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Gil Hedley joins Tahnee on the podcast today. Gil is an anatomist and self proclaimed "Somanaut" - a person who is "dedicated to exploring the inner space of human form". Gil has encouraged thousands of fellow "somanauts" to appreciate, explore and embody the wonders of human form through his lecture presentations and hands-on human dissection courses in the laboratory. Tahnee and Gil dive deep today, exploring the intricate nature of the of these bodies we call human. The pair share their insights through the lens of anatomy, philosophy and spirituality. This one is a bit of a mind bender folks, but in the best possible way. Tune in to be taken beyond the linear understanding of the human body into the expansive realm of universal connection. Tahnee and Gil discuss: Integral vs regional anatomy, embodied understanding vs intellectual analysis. The heart as a factual vessel not a 'pump'. Taoist sexuality and sexual anatomy. Religion and spirituality. The intricacy and non symmetrical nature of the human form. The human body as a whole, each individual as a cellular representation of the whole - the universal body. Martial Arts and the textural foundations of the body. The fascial system.   Who is Gil Hedley? Gil Hedley is an anatomist and certified Rolfer who holds a PhD in theological ethics. Gil's combined interests and training have supported his personal and professional exploration of the human body, which has lead him to develop an integral approach to the study of human anatomy. Through hands-on human dissections courses in the laboratory and lecture presentations, Gil has encouraged thousands of fellow "somanauts" to appreciate, explore and embody the wonders of human form. Gil has authored a number of books, as well as produced The Integral Anatomy Series, a set of four feature-length videos documenting his whole body, layer-by-layer approach through on-camera dissection.   Resources: Gil's Website Gil's Facebook Gil's Youtube   Gil's Free Online Courses   Q: How Can I Support The SuperFeast Podcast?   A: Tell all your friends and family and share online! We’d also love it if you could subscribe and review this podcast on iTunes. Or  check us out on Stitcher :)! Plus  we're on Spotify!   Check Out The Transcript Here:   Tahnee:   (00:08) Hi everybody. Welcome to the SuperFeast Podcast. Today I'm really excited to introduce Gil Hedley, who's joining us from Colorado. Hi Gil.   Gil Hedley:   (00:15) Hi, Tahnee.   Tahnee:  (00:16) Nice to have you here with us.   Gil Hedley:   (00:18) And everybody listening.   Tahnee:  (00:19) Yeah, the whole listening world. Gil is the founder of Integral Anatomy and he's a really amazing anatomist and somanaut which is a great word that I'd love for you to explain for us later if that's okay. But also you've studied theology and you have a PhD in theology. Is that correct?   Gil Hedley:   (00:37) Theological ethics, actually, yeah.   Tahnee:  (00:38) Okay. And you've done some rolfing things. You've kind of got this interesting mix of I guess the spiritual, and the tangible physical, and then obviously, like through the hands-on human dissection that you do. I feel like that's such an interesting combination of worlds to weave. But what I've seen you express, I suppose is this really beautiful and profound philosophy that I guess has arisen through your physical dissections and actual extractions of human form. But how does one go from actually doing theology, which I understand is like the study of religions and theological ethics, which is I suppose, I saw your piece on marriage. Is this around the role religion plays and how we create ethical constructs in our society. Is that right?   Gil Hedley:  (01:28) That's exactly right. Yeah, exactly. Looking to see the moral systems that are rooted in religions. So that's my master's degree. It was in the study of religion. My BA was also in the study of religion, and my PhD. All ethics throughout actually, I was studying ethics throughout. But basically, yeah, looking at ethics is a meta study where you look at people's ways of being in a world and trying to see how they reason about their moral-   Tahnee:  (02:05) Conduct sort of thing.   Gil Hedley:  (02:05) Conducts, and preferences, and choices, right? So.. And then theological ethics is where you look specifically to the moral systems of religious systems and ask like, "How do they come to believe that? What's their rationale for holding that position," or what have you. So actually, I brought my spirituality to the University of Chicago, certainly didn't get it from it. In fact, when I showed up, they're like, "What are you talking about God? we don't know God," because it's a very academic and abstract mental place.   Gil Hedley:  (02:37) That sort of intentionally drives you out of your body. My attempt to claim a body there was, was amusing I think, to my professors. I started doing Tai Chi and then I learned massage and rolfing while I was in my PhD program, in my own effort to just ground myself because I felt that although grounding was not a appreciated pursuit in my field, actually quite the opposite. I felt that it was ridiculous to try and come to moral positions or study ethics about the body, for instance, and make rules and such about the body or even evaluate rules about the body without knowing what a body is, or even living in one because it wasn't really valued to actually live in your body at the University of Chicago. I went into Tai Chi to try and just ground myself and get a little physical and explore my movement and such. I went to massage training and my rolfing training.   Gil Hedley:  (03:46) I got a little more body connection. I kind of realised that I couldn't speak to the body without having a more intimate understanding of the body. Before you knew it, I wasn't so much into the rolfing thing as I was into the anatomy that was helping me be a good rolfer. I sort of switched my career choice out of the rolfing upon the shoulders of which I continue to stand and into the the body exploration in the laboratory, where I found myself swimming in a universe that both terrified me and compelled me completely.   Gil Hedley:  (04:28) I found that when folks found out what I was doing, friends and other people, I was in a healing school as well after my rolfing training, did five years in an energetic healing school, kind of psychodynamics and energy healing and that kind of thing. My friends were like, "Teach us anatomy." I was like okay. I kind of told them what was going on in the lab. When I was in the lab, I kind of brought the energy of the healing school to that. That's much more how spirituality made its way into my anatomy laboratory as opposed to anything I ever got at the University of Chicago studying theological ethics, where I basically just fought the popes in Latin. It wasn't really particularly spiritual.   Tahnee:  (05:15) Well, and religion has such a history of denying the body because I mean ...   Gil Hedley:  (05:20) Exactly.   Tahnee:  (05:21) Do you have anything to say to that? Because I mean, I've got lots of thoughts on that.   Gil Hedley:  (05:25) Absolutely I mean the ease with which I engaged in the intellectual pursuits at the university and in graduate school was grounded, it was founded I should say, in my own disconnection to my body that was definitely fostered by my religious upbringing as a Roman Catholic. With all due respect to Roman Catholics, some of my best friends are Roman Catholics, my mum for instance, the modelling of the body in the church that I was raised in as liberal and 1960's kumbaya religion that I was raised with, still had a beloved saviour crucified, right, as the model of the body, and a virgin mother of him. So when you put those two together, you start scratching your head. You don't even have to scratch your head.   Gil Hedley:  (06:24) It's so deep. It goes in so deep to your psyche and to your way of moving, literally it affects how you move when your heroes, when your spiritual heroes, are naked but murdered and his mother weeping at the foot of the cross, actually never had sex, according to the story. So this is strange, and it's a strange way to model by the people you value most are void and have broken their bodies and offer their bodies as a sacrifice etc. When you take that seriously and I did, I took it so seriously, I got a PhD teaching Catholic ethics.   Gil Hedley:  (07:06) You get massively conflicted around your body and around your body's urges, around sexuality, around physicality, and many people just never worked through that. I've actually used the study of anatomy and the exploration of movement through something like Tai Chi for years. Then just like life and sex and family to become embodied. So that when I speak an anatomy word, it's not just an intellectual thing for me. I have a relationship with that tissue, an intimate relationship with a tissue. I know what it feels like, I know where it is. I can go there. I can call out its name and it calls back to me with sensation. So that's the embodiment that I've pursued and it's their integral anatomy.   Tahnee:  (08:02) So do you feel like there's this deeper sense of like introception and self-awareness, I suppose through the work that you've done, like it hasn't? Because I think a lot of people-   Gil Hedley:  (08:13) Yeah, I can go in there.   Tahnee:  (08:15) Let's go. Yeah. Because I mean, I see a lot of people. I've done a little bit of work in wet labs and stuff. It's almost like people become disconnected from the body when they do that work. It becomes this body I guess.   Gil Hedley:  (08:29) There's a risk of that when the approaches is regional and not integral. That's why I've developed integral anatomy because a regional anatomy, when you're parsing the body out literally into parts, bits, pieces, naming them, that's an intellectual process. It's a mental construct, and it doesn't have a whole lot to do with what's in front of you. But if you give a little time for the body to talk to you and tell it a bit about itself, and this was kind of my point as an ethicist was I keep learning about people and systems that are ordering the body around. They haven't even stopped to listen to what it has to say, or how it's organised, and what it might speak to the moral life because it's the moral life is lived, is a bodily lived experience.So what does the body speak to that? Because if the body is a gift and not a curse, then it can possibly inform the moral life rather than be its subjugated-   Tahnee:  (09:25) Vehicle of fear almost. Yeah.   Gil Hedley:  (09:28) And bedraggled partner or servant or mule as it were. Yeah, so if you're just doing regional anatomy, you really do run the risk of of getting disconnected. When you come into a lab and the body's head, and hands, and feet are wrapped, and they're faced down, and you never connect with them as even though the housing of a person but it's just like you're on day one of medical school. You're told to go in and find the integration of the trapezius muscle, meaning you have to hack a panel out of the skin, superficial fascia, deep fascia, flip the muscle over, find the nerve, then you get your A. Now, what happened to you in the process, right?   Gil Hedley:  (10:16) So chances are, you're disconnected or as I bring people into a room, we stand around the table holding hands in a circle. We give thanks and we bring ourselves into a state of appreciation. We acknowledge that this form is a gift, and this is came from a person who had an intention or the family who has an intention. We look them in the eye, and we sit them up, and we stand them up, even and we meet them in a vertical so that we can we can acknowledge, "Oh, this isn't just some dead body. This was someone's body." It's not a person on the table by any means. I'm not a surgeon. I don't work on living persons.   Gil Hedley:  (10:58) But I do work on the artefacts, and the footprints, and the old shoes of persons. I learned a lot about them as a result of that. I learned more about myself, my own fears, my own disconnections. I invite the people in the room to constantly, step up to that mirror and look in it. And see, do you hate what you see in the mirror? Do you love what you see in the mirror? Do you hate some of it and love some of it? Some of it you can't even see because it's literally outside of your ability to see. So I try and help people to see more. Then to just observe what their relationship is to what they see. Because if it's unappreciative, I'm going to work my hardest to to point out aspects of appreciation that can bring that person into a positive relationship with the gift that's in front of them and hopefully the gift that they're walking around with.   Tahnee:  (11:54) I had a close friend about maybe 2013, do your training in San Francisco. She sent me these emails while she was there, and it was like witnessing a breakdown, and then a breakthrough, and then this kind of rebuilding of her identity. I mean, I just looked at them again, when I knew I was going to talk to you. I remember them, they was so visceral for me when I wasn't there. I can feel how visceral it was for her and this process of spending six days, going back to her hotel alone and just processing. I think about how we're so removed from natural processes, death, birth, like all of these things.   Tahnee:  (12:36) I remember when I had my daughter, I had an experience meditating where I could almost feel this energy stream between her and I. Even though I was across the room from her. I remember reading in one of your posts about like fat being the fascia, sorry being the receiver like a transmitter of energy. I could feel how like my body had softened so that I could have this deep connection with her. I think those little little insights, they just they change your experience so much. How could I hate my chubbiness? If I was deeply connected to my little baby.   Tahnee:  (13:14) I mean, for me, that was just such a beautiful, getting even emotional talking about it. It was such a beautiful change because I've spent my whole life with eating disorders and various forms of that even if they weren't avert. That's what I saw with Kate, her respect for her body and for her students and how she was able to just see differently, I can just imagine you must have these huge transformational experiences going on every day in your work, right?   Gil Hedley:  (13:44) At least in my courses, I definitely set them up as opportunities for transformation and healing, I like to say that my classes are transformational, not traumatic. Because I mean, I was brought into gross anatomy laboratory when I was 17 years old in high school and in an advanced biology class. The guy who took us around the lab, at the Harlem School of Pediatry was basically like John Belushi, it was a joke. He was going to make us laugh and we did laugh, but it was simultaneously horrifying.   Gil Hedley:  (14:22) There were bags of feet on shelves around the room. There were hammy pelvis and legs lying on the table. He's yanking on tendons, showing, making toes move like a chicken. I didn't eat chicken for two years after that visit to the lab. It made a tremendous impression on me. When I came to study in a lab myself, I was like, the fact of the matter is that when you enter the laboratory, you actually go into altered states of consciousness, just by dint of the circumstances.   Gil Hedley:  (14:48) So you don't need to take anything magic to have your consciousness altered when you go into the lab. If you're brought in mindfully, with consciousness and awareness. I felt and do feel a keen responsibility when I have a room full of people in an altered state of consciousness instead of to jerk them around or mess with them, to serve them. From my Catholic upbringing, I have a service mentality. That's my ethics. That's my religion, my religion is service, right? That's the core of my own ethical structure. I do take the opportunity to serve the people in their altered states of consciousness in the laboratory for their sake, as opposed to what often happens in workshops where people are brought into altered states of consciousness and then the leader manipulates them for their own sake to take the next workshop. I hate that. I can't stand that.   Tahnee:  (15:55) Welcome to the yoga industry, yeah.   Gil Hedley:  (15:58) Yeah. It's so mean to start enrolling people when they're in the middle of their ecstatic experience. I would much rather have you calm down and realise here, and two years later think would you ever want to do that again? Most people are like, "No, that was plenty. I got that down." Now, there are the occasional people who come back and come back and back and back. Some people come every year. But they've made it their own practise. That's their own practise. I've made it my own practise as well.   Tahnee:  (16:27) Well, I mean, it seems like an endless task almost to try and map the body. I mean, it's so complicated.   Gil Hedley:  (16:38) It is. Things don't hold my attention for very long unless they're very interesting. So I found like with ethics and the moral life while I was studying that still am, I haven't stopped, observing, making observations and tinkering with my own set of ideas around how it is to be in the world and what I am in the world. What is going on here? These questions still drive me, who I am and what is my body. But when I think about how long I've been doing this for at this point, if you'd asked me, I would be like, "You're crazy." But it turns out that it really is the universe that we're exploring here. Whether you do it in macrocosm or microcosm.   Gil Hedley:  (17:23) I mean, I am like a kid in a candy shop in the lab every day because I'm seeing stuff, making observations, seeing details that have escaped me for all these years or details that I saw and then forgot. To be able to do that is quite a privilege, but also just speaks to the complexity of the subject. Even at the gross anatomical level, because people I mean, many people just dismiss gross anatomy like, "Oh, we already know all that stuff. That was figured out 400 years ago, right?" There it is. It's in the book. It's done there's nothing more to say. If you were getting a PhD in anatomy right now, you'd be hard pressed to find a professor who would support PhD level work and gross anatomy. No, you're going to be doing molecular biology. You're going to be working at nanometer level sizes of anatomy, cellular anatomy, gross anatomy is passe.   Gil Hedley:  (18:28) They'd rather have it out of the building actually because it smells and it's expensive and scary. But I have found actually that working at the gross level, I'm exploring the same questions that people are exploring at the micro level about movement and interfaces and relationships and continuities. But I find that the gross anatomical level provides a mirror for transformation that may be the microscopic level might not. You might not see yourself there quite as easily as you do when you're looking at a bedraggled old man on the table or a sweet old grandma.   Tahnee:  (19:06) Yeah, you see humanity reflected back at you, don't you?   Gil Hedley:  (19:09) Yeah.   Tahnee:  (19:09) I mean, I've read just recently actually read that you were talking about, you've even got theories that challenge, I guess, our gross anatomy conceptions that say like the heart is a pump, like you see it as more of a fluid. Is it that pressure dynamics, is that kind of what you're ...?   Gil Hedley:  (19:30) The heart is definitely not a pump.   Tahnee:  (19:30) Yeah. So speak to that.   Gil Hedley:  (19:32) By design, but the heart can be reduced to a pump, under the untoward circumstances of a stressful life. You can force your heart to become nothing but a pump to maintain homeostasis, but by design the heart is more of a, I see it as the place where the blood spins itself, where it refreshes its movement.   Tahnee:  (19:55) I guess centrifugal force kind of a thing is that what you ...   Gil Hedley:  (19:59) I think it's more about ... Well, there's that for sure, because I would say one of the primary functions of the heart is to facilitate the restoration of the vortex, the lamination of the blood and its flow as opposed to forcing it through smaller and smaller tubes that terminate 30,000 miles away and then make a 30,000-mile road trip back. That ain't happening with that little bit of flesh inside your chest. If you saw the kind of a pump that would be required to force a fluid through pipes with increasingly smaller diameters, the mathematics of it results in the need for an absolutely large machine, which is not located inside your chest.   Gil Hedley:  (20:43) If you've ever seen a heart lung machine, just look it up on Google, heart lung machine. It's like a big ass machine that is forcing blood. It's really the the amazing fluid dynamics and fractal form of the vascular network that's actually a reflection of the movement of fluids rather than its cause that results in the blood being drawn to the periphery and then being drawn back to the centre.   Tahnee:  (21:19) Like a tide, kind of?   Gil Hedley:  (21:21) Yeah, maybe like a tide. But there's a wonderful, wonderful Austrian naturalist whose name was Viktor Schauberger.   Tahnee:  (21:31) Yeah, I was about to say. Because he was all about the water needing to spin in vortex. We have an egg at home that our water-   Gil Hedley:  (21:37) Do you really? That's so cool.   Tahnee:  (21:38) Yeah.   Gil Hedley:  (21:39) How wonderful.   Tahnee:  (21:39) That's the thing. Because like nature is if you look at a coastline, it's all fractals, if you look at anything in nature, it's water streams like and the way water-   Gil Hedley:  (21:48) Yeah, so is the heart rhythm, the heart rhythm is fractal, we are fractal. We are mirrored best with fractal forms. We don't need a pump to make the water go around the planet or to make a vortex form in a stream nor do we need to control the streams banks. Similarly, if left to its own devices and if the heart is free, the blood will flow beautifully for your whole life. But if you resist that flow, if you resist the movement of life within you, literally through hypertension, emotional states and dietary duress is supplying your form, you can actually, I use the phrase canalyzing.   Gil Hedley:  (22:38) Which I mean to make a canal out of literally. So, if you put a canal and put walls, canal walls on a stream, you stress it basically. You dispermit its normal flow of movement, and yet it's still on a spinning planet. So what happens is there's friction, right? Instead of there being sort of a frictionless passage of the fluid, you have friction against the walls of the canal, which will be broken down by the fluid friction and also by the altered chemistry of the water, which when not moving in the same way has an altered chemistry. It's no different in our bodies, when we enter into emotional states that stiffen our otherwise flexible river beds, then we can analyze the path of the blood, generate friction of the blood against the vessel walls, which abraids, destroys them along with the altered chemistry, which chemically abraids them.   Gil Hedley:  (23:36) You have that combination of things, and then homeostasis kicks in and says, "Well, you promised to stay on this planet as long as I could keep you here, and so I'm going to proliferate cholesterol from your liver, the purpose of which is to be an antioxidant, and I'm going to take the oxidised cholesterol. I'll pack into the fissures along the vessel walls and I'm going to ... Oh well that's not enough. We're going to going to a hole in this thing eventually. So you really do want me to build a canal and your body will actually lay down bone basically," it'll calcify a literal canal, a little calcified canal inside the blood vessel. Then your blood will try and flow through that but you've created is no longer being sucked to the end and sucked back.   Gil Hedley:  (24:24) You're actually demanding like I said, at the beginning of the story, that your heart be a pump then, and then you'll get megalocardia, right, the heart will increase it and literally, increase in size as it worked for the first time in your life to move the blood. It never had to work before, it just happened. The ocean doesn't work to draw the rivers into it. The clouds don't work to form, and rain over the mountain tops, and soak into the soil and turn into spring water and bubble back up. There's no work involved. It's all just happening on a spinning planet, in a spinning galaxy. We are that.   Tahnee:  (25:03) Spinning bodies.   Gil Hedley:  (25:04) Yeah, we our bodies, are participating in that potential fluid movement on the planet. Unless we decide to hell no. I'm going to do it this way. I'm going to do it the hard way I'm going to resist the moment of life within me, and show it better. We never do we always show it worse.   Tahnee:  (25:28) I mean, it sounds like you're talking a lot to the Taoist world view. Would you say that's fair? Because it seems to be, like if we resist the flow of life a lot of this stuff, I guess is reminding me of like the Tao Te Ching and those kinds of concepts.   Gil Hedley:  (25:42) Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff in there, huh? Definitely. I would say when the Tao is lost, morality arises. Yeah, that's a little Tao Te Ching for you. I read it many times as a boy.   Tahnee:  (25:54) Yeah.   Gil Hedley:  (25:55) Man. I love the Tao Te Ching. I was like, "Wow, what's this all about?"   Tahnee:  (26:00) This idea I mean, because I have a little bit of a background in Chinese medicine too. I'm thinking like one thing, Paul Grilley who's a yin yoga teacher, I think you know him.   Gil Hedley:  (26:09) I know, Paul, he's pretty good.   Tahnee:  (26:11) Yeah, yeah. Well, he was talking recently about how one of his theories is that the fluid around the organs changes, and that gives rise to deficiency or access patterns and stuff. That makes sense when you're talking about the chemistry of the fluid. If it's altered by stagnation or by excess flow or whatever, getting flushed out too quickly, then we're going to end up with physiological effects from what had happened.   Gil Hedley:  (26:37) Absolutely.   Tahnee:  (26:39) Yeah, and then those manifest health symptoms and things, is that phenomenon visible in the fashion, not just in organs, obviously be it all through the body, right, that we'll be seeing this kind of stiffening?   Gil Hedley:  (26:51) Absolutely, I see. Well, what I call perry fascia I see as a fluid reservoir in our body. I like Peter Fritos word of a conduit. It's both a pathway as well as a reservoir. It's chemistry is dependent upon levels of hydration, which can be altered, but not only hydration, but the entire chemistry is altered by dehydration, right? You start to get you know, hydrogen bonding and cross fibre linking in the tissues that are designed to facilitate differential movement. When that happens, then at some level, the function is mitigated.   Gil Hedley:  (27:53) I don't know what percentage is required. I'm not saying dehydrated like cardboard, I'm saying like 2% of lack of fluidity and what does that do to the cells or the slipperiness of the tissue. When there's this level of drag generated mechanically throughout your body, how does that alter physiology? How does it alter movement? How does it alter mood or how does mood alter? It goes both ways, right?   Tahnee:  (28:24) Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's so easy for us to be either or with these things. When you start to really look into them, it's always both, there's a great F. Scott Fitzgerald, quote, it's like, the sign of advanced intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas at the same time. It's one that we constantly have to remember where we because ... You try and conceptualise these things, and it's so easy to want to know the truth which and then realistically it's always both. We're physical beings, we're emotional beings, we're spiritual beings. We're all of these things at once. I mean that idea that you say of I guess just reclaiming the body as a positive kind of a thing because I think so much of our culture like movement practises are ... I see some of the stuff people are doing, especially on social media and it just seems like it's abuse. It's like we're flogging our bodies.   Gil Hedley:  (29:22) Oh yeah, for sure.   Tahnee:  (29:24) I mean, you have some movement practise of your own. Right? Or you speak to movement quite a bit like, is there a ...   Gil Hedley:  (29:34) I walk.   Tahnee:  (29:34) Well, I mean-   Gil Hedley:  (29:34) I usually walk when I'm on the telephone. At the moment, I'm plugged in, I hover over cadavers in uncomfortable positions for hours a day, tormenting myself. Then I come home and collapse on a soft gushy sofa and do four hours of admin on my computer. While we make popcorn and eventually relax by watching something on Netflix. I'm pretty much in the loop of-   Tahnee:  (29:57) Of life.   Gil Hedley:  (29:59) Earlier. By the way, I think F. Scott Fitzgerald must have been a Libra.   Tahnee:  (30:03) I'm a Libra, so maybe that's it.   Gil Hedley:  (30:06) You're a Libra? I'm also a Libra, like a triple Libra.   Tahnee:  (30:10) Oh, no, are you?   Gil Hedley:  (30:12) Yeah. I'm as Libra as they get. I'm a Venusian, they're like man are from Mars and women are from Venus. Gil is also from Venus.   Tahnee:  (30:21) This explains a lot though because you also have the poetry and the beautiful philosophical musings, which I think is a very Libran trait to always look at the beauty in everything.   Gil Hedley:  (30:30) That is very true.   Tahnee:  (30:34) There was something you actually said. No, I think he taught a workshop on it overseas. I think a friend of mine from England went, I think that's why I knew about it. It was Sex and the Sacred Heart. Is that something you did?   Gil Hedley:  (30:48) That was recently, yeah.   Tahnee:  (30:50) I was not there, but yeah. I think a friend of mine from England who I'd done one of Paul's training's with was in attendance.   Gil Hedley:  (30:55) Yeah. Jo Phee.   Tahnee:  (30:57) I love them.   Gil Hedley:  (30:58) I held a yin teacher training in Berlin, actually.   Tahnee:  (31:02) Yeah. She had a whole bunch of you though that were pretty next level guests.   Gil Hedley:  (31:05) Yeah. Robert Schleipe was there. Jupp Vaanderwall, John Sharkey, and there was a gentleman, an acupuncturist fellow who I didn't have the pleasure of meeting. He was gone by the time I arrived. But anyway, yeah, When Jo says come, you got to go.   Tahnee:  (31:23) For someone so teeny, she's definitely got a authority.   Gil Hedley:  (31:27) Yeah, well, Jo's been coming to my class for years. I figured I owe her.   Tahnee:  (31:31) Yeah. Look, I mean, she's a wealth of information and hardworking.   Gil Hedley:  (31:36) She's wonderful, wonderful teacher. Yes, so I did teach a workshop called Sex and Sacred Heart. It was a kind of an experiment. I was thinking I might tour that talk. I was trying to see could I actually teach a class without my computer and without an image from the lab, and just tell stories that use toys such so I did. I did twisty tie balloons.   Tahnee:  (31:59) Okay. I thought you might made ...   Gil Hedley:  (32:01) I made a giant clitoris and a giant penis, and we had a great time.   Tahnee:  (32:06) Well, because one of the things my Taoist teacher talks about is how the Heart is expressed in the head of the penis and the clitoris. That's one of his big things. He's like-   Gil Hedley:  (32:16) I believe him.   Tahnee:  (32:18) Yeah. All of his work is around sex is a healing practise instead of as something to be-   Gil Hedley:  (32:23) Wonderful.   Tahnee:  (32:24) Yeah, was that the name of what you were talking about? Basically?   Gil Hedley:  (32:27) Well, for me, I wanted to basically offer, have a frank discussion about sexuality that wasn't so reductionistic as well. It's like well, first let me share with you some of the basic anatomy of our sexuality that may be overlooked or misunderstood because people haven't gotten that Sex 101. I found the more I talk about it, the more I realised that folks really don't know anything at all about their sexual anatomy for starters. And that's understandable, it's just not around. Where it is being taught, it's very difficult to comprehend the dimensions, the dimensionality and relationships, the anatomical structures are poured over it for years.   Gil Hedley:  (33:15) I think I can offer, I can make those connections with people but then also to be like, "It's not about these body parts. It's nice to know that and to be able to meet and connect with the actual qualities of our parts intimate," as I call them, but also that ultimately good sex is a function of the Heart. Not everybody wants good sex, but if you look at some people just want trashy sex, whatever you want to say. That's fine too. I'm not the judge. But in our culture, at least in the American culture which is all I can really speak to, the disconnection that we spoke of earlier with regard to our religiosity actually produces its opposite in the culture with as much or greater strength.   Gil Hedley:  (34:11) So to the extent that you deny, suppress, repress, revile, hate, and control sexuality, you create the largest porn industry in the world because literally, the porn industry is a function of our religion in the same way that the devil it's himself is a creation. If you have a pure God, that's only love and you and you subtract anything else from that God, you build a devil, right? If you go to the Indian religions, Kali Maas, terrifying, and sexy, and murderous and terrifying. You know what I'm saying? So it's all wrapped up into one thing. It's a little more psychologically rich. Similarly, if you banish an aspect of the human body to a lesser status. You cut off your very experience of the human body at the waist, you will not know the fullness of your Heart.   Tahnee:  (35:21) Even at the shoulders, like so many people who are living from above the neck, right?   Gil Hedley:  (35:27) Absolutely. Not even in the head. They're actually above the head. It's too terrifying to even come into the body. If you just ask people to a number, "Where do you feel yourself to be?" There will be people who will put their hand over their head. They don't feel themselves to be inside their bodies. If you've actually judged the body to be dangerous or if the body is perceived to pose a moral risk to the soul or salvation or however you want to construct it, then you're going to have a very busy porn industry.   Gil Hedley:  (36:15) In the same neighbourhood, because it'll be right next to the church. So there'll be the church, and then there'll be the dirty movies shop, right? Because you can't part yourself from that. You can't divide your heart like that. So for me, the is heart sacred and it infiltrates every cell, makes up to every cell of my body, the capillary network infiltrates my below the waist as well as above, it's the same Heart. I can't believe that a kind creator God would would give me a zone one of my body that was forbidden somehow or that was somehow less than any other aspect of my body. My mouth can't say to my dick, "I don't need you," to crudely paraphrase, the Apostle Paul.   Tahnee:  (37:14) That might be the headline. Kidding.   Gil Hedley:  (37:19) Yeah. You might have an establishment coming. Just saying.   Tahnee:  (37:22) Same intention.   Gil Hedley:  (37:24) Yeah, it's like the eye can't say to the hand, "I don't need you." There's nothing, there's no part of a body that is a gift that is unwelcomed or dirty or doesn't belong. And once you actually embrace the whole of the body as a gift, then you could say, "Well, then I gotta unwrap it all. I have to be open to the potential, the entire potential of this form and not just part of it." If I fall down on my knees, and literally straightened my body up and cut my pelvis, the energy off of my pelvis, above the pelvis, it's a strange thing. It's a very strange thing.   Gil Hedley:  (38:10) I don't feel like that justly demonstrates gratitude to the gift of the whole body. I feel that kind of, then so we actually have a culture that's split on those lines, right? And you end up, because of that split, the spirituality, actually a kind of spirituality, that splits the body in two and considers part of it great, that part of it good. That kind of spirituality literally drives the negative and empty expression of sexuality in the culture, right, because then everyone who actually goes for it is like, "Well, this, this can't be that." They're just the other side of the coin. By bringing the heart or the idea of a sacred heart into the story of sexuality is to say that we can't split our hearts in two and expect ourselves to feel whole. The heart is no less present in your [inaudible] than it is anywhere else.   Tahnee:  (39:16) And I mean when you're... Because that's something I think I've heard you say that even the separateness of our bodies is something you've brought into question recently. Is that something? Have I understood that correctly? Because I've been thinking about I guess, again, looking from the Taoist perspective, and even some of the tantric practises , that sacred union has been transformational for people. I've certainly had that experience in my life where I've had the good and the bad sex, where part has been really healing and empowering. That's, I guess, my current relationship,. It is like a transcendental experience where you actually do sort of dissolve almost, then there's that experience of like meditation or altered states of consciousness.   Tahnee:  (40:15) I mean, that's what my experience has been when I've managed to kind of unify through sex. I think that's there's a reason that subjugated because that's very empowering. You don't want to be a part of a ... You become kind of less able to be controlled, I think, when that's a part of your experience, because if you think about advertising, and politics, and all of these things, they really come out of this, these ideas. I know we're getting into deep territory, but that's been my experience. I think about if I'm repressed, and suppressed, and afraid, and don't trust myself, and don't trust my power and my body, then I'm much more easy to control. It's an act of sovereignty and liberation in a way.   Gil Hedley:  (40:58) That's beautifully put, I love it.   Tahnee:  (41:01) Yeah, well, I'm getting there. So could you flush out that idea for me about because we're all so different, and that's something you mentioned before we got on, you've been in the lab a lot lately. You've been taking apart two bodies simultaneously, and recording it so people can actually see even side to side, we're different. This is something I literally have to hit people over the head with. You won't be able to assume the same shape on one side that you do in another side in a yoga class.   Tahnee:  (41:29) It might be minutely different, it might be vastly different. I think people think we kind of have like those butterfly prints you do it at school when you're a kid. We're like clone from side to side. But that's not how we grow to my understanding. We kind of spiral out. That fractal nature of us. We aren't perfectly symmetrical, and none of us are perfectly-   Gil Hedley:  (41:52) Very true.   Tahnee:  (41:52) Yeah, well, none of us a perfectly symmetrical, but then you're also saying that we're very similar. So can you explain what's going on for you there? What's that line of thinking?   Gil Hedley:  (42:02) Well, we got a head. I have a head, we both have a couple arms, most of us do, a couple of legs, some hairy bits here and there. That's kind of like the basic map, right? Then literally to a number, every one of us kind of is a spin on that basic format that we call the human body.   Gil Hedley:  (42:31) But when I think about the human body, I mean, I've thought about the human body for years and years and years now. I keep kind of shifting my idea of the human body. Now when I say the human body, I tend to include yours with mine. I tend to include all the bodies as the human body. There's this body of humans on the planet. There are many, many cells to it, right? This human body, We're actually, all those human body cells that we are are governed by the same sun, the same moon, the same stars, the same spinning planet. Those are the master glands and the master physiology of the whole human species. And believe me, when the sun throws some crazy ass cosmic rays at this planet, we behave differently. When the when the moon is full, we behave differently.   Tahnee:  (43:33) Luna speaks.   Gil Hedley:  (43:35) Yeah, exactly. Our skins are producing in response to the sun, everything, whether we're hungry or tired is based on the sun. You can't get off the planet. Just try, jump. See how far you get. You snap back down like a magnet. There's substance to the space between us. Just because it's not our, our sensory habit of perceiving the content or substance of the spaces that we imagine are between us in the same way that when I went to the lab at first, I didn't really expect the muscles to be connected to each other. I mean, I knew they were connected to the bones or something, but I thought there was kind of, I don't know, maybe some juice in between them.   Gil Hedley:  (44:42) I didn't expect it to be a facial connection. I didn't expect it to be a substantial connection. I was basically surprised and in denial of the connection I was witnessing. Isn't that true about all of us? Aren't we surprised and in denial of connections between us? Right? Such that we keep forcing our minds to imagine ourselves separate in spite of the intimacy of our mutual connection across the planet with one another, regardless of telecommunications or whatever. There's a substance that's a continuity that is the relationship of the whole human body on the planet.   Gil Hedley:  (45:32) I don't really need to even stop it there. Why stop at the human body? Why not just talk about the planetary body or the body of consciousness? Right? Then you can just include everything. Why not? Because I don't know, I don't really. I'm not really a big, big bang kind of guy. You know what I'm saying? I find that to be a very amusing story. Right. Whether it be true or not, I don't even care. But I just see it as, as a nice metaphor for connection really. Right? So if you do conceive of a beginning or of a beginning that was the end of something else or a new beginning that is a very concentrated mass of atoms without so much space in between them that that spread out, formed our universe and our bodies and our stars at the star dust.   Gil Hedley:  (46:34) If there's any truth to physics, the proximity of those generated a mutuality such that at a distance, they remain connected in their behaviours and in their substance, even electromagnetically or however else that happens. I don't really know. But just as a story, I'm willing to ramp that up at the macro level. I can easily extend the notion to our mutual connectedness. I also know that I can feel people at a distance. I don't automatically deny that experience. Any human can, with a little practise view remotely and extend their consciousness. So the the field of consciousness that we share may be our body, may be my body. I don't say that egotistically, but as just a simple fact of reality.   Tahnee:  (47:37) That's very yogic. Well, that's sort of the map I've learned of what Paul teaches is actually, where ideas and energy and form, but we're all the same thing all the time. It's just we choose to perceive ourselves this way right now.   Gil Hedley:  (47:59) It's not the worst choice in the world, it can be interesting.   Tahnee:  (48:06) If you do believe we chose it, then we chose it. There has to be a reason on some level that we're here for this experience. Again, ideas and stories.   Gil Hedley:  (48:16) Punishment. You're being punished. You've come to the earth because you suck.   Tahnee:  (48:22) I heard a spiritual teacher stay the other day. He said, "You've been very naughty. That's why you're here." And it made me laugh, and it was in the time of Coronavirus. I was like, maybe it's our great punishment or something   Gil Hedley:  (48:38) Yeah, I don't think so. I have sneakingly suspicious that we're not being punished.   Tahnee:  (48:45) Yeah, I mean, my partner and I talk about these things a lot. We both feel that, I've always used the analogy of like Super Mario. I had a little Gameboy when I was a kid and it's like, why am I putting myself through this? It's because I learn and I grow and I get better. It's that self-development that motivates my life and obviously motivates yours. It's like that constant curiosity and questioning. I think that's fun.   Gil Hedley:  (49:13) Yeah, some of us are cursed with that drive to grow. What is that about?   Tahnee:  (49:20) Maybe we did something naughty.   Gil Hedley:  (49:21) Yeah. We must have done something naughty.   Tahnee:  (49:24) I have one sort of last question that which is curious to me as a movement, as somebody who I guess practises yoga asana as well as other things. You talk a lot about textures and about feeling textures. I know like bodies. Actually, I have a couple of questions in here. So I know you do like fixed dissections and then also gooey ones, which Joe and I actually talked about last year when I saw her she was saying that she'd done, like the brain was just like a puddle. It was very different to a normal brain.   Gil Hedley:  (50:00) Very different. Yeah. It's moving. Why is it moving?   Tahnee:  (50:03) So this idea that because most of us, even if we've seen anatomical models, they've been quite fixed by the formaldehyde and that kind of processing that goes on. You work with bodies that are quite fresh sometimes. We are really just sacks to goo and space and water and stuff, right?   Gil Hedley:  (50:27) It's pretty well differentiated in there actually.   Tahnee:  (50:29) Okay.   Gil Hedley:  (50:31) Yeah, I guess I'm not a massive goo, but tubes of goo. Is that kind of ...?   Tahnee:  (50:38) Yeah, well, there is a very watery quality to the body that's not fixed. There's a very, well for lack of a better word, sort of chickeny quality, cooked quality to the fixed bodies. Neither of them really capture the, the true tone of the human form and its textures. There are advantages and disadvantages to studying both. That's why I like to do them both because they're complementary rather than one better than the other. I couldn't work for seven straight weeks on an unfixed body because it would be rotten by the end of it.   Gil Hedley:  (51:16) The decay is too rapid and the fixed bodies, if it's done well, you can read into them the properties of the unfixed body. So the textures that I'm feeling into also represent differences, right? I can extrapolate from textures that are slightly off differences that can be palpated in the living form, right? So although the textures might not be the same, there are relative differences conveyed to the living form, whether it be a fixed or a unfixed body. can I can make use of the donated forms, the models as I call them, to interpret and read into the living body in the same way that a good tracker can read into the hoof prints of an antelope herd and pick out the the young and the weak, and walk after those hoof prints. Sure enough, come upon the young and the weak that are worn out, that just lie down and then the Bushmen of the Kalahari, just they can just dinner is served.   Tahnee:  (52:40) Got served.   Gil Hedley:  (52:43) I basically consider myself a tracker. You know, I don't I don't take the track for the being, right? I don't mistake the track for the antelope, but I can learn a whole lot about the antelope from the track. I can learn a whole lot about movement dynamics, fluid dynamics, structure function from the track that is the deceased human body.   Tahnee:  (53:14) So this idea of then movement, it becomes more about experiencing or developing this ability to perceive the textures. Is that what you're kind of getting at when you talk about movement practise and bringing this stuff in? Because there is that sort of Taoist idea that junk kind of congregates at the joints. I guess being dense and less full of goo perhaps, maybe is where that idea is coming from on a physical level.   Gil Hedley:  (53:45) The joints are pretty full of goo too actually. I just had a handful of synovial fluid this afternoon and my hand. I was like, wow, this is serious goo.   Tahnee:  (53:55) I guess that's more goo than what I'm imagining, because I'm imagining if there's a fluid and then a junction that's gooier, you can imagine things getting trapped there as opposed to like moving through muscle tissue where maybe there's more blood, it's more dynamic, there's more access. In my body, I can feel that those movements have a different texture and I guess a different experience. Is that kind of what you're talking to? I guess I'm just trying to comprehend how I would experience texture in my body.   Gil Hedley:  (54:28) Touch, just grope around.   Tahnee:  (54:30) Just touch it.   Gil Hedley:  (54:32) Yeah, just touch it.   Tahnee:  (54:32) Yep. I've got some rope up here in my shoulders.   Gil Hedley:  (54:35) Well, exactly. That's exactly right. So it's like, oh, I feel some rope up there. What's moving or not moving their? Or oh, this is kind of mushy, no matter how hard I try and contract it. What's going on there? Or when I turn this way, I feel stiff. When I turn that way, I can keep going. What does that texture feel like or what does it mean to move from my bones or what does it mean to move from my deep fascia versus my superficial fascia or from my membranes? Can I actually ... Actually when you can begin to sort of get a sense of those textures in your movement. We see this in the sort of traditional movement arts around the planet. Someone who's doing Xing Yi is moving from their sinews, from their tendons, and their deep, deep fascia. Very different than someone who's practising Aikido or something, right? Or someone who's doing Kung Fu or Karate or Taekwondo.   Gil Hedley:  (55:51) Those all the martial arts are actually deep explorations and moving from different textural foundations in the body and exploring their power, and the individual's relationship to the movement potential of those different layers. I find that fascinating, and fun to explore. and easy to see. For me, from my vision when I'm looking at, I'm like, "Oh, wow, that's a real muscley movement I'm looking at there," or wow, I look at my friend Russell Malphite, who's a choreographer in London and man that dude is liquid, he's just moving. He enters into the, the fluid potential, the fluid surfaces that are inherent within his body, and then he projects that out into space for all of us to witness.   Gil Hedley:  (56:48) Your jaw drops and you're like, wow, how can that even be? How can a person move like that? With that as your mirror, it confronts your own movement way of being in the world. This is ethics, your own movement way of being in the world which may be conserved or stiff or held in textures that are more wooden. That might be conveying a wooden mentality or a wooden religiosity or disdain for your own sexuality so that you can't actually get a wave going through your spine or an infinity wave going through your pelvis because that would be judged as seductive or something. Yeah. So that's kind of what I'm getting at.   Tahnee:  (57:36) Yeah, we have a friend who's, his name's the Movement Monk. But he teaches just those explorations. When I was practising them, and I heard you speak to that, I thought about it, because I mean, practising a lot of Yin. You really feel like that deep fascia, those rebound kind of sensations, and that's something I think for me, in my eyes, I think I was, must be early 20s when I first practised Yin. It was such a visceral and distinct sensation versus like the muscular action I supposed I was used to from athletics and life, and even regular yoga. I feel like we've lost a lot of that, I guess kind of exploratory function in modern movement. So it's nice to feel like maybe it's coming back a little bit. Yeah, well, that's probably a nice place to wrap up. So thank you. I mean, I really appreciate you taking the time. You must be knackered. The Australian, I don't know if that's an American word. Very tired.   Gil Hedley:  (58:42) Yeah, it's a very American word. Knackered, we say that all the time. Yeah.   Tahnee:  (58:46) Yeah.   Gil Hedley:  (58:46) We say, "I'm wasted. I'm so tired. I'm wasted."   Tahnee:  (58:50) In Australia, that means you drunk too many beers.   Gil Hedley:  (58:53) Yeah, that means that here too actually.   Tahnee:  (58:56) Yeah, so thank you so much. I really appreciate your time.   Gil Hedley:  (58:59) Thank you, Tahnee.   Tahnee:  (59:00) Yeah, I'll put all the links to your work on our webpage so that people can find you. But do you want to just rattle off your website for us? GilHedley, right?   Gil Hedley:  (59:10) Www.GilHedley.com, G-I-L-H-E-D-L-E-Y dot C-O-M. There's tonnes of free stuff there. So enjoy it.   Tahnee:  (59:16) Yeah.   Gil Hedley:  (59:17) Yeah.   Tahnee:  (59:17) Also you're on YouTube, you've got your famous fuzz speech, which I know you've probably copped a lot slack about it.   Gil Hedley:  (59:23) Very kind to not ask me for a whole hour about the fuzz speech.   Tahnee:  (59:27) I figured you've probably been there and they'll be stuff out there about it.   Gil Hedley:  (59:32) Yeah. It's not a problem. I'm happy to speak to that anytime. But actually I do on my website, if you join it, which involves putting your email down. I won't email you back unless you have beg me to, basically I have three free full length video courses that amount to about 16 hours of teaching an on camera dissection. That'll give you my learning curve over the years and a whole lot of cool content, then I put that up there, especially for you Australians, because-   Tahnee:  (01:00:02) I know. I've been dying to come for years.   Gil Hedley:  (01:00:06) I always feel bad. I mean, I'm honoured that the Australians come to my courses. They're always like, "When are you going to come to Australia?" I'm like, never. Just do that.   Tahnee:  (01:00:16) The logistics must be difficult to arrange a cadaver in another country.   Gil Hedley:  (01:00:20) It is. Yeah. I'm so busy with what I'm doing now that I'm not really looking to-   Tahnee:  (01:00:26) Yeah, expand in that way.   Gil Hedley:  (01:00:27) Multiply, multiply the number of times, the number of weeks I spend in the lab each year.   Tahnee:  (01:00:33) But don't worry we come to you.   Gil Hedley:  (01:00:35) Thank you.   Tahnee:  (01:00:35) Australians like travelling.   Gil Hedley:  (01:00:37) I'll be coming to you because all this stuff that I've been doing in the lab, I'm basically shooting footage for a massive online course.   Tahnee:  (01:00:45) Yeah, awesome.   Gil Hedley:  (01:00:45) Yeah, that'll take people-   Tahnee:  (01:00:46) Is there a timeline for that, Gil, in terms of ... Do you have a ...?   Gil Hedley:  (01:00:51) Give me a year, about a year, maybe less. I mean, the stuff on my website, I give away and it was just so I could learn how to make a website that could contain this massive thing that I'm building. Right now, we're shooting it. So there's a whole lot of other levels to making good education than just shooting the excellent video. I want to have it be flushed out as a whole course of study into the human body that's not exclusively laboratory based, but that has other elements to it as well in terms of exercise and exploration that can facilitate folks all over the world having a totally different experience to what it means to learn anatomy.   Tahnee:  (01:01:37) Yeah, I think that for me is such a gift. I mean, I'm sure I'm speaking for other people, but to not have to go through a traditional route to learn this stuff. I was looking at do I go back and do another degree and study. I'm like, I'm not going to learn what I want to learn as well. So that's really amazing we have these kind of independent options. That's something I can't imagine how much work that's been for you at the backend. So very grateful. Thanks.   Gil Hedley:  (01:02:11) I can't even tell you. I can't even tell you.   Tahnee:  (01:02:13) I mean, look, we sell herbs in a country and it's hard enough, I can't imagine what it's like moving tissue around. Yeah. I've heard some stories over the years of what you've jumped through. It's always impressed me. Anyway, on behalf of anyone out there who's listening, thank you. Yeah, I'll see you one day when the Coronavirus ends and the world is open again.   Gil Hedley:  (01:02:37) I look forward to it, Tahnee.   Tahnee:  (01:02:39) With existential experience.   Gil Hedley:  (01:02:39) Yeah.   Tahnee:  (01:02:42) All right. Thanks, Gil. Have a beautiful afternoon.   Gil Hedley:  (01:02:44) You're welcome. You too. Bye bye.

Introduction Universal Windows Podcast – Episode 90 You can enjoy us on Spotify and iHeartRadio now – great for streaming! We are starting up our regular cadence – look for podcasts on a weekly basis (we mean it this time) Word of the Week Enjoy a sip of your favourite beverage each time either of us says "Leather". Product Review Keyboard too small for David's big hands Almost exact same case and screen as an iPad 2 Nice Screen Battery only good for about 4 hours Buy – No Buy – No Buy News of the Week  Office 2019 Now Available for Mac and PC  Office 2019 vs. Office 365: What's Really Happening  Microsoft Now Uses AI to Help You Create Better Presentations, Spreadsheets on Office Apps Microsoft's Windows Virtual Desktop Delivers A Modern Desktop with Azure  Microsoft to bring multi-user virtualization to Windows and Office with Windows Virtual Desktop service New / Updated Surface Products Laptop Surface Pro 6 Headphones Windows 10 laptops: We've just reinvented PC with world's first leather 2-in-1, says HP What to expect from Windows 10 October 2018 Update Windows 10 October 2018 Update Deleting Files? Leather Covers for Surface Book from ToastMade Rant and Rave David complains about Microsoft inviting thousands, if not millions, to become Windows Insider MVPs Outro Call for your help with the podcast, please… Follow and Re-tweet, @SurfaceSmiths Listen www.SurfaceSmiths.com Email Podcast@SurfaceSmiths.com Whisky of the Week Aberfeldy 12 Year Old Episode 090 - The Lost Episode Windows Microsoft MVP Insider Surface Phone   Transcript [0:00] Hello I'm Cortana welcome to the universal windows podcast the show about everything Windows such a surface Xbox phone and the windows Insider program here are your host the surface Smith. I'm David Smith and I'm calling Smith and we are the surface, is episode one david ninety sh ninety if why's that wall two weeks ago we recorded episode ninety but we had. A problem that didn't need to meet my lower body a standard right and then the even episode ninety was delayed for multiple reasons feel dr there was a tornado that knocked out power heals your means, too long didn't read okay this is so that there was a tornado. [0:47] Delayed a whole bunch of things we lost power in our city I still don't have heat in my office, HVAC unit got blown off the building also two trees down nobody died here but they're six tornadoes a touchdown lot of Destruction and a lot of it was around $0.02 around my office and there was places in the city without power for up to 5 days i just prayed that could of solomon trail goes through a district substation right, but, tomato sauce with the week of ignite we're supposed and we were supposed to do dailies from ignite we have no power we were dealing with other issues, so we didn't do our foreign correspondents Rafael and the boys formula coffee clutch. We weren't able to connect with them so we didn't covered nightfall not there's a get well tomatoes fault, the tornado then we did actually record an episode that fell apart it was a awesome recorded it that way from eight with with tactical issues and then call and when had a death in the family that you look that so, and how long since your last episode. [2:09] I'm about 4 weeks about 4 weeks August 22nd August 22nd okay and the last time we recorded this we actually had Whirlwind as our word of the week but hey guys what about the word of the week, but what about this week's worth of the week I should be different I thought it was tornado was her word of the week tornado Whirlwind I can't remember, about leather leather is fine corinthian leather in corinthian leather yeah another test get there all, sure alright that don't touch the leather. Okay okay I'm not sure how we're going to work that in so for those of you that are new to the show where the week is a drinking game if you hear us say the word of the week you get to take a drink of your favorite beverage I'm actually Thursday if I have a sip right now. [2:57] So leather all right now. Where do you want to start David do you want to go right into a product with you our last episode I talked about the surface go that I tried in New York City, come, I see you've got something that you have a service call if you have a Surface tablet that had a crack in the screen that I happen to buy the extended warranty on and, they don't just fix it they just give you the money back or so I had, money burning a hole in my pocket so I picked up one so which model to get. Eight one twenty eight i think it would be silly to buy the four k for sure the forty-eight would run while but eventually sure is that the one with the sst years at the one with the. The best hard drive healthy ssd1 called UCM EMC, communication not buying these things for performance correctly so you didn't get the Costco on the cost going to make it out quite nicely, I only have 4 gigs of memory 128 storage I'm not sure what type of storage so that's it ideal combination but my reef my rebate of $330 wasn't Acosta how much of the total amount. [4:18] It's about $800 - 300 Canadian Canadian dollars. What's. Had its ups okay to tell us about what he thinks first impressions on but we didn't do it you did do it on boxing anything but what you numbers up so it is the it's the exact same for form factor as my apple. IPad 2 which is probably for 5 years old exact same Corners almost the exact same screen size the exact same thickness which is. [4:57] So you a little bit odd does it looks more like an apple from up front so you think that they bought a bunch of refurb to iPads and slammed slammed surface bits in them yeah, yeah it's a conspiracy, really the only thing I can see, they should have put a bit of extra weight in that and add the battery last a bit longer. Set the fuck up, okay not mistaken what was that Neva Neva scan Beacon, caca the eighties so any i can get use to the keyboard, yeah you know for when it does it slot better than any touch typing on screen would be so i don't think that's really a challenge with the keyboard for say that microsoft dismayed okay i think it's just a problem with the size of a ten inch form factor, so really there's no point it's. [6:14] Not a must-have for sure cake so how much will you say the battery is not fantastic how much you getting out of it like four hours really, real well that's disappointing very disappointing. [6:30] God wanted to look it up like that whole day out of my $69 Canadian $69 Kindle Fire HD. [6:41] I can get more than that have an iPad I can have more than that out of my circle you definitely get more of an iPad Surface connector so you know when you're at your desk, you can get your external monitors bigger keyboard now that really bad right here and I'm like the new Surface spices for Microsoft it as a USBC will charge it will well, what was so I charged it with my regular cell phone adapter, and it charged so I think the fact that I charged it all was good okay but I have more powerful you, PC device adapters light comes with the laptop and the docking station for Adele and those will go. Those will charge quickly I'm sure but I was surprised like this with the phone adapter it was actually charging. To be hand if you're stuck somewhere as earned don't have lives in glass for the new discharging. I just turned it on and left okay I wouldn't be surprised it would just break even fill this wouldn't even make up across Continental flight, battery wise. Alright so that's very very disappointed, when does a pass or fail. It depends on the surface pen to surface, bail bondsman someday, buy one as soon as I get my TSA check but just very disappointing. [8:10] It is quite expensive to so really if it was around $500 with a keyboard instead of 800 with keyboard. [8:19] I think that would bust my that i think what i'd rather do is buy a one of the news surface laptop i think three pilling from a whole ji at for on like three hundred dollars for yeah at four and on on on on at the top and. If the i seven or is that they don't i nine yet so now okay. Alright so that's it for that show we move on, new story of the week now you didn't mention what your, keep or case is made out of hearts wanna find corinthian leather is or so ago can them thirsty here. [9:00] Gonna suck so in that big long in from while we were away there will i lose. The conference the us there was Microsoft ignite Microsoft ignite for the first time in quite a number of years no surface Miss were there, so what did I say about that. All that introduce the new version of office that's basically a subset of officer sixty five four on perm customers when from cousin has a cute, what else did you go to breakfast so off the oven office twenty nineteen is now available for mac and pc. [9:38] Those of you that are not falling biscuits confusing the office three sets on a new one that you wanna have right write his office three sixty-five just been out for a few years and depending on what skew of officer sixty five you have the disk anyone for example you do not get an office pay you'll get any office off or, UCB online office off we don't get a local install office software so you have to go to the E3 or Business Essentials or business by mistake. It's like four bucks so you don't have to have it but my mistake would not be one of them yes right PC, example use water email so depending on which version of office to sixty five you buy you also get five per user five installs of microsoft office is close, Pro Plus father's claim Office 365 I believe in. [10:33] It's part of your license as long as you're paying your light your monthly license fee you have usage rights but what if you stop paying. Have you straight anymore that this is the perpetual license so for instance if you bought office, 2007 back in 2007 or 2008 or whenever you whenever you want it you could still run it that Microsoft support anymore it'll give you updates or anybody but you own it you can run it forever. Legally run it forever however office365 you stop paying your monthly you can't legally run anymore. [11:09] Talk a little bit about the differences so that's the licensing side of it right so office twenty nineteen is based on the feature set more or less that we saw in late spring early summer, in Office 365 Office 365 gets updated on a, randomly, hopefully not random well someone's got a plan but lisa mc maybe collectively sure so, features are the features come out regularly and it's always upgrading and it's really focused on integrating with the rest of the office to sixty five sweet, which is that online experience and that cloud experience not to say that office 2019 does, lie to connect a cloud services but. What, but Office 365 will keep getting more and more cloud looks to other services like yeah I after she learning and it whatever new functionality comes out in Office 365. [12:11] So that's one big piece of news and and what what's the next Feast well that's good news alright so, ex off now uses a i'll help you create a better presentation spreadsheets and things like that in the office apt to look at what you're trying to do it suggest a better way to present it. It's always been suggestions but now looks like yeah looks like you're trying to write a letter but a lot more though it's looking at the. Practices for presentations and spreadsheets and charts and things like that so be fun to try that out. I have a friend who's going to company that's focused on doing just that for businesses to make your presentations better so really like to have to take that I'd like to see what his thoughts are on it, so we can talk then we talk a lot the last episode yes the last lost. [13:17] I am, this allows you to have your virtual desktop and let Asher as opposed to having to setup terminal terminal servers are those her on hold on hold on, talk about sessions vs instances okay. Olden days or what people when using terminal server or what we on when i call have a session based computing you have a single wes, air by many users right right so they can all connect to it can like that, Mainframe concept and to be honest the first instance of this on Windows electrical twin frame and it was a modified kernel buys Citrix. [14:12] Yes and I thought it was a very clever. Back into the 80s that did this stuff on PCS to. A tarp for Dawson for a long time, we were talking about virtual desktops were talking about what, colloquially people call vdi VMware coined the term vdi virtual desktop infrastructure what it is maybe I were talking about multiple. [14:47] Dances so there be multiple virtual machines and i each person can x to one persistent or not, stop spread today appear and disappear maybe they're just there for you at the next. Get well Windows 7 or Windows 10 OS 8.1 if you really must each user gets their own or, whatever else you want to call this other words for that. That one machine with multiple users and that's a great Segway into our next item that will talk about but why is this important for the first time now. Windows 10 is available as a paid service directly from Microsoft and Azure and you can have, stop there so sorry technology change you could have always run, to bring your license and your license to allow you to do that night just by making us buy it and turn it off and not using it all sorts of things like that so. [15:57] Basically promoted desktops in someone else's Data Center, tornado outage here people are using that they can accept connect to edgerton woden. [16:08] Okay now the next one is Microsoft brings multi-user virtualization to, windows and office instances where each user gets thrown instance of now in Windows 10. You can use Windows 10 essentially as what we used to call a terminal server to have multiple users connect to Italy travel each have a session Windows 10 not Windows Server that's correct now why is that important David. Because Windows 10 Windows Server are very similar to each other. But not the same exactly so in the olden days, last month if you wanted to do session-based Computing yeah you would have to do it on a Windows server and it had it had present it has session Services right and remote desktop services that you would turn on and you would uninstall your software you have to jump through hoops to install off we're not big Hoops but you install software, and let people connect to it up Here's the catch alright. [17:14] When developers build applications for Windows and user Windows Windows 10 or Windows 7 that's a good example of say, Adobe Photoshop the developers built that they tested it on Windows 7 latest on Windows 8 the test on Windows 10 they got it logo certified, with all the criteria and then some sysadmin somewhere takes that app, add fries to shoehorn it on to Windows Server which is very similar but not the same, and it may or may not work and then you have to go through all sorts of remediation and things like that, application for certified to work with the remote desktop services but others were not so is very limiting. And you get sometimes really funky heirs. [18:01] And then gift because the cold is writ for windows ten and you try to run on windows server and may or may not work. [18:11] But my sister will definitely so now that's that's gone but secondly you don't have to worry about the cost Associated Windows server. [18:23] And and although there would be a conditional class here for extra license, but of course not. The whole server licensing right, how you could run a server on a desktop but if we all did. And a lot of small businesses are afraid of servers, a server that's, yeah that happened in your office before we're kilobit drive you places cuz people hitting afraid of service for so log but. [18:56] They don't work anymore exactly yes so that's the news about Windows 10 and. Multi-user virtualization as well as virtual desktop to similar related but different announcements. Okay alright. [19:19] Just after it night october second at with the west microsoft heads three three new i just for new. 1 2 3 updated products. So the first one they update it was the surface laptop and I'm very excited by that it has everything you'd want except USBC Port that's right. Is that believe there is one of LT1 block yes everything everything's available black. How's the way they will have a surface pro and black as well they have a lot, so yesterday the new laptop and its exact same time the Old it's just. No thinner nothing Cur and more powerful 1.8 times as powerful and you know the old one. Obviously it's not a power user computer in either case you probably want to go for Surface Book 15 if you need a lot of power but this would way way less Island it blows, no bother have really been any MacBooks in a while that's a little bar on the keyboard that changes now it's got touch, it's a touch screen David doesn't have a little touch banking. [20:44] Okay that doesn't have a high price of the macbooks yeah i got a high price not the summer has size similar person it then they brought a surface pro sex again has the lack of usb c, so interesting name. Because if it wasn't the five going to call it the five because it was really confusing cuz they're originally when they first watch that people may not remember but before the Surface Pro 3 there were two others. Dress made of leather leather. [21:24] Leather Burns front of them shirt, help just like wouldn't when television first came out nobody called it black and white television, and actually when colors I look good in whittwood color television came out what happened was, they started calling at color television to differentiate it from normal television which wasn't color right then sometime into the evolution of color television that became the new normal nice are referring to black and white television where that was the famous picture for manual transmission yes. But, I bought a couple but anyway then we're using it here for our soundboard aren't we so high five as we can hear it still works great but then came the Surface Pro 2 Surface Pro 3 which is finally I hit Surface Pro 4 also hit and then they went back to school to Surface Pro, if a candidate that makes the right of the original one didn't exist but as you can here it does exist pass yet so i'm gonna call that when the five to tell me about the six, again they have increase the power. Exact same case so you know this nice little folding not the back that you know the same keyboard 7 change any of that but it's just it's just faster and black races green and black. [22:53] But not small, it really small vessel life if they just increase the the quality of bezel that the screen but i mean it was harassment plus whatever if you know you have a nice mac avid nice, surface for whatever even a surface 3 when they're fantastic screens the app so what they're better. But back to the USBC the reason I don't I just like it it's cuz it's everything is just be coming in that USBC and it's it's just it's not that you need it in your bag all the time, it's just that they they could have put it in there but I guess they wanted to wait until. [23:29] Thunder bolts and everything and have all the standards out and no fuss no muss smell, with very conservative play which is Xbox better than what they did when the original Surface Book came out and it didn't really work too well right well there's been rumors that the, the EU might Force Apple to standardize on USBC and get away from their lightning connector on their phones on their phones. Which better than a while ago from you I think yeah. Okay sure it's a lot more so like I find the USB that was granted there more cheap vendors making USB C cables but you can still squeeze it and bend it right you can't leave Den. Lightning press the the shield around the USB C connector alright so what's next, what's next hell we didn't talk so we talked about those headphones headphones so I don't know why they made the headphones but they look really nice. [24:40] My kids want them but you know what the world headphones right 350 Us gift card so, so I told you the story about my son and his little adventure to the, Texas parolee satisfy the gift cards and stuff like that so I might buy some I don't know if that's only set to headphones lying around, my house at three set the good headphones hear about three or four sets a good headphones at home on opening the set the can of there's another. [25:12] Tell me about use it towards surface Co Staples surface got okay let's move on to. HP the says that, a leather case on the outside live there let. Find currently that is the case i just like to retire don't know it's it's on the outside like elka terror what of the stove is okay inside and, of course it's done to the computer it's made it way more efficient well hopefully that works, they get to him that i was dry clean only cuz leather that's true that's so i don't think we'll wipe which one of you this is is some. Happier in this computer is like 18 hours of battery life is just huge the thing that makes sense is if you're going to carry around a folio of some sort with it in it. [26:15] That it would kind of be the same instead of you would just carry the system without a case Okay so David. I want you skip the next item okay and come back to it's okay I took care of you on the 2nd next one. So what to expect in from the Windows 10 October 2018 update or what we're affectionately calling 1809 the thing here is when we wrote that article, it was a what to expect and then said we were 12, but something's happened since then David it's there's a new feature in Windows 10 delete your files saved increases the space, leaving for spite building fossil currently it happens fairly small situation did you know you can re direct your desktop gas to one drive yes i do that. Oh well I don't and apparently those are the people that might have been. [27:12] I got in there yeah. Well it's really hard for Microsoft recorded all these different vendors of different products and make sure that things work, but wait no no one derives from Microsoft Windows from Microsoft Microsoft I thought it was from Apple, don't know okay and then they got these people called insiders they're supposed to test all these things but I think they're getting paid too much cuz obviously they're not doing a good job at tested this stuff, so there's a couple things that are bit frustrating when is that they released it, to the slow ring in the fast ring like a week before pushing it out to everybody else they really didn't leave it a lot of time and there have been allegations that they have deleted some post from The Insider Hub or people that said this is the problem. [28:04] Right. Not Microsoft has no no no no variety variety disappeared, were they perhaps running the Hub on 1809 at desktop redirected, under what they go yes that must be what have, they're probably running in on a nice day, but, but the, it is it's very important to make himself feel good because you were there to help make things better have some people been reporting this and, you have the possibility that would be nasty all i have a great way to make the sex feel better house invite everyone to be an mvp ch. [29:13] Okay look up or who remember goodly this from when you and later i cannot stand okay. I know why you wanna skip ahead of the. Welcome to spread it out okay okay okay so we can cover two things they are going to move this to the end I'm missing so it's how it's made. So remember that we had a toast i'd toast made cover of with rob my surface book at river rock you or a toast a toast toast they have a leather one now okay okay so glue on case for your Surface Book, or yours but then what about on mysickers. [30:02] Turn on all you've what's the cuz i given why would i want another one i love the magnesium acted point, and wipe out and buy a will there's an a black surface laptop Surface Book yet but they will be and then why put it yeah what people are putting things they outside right why put stickers on your computer went when ice, if you only had a block magnesium, like this one, yes. By a lot you mean once in a blue moon you see one about more so than I did before they look like primer yes they do, and. Last piece of news so we talked about ignite of previous episode that we did get out the door we talked about the Apple announcements we talked about the Microsoft Hardware announcement, oh my goodness we should have led with that, guess not nothing to say okay, okay so is that it for a news that is. [31:18] Music. [31:26] Alright so that David you said you had something you want to talk about Rants and Raves Microsoft invited me to become Windows Insider MVP, good for you congratulations thank you thank you cut i am already windows insider mvp of cases problem. It's kind of seems like they've invited thousands and thousands baby hundreds of thousands I didn't get invite you didn't get an invite so there is at least a level of expectation but it's like. Kathy put in a query that says not existing like it what sort of criteria did they put in for that so. I am running Insider build immediate they did not immediately respond to my request for information, well as other people blogged about it and think like they is people are one explain about it but it just seems to me if it be nice if they invite insiders but the should put some care into the inviting. Okay so don't want to have a cake party invite too many people then there will be no point to it. [32:30] Okay that's my rent that's your aunt yes okay once the course then you can say well what who wants to be a member of a club that, heard any rumors from Microsoft will not from Microsoft but have heard one from Samsung and what would that be well Samsung says it's working on a foldable phone that we have tablets you can put your pocket sound familiar, maybe sides was the microsoft product andromeda and well damn it is the opera incident, will fit in your pocket again folded and you got a more screen real estate imagine someone makes foldable screens. People have a matching that's for quite a while if make full checked so. [33:25] Certainly be a lot of really cool concept of that but the only thing we've seen similar to that is i think alen oval made, computer that had for the keyboard it was basically a touch screen. And that really went nowhere so it's kind of a cool concept but. What will we see what that will really work I think we're looking for a whole new Computing Paradigm right now but I'm still not excited by the new phone Hardware out there, I want to get a new phone, I think I was not one out there that turns my crank. I mean really when you're looking for a phone that something that last a fair bit of time as is Handy. And then it is important and then everything else is just kind of like me at what point did the iphone and the and the. [34:17] The Galaxy start being awesome cameras that sticks on the iPhone, E46 with you know Microsoft Microsoft but everybody has unless you buy really cheap phone you have an amazing camera now you're going away or you could take it out the camera that you could just you could just take a phone when I get to get the S alignment take a GoPro, but you could not you can easily just a lot anyways so get fantastic diving so your phone's waterproof. No it's not it's a success on 7th and I can't take it down at the end. [34:56] But anyways that's like an OtterBox for it if I want to try but at some point so I'm going away from there if we can. Last year we went away I went to Alaska and I visited with Joel Jazz who was one of the hosts of the date of the pain the pain also known as, now I'm going to Australia where his co-host the Dane whereabouts I believe is Melbourne but it's not I'm going to leave his one of those two cities so maybe, I'll try to hook up with him now that they're podcast is gone quiet for a while back for you for me alright for them it interesting that they spam the pacific australia to alaska my can't take it much further within that know know if you can do a podcast with those sort latencies hear your good health okay alright. Anything else you want to talk about what is Microsoft Microsoft what. [36:06] This is for my sweet shows o know what of microsoft we kill the password, with its pathetic a rap or anything off I have not used passwords in quite some time for all any of my personal devices, heading to my work devices I use hello, I push token. [36:28] Go i'd be happy for a password manager i use a pass for batteries last pass right by rely on that heavily. But I don't use passwords that often except some my client systems so maybe passwords are on our way out that would be nice. But useful. Okay that was pretty lame what do you think all right so everything else I don't think so. Show's over showed over. My Follow the show on Twitter at surface Smith email the show at podcast. [37:19] Check out the show notes and leave a comment on WWE. [37:26] Help others find out about the show by leaving a review on iTunes. [37:30] Music. [37:39] Is it time for whiskey yet well the best part of the show it's always time for whiskey Cortana, alright so we started a new thing for whiskey the week segment or the universal whiskey podcast for the after-party whatever you want to call it. We're what's the name of that book they would we ready it's 101 whiskeys to dry before you die. Alright no pressure here no pressure. The first Whiskey In the book is what aberfeldy 21. Yeah that's the aberfeldy mayall i was looking at it in the mirror. Of you shaving with that bitch or i'll email know this is a gift actually but that is a gift for my birthday from my friend, and i dont know who is very generous over to give me this so we should drink it to what they say about never fell the well. [38:43] So I read this read this tonight so you shouldn't have messed up those numbers. Leonardo da Vinci. Brought the arabic number see your because the roman numerals work way too complicated they were and so with the simple system if you weren't able to figure. The whiskey were not tasting is is. It's by aberfeldy obviously the same one built by bloodpop however I'm color golden Amber what's your check, nose cream honey nose dried fruit will tell us about The Distillery tell us what they say. It's disturbing re hat ever feel like two hours model was built in, 96 to 98 by the Restless. Rest innovative and order from there all to do or brothers homos know that obama at all. I have lost my sense of smell. [39:58] I would say it's um for the sweet terminally. [40:10] Okay honey dark honey. Sweet caramel vanilla will the apple don't fall no no smoke no salt and small. [40:22] No iodine oh oh here we go igot to mention of it here. It may be easier to find the twelve year old version that's good. [40:34] This is a lot better and well worth the additional money exchange these really rounds out and deepens this with you that might be why i'm a little bit better. Different and round and round it up that you are calling cuz I've been age just a little bit longer to just a little bit longer okay so let's see if my little trick of any other water LOL. [41:03] Does make it sweeter a little bit more complex doesn't help with the nose now. [41:12] Son's hockey coach aston color day does your nose run your feet smell and your probably built upside down. [41:23] Nice I like this I like this but I wouldn't throw it out, it's decent I prefer something just a little more complex because we've been trying different things like bourbons and rice and stuff like that which do have a much stronger taste than this that we have. Filter pellets for a good solid. Oscar is with like a glenn live it plan that kind of style and standard highland okay. Find some plans to probably takes very similar for this and get well be happy with that jerk. But because of the single malt and expecting a little more character than this. [42:14] Santa hats not terrible so David. Describe to me what your favorite artist taste like something burnt. I just tasted a bit of burnt almonds with that know we were getting on and then that's why I said the word on this but a little burnt flavor that it was weird just so why don't you describe to me. What you're you're perfect with you taste, well I first of all you would get to the duty free store, have a dollar store dollar store in the gallon size and it would be $3 Canadian. When we when get gallons leaders okay we're size are. I definitely like a little bit sweeter than that so I I I think it's because of some of the Bourbons with your born baby. [43:07] Bizarro Bizarro you should put that in your business cards made with less subtle. I want a bit more Aroma I like the vanilla as I like the toffee I feel like a coffee or even or Burke caramel 15 to go shopping this. Needs to be a little rougher almost. Which is half the year here so so you don't like go to McAllen I left Macallan Sienna only as my year round, and I. [44:03] Like the dollar for dog can totally buy go to for that and then for winter whiskey and like a good let alone. [44:12] Which is a little bit smoke your little bit Peter a little bit salty air but not immensely so. Right now the mrs or to much i put them my covering that in the so once in a while thing, with a good cigar sure sure with you about actually today about whiskey that's what it's date one of these and now i'm up is dave smith on my caller id and he also it with my phone so. [44:43] I'm up on my phone and its. [44:50] 314 number is David Smith, thank with about whiskey yeah yeah v you have a clear think that we should call of dow acts without that was about a week tasting i bought at a at a charity auction last year nigga nine organize do of the cottages whiskey weekend at that the scheduling gods are just going to text you on that one they are they are if you give up the weekend idea and make it into the wednesday. Could be at a restaurant or something or. Someone's house just because people can stay over we can play cards late if someone's house is tough to have to fix guys stay over yes that's true. Wait until and if we have to have read it read the hotel people are going one in. [45:53] That's just double surprise, right right that's what that's easy to do at someone's house but not easy to do at a hotel at a hotel. [46:10] But i don't think that fixes the scheduling problems doing well not it does not to such push it off into the future was kaisha my xl make it and ice fishing weekend. S are skiing weekend we're screen lights up but then he won't come that far have you know aunts was a do. Besides drink whiskey like sorry that was white why would you need to do anything besides whiskey right exactly so. What are the state of its he fights with the foil wrapper worth over or or or or really, three yeah he is November 10th that you can party that weekend please can we just whatever you was getting at your party. Okay we got that that's possible the whiskey in sushi. [47:06] Okay could do that yeah yeah okay, possibility for sure when we do it before. Got to get some details on how long his tasting thing goes and whether you like sushi couple hours. We could do it in the afternoon and then make sushi with sharp knives okay but zombie bugs coming out of people's mouths. Yeah that's possible. [47:36] Will have to Institute a uber policy. Thought I'd like to do this up if if we're not in the cottage then November 10th is not a big deal we could do it at the sushi making party. [47:52] Yes but if we're doing it at your place and do it anytime. Write the bus to see me your entry in quick right but will you do to my house right, but again the whole thing is in people have to go home. We just instituted Uber coffee that's it I have to take a note. Or not drink and drive. That is true is not a whisky we can it is a whiskey tasting and they. Make eating and if yes how is playing sure so that none of the normal for all of the that goes along with the whiskey weekend is involved. No backwash well let's not talk about that. We're consumption of many things so that the party when of the situation parties at my old house years ago i had gone to an auction like this and i had bought a cake balls i know i was there, so this is a similar thing I paid for the cake bow so you would, I'd likely pay for the $750, but what do the merriest well i could do a personal tasty. All good i'll get a sale out yourself the fuck are you. [49:20] Alright alright so we need to solve this stuff but let's work on it after we go for a bike ride so anything else to talk about we're going to try again next week. [49:33] Yeah and then you're going to wait at the end of November December 8th and leaving. [49:47] What we have a hundred we're counting down to a hundred okay well we got at I'm at to be at the ignite throttle once app that is like the 10th or so I have. Junior but the problem with that is i have a conference the week after in boston so site. Logistical thing but Minor Details for those of you that are that listens wait till the end we're now pushing the what we're pushing 50 minutes. [50:18] I thought you stayed on all the way to the end I'm going to be going to Australia I'm going to be in Sydney I'm going to be in cans, Atlantic City a sound like an ass cans and then I'm going to be at a live-aboard for 3 Days Great Barrier Reef and then I'm going to be in, set. Anyways you can look up port douglas is is no greater rifts well on a beach there and then i'm gonna be in el are o and a staying at the la roux which in the old days we called heirs rocks, having Christmas there then going to Melbourne I'm saying that correctly for a few days before heading home, so how long you gone for 3 weeks wow well whirlwind. Maybe i'll get some kangaroo leather coat drink strap thing to a. [51:21] So if anybody wants to hook up with a surface Smith let me know I'll bring stickers. Sticker you up with surface the stickers port arthur scoble of tasmania for an appointment i cut the chicken fifths yeah you're right you're up in the upper round pants is still so replace i wanna go they can't do all wants but next time. Okay and when I get back we'll be party W yes. And when I get back I'll be looking for I remember going to Hawaii for Christmas for you to confuse ago and then went right to Mont-Tremblant was -45 go skiing we went from + 42 - 45. Chocolate outsider plus minus forty five sk yeah my son got frost bite. You should have stayed in probably doing that as well so I think that's it. What was he going to be all that bad you know why mine's gone mine's going to yeah, Lexmark it's it's not unpleasant it is nothing I can Rave about but there's nothing wrong nothing wrong with it I think we should, and call the show everybody keep your stick on the ice near scotch on the rocks take care have a great day. [52:50] Cooking my microphone.

I am so excited because it's time for this week's Q&A segment on "Beauty Inside Out" with Kimberly Snyder. This week, I answer four trending questions from the Beauty Detox Community. This week's most popular question was: Do you have any food recommendations to take on a long flight?   Have you been asking yourself this very same question? If you want to know the answer to this question and 3 more sent in by Beauties just like you, listen now to find out! Remember you can submit your questions at www.kimberlysnyder.com/askkimberly  [Questions Answered] Caitlin - Sydney, Australia I'm about to take a long flight from Australia to Kenya, in total over 24 hours. I would like to pack all my own food for the flight; do you have any recommendations for what I should take? Rachael - Chicago, IN I follow a number of fitness and health professionals who argue against having starches for dinner - and instead, encourage lean proteins and veggies. What is your opinion on this? Should we be avoiding starches in the evening? Jackie - Thorold, OntarioWhat do you think of pickled foods... such as pickles and beets? Mary - Fairfield, CT I follow the Beauty Detox lifestyle and I exercise moderately. I was curious if is it necessary to drink the power protein smoothie every day. I find it too cold to drink in the winter. Can I add protein powder to warm elixirs/drinks?  Inspirational Thought Of The Week True Beauty is really about being authentic and owning your uniqueness. [RESOURCES] 10 Tips On How to Survive Plane Trips & Minimize Jet Lag:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2017/02/22/10-tips-on-how-to-survive-plane-trips-minimize-jet-lag/ Travel Snacks: What to Eat on the Airplane:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2011/04/06/travel-snacks-what-to-eat-on-the-airplane/ Proper Travel Snacks!:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2009/09/09/proper-travel-snacks/ The 5 Best On-The-Go Meals:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2011/07/19/the-5-best-on-the-go-meals/ The Beauty Food Pairing Cheat Sheet! (INFOGRAPHIC):https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2015/06/25/the-beauty-food-pairing-cheat-sheet-infographic/ Questions and Answers About Beauty Food Pairing!:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2014/10/01/questions-answers-food-combining/ The Science Behind Eating Light to Heavy:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2012/09/25/the-science-behind-light-to-heavy/ Probiotic & Enzyme Salad Recipe:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2011/09/11/get-better-skin-and-more-energy-through-probiotics/ 3 Workout Tips + My 8 Favorite Workout Foods!:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2014/06/24/3-workout-tips-plus-8-favorite-workout-foods/ 10 Foods You Should Eat for Pre and Post Workout:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2012/05/17/10-foods-you-should-eat-for-pre-and-post-workout/ Kimberly's Recipe Archives:https://kimberlysnyder.com/recipes/ The Glowing Green Smoothie:http://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/ggs/ The One Day Cleanse:http://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2011/09/13/the-one-day-cleanse/ Detoxy+:https://shop.kimberlysnyder.com/products/detoxy Beauty Detox Probiotics:http://shop.kimberlysnyder.com/products/probiotics Radical Beauty:http://amzn.to/2k1FJxq The Beauty Detox Solution:http://amzn.to/2tbFYG8 Beauty Detox Foods:http://amzn.to/2wETSmO Other Podcasts you may enjoy!:What Snacks Are Good For Winter That Are Ayurvedic? [BIO Podcast: Ep. 138]:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2017/02/16/snacks-good-winter-ayurvedic-bio-podcast-ep-138/ The Best Energy Boosting Snacks! [BIO Podcast: Ep. 92]:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2016/09/08/the-best-energy-boosting-snacks-bio-podcast-ep-92/ Is It Bad To Eat The Same Foods Everyday? [BIO Podcast: Ep. 164]:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2017/05/18/bad-eat-foods-everyday-bio-podcast-ep-164/ What Is The Best Way To Healthfully Gain Weight On A Plant Based Diet? [BIO Podcast: Ep. 202]:https://kimberlysnyder.com/blog/2017/09/28/best-way-healthfully-gain-weight-plant-based-diet-bio-podcast-ep-202/...