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In the final episode of their Overcoming Old Testament Phobia series, Greg and Nathan tackle some of the most common questions and misconceptions about the Old Testament. Why does it seem so full of law and wrath? How were people saved before Jesus? And where can we spot God's grace among the judgment? From Genesis to Jonah, they explore how the Old Testament isn't just a prequel—it's a story saturated with mercy, hope, and the promise of Christ. Whether you struggle to read the OT devotionally or wonder how to preach Jesus from its pages, this episode is packed with encouragement and clarity. Don't miss this grace-filled conclusion to the series.

In this Greg and Nathan invite teacher Dave Shive to explore one of the Bible's most complex and compelling figures: King David. From shepherd boy to king, David's life is a tapestry of triumph, tragedy, faith, and failure. The conversation traces David's early anointing by the prophet Samuel and examines the tumultuous, decades-long wait before David actually ascended the throne. What does such a prolonged period of waiting do to a man's soul? Dave offers fascinating insight into David's relationship with Samuel, his uneasy entanglement with Saul, and his eventual rise to leadership over both Judah and Israel. Listeners will gain fresh perspective on pivotal moments in David's story—from his apparent shift toward darker choices, to his reactions in the wake of Saul's death, to the far-reaching consequences of the Bathsheba incident. Dave also explores David's heartbreaking saga with Absalom and reflects on the final days of David's life, filled with both regret and resolve. Whether you've read David's story many times or are encountering it anew, this episode will challenge your assumptions and deepen your appreciation for the grace of God in the life of a deeply human king.

Let's be honest—parts of the Old Testament feel strange. From obscure laws about mildew and mixed fabrics to chapters filled with hard-to-pronounce names, it's no wonder many readers feel overwhelmed or even confused. But what if these seemingly bizarre details are actually doing something deeper—something meaningful? In this episode, Greg and Nathan tackle some of the biggest hurdles modern readers face when diving into books like Leviticus or Numbers. Why are there so many laws? Were they about more than just morality? Which ones (if any) still apply to Christians today? And what's with all those genealogies—do they really matter? Along the way, they unpack how understanding the cultural and theological context of ancient Israel can turn “irrelevant” sections into surprisingly rich territory. If you've ever wanted to skip the fine print of the Old Testament, this conversation might just change your mind.

Feeling lost, confused, or even a little afraid when it comes to the Old Testament? You're not alone. In Overcoming Old Testament Phobia, hosts Greg and Nathan take a fresh and accessible approach to the Hebrew Scriptures—breaking down the barriers of intimidation and confusion that keep so many Christians at a distance. With wisdom, humor, and practical insight, each episode helps listeners see the Old Testament not as an ancient, irrelevant text but as a vital part of God's unified story of redemption. Whether you're a seasoned reader or starting from scratch, this series is designed to help you engage with Scripture more confidently—and see Jesus more clearly along the way. Join Greg and Nathan in this episode as they take a walk through the Old Testament. 

Greg and Nathan take a hard look at one of the most common—and potentially harmful—Christian clichés: “Everything happens for a reason.” While often meant to comfort, they unpack how this phrase can unintentionally shut down grief, oversimplify suffering, and imply that God intends every painful event. They explore how confusing God's sovereignty with approval leads to damaging theology, and clarify that Romans 8:28 doesn't claim all things are good, but that God works in all things for good. Greg and Nathan stress that during seasons of suffering, what people need isn't quick answers but compassionate presence and the assurance that God is near and redeeming—even in the hardest moments. The gospel doesn't promise to explain every pain, but it offers deep assurance: God enters into our suffering and promises redemption, not just reasons.

In this episode, Greg and Nathan unpack the phrase: “Trust God for the victory”—and why it might not mean what we think it does. Is it possible we've turned faith into a formula for getting what we want, rather than a surrender to God's will? Through raw conversation and biblical reflection, Greg and Nathan explore how Scripture often redefines “victory” as weakness, endurance, and even loss. Drawing from Hebrews 11, the cross, and their own spiritual journeys, Greg and Nathan wrestle with what it really means to trust God—not for the outcome, but in the midst of uncertainty. If you've ever felt let down by God or confused by unmet expectations in faith, this one's for you.

In this series of God Never Said That, Greg and Nathan unpack one of the most quoted – and misunderstood – Christian clichés: “God won't give you more than you can handle.” Sounds comforting, right? But is it actually biblical? With their usual mix of insight and humor, Greg and Nathan explore the nuance behind this popular phrase. They argue that while it sounds encouraging, it can place the burden of strength on us instead of where it belongs — on God. The truth? God will allow us to face more than we can handle... but never more than He can. Tune in for honest conversation, real-life examples, and a fresh perspective on what it really means to depend on God's strength in overwhelming times.

In this episode of the God Never Said That series, Greg and Nathan take a closer look at the popular phrase “Follow your heart”—a message often embraced in culture but, as they argue, not found in Scripture. The hosts break down why this seemingly harmless advice can actually be spiritually misleading and even dangerous. With biblical insight and real-life examples, they explain how the heart, while deeply valued, can also be deceptive and self-serving apart from God's truth. If you've ever been told to “just follow your heart,” this conversation might challenge you to think twice.

In this episode, Greg and Nathan sit down to reflect on the recent death of Pope Francis, unpacking both the personal and global impact of his passing. They share what they admired about him—his leadership moments, pastoral heart, and influence on the world stage—while also engaging candidly with aspects of his papacy they found more troubling. From doctrinal differences to broader theological themes, the hosts explore where they think Protestants can align with Catholic teaching and where they diverge, offering a thoughtful and honest conversation about legacy, faith, and the complexity of spiritual leadership.

Join Greg and Nathan as they welcome Nathan Bartlebaugh back for a deep dive into the most anticipated summer 2025 movie releases. From major blockbusters to hidden indie gems, the trio breaks down what to watch, what to skip, and what might just surprise you. Whether you're a casual viewer or a hardcore cinephile, this episode is your essential guide to the movies that will define the summer.

In this episode, Greg and Nathan discuss the vibrant worlds of Wicked and Saturday Night Live—from Elphaba's misunderstood power to SNL's upcoming 50th anniversary—to unpack what these cultural spectacles reveal about fame, performance, and the tension between irony and authenticity. Through a gospel lens, we explore the deeper longings behind the laughter and the spotlight: the human desire to be seen, to be known, and to matter—not for applause or approval, but for love. Whether on stage or screen, the episode invites listeners to consider how the good news of Jesus speaks to our craving for meaning in a world obsessed with performance.

In this episode, Greg and Nathan discuss the significance of Christ's perfect life, emphasizing that His sinless obedience wasn't just a model for living but a crucial part of God's redemptive plan. They explore how Jesus' flawless fulfillment of the Law was necessary not only for the removal of sin through His sacrificial death but also for the imputation of His righteousness to believers. Without His perfect life, humanity would remain guilty under the weight of the Law; but because His righteousness is credited to us, we are not just forgiven—we are declared righteous before God. The hosts reflect on the beauty of this divine exchange, highlighting how it secures both our redemption and our standing as beloved children of God.

Greg and Nathan dive deep into the themes of justice as portrayed in popular action series like Reacher, Daredevil: Born Again, and Netflix's Tomb Raider, examining how these shows explore the concept of justice in a world often marred by corruption and violence. They discuss the characters' struggles with vengeance, redemption, and moral clarity, drawing parallels between these narratives and the justice found in the gospel. Reflecting on how the gospel presents justice—not as blind retribution but as a path to healing, forgiveness, and restoration—the hosts offer insights on how these modern stories both reflect and contrast with Christ's call to justice and mercy.

In this podcast episode, Greg, Nathan, and Nathan delve into the intersection of the gospel and identity through the lens of the shows Severance, Adolescence, and A Real Pain. They examine how each show portrays the complex journey of self-discovery, grappling with disconnection and the search for meaning. Severance is explored for its depiction of division within the self and how the gospel offers a way to reconcile fragmented identities. Adolescence is discussed in terms of the challenges of growth, transformation, and the formation of identity, with the gospel providing a framework for understanding one's true self. Lastly, A Real Pain is analyzed for its portrayal of suffering and the role of pain in shaping identity, with the gospel offering hope and healing through the experience of redemption. Together, these shows highlight the transformative power of the gospel in understanding and embracing one's identity.

In this episode, Greg and Nathan answer questions they have received about Christianity. How would you respond to these? Check it out and let us know your thoughts. 

Greg and Nathan continue their dive into apologetics, focusing on how Christian faith can engage with and respond to common objections. We explore how apologetics provides logical, philosophical, and historical answers to skeptics. Whether tackling the reliability of the Bible or the question of hypocrocy, we unpack key arguments that help clarify and defend the Christian worldview.

In this episode, Greg and Nathan tackle two topics in one. The first topic they are discussing centers around evidences for believing that the Bible is a historically accurate document. The second focuses on objections people have to the Bible. Don't forget to email questions to thesegotoeleven15@gmail.com. 

In this episode, Nathan is flying solo as he talks about why an episode did not drop this week and reads the names for the Book Give Aways.

In this episode, Greg and Nathan wrap up the two-month journey exploring mental health from a Biblical perspective. Over the past weeks, they have discussed with their wonderful guests, everything from understanding the emotional struggles we face, to how Scripture offers guidance, healing, and hope. Unpacking topics like anxiety, depression, chronic illness, and the importance of community support, all while diving into the truth that God sees us in our pain and is with us every step of the way. Join them as they reflect on the insights gathered, share some final thoughts, and remind everyone that mental health isn't just a personal battle—it's one where faith, prayer, and the love of others can guide us toward restoration. Stay connected, stay encouraged, and remember—you're not alone.

In today's episode, Greg and Nathan dive into the transformative and relentless power of prayer. Reflecting on a stories such as David, Abraham, Moses, and many others, Greg and Nathan explore these moments of raw faith. We're reminded of the importance of holding on to prayer—especially when things seem impossible. It's about praying with perseverance, knowing that while the answers may not always come the way we expect, God's power is always at work. Join us as we reflect on how prayer can change our hearts and minds, even when we face the hardest of challenges.

Greg and Nathan are thrilled to welcome Christian author Leslie Schmucker as our special guest. Leslie discusses her powerful book Broken Children, which explores the emotional and spiritual journey of healing for those who have endured pain and trauma. She opens up about her own personal experiences and the inspiration behind writing the book, offering listeners a deep dive into how faith and resilience can bring restoration to brokenness. With compassion and insight, Leslie offers guidance to individuals and families seeking healing, while also encouraging a greater sense of hope through God's grace. Tune in for a thought-provoking and uplifting conversation!

In this deeply moving episode, we sit down with Christian author and speaker David Harvey as he reflects on one of the most profound and painful chapters of his life—the loss of his 24-year-old daughter to addiction. For years, David and his family fought alongside her in the painful and heartbreaking struggle against substance abuse, a battle marked by chronic disappointments, moments of hope, and the overwhelming feeling of helplessness. However, through it all, God showed David how to trust in Him more and more each day. In a raw and honest conversation, David shares his experience of walking through the world of addiction, not just as an observer, but as a father who longed for healing while navigating the depths of grief, both before and after her passing.

Eliza Huie, a licensed and trauma-trained counselor, is releasing her new book, Trauma Aware, designed to equip readers with both biblical wisdom and clinical insights for understanding and addressing trauma. With years of experience in counseling and a deep commitment to helping others, Eliza guides readers through the complex and often overwhelming issue of trauma. She explains how trauma can profoundly affect the mind, body, and soul, leaving lasting impacts that can be difficult to navigate. In Trauma Aware, Eliza takes a compassionate and practical approach, offering not only a biblical foundation for healing but also empathetic guidance on how to respond to those affected by trauma. The book is an accessible resource for anyone—whether they've personally experienced trauma or wish to support others who have. It answers critical questions such as "What is trauma?" and "How can we help others in a way that is both biblically faithful and emotionally sensitive?" With Trauma Aware, Eliza offers a path toward recovery, combining faith, empathy, and professional understanding in a way that is both practical and transformative for those seeking healing and support.

Lisa Dutcher and Christine Chappell join Nathan and Greg to discuss Christine's book, Midnight Mercies. Christine emphasizes that life is complex and can't be reduced to simplistic formulas for success, especially when it comes to motherhood or spiritual growth. She argues that while spiritual disciplines like quiet time with God are important, each person's circumstances—such as their relational, emotional, and financial situation—are unique. Offering a one-size-fits-all solution can be harmful, particularly for those struggling with depression, as it may lead to feelings of failure and shame if the prescribed practices don't bring immediate relief. This approach can deepen the sense of hopelessness and make people feel abandoned by God, further compounding their struggles.

In this episode, Greg and Nathan have a great conversation with Liz Edrington. Liz dives into how anxiety is impacting today's youth and how it's been shaped by social media, especially platforms like TikTok. We explore how generational shifts in understanding mental health have led to a need for both permission to feel not okay and a broader acceptance of feeling okay amidst life's challenges. The conversation will focus on normalizing anxiety as a natural, human experience rather than pathologizing it. They will discuss why anxiety doesn't mean something is wrong or that you're failing—and how kids today need to understand that stress is a part of life, not a sign of weakness or unfaithfulness. If you're a parent, educator, or just someone navigating mental health in today's world, this episode will offer insights into helping our kids live with a healthy perspective on anxiety.

In this podcast, Greg and Nathan interview, Dr. Svensson. Dr. Svensson, shares his extensive knowledge and personal insights on the challenges of living with chronic pain. Throughout the conversation, Dr. Svensson discusses the multifaceted nature of chronic pain, explaining how it affects not only the body but also the mind and spirit. He offers a compassionate view on how individuals with chronic pain often face misunderstandings and stigmas, both in the medical community and in society at large.

In this episode, Greg and Nathan dive deep into the themes of reflection, perspective, and the role of God's providence in shaping their lives. They begin by talking about the power of reflection—how taking the time to look back on their experiences, both the highs and the lows, has helped them understand the bigger picture. Through this process, they highlight moments when they didn't realize God's guiding hand at the time but later recognized His providence in hindsight.

This Christmas Eve, Greg and Nathan explore the powerful intersections of tradition, scripture, and the unexpected joy of encountering Jesus. They start with a reflection on the story of the Samaritan woman at the well, where she initially seeks only a mundane interaction, perhaps thinking Jesus is just another man who can offer her support. Little does she know, He has something far more life-changing in mind: the offer of "living water." By the end of the encounter, she is so transformed that she runs back to her town, saying, "Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did!" What a beautiful model for how Christmas Eve could impact someone—an ordinary encounter that leads to extraordinary change.

Greg, Nathan, and Nathan discuss the Christmas movies they recently saw. focusing on Red One and The Best Christmas Pageant Ever Nathan Bell talks about what he liked and didn't like about each one. Nathan mentions that although Red One wasn't groundbreaking, he found it enjoyable and fun. He appreciated how the movie expanded on the traditional Santa Claus story, introducing a larger world that could potentially lead to more films.

In this episode, Greg and Nathan emphasizes the importance of critically engaging with stories and entertainment, rather than passively absorbing them. They reference Tolkien and C.S. Lewis to suggest that stories, like A Christmas Carol, can be seen as "shadows" of deeper truths, echoing Plato's idea of the world of appearances versus the true reality. They reflect on Scrooge's transformation, noting that his salvation isn't just about actions like giving money, but about an inner change — a genuine heart transformation. In the context of A Christmas Carol, this highlights the story's deeper lesson: Christmas is not just about materialism, but about embracing compassion, generosity, and the true spirit of the season. It challenges us to look beyond the surface and recognize the moral and spiritual truths beneath the entertainment.

How do we handle dysfunction? How do we handle dysfunction around the holidays? In this episode, Greg and Nathan take a look at what holiday dysfunction looks like for us as people, but then what did it look like for Jesus? He was around dysfunction His whole life. How did He handle it? 

In this continuation from last week, Greg and Nathan continue to explore Fact and Faith beyond Doubt. 

In this episode, Greg and Nathan explore the importance of our faith, even when our feelings are hitting us hard. When do we move beyond what we feel to be true and accept what we know to be true? Check out the latest to find out. 

In this episode, Greg and Nathan explore the grace that God extends to us in our doubts. Rest on the grace God gives to you during your doubts. 

Greg and Nathan are finally able to talk about the book give aways from June. Listen in to see if you won. 

Join Nathan and Greg this November as they launch an insightful and honest series, "Good News About Doubt." In a culture where questions and uncertainties are often kept under wraps, Nathan and Greg dive into the truth that faith and doubt are not enemies but companions on the journey. Through heartfelt conversations, they explore how doubt can actually strengthen belief, spark growth, and lead to a deeper understanding of God's grace.

In this episode, Nathan Bell and Greg Dutcher dive into two books that have sparked heated debates over the years: Rick Warren's The Purpose Driven Life and Andy Stanley's Deep and Wide. Once dismissed by many, including Greg himself, these books are now getting a second look. Join the conversation as we explore why these books were criticized, what they actually got right, and why they might deserve a spot back on your reading list. Plus, hear our thoughts on the seeker-sensitive movement and how to balance church growth with staying true to biblical principles. Got thoughts on these books? Drop a comment and let us know!

In this episode, Nathan and Greg go full-out confession mode. What books did they once consider trash but have since found their way much higher on their recommended lists? Tune in. You might be surprised.

C.S. Lewis, a British writer and lay theologian, has left an indelible mark on Christian thought and literature. Known for his works such as 'The Chronicles of Narnia' and 'Mere Christianity,' Lewis excelled in storytelling and apologetics, making complex theological concepts accessible to a broad audience. His logical arguments, like the famous 'trilemma' in 'Mere Christianity,' challenge readers to seriously consider the claims of Christ. However, Lewis's legacy is not without its controversies. His views on Scripture, which suggest a more nuanced understanding rather than strict inerrancy, have raised questions among evangelicals. Additionally, his perspectives on inclusivism and universalism, as seen in 'The Last Battle' and 'The Great Divorce,' diverge from traditional evangelical beliefs. Despite these issues, Lewis's contributions continue to inspire and educate, offering valuable insights into faith, suffering, and the human condition.

C.S. Lewis is synonymous with evangelical Christianity. Was he an evangelical though? In this episode, Greg and Nathan take a look at the problem with claiming Lewis as an evangelical. Check out the podcast and let us know what you think. Don't forget to check us out on YouTube now too.

Is the Bible enough for a Christian's spiritual journey? This question often arises among believers, especially those new to the faith. While the Bible is God's complete and infallible revelation, our understanding and application of its teachings can benefit from additional resources. Ephesians 4 highlights the roles of apostles, prophets, shepherds, teachers, and pastors in the church, emphasizing the importance of communal learning. Books by Christian authors serve as 'never-dying teachers,' providing timeless wisdom and insights that can guide us in our spiritual journey. Some may argue that the Bible alone should suffice, but additional resources can help us understand and apply its teachings more effectively. For example, John Bunyan's 'Pilgrim's Progress' and C.S. Lewis's 'Mere Christianity' have provided valuable insights for generations of believers. However, it's essential to discern the relevance and impact of these resources in today's context, considering factors like the author's life and current relevance. By incorporating these principles into our lives, we can enrich our spiritual journey and gain a deeper understanding of God's Word. -- Keywords: Bible, Christian growth, spiritual journey, Ephesians 4, communal learning, Christian authors, Pilgrim's Progress, Mere Christianity, John Bunyan, C.S. Lewis.

In this episode, Greg and Nathan discuss some of the books and even some of the authors that they have cooled on. Are these still good book? Yes, both agree they are worth a read if you have never checked them out, but for these two, they would say they probably wouldn't pick them up again. 

How should we think about rest in regard to worship on Sundays? The Sabbath was intended to be a day of rest and worship but what did that look like for the Nation of Israel coming out of Egypt. Check out the episode and let us know what you think. 

In this episode, Greg and Nathan discuss what is the command to rest. Why did God think this was important enough to place in the Ten Commandments? Let us know what you think and enjoy the topic.  

In this episode, Greg and Nathan take a deeper look at what it means to disagree with one another and what it means to be united in Christ. Check it out and let us know what you think. 

In this episode Greg and Nathan talk about why it is a good thing to disagree with one another and that God even expects it from us. How do we deal with disagreements and of what use is disagreeing to the Kingdom of Heaven? 

In this episode, Greg and Nathan do a deep dive into the relationship that exists between Teachers, Parents, and Children. This was a timely episode as many have started back to school or are starting in the next week. Listen in and let us know what you think. 

In this episode, Greg and Nathan dive into the realm of relationships between parents and children. This is a two parter where next week they will talk about the dynamic between parents, children, and teachers. Check it out and let us know what you think.