Podcast appearances and mentions of Dan Vogel

What does John Turner believe about the Golden Plates? Were they made of tin as Dan Vogel asserts? What about the First Vision controversy? Does John think Joseph was a pious fraud? Did Joseph take advantage of Martin Harris? John answers these and other question. Check out our conversation... Copyright © 2025 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission What Did Joseph Smith Really Have in that Box? Historian John Turner, author of Joseph Smith, The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet, delves into the enduring mystery surrounding Joseph Smith's golden plates and the origins of the Book of Mormon. His insights offer a nuanced perspective, moving beyond simple pronouncements to a historian's critical examination. The Golden Plates: A Historian's Best Judgment When it comes to the golden plates, Turner makes a clear distinction between visionary experiences and material objects. While he acknowledges that understanding Joseph Smith's visions is difficult as a historian, dealing with a physical claim like the golden plates is different. Turner's "best judgment" as a historian is that Joseph Smith did not have actual golden plates. However, he strongly believes Joseph did engage in a "certain amount of subterfuge". Joseph clearly possessed some sort of physical object which he would place in a box, heft around, and at times cover with a linen cloth. Others, including Emma Smith, witnessed an object that seemed like "thin sheets of metal under a linen cloth," suggesting some form of metallic object. For Turner, the simplest explanation for a young man claiming to have a valuable object he can't show to anyone else is that he doesn't have it. This conclusion is also reinforced by his reading of the Book of Mormon as a 19th-century text, rather than an ancient record. If it's a 19th-century text, golden plates aren't necessary, making it "more likely" that the text "flows out of Joseph's literary imagination". Turner emphasizes that this critical examination is not meant to be disrespectful to faithful Latter-day Saints, but rather a serious approach to studying the tradition. The Search for Alternatives: Not Enough Evidence The question of what Joseph might have had in the box has led to various theories: Dan Vogelhas suggested the object might have been made of tin. Sonia Hazard, another scholar, theorizes that Joseph could have encountered printing plates, which served as an inspiration for the project and could have been the object in the box. However, Turner states that there is not enough evidence to support any of these alternative theories. While these are "suggestive possibilities," he concludes, "we can't know. So, I think we have to leave it as a bit of a mystery". He also clarifies that for him, the "absence of evidence for any alternative explanation is [not] evidence for the faithful account". Audacity Over Deception: The Book of Mormon Project Despite his view on the golden plates, Turner doesn't primarily see Joseph Smith as a "fraud," "deceiver," or "impostor". While he acknowledges an "element of deception that gets it off the ground," his main takeaway from the Book of Mormon project is its utter improbability and audacity. Turner describes it as a "hairbrained scheme" that Joseph "pulls off". He points out that it was "utterly unlikely" for a 21-year-old Joseph Smith, without formal education, to embark on such a project and publish a 600-page book. This remarkable literary success, while not a bestseller at the time, certainly had "serious legs". Turner sees this as "an act of audacity" rather than primarily an "act of deception," crediting Joseph Smith with this incredible literary production. Assessing Joseph's Sincerity The question of Joseph Smith's sincerity is complex. Turner generally tries to avoid weighing in on Joseph's sincerity at any given moment,

Fawn Brodie, Richard Bushman, and Dan Vogel have the 3 most popular biographies on Joseph Smith prior to John Turner's latest. Which is best? John will answer that and we'll discuss the First Vision anachronisms. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/BOTVrDQJGbc Don't miss our other conversations with John: https://gospeltangents.com/people/john-turner/ Copyright © 2025 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission Landscape of Joseph Smith Biographies John Turner is author of "Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet. Dr. Turner's book enters a field rich with extensive scholarship. He notes that the main biographies over the years include Fawn Brodie's "No Man Knows My History," Richard Bushman's "Rough Stone Rolling," and works by Dan Vogel,[1] Richard Van Wagoner,[2] and Martha Bradley.[3] Fawn Brodie's "No Man Knows My History": Published in 1945, Brodie's work is recognized for her "fantastic writing"and remarkable achievement given her limited access to sources available today. While now "out of date,"it was incredibly popular, with Richard Bushman himself acknowledging its enduring "perch" as a favorite among readers, perhaps due to Brodie's skills as an English major and great writer. She was technically Mormon but very critical of Joseph Smith. Richard Bushman's "Rough Stone Rolling": Dr. Turner expresses "enormous admiration"for Richard Bushman as a person and scholar. Bushman's biography "expertly contextualizes Joseph's life in the culture of the early 19th century United States"and benefits from tremendous access to sources, though notably, it predates the availability of the Joseph Smith Papers. Over the last two decades, "Rough Stone Rolling" has become the "go-to biography for any scholar or seriously interested party in Joseph Smith.” Bushman's work was seen as a more "faithful perspective" in contrast to Brodie's critical stance. Dan Vogel's Contributions: Dr. Turner highlights Dan Vogel as a "really diligent researcher"whose "Early Mormon Documents collection"[4] was an "essential resource for historians"before the Joseph Smith Papers. Vogel's works, including "Joseph Smith, The Making of a Prophet" and "Charisma Under Pressure," mark him as "one of the more significant historians of Mormonism" in this generation. While his books may not have achieved the wide readership of Brodie's or Bushman's, their scholarly value is undeniable. Dr. Turner clarifies that he didn't write his biography because existing ones were "inadequate" or "stink.” Instead, he aimed to write a "different one" that might be "better or does justice to different parts of Joseph's personality.” His approach involved immersing himself in the sources, particularly the Joseph Smith Papers volumes and website, and reading the latest scholarship, rather than directly positioning his work against others. He trusted there would be "room for my perspective from my position.” Unpacking Joseph Smith's Early Life When discussing Joseph Smith's early life, Dr. Turner notes a significant challenge: "we know very little" about the period before 1829. Scarcity of Sources: Most of what is known comes from a small number of sources, or at least only a few that detail events. Lucy Mack Smith's Biography: While a "great source,"Lucy Mack Smith's dictated biography from 1844 (decades after many events) is often the "only source we have to go on,"which presents a "little troublesome" limitation. Joseph Smith's Own Accounts: Joseph himself did not discuss his childhood in any great depth in his histories, only occasionally alluding to it in sermons. Conflicting Recollections: Early accounts of Joseph from Palmyra were often "filed up and divergent," coming from individuals who "were not too impressed with Joseph Smith and his family.” No Prefigured Greatness: Dr. Turner emphasizes that "there was nothing that pr...

Referencias: - Obituario de Grant Stout Heward (Deseret News): https://www.deseret.com/1998/6/27/19388436/death-grant-stout-heward - Ensayo oficial de la Iglesia: Traducción e Historicidad del Libro de Abraham: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/translation-and-historicity-of-the-book-of-abraham?lang=spa  - Historia oficial de la Iglesia: Traducción del Libro de Abraham: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/book-of-abraham-translation?lang=spa  - El Mundo Cambiante del Mormonismo (Jerald y Sandra Tanner): https://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/pdf/spanish/elmundocambiantedelmormonismo.pdf  - La Búsqueda de la Verdad de Jerald Tanner: https://utlm.org/newsletters/pdfnewsletters/spanish/111messenger_spanish.pdf  - Respuesta apologética de FairMormon sobre el Libro de Abraham: https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/respuestas/La_crítica_del_mormonismo/Documentos_en_línea/Carta_a_un_Director_del_SEI/Inquietudes_y_Preguntas_del_Libro_de_Abraham  - Discusión en Reddit sobre el cambio de nombre del ensayo: https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/rtdkjr/book_of_abraham_essay_renamed_to_translation_and/  - La Iglesia publica un nuevo ensayo web sobre el Libro de Abraham (Faro a las Naciones): https://www.faroalasnaciones.com/la-iglesia-publica-un-nuevo-ensayo-web-sobre-el-libro-de-abraham/  - Artículo sobre el cambio de perspectiva de Brian Hauglid: https://www.facebook.com/bhauglid/  - Entrevista a Dan Vogel en Mormon Stories: https://www.mormonstories.org/dan-vogel/  - Video de Dan Vogel sobre la historia temprana de la Iglesia: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxq5opj6GqOCA8z8K5JApGD337hVaVmIs  - Canal de YouTube "The Backyard Professor": https://www.youtube.com/user/TheBackyardProfessor  - Entrevista a Kerry Shirts en Mormon Stories: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/kerry-shirts-the-backyard-professor/  - Análisis del Libro de Abraham en LDS Discussions: https://www.ldsdiscussions.com/abraham-translation  - Artículo sobre el Libro de Abraham en Discursos SUD: https://discursosud.com/2018/02/07/la-astronomia-y-los-egipcios-un-enfoque-a-abraham-3/  - Diario de Wright: http://mormon-alliance.org/casereports/volume3/part5/v3p5ch23.htm  - Post de Bill Reel en Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bill.reel.7/posts/pfbid02GtwLPRuhyg42QRTY3aXE1h92QH2FLM6TdzgyA6cZKRFjJ3gw8asAoYiK8u6Ed3JZl  - El panel de Bill Reel editado en FairMormon: https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/conference/august-2013/the-loss-and-rekindling-of-faith  - “Mormones y arqueología”, de Michael Coe: https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V08N02_42.pdf  - Cómo un mormón transformó la arqueología en México, y terminó perdiendo su fe: https://www.science.org/content/article/how-mormon-lawyer-transformed-archaeology-mexico-and-ended-losing-his-faith  - Imagen de la Tierra Sagrada, de Ferguson, del tema de Chiapas: https://www.science.org/do/10.1126/science.aat0244/full/first-1675067454903.svg 

New research by PhD student Colby Townsend reveals striking connections between The Book of Mormon and Adam Clarke's Bible Commentary, a widely used biblical resource in Joseph Smith's time. In this episode, we explore how Smith engaged with Clarke's insights, made textual modifications, and reframed biblical passages to fit his theological vision. Was Smith restoring lost scripture, or was he influenced by contemporary scholarship?Show NotesYouTube00:11:35 Summary of Joseph Smith using the Adam Clarke Commentary00:17:06 During this time, this is NOT considered plagiarism00:19:55 The new article by Colby Townsend00:23:24 Clip of Hayley talking about Joseph Smith using the Bible Commentary00:29:45 What were we taught about how the Book of Mormon was produced?00:30:17 Quote from David Whitmer on the translation through the seer stone00:35:00 The Expansion Theory00:40:26 Quote from Emma on the Book of Mormon translation00:42:33 Quote from Martin Harris on it being a direct translation00:44:00 There is no account from Oliver Cowdery on the translation process; Oliver was also willing to lie00:44:51 Clip of Brad Wilcox on how the Book of Mormon was translation00:48:08 Background of Colby Townsend 00:50:08 Quotes from the article00:57:55 Joseph used other Bible Commentaries01:02:00 Conclusion from Colby Townsend's article01:07:40 Clip of the the Bible not having plain and precious things being removed01:09:25 Clip - The Book of Mormon is to bring back the things lost from the Bible01:11:20 2 Nephi 11:2 Nephi talks about the importance of Isaiah01:22:43 Quote from the Colby's article about how Joseph was well versed in the Bible01:24:55 Dan Vogel's theory about the presence of Isaiah in the Book of Mormon01:26:14 Colby Townsend discussing Joseph and Methodism01:29:25 Adam Clarke's Biblical Commentary01:33:35 Joseph's access to Clarke01:40:00 Comparing The Book of Mormon to the Adam Clarke Commentary01:49:35 Joseph copying both the KJV and then Adam Clarke's commentary01:58:38 Next example in Isaiah 50:2 “their fish is dried up”02:12:20 The example of Isaiah 2: 12-16 “cedars and oaks” and “high mountains and lofty hills”02:18:45 Isaiah 9:3 “thou hast increased their joy”02:24:20 Gerardo found his own examples02:32:24 Examples in Isaiah 14:3 “in that day”02:38:59 Isaiah 49:1 “O ye distant lands”02:48:10 Example Isaiah 29:11 “read it, for it is sealed up”02:56:50 If this is the most correct book why was so much of it changed?Mormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:One-time or recurring donation through DonorboxSupport us on PatreonPayPalVenmoOur Platforms:YouTubePatreonSpotifyApple PodcastsContact us:MormonStories@gmail.comPO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117Social Media:Insta: @mormstoriesTikTok: @mormonstoriespodcastJoin the Discord

On this episode of Mormonish Podcast, Rebecca and Landon sit down with returning guest Lars Nielsen to discuss the responses to his book, "How The Book of Mormon Came to Pass: The Second Greatest Show on Earth." Since its publication, Lars has interacted with and gotten feedback from a number of scholars and academics, as well as others who have read the book and want to weigh in. The most public back and forth has been occurring between Lars and scholar Dan Vogel, with each of them publishing video responses to address each other's points. Lars delves into these exchanges and also presents new information on what he believes could be the origin of the Book of Mormon in this really interesting episode of Mormonish.***How to DONATE to Mormonish Podcast: If you would like to help financially support our podcast, you can DONATE to support Mormonish Podcast here: Mormonish Podcast is a 501(c) (3) https://donorbox.org/mormonish-podcast ****WE HAVE MERCH! **** If you'd like to purchase Mormonish Merch, you can visit our Merch store here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/mormonishmerch We appreciate our Mormonish viewers and listeners so much! Don't forget to LIKE and SUBSCRIBE to Mormonish Podcast! Contact Mormonish Podcast: mormonishpodcast@gmail.com #mormonish #lds #mormon #exmormon #postmormon #religion #news, #ldschurch #comeuntochrist #churchofjesuschrist #churchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints #byu #byui #josephsmith #comefollowme #polygamy #bookofmormon #becauseofhim #hearhim #ldstempleFAIR USE DISCLAIMER All Media in this video (including the thumbnail) is used for the purpose of review and critique. The images in the thumbnail are used as the primary means of visually identifying the subject matter of the video.

In this episode, Sandra Tanner and Chris delve into key figures and moments in Mormon historical scholarship. They discuss individuals like Dee Jay Nelson, Mark Hoffman, and Wesley Walters, highlighting their contributions to uncovering evidence that challenges official LDS narratives, including the Palmyra revivals and the 1826 trial of Joseph Smith. The conversation touches on the work of scholars like Dan Vogel, Stan Larson, and D. Michael Quinn, as well as influential writers such as Fawn Brodie. Topics include changes in the Book of Mormon, early Mormon controversies, and the deeper complexities of Mormon history. This episode provides a compelling exploration of the intersection between faith, evidence, and critical analysis. Show Notes YouTube Mormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donation through Donorbox Support us on Patreon PayPal Venmo Our Platforms: YouTube Patreon Spotify Apple Podcasts Contact us:MormonStories@gmail.comPO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Social Media: Insta: @mormstories TikTok: @mormonstoriespodcast Join the Discord

Join us for a discussion with Sandra Tanner and Dan Vogel as we explore a remarkable video featuring BYU Professor and leading Mormon historian Steven C. Harper. In this video, Harper addresses key issues with the First Vision narrative and acknowledges several challenges raised by the CES Letter. Show Notes YouTube Mormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donation through Donorbox Support us on Patreon PayPal Venmo Our Platforms: YouTube Patreon Spotify Apple Podcasts Contact us:MormonStories@gmail.comPO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Social Media: Insta: @mormstories TikTok: @mormonstoriespodcast Join the Discord

Referencias: - Tesoros resbaladizos, Ask Gramps: https://askgramps.org/slippery-treasure-mean/ - "Tesoros deleznables" en Central de las Escrituras: https://centraldle.es/knowhy/por-que-samuel-dijo-que-las-riquezas-de-algunos-nefitas-se-volverian-deleznables - Jaime Lara, "Sacred Blood: The Lithurgy of Human Sacrifice": https://ism.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Sacred%20Blood.pdf - Dan Vogel, "The Locations of Joseph Smith's Early Treasure Quests" - https://www.dialoguejournal.com/articles/the-locations-of-joseph-smiths-early-treasure-quests/

In this episode Hebrew Voices #194 - Pious Fraud, Nehemia and Dan Vogel discuss a shared concept in early Mormonism and rabbinical Judaism about lying for the Lord, what biblical studies can learn from Mormon history, and the dangers of … Continue reading → The post Hebrew Voices #194 – Pious Fraud appeared first on Nehemia's Wall.

In this episode of Hebrew Voices #192 - Early Mormonism on Trial, Nehemia welcomes back Dan Vogel to discuss the uncovering of Joseph Smith's court hearing documents, his background digging for treasure using seer stones, and the influence of folk … Continue reading → The post Hebrew Voices #192 – Early Mormonism on Trial appeared first on Nehemia's Wall.

Watch the Sneak Peek of this episode of Support Team Study, Mormon Chains of Authority: Part 2, Nehemia continues his discussion with Dan Vogel about an early conspiracy theory to explain how an uneducated farm boy wrote the Book of … Continue reading → The post Support Team Study SNEAK PEEK! Mormon Chains of Authority: Part 2 appeared first on Nehemia's Wall.

This is Part 2 of our dive into Episode 5 of A Marvelous Work, investigating the claims of “Book of Mormon Central” around the witnesses of the Book of Mormon. Told through the commentary of Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and guest host Dan Vogel, we use our spiritual eyes to examine the facts of… Read More »Who Factually Saw the Gold Plates? Part Deux: A Marvelous Work And A Blunder [ML 186]

This is Part 2 of our dive into Episode 5 of A Marvelous Work, investigating the claims of “Book of Mormon Central” around the witnesses of the Book of Mormon. Told through the commentary of Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and guest host Dan Vogel, we use our spiritual eyes to examine the facts of… Read More »Who Factually Saw the Gold Plates? Part Deux: A Marvelous Work And A Blunder [ML 186] The post Who Factually Saw the Gold Plates? Part Deux: A Marvelous Work And A Blunder [ML 186] appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.

This is Part 2 of our dive into Episode 5 of A Marvelous Work, investigating the claims of “Book of Mormon Central” around the witnesses of the Book of Mormon. Told through the commentary of Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and guest host Dan Vogel, we use our spiritual eyes to examine the facts of… Read More »Who Factually Saw the Gold Plates? Part Deux: A Marvelous Work And A Blunder [ML 186]

In this episode of Hebrew Voices #190, Mormon Chains of Authority: Part 1, Dr. Nehemia Gordon welcomes back Dan Vogel to discuss a modern-day American prophet's claim of divine authority, Mormon beliefs about Jesus' arrival to America, and the redefinition … Continue reading → The post Hebrew Voices #190 – Mormon Chains of Authority: Part 1 appeared first on Nehemia's Wall.

We dive into Episode 5 of A Marvelous Work, investigating the claims of “Book of Mormon Central” around the witnesses of the Book of Mormon. Told through the commentary of Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and guest host Dan Vogel this one is bound to better than a vision performed via Second Sight. Book of… Read More »Who Factually Saw the Gold Plates? A Marvelous Work And A Blunder [ML 185]

We dive into Episode 5 of A Marvelous Work, investigating the claims of “Book of Mormon Central” around the witnesses of the Book of Mormon. Told through the commentary of Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and guest host Dan Vogel this one is bound to better than a vision performed via Second Sight. Book of… Read More »Who Factually Saw the Gold Plates? A Marvelous Work And A Blunder [ML 185] The post Who Factually Saw the Gold Plates? A Marvelous Work And A Blunder [ML 185] appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.

We dive into Episode 5 of A Marvelous Work, investigating the claims of “Book of Mormon Central” around the witnesses of the Book of Mormon. Told through the commentary of Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and guest host Dan Vogel this one is bound to better than a vision performed via Second Sight. Book of… Read More »Who Factually Saw the Gold Plates? A Marvelous Work And A Blunder [ML 185]

In this episode of Hebrew Voices #183, Early Mormonism Revealed: Part 1, Nehemia continues his discussion with Dan Vogel exploring parallels between Mormonism and Islam, Joseph Smith's attempt to establish a theocratic empire on the American frontier, and the rapidly-shifting … Continue reading → The post Hebrew Voices #183 – Early Mormonism Revealed: Part 1 appeared first on Nehemia's Wall.

It's time for our next installment of Huge Niblet's Approaching Zion! He spends basically the entire section lamenting higher education and any information from sources other than the “p”rophet's counsel. Does he want us to be zealous, or learned? Nobody knows! But before that we have a quick debrief and error correction from the last episode of Mormonism Live with Dan Vogel and Bryce discussing the Spalding theory of Book of Mormon authorship. Don't miss the discussion linked below. Then we round out the episode with some happy news about Christians getting supermad about being held to the same legal standard as non-Christians.   Show Notes:   Mormonism Live Spalding discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwLZ68Z6LAI&t=6201s   ChurchisTrue authorship analysis: https://wheatandtares.org/2020/04/23/book-of-mormon-wordprint-studies-in-2020/?fbclid=IwAR2KodKO9RYp69XCm0rtDCHkzSyd2i6Knmbu-asaDyFFnyNZvMIPGtf3Zb8   Happy News:  https://www.christianpost.com/news/canadian-bill-would-remove-religious-exemption-from-hate-speech.html   Sword of Laman: https://archive.org/details/mindofman0000nige/mode/2up?view=theater   Go get your Glass Box Candle!  https://exmocandles.com/creator-candles/ Look for the Destroying Angel.    Other Appearances:    Come see us on Aron Ra's YouTube channel! He's doing a series titled Reading Joseph's Myth BoM. This link is for the playlist:   https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXJ4dsU0oGMKfJKvEMeRn5ebpAggkoVHf  Check out his channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@AronRa   Email: glassboxpodcast@gmail.com  Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/GlassBoxPod  Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/glassboxpodcast Twitter: https://twitter.com/GlassBoxPod  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/glassboxpodcast/  Merch store: https://www.redbubble.com/people/exmoapparel/shop Or find the merch store by clicking on “Store” here: https://glassboxpodcast.com/index.html One time Paypal donation: bryceblankenagel@gmail.com   

In the “Rigdon-Spalding Theory: Final Analysis,” Bill Reel and RFM delve into the conclusive examination of the theory, welcoming historians and experts Dan Vogel and Bryce Blankenagel. Together, they provide valuable insights, critique, and a comprehensive perspective on the historical aspects surrounding the Rigdon-Spalding theory. The episode serves as a culmination of their exploration, offering… Read More »Rigdon Spalding Theory: Final Analysis [Mormonism Live 170]

In the “Rigdon-Spalding Theory: Final Analysis,” Bill Reel and RFM delve into the conclusive examination of the theory, welcoming historians and experts Dan Vogel and Bryce Blankenagel. Together, they provide valuable insights, critique, and a comprehensive perspective on the historical aspects surrounding the Rigdon-Spalding theory. The episode serves as a culmination of their exploration, offering… Read More »Rigdon Spalding Theory: Final Analysis [Mormonism Live 170] The post Rigdon Spalding Theory: Final Analysis [Mormonism Live 170] appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.

In the “Rigdon-Spalding Theory: Final Analysis,” Bill Reel and RFM delve into the conclusive examination of the theory, welcoming historians and experts Dan Vogel and Bryce Blankenagel. Together, they provide valuable insights, critique, and a comprehensive perspective on the historical aspects surrounding the Rigdon-Spalding theory. The episode serves as a culmination of their exploration, offering… Read More »Rigdon Spalding Theory: Final Analysis [Mormonism Live 170]

Josh Gehly gives a non-LDS Defense of the Book of Mormon. He is an Evangelist (what LDS would call a Seventy) of the Church of Jesus Christ based in Monongahela, PA, and shares his book, "Witnessing Miracles" which deals with a defense of the Book of Mormon. He even takes on Dan Vogel! We'll talk more about his church, and find out of this "non-Mormon" gets discriminated against just like Mormons. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/c2TefZ01AZE Don't miss our other conversations with Josh: https://gospeltangents.com/people/josh-gehly transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

Movie Summary In 1881 David Whitmer seeks the signature of Gen. Alexander W. Doniphan on an affidavit attesting to his honesty and integrity, with plans to have it published in the local paper in Richmond Missouri with a statement refuting that he had denied his witness that an angel had shown him the gold plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated. Whitmer recalls the translation of the book in 1829 while Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery stayed at the Whitmer family home in Fayette, New York. After praying together, an angel shows them the plates. All three are later excommunicated from the church, but as Whitmer relates, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris testified to the end of their lives to the truthfulness of what they witnessed (dying in 1850 and 1875 respectively and after re-joining the church). Doniphan, a lawyer, signs the document and says that he would hate to argue in court against such strong evidence. Show Website Email: MormonMovieReviews@gmail.com MormonNewsRoundup MormonBookReviews EP 2 - Mormon Movie Reviews -The Three Witnesses (1963) • The Three Witnessess (1968) References Richard Lloyd Anderson's Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses Deseret Book 1989 https://www.amazon.com/Investigating-... Dan Vogel's Book of Mormon Witnesses YouTube series • Book of Mormon Witnesses - Pt 1 - The... New Witnesses Movie 2021, The interpreter Foundation Next MMR Film The Lost Manuscript (1974) Depicts the trials the Prophet Joseph Smith and his family endured during the translation of the Book of Mormon, and Martin Harris' role in the translation, and loss of the first 116 pages. Thanks so much for joining me to review this film, please like, subscribe, leave a comment, and join us next time for another episode of the MormonMovieReviews: Where LDS Movie Lovers Belong. So long. Support this channel! https://www.venmo.com/u/mormonmoviere... --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mormonnewsroundup/support

On a very special episode of Mormon Book Reviews, Evangelical Steven Pynakker interviews Jewish Scholar Dr. Nehemia Gordon. He hosts a YouTube channel Nehemia's Wall and he has a fascination with Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, and the Restoration in general. Nehemia interviews people from different religions and perspectives and he recently started a series of conversations with Dan Vogel about Joseph Smith and Mormon history. This is an epic interview just in time for the beginning of the Feast of Tabernacles! I hope you enjoy it.Check out Nehemia's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Nehemiaswall... Link to Join the Utah Interfaith Forum Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/utah.... Links to support Mormon Book Reviews: Venmo Link: https://account.venmo.com/u/mbrven PayPal Link: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/mormo... Patreon Link: https://www.patreon.com/mormonbookrev... Channel Merch Store: https://www.mormonbookreviews.com

Here is one from the archives. We released this episode with Jonathan Neville back on April 8, 2022. Jonathan Neville is a big-tent proponent when it comes to Book of Mormon beliefs.  Part of that likely stems from Heartland being shut out of groups like Book of Mormon Central. But Jonathan is also wants to keep the tent open for people who believe in a non-historical Book of Mormon. https://youtu.be/yfbOflp3OD4 Non-Historical Book of Mormon? Jonathan: But it all comes back to this Mesoamerican thing, because I think once the scholars convince people that Oliver Cowdery and Joseph Smith were wrong about the Hill Cumorah, that was like a chink in the armor. They could be wrong about anything else. They said, "If they were wrong about something they said was a fact, then they could be wrong about anything else." So, they can be wrong about the translation. I don't know if you know, Skousen recently published a thing in The Interpreter about how now he's saying that Oliver Cowdery deliberately misled everybody about the translation. GT 2:56:48 Royal Skousen. Jonathan 2:56:48 Royal Skousen. And I couldn't disagree more, but I understand why he says that because the Mesoamerican thing opened the door to questioning everything Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery taught, and you end up with, what's left? Everybody just kind of says, "Well, as long as you believe in Christ, that's all the matters." But, come on. I mean, when it gets down to it, the only evidence that we have of the restoration of the priesthood is from Oliver Cowdery. Joseph Smith talked about it, but he didn't talk about the event. Yet, they're saying Oliver Cowdery was wrong about the Hill Cumorah? So, what I advocate is not anybody agree with anything that I say. I advocate, let's get all the facts out, and then let's look at the different interpretations of the facts. You go all the way from Dan Vogel and Tom Murphy, through Jack Welch, John Sorenson and Dan Peterson. Then, over here we have Rod Meldrum, and Wayne May on the geography issue, or me on the translation or whatever. Let's just put all of them out and let's get rid of this citation cartel that censors things they don't like. The Interpreter, to me, is an appalling journal. It shouldn't even be considered an academic journal. GT 2:57:20 Yet, you read it. Jonathan 2:58:06 Well, I have a blog called The Interpreter Peer Reviewed, where once in a while someone will send me an article, "You've got to deal with this." I read it, okay. Then, what I would do is a peer review. I understand it's more of a peer approval process that it goes through with those guys, because everybody on their peer review process already drinks the Kool Aid. I mean, they don't consider an outside perspective, and I know, because I've talked with them. I know how they are, and you can read it in their journals. They get upset that I even talk about it. Dan Peterson freaks out. In Dan Peterson's own blog that he does on his Patheos, whatever, he's referred to me several times and wants everybody read this critical web page. There's a page that's critical of me all the time. At first, I thought, "Well, I should respond to that." But then I read it. It's so ludicrous. I feel like if people can't discern fact from sophistry, then that's on them. I'm not going to spend all my time tamping down all the sophistry going around. Jonathan 2:59:12 I just feel like people need to present the facts. If The Interpreter--the name Interpreter kind of tells it all, because they feel like they are the credentialed class. They are the ones that have been hired by the prophets to guide the rest of us, that kind of stuff which they've said. And the name Interpreter, alone, is a non-starter, because they're trying to interpret the scriptures for us. I think the scriptures are given to ordinary people that we can understand and interpret for ourselves. We don't need some scholars interpreting it for us.

In this episode of Hebrew Voices #164 – A Karaite Jew on Mormonism: Part 1, Nehemia brings on the foremost historian of early Mormonism, Dan Vogel. They discuss what Bible scholars can learn from Joseph Smith's cultural background of treasure … Continue reading → The post Hebrew Voices #164 – A Karaite Jew on Mormonism: Part 1 appeared first on Nehemia's Wall.

Dismantling Brian Hales’ Book of Mormon Defense: ML: 141 In this episode, hosts RFM and Bill Reel team up with LDS scholar Dan Vogel to critically examine the arguments put forth by LDS apologist Brian Hales in defense of the Book of Mormon’s authenticity. They discuss Hales’ reasons and defenses of why the BOM can’t… Read More »Dismantling Brian Hales’ Book of Mormon Defense: Mormonism LIVE: 141

Dismantling Brian Hales' Book of Mormon Defense: ML: 141 In this episode, hosts RFM and Bill Reel team up with LDS scholar Dan Vogel to critically examine the arguments put forth by LDS apologist Brian Hales in defense of the Book of Mormon's authenticity. They discuss Hales' reasons and defenses of why the BOM can't… Read More »Dismantling Brian Hales' Book of Mormon Defense: Mormonism LIVE: 141

Dismantling Brian Hales’ Book of Mormon Defense: ML: 141 In this episode, hosts RFM and Bill Reel team up with LDS scholar Dan Vogel to critically examine the arguments put forth by LDS apologist Brian Hales in defense of the Book of Mormon’s authenticity. They discuss Hales’ reasons and defenses of why the BOM can’t… Read More »Dismantling Brian Hales’ Book of Mormon Defense: Mormonism LIVE: 141 The post Dismantling Brian Hales’ Book of Mormon Defense: Mormonism LIVE: 141 appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.

In this episode, Lindsay and Bryan discuss the history of the only United States military regiment ever mustered specifically from a religious group: The Mormon Battalion. Shownotes: Donate to Sunstone and the History Podcast (leave us a note in the comment section to say hi!) Register for the Sunstone Summer Symposium Charisma Under Pressure: Joseph Smith, American Prophet, 1831–1839 (Dan Vogel).  From Iowa to Immortality: A Tribute to the Mormon Battalion by Elder Lance B. Wickman The Mormon Battalion's Manifest Destiny: Expansion and Identity during the Mexican-American War by Natalie Brooke Coffman of University of Vermont The Mormon Battalion by Sherman L. Fleek Reddick Allred's journal

Dan Vogel sits down with RFM & Bill not only to talk about his new book “Charisma under Pressure: Joseph Smith, American Prophet, 1831–1839” but to also flesh out some of the incredible ideas in his recent YouTube video “Joseph Smith, the Necromancer”. RESOURCES: Twilit Grotto — Esoteric Archives – esotericarchives.com/ Old Bountiful Museum –… Read More »Mormon Magic Parchments: Mormonism LIVE: 132

Dan Vogel sits down with RFM & Bill not only to talk about his new book “Charisma under Pressure: Joseph Smith, American Prophet, 1831–1839” but to also flesh out some of the incredible ideas in his recent YouTube video “Joseph Smith, the Necromancer”. RESOURCES: Twilit Grotto — Esoteric Archives – esotericarchives.com/ Old Bountiful Museum –… Read More »Mormon Magic Parchments: Mormonism LIVE: 132

Dan Vogel sits down with RFM & Bill not only to talk about his new book “Charisma under Pressure: Joseph Smith, American Prophet, 1831–1839” but to also flesh out some of the incredible ideas in his recent YouTube video “Joseph Smith, the Necromancer”.RESOURCES:Twilit Grotto — Esoteric Archives – esotericarchives.com/Old Bountiful Museum – World of Urban… Read More »Mormon Magic Parchments: Mormonism LIVE: 132 The post Mormon Magic Parchments: Mormonism LIVE: 132 appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.

The third in a three-part miniseries where Bryan and Lindsay discuss the development of race in Mormon theology through a historical lens. Shownotes: Donate to Sunstone and the History Podcast (leave us a note in the comment section to say hi!) Register for the Sunstone Summer Symposium Charisma Under Pressure: Joseph Smith, American Prophet, 1831–1839 (Dan Vogel).  "The Chosen Seed: Reexamining Mormon Conceptions of Race and Lineage Forty Years after Official Declaration 2”—Sunstone presentation (Stirling Adams, Matt Harris and Newell Bringhurst). “Mormonism's Negro Doctrine: An Historical Overview”—Dialogue (Lester Bush). Mormonism and White Supremacy: American Religion and the Problem of Racial Innocence (Joanna Brooks).  Nobody Knows: The Untold Story of Black Mormons—DVD (Margaret Young and Darius Gray) 

The third in a three-part miniseries where Bryan and Lindsay discuss the development of race in Mormon theology through a historical lens. Shownotes: Donate to Sunstone and the History Podcast (leave us a note in the comment section to say hi!) Register for the Sunstone Summer Symposium Charisma Under Pressure: Joseph Smith, American Prophet, 1831–1839 (Dan Vogel).  …

Brandon and Cody continue talking to Bryce Blankenagel, creator of the podcast "Naked Mormonism" and "The Glass Box" and Cody's co-author in their published paper "The Entheogenic Origins of Mormonism." Bryce goes in depth about how to sift through historical documents and research in attempt to communicate a compelling and reliable story. Brandon and Cody are tentatively holding a symposium on the subject of Mormonism's psychedelic and ceremonial magic history. Let them know if you're interested in attending or want more info by emailing RoughlyStoned@gmail.com.Show notes: - Bryce Blankenagel "Naked Mormonism Podcast" and "The Glass Box Podcast"- Cody Noconi "The Psychedelic History of Mormonism, Magic and Drugs"- Cody Noconi, Bryce Blankenagel, Dr. Robert Beckstead, Michael Winkelman "The Entheogenic Origins of Mormonism"- Robert Beckstead "Restoration and the Sacred Mushroom - Did Joseph Smith Use Psychedelic Substances to Facilitate Visionary Experiences"- Laurel Ulrich "A House Full of Females"- Cheryl Bruno "Method Infinite"- Dan Vogel "Early Mormon Documents" (this link is to just the first volume in the multi-volume series)- LaMar Peterson "Hearts Made Glad"- Increase McGee Van Dusen "1847 Endowment Account"Mormons on Mushrooms – Ways to ContributeOur podcast is supported by our amazing listeners and magical community. If you'd like to energetically contribute to what we're creating, there are several ways to do so:Become a PatreonSend a Contribution (buy us a booch)!Purchase Mormons on Mushrooms Merchandise

Brandon and Cody welcome Bryce Blankenagel, creator of the podcast "Naked Mormonism" and "The Glass Box" and Cody's co-author in their published paper "The Entheogenic Origins of Mormonism." Bryce talks in depth about Mormon psychedelic history and the fascinating story of the development of their research paper. Brandon and Cody are tentatively holding a symposium on the subject of Mormonism's psychedelic and ceremonial magic history. Let them know if you're interested in attending or want more info by emailing RoughlyStoned@gmail.com.Links:- Bryce Blankenagel "Naked Mormonism Podcast" and "The Glass Box Podcast"- Cody Noconi "The Psychedelic History of Mormonism, Magic and Drugs"- Cody Noconi, Bryce Blankenagel, Dr. Robert Beckstead, Michael Winkelman "The Entheogenic Origins of Mormonism"- Robert Beckstead "Restoration and the Sacred Mushroom - Did Joseph Smith Use Psychedelic Substances to Facilitate Visionary Experiences"- Laurel Ulrich "A House Full of Females"- Cheryl Bruno "Method Infinite"- Dan Vogel "Early Mormon Documents" (this link is to just the first volume in the multi-volume series)- LaMar Peterson "Hearts Made Glad"- Increase McGee Van Dusen "1847 Endowment Account"Mormons on Mushrooms – Ways to ContributeOur podcast is supported by our amazing listeners and magical community. If you'd like to energetically contribute to what we're creating, there are several ways to do so:Become a PatreonSend a Contribution (buy us a booch)!Purchase Mormons on Mushrooms Merchandise

I am so excited to be able to feature the host of the new up & coming Youtube channel "Mormonism with the Murph"! This Northern Ireland based channel has already booked some of the biggest names in Mormon scholarship including Dan Vogel & Brian Hales. Get to know "The Murph" on a special Mormon Media Reviews segment here on MBR. #lds #bookofmormon #mormonismwiththemurph

Dan Vogel joins RFM to discuss the Occult in the Life of Joseph Smith and his family.

Dan Vogel joins RFM to discuss the Occult in the Life of Joseph Smith and his family.

Dan Vogel joins RFM to discuss the Occult in the Life of Joseph Smith and his family. The post Mormonism LIVE: 094: Joseph Smith & The Occult appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.

Dan Vogel joins RFM to discuss the Occult in the Life of Joseph Smith and his family. The post Mormonism LIVE: 094: Joseph Smith & The Occult appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

Jerald and Sandra Tanner became some of the most beloved and despised people ever to research the historical roots of the Mormon religion. In this series of episodes with Sandra (Jerald is now home with Jesus) she shares their story. In this fourth episode she chronicles the rise of Utah Lighthouse Ministry from its humble beginnings as Modern Microfilm, creating mimeographed sheets of LDS source material for doubting family and friends, to eventually printing the epic length volume Mormonism: Shadow or Reality?  Along the way Sandra and Jerald connected with Wes Walters, and were influential in the lives of historians like Dan Vogel, Michael Marquardt, and Brent Metcalf, creating a new wave of Mormon historical research that started a "cold war" of between LDS and non-LDS historians of Mormonism to determine its true origins and how that story should be told. Their faith and trust in Jesus to provide for their family was rewarded time and again with just what they needed to keep moving forward. 

RFM and Bill sit down once again with Dan Vogel and Brent Metcalfe to examine the problems with the Book of Abraham as a translation of an ancient document in a sacred text for Mormonism generally and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints specifically. Dan and Brent share their scholarship and help us […]

RFM and Bill sit down once again with Dan Vogel and Brent Metcalfe to examine the problems with the Book of Abraham as a translation of an ancient document in a sacred text for Mormonism generally and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints specifically. Dan and Brent share their scholarship and help us… Read More »Mormonism LIVE: 070: Critical Scholarship and Book of Abraham Historicity

RFM and Bill sit down once again with Dan Vogel and Brent Metcalfe to examine the problems with the Book of Abraham as a translation of an ancient document in a sacred text for Mormonism generally and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints specifically. Dan and Brent share their scholarship and help us […] The post Mormonism LIVE: 070: Critical Scholarship and Book of Abraham Historicity appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.

RFM and Bill sit down once again with Dan Vogel and Brent Metcalfe to examine the problems with the Book of Abraham as a translation of an ancient document in a sacred text for Mormonism generally and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints specifically. Dan and Brent share their scholarship and help us … Continue reading "Mormonism LIVE: 070: Critical Scholarship and Book of Abraham Historicity" The post Mormonism LIVE: 070: Critical Scholarship and Book of Abraham Historicity appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

RFM and Bill Reel sit down with Dan Vogel and Brent Metcalfe on this week's episode of Mormonism LIVE ! And you aren't going to believe the stories these two have.