I wanna jump like Dee Dee

Over the last 10 years, I've been undergoing a - for me at least - massive transformation and I've been thinking a lot about what identity means – the identity that I present to the public, the identity that I present to my friends and family and the identity that I present to myself. With that comes a need to face yourself if you are going to find freedom. Our brains like to compartmentalise things and I think this is why we often get defined by society by our work or what we do. I mean, who hasn't felt their blood run cold at the question “So, what do you do?”… “well, I'm an accountant and I'm also a grindcore enthusiast”. Whaaaaat?? The reaction of horror! And we start to believe how we get defined, it gets normalised.And it's the same for music genres – it's easier to compartmentalise - they're hip hop, they're prog, they're folk, but it's so reductive.So the whole definition of oneself becomes an inhibiting self fulfilling prophecyI know for me it took courage to be comfortable with self-evolution, to transform myself according to what my body and mind is telling me and to ignore the voices of society to whom I had presented versions of myself. And only when we all have that fluidity, that freedom in ourselves, can we get to a world where the destructive forces subside and we make progress. The music of Dalila Kayros is like an evolutionary odyssey…from the beginning to the end of a song, of an album and, when I think about it, an entire catalogue. For me, Khthonie - the latest album - achieves a remarkable portrayal of perhaps what it's like to be in a world that is transforming and equally what it's like for oneself to be transforming  – moments of turbulence and tenderness, it feels like I'm on a precipice staring down into a black hole, there's the mysticism, the beauty, the fantasy, the malevolence, the fear and the euphoria. I want to pick one track - Corpus Sonorum – which closes the album and, for me, sonically depicts the knife edge on which we live, how quickly and easily we can descend into hell. Or are already on our descent into hell. From a spiritual perspective, it feels like the soundtrack of Kali Yuga and a manifestation moral decline and self-destruction. Maybe you'll feel differently, but it really is a remarkable piece of work - as is the whole album.This entire conversation with Dalila and her long term collaborator, Danilo Casti, is an education on improvisation, experimentation and dealing with being outsiders. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- cover art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

So here's a couple of questions for y'all…how much do you think improvisation, self-consciousness and self-belief are connected? How do you get into that flow state where inhibitions are shed? And can an improv state of mind be a skill that can be learned?I'm asking this with a bit of self interest as I have two practices that I've approached from completely different directions – cello and graphic design. And I am, as usual, probably overthinking things, but I do wonder how these work alongside my natural instincts.Karl Bielik makes art and music, both of which, to me at least, feel rooted in a mind where lawlessness, turbulence and spontaneity rule. I really enjoy the feeling of dislocation and uncertainty and surprise from listening to his music and it feels like improvisation and experimentation plays a strong part in his work.Earlier this year, his music project, Lark, released its first album for 7 years. It's called Be Still and it's another beautifully unpredictable, unnerving collection of ideas and inventiveness that, like the rest of the catalogue, displaces me, yet draws me back in.This is a really fun and enlightening chat and I hope you learn as much from Karl as I did.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- cover art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

It's fascinating to look back at the catalogue of band like Crocodiles , not that there are too many bands like Crocodiles. There's the consistency – the tunes, the hooks, the harmonies, the feeling of escapismThere's the unexpected – the sonic departures, the reinvention, how they make a new Crocodiles record always sound…just kinda Crocodiles… how they throw you an entire record of covers that blows you to the moon and then deliver something that confounds you but doesn't in a kind of “how the fuck do they do it?” kinda way..…they hit you with Upside Down In Heaven, which, for me where I am in my life now, is my favourite.Anyway, Brandon Welchez is now also getting stuck into a new project –  Psychic Pigs  – and it's this adaptability to doing new things, working with different people and in ways that are possibly a little bit alien, getting out of your comfort zone, this open mindedness to take on new challenges that really interests me and I hope you'll really get stuck into what Brandon has to say.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- cover art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

The opening paragraph of Justin Pearson's first book “From The Graveyard of the Arousal Industry” tells a story of how, when his mother had just given birth to him, that another new mother asked if she wanted to swap babies – her Frank for Justin. I'm not sure that JP himself is sure of the truth of that story, but hey, we live in a world where fewer and fewer people, certainly in government, media and other esteemed corporations, give fewer fucks about whether they tell the truth, so I kinda feel that it's my turn to say that doesn't matter if this story is true or not. Whatever…it almost feels like it could have been a pre-cursor or metaphor for his life where weird shit – good, bad, absurd and indifferent and everything else you can define as weird - often finds a way to his front door.There are just way too many stories for even my brain to compute, but I guarantee that reading each of his four books will make you look at your own life, and, afterwards, perhaps the temptation to buy that latest AI infested fridge freezer appliance might be met with a little less enthusiasm. Or perhaps you'll just think Fuck That and crack on and buy it. Who knows, the world is very unpredictable. Talking of which, for me it's the unpredictability of what's gonna emerge from Justin's open-minded creativity that gives him such a unique, positive energy. You can't predict what he'll be cooking up next and who with – maybe he can't either perhaps because that creativity comes from instinct - but you know that it's going to be exciting and you know that you will want to experience it, be part of it, whatever. Dig in to this with one of the world's most subversive creatives and wonderful humans.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I remember starting an Arts Lab a few years ago – just before Covid started actually - with a group of people here in London, based roughly around the counter-culture arts labs of the 1960's – Jim Haynes was the main guy behind that movement. The idea was to bring together people who wanted to challenge the corporitisation of the arts, draw, socialise, talk about culture, put on cultural events or fuck around.I wanted to be a part of it but I didn't know why. I mean had terrible insecurities about my ability to draw, sketch or paint…even as a classically trained cellist I had terrible imposter syndrome about being a musician. Probably explains why I petulantly packed it in…At the first Arts Lab meeting, It was Youth from Killing Joke who said something that has always stuck with me and that was “the first thing you need to do is call yourself an artist, forget everything else”. I struggled with this – particularly with the whole identity of who I was. I certainly didn't feel like a creative. Even now doing my own graphic design, I feel like a bit of a fake – especially when I compare myself to others - but I am getting better.Of course, Youth was right. Allowing yourself that self-affirmation is really the start of your self-belief journey.Neeraj Kane is so synonymous with, and important to, the hardcore scene and I was excited to find out if he has faced these issues and how he has navigated them through his life.His musical footprint can't be overstated. Every band he's been in - like The Hope Conspiracy, The Suicide File, Hesitation Wounds, Godcollider - has produced music that is so incredibly potent and addictive in its structure and melody and the absolute precision of its attack. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Allen Saunders was an American writer and cartoonist who once said “Life is what happens to us while we are making other plans”.It was later popularised by John Lennon in his song, Beautiful Boy.Saunders first said this in 1957 and I guess how I see this is that many of us still spend time planning ahead, creating goals and objectives, trying to weed out uncertainty, only for that uncertainty to keep coming back, those unexpected things to happen which can derail our plans – either for better or for worse. If I think of a few things that have really changed my life (outside of my kids), they came about by chance, I couldn't have predicted them or planned for them. They just happened.Like when I first discovered punk rock – when I was 11 or 12, my mum and dad's neighbour, with no real prompting, handed me a compilation with Judy Is A Punk on it and that was it – the Ramones changed my life….and not always for the good my dad would have saidOr how my parents starting to get ill a few years ago was a completely unexpected catalyst for me to get back into playing the cello. Never thought it would happen.Serendipity, synchronicity, karma, energy…. how these things work together to open our mind to new things, to new ways of doing things, to new people, new ideas, really interests me, and only makes me firmer in the belief that our mindset is the most important asset we have for grasping these encounters and shaping who we are.So, with their excellent second album as Venamoris imminent – it's called To Cross or To Burn - I was thrilled to welcome Paula and Dave Lombardo and they very kindly indulged me in my incoherent ramblings. This is a really beautiful chat about their own tales of taking chances, the unexpected, self-belief, instinct, and their life journeys both individually and together.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Whilst conducting my meticulous research for Gail….I was taken back to 1980 - my year of transition that was painful, perplexing, exciting, scary – a tussle between my heavily Top of The Pops Top 40 oriented collection, my classical cello playing and a new, emerging, Through The Looking Glass world of punk, post-punk and hardcore. Not easy bedfellows for 12 year old me, I can tell you.One of the songs in that struggle was Xanadu by Olivia Newton-John and Electric Light Orchestra. I think that the new punk crowd that I was gravitating towards would have sent me much further than Coventry had they known that this record was in my collection, such were the no cross-genre rules.  So what does this rather tedious story have with today's episode? Well, it's as tenuous as you'll have come to expect. After growing up adoring her music, Gail  holds the accolade of and standing on stage with Olivia Newton-John and a huge orchestra playing Xanadu in front of thousands of genuine fans. This connection, however tenuous, feels in some way serendipitous, and actually rather glorious in a way that only music can be. This is just one part of an incredible, pioneering – and I don't use that word loosely - life journey that's led to three solo albums and a whole raft of collaborations with people like Lenny Kravitz, Gwen Stefani, Tears For Fears, Gang of Four, Boy George, The The and, of course…. David Bowie. Gail Ann Dorsey - a wonderful songwriter, composer, bass player with a voice to die for and wonderful human.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Before I started this podcast, I was kinda rudderless. Didn't know what I was doing with my life. When this idea came up, the feeling was “Who will want to listen to me talking about mindset, about my worldview, blah blah blah”… I was dragged into doing it…my self-confidence and self-belief were pretty low. I've talked to amazing artists, many of whom, with incredible bravery, bare the inner sanctuary of their own mind through their music and, in particular, their lyrics. So, here we are: 4 years into this podcast and I've learnt so much about myself.  it's been incredibly cathartic for me to have these conversations, not least it's helped me face my fears and it's forced me to face myself. There are still those moments when the self-belief looks at me and goes “Really?'. I think that the world is incredibly complex, uncertain and volatile. Definitive answers are so much harder to come by, reality is challenged, answers to big questions cannot be condensed into one sentence soundbites, which is what our feudal tech overlords demand from us. I know that there may never be answers to some questions, where things are out of my control, where I need to challenge an outdated definition of perfection, yet accepting this in how I live my life can be challenging, especially as I get older and I become more risk averse in some aspects of my life, yet paradoxically willing to take more risk in other aspects. As I write this, Sophie Jamieson is about to release her second and utterly beautiful album called I STILL WANT TO SHARE, which, to me, captures this complexity and uncertainty of our world and pitches it against our innate human needs for simplicity and certainty. Our chat here about her album and her life raises some fascinating observations.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Over the last few years, I've been heavily influenced by some of the work that my partner has been doing around decolonisation, particularly in the field of yoga. It's led me to think about how this applies to music and my own relationship to music. I've realised that my own classical cello training from way back when, the exams I did, the framework that I was expected to adhere to, were a western, colonised version of what the instrument represents. Whilst it gave me a lot of technical abilities that have stayed with me through years of inactivity with the instrument, the restrictions of this approach has actually followed me through life and it has had some detrimental effects and I noticed this when I picked it up again a few years ago. I'm still thinking within the confines of that framework. But, when I first heard the music of cellists like Abel Selaocoe and the music of Tashi Dorji, I heard an unrestricted redefinition of their instruments and what their music can represent and a mind that's free from so much of the colonised, capitalistic world. It felt like their stream of consciousness was washing over me. They have been inspirational for me to try harder to overcome the obstacles that I have with reconnecting with the cello and make it into an instrument that works for me, not for the establishment. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

When I got into thinking how mindset and, in particular, how an experimental mindset was fundamental to navigating a complex and volatile world, I was intrigued with the way scientists approached their work – for example, not being tied to goals, or pre-determined outcomes and analysing the data from their experiments – and how this could be the blueprint for our own life journey – living your life as a series of experiments, using the findings from these experiments or experiences to take to the next experience. This then led me to thinking that musicians have long lived with that uncertainty and volatility that many more people with hitherto linear lives are now facing, so I should explore the role that all the characteristics of an experimental mindset has played in their lives. And here we are with this podcast!Ok, so what's the link to Simonne Jones? Well, she is a musician, producer, composer, scientific researcher, humanitarian, visual artist, multi-instrumentalist, public speaker, and since 2021, a Sneaker Pimp (I wish I'd been a Ramone but, hey, wrong time, wrong place and all that. I'm not bitter).To me, this is a fascinating, multi-hyphenate, polymathic approach to living life, one very much in keeping with the multi-stage, multi-experience lives that we are now seeing much more of, effectively usurping the traditional three stage lives of education, work, retirement. It was a privilege to listen to Simonne's amazing journey and fascinating take on the world through the lens of all her experiences and attributes.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I'm always trying to work out why certain artists hit me as soon as I hear them. There are some that are a mystery as to why the fuck I like them. Like, why am I still in love with Anastasia's Welcome To My Truth after all these years?  But I can tell you what I love about N8NOFACE's  @N8NOFACE music – it's primal, raw, subversive, underground, heavy, manic, chaotic, stuttering, exciting, surprising, and propelled massively by so many influences and musical styles that you could easily spend a day amusing yourself reading all these descriptions of his music like synth punk, techno punk, punk-hop, cyber chiptune punk, rave punk, fucking psychosomatic firestarter punk, I dunno. I made up a lot of those. Maybe being so clear about what it is that I adore about his music will help me understand why adore it. I mean, I have a few ideas….His LP, L's Up, is 20 minutes and 10 tracks worth of all of the above and more. I think it's his best yet of what is an enormous output, particularly over the last 7 years or so.NOTE: Since we recorded this episode, he has released Crime Partner….and boy, is that another scintillating piece of work, again showing another departure from previous soundsHis story, to me, is one of never giving up, of the power of just putting your stuff out there, no matter how long it takes you to do it, of just giving it a go and keeping on fucking trying to find your niche, find your tribe of people who love what you do. Doesn't take a genius to work out that Nate is one of those artists that just hit me and I'm really excited to try to understand what's made him the person he is and how he navigates through the world.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I'm really into this notion of music being your friend for life and how certain songs represent a particular point in your life, good or bad. There's one song that sticks in my mind which represents such a dark time in my life. And now, looking back at it, I can see how much I've changed and sometimes it's hard to play that song. I've played and sang other composer's songs in front of people - let's just say that it was a few years ago – and I know that if I sang them now, it would be like getting into a time transporter, but the part I'm missing is writing those songs and how I'd feel if I'd written them and gone through the massive personal evolution and identity shifts of the last few years? The other thing I've found about shifting identity is presenting your new self, presenting things you've not done before, stuff you've not talked about before. It's interesting how some people will be used to the “old” version of you and how they react to the “new” version of you – or perhaps that should read the “real” version of you. And whether the people, whose reaction to all of these things we fear, do actually give a fuck and how we are perceived is all in our mind. Moreover, why should I care? I went through all of this when I started doing this podcast, started writing, started doing graphic design…ok, so I basically get this whenever I start anything new!Jennifer Clavin has written and released music over the last 20 years or so, with Mika Miko and Bleached, that is raw, beautifully exhilarating and has that ability to take you to your own time and place – I find this so powerful - and is now steadily releasing a bunch self-recorded, stripped down, incredibly personal, lo-fi songs as “dear francis”, the latest evolution in an emotional musical story.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

One of the pages on Leigh Heggarty's website is called “Me Me Me, it's all about me”. A cursory look through this and the other pages would most clearly identify someone who has lived a substantial part of his life very much NOT promoting Me Me Me, rather being very self deprecating and perhaps uncomfortable talking about himself or what he has achieved in life. This all sounds very familiar to me, I've often used self deprecating “humour” to lighten situations where I've felt I'm a bit of an imposter. I'm tons better but it's a battle…. And it is a battle, but a battle for what? It makes me wonder about all the characteristics that make up our very unique personality and why some traits are stigmatised and others – like confidence, self-belief - are seen as the symbol of success, whereas others such a shyness even introversion are not. Is society at large's definition of success fucked up? Please write your answer in no more than 8,000 chapters or just one word. Anyway, you wouldn't notice any of the shyness of childhood when he steps on stage to pick up his guitar - well, perhaps a slightly bashful smile and wave to the crowd - to play with Ruts DC, a band that has already secured a most wonderful legacy and continues to do so with each gig they play and each piece of music that they release.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

As someone who has played the cello in my much more youthful days and is ineffectively trying to resurrect past glory, I fully appreciate Kishi Bashi's love of the violin and the way he uses that instrument in his compositions. You can literally hear it cascading through every release he has done – from the Room for Dream EP to the epic music and soundtrack for his film Omoiyari.  He is an epic multi-hyphenate - songwriter, singer, multi-instrumentalist, film maker, father, husband who has used his creativity, his energy and whole being to produce art that, well, makes you pay attention through the exquisiteness and purity of the songwriting and its humanity.  There have been so many things that have fascinated me, intrigued me, filled me with respect and admiration, not least the ever-present authenticity in his work but also how that work conjures such strong emotions in me. Even though I find myself getting emotional at the smallest things these days – it's getting ridiculous quite frankly – and even more so with some of the horrific acts of prejudice, greed and narcissism that structurally pervade our society - there are still only a few songwriters that can do this. Now, he's back with what I think is his musically most diverse (and that's saying something) LP to follow up the stunning Omoiyari. It's called Kantos and it was really exciting to hear about it all and to delve into some of the mindset topics that I've noticed present in his work, like emotional intelligence, curiosity, resilience and adaptability.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I've long thought about our individual persona or personas and this idea of ever evolving identities …for example, people who have work and non-work personas: the arsehole in work, nice as pie out of work; the surprising competitive aggression at the work social bowling alley do, the extroverted party goer (ok, so there might be some substance impact for that one) – kinda like Henry the mild mannered janitor morphing into Hong Kong Phooey (does anyone remembers that show?!)What does this mean for the authentic you? Who actually are you?I think I've come to the conclusion that the times I've felt uncomfortable with the way I was behaving, was more to do with dissatisfaction with the environment and company I was keeping rather than myself and my identities, so eventually I've taken action to change them.This led me to start thinking about why, for example, institutions, companies, communities, social networks seem to exhibit their own personality and employees, members or whatever can start to take on that personality and behaviours, which might be at loggerheads with their own individuality. How malleable is our individuality? How do we unearth that authenticity, when we strip away the masks and show ourselves devoid of external influences? And do these scenarios exist in bands? And especially in artistic or creative collaborations, which is really the very essence of individuality coming together, how do we as collaborators come together to achieve common goals?Neil Cowley has just released his first record (although it hadn't been released when we recorded this) with his two longstanding friends and cohorts who had so much acclaim as The Neil Cowley Trio prior to its hiatus 7 years ago. Their reunion and reconnection, and the making of this record, perhaps provides some answers to my most mind churning questions!https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Over the last few years, I've been trying to work out why certain things in my life have turned out the way they have. Friendships has been a particular thing that's been on my mind, in particular why I've tended to let some slide. I've had occasions where I've reconnected with lost friends and family and realised just how important they are. Having said that, I do think that the way we handle friendships is kinda different to that of my parents generation, when it was definitely friendships for life. More people live a nomadic life these days, so community is less of a thing, and also I'm much more aware of my own identity shifting as I get older and what's important to me changing and I think this impacts who comes on our own journey with us. I think it makes you realise how powerful your real friendships are.Nicolette Vilar has dedicated her life to the creative arts as a fabulous graphic and visual arts designer and also the singer in Go Betty Go where her close, tight friendships with the band members have been forever, endured the rocky road of life and have, I think, been instrumental in the band reforming and recording their soon to be released EP called Black and Blue. The title hints at the bruises, yet it's self-care, time, friendships – and our old, great mate, music - that help you heal. #musicpodcast #experimentalmindset https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

One of the things that I was looking at about 7-8 years ago was the growth of the term ‘multi-hyphenate' and how, with us living longer lives (well, that was the case up to 2019, I think Covid has probably affected that a little), more people – and across all ages - were moving away from the stable job, linear career trajectory and into a more multi-hyphenate way of working which involves doing more than one thing, often 3/4/5/6/7/8 different things. It struck me that many creatives, particularly musicians, have always had so many aspects – roles if you want - to their lives – songwriting, playing, producing, poetry, art, promotion, DJ'ing, band management, tour management, running a label, marketing – and that if you're gonna hold up an example of what a multi-hyphenate life looks like, musicians would be it. It's the DIY ethic that blew up when punk started and has filtered into a whole way of being for future generations.You can't really talk about a multi-hyphen life without talking to Tara Rez. She's doing all of the above and more and more, including her own band, The Duel, inspired by punk rock, free of any clichés, rules, boundaries and 100% free spirited.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

So, as hopefully my faithful and long suffering subscribers will know after 120 + episodes, the whole idea behind this podcast is about the importance of mindset and specifically how an experimental mindset can help us to navigate the world today, a world that is becoming more complex, more volatile, full of more and more contradictions and where outcomes are less and less predictable or certain. Within our mindset, I really believe that emotional intelligence is one of the most important attributes that we need. I still find it hard to believe that it's not part of our education systems – well, I don't find it hard to believe actually, because once you start to teach empathy, self awareness, that kind of stuff… the divide and conquer tactics of the ruling elite start to become less effective and their power starts to be eroded. I do believe that it should be taught to kids as soon as they are born, but I realise that there are a whole load of structural, systemic things that need to be worked out. X-Raided. His lifestory is as big a headfuck that you can get.He served a total of 26 years, five months, and 26 days in prison starting in 1992. He's always been very clear and honest about what he did not do on that lifechanging morning and also very clear and honest about what he did do, about the bad choices he made – but it needs to be said, because this shit still goes on around the world, that the foundation of the case built to convict him back in 1992 was constructed on the systemic prejudice against black people and people of colour that had been pumped through the veins of the US through government operations like CoinTelPro with all its nefarious, community damaging tactics based on lies and manipulation. This was the longest consecutive sentence served by any musician ever and just six months less than the time Nelson Mandela served.Whilst he was inside, he produced 12 albums give or take and he continued to create his music when he was released in 2018. Last year's A Prayer in Hell was truly outstanding and as we were recording this episode, his latest, the huge 24 track A Sin In Heaven, was about to be released and it's another hypnotic masterclass in how old school can evolve into the present. It's powerful, distinguished and full of heart and soul.I always like to take a moment to remember that music is always there for you, it will always come with you on your journey and it will always be your friend.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I'm gonna keep this one brief.Stress Positions would have been in the list of identity shapers for 14 year old me. No question. They are hands down one of THE most potent and important bands right now. They will pulverise you with their musical and lyrical intensity. And in 30 years time, people will be talking about Stress Positions as they did - and still do - those pioneers of the 80s hardcore scene. Trust me, they are that good.I'm so very happy to have had this opportunity to talk to Stephanie Brooks, who takes vocal ferocity and progressiveness to a different level.Big thanks to Justin Pearson at ThreeOneG for introducing us.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

As the devoted fans of this small but perfectly formed podcast will know, I'm a big believer that emotional intelligence is one of THE super powers for navigating the world, especially nowadays with all its complexity, volatility, uncertainty and division. It often feels like the critical components of emotional intelligence – like self-management, self awareness, empathy and social skills – are out of reach, I mean I also feel that it's getting out of reach for myself, such is the helplessness and rage that I feel sometimes. It's the hardest time I've ever known for keeping raw emotions in check, at least it is for me.I went to a talk given by John Robb a month or so ago and he posed the question “Do you believe in the power of rock n roll?”. It made me think: Do I? What can music do? Music is always my friend, even when the world is going to shit – and believe me, being in the UK this past week really makes me think it is. It has been and always will be a constant in my life. It's made me laugh, made me cry and dug me out of holes.I've always believed that politics, protest and social commentary belongs in music. So, I always feel positive when I hear about or listen to musicians that care, ones that believe that we need to strive for unity.Marquise Fair is doing just that with music to try and bridge those divides with messages of unity, peace and freedom.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

A few years ago, after I quit my job and decided to go self employed or freelance or whatever, I fell into the trap of trying to start a bit of a hustle which - I still think was a great idea – but was still with a mindset of doing things in “work” mode - how to start something and grow it. It was a bit of a fun concept but I was way too serious about it. It wasn't where my head was at or where it should have been at and it was only through some fairly grumpy and anxiety filled days, weeks and months, that I started to see that. I mentioned that I still think the idea as great, and I do – it was also about mindset. So what I did, with a massive, inspirational push from my partner, was to flip the idea around and do it in a way that was way more fun and involved a bunch of people that I've been listening to since I was a kid: talking to musicians about their mindset and how they've navigated their way through life, Yes, everything evolved into this podcast. If this isn't fun, then I'll go and stand on the naughty step reserved for big fibbers.Anne Tong and Bryce Barsten of Chinese American Bear are my wonderful guests today and, if my dodgy research – just for once  - doesn't let me down, have their own stories around serious and fun and how those two things play out for our creativity and sanity. They have just released their latest single, Heartbreaker, which is a magnificent slice of 60's nostalgic, lo-fi pop and I just have the perfect TV soundtrack for it.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Nostalgia. Such a layered, gamut-running emotion. That experience of having what you lost or never had, of a band that split up before you could see them, of seeing a band in a venue that's now a bunch of this-could-be-anywhere apartments, of lovers long lost, of finding yourself. Then there's the nostalgia for the present, knowing that it won't last forever and then there's future nostalgia where we perhaps blend our past experiences and project them into the future. I'm gonna read out some lyrics from a song by the Buzzcocks called serendipitously….wait for it…..”Nostalgia”“About the future I only can reminisceFor what I've had is what I'll never getAnd although this may sound strangeMy future and my past are presently disarrangedAnd I'm surfing on a wave of nostalgia for an age yet to come”It's wild when you try to get your head round it!Jason Kwan has been heavily influenced by 70s and 80s pop and has brought this into the present with his debut EP, Déjà vu, a magical, romantic and, yep, futuristically nostalgic dream-pop record.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I'm really intrigued by instinct and the circumstances in which it can really flourish. For example, I've been classically trained – admittedly many more years ago than I'd care to mention – and that training can stay with you, or at least the modality or mindset of it can, if not the skills! I also have a tendency to analyse things, which is like watching a political debate – mind numbingly tedious and utterly pointless. I have got far better at going with my instinct – must be that thing of not giving a fuck as you get older. But, it intrigues me how an analytical nature and the pull of instinct have co-habited through my lifetime – it sometimes feels like a metaphor for the many paradoxes that exist in the world today.Instinct is very much evident in the music of my wonderful guest Anna von Raison , a real clash of musical styles and there's a noticeable evolution in the soundscape from her first EP 5 years ago with her latest album - and LP end-of-a-trilogy - Salvation, and makes me think about our own evolution - life, identity and experiences as well as a desire that I think we all possess somewhere – and that's to experiment, let the subconscious do its work and see where it goes.Really enjoyed this conversation with Anna about her life, her views, her ways of being and her honesty about so many things including herself. #avr #annavonraison #salvation #experimental #mindset #iwannajumplikedeedee #musicpodcast #selfawareness #emotionalintelligence #jazz #crossover https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

A few years ago I was going through some stuff with my mum and dad - they were getting towards the end of their lives – and as the only child I was finding it really tough to make the choices I had to make. And having to make these choices didn't stop.  I wrote a piece about friendships and family relationships, ostensibly about my uncle – my dad's brother – and how I felt his presence before I'd seen him walk into the room after having not seen him for many years. I just felt that things were going to be OK, such was his gravitas. His death was a huge loss, but his funeral reconnected me to family members that I'd drifted away from. Anyway, this got me thinking about my whole relationship with relationships and friendships, how I sometimes let them go too easily, how reconnecting made me feel and then trying to trace all of this back to some formative influences or events to give myself some understanding and, I suppose, peace….kinda like DIY therapy that would probably make Laurel and Hardy look professional – and I'm really hoping that I'm not the only one to remember Laurel and Hardy!I feel that human relationships are the one thing that's going to act as the glue to keep us together in such a damaged, splintered and unhinged world and having the emotional intelligence to look inwardly and outwardly about why relationships work, why they don't, why they should and shouldn't is such a super power. Jemima Coulter and Ed Tullett have written their third LP as Hailaker called Serenity Now which is largely  (or not so largely if I haven't done my homework properly!) about their own experiences of disconnecting and reconnecting – it's such a powerful and beautiful piece of work from beginning to end. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

There have been plenty of times when my shyness and tenuous self belief has turned up like the proverbial bad smell. Like the naughty people in my ear telling me why I shouldn't do something. They almost stopped me from taking the plunge and doing this podcast – but I did need more than a push. I'm managing it far better than I used to, but still there a few situations that I get into that I'd rather not have got into. A few weeks ago, I had a complete chance encounter where I got over myself and ended up having the best conversation with a musician and artist whose work I'd admired for a long time.I drive myself nuts sometimes.Anyway, Nick Llobet has lived with shyness, imposter syndrome all the while having a prodigious talent for songwriting - their songs are daring and unpredictable, forceful yet tender, confident yet coy and it's this enchanting kaleidoscope that makes them so compelling. And….thank fuck for those chance encounters and bravery – you might know that they had a very special one themself with Patti Smith that has helped to bring their band, youbet, to the disciples!https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Send us a Text Message.Naël is an artist who has made me realise that I need to up my game as far as awareness of new music is concerned. He has the most incredible voice that brings in influences from soul, gospel, RnB, hip hop, jazz. He has been on tour with the amazing Jeanne Added. A couple of weeks ago, he released a really beautiful track called Roses and is going to release his debut solo EP called Last Words on the 7th June. He has also lived with a loss of hearing. Total silence in one ear and noise in more or less distant snatches for the other ear, meant that he learned to lip read at a very young age. Singing has helped him immensely to relax and find some peace. For me, the human ability to continually adapt to circumstances that we find ourselves in by design or by chance is tremendously inspiring. I'd strongly argue that adaptability is one of the crucial skills that we all need these days.Thanks to Naël for this wonderful conversation and for tackling some difficult subjects with intention and respect.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Send us a Text Message.I'm gonna start with a quote that I remember coming across about 7 years ago now when I started thinking about what we needed as human beings to navigate through what is best described as a 100 year life – and credit to Dr Lynda Gratton for that term – or multi stage life - which is one that breaks away from that model of my parents generation – education-work-retirement - to something much more multi-hyphenate and less linear and one where longevity and technology play a much more prevalent role. I was also having a lot of thoughts about changes in my life at that time, which made me veer from excitement and possibility, through to panic and huge identity shifts. The quote might be familiar to you....'There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have changed.' This was Nelson MandelaI'm saying this as Hua Li 化力 by and large wrote the songs for her second album in 2020…a year which, instead of being a year in which she built on her success and achievements, turned out to be a period of extreme turmoil, grief and disconnection. Fast forward to 2024 and those songs have – after four years - appeared on that second album, called Ripe Fruit Falls But Not In Your Mouth, a wonderfully shapeshifting, almost chameleon-esque storybook - it's wild how the music can veer inter-track from her fabulously sparse, old school rapping style to a more RnB vocal style, each track really showcases her vocal versatility. Each song feels like a journey in itself – an urban journey if that makes sense.Dig in!https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Send us a Text Message.You know when you're listening to a song and, y'know, there's an unexpected chord or tempo change, or something that throws you a bit off kilter. And then there are LP's that throw up another, perhaps unexpected, direction for the artist – even for an artist known for their eclectism -  maybe some influences that you hadn't heard before. Then there are LP's where the LP as a whole is whacko eclectic. And then…. there's Psymon Spine, the band of my guest Brother Michael…....who take it a step further and shift ground mid-song like it's as natural as making a cup of tea – and, of course, why not…break the mould, paddle against the tide and all that.Take their ridiculously good new LP, Head Body Connector and let's take the track AntiMatter Kid whose sounds (and I'm gonna break all my own anti-genre rules here) veer from psychedelic rock, punk rock, indie rock with the most thrilling guitar – it's The Osees on ketamine (not that I would know what that might be like of course) - into an 80's Blame it On The Boogie discofest. And by the way, it's absolutely coincidental and serendipitous that the K reference resurfaces a couple of tracks down when Ketamine Hot Tub appears.Those feelings are what music is all about. In my opinion of course!It feels to me like Psymon Spine has a personality and identity of its own as distinct from the band members. Maybe that's too wacky to contemplate. Maybe it does run its own Instagram page. Imagine what that would look like!https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Send us a Text Message.DRAGG has been releasing music for around 12/13 years now; a brand of sparse, West Coast-y hip hop, tinged with RnB and soul, all the time showing a progressive approach and high degree of emotional intelligence in the subject matter and how to connect with his audience. His story is remarkable, not least because he lost his sight early in his life…but he has navigated the many obstacles he has faced with persistence and resilience, wearing his heart on his sleeve as the saying goes. He's made some really telling statements on some of the real challenges of being an artist in 2024. And he's done it in front of camera as well for the hellscape that is social media, which always gives me a feeling of awe! His latest 8 track album, Mixed Feelings, came out in April 2024 and it is another sonic progression and features a rich bunch of collaborators – for no particular reason, I'm just gonna mention Fernando Perez's delicious -I think Spanish - guitar on the album's wonderful closer Blue Dreams which ends with “If you love something, let it go….but what if it doesn't come back?”https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Send us a Text Message.I met up with my old friend John Robb over the UK May bank holiday weekend. He was in London talking about his birthday, sorry life and career (!).For those who don't know John, he formed The Membranes in the early 80's and he's an author whose writing about music and the future I admire hugely – and his talk was called “Do You Believe In The Power of Rock N Roll?”.So, do I? Well, in a lot of ways, yes. Music, art, poetry and dance remain the number one threats to the establishment and the elite. But sadly, in my opinion, the music establishment is just as big a threat to music and artists. I'm not talking about the entirely fucked capitalist model – although no, fuck that, actually I am when I heard that UMG are proposing to make a performance related payout to their CEO Lucian Grainge of £119million – capitalism is at the very core of everything that is evil in the world – but I'm also talking more overtly about some of the less talked about things like genres (and yes, I know, I myself talk about genre a lot). Putting a band in a genre has been happening forever and we could talk about it being a lazy way for the industry to market music – which it is – but I think there are much more malignant effects of using genre as a way to compartmentalise playlists and market big label artists. With categorisation comes all sorts of social constructs – and sometimes the subtle ones are the most harmful - that are essentially used as an anti-freedom power tool to keep people in their lanes – I'm thinking ways to dress, subjects to speak about, instruments to play, and the worst of all….who they deem allowable to actually play the music. For example, whatever you think musically of Beyonce's album Cowboy Carter, it seems clear to me that the gatekeeping that, back in the day, excluded black musicians from a ‘genre' that they created ,still exists – and there ain't anything subtle about that, it's rooted in racism. I don't remember Kid Rock for being subjected to any such gatekeeping when he went “country”.Lizzie No has written, sung, played on and produced three world class records, her latest being Halfsies which fucks off those genres and is just a fabulous piece of work.She's also an activist - the subjects above are close to her heart -  and fabulous human.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

My first experience of censorship in music came with the battle between the Dead Kennedys and Tipper Gore's PMRC (remember the “Parental Advisory Explicit Content” stickers?) which culminated in the obscenity trial in 1985/6 over the artwork for DK's record Frankenchrist. I don't know if anyone remembers but the board members of the PMRC were a bunch of white power brokers funded by Coors Beer, who also just happened to be big supporters of….. Ronald Reagan. The elite keeping the lid on challengers to their power. Some things never change do they?Anyway, forward 25/6 years or so to Moscow and 4 of the founding members of the art collective Pussy Riot perform their inspired Punk Prayer inside the Cathedral of Christ The Saviour. It's still one of the best and most effective pieces of protest performance art that I've seen, although at great personal cost as 3 out of the 4 performers were arrested and convicted. Separation of church and state, censorship, state violence, state control, repression of equality, denial of intersectionality….and still the elite, the despots and the sycophants fear art and artists more than anyone since feudalism, capitalism and all that good stuff began. Diana Burkot is a founding member of Pussy Riot, a multi disciplinary musician and a committed activist. Her music project away from Pussy Riot is called Rosemary Loves A Blackberry and it is a glorious kaleidoscope of performance art that brings together diverse instruments, beats, imagery and lyrics that open your mind to eclectic and experimental interpretations and is at home with any industrial die hards, synth lovers or lovers of the darker, magical sounds from the other side…..It's a huge honour to have her on the show.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

If I were to create a mixtape (it'd have to be an old school cassette cos that's probably the last time I made one!) for Amanda and her music life, it'd probably open with The Undertones' Family Entertainment with the classic line “Got To…Keep it In the Family”. I mention family not so much to talk endlessly about the quite rare band structure of her band, Bad Mary – in her words “a band family and family band” - but to segué clumsily into some of the questions that I have for myself about where friendships and family relationships fit into today's lifestyle such as…. Do we make friends the same way as we used to do?We have the largest number of generations alive at the same time – do we bridge these generations?Do we make enough time for them?Do we have friends for life?Do we appreciate friends and family?How do they impact our wellbeing?What role do virtual friendships play?This is a very beautiful conversation with Amanda and I'm grateful for her openly talking about some difficult subjects.  Make a brew, hit the sofa and enjoy!https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

You know when you hear a song or a collection of songs that literally make you shiver? Songs that could make you cry at how effortlessly beautiful they are. Another thing that interests me is the neuroscience of how some pieces of music can transport me to a time, a place, an older version of me, a perhaps as yet unseen version of me, how they can seem like my constant companion that's seen my life, the very depths of me, the heights of me, how I can go back to them and they're still my friend, never my enemy, still those companions of unwavering devotion, years down the line. Well, Saint Saviour (Becky Jones) is doing all of this again with her brand new album which is called Sunseeker, building on In The Seams and Tomorrow Again – two masterpieces in my book. For one thing, it's got horns and anything that's got horns in it is good in my book. More than that, it's got her signature chord progressions and harmonies that just tie me up in knots. So good.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

What's been intriguing me today? Reality. What is it? Is there “a” reality or is it all subjective and determined by our own perception, prediction and interpretation. I think it's a word - like so many others - that has been hijacked – you see it used in order to dogmatically defend belief systems or stances and this plays into our susceptibility to certain narratives – we hear that phrase “well this is my reality” at the expense of those who are experiencing things in a very different way. It's a massive subject that's massively out of my depth but I think that when we talk about what each other has experienced, we need to show empathy and understanding at how we make our best predictions for what is going on around us.  The great thing about our brains though is how we draw on past experiences to create something new – I guess you'd call it imagination - and Johnny Manchild is using bucketloads of imagination in how he writes, plays and presents his music. His wonderful band, Johnny Manchild and the Poor Bastards - like the bastard prodigy of Joe Jackson, Electric Light Orchestra, Trail of Dead and The Vines -  have a new album out called Rapture Waltz and it's a belter. I love how it draws on these apparently disparate influences to produce music that is as good as it is individual and defies categorisation - the scourge of how society has wired us to think.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

As regular listeners will be painfully aware, I'm no fan of genres. I can hear the groans already….here he goes again getting on his soapbox…yes, well, you know you gotta reinforce the message, right! I do believe that genres are obsolete to the point of being dangerous, created by an industry to keep people in their lanes, to reinforce “rules” and stereotypes of who should be playing what music - and to make it easier and cheaper to market. The good thing is that there are far more musicians who are blurring those old genre lines, bringing in diverse influences and techniques to create new sonics that makes it difficult to put music in those restrictive boxes.  Ok, soapbox over!SkyDxddy has just released their latest single called Why Do I Stay? And it's quite different sonically to their previous work. What's not different though, is the importance and value of the message - that every experience and every impact is at once unique and relatable to many of us and that each story deserves to be told and heard – I believe that's what humanity should be about. Now having got on my soapbox about genre, I'm gonna get kicked off it, cos Sky has created a new genre - trauma core – although to be fair, trauma core to me is not about the musical style, it's about survivors being empowered to tell your own story in your own way surrounded in your own blanket of safety and to feel the power of that human connection to not just survive but to create a movement of solidarity with others who are marginalised, misunderstood and suffering. And it's encumbent on us to listen to those voices with empathy, love and understanding.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

We live in a culture of immediacy and entitlement, brought upon us, in part at least, by the emergence of new technologies of the last 20 years that were supposed to democratise society, to disrupt the big corporates, but have laid themselves bare as the same old monolithic structures where the power bases and wealth are maintained and society is left with long lasting effects which are not always positive. The impact on how we consume the Arts, and specifically music, is such that that immediacy means our attention spans are so short, that singles, playlists are the corporate darlings. But….and call me an old fart if you want….listening to an album from beginning to end gives you so much more if you can spend 40 minutes to think about the way the tracks are laid out, why they are in that 1-10 order, what the artist is saying which can often be soul baringly raw, what the music makes you feel, what the words make you feel, how do they relate to your life, the entire story. Maybe it's because I'm of an age now, but I mean, my god, how rich is that???!! The latest record from Sukie Smith is called The Glass Dress and a Ringing Bell and it's a road trip storybook of Exploration, Experimentation, Resistance, Transformation and Liberation, written and delivered exquisitely.Every experience and backstory is unique and deserves to be told and heard - that's humanity. https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Listening to the music of Belle Chen brings me some mixed emotions – firstly, incredible love and admiration for the creativity and innovation of her thinking and the beauty and talent in executing this thinking through her composition and playing, yet still leaving room for the listener's own interpretation. The second, and I fight hard against this one, is some regret that my own musical education was more constrained and I couldn't – or didn't want to - find a similar path where music and sound can be used so fluidly and experimentally, where they are such a vital and inspirational conduit for connection, whether that be with nature, our environment, our relationships or ourselves.Belle's latest studio album, Ravel In the Forest, is a powerful voyage through the natural world that lets you visualise and recapture the word “awesome” in its purest sense. For me, it's a storybook that immerses you in the beauty of life.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

As a habitual loafer, I spend a fair bit of time thinking about how some songwriters can create music that can feel familiar yet unfamiliar and why I'm attracted to music that gives me both of those feelings. I also love finding music that feels very unfamiliar to me and I'm interested in why. As you might expect I've failed to come up with anything concrete, but I did read something which made me think: basically when you are younger, you tend to use music as an identity marker and engage with it to navigate social circles, find your tribe, stuff like that. And the theory goes that as you get older, your personality and social circles become more developed and  comfortable, so you tend to listen to music that's more familiar. I've definitely experienced change in identity and social circles over the last, I dunno, 15 years probably, so if that theory holds true, it would explain why I'm listening to much more diverse stuff nowadays - Ugly Kid Joe over Ramones? Ok, let's not go too far!Another view, from neuroscientist Daniel Levitin, goes like this: “when we love a piece of music, it reminds us of other music we have heard, and it activates memory traces of emotional times in our lives.”Today - 16th February 2024 - sees the release of Middle Kids' third full LP called Faith Crisis Part I and it's another beautiful evolution, showing another different side to the band, yet it's still got that familiarity of journey, evocative melodies, empathy and classic bangers too.This is a beautifully open and honest conversation with Hannah Joy about adaptability, reflections on quitting drinking, saying “yes” to things, finding the muse, work ethic mindset, formative influences that shape us, on stage versus off stage personas, her relationship with piano and guitar, consensus in songwriting,  curiosity…….https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

When we're kids, before we get to school and start to get hemmed in by society's expectations, we don't have the inhibitions that start to follow us around and start to influence our words, our actions, the clothes we wear, the way we cut our hair (although that's not really been an issue for me for decades). I think this is also relevant in music –artists wrestling with breaking new ground or out of a genre for, for example, fear of alienating fans and it can make their music feel like their soul isn't really in it. I do get the reasons why – sometimes! Personally, I've struggled myself over the years with inhibitions, worrying about what people think and it can be debilitating.Brad's music feels extremely uninhibited and completely natural, putting its languid groove on, meandering its way through the haze that makes you stop and think about how the fuck have we sleep walked into allowing our lives to be so complicated. His music makes me think of what humanity means, it's the sound of friends, partners, acquaintances, strangers, slowing life down so it can be enjoyed, lighting the candles, singing, talking, drinking, eating crisps… in that after hours bar, wherever.His latest record is called In The Midst of You and it's out on 26 January and it's my favourite of his.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

As with most stuff, I was late to the Skinny Pelembe party and the way I got into his music was as random as it gets: I came across an Instagram post (see, Instagram does have its uses) of his about buying an Austin Allegro with his streaming royalties ( I think that was the gist of it). Now my old man - rest his soul - was an Austin aficionado back in the days of my formative years when he got hold of the Austin 1800, Maxi, Princess and Maestro (I crashed this beast of a machine soon after I passed my test and I think that kinda stopped his love affair with Austins). He never bought an Allegro – that was the domain of our across the road neighbours and buying the same mustard coloured one would have been a bit weird.Enough of this nonsense: Skinny is writing and performing music that is really far reaching in its impact. It's ingenious, it's inventive, unpredictable, open minded and most of all, it makes me curious, not least to put my own experience and interpretation on the music. It challenges me as I like art to do. I can be in the middle of soulful banger and weeper that explores what it means to grow up in a world that dehumanises, the next time I'm in a trippy, distorted underground village and everything else in between and around about. This is what it's all about. Brilliant stuff.He's just released, with Beth Orton, a cover of Leonard Cohen's wonderful 1974 track Who By Fire to complement his two albums, two EP's and singles. I'm so pleased that I got to talk with a true diamond. Enjoy!https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Nayana AB is an outstanding songwriter, musician and producer, who, for me, is taking influences from great songwriters of the past but making the music in very much her own vision. She's using that history and those legacies positively to shape her own future and the future of others. I think this is exactly what legacy is about and how it's intended to be used.She recently won the Dr Martens Made Strong music in the community competition which landed her a show alongside the brilliant Ezra Collective. She's played the Great Escape and We Out Here festivals, performed alongside Jake Bugg and Raye and is studying for a Masters in Global Black Studies, decolonisation and social justice as well as working at UD, the music organisation that incubates and nurtures black and culturally diverse artists. It's an honour to spend some time with her and listen to someone who has the talent and desire to shape the future of music.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

In the bands my guest has played with over the past, what 30 years maybe – like Minority, Brick, One Against Many and presently Black Mercy – I'm getting influences from some outstanding bands and I'm thinking Negative Approach, Whipping Boy, Poison Idea, Artificial Peace definitely a bit of Napalm Death thrown in there to grind things up a bit. Fuck, just saying those band names makes me want to do a back somersault…but at my age and all that, I'd better give that a miss.In addition to his hardcore vocals, he's also a skater, podcaster, caipoerista, comic book aficionado, husband and dad. I'm really interested how we get drawn to particular cultural scenes – music, comics, painting, design, poetry…and how that relates to which senses we favour – visual, aural, tactile – and which of our skillsets that appeals to.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Situations and elements of duality, dualisms and paradoxes have started to become more evident in my life. I think I started to become more aware of this maybe 6/7 years ago when I started thinking and writing about the importance of mindset for surviving and functioning in this very complex and volatile world which, with a bit of gentle and not so gentle encouragement, led me to starting this little podcast. Exploring the existence of these situations, the reluctance to see anything other than a binary outcome, the impact of centuries of societal conditioning towards either right or wrong answers, the impact of ego and questioning what reality means…is there a reality after all?…all these kind of things tend to take up a fair bit of my brain space. No wonder I don't have any friends.Patrick Wagner has a long and important cultural history in shifting boundaries. His band Gewalt's debut album from 2021, Paridies, is an astounding piece of work, especially the trance inducing title track and the slicing pummelling groove of Es Funktioniert. They shape their work sonically, visually and lyrically with big topics that challenge our own comfort zones, our own interpretations of reality and most importantly those feelings, those dualisms…there's a sense of order yet chaos, fearless yet vulnerableAnd Gewalt are back with a new physical single - Trans - backed with Monika In Scherben – both classic songs in their own right that highlight the story of Monika Donner – and they have announced a second album called Doppeldenk to follow in mid-2024.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I think more and more these days about how we've sleep walked into allowing our world to become one that doesn't serve us, one that does its best to prevent our ever-evolving identity to find its path, to do things on our own terms and away from being defined in a certain way by preconceptions or however our brains uses predictions of who others are and who we are. Maybe that's just me getting older and grumpier. Probably true. But what's also true is that I have definitely experienced the wheels of reinvention in my own life. That feeling of “I'm not a number”, the need to find out who the fuck I am.  It took me a lot longer to get here, but what's a few decades amongst friends. Luca Buccellati rose to prominence as a composer, producer, collaborator, music partner, working with some extremely creative and successful artists, such as Lana del Rey, Arlo Parks, Big Piig, sophie meiers. Add a Grammy nomination and a Mercury prize for good measure. He has his own artist project that has been simmering, let's say, called White China and he has now released another album which is called Hang Up The Lights. It's a beautifully rich, diverse and personal collection of songs that builds on his masterful songwriting which you can hear on previous White China releases going back to 2018 but with this record, there is a very different lens and outlook on what's important in life.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

I interviewed Andrew Butler from Hercules and Love Affair last year and he made a really great point about how the most exciting music is produced when one “scene” starts to fade but the next “big thing” hasn't yet arrived – l think of it like when a new star is being born from all this gas and dust coming together -  before the “rules” of that genre are established (cos that's what happens, right?) so it's much more volatile, experimental and liberated. So, just delving into the past a little bit….in the late 70's, it was time for a change…bands like Bush Tetras, The Pop Group, The Raincoats, Gang of Four, Pigbag, The Mekons and the band that Lesley fronted for a brief but hugely influential time were creating a fork in the road. The Au Pairs took their music in a direction that was as exciting as it was inventive, through a mighty rhythm section that made your hips shake (well, they made mine rattle even then) and the taut, jagged guitar and Lesley's distinctive vocals and lyrics. They looked great, they sounded great, they were singing about stuff that mattered - misogyny, racism, conformism, relationships - and were, to my mind at least, leaders in creating a wave of bands whose impact is being felt more than ever. Pioneers isn't too strong a word in my opinion.Anyway, after the Au Pairs disbanded, Lesley went on a long hiatus doing something completely different - she became an immigration lawyer, but she has picked up her guitar again and there is a lot of stuff going on which I think is hugely exciting.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

If this podcast were a musician, it's highly likely it would be called Trevor Dunn. Trevor is a hugely respected and valued composer, bassist, double bassist, collaborator, ultra-improviser and fantastic conversationalist, coming to prominence with the ever fluid and experimental Mr Bungle. He has also played with John Zorn, The Melvins, Fantômas, Tomahawk, his own Trio-Convulsant, plus many more collaborations.Now, with Sally Gates and Greg Fox, he's releasing another fabulous milestone in his improvisational catalogue with the LP Deliriant Modifier on his own Riverworm Records.This really is an excellent conversation with a man who's curiosity and innovation is endless. We're talking about the new record, the concepts of consciousness, alternate reality, improvisation, having an open mind and keeping an open mind, blasting away genres, mindfulness, curiosity, the pros and cons of boundaries and tons more.https://www.iwannajumplikedeedee.comI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you from the mothership of the experimental mindset™- swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

There's so much about the work of J. Willgoose, Esq. of Public Service Broadcasting that really is everything that this podcast is about – resilience, curiosity, the importance of your physical environment, reinvention, collaborations, adaptability, trying things out, learning from the past – from successes or mistakes to what should have been or could still be – how to repurpose the past, how we shift ourselves in what is already a volatile and fast changing world, all with the aim of making the world a better place for us to live alongside each other, not at each other's throats. A really fascinating chat with the modest and humble founder of a group who's motto is to teach the lessons of the past through the music of the future. And do feel free to laugh at my appalling attempt to compare Daventry and Winter Hill broadcasting masts…..stick to what you know.https://www.heysunday.co/i-wanna-jump-like-dee-deeI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you by Hey Sunday, the mothership of the experimental mindset™- red swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste

Since I started this podcast malarkey (maybe before actually, maybe the podcast just encouraged me to be more open about it - gawd, this sounds like a confessional!), I've developed a fascination with how music can whisk you off into a distant world, a kind of musical Narnia, not just through the lyrics, but the song structures, the atmosphere, the relationship of current music with past decades (cos we interpret and measure music by decades, right? - although it will be interesting as to what characterises the current decade and the one we just escaped). As always, I'm at risk of becoming tediously rooted in the theoretical, but I'm really interested in what makes musicians go to these places: what's influenced their core mindset and how this plays into what's influencing them at the time they sit down and write and how, in this fast-paced & volatile world, the music they write keeps pace with their influences and how they themselves keep pace with what seems like an exponential growth in “stuff” that influences us. Alan Palomo has so many strings to his bow – he's a singer-songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, musician, filmmaker, DJ, and producer – and always, at least it appears to me, produced music on his own terms and in keeping with that, his latest, wonderful LP called World of Hassle – it's the first under his own name – is a glorious collage that takes you to a world that's got one foot in a past decade, one in the here and now and one in an augmented reality game. https://www.heysunday.co/i-wanna-jump-like-dee-deeI Wanna Jump Like Dee Dee is the music podcast that does music interviews differently. Giles Sibbald talks to musicians, DJ's and producers about how they use an experimental mindset in every part of their lives.- brought to you by Hey Sunday, the mothership of the experimental mindset™- red swirl logo and art by Giles Sibbald - doodle logo and art by Tide Adesanya, Coppie and Paste