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What's holding you back from reaching your fullest capability for creativity?On today's episode of Potent, Steven is joined by Syracuse University's Professor Elizabeth Wimer to discuss a range of topics from providing practical advice for avoiding burnout, to understanding the Pareto principle to identify impactful relationships, fostering creativity through thoughtful practices, and leveraging weak ties for idea generation. The two also touch on cultivating an entrepreneurial mindset and get into Professor Wimer's personal reflections on teaching and balancing professional life with genuine care for her students. About Today's GuestElizabeth Wimer is equally passionate about coffee and entrepreneurship – a combination that serves her well as a caffeinated educator for conferences, consulting, and as an Assistant Teaching Professor at Syracuse University's Whitman School of Management. Her experience in entrepreneurial ventures and her passion for marketing translates into courses, consulting, and speaking engagements in entrepreneurship, ideation, marketing, creative problem solving, personal selling, management, and customer service.Her consulting work has taken her throughout the United States and also to the United Arab Emirates, Asia, Africa, and the U.K. and her passion for education has led her to South Sudan to volunteer to teach at an understaffed school in rural Ariang. She is currently running an annual signature immersion experience for Syracuse University students to consult on-site with entrepreneurs, refugee artisans and underserved rural schools in Nairobi & Nakuru, Kenya.Although she resides in Syracuse, New York with her husband, sons and new puppy she remains an avid Boston sports fan – particularly for the Boston Bruins and especially when they win against the Habs or Rangers.Show Notes0:00 Intro02:21 Applying the Pareto Principle to Life07:16 Elizabeth's Journey Toward Teaching10:54 How to Find Your Purpose14:52 How to Reframe Problems and Generate Ideas18:13 The Problem with Brainstorming23:05 Are People Born Creative?28:13 Idea Generation with Steve: Who is Your Audience?34:30 The Intersection of Generosity, Curiosity and Creativity41:20 Processes & Practices_The Potent Podcast is produced and edited by Justin Sinclair, who also composed the theme music. Additional editing support and mixing by Aaron Feeney.This podcast is brought to you by the Monk Manual. The monk manual is dedicated to providing best-in-class tools for helping you build a more potent life, and experience peaceful being and purposeful doing on a daily basis. If you'd like to be more intentional with your time and energy - please visit monkmanual.com.

Patrick explains why, despite being framed as a pro-life solution, IVF poses significant ethical and moral concerns according to the Catholic Church. Millions of embryos are discarded or frozen, and the procedure separates procreation from the sanctity of marriage. It's crucial to know the truths and complexities behind IVF to understand why it's not a viable option. IVF leaves hundreds of thousands of embryos abandoned Diane - I've heard that people are thinking of this as pro-life because they take an un-used embryo and raise that child. Is that alright? They themselves didn't go through IVF. (19:24) Andy - My wife and I have five children but we know that we don't want anymore. Is it a sin for us to keep having sex? (24:35) Steve - Who is there to vote for that isn't morally corrupt? (38:18) Ava – Patrick asked her to call back last week after she called about her suicidal thoughts

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I have had my head down working on some big things since RapidStart CRM growth exploded, and it has been a while since you heard from me. Well, I'm getting back to it with a follow-up chat with Charles Lamanna who recently took over for James Phillips as head of Business Applications for Microsoft. This was my fourth chat with Charles, and it was interesting to back listen to them in order. It really gives you a sense of where Microsoft has come. I managed to catch him in his office having just wrapped up their year-end. Enjoy! If you want to listen to my chats with Charles in order, The first one was October of 2018, the second one was September of 2019, the third one was March of 2020. Transcript Below: Steve: Welcome to the Steve Has a Chat Podcast. Where I call someone out of the blue with a record button on, and hope to have an unscripted conversation about Microsoft business applications. Let's see how it goes. Enjoy. Charles: Hey, this is Charles Lamanna. Steve: Charles. Steve Mordue. How are you doing? Charles: Good. Great to hear from you, Steve. It's been a long time. Steve: It has been a while. Have you got some time for a chat? Charles: For you, anytime. Steve: I appreciate it. Well, I guess the big news for you obviously is putting on the big boy hat, huh? Charles: Yes. I moved up an extra floor in the Advanta building in the Microsoft Campus. Steve: Oh did you? Charles: No, I'm just kidding. But metaphorically speaking at least. Because for folks that don't know, James Phillips leaving in March of this year, I kinda stepped in across all aspects of business applications of Microsoft. And, over the last four years, I've gotten to know the place, know the people, know the business and I'm super excited about the opportunity. And I think the future has never been brighter for business at Microsoft. Steve: Well, I never got the feeling that James held you back, or any of the folks on your team back, but he certainly, we have to give him a lot of credit for really taking this thing to a whole nother level. You weren't here before, I don't think, at least with the business apps, but it was really run by morons before he took over. And he completely turned that thing around and turned it in a whole nother business. And now with you taking over, I'm expecting that to continue. I don't know if there's been some things that have been in your bag that you've wanted to do that James was keeping you from, that you're going to pull out, or if you're just going to continue the path, or what's your thinking now that you've got that gavel? Charles: So definitely not held back. I would say I was super fortunate I worked for James for, I think seven, eight years in total. So I was able to learn a bunch and he was without a doubt, the most supportive manager I've ever had in my career, in terms of both enabling and clearing paths for what we wanted to do from a vision and dreaming perspective. And if it weren't for his support, things like Power Apps would have never gotten off the ground. So, definitely. And I think as we go to the future, we have this amazing foundation. I mean, BizApps is a major and key component and pillar of the Microsoft Cloud. Charles: 10 years ago, you probably would've thought that impossible. Right. To have Dynamics and Power Platform alongside Azure and Office. Now that we're here, let's go take it to the next level. And that's the push, and it's continuing a lot of the great innovation we've already done from a data-first, AI-first approach. Kind of sprinkling in some more collaboration with teams, and really revisiting the end-user experience, the platform, to go increasingly modernize and scale it and make sure that all our components from CRM, to ERP, to Power Platform work great together. Steve: I don't think it could have achieved that status with Dynamics 365 alone. It really took the Power Platform coming into being, I think, to give it the breadth that it needed to be able to get there. With Dynamics 365, we didn't have apps for users to do small things, there was no way it was going to permeate an organization the way the Power Apps do. Charles: Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I say two things are interesting. The first is, Power Platform has allowed us to help more users and more customers with business process transformation, which is what BizApps are all about. Right? Steve: Yeah. Charles: How do you make your sales processes better, your financial processes better, and Power Platform really turbocharged that. And that earned us credibility in a lot of those departments and with a lot of those users, and we have some great data about every user who adopts Power Platform is significantly more likely to adopt Dynamics within the next year or two. So we see that symbiosis working in a way which is incredibly customer-friendly, and it helps our business. Second thing is Power Platform has even helped us reimagine parts of the Dynamics apps themselves. And I think probably two of the best examples are the connectors, which are key to the Power Platform. Charles: You see the connectors starting to show up inside all these Dynamics apps, like Customer Insights uses Power Query for data ingestion, or Viva Sales even connects to Salesforce. So there's this amazing interoperability that we have, and also enabling the end-user. Our team built Viva Sales, even though it's not in the Dynamics or Power Platform brand. But it's this idea of having an integrated experience in Office for sellers, built on connectors and built on the Office integration. So it's changed the way you think about some products, and it's also helped us go expand our user base. Steve: Yeah. I saw I was on a PGI call with that yesterday. Very, very cool stuff. At the last PAC meeting, I was supposed to be on the Viva Sales round table, but I'm like, "Yeah, that sounds boring. I think I'm going to go to this one." And I really, I went to the wrong one, I missed a good one. But you know where I am, right? I'm on the platform. Charles: Yep. Steve: And we're exploding. Our app is continuing to grow on the platform as a low-cost simpler alternative to Dynamics 365 for companies that aren't ready for that. And I'm always bugging you about, "Hey, that cool new feature you guys got in the first-party. When are we going to get that at the platform level? So ISVs, and people that are just building their own stuff from scratch, could take advantage of some of the syncs." We got the Outlook app a while ago, we've been getting some things. And when I saw Viva Sales, that was probably my only disappointment was that, at least as I understand it, it's hardwired to Dynamics or hardwired to Salesforce. And I get that trying to play those two against each other, but it's leaving guys like me out in the cold. Charles: Well, I'd say for Viva Sales, the intent is to support any CRM, and I really do mean that generally. And even customers, because there are customers out there that we talked to today who have homegrown CRMs, they coded 15 years ago. They have a whole dev team still working on it. The idea is to support interoperability with your account records, your lead records, your opportunity records, standard pipeline data. And to do that in a way which works through the connector. So today it'll earn V1, it'll only be Dynamics in Salesforce, but the intent is to make that be a general purpose adapter. And you could have a RapidStart CRM connector, which shows up and supports the contacts the way we want, and it would be connectable. That's not going to happen in the next three months, but that's the ambition. Steve: I can call you in four. Charles: I go down and said... What was that, in four Months? Steve: I can call you in four months. Charles: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I might not pick up the phone then in four months, no I'm just kidding. Because even talking about, if people are even on Seibal. We should be able to support them with their sales. Because the idea is, you shouldn't have to transform the seller experience at the same pace that you transform your core CRM, your core system of record, and that's just the way the world's moving. Steve: Well, I love the idea that one of the challenges that CRM has always had, of course, is user adoption. It's one more place they need to go to do something. Outlook app helped with that, getting data into CRM without them having to actually go to it. It seems like yet another way for people to engage with their CRM without actually realizing they're engaging with their CRM. Charles: Exactly. Yeah. It's almost like ambient... Yeah for sure. Sorry. Yeah. I say it's almost like ambient CRM basically. How do you make it so that, instead of the user goes to your CRM, the CRM goes to the user where they are. And the outlook app was the beginnings of that. Some of the Team's integrations we've done are the beginnings of that. And that Viva Sales and that whole Viva idea is how do you elevate it? So anywhere you go, your CRM data is accessible without you having to go to a different user interface. Steve: Very cool. Very cool. So I ask you every time we get on a call about exciting features that are coming up. And in particular, maybe even some features that have launched, that didn't take off the way you thought they would and people are just missing something. We have this problem with our app sometimes, people don't understand and so they don't move forward, and it would be perfect for them. And I'm sure there's lots of features and capabilities that you guys broke a sweat building, and know in your heart, this would be awesome, but people don't seem to be getting that. What's a good example of one of those? Charles: I'd say a product which we've had a capability, where we've had a lot of customer usage from a small number of customers, but very deeply and with huge impact, and we wish were with more customers, is probably Conversation Intelligence. I'm not sure if you've seen that around the Sales app, and where that actually will sit in inside of say a phone call or a meeting and help you generate action items, and summaries, and coaching, and help you understand sentiment, and listening and talk ratio. We've used that internally at Microsoft with great success. So our digital sales reps and the folks who work our phones, they are diehard fans. We have this amazing video we released a couple months ago where we actually went out and interviewed these digital sales reps and their managers, and they just were going on and on about how great it is. Charles: And that's rare where you hear that about a piece of technology for a seller. And we have a few other external customers that have gone through that same journey, where they have a thousand digital reps, 2000 digital reps using this and just in love with it. But it's not as pervasive as we thought it would be at this point. And it's one of those things where, it's a product discovery, and easing people into the capability, because then you got to go out of your way to enable it and configure it. So we're doing work now to simplify it, and make it more accessible to more users. And we're doing that partly through Viva Sales, like conversation intelligence, the major capability of Viva Sales. Charles: And the second thing is also, there's even some culture aspects to it. Because if you use it, it's generating transcripts and recordings of a call, and not everyone's necessarily super comfortable with that. So we're even working about how do you enable more features without having to record the call, and how do you enable capabilities without having to get a transcript? Or how do you make it more natural to say, "Hey, I have a sales co-pilot thing. Are you okay if I enable it?" So there's a lot of interesting things, it's never just a technology problem. It's also a discovery and a, I'd say, change culture management problem. Steve: Yeah. I think that's been the challenge with anything AI really. A lot of people, it seem to think it might be a little too futuristic. They look at the benefit and think that's really cool, but they have no idea how to get it. And AI just in general, doesn't feel that approachable to people, even though in certain cases, it's extremely approachable. You don't have to do anything, it's approaching you. So it's a learning curve, you got to wait until my generation dies off and then you guys will see. Charles: I don't have as myopic of you, as you Steve. But I would say that, the big thing that we have to do is, there's been this evolution of AI where the AI is going to be something that automates away what humans do. And what we've realized is, AI is not even remotely close to being able to do that. But what AI can do, is it can turbocharge the people that use it. And so what we're trying to do is, how do we go expose these AI capabilities in a way where you or anyone else who uses them feels so much more productive. And just like when you first got the ability to use PC or a spreadsheet, you're like, "How did I exist before?" We're hoping we'll get to the point where, once you start using some of these AI assistive capabilities, like we've done in Conversation Intelligence, you'll be like, "How did I ever do a customer call before? And I had to take notes on paper while listening as opposed to having the AI take notes for me?" Yeah, exactly. Steve: I'm terrible about that. I'll be chicken scratching over here while I'm talking to people, and then we get off the phone I look at and I can't understand a word I wrote. Charles: Yeah. I like post-it notes next to my desk where I'm always writing stuff down. Steve: Yeah. So what else cool's coming on the horizon that we should be... That sounds like the Conversational Intelligence has been around. Sounds like Viva Sales is going to really bring that to the masses, so that one's on a path. What are some other new things that we should pay attention to that you're able to talk about? Charles: Yeah. Another one of my favorite things, which we've started to reveal some capabilities going back to last Ignite, so November of 2021. And we have some big announcements planned for the second half of 2022, is the new Contact Center related capabilities inside of Dynamics Customer Service. We have Omnichannel, we announced integrated voice, the Nuance acquisition closed, and the Nuance contact center AI team joined my group to align with customer service and contact center. So there's a lot of really exciting innovation happening there. And I'm really excited about the potential to make it super easy to get a comprehensive customer engagement story, without having to wire up eight different pieces of technology and do a ton of different complex integrations. So that's a place where there's a lot of innovation, there's new capabilities, Omnichannel, Power Virtual Agent, even the same type of conversation intelligence applied to support cases, Nuance for their Gatekeeper, which is identity and authentication verification based on voice and biometrics. Charles: There's a lot of cool stuff in that space. And that's one of the places where so many of the customers we work with are trying to improve the customer experience, and to go reduce costs. So I say that's a place where we've had a lot of exciting announcements over the last six to nine months, and we have a whole bunch more planned for the next six to nine months. So I say, stay tuned. And I won't say more than that to avoid getting in trouble by leaking information. But I just say, that's a place to really pay close attention. Steve: Who knew call centers could be cool? Charles: Yeah, exactly. Who would have thought that I'd be talking about contact centers, and how it's the next generation or next frontier of AI applications in 2022. Steve: Oh, well. Well I do have to thank you guys for the low-code advances you've continued to make in that platform. It actually allowed us to launch a, I think we're the first ones to try this, a new Service as a Subscription. Which includes awesome includes deployment, customization, training, everything except development code, which as you know today in so many of these projects, there's so little, if any of that. Charles: Yeah. Steve: Just a few years ago, if you tried to offer something like this, it really would be little more than a support agreement. But now, we're deploying, we're building, we're customizing, we're building entire things for customers all on a monthly subscription. It's an interesting concept, and hopefully I don't go broke, but... Charles: But you know what, it's fascinating. I literally was talking about this with the Power Platform team this morning. About a future where we'll have more partners who are able to sell a comprehensive service agreement, which includes the cloud hosting licenses, but also some incremental custom development and also ongoing maintenance and support. And it'll be almost this whole new industry, which will push a lot of innovation to the edges of the ecosystem, right? Steve: Yep. Charles: Not built by Microsoft, built by partners who really understand particular regions, particular industries, or particular segments. Like y'all are targeting a space where we're not trying to go take Dynamics, CRM, and go bring it down there. You can go build a world-class experience on top of our platform and provide a very much all-in-one, which exactly serves the needs of that audience and that market. And we can stay focused on building the super horizontal platform, which has great performance, great usability, incredible power, those types of things. Steve: Yeah, it sounds great. I'm glad that we had the same idea you guys did. I'll let you know, in a few months, if it was a smart one. Time will tell. Charles: Yes. Yeah. Steve: So, how are the rest of the team doing? It seems like some folks have moved around a little bit in the org, who's moved where? Charles: Yeah. So one of the big things we've been really focused on the engineering side, for the engineering organization, is bringing together strength from a product perspective that target the same type of user. And for example, we have a new customer experience platform team underneath Lori Lamkin, who leads all of our Dynamic Sales apps. So the Core Sales and Viva Sales, as well as commerce, as well as marketing, as well as customer insights. And it's very much focused on revenue generation, customer journeys, customer experiences. And what's great is by bringing those assets together, we have a great answer for B2B customers, as well as B2C. Like if you want to have self service, no touch eCommerce experience with lightweight telesales, you can do that all with those sets of applications. If you want to do a high relationship, high touch B2B sales process, you can do all of that. You're not going to use commerce, but you're probably going to use customer insights and sales, and maybe a little bit of account-based marketing. So we brought together these things, which are solving similar problems under a single leader. And that way the engineering teams can go back and forth between these different places to finish out full end-to-end customer journeys. And so that's a big area that we've spent a lot of time on, and that's a place where it's really the biggest and fastest growing category for us in the Dynamics 365 application portfolio. So that's one interesting example. Jeff Comstock, folks may know him. He's been around Dynamics 365 for a while. He continues customer service, he leads omnichannel, he's done some of this great expansion around the contact center for us. Ray Smith leads our supply chain team. So that includes things like more supply chain. Steve: So Ray moved? Charles: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He by way of acquisition to SAP then moved. He worked in Dynamic Sales for a bit, where people may have known him. And now the supply chain, and really helping us be this new data driven, AI powered, supply chain story for core supply chain execution. Then we also had some exciting announcements around process advisor and the minor acquisition to help turbocharge that. Or Georg Glantschnig who leads our finance room of the house. And basically we call the room of the house, is the collection of products which focus on serving the CFO and the finance department. And that includes the Suplari acquisition, which we had done a couple years ago, as well as the Core Dynamics, 365 finance, HR, and project operations products. Charles: So you can see how we started to build these critical paths around particular departments and particular lines of businesses with our products. And in addition to that, we also of course have Power Platform to support all of it. So it's amazing to see these things come together and converge. And we've been on this incredible run of innovation around Dynamics. I was counting it earlier this year, 29 different products in Dynamics, and really coalesced around these specific areas where we have a lot of energy, and also very well understood. I'd say synergies between the products that we have. So I'd say exciting times. Very exciting times. Steve: Customers are starting to understand it better also. Business Applications was the same thing for a long time. Then it spent the last five years reinventing itself every month, and new things exploding out of Advanta. And I think a lot of customers were having trouble just keeping up with... It's like little whackamole for them. And it takes a little time for customers to absorb what's happening, and what it's for, or what it does, and then to adopt it. And we're seeing that now. We used to have to go out and promote Power Apps to people who didn't understand what this was, or why it was. And now it's the opposite. They always come to us, looking for Power Apps, looking at those sorts of things. So that understanding seems to have finally permeated down to the customer level. But boy, it took a while. Charles: Yeah. It warms my heart. And I would say one of my favorite books is by Jim Collins, 'Good to great.' I always recommend it to folks on my team to read it. And he talks about this idea of the flywheel. It takes time to get a flywheel spinning, for the first period of time it looks like it's barely moving, but then eventually it's going super fast and it's just a blur. And you need to be consistent, and convicted, and believe in the strategy and the approach. And what's amazing about BizApps is for the last four years, we've been on the same mission, the same vision, the same ambition. And we just spend all the folks in advance at turning that flywheel, turning that flywheel. And it's started to reach that blur phase where it's spinning so fast, you can't even see it. Charles: And this, this all started years and years ago with a ton of work, but we're really at that magical moment where customers know what Power Platform is. Customers know that Microsoft gets customer experience and customer engagement. They know that Microsoft can help them optimize their supply chain. And what the good news is once that thing is going, it really builds upon itself, and I think it'll only continue that momentum further. And my favorite story is, I used to always do these executive briefings at Microsoft where we have executives come in from our customers to Redmond and we have a briefing center. It's very nice. And I would always say, let me talk about Power Apps and low-code. Charles: And everybody gives me a blank stare like, "What the heck is Power Apps? What the heck is low-code?" I go in those meetings now, and people know what Power Apps is, and they know the low-code strategy. And the only question is, "how?". Not, "should I?" Or "if?" "How do I do it with you, Microsoft?" And so different from three years ago. So anyway, so you're exactly right. A long winded answer, but I'd say it's exciting to see all of these things come together, and the benefits of just consistently repeating a message that resonates with customers. Steve: I would say at least three quarters of my customer calls today, they're bringing up right out of the gate, "We don't want any development. We want to do everything low-code, no code." So this is coming from the customer side where we used to have to explain to them what low-code, no code meant. Now they're coming demanding, "I only want low-code, no code." I think that they've come to this realization that, while low-code, no code might not be easy enough for your mom to do, it doesn't require a developer, and code does require developer. And once you've got this little blob of code in your environment, it's a black box for you. And so they don't want any of these black boxes. They want everything to be accessible. Steve: Use your knowledge to build us something complex out of low-code, but then I can still go back in there later and manipulate it, adjust it myself, or our team. So they have absolutely bought into that. And I know we originally, a lot of us partners were concerned early on that this was going to reduce the workload for partners, while our workload is more than it has ever been. Although the developers on the bench don't stay as busy as they used to. We've completely pivoted the team from developer heavy to now, we haven't even got a good title for them. A citizen developer doesn't sound right. We tell customers that, but citizen developers is what we've got so... Charles: This guy we found on the street, or gal found on the street, we just asked them to start building out. But no, it makes sense. There is almost this new role which is, it's not just pure coding expertise, it's technical development concept expertise. But even more importantly is business process and solution expertise. And that fusion of those two skill sets, that's the magic. That's what makes it special, because you understand it. Steve: Yeah. The challenge that we have with this brand new model that we just launched, because, first of all, being the first one out there is not always good because people have no idea what you're talking about. They're trying to compare it to other things. But we've got this little caveat that it's all you can eat, everything, except development code. And trying to define what that is hasn't been easy, and you get these customers coming in, "Oh, we're going to need a lot of customization. So this isn't going to work for us." And so you may need a lot of customizations, but you don't need any "development code". Charles: Yeah. Steve: And getting them to grasp that development code and customization are not synonymous, not even close. Charles: Exactly. Steve: Development code is a very small component today of customization. And once I think that they understand that, then we'll probably see more partners coming into a model like this. Because it makes a lot of sense for customers, makes a lot of sense for partners. Charles: Yeah. And if you go look at building solutions that last a decade, this is to your point, code is this little black box opaque thing, which is hard to maintain over time. If it's no code, low-code, it's easy to open it up and reconfigure as business requirements change. And it's how you build solutions that last. And I think we're getting to the phase with business software where customers are expecting to make long term technology bets. You're not going to replace your CRM every five years from now on. It's like building manufacturing plants and warehouses. These are big investments that you need to be able to amortize over a long time, to justify. And so I think to your point, no code doesn't mean no flexibility, no customization, also doesn't mean no agility. It just means you're doing it in a different way. Couldn't say it better myself. Steve: All right. Cool. Hey, listen, I'm going to let you go. I really appreciate you taking the time out of your day here when I caught you, to chat with me about this stuff, always fun talking to you Charles. I'm going to call you in four months and ask you about Viva Sales for the platform. Charles: Sounds good. Sounds good. Steve: I've got you on record there. Charles: So really appreciate you taking the time, giving me a ring, Steve. Hope you have a great rest of the summer. Steve: All right, man. Have a good one. Charles: Yep. You too.  

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There are some big changes going on here at OTB behind the scenes. Steve is proud to announce that he's started a new partnership with Real Brokerage, giving him a new place to hang his license and pursue new business opportunities. This change in business brings up a subject that all Real Estate agents eventually will go through: what does it mean to change brokerages and when does a move like that make sense?   Relationships, Leadership, and Resources   The simple truth about where you, as an agent, choose to hang your hat is personal preference about an organization's potential for relationships, leadership, and what resources they offer. When you're just starting out, how you prioritize these three aspects might be different than what you might prioritize if you were more seasoned. The importance you place on these three roles may change, but in the end you'll still want to consider your personal preference in their importance.   Know Who You Are, Know Who You're Not   Knowing who you are and understanding who you are not so important to understanding what you need from a professional relationship. Remember, with any move like this it's also important to ask yourself ‘how is this a smart investment in my professional development?' Have reasons for why you didn't stay at one brokerage and think about how those reasons are answered by the new one. Don't let flashy promises of quick money blind you to what is important to you and your future.   “At the end of the day, your brokerage is going to be your personal preference for reasons. And you're either moving away from something or you're moving towards something, and you need to make that decision before you do it.” – Steve   “I think it's about getting specific about the things that you want instead of just talking about splits.” – Bernie   If it's working for you, and it's making you successful and it's filling your cup, yeah, then stay there totally. But do not make changes based on money and splits because the grass isn't always greener on the other side.” -  Steve   “Who are the people that you can really grow your business with that are also on the same side as you, right? You're in alignment in terms of your practice, and you can help each other and not like in this kindergarten manner, but more on an entrepreneurial level? Who are your power partners within that brokerage?” - Bernie   Steve's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stevedvalentine/ Bernie's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bernzpix/   You can find us on all the major Podcast apps: Apple Podcasts, Google, Spotify, Stitcher, and more! Subscribe to be notified when new episodes are live and leave us a review and 5-star rating to help the show grow!

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Land Academy Members Self Start Accountability Metric to Insure Success (LA 1097) Transcript: Steve:                   Steve and Jill here. Jill:                          Hi. Steve:                   Welcome to the Land Academy Show, entertaining land investment talk. I'm Steven Jack Butala. Jill:                          And I'm Jill Dewitt, broadcasting from sunny Southern California. Steve:                   Today Jill and I talk about how Land Academy members have self-started an accountability metric to ensure their own success. Jill:                          I love it. Steve:                   Who the heck wrote that title? Jill:                          Wasn't me, because the word metric was in it. Steve:                   What does it mean? What it means is some smart person in our group started a Facebook group called accountability, Land Academy accountability. And the people that join it, you know it's an invite only or it's like requests only, how that works. Jill:                          It's a secret group. Steve:                   And they- Jill:                          It's not secret now, sorry. Steve:                   It's not secret anymore. When certain people start off on stuff like this, everybody knows this. It's hard to stay on track. Stuff happens. Like you got to pick up your kids from school or whatever. Your job gets in the way. So this is an accountability group to make sure that if you commit to sending out, it's kind of like Weight Watchers, you are going to get weighed in ... I don't even know how the Weight Watchers works. Jill:                          I can tell you. Steve:                   How does Weight Watchers work? Jill:                          There is a weekly weigh in. It's true. It's actually funny. Steve:                   I'm choking myself laughing. Jill:                          Why Weight Watchers came from, but okay. Steve:                   So what happens in Weight Watchers? Do you say I'm going to lose a pound or I'm going to stay on this diet? Is it like, let's see how this goes next week on the scale or I have a goal in losing a pound? Jill:                          Well you have a goal. Well, in the old days when I did Weight Watchers way back when, like you kept track, it wasn't on our phones back then and you kept track of it, you had points and you could eat so many points a day. And then once we could go to meeting and you'd weigh in and meet with your person, they say yay and you'd sit down and someone would talk and then you go home with a bunch of recipes. Steve:                   So does everybody like not eat the day before? Jill:                          Oh, I'm sure. Oh yeah. And they like drink a lot of coffee. Try to get things going before you go to the meeting. And like were your thinnest, lightest weight clothes, like don't wear a sweatshirt that might weigh something. It's so funny. Take your shoes off. Steve:                   So I don't, I'm not a member of this group. I think you are though. Jill:                          Oh, I was. Weight Watchers way back when. Steve:                   No, no. This accountability group. Sorry, I changed gear. Jill:                          No, no. Steven. I am actually not currently a Weight Watchers member. I do however support, always support Weight Watchers. I am not a Weight Watchers member at the time. Are you telling me I should? Steve:                   No. It has nothing do do with- Jill:                          Is this about the chump? Steve:                   No. Yeah. You don't ever want to talk about any woman's weight. Jill:                          That should be the stump the chump, like do you bring up Weight Watchers with a woman? Steve:                   Sitting next to a woman on your own show, do you even bring up Weight Watchers. What kind of idiot would bring up Weight Watchers? Jill:                          And then ask me questions about it. Like,

Continuing Disaster Movie Month, Steve & Izzy are joined by What Were They Thinking? Podcast to discuss the 2015 classic "San Andreas" starring The Rock, Carla Gugino & their heavenly offspring Alexandra Daddario! Will everybody think this is the greatest movie ever made? Or just Steve? Who's the best singer? How many podcasts will get shout outs like Besotted Geek, Home Video Hustle and Rough Giraffe? Only one way to find out! So kick back, grab a few brews, steal a mode of transportation, and enjoy!   What Were They Thinking? - www.wwttpodcast.podbean.com  Twitter - www.twitter.com/eilfmovies Facebook - www.facebook.com/eilfmovies Instagram - www.instagram.com/eilfmovies Etsy - www.untidyvenus.etsy.com 

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Should we stop advertising jobs to everyone and instead zoom in on the people who are our followers, fans and advocates? We speak to Steve Ward who has pioneered a new approach to talent attraction. Questions for Steve: Who are you and what do you do? “Recruit Fans, Not Candidates” - please elaborate What’s a step-by-step approach to recruiting fans? Talk us through how you worked with Velocity Partners and Doug Kessler? What are some pitfalls to avoid? What’s the ROI on hiring fans (as opposed to candidates)? What companies are doing it right? Where can people connect with you? Read the show-notes article and more at http://employerbrandingpodcast.com

Host Lisa Kiefer interviews documentary film producer Joe Inderhees about his "Bay Area Revelations" series that examines the brave, brilliant, and eccentric visionaries of the Bay Area. By focusing on a particular movement, theme, or event that transformed the Bay Area into one of the most vital and innovative regions in the country, these ten one-hour documentaries tell the untold stories of the people, places, and moments that have shaped the Bay Area into the unique region it is today.TRANSCRIPTSpeaker 1:Method to the madness is next. Speaker 2:You're listening to method to the madness at biweekly public affairs show k a l x Berkeley celebrating the bay area innovators. I'm your host, Lisa Kiefer. And today I'm interviewing documentary producer Joe Inder. He's the executive producer and co-writer behind the popular bay area revelations series. [00:00:30] Welcome Joe. You're the executive Speaker 1:producer and co-writer of bay area revelations. And these are one hour episodes narrated by Peter Coyote that tell the untold stories of the people, places and moments that help make the bay area such a special and unique place. You are not from here, you're from Cincinnati, Ohio. What was your first experience here? Speaker 3:My first bay area experience was running Beta breakers and right. [00:01:00] So I didn't realize all that it entailed, but now you've got, you know, a guy in a gorilla suit and then next to naked guy. Well we don't, we don't have that in Ohio. And you know, you start running and you'll see everything that's going on and then you hit golden gate park and I mean that park is remarkable. There's a waterfall in it and then you look over and there's bison in the park. And literally I stopped and I thought to myself, totally, you ain't in Kansas anymore here son. This is a really [00:01:30] cool place. And from that point forward, I have just fallen in love with the bay area and [inaudible] Speaker 1:I'm from Illinois originally and I had the same experience here when I moved out it was, it was rev Latori sure. So good name. Speaker 3:Sure. And, and so when we decided to come up with some content, who's we? The station. So here's, here's kind of the, the genesis of how it, well, how, how it happened. We were in a room probably a little bit bigger than this studio [00:02:00] and there were a group of four or five, six station thought leaders. Okay. The general manager, the news director, I'm the brand director, those kinds of folks. And the idea was put on the table, what content could we do that no one else is doing? That could be an original proposition. And as with most things in the bay area, you start throwing out ideas and it's just pop. And Papa, Papa, Papa, Papa, Papa, papa, silly potty, right? Like that's how things happen [00:02:30] here. And so that's Kinda how it happened here. Well, I don't know if it's just here, but I know that it feels like it's here more frequently and with greater passion. Speaker 3:And then I think what really happens here that is unique is not only do you use then say silly potty, but then you go do it. I think in a lot of places they have the big idea, but then somewhere along the way the execution falls off. Um, either people [00:03:00] run out of time, run out of money, run out of support, um, run out of the runway to fail. May Be afraid. Exactly. Yeah. Um, obstacles get put up in place and I think in the bay area, those obstacles are taken down more than they're put up. So we, we come up with this idea of doing a documentary series and they say, ah, so how many episodes do you think you can do? They, so how about six in the first year, six hour long documentaries in the first year I say, oh, [00:03:30] okay. It's pretty ambitious. Speaker 3:And pretty ambitious. And the goal is, our goal for this is Ken Burns meets 30 for 30, which is the ESPN series. And if you are not watching that you can, you can dislike sports. It's just great storytelling. I watched the one on the OJ Simpson. They did a great job. Remarkable. You'll look at the credits at the end of those shows and they go on for days and bay area revelations. It's, you know, it's a very spartan crew. [00:04:00] Um, but we do try to hit that, hit that mark. And um, we developed a couple of different show ideas. Um, you know, big themes. We had the first one kind of land in our lap. And what was that? That the first one was the super, the super seven and this was on the seven Superbowl winning teams. NBC had the Super Bowl that year, so it was natural, right? Speaker 3:We're going to air the Superbowl and then we're going to air the super seven. And so that was very natural. And then the other thing that, that came right to the [00:04:30] top was political and social movements. When you think about the things that the bay area exports, political and social consciousness is at the top of that list. And again, these were things that being an outsider, you just becomes obvious. It becomes obvious. It's like as, as these are not so much about the people but about the movements. Well th they're the people behind the movements, but one of the best parts about the first one was everybody knows the score of the Games, right? Everybody knows how the game [00:05:00] played out. But Jerry Rice told this story of before his first Superbowl, he fell asleep on a training table. He was in that space. He was that prepared. Speaker 3:And that was the point that we were trying to make was that if you're prepared for something, if you're readied for it, if you've been training your whole life to be there, then yeah, you're scared cause it means something to you. And that's exactly what Jerry said, but there's this calm that can wash over you. And I think that that was illuminating. [00:05:30] The ones I watched, what I liked about it was, it's not the obvious people all the time. You get these, the smaller, I call them smaller, they're not small people, but people I hadn't heard of. Right. It's how do you find them there? There's some things that obviously immediately come to mind there. Some people that obviously immediately come to mind when we did the political and social movements piece, but you've got to go after him. So we went and you go out and get these people or do you have a team? Speaker 3:Researchers? So not me. It's you. It's me [00:06:00] and, and um, my editor and photographer, Alex [inaudible] and my co-writer and co-producer, Jim Gaughran that it's the three of us. And you're the one that goes out and gets the people. Yeah, I am the chief fishermen. So that requires a lot of research to get to the bottom of things, you know, research and then really some salesmanship. You have to get people to give of their time. We don't obviously pay for interviews. It helps when you're selling something to believe in the product, I believe in the product. How did you get Peter Coyote? Which [00:06:30] in and of itself to me was impressive. Well, first of all, anything that you write that then Peter Coyote reads sounds 10 times better than it is. Literally. I agree 100% he's from here and he's like the west coast distributor of involved in the bay area. Speaker 3:There is nothing that the guy hasn't experienced or isn't it somehow some way connected to, so he's our first audience. He was the first outside person to read the script and one of our goals [00:07:00] is to, while he's reading the script, say something along the lines of, I was there for that and I didn't know that to surprise him to, to have him learn something because he was so involved. So he read your script and immediately said, well, I want to be a part of know. In the beginning we didn't have anything. We had nothing. We had an idea, we have an idea and a promise that the thing was going to be good. And I contacted his agent, who's a great guy by the name of Jeff Dannis, uh, down in southern California. And I pitched him [00:07:30] the idea and I just kept selling it. Speaker 3:What turned Peter on originally was the fact that it was locally produced content about the bay area. And that's unusual, isn't that there aren't that many locally produced documentaries from a network television network perspective or a network television perspective. I don't see anybody else doing it in this market, so I can say no, no one else was doing it in this market. There was independent filmmakers, what network television [00:08:00] or what television that work invests an executive producer and a world-class photographer and editor and a world-class writer to this sort of product that isn't on television every day. Now. It's not an everyday newscast, which is our core business. NBC Bay area decided that they would invest, that it would invest serious resources to bring this project to bear. And that included Peter Coyote on the head. He actually was part of many of the movements. Yeah, so he, he [00:08:30] loves it here and he knows what he's talking about. Speaker 3:So that's how we got Peter. We can, I was able to watch half of these and I want to talk more about those, but how do you watch this? If you don't have cable or you don't pay for cable? Let's say you're a student at cal and you hear about this, how would, how would I watch it? Can you watch past episodes somewhere? We're trying to get them up on demand, but you'd have to have cable for that. They don't live online. And here's why. [00:09:00] The rights fees for photos and music, the licensing go through the roof. As soon as you start putting them online. At this point we're not going to see them. They're going to be on demand on infinity, on come on Comcast. Exactly that going to happen. We're in the process of figuring that out as we speak. Okay. So hopefully soon the shows have shelf life. So even the food episode, right? The culinary journey episode. Every year our bay area restaurants are awarded [00:09:30] the beard award and you know, a new restaurant opens by Michael Mina or Alice Waters gets honored by the president or some such thing. Well these people were all in our episode. Yeah, that was a good one. So it would be great for us to be able to post on Facebook, hey look at this thing that happened and if you want to learn more about that person, watch this episode on demand search bay area revelations. Speaker 1:Well it's good that you guys are going to do that because I know there are a lot of people like me in the bay area that don't necessarily watch TV. [00:10:00] Right. And so being able to watch that, I'm telling you I really enjoyed it and I want to talk specifically about two towers. Okay. Which just aired. Sure. And it is about the rivalry and friendship between Stanford and Berkeley. And in fact calyx is mentioned in that because the Oakland A's team owner, Charlie Finley made a deal with calyx way back in the day, 1978 to air their baseball games for a short while. But it was actually run out of Calex at by a couple [00:10:30] of students. And Larry Bear being one of them who was a junior at the time and he's featured in there. And the a couple of other guys back to the roots, Alex and Nikau, who were on our, our method to the madness show early on when they were just getting started. So let's talk about the genesis of that. What is the difference between Stanford and Berkeley? Speaker 3:Here's how we framed the episode. Every time we would do another piece, we kept finding that things had roots at either Stanford or cow [00:11:00] or ucsF or San Francisco state or San Jose State. It happens in news stories. There's a huge news story. The president has a shortlist for Supreme Court nominees. There's three people on it and two of the three have some sort of bay area tie. It can be the most random stuff. Nobel prize winners. Some guy that did this incredible research project in Israel. Well he got his phd at Bay Area University name it, right? So we thought about this idea [00:11:30] of the bay area being an educational nirvana. And then inside of that, right beneath that was this idea that you have one of the top private institutions and the top of public institution in Stanford, in cal. So let's tell their stories. We named it the two towers because of the two iconic towers say their tower and Hoover Tower. Speaker 3:What we did not want to do, what we avoided purposefully is this rivalry idea because it's not that the two universities [00:12:00] live in their own unique spaces and they are outstanding in and of themselves. And there's a lot of collaboration. Yeah. And, and, and you don't have to compare yourself or measure yourself against one another. You are outstanding on your own. And what I learned as we were writing the thing as we were researching, as we were digging into what do we want to talk about, I had this con, this idea from the minute you wake up and turn on [00:12:30] your, your smartphone and you look at Google news and then you look at the wais app to see how long it's going to take you to. Well, Google Stanford Ways app Berkeley from them. From that moment forward, all that you touch is informed in some way by one of the two universities. Speaker 3:And that was the sense that we wanted to give the viewer. And you gave it a beautiful sort of connection too, by showing the organs that have played in each and I didn't know that you could slitter [00:13:00] that they can see each other and also what was inside. If you can talk about what was, what's inside each tower that was really interesting. Sure. At Hoover they have the, the library of war, revolution and peace. And these are, this is memorabilia. Ephemera was the word that we used, this collection of documents, propaganda related to war. We told the story of Herbert Hoover as a Quaker being so anti war that he wanted [00:13:30] to create a library that kept people from committing war. Please see the outcomes of not peace and aim for peace. And that's what's in the Hoover tower. In addition to their marvelous bells that are played by Timothy and um, who is a tremendous character and they've been played for generations back. Speaker 3:And then in say their tower are these bones prehistoric tarpon from the labrea. Tarpits you know, you want [00:14:00] to talk about every diggers dream. There are all of these bones, saber tooth tigers and mastodons and you name it, the creatures that roamed California before man was walking upright, exist floors of them, dozens of them inside say their tower. So y'all walk by it every day and they have amazing organ concerts. Oh yeah. And, and those guys that [00:14:30] play those bells are something else, man. They're fantastic people. One of the things I noticed about the episodes I saw is that many of them started with the gold rush. And I wanna talk about that because that seems to be the starting point for a lot of innovation and ideas in your series. 1849 is kind of the, I mean that's the launching point of the state. Speaker 3:People were coming out here, but not in the way that they did once they realized that there'd be gold in them there hills. So it was a natural [00:15:00] launching point and it brings that sort of gravity, if you will, that sort of gravitational movement brings so many different people. You've got, you know, the guy that's down on his luck and then you've got the, the wealthy prospector and then everybody in between. And a lot of diverse ethnic groups. Exactly. Which created the different food movements. It really did make me think a lot more about that as a, as a jump off point, right? It's its own social movement. And I will be, you [00:15:30] know, just just frank with you and pull the curtain back a little bit. It got a little formulaic, we got a little, I'm kind of stuck in that, that we would launch from there and each of these episodes and if somebody is going to watch the series one after the other and it's like, oh my God, we're starting at the goal by the third time. Speaker 3:Like if they're starting at the gold rush again, um, you know, come on guys, come up with something different and we felt that and you don't as a, as a creator, you know this, right? As a creator, you don't want to fall into just a formula. You want to keep [00:16:00] pushing yourself, even if it's working. You kinda want to try to break it. Yeah, it did work for the ones I saw actually because you drew a line from that point and a very clear line. And so that that worked. I watched passion to preserve, which is about the environmental environmental movements here. That was great because you didn't talk about all the big names. Well John Muir you talked about, but you talked about people I didn't know. Who did you like? I really liked the Monterey Aquarium people. I had [00:16:30] no idea how that got started. Speaker 3:Maybe you can talk about that a little bit. What I wanted and what we wanted was the thing that is accessible to folks. So one of the things that you do when you moved to the bay area new is you hear, Oh, you got to do this, you gotta do that. You gotta go here, you gotta go there, and then all of a sudden your weekends for the next six months are full of all this stuff you got to do. The Monterey Bay aquarium is one of those things that everybody tells you to go do. I remember going there the first time with my mom and [00:17:00] my wife and just being blown away by the thing like this is super cool. So when the idea for an environmental show comes up, I thought we got to tell the story of the aquarium. Everybody from here goes there and you take your kids and then they take their kids and it's this generational thing at this point that was the idea was to give people something to give the viewer something that they could access in their own personal life. Speaker 3:Relate to that. There is a bay area connection and you talk about, absolutely. Steve Webster was our interview subject and he was one of the cofounders. [00:17:30] He's a character. Yeah, he's a great guy. But he said about Kelp. Oh yeah. I've got to think like a calc was saying, how did you design this? He said, you've got to think like you gotta learn. And he got that from wheeler north who was a scientist that they collaborated with. The story goes that Steve Webster and a couple of his classmates were sitting outside of the, their classroom, their, uh, the Stanford annex down there at Monterey Bay and they're looking across at this defunct cannery [00:18:00] and they think to themselves, well, it'd be nice to turn that into a little aquarium, maybe put some fish tanks in there and that'd be cool. And they're having a couple beers on a Friday night and one thing turns to the next. Speaker 3:And one of Steven's buddies happened to be dating Nancy Packard and Nancy was a marine biologist and they start chit chatting and then all of a sudden, Nancy's dad, David gets involved and says, well, you know, if you're going to go, go big, all of a sudden they had means. [00:18:30] So now they had a dream and now they had means. And the two things came together and the Monterey Bay aquarium was the result and it was by magnitudes larger than their greatest estimate. They funded a study, you know, research project to see how many folks would come through there. And it blew the doors off of that estimate and has been going strong ever since. And it's a real jewel. Yeah it is. You're from Cincinnati, Ohio. Do you think being a, so to speak, outsider [00:19:00] has helped you to see these icons, movements people a little easier than someone who's grown up here? Speaker 3:I think that the things that maybe someone who was from here takes for granted, you know, as just always being there. Someone from the outside looks and goes, well I wonder how that got there. How'd that happen? I wish, I wish my hometown had that. The real thing that being an outsider has and I definitely am one. The thing that that has allowed me to do is be ignorant. It [00:19:30] has given me license to ask very simplistic questions about origin, about start, about inspiration. And I talked to the interview subject and you know, I'll say, you know, I'm not, I'm not from here. So I may ask you a question that may be just you would think is so apparent, but if I ask one of those, just know, please go, go with me. And what ends up happening is they're more relaxed. They don't feel like they need to prove something to me. Speaker 3:They're teaching, they're teaching me something [00:20:00] and then I get to be the curious student, which I am by nature. My Mom's an educator, she's taught English, her whole, her whole life and so she taught me to be, you know, really curious about things. I listened to the interviews back in order to transcribe them. You sounded like a boy, like a child. You, some of you know, 39 year old man and I sounded like there's this little boy, but that's usually the feedback out of that is where the, the untold story comes and openings occur. Yeah, exactly right. And you get people, [00:20:30] Lisa, out of their programmatic answers and into this more personal space. I've got an example of that. The story of, of how gay marriage came to be in San Francisco. So we're interviewing Kevin Newsome in the front part of the interview. Gavin is definitely the former mayor and the lieutenant governor and I'm getting programmatic. Speaker 3:Gavin. And which of your programs was, this was in rebels and revolutions. Somehow something turned. You could just see it happen in [00:21:00] his appearance and his tone of voice. We started chit chatting a little bit about family and about membranous his of his grandfather, and then I asked him what was the spark for this idea? And he tells the story that Nancy Pelosi had an extra ticket to George W bushes, state of the Union address when Gavin had just been elected mayor. Mrs Pelosi Calls Gavin and says, Hey, I've got this extra ticket. Would you like to come? Absolutely, that sounds great. So when you go into the house, [00:21:30] you have to check your cell phones, much like a coat check. So get checks. A cell phone goes, watches the speech. President Bush gives in Gavin's words I half-hearted support of quote unquote traditional marriage speech finishes. Gavin gets in line to get his cell phone and behind him he hears these two women say the words. Speaker 3:It's about time we did something with those homosexuals and Gavin looks at me and he says, for the first time in my life I didn't say anything. I just listened and I listened to the rest of their conversation. And [00:22:00] I thought to myself, this has to end, and I got my cell phone and I walked out the steps of the capitol. Pitch-Black cold, fairly lost, and I called Steve Cava, my chief of staff and said, I'm getting on a plane tomorrow we're going to land and we're going to do something about this. And that's what started it. To hear that story and then to hear the back and forth between Gavin and Steve Who's gay and Steve was against this idea, not only from a political perspective but from a personal one, and he tells the story. He says, to get in, the hardest thing I've [00:22:30] ever done is come out and now you're telling me I have to find a spouse and oh by the way, it not working out so great for you there brother. Speaker 3:That story that doesn't get told that people don't know that the smallest thing that's the match strike. Right. Your next one coming up and it's going to air on August 4th is called the Olympians. In a nutshell, what is that gonna Cover? The Bay area. We're a country. In the last summer games, it would have placed in the top 10 in metal count in a word that's real. It's [00:23:00] really remarkable how many Olympians and then Olympic champions come out of the bay area. So we focus on a couple of them. We focus on some names that you know and remember very, very well. You know, Kristi Yamaguchi, uh, Brian Boitano, uh, Johnny Moseley, and then maybe some names that have gone a little bit forgotten like a Matt Biondi who went to cal, a guy by the name of James Gorin who played a water polo on the 56 Melbourne team [00:23:30] and went to Stanford and coached swimming at Stanford. Speaker 3:And then of course we talked to Terry McKeever who is a coach because all these athletes, all these athletes need coaches. And the Olympic coach is really something else. And Her story is remarkable. Remarkable. Loses her dad at the age of four in a car crash ends up becoming, is a part of a, uh, her mom remarries and becomes the oldest of 10 kids. And a story that unfortunately just hit the cutting room floor yesterday is she gets her [00:24:00] first head coaching job at Fresno state and the head men's swimming coach is trying to tell her when you take your team out on the road, you know, these are the things that you need to do. Now she had 14 swimmers, she's the oldest of 10 she calls her mom and says, this is a piece of cake. This is a family out here. This is easy. Speaker 3:She's remarkable. And then we interviewed Nathan, Adrian as well who's great and is on his way to Rio training out of cow. So that's what it's about. So in 2015 you did six, you have four slated for this year and [00:24:30] there's an episode coming up after the Olympians on Bay area music. And what are you going to be talking about? That's an excellent question. We are literally in right now the outlining stage of the music episode. So you have to talk about Calla. We are still, well, you know what we're talking about is we're talking about radio that will be discussed in the underground radio and campus radio plays such a huge role in that idea and getting new music out there to people. This is a continuing series. [00:25:00] The goal is for it to continue. Yes. You could almost do this in any major metropolitan area. Speaker 3:I'm thinking of specifically New York City. I'm thinking of Boston, Cambridge, mass. You've got MIT, Harvard. Have you guys thought about expanding this series to other cities? Sure. Comcast NBC owns 13 stations across the United States and I've been in conversations with another market who's interested. Their newsroom is interested in doing a series like this there. You know? That's the fun part is when you get a call from a [00:25:30] colleague that you respect who says, hey, how did you guys do this? And then to get them excited about it and to tell them, you're going to come to this fork in the road, don't go left. We went left. It was terrible. Stay, stay right. They kind of guide them. As an aside, I watched the artists, which is all about the bay area art movement, but I was inspired and I just went to the Derosa museum because of what you talk about in your film and it's an amazing museum in Napa that is full [00:26:00] of s of the best northern California art in the nation, probably the world. Speaker 3:It is such a beautiful place. First of all, thank you for that. And um, that means the world. It really does. To hear someone who's lived here for a long time say that they're learning something about their community. That's the goal. And in every episode that my question, my challenge to myself is what do I want the viewer to feel at the end of this? But I want them to feel it [00:26:30] at the beginning. What do I want them to learn in the middle and what do I want them to feel at the end? Your, for instance, passion to preserve the environmental one. My goal for what you would feel at the end is why in the hell did I just spend an hour inside television when I should be outside exploring and doing? I have to say after watching all of them, I felt almost, I'm not even from here originally, but I felt a pride. Speaker 3:Yeah. You know like getting rid of plastic bags, which is another part of your environmental segment. The people who started that w [00:27:00] you know, they were just regular people and I just feel like there's so much of that here. I am glad I'm living here and I felt like everyone should see this, the power of a person with an an idea, you know, that's the real, the power of one is a real, is a theme that rolls through this series. We are invested in storytelling. Hopefully you enjoy, have schools approached you to use this as a curriculum aid? There's a lot of pressure on a lot of documentarians today to [00:27:30] have an action plan and funding is often tied to that. So that hasn't come up at all? No. Our funding comes from our company so we don't have to revisit something you might be interested in doing? Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, because I think that I thought that immediately when I watched them. David Talbott who we interviewed for the uh, second piece, rebels and revolutions, his book, seasons season of the witch, his book was I think used by San Francisco unified [00:28:00] as there, I think they give one book to the district to read for that school year and we thought that it would be a good companion to this point. We haven't been contacted by anybody, so I think that it would be, I think that it's a natural, you, like you say, once it's on demand, perhaps it will become more of a curriculum aid. Maybe you should talk about how you got started. I got my start out of Ohio University, which is a midsize liberal arts school. I'm in the southeast corner of Ohio, kind of its own [00:28:30] little Atlantis in the middle of Appalachia. I got a phone call from a, an alum who said that there was a sports gig opened in as TV station that was about a mile drive from campus. Speaker 3:So I hopped in my car and I took my resume tape to do the TV station and handed it to the news director who said, well, this looks great. How about an audition? I said, yell whenever you would like to do it. She said, how about now? And so I hopped on the desk and got an audition and got a job before I graduated college, which was really [00:29:00] unique. I just kept saying yes. So that's my, my first piece of advice to people is just keep saying yes. When someone asks you to work a holiday, say yes. When someone asked you to work overtime, someone asks you to learn a new skill. Just keep saying yes and the doors will continue to open for you. You just gotta be passionate about it and not foe passion. I mean the kind of passion that allows you to wake up at six o'clock in the morning, go do a shoot, write your story, [00:29:30] Edit your story. See your story on television and then go bartend down the street in order to make ends meet because you're not making any money. I don't know that it's ever been more important to be good at what we do as journalists than it is right now. If somebody wants to communicate with you, email or otherwise, it's just Joseph Dot Inter. He's at NBC uni.com. All right, Joe. Well, thank you for coming on method to the madness. Speaker 3:[00:30:00] You've been listening to [inaudible] Speaker 2:method to the man. Tune in again in two weeks at the same time. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.