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A podcast focused on Next Generation Ministry at all levels. From Pastors to Parents, from Vocational to Volunteer, from the church of 50 to the church of 5,000 we are all about the Next Gen Worker. Our vision is uplift and encourage, to help them see their work as a calling, a profession to which…

Zach Hummer & Ryan Baker


    • Nov 19, 2018 LATEST EPISODE
    • infrequent NEW EPISODES
    • 52m AVG DURATION
    • 74 EPISODES


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    Hard Questions, REAL Answers - S2 - Ep. 011

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2018 51:33


    Throughout the first half of the season we've taken your hard questions and given you not so great answers. In this episode we seek to right our wrongs and provide you with quality answers to your difficult ministry questions. Well...as quality as we can get.

    Reframing Discipleship - S2 - Ep. 010

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2018 43:09


    Ryan, Mark, and Emily talked about reframing discipleship and how youth ministry discipleship too-often focuses only on the content aspect (which is important for sure) but also needs to engage both the head and heart. With the goal of becoming more like Jesus, we need to include sacrifice and service as a core aspect of our approach to discipleship.

    A Defense of Youth Ministry - S2 - Ep. 009

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2018 54:19


    Ron has been in youth ministry in various forms for years. His latest book (which will release in 2019) is called "A Defense of Youth Ministry". Not that we thought that it needed defending, but others sometimes don't understand how crucial it is. Ron shares his research, experience and perspective in this episode that we hope reignites the fire inside your "why".

    Mistakes We Make in Youth Ministry - S2 - Ep. 008

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2018 42:25


    Let's face it, we've all made some mistakes in Youth Ministry. Whether big or small we all know those "Oh, crap." moments. Len talks about his international research into youth ministry mistakes and brings great perspective to the topic.

    Generation Z - S2 - Ep. 007

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2018 44:36


    Ken Castor, youth ministry veteran and Professor of Youth Ministry at Crown College, has joined us today to give fantastic perspective into Generation Z, who they are, and how they learn.

    Sabbath & Saying No - S2 - Ep. 006

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2018 39:05


    Zach & Ryan were joined by James McCall, who shared soul care and sabbath practices that have helped him find balance between his relationship with Christ, his family, and ministry. 

    Discipling Student Leaders - S2 - Ep. 005

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2018 45:41


    Dan is back on the show! Zach & and Ryan give him a hard to about his new book, but only because it's a good one! Dan's book, Becoming a Student Leader, is meant for the student. Youth Workers can use this resource as a guide for the student leaders to mature in their faith and service. Grab your copies from the Youth Cartel!

    Asking Good Questions - S2 - 004

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2018 40:43


    Jason Sullivan is a dedicated youth worker like you. He's been working hard raising up the next generation for many years, and has compiled a list of leading questions that can help students and leaders alike to think more deeply about their own growth. These are sure to help you in your own context. Thanks for listening!

    The Power of Story - S2 - Ep. 003

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2018 53:41


    There are few things as captivating than listening to a great story. Accompany a story with an electric personality and the power of Jesus, and you have a winner. Dale's story is epic. Try to keep up!

    Unleashing the Next Generation - S2 - Ep. 002

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2018 40:58


    Marv Nelson joins Zach & Ryan to share about his new book - Unleash.  It doesn't take long to realize that Marv sees the empowerment of the Next Generation asa crucial task of all leaders in every ministry area. Note - Zach's Audio had some issues during the recording of the interview. We are sorry! 

    Youth Ministry in Healthy Churches - S2 - Ep. 001

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2018 46:49


    We're back! With a new name, new segments, and same great non-sense.  NEXT: A Next Generation Ministry Podcast Join us this week as we talk about how the Next Generation is a crucial part of church health with Terry Smith, the VP of Church Ministries with the Christian & Missionary Alliance.

    What's Coming NEXT for When You Gonna Be A Real Pastor with Dan Boal- Ep. 61

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 18, 2018 19:40


    We are so excited for this special announcement! WYGBARP will be coming alongside NEXT Generation Ministry Conference as an ongoing resource. Season 2 coming Fall 2018 under the name NEXT: a Next Generation Ministry Podcast. Subscribe, Rate, and Share. Thanks for listening!

    Problem Solving and Communication with Tash McGill - Ep. 60

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 18, 2018 29:24


    Tash McGill hangs out with the boys today and the conversation is great! She's a strategist, consultant, writer, and she's a boss! She spends her time consulting with churches and non-profits, helping them with transformation problem solving. Don't miss this episode!   Subscribe, Rate, and Share. Thanks for listening!

    Youth Missions with Rick Romano - Ep. 59

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 18, 2018 31:15


    The guys are joined with a good friend, Rick Romano. Rick runs a missions organization in the Dominican Republic called Mission Twenty Five 35. He shares the importance of living beyond ourselves to make a difference, and there's plenty of laughs along the way!   Subscribe, Rate, and Share. Thanks for listening!

    Refugees and Immigration with Liz Dong - Ep. 58

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 18, 2018 30:29


    The boys are back in podcast town and they're joined by Liz Dong, Midwest Mobilizer of the Evangelical Immigration Table. Liz talks to the guys about what a Christian's perspective on immigration should be, while sharing her own journey and how her youth pastor played a part in it.  Subscribe, Rate, and Share. Thanks for listening!

    4 Verbs, Vision, & Youth Ministry with John Stumbo - Ep. 057

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 18, 2018 51:48


    Ryan and Zach were honored to speak with John Stumbo, President of The Christian & Missionary Alliance. During this discussion, John talks about his 4 verbs for the Alliance: love, proclaim, reach, launch, and how those bleed into youth ministry and the church. We also talk about the need students have to communicate the gospel well. Sit back and listen to President Stumbo's heart and enthusiasm for The Alliance and the body of Christ. Subscribe, Rate, and Share. Thanks for listening! www.notarealpastor.com

    Youth & Children’s Ministry Partnership with Melissa MacDonald - Ep. 056

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 11, 2018 32:46


    Ryan's out in Cali for training so Zach sat down with Melissa MacDonald, The C&MA National Children's Disciplemaking Specialist. This episode is full of important questions and statements about how crucial the partnership between youth and children's workers real is. We'd tell you to take notes, but we already did that for you! Visit NotARealPastor.com for show notes.   Subscribe, Rate, and Share. Thanks for listening! www.notarealpastor.com

    Educators and Youth Workers: the perfect team with Tom Scarice - Ep. 055

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2017 41:53


    Ryan & Zach were joined by Superintendent of Madison, CT schools: Thomas Scarice. We talked about the unique challenges facing iGen, and how schools, parents, and youth ministry can best face these issues. It's important that educators and youth workers work together.   Subscribe, Rate, and Share! Thanks for listening www.notarealpastor.com

    Evangelism with Shawn Hart of RZIM, Pt. 2 - Ep. 054

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 16, 2017 50:15


    It's time for part two of our interview with Shawn Hart of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. Check it out!   Subscribe, Rate, and Share! Thanks for listening www.notarealpastor.com

    Evangelism with Shawn Hart of RZIM, Pt. 1 - Ep. 053

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 10, 2017 50:01


    Ryan's injured, and him and Zach both tell their sides of the story. More importantly, we talk about Sutherland Springs Church, church safety plans, and have an awesome part one interview with Shawn Hart of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. Check it out!   Subscribe, Rate, and Share! Thanks for listening www.notarealpastor.com

    Calling and Secular Leadership with Regina Robinson - Ep. 52

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 2, 2017 47:31


    While at a conference Ryan and Zach caught up with Regina Robinson. In this episode they discuss the difficulties of your calling and how to be a leader in a secular sphere.   Subscribe, Rate, and Share! Thanks for listening www.notarealpastor.com

    Multi-Site Youth Ministry with Calvin Daly - Ep. 51

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 27, 2017 46:14


    ZACH IS BACK! And thank God, cause we were getting sick of Dan. This episode was recorded live at Lead Youth with Calvin Daly from Manchester Christian Church. On this episode, the guys talk about multi-site youth ministry and leadership practices. Give it a listen!   Subscribe, Rate, and Share! Thanks for listening www.notarealpastor.com

    Evangelism from the Trenches of Youth Ministry with Scott Robbins - Ep. 50

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 20, 2017 47:29


    We've hit a milestone! Episode 50! Today we're joined with Scott Robbins, youth pastor and Alliance Youth district point person from Waco, Texas. We talk about his experience in youth ministry and his clear passion for evangelism.   Subscribe, Rate, and Share! Thanks for listening www.notarealpastor.com

    Growing Young with Brad Griffin - Ep.49

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 12, 2017 56:17


    Zach is still on sabbatical, but Ryan and Dan are keeping it moving with Brad Griffin from the Fuller Youth Institute! They discussed his new book "Growing Young" written with Kara Powell and Jake Muller. It sets out to provide 6 essential strategies to help young people discover and love your church. Give it a listen! Subscribe, Rate, and Share! Thanks for listening www.notarealpastor.com

    Sexuality and the Teenager with Dannah Gresh - Ep. 48

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 5, 2017 51:12


    Ryan is joined by Dan Boal and Dannah Gresh as they discuss the importance of talking to teenagers about sexuality at a young age, especially due to exposure happening earlier and earlier in their lives. They give advice on creating fun and healthy environments for men and women to allow these discussions to occur. Oh, and as always, there's a few laughs! Check it out. Subscribe, Rate, and Share! Thanks for listening www.notarealpastor.com

    The Gospel and Unity with Kelvin Walker - Ep. 47

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2017 50:33


    Ryan & Zach are back with Kelvin Walker of Bedford Community Church. Amongst their normal antics, they discuss the transformation power of the Gospel, not just for salvation, but how we can help a hurting world. It's an encouraging and challenging episode you won't want to miss! Subscribe, Rate, and Share! Thanks for listening www.notarealpastor.com

    Not a Real Pastor goes LIVE & Greg Stier - Ep. 046

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 14, 2017 58:06


    Zach & Ryan are joined again by Dan Boal for a first time ever LIVE episode. All three guys met up in Providence Rhode Island to discuss the future of the podcast, and thought it would be fun to record a snippet of the nonsense. Greg Stier comes on the main segment to discuss evangelism and Next weeks Dare 2 Share LIVE. Check out this awesome episode! Subscribe, Rate, and Share! Thanks for listening www.notarealpastor.com

    GROW with Elle Campbell - Ep. 045

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 30, 2017 48:09


    Zach & Ryan are in rare form, and its because Elle Campbell, Co-Found of Stuff You Can Use, has jumped in the third chair! There are many a shenanigan to be had, some tips for those creating a first time youth ministry, and a description of GROW, Elle and Kenny's new immersive curriculum. Don't miss this ep! Subscribe, Rate, and Share Thanks for listening! www.notarealpastor.com

    Jeremiah Parks: Heartwork - Ep. 044

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 24, 2017 59:00


    Ryan is back and the boys are excited to interview Jeremiah Park, CEO and President of Heartwork, an organization that helps churches #spendyourself to raise funds for issues they are passionate about. Amazing story. Thanks for listening Subscribe, Rate, and Share www.notarealpastor.com

    Youth Ministry Coaching with April Diaz - Ep. 043

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 17, 2017 49:42


    Zach & Ryan (Dan Boal) are joined by April Diaz, Coaching Director at the www.theyouthcartel.com and a certified coach and trainer at Fuller Youth Institute, to discuss everything from #Charlottesville to Youth Ministry Coaching. This episode almost didn't happen! A must listen for sure! Thanks for listening! Subscribe, Rate, and Share www.notarealpastor.com  

    BONUS - The Haunted Episode

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 15, 2017 3:54


    Zach, Ryan (Played by Dan Boal), and April Diaz lose a whole episode worth of work. They are convinced it was the work of Devil. New episode re-recording tomorrow... Enjoy this paranoid BONUS episode! www.notarealpastor.com  

    Intentional Attachment Oriented Relationships in Youth Ministry - Ep. 042

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 9, 2017 59:26


    Ryan & Zach are back with another great episode with discussion on mission trips, Michelle Carter, and Attachment Oriented Relationships. Why do some students connect with you and then never come back? Why are some students overly annoying and connected? Dr. Ron explains. 

    Dr. Amy F. Davis Abdallah - Rites of Passage in YM - Ep. 041

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 1, 2017 66:19


    Ryan is on a mission trip with is youth group, so today we replay a favorite episode for your listening adventures. Dr. Amy F. Davis Abdallah gave us great perspective on Rites of Passage in young women, a topic that we rarely hear discussed in youth ministry. We hope this episode helps you grow and causes you to think a bit differently. Thanks for listening! We will be back next week with an all new line up of guests as we prepare for a busy Fall! Stay tuned! Subscribe, Rate, and Share! www.notarealpastor.com

    Reach Berlin with Robbie Haddad - Ep. 040

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 26, 2017 48:15


    Zach & Ryan are joined by Robbie Haddad, international worker from the C&MA, and a current youth worker in Zach's ministry. Robbie is a product of a faithful youth ministry, and is preparing for a 2 year term in Berlin Germany to minister to Syrian refugees. Robbie is passionate about his calling, and it all began with a faithful Youth Worker. You are making a difference! Thank you for listening to the show! Subscribe, Rate, and Share www.notarealpastor.com

    Whatever this thing is... - Ep. 039

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 19, 2017 33:59


    Zach & Ryan are all over the place in this episode. They discuss books they are reading, speaking at a summer camp, and Eugene Peterson. This episode has all the marks of a mid July summer jam. No segments, no form, still good. Thanks for listening! Subscribe, Rate, and Share www.notarealpastor.com  

    Top 5 Things to Expect on a Youth Group Trip - Ep. 038

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 12, 2017 37:35


    Zach and Ryan are back! They talk about their busy summers, their hurt feelings about last weeks teasing from Katlyn, and the Top 5 things that they expect from every Youth Group Trip. Thanks for listening! Subscribe, Rate, and Share www.notarealpastor.com

    Joshua Becker: Minimalism's Impact on Life and Ministry - Ep. 037

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 4, 2017 78:09


    Happy 4th of July! Ryan and Zach are off for the holiday, so we're re-releasing Episode 13 with Joshua Becker: Minimalism's Impact on Life and Ministry

    Zach Hummer: Raising a Kid with Special Needs - Ep. 036

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 28, 2017 48:30


    Ryan and Zach are along again today, and all the normal non-sense takes place. The boys discuss their schedules, sex trafficking, and Zach is interviewed about how he has done ministry while raising a child with special needs. Thank you for listening! Subscribe, Rate, and Share www.notarealpastor.com  

    David Eaton: A Discussion on Youth Culture - Ep. 035

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 20, 2017 46:57


    Ryan & Zach are joined this week by David Eaton, CEO and Co-Founder of Axis, a company devoted to helping parents have good conversations with their kids. Today the boys listen and comment as David explains a few of his concerns and ideas about Youth Culture today. No trending this week, Ryan is away in Texas! Thanks for listening! Subscribe, Rate, and Share! www.notarealpastor.com  

    Transitioning well from ministry to another - Ep. 034

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 13, 2017 54:43


    Ryan & Zach are joined by Jason Dumaine, friend and local youth pastor who has some thoughts on transitioning from one youth ministry to another. How do we transition well? What should we avoid? Jason's story gives us some good things to think about. Thanks for Listening! Rate, Subscribe, and Share Check us out on www.notarealpastor.com  

    Dr. Andy Root: Faith Formation in a Secular Age - Ep. 033

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 6, 2017 54:25


    Zach & Ryan are joined by youth worker, author, and professor, Dr. Andy Root to discuss his new books, his ideas on faith, and of course, the Grace of Dogs. Great conversation was had by all. Thanks for listening! Rate, Share, and Subscribe Show Notes will be available on www.notarealpastor.com Thanks again!

    Oh the Spaces You'll Go! - Ep. 032

    Play Episode Listen Later May 30, 2017 37:11


    Ryan & Zach record a week early to prep for their crazy schedules. This episode is all about different spaces that we create within our Youth Ministries. How are you varying your meetings? Thanks for listening to Ep. 32, the guys will be back next week with a more traditional episode for you! Check us out on www.notarealpastor.com  

    Getting More done in the Office - Ep. 031

    Play Episode Listen Later May 23, 2017 43:46


    Zach & Ryan are prepping for a few crazy weeks of family life and ministry by recording a few episodes in a row. This is the first. Joined by Chris Coakley, President & CEO of Grain of Hope. The boys share this productivity tips, and discuss life in Youth Ministry. Show Notes Available at www.notarealpastor.com Thanks for listening Subscribe, Share, and Review!

    Are you Valuing your Volunteers? - Ep. 030

    Play Episode Listen Later May 17, 2017 54:31


    Zach & Ryan are joined by fellow youth workers, Betty Morejon & Laura Slezak from Sunny Florida! The crew talks about cyber attacks, faith based films, and, most importantly, how to value our volunteers and youth ministry teams.

    The Value of having Values - Ep. 029

    Play Episode Listen Later May 9, 2017 41:36


    Zach & Ryan once again prove that, without a guest, they spiral into chaos. A show about values, demonic blue whales, and executive orders... What could possibly go wrong!? Check out show notes at www.notarealpastor.com Thanks for listening!

    Jonathan Hobbs: Don't Do This! Seriously... Ep. 028

    Play Episode Listen Later May 2, 2017 47:24


    All aboard the Fail Boat with Jonathan Hobbs - Youth Director and Author of "Don't Do This," a collection of failure stories from youth workers across the US. Never has their been an episode that features kermit the frog, Jon Claude Van Dam, and Breaking Bad references. This one has it all! Subscribe, Share, and Review!  #realpastorsaywhat Show Notes available at www.notarealpastor.com Thanks for Listening!

    Bethany Needham: Hey Girl! Podcast & Intimacy with God - Ep. 027

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 25, 2017 64:36


    Zach & Ryan are joined by friend of the show and fellow Podcaster, Bethany Needham to talk about her new show, Hey Girl!, depression, suicide, youthmin, and fostering intimacy with God in our busy lives. Check out the show notes online at www.notarealpastor.com Subscribe, Rate, and Share! Thanks for listening!

    Jon Mann: Joys & Challenges of working in Ethnic Ministry Contexts - Ep. 026

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 18, 2017 61:06


    Friend of the show and Youth Pastor Jonathan Mann joins Zach & Ryan to discuss the joys and challenges of Ethnic Ministry Contexts. Lots of laughs and time for serious discussion around mental health issues, and the new Netflix series "13 Reasons" Show Notes available on www.notarealpastor.com Thanks for listening! Subscribe, Share, and Rate!  

    Rick Lawrence: Gritty Youth Ministry - Ep. 025

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 12, 2017 59:57


    Zach & Ryan are joined by Youth Min Champion, author, and Editor of Group Mag, Rick Lawrence. They talk about the effects of tech, bombings in Egypt, and Rick's new book about being a Gritty Christian. This episode was posted late, but it was all Zach's fault. Thanks for listening! Share, Subscribe, and Rate Show notes available at www.notarealpastor.com  

    Worship: What role does it play in your Youth Group? - Ep. 024

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 4, 2017 57:51


    Zach & Ryan are left alone again! It was good though. Zach came up with the best middle name of all time, the boys talk about April Fools Day pranks, and online privacy. Our main segment focuses on worship at Youth Group and the importance of having a teaching a solid theology of worship to your students.

    5 Critical Connections that Keep Students Engaged in Church - Ep. 023

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 28, 2017 58:53


    Dan Boal Returns! Alliance Youth Director and Youth Ministry Consultant at the Christian & Missionary Alliance, Dan brings a crucial discussion on 5 connections that must be in place for students (and just about anyone, really) to stay engaged in the local church. Zach & Ryan want to say thank you for listening, they cannot believe the show is 23 episodes old! Subscribe, Review, and Share! You are wonderful! Thank you for listening! Show Notes available on www.notarealpastor.com  

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