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Patrick McGee has written the definitive book on how Apple supercharged China's development into a global manufacturing colossus and leveraged its relationship with Beijing to become one of the most iconic consumer tech brands in history. Now, the author of “Apple in China: The Capture of the World's Greatest Company” joins POLITICO Tech guest host Phelim Kine to break down how Apple's reliance on China has become a toxic codependency that has trapped the company at the center of U.S.-China trade tensions that have upended a decades-old business model hinged on a “Made in China” export production model. Phelim Kine is POLITICO's DC-based China and Indo-Pacific Affairs correspondent. Nirmal Mulaikal is the co-host and producer of POLITICO Energy and producer of POLITICO Tech. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Federal Communications Commission will meet today with a new Republican majority after the confirmation of former Capitol Hill staffer Olivia Trusty. That's likely to boost Chair Brendan Carr's Trump-approved agenda as he ramps up scrutiny of TV broadcasters and social media platforms over perceived conservative bias. On POLITICO Tech, reporter John Hendel joins host Steven Overly to explain the political makeup of the nation's chief communications regulator and what to expect in the months ahead.  Steven Overly is the host of POLITICO Tech and covers the intersection of politics and technology. Nirmal Mulaikal is the co-host and producer of POLITICO Energy and producer of POLITICO Tech. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joseph Gordon-Levitt has been called a “Luddite” and “anti-tech,” but the actor, filmmaker and entrepreneur insists he's actually dazzled by artificial intelligence. He just has qualms with the tech companies building it, and how they're compensating people for their work and data. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly met up with Gordon-Levitt on the sidelines of an Aspen Digital event in Washington, D.C. to discuss AI's consequences for creatives, and what he wants from the tech industry and from policymakers. Steven Overly is the host of POLITICO Tech and covers the intersection of politics and technology. Nirmal Mulaikal is the co-host and producer of POLITICO Energy and producer of POLITICO Tech. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mississippi is trying to position itself as the “Digital Delta” — a hub in the American South for artificial intelligence development and data centers. It's one of many states that largely missed out on the internet boom and are now looking for AI to boost their local economy.  On POLITICO Tech, Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves joins host Steven Overly to discuss how his state is trying to seize the  AI moment, from energy production to workforce training. Plus, they discuss how policy being set in Washington, from the proposed moratorium on state AI laws to the crackdown on international student visas, could impact his state.   Steven Overly is the host of POLITICO Tech and covers the intersection of politics and technology. Nirmal Mulaikal is the co-host and producer of POLITICO Energy and producer of POLITICO Tech. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sen. Todd Young (R-Ind.) is big on investing in research in cutting-edge technologies, especially artificial intelligence and biotechnology. But lately, that's put him in a position of pushing back against the leader of his own party, President Donald Trump, who has imposed steep and swift cuts to federal research funding at agencies and universities. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly sits down with Young for a live interview at the AI+ Expo in Washington to talk about that tension and more.  Steven Overly is the host of POLITICO Tech and covers the intersection of politics and technology. Nirmal Mulaikal is the co-host and producer of POLITICO Energy and producer of POLITICO Tech. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Vice President JD Vance told a crypto conference this week that the industry “finally has a champion and an ally in the White House.” And, he's right. Since taking office, President Donald Trump has largely reversed the industry's fortunes in Washington. But the industry's fortunes are now Trump's fortunes, as the president and his family plunge deeper into the digital currency business. That's starting to concern some Republicans and crypto lobbyists pushing the industry's agenda. On POLITICO Tech, POLITICO capital markets reporter Declan Harty joins host Steven Overly to explain why. Steven Overly is the host of POLITICO Tech and covers the intersection of politics and technology. Declan Harty covers U.S. capital markets and regulation of Wall Street for POLITICO. Nirmal Mulaikal is the co-host and producer of POLITICO Energy and producer of POLITICO Tech. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

House Republicans narrowly passed President Donald Trump's “big, beautiful” reconciliation bill, including a provision that would block states from enforcing new AI regulations for a decade. The proposal, which now heads to the Senate, has backing from industry but faces fierce opposition from state attorneys general and AI safety hawks. Even some opponents of tech regulation worry the moratorium is too broad and too long. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly unpacks the proposal with Sam Hammond, the chief economist at the Foundation for American Innovation.  Steven Overly is the host of POLITICO Tech and covers the intersection of trade and technology. Nirmal Mulaikal is the co-host and producer of POLITICO Energy and producer of POLITICO Tech. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A large contingent of Silicon Valley CEOs followed President Donald Trump to Saudi Arabia this week, where a number of them announced billions of dollars in AI-related investments and business partnerships. Mohammed Soliman, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, says this is the new Middle East — where the relationship with the U.S. is driven by tech and innovation, not just oil and security. On POLITICO Tech, Soliman tells host Steven Overly how this new arrangement benefits tech companies and Gulf nations — and why it's necessary if the U.S. hopes to stay ahead of China.  Steven Overly is the host of POLITICO Tech and covers the intersection of trade and technology. Nirmal Mulaikal is the co-host and producer of POLITICO Energy and producer of POLITICO Tech. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The saga over control of OpenAI took yet another turn this week when the ChatGPT maker announced it will no longer try to splinter off from the nonprofit that controls it. But critics of that plan, including former OpenAI employee Page Hedley, aren't exactly taking a victory lap. On POLITICO Tech, Hedley joins host Steven Overly to explain why the latest news still leaves some doubt about OpenAI's commitment to its founding mission of building artificial intelligence that's good for humanity.   Steven Overly is the host of POLITICO Tech and covers the intersection of trade and technology. Nirmal Mulaikal is the co-host and producer of POLITICO Energy and producer of POLITICO Tech. Alex Keeney is a senior audio producer at POLITICO.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

President Donald Trump was sworn into office just over 100 days ago. And ever since Inauguration Day, tech industry leaders like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg have been a regular presence at the White House. But the start of Trump's term — from tariffs to antitrust trials to DOGE cuts — has been rocky for Silicon Valley. On POLITICO Tech, reporter Brendan Bordelon joins host Steven Overly for a debrief on Trump's first 100 days in office, and a look at what's to come in the next 100. Steven Overly is the host of POLITICO Tech and covers the intersection of trade and technology. Nirmal Mulaikal is the co-host and producer of POLITICO Energy.  Alex Keeney is a senior audio producer at POLITICO. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg spent hours in a Washington courtroom this week answering questions about his decision to buy Instagram and WhatsApp more than a decade ago — and whether the social media empire he now oversees is a monopoly. Losing the high-stakes lawsuit, which was brought by the Federal Trade Commission, could ultimately lead to Meta being broken up. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly unpacks Meta's week in court with former Republican FTC Chair Bill Kovacic. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Washington is looking to regulate how kids use the internet with legislation that could alter how online platforms collect data, monitor content and design features. Roblox has a lot at stake in that debate — with some 90 million daily users, many of them young kids, who flock to the platform to play games and socialize. On POLITICO Tech, Roblox CEO Dave Baszucki joins host Steven Overly to discuss how the company aims to stay ahead of regulation. Plus, his take on the recent tariff turmoil and his bid to buy TikTok. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After days of stock market mayhem, President Donald Trump pulled back most of the tariffs he slapped on U.S. trade partners. But not China. Trump upped his tariffs on China to 125 percent — the latest shot in a rapidly escalating trade war. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly talks to Nazak Nikakhtar, a former Commerce Department official during Trump's first term and law partner at Wiley, about the ways in which the tech industry is vulnerable to Beijing's retaliation, and why she thinks the economic pain from these sky-high tariffs is necessary. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's Washington without Elon Musk? That's a question many Republicans are hoping to answer in the weeks ahead after President Donald Trump told allies that Musk's time in the White House is soon coming to an end. But getting the world's richest man and designated  small-government crusader to move on will be complicated, even if Musk does have a slumping business empire to run. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly is joined by POLITICO Capitol Bureau Chief Rachael Bade and POLITICO contributor Issie Lapowsky to break down the political and business pressure Musk is under, and why he'll stick around as a political power player long after leaving D.C. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“Liberation Day” arrived at the White House and President Donald Trump, as promised, slapped sweeping tariffs on the world. But what comes next may be less predictable — especially for tech. From the TikTok sale to digital services taxes, tech issues are now a bargaining chip as countries negotiate with the Trump administration to ease tariffs. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly chats with Michael Froman, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations and former U.S. trade representative, about what Liberation Day could mean for Silicon Valley. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Greenland's “Great Race” isn't just a dog sled competition. It's increasingly a hunt for critical minerals and AI data centers — two national security priorities for President Donald Trump and a business opportunity being pursued by some in his orbit. On POLITICO Tech, E&E News reporter Hannah Northey joins host Steven Overly in the wake of Vice President JD Vance's controversial visit to explain why Greenland could help address major tech challenges facing the U.S.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Were the messages “war plans” or “attack plans”? Was the information classified, sensitive or something in between? If you put aside the spin around Signalgate, security experts warn secret military operations shouldn't be shared on commercial messaging apps like Signal in the first place. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly discusses the tech implications of this week's White House fiasco with Graham Brookie, the Atlantic Council's vice president of technology programs and a former National Security Council adviser. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

President Donald Trump has many  U.S. allies on edge, but you wouldn't know it from talking to Peter Kyle, the UK's secretary of state for science, innovation and technology. He's a relentless believer that the UK and U.S. will join forces on artificial intelligence and other cutting-edge technologies. But his rosy vision faces real obstacles, like the Trump administration's criticism of the UK's digital taxes, and its free speech record. Plus, Elon Musk's very vocal disdain for Prime Minister Keir Starmer. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly called up Secretary Kyle at the end of his recent West Coast visit to discuss. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Silicon Valley's bet that a Trump administration would be friendly to tech has a big payoff: Vice President JD Vance. At the American Dynamism Summit this week, Vance spoke at length about bolstering U.S. innovation and manufacturing, and bridging the divide between so-called “populists” and “techno-optimists.” The summit was hosted by venture capital firm Andreesen Horowitz, which became the tech-for-Trump poster child during the election. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly sits down with Katherine Boyle, the co-founder of Andreessen Horowitz's American Dynamism practice. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This Elon Musk-made moment of government upheaval has some business executives seeing dollar signs, and that includes Matt Calkins, the CEO of software company Appian. Calkins contends there are billions of dollars to be saved in how the government buys stuff, but reforming that process requires “the most powerful digital worker ever invented” — artificial intelligence. On POLITICO Tech, Calkins tells host Steven Overly how he thinks AI can tackle the government's waste problem, and why Musk and Washington must find a way to get along. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

François-Philippe Champagne, Canada's minister of innovation, science and industry, says America's northern neighbor is “not like some small country that you can push around.” That's why Champagne is in Washington today with other Canadian officials seeking an economic reset after a week of tariff-fueled tensions with the U.S. On POLITICO Tech, Champagne joins host Steven Overly to discuss President Donald Trump's trade war and the potential impact of Canada's new prime minister. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nick Viall became famous after appearing on The Bachelor and The Bachelorette — but used podcasting to turn reality TV stardom into lasting relevance. So last week, YouTube brought The Viall Files host to Washington to teach political staffers how to tap online creators to spread their message. Coming off of last year's “podcast election,” Viall says the medium has gained new levels of media credibility and that candidates need to win over listeners like his in order to win votes. On POLITICO Tech, Viall joins host Steven Overly to discuss podcasting's breakout moment and why not every politician is cut out for it.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, President Donald Trump put tariffs in place — again. He then walked most of them back — again. The administration's erratic trade policy is also causing a great deal of anxiety in California, where the state budget depends on ample tax revenue from the tech industry. On POLITICO Tech, California tech reporter Chase DiFeliciantonio joins host Steven Overly to explain why lawmakers and economists from Sacramento to Silicon Valley are so nervous. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Three Army brigades have been trying to prove that the future of war can be cheaper — even before Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency came in demanding budget cuts. The brigades are part of a program that outfits soldiers with off-the-shelf tech that doesn't take years to build or cost billions of dollars to buy. On POLITICO Tech, Gen. Randy George, the Army's chief of staff, discusses plans to expand the effort and hurdles to overcome.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's been said that software is “eating the world.” But Catherine Bracy, the founder and CEO of TechEquity, says tech investors are actually reshaping the economy. And she explains why that's a problem in a new book, “World Eaters: How Venture Capital is Cannibalizing the Economy.” But the influence of venture capital now reaches into our politics and government. On POLITICO Tech, Bracy tells host Steven Overly why she thinks venture capital is eating the world… and Washington. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joshua Zeitz is a historian and best-selling author who thinks America is living through a second Gilded Age. A period that is reminiscent of the late 1800s, when railroad and banking magnates held enormous sway over the economy and government. Except today, those moguls build social media sites and rocketships and electric vehicles. On POLITICO Tech, Zeitz outlines the parallels between then and now — and explains why the outcome isn't great for Republicans if history truly repeats itself. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Anne Marshall resigned from her role as director of engineering and data science at the U.S. Digital Service last month. The decision followed staffing cuts by Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency. “This is not the mission I came to serve,” Marshall wrote on LinkedIn at the time. On POLITICO Tech, Marshall tells host Steven Overly about her decision to leave and what she thinks everyone is missing about DOGE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The U.S. and UK will negotiate “a new economic deal with advanced technology at its core,” UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer said on Thursday at the White House. The details of the arrangement remain an open question, but President Donald Trump added it could get done quickly. On POLITICO Tech, London-based trade and technology deputy editor Joseph Bambridge joins host Steven Overly to talk about potential sticking points. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ann Lewis has seen the government waste a lot of money on bad technology. As director of Technology Transformation Services under President Joe Biden, her office was tasked with revamping and updating government technology. Lewis says there's a version of Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency that could have been bipartisan (and less controversial). On POLITICO Tech, Lewis tells host Steven Overly how she thinks Musk should do things differently. NEW Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Big Tech is hoping President Donald Trump will lighten up on antitrust enforcement after four years of heavy scrutiny under the Biden administration. But so far, there are few signs of a change. In fact, recent policy announcements from the Federal Trade Commission suggest internet and social media platforms will remain under the microscope. On POLITICO Tech, Cato Institute senior fellow Jennifer Huddleston joins host Steven Overly to discuss tension among Republicans over antitrust and dissect some of the early action in Trump's second term Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The most striking outcome of this weekend's German election wasn't the actual winner. It's that one in five voters backed the far-right party, Alternative for Germany. Elon Musk heavily promoted the AfD in the lead up to Election Day, and the party leaned on AI-generated content to amplify its nationalist message. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly chats with reporter Emily Schultheis in Berlin about Musk's influence and what the results mean for transatlantic relations. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Since taking office last month, President Donald Trump has been driving the tech agenda in Washington. Now, Congress is slowly starting to get back in the game. But the politics around Big Tech are shifting — and some once-vocal critics are softening up. On POLITICO Tech, reporter Anthony Adragna gives host Steven Overly the download on what's happening on Capitol Hill.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Elon Musk's army of government reformers are making sweeping cuts across federal agencies, and the changes often start with getting ahold of the data. That has raised questions and legal complaints about whether the Department of Government Efficiency is mishandling all the sensitive data it's now accessing. POLITICO reporter Adam Wren wanted to find out whether the data could be funneled into Musk's businesses. On POLITICO Tech, he tells host Steven Overly what he found. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When it comes to online political culture, few personalities are as influential as Joe Rogan, host of the popular Joe Rogan Experience podcast. And if you tune into the show these days, Rogan is a breathless defender of Elon Musk and his controversial role reshaping government. POLITICO's Calder McHugh reports that's driving away some of Rogan's long-time listeners — the fans who made him so impactful in the last election. On POLITICO Tech, McHugh joins host Steven Overly to explain Rogan's predicament and why other online personalities face a similar challenge.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Senate confirmed Howard Lutnick as the next commerce secretary, meaning the former Wall Street CEO will soon be shaping President Donald Trump's second-term tech agenda. During Trump's first stint in the White House, Satya Thallam was a senior counselor in the Office of Management and Budget. And he's now shaping tech policy through roles at Americans for Responsible Innovation and the Foundation for American Innovation. On POLITICO Tech, Thallam joins host Steven Overly to dish on what he expects from Lutnick and other tech players in Trump's orbit. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

President Donald Trump's nominees are trudging through the Senate confirmation process, including Gail Slater, his pick to lead the Justice Department's antitrust division. Slater is a well-known entity in Washington tech circles. But she could soon have a pivotal role in shaping Trump's antitrust response to tech's market power — a sore spot for the industry's big players. On POLITICO Tech, reporter Mohar Chatterjee joins host Steven Overly to break down Slater's antitrust approach. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Vice President JD Vance laid out an “America First” vision for artificial intelligence at the AI Action Summit in Paris earlier this week. He told world leaders and tech executives that the Trump administration will focus on building AI, not “handwringing” over safety. And he warned Europe and China not to stand in the way of U.S. tech dominance. Alondra Nelson, a professor who co-authored President Joe Biden's AI Bill of Rights, attended Vance's big speech. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly called Nelson in Paris to get her reaction. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We've talked a lot lately about tech leaders cozying up to President Donald Trump. Well, Democrats are now fighting to reclaim their place as the party of Silicon Valley elites. Or at least, trying to stop more rich tech dudes from drifting to the right. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly talks with national political reporter Elena Schneider about House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries trying to woo Silicon Valley donors, and how hard the party still needs to work to win over skeptics.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Samantha Radocchia, known more widely as Sam Rad, is an anthropologist and tech entrepreneur who thinks a lot about the future, and has advised organizations like the United Nations and Federal Reserve on how to prepare for it. Society is moving toward a decentralized “operating system,” she says, one that will scramble existing institutions of power. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly talks with Sam Rad about her new book “Radical Next,” and the role she sees for tech and government in the “post-human world.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As Elon Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency pursue sweeping cuts across federal agencies, the Trump administration is also scaling back efforts to confront election disinformation. Several officials in the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, a political target of Republicans since the 2020 election, were recently put on leave. On POLITICO Tech, cybersecurity reporter Maggie Miller joins host Steven Overly to detail the quiet cuts and why others at the agency are worried about their futures.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

World leaders and tech luminaries will be flocking to Paris in the days ahead for the AI Action Summit. These global gatherings started over a year ago, but since then, the international AI agenda has shifted dramatically. The focus on mitigating the technology's risks is now all about rolling it out fast. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly talks to AI pioneer and professor Yoshua Bengio about the state of the AI safety debate, and why he's urging leaders not to give up on it.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

President Donald Trump may have hit pause on tariffs against Mexico and Canada, but his trade penalties on China are still in place. That includes a 10 percent tariffs on all Chinese imports, including consumer electronics and other tech products. On POLITICO Tech, host Steven Overly talks to Chad Bown, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, about the implications for tech companies and online retailers in both the U.S. and China. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Elon Musk is moving fast to dismantle and downsize federal agencies. But his Department of Government Efficiency is drawing scrutiny from privacy and cybersecurity advocates, not to mention Democrats, who fear its employees may be mishandling government data. On POLITICO Tech, Alan Butler, president and executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, breaks down his concerns about DOGE and whether it could be breaking privacy laws.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DeepSeek has stoked fresh concerns in Washington about America's standing in the AI race. But the real policy action is happening in the states, where legislatures are moving faster than Congress to regulate. Andreessen Horowitz, the Silicon Valley investment firm with ties to the Trump administration, is now warning against a medley of AI laws — and wants the federal government to preempt states when it comes to regulating the technology's development. On POLITICO Tech, the firm's head of AI policy, Matt Perault, joins host Steven Overly to explain. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices