reinvent yourself.[00:05:17] swyx: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and like when they turn, it's like. Very complete. Like, they'll leave to like the, the hot new thing, uh, because there's like no defensibility, I guess. Like e even, even if you are a database, like, uh, people can migrate workloads off databases.Like it's, it's a, it's a known thing. Uh, so I think like basically what we're talking about is the vertical versus horizontal, uh, debate in, in AI startups. And uh, the way I think about it also is just that like when you are. Um, Lara, when you are a bridge, like you are the outsource AI team, right? You, you are, your job is to apply whatever state ofthe art AI methods.[00:05:55] Jacob Effron: Yeah. Like this translation layer between model capabilities and your[00:05:57] swyx: own customers. Yeah. To, to the end customers and like, well, if they didn't have you, they would've to hire in house and they're not gonna hire in house so they have you. And like, I think that's like a reasonable, like very robust to any whatever trends and, and discoveries that people make in, in the engineering layer.I do think like there is, um. It like sort of useful horizontal companies being built, but they're all. Very much like, sort of like the reinventions of classic cloud in the AI era and the, the primary one being sandboxes. Yeah. Um, which like, it's another form of compute guys, like, let's not get too excited about it.But I mean, like the, the workloads are enormous.[00:06:38] Jacob Effron: Right.[00:06:38] swyx: Yeah.[00:06:39] Jacob Effron: It's interesting, and I feel like as, as part of this, you know, the questions that folks are asking around infrastructure, there's a lot around, you know, the extent to which companies should have their own AI teams and what they should be doing in-house.And, you know, uh, I think there's questions around should people be training their own models? Should people be doing, you know, rl, uh, in-house based on the data they have? I feel like, you know, one has to evolve their takes on this every, every three months with paces. But where, where are you at on this today?[00:07:00] swyx: I think, well, I mean actually all models have gone up. Um, and obviously I'm involved in cognition and also cursors doing, doing, uh, a lot of own model training. And I think that that is some part of the, what I've been calling the agent lab playbook, where you start off with the state of the art models from, uh, from the big labs and you, uh, specialize for your domain.But once you have enough workload and enough high quality data from your users, then you can obviously train your own models and like save a lot on cost and latency and all that, all that good stuff. Um, you also get like a marketing bonus of like calling it some fancy name and putting out some research[00:07:38] Jacob Effron: from my seat.I can't tell how much of it is like actual, you know, value that's provided to the end user. And how much of it is that marketing bonus? Right. It seems some combination of the[00:07:45] swyx: I think it's both.[00:07:46] Jacob Effron: Yeah.[00:07:46] swyx: Um, no, no. There, there actually is real value. Um, and you, you know that for a number of reasons. Like one, even when it's not subsidized, people do choose it as like one of the top four or five.This is both composer two and, uh, suite 1.6 I one of the top five models. Like in a, in a fair market? In a free market, yeah. In a, in a, in a model switch. Or people do choose it and like, it's not subsidized. Like, so that's as good as it gets. Uh, but beyond that, like domain specific models, for example. For search with, with both, which both companies have absolutely makes, makes a ton of sense.Everyone says like, yeah, we should always, always do this. And honestly like, I think the infrastructure for that is becoming easier with, um, like thinking machines tinker thing as well as primary like, uh, lab stuff. Yeah, I mean like, this is one of those like reversal of the, the bitter lesson where you first bootstrap on the large models and the general purpose models to get big.And as you get very well-defined workloads that are just high quantity but not high variance, um, then you just distill down to a smaller model and run that on your own. Right. Which like totally makes sense.[00:08:50] Jacob Effron: What I'm less clear on is the kind of DIY RL use case, which I think is really mostly around, you know, improved, uh, quality for, for different things.Obviously there's probably like more efficient ways to, you know, get a smaller model that's that's faster and cheaper. And it'll be interesting to see whether. You know, obviously you had, you know, uh, two, three years ago this whole case of companies that were, you know, pre-training and claiming better outcomes in, in their domains than getting kind of cooked as each model iteration improved.You know, I wonder whether that's a, a similar story plays out in the, uh, in, in the, our all space. Yeah, for the focus on, on on pure outcomes and quality, not the cost side, which clearly your own models for cost at scale makes a ton of sense.[00:09:28] swyx: I think there are this, there are two sides of the same coin.Like you basically always want to hold, uh, quality constant or trade off a little bit of quality for a drastic decreasing cost. And that's true for everyone. Uh, one element I wanted to bring out, which is very much in favor of open models, is custom chips. So this would be cereus, but also talu. And then there's a huge range of stuff in between.This has been a huge story this past year on just like everything non Nvidia is getting bid up, including like freaking MatX is working for, which is very, which is very rewarding for me, but I think one of those things where like, oh, like the suddenly, because the number of alternative. Hard, uh, hardware is increasing and the inference that you can get is insanely high.Like, um, we're talking thousands of tokens per second instead of less than a hundred. So the trade off for qua quality doesn't hold as much anymore because the speed is so high.[00:10:24] Jacob Effron: Have you seen a lot of companies go all in on the alternative chip?[00:10:26] swyx: So cognition has Yeah. On Cerebras, uh, and, and so has OpenAIUm, uh, and so no, I don't think so beyond that, uh, and that, do you think that's like a, that's mostly, that's foreshadowing of, that's, yeah. I used to be kind of a skeptic in terms of like, okay, so what if I get my inference at a hundred to a hundred tokens per second sped up to 200 tokens per second. It's only two X faster.It's not that big a deal. Um, but when you, uh, I think every 10 x does unlock a different usage pattern. Um, and you, we have proof in Talas and, and some of the others. That you can actually, um, drastically imp improve inference speed and what happens from there? I don't even really know, like it's, it's so hard to predict when entire applications just appear at once.Yeah. Uh, and it also isn't that expensive, right? So like, um, this is one of those things where like, I, I think the, the investment cycle is gonna be multi-year. Um, and I. Would caution people to not dismiss it too, too quickly.[00:11:25] Jacob Effron: Yeah. I mean, one other like infra question I was curious to get your thoughts on is obviously it seems increasingly a lot of the cutting edge infra companies are building for agents as the buyers of their product or users of their product, right?[00:11:35] swyx: Ooh,[00:11:36] Jacob Effron: and[00:11:37] swyx: another huge theme. Yeah. Yeah.[00:11:38] Jacob Effron: And I'm trying to figure out like what. What, what do you have to do differently about selling into agents? Um, are they just the ultimate rational developers? Uh, or is there, you know,[00:11:46] swyx: no, absolutely not. Um, I think they are easily prompt, injected and, uh, very tuned towards like, basically com compounding existing winners.[00:11:57] Jacob Effron: Yeah,[00:11:57] swyx: so like if, like, congrats if you won the lottery for getting into the training data right before 2023, because now you're like installed in there for the foreseeable future. But yeah. Uh, you know, one stat that Versal, uh, CTO Malta dropped at my conference was that there are now, uh, 60% of traffic to Elle's, um, like app arch, like admin app architecture for like configuring versal applications, uh, is bought.It's not, it's not human. Uh, so like your primary customer is agents now. Um, and it's mostly co like mostly coding agents, mostly people using CLI on CP or whatever. But yeah, I mean, I think. More. I, I think step one, if it doesn't exist as an API that agents can use, it doesn't exist. Right, right. Which I think is like, uh, it's a good hygiene thing anyway, to, to make everything API available, but not as like an extra, um.Push on like products, people to not only work on the ui, um, you should probably work on the on SCLI stuff. Beyond that, I think honestly there is like, so I, I come from the sensibility of, I think everything that you are trying to do for agents experience now, which is the term that Matt Bowman and Nullify is trying to coin, is the same thing that you should have been doing for developer experience.That you should have had good docs, you should have had a consistent API, uh, that is. Mostly stateless. Um, you should have, I guess, discoverable or progressive disclosure or like search or like whatever. And so now that people have energy in like finding these customers to do that, that's great. Um, do I believe in.Extending beyond that into something like a EO, um, for gaming The chatbots? Not necessarily, but obviously there's gonna be huge advantages when people who figure out the short term wins. Yeah. And short term wins can compound.[00:13:43] Jacob Effron: Do you think these compounding advantages to like the, the pre-training data cutoff companies, like, you know, obviously over some period of time, I imagine that doesn't persist.And so as you think about like. I dunno, three, four years from now what the, you know, selection criteria end up being. Do you think it still mirrors exactly what you were saying before? Like it's exactly what you should have been doing all along to sell a good product to developers?[00:14:01] swyx: It could be, except that I think in three, four years we'll probably have much better memory and personalization.So then general a EO or GEO doesn't really matter as much. So I think whatever memory or personalization system we end up with will probably d determine what you end up choosing much more. Than, than what is currently the case, which is just frequency of mentions, let's call it. Yeah,[00:14:26] Jacob Effron: yeah.[00:14:26] swyx: Uh, so you just spa quantity and I think that's, I mean, that's something I'm looking forward to.I do think, like, like, you know, I, I think that the fundamental exercise to work through for yourself is if you start a new, um, sort of. Uh, disruptor company. Now there's a, there's a big incumbent that everyone knows, like, like superb base. Super base is like, kind of like the Postgres, like database, uh, incumbent.If you wanna start like new superb base, how would you compete with them? And I don't necessarily have the answer, but I, I, I do think like people, like resend like relatively new. I think they would start like 20, 23 and still there was, there was a recent survey where like, people. Checked what Claude recommends by default.If you just don't prompt it with anything, just say, gimme an email provider and says, resent as in like 70, 70% of each cases. Like the fact that you can get in there with like such a relatively short existence, I think is, is encouraging.[00:15:14] Jacob Effron: Yeah.[00:15:14] swyx: I do think like. Um, you do want to do whatever it is to, to like to, to get in that Very short mentions this because, um, it's not gonna be 20 of them, it's gonna be like three.[00:15:26] Jacob Effron: No, definitely. It feels like, uh, you know, probably more, more consolidation than ever. Uh, or, or kind of like, you know, uh, a winner take most market than maybe the, the, the physics of go-to market in the past. Yeah. Might have, uh, enabled.[00:15:38] swyx: The other thing also is like, semantic association is gonna be very important, uh, in the sense that like, you want to do like the combo articles where you're like, use my thing with for sale, with blah, blah.And like that all gets picked up in a, in a corpus. And so that's. Probably one thing that you, you wanna do? Well, I don't know what else. Uh, it's, it's, it's, it's one of those things where like, I think I feel, I feel I'm behind, uh, I don't know how you feel about this, but like,[00:16:04] Jacob Effron: I think AI is just everyone constantly feeling like they're behind some, uh,[00:16:08] swyx: yeah.With,[00:16:09] Jacob Effron: I wanna meet the person that doesn't feel behind,[00:16:11] swyx: but like with, with ax, right? Like, so, so like, my, my stance was that exactly what I said before, like everything that you, that you should do for agents is something that you should have done for humans anyway. Yeah. And so. To the extent that you're just getting it more energy to, to do things for agents, great.But like, uh, it's hard to articulate what new thing apart from just like more spam, um, that you should be doing. Anyway, that would be my take right now. Um, I I, I do think like there, there will be more turns at this. I think the personalization turn that is coming, um, will be big. And I don't know what that looks like because like basically we're kind of, we feel kind of tapped out on the memory side of things.[00:16:49] Jacob Effron: Yeah. I, I guess since we last chatted, you know, you, you took this role over at cognition, um, and you've obviously have a, have a front row seat to the AI coding space today. You know, I feel like coding in many ways. You know, people view it as this, like, I mean, besides being like the, the mother of all markets and this massive opportunity, I think it's kinda a preview of like, what's to come for many other spaces.Both. Yeah. You know, I feel like agents are most advanced in coding. I also feel like the, you know, competition between foundation models and application companies, you know, and, uh, mirrors what we may see in other spaces. And so maybe for our listeners, can you just lay out like what is the state of the AI coding wars today?[00:17:25] swyx: Um, it is massive, right? Like, uh, and I don't think necessarily, last time we talked about this, we appreciated the size of what[00:17:32] Jacob Effron: No, I wish we did.[00:17:33] swyx: I state of AI coding wars today, um, both opening eye philanthropic have made it their p serials to competing coding. Um, and. Tropic is like 2.5 billion in a RR just from Cloud Code.The way they recognize a RR is. Opt for debate, uh, open ai. I don't think the, a public number is known, but let's call it 2 billion as well. And then cursor is like, rumored to be 2 billion, you know? And, and those, those are like the public numbers that are known? Yeah. Um, so like huge markets that have just been created in the past one year.Like, like anthropic, just like Claude Code just recently celebrated their one year anniversary, which is, yeah, pretty nice. Um, so, and then I think, like the other thing that I see is there's, there's some other people who are like, oh, here's like the, the sort of relative penetration of, uh, Claude use cases, right?Like, and it's like coding 50% and then legal, whatever. Health, uh, it's like the, the remaining ones. And there was a very popular tweet that was like, okay, I'll look at the, the empty space and all these other use cases. If you are a new founder today, you should be betting on the other stuff because on, on a sort of catch up Yeah.Theory and my. Consider my, my pushback is the same pushback that, uh, I had on app over Google, which is like, well, well why is this time different? Like, why, if it went from let's say 10 to 50% in the past year, why can't I keep going? Uh, and like getting that wrong is actually a very painful one because you could have just did, did the momentum bet.Instead of the mean reversion bed. So I, I, I think that that is the, the state of things now that people are very, very much into psychosis. Um, they're are getting rewarded for spending more rather than spending less. And I think we're not in that phase of efficiency. We're in a phase of sort of like capability exploration.So I think people who are more crazy, who are more. Uh, creative, um, get rewarded comparatively. Yeah.[00:19:27] Jacob Effron: Well, it's interesting. I mean, it feels like behind these like token maxing, leaderboards and whatnot is this, it's like the first phase of this transition from a workforce perspective is you just gotta show your employer like, Hey, I, I use these tools.[00:19:37] swyx: Here's my nu number of tokens I cost, and that's it. They don't care about the quality. Right. It is, uh, maybe distasteful to someone who cares about the craft and, and all that. Um, but directionally everyone just wants you to go up regardless. And so, um, there it is not very discerning. It's, and it's probably very sloppy, but I think it's net fine because we're still probably underusing ai just in generally.Yeah. Um, and so I think that's like very interesting. Like we had on the podcast, uh, Ryan La Poplar from OBI, who spends a billion tokens a day. Yeah. Um, and that's for those county home, it's like something like 10,000 worth, $10,000 worth a day of API tokens. If they, they did market rates, um, and like most of us can't afford that.Yeah. But like. And, and, and probably a lot of what he does is slop.[00:20:25] Jacob Effron: Right.[00:20:25] swyx: But like, he's going to dis, he's like, if there were a new capability, he would discover it first before you because he was, he was trying and you were not trying. Right. And like, you only do things that work like, well, good for you.But like the, the people who are going to discover the next hot thing are living at the edge.[00:20:42] Jacob Effron: Right and increase in living at the edge of just having the compute budget to like run these experiments. I mean, kind of similar to what living at the edge on the research side has always been. You know, it was constrained in many ways by the amount of compute you had to run these experiments.It feels similarly on the, almost on the builder or like actualizing these tools now.[00:20:56] swyx: Yeah. The other thing that's, I mean, very obvious is philanthropic is kind of like the high price premium player. Um, that where, you know. Restricting limits or restricting model releases even is like the name of the game.Whereas Codex is like, come on in guys, use our SDK, use our login and we don't care. We're gonna reset limits. Whatever you do want to try to exploit the subsidies where you can get it. And definitely Codex is super subsidized right now. Gemini also very subsidized. Um, and. Comparatively, like, I think you should make, Hey, I guess while, while that's going on, it's not that bad to be a capabilities explorer on just the $200 a month plan from Cloud Code or from OpenAI.Um, and, uh, I I, I, my sense is that people aren't even there yet.[00:21:41] Jacob Effron: How do you think this, like, market ultimately plays? I mean, it's obviously such a big market that, you know, any slice of that market is interesting for, for anyone going after it. But I think what, what makes people so interesting in the coding market particularly is it feels like it's kind of this.Foreshadowing of what will happen in other, you know, any other kind of application market that the foundation models eventually turn to and are all their models against and gather data around. And so how do you think, you know, like does there end up being room for lots of different kinds of players or like, what do you think the end state of this market is and is that, do you think that's applicable to other markets?[00:22:10] swyx: I feel like there will be, I mean. Status quo is probably the most likely outcome, which is there are two big players and there's a small range of longer tail people that, um, fit other use cases that the, the two big players don't. That feels right to me. I think that, um, for it to, for the market structure to, to significantly change there would be, there needs to be significant change in like the economics or like the, the brand building or like the, the, the, the value propositions of the, of the companies involved and I.Haven't seen any in the last six months that, that have really changed the stories materially. So I feel like they would just keep going until something, something else happens. Something else happens, meaning like Microsoft wakes up and like goes like. Guys, we have GitHub, we have, uh, you know, we, we, we'll, we'll do something much bigger here than other, other than just copilot.Um, and, uh, that would be a big change. Um, MSL has put out a model now, and I was in a breakfast with, uh, Alex Wang, where they were like, yeah, like, we, we really, really want to go after the coding use case. We haven't done anything yet, but like, don't underestimate them. Right. Um, and, and similarly for the Chinese labs.Um, I think they're trying to go after it. Like ZAI is doing stuff. GLM uh, ZI and GLM is same thing. Um, uh, and, and so it's, so like everyone's trying to get a piece of that pie. I, I feel like the, the status quo has been pretty stable for the past, like almost a year I'll say.[00:23:39] Jacob Effron: Yeah. And is the room for the, not like, you know, for, for the application companies more on like the enterprise side or like where do the, where do the, like what surface area do the model companies leave for application companies?[00:23:50] swyx: Yeah, that's a good one. Um. It's very much evolving. Um, it, I, I, I will say because opening I did not have this, the, this level of attention on coding. Yeah. Uh, a year ago. We just don't have that much history. Right. Um, and it seems like, for example, so the big push at Open I now is the Super app. Um, is that a consumer thing?Is that like a products like. Portfolio rationalization thing, how much is that gonna take away attention from coding at the time when they actually do want to put more coding? I think it's, it's very unclear. So I do think like there's, there's all these, like in both big labs, there's. Uh, sorry. Both of the, and, and drop and, and deep minus and XAI are are separate cases.Um, they are trying to see the other time expansion areas. So cloud code for finance. Yeah. Um, uh, cloud cowork, all those, all those things. Whereas I think cursor and cognition are like comparatively just focused on coding and so I, I do think they leave space and I do think for the other verticals that also means the same thing.Right. That, uh, that they're not gonna be that. Um, intensely focused on, on, on that domain. Except for, I, I think I would mark out finance and healthcare as like the next ones, um, that they're clearly going after. Uh, I, I would say comparatively, healthcare seems more thorny. There, there, there've been some announcements about it, but like, I would respect the, the finance work a lot more just because like the, the path to money is a lot clearer.[00:25:12] Jacob Effron: Yeah, no, I mean, obviously like, I, I think, you know, maybe similar to, to the space that's being left in these other domains, you know, there's obviously. Uh, a lot that's required to actually implement these tools in enterprises, uh, versus, you know, maybe just giving them, uh, giving model access to, to folks outta the box.[00:25:27] swyx: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So the, the agent lab thing is like, we'll do the last mile for you. Whereas I think the model labs tend to just trust the model and, and be minimalist about it. Both of them work.[00:25:38] Jacob Effron: Yeah.[00:25:38] swyx: I, I don't, I don't necessarily think one, uh, beats the other, uh, for every, for every use case. Um, all I, all I do know is that it does seem like.Uh, the large enterprises do want a dedicated partner that isn't just the model labs, which is kind of interesting.[00:25:55] Jacob Effron: We, we've been in this phase of, of pure capability exploration. And so I think nothing has been, you know, better for the large labs, right? I mean, they're always gonna be, uh, uh, the frontier of, of capability exploration.And so I think have a very good relationship with a lot of these enterprises. But ultimately over time, like. The, uh, the incentive structure of these labs is always gonna be maximal, you know, token consumption for, uh, for the end customers they work with. And there's just, I think, so few companies that have actually gotten to massive scale.Maybe coding again is the most interesting. So it's the first space that really is just completely gone, you know? Yeah. You must love it every day. Like absolutely insane. And. I think it[00:26:32] swyx: gets even. Okay. I mean, like, I think we, we say good things about crystal cognition, but the sheer liftoff of like both end UPIC and open ai.‘cause they, they, they have independent valuations. I mean, let's throw an XEI in there because it's now I ping at 1.2 trillion. That number is just mind boggling. Like I, I feel like in normal investing or normal startups, there's kind of like a ceiling market cap or valuation. Totally. That, that like you, you reach and you go like, all right, let's, it's gonna be chiller from now on.And these guys are not slow down. No.[00:27:02] Jacob Effron: Well, I also think the dynamic is fascinating about some of these later stage companies is, is, you know, in the past, I feel like in, in venture world, if you got to a certain level of scale, the question around you was really more a valuation question. And this is like why there was different phase, like, you know, types of venture people did and like the late stage growth people were just incredible at like, you know, a little bit of what's the ultimate market opportunity of this company, but also what's the right way to, to value it.Like we know it's, it's in some bands of an outcome that is like. Sure there's some variance to it, but it's like relatively understood what that bands is and then maybe you get over time surprised to the upside. Whereas any kind of like later, even the labs themselves, any later stage company, the bands of which that company might be worth right now, even in a year or two years are so massive because of how fast the ecosystem changes that it's like.Even for later stage companies, every three months could be an existential level event to the upside to the downside. Yeah. Um, and I think that, like, you are obviously seeing it in the, in the positive with code, which, you know, if you think about a company like philanthropic, you know, that. For a while, it was like unclear if they were going to have access to enough capital, um, to really stay in the, in the race, right?And then coding hit at the exact right time. They had the perfect model for it. They executed brilliantly. Um, and you know, now are, are, you know, uh, you know, one of the most valuable companies in the world.[00:28:13] swyx: Uh, at the same time, I, I don't find, I, I have zero sympathy for opening eye because they're crushing it and they're all rich.You know, this is like a high class champagne problem to have to, uh, to be number two at coding or whatever. Like, who cares? Like, you're, you're doing great.[00:28:27] Jacob Effron: Yeah. It's funny though. I can't even, I mean, you would be closer to this, uh, you know, even that you're in the AI coding space, but it's like a lot of people I talk to think Codex is just as good, if not better than Claude Code.Right. I think one thing that I've been really surprised by, and maybe, maybe Cloud Code is a better product in some ways, I'm curious your thoughts is just in consumer AI with chat GBT. You saw this big first mover advantage, right? Where admittedly today, like, I don't know, Claude Gemini. Great products.Not sure, not abundantly clear chat GBTs any better, but like. People stick with chat, GBT, it's the first thing to introduce them.[00:28:56] swyx: They stay, but they're not growing anymore. I don't know if you've seen[00:28:59] Jacob Effron: Right. But that to me is more of like a, a, a product problem than it is. They're not like, it's not like they've like lost share to someone else.My understanding is the overall problem with consumer AI today is much more of a how do you take this tool and, you know, for, for folks like us, like knowledge workers, it's like this incredible magic tool, but it's not necessarily a daily active use tool for a lot of people around the world today. And what are the like products?It's, it's kind of a category wide problem. Like in coding, for example, like. The entire space has gone parabolic. There may be some relative growth in, uh, in other consumer AI players, but it's not like consumer AI as a category is like going parabolic and they're not capturing most of that thing. I think it's actually the larger problem is much more, hey, the category has kind of hit a bit of a plateau of people haven't figured out how to bring, you know, tons more users on board.Yeah, yeah. Or increase the frequency of those users. And so it seems more of a category wide problem than it is, you know, a massive market share of change. I was gonna draw the comparison to, to the coding space where Claude Co is the first product, obviously, to introduce people to this magical experience.You know, by all accounts, codex is, is pretty damn close to as good, if not better. Um, but like still that first product, you, you would've thought that would not be a super sticky, uh, you know, product surface area. And it actually has, it turns out, I, it feels like the first lab to introduce you and experience really does, uh, keep a lot of, uh, a lot of the focus.[00:30:12] swyx: I, I think. M maybe it's like still, still early days. You know, Chad, BT is like three plus years old and Yeah. Cloud code is only one. Just turned a year. Yeah. So give it time, you know? Yeah. Like, yeah. I mean, definitely sometimes a lot of people have switched from to Codex. Maybe that will keep going. I, it's like really hard to tell.Uh, yeah. I, I, I do, I do think that. Because we are in this like, high volatility, high temperature phase. Um, the loyalty and stickiness to first movers and category creators, I don't think is as high as it might be in some other, uh, areas in our careers that we've looked at.[00:30:47] Jacob Effron: Yeah. Though, I mean, I've been surprised by the cloud code thing.I, I would've thought that, like, in many ways I always worried about the[00:30:52] swyx: enterprise. You think you would've been gone by now?[00:30:53] Jacob Effron: Not gone. But I would've, I I always worried that the, that the consumer business of these companies would be quite sticky. And then the enterprise API business. Uh, was actually like, you know, in some ways like your least loyal buyers, like they would, they would move to,[00:31:05] swyx: right, right.But, but they worked out that it wasn't the enterprise API it was enterprise product.[00:31:09] Jacob Effron: Totally. And maybe that was the, that was the secret that like, but the amount of lock-in or just default behavior that has happened in that space, uh, is, is more than I might've imagined with two products that by all accounts are pretty damn similar.Yeah.[00:31:22] swyx: No fight there. Uh, I will say I do think that Codex is still in like a catch up. Like in terms of personal experience. Um, the only thing I like out of, out of Codex is the, is like Spark and like yeah. Uh, the, I, I feel like the skills integration is a little bit better. I feel like, uh, the, the speed is a bit better.Maybe ‘cause it's in, is written in rust or whatever. Um, very minor things that you like. Almost like telling yourself rather than like objectively assessing between two, two of them. I, I, I do think, like vibes wise, I think that's going on. Um, the, the, you know, I, I feel like the, the missing questions, uh, in, in this whole debate is like, why is this so concentrated in only two names, right?Yeah. Like, um, how, where, like, where is the Gemini? You know, presence, where's the Xai presence? Um, and like they are trying, it's just they haven't made that much progress yet.[00:32:12] Jacob Effron: But what the, what the Claude Co moment does show, and it actually in some ways makes you a little more bullish on the potential for someone else to catch up because it does feel like if you're the first person to introduce some magical net new product experience, that that actually might be stickier than one might have imagined.[00:32:27] swyx: Right, right, right. Okay. Yeah.[00:32:28] Jacob Effron: And so it's, everyone can believe they have shot[00:32:29] swyx: that. What do you think that new product experience might be like? I, I, it's, it's like, and this is a failure of imagination on my part. Like, I always wonder, like, people always say this like, well, the, the thing that will save us is like being first to the next new thing.Like what is it?[00:32:41] Jacob Effron: Yeah.[00:32:42] swyx: It's like,[00:32:45] Jacob Effron: I dunno, something around like, uh, consumer agent, computer use, like hybrid. I think, obviously, I think we're like scratching the surface on the consumer side.[00:32:53] swyx: So my, my current theory is like the. Open claw is like a vision of things to come.[00:32:58] Jacob Effron: Totally.[00:32:58] swyx: Um, and uh, it's good that O open I has like the association with open claw, but by no means do they have the rights to win it.The general thesis that I have been pursuing now is that the year the same way that 2025 was the year of coding agents, 2026 is coding agents breaking containment to do everything else. Um, and so coding agents continue to still win, but because they generate software and software eats the world, so like, it's kind of like the trans.Associated property of like software, eat the world, coding agents, eat software, therefore coding agents eat the world. Um, which is like an interesting,[00:33:30] Jacob Effron: yeah, and breaking containment always an easier phase phrase in the consumer context than the enterprise one. You've seen people run these really cool, uh, experiments in their own personal lives.I think like,[00:33:37] swyx: yes.[00:33:38] Jacob Effron: Figuring out, you know, how you, obviously everyone's focused, you know, on the enterprise side now around how you create these experiences. I feel like the vibes, you know, people love to have these narratives of like, everything is completely shifted. It's like I actually, you know, open AI.Organizationally, uh, you know, volatility aside is, you know, great products, great team, great models like everyone else in the world is incentivized for there to be. Two, three more. Everyone would love more like great model companies. And so I feel like the, the natural forces of the world revolt when any one company, you know, is too much the star of the show, right?There's so many people in the ecosystem that are incentivized for that not to happen. And so I think I'd be shocked if we don't have. Uh, uh, reversion of vibes, not maybe completely the other way, but at least a little bit more equal at some point over the next six, 12 months.[00:34:24] swyx: I, I think there's just a kind of different stages when, when you talk about the world, one wanting more model companies, I talked think about like the neo labs.[00:34:30] Jacob Effron: Yeah.[00:34:31] swyx: And I mean, I don't know, is it fair to say none of them have really broken through in the past year?[00:34:35] Jacob Effron: I think that's totally fair,[00:34:37] swyx: which is rough. Um, and well, how are we gonna, how are we gonna grow that diversity in, in, in choice, like. Um, that's, this is it.[00:34:46] Jacob Effron: Yeah. It'll be really interesting to see what, what, what ends up happening with that.And you've seen, you know, folks like Nvidia, you know, very incentivized to make sure there's, there's a broader platform of, of other model providers.[00:34:57] swyx: I think, uh, I don't know people say this, but I, I, I don't think they try it hard. Nvidia tries harder to build neo clouds[00:35:05] Jacob Effron: Yeah.[00:35:06] swyx: Than neo labs.[00:35:07] Jacob Effron: Well, they try pretty damn hard to build neo Cloud, so[00:35:09] swyx: that's,[00:35:09] Jacob Effron: yeah.[00:35:10] swyx: But like, you know, let's call it like the, the core weaves of the world, much happier place in the, you know, than any neo lab built on top of them.[00:35:18] Jacob Effron: Yeah. That one might argue it's, it's easier to, to enable a neo cloud to be successful than it is. Uh, you can't will a neo lab into existence the same way you, soNvidia[00:35:25] swyx: has more direct control over it.Uh, for sure.[00:35:27] Jacob Effron: What else is kind of catching your eye today on the startup side? I mean, you worry, there's obviously this whole narrative of like, you know, the foundation models, you know, they announced a product and every stock goes down 15%. Like[00:35:36] swyx: Yeah.[00:35:37] Jacob Effron: Do you, do you worry about the foundation models just kind of eating into to a bunch of these startup categories?[00:35:43] swyx: Not really. I, I think actually like. As, uh, there's, there's, okay, there's, there's, there's the, there's the point of view of like being an investor in startups, and there's a point of view of like, do you wanna start something? And I think honestly, like the, the downside for all these is so. Minimal in, in a sense of like, the worst you do is you just get hired into one of these labs anyway.So I, I think the, the market for people who just do things and try things and try to execute in like a competent way, even if like it doesn't work out commercially, even if it just wasn't that great anyway. Like, but like that's your job interview to go into, into one of these things anyway, so, um, I don't feel that.From a, from a very, very small startup perspective, mid-size startups. Yes. Uh, I will say there's been a lot of dead, um, LM Infra, a lot of LM infra consolidation like the, the, uh, lang fuses of the world getting absorbed into, into click house. And I, I think. Like people have maybe worked out the domain specific playbook, uh, and like, I think that's okay.Um, and, and yeah, I'm not that, not that worried about, uh, okay. So, um, I, I would say I'd be more worried about traditional SaaS, like low NPSS. This is the whole AI versus SaaS debate that has, that's been going on. Uh, and, and like literally I'm going through that exact thing in my company where, so I like kind of.Thinking through this on a very visceral, visceral level, right? On one hand you have the people who say you vibe coders don't appreciate the amount of work that goes into A-A-C-R-M and like, yeah, you think you can rip out Salesforce? So did the 30 entrepreneurs before you, right? Like, like, you know, you classically underestimate the things that you don't.Deeply, no. And, and, and target audience is not you. Uh, at the same time, like we have never been able to build software so easily and customize software so easily and like Yeah, you're not gonna use 90% of the things in Salesforce. So like, yeah. What's the typical, so what have you, what[00:37:33] Jacob Effron: have you done internally?[00:37:34] swyx: So we have there the main SaaS that we do for event management and sponsor management. That's, and we paid 200 KA year for that. Not, not huge, but like chunky for, for, for my, my scale. Um, and like, yeah, I could probably spend 2000 and, and build like a custom version of that. Um, the, the, the trick has been dealing with my, the rest of my team and getting them on board.Yeah. ‘cause I'm the most ethical person on my team, but like, I can't make that decision myself. And I think in the same way I've been telling with other CEOs team leaders as well, it's like, well you can be super cloud pilled. You can be super LM psychosis and that you think that's okay, but you like you have to bring your team with you.And I think like there, the sort of widening disparity in LM psychosis in companies is causing real s real riffs because. And on one hand, on one hand, the people who are less AI native are not getting with the picture. They're not, they're actually like behind, they're actually not waking up to the fact that like you, everything you think is necessary is not actually that necessary.And in fact, exactly would be better of you if you just like held your nose and went in and when came out the other side. Yeah, only talking to agents in natural language and like your life would actually be better and you just, you're just like close-minded. There's that perspective. The other perspective is, oh, you vibe coder.You, you did this in a weekend and you got the 80% solution and now the rest of your employees. Have to pick up the rest of your s**t, right, that you, that you thought you were, you were such hot, amazing, uh, uh, at, but like, actually you didn't figure it out. And like, actually LMS are still useless at this and blah, blah, blah.So like, I think there's this huge debate going on in every company right now. Um, and like, um, you know, I have a small microcosm of it, but like, yeah, it, it's making me hesitate to, to pull the trigger. But like I will at some point, it's like maybe I've put it off for one year, but not like five. Yeah, but like, so, so like SaaS is definitely getting squeezed.Um, it does make me wonder, like, I, I do think that there's an opportunity for a more AI native, um, system of record thing that is not just Postgres. Um, or not just MongoDB, although both are very good. Maybe it's like a convex or like people Yeah. Bring up convex a lot. I don't know, like, like, I, I just feel like the sort of quote unquote firebase of, of AI apps isn't really a thing yet.Um, beyond what we have. Uh, which, which is fine. It's, it's, it's just. We could probably start in a more sort of rapid iteration cycle first before scaling up to like a Postgres or MongoDB, which are more sort of old tech. I was at a dinner with, uh, Mike Krieger, the CPO of en philanthropic, and, and he, we were just kind of going around the room going like, what are people most worried about?Yeah. And, uh, for me, uh, I, instead of security, I brought up biosafety. Yeah,[00:40:21] Jacob Effron: classic.[00:40:22] swyx: Um, actually, like I said, it was. Cliche and classic, and the rest of the table were, were like, what do you mean? Someone sitting at home can manufacture a virus that wipes out half of humanity,[00:40:32] Jacob Effron: almost like the OG Jeffrey Hinton.Like, this is why you should be scared.[00:40:35] swyx: I'm like, yeah, like the read the, you know, risk reports. Like this is like the thing. Um, I think, and Mike was just sitting there knowing he was sitting on Mythos and going like, actually it's security. Um, and I think like, um, I think the, there's, there's, part of it is.A very good marketing. Like too good. Yeah, like I would actually advise and topic to tune down the marketing because also it's, it is just a very good model and you don't have to make so many marketing claims around it. At the same time, it is not really a private model. If you give it to 40 companies.Each of whom have like 10,000 employees or whatever. Right. It's not, it's not private, it's, it's like there's bad actors in there.[00:41:18] Jacob Effron: Yeah. Hopefully, hopefully not as, uh, as bad as releasing it widely, but, uh, no, I mean, it's an interesting. You know, it's an interesting case study for how all, I mean, many model releases might, I mean, you know, this might be the first model release that looks like the rest of ‘em from from now on, right?[00:41:31] swyx: It, it, so it's, it's the, there's an overall product strategy, uh, for anthropic of like bundle, uh, you know, restrict access bundle, uh, product with model maybe.Whereas, uh, OpenAI has definitely been a lot more sort of. Philosophically aligned on like, we will just enable access everywhere and we don't know what you, what will come out of it. Right.[00:41:51] Jacob Effron: Right. Though, I mean, this current moment, uh, obviously the cynical take is also just ties to the amount of compute that both companies[00:41:56] swyx: Yeah.Right, right, right. Yeah, I think, I think that's true. I I do think like the, the, this is the, the, the scale, the dawn of like larger than 10 trillion parameter models is very interesting. I don't think it, I think it's a temporary phenomenon because we have much larger compute clusters coming online for everyone over the next like three, five years.It's, and this is like already written in, in the cards.[00:42:18] Jacob Effron: Yeah.[00:42:19] swyx: So to the extent that like, you know, will we have rationing of models, uh, above 10 trillion, uh, in like two years? I don't think so. I think everyone will have no, we'll just[00:42:29] Jacob Effron: have rationing of the next phase.[00:42:30] swyx: Right. Right. But like, that's as it should be almost like, um.My, my classic example, which I, this is just me theorizing, not anything confirmed by Google. When Google announced Gemini, they actually announced three sizes, which was Flash Pro Ultra. They never released Ultra. They only have Pro and Flash. Um, so my theory is they have ultra sitting in a basement and they just could distilling from it for, for flashing pro.Um, which like, yeah, I mean, I, I actually think that's. As it should be for any lab that they, that they do that.[00:43:02] Jacob Effron: Yeah. Just because those are the models that people actually wanna end up using. And it's just like cost prohibit.[00:43:06] swyx: It is more, yeah, it's cost. Yeah. It's, it's not the want, it's just, just, just the cost.Um, I do think, like, uh, it is interesting that, uh, for a while I was, I was considering the theory that models capped out at two, 2 trillion, and I think that's proving to be wrong. And well then if I'm wrong, how wrong? How wrong am I? Do we do 200 trillion? Do we do two quarter trillion, whatever? Um, and I don't think we have the straight answer to that, but like, uh, it's interesting that we are continuing to scale number of pers when everyone kind of assu like can see that we're not going to get like the next thousand or 1 million x from this paradigm.So like the others, like the alias of the world are working on other. Um, model architecture improvements. We need a different scaling law, I guess, because like, we're, I, I feel like people already already feel like we're tapped out on this. Like the, the end, the end state of this is we turn most of the world into data centers and like, I don't know.I don't know if we want that.[00:44:08] Jacob Effron: Yeah, I mean, uh, if the, if, if, if the return of intelligence are there, maybe, uh, maybe not so bad.[00:44:13] swyx: I, I, I think there, there's just a sheer amount of like, like un scalability that like is wrangling people's sensibilities right now. Um, especially in terms of like context lengths.Um, my classic quote is that context length is like the slowest scaling factor in, in lms.[00:44:30] Jacob Effron: Yeah.[00:44:30] swyx: Um, we, like, we took maybe. Three years to go from like 4,000 context length to a million and that's about it. Yeah. Like Gemini has had a million token context length for two years now. Um, and no one's using it.Like, so like yeah, it's memory. Memory is probably gonna be the, the biggest limiting constraint on all these things.[00:44:50] Jacob Effron: Yeah. Certainly seems that way. I guess I'm curious over the last year since you recorded last, like what's one thing you've changed your mind on?[00:44:57] swyx: I feel like I was kind of bearish on open models like last year.Um, in a sense of, like, I, I had just done the podcast with an Al[00:45:07] Jacob Effron: Yeah.[00:45:08] swyx: Of Braintrust where he, and he, I mean, you know, he has a good cross section of all the top AI companies and he says market share of open source is 5% and going down. Um, I think that's changed. I think it's going up. Um, and even if,[00:45:22] Jacob Effron: even though the capability gap does seem to be increasing.Spending on the[00:45:26] swyx: time. It's hard to tell. Yeah, it's, it's really hard to tell. ‘cause like, okay, for, for listeners, capability gap increasing is like on public benchmarks. And let's say you're comparing mythos versus like, I don't know, G-T-O-S-S or like GLM 5.1. And, um, it's, it is really hard to tell. ‘cause even if they were closing, you will also not believe that they were closing that much because it's very easy to gain the benchmarks.Yeah. So you just don't really, really know. Um, all you know is like. Uh, there's somewhat objective open router stats on like what people choose in a free market. And people do choose some of these open models in significant volume, except that a lot of them are heavily discounted. So you need to kind of like price adjust, uh, these things.So even if, even if that were true, which I, I'm not sure, like I, I, I feel like the numbers just up now instead of down. Uh, I think the. Separation between what the top tier agent labs

Stāsta kultūrpētniece Ilva Erkmane; pārraides producente – Ilga Auguste Arhitekts Kārlis Reisons (1894–1981) ir latvietis, kurš nācis no Vidzemes piekrastes ciema Latvijā, laika posmā starp abiem Pasaules kariem strādājis Lietuvā, bet kara bēgļu gaitās nonācis Austrālijā, kur turpināja savu profesionālo darbību Adelaidē un kur arī noslēdzās viņa mūžs. Arhitekta Kārļa Reisona (Karolis Reisonas – lietuviski) mantojums Lietuvā īpaši ticis pētīts pēdējās desmitgades laikā, lai starpkaru perioda Kauņas modernā arhitektūra tiktu iekļauta UNESCO pasaules mantojuma sarakstā: septiņi šī laika posma objekti Kauņā ir uzcelti pēc K. Reisona projektiem, bet kopumā 14 no viņa projektētajām celtnēm Lietuvā ir iekļautas Lietuvas nekustamā kultūras mantojuma sarakstā. Taču viņa dzīves pirmsākums meklējams šeit, Katrīnbādē, Pabažu muižai piederošās Vidzemes piekrastes ciemā, šobrīd – Saulkrastu pilsētā. Ziņas par Kārļa Reisona dzimšanu atrodamas Pēterupes, tagadējās Saulkrastu pilsētas daļas, draudzes baznīcas grāmatā. Tur 1894.gadā dzimušo un kristīto saraksta ierakstā Nr. 26 lasām, ka Kārlis dzimis 14., pēc jaunā stila – 26. aprīlī, Pabažu "Inču" mājās jūrasbraucēja Sīmaņa Reisona un Mildas, dzimušas Zvaigznes, ģimenē un kristīts Pēterupes baznīcā 22. maijā. Pabažu muižas robežās esošās Katrīnbādes, kā tolaik sauca peldvietu Vidzemes piekrastē, "Inču" māju saimnieks, Kārļa tēvs Sīmanis Reisons bija triju burinieku īpašnieks, rosīgs Pēterupes zvejniecības biedrības loceklis, kas rūpējās gan par savas ģimenes, gan vietējo iedzīvotāju labklājību. Kad 1904.gadā Pabažu muižas robežās Vidzemes piekrastē jūrā tiek ievilkta turpat piekrastē uzbūvētā Sīmaņa Reisona trīsmastu barkentīna "Kaupo", Kārlis ir desmit gadus vecs. Tēvs viņu sūta mācīties Rīgas reālskolā, bet Kārļa māsas Annas skološanai uzaicinātajai mājskolotājai Olgai Veicmanei Sīmanis Reisons atvēl sev piederošās telpas skoliņas atvēršanai vietējiem bērniem. Uzņēmība un vēriens, tālredzība un atbildība, dāsnums, augstsirdība un mecenāta gars – tās ir īpašības, kuras no savas dzimtas dzīves ceļā pārmantojis Kārlis Reisons. Nav zināmi apstākļi, kāpēc 1920. gadā Pēterburgas civilo inženieru institūtu arhitektūras specialitātē absolvējušais un 1921. gadā Latvijā atgriezies jauneklis nonāk Lietuvā, Šauļos. Šauļos viņam pavērās plaši darba apvāršņi. No otras puses, šis periods bija diezgan grūts, jo Šauļi vēl nebija atguvušies pēc Pirmā pasaules kara un vairāk nekā puse pilsētas ēku bija iznīcinātas. Tajā laikā pilsēta tika paplašināta, tāpēc K. Reisonam bija jāstrādā arī pie teritoriālās plānošanas darbiem. Teritoriālās plānošanas rasējumi ir saglabājušies līdz pat mūsdienām. Meklējot palīdzību, K. Reisons izveidoja un vadīja rasēšanas biroju Šauļos, kur dažādos laikos strādāja līdz pat 50 mērniekiem. Šauļu mērs Jackus Sondeckis savos memuāros K. Reisonu raksturojis  kā vienu no labākajiem inženieriem Lietuvā, ļoti strādīgu cilvēku, kurš veltīja daudz enerģijas, lai palīdzētu Šauļiem atgūties no drupām. Kārlis Reisons Šauļos projektējis Sacelšanās dalībnieku pieminekli, vairākas greznas savrupmājas, kā piemēram, Venclausku ģimenes pili, kurā atrodas viena no Šauļu Aušras muzeja nodaļām, projektējis saldumu fabrikas "Birute" ēku, bet 1924. un 1927. gadā – saldumu fabrikas "Rūta" ēku, kurā mūsdienās atrodas Šokolādes muzejs. Būvniecības speciālistu nepieciešamība bija liela. Jūtot trūkumu pēc tiem, viņš rūpējās par viņu apmācību un izglītību, organizējot kursus būvmeistariem. Pēc K. Reisona iniciatīvas Šauļos tika nodibināta viena no pirmajām amatniecības skolām Lietuvā, un pirmo gadu viņš bija arī tās vadītājs. Zemes reformas laikā jaunajiem zemes īpašniekiem trūka zināšanu dzīvojamo un saimniecības ēku būvniecībā, un K. Reisons centās aizpildīt šo robu, 1926. gadā sarakstot grāmatu "Lauksaimniecības būvniecība" ("Žemes ūkio statyba"), bet 1928. gadā – "Māla būvniecība" ("Molio statyba"). Grāmatās sniegti daudzi noderīgi padomi, iekļauti tipveida projekti un pat būvniecības tāmes. 1930. gadā K. Reisons tika uzaicināts strādāt toreizējā Lietuvas galvaspilsētā Kauņā, kur viņš vadīja celtniecības nodaļu un projektēja daudzas par izcilām atzītas ēkas. Kopā ar arhitektu Vladimiru Dubenecki un Kazi Krikščiukaiti Kārlis Reisons projektēja jaunās Vītauta Dižā Kara muzeja ēkas ansambli, kura vertikāls akcents pāri muzeja dārzam slejas kariljona tornis un sasaucas ar Brīvības pieminekli, kura postamenta arhitektoniskās idejas autors ir Kārlis Reisons. Kā izcilas Kauņas arhitektūras pērles minamas arī K. Reisona projektētā Mazā Kristus Augšāmcelšanās baznīca, Evaņģēliskā reformātu baznīca, Kauņas priesteru semināra rektorāta ēka, Arhibīskapa metropoles pils, pils "Lietūkis", kura kalpoja kā Lauksaimnieku biedrības pulcēšanās vieta, bijusī Zemes bankas ēka, Lauksaimniecības kameras ēka, bet sadarbībā ar Vītautu Landsberģi-Žemkalni – "Pienocentras" ēka. Iespējams, ka viskrāšņākais viņa īstenotais projekts ir Augšāmcelšanās baznīca, kuras celtniecība tika pabeigta tikai pēc Lietuvas neatkarības atgūšanas. Kauņas ainava nav iedomājama bez viņa projektētās Kristus Augšāmcelšanās baznīcas zvanu torņa vertikāles, kas ir redzama no visām pilsētas apkaimēm. Tā ir Romas katoļu baznīca, kas 20. gadsimta starpkaru periodā tika celta kā tautas augšāmcelšanās simbols. Kad Lietuva atguva neatkarību, baznīca tika atdota draudzei. Ja K. Reisona daiļradē šis projekts būtu bijis vienīgais, viņa vārds tik un tā būtu saglabājies Kauņas un Lietuvas arhitektūras vēsturē. Cituviet Lietuvā viņš projektējis Užunvežu Sv. Jaunavas Marijas baznīcu, Tauraģes slimnīcu, Jurbarkas tuberkulozes slimnīcu, uzņēmuma "Maistas" saldētavas un organizācijas "Lietūkis" noliktavas Klaipēdā, komercskolu Pasvālē un Lauksaimniecības bankas ēku Biržos. Pēc padomju karaspēka okupācijas Lietuvā Otrā pasaules kara sākumā K. Reisons ar ģimeni devās uz Vāciju, bet atgriezies strādāja Paņevēžā, kļūstot pat par pilsētas mēru. 1944. gadā K. Reisons aizbēga uz Vāciju, bet 1949. gadā emigrēja uz Austrāliju. Par Kārļa Reisona Austrālijas perioda sākumu liecina pārvietoto personu saraksti, kurā līdztekus citiem kara bēgļiem iekļauta visa viņa ģimene: pats Kārlis, kas kā savu nodarbošanos norādījis inženiera profesiju, bet kā izcelsmes vietu Latviju un Rīgu, sieva Elena, sarakstā minēta kā Helena, 1931. gadā dzimusī meita Renata un 1934. gadā dzimušais dēls Irvis. Adelaidē Kārlis Reisons iesaistījās Austrālijas Lietuviešu nama pārprojektēšanā un pārbūvē kopienas vajadzībām, bet vēlāk, tautas brāļiem svešumā kļūstot turīgākiem, kļuva par daudzu  lietuviešu savrupmāju projektu autoru. Viņš turpināja  strādāt arhitektūras jomā arī Austrālijā un aizgāja mūžībā 1981. gadā Adelaidē. Kārļa Reisona bērni profesionālajā jomā sekoja tēva  pēdās, un meita Renata, arī arhitekte, pēc valsts neatkarības atjaunošanas viesojoties Lietuvā uzsvēra, ka tēvam par to bijis liels prieks. Dēls Irvis Reisons kļuva par inženieri un strādāja Melburnā, bet Renata profesionālo darbību, tāpat kā tēvs, turpināja Adelaidē. Nevar nepieminēt Kārļa Reisona pūliņus kļūt par pilntiesīgu Lietuvas pilsoni un šķēršļus būt atzītam tieši sava, lai arī brāļu tautas, un tomēr – šveštautieša statusa dēļ: lai pieminam kaut vai paša dibinātās Šauļu skolas direktora vietas zaudējumu. Savukārt konfesionālās piederības dēļ nācās lūgt Romas pāvesta atļauju jeb dispensu, lai varētu salaulāties ar līgavu Elenu Butnevičūti, kura bija Viļņā jurisprudenci studējusi lietuviete. Vairākkārtējie pūliņi iegūt Lietuvas pilsonību vainagojās ar Lietuvas pases saņemšanu tikai 1932. gadā, vienlaikus ar savu sievu. Arī konkursu par Kauņas Kristus Augšāmcelšanās baznīcas projektu pavadīja negācijas. Lai arī tolaik presē tika publicēts tikai uzvarējušā projekta autora uzvārds, neminot, ka viņš ir latviešu tautības, tomēr šis fakts vēlāk kļuva par diezgan sāpīgu arhitekta kritiķu argumentu, piemēram, tādu, ka svešzemnieka izstrādātā projekta izvēle "ievaino lietuviešu tautiskās ambīcijas". Kārļa Reisona nesavtība un augstsirdība, droši vien ar laiku – arī darba rezultātā sasniegts turīgums izpaudās faktā, ka, ņemot vērā to, ka Šauļu sacelšanās dalībnieku pieminekļa projekta īstenošanai tika vākti tautas ziedojumi, šo projektu viņš piedāvāja izstrādāt bez maksas. Arī Augšāmcelšanās baznīcas projekts tika pārprojektēts gan stilistiski, gan, ņemot vērā grunts problēmas izvēlētajā vietā, arī būvniecības sadārdzināšanās dēļ. Mūsdienās vairāki Lietuvas pētnieki ir ieguldījuši daudz pūļu, pētot Kārļa Reisona mantojumu Lietuvā. Par nopelniem Lietuvas labā Kārlis Reisons tika apbalvots ar IV pakāpes Ģedimina ordeni un III pakāpes Vītauta Dižā ordeni. Lietuvas pilsētās, kurās K.Reisons strādāja, viņa devums izcelts, atklājot piemiņas plāksnes, bet dokumentālo filmu ciklā "Pagaidu galvaspilsētas fenomens" kā viena no 17 filmām 2020. gadā uzņemta par K. Reisona devumu Kauņai. Mūsdienās tradicionāli Lietuvas valsts pasludināšanas gadadienu pasākumi 16. februārī un valsts Neatkarības atjaunošanas dienas svinības 11. martā risinās K. Reisona projektētā Vītauta Dižā Kara muzeja, tam piegulošā kariljona torņa, kā arī Brīvības pieminekļa pakājē. 2025. gada 16. novembrī no latvieša Kārļa Reisona projektētā kariljona torņa zvanu skaņās izskanēja latviešu komponista Emīla Dārziņa un viņa laikabiedra lietuvieša Mīkaloja Konstantīna Čurļoņa mūzika. Bet K. Reisona projektētā Kristus Augšāmcelšanās baznīca kā lietuviešu tautas svētvieta kalpo arī kā koncertzāle. No tās plašās jumta terases tālu pārredzama Kauņa, bet Vecgada vakarā baznīcas pakāje ir iemīļota Jaunā gada sagaidīšanas vieta.

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Fresh off raising a monster $15B, Marc Andreessen has lived through multiple computing platform shifts firsthand, from Mosaic and Netscape to cofounding A16z. In this episode, Marc joins swyx and Alessio in a16z's legendary Sand Hill Road office to argue that AI is not just another hype cycle, but the payoff of an “80-year overnight success”: from neural nets and expert systems to transformers, reasoning models, coding, agents, and recursive self-improvement. He lays out why he thinks this moment is different, why AI is finally escaping the old boom-bust pattern, and why the real bottleneck may be less about models than about the messy institutions, incentives, and social systems that struggle to absorb technological change.This episode was a dream come true for us, and many thanks to Erik Torenberg for the assist in setting this up. Full episode on YouTube!We discuss:* Marc's long view on AI: from the 1980s AI boom and expert systems to AlexNet, transformers, and why he sees today's moment as the culmination of decades of compounding technical progress* Why “this time is different”: the jump from LLMs to reasoning, coding, agents, and recursive self-improvement, and why Marc thinks these breakthroughs make AI real in a way prior cycles were not* AI winters vs. “80-year overnight success”: why the field repeatedly swings between utopianism and doom, and why Marc thinks the underlying researchers were mostly right even when the timelines were wrong* Scaling laws, Moore's Law, and what to build: why he believes AI scaling laws will continue, why the outside world is messier than lab purists assume, and how startups can still create durable value on top of rapidly improving models* The dot-com crash and AI infrastructure risk: Marc's comparison between today's AI capex boom and the fiber/data-center overbuild of 2000, plus why he thinks this cycle is different because the buyers are huge cash-rich incumbents and demand is already here* Why old NVIDIA chips may be getting more valuable: the pace of software progress, chronic capacity shortages, and the idea that even current models are “sandbagged” by supply constraints* Open source, edge inference, and the chip bottleneck: why Marc thinks local models, Apple Silicon, privacy, trust, and economics all point toward a major role for edge AI* American vs. Chinese open source AI: DeepSeek as a “gift to the world,” why open models matter not just because they're free but because they teach the world how things work, and how open source strategies may shift as the market consolidates* Why Pi and OpenClaw matter so much: Marc's claim that the combination of LLM + shell + filesystem + markdown + cron loop is one of the biggest software architecture breakthroughs in decades* Agents as the new “Unix”: how agent state living in files allows portability across models and runtimes, and why self-modifying agents that can extend themselves may redefine what software even is* The future of coding and programming languages: why Marc thinks software becomes abundant, why bots may translate freely across languages, and why “programming language” itself may stop being a salient concept* Browsers, protocols, and human readability: lessons from Mosaic and the web, why text protocols and “view source” mattered, and how similar principles may shape AI-native systems* Real-world OpenClaw use: health dashboards, sleep monitoring, smart homes, rewriting firmware on robot dogs, and why the most aggressive users are discovering both the power and danger of agents first* Proof of human vs. proof of bot: why Marc thinks the internet's bot problem is now unsolvable via detection alone, and why biometric + cryptographic proof of human becomes necessaryTimestamps* 00:00 Marc on AI's “80-Year Overnight Success”* 00:01 A Quick Message From swyx* 01:44 Inside a16z With Marc Andreessen* 02:13 The Truth About a16z's AI Pivot* 03:29 Why This AI Boom Is Not Like 2016* 06:33 Marc on AI Winters, Hype Cycles, and What's Different Now* 10:09 Reasoning, Coding, Agents, and the New AI Breakthroughs* 12:13 What Founders Should Build as Models Keep Improving* 16:33 AI Capex, GPU Shortages, and the Dot-Com Crash Analogy* 24:54 Open Source AI, Edge Inference, and Why It Matters* 33:03 Why OpenClaw and PI Could Change Software Forever* 41:37 Agents, the End of Interfaces, and Software for Bots* 46:47 Do Programming Languages Even Have a Future?* 54:19 AI Agents Need Money: Payments, Crypto, and Stablecoins* 56:59 Proof of Human, Internet Bots, and the Drone Problem* 01:06:12 AI, Management, and the Return of Founder-Led Companies* 01:12:23 Why the Real Economy May Resist AI Longer Than Expected* 01:15:53 Closing ThoughtsTranscriptMarc: Something about AI that causes the people in the field, I would say, to become both excessively utopian and excessively apocalyptic. Having said that, I think what's actually happened is an enormous amount of technical progress that built up over time. And like for, for example, we now know that neural network is the correct architecture.And I, I will tell you like there was a 60 year run where that was like a, you know, or even 70 years where that was controversial. And so, so the way I think about what's happening is basically, I think, I think about basically the, the, the period we're in right now is it's, I call it 80 year overnight success, right?Which is like, it's an overnight success ‘cause it's like bam, you know, chat GPT hits and then, and then oh one hits, and then, you know, open claw hits and like, you know, these are open, these are, these are like overnight, like radical, overnight transformative successes, but they're drawing on an 80 year sort of wellspring backlog, you know, of, of, of, of ideas and thinking it's not just that it's all brand new, it's that it's an unlock of all of these decades of like very serious, hardcore research.If I were 18, like this is a hundred, this is what I would be spending all of my time on. This is like such an incredible conceptual breakthrough.swyx: Before we get into today's episode, I just have a small message for listeners. Thank you. We will not be able to bring you the ai, engineering, science, and entertainment contents that you so clearly want if you didn't choose to also click in and tune into our content.We've been approached by sponsors on an almost daily basis, but fortunately enough of you actually subscribed to us to keep all this sustainable without ads, and we wanna keep it that way. But I just have one favor to ask all of you. The single, most powerful, completely free thing you can do is to click that subscribe button.It's the only thing I'll ever ask of you, and it means absolutely everything to me and my team that works so hard to bring the in space to you each and every week. If you do it, I promise you will never stop working to make the show even better. Now, let's get into it.Alessio: Hey everyone, welcome to the Lidian Space Pockets. This is CIO, founder Kernel Labs, and I'm joined by s Swix, editor of Lidian Space.swyx: Hello. And we're in a 16 Z with a, uh, mark G and welcome.Marc: Yes, yes. A and what, half of 16? Something like that. A one. Exactly,swyx: exactly. Uh, apparently this is the, the final few days in your, your current office.You're moving across the road.Marc: Uh, we're, yeah. We have a, we have some, we have some projects underway, but yeah, this is actually, oh, this is the original. We're in actually the original office. We're in the, we're in the, we're, we're in the whole thing.swyx: It's beautiful. Yeah. Great.Marc: Thank you.swyx: So I have to come out, uh, this is a, you know, I wanted to pick a spicy start in October, 2022.I just made friends with Roone and, uh, I wanted to give him something to sort of be spicy about. And I said, uh. Uh, it'll never not be funny. The A 16 Z was constantly going. The future is where the smart people choose to spend their time and then going deep into crypto and not in ai. And that was in October 22nd, 2022.And Ruen says there was an internal meeting in a 16 Z to reorient around Gen ai. Obviously you have, but was there a meeting? What, what was that?Marc: I mean, I don't, look, I've been doing AI since the late eighties.swyx: Yeah.Marc: So I, I don't know, like all that, as far as I'm concerned, this stuff is all Johnny cum lately.Yeah. You, I mean, look, we've been doing ar entire existence. I mean, we've been doing AI machine learning deep, you know, deeply. We've been doing this stuff way from the beginning. Obviously a AI is just core to computer science. I, I, I actually view them as like quite, uh, quite continuous. Um, you know, Ben and I both have computer science degrees.Um, you know, we, we both, Ben, Ben and I actually both are world enough to remember the actual AI boom in the 1980s. Yeah. There was like a, there was a big AI boom at the time. Um, and there was a, was names like expert systems. Um, and they of like lisp and lisp machines. Uh, I, I coded in lisp. I was coding a lisp in 1989.When that was the, the language of the AI future. Um, yeah. So this is something that we're like completely, you completely comfortable with. I've been doing the whole time and are very enthusiastic aboutswyx: is there a strong, like this time is different because, uh, my closest analog was 20 16 17. It was an AI boom.Mm-hmm. And it petered out very, very quickly. Um, we, it just, it just in terms of investingMarc: sort of, sort of,swyx: yeah. Investment, investment excitement.Marc: Although that's really when the, the, the Nvidia phenomenon really, it was, I would say it was in that period when it was very clear that at, at the time it, the vocabulary was more machine learning, but it, it was very clear at that time that machine learning was hitting some sort of takeoff point.Alessio: Yeah.Marc: Well, and as you guys, you guys have talked about this at length on, on your thing, but, you know, if you really track what happened, I think the real story is, it was, it was the Alex net, uh, basically breakthrough in like 2013. That was the, that was the real knee in the curve. Um, and then it was obviously the transformer breakthrough in 17.Alessio: Yeah.Marc: Um, and then everything that followed. But, but, you know, look, machine learning, you know, there were, you know, look, uh, I mean look, I've been working, you know, I've been working with, uh, one of my, you know, kind of projects working with Facebook since 2004. Um, and on the board since 2007, and of course, you know, they, they started using machine learning very early, um, and, you know, have used it basically, you know, for like 20 years for, you know, content, you know, feed optimization and advertising optimization.And obviously many, you know, financial services. You know, many, many, many companies, many different sectors have been doing this. And so it's like one of these things, it's like, it's not a, it's not a single thing. Like it's, it's like, it's like layers, right? Yeah. Um, and, and the layers arrive at different paces and, but they kind of build up.swyx: Yeah.Marc: Uh, they kind of build up over time and then, and then, yeah. And then look, in retrospect, it was 2017 was kind of the, you know, the key, the key point with the trans transformer and then. And then as you guys know, there was this really weird like four year period where it's like the, the transformer existed and then it was just like,swyx: let's go.Yeah.Marc: Well, but, but it was just, but, but between 2020, but between 2017 and 2021, I mean, that was the era of which like companies like Google had internal chat Botts, but they weren't letting anybody use them.swyx: Yeah.Marc: Right. And then, you know, and then OpenAI developed Chat GT or GPT two, and then they told everybody, this is way too dangerous to deploy.Right. Yeah. You know, we can't possibly let normal people, normal people use this thing. And then you, you guys, I'm sure remember AI Dungeon, um mm-hmm. So the o for, there was like a year where like the only way for a normal person to use GP T three was in, in AI dungeon.Alessio: Yeah.Marc: And so you, you, we would do this, you'd go in there and you'd pretend to play Dungeons and Dragons.In reality, you're just trying to talk to talk to GPT. And so there was this, you know, there was this long, you know, and I, you know, the big, big companies, you know, big companies are cautious and, you know, the big companies were cautious. It, it, by the way, it took open ai. You know, they, they, they talk about this, it took open AI time to actually adjust, you know, kind of re redirect their researchswyx: path.I, I think, uh, let say Rosewood, right? Uh, the, the dinner that founded OpenAI was right there.Marc: Right, right. But that, that dinner would've taken place in 20swyx: 18Marc: 19. The formation of OpenAI Uhhuh as late as 2018.swyx: Uh, uh, sorry. Uh, no, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm wrong. Probably It should be 20. Yeah. They just celebrated a 10 year anniversary, so it it is 2025.Yeah, so, so 2015?Marc: Yeah. 2015. Yeah. 2015. But then, uh, um, Alec Radford did G PT one in what, probablyswyx: mm-hmm. 17, 18,Marc: yeah. 17, 18. So it, yeah. For, and then, and then they didn't really, and then GPT three was what? 2020? 2020.swyx: 2020.Marc: Because that became copilot immediately. Even open ai, which has been, you know, the leader of, of this thing in the last decade, you know, e even they had to adapt and, and, and lean into the new thing.And so. Um, yeah, I, I think it's just this process of basically sort of wave after wave layer after layer, you know, building on itself. And then you kind of get these catalytic moments where, where the whole thing pops and, and obviously that's what's happening now.swyx: Is it useful to think about will there be any ai, winter?‘cause there's always these patterns. Like, is this, in the summer is something I constantly think about because do I get, do I just like. Just get endlessly hyped and just trust that I will only be early and never wrong or right. Well, are we, will there be a winter?Marc: So there's something about, say the following.There's something about AI that has led to this repeated pattern. Um, and, and, and you guys know this,swyx: it's summer, winter, summer,Marc: winter, summer, winter, summer, winter. And it goes back 80 years. Yeah. 80 years. Uh, so the original neural network paper was 1943. Right. Which is, which is amazing. Uh, that it was, it was far back that long.And then there was you, if you guys have ever talked about this on your show, but there was this, uh, there was a big, uh, there was an a GI conference at Dartmouth University in 1950. 55. 55, yeah. And they got a NSF grant to, uh, for the, all the AI experts at the time to spend the summer together. And they figured if they had 10 weeks together, they could get a GI, uh, at the other end.And they got their, by the way, they got the grant, they got the 10 weeks and then, you know, 1955, you know. No, no. A GI. And like I said, I, I lived through the eighties version of this where there was a big, a big boom and a crash. And so, so there is this thing, and there, there is something about AI that causes the people in the field, I would say, to become both excessively utopian and excessively apocalyptic.Um, and, and it's probably on both sides of like the, the, the boom bus cycle. You, you kind of see that play out. Having said that, I think what's actually happened is like just, and you know, and we now know in retrospect like an enormous amount of technical progress that built up over time. And like for, for example, we now know that neural network is the correct architecture.And I, I will tell you like there was a 60 year run where that was like a, you know, or even 70 years or that was controversial. And, and we now know that that's the case. And so we, we now, you know, everything we're building on today just sort of derives from the original idea in 1943. And so, so in retrospect, we, we now know that like, these, these guys are right.They, they, you know, they would get the timing wrong and they thought, you know, capabilities would arrive faster, or they were, it could be turned into businesses sooner or whatever, but like, they were fundamentally, the, the scientists who worked on this over the course of decades were fundamentally correct about what they were doing.And, and the, and the payoff from, from, from all their work is happening now. And so, so the way I think about what's happening is basically, I think, I think about basically the, the, the period we're in right now is it's, I call it 80 year overnight success, right? Which is like, it's an overnight success.‘cause it's like bam, you know, chat, GPT hits and then, and then oh one hits, and then, you know, open claw hits and like, you know, these are open, these are, these are like overnight, like radical, overnight transformative successes, but they're drawing on an 80 year sort of wellspring backlog, you know, of, of, of, of ideas and thinking it's not just that it's all brand new, it's that it's an unlock of all of these decades of like very serious, hardcore research.Um, and thinking, and look, there were AI researchers who spent their entire lives. They got their PhD. They, they worked for, they've researched for 40 years. They retired in a lot of cases, they passed away and they never actually saw it work.swyx: Yeah. It's all sad.Marc: It is. It is sad. It's sad. Knewswyx: Jeff Hinton was like the last guy.Marc: Yeah. Yeah. Well, there were the guys, uh, was a guy, Alan Newell. I mean, there's tons of John McCarthy. You know, John McCarthy was like one of the inventors in the field. He's one of the guys who organized the Dartmouth Conference and you know, he taught at Stanford for 40 years. Wow. And passed, you know, passed away, I don't know, whatever, 10, 10 years ago or something.Never, never actually go. Got to see it happen. But like, it is amazing in retrospect, like, these guys were incredibly smart and they worked really hard and they were correct. So anyway, so then it's like, okay, you know, say history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes. It's like, okay, does that mean that there's gonna be another, like, you know, basically boom buzz cycle.And I, I will tell you, like, let, like in a sense, like yes, everything goes through cycles and, you know, people get overly enthusiastic and overly depressed and there's, there's a time, there's a timelessness to that. Having said that, there's just no question. Um, so the form, the foremost dangerous words in investing this time are, this time is different.Do you know the 12 most dangerous words investing? No. The four most d foremost dangerous words in investing are this time is different. Yeah. Um, the 12 most dangerous words. And so like, I'll tell you what's different. Like now it's working like, like there's just no, I mean, look, there's just no question.And by the way, I, I'll just give you guys my take. Like L LLMs, like from, from basically the Chad G PT moment through to spring of 25. I think you could still, I think well intention, well, and of. Form skeptics could still say, oh, this is just pattern completion. And oh, these things don't really understand what they're doing.And you know, the hall hallucination rates are way too high. And, you know, this is gonna be great for creative writing and creating, you know, Shakespeare and so sonnets and, you know, as, as rap lyrics or whatever, like, it's gonna be great and all that stuff, but we're not gonna be able to harness this to make this relevant in, you know, coding or in medicine or in law or in, you know, you know, kind of feels that, you know, kind of really, really matter.And I think basically it was the reasoning breakthrough. It, it was oh one and then R one that basically answered that question basically said, oh no, we're gonna be able to actually turn this into something that's gonna work in the real world. And, and then obviously the coding breakthrough over the, over basically the coding breakthrough that kind of catalyzed over the holiday break was kind of the third step in that.Mm-hmm. Where you're just like, alright, if, if, you know, if Linus Tova is saying that the AI coding is no better than he is like. Like, that's, that's never happened before. That's theswyx: benchmark.Marc: Yeah. That's never happened before. And so now we know that it's, it's gonna sweep through coding and, and then, and then we, we know, you know, we know that if it's gonna work in coding, it's gonna work in everything else.Right. It's just then, because that's, that's like, that's like, that's like the hardest in many ways. That's the hardest example. And how everything else is gonna be a, a derivative of that. And then on top of that, we just got the agent breakthrough, you know, with Open Claw, which is fantastic. Which is amazing and incredibly powerful.And then we just got the, the, um, the auto research, uh, you know, the, the self-improvement. You know, we're now into the self-improvement breakthrough. And so the, so the way I think about it is we've had four fundamental breakthroughs in functionality, l OMS reasoning, uh, agents, um, and then, uh, and, and then now RSI, um, and, and they're all actually working.Um, and so I'm, I'm just, as you like, you can tell I'm jumping outta my shoes. Like, like this is, like this is it like this, this is the culmination of 80 years worth of worth of work, and this is the time it's becoming real.Alessio: Yeah.Marc: I, I'm completely convinced.Alessio: I think the anxiety that people feel is like during the transistor era, yet Mors law, and it's like, all right, we understand why these things are getting better.We understand the physics of it. Yeah. With ai, it's. It's so jagged in like the jumps where like, like you said, it's like in three months you have like this huge jump like, and people are like, well this can keep happening. Right? But then it keeps happening,Marc: it'll keep happening.Alessio: And so like how do you think about also timelines of like what's we're building?I think we always have this question with guests, which is like, you know, should you spend time building harness for a model versus like the next model just gonna do it one shot in the lead space. Right. And how does that inform, like how you think about the shape of the technology? You know, you talk about how it's a new computing platform.If you have a computing platform, then like every six months it like drastically changes in what it looks like. It's hard to build companies on top of it.Marc: Yeah. So, so a couple things. So one is like, look, the, the Moore's law was what we now call a scaling law. Like Moore's Law was a scaling law and for your younger viewers, more Moore's Law was every chip chip chips either get twice as powerful or twice as cheap every, every 18 months.And that, and that and that, you know, that it's gotten more complicated in the last few years. But like that, that was like the 50 year trajectory of, of, of the computer industry. And then, and then by the way, and that's what took the mainframe computer from a $25 million current dollar thing into, you know, the phone in your pocket being, you know, a million times more powerful than that.Like that, you know, for, for 500 bucks. And so that, that was a scaling law. And then, and then, and then key to any scaling law, including Moore's Law and the AI scaling laws is, you know, they're not really laws, right? They're, they're, they're, they're predictions, but when they work, they become self-fulfilling predictions because they, they, they, they, they set a benchmark and, and then the entire industry, right?All the smart people in the industry kind of work to make sure that, that, that actually happens. And so they, they kind of motivate the breakthroughs that are required to, to keep that going. And, and in and in chips, that was a 50 year, that was a 50 year run. Right. And it, it was amazing. And it's still happening in, in some areas of, of chips.I think the same thing is happening with the, the core scaling laws. The core scaling laws. In, in, in ai, you know, they're, they're not really laws, but like they, they are basically. There are predictions and then they're motivating catalysts for the research work that is required to be. And, and, and, and by the way, also the investment, uh, dollars, um, uh, you know, required to basically keep, you know, keep the curves going and, and look, it, it is, it's gonna be complicated and it's gonna be variable and they're, you know, there're gonna be walls that are gonna look like they're fast approaching, and then they're gonna be, you know, engineers are gonna get to work and they're gonna figure out a way to punch through the walls.And obviously that's, you know, that's been happening a lot, you know, and then look, there's gonna be times when it looks like the walls have, you know, the, the, the laws have petered out and then they're gonna, they're gonna pick up again and surge and then, and then, and then it, it appears what's happening to the eyes is there's not multiple, you know, multiple scaling laws.Um, there's multiple areas of improvement. And, and I think, you know, I don't know how many more there are already yet to be discovered, but there are probably some more that we don't know about yet. You know, they, like, for example, there's probably some scaling law around, um, world models and robotics that we don't fully understand, you know, kind of acquisition of data at scale in the real world that we don't fully understand yet.So that, that, that one will probably kick in at some point here. There's a bunch of really smart people working on that. Um, and so, yeah, I, I think the expectation is that, that, you know, the, the scaling laws generally are gonna continue. Yeah. The, the pace of improvement will continue to move really fast.Um. To your question on like what to build. So, uh, I'm a complete believer the scaling laws are gonna continue. I'm a complete believer the capabilities are gonna keep getting amazing, um, you know, leaps and bounds. Uh, the part where I kind of part ways a little bit with how, what I would describe as the AI purists, um, you know, which is, which I would characterize as like the people who are.In many ways, the smartest people in the field, but also the people who spend their entire life, like at a lab, um, and have, have, I would say, have very little experience in the outside world. Um, the, the, the nuance I would offer is the outside world of 8 billion people and institutions and governments and companies and economic systems and social systems is really complicated.Um, and, um, and doesn't, you know, it it 8 billion people making collective decisions on planet Earth is not a simple process of like, just like you see this happening now. It's like a bunch of AI CEOs have this thing, which is just like, well, there's just this, they just all have this kind of thing when they talk in public where they're just like, well, there's these, these obvious set of things that so society to do.Alessio: Mm-hmm.Marc: And then they're like, society's not doing any of those things. Right. And it's like, how can society not, you know, what, whatever their theory is, how can society not see x, y, Z? Mm-hmm. And the answer is, well, society is number one. There's no single society, it's like 8 billion people. And they like all have a voice, and they all have a vote, like at the end of the day of how they, they react to change.And then, you know, it just like, it's just human reality is just really complicated and messy. Um, and, and, and so the specific answer to your question is like, as usual, it depends. Um, you know, it, it depends. Look, pe there's no question people are gonna, like, there's no question they're gonna be companies.It's already happening. There are companies that think that they're building value on top of the models and then they're just gonna get blissed by the, by the next model. There's no question that's happening. But I think there's no question also that just the process of adaptation of any technology into the real and into the real messy world of humanity is, is just going to be messy and complicated.It's, it's not going to be simple and straightforward. It's gonna be messy and complicated. And there are gonna be a lot of companies and a lot of products, um, uh, and in, in fact entire industries that are gonna get built to, to, to basically actually help all of this technology actually reach real people.Alessio: The amount of capital going into these companies, I mean, Dario talked about it on the Door Cash podcast and Door Cash was like, why don't you just buy 10 x more GPUs? And he is like, because I'm gonna go bankrupt if the model doesn't exactly hit the, the performance level. How do you think about that?Also as a risk on, you know, you guys are investors, open AI and thinking machines and world apps. It seems like we're leveraging the scaling loss at a pretty high rate, right? Like how comfortable, I guess, do you feel with the downside scenario, like, and say like things Peter out, you think you can kind of like restructure uh, these build outs and uh, you know, capital investments.Marc: Yeah. So should start by saying, so I live through the.com crash, um, and I can tell you stories for hours about the.com crash and it was horrible. No, it was awful. It was, it was, it was apocalyptic by the way. The, a lot of the.com crash was actually at the time, it was actually a telecom crash. It was a bandwidth crash.Like the, the thing that actually crashed, that wiped out all the money with the tele, the telecom companies.swyx: GlobalMarc: crossing. Global, global, yeah.swyx: I'm from Singapore and they, they laid so much cable o over over our oceans.Marc: Actually there was a scaling law in the.com. Era. And it was literally the, the US Commerce Department put out a report in 1996 and they said internet traffic was doubling every quarter.Um, and, and actually in 1995 and 1996, internet traffic actually did double every quarter. And so that became the scaling law. And so what all these telecom entrepreneurs did was they went out and they raised money to build fiber, anticipating that the demand for bandwidth is gonna keep doubling every quarter.Doubling every quarter though is like, you know, grains of chess and the chessboard, like at some point the numbers become extremely large. Right. And, and, and it really, and really what happened was the internet. The internet by the way, continuously kept growing basically since inception. And it's, you know, it's, it's continuously grown.It's never shrunk. And it's grown really fast compared to anything else. Mm-hmm. You know, in, in, in human history. But it wasn't doubling every quarter as of 19 98, 19 99. And so there was this gap in the expectation of what they thought was a scaling law versus reality. And that's actually what caused the.com crash, which was the, it they, they way over companies like global crossing way overbuilt fiber, which is sort of the, and by the way, fiber, telecom equipment, you know, so all the, all the networking gear, you know, and then, and then by the way, the actual physical data centers, like that was the beginning of the, of the, of the data center build and then, and the data center overbuild.And so you had that, but it was, it was literally, I think it was like $2 trillion got wiped out, right? It was like Jesus, it was like a big, it was. And by the way, the other, the other subtlety in it was the internet companies themselves never really had any debt. ‘cause tech, tech companies generally don't run on debt, but the telecom companies run on debt.Physical infrastructure companies run on debt. And so the companies like Global Crossing not just raise a lot of equity, they also raise a lot of debt. So they're highly levered. And so then you just do the thing. It's just like, okay, you have a highly levered thing where you're, you're just over, you're overbuilding capacity.Demand is growing, but not as fast as you hoped. And then boom, bankrupt. Right. And, and then it, and then it's like they say about the hotel industry, which is, it's always the third owner of a hotel that makes money. It has to go bankrupt twice, right? You have to wash out all of the over optimistic exuberance before it gets to actually a stable state.And then it makes money. So by the way, all of those data centers and all of those, all the fiber that they're in use, it's all in use today. Yeah. But 25 years later. But it, it, it took, and actually the elapsed time was, it took 15 years. It took 15 years from 2000 to 2015 to actually fill, fill up all that capacity.The cautionary warning is the, the overbuild can happen. Um, and, and, and, and, you know, you, you get into this thing where basically everybody, everybody who basically has any sort of institutional capital, it's like, wow. It's just, I, I don't know how to invest in these crazy software things. For sure I can put build data centers and for sure I can buy GPUs that I can deploy, you know, compute grids and, and all these things.Um, and so, you know, if you're a pessimist, you could look at this and you could say, wow, this is like really set up to be able to basically replicate, you know, what we went through, what we went through in 2000. Obviously that would be bad. The counter argument, which is the one I I agree with, which is the counter on, on the other side is a couple things.One is the companies that are investing all the, the companies that are investing the money are like the bluest chip of companies. And so back, back, back in the, in the do, like Global Crossing was like a, it was like an entrepreneur. It was like a, a new venture, but like the money that's being deployed now at scale is Microsoft, and, you know, and Amazon and Google, Facebook and Facebook and Nvidia and, you know, these, these, these, and, and now you know, by the way, open ai philanthropic, which are now at like, you know, really serious size, um, you know, as companies with, you know, very serious revenue.These are very large scale companies with like, lots, lots of cash, lots of debt capacity that they've, they've never used. And so th this is institutional in a way that, that really wasn't at the time. And then the other is, at least for now, every dollar that's being put into anything that results in a running GPU is being turned into revenue right away.Like so, and you guys know this, like everybody's starved for capacity, everybody's starved for compute capacity and then, you know, all the associated things, memory and, and, and interconnected and everything else. Um, data center space. And so e every dollar right now that's being put into the ground is turning into revenue.And, and it, and in fact, I actually think there's an interesting thing happening, which is because everybody starve for capacity, the models that we actually have that we can use today are inferior versions of what we would have if not for the supply constraints. That's true. Um, if Right pose a hypothetical universe in which GPUs were 10 times cheaper and 10 times more plentiful mm-hmm.The models would be much better. ‘cause you would just allocate a lot more money to training and you'd just build better models and they would be better. Um, and so we're, we're actually getting the sandbag version of the technology.swyx: Yeah. No. Everything we use is quantized because the, the labs have to keep the, the full versions,Marc: right?swyx: LikeMarc: we're not even getting the good stuff.swyx: Yeah.Marc: But, but getting the good stuff, it's, it's just, even if technical progress stops. Once there's like a much bigger build of like GPU manufacturing capacity and memory, you know, all, all the things that have to happen in the course of the next five or 10 years.Once it happens, even the current technology is gonna get, gonna get much better. And then as you know, like there's just like a million ways to use this stuff. Like there's just like a million use cases for this. Mm-hmm. Like, it, it, you know, this isn't just sending packets across a, a thing, whatever, and hoping that people find something to do with it.This is just like, oh, we apply intelligence into every domain of human activity. And then it works like incredibly well. Yeah. Um. Here's what I know, here's what I know. Um, in the next three or four year, it's like somewhere between three or four years out, basically everything is selling out. So like the, the entire supply chain is, is, is, is sold out or, or, or selling out.And so there, there's no, like, we're just gonna have like chronic supply shortage for, you know, for years to come. Um, there's going to be a response from the market that's gonna result in an enormous, you know, it's happening now. An enormous flood of investment in a new fab capacity and ev you know, every, everything else to be able to do that, at some point the supply chain constraints will unlock, you know, at least to some degree that will be another accelerant to industry growth when that happens.‘cause the products will get better and everything will get cheaper. Um, and so, so I know that's gonna happen. I know that, you know, the deployments, you know, the, the actual use cases are like really compelling. And then, like I said, you know, with reasoning and agents and so forth, like, I know they're just gonna get like much, much better from here.And so I, I, I know the capabilities are like really real and serious. I also know that the technical progress is not going to stop. It. It, it is excel. It is, is accelerating. Like the, the breakthroughs are are tremendous. I mean, even just month over month, the breakthroughs are really dramatic. And so, you know, I think if you were a cynic and there, there are cynics, you can look at 2000, you can find echoes.But I can't even imagine betting it that this is gonna like somehow disappoint and, you know, at least for years to come, I think it would be essentially suicidal to make that bet. Yeah. Um, it was that Michael Burry, uh, uh, that'sswyx: anMarc: interesting guy, huh? We'll pick on a guy. We'll pick, let's pick on one guy.We'll pick. Well ‘cause he did, he he came out with, it was, it was the, heswyx: doesn't mind.Marc: It was the Nvidia short. Right. He came with the Nvidia short. And then if you guys probably talked about this, which is the, the analysis now that like the current models are getting better faster at such a rate that if you are running an Nvidia, if you're running an Nvidia inference chip today, that's three years old, you're making more money on it today than you did three years ago because the pace of improvement of the software is, is faster than the, the, the depreciation cycle, the chip.And then my understanding is Google is running. I don't if they've, I don't know exactly what, uh, these are rumors that I've heard or maybe it's public, but, um, I think Google's running very old TPUs, very profitably. Ference. Yeah. And very profit and very profitably. Yeah. Um, and so, so it actually turns out, as far as I can tell, it's actually the opposite of the Beery thesis is actually.He was actually 180 degrees wrong. It's actually the, the, the, the old Nvidia chips are getting more valuable, which is something that's like literally never happened before. Like it's never been the case that you have an older model chip that becomes more valuable, not less valuable. And that, and again, that's an expression of the just ferocious pace of software progress.Ferocious pace of capability payoff. Yeah. Uh, that you're getting on the other side of this. And so I just, the idea of betting against that, like.swyx: Yeah. Yeah. Well, one ofMarc: my, it seems like an invitation to get your face ripped up.swyx: One of my early hits was like modeling the lifespan of the H 100 and h two hundreds and, and going like, you know, usually they advise like four to seven years and it was, you know, maybe you sort of realistically haircut cut it down to two to three.Yeah. But actually it's going up and not down. Yeah. And, and uh, that's, I mean that's, I think that's the dream. Uh, we are finding utilization and I think utilization solves all problems. Like, you can, you can find use, use cases for even like the poor, like even memory, we're having a shortage. Right. And, and even like the, the shittier versions of, of memory that we do have, we are finding use cases for it.So like That's great.Marc: Yeah.Alessio: How, how important is open source AI and kinda like edge inference in a world in which you have three years of supply crunch. Like, do you think in the, like, you know, if you fast forward like five years, like how do you think about inference, uh, in the data center versus at the edge?Marc: Well, so just to start, yeah. So I think, I think open source is very important for a bunch of reasons. I think edge, edge inference is very important for a bunch of reasons. I, I think just practically speaking, if we're just gonna have fundamental construc, supply crunches for the next, I mean, you, you guys know if you just project forward demand over the next three years, right?Yeah. Relative to supply, one of the, its main predictions you can do is what's gonna, what, what's gonna happen to the cost of, of inference in the core, uh, over the next three years? And like, it may rise dramatically, right? Like, so, so what is, and then is, is, you know, like the, the, the big model competition are subsidizing heavily right now.Right? Right. And so, so what's the, what will be the average person's, you know, per day, per month token cost, you know, three years from now to do all the things that they want to do. And I, I don't know, it's gonna. I mean, I have, you guys probably have friends, I have friends today who are paying a thousand dollars a day for open claw, for claw tokens to run open claw.Right? And so, okay. $30,000 a month. Right? And, and by the way, those, those friends have like a thousand more ideas of the things that they want their claw to do, right? Yeah. And so you, you could imagine there, there's like latent demand of up to, I don't know, five or $10,000 a day of, of, of tokens for a fully deployed, you know, per personal agent.Uh, and obviously consumers can't pay that, right? And so, so, but it gives you a sense of the fu of the fu of the future scope of demand, right? And so, so even, even if there's a 10 x improvement in price performance, that still, you know, goes to a hundred dollars a day, which is still way beyond what people can pay.Mm-hmm. So there's just gonna be like. Ferocious to me, by the way. The agent thing, the other interesting thing is I think the agent thing, so up until now, a lot of the constraints of GGPU constraints, I think the agent thing now also translates into CPU constraints. Mm-hmm. Right?swyx: CPU memory.Marc: Yes. CPU memory, right?And so, like the entire chip ecosystem is just gonna get wait,swyx: wait for network constraints, that that will be the killer.Marc: It's all bottleneck potentially for years. And so, so I, I think that Brad, and, and I think it's actually possible, I mean, generally inference costs are gonna keep coming down, but I think the, let's put it this way, the rate of decline, I think may level out here for a bit because of these supply constraints.And then at some point, maybe the lab stops subsidizing so much and that, that, that again, will be, be an issue. And so there's just gonna be so much more demand for inference than, than can be satisfied. Um, you know, kind of with the centralized model. And then, and then, you know, you guys know this, but like all the, just the dramatic, I mean just the dramatic innovations that have happened in the Apple silicon to be able to do, uh, inferences, it's quite amazing the level of effort being put.Like the open source guys are putting incredible effort into getting, you know, this recurring pattern where the big model will never run on a pc, and then six months later mm-hmm. Oh, it runs in a pc, right? It's like amazing. And there's very smart people working on that. So there's all that. And then look, there's also, you know.There's also like other, there's other motivators. There's other motivators which is just like, okay, how much trust are the big centralized model providers? You know, how much trust are they building in the market versus, you know, how much are, you know, at least for, in certain cases with some people, for certain use cases, people being like, well, I'm not willing to just like, turn everything over.So there, there, there's all the trust issues. Um, by the way, there's also just like straight up price optimization. There's many uses of AI where you don't need Einstein in the cloud. You just need like a, a a, a smart local model. There's also performance issues where you want, you know, you want, you know, you're gonna want your doorknob to have an AI model in it.Right. You know, to be able to, you know, do, um, you know, to be able to do access control. Um, obviously like everything with a chip is gonna have an AI model in it. Mm-hmm. And it, a lot of those are gonna be local. Um, and so, yeah. No, like I think, I think you're gonna have ti and then you're gonna, by the way, also wearable devices, you know, you don't wanna do a complete round trip.You want, you know, you, whatever your smart devices are, you want it to be like super low latency. Yeah.swyx: The question, do we care who makes it? Yeah. One of the biggest news this week was the collapse of AI two, the Allen Institute. Mm-hmm. One of the actual American open source model labs. Yeah. Um, and, uh, I'm not that optimistic on, on American open source.Yeah. Like you, you guys invested in MIS trial and MIS trial's doing extremely well outside of China. That's about it.Marc: Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. I look, I, number one, I do think we care. Uh, I do think we, I do think we care who makes it. Um, I would say this, the, the, the, the previous presidential administration wanted to kill it in the us Oh yeah.They wanted to drown in the bathtub. Um, and so they wanted to kill it. So at least we have a government now that actually like, actually wants it wants it to happen. And youswyx: earned to councilMarc: and Yeah. And the new and the P pcast. Yeah. So the, the, you know, this admin for whatever other political issues people have, which are many, you know, this administration has, I think a very enlightened view and in particular an enlightened view on AI and in particular on open source ai.Uh, and so they're very supportive. Um, my read is the Chi. The Chinese have a very, the various Chinese companies have a very specific reason to do open source, which is, they, they, they don't fundamentally, they don't think they can sell commercial, uh, AI outside of China right now. And or at least specifically not, not in the US for a combination of reasons.And so they, they kind of view, I think, open source AI as a bit of a loss leader against basically domestic, uh, you know, paid, paid services. And then kind of an, you know, kind of an ancillary products. You know, they're, they're very excited about it, by the way. I think it's great. I think it's great that they're doing it.Um, you know, I think Deeps seek was like a gift to the world. Um, I think. The great thing about open source, open source, the, the, the impact of open source is felt two ways. One is you, you get the software for free, but the other is you get to learn how it works, right? And so like the paper, the paper, the paper and, and the code, right?And the code. And so, like, for example, I thought this was amazing. So open comes out with L one and it's an amazing technical breakthrough, and it's just like, absolutely fantastic. But of course they don't explain how it works in detail. And then of course they hide the, they hide the reasoning traces, right?And, and then, and then, and then everybody's like, okay, this is great, but like, who's gonna be able to replicate this? Are other people gonna be able to do this? You know, is their secret sauce in there? And then our one comes out and it's just like, there's the code and there's the paper, and now the whole world knows how to do it.And then, you know, three months later, every other AI model is, is adding reasoning. And so, so you get this kind of double, like even if the Chinese models themselves are not the models that get used, the education that's taken place to the rest of the world, the information diffusion, you know, is incredibly powerful.So that happens and then, I don't know. We'll, we'll see. You know, there are a bunch of American, you know, open source, you know, ai, uh, model companies. I mean, look, there's gonna be tremendous, you know, there already is. There's, you know, there's gonna be tre there's tremendous competition, uh, among the primary model companies.You know, there's, depending on how you count, there's like four or five, you know, big co model companies now that are, you know, kind of neck and neck, uh, in different ways. Um, uh, you know, and, and, and, um, you know, and then obviously Bo Bo both X and then MetAware involved are, you know, both have huge, you know, huge attempts to, you know, kind of, to kind of leapfrog underway.And then you've got, you know, a whole fleet of startups, new companies, including a whole bunch that we're backing, that are, you know, trying to come out with different approaches. And then you've got whatever it is. I don't know how, how many, how many, like main line foundation model companies are there in China at this point?It's probably six. It'sswyx: five Tigers is what they call it. Yeah. Uh, Quinn is in questionable because there's change in leadership,Marc: right?swyx: Yeah.Marc: But that, does that include, that includes like Moonshot,swyx: yes. Can deep seek, uh, uh, ZI, um, Quinn oh one is in there.Marc: Right. And then, um, and by dance and, and then you see,swyx: ance would be like the next tier ance.They weren't as prominent. They weren't, didn't haveMarc: a leading. Yeah. But they, you at least, you know, ance is very inspiring and presumably they have more stuff coming and Tencent probably has more stuff coming and, and so forth. And so, so, so like, look, here, here would be a thing you can anticipate, which is there are not these markets, there are not going to be between the US and China right now, there's like a dozen primary foundation model companies that are like at scale, at, at some level of a critical mass.It's not gonna be a dozen in three years, right? Like, it just because these industries don't bear a dozen, it's, it's gonna be three or you know, there's gonna be three or four big winners or maybe one or two big winners. And so there's gonna be like a whole bunch of those guys that are gonna have to figure out alternate strategies.Um, and I think like open source is one of those strategies. And so I, I think you could see like a whole, i, I, I think the questions like, who's gonna do open source? I think that could change really fast. I, I think that, that, that's a very dynamic thing. I think it's very hard to predict what happens. And, and I think it's very important.swyx: NVIDIA's doing a lot.Marc: Well, I was gonna say. Well, exactly. And then you're got Nvidia and then, and then, you know, just to, again, indu, there's an old thing in business strategy, which is called, uh, commoditize Compliments. Commoditize the compliment. That's right. And so if your Jensen is just kind of obvious, of course, you wanna commoditize the software.Yeah. And he's, and to his enormous credit, he's putting enormous resources behind that. And so maybe it, maybe it's literally Nvidia and I think that would be great.Alessio: Yeah. Uh, narrative violation to European projects, uh, in the, uh, damn.swyx: I'm hosting my, uh, Europe, uh, conference soon. And I got both of them.Alessio: They got us.They got us. MarkMarc: finished. They got us, us. Well, wait a minute. Where was Peter? So where was Steinberger when he did? In AustriaAlessio: was, yeah, yeah, yeah.Marc: He was in what? He was in Vienna. Oh, he was in Vienna. And then where is he now?swyx: Uh, he's moving to sf.Marc: Okay. Okay. Alright. Okay, there we go. And then, yeah, the PI guy, right?The PI guys are European.swyx: Yeah, they're also, they're buddies inAlessio: Australia. Mario's also there. Yeah.Marc: Right. And are they, yeah, they haven't announced yet. Any sort of change changed or have theyAlessio: No, they're, they have a company there.Marc: Okay. Got, okay. Good.Alessio: Good, good,good.Alessio: Um,Marc: yeah, good.swyx: Anyways, I think pie and open cloud very important software things and, and I just wanted you to just go off on what you think.Marc: Yeah. So I think in co the, the combination of the two of them I think is one of the 10 most important softwares. Openswyx: Claw got all the attention, but Right. Talk about pie,Marc: pi pie's, kind of the Yeah. PI's, PI's kind of the architectural breakthrough for those of us who are older. There was this whole thing that was very important in the world of software basically from like 1970 to, I don't know, it still is very important, but like 19, from 1973 to like basically the creation of Linux, which is basically this, this thing used to call like the Unix mindset.Like so, so, ‘cause there were all these different, you know, theories. There are all these different operating systems and mainframes and, and then you know, all these windows and Mac and all these things. And then there was this, but kind of behind it all was this idea of kind of the Unix mindset. And the Unix mindset was this thing where basically you don't have these, like, like in the old days, like, like the operating system that like made the computer industry really work, like in the 1960s mm-hmm.Was this thing called o os 360, which was this big operating system that IBM developed that was supposed to basically run everything. And it was this like giant monolithic architecture in the sky. It was like a, you know, it was like a giant castle. Um, of software. And, and by the way, it worked really well and they were very successful with it.But like, it was this huge castle in the sky, but it was this thing, it was almost unapproachable, which is like, you had to be kind of inside IBM or very close to IBM. And you had to really understand every aspect, how the system worked. And then the, the Unix sky is originally out of at and t and then out out of Berkeley, um, you know, came out and they said, no, let's have a completely different architecture.And the way architecture's gonna work is we're gonna have, we're gonna have a, a prompt and, and a, and a shell. And then, and then we're gonna, all, all the functionality is gonna be in the form of these discreet modules, and then you're gonna be able to chain the modules together. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And so like the, the, the op, it's almost like the operating, operating system itself is gonna be a programming language.Um, and then that led led to the, the, the sort of centrality of the shell. Um, and then that led to sort of, uh, you know, basically chaining together Unix tools. And then that led to the emergence of these, these scripting languages like Pearl, where you, you could basically kind of very easily do this, and then the shells got more sophisticated and then, and then, and then look like, you know, that, that, that number one, that worked and that, that was the world I grew up in.Like I was, I was a Unix guy. You know, sort of from, call it 1988 to, you know, kind of all, all the way through my work and it worked really well. It, it's in the background, um, you know, nor normal people don't need to, didn't need to necessarily know about it, but like, if you were doing like system architecture, application development, you, you, you knew all about it.Um, and then, you know, it's been in the background ever since. And, you know, look, your Mac still has a Unix shell, you know, kind of in there, and your iPhone still has a Unix shell kind of buried in there somewhere. So they're kind of in there. And then, you know, the Windows shell is kind of a, you know, sort of a weird derivative of that.But, um, you know, but look, the inter, the internet runs on Unix, um, and that smartphones, actually, both iOS and Android are Unix derivatives. And so, you know, kind of Unix did end up winning. But, but anyway, and then we just started taking that for granted. And then, and then so, so basically the, the way I think about what happened with Pie and then with Open Claw is basically what those guys figured out is, I always say the, the great breakthroughs are obvious in retrospect, right?Which is the best kind, the best kind. They weren't obvious at the time or somebody else would've done them already. Um, and so there is a, like a real conceptual leap, but then you look at it sort of the backwards looking and you're just like, oh, of course. Mm-hmm. Like the, the, to me those are always the best breakthroughs.Well, actually language models themselves are like that. It's just like, oh, next token completion. Oh, of course.swyx: Yeah. What other objective mattered?Marc: Yeah, exactly. But, but like it, right. But she's even saying it wasn't obvious until somebody actually did it. Right. And so the conceptual breakthrough is real and deep and powerful and, and very important.And so the way I think about pie and olaw is it's basically marrying the, the language model mindset to the un to the Unix, basically shell prompt mindset. And so it's, it's basically this idea that what, what, so what is an agent, right? And as, as, and as you know, like many smart people who have been trying to figure out what an agent is for, for, for decades, and they've had many architectures to build agents and the whole thing.And it turns out what is an agent. So it turns out what we now know is an agent is the following. It's, so it's a language model. And then above that, it's a ba, it's a bash shell. Um, so it's a, it's a Unix shell, and then it's, and then the agent has access, uh, has access to, to the shell. And, you know, hopeful, hopefully in a sandbox, maybe in, maybe in a sandbox.So it's, it's the model. Um, it's the shell. Um, and then it's a fi, it's a file system. Um, and then the state is stored in files. And then, you know, there's the markdown format for the, you know, for, for the files themselves. And then, and then there's basically what in Unix is called Aron job. There's a loop and then there's a heartbeat for the, there's heartbeat and, and the thing basically Wake Wakes up.Wakes up. So it's basically LLM plus shell, plus file system, plus markdown, plus kron. And it turns out that's an agent. And, and, and every part of that, other than the model is something that we already completely know and understand. And in fact, it turns out that like the latent power of the Unix shell is like extraordinary because basically like all, like, there's just like an, there's just enormous latent power in the shell.There's enormous numbers of Unix commands, there's enormous number of command line interfaces into all kinds of things already in the, you know, your entire, I mean your entire, just to start with, your computer runs on a shell. If you're running a Mac or a, or, or a phone, your computer, your computer's running on a shell, uh, already.And so like the full power of your computer is available at the command line level. Um, and then it turns out it's really easy to expose other functions as a command line interface. And so like this whole idea where we need like MCP and these like product mm-hmm. Fancy protocols, whatever, it's like, no, we don't, we just need like a command, command line thing.So that's the architecture. And then it turns out what is your agent? Your agent has a bunch of files starting a file system. And then there's the thing that just like completely blew my mind when I write my head around it as a result of this, which is like, okay. This means your agent is now actually independent of the model that it's running on.Because you can actually swap out a different LLM underneath your agent and your, your agent will change personality somewhat. ‘cause the model is different, but all of the state stored in the files will be retained.swyx: Yeah. Different instruction set, but you just compiledit.Marc: Right, exactly. And it's all right.It's like right. Swapping out a ship and recompiling, but it's, it's still, it's still your agent with all of its memories. Um, and with all of its capabilities. And then by the way, you can also swap out the shell, uh, so you can move it to a different execution environment that is also, is also a b shell, by the way, you can also switch out the file system, right.Uh, and you can, and you can, and you can swap out the, the, the heartbeat for the, the crown framework, the, the loop that the agent framework itself. And so your agent basically is ba basically at the end of the day, it's just. It's just, its files. Um, and then, and then there's of course it a openswyx: call.Marc: Yeah, it's, it's basically, it's, it's just the files.Um, and then by the way, as a consequence of that, the agent and then the agent itself, it turns out a couple important things. So one is it, it's, it, it can migrate itself, right? And so you're, you can instruct your agent, migrate yourself to a different, uh, runtime environment, migrate yourself to a different file system, migrate yourself to a different, you know, swap out the language model.Your agent will do all that stuff for you. And then there's the final thing, which is just amazing, which is the agent is the agent actually has full introspection. It actually, it actually knows about its own files and it could rewrite its own files. Right. Which by the way, is basically no widely deployed software system in history where the, the, the thing that you're using actually has full introspective knowledge of how it itself works and is able to modify itself.Like that, that, I mean, there have been toy systems that have had that, but there, there's never been a widely deployed system that has that capability and then that leads you to the capability. That just like completely blew my mind when I wrap my head around it, which is you can tell the agent to add new functions and features to itself and it can do that.Extend yourself. Yeah. Right? Extend, extend yourself. Like extend yourself. Give yourself a new capability. Right? And so, and so literally it's just like you run into somebody at a party and they're like, oh, I have my open claw, do whatever, connect to my eat, sleep bed, and it gives me better advice and sleep.And you go home at night and you tell your claw, or if they're at the party, by the way, you tell your claw, oh, add this capability to yourself. And your claw will say, oh, okay, no problem. And it'll go out on the internet and it'll figure out whatever it needs and then it'll go out to claw code or whatever.It'll write whatever it needs. And then the next thing you know, it has this new capability. And so you don't even have to, like, you can have it upgrade itself without even having to, without having to do anything other than tell it that you want it to do that. And so anyway, so the, the combination of all this is just, I mean, this is just like a massive, incredible, I mean, it's just incredible.Like if I, if I were, if I were 18, like this is a hundred, this is what I would be spending all of my time on. This is like such an incredible conceptual breakthrough. Yeah. And again, pe people are gonna look at it and they already get this response. People are gonna look at it and they're gonna say, oh, well, where's the breakthrough?‘cause these, the, all of these components were already known before. Mm-hmm. But, but this is the key, the key to the breakthrough was by using all these components that were known before, you get all of the underlying capability of that's buried in there. And so all, and so for example, computer use all of a sudden just kind of falls, trivi, trivial.Of course it's gonna be able to use your computer. It has full access to the shell. Right. And then, and then you just, you, you give it access to a browser, and then you've got the computer and the browser and, and often away it goes. And, and then you've got all the abilities of the browser also. Um, yeah.And so, and so the capability unlock here is profound. My friends who are, you know, deepest into this, are having their claw do like a, like, literally like a thousand things in their lives. They have new ideas every day. They're just like constantly throwing new challenges at the thing. And by the way, it's early and, you know, these are, you know, these are prototypes and there are, you know, as you guys know, there's security issues.Yeah. And, and so, you know, there's a bunch of stuff to be ironed out, but the, the unlock of capability is just incredible.swyx: Yeah.Marc: And I, I have absolutely no doubt that everybody in the world is gonna, is gonna have at least, you know, an agent like this, if not an entire family of agents. And w

Saskaroties ar smagu tuvinieka slimību daudzi nonāk izmisumā informācijas trūkuma un birokrātijas slazdu dēļ. Kā to risināt? Krustpunktā diskutē Veselības ministrijas veselības aprūpes departamenta ārstniecības kvalitātes nodaļas vecākā eksperte Zane Reinholde, Nacionālā veselības dienesta Ārstniecības pakalpojumu departamenta projektu vadītāja Jūlija Voropajeva, Saeimas Sociālo un darba lietu komisijas deputāte, Lauku ģimenes ārstu asociācijas priekšsēdētāja Līga Kozlovska, SIA "Hospiss Māja" valdes locekle Žanete Jansone, Tiesībsarga biroja Sociālo, ekonomisko un kultūras tiesību nodaļas vadītāja Ineta Rezevska un Jauno ārstu asociācijas valdes loceklis, ģimenes ārsts Guntis Balodis. Pirms septiņiem gadiem paliatīvās aprūpes Latvijā tikpat kā nebija. Toreiz kolēģi uzsāka projektu "Izmisuma zonā". Jāatzīst godīgi, kopš tā laika tiešām ir izdarīts daudz. Iesaistījās visa sabiedrība, mums tagad ir gan mobilās aprūpes brigādes, atsevišķas nodaļas slimnīcās, hospiss un tamlīdzīgi. Paldies ikvienam par to, kas tiek darīts. Tomēr joprojām ir lietas, kuras atrisināt būtu krietni vienkāršāk, bet tās joprojām eksistē, un ir bezjēdzīgs tajā ceļā, lai tiktu līdz paliatīvajai aprūpei. Kolēģi no Ziņu dienesta programmā "Labrīt" stāstīja par vienu tādu gadījumu, kas atklāj nebūšanas, kuras vajag atrisināt, bet kas nav izdarīts. Tāpēc šodien atgriežamies Izmisuma zonā pie temata par paliatīvo aprūpi Latvijā.

Saskaroties ar smagu tuvinieka slimību daudzi nonāk izmisumā informācijas trūkuma un birokrātijas slazdu dēļ. Kā to risināt? Krustpunktā diskutē Veselības ministrijas veselības aprūpes departamenta ārstniecības kvalitātes nodaļas vecākā eksperte Zane Reinholde, Nacionālā veselības dienesta Ārstniecības pakalpojumu departamenta projektu vadītāja Jūlija Voropajeva, Saeimas Sociālo un darba lietu komisijas deputāte, Lauku ģimenes ārstu asociācijas priekšsēdētāja Līga Kozlovska, SIA "Hospiss Māja" valdes locekle Žanete Jansone, Tiesībsarga biroja Sociālo, ekonomisko un kultūras tiesību nodaļas vadītāja Ineta Rezevska un Jauno ārstu asociācijas valdes loceklis, ģimenes ārsts Guntis Balodis. Pirms septiņiem gadiem paliatīvās aprūpes Latvijā tikpat kā nebija. Toreiz kolēģi uzsāka projektu "Izmisuma zonā". Jāatzīst godīgi, kopš tā laika tiešām ir izdarīts daudz. Iesaistījās visa sabiedrība, mums tagad ir gan mobilās aprūpes brigādes, atsevišķas nodaļas slimnīcās, hospiss un tamlīdzīgi. Paldies ikvienam par to, kas tiek darīts. Tomēr joprojām ir lietas, kuras atrisināt būtu krietni vienkāršāk, bet tās joprojām eksistē, un ir bezjēdzīgs tajā ceļā, lai tiktu līdz paliatīvajai aprūpei. Kolēģi no Ziņu dienesta programmā "Labrīt" stāstīja par vienu tādu gadījumu, kas atklāj nebūšanas, kuras vajag atrisināt, bet kas nav izdarīts. Tāpēc šodien atgriežamies Izmisuma zonā pie temata par paliatīvo aprūpi Latvijā.

Stāsta literatūrzinātniece Māra Grudule. Producente Maruta Rubeze. 1857. gadā “Latviešu Avīzēs” (Nr. 43, 24.10.1857) publicēta “Pilsētnieku dziesma”, kurā tās autors ne bez autobiogrāfisku motīvu klātbūtnes atzīst: “Laukos dzimis es, / Laukos tēvs un māte man, / Laukos audzēts es, / Tur man mīļā tēva mājā / Bērnu dienās labi gāja: / Nu es pilsētnieks. (..) Bet man – ja nav galva gudra, / Ja neteku tā kā skudra – / Jāēd maiz` un sāls.” Trīs gadus vēlāk laikraksta “Mājas Viesis” divos numuros viņš slavē Rīgu jau 400 rindās. Sākumdaļā izvadījis cauri Vecpilsētai – biržai, ģildei, Melngalvju namam, rātei, Pilsētas teātrim, bāreņu namam, brāļu draudzes saiešanai, baznīcām un pilsētas vārtiem, viņš iepazīstina arī ar Rīgas apkaimēm un Jūrmalu. Dzejojuma autors ir Mārcis Reinbergs (1826–1861), agri no tuberkulozes miris latvju literāts. Piedzimis trūcīgiem vecākiem Valmieras pusē, agri zaudējis tēvu, izpirkts no rekrūšiem, lai naudu atpelnītu, 1844. gadā Reinbergs ierodas Rīgā. Ko īsti viņš pilsētā ir darījis, nav zināms. Iespējams, viņš piederējis Tilo fabrikas latviešu inteliģences lokam. Apveltīts ar dzejnieka dotībām, kopš 1856. gada viņš publicējas latviešu presē. Pārsvarā tie ir viegli ritoši, atskaņoti, reliģiski un sadzīviski, fabuliski un arī didaktiski panti par dažādām tēmām. Rīgas apdziedājumā Reinbergs gan ir palicis pilnīgā Ernesta Dinsberga ēnā, kas viņa dzejojumu “Rīga” pieaudzē vairāk nekā trīskārt – līdz 1300 rindām. Un dzejojums līdz ar to iegūst nopietnāku, izglītojošu un arī pamācošu raksturu. Tas nāk klajā 1865. gadā ar nosaukumu “Rīga jeb Ziņģe par Rīgu un viņas dzīvi” un piedzīvo daudzus atkārtotus izdevumus. Jaunākais no tiem ar Rīgas domes atbalstu šokolādes tāfelītes formā un bagātīgi ilustrēts, ir publicēts vēl 2017. gadā. Padomju laikā ziņģi popularizēja arī lieliskais komiķis Edgars Liepiņš, tās fragmentus iekļaujot programmā “Rīga toreiz – Rīga šodien”. Un tā tika saglabāta arī skaņu platēs (1981). Bet atgriezīsimies pie Mārča Reinberga dzejojuma “Rīga”. Pirmvariantā pilsēta, tās nomales un arī Dubulti ir līksmes un prieka avots. Pilsēta dūc, klaudz un skan no orķestru taurēm, putnu dziesmām, dancotāju kājām un pudeļu un aluskausu šķindoņas. Daži fragmenti nobeigumā ieskatam: [..] Ar te pamazs krodziņš Brasa, / Kur dūc vijoles un basa,  Tanī bramaņi, kam maki, / Ieņem sūro, lec kā traki. (..) Nu starp iekš un ārpilsētu / Vērmaņdārzs ar latu sētu – / Rītos te, tikko iet laukā, / Skan jau skaņa jauku jaukā. Tāpat vakaros un arī / Svētās dienās dzirdēt vari,  Kā rūc ragi, taures, bungas, / Kad šām sānus bada rungas. Augšas malā liels traktieris, / Kurā dažs daudz ēdis, dzēris; Lustūzī ar resnie papas / Liek iz pudelēm raut tapas' Bet ap muzikantu kori, / Tā kā bitītes ap dori, Prastākie iet, svilpo, lēkā, / Un kad spēlē, “bravo” brēkā (..). Nu nāk Ķengarags, kur arī / Vas`ras lustes baudīt vari. Katlakalnā tāpat dzīvo / Lustēdamies un dzer sīvo. Torņakalnā, Altenavā (..) Tad še viesošanās jauka!  Lēģerī stāv kroņa vīri, / Un kad virsnieki tiem vēlē, / Tad ar kara koklēm spēlē. (..) Balt`jā muižā, spilves malā; / Gutiņciemā ar`, tai galā:  Pilsētnieki, glītā vīzē, / Līksmojās kā paradīzē! (..) Bet ar vēl - ne gluži blaku / Gutiņciemam, klaus` ko saku Grāves muižas divos krogos, / Kuriem gan kāds caurums logos, Bet kas tak stāv ceļu malās / Lai ir ļaudis iekšā dalās; Tanīs svētdien – tas nav reti – / Tikko pulkstens apsit četri Muz`kanti kā vistas laktā / Sēd ar taurēm kroga kaktā. Un jau gaida, kad tie nācīs, / Kas pastellēt polkas sācīs.  Tā tad ar, līdz nodzer tēju / Un kad Dievs dod ceļa vēju, Kroga papam viesi riešās , / Kas pēc modes riņķī griežās.  Un nu, kas jo prātīgs rādās, / Taurētājiem priekšā stādās, Pavēl uzraut ekuseju; / Ņem tad Grieču vai ar Līzi, Kas tur sēd uz glītu vīzi / Un tad laiž, cik vien pajaudā, –  / Pēc tam savu mīļo glauda. (..) Bet ar Ķīp' un Zaķu salās / Kam visapkārt Daugav` dalās,  Ļaudīm neklājas vis slikti; / Zvejnieki tur danco dikti; Katris savu mīļo dīda / Un sper kājas, lai rīb grīda. (..) Redz` nu, draugs, voi tie nav prieki , / Ko tā bauda pilsētnieki?

Pasaulē kļūst arvien nemierīgāki un arī grūtāk prognozēt, kas varētu notikt tālāk. Savienoto Valstu prezidents Donalds Tramps cer, ka citas pasaules valstis nāks viņam palīgā karā ar Irānu, vispirms jau lai atvērtu drošajam tranzītam tirdzniecības ceļu cauri Hormuza šaurumu. Tomēr Eiropa nav gatava vēl vienam karam, tāpēc Trampam nācās piekāpties teikt, ka amerikāņi tiks galā paši. Vēl viena valsts citā reģionā, kas ir nonākusi pamatīgā krīzē, ir Kuba. Ziņas, kas pienāk no sociālistiskās salas, liek jautāt, vai daudzus gadu desmitus tur valdošajam režīmam nav pienākusi "x" stunda? Aktualitātes analizē Ģeopolitikas pētījumu centra vecākais pētnieks Jānis Kažociņš un laikraksta "Diena" komentētājs Andis Sedlenieks.  Kuba – nākamais Trampa eksperiments? Pagājušajā piektdienā, 13. martā, Kubas prezidents Migels Diass-Kanels publiski atzina, ka viņa valdība ir iesaistījusies sarunās ar Savienoto Valstu administrāciju. Tādējādi konkrētākas aprises ieguva pieņēmumi, ka Kuba, viens no pēdējiem totalitārā komunisma sistēmas reliktiem mūsdienu pasaulē, varētu kļūt par mērķi nākamajai Donalda Trampa aizrobežu kontroles palielināšanas operācijai. Katrā ziņā valsts sekretārs Marko Rubio, kubiešu emigrantu atvase, visai nepārprotami licis manīt, ka Vašingtonas mērķis ir režīma maiņa Havanā. Kā zināms, šis režīms tur pastāv kopš 1959. gada, kad kreisā „26. jūlija kustība” ar Fidelu Kastro priekšgalā gāza līdz tam valdījušo diktatūru un padarīja Kubu par sociālistiski orientētu Padomju Savienības satelītu Rietumu puslodē. 2019. gadā režīms gan piedzīvoja zināmu liberalizāciju, kad konstitūcijas reforma atgrieza politiskajā sistēmā vairākas demokrātijām raksturīgas institūcijas un normas, legalizēja privāto kapitālu un ārvalstu investīcijas, tiesiskajā sistēmā atjaunoja nevainīguma prezumpcijas un prettiesiskas ieslodzīšanas aizlieguma principus. Tomēr Kubas Komunistiskās partijas vadošā loma un komunisma celtniecība kā valsts pastāvēšanas mērķis konstitūcijā palika, un pašreizējais prezidents Diass-Kanels ir tipisks padomju stila autoritārs līderis, kurš kopš 2021. gada ieņem arī partijas pirmā sekretāra amatu. Ciešākais režīma sabiedrotais reģionā līdz nesenam laikam bija Venecuēla, un zīmīgi, ka 3. janvāra operācijas laikā Karakasā gāja bojā trīsdesmit divi kubiešu militāristi un specdienestu darbinieki. ASV embargo tirdzniecībai ar Kubu ir spēkā kopš 1960. gada, un ir ilglaicīgākais šādu sankciju precedents mūsdienu vēsturē. Kopš šī gada janvāra Vašingtona īsteno pret Kubu naftas blokādi, un tas draud ar pilnīgu energosistēmas paralīzi salā, kura nu jau pāris gadus piedzīvo visai smagus elektroenerģijas padeves pārtraukumus. Valsts transporta un veselības aprūpes sistēmas esot uz sabrukuma sliekšņa. Kā galvenais Havanas režīma pārstāvis sarunās ar Savienotajām Valstīm tiek minēts Rauls Rodrigess Kastro. Viņa vectēvs Rauls Kastro kļuva par Kubas kompartijas pirmo sekretāru 2011. gadā, kad šo amatu pameta viņa vecākais brālis un ilggadējais režīma vadonis Fidels. 2021. gadā vectēvs Rauls, tobrīd deviņdesmitgadīgs, nodeva varas grožus Diasam-Kanelam, tomēr mazdēla Raula Rodrigesa loma sarunās apliecina, ka Kastro dzimta, lai gan tās pārstāvji vairs neieņem kādu no nozīmīgākajiem valsts posteņiem, ir joprojām ietekmīga. Kubas diplomātiskās misijas vadītāja ASV, Lianisa Torresa Rivera, uzsvērusi, ka Kubas politiskā sistēma un sociālistiskais modelis neesot apspriežami jautājumi. Pagaidām Havanas vara piesolījusi kā labas gribas žestu atbrīvot piecdesmit vienu politieslodzīto. Kopš 2021. gada, kad Kubā izcēlās plaši pret režīmu vērsti protesti, režīma cietumos tiek turēti apmēram 1200 politieslodzītie. Hormuza „Šaurā Bezizeja” Vakar, 17. martā, no Teherānas pienākušās ziņas vēlreiz apliecina sabiedroto gaisa spēku un izlūkošanas efektivitāti – gaisa triecienā nogalināts Irānas drošības padomes vadītājs Ali Laridžāni, pēdējos mēnešos nereti minēts kā patiesais režīma līderis. Tāds pats liktenis piemeklējis bēdīgi slavenās paramilitārās organizācijas „Bāsidž” komandieri Golamrezā Soleimāni. Lai nu kurš, bet šie vīri darīja visu, lai viņu atrašanās vieta nebūtu viegli konstatējama. Kas attiecas uz Modžtabu Hāmenejī, kurš pirms desmit dienām ieņēma Irānas garīgā līdera posteni nogalinātā tēva vietā, tad viņš publiskajā telpā joprojām nav manīts, un arvien ticamāka šķiet versija, ka jaunais rahbars tiešām nogādāts Maskavā, ciktāl arī smagi cietis uzlidojumā. Vērienīgai atriebei par savu komandieru nāvi Irānai acīmredzot trūkst jaudas, tomēr tās raķešu triecieni vakar laupījuši dzīvības diviem izraēliešiem un vienam Abū Dabī iedzīvotājam. Pēdējās nedēļas laikā globālās uzmanības degpunktā arvien vairāk izvirzījies Hormuza šaurums, kas paliek bloķēts lielākajai daļai kuģu satiksmes. Deficīts globālajā naftas tirgū tiek raksturots kā dramatiskākais kopš pagājušā gadsimta septiņdesmito gadu naftas krīzes un apjomos plašākais jebkad pieredzētais. „Brent” marķējuma jēlnaftas cena joprojām svārstās ap 100 dolāriem par barelu, un tiek lēsts, ka tikai Starptautiskās enerģētikas aģentūras dalībvalstu lēmums iepludināt tirgū četrsimt miljonu barelu no savām stratēģiskajām rezervēm liedz tai kāpt vēl augstāk. Saūda Arābija un Apvienotie Arābu emirāti daļēji kompensē tranzītu caur Hormuzu, izmantojot naftas vadus uz ostām Sarkanās jūras un Arābijas jūras piekrastē, taču to maksimālā kapacitāte ir ekvivalenta apmēram ceturtajai daļai no ierastās plūsmas cauri šaurumam. Irāna gan paziņojusi, ka cauri Hormuzam ļauts kuģot Ķīnas, Indijas, Pakistānas un arī NATO dalībvalsts Turcijas kuģiem, un tiek ziņots, ka daži šo valstu kuģi patiešām šķērsojot šaurumu pa īpašu maršrutu gar Irānas krastiem. Sākot ar 15. martu Savienoto Valstu prezidents Donalds Tramps sociālo tīklu publikācijās un intervijās sāka paust prasību, lai Hormuza šauruma problēmas militārā risinājumā iesaistās arī citas valstis, bet 16. martā paziņoja, ka, ja nesagaidīs pretimnākšanu, tas būšot, citējot, „ļoti slikti NATO nākotnei”. Gaidītā militārā entuziasma vilnis no partneru puses tomēr izpalika. Kā viņu viedokļa kvintesenci pasaules prese visbiežāk citē Vācijas aizsardzības ministra Borisa Pistoriusa pirmdien teikto: „Tas nav mūsu karš, mēs to nesākām.” Ar dažādām diplomātiskās stilistikas niansēm no praktiski visām Eiropas galvaspilsētām izskan, ka ja kāds vēlas partneru iesaistīšanos tik nopietnā pasākumā kā karš, viņam būtu jāpapūlas informēt šos partnerus par saviem plāniem un kara mērķiem. Galu galā vakar pievakarē, uzņemot Baltajā namā Īrijas premjerministru Maiklu Mārtinu, mājastēvs paziņoja, ka Amerikai nekādu palīdzību nevajagot, tiesa, palīgos nenācēji esot nepateicīgi. Sagatavoja Eduards Liniņš.

Prokurator Piotr Kosmaty opowiada o kulisach pracy w prokuraturze, odpowiedzialności za akt oskarżenia i realiach prowadzenia najtrudniejszych śledztw w Polsce. Rozmawiamy o presji mediów, emocjach podczas pracy z podejrzanymi oraz o tym, czy prokurator rzeczywiście „przesłuchuje morderców”.Moim gościem jest Piotr Kosmaty – prokurator związany m.in. ze sprawą zaginięcia Jarosław Ziętara. W odcinku poruszamy temat błędów śledczych, długotrwałych postępowań i tego, dlaczego niektóre sprawy wracają do mediów po latach.To rozmowa o władzy, odpowiedzialności i cienkiej granicy między prawdą a dowodem.

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Recorded live at the Wind Operation and Maintenance Australia 2026 conference, Allen, Rosemary, Matthew, and Yolanda are joined by Thomas Schlegl for a panel discussion on where the Australian wind industry is headed over the next five years. Sign up now for Uptime Tech News, our weekly newsletter on all things wind technology. This episode is sponsored by Weather Guard Lightning Tech. Learn more about Weather Guard’s StrikeTape Wind Turbine LPS retrofit. Follow the show on YouTube, Linkedin and visit Weather Guard on the web. And subscribe to Rosemary’s “Engineering with Rosie” YouTube channel here. Have a question we can answer on the show? Email us! Alright, let’s get started. This is the, the final event of this three day marathon. Uh, where will we be in five years? And I have, uh, pretty much everybody from the Uptime podcast and Thomas Schlagel from eLog Ping. Uh. Uh, Rosie and I had a big argument before we all came about what we were going to be in five years, and Rosie’s and my opinion differed quite a bit just on, that’s, uh, that’s what led to me suggesting the personality test because yes, and that was, that’s actually a really good suggestion. So I know something about myself now, but, uh, I, I think talking to people here, watching the presentations. And having an American slash European perspective on it. I think every, everybody can chime in here. Australia’s probably on a better pathway than a lot of places. Yeah. Well, I know I’ve been back in Australia for about [00:01:00] five years, five years. Before that I was in Denmark. I left Australia. Because I was so like in despair about the state of renewables and also manufacturing and just doing smart engineering in Australia. Um, so yeah, when I came back five years ago, I was a bit shocked at how different things were in Australia. And I was also, you know, like I will say that it, we were, we were behind like way less mature than other, um, markets in terms of how we operated our wind energy assets. Um, and it’s changed so much in five years, so like a half day, if I’m making predictions for where we’ll be in five years time, I have to, you know, like use that as a, it, it’s probably gonna be more than you would think in five years, just based on how far we’ve already come in, in five years. Um, so yeah, I think that five years ago people were trusting a lot more in the full service agreements. Um, definitely there’s very few people who are still naive that that’s just, you know, um, a set and forget kind of thing that you [00:02:00] can do and not worry about it. Everybody’s now aware that you need to know, um, about your assets and we’re already to the point where there are like a lot of asset managers know so much, um, and, you know, have become real experts and really wasn’t, wasn’t the case five years ago. So. I’m hopeful for that. Um, you know, that it, it will continue and yeah, probably at a faster pace than, um, what we see elsewhere. I think Australia is a really attractive market, not just for developing new wind projects, but also for developing all of the kinds of supporting technologies, which is, you know, like a lot of the people here either using or developing those kind of technologies. And some of our challenges here make it the perfect place to, yeah, develop new text because. Things are, it’s really expensive to do repairs here. Um, the operating conditions are harsh and so things wear out and it just means that it’s, you can put together a positive business case for a new tech here much sooner than you could overseas. So I’m really [00:03:00] hopeful that we see, you know, like a whole lot of innovation, um, in, in those kinds of technologies that are gonna help wind energy get a lot more mature. And even hearing some of the answers from last year to this year, you see that shift. Uh, I was really shocked last year how much reliance there was on. The FSA and now I hearing a lot more discussion about, all right, we need to be shadow monitoring. We need to be looking at the, the, the data coming off, trying to hack, break into the passwords to get to the SCADA system, which was new, but I feel like very Australian thing to do. Matthew, you’ve been in the small business in Australia for, for several years in the wind business. What do you see? I mean, you’ve been in it like for five years now. Plus actually more than that, uh, I actually did my first wind farm around 20 oh 2001. Okay. Or 2002. Um, that was from a noise perspective. So I, I’ve seen things, you know, the full cycle. Um, you know, there were many years of [00:04:00]despair, the whole, um, stop these, stop these things. I’m actually featured, I was featured on Stop these things. So, um, don’t, don’t Google it. It was pretty horrible. So, um, we did a lot of work around infrasound and noise impacts and so there was many years which were, were pretty horrible. Um. Over that time, I sort of relate to my daughter. My daughter’s turning 21 soon. She is a beautiful girl, turning into an adult, a wonderful adult, and it’s, I think the wind industry is really growing, maturing, growing up, and you know, is wonderful to see. And I think we are, we’re only gonna get better, stronger. And I think one may, one note I made here is that now they’ve got wind, solar batteries. I just think it’s unstoppable, so I’m super optimistic that we’re only gonna keep, you know, raising that bar. Well, if you look at where Australia is compared to a lot of the places on the [00:05:00] planet, way ahead, in terms of renewable energy. I mean, you’ve got basically $0 in electricity for, because of how much solar there is, plus the batteries are coming in and, and the transmission’s coming online. And I’m talking to some people about, uh, what these new developments look like. If you’re trying to develop some of these projects in the United States, you’re not gonna be able to do them. There’s, there’s too many regulatory hurdles, and it seems like Australia has at least opened some of the doors to explore. Uh, people in America, the companies in Europe are gonna be watching Australia, I think in, in terms of where we go next. Because if Australia can pull off pretty much a renewable grid, which is where you’re headed, others will follow because it’s just a lower cost way of running a, running an electricity grid system. Yeah. Now I need to perform my, um, regular role of being a Debbie Downer. Um, I, I think that there’s, there’s big challenges and it’s definitely not, um, a case of [00:06:00] the status quo now is good enough to carry us through to a hundred percent renewables. Um, there are some big, big problems that need to be solved. Like, uh, solar plus batteries in Australia is, is going amazing and it’s gonna do a lot. It’s not gonna, it will be incredibly hard to get to, you know, a fully renewable grid that way. The problem with wind is at the moment, I mean, it’s getting more expensive to install wind now and we don’t only need to install new wind farms, we’ve also got existing wind farms that are retiring. So we need to either extend those or we need to, um, you know, build new wind farms in their place. So we do need to get better there. And then I think that the new technologies, like, you know, I’m the blades person and the bigger blades are bigger problems like, like dramatically. I don’t think that your average, um, wind farm owner or wannabe wind farm owner is aware, like actually how many more problems there are with big blades compared to smaller ones and. I think that, like I said earlier, I [00:07:00] think Australia’s a great place to get those technologies, um, you know, developed. But we, we need to do that. That’s not like a nice to have and oh, everything will be a little bit better, but if we can’t maintain our assets better and get more out of them, um, we also need improvements with manufacturing. But it’s not really an o and m thing. I won’t talk too much about it. But yeah, I think that like we can’t be remotely complacent. Well, I think in, in Europe, uh, Thomas, you actually spent several months in Australia, and you’re obviously from Austria, so it’s an Austria Australian connection. Do you see the differences between the Austrian market, the German market, and what’s happening here in Australia? What, what do you think of the comparison between the two? So, what I, what really was fascinating from was the speed of, um, improvements we see here in Australia. It. Um, just for me, wind industry in my young industry, sorry, was always rather slow in Europe and [00:08:00] like not really adopting. Um, and here, sorry. For example, last year you asked the question how many. Of the audience to use sensors for shadow monitoring and no hand was raised right. It was zero silence. And uh, this year we even had a few percentage on, on sensors on the, on the cido. So you see only within a year like this gradually graduated, improvements are happening and I think that makes such a, um, speed in, in improvements and that will. Close to the rescue again. Thank you. And that, um, that will bring Australia to a big advantage. Um, especially I think overtaking, uh, at a certain point, and it would be great to see in five years from now, um, maybe Europeans, Austrians, uh, coming to Australia to. [00:09:00] To learn and not the other way around. Yeah, and, and especially with Yolanda working for the biggest energy company in Denmark, uh, in America, you see how Americans react to change and, and the reluctance to move forward on some of the things we talked about this week, which are, do seem to be moving a little bit quicker. There is more an acceptance of CMS systems here. And on in the States, it seems like you have to really fight. A lot of times to get anybody to listen, to do something because it’s all, it’s financially driven in some aspects, but it’s sort of like, we don’t do that here, so we’re not gonna listen to it. What’s been your experience being on a, this is your first time in Australia, what, what has been your experience this week and what have you learned? I was very pleasantly surprised by just the amount of collaboration that everybody really wants to have here and the openness to, to do so, and to learn from each [00:10:00] other, um, and to accept just, you know, if you’ve seen an issue and or someone else has seen an issue, then you can really learn from each other. And it doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to silo yourself as much as, as you typically do in the United States. I mean, it is a different culture, right? And so it’s just. Honestly, hats off to, to Australians for, for being able to, to work with each other, so, so well, yeah. The discussions out at the lunchtime and the coffee area were uniquely different than what we generally will see in the United States. And Matthew, you’ve been around a lot of that too, where it kinda gets a little clique. But here, I mean, obviously, I mean, not just human nature, but on some level I felt like, oh, there’s a lot of interaction happening and it’s really loud. So people are engaging with one another and trying to learn from one another, or at least connect. And I, I think in a lot of times in Europe, there’s not a lot of the connection until the, the drinking starts, you know, at about 10. Uh, but. Uh, Matthew, did you see that too? [00:11:00] Like I was really pleasantly surprised. That was a good thing to see here. Yeah. And in my former life as a consultant, I dealt with, you know, construction, uh, road rail, you know, I mining a whole range of industries. And, um, one of the reasons why I’ve stayed in wind is ’cause I, you know, I love the people, you know, I love you all. So, or, um, but no, I think, um, the. The collaboration, the willingness to talk, um, the willingness to share ideas. And I think, I think I’ve been super, super, super happy about the way the panels have run, you know, everyone’s willing to share. Um, yeah, I’m, I’m just stoked. Yeah, Rosie, this is all your fault, honestly, because Rosie was always the, the contrary opinion. So I would say something and Rosie would feel obligated to say something as the opposite. But when, when we all started this discussion about, uh, a, a wind turbine conference, you had been to a bad wind turbine conference in Australia and I had been to a really bad one in the States and we were just, okay, that’s enough. And the movement [00:12:00] toward, let’s get some information, let’s everybody interact with one another. Let’s, we will give all the presentations to people at the end of this so you can access data. You’re not spending a ton of money to come. That was a, a big part of the discussion, like, I’m spending $5,000 to listen to sales presentations for three days. I don’t want to do that anymore. We try to avoid that in this conference. Hopefully, if you notice that and, and, and. I guess the conference board is up here right now. Are we gonna do Woma 2027? Are we gonna decide that today? Or. Yes, yes, the website is live. Um, I also wanna take this opportunity to, um, thank the, the sponsors of the event. And I hope that you’ve noticed that it’s not like these aren’t the sponsors of normal events where they’re like, okay, we’ll give you a bunch of money and then we’re gonna stand up and talk at you for half an hour about our new product launch or whatever. Like these sponsors haven’t, they haven’t got back [00:13:00] in the traditional way that you, you would with a kind of, um, event. So I’m really grateful for the very high quality sponsors that we’ve got. And, um, yeah, I just, I, I dunno if I’m allowed to share a little bit about the, the economics of this event. Um, if we didn’t have the sponsors tickets would cost twice as much. So, um, that’s one thing. But then the other key thing that we. Really couldn’t do it without sponsors is that we didn’t, our event didn’t break even until about a week ago because everyone buys their tickets late. Um, so yeah, the, the, we would’ve been having heart attacks, um, months ago about our potential, you know, bankruptcy from running the event if it wasn’t for, um, yeah, the, the great sponsors. So thanks to everybody that did that. Um, and everybody that attended consider buying a ticket earlier next time. Um, I, I’m the worst. I often buy my ticket the day of, of, of an event. So it’s, you know, like it’s a pot calling the kettle black. But, um, yeah, that’s just a bit of the, [00:14:00] the reality. And we have a number of poll questions. Uh, let’s get producer Claire back there to throw ’em up on the screen. So while we’re doing that, we should really thank Claire. Claire has been amazing. Yeah. Thank you, Claire. So the emojis are from Claire. Claire, clearly here. Uh, how do you feel about the, the current state of the wind industry? Hopefully there’s more smiley faces after this week. Well, alright, we’re a hundred percent rosemary. We had to put the one with the, yeah. And for me personally, um, I used to feel a lot more optimistic when I worked in design and manufacturing. And then when I come into operations, that like automatically makes you feel a bit more pessimistic. And then me specifically, like I only get involved when really bad things are happening. And so sometimes for me, like it’s easy to think. [00:15:00] When technology is just not good enough and, you know, I need to find a new industry to move into. So, uh, it is good to talk, talk to other people and, you know, like bring my reality back to a kind of a midpoint. And I, I just like to say, I, I think, I mean maybe there’s been a bit of OE em bashing here maybe. Um. Um, however, we need really strong OEMs, so I just wanna put a shout out to the OEMs and say, yeah, we absolutely need you. So just keep doing it. You will keep doing better, so thank you. Yeah, it’s a difficult industry to be in and we put a lot of demands on them and they, they’re pushing limits, so yeah, they’re gonna run into problems. That’s fine. Let’s just find solutions for them. Alright, uh, next question, producer Claire. What is the best thing you learned at Woma? This is not multiple choice. You can write whatever you want. Stealing passwords. [00:16:00] Did any of us learn anything? Unexpected contracting? Oh yeah. Get the contract right? Oh yeah. Yeah. Dan was really good. Yeah, Dan was great about contracting, looking on the other side of that fence. Cybersecurity is not that big of an issue in Australia. That’s some big thing in Europe, so yeah, it is. I was surprised by the environmental factor in Australia. I was surprised about the birds. Yeah. Everyone who wasn’t in the birds workshop yesterday, Alan was freaking out about, about how Australian wind farms have to manage birds and um, you have to freeze a bird for 12 months. I don’t, where do you have to freeze it for a bird? I don’t know. But that, it just is a little odd, I would say. Yeah. All right, Rosemary, you gotta take away Rosemary’s phone. Alan’s personality test. Yeah, there we go. That was not me. Wind farm toilets was a good one. Thank you, Liz, for, for raising that. [00:17:00] Yeah, I know when I worked in, um, Europe and Canadian wind farms, I would have to strategize my liquid intake for the day. Balancing out tea will help keep me warm, but on the other hand. Did everybody meet up with someone who had a solution? That was part of the goal here is to put people with solutions in the room with people with problems and let you all sort it out. So hopefully that was one of the things that happened this week. Or if you haven’t connected here, be able to connect with over LinkedIn or over coffee later. And the networking on the app and networking page on the website. Right. So you can actually use that now that’s all live. Yeah. So you can, you can connect through there if you’ve selected to. To keep your contact information open. Yep. You can connect through there so it’s easy to, if you need somebody to find my or Matthew’s email, you can just find it right there and we’ll upload the presentations, as you said. Right. The presentations we uploaded. But you have to select into that, Matthew, is that right? Also, the speakers [00:18:00] have to approve them as well. Right. And the, and all the speakers, you know who you are. Can let us know if we can use your slide decks to public size them. I didn’t see anything there that looked highly classified, so I think that would be fine. Alright. This is really interesting. Convince OEMs to install better pitch bearings. That’s very true. Okay, thanks you for that. Claire, what’s the next one? What do you wish you learned more about? So Matthew did a tour before the conference several months ago. And, and went to a lot of the operators and said, what would you like to hear about? So the things that were, uh, the seminar or the different workshops and all that were the result of talking to each of the operators about what you would like to see. So hopefully we covered most of them. Uh, obvious There. There’s some new things. Gear boxes. Yeah. I figured that one was coming. Tower retrofits. Okay. Good, good, [00:19:00] good. ISPs? Yeah. Life extension. Yeah. A lot of life extension. I agree. Well, we’re gonna run into that to the United States also. Asbestos. I’ve read some things about that in Australia. Okay. Which leading protection work by name. I do, I do have, well, lemme see. I do know that answer, but you’re gonna have to talk to Rosemary to get the, the key to the vault there. I I also think that you can’t assume that it’s gonna work in Australia. I think that, that like really seriously, I, I wouldn’t, um. I wouldn’t replace my entire wind farms leading edge protection based on what worked well in Europe and America. So, um, I would highly suggest, um, getting in touch with me and or bigger to get involved in a trial if you, that’s a problem for you. Yeah, definitely get involved in the trial. Uh, more data is better and if you do join that trial, you will have the keys to the castle. They will tell you how all the other pro uh, blades went. Uh, trainings and [00:20:00] skills, obviously that’s a, that’s a international one. When does ROI really happen? Yeah. Yep. We hear that quite a bit. Needs have proven good products for leading edge erosion. Yep. Okay. Yeah. So the que I guess one of the questions is, is that we did not on purpose, did not have any vendor things. I haven’t mentioned my product once this week. I, because I don’t want to, you know, that’s not the point of this conference, but should we. I don’t know. I mean, that’s a, should we have people standing up and I don’t know if it’s standing out there, but able to, to trial things. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree with what. I, I don’t, I don’t want that. Oh, yeah. No, I don’t want that. But it’s not my conference. Right. It’s, it’s everybody who c comes and wants to participate. What do you wanna see? Do you wanna see 10 leading edge products out in the hallway or, I didn’t mind that people were putting like stickers and like little knickknacks out on [00:21:00] tables. That was fun. Rosemary’s got a, a satchel full of them. Alright, Claire, is that the last one? There’s one more. All right. Hang on for one more. What’s your biggest takeaway from Woma? That you’re gonna buy your tickets early for WMA 2027, hopefully, and you’re gonna sponsor. I had a lot of people come up to me and say they would like to sponsor next year. And that’s wonderful. That will really keep the, the cost down because we’re not making anything off of this. I’m losing money to be here, which is totally fine ’cause I think this is a noble effort. Uh, but we will keep the cost as low as we can. We have an upgraded venue from last year. If you attend last year we were at the library, which was also a very nice facility, but this is just another level. Mm. Um, and the website has the ability to register interest in sponsorship. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve already got, uh, Jeremy’s already shook my hand. He’s already committed. Yeah. [00:22:00] Uh, I think we’ll have a lot of three pizzas on, on sponsorship for next year, and that’s good. Uh, that tells you there’s some value to be here and, and, uh, connect stickers, Rosemary stickers. There you go. I like whoever put calories up there. That’s funny. Yeah. You know the thing about, uh, this city is you can eat and it’s so dang good. You can’t do that in the states. You can’t just walk around in a random. Downtown like Detroit, Chicago. There are places you can eat there, but every place you walk into in this city is really good food. It’s crazy. Yeah. It’s, it’s uh, sort of addictive. I’m gonna have to go home on Saturday or not gonna fit in my seat. Um, alright. This is great. Yeah. We really love, um, constructive feedback. I think we’re all, or at least. Vast majority of us are engineers. We like to know about problems and fix them. So, um, most of us can’t have our feelings hurt easily. So, you [00:23:00] know, be very, very direct with your feedback. And, um, yeah, I mean the event should be different every year, right? Like, we don’t wanna do the exact same thing every year, so, um, it will change. Yeah. Yeah. And there is a survey going out as well, so Georgina will send out a survey. All right. So those surveys go to who? Matthew, are they going to you or are they going to all attendees and go? I think it goes back to Georgina, but we’ll, okay. Yeah. Great. So if you do get a, a form to fill out, please fill it out. That helps us for next year. Are we gonna be back in the same city? I say Yes. Yes. Yeah, this place is great. Sydney is also lovely. I spent an hour there at the airport. It was quite nice, but it was long enough. As I learned from people from Melbourne that Sydney is not their favorite place to go. So I guess we’re, we’re here next year. Is there anything else we need to talk about? Um, no. I mean, I’ve just been, uh, my favorite thing about this event is like the, the size of it and that people, uh, like very closely related in what we’re interested in that. It’s not like a, [00:24:00] you can put any two random people together and then we’ll have an interesting conversation. So I’ve really enjoyed all of the, you know, dozens of conversations that I’ve had this week. And, um, yeah. So thank you everybody for showing up with a open and collaborative, um, yeah. Frame of mind. It’s, yeah, couldn’t be done without everybody here. We do have a little bit of an award ceremony here for Rosemary, so we actually put together. A collage of videos over the last, um, five years. Uh, this is news to me. What? Yeah. Surprise. All right. Let it roll. Claire. Champion Rosie Barnes is here. Everybody. Climate change is a problem that our politicians don’t seem to be trying. Particularly hard to solve. This used to frustrate me until I realized that as an engineer, I have the power to [00:25:00] change the world, and unlike some politicians, I choose to use my powers for good. So I made a gingerbread wind turbine, I mean, a functional gingerbread, wind turbine, functional and edible. Everything except for the generator is edible. Alan, what were some of your takeaways from our talk with, uh, with Rosie? Well, I just like the way she thinks she thinks in terms of systems, not in terms of components. And I, I think that’s a, for an engineer is a good way to think about bigger problems. On today’s episode, we’ve got, well, some exciting news. Number one. Rosemary, uh, Barnes will be joining us here today as our co our new co-host. Yeah, thanks. Thanks so much for having me. So, you know, one wind turbine with, um, wooden 80 meter long wooden blades. Yeah. Like, that’s so cool. What a great engineering challenge or, you know, craftsmanship challenge, um, there, but, you know, I’d like to see one [00:26:00]wooden wind turbine blade, but not, not more than that. It’s a, it’s a cool, it’s a cool novelty. And then burn it, right? If you burn it, then you’ll catch the carbon. We need someone within the Australian wind industry to start up a, a better conference. Um, you know, it should be allowing you to kind of put your finger on the pulse and figure out, you know, what, what’s the vibe of wind energy in Australia at the moment? Um, what are the big problems people are having and then, you know, some potential solutions, some people talking about things that are coming up that you might not have heard about yet. I just think that it’s much easier to get a good value conference from a, like a, a small organization that is really dedicated to the, um, topic of the, of the conference. So as part of the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast, Rosemary, the YouTube ci, these little gold plaques. So this is actually, this is your first gold plaque, but you have two [00:27:00] silver plaques also. ’cause engineering with Rosie reached a 100,000 subscribers. Uh, the uptime also reached a hundred thousand subscribers a while ago, but we reached 1 million. This is the first time I, we’ve been in person, but I could actually hand you this award. So congratulations Zi. Very, very well done. Thank you. This is treasured and, um. Yeah, added in. Nothing like that has ever happened to me before, so I’m bit overwhelmed. I, I’m interested to know, we got that Wheel of Fortune footage from, ’cause I thought that was lost. Lost forever. It’s over. It’s on YouTube. Sadly. It is. It’s 24. All the episodes Rosemary competed in the Wheel of Fortune. She was on four times. Six times. Six times. Sorry. There’s only four available on the internet. You may have white scrub tube. I wanna massaging Lazy Boy. Is that your husband? He made me get rid of it. He is like, that thing is hideous. And [00:28:00] it was, yeah. Thank, thank you so much. And I mean, yeah, this is the, the uptime wind energy. Um. Yeah, podcast achievement. It’s, um, it’s crazy how, how popular that, um, it’s in insanely popular since we crossed the 1 million mark that was a while ago. We’re up to 1.6 million right now. We’ll cross 2 million this year. I know it’s, it’s clear Claire’s reason. It mostly clear and it honestly is. Uh, but wind energy is a big part of the energy future, and as I’m realizing now, uh, when you start to reach out to people, you realize how important it is for the planet and for individual countries that wind energy is part of their electricity grid. So the, the information we exchange here this week is very valuable and reach out to others. I think that’s part of this wind industry and Matthew’s pointed out many times, is that we share. So unlike other places, uh. Wind energy likes to work together. And that’s great to hear and it’s great to participate in. So I wanna thank everybody here for attending, uh, this conference. Thank you to all the sponsors. Uh, you [00:29:00] made this thing possible. Uh, as Matthew has pointed out, we’ll be at WMA 2027. The website is live. So, uh, listen to Rosie. Please register now. Uh, and uh, yeah. Thank you so much for, for being with us. And we’ll see you in February right here. Thank you.

W rozmowie z Jaśminą Nowak prokurator Piotr Kosmaty mówi o nowej odsłonie sprawy zabójstwa dziennikarza Jarosława Ziętary. Porusza także niewyjaśniony wątek służb specjalnych.

Magicians can perform seemingly impossible feats. Objects appear and disappear, change and transform. But how do these things happen? Zi teaches the science of how our senses really work, and how the work of magicians exposes the flaws in our perception that are normally invisible to us in everyday life.

Con un gol di Ziółkowski la Roma riacciuffa il Panathinaikos ed evita i playoff di Europa League. Il Bologna fa il suo battendo il Maccabi Tel Aviv ma sfiora solo la top 8. Un focus sull'ultima giornata della League Phase di Europa League e su Lazio - Genoa, che apre la 23° giornata di Serie A. Con Andrea Di Giacomo e Michelangelo D'Agostino. Potrero, dove tutto ha inizio. Un podcast sul calcio italiano e internazionale.Su Como TV (https://tv.comofootball.com) nel 2026 potete seguire in diretta le partite della Saudi Pro League, Saudi King's Cup, Supercoppa d'Arabia, Copa Libertadores, Copa Sudamericana, Recopa, Liga Profesional Argentina, Trofeo de Campeones argentino, Eredivisie, Coppa di Francia, Scottish Premiership, Coppa di Scozia, Scottish League Cup, Scottish Championship, Coppa di Portogallo, Supercoppa di Portogallo, HNL croata e tutti i contenuti di calcio italiano e internazionale on demandDiventa un supporter di questo podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/potrero--5761582/support.

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Ziņa par maģistra darbu aizstāvēšanu RARZI. Svētā Jāzepa vīru rekolekcijas Aglonā februārī, liecības par Svētā Jāzepa vīru kustību, garīgumu, darbību.

Turpinām sekot līdzi notikumiem Irānā, pieaugošajai spriedzei Grenlandē un dažām aktualitātēm Moldovā. Aktualitātes analizē Latvijas Radio Ziņu dienesta žurnālists Uldis Ķezberis un laikraksta "Diena" komentētājs Andis Sedlenieks. Sazināmies ar Latvijas Ārpolitikas institūta Tuvo Austrumu programmas vadītāju Sintiju Broku-Kovalevsku. Irānas sacelšanos slīcina asinīs Protesti, kas Irānā uzliesmoja pērnā gada nogalē, pagājušās nedēļas otrajā pusē strauji vērsās plašumā un ieguva arvien konkrētāku politisku saturu. Cilvēku miljoni, izgājuši apmēram 180 pilsētu ielās, skandēja lozungus par valdošā islāma teokrātiskā režīma gāšanu un monarhijas atjaunošanu. Pašreizējais Irānas Islāma republikas režīms izveidojās pēc revolūcijas 1979. gadā, kad tika gāzts līdz tam valdījušais šahs Mohammads Rezā Pehlevī. Šahs mira trimdā 1980. gadā, bet viņa titula mantinieks ir vecākais dēls, kroņprincis Rezā Pehlevī, kurš vada 2013. gadā Parīzē nodibināto Irānas Nacionālo padomi, vienu no galvenajām irāņu trimdas organizācijām. 6. janvārī kroņprincis nāca klajā ar aicinājumu vērst protestus plašumā, kas arī notika. Režīms savukārt uzsāka plašu globālā tīmekļa pieejas un citu sakaru bloķēšanu, varas pārstāvji vērsās pret protestētājiem arvien vardarbīgāk. No protestētāju puses notika valsts iestāžu ieņemšanas un aizdedzināšanas gadījumi, tika aizdedzinātas arī vairākas mošejas. Varas pārstāvji, pirmām kārtām Islāma Revolūcijas gvardu korpusa kaujinieki, sāka laist darbā šaujamieročus; parādījās ziņojumi par snaiperu un ložmetēju izmantošanu. Irānas augstākā līdera Alī Hāmenejī publiskie izteikumi kļuva arvien draudošāki. Viņš protestētājus raksturo kā valsts ienaidniekus, kuri kalpojot Savienoto Valstu interesēm. Ziņas par bojāgājušo skaitu pagājušās nedēļas nogalē sasniedza vairākus simtus, šobrīd kā minimālais skaits tiek minēti jau vismaz 2500 cilvēku, taču avoti piesauc arī daudz lielākus skaitļus – divpadsmit un pat divdesmit tūkstošus nogalināto. Tiek ziņots, ka bojā gājuši arī apmēram 140 varas pārstāvju. Vairāk nekā 16 000 protestētāju esot arestēti. Daudzu skati šobrīd pievērsti ASV prezidentam Donaldam Trampam, kurš jau vairākkārt solījies iesaistīties, ja režīms uzsāks neapbruņotu ļaužu slepkavošanu, kas šobrīd jau visai nepārprotami notiek. Vakar Baltā nama saimnieks savā sociālā tīkla kontā „Truth Social” publiskoja ierakstu, aicinot protestētājus nepadoties un paužot, ka palīdzība jau esot ceļā. Šodien, 14. janvārī, Tramps publiskojis arī brīdinājumu Teherānas režīmam neuzsākt nāvessodu izpildi protestu organizēšanā apsūdzētajiem. Pērnās nedēļas nogalē arestētā un uz karstām pēdām tiesātā Efrana Soltani radinieki ziņojuši, ka šodien viņam paredzēts izpildīt nāvessodu. Grenlandes „saldējuma” tīkotājs Tramps Šai dienai var būt tālejošas sekas Grenlandes un Dānijas, bet arī Eiropas un pasaules vēstures gaitā. Šodien, 14. janvārī, Baltajā namā jānotiek sarunām starp ASV viceprezidentu Džeimsu Deividu Vensu un valsts sekretāru Marko Rubio no vienas, un Dānijas ārlietu ministru Larsu Loki Rasmusenu un Grenlandes ārlietu ministri Vivianu Mocfeldu no otras puses. Ziemeļu karalistes pārstāvji cer mazināt spriedzi, kas savilkusies ap pasaulē lielāko salu pēdējās nedēļās, kad Savienoto Valstu prezidents Donalds Tramps ar jaunu sparu pauž apņemšanos padarīt šo autonomo Dānijas kroņa zemi par amerikāņu teritoriju. „Vieglā vai smagā veidā,” izteicies Baltā nama saimnieks, ar „smago” diezgan nepārprotami domājot iespējamu militāru akciju. Vēl pavisam nesen ka tāds bija neiedomājams, bet amerikāņu zibenīgā specoperācija janvāra sākumā Venecuēlā liek uzlūkot šādu iespēju kā krietni reālāku. Vēl jo vairāk, lasot prezidenta Trampa nesenos izteikumus par to, ka viņa rīcībai vienīgais ierobežojošais faktors esot paša morāle, bet nekādi ne starptautiskās tiesības. Savukārt Dānijas premjerministre Mete Frederiksena norādījusi, ka piesauktais „smagais veids”, respektīvi, Savienoto Valstu militāra akcija Grenlandes pārņemšanai nozīmēs Ziemeļatlantijas alianses beigas. Vašingtonas līdzšinējie partneri Eiropā nonāktu ļoti sāpīgas izvēles priekšā, kur vienā svaru kausā būtu solidaritāte ar Dāniju, otrā – Savienoto Valstu turpmāka dalība Eiropas aizsardzībā, jo sevišķi atbalsts Ukrainai cīņā pret Krievijas agresiju. Atbildot Trampa argumentiem par it kā iespējamu Krievijas vai Ķīnas invāziju Grenlandē, ja to nepārņems Savienotās Valstis, Rietumeiropas partneri, sevišķi Vācija un Lielbritānija, pauduši gatavību kāpināt savu militāro klātbūtni salā. Tomēr ļoti daudzi apšauba to, ka drošības apsvērumi patiešām ir prezidenta Trampa un viņa administrācijas motīvs. Daudz ticamāka šķiet vēlme tikt pie ziemeļu salas izrakteņu resursiem, kontrolēt kuģošanas ceļus, kas varētu kļūt aktīvāki līdz ar ledus kušanu Arktikā un arī apmierināt Baltā nama saimnieka arhaiski impēriskās ambīcijas. To visai nepārprotami paudis viņš pats, pirms dažām dienām sakot: „Mēs runājam par iegūšanu īpašumā, nevis iznomāšanu. [..] Mums ir bāzes Grenlandē. Es varētu izvietot tur vairāk karavīru, ja vēlētos, bet vajag vairāk. Vajag īpašuma tiesības. Vajag titulu.” Kā liecina aptaujas, diezgan daudz ir grenlandiešu, kuri vēlētos pilnīgu suverenitāti, taču 85% no viņiem ir kategoriski pret iespējamu pāreju Savienoto Valstu pakļautībā. Vai Moldova kļūs par Rumāniju? Pirms dažām dienām, runājot britu podkāstā „The Rest is Politics”, Moldovas prezidente Maija Sandu paziņoja, ja notiktu referendums par viņas valsts atkalapvienošanos ar Rumāniju, viņa balsotu par. Moldovai esot arvien grūtāk vienai izdzīvot pašreizējā nestabilajā pasaulē. Kā zināms, moldāvi un rumāņi runā praktiski identiskā rumāņu valodā, viduslaiku Moldāvijas kņazistē ietilpa tagadējās Moldovas un līdzās esošās Rumānijas austrumdaļas zemes, un starp abiem pasaules kariem tagadējā Moldova bija Rumānijas karalistes sastāvdaļa. No etniski vienotā kopuma Moldovu atrāva staļiniskā Padomju Savienība, 1940. gadā to anektējot un izveidojot Moldāvijas Padomju Sociālistisko republiku. Tātad jautājumam par Moldovas iespējamu apvienošanos ar Rumāniju ir vēsturisks un etniski kulturāls pamatojums. Šis motīvs vēl vairāk aktualizējās pēc Krievijas pilna mēroga agresijas pret Ukrainu, kad Kišiņeva sajuta pieaugošus draudus savai suverenitātei gadījumā, ja Krievijai izdotos īstenot savus ekspansijas plānus. Kopš Moldovas neatkarības 1991. gadā pastāvošais Piedņestras separātiskais reģions ir potenciāls tramplīns Krievijas agresijai ne vien pret Moldovu, bet, iespējams, arī tālāk uz rietumiem. Pie tam Kremļa agresija nav tikai ārēja – Moldova pastāvīgi izjūt prokremlisko spēku darbošanos valsts iekšienē gan attiecīgas ievirzes politisko partiju veidā, gan kā separātisma tendences autonomajā Gagauzijas teritorijā. Tomēr šajā pat podkāsta materiālā prezidente Sandu atzina, ka, viņasprāt, idejai par apvienošanos ar Rumāniju trūkstot Moldovas sabiedrības vairākuma atbalsta. 2024. gadā notikušajā referendumā neliels moldāvu vairākums – 50,4 procenti – nobalsoja par valsts dalību Eiropas Savienībā. Moldovas eirointegrācija, šādi likvidējot lielāko daļu tiesisko un administratīvo šķirtņu ar Rumāniju, joprojām šķiet reālāka alternatīva nekā atgriešanās pie pagājušā gadsimta pirmās puses situācijas.   Sagatavoja Eduards Liniņš.

[00:00:00] George Buhnici: Invitatul nostru în această seară este profesorul nostru preferat, domnul Dumitru Borțun. [00:00:05] Bine ați revenit, domnul profesor! Mulțumesc! Avem o teme fierbință la ordinea zile și una [00:00:10] dintre cele mai importante. Voi începe cu breaking news-ul săptămânii acestea. [00:00:15] asasinarea în public a unei dintre cei mai importanti să le spunem [00:00:20] așa, exponenței republicanilor MAGA din Statele [00:00:25] Unite Un tânăr de 31 de ani, Charlie Kirk, împușcat de un [00:00:30] aparent radicalizat care credea el că Charlie Kirk [00:00:35] împrăștie ură.[00:00:36] Dumitru Bortun: Da, dar se pare că ăsta e mai fascist decât [00:00:40] Kirk. Sunt doi radicali care au un discurs alurii [00:00:45] și unul și altul. [00:00:47] George Buhnici: Ok. Sunt doar câteva zile de la [00:00:50] moartea lui Charlie Kirk. Noi suntem la un pic de distanță, destul de safe. Acolo spiritele sunt atât de fierbinți [00:00:55] încât... Guvernatorul statului iutaiei le-a recomandat oamenilor să plece de pe social media pentru că era furia [00:01:00] prea mare.Trăim într-o economie a furiei. Însă deci de la distanță din [00:01:05] experiența noastră, când vă uitați și la Charlie Kirk și la asasinul lui, [00:01:10] nu vedeți o victimă și un agresor? [00:01:13] Dumitru Bortun: Ba da. Și [00:01:15] regret că un om tânăr și doar un [00:01:20] influencer, nu un om care apasă pe butoane, care ia decizii politice [00:01:25] Este omorât. Lasă în urma lui [00:01:30] doi copii fără tată, lasă o soție tânără, [00:01:35] neconsolată deci lucrurile astea sunt oribile.Dar [00:01:40] vreau să vă spun că asistăm la [00:01:45] simptomul unei rupturi foarte puternice în societatea americană. [00:01:50] Pentru că un astfel de eveniment nu polarizează o societate în halul ăsta, [00:01:55] dacă societatea respectivă nu este deja polarizată, dacă nu e [00:02:00] ruptă în două părți, cel puțin. Deci ruptura [00:02:05] preexista. [00:02:06] George Buhnici: Ok, vedem deja această ruptură care este [00:02:10] amplificată de toate părțile implicate de an de zile în Statele Unite, nu e nouă.Am văzut o [00:02:15] mâncă dinaintea lui Obama, apoi s-a transferat primar Am Trump [00:02:20] și a lui Biden și acum am ajuns la punctul la care vedem tentative de asasinat tot mai [00:02:25] des. Am văzut și cea împotriva lui Donald Trump, am văzut atentate teroriste, au fost denumite [00:02:30] încindierile showroom-urilor Tesla, tot pe motive politice.În momentul [00:02:35] acesta vedem această ruptură care ajunge în faza pe gloanțe, ca să zicem așa. [00:02:40] Faza pe, cum zic cei din zona militară, faza kinetică. [00:02:44] Dumitru Bortun: [00:02:45] Da, da. Este întâi faza violenței simptomale Simbolice, [00:02:50] când ne vorbim urât și ne jurăm, urmează faza violenței [00:02:55] fizice. După aceea urmează faza [00:03:00] gloanțelor, cum bine ați spus, și, Doamne ferește [00:03:05] următoarea este faza războiului civil.Deci genul [00:03:10] ăsta de conflict este amplificat din păcate de noile [00:03:15] mijloace de comunicare în masă, așa zisele new [00:03:20] media, tot ce ține de internet, de rețele sociale, de bloguri, de [00:03:25] vloguri și așa mai departe. Podcast-uri. [00:03:28] George Buhnici: Charlie Kirk [00:03:30] este un om născut din acest val de social media. Este unul dintre oamenii care a [00:03:35] folosit excepțional de bine algoritmul, avea [00:03:40] propriului podcast și a creat un ONG și a creat această faimă de om care [00:03:45] poate să dezbată cu oricine, mai ales în public, să zicea în universități și transforma chestia asta.[00:03:50]Un pe care îl publica peste tot. A devenit extrem de influent și a atras [00:03:55] destul de mulți oameni care au ajuns să-l susțină pe Donald Trump [00:04:00][00:04:00] Dumitru Bortun: prin aceste [00:04:01] George Buhnici: activări ale lui. [00:04:02] Dumitru Bortun: Sunt de acord că era foarte talentat [00:04:05] și că avea un talent deosebit de a mobiliza, avea o [00:04:10] anumită carismă de la modul în care arăta, la modul în care [00:04:15] vorbea, punea problema.Dar vreau să vă spun că, așa [00:04:20] zisele... Dezbatere ale lui nu erau chiar [00:04:25] dezbateri Vedeți că există pe internet, spun pentru cei care ne [00:04:30] urmăresc, dumneavoastră știți, pentru că le-am primit chiar de la dumneavoastră, sunt [00:04:35] două filme cu un cadru didactic un lecturer de la [00:04:40] Universitatea Cambridge, care face analiză pe text, [00:04:45] face analiză de discurs.[00:04:47] George Buhnici: Și vorbim despre niște dezbateri [00:04:50] pe care Charlie Kirk le-a făcut în Europa, a fost la Cambridge, la [00:04:55] Oxford și s-au zis acolo încercând să convingă universitățile britanice [00:05:00] să se lepede de ochism. [00:05:03] Dumitru Bortun: Să se [00:05:05] lepede de tot ce înseamnă stânga. Ochismul este doar pretextul. Așa. Vor să [00:05:10] scoată universitățile de sub influența mișcărilor [00:05:15] de stânga.Cele care vorbesc despre o societate deschisă despre emanciparea [00:05:20] oamenilor despre libertatea de alegere, despre [00:05:25] progres și care [00:05:30] sunt teme nesuferite celor de dreapta din Statele Unite. [00:05:35] Și am început cu aceste mari universități legendare [00:05:40] universități din Europa. Eu vreau să vă spun că acest film, care este [00:05:45] un...Studiu este un film didactic foarte reușit. Eu mi-am și [00:05:50] scos pe hârtie după ce mi-ați trimis... [00:05:55] Filmul, mi-am scos grășelile, pentru că și eu [00:06:00] predau gândire critică. Fallacies, nu? Fallacies. Erori de gândire [00:06:05] din perspectiva teoriei critical thinking. Și sunt de [00:06:10] pildă moving the goalpost, adică a schimba regulile [00:06:15] sau chiar subiectul sau criteriile după care discuți [00:06:20] și analizezi o problemă în timpul discuției.Sau burden of [00:06:25] prof, datoria de a dovedi ceva, o presiune de a dori ceva [00:06:30] pe care o pui în celuilalt. Sau post hoc, ergo [00:06:35] procter hoc. Post hoc înseamnă în latină după aceea, procter hoc, [00:06:40] din cauza aceea. Acest sofism, că dacă ceva urmează după [00:06:45] altceva, înseamnă că este efectul acelui fenomen. Doar pentru că e [00:06:50] după el.Nu e neapărat o relație. cauzală. El practică această [00:06:55] eroare de argumentare. Formă personal incredibility, [00:07:00] incredality, adică neîncrederea personală. Eu nu cred în ce spui. Tu nu poți [00:07:05] să credi așa ceva. [00:07:05] George Buhnici: Într-o dezbatere științifică chestia asta e inacceptabilă [00:07:08] Dumitru Bortun: E inacceptabilă. Nu mă interesează [00:07:10] că tu nu poți să crezi.E problemă subiectivă. Poate te-a bătut taică tu când erai mic. Poate [00:07:15] ai avut un unchi care era șeptic. Nu știu care e istoria ta [00:07:20] personală. De ce nu crezi treaba asta? Deci... Pe urmă [00:07:25] red herring, cherry picking, sunt mai multe [00:07:28] George Buhnici: [00:07:30] tehnici [00:07:31] Dumitru Bortun: tacticile, numește ele giz galop, [00:07:35] argument from tradition, pentru că s-a mai întâmplat, [00:07:40] înseamnă că e adevărat.Pentru că, așa, [00:07:45] argumentele circulare, de genul avortul e greșit fiindcă este o [00:07:50] crimă iar crimă este greșită. Deci te învârți în același, fără să [00:07:55] demonstrezi de ce este o crimă. Ai sărit peste etapa asta. [00:08:00] Cel care te ascultă aude doar faptul că crimă e [00:08:05] greșită ceea ce e corect, și tragi concluzia că și avortul e greșit.[00:08:10] Fără să... Argumentezi implicația de la mijloc. [00:08:15] Corect Este o crimă. Deflection. Deflection [00:08:20] înseamnă abatere, abatere la subiect. Mă abat de la subiect pentru că simt că tu [00:08:25] îl argumentezi mai bine și că eu nu mai am argumente. Corect Și atunci [00:08:30] schimbă subiectul, mă abat de la... Și în sfârșit special [00:08:35] plating, când decretăm că ceva este o excepție fără să [00:08:40] argumentăm.Bine ce special plating Spui tu, e o excepție În general, lucrurile astea au cum zic eu, fără [00:08:45] să... Toate lucrurile astea au fost depistate de [00:08:50] acest profesor de la Cambridge. Și puse pe film și a arătat fragment [00:08:55] din discuție între Kirk și un student [00:09:00] de la Universitatea în Cambridge, unde arăta cum a făcut această [00:09:05] greșeală.Deci una dintre erorile de [00:09:10] argumentare este că tu nu dovedești adevărul a ceea ce [00:09:15] spui dar aștepți ca celălalt să contrazică, spune, [00:09:20] dovedește-mi că n-am treptate. Nu e datoria lui să dovească că n treptate, e datoria ta să [00:09:25] dovedești că ai treptate. Deci dialogul ăsta era mai mult, cum să vă spun, un show, [00:09:30] un spectacol, din care probabil câștiga și bani, dar era finanțat [00:09:34] George Buhnici: [00:09:35] de mulți miliardari Charlie Kirk și nu doar el, prin acel ONG Turning Point [00:09:40] USA.Pentru cei care vor un pic mai mult context, nu știu câtă răbdare aveți să urmăriți toată [00:09:45] scena asta americana, eu o fac destul de îndeaproape, Charlie Kirk, [00:09:50] într-adevăr folosea exact toate texturile tehnicele pe care le-a spus și ceva în plus, dar reușise să fie atrăgător pentru [00:09:55] social media, pentru că livra soundbites, livra TikTok-uri, livra chestii condensate [00:10:00] într-un minut, în care te convingea că creștinismul este bun, iar islamul este [00:10:05] greșit, că albii sunt mai buni că negrii sunt răi, că omosexualitatea este sau nu [00:10:10] acceptabilă, căsătoria într-un fel Și în momentul în care era pus în fața unei dezbateri cu [00:10:15] oameni cu pregătire, cu educație, argumentele lui de foarte multe ori cedau.Asta s-a [00:10:20] întâmplat inclusiv în anumite universități Însă de cele mai multe ori Reușea să facă chestia asta cu [00:10:25] studenți În scena publică De pe o poziție în asta Nu știu câți dintre voi ați urmărit să tea [00:10:30] într-un cort Cu oameni în fața lui Ca și cum ar propovădui ceva Știți că e [00:10:35] interesantă chestia asta Că toți avem într-un fel sau altul până la un punct Acest cult al lui Iisus Că vrem să ne [00:10:40] împărtășim adevărul nostru Iar cei care interacționea el De foarte multe ori erau puși pe piciorul din [00:10:45] spate Pentru că el era un comunicator Excepțional de bun Ce [00:10:48] Dumitru Bortun: povestiți dumneavoastră [00:10:50] se numește în teoria discursului Miza scenă Punere în scenă [00:10:55] Sau încadrare unui discurs El asta făcea făcea frameworking [00:10:59] George Buhnici: Cu [00:10:59] Dumitru Bortun: [00:11:00] cortul ăla [00:11:01] George Buhnici: Exact, și el din cortul ăla Sătea de vorbă interacțiunea cu oameni pe [00:11:05] care îi bombarda Cu toate argumentele Pe care le-a spus puțin mai devreme Pentru oameni cu [00:11:10] pregătire filozofică Semiotică, comunicare, toate lucrurile astea Erau transparente [00:11:15] vedeau Prin ele, mai ales că făcea de foarte mult Tot ce a spus dumneavoastră Într-o dezbatere foarte [00:11:20] articulată cu acel student De la Cambridge, tot muta ținta Pentru că una dintre [00:11:25] temele De dezbatere de acolo, foarte scurt Ca să vă dau un rezumat o să vă dau link-urile Pentru aceste [00:11:30] analize Să le dați [00:11:31] Dumitru Bortun: neapărat, că sunt instructive Pentru că și [00:11:35] ascultătorii Noșterii trebuie să învețe Să se ferească de [00:11:40] Oratorii păcălici Care păcălesc auditorii [00:11:43] George Buhnici: Corect [00:11:45] Vă dau un exemplu foarte simplu Unul dintre argumentele lui Charlie Kirk este că [00:11:50] Creștinismul a susținut întotdeauna monogamia și asta este căsătorie într-un bărbat și o [00:11:55] femeie.Și că asta este bună pentru că nici o civilizație avansată [00:12:00] nu a avut căsătorie între persoane de același sex. [00:12:05] Și este contrazis. Și atunci nu insistă, nu doar să fie acceptată, să fie în lege, să fie legiferată. Și [00:12:10] studentul vine și spune, a fost legiferată în Mesopotamia. În Mesopotamia putea să ai [00:12:15] căsătorie între un bărbat și un bărbat.[00:12:17] Dumitru Bortun: Legar. O mare civilizație. [00:12:18] George Buhnici: O mare civilizație. Și îl [00:12:20] spune, da, da și la ce i-a ajutat chestia asta? Din nou tot muta ținta. Și zice, păi, a rezistat niște mii ani. Măi, la [00:12:25] civilizație americană nu are încă mii de Dar aminte, mii de ani de civilizație. [00:12:30] Acum, nu trebuie să fim de acord sau nu cu ce au făcut cei din Mesopotamia.Mesopotamia nu mai e [00:12:35] astăzi. Problema este cum [00:12:37] Dumitru Bortun: argumentăm. Exact. [00:12:39] George Buhnici: Bun. [00:12:40] Am vorbit așadar despre care este semnificația acestui asasinat. Nu vom lămuri încă, dar mie [00:12:45] mi-este clar că ce va urma, vor fi mai puține astfel de dezbatări în public. Exista totuși [00:12:50] valoare în ceea ce văd eu că făcea Charlie Kirk, faptul că pornea o conversație și cu oameni care [00:12:55] Nu îl simpatizau, nu erau de acord cu el și care chiar puteau să îl [00:13:00] dezbată.Nu aveau forța lui de expunere, dar puteam să vedem, cei care am urmărit [00:13:05] suficient de mult, că dincolo de prove me wrong a lui Charlie Kirk, da, [00:13:10] erau momente când era wrong. Dar foarte mulți politicieni se feresc de dezbatări. Și asta este [00:13:15] meritul lui, faptul că au umplut un gol. Bun. [00:13:20] Și acum, întrebarea, că noi avem o listă de teme aici prin care trebuie să trecem, nu avem foarte mult [00:13:25] timp la dispoziție, de aia o să ne vedeți că poate că ne grăbim un pic, dar încercăm, nu știu cât puteți să stați, [00:13:30] e seara, e duminică vă mulțumim că ați venit.Întrebarea care vine acum [00:13:35] este, totuși când devine acest free speech, acest absolutism al [00:13:40] libertății [00:13:41] Dumitru Bortun: de expresie, [00:13:41] George Buhnici: că putem să spunem orice, [00:13:45] unde se oprește această unde punem o limită pentru această exprimare, pentru [00:13:50] orice, ca să nu ajungem în astfel de situații în care unul din tabăra cealaltă să spună trebuie să te [00:13:55] opresc cu orice preț, pentru că împrăștii ură, între ghilemele.[00:13:58] Dumitru Bortun: Să fie clar aici sunt [00:14:00] două extreme, domnul Bucnici Primul lucru pe care îl vreau să-l spun este [00:14:05] că nu e cazul să apelăm la așa zisul bun simț, că aud foarte des [00:14:10] lucrurile astea la comentatori superficiali pe postul de [00:14:15] televiziune pe rețele sociale. Bunul simț este un ghid foarte bun, [00:14:20] pentru că bunul simț e definit cultural.El difere de la o [00:14:25] cultură la altă cultură, de la o subcultură la altă subcultură deci e [00:14:30] circumscris unei culturi sau subculturi. Deci bunul simț nu este universal. [00:14:35] Deci nu rezolvă. La nivelul unei societăți imense, cum e societatea nord-americană, [00:14:40] n-ai cum să apelezi la bunul simț ca... La un criteriu [00:14:45] universal valabil pentru a te opri unde trebuie cu libertatea de expresie.Și [00:14:50] atunci vă spun două lucruri. Sunt două extreme aici. Pe de o parte, [00:14:55] libertatea de expresie dusă la paroxism poate să ducă la [00:15:00] [00:15:05] violență. [00:15:10] Deci odată este violența asta [00:15:15] verbală, violență [00:15:20] simbolică, violență psihologică prin priviri, până la [00:15:25] violența gloanțelor, cum spuneați, și până la, Doamne ferește un război [00:15:30] civil.Deci violența poate să ducă pentru că eu îmi exprim [00:15:35] gândurile mele fără să am nicio oprelișe, pentru că mă prevalez [00:15:40] amendamentului al Constituției Americanei, libertatea de expresie. [00:15:45] Ori, libertatea de expresie poate să ducă la faptul că îi jignesc pe seminii mei, că [00:15:50] le dau motive să-mi furie, le dau motive să se răzbune, [00:15:55] să-mi replice și așa mai departe.Pentru asta s-a inventat [00:16:00] ceea ce se numește corectitudine politică. Dar corectitudinea politică [00:16:05] ea limitează la extrema cealaltă pentru că mai e o problemă aici [00:16:10] De atâta corectivine politică ajungi să [00:16:15] sufoci să restrângi reptul la liberă exprimare. [00:16:17] George Buhnici: Exact. [00:16:18] Dumitru Bortun: Se [00:16:18] George Buhnici: ridică pendulul [00:16:20] în extrema cealaltă. În cealaltă [00:16:21] Dumitru Bortun: extremă.Deci nici corectivinea politică nu este [00:16:25] absolut, un criteriu absolut, pentru că asta [00:16:30] acumulează frustrări, acumulează... [00:16:33] George Buhnici: Haideți să dăm două exemple, [00:16:35] dacă vreți. Una dintre chestiile, pe care Charlie Karrick le spunea, este că [00:16:40] tinerii de culoare au mai multe probleme pentru că nu [00:16:45] trăiesc cu un tată în casă pe parcursul [00:16:50] copilăriei lor.E o chestie culturală în familiile de culoare din Statele Unite. [00:16:55] Undeva la trei din patru tați, bărbați, pleacă de acasă. [00:17:00] Și îl zicea că ăsta este un motiv pentru [00:17:05] violența lor, pentru lipsa lor... Delinvență. Delinvență. Copilăria [00:17:08] Dumitru Bortun: în stradă [00:17:09] George Buhnici: [00:17:10] Intră chestia asta la libertate de exprimare? [00:17:13] Dumitru Bortun: Intră, dar când [00:17:15] îți dai seama că jignești și pui pe jar o mare [00:17:20] categorie umană, poți să te abții și să spui așa, [00:17:25] există familii americane în care tații lipsesc, nu își îndeplinești [00:17:30] rolul și nu oferă un pattern cultural, un model cultural de [00:17:35] comportament băieților.De aici ies tinerii responsabili, [00:17:40] bărbați care nu pot întemeia o familie și care nu se vor putea purta cum trebuie cu [00:17:45] soțiile și cu copiilor. De ce? Fiindcă n-au un model anterior. Dar nu spui neapărat că-s [00:17:50] negri. Pentru că s-ar putea ca majoritatea să fie într-adevăr din [00:17:55] populația de culoare pentru că se explică [00:18:00] culturalicește.Din cultura lor există [00:18:05] treaba asta, că bărbatul poate să plece când vrea. Dar nu spui. [00:18:10] Pentru că asta se numește responsabilitate. Domnul Bun, și nu este vorba nici de a încălca... Chiar dacă [00:18:15] e [00:18:15] George Buhnici: adevărat statistic? [00:18:17] Dumitru Bortun: Dacă e adevărat statistic, [00:18:20] adevărul nu e niciodată un scop în sine. Un scop în sine e binele. Eu [00:18:25] pot să imaginez o politică adevărului spus în așa fel, într-un [00:18:30] anumit fel, într-un anumit...În un moment, unor anumiți oameni ca să facem bine nu ca să [00:18:35] facem rău. Pentru că ipocrizia aia să știți că am fost sincer. Nu mă ajută cu nimic. [00:18:40] Cu sinceritatea ta ai distrus o familie. Ai înăgrit [00:18:45] imaginea unui părinte fața copilului său. Ai distrus prestigiul unui profesor în [00:18:50] fața elevului. Poți să faci foarte mult rău fiind sincer.Ai spus adevărul [00:18:55] Sau ai spus ce credeai tu că trebuie spus. De acord. Trebuie să ne înfrânăm singuri. [00:19:00] Asta se numește responsabilitate. Adică să fii conștient de consecințele [00:19:05] faptelor tale. Și când zic fapte, zic și acte de comunicare. [00:19:09] George Buhnici: Asta este cea [00:19:10] importantă lecție pe care mi-ați dat-o și mie în vara lui 2022.Da. Că până la urmă cuvintele [00:19:15] contează. [00:19:15] Dumitru Bortun: Da. [00:19:16] George Buhnici: Pe de altă parte însă, comportamentul și afirmația lui Charlie [00:19:20] Kirk, din nou vin după ce pendulul s-a ridicat prea mult în partea cealaltă și am ajuns în situația în care [00:19:25] putem să permitem unor bărbați să se declare femei. Deși, [00:19:30] biologic, sunt masculi. Doar pentru că au decis [00:19:35] dintr-o dată că vor să se declare femei, că vor să umble pe unde sunt femeile și [00:19:40] nimeni nu se opune la această chestie Ca nu-i [00:19:42] Dumitru Bortun: jignească.[00:19:42] George Buhnici: Ca să nu-i jignească. Acea [00:19:45] corectitudine politică de care vorbiți noastră a dus-o la extrema cealaltă. Sunteți de acord că este și asta o extremă? [00:19:49] Dumitru Bortun: Da. [00:19:50] Și sunt de acord că în istorie sunt... Sunt mii de cazuri de idei [00:19:55] bune care au căput pe mâna unor ticăloși și care s-au transformat în [00:20:00] lucruri oribile. Idei bune.Care se degradează în mâna unor oameni [00:20:05] Care nu sunt la înălțimea ideii. A construi o societate [00:20:10] bazată pe reguli de comportament civilizat. Corectiunea asta politică ar trebui tradusă [00:20:15] corect în românește corectiune socială. Fiindcă la ei politic are mai multe sensuri [00:20:20] Aici e sensul de la polis. De la societate De la societate [00:20:25] Deci corecțiune socială să fim corecți unii cu alții, să nu ne umilim, să [00:20:30] nu facem bullying.Ce mi se pare [00:20:32] George Buhnici: mie grav este că de foarte multe ori oamenii care [00:20:35] ajung să facă rău altora, o fac în numele [00:20:40] altor oameni sau altor ființe mai nou care nu sunt de față. [00:20:45] Nu ați observat lucrul ăsta? Da, da da. E interesant. Ne punem noi ca [00:20:50] apărători ai... Ne erijăm în... Protectorii unei categorii defavorizate. [00:20:55] Da atacăm individul, îl luăm individual din mulțime, deci îl [00:21:00] discriminăm pentru că ar face rău unor [00:21:05] clase care nu sunt prezente.[00:21:06] Dumitru Bortun: Dar eu aș vrea să termin ideea pentru că n-am spus [00:21:10] decât jumătate din ea. Mă scuzează că m-am... Nu, nu m-ați întrebat. [00:21:15] Ați făcut completării necesare. Începusem să spun [00:21:20] cum nu trebuie să gândim să nu venim cu argumentul bunui simț pentru [00:21:25] că nu rezolvăm mare lucru. Bunul simț nu poate fi cuantificat și nu este universal [00:21:30] valabil.Difere de la o cultură la altă Însă, pide la cultura [00:21:35] afroamericanilor la cultura albilor protestanți. Și diferă [00:21:40] bunul simț de la cultura în raport cu cultura catolicilor. Deci [00:21:45] sunt culturi în care ceea ce e de bun simț pentru mine, [00:21:50] pentru ei nu e de bun simț. Deci nu bunul simț trebuie să [00:21:55] prevaleze trebuie să prevaleze ideea de bine comun, codificată în [00:22:00] limbaj politic, interesul public.Interesul public ce înseamnă? [00:22:05] Să încerci să iei drept criteriul de evaluare unde ne oprim [00:22:10] cu libertatea de expresie, acolo unde se pune problema [00:22:15] binelui tuturor, dacă nu al tuturor, pentru că e greu de realizat asta, [00:22:20] binele cât mai mult pentru un număr cât mai mare [00:22:25] de oameni. Este criteriul utilitarismului.[00:22:27] George Buhnici: Ok, sau dacă vreți o întorc eu invers, [00:22:30] lucrurile pe care ne-am vorbit de foarte multe ori aici să reducem suferința. [00:22:33] Dumitru Bortun: Să reducem suferința. [00:22:35] Ăsta e criteriul doctrinei utilitariste o doctrină etică, [00:22:40] reprezentatul cel mai important e John Stuart Mill. Are și o carte apărută în limba română [00:22:45] în librării, se găsește utilitarismul.John Stuart Mill asta spune că [00:22:50] ai un criteriu pentru cât mai mulți [00:22:55] oameni. Criteriul ăla pe care îl spune [00:23:00] în Sinedru, marele preot al [00:23:05] Israelului, că e bine să-l sacrifice pe Iisus decât să facă rău unui [00:23:10] popor întreg, era un sofist de fapt pentru că poporul nu murea dacă [00:23:15] ei nu-l crucificau. Însă el pune, argumentul ăsta este, pentru că [00:23:20] Iisus era un singur individ, iar poporul lui Izrael era format din [00:23:25] milioane.Și atunci dă prioritate celor care [00:23:30] sunt mai mulți. Genul ăsta de a gândi însă este salvator în [00:23:35] multe situații, pentru că alt criteriu nu avem. Nu avem criterii absolute pentru bine și rău. [00:23:40] Și atunci ne oprim cu libertatea de expresie acolo ne simțim că facem rău [00:23:45] mai mare. Și atunci haideți să comparăm.Dacă merg pe [00:23:50] discursul urii ăsta creează niște frustrări și [00:23:55] niște replici. Și feedback-ul ăla pozitiv care [00:24:00] amplifica, am mai vorbit despre el, și care poate să se ducă până la război civil. [00:24:03] George Buhnici: Când ziceți feedback [00:24:05] pozitiv este amplificarea urii. E [00:24:06] Dumitru Bortun: amplificare, nu e negativ, adică nu scade. [00:24:10] Iar ăsta, [00:24:15] libertatea de expresie, care poate să fie [00:24:20] deșântată duce la niște jigniri dar nu duce la violență.Și atunci, [00:24:25] care este mai aproape de binele comun? [00:24:30] Discursul urii sau corectul înapolitic? [00:24:35] Înțelegeți cum trebuie să gândim? Dar [00:24:40] corectitudinea [00:24:43] George Buhnici: politică a fost acuzată de foarte [00:24:45] multe ori de conservatori că este un slippery slope, că este alunecoasă, că ne [00:24:50] aduce către alte probleme Lucru pe care îl vedem și începem să venim ușor către Europa, [00:24:55] că se pare că noi nu am învățat din ce s-a întâmplat în Statele Unite și vedem asta acum în [00:25:00] Marea Britanie.Pas cu pas, britanicii simt că au [00:25:05] alunecat, că au ajuns într-un stat care [00:25:10] încearcă să-i controleze, care încearcă să-i forceze cu [00:25:15] migrație excesivă. Pentru [00:25:18] Dumitru Bortun: că ei nu au ajuns la [00:25:20] nivelul de autocontrol. Deci eu când am vorbit până acum, eu [00:25:25] vorbesc idealizând puțin adică idealizând ființa umană ca fiind o ființă [00:25:30] morală care are responsabilitatea faptelor sale și [00:25:35] consecințele științelor faptelor sale și atunci îți pui problema ce e mai rău [00:25:40] corecturile politică sau discursul lor și până la urmă îmi spui că e mai rău [00:25:45] discursul lor, că poate să ducă la război civil.Dar aveți [00:25:50] dreptate că nu toți oamenii sunt capabili de gândirea asta, pentru că gândirea asta de tip [00:25:55] moral este și o gândire mai abstractă. Ori nu toți oamenii își termină [00:26:00] ciclu de formare spirituală Nu-ți rămân needucați pe la jumătatea [00:26:05] drumului, sunt așa zis și neisprăviți. Oamenii ăștia nu pot să gândească moral, nu pot să [00:26:10] se gândească la...De-aia pleacă de acasă și își lasă copiii de [00:26:15] izbeliște, pentru că nu sunt suficient de responsabili, nu [00:26:20] s-au maturizat, nu au intrat în etapa etică a vârstei a vieții, sunt la [00:26:25] vârsta estetică, fac ce le place. Deci genul ăsta de [00:26:30] comportament l-a țăizat bine. Există [00:26:35] și societatea americană, și în societatea [00:26:40] britanică dar la britanici și știu unde batez la evenimente recente, este vorba de [00:26:45] revoltele care au avut loc de curând împotriva [00:26:50] imigranților.[00:26:50] George Buhnici: Despre ele vreau să vorbim acum. [00:26:52] Dumitru Bortun: Da. [00:26:52] George Buhnici: Așadar am văzut [00:26:55] protestele foarte recente cu peste 100 de 100 de oameni în stradă mult peste 100 de mii În [00:27:00] anumite locuri am văzut 100 de mii că se spunea. Important este că au ieșit mult mai mulți în stradă cei [00:27:05] care scandează împotriva imigrației, în timp ce pe [00:27:10] partea cealaltă am văzut puțini oameni la protestele care să protejeze [00:27:15] imigranții.Am văzut inclusiv pancarte de pe tabara cealaltă [00:27:20] destul de greu găsit, care spunea să-i mulțumim Lui Dumnezeu pentru imigranții. Thank God for [00:27:25] immigration, da, și alte lucruri, că mai bine să ne educăm decât să urăm imigranții și așa mai [00:27:30] departe Pe de altă parte ceilalți vin și spun că imigrația a fost scăpată de sub [00:27:35] control și că imigranții abuzează serviciile sociale, că nu vor să se [00:27:40] integreze, că schimbă țesătura socială a Marii Britanii.[00:27:44] Dumitru Bortun: [00:27:45] Domnul Bucnici, să încep tot cu un adevăr banal dar de multe ori [00:27:50] trebuie să plecăm de la lucruri banale ca să construim un argument. [00:27:55] Imensa majoritatea oamenilor nu sunt filozofii [00:28:00] și cetățenii britanici intră în aceeași categorie. Nu fac filozofie [00:28:05] istoriei și nu gândesc din perspectiva unei [00:28:10] istorie a civilizației.Dacă... [00:28:15] Vedeți am citit cu ani în urmă istoria civilizațiilor al lui Arnold [00:28:20] Toynbee. Pe urmă am citit... citit cartea lui Neagos Juvara, teza lui de [00:28:25] doctorat de istoria civilizațiilor. Știți cât e de șocant [00:28:30] când citești așa ceva? Seamănă cu o vizită la [00:28:35] cimitir. După o vizită la cimitir se devalorizează [00:28:40] totul.Nu mai știi dacă merită să te lupti pentru ce te-ai luptat până în ziua de azi. [00:28:45] Când vezi acolo că cimitirul e plin de oameni de neînlocuit. [00:28:49] George Buhnici: Care [00:28:49] Dumitru Bortun: au [00:28:50] fost cineva la viața lor. Și care până la urmă ajungem tot. [00:28:54] George Buhnici: Deocamdată [00:28:55] Ați văzut liderii din BRICS Care își fac planuri pentru încă [00:29:00] 70 de ani Fiecare Și [00:29:02] Dumitru Bortun: ce vreau să vă spun [00:29:05] Are loc o devalorizare A mizelor Pentru care noi trăim [00:29:10] La fel este când vezi istoria La scară mare [00:29:15] Când am citit Neagul Juvara de pildă Faptul că [00:29:20] Atunci când se schimbă o civilizație Cu alta Ajung în [00:29:25] frunte Oameni care nu au nimic de pierdut Care în civilizația trecută Nu [00:29:30] aveau nimic Și sunt primii Care luptă pentru [00:29:35] schimbare Și în mod firesc ajung în frunte Nu te mai miri Că au ajuns [00:29:40] în fruntea României Cei mai bogați oameni Niște oameni neanalfabeți Sau niște [00:29:45] oameni semidocți Deci [00:29:47] George Buhnici: vorbim despre oportuniști Care [00:29:50] neavând nimic de pierdut Și asumă Riscuri pe care oamenii De treabă [00:29:55] Oamenii civilizati, educați Și care au [00:29:57] Dumitru Bortun: un statut socioprofesional La care [00:30:00] țin s-au învățat în el S-au învățat cu avantajele lui Ăia nu milțează [00:30:05] pentru schimbare Și cu timpul schimbarea Îi ia pe sus și ei rămân în urmă [00:30:10] Rămân printre ultimii Și în frunte se trezesc Ăia care nu aveau nimic de [00:30:15] pierdut Când Neagul Juvara face analiză istorică Și arată că de fiecare dată [00:30:20] S-a întâmplat așa Când s-a trecut de la civilizația agrară la civilizația industrială, [00:30:25] acum se trece de la civilizația industrială la civilizația informațională și sunt la același [00:30:30] lucru.Și zic dom'le, gata, am înțeles. Dar [00:30:35] devii mai calm, devii mai zen, înțelegi cum stau [00:30:40] lucrurile, nu te mai înfurii, nu te mai indignezi, nu mai protestezi. Ori acești [00:30:45] oameni care ies în stradă n-au cum să-și dea seama că există o [00:30:50] tendință la nivel civilizațional de [00:30:55] migrarea oamenilor din spre est spre vest și din spre sud spre nord.[00:30:59] George Buhnici: [00:31:00] Și care va fi amplificată [00:31:01] Dumitru Bortun: Va fi amplificată în viitor. [00:31:03] George Buhnici: Și [00:31:03] Dumitru Bortun: ei nefiind [00:31:05] filozofia istoriei nu pot să zic, da, dom'le, așa stau lucrurile, ăsta e trendul. Ies [00:31:10] și-și apără locurile de muncă, își apără fetele ca să nu fie [00:31:15] violate de niște oameni, care vin din alte țări, sau [00:31:20] pur și simplu își apără identitatea domnului București.Pentru că mulți au [00:31:25] problema asta. Sunt de altă religie. Sunt de altă [00:31:30] factură. Ăștia nu putem ști la ce ne aștept de la ei. Și de multe ori e și [00:31:35] ignoranța. Pentru că ce s-a înzblat în București cu [00:31:40] băiatul ăla pognit în față pentru că e diferit și pentru că e [00:31:45] invadatorul nostru, asta vine din ignoranță. O dată tipul ăla de [00:31:50] 22 de ani care l-a pognit în față nu știe că noi nu avem resursă [00:31:55] umană, nu avem forță de muncă pentru aceste joburi și în al lui el nu știe că oamenii ăștia [00:32:00] sunt ori hinduși ori budiști, ori confucianiști [00:32:05] din țării din care vin, în care sunt oameni pașnici oameni care nu fură, [00:32:10] sunt mai cinstizi decât majoritatea românilor.Noi până nu facem [00:32:15] un chilipir, până nu păcărim pe cineva Pe [00:32:17] George Buhnici: da. Cum? Pe medie da. Pe [00:32:18] Dumitru Bortun: medie vorbesc. [00:32:20] Noi avem o rală a foloaselor necuvenite pe care se vede în toate domeniile. De la ăla [00:32:25] care i-aș pagă până la ăla care plăcează la doctorat în loc să [00:32:29] George Buhnici: [00:32:30] muncească el. Corect. Dar e exact ca în trafic, am mai dat exemplul ăsta de foarte [00:32:35] multe ori, unul singur trebuie să iasă din coloană și îl vedem toți.O să ne fugă atenția la [00:32:40] el. Un singur migrant care creează o problemă, la câteva mii, zeci de [00:32:45] mii, noi avem prea puțin într-adevăr Doar pentru câte nevoie este de resursă umană. Dacă stai de vorbă [00:32:50] cu orice antreprenor din țara, s-o să spună că duce lipsă acută de forță de muncă de [00:32:55] orice nivel de calificare.[00:32:56] Dumitru Bortun: Dar noi schimbarăm puțin subiectul. Asta era doar o [00:33:00] paranteză. Problema era că ăsta fiind străin, fiind diferit, fiind de altă religie s-ar [00:33:05] putea să cine știe ce ne facă. Fiindcă noi nu-l cunoaștem. [00:33:10] Documentează-te, interesează-te. [00:33:12] George Buhnici: Ajungem și acolo pentru că România este într-o situație foarte [00:33:15] interesantă.Această comunicare atât agresivă împotriva [00:33:20] imigranților într-o țară care de fapt are mari probleme de [00:33:25] emigrație, nu de imigrație. Este o țară de emigranți, nu în care se imigrează. Până și [00:33:30] ucrainenii. Era un comedian care a făcut o poantă foarte, foarte faină [00:33:35] care spunea că românii sunt atât de [00:33:40] primitori încât sunt mai mulți ucraineni refugiați în Bulgaria decât în România.Ăia [00:33:45] ca să ajungă în Bulgaria să treacă prin România, nu să oprescă, să duc la Bulgari. Bă, și Bulgaria e mai săracă Și [00:33:50] totuși sunt mai mulți ucraineni per total, ca număr refugiați decât în România. Te pun [00:33:55] un pic pe gânduri chestia asta. Ăia nu sunt nici de altă culoare, nici de altă religie. [00:34:00] Merg la următoare întrebare.[00:34:04] Dumitru Bortun: Dumneavoastră, nu [00:34:05] aveți o explicație? [00:34:06] George Buhnici: Ba da. [00:34:07] Dumitru Bortun: Nu suntem așa cum ne place să credem [00:34:10] că suntem. Că suntem toleranți și primitori. Știți cum suntem noi? Suntem ca [00:34:13] George Buhnici: mașinilele pe care scrie [00:34:15] sport. Dacă scrie sport pe mașină mașina aia nu-i sport. N-ar fi [00:34:20] nevoie [00:34:20] Dumitru Bortun: să scrie. [00:34:21] George Buhnici: Exact. [00:34:22] Dumitru Bortun: Deci noi ne punem aceste podoabe că [00:34:25] suntem toleranți.Dar din când în când în [00:34:30] istorie am dovedit că nu suntem. Dumneavoastră știți cât greu s-a [00:34:35] desfințat sclavia în România? [00:34:36] George Buhnici: Am fost ultimii din Europa care am oprit eobagia. [00:34:40][00:34:40] Dumitru Bortun: Da. [00:34:40] George Buhnici: Am [00:34:41] Dumitru Bortun: fost ultimii în Europa care am destinsat robia. Romii erau [00:34:45] robi. Asta sclavacism. Și era sub [00:34:50] presiunea Europei exact cum este acum.Ne spuneau [00:34:55] dacă vreți să vă primim în cadrele noastre și să deveniți europeni, trebuie să [00:35:00] terminați cu mizeria asta care este sclavacism. [00:35:05] Robii domnești, robii mânăstirești, robii boierești. Și toți erau [00:35:10] romi Deci asta nu înseamnă... Și eu [00:35:15] vă spun, am auzit acum câțiva ani, la aeroport eram la otopeni, o [00:35:20] discuție între niște din poliția de aeroport.Ce mă mai [00:35:25] revede că așteaptă și niște oameni acolo să uită și zice ăia sunt oameni, sunt țigani. Deci [00:35:30] această formă de [00:35:35] rasism și această formă de șovinism există încă, dar nu e [00:35:40] recunoscută palpită Știți? [00:35:45] În populația României și în instituții de multe ori Constituțiile statului au [00:35:50] astfel de atitudini.Deci nu. Pământ, gândiți-vă ce am făcut [00:35:55] în timpul celui de-al doilea război mondial vis-a-vis de evrei. Și [00:36:00] multe alte exemple. Nu mai zic ce au făcut [00:36:05] administratorii români în cadrii la ter în timpul ocupației românești de acolo Cu [00:36:10] turții, cu tătarii. Sau-au făcut [00:36:12] George Buhnici: jandarmii în Basarabia. [00:36:13] Dumitru Bortun: Da, jandarmii care [00:36:15] au lăsat o amintire foarte urâtă acolo.Deci toate lucrurile astea scot [00:36:20] la iveală anumite aspecte ale psihologiei românilor de care [00:36:25] nu ne place să vorbim, le băgăm sub covor, dar care îi zbognesc din când în [00:36:30] când. Iată de ce în România nu se simt foarte [00:36:35] bine niște oameni veniți din afară și preferă să se ducă în Bulgaria, de pildă, care [00:36:40] e mai sărac.[00:36:40] George Buhnici: Vin de la festivalul vinului moldovenesc, [00:36:45] pe Kiselev. Acolo am fost în seara asta și [00:36:50] de fapt profesional mă uit la oameni. Am văzut un cuplu de [00:36:55] japonezi cred că era, și un singur tip de culoare. În [00:37:00] rest nu prea am văzut străini. Pe de altă parte ni se tot spune pe social media că [00:37:05] românii habar nu au ce să Frumoasă țară au și ce [00:37:10] frumoasă e coeziunea noastră socială în care nu suntem invadați și care să [00:37:15] ținem să protejăm chestia asta.Din nou, nu sunt sigur [00:37:20] dacă îmi doresc să văd mult mai mult străini, dar nu sunt sigur [00:37:25] dacă avem prea puțini. [00:37:27] Dumitru Bortun: Eu unul m-aș bucura. Eu sunt [00:37:30] unul dintre oamenii care valorizează pozitiv diferența. [00:37:35] Care cred că diferențele sunt o sursă de dezvoltare, [00:37:40] sunt un bagaj. Apropo de cei care scuiau, [00:37:45] ne-a dat Dumnezeu darul ăsta cu imigranții, [00:37:50] pentru că unii îi urăsc și vor să-i trimită înapoi iar alții spun că este un [00:37:55] dar de la Dumnezeu să ai imigranții, să ai în primul rând o forță de muncă pentru anumite [00:38:00] meserici, în al doilea rând să ai o diversitate culturală religioasă.Care e problema? [00:38:05] Care e problema că sunt diferiți de tine? Te sperii atât mult diferența? Te bag [00:38:10] așa în angoasă și în insecuritate și în incertitudine? Iată, [00:38:15] deci, eu cred că oamenii care îi urăsc pe străini sunt [00:38:20] permite să încalcă principiul corectitudinii politice, [00:38:25] am să fiu liber, ca la exprimare sunt minți înguste și suflete [00:38:30] mici.[00:38:30] George Buhnici: Ok. Pentru că noi toți am profitat de pe urma [00:38:35] prosperității și felul în care am fost primiți în multe alte țări. [00:38:40][00:38:40] Dumitru Bortun: Absolut. [00:38:41] George Buhnici: Și totuși, ce face aceste proteste cum am văzut în Marea [00:38:45] Britanie? Nu bag mâna în foc, că nu o vedem unul curând și pe la noi, deși încă o dată, noi nu avem o problemă urgentă, [00:38:50] dar ce face ca aceste proteste să strângă masea atât de [00:38:55] mari?Încă o dată, eu cred că ce-am văzut la Londra e doar începutul. De unde vine chestia asta? Pentru că e prima [00:39:00] dată când auzim că oamenii sunt mai preocupați de migrație decât de economie. [00:39:05] E o chestie de identitate? E o chestie de manipulare prin presă sau de social media? [00:39:10] Și, și, și. [00:39:11] Dumitru Bortun: În primul rând e o problemă de identitate și oamenii sunt [00:39:15] foarte sensibili la problema asta cu [00:39:20] identitatea Cine sunt?Cine suntem noi? Ne raportăm la alții [00:39:25] prin diferențe și vin ăștia peste noi care sunt diferiți și așa mai [00:39:30] departe. Pe urmă este lipsa de cunoaștere. Dumneavoastră [00:39:35] am mai vorbit cred, la dumneavoastră, am vorbit despre sindromul chinezesc. [00:39:40] Eu folosesc expresia asta, expresia [00:39:45] mea. De la distanță tot chinezii sunt la fel.[00:39:50]Seamănă între ei. Dar ia du-te și stai acolo câteva [00:39:55] luni sau câțiva ani că începi să-i deosebești. Îți dai seama ce vârste au. Ce [00:40:00] înseamnă un chinez tânăr un chinez la vârstă mijlocie, un chinez în vârstă bătrân. [00:40:05] Opa, stai că începi să-mi nuanțezi percepția. De ce? Îi [00:40:10] cunosc. Cu cât îi cunoști mai puțin cu atât îi vezi la fel.[00:40:15] Ăsta-i sindromul chinezesc. Păi asta este cu orice alt grup uman. De la [00:40:20] distanță par toți la fel. Îi bagi într-o categorie fiindcă e mai comod mental. [00:40:25] În momentul în care îi cunoști, viața te obligă să faci diferență Între ei, [00:40:30] ce spună Spună bună dimineața îi spun să rămână. Deci trebuie să știu cu [00:40:35] cine am de-a face, încep să vezi diferențele.Eu cred că [00:40:40] o mare parte dintre aceste [00:40:45] mișcări de masă se bazează pe ignoranță. În [00:40:50] altă parte, în altă măsură, se bazează pe grija [00:40:55] pentru identitate și în altă măsură pe manipulare. [00:41:00] Pe faptul că rețelele sociale amplifică. Și atunci ce se întâmplă, [00:41:05] domnul Bunic? Rețelele astea sociale amplifică, știți cum?[00:41:10] Și intensiv și ca amploare, [00:41:15] extensiv. Ca amploare e normal să înțelege toată lumea. Datorită [00:41:20] multiplicării fără limite a mesajelor, o masă [00:41:25] imensă de oameni... [00:41:25] George Buhnici: Poate să afle orice nenorocire Mesajul. Da [00:41:28] Dumitru Bortun: Și poate să [00:41:30] creadă că mai are puțin și ia foc Marea Britanie. Sau [00:41:33] George Buhnici: că usturoiul ăla chiar [00:41:35] este cât roata de la bicicletă.[00:41:36] Dumitru Bortun: Exact. Și cred, pentru că sunt mai mulți. [00:41:40] Și apare acel sofism, acel argument [00:41:45] fals, că dacă și alții zic înseamnă că așa e. Pe urmă... [00:41:50] Știu [00:41:50] George Buhnici: eu pe cineva care a văzut că pământul e plat. [00:41:51] Dumitru Bortun: Da, da, da. Cunosc și eu un caz la Bacău.[00:41:55]Ceva de genul ăsta. S-a [00:42:00] labuzat. S-a labuzat, labuzat labuzat Labuzat, da. Așa. Deci asta este [00:42:05] un aspect. Dar mai e un aspect. Cu cât discuțiile [00:42:10] sunt mai numeroase pe internet, cu atât oamenii [00:42:15] devin mai fanatici cu propriile opinii. Și știți de ce? Noi am mai [00:42:20] discutat la un podcastul meu astăzi. Aici vorbim de paradigme.Ori într-o paradigmă [00:42:25] argumentele sunt circulare. Ele pleacă de la premisele paradigmei [00:42:30] și confirmă întăresc premisele. Și cu cât un [00:42:35] om își dezvoltă mai mult demonstrația și argumentele, cu atât se [00:42:40] luminează mai mult câtă dreptate are. Ca Charlie Kirk. Exact. Exact [00:42:45] cazul ăsta. Și atunci apare... Această circularitate, cu [00:42:50] cât vorbesc mai mult, cu atât mă convinc mai mult.Deci dialogul nu ne unește. Dialogul ne [00:42:55] desparte și mai rău. Este ceea ce se numește, în teoria comunicării, [00:43:00] dialogul surzilor. Fiecare s-au de pe el, nu l-au de pe celălalt. Deci [00:43:05] rețele sociale au dus la o amplificare și ca amploare, [00:43:10] la o adâncime și adâncire a diferențelor și [00:43:15] a opozițiilor ca intensitate.[00:43:17] George Buhnici: Nu durează puțin chestia asta. Durează [00:43:20] E un proces complex. Dar dacă ne uităm un pic în spate aveam rețele sociale de suficient de multă vreme încât să-și făcut [00:43:25] efectul acești algoritmi Într-o competiție acerbă pentru audiență au amplificat lucrurile care [00:43:30] se viralizează, iar apoi au apărut actorii statali care folosesc [00:43:35] aceste narațiuni pentru politica lor externă.Și aici întrebarea este, cum [00:43:40] lucrează aceste narațiuni, cum ar fi narațiunea invaziei a re-emigrării în aceste emoții [00:43:45] colective? Și cine le orchestrează? Credeți că există păpușari sau este doar furia noastră [00:43:50] care ne ocupă pe noi înșine pe toți? Există păpușari [00:43:54] Dumitru Bortun: care [00:43:55] profită de pe urma acestor furii. [00:44:00] E foarte interesant.Are Salman Rushdie, cel care a scris [00:44:05] versetele satanice, are un roman, Furia, în care [00:44:10] face o analiză de mare subtilitate acolo, acțiunea petrecându-se în Statele Unite ale [00:44:15] Americii. Se izizează manifestările de furie în [00:44:20] diferite domenii și pe diferite niveluri sociale. Furia ca stat. [00:44:25] E spirit, ca spirit al epocii de spirit de taim [00:44:30] Putem spune că furia este emoția [00:44:32] George Buhnici: acestei generații?Da, [00:44:33] Dumitru Bortun: da. Asta [00:44:35] demonstrează Salman Rushdie. E tulburător să [00:44:40] ai zis seama că s-a născut o generație sub ochii noștri și din mâinile noastre [00:44:45] furioasă. Știți că prin anii 60 a păruse un [00:44:50] curent în dramaturgia britanică tinerii furioși. Care au scris [00:44:55] niște piese foarte cunoscute la vremea respectivă, Camera în formă [00:45:00] de el, Fiață sportivă, Privește înapoi cu mânie, [00:45:05] Singurătatea alergătorii de cursă lungă, toate astea au devenit filme de mare [00:45:10] artisticitate.Tinerii furioși era [00:45:15] prima repriză. Au urmat repriza a doua, s-au mai calmat, au [00:45:20] urmat Revoluția sexuală, au urmat mișcări despre înțelegi în 68, hippie [00:45:25] și așa mai departe. Hippie care erau pacifiști la bază. Da erau pacifiști, dar tot [00:45:30] pacifismul ăsta lor retragerea din societate era de fapt o reacție de contestare a [00:45:35] societății moștenite la părinților.Ăștia de astăzi nu mă să mai retrag pur [00:45:40] și simplu for să o distrugă, pentru că nu le place ce au primit ca moștenire. [00:45:44] George Buhnici: O parte [00:45:45] dintre ei, că avem și retrași o vedem în Asia, începem să vedem și [00:45:50] la noi, nu știu dacă ați auzit, n-am apucat eu să vă trimit înainte, vorbim mai nou, să [00:45:55] mă ierte cei mai tineri despre the Gen Z stare, adică [00:46:00] chestia asta, atitudinea asta, că orice îl întrebi, când vorbești cu unul mai [00:46:05] tânăr, care a luat un job, se uită așa la tine, fără reacție.The [00:46:10] stare, adică pur și simplu se uită, această mină pietrificată. Poker face. [00:46:15] Poker face. Acest poker face, generația poker face, am putea să-i spună dacă vreți. Deci [00:46:20] avem genul ăsta de retragere orică un fel de revolt orică ar pur și simplu ca plictiseală [00:46:25] ca demotivare sau pur și simplu descărcare completă de emoție după atât de [00:46:30] multă furie cât este amplificată și refuzul [00:46:32] Dumitru Bortun: de implicare emoțională [00:46:33] George Buhnici: da [00:46:35] deci furie și refuz de implicare aici suntem între astea două [00:46:40] ok, toate astea sunt amplificate de tot felul de [00:46:45] influențări care mulți dintre ei se pun în fața oamenilor dar de fapt sunt niște miliardari [00:46:50] de aici spun că luptă acolo pentru interesea oamenilor și Charlie Kirk era finanțat de miliardari nu era nici el [00:46:55] sărac foarte puternic susținut de Elon Musk transportat [00:47:00] sicriul lui de J.D Vance cu Air Force 2 și [00:47:05] asta este doar exemplul ăsta concret dar mai avem oameni foarte bucăți cum a fost pe exemplu că vă [00:47:10] povesteam la un moment dat vorbeam noi despre acel influencer care a venit cu un avion privat la București [00:47:15] să ia un interviu unei candidate la prezidențiale doar dorind să [00:47:20] salveze democrația românească tot felul de influențări în ăștia parașutați cu foarte mulți bani [00:47:25] de ce credeți că acești miliardari folosesc aceste [00:47:30] narațiuni în acest mod și acești algoritmi împotriva oamenilor [00:47:35] ce [00:47:35] Dumitru Bortun: se iunește pe ei Pe [00:47:40] evanghelicii albi din Middle America parcă de [00:47:45] mijlocul Americii Și pe mari miliardari care vin din aceste [00:47:50] industrie de vârf.[00:47:51] George Buhnici: Așa. [00:47:54] Dumitru Bortun: [00:47:55] Doctrina acceleraționistă. Se numește așa pentru că pleacă de la... [00:48:00] Se duce în multe direcții, dar pleacă de la un trunc comun. De la [00:48:05] constatarea că istoria s-a accelerat și că [00:48:10] ritmul de evoluție tehnologică e atât de mare [00:48:15] încât societatea nu mai face față nu mai ține ritm. Și atunci, [00:48:20] marii reprezentanții ai firmelor tehnologice [00:48:25] vor să limiteze democrația, pe care o simt [00:48:30] înceată, birocratizată o simt că nu ține pasul cu [00:48:35] inovarea tehnologică și domeniul cu care sunteți foarte [00:48:40] familiari, că lucrați în domeniul ăsta și promovați, progresul [00:48:45] tehnologic, bine faceți, dar ei spun așa că democrația este un [00:48:50] regim politic cronofag.Știți? [00:48:53] George Buhnici: Că ține pe loc. [00:48:55][00:48:55] Dumitru Bortun: Mănâncă timp Și până când [00:49:00] ajungi să iei o decizie, a trecut, a zburat [00:49:05] gaia cu mațul. Nu mai ai timp. [00:49:10] A zburat momentul în care trebuia luată decizia Și să [00:49:15] acumulează o serie întreagă de blocaje care până la urmă să intră în criză și ei vor să [00:49:20] deblocheze chestia asta. [00:49:21] George Buhnici: Pentru că se văd într-o competiție cu alții care fac același lucru.Da. [00:49:25] Și vor să... [00:49:26] Dumitru Bortun: Toți ăștia care sunt în jurul lui Trump și [00:49:30] care finanțează MAGA, mișcarea asta, [00:49:35] America Great Again, sunt ăștia, [00:49:40] acceleraționiști. Ei se întâlnesc foarte bine cu aceștii [00:49:45] evanghelici albi din Middle America pentru că și pleacă de la ideea că s-a accelerat [00:49:50] și că dacă vrem să accelerăm, dacă e bine că [00:49:55] s-accelerează, pentru că vine...Mai repede Iisus. A doua venire a lui Iisus să se apropie mai [00:50:00] repede. Și atunci ei au intrat în administrație în politică [00:50:05] în școli, vor să intre peste tot, au teoria celor 8 munți. Nu [00:50:10] știu dacă știți vorbesc cu cei care ne urmăresc, dumneavoastră știți că în [00:50:15] Vechiul Testament există un simbol al muntelui, muntele Sinai, în care [00:50:20] Dumnezeu vorbește cu Moise și îi dă cele 10 [00:50:25] porunci, cele două table cu cele 10 porunci, există [00:50:30] muntele Tabor, există muntele Templului, sunt mai multe munți sfinți [00:50:35] care au o simbolistică foarte puternică pentru [00:50:40] iudaism pentru creștinism.Deci pentru iudeocrăștini, [00:50:45] aceștia evanghelici spun că îi trebuie să cucerească opt munți. Un munte [00:50:50] este administrația, alt munte este învățământul educația în [00:50:55] general, alt munte este sănătatea și trebuie să aibă oameni peste tot. Și [00:51:00] ăștia toți trebuie să accelereze și să țină ritm cât mai mult și s-au [00:51:05] întâlnit în foarte multe obiective, printre care cel antidemocratic, cu oamenii [00:51:10] de afaceri cu mari businessmen.Iată de ce se întâmplă în America. Se [00:51:15] dă peste cap o întreagă tradiție și un întreg mecanism de [00:51:20] evoluție socială. Și totul de la tehnologie, [00:51:25] domnul Bucnici. Cum adică de la tehnologie? Păi întotdeauna a fost așa Karl Marx [00:51:30] a vorbit în alți termeni, dar el spunea așa, forțele de producție determină tipul de relație de [00:51:35] producție.Și a vorbit de legea concordanței, între forțele de producție și relații de producție Ce sunt forțele [00:51:40] de producție? E tehnologia. [00:51:41] George Buhnici: Eu sunt de acord că e tehnologia, dar ce adaugă [00:51:45] marxistile în iniște este că, faimoasa zicere, că nu există câștig fără [00:51:50] ca cineva să-și fost furat. Și în cazul ăsta oamenii munce Nu, [00:51:53] Dumitru Bortun: e pe [00:51:55] altă linie, e pe altă direcție.În ceea ce plăcește mecanismul evoluției sociale În mecanismele de [00:51:58] George Buhnici: producție există un [00:52:00] asupritor care ia roadele acestei productivități de la oamenii muncii și nu [00:52:05] distribuie Știu [00:52:05] Dumitru Bortun: dar nu asta contează acum. Contează ce spuneam că ei spun că modurile de producție sunt [00:52:10] schimbate. Din cauza evoluției tehnologice.[00:52:13] George Buhnici: Așa. [00:52:13] Dumitru Bortun: Că [00:52:15] atunci când mijloacele de producții erau atât rudimentare încât trebuia să ne [00:52:20] ajutăm noi între noi, era comuna primitivă, după care s-au mai [00:52:25] evoluat mijloacele de producții, dar atunci nu erau suficiente pentru [00:52:30] ca toată lumea să stea și să producă, fiindcă nu erau mașini. Și atunci jumătatea din [00:52:35] omenire a fost transformată în sclavi.Și jumătatea au devenit stăpâni de [00:52:40] sclavi. Și au folosit păștea păstă unelte. Unelte vorbitoare cum [00:52:45] definește sclavul Aristotel. Un altă vorbitoare. O dată cu o [00:52:50] revoluție industrială apar mașinile. Opa, în momentul ăsta omul devine [00:52:55] conducător al mașinii, dar mașina face efortul în locul lui. Să termină cu [00:53:00] sclavia, apare capitalismul.Deci toate lucrurile astea sunt trase de [00:53:05] dezvoltarea tehnologică. [00:53:06] George Buhnici: Păi da dar tehnologia despre care ne-ați vorbit și care duce la această [00:53:10] tensiune, este cea care a redus cel mai mult suferința pentru toată planeta. [00:53:14] Dumitru Bortun: Eu n-am spus [00:53:15] că e rea. Eu explic de ce se întâmplă. Se întâmplă această mare transformare [00:53:20] socială în America, ea fiind vârful de lance al civilizației occidentale, se întâmplă [00:53:25] întâi la ei.[00:53:25] George Buhnici: Se [00:53:25] Dumitru Bortun: va întâmpla și la noi. Este vorba de aceste schimbări [00:53:30] produse de progresul tehnologic. Într-adevăr accelerat. [00:53:33] George Buhnici: Trebuie să mai gândiți la asta, [00:53:35] pentru că m-ați pus un pic pe gânduri. [00:53:36] Dumitru Bortun: Da, mai meditați. [00:53:37] George Buhnici: Mai dați un pic de gândire. [00:53:39] Dumitru Bortun: Asta nu [00:53:40] înseamnă că nu trebuie să promovați progresul tehnologii. Promovați-i Dar promovați-i în acea [00:53:45] paradigma [00:53:47] George Buhnici: utilitarismului.Da. Eu la asta mă uit. Spre binele [00:53:50] cât mai mari, pentru cât mai [00:53:51] Dumitru Bortun: mulți. [00:53:52] George Buhnici: Mâi la ceasul de la mâna noastră, care vă poate anunța când [00:53:55] aveți probleme de puls. Da, [00:53:56] Dumitru Bortun: exact. [00:53:56] George Buhnici: E nevoie de [00:53:57] Dumitru Bortun: așa ceva. Da, e un câștig. [00:53:58] George Buhnici: Dar nu putem să-l lăsăm pe [00:54:00] băiatul care deține compania aia să-și pună președinte. [00:54:03] Dumitru Bortun: Să ne pună șeful. [00:54:05] Exact.Pentru că el are companie, e lăudabil, dar nu îl a ales nimeni. [00:54:10] Exact. [00:54:10] George Buhnici: Bun. Revenim către România. România trece la [00:54:15] sfârșitul anului trecut prin anularea alegerilor prezidențiale, apoi vin valurile de proteste și o campanie [00:54:20] rerulată sub umbra acestei ingerințe ruse, despre care vorbim inclusiv în [00:54:25] Moldova cum și în alte locuri.Avem rețele pro-Kremlin și conexiuni [00:54:30] moldovene, inclusiv rețeaua SHORE, despre care aflăm tot mai multe zile la acestea prin cei care urmăresc foarte, [00:54:35] foarte interesant câte informații se laiveau în ultima perioadă despre această rețea SHORE, care [00:54:40] operează și la noi, care au amplificat Narațiuni peste tot, Facebook, Telegram și așa mai departe, [00:54:45] inclusiv mesajele anti-UE, dar și anti-migrație, despre care vorbeam puțin mai devreme.[00:54:50]Acum, întrebarea este. Revin un pic și aș vrea să [00:54:55] închidem această discuție Înțelegem că există aceste forme de manipulare și mult [00:55:00] o să zică, iarăși începe să vorbească buhnici de troli ruși. Dar credeți că există o [00:55:05] legătură între discursul anti-imigrație în România, o țară de emigranți nu de [00:55:10] imigrație, care să fie folosite de aceste rețele de [00:55:15] propagandă rusești?[00:55:16] Dumitru Bortun: Da. Scopul final [00:55:20] al propagandei rusești este dezmembrarea Uniunii [00:55:25] Europene, care reprezintă un mare obstacol din punct de vedere [00:55:30] comercial, tehnologic, economic, politic. Și [00:55:35] pentru asta trebuie să întoarcă popoarele astea [00:55:40] needucate din fosta zonă comunistă, [00:55:45] care au ieșit de curând din regimuri totalitare sau dictatoriale, să [00:55:50] le întoarcă împotriva Uniunii Europene.Și n-ai cum să-i [00:55:55] întorci decât spunându-le ce răi Uniunea Europeană, ce răi sunt [00:56:00] birocrații de la Bruxelles, ce lucruri relevă. Trebuie să le [00:56:05] dezvolți și mândria de a fi români sau de a fi bulgari [00:56:10] să dezvolți identitatea lor naționalistă, suveranistă, să le [00:56:15] propui suveranitate în condițiile în care o lume întreagă să devine [00:56:20] interconectată.Ei propun suveranitatea să rămași răul de tot în urmă. [00:56:25] Ca evoluție istorică Ei nu pricep în ce epocă ne aflăm, dar lucrează [00:56:30] cu materialul clientului. [00:56:31] George Buhnici: Ei vor să aibă telefoane produse în străinătate, internet, să se [00:56:35] uită să vadă, să aibă lumea să aibă o fereastră către lume aici? [00:56:37] Dumitru Bortun: Da, dar asta e tehnologie.Nu este [00:56:40] o imagine despre procesul istoric. Ei habar n-au că a existat [00:56:45] o epocă feudală, că a existat o epocă modernă că noi suntem în postmodernitate. Nu [00:56:50] au poziționat. Și gândesc că a nevăd mediul. [00:56:53] George Buhnici: Au acest fallacy că [00:56:55] poți să păstrezi, să stăm cu toții în ie și în costum popular, dar înconjurați de toate [00:57:00] fructele globalizării.[00:57:01] Dumitru Bortun: Da. Exact cum era în Iran la Revoluția lui Khomeini. Mi-a [00:57:05] spus cineva care a fugit de acolo. Era la noi în țară era studentul meu la [00:57:10] arhitectură. Și mi-a spus că marea majoritate, 80% [00:57:15] erau analfabeți, dar aveau televizor color în bordeile lor [00:57:20] acolo și câte un calașnicov dat de ruși. Așa s-a făcut Revoluția [00:57:25] musulmană.Ca la [00:57:25] George Buhnici: noi. Toată lumea are câte un smartphone și opinie pe TikTok. Și ei [00:57:29] Dumitru Bortun: [00:57:30] analfabetiți funcționă. Și [00:57:31] George Buhnici: totuși, atinge niște anxietăți, așa cum am mai auzit [00:57:35] lucrul ăsta, propaganda folosește anxietăți reale. Lucrează cu materialul [00:57:40] clientului. Piața muncii de identitate Mi-ați vorbit, servicii [00:57:45] publice. [00:57:45] Dumitru Bortun: Păi orice schimbare, domnul Bucurniciu orice schimbare creează anxietate.Prima este să [00:57:50] ești pregătit Sufletește de schimbare? Ești pregătit ideologic? [00:57:55] Ai niște idei care justifică schimbarea? Ți-a spus vreodată cineva că singurul absolut [00:58:00] care există în lume e schimbarea? În lumea de azi, [00:58:05] în lumea de aici, singurul lucru absolut e schimbarea. Restul e relativ, [00:58:10] pentru că totul se schimbă.Numai în cer există cineva care nu se [00:58:15] schimbă. Dumnezeu. Și-o și spune în Maleachi, unul dintre [00:58:20] cei mai interesanții profeți mici spune, eu nu mă schimb. [00:58:25] Eu sunt Dumnezeu nu mă schimb. Deci el e reperul fundamental pentru [00:58:30] noi ca să știm când ne schimbăm, când nu. Avem un reper fix, Dumnezeu [00:58:35] cu legile lui, cu legea morală, cu legea sanitară, cu tot ce [00:58:40] știm, discursul despre fericiri de pe munte.[00:58:45] Deci toate lucrurile astea să [00:58:50] înțelegem cred foarte bine când ai o cultură a schimbării [00:58:55] Și tu îți dai seama că trebuie să faci parte din schimbare, să ții pasul cu schimbarea, că dacă [00:59:00] nu-ți place schimbarea sau nu înțelege problema ta, nu e problema schimbării și că nimeni nu e de [00:59:05] vină. Tu trebuie să ții pasul cu ea.Dacă ai niște copii pe [00:59:10] care nu-i mai înțelegi e problema ta, trebuia să ții pasul cu ei și să înveți și [00:59:15] tu de la copiii tăi, nu doar Ei de la tine Pentru că tu le predai Ce se învețe de [00:59:19] George Buhnici: la [00:59:19] Dumitru Bortun: tine? Păi [00:59:20] ce se învețe de la tine? Ce era sub Ceaușescu? Să le bați, îi bați [00:59:25] la cap că era mai bine înainte sub Ceaușescu?Era mai bine pentru tine că era mai tânăr. Pentru ei n-ar fi [00:59:30] mai bine. Deci toate înapoierile astea ale noastre, [00:59:35] încetinea, inerția de a ne schimba, frica de a ne schimba, comoditatea. [00:59:40] Sunt multe ori care ne țin în loc să nu ne schimbăm. Și începem să înjurăm [00:59:45] schimbarea. Suntem împotriva ei. Și respectiv împotriva progresului [00:59:50] tehnologic, împotriva integrării transnaționale și împotriva [00:59:55] Uniunii Europene.Și ăștia atât așteaptă. Să ne întoarcă împotriva Uniunii Europene. [00:59:59] George Buhnici: Mi s-a [01:00:00] părut maxim când am văzut-o pe Madame Șoșoacă în căruță. Nu și-a căzut [01:00:05] imaginea. Cântând într-o căruță. [01:00:06] Dumitru Bortun: Dar face pe autochronista. [01:00:10][01:00:10] George Buhnici: Așadar avem partii de care au învățat să folosească chestiile astea. [01:00:15] Și folosesc toate acestea anxietate Și le transformă în capital politic.Pe de altă parte [01:00:20] avem și o coaliție la putere Care repetă toate greșelile pe care le-au făcut și alte [01:00:25] coaliții de voință. Din mai multe țări europene. În care ne strângem împreună pentru [01:00:30] interesul public. Nu mai face nimeni o poziție reală. Și atunci singurii care capitalizează [01:00:35] cine sunt. Exact cum s-a întâmplat în Germania.Că și Frau Merkel era într-o alianță [01:00:40] mare de tot acolo la putere. Multă vreme n-a deranjat-o nimeni. A avut [01:00:45] niște mandate foarte lungi și foarte liniștite. Era [01:00:48] Dumitru Bortun: chiar o liniște [01:00:50] suspectă. Știți cum se spune în literatură? Liniștea dinaintea furtunii. Asta era. [01:00:55][01:00:55] George Buhnici: Și acolo unde nu există opoziție, nu există dezbatere, democrația nu este vie, [01:01:00] se ridică întotdeauna extremiștii.Și acum vedem același lucru la noi. Am avut USL [01:01:05] până recent. Eu o-i zic USL, acest PSD-PNL, care acum este [01:01:10] în continuare mângăiat pe creștetă de președintele nostru Nicușor [01:01:15] Dan. Și vedem cum crește de la o zi la alta. Săptămâna asta a ieșit un [01:01:20] sondaj că coaliția de la putere mai are procente puține în [01:01:25] față În condițiile actuale.[01:01:27] Dumitru Bortun: E vreo 4%. [01:01:30] Vreau să vă spun că m-am gândit la aspectul ăsta. Am [01:01:35] trei recomandări, trei soluții. În primul rând ar [01:01:40] trebui să descurajeze statul și chiar să interzică dacă e cazul, [01:01:45] discursul urii Și să o facă până nu va fi prea târziu. [01:01:50] Atenți, unde discursul urii. O să-mi zic, da, dar asta nu e restrângerea libertății de [01:01:55] expresie?Ba da. Dar trebuie făcut. Și am să vă povestesc o [01:02:00] poezie lăsată moștenire de Martin [01:02:05] Niemöller, un pastor luteran din Germania, Care [01:02:10] a trăit 92 de ani, a murit în 1984, a supraviețuit la mai multe [01:02:15] lagăre naziste. Și își se spune în nume alături. Foarte interesan

This episode is part of Season 36: Serial Killers in History—a single-episode deep dive into one of the most disturbing and least-known serial killers of the Weimar era.December 1924. A homeless stonemason narrowly escapes death in a small Silesian town. What police discover in the aftermath reveals twenty-one years of murder hidden behind the most respectable facade imaginable—a church organ blower who sold his victims as pork at public markets. The story of Karl Denke forces us to confront how society's indifference to its most vulnerable creates perfect hunting grounds for predators.The VictimVincenz Olivier was a homeless stonemason wandering the streets of Münsterberg in search of work, food, or somewhere warm to sleep. Like dozens before him, Olivier was invisible to society—the kind of man whose disappearance would never make headlines, whose death would never prompt an investigation. He accepted an offer of twenty pfennigs to write a letter for a respected local citizen. That simple act of desperation brought him face-to-face with a killer who had evaded detection for over two decades. When Denke dictated a bizarre opening line and Olivier turned his head in confusion, that moment of hesitation saved his life—and exposed one of history's most methodical murderers.The CrimeKarl Denke operated his killing enterprise from 1903 to 1924, targeting society's invisible people: homeless vagrants, unemployed journeymen, recently released prisoners, and travelers seeking work during Germany's economic collapse. His reputation as "Papa Denke"—the charitable organ blower who helped travelers—was his hunting tool. He would offer small payments for simple tasks, then strike from behind with a pickaxe as victims sat distracted at his desk. After death came systematic processing that would have impressed a professional butcher. Denke dismembered bodies, pickled flesh in brine, rendered human fat for soap, and tanned human skin to manufacture leather goods. He held an official vendor's license and sold his "boneless pickled pork" at public markets in Breslau.The InvestigationWhen police searched Denke's apartment on Christmas Eve 1924, they discovered a museum of murder. Two wooden tubs filled with pickled human flesh. According to Friedrich Pietrusky's 1926 forensic report, 351 human teeth were recovered and sorted in containers. Belts, suspenders, and shoelaces crafted from tanned human skin. A ledger documenting thirty-one victims by name—and their slaughter weight. The evidence documented at least thirty victims, with estimates suggesting forty or more. Denke's suicide by hanging with a handkerchief in his holding cell before interrogation meant the full scope of his crimes would never be known. Among verified victims: confectioner Adolf Salisch and fur dealer Rochus Pawlick (Denke's last known victim before Olivier's escape). Victims ranged from sixteen to seventy-six years old. The case revealed significant weaknesses in law enforcement practices, as his victims' marginal status meant their disappearances were never investigated.Historical ContextKarl Denke operated during one of Germany's most turbulent periods—the Weimar Republic era marked by hyperinflation, widespread poverty, and social displacement following World War I. Meat shortages made cheap protein precious as gold, and no one questioned why a gentle church organ blower had steady supplies of quality meat. His crimes coincided with those of other notorious German killers Fritz Haarmann and Peter Kürten, yet while those names echo through criminal history, Denke became a footnote. His immediate suicide prevented any sensational trial. After World War II, Münsterberg became Polish Ziębice, German residents were expelled, records scattered, and the case fell between German and Polish historiography—nearly lost entirely.Sources: Friedrich Pietrusky forensic report (1926), Lucyna Biały research (1999), Casefile Podcast Episode 212, German criminal archivesResourcesThe location of Denke's crimes was Teichstraße 10 (now Stawowa Street 13) in Ziębice, Poland. Note: Sources conflict on whether the original structure still stands—a 1999 report indicated the building had been replaced by newer construction. For those interested in Weimar-era crime, Fritz Lang cited Denke as one of several inspirations for his 1931 film "M," alongside Fritz Haarmann, Carl Großmann, and Peter Kürten (the primary model). Casefile Podcast covered this case in Episode 212, titled "The Forgotten Cannibal" (May 21, 2022).Our Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/foul-play-crime-series/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

2025 has come to an end. Which were the most popular articles on Hacking Chinese last year? The most popular podcast episodes? It's time to summarise the year that was and highlight the things you really shouldn't miss!#learnchinese #2025 #bestof #hackingchineseLink to article on Hacking Chinese: Best of Hacking Chinese 2025: https://www.hackingchinese.com/best-of-hacking-chinese-2025/All articles on Hacking Chinese: https://www.hackingchinese.com/archive-2Hacking Chinese Resources: http://resources.hackingchinese.com/Hacking Chinese Challenges: https://challenges.hackingchinese.com/Zi.Tools: A powerful free resource for exploring Chinese characters: https://www.hackingchinese.com/zi-tools-a-powerful-free-resource-for-exploring-chinese-charactersClassroom Mandarin: Essential expressions for learning Chinese in Chinese: https://www.hackingchinese.com/classroom-mandarin-essential-expressions-for-learning-chinese-in-chineseUsing AI chatbots for low-stress Mandarin speaking practice: https://www.hackingchinese.com/using-ai-chatbots-for-low-stress-mandarin-speaking-practiceLearning Chinese through comprehensible input: https://www.hackingchinese.com/learning-chinese-comprehensible-inputThe best YouTube channels for learning Chinese in 2025: https://www.hackingchinese.com/the-best-youtube-channels-for-learning-chineseLove and language: Challenges and opportunities in learning Chinese with a partner: https://www.hackingchinese.com/language-learning-with-a-chinese-girlfriend-or-boyfriend16 reasons to learn to write Chinese characters by hand: https://www.hackingchinese.com/reasons-to-learn-to-write-chinese-characters-by-hand7 characteristics of a great chinese tutor or private teacher: https://www.hackingchinese.com/characteristics-of-a-great-chinese-tutor-or-private-teacher16 myths about learning Chinese that are holding you back: https://www.hackingchinese.com/myths-about-learning-chinese-that-are-holding-you-backWhat a big Rubik's Cube taught me about Chinese characters: https://www.hackingchinese.com/what-a-big-rubiks-cube-taught-me-about-chinese-characters4, 3, 2, 1: Fluency! A great technique to boost your Mandarin speaking ability: https://www.hackingchinese.com/4-3-2-1-fluency-a-great-technique-for-boost-your-mandarin-speaking-abilityHow to improve your Mandarin speaking skills with a tutor: https://www.hackingchinese.com/how-to-improve-your-mandarin-speaking-skills-with-a-tutorThe three roads to mastering Chinese: https://www.hackingchinese.com/the-three-roads-to-mastering-chineseThe Input Pyramid: Chinese Listening for Any Situation: https://www.hackingchinese.com/the-input-pyramid-chinese-listening-for-any-situationCourses on Hacking Chinese: https://www.hackingchinese.com/coursesMore information and inspiration about learning and teaching Chinese can be found at https://www.hackingchinese.comMusic: "Traxis 1 ~ F. Benjamin" by Traxis, 2020 - Licensed under Creative Commons Attribution (3.0)

Episode Overview In this timely and thought-provoking episode of the John Kitchens Coach Podcast, John Kitchens is joined by returning guest Eric Post, AI strategist, founder of Huzi.ai, and one of the sharpest minds at the intersection of technology, consumer behavior, and real estate. This conversation goes far beyond "how to use AI." John and Eric unpack the real threat and opportunity in the market today: the AI-powered consumer. As consumers gain instant access to information, agents can no longer win by being the knowledge holder. Instead, success now belongs to the wisdom worker—the advisor who brings clarity, discernment, experience, and trust. They explore how the internet has shifted from a place of search to a place of conversations, why SEO alone is no longer enough, and how agents must rethink branding, content, leadership, and customer experience to stay relevant in 2025 and beyond. This episode is a masterclass in AI, leadership, consumer psychology, and designing unforgettable client experiences in a rapidly changing world. Key Topics Covered The Rise of the AI-Powered Consumer Why the #1 consumer complaint is no longer lack of communication—but "I know more than my agent" How AI has shifted the internet from search to conversation What it means when 90%+ of AI interactions never click through to a website Why Zillow is no longer the real threat—and what is From Knowledge Worker to Wisdom Worker Why memorizing contracts, stats, and processes is no longer a competitive advantage The difference between information and discernment How top agents win by understanding people, not just data Why "good enough" agents are the most vulnerable in an AI world Trust, Purpose, and the New Agent Value Proposition Defining your role when consumers already have the answers Why agents must become guides, not order-takers The importance of emotional intelligence, intuition, and presence How trust is built through personalization, not speed alone Content, Branding & Being Found in an AI World Why agents must start writing content for both humans and AI The difference between SEO, AEO (Answer Engine Optimization), and GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) Why upstream life events (death, divorce, debt, downsizing) matter more than listing searches How to position yourself as the authority AI pulls from—not just another result Efficiency vs. Experience: Choosing Your Lane Why the "middle ground" is the most dangerous place to operate The difference between budget efficiency and premium experience Why memorable, designed client experiences create defensibility How "unreasonable hospitality" becomes the ultimate moat AI as a Force Multiplier (Not a Crutch) Why AI should augment thinking—not replace discipline How tools like Zi.ai, Spark Pad, and Halo help agents scale wisdom Using AI to clarify niche, ICP, and proprietary processes faster than ever The danger of letting AI lead instead of using it intentionally Resources & Mentions Huzi.ai – Purpose-built AI for real estate professionals Spark Pad – AI workspace for clarity, messaging, and strategy Halo – AI visibility and monitoring across ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, Perplexity, and more CoachKitchens.ai – Custom AI tools built for Agent to CEO operators The Empty Room by Eric Post – Manifesto on wisdom, creativity, and AI Unreasonable Hospitality by Will Guidara Rick Rubin – Creativity, taste, and intuition references Final Takeaway AI isn't replacing real estate agents—but it is replacing average ones. In a world where consumers have instant access to information, the agents who win are those who bring wisdom, clarity, trust, and experience to the table. Speed and efficiency are now table stakes. Differentiation comes from insight, personalization, and the ability to guide people through complex, emotional decisions. As Eric Post makes clear, the future belongs to those who design memorable experiences, understand the AI-powered consumer, and intentionally evolve from knowledge workers into true advisors. "You can't compete with AI on speed or memory. You win by being human—by bringing wisdom, taste, and discernment." – Eric Post Connect with Us: Instagram: @johnkitchenscoach LinkedIn: @johnkitchenscoach Facebook: @johnkitchenscoach If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe and leave a review. Stay tuned for more insights and strategies from the top minds. See you next time!

Zdravo, v tokratni epizodi začnemo s pozabljivostjo, spomnimo se na Festivus, na Dan JLA in mimo mehkega prehoda pridemo do verskih čustev, ki bodo, če bomo v 8. sezoni brali Sveto pismo, zagotovo užaljena. Vprašamo se tudi, ali je število sledilcev merilo uspeha in se spomnimo na modela iz Nazareta, ki jih je imel v primerjavi s svojimi sodobniki skoraj nič (dvanajst). Preden se zapodimo v birokracijo, tudi o tem, da smo sami sebi največji sovražnik in da je zadnja klop na avtobusu skoraj vedno dobra izbira, sledi pa vprašanje, ali je birokracija gonilna sila ali slepo črevo družbe. Naši junaki se proti prestolnici peljejo v taksiju brez sklopke, Douglasovo iskanje zobne ščetke pa se sprevrže v nadrealistično eksistencialno krizo polno kokoši, fotokopircev na ulici in čudnih lekarn. Ker se bliža konec leta, končamo z zvrhanim košem ljubezni: objemite svoje bližnje in se imejte radi. Lepe praznike vsem.

Formula 1 Chief Commercial Officer Emily Prazer joins The Big Impression to accelerate the motorsport's hold on Americans with year-round content and venue in Las Vegas. Episode TranscriptPlease note, this transcript  may contain minor inconsistencies compared to the episode audio.Damian Fowler (00:00):I'm Damian Fowler.Ilyse Liffreing (00:01):And I'm Ilyse LiffreingDamian Fowler (00:02):And welcome to this edition of The Big Impression.Ilyse Liffreing (00:09):Today we're joined by Emily Prazer, president and CEO of the Las Vegas Grand Prix and the Chief Commercial Officer of Formula One. She's helping transform F1 into one of the fastest growing sports brands in the world, leading strategy partnerships and fan engagement across markets from Miami to Melbourne.Damian Fowler (00:30):Emily's here to talk about the road to the last Vegas Grand Prix on November the 22nd. Now, in its third year, the Vegas Grand Prix turns the strip into a global stage where sport, entertainment and culture collide under the neon lights.Ilyse Liffreing (00:46):I love that. From the 100 day countdown events to new sponsorship models and digital fan experiences, formula One is redefining what a modern sports brand can look like, especially in the U.S. market.Damian Fowler (01:02):In past years, the marketing around Las Vegas, the Grand Prix has felt like a crescendo building over several months. What's been your strategy this year as you build, it's the third year, right? As you build towards those?Emily Prazer (01:14):Yeah, this third year, so I think the difference this year is we've had two years of a foundation to figure out what works and what doesn't work, but equally we've had our building open all year, so prior, well the first year we're obviously building the building for those that dunno, it's called Grand Prix Plaza. It's the length of three NFL fields, so it's not small. It's designed and built to service the Formula One Paddock Club, which is the most high-end hospitality that we offer in Formula One. Underneath that is where the garages are and where the teams hang out, so it's quite a significant building. When we first moved to Vegas, we purchased the 39 acres of land and have invested around $500 million in this infrastructure and so the difference I think is obviously the first year we were building it, the second year we were getting to grips with owning such a significant property in Las Vegas and then moving into the third year of the event, the building's been open all year and we built something called F1 Drive, which is carting.(02:10):We've had a restaurant up there called Fool and Fork, which is Formula One, themed food and beverage as you'd expect. We built an immersive Formula one experience called F1 X and so the marketing's ramped up, but that's because locally we've been able to activate since the day after the race last year all the way through to this year, and obviously how we market is very different depending on what we're trying to do, whether it's selling tickets or whether it's driving foot traffic to the building. It's all the awareness that we need in Las Vegas to continue to grow our fan base.Damian Fowler (02:41):The a hundred day countdown, that's important,Emily Prazer (02:43):Right? That was a big one. We always go big around a hundred days. We did a strip takeover, we made sure people understood that it was a hundred days ago. We did similar for 50 days, so we use those milestones to make sure, obviously Vegas is somewhat a last minute market. Some Grand Prix go on sale and sell out in 90 minutes. We see the most amount of activity from a hundred days through to November.Damian Fowler (03:04):That's very interesting. How do you decide which moments where you target your marketing strategy in that a hundred day buildup?Emily Prazer (03:12):Oh, well, we're very fortunate that the racing continues For those, again, that aren't familiar, formula One is a 24 race calendar, which spans globally, so we typically go big around the big races as you'd expect. We've just come out of Singapore where hopefully people have seen that McLaren won the Constructors Championship. We'll go big again around Austin and Mexico. They're both feeder markets to the Las Vegas Grand Prix and we'll just continue to make sure we've got major announcements, whether it be food and beverage merchandise programming all the way through between now and race day.Ilyse Liffreing (03:42):Now, can you also talk a little bit about the F1 business summits because you're also launching that during race week? Sure. How intentional is the idea of making Vegas not just a race, but a business and cultural destination?Emily Prazer (03:56):Sure. Well, if you look at what Vegas do around other major sports, it's not that we're trying to reinvent the wheel, we're taking learnings from how well the NFL have operated there with the Super Bowl, even around WWE where you see them extend from a one or two day event through to a whole week. We are very fortunate that again, for those that dunno, formula One kicks off on Thursday with free practice, we have qualifying on Friday and then on Saturday is the race. And so we are lucky that we actually have really good opportunity for shoulder programming and so it was a lot of requests coming through from multiple stakeholders saying we'd love to get the ecosystem together and talk about how we've shifted Formula One culturally into something very different. Obviously it's a sport first and foremost, but I think everyone's now seeing the change into more of a lifestyle brand and a proposition around how we're executing with some partners, which I'm sure we'll get to, but I think a lot of it has been around how we kind of talk about that strategy and how we've grown the sport over the last five years.(04:54):So it was very intentional, it's had really great uptake and as you'll see as we get closer to the race, we'll start talking about what we're doing kind of Tuesday, Wednesday all the way through.Damian Fowler (05:04):It was interesting you brought up the mention of partners and the fact that Formula One now transcends the racetrack and I for one say follow some Formula One drivers on Instagram. How do you play into that whole notion now that Formula One is this lifestyle brand and what does that mean when it comes to partnerships?Emily Prazer (05:26):Well, we've been really fortunate that we've, formula One was bought by Liberty Media in 2017 and the handcuffs were taken off per se, where social media was something that didn't really exist in the sport prior to that and the drivers have done a great job and the teams have done a great job of giving us access collectively to the drivers. They're all a lot younger than they have been before, so we've been fortunate enough to help them build their profiles through social, but obviously the pivot came with Drive to Survive. Everyone knows that that was a big leap of faith that Formula One took to be able to give behind the scenes access. It's a complicated sport that had traditionally been kept to a different type of club and we've opened up those floodgates and obviously we're reaping the rewards of that at the moment.(06:10):It hasn't been easy, but ultimately when you have the likes of Netflix wanting to display what we do, hopefully everyone's seen the Formula One movie with Brad Pitt, which is now I think the highest grossing sporting movie of all time and Brad Pitt's highest grossing movie of all time. So that again, is a great explainer if you take that concept, the strategy around all of it has to create this always on dynamic, which isn't just about the 24 race weekends, it's about how to have brand extension through partnerships 24 7, 365 days a year that's come to life through our licensing business, which I can get to and also our sponsorship business, that the thought process was we want to sign less B2B organizations more consumer brands, not because we don't appreciate, we are always going to have a B2B element Formula One lives in that space, especially on the technical side of the sport, but as it talks about how we penetrate the fan base, how we acquire new fans and how we talk to fans differently.(07:06):One of the big pieces of it was, well, how do we show up in every shopping mall, not just in North America, but globally and using the likes of Lego? You would've seen our recent announcement with Tag Hoya. You now go to these shopping malls and you see these different brands actually activating and taking some learnings from how the US sports do it, where everywhere you go you can buy a t-shirt. I think one of my proudest moments was being at the Super Bowl last year in New Orleans and seeing people in the parade wearing Formula one T-shirts.(07:32):I was like, that shows that the strategy is working. In addition to we acknowledge that pricing of Grand Prix is expensive, they're also places you typically have to travel to, and so brand extension through license partners has been really important. We have something called F1 Drive, which we'll be rolling out, which is the carting proposition I mentioned in Vegas we have F1 arcade, which is now opening up and popping up all over North America. We have F1 exhibition, which is a tribute to the history of the sport and we'll keep growing as we want to keep penetrating and explaining to those fansIlyse Liffreing (08:07):Fans. That is really interesting hearing you describe just how different the strategy here is in the US too because F1 is such a global brand. How do you I guess, keep the brand though true to its global roots at the same time as also making it feel like America's race?Emily Prazer (08:25):Definitely not trying to make it feel like America's race. I think taking the learnings of how to speak to the audience we've acquired wherever we go, the benefit of being a global sport is we're global, but in each of those destinations we act very local. So when you're there, you very much know that when you're at the British Grand Prix that you're at Silverstone and there's all of the heritage around it, Monza, there's nothing more special in global sport in my opinion, than seeing the ZI on a Sunday run onto the grid with the Ferrari flags and what have you that you can't take that passion and bottle it up and just pop it into a US race. The US market is different, but if you look at how Miami has identified itself, you for sure know where you are. Same with Austin, where it's Texas and everybody is in cowboy boots and you know that you're in Texas and then Vegas takes it to a different level because we partner with our friends at the L-B-C-V-A and other partners in Vegas to bring that kind of extreme entertainment to life. So yeah, wherever you go, you really do know where you are and that's where I think the local element comes into play.Ilyse Liffreing (09:28):Has anything changed in the sports rights context in order for Formula One to really be able to create more social and organic marketing tied to the event?Emily Prazer (09:41):Yeah, I think it's that we've got the confidence to try different things and have given different types of access. So you'll see obviously that we have lots of short form content. Now we're noticing that this generation of fandom that we're trying to continue to excite wants to look at things slightly differently, whether it be through YouTube or TikTok. I think we're launching our first TikTok store in a couple of weeks, which I never thought we would be in a place to do, but it's a testament to where the sports got to. So I don't think the rights have changed. I think our approach to it has changed where we have the confidence because of the excitement around destinations like Las Vegas to shift our mindset. Like I say, we're not going to do it everywhere. We're going to pick specific places to test it, and Vegas for us for the last three years has served as that test testbed.(10:28):You'll see the collaborations alone that we do in the merchandise space we've not been able to replicate prior and we're proud of it. What we're doing there is giving us the confidence to deliver new partnerships across the sport. American Express is a prime example where they came in as a Vegas only partner, did a year of that, a year later became a regional partner, so they activated across the Americas and then a year after that became a global partner. So it's just showing that we can bring in these more consumer led brands, but also how we've shifted our mindset to be able to deliver against it.Damian Fowler (11:00):That happened very fast. It's kind of amazing. You touched on this a little bit, but the different audiences in the different markets. What have you learned after the first two years of hosting Grand Prix in the United States about American fans specifically?Emily Prazer (11:16):Just that you need to give them variety. They aren't going to come in and behave the same way as a traditional Motorsport fan that has been or has grown up with. The heritage of the British audience is a great example where I mentioned Silverstone goes on sale and sells out. We've had to adjust the product to make sure that we're very much catering to that audience and the programming around it, like we talked about, has been super important. People don't want to come just for one session, but they want the option to come and leave and go to a casino or go to a different show and what have you. So they're looking for all round entertainment, not just coming to watch the Formula One event, which we focus specifically on making sure that we deliver against.Damian Fowler (11:59):One thing that's interesting about Vegas as well is that it's a big draw for tourism globally as well and people fly in. So maybe that fan base is also kind of a mix of international and local.Emily Prazer (12:11):Yeah, well interestingly, we've seen the majority of our fan base come from Mexico, Canada, and within the United States. I think Vegas obviously is incredibly special that they cater to everyone. I think they have something like 150,000 hotel rooms that spam from five star all the way through, and so one of the things that we had to pivot from in the first year where we expected Vegas to be this really, really high end proposition was actually that we needed to cater for all different types of ticket package and hospitality package. So we've learned those differences. We thought that it would be very, very high end and mostly international. It's actually around 80% domestic, but drive in traffic and fly in traffic from other US markets in. Like I said, Canada and Mexico have been significant buyers of the Grand Prix and Vegas.Ilyse Liffreing (12:59):Very cool. I'm very curious what kind of feedback you've gotten so far from those fans, sponsors, broadcasters, anybody watching the sport in Vegas?Emily Prazer (13:09):Well, the sponsors love it because it's something different. Like I said, we put a lot of emphasis on the production. What we were all really surprised about was the quality of the racing. I think it has the most overtakes on the Formula one calendar, so that was something we weren't going to know until you can do simulations, but until you see cars going around the track in the first year, we didn't really acknowledge or understand how great the actual racing would be. So I think that was the biggest surprise around feedback and what the broadcasters and general audience have been quite positive about shifting. The mentality and mindset has been something that we're proud of, but it's all stemming from the confidence we've gained through promoting our own event.Ilyse Liffreing (13:47):When you look at success, what KPIs are you most interested in? Is it ticket sales or,Emily Prazer (13:54):I think it's all around halo effect for the sport ticket sales and revenue is obviously my ultimate goal. I'm the chief commercial officer of Formula One, so I don't think I can sit here and say otherwise, but brand extension and growing the fandom and being engaged, giving another touch point to the US audience when again, I mentioned Liberty bought Formula One in 2017, they were very clear that they had two very strategic objectives. One was growing the sport in the United States, the other was growing the sport in Asia and obviously Asia's taken a little bit longer for obvious reasons with COVID and what have you, but we're starting to see the momentum pick up again there. The US we heavily focused on signing Miami as a starting point as a partnership with the Miami Dolphins, which we're really happy with, proud of as they have shown us how to do it. Seeing how they put their event on before we even put on Vegas meant that we could really take their learnings. But yeah, the expectations are that we continue to grow it, that the production level remains incredibly high and that it's our tempo event in the Formula one calendar.Damian Fowler (14:55):Now, you mentioned the Netflix show Drive to Survive, and obviously there's been a lot of media around the importance of that show. Could you talk a little bit about the significance of that show, how it helps or not inspire marketing strategy?Emily Prazer (15:09):Yeah, it comes back to this always on point that I mentioned before, which is Formula One needs to be accessible for the next generation of fans to truly understand it and the next generation of fans care about the competitive nature of the racing, but they also want to understand the personalities behind the sport, and I think it gave us the opportunity to open up to be able to show who we all are. The technical terminology, the filming that went into that and the movie to be honest, has given us the opportunity to use that content to be able to explain what DRS means or what is the significance of each Grand Prix, what does it actually mean? So these drivers like the NFL, when a player puts on a helmet, it's hard to understand the emotion, but being able to get to know the drivers and the team behind the drivers, which is also incredibly important, has been really helpful in our marketing strategy.(16:01):But what it inspired was how do we talk to the different audience? Like I said before, you can't talk to that audience the same way that you talk to the 75-year-old fan that's been going to Silverstone since its inception. So a lot of it has been about how we change our thoughts around short form content and how we use different platforms. To talk to a different audience in different markets has just meant that we've had to learn how to engage and pivot from just broadcast on a Sunday to every minute of every day coming up with new ideas to talk to the fan base.Damian Fowler (16:34):That's pressure for sure. You also mentioned the different channels, and we do talk about a lot about how live sports is now available across many, many different channels and tech platforms are bidding next to traditional broadcasters. I wonder in the mix of things, and especially when it comes to the show and when you broadcast it, how important has that kind of explosion as it were of channels been?Emily Prazer (17:00):I mean we have been ahead on the curve on that somewhat for we are different. Formula One owns its own broadcast capability. We have an office or a building in the UK in Big and Hill and Kent for those that have been in London, been to Kent around London and it's incredible. We own and operate again the whole thing. So every camera, every fiber optic cable, everything you see at a Grand Prix is being produced by Formula One. We have remote operations at the track that go back to Big and Hill and we have 180 broadcasters globally. So we've always been slightly different to other mainstream sports in that regard because we produce our own show, which is helpful for us around sponsorship and what have you. But generally speaking, I think obviously the world is changing and we've got to make sure we keep up with it.Ilyse Liffreing (17:47):Looking forward, which marketing innovations, there's obviously a lot right now, but ai, contextual, programmatic, what excites you the most? Is there any digital marketing innovations?Emily Prazer (18:02):Yeah, I think AI is something that we are excited but cautious. Again, with the sport that's so technologically advanced, you've got to be thoughtful about how we use it. We also don't want to lock ourselves in one direction or the other. So we're doing a lot of work without Formula One has the most unbelievable roster of tech partners. If you think about Salesforce, AWS, Lenovo globin to name a few, they're going to tell us how to use AI to benefit our sport, not just commercially, but on the tech side. So we are very excited about it, not just from a marketing point of view, but from a just general point of view. How does AI benefit the sport? We're taking a massive amount of time to think about just general activations. I know that sounds kind of immature if you think about Formula One, but how do we bring different activity to the track outside of just races? I'm not sure if either of you saw what we did in Miami with Lego, where Lego built 10 full size cars for the drivers to race Lego cars around the track.Damian Fowler (19:05):I show my son that. That'sEmily Prazer (19:06):So cool. If you think about the content that that created around marketing, that was probably the most viral thing we've done in a very, very long time. So our marketing strategy at the moment is about solidifying the brand equity, making sure that we deliver against our partnership objectives and that we continue to grow our social platforms. I'm not going to say that we're not technically as advanced, but the data capabilities is all quite new to Formula One. Loyalty programs are all quite new to us, so for us, I keep coming back to it, but it's really about figuring out how to engage with the audience and have something to sell them. Again, we're a rights holder that doesn't have tons of assets to sell ourselves. We license a lot out, and so really it's about coming up with these creative ideas to be kind of 10 steps ahead of anyone else.(19:53):And I think we are in a very unique space. We're very lean, which means we can be very nimble. So when we're making a lot of these decisions, it's me going to Stefano who's the CEO of Formula one saying, how do you feel about us trying something like this? And that's again, where we link the Vegas piece together with the broader marketing strategy to continue to keep everyone engaged rather than it just being like a technical marketing play. Obviously we do that day in, day out, but I think for us it's the confidence we've got now to really push the boundaries and be the first to do a lot of different things, whether it be what we're doing in the broadcast around all of the different types of digital advertising and what have you. I think again, if you watch the races, you'll start to see that we are trying and testing new technologies in thatIlyse Liffreing (20:37):Way. And on that note, we talked a little bit before about the timing of the race in Vegas. InEmily Prazer (20:46):Vegas. Yeah.Ilyse Liffreing (20:47):Because it's a new time for you guys thatEmily Prazer (20:49):10:00 PM Yeah, we moved it forward from 10:00 PM to 8:00 PM which is great. I think a lot of people were struggling with how that's local time, right? Local time, yeah. When we first went to Vegas, the idea was that the timing would be in line with the boxing match or the show. So it wasn't done for any other reason than 10 o'clock on a Saturday night in Vegas is when typically you start seeing things happen. The difference being is that the distance or time you need to keep between certain amounts of sessions meant that it created gaps. So if there were delays that 10:00 PM could technically be pushed. And so we had our issues in the first year. We learned from those last year operationally delivered really well, but we still felt that it was slightly too late, hence the 8:00 PM start. So everything has shifted forward. We have F1 Academy this year, which we're really excited about, so that will, I think doors now open at 2:30 PM rather than four. So it means everything will be a lot earlier, but it's all for the show.Damian Fowler (21:48):And presumably you have a kind of global viewership as well, so that all impactsEmily Prazer (21:53):The trends. Yeah, I think it obviously will be beneficial to the east coast market, not so beneficial to the rest of the world, but we still feel good about the viewership numbers and what we're seeing. SoDamian Fowler (22:03):The true fans willEmily Prazer (22:05):Watch you, right? If not next. Exactly. Hands always come through. Exactly.Damian Fowler (22:08):Alright, so we've got some kind of quick fire questions here to wrap this up. So first off, what keeps you up at night in the lead up to this?Emily Prazer (22:16):Everything in the lead up? The lead up. I'm not sleeping at all my first year as A CEO, I think last year it would've been ticket sales. This year it's probably just security and all round operations. So as my role has expanded on the Vegas race particularly, it's just we are opening and closing the track every three hours. It's not like other street races keep their roads closed for up to seven days. We are having to keep it open and close it regularly. You're in one of the busiest roads in North America, so we don't really have much of a choice and we don't want to impact the locals any further. So I think it's just being responsible for the logistics is scary.Damian Fowler (22:58):Wow. I agree. Closing the road down is like mind blowing.Emily Prazer (23:00):Yeah, it is genuinely mind blowing. If you go to Vegas now, you can see that things are still are on their way to being built and it's like, oh wow, this is happening.Ilyse Liffreing (23:10):That is scary. I'm scary for you. What would you say is missing in the US sports sponsorship marketplace that you would love to see happen?Emily Prazer (23:19):Ooh, good question. I haven't thought about the answer to that. That's a hard one. I'm going to have to sit on that one for a minute. Don't worry. Yeah, I mean I can't speak for, I can only really speak for my sport, but I'd love to have the same access to the teams that N-F-L-N-B-A have as the rights holder. We definitely don't get to just sell the team IP as we see fit. We have something in Formula One called the Concord Agreement, which means that we have some restrictions there. But yeah, let me have a think about the broader space. Sorry. I like that answer One hit me.Damian Fowler (23:52):That's a good answer there. We can circle back and do it again if you want, but I like that to be honest. Okay. So which other sports or entertainment brands do you think are nailing their brand positioning right now?Emily Prazer (24:03):I think the NBA and the NFL, they just do it so unbelievably well and they have fandom here. I've never witnessed in the UK you very much see the fandom around a specific team. Here you see genuine fandom around the NFL. And what I love as a Brit in the US obviously is I still can't believe how each of the TV channels cross-promote each other for other games. So you'll be watching Fox and they'll be like, tune into CBS to watch this game. And you're like, oh wow. They really do do it for the greater good of the league. We would obviously it's different. We don't have multiple games in Formula One, but if I think about it in comparison to the Premier League, you really do follow the team. If I'm a Chelsea fan by the way, but I would watch Chelsea, I wouldn't then flip channels to watch Man United in the us.(24:57):I find myself on a Sunday watching three or four games and I'm like, I'm not even your core audience. It has to be something to do with the marketing that it's always there telling me what to do, telling me how to watch it. And I really admire, maybe this is actually the answer to the previous question. I actually admire how good they are at getting in my head because I think about it, I'm like, what games are on a Sunday or what playoffs are happening in the NBA and I go to watch it because it's there. Whereas like I said, premier League, as much as I'm a huge Chelsea fan and grew up with it, you just don't seem to be able to follow it like that.Damian Fowler (25:35):Yeah, that's very interesting. Would you say you were an NFL fan before you came to theEmily Prazer (25:39):Us? No, not at all. Didn't know the rules and now I'm like hardcoreDamian Fowler (25:42):Because of the marketing, I guess.Emily Prazer (25:43):Wow. Must be. They just got in my head.Damian Fowler (25:46):Amazing. Yeah. And that's it for this edition of The Big Impression.Ilyse Liffreing (25:54):This show is produced by Molten Hart. Our theme is by love and caliber, and our associate producer is Sydney Cairns.Damian Fowler (26:01):And remember,Emily Prazer (26:02):We've had to learn how to engage and pivot from just kind of broadcast on a Sunday to every minute of every day coming up with new ideas to talk to the fan base.Damian Fowler (26:13):I'm Damian. Ilyse Liffreing (26:14):And I'm Ilyse.Damian Fowler (26:14):And we'll see you next time. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Zi Lin did everything “right.” Philosophy major, law school, great grades, OCI, Biglaw offer, six-figure salary. From the outside, the path looked impressive. From the inside, it felt like being processed through a conveyor belt. No one asked whether the career actually fit. It was just the obvious next step. Parents approved. Professors approved. Colleagues approved. When everyone around you nods along, it's easy to assume there's nothing to think about.The problem came later, once Zi was actually practicing. The culture inside the firm didn't match what was promised. “Bring your whole self to work” sounds supportive until you realize it only applies if your whole self fits the mold. Zi found herself performing a version of “acceptable lawyer,” constantly adjusting how she acted, talked, socialized, even reacted. When your value comes from churning out work and avoiding the wrong reactions, there's no space to be a person. There's only survival.In this episode Zi Lin joins Sarah to talk about her experience leaving Biglaw and what she's doing now.Website & PortfolioZori Nori Instagram (@zori_nori)Personal Art Instagram (@garbage_collector_s)Linktree (for all other links, shops, etc.)

Zdravo. Tokratno epizodo z vami delimo v celoti, ker v Predigri (bonus epizodi, ki jo pred glavno epizodo ponavadi dobijo naši podporniki) na vse pretege temeljito znanstveno analiziramo čustvenčke, predvsem najljubše kose “zelenjave” in kako se prikazujejo na različnih mobilnih operacijskih sistemih. Čudoviti svet čustvenčkov prekine dejstvo, da je do rojstnega dneva Billa Gatesa še dobra dva tedna (15 dni). Za nepoučene: to je dan, ko bomo vsi cepljeni proti COVID-19 končno končali tostransko trpljenje. Za tiste, ki bi še radi živeli, imamo nasvete: uporaba kisa in aluminijaste folije kot zaščite pred 5G žarki ter bunker, ki naj bo vsaj 7 metrov pod zemljo. Dotaknemo se tudi nasvetov o gledanju v sonce (zjutraj!) in razpravljamo o dvomljivi učinkovitosti kreme za sončenje. Potem spet odrinemo v Ladin Gaj, kjer divje zveri pojejo pozno v noč, na obzorju pa je končno Komodo. Vmes razmišljamo o izgubljenem občutku čudenja. Končamo z apelom: bodite prijazni, hvaležni in uživajte, dokler lahko. Naslednjih 14 dni bo ključnih.

Mintea și corpul trebuie să fie privite acum cu cel mai mare respect, pentru că ele sunt ale lui Hristos. Zi de zi, ele trebuie să fie îmbunătățite în așa fel încât, pentru îngerii cerului care privesc cu mare interes, ele să dovedească faptul că Hristos nu a murit în van pentru tine. Când ai luat numele de creștin, ai promis în această viață să te pregătești pentru viața superioară, în Împărăția lui Dumnezeu.Citește acest devoțional și multe alte meditații biblice pe https://devotionale.ro#devotionale #devotionaleaudio

“Our names are the stories we carry into the world.”“名字，是我们带入世界的故事。”My Chinese name is Li Zi-Jin (李姿锦), and my father said he personally chose it for me. Li is an extremely common surname—you can find people with the same family name everywhere in Taiwan. Yet, as a child, I felt different because of this name, since the great Tang dynasty poet Li Bai also carried the surname Li. That connection gave me an extra sense of pride and belonging. As for Zi (姿), my father chose this character because it contains both “second” (次) and “woman” (女), symbolizing that I am his second daughter. The last character, Jin (锦), is made up of “gold” (金) and “silk” (帛), representing his wishes for me to have a rich and beautiful life. As a little girl, I often felt that my name carried a mission—that my father's hopes and expectations were all packed into those thirty-two brushstrokes.我的中文名字是李姿锦，爸爸说这是他亲自为我取的。李是一个极其普遍的姓氏，在台湾到处都能遇到同姓的人。然而，小时候的我却因为唐代大诗人李白也姓李，而觉得自己与众不同。这样的联想，让我对这个姓氏多了一份骄傲与归属感。至于“姿”，爸爸选这个字，是因为它的结构里有“次”和“女”，象征我是他的第二个女儿。而“锦”由“金”与“帛”组成，代表他对我的期待——希望我能拥有富足而美好的生活。小时候的我常觉得，名字就像一个使命，爸爸的心愿和期待全都压在这三十二划里。When I was in elementary school, my name became the subject of jokes among classmates. They loved to mimic the sound of “Li Zi Jin” saying it sounded like “ni zi ji” (“yourself” in Mandarin). Outwardly, I laughed along, but inside I felt embarrassed. What's more, the last character of my name, Jin, was often misread as Mian (It means cotton in Chinese). Eventually, to avoid awkwardness, I let some teachers or strangers call me “Zi-Mian” instead. Looking back, those jokes were probably harmless, but they did plant a seed in me about the connection between names and identity.小学时期，我的名字常成为同学的玩笑。他们喜欢模仿“李姿锦”的发音，说听起来像“你自己”。表面上我会跟着笑，心里却觉得尴尬。特别是名字最后一个字“锦”，常常被误读成“绵”。后来，为了避免尴尬，我干脆让一些老师或陌生人叫我“姿绵”。现在回头看，那些玩笑或许没有恶意，但确实让我开始思考名字与身份的关联。In the fifth grade, I got my first nickname—“Spider.” Back then, it was trendy in class to change the last character of someone's name to “Pig.”(猪） So Zi-Zhu (姿猪) became “Spider” (蜘蛛). My good friend Yashi even designed a spider logo for me: an oval with a smiling face, a bow on its head, and eight little legs. That time of my life was filled with pure joy. We always signed each other's cards with this little spider, as if it was a secret code and a symbol of our friendship.五年级时，我有了第一个绰号——“蜘蛛”。当时班上流行把名字最后一个字改成“猪”，于是“姿猪”就变成了“蜘蛛”。我的好友雅诗甚至帮我设计了一个蜘蛛签名：一个椭圆里画着笑脸，头上戴着蝴蝶结，还有八只脚。那段日子充满了单纯快乐，我们总会在彼此的卡片上画上这只小蜘蛛，就像是一种友情的暗号和象征。After graduating from high school, I left my hometown of Kaohsiung and moved north to attend Fu Jen Catholic University. My entire social circle changed. I became obsessed with fashion and makeup, copying styles from the Japanese magazine Cawaii: heavy eyeliner, bleached blonde hair, and miniskirts to class. But my attempts made me the subject of ridicule for some Taipei classmates. They secretly gave me a nickname, “Xiao Baihe” (Little Lily), because they thought I looked like a hostess from a nightclub, and those who works at the nightclub always have a flower name. Still, I didn't mind at all. In fact, I thought “Xiao Baihe” was beautiful, and I even enjoyed being called that. Looking back, that experience taught me to stop caring too much about others' opinions and instead focus on my own preferences and self-expression.高中毕业后，我从高雄北上到辅仁大学，生活圈完全改变。我开始迷上时尚与化妆，模仿日本杂志《Cawaii》的风格：浓浓的眼线、染成金色的头发、穿着迷你裙上课。但这些尝试却成了部分台北同学取笑的对象。他们私下给我取了个花名“小百合”，因为觉得我打扮得像酒店小姐——而酒店小姐总会用花名。尽管如此，我一点也不介意，反而觉得“小百合”很好听，甚至乐于被这样称呼。回头看，这段经历让我学会不再过度在意他人的眼光，而是专注于自己的喜好与表达。My first English name was Josephine, chosen by my very first English teacher. But I quickly felt it was too long and changed it to Joyce. It wasn't until I started teaching English myself that I finally decided on the name I still use today—Lily. I liked the simplicity and grace of “Lily,” which brings to mind the pure lily flower and also echoed my college nickname. Some students who knew my Chinese surname would sometimes call me “Lily Li,” but I didn't like that combination—it felt too plain. After my engagement, I began using my fiancé's surname, Wong, and became “Lily Wong.” Even after our divorce, I insisted on keeping this name. For me, it was not only a way to remember that love, but also a way to redefine my own identity.我的第一个英文名字是 Josephine，这是我第一位英文老师帮我取的，但我很快嫌它太长，就改成了 Joyce。直到我开始教英文时，我才决定用现在这个名字——Lily。我喜欢“Lily”的简洁与优雅，让人联想到纯洁的百合花，也与我的大学绰号呼应。有些学生知道我的中文姓氏，会叫我“Lily Li”，但我不喜欢这个组合，觉得太普通。订婚后，我开始使用未婚夫的姓氏“Wong”，成了“Lily Wong”。即使离婚之后，我仍然坚持保留这个名字，因为它不仅是对那段爱情的纪念，更是我对自我身份的重新定义。Nowadays, almost no one calls me by my Chinese name anymore. As I've traveled the world, a few friends have tried to learn it, but pronunciation has always been a challenge. So they prefer to call me Lily—simple, convenient, and making our interactions much easier.如今，几乎没有人再叫我的中文名字了。随着我走遍世界，虽然有些朋友尝试学会它，但发音始终是一个挑战。所以他们更习惯叫我 Lily——简单、方便，也让交流更轻松。Today, my name has become part of my personal brand, Fly with Lily. From “Li Zi-Jin” to “Lily Wong,” each version of my name reflects a stage of growth and transformation. I've come to see that a name is not only a label but also a vessel of stories, carrying the ways we draw strength from the past and choose to live authentically in the present. In the future, whether my name changes again or not, I hope it will continue to convey my values: love, gratitude, freedom, exploration, and abundance.如今，我的名字已经成为我个人品牌 Fly with Lily 的一部分。从“李姿锦”到“Lily Wong”，名字的每一个阶段都反映了我的成长与转变。我发现，名字不仅是符号，更是承载故事的容器，见证我们如何从过去汲取力量，并选择真实地活在当下。未来，无论名字是否再改变，我都希望它能继续传递我的价值观：爱、感恩、自由、探索与丰盛。我的网站是flywithlily.com

Filippo Pistoia"Terra colta"La prima e unica indagine del Professore Salvo PerriconeIanieri Edizioniwww.ianieriedizioni.comUn noir a sfondo politico in cui il professor Salvo Perricone, ingabbiato in una routine tra lezioni universitarie e la costante ricerca storica sulle lotte popolari in Sicilia tra Ottocento e Novecento, riceve una chiamata da Mario Sinna, amico d'infanzia e maresciallo del suo paese d'origine. Parte così la caccia a un assassino che, mosso da un impulso di vendetta, uccide personaggi legati a una Cosa nostra arcaica, ormai quasi scomparsa, che spadroneggiava nel secondo dopoguerra macchiandosi di abusi ai danni dei braccianti agricoli.Con una prosa agile, in Terra colta Filippo Pistoia guida il lettore – tra indagini, ritorsioni e complessi rapporti umani – verso una storia del territorio siciliano sconosciuta ai più, per ritrovare radici e svelare segreti sepolti.Filippo Pistoia (Palermo 1975) da più di vent'anni è manager di progetti culturali in Sicilia. Esperto in rigenerazione urbana a base comunitaria. Negli ultimo anni ha concentrato le sue energie su processo di rivitalizzazione dei Cantieri Culturali alla Zisa di Palermo, riqualificando e gestendo il comunity hub Cre.Zi. Plus e l'Averna Spazio Open. A poco meno di cinquant'anni ha scoperto che esiste un modo diverso di scrivere da quello per il fundraising per l'imprenditoria culturale: una scrittura per raccontare le storture della terra che ama, la Sicilia. In “Terra colta”, il suo primo romanzo, ha provato a fondere le sue due principali passioni: le lotte contadine del Novecento e il noir mediterraneo.IL POSTO DELLE PAROLEascoltare fa pensarewww.ilpostodelleparole.itDiventa un supporter di questo podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/il-posto-delle-parole--1487855/support.

In this thought-provoking episode of The Reformed Brotherhood, Tony and Jesse explore the complex relationship between Christian vocation and professional ambition. Moving beyond the obvious prohibition of inherently sinful professions, they examine whether certain legitimate careers might still be inappropriate for Christians if they compromise our responsibilities to family and church. The hosts challenge the common assumption that Christians should seek maximum worldly influence, suggesting instead that faithfulness in our threefold calling—to work, family, and church—should guide our vocational choices. Drawing on Reformed theology's rich understanding of vocation, they offer practical wisdom for believers navigating career decisions and workplace responsibilities while maintaining spiritual priorities in a culture that often glorifies professional success at any cost. Key Takeaways Vocation is threefold: A proper understanding of Christian vocation includes responsibilities to our work, our families, and our church—not just our careers. Lord's Day conflicts: Professions that regularly prevent church attendance and Lord's Day observance may be inappropriate for Christians, regardless of their potential for influence or impact. Family obligations: Scripture teaches that Christians who neglect family responsibilities are "worse than unbelievers" (1 Tim. 5:8), suggesting that careers demanding excessive time away from family may be problematic. Christian influence vs. gospel proclamation: We must distinguish between transforming culture through worldly influence versus the actual proclamation of the gospel, which can happen at any level of employment. Sacrifice is expected: Following Christ often requires sacrificing career advancement, prestige, or financial gain to fulfill our primary callings. Priority check: When considering job opportunities, Christians should evaluate church options in a new location with the same care they give to schools, housing, and other community factors. God calls us to faithfulness: Our primary calling is to faithfulness in our responsibilities, not necessarily to positions of maximum influence or cultural power. Balancing the Threefold Calling The hosts challenge the idea that Christians should prioritize career advancement and influence above all else. They argue that vocation in the Reformed tradition encompasses more than just our paid work—it includes our responsibilities to family and church as well. This means that even if a career opportunity seems beneficial for "kingdom influence," we must evaluate whether it allows us to fulfill our other God-given duties. Tony points out that while some professions clearly contradict Christian ethics, others may subtly undermine our ability to be faithful in all areas of life. A high-powered executive role might provide platforms for influence but could require such time commitments that family relationships suffer or regular Lord's Day worship becomes impossible. As Jesse observes, "vocation is fundamentally God's doing," not simply about finding personal fulfillment or maximizing impact. This framework helps believers evaluate career choices more holistically. The Question of Christian Influence A central question emerges throughout the episode: Should Christians pursue positions of maximum influence to advance kingdom values? While this idea sounds appealing, the hosts suggest it often masks a "theology of glory" rather than embracing the "theology of the cross." Jesse notes that "God doesn't call us to necessarily have outside impact. What he's calling us to is faithfulness." They distinguish between the transformative power of the gospel—which can be proclaimed regardless of position—and other ways of transforming culture through worldly influence. Tony explains that "whether you're the janitor of the hospital or whether you're the CEO of the hospital, the gospel is the same and your role in proclaiming the gospel is the same." This perspective challenges Christians to reconsider whether pursuing leadership positions always aligns with God's calling, especially when such roles might compromise other spiritual obligations. The hosts argue that faithfulness in ordinary circumstances, not exceptional influence, should be our primary aim. Quotes "Would it be great if the CEO of a major Fortune 500 company could be a Christian? Yeah. That would be kind of cool. But if the trade-off is that person has to sacrifice their genuine Christian convictions, that's not worth it." - Tony Arsenal "I do think we have to sit back and ask, is that the calling? So that we're pursuing what is our vocation, not just our potential... I think there is a real temptation to somehow say like, what we need to do is to infiltrate in all the places. And I think what we mean by that is that things here will be better." - Jesse Schwamb "I think the Bible is clearer about a person who is taken away from their home more than is reasonable and more than is healthy for their family, or a Christian who never is able to worship on the Lord's day... than it is on something like identity politics and some of the tangential ways that might cause a person to need to compromise a little bit at a high level." - Tony Arsenal Practical Applications The hosts suggest several practical considerations for Christians evaluating career opportunities: Will this job regularly prevent Lord's Day worship? Does it require sacrificing time with family beyond what's reasonable? Could you negotiate Sabbath observance with potential employers? When relocating, evaluate church options with the same care given to schools and housing Consider whether a lower-paying job that allows faithfulness in all areas might be better than a higher-paying one that doesn't Full Transcript [00:00:00] Introduction and Episode Overview [00:00:08] Jesse Schwamb: Welcome to episode 458 of The Reformed Brotherhood. I'm Jesse. [00:00:16] Tony Arsenal: And I'm Tony. And this is the podcast where even your work is unto the glory of God. Hey brother. Hey [00:00:24] Jesse Schwamb: brother. You know that's right. It [00:00:26] Tony Arsenal: is. That's why I said it. [00:00:28] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah, it was. That's a great way to open. We, I think from time to time come back to the topic of work and we've got a great, I think, conversation in the queue for this particular episode. [00:00:39] Jesse Schwamb: Now it's gonna sound maybe on the face. Right off the top here. Familiar. So of course, like we've talked before, how scripture makes it clear that Christians are to be salt and light in the world. And we've talked, I think, at length about, well, how exactly do we carry out that? And though we know that we're not saved by our good works. [00:00:57] Jesse Schwamb: Again, the Bible teaches very clearly that God expects good works from Christians, that that is in fact what he saves us to do. Again, we're not saved by those good works, but the question I think still remains, and we're gonna come to it in this conversation about what exactly does he want us to do and where does he want us to do it. [00:01:13] Jesse Schwamb: So in other words, we know that according to scripture, God providentially, governs and cares for his entire creation. So how does that play out in human society given the reality of sin? So we're gonna get to topics like. Well, should Christians be in every line of work? Is that the ideal? Are there jobs or positions or responsibilities that seemingly may not be obvious that Christians really shouldn't be a part of? [00:01:37] Jesse Schwamb: Because it takes them too far afield, maybe from the responsibilities that God gives us holistically to think of our calling is and our families and our churches in our work. So it's a bit more nuanced play of a conversation we had before, but hopefully something that's gonna have all kinds of practicality wrapped around it. [00:01:55] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. So that's what's coming. [00:01:56] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah. I'm stoked. I think this is gonna be a good conversation and I think I, I think this is one of those topics where like there's a lot of different angles to come at it from, right? We talk about vocation and work, and we've had those conversations before, and I think other shows and other venues have had that conversation before. [00:02:15] Tony Arsenal: I don't think that I've encountered a conversation really to this like angle of it. So I'm looking forward to this. [00:02:23] Jesse Schwamb: Me too. It's gonna be great. And of course, before we get to all that goodness, all that greatness, which I'm sure is about to transpire shortly and will be of course the definitive conversation, the one to end all to, I guess both to your point, bring it into the world. [00:02:36] Jesse Schwamb: Then to shut it down because we'll have accomplished both ends in just a single hour. [00:02:41] Affirmations and Denials [00:02:41] Jesse Schwamb: Before we get to that, let's do some affirming or denying. This is the part of our conversation where you and I always pick one thing either that we're affirming with and kind of the tradition of the reformed faith, where we take something that's undervalued or something that excites us, we think has great merit or worth, and we put out into the world and say, we're standing behind this thing, or conversely, we deny against it in that same kind of tradition by saying, this thing is overvalued, not worth it. [00:03:05] Jesse Schwamb: Not our jam. So in our tradition, I ask you are you affirming with something or are you not against something? [00:03:11] Tony Arsenal: I'm affirming with something specific that will lead to something general. So, okay. [00:03:16] Exploring AI in Learning [00:03:16] Tony Arsenal: I mentioned a couple weeks ago that I've been playing around with Google Gemini, which is Google's AI platform. [00:03:22] Tony Arsenal: And uh, I've been using it in a sort of interesting way. So Google has, uh, Gemini has these things called gems, which are basically like predefined personalities or predefined. I dunno, like instructions. So they have one gem that is a learning guide where basically you can give it a topic and it will, it will deliver mini lectures, give you quizzes, you can prompt it. [00:03:46] Tony Arsenal: So like I can paste in, um, you know, I can take in Lagos, I can paste a copy of the Bible, like a chapter of the Bible into the learning guide. It'll summarize it, it'll ask me questions. It'll basically gimme many lectures on it. Um, that's the specific thing. This is such a cool technology. And in my mind, this is really where AI is strong, is that you can take large sections of text and it will summarize it and synthesize it into a very usable format. [00:04:14] Tony Arsenal: Um, so what I've been doing, like I said, is I'll read, I'll read a, a chunk of text from whatever it is I'm reading, and then I'll copy and paste that entire chunk of text if it's an electronic text into the learning. Learning guide module and ask it to act as like a seminary lecturer and quiz me on the content. [00:04:33] Tony Arsenal: Um, which really helps to solidify the content I'm reading rather than just passing my eyes over it. I'm actually, um, processing it and retaining it more. I think you could probably do something similar with just about any AI platform if you had the right kind of prompt, which is where the general one comes in. [00:04:50] Tony Arsenal: And I would encourage you, listener to think a little bit about how you might utilize this, because I think we all read lots and lots of things. Our, our, um, particular audience tends to be a little bookish, and so I'm sure we're all reading things as we go, but I'm not sure we're always processing things in the most effective way. [00:05:07] Tony Arsenal: So think a little bit about like how you might use something like chat, GPT, which is available for free, or Claude, which is available for free to do this kind of like. Almost like simulated classroom lecture. Um, and I know there are some questions about ai. Like I, I heard an argument that ai, when you're generating content is, is a sort of form of sophisticated, uh, plagiarism, which I'm not sure I buy it, but I understand the argument. [00:05:33] Tony Arsenal: This is something very different where you're really just using the, using the AI to synthesize and summarize text and sort of spit it back to you in a new format. Um, you're not trying to generate anything new. You're not trying to create anything. That you're gonna publish or anything like that. It's really just a, a form of synthesis. [00:05:49] Tony Arsenal: So I've really found this to be super beneficial. Um, I'm having a really great time at it. I'm, I'm using it for language studies, so I'm reading through mount's basics, biblical Greek. And I'll copy and paste the whole chapter in, ask it to act as a lecturer, and it will walk me through the chapter. It'll stop to do quizzes. [00:06:08] Tony Arsenal: It'll drill me on vocab as I'm going. And then when, when I up, the instruction I get is, don't move forward until you are convinced that I've mastered the content. And so when I get something wrong, it goes back and makes me redo it. So it continues to iterate until it's, until the AI has. Synthesize that I have mastered the content, and then it asks me to provide the next chapter. [00:06:30] Tony Arsenal: So it's a cool technology. It's a, it's a sort of novel use for the technology. Um, again, Google has built in modules that do this, but I think you could probably use chat, GPT or Claude or Orrock or whatever AI model you're using to accomplish the same goal. [00:06:45] Jesse Schwamb: There's no doubt that AI is great for like building study notes, helping you create space, repetition, all those like little hacks that we have long talked about. [00:06:53] Jesse Schwamb: And this provides it to you in a really bespoke course customized way, but it gets you involved. I'm with you if you wanna do this the old fashioned way. I'll go back to something I I've affirmed with before and that's this very famous book originally authored in the 1940s called How to Read a Book by Mor Mortimer, j Adler, and that is an exercise. [00:07:13] Jesse Schwamb: Helping you do some of that stuff in real time as well. Yeah, so I think there'd be a lovely compliment to say you're reading actively and then you get to test immediately that active reading by way of using ai. So even before, like, maybe even just jumping to like, well, let me read it, but I'm, I'm gonna trust that AI's gonna really kind of supplement me or fill in the gaps and just gimme what I need to know. [00:07:33] Jesse Schwamb: Trying to do that in real time. Pausing in your reading. Again, kind of studying as you go along, thinking out loud through what you've just read and then saying, alright, now test me is a great way to, 'cause who wants to like read stuff unless you can remember this stuff and then unless you can apply it, right? [00:07:48] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. So it's such a joy to be able to read things and then to remember. And if you haven't had that experience yet, I like your affirmation. I think this is a great way to test it out. [00:07:56] Tony Arsenal: Yeah, just to maybe flesh this out. So I, I asked it to, and I'm, I'm doing this sort of as an experiment just to see how it works, but also just 'cause it's, it's useful. [00:08:06] Tony Arsenal: I asked it to act as a seminary lecturer and I copied and paste the entire first chapter of the Westminster Confession. And rather than split it up by section and actually combined paragraphs that were. Um, related to each other. So it combined the list of Bible, uh, books, and then the chapter on apocrypha and gave me some like lectures. [00:08:25] Tony Arsenal: But here's what it said about, um, about chapter 10. It says, paragraph 10, declares the supreme judge can be no other than the Holy Spirit speaking scripture. This is the ultimate outworking of sola Scripture, means that every other authority is lesser authority that must submit to the judgment of the word of God. [00:08:42] Tony Arsenal: This includes decrees of church counsels. Opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, private spirits. It goes on for a little while longer. Then it says, I will give you a brief final quiz covering the whole of chapter one, and it asks questions like A historian makes the following claim. The Bible only has authority. [00:08:59] Tony Arsenal: It does because influential councils in the early church, like the Council of Carthage officially voted on which books would be included in the cannon. The church therefore gave the Bible its authority drawing from your knowledge of paragraphs three, uh, three, four, and five. Provide a two-part critique of the historian statement. [00:09:16] Tony Arsenal: Which then I had to type it out. It critiqued, um, it analyzed my answer. Um, I happened to get that question right. I did at one point think maybe this is actually just like finding a way to say everything that I say is right. So I purposely put a wrong answer in and it did identify that the answer was wrong, and then it made me go back and revisit that content. [00:09:35] Tony Arsenal: So it's very, it's a very cool use case. I'm glad that Google kind of built this in. They have all sorts of other gems. If you have, if you have a way to get access to Google Gemini, um. It's not the best AI for everything, but it's got, it's pretty versatile. It's got a lot of utility, so check it out. [00:09:53] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah, that sounds great. [00:09:53] Jesse Schwamb: Again, there's all kinds of fun things I think we could be using AI for to help us be better learners or to really enjoy our interaction with data and information more. Yeah. It is a really great way to conversationally help you to learn something, and that's what makes it so much better. It stands way far apart from, again, just leading, just reading or just creating flashcards or even just, just creating study notes, but that back and forth to test you on something, even if it's just like casual knowledge that you can really want to internalize. [00:10:21] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. I found that to be super valuable. Again, like, man, if you're a learner, if you're a reader, if you're a human being, what an amazing time to live in the world where data is so prevalent, but it's increasingly being brought into a place where we can put our arms around it in a way in which we're trying to really understand it. [00:10:38] Jesse Schwamb: You know, I think about how we used to search for something, I mean. Used to like this that like, that wasn't like last year. You know what I mean? Like we just go on to our, your favorite search engine. Type in a topic or maybe type in even a specific question. And at best you'd have to sort through this litany, this plethora, this morass of all these links about articles that may pertain to what you asked. [00:10:58] Jesse Schwamb: Or maybe they pertain to it generally, but not really specifically. Yeah. The specificity with which you can have a conversational interaction that engenders knowledge is wild. I mean, I really think that is like the huge play of ai. Just lean into it and enjoy it. [00:11:12] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah. Jesse, what are you affirming or denying tonight? [00:11:16] Nasal Spray Affirmation [00:11:16] Jesse Schwamb: I'm going a totally different direction. It's an affirmation, but I'm taking it from my ears, nose, nose, and throat doctor who affirmed this to me, so I might be totally late on this. There are very few things that I can say like somebody's recommended to me or affirm. It's been like absolute game changer, like just drop dead from the first moment I used it or employed the thing that it just changed everything. [00:11:38] Jesse Schwamb: This is one of those things. Which maybe I've just already oversold, but the affirmation is with something called it's, it's spelled X-L-E-A-R, I think it's still pronounced clear, but it's called literally phonetically XL nasal spray, and it's a. This doesn't sound very exciting, but bear with me everybody. [00:11:57] Jesse Schwamb: It's a natural, non-addictive saline nasal spray featuring Zi Atol as its primary active ingredient. So if you're not familiar with Zi Atol, which I wasn't until I went to my ENT by the way I've seen for many years and only just recommended this to me. So I had some words 'cause I was working, where's this been all my life. [00:12:14] Jesse Schwamb: But Zito is a naturally occurring alcohol sugar. It's found in like many fruits and vegetables, and it can be commercially produced from like birch wine or corn fiber. It looks and tastes similar to like table sugar, but it contains fewer calories, so it can be used and is often used as like a sweetener in sugar-free foods like chewing gum, mint candies, jam, stuff like that. [00:12:35] Jesse Schwamb: Here's one of the strange side effects. That they notice though about Zi atol, and that is it totally, uh, cleanses, moisturizes and soos nasal passages. And it gives you all kinds of relief from like common congestion stuff like colds, allergies, low humidity, humidity, science, pressure, stuff like that. What it does is it actually breaks down or lubricates your inner nasal passages, including like flushing out the mucus. like it works actually with your body. So what's amazing is it's, it's really great for, it's kinda like a soap for the nose. It clears up bacteria, pollens, dander, molds, like all kinds of irritants. [00:13:14] Jesse Schwamb: It also studies have shown blocks, adhesion of other pathogens like bacterial, fungal, viral to the mucosal tissues, helping the body to wash them away. So [00:13:23] Jesse Schwamb: this thing is absolutely. Wild. And I can say for certain that if you're the kind of person like me, where let's say like you're, you're hitting the Flonase hard at different seasons because you got those seasonal allergies because of the fall and because sin is real. I'm with you. That dries out your nose. [00:13:42] Jesse Schwamb: This thing is like a, a sauna or a spa for your nose, and then it literally like clears everything out. It's almost magical. I, I'm serious. It's so fantastic. So if you've been looking for something to really help with that and it, again, it's safe. There's no drug in it. It's not addictive, so you can use it all the time. [00:13:58] Jesse Schwamb: It's just saline and zi etol. It is phenomenal. So go get yourself, do yourself a favor. Do, do your, do your nose and your sinuses a solid and, and get the solids outta them by using. X clear. I feel like a bat just flew by your face or like a giant bird. [00:14:17] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. So, uh, first of all, that sounds like a really great thing to check out. [00:14:22] Tony Arsenal: Is this clear stuff? Um, I have had struggles with like sinus infections over the last couple years, so I'm gonna check this out when it gets to allergy season in the fall year. [00:14:32] Hummingbird Moth Encounter [00:14:32] Tony Arsenal: But yes, uh, one of the rare, uh, moths that I've learned lives near my house is called a, uh, what's it called? Uh. It commonly, it's called like a hummingbird moth. [00:14:44] Tony Arsenal: Have you heard of these things? Yeah. Oh yeah. Um, I've never seen them before, but the reason they're called hummingbird moths is 'cause they look like hummingbirds, but they're actually moths and I right now. Hopefully this will change eventually, but. It will have to, 'cause it gets cold here. Um, I'm recording outside and a hummingbird moth literally just flew between my computer and my face. [00:15:05] Tony Arsenal: Um, I wasn't talking at the time so you wouldn't be able to see it on the screen, which is too bad. Uh, but yeah, Jesse saw me freak out a little bit, which is uh, which is fine. [00:15:16] Jesse Schwamb: It happened the [00:15:16] Tony Arsenal: first time I saw one. I was like, is that a huge bee? No, it's just a hummingbird broth. [00:15:21] Jesse Schwamb: Somebody, everybody should look them up though, because they're kind of wild looking. [00:15:25] Jesse Schwamb: Like if you've seen it in real life, they have that hummingbird pose where the body, body is kind of laid back and the wings are going crazy. Like they literally do hover like that. Yeah. And they're, they're almost that big. The one that tried to attack you there was pretty large. [00:15:38] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. They don't, um, they, they. [00:15:41] Tony Arsenal: Move a little different than hummingbirds, which is why the first time that I saw one, I thought it was a bee. Um, because when they, when they land on a flower, they crawl inside the flower the same way that a, like a bee or a bumblebee will, um, they don't hover outside the flower like a hummingbird, but they do. [00:15:57] Tony Arsenal: They, their body is, I mean, their body is probably an, an inch and a half long like a hummingbird. Um, and it's thick like a hummingbird. They don't look like moths at all. So I'm not sure they must be part of the Moth family, I guess. Um, I'm trying to remember. It's. They have like a specific name, I wanna say Scarab, but that's not right. [00:16:14] Tony Arsenal: But it's something like that is the, the technical name of it. They're like a scarab moth or something like that. But [00:16:20] Jesse Schwamb: yeah, I've just come up. It's a wild name. [00:16:22] Tony Arsenal: This is your top 50 Entomology, uh, podcast apparently. As well as the top 50 health cath. We're gonna, we're gonna uh, com combine the two tonight, so yeah, I'm gonna check that out in the, the spring or in the fall here, Jesse. [00:16:34] Tony Arsenal: My, my allergies always go a little bit crazy when we get to September. Yeah. With all the, like leaves falling down and crumbling up and stuff, it just gets in the air, so I'll just, I'll spray some artificial sugar. It's not artificial. I'll spray some pseudo sugar in my nose and see what happens. [00:16:48] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. It does have the added benefit that because it is a naturally occurring. [00:16:53] Jesse Schwamb: Sugar, like it's a type of sugar alcohol that if it drips down the back of your throat, all you get is a little like, mm, sweet. [00:17:03] Tony Arsenal: I wanna know who the first guy who was like, let me put some of this fake sugar in my nose and see what happens was it's, [00:17:09] Jesse Schwamb: I'm telling you, it, it's better than any actual, like, prescribed nasal spray I've ever taken. [00:17:15] Jesse Schwamb: You can get it like just at your g it. Yeah. Or you can get it on Amazon. I, I will, I forgot about it for a while. I, maybe I use it daily now it's become my go-to. But I mean, I don't wanna make this weird or gross, but it's the kind of thing like if you wake up in the morning and you're stuffy and you, it feels like somebody parked like a bus way up in your sinus cavity. [00:17:32] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. And you're like, I can't even blow my nose. There's nothing there where, where's all this stuff? There's nothing there. If you use this, when I use this within two, two, I'd say like seven minutes, I can just. Drop a huge load of mucus right outta my face and you feel like a million bucks. I don't know how to describe it. [00:17:49] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah, it's like better than like a sinus rinse or a netty pot. I know this sounds wild, like I'm way too excited about this stuff, but that clear spray is wild. And what I especially love is that it's all natural, that I'm not doing any harm to my nose or my face by using it. And that it, I just feel better afterwards because it's like moisturized everything. [00:18:08] Jesse Schwamb: So, and there's, there's, the debate is I think ongoing. There's a lot apparently, because I went down the rabbit trail and looked at all these scholarly studies and peer-reviewed journal papers, all this stuff. There's a lot, I guess, uh, still somewhat in debate about like its ability to really help prevent certain things like COVID, any kind of like nasal airborne kind of like, yeah, because it helps to flush and it prevents literally bacteria from sticking, uh, inside your nasal passages. [00:18:34] Jesse Schwamb: So that could be a benefit. I can't say anything about that. I'm not a doctor. What, [00:18:40] Tony Arsenal: what I would love is, uh, if you are a listener who has seasonal allergies or whatever, uh, if you would join our telegram chat at t.me/reform brotherhood. Well done. We have what's normally a tastings channel, which is like people get like new foods they wanna check out, or a beer they like or whatever, and they'll, uh, they'll do a little tasting and a review. [00:19:04] Tony Arsenal: I would love if some people would join the channel and do some, some clear, clear. We'll go clear, uh, a tasting of this nasal spray. Yeah, please don't show us. 'cause that's disgusting. Right. But, uh, let us know. Let us know what you think of it. I think that'd be great. So that's t me slash Reform Brotherhood. [00:19:21] Jesse Schwamb: There you go. Come hang out with us. It's a lot of fun. I see we've had some people join that group this week, so I see you out there, brother Sean. Crushing it, getting in the mix. Welcome everybody. Come again. Spend a little time in there. And there's, I love that the channel for like the conversation about our episodes is. [00:19:37] Jesse Schwamb: Hot. It's going strong. I love that. And we gave the call last week. You should listen to last week's episode when we were really speaking about, uh, God's faithfulness and a challenge of how we seek after piety, under the care and the direction, the kind direction and the convicting influence of the Holy Spirit. [00:19:55] Jesse Schwamb: So many good things were said there. I really loved reading all those. And it probably goes without saying, but I'm gonna mention it anyway. You and I read everything that pops in there. Yeah. For the most part. I mean, sometimes I look at it and there's 150 messages, right? And um, it got wild. But I go back through and always, always read those. [00:20:10] Jesse Schwamb: But I especially love like the conversation when we invite people to say, like, now it's, we'd love to hear from you. And so I think that's gonna be a large part of what we talk about. On this episode as well. [00:20:20] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah. So, Jesse, why don't you lead us in here. This was the topic you brought up. I think it's a great one. [00:20:25] Tony Arsenal: I'd love to to dive into it here. [00:20:27] Christian Vocation and Work [00:20:27] Jesse Schwamb: I think one of the things that Christians always have to come to terms with at some point, every generation has to, but every person as well is, so where is my role as Christ child in something we might generally call like Christian activism? By which I mean like, of course, like Christians. [00:20:44] Jesse Schwamb: Attempt to improve or influence society through time, especially in our work. And as I was thinking about this recently, I think one of the hard things we have to measure out is well. Are there different places where we would, there's certainly jobs where we say Christians shouldn't hold that position because it contravenes God's law directly. [00:21:05] Jesse Schwamb: But what about these kind of, as we've talked about before, this threefold responsibility that we have in our callings, which you can go back to our previous catalog, which is all in the reform brotherhood.com, by the way. Listen to where we talked about this idea of like the vocation that happens in our work, in our households, in our church, and is it possible that in the work sphere that there are jobs that like Christians just shouldn't hold because it takes them too far away from their responsibilities in the other two spheres, which there are equally parts of their vocation, or if we want to put like a really fine point in it, and I don't really mean to derail the conversation with this question, but this would be exemplifying kind of what we're after here, which was like, should Christians be involved and. [00:21:47] Jesse Schwamb: In politics, are there other jobs like that where we'd say, listen, we, we tr we trust God in his sovereign superintendent will that he's always doing his good work. And you and I have talked at length about what it means to be living in the, under the normal principle of God using ordinary, normal means to do great and extraordinary things. [00:22:06] Jesse Schwamb: So how does all of that fit with our work? Are there lines to be drawn or. Does it not really matter? [00:22:15] Tony Arsenal: Yeah, I mean, I think for the sake of our conversation, we can just sort of take some professions off the table. Right? Of course, there are some professions of course, and calling them professions is probably even, probably even a misnomer. [00:22:27] Tony Arsenal: But there are some ways to earn money that are just intrinsically sinful that are outside of the scope of the conversation, right? You can't, uh, there's no argument for a Christian to become like. An assassin or like a drug dealer or a prostitute, like, there's no, there's no valid argument or discussion to be had around those. [00:22:45] Tony Arsenal: So we can just exclude those entirely. But I think for, for the sake of this conversation, we're talking about professions that do not involve, intrinsically involve sin, um, and, and may or may not have, um. Prudential reasons why they are not the best idea. Right. So I, I'm thinking like, the one that came to mind when you asked this was like, and it's funny because I, um, I mentioned the topic to my wife and, you know, she kind of joked, I was like, well, yeah, like Christians can't be. [00:23:15] Tony Arsenal: Can't like be porn stars, like that's not something you can do as a Christian. But then, then I, she said, well, what, what other professions would it be? I said, well, like, like a professional football player, right? And like the question is like, can a Christian be a professional football player? I think instinctively, right? [00:23:29] Tony Arsenal: We all say yes. But, but is that actually true? Right. And, and I would, I would make the argument that no, like a Christian can't be a professional football player or really, really any kind of professional sports, um, figure because it, it necessarily takes you away from the gathered fellowship of Christians on the Lord's day on far too often a basis. [00:23:47] Tony Arsenal: Right? I don't think you can make a good prudential argument to say like, well. It's fine for a Christian to be absent from the lord's uh, Lord's Day worship in his congregation of membership, you know, 60% of the time. Like, I just don't think you can make that argument. So I think in a lot of these cases, the immediate instinctive answer is yes. [00:24:07] Tony Arsenal: Uh. Christians can be part of any profession, and there's a certain, there's a certain way that that's true, but when we actually start to look at the way some professions actually play out, we have to analyze that a lot deeper. And this is actually not all that different than our conversation last week. [00:24:23] Tony Arsenal: Right. Involving like a. Pop culture and like media consumption is we have to look at what is actually, what the actual cost is. Uh, opportunity cost, I guess if we want to use like economic terms, what the actual opportunity cost is here of a particular profession in respect of. Our obligations and our commitments as a Christian and our obligation to the law of God, our obligation to our Christian brothers and sisters, all of that. [00:24:49] Tony Arsenal: So I think this is gonna be a great conversation. I'm excited to get into it. Um, but I do think it's one that we should think through a little bit more than just sort of like our gut reaction. Like we, of course, Christians can be involved in any profession. [00:25:00] Jesse Schwamb: Let me add to that. 'cause that's perfect. That's exactly, you're not on the same page as usual. [00:25:04] Jesse Schwamb: That's exactly where my mind was going. And what makes like this such a rich opportunity to really explore what the scripture has to say about this particular topic? I think you're right on that we need to weigh out, which we often just kind of glance over. What are the other responsibilities by taking on a particular line of work or job. [00:25:20] Jesse Schwamb: Does that necessarily mean that we must sacrifice and preclude these other areas? We should have direct or more intimate involvement because that is also part of vocation. Part of that, like we've talked about at length before, is responsibility in the Lord's day. So we might set that up as one particular test. [00:25:36] Jesse Schwamb: To that end, another one might be exactly what you were saying. So here's like the opposite of like the professional footballer or American football or whatever. Pick your, pick your sports. What about like high level? High responsibility, let's say leadership positions like in all kinds of areas of industry that would require the man or the woman to, let's say, like be on call continually, or maybe to sacrifice long hours at that job as part and parcel of what's required to do it effectively. [00:26:04] Jesse Schwamb: And that might mean that necessarily like not being very connected with family or having to be away from their family a lot of the time. I think what we often come to is this idea that, wouldn't it be great if Christians were just everywhere and were infiltrating all the things all the time at all the levels. [00:26:21] Jesse Schwamb: I think the question here that's under the surface is, is that what God assigns in a life of vocation? And maybe it's, it's of course more nuance than that and it could be for the person. Again, I wanna be clear that, like we said before, vocation is a very specific and narrow term in that we're talking about an actual calling being called out for a particular purpose. [00:26:42] Jesse Schwamb: And if we're using that in the right way, then it's possible that with the exception of some things like the Lord's Day, the other thing I just talked about, season of life. And your particular commitments or entanglements, they might be different from person to person. Therefore, allow for a direct call that God gives to a particular purpose at a particular time. [00:27:01] Jesse Schwamb: I think what I'm really kind of weighing out here is if we understand how the reformers viewed all of this. We have to come to this conclusion that God assigns us a life and then God calls us to that life. And that really is what vocation is all about. And notice in that there's nothing that's said about choosing a vocation or finding your true vocation or being fulfilled even in your vocation. [00:27:24] Jesse Schwamb: We may experience a struggle with all of that, but vocation is fundamentally God's doing. So what is. God doing in our society. And as you said, are there roles that he's, in a way not calling, let's say like the, the quintessential or the normative, I don't wanna say average 'cause that implies the weird thing, but Right. [00:27:44] Jesse Schwamb: Kind of Christian too. And I think. We've gotta, we've gotta wrestle with that because you're right. Like we too often just run to, we need Christians in all the places now let's get them everywhere. Doing all the things. Yeah. And that might be good from our perspective, because Christians should be the best workers as we said that we should. [00:28:01] Jesse Schwamb: The most kind. There is the salt in lights everywhere. However, it takes a Christian to do all those things. And can a Christian in certain roles have great fidelity to the threefold? [00:28:13] Exploring the Theology of Work and the Lord's Day [00:28:13] Jesse Schwamb: Calling and vocation of life while upholding certain jobs and responsibilities. [00:28:19] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think, um, I think that may be like a little bit of progam is, is warranted here too. [00:28:26] Tony Arsenal: Like there, you know, there's the, the, the conversation at the top of like, some, some professions are just out of bounds. Yeah. Um, but there's also, you know, a pretty robust theology. And I think a lot of this is gonna center around. Uh, maybe just for simplicity's sake and for the fact that we have 30 minutes left of a conversation that probably could be multiple hours, um, there's a pretty robust apparatus in reform theology that is designed to help Christians understand whether or not, um. [00:28:57] Tony Arsenal: A particular activity is acceptable on the Lord's day. And we've, we've had conversations in the past about like, if, if all of your theology of the Lord's Day is about what you can and can't do, then you're missing the point entirely. [00:29:11] Jesse Schwamb: That's right. [00:29:11] Tony Arsenal: But there is an element of what you can and can't do in terms of understanding the Lord's day. [00:29:16] Tony Arsenal: Right. We're, we're not supposed to engage in worldly recreation or employment on the Lord's day. So we have to talk about what that means. And so I think. [00:29:24] Works of Necessity and Charity on the Lord's Day [00:29:24] Tony Arsenal: I think to start with, like there's categories, like works of necessity, works of charity, um, that, or, or like works of ministry, which would, would sort of be a third category that's not necessarily, um, not necessarily enumerated in many of the sources, but it's assumed that like pastors who are working on the Lord's day are not, they're not violating the Sabbath by doing the work on the Sabbath. [00:29:47] Tony Arsenal: Um, I think we have to have those categories. 'cause I think that helps us inform too, like. If you are the CEO of a major retailer, does that mean you have to work on Sunday, right? Well, probably it does. Like, it probably means that on a regular basis you're gonna be checking emails on your phone, you're gonna be taking phone calls. [00:30:05] Tony Arsenal: You've got, you might have partners in markets overseas where it, it's Sunday morning for you, but it's Monday afternoon or you know, Monday morning for them or something like that. Um. I think that the industry you're in largely is going to drive whether that's an acceptable or, or an appropriate role for you. [00:30:24] Tony Arsenal: So I could see a situation where you could make the argument that being the CEO of a of a major medical center, right. Where the work that's being done at the medical center falls easily within that sort of definition of, uh, works of necessity. A nurse who is working in the emergency room or a police officer or a firefighter or somebody who is fixing the power, like in our society, right? [00:30:47] Tony Arsenal: Electricity is, is not an option for most people. It's not a, it's not a luxury for most people. So those, those professions. It's acceptable to work on the Lord's Day when it's a work of necessity, and so the higher level leadership positions that make those possible and constrain them also, I think. Would fall under that same work of necessity. [00:31:06] Tony Arsenal: If the CEO of my hospital, I don't know if she's a Christian or not. I, I'm, I'm not speculating on that, but if, if the CEO of my hospital was a Christian or is a Christian and she has to take an important phone call on Sunday morning and miss the Lord's day because if she doesn't take care of that, the hospital's not gonna function correctly and people may not have emergency services. [00:31:26] Tony Arsenal: I don't think that's a violation of the south principle. If the same scenario is happening and it's the CEO of Best Buy and they need to take a phone call, otherwise people won't be able to buy widgets on Sunday afternoon, that's a different calculation. So I think like right off the bat, we have to start having those conversations about what's the nature of the work, what's the, what's the tell loss of the work or the end aim of the work. [00:31:46] Tony Arsenal: That's really important as well. [00:31:48] Balancing Professional Responsibilities and Christian Obligations [00:31:48] Jesse Schwamb: So it sounds like though what we're saying, both of us in a way, is that if you run that test, so to speak, like you go through that algorithm and you come out with this idea that you know, it's, you're saying your industry is more like Best Buy and less like your local hospital, then there might be significant and maybe insurmountable roadblocks to taking that position Should be as a c. [00:32:08] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah, I mean, that's kinda what we're saying. [00:32:10] Tony Arsenal: Oh yeah, for sure. And you know, like this is a real world application I think for a lot of people. I remember when I was in college, um, I had the opportunity to take a promotion. I worked at Best Buy. I, I'm not using Best Buy as an example for any specific reason, but I worked at Best Buy. [00:32:23] Tony Arsenal: I worked in the Geek Squad area and I had the opportunity to take a promotion. Um, and the sort of the strings that came with the promotion is that I was expected to be available to work on Sundays. I didn't have a super robust doctrine of the Lord's Day at the time. Like I wasn't super theologically versed on Sabbath theology and stuff. [00:32:39] Tony Arsenal: Um, but it just didn't sit right with me. And so initially I didn't take the, I didn't take the, um, promotion because I didn't feel comfortable saying at the time, it was mostly about like, I'm not gonna miss the church service. I didn't feel comfortable saying I need to be available. And that might mean I Ms. [00:32:57] Tony Arsenal: Church to, to be able to take this shift. Um, eventually the management adapted and said, well, we'll just figure out something else. We really want you to take the position, but that's the kind of question we have to ask. And then that same question, as you move up in an organization, it expands and you're more likely to need to be drawn away from Lord State worship or just general. [00:33:19] Tony Arsenal: Obligations on the Lord's Day. [00:33:20] Personal Experiences and Real-World Applications [00:33:20] Tony Arsenal: And I don't wanna make this entirely about the Lord's Day 'cause there are other obligations that Christians have and it probably will be interesting to get to those. But I think, um, the, the other thing maybe that I wanna push back on a little bit too is I. I, I've never been a CEO. [00:33:34] Tony Arsenal: I probably never will be a CEO. You're far closer to a CEO than I ever will be. But I think a lot of times we assume those positions have no flexibility. Right. But in reality, some of those people are absolutely able to say, I'm gonna take, I'm gonna take Sunday, and just not. Yes, I'm not gonna do work on Sunday. [00:33:52] Tony Arsenal: I'm gonna delegate that. You know? And then this is a whole other question. I'm gonna delegate that to someone else. Well, there's a whole different question that comes with that, but saying like, I'm just not going to do work on Sunday is actually within the options for a lot of positions. So that's the other question is when we take a position, do we have the option to set aside the Lord's Day? [00:34:11] Tony Arsenal: Even if we might acknowledge that occasionally, that's not gonna work out. There are oftentimes in all of our lives that we're drawn away from being able to fulfill our ordinary obligation of the Lord's Day, and I don't think that that's intrinsically sinful. If on a rare occasion you're not able to attend the Lord's Day worship or something like that. [00:34:29] Tony Arsenal: So I think those are questions we have to ask. Then what? What kind of other Christian obligations do we have? And this is hypothetical, but you're welcome to answer if you've got one in mind. Like what other kinds of Christian obligations do we have that any particular vocation or particular job might make difficult or impossible to fulfill? [00:34:47] Tony Arsenal: I think those are questions we have to ask. [00:34:49] Jesse Schwamb: I'm with you. And that's actually more where my mind goes because again, we've talked before and for some Christians it's easier to identify the stuff that certainly explicitly contravenes the Lord's Day. And I think it's more difficult to say like we, again, I think we talked before about that threefold responsibility and the vocation that is to like work that is like our industry, so to speak, and then to our household, then to our church. [00:35:10] Jesse Schwamb: So the church often does. Again, in a very finely pointed way, connect very tightly with the Lord. Say what about that household stuff? Yeah. So what about these jobs that would just make you too busy? And I think like what's interesting to your point is I agree. Like I think part of this conversation is just a thoughtful assessment of what the job entails, and then even as like maybe you're taking a job or considering a job. [00:35:33] Jesse Schwamb: Having a conversation with your potential employer about what opportunity is there for flexibility given like certain convictions that you have? All of that could fall into place neatly and I think would still be within the bounds of yes, but I think part of this is if it's truly a calling that we, we have to be praying through it and assessing whether God is calling us through that. [00:35:50] Jesse Schwamb: Part of that is passing it through the sin of what the scriptures require in each of those threefold vocational responsibilities. So sometimes I hear there is like a pushback or counter, this argument says, but wouldn't it be better? [00:36:01] The Role of Christians in Leadership Positions [00:36:01] Jesse Schwamb: Wouldn't it be fantastic if you get a Christian as an opportunity to be a CEO? [00:36:05] Jesse Schwamb: Isn't it better for them to be a CEO and to be in that role, even if they're crazy busy, even if they're sacrificing so much for their family, for their household or for the church because they simply, they're gonna be a Christian and think of the role model and the emphasis and the impact they can have. [00:36:19] Jesse Schwamb: And to that, I would say we gotta be really careful with that loved ones because God, I don't think God's calling us to necessarily have outside impact. What he's calling us to is, is faithfulness. Invocation, invocation pulls us back into those three responsibilities, and we know the way in which God prefers to work His jam is these ordinary means, these natural ways of in the normative work of our lives and faithfulness showing that his power is demonstrated in this weakness. [00:36:44] Jesse Schwamb: Somehow we're back to the theology of. Glory and theology of cross. But you know, it's interesting to me that there are no calls like in the entire scriptures, of course, to withdraw into like a private ghetto or to take back the realms of cultural and political activity. And so I think we have to be really careful about even how we kind of pull that into then how. [00:37:03] Jesse Schwamb: Our jobs that like, shouldn't it be my goal as a Christian to get as most influence as possible? And I think I wanna push back on that and say like, you know, the, the church, the Christian exists within the world as a community of word and sacrament. But it doesn't always have to seek influence in larger society. [00:37:19] Jesse Schwamb: It can. It can. And when God provides the opportunity by way of clear calling, I think internal and external that is appropriate. However, often that calling is gonna come at a much more normative level, I think. And, and I do not believe that we are somehow compromising or sub-optimizing the work that God does in the world merely because we might have a Christian that says, I don't know if it's right for me to be in this leadership role, and therefore a unbeliever is going to vault above that person's speaker or take that role on that somehow. [00:37:51] Jesse Schwamb: Again, God's superintendent will, or his strong arm is, is somehow pulled aback from what he wants to do that we need like more Christian plumbing in the world. I do kind of bristle that idea a little bit. Specifically because I wonder if sometimes we go outside of that calling. [00:38:08] Tony Arsenal: Yeah, I, I'm picking up what you're putting down and I think, I think there's, um, it, it does all come back to theology, the cross theology of glory. [00:38:17] Tony Arsenal: And I'm glad that, that, that conversation happened before this. 'cause I think there's good framework there. I, I think, um, we, we as Christians can often confuse. The transformative power of the gospel with other ways of transforming culture. Yeah, that's good. Right. So, um, it is totally, um, I wanna be careful how I phrase this. [00:38:42] Tony Arsenal: I'm not post mill, I'm probably never gonna be post mill, but I'm okay with a kind of post mill theology that says that the gospel of Jesus Christ, as people become Christians, the culture will. Change along with that. And the gospel has a transformative power in that it changes individuals and individuals make up, make up the broader society. [00:39:05] Tony Arsenal: And so the society itself changes. Where I struggle with some flavors of postal theology, and this is where I think the theology of glory comes in, is there are some kinds of postal theology I'm thinking, I'm thinking, um, like Doug Wilson, they just, uh, opened A-C-R-A-C church in Washington, DC specifically with the goal of gaining influence with politicians. [00:39:26] Tony Arsenal: Right. I might be misconstruing that a little bit 'cause I haven't read all of it, but that's, that's the impression that I'm getting from some of their promotional material. I, I think we can, we can look at it and say the gospel can change culture as the gospel. And so where that. [00:39:43] Sacrifices and Priorities in Christian Vocation [00:39:43] Tony Arsenal: Levels of playing field is that whether you are, and this is where I think a genuine Protestant reform theology of vocation comes in, whether you're the janitor of the hospital or whether you're the CEO of the hospital, the gospel is the same and your role in proclaiming the gospel is the same. [00:39:58] Tony Arsenal: And you might have more people's ear as the CEO than you do as the janitor. Although I would maybe question that knowing how many people janitors interact with at the hospital, um, you may have more people's ears in a higher level position, but the message that you're proclaiming, the influence that you're wielding or you're using, I don't know what you wanna say. [00:40:18] Tony Arsenal: It's not different because it's still just the gospel. [00:40:21] Jesse Schwamb: That's good. [00:40:21] Tony Arsenal: Um. Where I think we can get confused is when we look at it and say, but we have these other opportunities to transfer, transform the culture by, um, for example, I, I'm the supervisor in my patient relations department. I'm making changes to the, to the policy and the way that we as a sort of service recovery resolution group, the way that we interact with patients, I'm making changes to that. [00:40:46] Tony Arsenal: I think those changes are consistent with the law of God as revealed in the light of nature, and I'm. I'm informed of those things and my whole outlook and ethos is shaped by the scriptures, but. I don't see the transformation of the way we interact with patients as somehow propagating the gospel, right? [00:41:05] Tony Arsenal: So we can, we can make transformation and make society better, right? If you're a politician, you can, you can legislate things that make society more outwardly in conformity with the law of God or more pleasant and more prosperous, and more flourishing, and those are all fine and well, but that's not. [00:41:21] Tony Arsenal: Building the kingdom of God in, in a strict sense. Right? And so I think what we're getting at is our, would it be great if, if, you know, the CEO of a major Fortune 500 company could be a Christian? Yeah. That would be kind of cool. Sure of That'd be nice, of course. And yeah, they could probably do a lot of good things and they could probably shape the way that that business runs and they could probably, um, have more opportunities to share the gospel. [00:41:42] Tony Arsenal: They could probably shape their business into a vehicle that, that moves forward. Missions, all those things are great, but. If the trade off is that that person has to sacrifice their genuine Christian convictions, right? That's not worth it. And I think we, we look at this and we might be able to identify certain. [00:42:00] Tony Arsenal: Obvious ways that we would say, no, it's not worth it. Right? If a CEO, uh, the CEO of a major retailer has to give way to all of the, um, transgender LGBT sexual, you know, identity politics has to give way to that in order to survive as CEO, I think we would all look at that and go, yeah, it's probably a hard sacrifice, but that's a sacrifice we would expect a genuine Christian to make at that level. [00:42:25] Tony Arsenal: Where we might not look at it is saying, well, I don't know. The Bible says that if you don't properly care for your family, then you're worse than an unbeliever. That's right. And so that CEO that is at the office for 70 hours a week and is never home, um, and their kids don't, you know, their kids don't have an opportunity to know their father or their mother because their. [00:42:44] Tony Arsenal: Constantly jet setting around the world. I don't know that we would as readily identify that as a sacrifice. I would actually argue that, that the Bible is probably clearer about that being a problem than it is about identity politics or other sort of, of social issues that, that, uh, a business person might have to. [00:43:04] Tony Arsenal: Hold their nose a little bit and, and, you know, sign off on a commercial or something that they don't necessarily want to, I'm not advocating that they should do that, but I think the Bible is clearer about a person who is taken away from their home more than is reasonable and more than is healthy for their family. [00:43:20] Tony Arsenal: Or a Christian who never is able to worship on the Lord's day, um, or, or something like that. I think the Bible is clearer about that than it is on. Something like identity politics and some of the tangential ways that, that might, might cause a person to need to compromise a little bit at a high level. [00:43:35] Tony Arsenal: So I, I think this is a, it's an interesting question that we probably don't think about it from the right angle most of the time. [00:43:41] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah, it's just too easy to consider this in light of if we can get more responsibility, that should always be a good thing. And I think that proclivity is, is fine and maybe even noble, but sometimes I think we do get it twisted where we get this sense that we are trying to make the world into something moral like the church. [00:43:57] Jesse Schwamb: And if we could do that in our jobs and get the most influence in that greatest sphere of impact. We should always take on those additional responsibilities. And I do think we have to sit back and ask and say, is that the calling? So that we're pursuing what is our vocation, not just our potential. [00:44:13] Jesse Schwamb: There's a lot of brilliant, God has made all kinds of brilliant people. Many of them are his children, and as a result of that, we might say like we should always again be trying to move up. And this is not to say that we shouldn't take great initiative, that we shouldn't want to try to do more and be more productive. [00:44:27] Jesse Schwamb: You and I have always been outspoken about that kind of thing, but I think there is a real temptation. To somehow say like, what we need to do is like to infiltrate in all the places. And I think what we mean by that is that things will, like, whether we wanna admit it or not, that things here will be better. [00:44:41] Jesse Schwamb: And I, I don't know all the time that what we're saying is what you just said, which was that what we're really concerned with is that the gospel get proclaimed more forthrightly. More loudly, more specifically, more cogently in all places. But that if we just had good examples of moral behavior and good character, yes, those things are profitable in and of their own ways, but there's also a lot of common grace we see God bring about good leaders who are not a Christian at high level to do that kind of thing. [00:45:05] Jesse Schwamb: And sometimes I do wonder, just depending on the job, quite honestly, whether it's really possible for Christian to be successful in that job. [00:45:14] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. [00:45:14] Jesse Schwamb: As like the world or the industry or the company has defined it. I'm not sure that's the case, so I don't wanna put like too high a line on this. I think we're trying to just drop a bomb in some ways and say, I'm not gonna make it overly prescriptive and say like, as a Christian, you can't be a CEO. [00:45:29] Jesse Schwamb: Move on. That's not true at all. Of course, again, here are hopefully what we said about the particulars of that wrestling through it and again. Really sensing where there's an actual call on your life that God has given for that role in a particular time. But I do think we ought to question where there's always and everywhere appropriate for any Christian to take on, quite frankly, any job. [00:45:51] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. And so I'm with you. Sometimes it's super easy when I first start out in banking, when I was looking for my second banking job. I had a great interview. It was a very nice company. The bank actually doesn't exist anymore, but, uh, one of the things, one of their big, like, kind of gimmicks was they were open seven days a week. [00:46:09] Jesse Schwamb: And so I said to them, well. I attend church on Sundays. That's my day of rest and my high conviction on that. And I said, is there any flexibility with that? And they said, Nope. You would still have to be on the schedule. And though they very graciously offered me the job, I was thankfully in a place where I, I turned that down. [00:46:26] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. Actually I didn't have a job at the time, but I turned it down trusting. That God would provide. And this wasn't my great act of faith on my part. It was more of just, I think what you were saying, Tony, growing in our conviction that those things really do matter. Yes. And that it's sometimes just too easy to kind of push them aside and say, I, I know it's gonna be really stressful. [00:46:43] Jesse Schwamb: I know it might take much more of my time than I want to give. I know I might be at home a lot less. I know I might have less like attentional fortitude and space to think about my spouse or my children, but it's gonna be worth it because. I'll be able to like have this big influence. I do think sometimes madness lies that way. [00:47:02] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. Certainly a great deal of foolishness. This is just hopefully a call for all of us as God's children to, to think through that. I don't wanna discourage anybody from taking on bigger and bolder things for the kingdom of God. I think we all have to think about what it is that we're. Promulgating or proclaiming when we talk about the Kingdom of God coming and whether or not we're just trying to make the world a better place, so to speak. [00:47:26] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. By bringing our like quote unquote Christian influence into a setting where really that influence is now particularly strong and what it's actually compromising is the vocation that we're meant to undertake. [00:47:37] Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions [00:47:37] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Are you ready to, for me to drop two bombs? Just, just straight up. You got, [00:47:41] Jesse Schwamb: you got two of them. [00:47:42] Jesse Schwamb: Let's do it. I, I've [00:47:43] Tony Arsenal: got 13 minutes or less left on this episode. There go. So I actually got into a pretty big, uh, like a pretty big dust up with someone way back in the day when I was in the reform hub over actually this topic. And I'm surprised I didn't think of it earlier in the evening. Um, we are using like CEOs as like kind of the proxy for this, but there's all sorts of jobs where, um, your, your job may be admirable and it may be. [00:48:06] Tony Arsenal: Right. Even something that's sort of quote unquote necessary for society. But I got into a big dust up with someone who was an overroad trucker, right? And they were constantly, um, posting in the pub at, at back in the day. They were constantly posting how discouraged they were and, and how difficult their faith was and how much of a challenge it was to just remain faithful as a Christian. [00:48:27] Tony Arsenal: And I. Originally, I kind of naively and, and I think innocently said like, well, you know, like, have you talked to your pastor about this? And the person said like, well, I don't have a regular church because I'm always on the road. And I said like, well, there's your problem. Like there's the first step is like, figure out your local church thing. [00:48:43] Tony Arsenal: He said, well, I can't do that

Zi de jocuri europene pentru FCSB, CFR și Universitatea. Campioana visează din nou la Europa League dar trebuie să treacă pe Arena Națională de Aberdeen cu care a terminat la egalitate, 2-2, în Scoția. În Conference League, vicecampioana are o misune imposibilă acasă după umilința din Suedia, iar echipa din Craiova e favorită la calificare la domiciliu în fața turcilor de la Bașakșehir, pe care a învins-o în tur, scor 2-1. Tudor Furdui analizează șansele celor 3 echipe românești. Calificarea FCSB-ului în faza principală a Europa League se hotărăște diseară pe Arena Națională, care va fi luată cu asalt de fanii campioanei. În tur, bucureștenii au reușit la Aberdeen doar un rezultat de egalitate, după ce au condus cu 2 la 0. Un meci care a semănat cu derby-ul cu Rapid, de acum 3 săptămâni. Început bun, după care delăsare totală. De altfel, în campionat, FCSB nu mai sperie pe nimeni. A pierdut pentru a treia oară consecutiv acasă, ceea ce nu s-a mai întâmplat de 10 ani, cu un categoric 0 la 2 în fața nou-promovatei FC Argeș, și a ajuns la patru înfrângeri în șapte etape, ocupând abia locul 13 în clasament. În Europa, campioana României a alternat meciurile bune, de exemplu cele împotriva campioanei din Kosovo, cu cele slabe, de exemplu înfrângerea din Andorra sau dubla cu campioana Macedoniei de Nord. Cu toate acestea, patronul Gigi Becali este sigur că FCSB va trece de Aberdeen și va ajunge în grupa principală de Europa League, la fel ca în sezonul trecut. E scor de calificare și nu e neapărat scorul, e diferența de valoare. Adică noi avem jucători mai valoroși, ei au niște jucători mai muncitori. Nu știu, probabil au metode de antrenament, probabil au alimentație, farmacie,  cine știe? Fotbalul nu mai e numai pe alergat. Adică alergatul rezolvă mult, dar trebuie și tehnic. O să ne calificăm. Diferența de goluri nu va fi, că nu e chiar mare diferența, pentru că noi zicem că marcăm.  Eu cred în calificare. Și atacantul Florin Tănase spune că, deși în competiția internă FCSB este într-o perioadă mai puțin bună, în cupele europene echipa se mobilizează altfel și poate obține calificarea. Dacă vom fi bine noi și vom juca cu aceeași determinare cum am jucat acolo la ei, eu cred că avem șanse mari să ne calificăm, plus că avem avantajul suporterilor, care este unul foarte mare. O misiune imposibilă are CFR în returul cu Hacken, după umilința 2 la 7 de pe terenul sintetic din Suedia, care a dus la demisia lui Dan Petrescu. Echipa nu și-a revenit nici în campionat, unde se află acum pe loc de baraj. În deplasarea de la Galați a pierdut lamentabil 1 la 4 în fața Oțelului, după ce apărarea a făcut gafe de cascadorii râsului la două dintre reușitele gălățenilor. După înfrângere, veteranul Mario Camora, cel mai vechi component al echipei, a recunoscut că este cea mai grea perioadă de când este la Cluj. E rușinos ce facem. Și dacă nu ne trezim, la finalul sezonului, ne vom lupta la retrogradare. E ce mai umilitoare perioadă de când sunt  la CFR. Acum clujenii au un nou antrenor. Italianul Andrea Mandorlini a revenit în Gruia, dar înfrângerea din tur, din Suedia, atârnă greu, iar diferența de cinci goluri pare imposibil de surmontat. În fine, Universitatea Craiova are prima șansă să se califice în grupa principală de Conference League, după victoria din Turcia 2 la 1, cu echipa de suflet a președintelui Erdogan, Bașakșehir. Craiova are o evoluție aproape perfectă și în campionat, unde este lider, cu șase victorii din șapte posibile. Calificarea nu este încă obținută. Echipa turcă poate crea surpriza. O spune chiar antrenorul Mirel Rădoi, care le cere suporterilor să fie trup și suflet alături de echipă, chiar și în momentele mai puțin bune. Sper ca joi seara să ne calificăm. Cred că toată lumea trebuie să fim în momentele astea și joi să fim uniți. O singură parte din acest tot unitar, dacă nu este lângă noi, vom suferi. Iar dacă vom începe să suferim cu o echipă foarte bună, așa cum cum este Bașakșehir, vom vom avea mari probleme. Sper ca suporterii să fie alături de echipă și să aibă mai multă răbdare. Și fundașul oltenilor, Vasile Mogoș, vrea un stadion arhiplin diseară. Trebuie nu doar 11 jucători, nu 29 de jucători, trebuie să fie 30.000 de oameni, pentru că nu cred că-i destul doar echipa. Cred că trebuie să fie tot orașul. Și Alexandru Crețu, autorul unui gol în ultima partidă de campionat cu Petrolul, își chema toți fanii la stadion. Cu toții știm că e un meci foarte important. Am scos un rezultat foarte bun în Turcia. Ne așteptăm ca stadionul să vină să fie full și ei să ne susțină necondiționat. Și noi vom lupta pentru ei. Nu trebuie să schimbăm absolut nimic din ce am făcut la ei și cred eu că la final vom ieși calificați.

W ostatnim odcinku drugiego sezonu przedstawiamy historię Karla Denkego - jednego z najokrutniejszych seryjnych morderców w historii Niemiec. Adam Gusowski i Maciej Wiśniewski zabiorą Cię do Münsterbergu, dzisiejszych Ziębic na Dolnym Śląsku, gdzie rozgrywa się jedna z najbardziej makabrycznych historii kryminalnych XX wieku. Kontakt: cosmopopolsku@rbb-online.de Homepage: cosmopopolsku.de Facebook: www.facebook.com/cosmopopolsku Von Adam Gusowski.

Karl Denke, born on August 12, 1870, in Münsterberg, Silesia (now Ziębice, Poland), was a German serial killer and cannibal known as the “Cannibal of Münsterberg” or “The Forgotten Cannibal.” Operating between 1903 and 1924, he is believed to have murdered and cannibalized at least 30 to 40 homeless vagrants and travelers. Denke, often called … Continue reading Episode 463: Cannibal Serial Killer and Human Meat Vendor Karl Denke

Pirms pāris dienām ASV prezidents Donalds Tramps savā sociālajā tīklā paziņoja, ka esot panākta vienošanās par uguns pārtraukšanu starp Irānu un Izraēlu. Savukārt Baltkrievijā no režīma cietumiem atbrīvoti un Lietuvā ieradušies četrpadsmit politieslodzītie. Ārvalstu aktualitātes apspriežam kopā ar ārpolitikas ekspertu Andi Kudoru un Latvijas Radio Ziņu dienesta ārzemju ziņu korespondentu Rihardu Plūmi. * Divpadsmitdienu karš? 23. jūnija pievakarē pēc Savienoto Valstu Austrumkrasta laika prezidents Tramps savā sociālajā tīklā paziņoja, ka esot panākta vienošanās par uguns pārtraukšanu starp Irānu un Izraēlu ar 25. jūniju. Līdz ar to „Divpadsmitdienu karš”, kā to nodēvēja prezidents, esot noslēdzies. Vai šis apzīmējums patiešām ieiesies, respektīvi, vai uguns pārtraukšana, kura vakar sāka izskatīties diezgan cerīgi, paliks spēkā un pāraugs zināmā noregulējumā – par to pagaidām drošas pārliecības, protams, nav. Kā zināms, 22. jūnijs nesa jaunu pavērsienu militārajā sadursmē, kad amerikāņu gaisa spēku bumbvedēji B-2 raidīja vairākas lieljaudas vadāmās aviobumbas, savukārt jūras spēki – spārnotās raķetes „Tomahawk” pa trim Irānas kodolobjektiem: urāna bagātināšanas rūpnīcām Fordo un Natanzā, kā arī Isfahānas kodoltehnoloģiju centru. Tika laisti darbā jaudīgākie konvencionālie ieroči, kādu Izraēlas rīcībā nav, un kuri, kā tika lēsts, varētu nodarīt Irānas kodolprogrammai izšķirošu postu. Drīz pēc tam Vašingtona sāka bombardēt abas konfliktējošās puses ar uguns pārtraukšanas prasījumiem. Irānas ārlietu ministrs Abass Aragči reaģēja uz prezidenta Trampa paziņojumu par uguns pārtraukšanu, sakot, ka vienošanās gan vēl neesot panākta, bet Irāna ir gatava pārtraukt triecienus otrdienas agrā rītā, ja Izraēla rīkosies tāpat. Dažas stundas vēlāk arī Izraēlas puse paziņoja, ka esot gatava uguns pārtraukšanai, jo karadarbības mērķi sasniegti. Otrdienas rītā gan no Irānas puses pret Izraēlu esot raidītas divas raķetes, un par atbildi Izraēlas gaisa spēki uzbrukuši kādam radaram Teherānas pievārtē, taču pēc tam patiešām iestājies klusums. Cik var spriest, izšķirošais bijis Donalda Trampa telefona zvans premjeram Netanjahu. Vakarā Irāna atvērusi savu gaisa telpu civilās aviācijas lidojumiem, savukārt Izraēla atcēlusi iedzīvotājiem noteiktos ierobežojumus un ziņojusi par lidostu darbības atsākšanu. Zīmīgi, ka abas puses dēvē sevi par uzvarētājām. Premjers Netanjahu paudis, ka viņa valsts vēsturiskās uzvaras nozīme nezudīšot paaudzēm ilgi. Viņa Irānas kolēģis Masuds Pezeškiāns, savukārt, izteicies, ka Izraēla esot saņēmusi „smagu un vēsturisku” pārmācīšanu. Irānas kodolprogramma, kā apgalvo tās valdība, nepavisam neesot sagrauta. Ko līdzīgu pauž arī Savienoto Valstu izlūkdienestu primārais ziņojums, kura saturs tapis zināms presei. Ziņojumā pausts, ka izraēliešu un amerikāņu uzlidojumi varētu būt nobremzējuši Irānas kodolprogrammas gaitu vien uz dažiem mēnešiem. Attiecīgās mediju ziņas likušas pukoties prezidentam Trampam, kurš amerikāņu uzlidojumus Irānai dēvē par vienu no sekmīgākajiem militārajiem triecieniem pasaules vēsturē. Daži brīvībā, tūkstotis paliek aiz restēm Sestdien Savienoto Valstu prezidenta īpašais sūtnis Kīts Kellogs apmeklēja Minsku, kur tikās ar Baltkrievijas autoritāro vadoni Aļaksandru Lukašenku. Nākamajā dienā mediji izplatīja ziņu, ka no režīma cietumiem atbrīvoti un Lietuvā ieradušies četrpadsmit politieslodzītie. Daļa no atbrīvotajiem ir ārvalstu pilsoņi vai personas ar dubultu pilsonību – Zviedrijas, Polijas, Japānas un arī divi Latvijas valstspiederīgie. Bet īpaši nozīmīgu šo Minskas autokrāta žestu padara baltkrievu opozīcijas līdera Sjarheja Cihanouska izlaišana no cietuma. Cihanouskis, blogeris un uzņēmējs, atļāvās mest izaicinājumu diktatoram 2020. gada vēlēšanās. Tieši viņš priekšvēlēšanu kampaņas laikā asociēja ūsaino vadoni ar tarakānu, kurš būtu nospiežams ar čību. Baltkrievijas Centrālā vēlēšanu komisija lēma nepielaist blogeri vēlēšanām, un drīz pēc tam viņš tika aizturēts. Stafeti no vīra pārņēmusī Svetlana Cihanouska, startējot kā apvienotās opozīcijas kandidāte, vēlēšanās, domājams, saņēma daudz vairāk nekā varas oficiāli atzītos 10 % balsu. Svetlanai Cihanouskai nācās bēgt no Baltkrievijas, savukārt Sjarhejam tika piespriesti astoņpadsmit gadi cietumā, apsūdzot viņu masu nekārtību organizēšanā un naida kurināšanā. Tagad, sabijis aiz restēm piecus gadus, viņš ir brīvībā un atkal kopā ar ģimeni, kaut pārvērties līdz nepazīšanai. Visus šos gadus viņam bija liegta saziņa ar tuviniekiem, un 2023. gadā Svetlana Cihanouska pat esot saņēmusi ziņas par vīra nāvi, kas gan, kā redzams, izrādījušās nepatiesas. Preses konferencē atbrīvotais stāstīja, ka viņam bijusi liegta ne vien sarakste un pieeja medijiem, bet arī elementāri higiēnas līdzekļi kā ziepes un zobu birste. Prezidentam Trampam, pauda Cihanouskis, esot vara un iespējas ar vienu vārdu panākt visu baltkrievu politieslodzīto atbrīvošanu, un viņš lūdzot Trampu teikt šo vārdu. Pēc Baltkrievijas opozīcijas ziņām režīma cietumos atrodas vēl apmēram 1150 politieslodzīto. Par šo četrpadsmit atbrīvošanu diktators Lukašenka neesot saņēmis pretī neko vairāk kā pašu sūtņa Kelloga vizītes faktu diplomātiski no Rietumiem praktiski izolētajā Minskā. Kā spriež BBC Austrumeiropas un Dienvideiropas korespondente Sarā Reinsforde, diktators esot izsvēris, ka iespējamie ieguvumi no prominentā politieslodzītā atbrīvošanas esot nozīmīgāki par iespējamajiem riskiem. Sagatavoja Eduards Liniņš.

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Trăim într-o perioadă în care antreprenorii au acces la mai multe informații, instrumente și comunități ca niciodată. Și totuși, paradoxal, mulți dintre ei simt că nu mai au claritate. Nu mai au ritm. Și deși știu ce au de făcut… nu reușesc să o facă.Astăzi stau de vorbă cu Liviu Păsat – antreprenor, coach și fondatorul comunității „Zi de Zi”. Vorbim despre cum se rupe legătura dintre intenție și acțiune, despre energie emoțională, despre cum ne alegem prioritățile într-o lume care cere tot mai mult.Nu e un episod despre rețete, ci despre întrebări. Despre blocaje reale. Și despre ce putem face atunci când „merge treaba”, dar noi nu ne mai simțim bine în mijlocul ei.

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PLANUL PENTRU 2025 - CRISTIAN ONETIU #IGDLCC[00:00:00] George Buhnici: Elon Musk. Eu zic Elon Musk, tu spui?[00:00:02] Cristian Onetiu: Da eu zic Peter Thiel. Există cineva [00:00:05]mai șmecher decât Elon Musk acolo? Peter Thiel, clar. De ce? a fost? Păi întotdeauna a fost și [00:00:10] angajatorul lui principal și finanțatorul lui principal. Cum? După ce am trăit suficient de mulți ani în pace, ne [00:00:15]imaginăm că dacă vine un lider mesianic ăla nu va fi dictator.[00:00:18] Așa au zis și în [00:00:20] 40-i când au venit Partidul Muncitoresc și care a zis că le dă pământ oamenilor și [00:00:25] le-a dat pământ după care le-a luat. America tinde să aibă un comportament la [00:00:30] fel ca al rușilor și ca al chinezilor, adică semnează acte dar nu se tinde ele. Și atunci ne [00:00:35]decidem dacă e imigrant sau nu în America sau în Rusia?[00:00:37] Și atunci, acum când vedem că toți dau în [00:00:40] Europa... Cred că fiecare român trebuie să-și ia o decizie identitară. Sunt european sau [00:00:45] sunt rus sau sunt ce-o fi. Te îngrozești să mai ieși și spui, haideți la vot. [00:00:50] Că nu știi cine vine. De fapt tu nu știi ce-i acolo.[00:00:53] George Buhnici: Ăștia care se uită la noi trebuie să meargă la [00:00:55] vot.[00:00:55] Cristian Onetiu: Da, ăștia da. Dacă acest maga, dacă [00:01:00]suveranismul american reușește, crezi că următorul parlament de la noi va fi suveranist? [00:01:05] Dacă o face grozavă da. Dar mă îndoiesc că pot să o facă.[00:01:08] George Buhnici: Martie 2025, Cristian [00:01:10] Nețiu a spus așa că Trump nu o să reușească.[00:01:12] Cristian Onetiu: Singurul lucru pe care văd să-l reușească este să [00:01:15] facă o dinastie din familia lui.[00:01:17] George Buhnici: Nu m-ai deprimat niciodată așa de mult [00:01:20]astăzi. Jur.[00:01:21] Cristian Onetiu: Da, dar nu avem istoric baza discuției. [00:01:25][00:01:25] George Buhnici: Salutare tuturor și bine v-am regăsit la ICDLCC, informații gratis despre lucruri care costă, cu Cristian [00:01:30] Nețiu, cu care nu ne-am văzut nici la sfârșitul lui 2024, nici la începutul lui 2025, dintr-un motiv foarte [00:01:35] simplu.[00:01:36] E atât de multă incertitudine încât mi-a fost teamă să [00:01:40] mă duc la oracol și să frec globul de cristal pentru că nu știu ce ai fi putut să-mi spui [00:01:45] până acum, sincer. Pare că suntem așa într-un hiatus, suntem cumva în [00:01:50] purgatoriu. Așteptăm să vină sfârșitul luna mai să scăpăm o dată de politică și să ne reapucăm poate de [00:01:55] treabă.[00:01:55] Așa că ne revedem astăzi să vedem ce facem cu banii în 2025, dacă [00:02:00] ne luăm un job, dacă ne mai facem business sau nu, pentru că din câte aud, românii sunt [00:02:05] atât de neîncrezători încât nu-și mai au casă, stau în chirii, țin de job-urile pe care le-au, [00:02:10] concedierii se fac, dar se fac pe șustache, nu prea se vorbește.[00:02:13] Către America nu prea [00:02:15] mai poți să fugi că ne amenință ăștia de la ambasadă că să nu te duci pe nașpa. Avea mai multe [00:02:20]provocări Mai multe provocări decât oportunități În 2025? Sau vezi [00:02:25]ceva care chiar merită să te arunci și să te [00:02:30] duci, gata, mă duc și fac bani acum?[00:02:32] Cristian Onetiu: Am venit pregătit, am pregătit vreo 10 [00:02:35]tipuri de modele de business pe care poți să le faci exact în [00:02:40] situațiile astea foarte tricky, așa cum le [00:02:45] descriai tu.[00:02:47] Dar ca să începem așa pe [00:02:50] ce ai spus tu mai devreme, cuvântul ăsta așteptăm. Este cel mai [00:02:55] rău în perioada asta. Toată lumea așteaptă. Nu toată lumea [00:03:00] Tu ai stat de pămană o să ne povestești ce ai făcut. Să împărțim pe leere populația, că [00:03:05] nici America nu este America lui Trump, nici România nu este România lui [00:03:10] Iohannis, așa cum și audiența ta este o audiență [00:03:15] dintr-o categorie care are niște particularități.[00:03:18] Și cred că ei au [00:03:20] puterea și să miște, au și puterea de a vedea oportunități, au și puterea de a [00:03:25] își găsi informațiile corecte pentru a găsi mai aproape a fi mai [00:03:30] aproape de adevăr. Și cred că ei sunt și schimbarea. [00:03:35] Pentru că dacă vorbim despre marea masă a României, atunci n-ar rău să discutăm [00:03:40] despre nimic rațional sau oportunistic în [00:03:45] sensul bun.[00:03:46] Însă noi suntem aici să vorbim unei Categorii [00:03:50] de oameni ușor diferiți și nu zic asta cu[00:03:53] superioritate, ci[00:03:54] [00:03:55] cu segmentare. Se[00:03:57] George Buhnici: vede în analitice, oricât de mult mi-ar plăcea mie să [00:04:00] fiu urmărit de mai mulți oameni, genul de discuții pe care le avem aici și genul de [00:04:05] invitați selectează. Da. Și atunci oamenii care vor un pic de divertisment sunt în altă parte.[00:04:09] [00:04:10] Clar. Și sunt mult mai mulți. Și sunt mult mai mulți. Deci vorbim un pic de [00:04:15] oportunitate, suntem un pic oportuniști încercăm să facem mai mult decât să stăm să săpice, [00:04:20] parămălăiață sau să mergem nu știu, la opt ore. Adică chiar dacă ești într-un job [00:04:25] de opt ore, sunt convins că oamenii care se uită caută și altceva pe lângă mai au o idee, se [00:04:30] mai uită și la alte lucruri.[00:04:31] Asta e un cuvânt bun. A căuta față[00:04:33] Cristian Onetiu: de a aștepta, deja e o mare diferență. [00:04:35]Dacă oamenii încep să caute, știi că e și vorba aia istorică. Caută [00:04:40] și vei găsi, bate și ți se va deschide. Primul lucru pe care trebuie să-l faci pe Google, [00:04:45] primul lucru pe care trebuie să-l faci pe un CGPT, trebuie să cauți.[00:04:49] Diferența [00:04:50] între oamenii care caută și oamenii care așteaptă să-i se livreze o informație de-a gata [00:04:55] și pe care să o înghită și pe care să o accelereze în ei și să o sedimenteze și apoi [00:05:00] să mai intre și în algoritmul social media în care se spună a, s-a uitat tot [00:05:05] 15 secunde în loc de 3, deci îi place treaba asta, să-i dă mai mult, să înghită mai mult.[00:05:10][00:05:10] Asta e o diferență foarte mare între oamenii. Adică cei care așteaptă sunt unii. [00:05:15] Mai e o categorie mai joasă decât cei care așteaptă. E categoria care [00:05:20] nu doar așteaptă să vadă ce se întâmplă, ci așteaptă salvatorul. Și [00:05:25] America, cu MAGA și Trump a speculat chestia asta, se vede și în [00:05:30] Europa, se vede peste tot.[00:05:31] Rusia, China, practică deja modelul ăsta [00:05:35] Emiratele Arabe la fel au un model în care stăpânirea unui individ pentru [00:05:40] că ce se întâmplă acum este trecerea la încrederea sau așteptarea [00:05:45] unui sistem mesianic care să rezolve lucrurile cum era democrația către un [00:05:50]individ mesianic care să rezolve. Și toată atenția și toată puterea și [00:05:55]tot leverage-ul politic și Și puterea executivă să se ducă la un singur om, [00:06:00] care el este exponentul salvării acelui neam.[00:06:04] Asta e [00:06:05] marea problemă pe care îi paște și pe americanii.[00:06:07] George Buhnici: Este deja susținută [00:06:10] ideea de care spui tu, de studii care arată că mai ales noua generație își [00:06:15] dorește un astfel de lider mesianic și deja inclusiv Marea Britanie [00:06:20] tinerii spuneau că ei ar fi de acord să preia puterea cineva cu o autoritate eventual militară [00:06:25]și să facă ordine.[00:06:26] Adică după ce am trăit suficient de mulți ani în pace [00:06:30] ne imaginăm că dacă vine un lider mesianic ăla nu va fi dictator, ăla nu va face [00:06:35] așa Așa au zis și în[00:06:36] Cristian Onetiu: 40 când au venit Partidul Muncitoresc și care a [00:06:40] zis că le dă pământ oamenilor și le-a dat pământ după care le-a luat. Deci n-a fost decât câțiva [00:06:45] ani de zile în care s-au ținut de promisiune după care au schimbat tot, au luat înapoi tot și s-a transformat în [00:06:50] ceea ce știm 40 ceva de ani de comunism.[00:06:52] Nu există nicio [00:06:55] referință în istorie în care cineva care a acumulat toată puterea s-o fi gestionat [00:07:00] în favoarea oamenilor sau fără să... Cineva care n-a schimbat [00:07:05] regulile jocului fundamental după aceea și n-a oprimat populația Uite acum la[00:07:09] George Buhnici: Erdogan [00:07:10] zilele astea. Și-a arestat principalul oponent și vrea să schimbe din nou [00:07:15] legea ca să poate să mai candideze încă un mandat Săptâna trecută a fost o [00:07:20] știre pe exemplu că liderul curzilor din închisoare l-a spus curzilor să lase armele, că s-au [00:07:25] înțeles, s-a înțeles cu Erdogan ca să-l poată să aibă destule voturi ca să-și poată extinde mandatul și ăla.[00:07:30][00:07:30] L-ai pe Victor Orban lângă noi. Am fost zilele trecute în [00:07:35]nordul și nord-vestul Transilvaniei Bihor, [00:07:40] Satu Mare, Baia Mare, toți oamenii aia spun, zice, băi, la noi e bine. Când treci în Ungaria, ai [00:07:45]impresia că te-ai întors deja 10, 15 20 de ani. Băi ăsta-i mandatul lui Orban. [00:07:50] Și la fel în toate țările în care ai lideri în ăștia lider maxim.[00:07:54] [00:07:55] Întrebarea este, ce se întâmplă cu America? De ce fac americanii chestia asta? Ce crezi că o fac? Pentru că [00:08:00] oricine[00:08:00] Cristian Onetiu: vrea să fie liderul maxim. Iar după cum ne uităm la America acum, [00:08:05] care, again, nu este America lui Trump, este America câștigată de MAGA, care și [00:08:10] are probleme în interior, că n-a fost doar Trump acolo a fost MAGA, ăștia lucrează de 8 ani de zile pe [00:08:15]ideologia asta.[00:08:17] Mai sunt și... Liderii [00:08:20] companiilor mari de tehnologie care au venit și ei pe final și au zis veniți și noi cu [00:08:25] modul nostru de a conduce tehnologic. Mai era și [00:08:30] Trump care vrea să fie în față și să-și ia revanșa pentru ceilalți. Este și un mix. Ei au câștigat împreună fără [00:08:35]să aibă aceeași doctrină însă având aceleași interese.[00:08:38] Miliardari[00:08:39] George Buhnici: cu[00:08:39] Cristian Onetiu: [00:08:40] rednecks. N-ai mai văzut vreodată așa? Ce înseamnă asta? Și ei recunosc că este un [00:08:45] amestec total heterogen. Pentru că au avut aceeași miză. Și oamenii [00:08:50] sau prădătorii se adună pentru miză, dar după aceea se și ceartă între ei. Eu mă aștept să [00:08:55] fie destul de dură despărțirea dintre aceste trei categorii mari, care [00:09:00] unii sunt ideologi MAGA Originals, Trump care este [00:09:05] doar power-oriented și marile companii tehnologice care [00:09:10] au cu tot o altă perspectivă și care [00:09:15] prin Peter Thiel și prin Elon Musk și ceilalți vor să imprime o altă direcție.[00:09:19] Deci oricum [00:09:20] n-au o viziune comună dar au avut un obiectiv comun, să câștige puterea. Exact. S-a [00:09:25] întâmplat chestia asta, dar încă o dată asta nu e America toată. Este o parte [00:09:30] care a fost trasă de aceste trei diferite zone de [00:09:35] influență care au dus la rezultatul ăsta.[00:09:40][00:09:41] Se înțeleg între ei și urmașii lui Trump transformă America [00:09:45] într-o dinastie de 100 de ani, așa [00:09:50] cum încep să vorbească de pace și prosperitate, adică stați liniștiți la pământ că [00:09:55] noi conducem, înseamnă că liderul lumii libere [00:10:00] a murit Pentru că noi până acum ne uităm la America întotdeauna ca [00:10:05] liderul lumii libere.[00:10:06] Și înseamnă că Europa rămâne ultima zonă [00:10:10] discutabilă greoaie, ultra-reglementată [00:10:15] coruptă în anumite zone, care încă mai păstrează principiile democrației liberale. [00:10:20] Și cred că asta este miza noastră între această [00:10:25] politică globală dar multipolară de putere. [00:10:30] Adică China vede dintr-o perspectivă, Rusia vede dintr-o perspectivă.[00:10:33] Ăștia au [00:10:35] povestea lor. Putin o spune de mult, de 10 ani.[00:10:40] [00:10:45][00:10:49] Ne [00:10:50] orientăm către țara noastră să o conducem ca lumea și apoi să devenim liderii [00:10:55] globali, tehnologici și militari ca să putem să redevenim prin forță liderul [00:11:00] planetei. Chinezii mai spun din când în când niște lucruri, dar aici văd de treaba lor liniștit și [00:11:05] între timp cresc economic și financiar de rup și nu poți să-i ignori.[00:11:09] [00:11:10] Deci Iranul începe și el să găsească loc și oportunități și [00:11:15] Europa va fi hărțuită de toți, pentru că atunci când rămâi ultimul [00:11:20] standard al unei democrații fragile, toți vor da în tine. Mai [00:11:25]ales că au interes, adică Europa mai are încă multe colonii, adică mai au ce fura de [00:11:30] acolo. Fiecare din ăștia patru pe care i-am zis așteaptă de mult să mai ia niște [00:11:35] teritorii pe care ele aveau acolo și încă țin de un stat european.[00:11:38] Deci au Și [00:11:40] apropo cum am început? E ca la o crimă, știi Care e motivul Dar găsești motivul, [00:11:45] te apropii mai mult de adevăr. Și motivul e? Motivul este că fiecare vrea să devină o [00:11:50] super putere în felul ei Și Europa este o [00:11:55] doamnă bătrână obosită pe care[00:11:57] George Buhnici: toți... Bă, da, e, dar chiar e Europa [00:12:00]pentru că se leagă de discuția de la care am început, că nu ne-am dus aici.[00:12:04] Hai nu [00:12:05] anțăm bătrânii. Zicem că și noi suntem pasivi da? Da. Și România este Europa. Ne place sau nu să [00:12:10] acceptăm suntem de acum și noi de acolo. Și atunci e clar că jucăm și noi în filmul ăsta [00:12:15] în care părăm lenți pasivi prea puțin proactivi. Bă, dar stai [00:12:20] să-ți[00:12:20] Cristian Onetiu: spun că dacă reinterpretăm puțin treaba asta asta, o să ne dăm seama că a fi o doamnă [00:12:25] bătrână cu multă istorie și cu multe cicatrici astăzi reprezintă un mare [00:12:30] beneficiu.[00:12:31] Pentru că noi avem o mare imunitate la o grămadă de lucruri. Americanii n-au avut [00:12:35] război americanii n-au avut comunism, n-au avut titratură Noi avem o [00:12:40] mare imunitate în tot procesul ăsta, pentru că noi am fost acolo de curând Noi înseamnă asta. Noi știm. Ăia nu [00:12:45]știu. Generațiile lor nu se așteaptă Nici măcar nu poate să-și [00:12:50]imagineze ce poate să însemne un dictator.[00:12:52] Ei nu știu așa ceva, ei au învățat în niște [00:12:55] cărți, au citit, dar nu a fost niciodată despre ei. departe se întâmplă în alte țări, în alte [00:13:00]părți pe planetă. Niciodată niciodată. ce Nu la noi. Deci noi avem imunitate. Faptul că e o [00:13:05] doamnă bătrână e în sensul bun, pentru că bătrân înseamnă [00:13:10] și înțelept. Înseamnă că nu te prostesc unii atât de repede și faptul că avem atât multe [00:13:15] culori, țările astea care au specificul lor e și mai multă [00:13:20] imunitate Adică avem anticorpi [00:13:25] naționali specifici la anumite vrăjeli, pe care dacă le simțim în [00:13:30] Franța, noi le semnalăm din România.[00:13:31] Când alții le găsesc în România, le semnalază de [00:13:35] acolo. Avem o multitudine de anticorpi. Așa că o doamnă [00:13:40] bătrână și birocratică în această etapă n-am crezut că o spun [00:13:45] vreodată acum 10 ani de zile nu credeam, nici acum 5 ani de zile nu credeam că o să spun, că [00:13:50] prefer o doamnă înțeleaptă sau un domn înțelept cu anticorpi și cu [00:13:55] înțelepciune și cu istorie care să poată să ia decizii liniștite fără să fie [00:14:00] abrupte.[00:14:00] Aș fi crezut întotdeauna că a fi abrupt și a [00:14:05] schimba totul peste noapte Este singura soluție Când mă uit acum [00:14:10] către ce duce o schimbare abruptă, foarte mult mi-am nuanțat [00:14:15] perspectiva în ultima[00:14:16] George Buhnici: perioadă. Deci dacă am învățat ceva în ultimii ani, asta e. Apropo de [00:14:20] varietate. Am fost anul trecut prin Germania și știi că așa, stai pădurile într-o veselie.[00:14:25][00:14:25] Știi de ce nu? Că au insecte asta, au gândac care le intră pe [00:14:30] sub scoarță, intră în trunchi și începe să hrănească din seva [00:14:35] copacului. Și până ajunse să-ți seama e prea târziu și nu există tratament. [00:14:40] Și și-au dat seama de o chestie nemții că de fapt nu-i de vină gândacul, ci ei au fost de vină, [00:14:45] pentru că au plantat păduri numai de brad, fără să facă suficiente varietate.[00:14:50][00:14:50] Cristian Onetiu: Asta e frumusețea Europei diversitatea asta și [00:14:55] faptul că dacă începem să comunicăm și dacă începem să lucrăm ca o Europa și cred că asta e cea mai mare [00:15:00] oportunitate de până acum ca Europa să opereze ca Europa.[00:15:03] George Buhnici: Cea[00:15:03] Cristian Onetiu: mai mare de până acum. Dar [00:15:05] ce[00:15:05] George Buhnici: ar putea să fie Europa asta? Că noi ne agățăm de ideea asta de democrație, [00:15:10] dar știm că fără capitalism nu suntem un jucător suficient,[00:15:14] Cristian Onetiu: [00:15:15] suficient de competitiv.[00:15:16] Da, suntem încă cei mai sărași de la masă. [00:15:20] Deci e clar că avem de adăugat valoare în România ca să putem să ne creștem [00:15:25]puterea valoarea adăugată în Europa, contribuția pe care o aducem dar faptul [00:15:30] că noi putem învăța de lângă ei și putem să stăm la masă cu ei, să [00:15:35] ne spunem tot mai tare opinia, să ne șeruim aceștia [00:15:40]anticorpii ai noștri sau această înțelepciune și inteligență locală care s-ar putea să aibă [00:15:45] valoare și pentru ei, ăsta e deja un prim mare pas.[00:15:50][00:15:50] Suntem acolo și cred că ne agățăm de democrația [00:15:55] liberală pentru că știm cum a fost în istoria recentă altfel. [00:16:00] N-avem altă variantă adică orice am încercat, nu știm o altă variantă mai [00:16:05]meritocratică decât asta, că și meritocrația asta e foarte debatable. [00:16:10]Deci n-avem altă variantă decât să stăm împreună.[00:16:13] Și acum când vedem că [00:16:15] toți dau în Europa, cred că fiecare român trebuie să-și ia o decizie identitară. Sunt [00:16:20] european sau sunt rus sau sunt ce-o fi. Trebuie să iau o decizie la nivel mai [00:16:25] mare decât sunt din regiunea Banat, Muntenea sau nu știu care, sunt [00:16:30] în țara asta. În ce regiune mai mare joci? Pentru că singur nu mai poți să faci față.[00:16:35][00:16:35] Singur te păcălești toți. Trag de tine toți. [00:16:40][00:16:40] George Buhnici: Și atunci ne decidem dacă emigrăm sau nu în America sau în Rusia? În Dubai? Păi [00:16:45] te-ai renunțat la Dubai, nu? Da, am avut 3 ani de zile planificați am stat 2 ani și 8 [00:16:50] luni. Deci după aproape 3 ani de Dubai te-ai întors aici, nu [00:16:55] te-ai uitat nici spre America, deși este pentru business teoretic cel mai bun loc de pe planetă nu?[00:16:59] Cristian Onetiu: [00:17:00] Da.[00:17:01] George Buhnici: Și totuși e[00:17:01] Cristian Onetiu: aici. Pentru că acolo nu am certitudinea [00:17:05]siguranței personale și a familiei. Mi-e destul de... [00:17:10] Am fost de patru ori în America. De fiecare dată am trăit lucruri pe care nu le-am trăit niciunde [00:17:15] în lume. Apropo de violență, apropo de... [00:17:20] apropo de puterea organelor de ordine atât de brutale. [00:17:25] Mi-e greu să trăiesc acolo.[00:17:28] La fel cum mi greu să [00:17:30] trăiesc și într-o țară te-a grăsat poliția? Dar într-o formă de asta în care n-a [00:17:35] ajuns să mă pună culcat pe jos. Dar mi s-a tăiat orice [00:17:40] formă de când am intrat în țară când treci acolo și când îți dai seama că ai [00:17:45] călcat o linie și ăla vine și urlă la tine la 30 centimetri și [00:17:50] după aceea te împinge într-o zonă și după aceea te pune să ții [00:17:55] mâinile la spate că ești periculos că ai călcat pe o pe o dungă [00:18:00] galbenă și când ieși afară din parcare și când te duci cu mașina și [00:18:05] te oprește primul polițist cu un ton de parcă ai omorât pe cineva [00:18:10] fără să ai făcut nimic și fără să înțelegi care sunt drepturile și cum să gestionezi [00:18:15] relația respectivă e o altă lume, pentru noi europenii e o altă lume, cel puțin pentru [00:18:20] mine sigur că are și o grămadă de lucruri foarte mișto, dar vezi peste tot trebuie să-ți alegi pachetul, [00:18:25] apropo de pachet dacă te hotărăști să fii european trebuie să iei pachetul ăsta [00:18:30] Da, avem niște reglementări care sunt idiote, care ar trebui să le schimbăm, ar trebui să [00:18:35] revizităm anumite lucruri care opresc inovația, dar ar trebui să avem și noi [00:18:40] puterea noastră militară pentru că este ciudat.[00:18:42] Noi suntem 550 de [00:18:45] milioane de oameni care urlăm la 300 de milioane de oameni să ne apere de 150 [00:18:50] de milioane care nu pot să-i bată pe 30 de milioane sau 50 de milioane cât să-ți spune Acum le-ai prea frazat pe [00:18:55] Donald Tusk care a zis foarte bine. Așa e. Da, așa e. Așa e. Acum mai e [00:19:00] totuși o nuanță în toată chestia asta.[00:19:02] Când noi [00:19:05] ne ducem la ăștia pentru că au puterea militară nucleară pentru că ne-au prostit să nu o facem pe noastră [00:19:10] ca să ne apere de ăștia din dreapta care au un milion jumate de militari [00:19:15] și care nu se bat cu 50 de milioane ci se bat cu toată restul lumii care [00:19:20] le-au dat toate armele. Deci în toată discuția asta aveți aceeași [00:19:25] știre, aceeași poveste spusă din două perspective, o dată frumos, cealaltă pe [00:19:30] cifre.[00:19:30] Când unul are 70% din puterea nucleară și celălalt are un [00:19:35]milion jumate de infanterici de militari, păi nu-i de joacă. [00:19:40] Și noi nu avem nimic în toate chestiile astea. Avem un pic prin Franța, avem un pic prin... [00:19:45] Nu ai[00:19:45] George Buhnici: senzația asta că ne luptăm cu barbarii? [00:19:50]Pentru că noi în Europa am cam depășit faza asta cu războaie la graniță.[00:19:53] Da. [00:19:55] Adică nu ne mai împărțim. Am înțeles o chestie În Europa, noi am înțeles, toate [00:20:00] țările ca să intre în Europeană, au tratate în alea de bună vecinătate, nu mai am niciun fel de pretenții [00:20:05]teritoriale asupra nimănui. Da, da, noi încă mai credem în tratate. Asta a[00:20:07] Cristian Onetiu: fost problema mea Păi da[00:20:08] George Buhnici: în Europa[00:20:09] Cristian Onetiu: nu avem [00:20:10] războaie la graniță.[00:20:11] Problema mea în Emirate, ca să-ți doar așa o mică paranteză, a fost că eu am [00:20:15] crezut că sunt regulă din Europa. Am discutat cu [00:20:20]fonduri de investiții care au semnat binding term sheets pentru [00:20:25]investiții care s-au răzgândit fără niciun fel de motiv și fără să aibă niciun fel de [00:20:30] responsabilitate. Și noi am zis...[00:20:31] Așa ceva nu se poate, nu e normal, adică [00:20:35] voi ziceți că operați după regulile vestice, dar voi de fapt aveți regulile voastre pe care și nici [00:20:40] măcar nu dați nicio explicație, pur și simplu nu aveți chef. Sau mai rău ați intrat în business [00:20:45] și acum nu vreți să ieșiți dar n-ați pus contribuția voastră și când vine capital call-ul [00:20:50] voi ziceți că mai ne mai gândim.[00:20:51] Dar nu ieșiți din companie și începeți să cereți [00:20:55] beneficiile pe care compania asta le-ar avea. Deci America [00:21:00] tinde să aibă un comportament la fel ca al rușilor și ca al chinezilor, adică [00:21:05] semnează acte dar nu se ținde ele. Aduți aminte ce ușor a semnat Putin cu [00:21:10]Obama. Nu mai facem stai că nu mai... S-a dus și a intrat în...[00:21:14] a încălcat. [00:21:15] America a semnat cu anumite zone, se retrage. China a semnat o grămadă de [00:21:20] documente De ce înseamnă poluare, nu s-a ținut de ele. Marile puteri [00:21:25] nu joacă după bunul simț democratic, vestic, al Europei. Și [00:21:30] noi trebuie să ne revenim din ideea asta că ei joacă după reguli.[00:21:33] George Buhnici: Ei nu joacă după [00:21:35] reguli.[00:21:35] Revenim la IGDLCC în dată ce-ți spun despre sponsorul nostru, Darkom Energy, [00:21:40] cei care ne garantează că nu ni se sting luminile din studio. Adică nu avem [00:21:45] niciodată pene de curent. Panourile fotovoltaice, invertoarele și bateriile sunt [00:21:50] inima sistemului nostru energetic și cred cu tărie că sunt investiții importante, dar [00:21:55] și rentabile.[00:21:56] Cu acest sistem am economisit deja mii de euro la facturi, dar [00:22:00] și mai important avem electricitatea garantată fără fluctuații care ne pot defecta [00:22:05] electricele și electronicele. Dacă ai în plan să construiești, să renovezi [00:22:10] orice fel de clădire, inclusiv industrială alege o soluție solidă de [00:22:15] generare și stocare de energie Noi colaborăm cu echipa Adarcom Energy și îi [00:22:20] recomandăm.[00:22:20] I-am auzit pe europeni siderați, șocați, că după ce au lansat comenzi de [00:22:25] F-35, au aflat că... Dar a zis-o cu gura lui Trump zilele trecute. Zice, o să le vindem [00:22:30] aliaților noștri niște arme toned down, că poate mai încolo le vine [00:22:35] o idee să ne atace cu ele.[00:22:37] Cristian Onetiu: Păi[00:22:37] George Buhnici: gândește[00:22:38] Cristian Onetiu: că noi nu avem acces la [00:22:40] Nvidia, la procesoare.[00:22:41] Adică prea avem acces. Adică [00:22:45] cantitatea pe care el a comandat-o și a zis mie să-mi dai primul că eu vreau să fiu cea mai mare putere [00:22:50] de procesare de date și AIU-ul meu vreau să domine tot și vreau să fiu cel [00:22:55] mai bun în tehnologie. Noi nu prea mai avem acces la [00:23:00] procesatoare. Hai să zicem că găsim putere de procesare, dar nici acolo nu suntem foarte bine.[00:23:05][00:23:06] E tot un război și ăsta și e pe față [00:23:10] Și într-un fel să știi că mie îmi place că e pe față acum. Cumva cred că ar trebui să ne [00:23:15]trezim dintr-un vis frumos în care toți ăștia sunt [00:23:20] așa de corecți și de etici și numai noi, europenii eram ăia care nu ne [00:23:25] țineam de treabă și nu țineam. Nu e chiar așa. Ne trezim la realitate și ceea ce până acum părea.[00:23:30][00:23:30] Era implicit, adică nu se putea spune, deodată devine explicit. Uită-te și [00:23:35] la gender equality, apropo de zona asta socială. Era implicit [00:23:40] diferența asta între femei și bărbați. Adică și dacă o spuneai cineva zicea, hai mă că nu-i [00:23:45] chiar așa. Acum când îl vezi pe Conor McGregor la [00:23:50] Trump în birou și pe Andrew Tate favorizat și adus în țară ca [00:23:55] să facă treabă și pe Elon Musk și pe Trump în sine cu [00:24:00] toate lucrurile astea este explicit.[00:24:02] Că ei vor să facă din [00:24:05] nou patriarhat global. Este explicit. Dar asta e foarte bine [00:24:10] pentru că bărbații care până acum li se părea că e o conspirație [00:24:15] altora unii și altora, acum se retrag și ei și zic, bă știi ce, ar trebui să fim mai moderați. [00:24:20] Adică înțelegem că treaba asta e reală. Se vede că [00:24:25] gender gap și gender equality nu e o vrăjeală.[00:24:28] Sunt niște oameni [00:24:30] care o împing cu agenda, o împing cu intenție, ea nu [00:24:35] mai la subteran, a ieșit afară. Și văd din ce în ce mai mulți bărbați [00:24:40] care încep să vorbească despre lucrurile astea, despre cum putem să [00:24:45] devenim sau să contra Să creăm [00:24:50] contexte care femeile și bărbații să lucreze bine împreună pentru că știm că ăsta e viitorul, pentru că știm că [00:24:55] ăsta este singura metodă prin care noi vom crea valoare mai multă.[00:24:58] Unul plus unul va crea [00:25:00] trei.[00:25:01] George Buhnici: În toate țările unde ai femei în poziții de management și de conducere, [00:25:05] crește prosperitatea. Da, uite, sunt doar 15% la nivel de leadership[00:25:09] Cristian Onetiu: [00:25:10] position.[00:25:11] George Buhnici: Iar în[00:25:11] Cristian Onetiu: România, hai să fim serioși. Să știi că în România nu [00:25:15] suntem chiar așa de rău la nivel de antreprenori. Studiile pe care le știu eu la nivel de antreprenoare și antreprenori [00:25:20] suntem pe primul loc la nivel de număr de antreprenoare față de [00:25:25] europeni.[00:25:26] Față de europeni? Da, și au făcut multe firme. [00:25:30] Probabil că sunt și multe firme liberale, poate sunt neapărat companii cu angajați, că nu am statistică atât în [00:25:35] profunzime de câți angajați au, dar nu stăm rău, să [00:25:40] știi, pare că România e în zona de [00:25:45] gender gap undeva pe la mijlocul Europei. Grecia fiind în partea de jos, Germania fiind sub noi, [00:25:50] chiar dacă sunt mult mai educați, adică dacă te uiți pe rapoartele de gender gap și gender equality, [00:25:55] vei vedea că nu stăm chiar așa de rău.[00:25:56] Ar trebui să începem să găsim mai multe lucruri bune pe care le [00:26:00] avem deja. Încep să fie obositoare toate [00:26:05] topurile în care suntem numai praf. Suntem în topuri și în zona bună. Și dacă [00:26:10] nu putem fi, putem alege să fim într-o anumită zonă și să nu mai vedem numai partea [00:26:15] negativă. Suntem ultimii pe treaba aia Ok, hai să stabilim dacă e o prioritate cu toții și să ne [00:26:20] apucăm de ea.[00:26:20] Pentru că dacă tot așteptăm ca alții să ne-o facă, nu o să ne-o facă. [00:26:25] Noi am avut noroc până acum în democrația noastră de lideri hoți și proști. [00:26:30] Dar n-am avut norocul nostru că n-am avut și un megaloman. [00:26:35] Au încercat.[00:26:35] George Buhnici: Păi am avut un Dragnea. Am avut un Ponta. [00:26:40] Băsescu s-a retras democratic. Iohannis a fost aruncat sub autobuz.[00:26:45][00:26:45] S-a aruncat singur în avion și după ce[00:26:48] Cristian Onetiu: ani nu l-am mai văzut. 23 [00:26:50] de milioane? 25 de milioane de dolari? Până pe avioane? Ne luam niște avioane bune. [00:26:55] Deci într-un fel... Tot ce spunem acum că e rău, putea fi mult mai rău. Și știu că [00:27:00] nu e o variantă bună să spunem că, băi ăsta, să ne mulțumim că [00:27:05] se putea mai rău, știu.[00:27:06] Băi imaginează[00:27:06] George Buhnici: 20 de ani cu Iliescu sau cu Băse [00:27:10] sau cu Constantinescu sau cu oricare. Băi, e bine. Există o teorie a lui Taleb care [00:27:15] spune că pur și simplu simplul fapt că poți să schimbi îți aduce mai bine. Da. [00:27:20] Opționalitatea, faptul că poți să alegi simplul fapt că poți să alegi nu contează că alegi [00:27:25] întotdeauna vei alege răul cel mai mic și când alegi răul cel mai mic, măcar ai ce să alegi Da.[00:27:29] Nu rămâi [00:27:30] înțepenit într-o singură opțiune cu care trebuie să te duci. Sunt [00:27:35] foarte multe țări pe planetă, prea multe deja, care nu au văzut alți lideri. [00:27:40] Da. Bine și la noi sunt două opțiuni.[00:27:44] Cristian Onetiu: Și [00:27:45] când ai trei opțiuni trebuie să ai un pic de critical thinking, [00:27:50] să știi, să gândești. Și când te uiți în zona de [00:27:55] alegeri și vezi că prezența mai mare la vot de fapt nu aduce oamenii [00:28:00] liniștiți educați, care știai că te gândeai că stau acasă liniștiți și nu votează, ci aduc [00:28:05] alte pături sociale, te îngrozești să mai și spui haideți la vot.[00:28:09] [00:28:10] Că nu știi cine vine, de fapt tu nu știi ce-i acolo. Ăștia care se[00:28:13] George Buhnici: uită la noi trebuie să meargă la vot. Da, [00:28:15]ăștia da. Și ceilalți trebuie ajutat să înțeleagă să facă diferența.[00:28:19] Cristian Onetiu: Da. [00:28:20][00:28:20] George Buhnici: Da, pentru că fiecare trebuie la votul lui și votul meu e egal cu votul lui Nea Vasile.[00:28:24] Cristian Onetiu: Da. [00:28:25][00:28:25] George Buhnici: Asta e democrația până[00:28:25] Cristian Onetiu: la urmă. Eu m-am implicat în ultimele săptămâni luni [00:28:30] să construiesc un gimmick, un deck.[00:28:33] Curiozitate prin care [00:28:35] să-i ajut pe oameni să gândească critic, să aibă mai multe perspective [00:28:40] deodată. E o platformă în care sunt puse știri [00:28:45] crude, cât crude se poate ca să nu intrăm în subiectul ăsta, adică nu la [00:28:50] mâna a treia, a patra, interpretate deja cu un ton ovoi, ci mai aproape de [00:28:55] sursele de știri simple.[00:28:57] S-a întâmplat asta, asta s-a întâlnit cu ăla, asta s-a întâlnit, [00:29:00]asta s-a întâmplat Cum îi zice? Cetățean.ro încă nu e, urmează să fie, [00:29:05]dar îți arăt cum funcționează, adică iei o știre de acolo care e crudă, de la Reuters, de la [00:29:10] Jetpress, din zone care, să zicem că sunt mai mult știri, știu, toate au bias-ul [00:29:15] lor, știu, toate au, dar te duci un pic mai aproape de unele mai curate mai clean.[00:29:19] [00:29:20] Ok. Să-ți gândești tu pe ce se întâmplă pe fapte. [00:29:25] Și poți să-ți setezi niște profile. De comentatori [00:29:30] care preiau prin AI tone-of-voice-ul unor comentatori cunoscuți și [00:29:35] care sunt unii mai progresiști, unii mai conservatori, unii mai moderați, unii mai activiști, unii mai [00:29:40] pasivi social și așa mai departe. Îi vezi pe o matrice de nouă [00:29:45] pătrățele și începi să faci pe aceeași tire interpretări diferite de la [00:29:50] unul mai progresist unul mai conservator, unul mai naționalist, unul mai așași pentru că îi [00:29:55] identifici și poți să-ți și numești ca nume acolo ca să îi ai ca referință și [00:30:00] AI-ul ia din tone-of-voice-ul lor și din interpretările acelui profil și îți [00:30:05] arată cum poți să vezi în cinci feluri diferite aceeași tire.[00:30:08] Ca să nu mai cazi pradă [00:30:10] algoritmului care dacă te-a uitat cumva la două știri de un anumit fel să creadă că îți place [00:30:15] și să te ține acolo trei săptămâni de să nu mai știi de capul tău să ți se îngusteze lumea.[00:30:19] George Buhnici: [00:30:20] Cum a făcut Nenea la Agigea, să nu știu unde s-a urcat pe pod de dimineață că el vrea [00:30:25] neapărat turul doi înapoi[00:30:26] Cristian Onetiu: Da.[00:30:26] Și[00:30:27] George Buhnici: l-au luat și l-au luat la spital să-l caute un pic și la căpuț, pentru că ăla [00:30:30] probabil a văzut pe TikTok atât de multe chestii despre că trebuie să ieșim în stradă [00:30:35] că el a ratat faptul că s-a închis, gata, dacă vrei să[00:30:38] Cristian Onetiu: protestezi, s-a [00:30:40] dus. Când intri pe platformă, intri pur și simplu și îți faci un profil.[00:30:44] Îți faci un profil [00:30:45] care, uite, arată așa. Deci sunt 9 cadrane în care te încadrezi în funcție de răspunsuri Eu am făcut un test [00:30:50] aici. Păi și îmi faci bulă cu AI cu chestia asta? Nu-ți fac bulă, din potrivă. Eu ți-arăt... Mă scoți [00:30:55] din bulă? Te scoți din bulă. Tu ai o interpretare subiectivă a ta, răspunzi la 12 [00:31:00] întrebări și spui eu sunt cam așa așa mi-arată.[00:31:01] Ok, bun. După care începi să te uiți la [00:31:05] știri și când ai la știri, vezi o știre, da? Și când vezi o știre tu [00:31:10] o interpretezi. Nu știu, e una de astea, da? Și îți [00:31:15] redefinești niște comentatori cu AI. Aici sunt niște nume pe care le-am editat [00:31:20] eu în așa fel încât să-mi fie mai ușor să văd perspectiva lor. Am pus CTP, Cristoiu, [00:31:25] Tolontan, Călin Georgescu, mai sunt câțiva.[00:31:29] Și atunci... [00:31:30] Păi nu, că este în stilul lui. Eu îl editez. Eu nu-l dau [00:31:35] în platformă și atunci tu ți-l pui cum vrei. Dar îți dau niște referințe ca să poți să le înțelegi. Și tu dacă... că [00:31:40] și aici scrie dacă tu dai pe unul de ăsta, spune ăsta nu este el. Este un AI care [00:31:45]interpretează tonul voice-ul și profilul în care l-am încadrat pe acel individ.[00:31:47] O să țară ăștia în capăt să zică că le-ai furat [00:31:50] identitatea. Ai grijă. După care faci o generare Dacă intri gura lui CTP? [00:31:55] Păi nu, că eu mi-am editat Eu acolo sunt blank. Platforma nu-i numește. Tu ți-i editezi cum vrei tu. Tu le-ai dat nume. [00:32:00] Da. Eu îți dau o serie de personaje care seamănă de acolo și tu ți-o îndenumești cum vrei tu.[00:32:04] Am [00:32:05] înțeles. Da? Și asta-i generat de CTP, de Profilul ăsta pe care [00:32:10] l-am numit ăsta. Tu-ți selectezi de aici ce-ți place, zici bă, asta e interesantă. Și ți-o [00:32:15] păstrezi în... ți pui în partea de... Ți-ai salvat-o. [00:32:20] Te mai uiți și la altul, ți-ai salvat-o și după aceea îți pui o perspectivă personală în care [00:32:25] tu spui bă, părerea mea este asta, că așa văd eu lucrurile și îți generează un [00:32:30] răspuns în funcție de cum îl vrei, stil analitic, explicativ, pamfletar, [00:32:35] socratic, narrativ sau chiar și inversui, în care tu îți generezi un articol al [00:32:40] tău.[00:32:40] Îl editezi, îl lucrezi și după aceea ți-l publici Și fiecare articol pe [00:32:45] care îl publici este din nou procesat să-ți arate dacă e în cadranul tău sau tu pe [00:32:50] diferite puncte de vedere ai abordări diferite. Te cunoști mult mai bine când tu crezi despre tine [00:32:55] că ești, nu știu, progresist, moderat civic, dar tu vezi că în toate articolele [00:33:00] pe care tu le publici sau le salvezi, poți să nu le publici de fapt ești în altă parte sau ai [00:33:05]subiecte pe care nu ești deloc așa adică nu seamănă cu ce ești tu în mod [00:33:10] declarat Altfel spus, ești din bulă, ești din algoritm vezi perspective [00:33:15] diferite deodată în același timp și...[00:33:17] Încep să te cunoști mai bine pe tine, să vezi care [00:33:20] sunt subiectele, pentru că în realitate tu n-ai simțit vreodată că pare așa că suntem [00:33:25] schizofrenici, la unele suntem foarte conservatori, la unele suntem foarte progresiști, băi bine să ne vedem [00:33:30] istoric notițele noastre și articolele noastre unde suntem mai progresiști, unde suntem mai [00:33:35]conservatori, unde suntem mai naționaliști înflăcărați, trebuie să [00:33:40]începem să ne cunoaștem pe subiecte Și dacă noi nu începem să ne cunoaștem, nu avem cum să [00:33:45] vorbim altora mai asumat.[00:33:47] Și dacă noi nu începem să vorbim mai asumat, oamenii [00:33:50]care se uită la noi și ne întreabă cum o să fac eu, cu cine votez, [00:33:55] nu o să aibă argumentație. E un ghimic, e un test E un fel de anti-algoritm. [00:34:00] Să vezi unde te potrivești tu în algoritm și să ieși de acolo. Exact. Pe măsura ce tu [00:34:05] îți creezi conținut, tu te cunoști mai bine pe tine.[00:34:07] Nu algoritmul te cunoaște și tu nu știi [00:34:10] că el știe mai multe despre tine. Tu începi să știi mai multe despre tine pe[00:34:13] George Buhnici: subiecte. Acum o întrebare pentru [00:34:15] cei care ne urmăresc să hotărăscă ei dacă au timp chef, disponibilitate să facă așa [00:34:20] ceva. Vreți să faceți așa ceva? Vreți să aflați în ce parte a [00:34:25]bulei sunteți și să ieșiți din bulă?[00:34:26] Eu fac exercițiul ăsta de la începutul [00:34:30] carierei Până că mi-am dat seama făcând școala de jurnalistică [00:34:35] facultatea mi-a dat seama clar că unii o dau așa și unii o dau așa. Și nu există adevăr [00:34:40] obiectiv sute la sute. Există nuanță întotdeauna, orică timpul te limitează. [00:34:45] Cât timp ai să cercetezi, cât timp ai să comunici chestia aia, cât timp ai să procesezi.[00:34:49] Asta am [00:34:50] și făcut de fapt Ce[00:34:50] Cristian Onetiu: înseamnă AI până la urmă? Aici înseamnă pe scurt, înseamnă o [00:34:55] metodă mult mai rapidă de a căuta de mii ori mai multe informații și de [00:35:00] a-ți găsi o soluție la o problemă mult mai repede. Problema asta e AI-ul. Și, de fapt asta și vrem să [00:35:05] facem aici. Să-ți dureze la fel de mult să-ți creezi o proprie opinie, văzând mai multe perspective, [00:35:10] decât să citești o știre biasată de nu știu ce post astăzi de celălalt post astăzi sau după aceea [00:35:15] când te prinde algoritmul de aceleași surori care îți dau aceiași informații.[00:35:18] George Buhnici: Să-ți ia la fel de[00:35:19] Cristian Onetiu: [00:35:20] [00:35:25] [00:35:30] [00:35:35][00:35:40] [00:35:45] puțin timp. Da? [00:35:50] Bă, dacă îl citești pe ăsta, asistăm la un nou episod din telenovela balcanică intitulată nu știu ce, dacă îl pui [00:35:55] pe cel pe care l-am numit Cătălin Tolontan, e cu totul [00:36:00]altfel. Adică profilul ăsta, o să-ți spun imediat profilul ăsta cum e, ăsta [00:36:05] este profil încadrat foarte activ, [00:36:10] moderat folosești un ton sobru, factual, orientat spre detalii [00:36:15] concrete, citează cifre, date, statistici și așa mai departe.[00:36:18] Regruparea extremei drepte în [00:36:20] jurul, nu știu care prin o schimbare semnificativă, fiecare are perspectiva lui, te înveți, eu după ce m-am, [00:36:25] îți seama că testând, mă uit și zic doamne, eu nici măcar nu știam până acum să [00:36:30] pot să-mi dau seama de diferențele de interpretare a unei știri. Cu toate că... [00:36:35] Mă credeam capabil să fac asta.[00:36:37] George Buhnici: Nu eram antrenat. Singurul mod în care [00:36:40]poți să o faci manual, dacă vrei, nu așa cu AI, este să te uiți pe mai [00:36:45]multe canale de televiziune Și să vezi aceeași tire pe 5-6 canale diferite dacă mai [00:36:50] dă cineva aceeași tire Da, dar nu le găsești[00:36:52] Cristian Onetiu: același timp. Nu le vezi sincron. Deci [00:36:55]trebuie să-ți iei câteva ore pe zi ca să faci treaba asta.[00:36:57] Asta făceam[00:36:58] George Buhnici: în începutul anilor 2000. [00:37:00] Da. Că pe vremea aia nu aveam social media și efectiv stăteam și mă uitam [00:37:05] și la chinezi și la Al Jazeera, mă uitam și la BBC și la CNN și după aceea începeam să fac o idee. Așa e. [00:37:10] Dar este un efort și chestia asta până la urmă te poate face [00:37:15] mai greu de manipulat, mai sarcastic.[00:37:18] Nu, nu cred că [00:37:20] ajungi la sarcastic cred că[00:37:20] Cristian Onetiu: sarcastic ești mai... Mai[00:37:22] George Buhnici: sătul,[00:37:23] Cristian Onetiu: te saturi de toată [00:37:25] manipularea. Păi da, dar atunci ești[00:37:26] George Buhnici: devis sătul când nu înțelegi. Când înțelegi Când înțelegi, cred [00:37:30] ajung la un moment dat să ți se ia de toți ăștia. Păi nu da, observi[00:37:32] Cristian Onetiu: Că toată lumea[00:37:32] George Buhnici: minte.[00:37:33] Cristian Onetiu: Păi da, da, devii observator.[00:37:34] Devii [00:37:35] observator. Și asta e drept. Nu mai ești sarcastic nu mai devii sarcastic [00:37:40] victimă ci devii cinic față de lume, [00:37:45]observator. Tu zici, păi așa funcționează lumea când o înțelegi cum funcționează lumea, nu mai te superi, nu mai [00:37:50] ai așteptări de la ea.[00:37:51] George Buhnici: Trebuie să înțelegem lumea că de aia suntem aici.[00:37:53] Cristian Onetiu: Da.[00:37:54] George Buhnici: Și tu ai [00:37:55] capacitatea asta de a evalua, ai și o metodă de care mi-ai povestit de pe stel Aplicăm pe stelul, pe [00:38:00]situația actuală?[00:38:01] Cristian Onetiu: Da, pe scurt așa.[00:38:02] George Buhnici: Poate că ne-am lălăit-o noi un pic, dar cred că [00:38:05] aveți un pic mai mult context în legătură cu felul în care ne raportăm, inclusiv la America și la alte părți [00:38:10] ale lumii în momentul ăsta, dar și la Europa, și înțelegem că are mai multe bune decât [00:38:15] credem, că diversitatea ne face mai rezistenți ca în pădure, că dacă ai diversitate, dacă [00:38:20] bradul ăsta a fost atacat, gândacu' nu are cum să sară motorul brad dacă mai sunt niște [00:38:25] fagi, niște carpeni între ei, știi?[00:38:26] Și atunci dacă în România ai probleme și n-ai probleme în [00:38:30]Germania sau invers, poți să ajungi în cele din urmă ca lucrurile astea să se... Dacă începem să funcționăm ca organism,[00:38:34] Cristian Onetiu: [00:38:35] dacă nu funcționăm ca organism, nu transferăm informațiile ADN de [00:38:40] la unul la altul, nu ducem anticorpii, dar dacă începem să funcționăm ca organism Europa, [00:38:45] Atunci vom face[00:38:46] George Buhnici: acest transfer rapid.[00:38:47] Ani de zile am observat chestia asta, nici o televiziune de [00:38:50]la noi nu avea corespondenți la Bruxelles, nu știu dacă ai observat. Și dintr-o dată un [00:38:55] european și-a dat seama că are o problemă de comunicare și în ultimii doi ani a început să [00:39:00] aibă corespondenți acolo să transmită europarlamentarii să aducă din [00:39:05] țările lor oameni care să vadă cum se întâmplă procesul ăsta pentru că e destul de ușor să te uiți la [00:39:10] distanță Ai mă că ea sunt într-un turn de filde și acolo și fac chestii.[00:39:12] Bă, până la urmă noi am votat, am venit să fac niște chestii.[00:39:14] Cristian Onetiu: [00:39:15] Dar tu uite-te la știri. Câte știri sunt în care se vorbește despre ceva de la Bruxelles, comparativ cu ce s-a [00:39:20]întâmplat în America, în Rusia, în China sau altul de acolo? Zero. Zero, da Nici măcar nu știm [00:39:25] ce rol are Parlamentul Europei. Exact. Noi nu știm.[00:39:28] Noi ne uităm și spunem, ce faceți mă [00:39:30] acolo? Cum ați ajuns să aveți atâta Binecurație, uite ce salarii au! Da, deci nu știm. Nu știm [00:39:35] Nici măcar comparativ cu alte sisteme [00:39:40] centralizate ca așa noastre, ce salarii au aia comparativ Ce roluri au? Cât de [00:39:45] democratic[00:39:45] George Buhnici: funcționează asta față de altele Habar n-avem.[00:39:47] Până la urmă tot la federalizare vom ajunge, dacă vrem să [00:39:50]fim competitivi și trufea sau altul din Europeană trebuie să se comportă ca o federație.[00:39:54] Cristian Onetiu: [00:39:55] Iar antreprenorii și oamenii cu spirit antreprenorial trebuie să înțeleagă lumea repede, pentru că dacă [00:40:00] nu înțeleg, s-ar putea să construiască modele de business [00:40:05] strâmbe, inutile sau să nu înțeleagă [00:40:10] stakeholderii, fie că e vorba de consumatori, e vorba de stat și administrație [00:40:15] publică centralizată sau locală, furnizori.[00:40:18] Deci dacă ai un [00:40:20] business care vinde în toată lumea, trebuie să te gândești bine în noua economie ce să faci Dacă ai furnizori din [00:40:25] America trebuie să te gândești rapid ce să faci și trebuie să înțelegi lumea pentru că tu nu poți să aștepți [00:40:30] doar când îți vine un mail de la furnizorul tău în care spune că îți vinde cu 40% mai scump sau tu [00:40:35] îi vinzi cu 30% mai scump.[00:40:36] Trebuie să anticipezi lucrurile astea. Trebuie să cunoști lumea Și [00:40:40] doi cred că, acum dau spoiler din ce mi-am pregătit [00:40:45] aici, cred că vor fi o grămadă de oameni. Întreprenori de nevoie. [00:40:50] Nu de vocație sau de pasiune sau de viziune. [00:40:55] Antreprenori de nevoie. Pentru că își vor pierde relevanța job-urile lor în pozițiile pe care le au [00:41:00] acum.[00:41:00] Ajungem acolo.[00:41:02] George Buhnici: Câteva întrebări foarte directe și aplicate, ca să fim [00:41:05] și un pic concreți, că mulți oameni o zică vorbiți mult, dar da ține ceva. Bun. Dolari. [00:41:10] Ținem dolari asaltea sau nu? Aș recomanda nu. De ce? [00:41:15] Politic sau...?[00:41:16] Cristian Onetiu: Și, și. Și, și. De [00:41:20] ce dolarul este moneda internațională? Pentru că [00:41:25] stăpânul sau capul lumii libere era american.[00:41:28] Când capul lumii [00:41:30] libere nu mai e american, eu nu știu cine o să fie, ar fi bine să te gândești că nu mai va, [00:41:35] nu, nu, îi va fi greu să păstreze [00:41:40] puterea absolută pe care a avut-o. Plus că avem pe alții care au interese. Uite pe ăștia cu [00:41:45] BRICS-ul, uite pe alții care așteaptă la colți de mult. Adică și ei vor fi loviți de, [00:41:50] așa cum Europa e lovită în democrație și dolarul va fi, așteaptă la cotitură de prea mult timp alții să [00:41:55] vină cu concorența unui currency.[00:41:58] Deci vorbești de[00:41:58] George Buhnici: competiție, da? [00:42:00] Crezi într-un scenariu în care administrația americană va devaloriza dolarul ca să [00:42:05] lăcută la[00:42:05] Cristian Onetiu: export? Da, a început de mulți o să continue să facă treaba asta. Deci și prin [00:42:10] genul ăsta de măsuri, și prin măsurile care de fapt [00:42:15] erodează încrederea în capacitatea Americii de a mai vrea să fie [00:42:20] polițistul lumii și puternicul lumii.[00:42:24] [00:42:25] Ok, deci nu ținem dolari. Aș recomanda să [00:42:30] ne obișnuim cu... Ideea de [00:42:35] Wall Street, de a avea multe forme de asset-uri și [00:42:40] să ne uităm dimineața să vedem care a scăzut, care a crescut. Mai bine să ne obișnuim să [00:42:45] avem 10 currency-uri și 10 tipuri de asset-uri care au o anumită fluctuație [00:42:50] decât să stăm îngrijorați cu toate ouăle puse pe dolar și toată [00:42:55] dimineața să ne uităm, să vedem ce-a făcut ăia.[00:42:58] Dacă vrei să nu fii la mâna [00:43:00] altora, trebuie să ai diversificare. Diversificare înseamnă să ai și euro, [00:43:05] înseamnă să ai și currency-uri internaționale care circulă dar și [00:43:10] currency-uri netradiționale. Adică deja [00:43:15] poți în orice companie să-ți faci conturi de cripto, poți să operezi, adică de ce să nu [00:43:20] ai mai multă mai puțină expunere față de...[00:43:25][00:43:25] Degemonia unui dolar. Deci mai puțin dolar și mai mult euro. Mai mult [00:43:30] euro, mai mult... Chiar și cripto. Chiar și cripto da. Trebuie să ai stomac [00:43:35] de jucător pentru chestia asta. Adică trebuie să te uiți dimineața să nu te panichezi că a [00:43:40] scăzut 10%, că a făcut nu știu cine, nu știu ce. Adică trebuie să ai un pic de stomac.[00:43:44] [00:43:45] Dolarul nu va scădea 10% peste noapte, dar în 3 ani de zile va fi și [00:43:50] va avea și el niște spaicuri. Mă aștept să aibă niște spaicuri. Dar trebuie să fii jucător și trebuie să te înțelegi că [00:43:55] nu mai e lumea de mai demult când te culci cu 10 lei în buzunar și te treci tu cu [00:44:00] 10 lei și poți să cumpere acele lucruri cu 10 lei.[00:44:02] Adică noi ce vorbim aici vorbim din părerile [00:44:05] noastre personale. Nimic din ceea ce spun eu nu vreau să fie luat ca mai [00:44:10] mult altceva decât o opinie personală din ceea eu gândesc și ceea fac pentru business-urile mele. [00:44:15] Noi ne strângem informațiile din sursele noastre și ajungem la niște [00:44:20] concluzii.[00:44:20] George Buhnici: Am mai spus chestia asta, nu cheltui pe crypto decât banii pe care ești pregătit să-i [00:44:25] pierzi pentru că s-ar putea să-i pierzi.[00:44:26] Sunt șanse mai mari de zero să pierzi bani în [00:44:30] crypto, da? Da, în multe alte zone, chiar[00:44:32] Cristian Onetiu: și în piață de capital. [00:44:35] Dacă te duci acum și începi să pui bani în piață de capital și să cumperi acțiuni și să vinzi, come [00:44:40] on. Adică știi vorba, unii în bursă vin cu experiență unii vin cu bani, [00:44:45] aia care a venit cu experiență pleacă cu bani, aia care a venit cu bani pleacă cu experiență.[00:44:49] George Buhnici: Iar la [00:44:50] crypto, chestiile astea sunt și mai dure, pentru că am văzut inclusiv oameni din jurul lui Trump care [00:44:55] au făcut monede și tot felul de combinații de crypto. Pare un free-for-all, toată [00:45:00] lumea este, e foame de bani, băieții , e foame de bani așa e. E foame de bani dar pe [00:45:05] partea de crypto, cum o vezi în perioada asta?[00:45:07] Ți se pare că piața e sus, e jos? E [00:45:10] sub-evaluată e supraevaluată[00:45:11] Cristian Onetiu: Sub. De[00:45:12] George Buhnici: ce?[00:45:14] Cristian Onetiu: Pentru[00:45:14] George Buhnici: că[00:45:14] Cristian Onetiu: o [00:45:15] țin. Au mai fost perioade în istorie în care au ținut-o acolo până [00:45:20] când și-au făcut ITF-urile lor, până când au cumpărat la prețul la care au vrut ei.[00:45:23] George Buhnici: Am mai[00:45:24] Cristian Onetiu: spus chestia [00:45:25] asta. În continuare ea prin surprindere. Deci e atât de [00:45:30] avantgardist scripton cât i-a luat...[00:45:32] Bitcoin-ul [00:45:35] le-a luat înainte. Ei se gândeau la lucrurile astea, dar le-a luat-o înainte mult, abia s-au prins cu [00:45:40] el care-i treaba, dar sunt încă întârziați cu tot ce poate, crypto, [00:45:45] blockchain și tot ce înseamnă tehnologiile descentralizate de astăzi DAO și așa mai departe. Ei [00:45:50] de-abia țin pasul, e o mașină care a pornit...[00:45:53] Cu 800 la oră [00:45:55] și ești cu un elastic prins în spate și mai trage câteodată elasticul așa și mai prind, [00:46:00] dar se uită iar a plecat mașina, bă de abia ne-am prins cu treaba asta, bă iar a plecat. [00:46:05] E mult mai dinamic, e mult mai dinamic domeniul decât pot ei duce [00:46:10] și pot nu reglementa ci strânge [00:46:15] sau[00:46:15] George Buhnici: capitaliza ei, știi?[00:46:16] Cristian Onetiu: Dar[00:46:17] George Buhnici: până la urmă, uite și guvernanții americani după ce [00:46:20] păreau anti-anti-anti, acum declară public că vor încerca să acumuleze din orice sursă [00:46:25] posibil. Păi de ce? De[00:46:26] Cristian Onetiu: ce până acum au fost anti? Dacă mie nu-mi place că faci tu platforma [00:46:30] cetățean.ro și deschizi mintea oamenilor, o-ți dau 10 [00:46:35] motive să închizi și să urlu la tine și peste 3 ani când ești și tu [00:46:40] pregătit, o să spui uite am făcut și eu noi un tool cu un AI care să-i ajute pe oameni.[00:46:43] Dar ea e a, nu mai e [00:46:45] descentralizat, nu mai e, nu. E, îl controlez eu acolo dau la butoane dau eu. Mai așa, mai [00:46:50] așa. Așa-i peste tot. Atunci când nu înțelegi ceva și știi că-i potențial acolo, îl [00:46:55]reglementezi și dai în el până-l omori. Și când îl omori cumperi ieftin și după aceea [00:47:00] zici, bă știi ce? Bă nu-i chiar așa de rău.[00:47:02] Am început să-l înțelegem. În[00:47:04] George Buhnici: [00:47:05] paranteze și am început să-l deținem. De ce? E încă de vreme. Pentru că de [00:47:10] cele mai multe ori ni se pare că am ratat și ideea asta, când de fapt schimbarea nu se întâmplă [00:47:15] peste noapte, durează o vreme și sunt încă destul de multe lucruri care încă [00:47:20]sunt în infanție, cum zicem.[00:47:23] Știi Sunt la început. [00:47:25] Alte lucruri mai vezi că sunt încă de vreme. Pentru... Partea[00:47:28] Cristian Onetiu: asta de [00:47:30] America, am intrat deja în zona asta și speranța mea este ca Europa să [00:47:35] rămână bastionul democrației, fragil, mușcat de [00:47:40] fund din toate părțile și izolat, chiar văd o [00:47:45] izolare în viitorul în perioada următoare, și pe toți ceilalți care [00:47:50] încearcă să muște.[00:47:51] În România cred că politic ne [00:47:55] vom... Ne vom bătători mințile, nu știu cum o să fie, [00:48:00] pentru că o să continue toată zona asta de populism economic. Mă uit [00:48:05] îngrijorat la tot ce înseamnă impactul promisiunilor dubioase, [00:48:10] politice în zona de cifre. Nu au niciun fel de sustenabilitate, dar [00:48:15] mă îngrijorează că oamenii nu sunt curioși de a înțelege [00:48:20] cifrele.[00:48:20] Adică să te lași așa ușor păcălit de cineva care spune că o să-ți [00:48:25] dau, nu o să-ți mai iau fără să înțelegi că... Că împărțim la toată lumea...[00:48:30] [00:48:35] [00:48:40][00:48:44] Că genul [00:48:45] ăsta de mesaj nu că prinde, înțeleg că prinde. Dacă nu ne trezim și că [00:48:50] nu există voci raționale care să vorbească numai despre asta, zic că, bă, știi ce, eu nu [00:48:55] mai vorbesc la emisiunea asta despre nimic până nu mă răspunzi la întrebarea asta. Pentru că tu îți bazezi tot [00:49:00] mesajul pe genul ăsta de argumente.[00:49:03] Până nu mi-e explici, eu nu te mai [00:49:05] întreb ce ai mai făcut când ai fost mic, cu cine te-ai mai certat, eu nu-ți mai dau spațiu de emisie până când nu [00:49:10] rezolvi axiomele cu care tu pornești sub formă de platformă program și care nu sunt [00:49:15] sustenabile. Dacă mi le explici pe alea după aceea vorbim despre tot ce vrei tu.[00:49:18] Dar nu mi-ai răspuns la [00:49:20] lucrurile pe care... Marșalitatea emisiunilor de televiziune par spălări zilele astea Da. Da, deci aici [00:49:25]trebuie să avem grijă unii de noi și trebuie să ne manifestăm spiritul civic mai mult între [00:49:30] prieteni, între apropiați, între oamenii care pot vorbi despre ceva. Dar scurt pe[00:49:34] George Buhnici: partea politică de [00:49:35] la noi, oamenii au impresia că totul se joacă acum, nu mai nu se joacă tot.[00:49:38] Din punct de vedere parlamentar [00:49:40] e închisă pentru voturile patru ani. Deci avem parlamentul rezolvat, guvernul n-ai cum să îl dai jos, [00:49:45] poate să vină orice președinte, nu poți să schimbi configurația care e la putere în momentul ăsta. Hai [00:49:50] să ne trezim un pic. Bătălia este pentru cine pune și la servicii. Pe [00:49:55] partea asta politică este multă gargară se vorbește mult, sunt tins să-ți dau dreptate [00:50:00] că următorii patru ani ne vor arăta cât departe se poate duce suveranismul ăsta la noi.[00:50:04] Cristian Onetiu: [00:50:05] Da. Da? Deci asta, nu vorbesc numai până la alegere, acum. Eu vorbesc de... În următorii patru ani. Da. [00:50:10]2025, 2026, 2027. Deci asta se va amplifica tot mai mult. Ok. Pentru că indiferent ce se va întâmpla și [00:50:15] dacă câștigă un suveranist sau nu președinția, subiectul ăsta nu s-a [00:50:20] terminat. Corect El nu se închide acum.[00:50:21] Din potrivă, el se amplifică sub o formă de [00:50:25] gherila, că am rămas ne-au furat, sau sub formă de hai să le arătăm la aia și hai [00:50:30] să dărâmăm tot ce e așa că nu-i bun. Deci asta va continua într-o formă sau alta, ambele [00:50:35] Va trebui să ne înarmăm cu rațiune și cu discuții de critical [00:50:40] thinking, că tot am vorbit de critical thinking și critical thinking îmi scria cineva pe [00:50:45] un comentariu dom'le, dar să nu mai fim atât de critici Critical thinking nu înseamnă că îl critici pe [00:50:50] celălalt înseamnă că despachetezi, de acolo vine din greacă despachetezi un termen [00:50:55] să-l înțelegi adică îl raționalizezi puțin îl pui pe hârtie, nu că tu ai o idee și [00:51:00] critical thinking înseamnă eu să fiu împotriva ta[00:51:02] George Buhnici: să te[00:51:02] Cristian Onetiu: critic.[00:51:03] George Buhnici: Critical thinking, dacă [00:51:05] acest maga, dacă suveranismul american reușește, crezi că [00:51:10] următorul parlament de la noi va fi suveranist? Va avea majoritate suveranistă? În Europa? Da. [00:51:15]Adică MAGA, ce vor ei? Da, pentru că MAGA nu a reușit să [00:51:20] facă Europa MAGA încă, dar dacă planul lui Trump cu roligarhii [00:51:25] lui cu MAGA, cu toate mișcarea asta reușește în America să o facă cumva nu știu, great, [00:51:30] grozavă dacă fac America grozavă în mătorii 2-3 ani, până la mătoare alegeri [00:51:35] crezi că poate să răstoarne și America și Europa să o facă MAGA?[00:51:38] Cristian Onetiu: Dacă o face [00:51:40] grozavă, da dar mă îndoiesc că poate să o facă adică [00:51:45][00:51:46] George Buhnici: apropo de cinism Hai că-mi notezi, fii atent, suntem în [00:51:50] neapropiem de, ne registrăm încă în martie martie 2025, Cristian Nețiu a spus așa [00:51:55] că Trump nu o să reușească[00:51:56] Cristian Onetiu: Nu cred, nu pentru că are foarte multe lucruri adică singurul [00:52:00] lucru care-l văd care văd să-l reușească este să facă o dinastie din familia lui [00:52:05] asta o văd sau din apropiații lui, să zicem Știi că a vrut să o pună pe Ivanka [00:52:10] să candideze Păi Uite-te și tu la pozele astea, cum vezi toată familia acolo, nu-ți [00:52:15] arată dinastie?[00:52:16] Adică când dacă venea Obama, [00:52:20] nu că țin eu cu Obama, nu țin nici cu nici care, n-am nicio treabă cu ei, dar zic ca și [00:52:25]comparație, dacă venea cu Michel în dreapta să o pună nu știu ce, păi sărea toată [00:52:30] lumea în sus. Dar a încercat Clinton. Noroc că s-a [00:52:35]împiedicat Clinton. Da mă de fapt în esență, toți încearcă același lucru.[00:52:39] Când [00:52:40] ai putere absolută.[00:52:42] George Buhnici: Nu puterea absolută [00:52:45] orbește absolut.[00:52:46] Cristian Onetiu: Te face cea mai [00:52:50] absolutistă persoană din lume. Nu există, nu există nu ne-a arătat istoria niciodată până acum, [00:52:55] că doar din istoria care o știm noi așa nostalgică, că acel mare cezar a fost bun pentru [00:53:00] oameni. Nu știu Nu știm A fost tot despre puterea lor și despre toate Tot revenind la America, dar[00:53:04] George Buhnici: [00:53:05] trebuie să te mai întreb ceva.[00:53:06] Da,[00:53:06] Cristian Onetiu: ultima.[00:53:06] George Buhnici: Elon Musk. Eu zic Elon Musk, tu spui? [00:53:10][00:53:10] Cristian Onetiu: Eu[00:53:10] George Buhnici: zic Peter Thiel Adică? Păi [00:53:15] trebuie să te duci mai sus. Apropo de știri, știi? Există cineva mai șmecher[00:53:18] Cristian Onetiu: decât Elon Musk acolo? Peter Thiel, [00:53:20]clar. De ce? a fost. Păi întotdeauna a fost. Și angajatorul lui principal și finanțatorul lui principal [00:53:25] cum? Adică nici nu se pune problema cine-i...[00:53:26] Păi Musk e cel mai[00:53:27] George Buhnici: bogat[00:53:28] Cristian Onetiu: unul de pe[00:53:28] George Buhnici: planetă. [00:53:30][00:53:30] Cristian Onetiu: Că așa... Și teoretic cel mai puternic. Eu sunt în 500 Forbes, dar [00:53:35] eu mai știu încă 10.000 care nu sunt acolo și care au mult mai mulți bani [00:53:40] decât... Eu n-am atâția bani cât scriu acolo și au de 100 de ori mai mulți bani și nu știe nimeni. [00:53:45] Nu e vorba de asta. E vorba de...[00:53:46] Lupta nu mai e pe banii. Banii sunt peste tot. E o luptă [00:53:50]ideologică Peter Thiel este un ideolog puternic. Foarte puternic. Foarte [00:53:55] puternic. Și a învățat de la René Girard niște lucruri fantastice care le-a [00:54:00] concretizat într-un capitalism [00:54:05] brutal. Brutal. [00:54:10] Elon Musk e mai... Umanist, parcă decât [00:54:15] Peter Thiel. Adică acolo ce văd eu mai departe ce [00:54:20] pot să înțeleg mai departe, că acolo este vârful [00:54:25] acestor mari bogații ai lumii cu companiilor [00:54:30] tehnologice.[00:54:30] E doar putere? E doar obsese de putere? Nu. Cei mai periculoși sunt [00:54:35] ăștia care au ideologie. Care cred că lumea asta era [00:54:40] cum e, că ne ducem în râpă, [00:54:45] inevitabil. Dar, vezi, și fașismul tot așa funcționează. Identifică [00:54:50] un lider maxim care te salvează, nu o instituție. Trebuie să identifice un pericol și [00:54:55] un dușman.[00:54:55] Deci acestea sunt caracteristicile premergătoare unui în [00:55:00]Italia, fașist. Așa s întâmplat. E aceeași rețetă. [00:55:05] Ok.[00:55:06] George Buhnici: Deci cât mai dorează relația lui Elon cu Trump? [00:55:10] Depinde de[00:55:11] Cristian Onetiu: pilă.[00:55:12] George Buhnici: Cel al cărui nume nu-l pronunțăm nu? Ca Harry Potter [00:55:15] Exact, exact. Voldemort. Depinde de vil că til l-a pus și pe Vens. Ascul [00:55:20] niște podcast-uri din state în care ei vorbesc cu foarte multe în fază despre acest patriotism al [00:55:25] oamenilor din tehnologie care vor să salveze țara și [00:55:30] trebuie să repare guvernul că e plin de s

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