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Recode's Kara Swisher and Jason Del Rey talk with Jennifer Hyman, the CEO and co-founder of Rent the Runway, at An Evening With Code Commerce 2018 in Las Vegas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Recode's Jason Del Rey talks with Nordstrom co-president Erik Nordstrom and OneMarket CEO Don Kingsborough at An Evening With Code Commerce 2018 in Las Vegas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Recode's Kara Swisher talks with DoorDash CEO Tony Xu and David Gordon, the president of The Cheesecake Factory Incorporated, at An Evening With Code Commerce 2018 in Las Vegas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Patreon CEO Jack Conte and 'Brain Candy' host Susie Meister talk with Recode's Peter Kafka and Dan Frommer at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The chief strategy officer at Disney, Kevin Mayer, talks with Recode's Peter Kafka at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Outbrain CEO Yaron Galai and Flipboard CEO Mike McCue talk with Recode's Dan Frommer at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Magic Leap CEO Rony Abovitz and NBA Commissioner Adam Silver talk with Recode's Peter Kafka at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Janice Min, part owner of The Hollywood Reporter & Eldridge Industries strategist, talks with Recode's Peter Kafka at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lisa Tobin, the executive producer of the New York Times' podcast The Daily, speaks at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tim Armstrong, the CEO of Oath, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher and Peter Kafka at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

BuzzFeed CEO Jonah Peretti talks with Recode's Peter Kafka at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki talks with Recode's Kara Swisher at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Fox Networks CEO and 21st Century Fox President Peter Rice talks with CNBC's Julia Boorstin at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Brit + Co founder/CEO Brit Morin and theSkimm co-founders/co-CEOs Carly Zakin and Danielle Weisberg talk with Recode's Jason Del Rey at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Campbell Brown, Facebook's head of news partnerships, and Adam Mosseri, Facebook's head of News Feed, talk with Recode's Peter Kafka and Kurt Wagner at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lydia Polgreen, the editor in chief of HuffPost, talks with Recode's Peter Kafka and Kara Swisher at the 2018 Code Media conference in Huntington Beach, Calif. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Uber Chief Brand Officer Bozoma Saint John talks with Recode's Kara Swisher and Johana Bhuiyan about what her newly created job entails. Hired by now-ousted CEO Travis Kalanick, Saint John said the company's culture is strong and healthy, even as it continues to wrestle with a parade of public mistakes and scandals. Uber's brand today, she says, is that of a utility, but it's missing “love” — an emotional connection between the user and the product. She also talks about the importance of hiring more women and people of color, and why Uber's diversity problems are not unique. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sweetgreen co-CEO Jonathan Neman and Glossier CEO Emily Weiss talk with Recode's Dan Frommer and Racked's Cheryl Wischhover about how they use digital channels to market food and beauty products, respectively. Weiss says Glossier's No. 1 outlet is the blog Into the Gloss, and argues that it's a two-way conversation, rather than a one-way publishing outlet. Neman says Sweetgreen is a “product company, not a restaurant company,” because tech enables a completely different way of thinking about who its customers are and how its stores should be designed. They agree that creating a sense of community and experience for customers is not a choice — to survive, it's a requirement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lumi CEO Jesse Genet talks about how an ordinary cardboard box gets made — and how those boxes are taking on a new life in e-commerce. For companies that no longer operate physical stores, packaging has become the “modern storefront,” Genet says, and what a box looks like and what is printed on it has a huge impact on the customer's experience. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Theory founder Andrew Rosen and Reformation CEO Yael Aflalo talk with Recode's Jason Del Rey about the future of direct-to-consumer fashion. Rosen says one of his roles at Theory is actively working to make sure that consumers' needs come before its brand's vision, even if that means outsourcing some roles to partners like Amazon and Stitch Fix. They also discuss the value of opening physical stores for digital-first retailers like Reformation; Aflalo says that new customers who come through retail seem to be more valuable than those the company finds online. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Snarkitecture partner Benjamin Porto and Allbirds co-founder Joey Zwillinger talk with Recode's Edmund Lee about designing architecture and shoes for Silicon Valley, respectively. Brick-and-mortar spaces continue to be important as storytelling vehicles for brands, they say, even as the numbers point to e-commerce growing and retail shrinking. Physical stores are actually thriving, Zwillinger says, because Amazon's speediness has forced them to up their standards and unique offerings. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Williams-Sonoma CEO Laura Alber talks with Recode's Jason Del Rey and Kara Swisher about how the retailer is going beyond the retail store. Alber says most purchases are made on an emotional basis, so it's still vital for retailers to connect with their customers, whether that means making better predictions about what people want to buy or flipping the script and sending an adviser to visit customers' homes. Alber also talks about how WIlliams-Sonoma-owned Pottery Barn is working with Google on an augmented reality experience for decorating one's house. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Boxed CEO Chieh Huang talks about competing with warehouse clubs like Costco and Sam's Club, offering customers the ability to buy in bulk without needing to drive to a physical location. He touches on changes in what consumers value, how Boxed treats its warehouse employees and how certain products are taxed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Blue Apron CEO Matt Salzberg talks with Recode's Jason Del Rey about how the meal-delivery company is changing now that it's publicly traded and how it is reacting to Amazon's purchase of Whole Foods. Over the past five years, Blue Apron has sought to grow as fast as possible and is now moving to think about broadening its offerings to customers with new types of products. It plans to do more a la carte sales of kitchen and pantry items, but Salzberg says he has no plans to compete head to head with mass-market grocers like Whole Foods. Plus: After a rocky IPO, why should Blue Apron remain independent? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rachel Roy's eponymous founder and Dia&Co CEO Nadia Boujarwah talk with Recode's Edmund Lee and Racked's Tiffany Yannetta about designing and selling clothes for plus-sized women, an addressable market of 100 million. To reach modern consumers, they match their companies' clothes with social media tastemakers who have big followings and a unique point of view. Plus-size consumers were among the first to make the jump to the internet, Roy and Boujarwah say, because they weren't served well by most brick-and-mortar stores.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nike Direct President Heidi O'Neill talks with Recode's Jason Del Rey about how the sports apparel company is working to connect with consumers digitally. Nike products can be found both in stores and across the web, but the company has created a membership program for people who go to its website and apps directly, rewarding them with personalized shopping recommendations and first dibs on new products. In return, Nike gets clearer data about what its customers will want in the future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Clarifai CEO Matt Zeiler talks about how artificial intelligence and neural networks are getting smarter, learning how to automatically recognize images more quickly and accurately. AI companies should build their own neural networks in-house, but everyone else should borrow the expertise of outside firms like Clarifai, Zeiler says. He explains the potential of "visual search" for shopping, helping customers find and buy things that they can't quite describe in words. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pinterest President Tim Kendall talks with Recode's Kurt Wagner about how the company is partnering with brands and advertisers, including a new mobile product that helps people search for items by taking pictures of something similar. The goal is to help Pinners discover things they may want to buy — even though almost all searches on the platform are for generic terms like "red couch" rather than specific brands. While Google and Amazon are good for targeted searches, Kendall says, Pinterest can capture a lot of value among people who don't know yet what they want.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

NBA Commissioner Adam Silver and Fanatics Executive Chairman Michael Rubin talk with Recode's Kurt Wagner and Jason Del Rey about the fast-moving world of official sports merchandise. Rubin says Amazon and the Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba are good businesses, but not good for brands like NBA teams that want to profit from their own names. Silver also talks about how sports themselves will change as technology gets more sophisticated and how the NBA is working with digital platforms on streaming sports games around the world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Venmo COO Mike Vaughan talks with Recode's Dan Frommer about how his company is turning a popular payments app into a real business. Venmo, which is owned by PayPal, processed more than $25 billion in the past four quarters, and Vaughan said it captures the essence of real-world interactions: Friends pooling their money for a gift, roommates paying each other back or parents collecting dues for their kids' soccer teams. The next step for the company is integrating the app with the services that people commonly use it for, as well as turning users' Venmo balance into a debit account they can access via a physical card. Plus: With peer-to-peer payments launching natively in iOS 11, is Venmo under threat from Apple? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Peloton CEO John Foley talks about building a boutique fitness class program that can be accessed from the home. Peloton's exercise bike has tripled in sales in the past year, but the more important thing for its business is its monthly subscription to online spinning classes. Foley examines the social, economic and even religious forces that are driving people to other fitness programs like SoulCycle, CrossFit and Orange Theory. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Celebrity chef Mario Batali talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the future of restaurants, including how technology helps him do his job and whether he can envision a future where a restaurant's food is prepared without human hands. Batali evaluates food/tech companies such as Blue Apron, Juicero and Soylent, as well as food for people who think they are too busy to eat. He also talks about how he uses several social media platforms: Twitter (good for picking fights), Instagram (good for "what I'm doing") and YouTube (good for entertaining Batali's teenage son).  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

David Perpich, the president of the New York Times-owned site The Wirecutter, and Ben Kaufman, the head of BuzzFeed Product Labs, talk with Recode's Peter Kafka about running and building media businesses on top of affiliate links. Perpich says Amazon, Google, Facebook and their peers are "setting the rules" in the digital commerce world, so the NYT has to navigate relationships with all of them. Kaufman says BuzzFeed is moving beyond links to other ways of making money, such as selling a cookbook and hot plate bearing its food brand, Tasty, and partnering with brick-and-mortar retailers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bonobos CEO Andy Dunn talks with Recode's Jason Del Rey about starting a digital-first clothing brand, selling it to Walmart and continuing to run it along with another company Walmart acquired, ModCloth. Dunn says the deal makes sense even though Bonobos won't be selling in Walmart stores; as an institution for "the vast majority of Americans," the company will help Bonobos access a much larger customer base online. Dunn talks about the calculus that led him to make a deal with Walmart, as opposed to an IPO, another acquirer or a private equity firm. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Forerunner Ventures founder Kirsten Green talks about the blurring line between brands and retailers. She traces the history of shopping stores, malls and online, arguing that consumers today want to know more about brands, inviting them to enter their lives like a human relationship. Green also notes that the era of "you are what you own" is over and we've now entered the era of "you are what you experience." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Revolution CEO and America Online co-founder Steve Case talks with The Verge's Walt Mossberg about the "chasm" between startups in tech hubs and the rest of the country. The author of a 2016 book called "The Third Wave," Case says 75 percent of all venture capital goes to three states, 90 percent went to men and less than 1 percent went to African-Americans. Entrepreneurship is now global, and he argues that America can't lead in that field if its investments are constrained by geography, gender and race. Case believes his "rise of the rest" campaign will be supported by President Trump and his allies once they understand the opportunity it provides for American jobs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Twitter COO and CFO Anthony Noto talks with Recode's Peter Kafka about whether the company would ever ditch ads and start charging a monthly subscription fee instead. Noto says user growth is re-accelerating as Twitter makes its timeline and notifications faster and more valuable, but he acknowledges that Twitter may "look at" paid premium services. Most of its "resurrected" users are following many news and politics accounts, but Noto wouldn't say if this increase is directly linked to President Trump's tweeting. He also talks about Twitter's deal with the NFL to stream football games on Thursday nights and how it thinks about livestreaming in general. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jonathan Taplin, the director emeritus of USC's Annenberg Innovation Lab, talks about how the creative class and its ability to make money is being undermined by tech giants like Facebook, Google and Amazon. These companies have shirked their responsibilities as their platforms have been used to spread "fake news" and terrorism videos, Taplin says. He argues that they are in the business of "surveillance capitalism" and it's time to take a closer look at where money and power are concentrated in Silicon Valley. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Planned Parenthood Federation of America President Cecile Richards talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how the nonprofit has dealt with controversy and political opposition under President Trump. Republicans in Washington are attempting to limit the organization, which Richards says would undermine access to local health services and cause the rates of STIs and abortions to go up. Planned Parenthood will continue to exist even if the GOP's health care bill passes, she says, but it's still fighting to remain a public benefit, with funds for most of its services being reimbursed by the government. Richards also talks about how her team uses social media and texting and why she wants to use drones to air-drop birth control. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Intel CEO Brian Krzanich talks with The Verge's Walt Mossberg about the company's pivot away from the PC market and into new areas, such as cloud computing and self-driving cars. Even in a declining PC market, Krzanich notes, Intel has been able to improve its profitability as buyers keep demanding more powerful computers. He says autonomous vehicles will behave more like servers than cars, with the ability to collect and use data around them, applying artificial intelligence to reduce street crime. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Recode co-founder and The Verge executive editor Walt Mossberg talks with former Twitter CEO Dick Costolo about his 26-year career in tech journalism. Mossberg recounts stories about meetings with executives like Apple's Steve Jobs and Microsoft's Bill Gates and how much has changed between his first Personal Technology column in 1991 and his final column in May. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Emerson Collective President Laurene Powell Jobs and U.S. Senator Kamala Harris talk with Recode's Kara Swisher about what they're doing to improve opportunities for undocumented young people in America. Jobs says a supermajority of Americans support a path to citizenship for these immigrants and Harris says much of the opposition to them earning a permanent place in the country comes from people who have never met such an immigrant. They also discuss what should be done about economic anxiety across the country, with Harris arguing that the only antidote is to tell the uncomfortable truth: Society is changing and many people in dying professions will need to be retrained. Plus: Why is Jobs investing in media and is Harris going to run for president in 2020? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Conservative politician and former independent presidential candidate Evan McMullin talks with The Verge's Walt Mossberg about what comes next now that Donald Trump is the president and the standard-bearer of the Republican Party. McMullin discusses the 501c4 he co-founded, Stand Up Republic, which is trying to organize a grassroots movement to "defend democracy" and its traditional principles. A former CIA operative, McMullin also talks about why there has been an outpouring of anti-Trump leaks from the intelligence community. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Viacom and CBS Vice Chair Shari Redstone talks with Recode's Peter Kafka about the venture firm she co-founded in 2011, Advancit Capital, and why it operates outside of her other companies. She says her biggest mistake there was not investing in Twitch in 2011 because she thought the video game-streaming company was already too highly valued. Redstone also discusses how content companies like Viacom are facing the challenges of the digital age and why they don't necessarily need to sell themselves off, as Time Warner is trying to do. She says she's not too worried about tech companies like Twitter, Google and Facebook making bids for the rights to NFL games, which CBS has locked up for several years. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Time Warner Chairman and CEO Jeff Bewkes talks with Recode's Peter Kafka about how the company's pending sale to AT&T is faring under President Trump. Bewkes argues that the AT&T deal would help Time Warner get on "equal footing" in the ad business with companies like YouTube, but said he has no plans to add advertising to HBO. He also discusses whether Time Warner-owned CNN has any regrets about how it covered the 2016 presidential campaign and how he evaluates the likely rollback of the FCC's net neutrality rules. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kernel founder Bryan Johnson talks about why he wants to "put a chip in your brain." He says we're enterting a "new era of neuroscience" that will let us understand and use the brain in completely new ways. Reading and writing neural code could control and possibly eliminate disorders such as Parkinson's or depression, Johnson says. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

: "Bears in the Streets" author Lisa Dickey talks about her journeys across the whole of Russia, beginning with a prescient digital camera-enabled trip in 1995, only a few years after the end of the Cold War. Dickey returned in 2005 and 2015, checking in with many of the same people and towns she had visited before. She says the Russian people often feel slighted by America — and yes, most of them really do love President Vladimir Putin as much as the polls say. The way forward, she suggests, is remembering that the country is bigger than its leader. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jill Soloway, the creator of the Amazon TV series "Transparent," talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about their new show, "I Love Dick," which stars Kevin Bacon and Kathryn Hahn. They say Amazon is more hands-off than traditional TV networks and has helped diversify the female characters we see on TV. Soloway's company, Topple Productions, is aimed at disrupting the "white male gaze" and giving power to creators who otherwise might not have it, and they recall how, after losing twice at the Golden Globes, Jeff Bezos encouraged them to keep effecting social change through storytelling.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kogi and LocoL chef and food truck movement co-founder Roy Choi talks with Eater's Helen Rosner about making food with a social mission in mind. He says he and his partner Daniel Patterson want healthy food to be accessible and affordable to the people of Watts and West Oakland, Calif., not just the urban centers where most foodie restaurants are found. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Former U.S. Secretary of State and 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton talks with Recode's Kara Swisher and The Verge's Walt Mossberg about the mistakes she made during the campaign and what she thinks in hindsight about criticism of her private email server and paid speeches to Goldman Sachs. Clinton says "anti-American forces" are continually trying to undermine America's security and unity and that she believes saboteurs from Russia were directly aided by Americans, likely including Donald Trump. She criticizes Facebook's spreading of "fake news" and the eagerness of the media to amplify Trump's message, but also the failures of the Democratic National Committee's "poor" data campaign in 2016 as contributing factors to her defeat. Looking forward, Clinton says she's "hopeful" that Democrats will regain control of the House of Representatives in 2018 and "hold [our] own" in the Senate. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Alphabet CFO Ruth Porat talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how she manages spending on search and "other bets" inside of the Google parent company. Porat says clear data should inform leadership decisions and that investing too little in some areas can be as harmful as investing too much. She explains how and why Alphabet is investing in the smart home, life sciences, cloud computing and self-driving cars. The biggest risk to Google as advertising continues to drive the vast majority of Alphabet's revenue, Porat notes, is "complacency" about what's next. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices