Podcasts about Nephi

In this week's episode, I speak with Hank Smith, the co-host of the followHIM podcast and a beloved religious educator. I wanted to chat with him about the insights he has gained while teaching the history and theology of the Abrahamic covenant. Hank shares how shifting our perspective toward being children of the covenant transforms our understanding of the Restoration by moving it away from a focus on an organizational church structure and toward the gathering of a people, the house of Israel, designed to bless every family of the earth.This is a wonderful opportunity to learn about doctrine that can sometimes seem too distant to have relevance for us individually. The way Hank discusses this topic can help us deepen our faith and come away feeling uplifted and ready to serve with greater conviction.Some highlights from this episode include:A Welcome Guest: One of the favourite voices in the Latter-day Saint community joins the show, discussing a mutual excitement for finally getting to sit down for this long-overdue interview.The Blueprint of the Covenant: Hank breaks down the covenant, detailing why Genesis slows down to focus so tightly on Abraham and Sarah's family because it is the family through which all the families of the earth will be blessed.The Overlooked Focus of the Book of Mormon: A deep dive into why Nephi and Jacob were so uniquely passionate about Isaiah's prophecies, revealing how reading the Book of Mormon acts as a literal detector for finding those who are willing to let God prevail. The "One-by-One" Ministry: A powerful exploration of why the Savior works through individual, micro-level relationships rather than grand macro-scales, mirroring the individual nature of the temple veil and the sacrament.The Purpose of the Scattering: An insightful look into the allegory of the olive tree in Jacob 5, showing how the Lord's scattering of Israel was a deliberate act of love designed to save and preserve His tree.A One-by-One Invitation: A special invitation for listeners to actively participate in the gathering of Israel by focusing on individuals, stepping up to help those around them make and keep sacred covenants.You can find Hank's work and connect with him at the following links:Referenced article mentioned in the episode:https://rsc.byu.edu/vol-27-no-1-2026/covenant-identity-work-gathering-israelBYU Religious Studies Center, Hank R. Smith Articles:https://rsc.byu.edu/author/smith-hank-r#:~:text=RSC%20Books%20Edited%20by%20This%20Author.%20Give,Educator%20Vol.%2027%20No.%201%20%C2%B7%202026.hanksmith.comfollowHim Podcast:https://www.youtube.com/c/FollowHimOfficialChannelFollow For All The Saints on social media for updates and inspiring content:www.instagram.com/forallthesaintspodhttps://www.facebook.com/forallthesaintspod/For All The Saints episodes are released every Monday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts and more:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVDUQg_qZIU&list=UULFFf7vzrJ2LNWmp1Kl-c6K9Qhttps://open.spotify.com/show/3j64txm9qbGVVZOM48P4HS?si=bb31d048e05141f2https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/for-all-the-saints/id1703815271If you have feedback or any suggestions for topics or guests, connect with Ben & Sean via hello@forallthesaints.org or DM on InstagramConversations to Refresh Your Faith.

In this episode of The Reformed Brotherhood, Tony Arsenal and Jesse Schwamb bring their extended series on the parables of Matthew to a powerful climax with the passage most listeners have been waiting for: the Sheep and the Goats (Matthew 25:31–46). Far from a checklist of works required for salvation, this text is unpacked as the master parable of Christ's entire parabolic ministry — a sovereign declaration of divine election, not a merit-based audit of individual performance. Tony and Jesse explore why this passage has been chronically misread as a call to works righteousness, why the language of inheritance and predestination is front and center, and how a Reformed reading liberates rather than burdens the conscience. Along the way, they weigh in on Herman Bavinck's prescient warning about media distraction, and Jesse recommends a Puritan gem on anxiety worth picking up immediately. Key Takeaways The Sheep and Goats is best understood as a parable, or at minimum parable-adjacent. The Greek construction in verse 31 mirrors the same comparative language Christ uses throughout his parabolic ministry, placing this text firmly within that tradition rather than outside it. The kingdom was prepared before any works were done — this is election language. The phrase "inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (v. 34) is not a reward for performance; it is the language of sovereign predestination preceding all human action. The works of the sheep are diagnostic, not causative. What the righteous did reveals who they already were — sheep — rather than being the mechanism by which they became sheep. The beak doesn't make the bird. Both groups are surprised, and that surprise is the parabolic punchline. Neither the sheep nor the goats anticipated the verdict they received, which undermines any reading that frames this text as an encouragement to accumulate saving merit. This passage is a recapitulation of the wheat and tares parable. Sheep and goats co-mingled until the moment of final separation, just as wheat and tares grow together until the harvest — the judgment reveals what was always true. Any theology that requires a human contribution to activate or complete salvation misreads this text.Whether Roman Catholic, Arminian, or Mormon in flavor, every view that makes God's preparation of the kingdom contingent on foreseen human merit fundamentally inverts the logic of the passage. The scope of judgment — "all nations" (ta ethnos) — would have been scandalous to first-century Jewish ears. This language deliberately expands the kingdom beyond ethnic Israel, fulfilling the Abrahamic covenant promise and confounding the assumptions of the religious elite. Key Concepts The Kingdom Prepared Before Your Works: Sovereign Election, Not Merit When the King says to those on his right, "Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matthew 25:34), the theological weight of that single sentence is staggering. The kingdom was not prepared in response to anything the sheep did. It was prepared before time, before works, before choice — which means the works that follow in the passage cannot be the grounds of that inheritance. Only a Calvinistic understanding of election can sustain this logic without remainder. Arminian views require God to foresee a qualifying human response; Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox views require some degree of meritorious participation; even certain Lutheran frameworks lean on non-resistance to grace. Reformed theology alone places the entire cause within God's sovereign, unconditional decree — and this passage, read plainly, says exactly that. Works as Evidence, Not Ground: The Diagnostic Function of This Parable The great pastoral error in preaching this passage is treating it as a performance rubric — a list of charitable acts that, if completed, qualify a person for eternal life. But Christ does not separate the sheep from the goats because of what they did or failed to do. He separates them, and then describes the activity that characterized each group. The works are revelatory. They surface what was already true of each person's nature, just as a bird's beak reveals its species rather than constituting it. This reframing is liberating precisely because it means assurance does not rest on tallying acts of charity. It rests on the sovereign act of a Father who prepared a kingdom and the regenerating work of the Spirit who produces, in those He has claimed, a life that looks like the one described here. "All Nations": The Scandal of an Ethnically Inclusive Kingdom The Greek phrase ta ethnē — translated "all nations" in most English Bibles — would have landed very differently on first-century Jewish ears, particularly those of the Pharisees and Sadducees who comprised a significant portion of Christ's audience throughout Matthew 24–25. To them, ta ethnē meant the Gentiles, the peoples out there, those outside the covenant. The implicit effect of Christ's language is to place every people group — including Israel — within a single undifferentiated mass standing before his throne, with no ethnic group receiving preferential standing at the bar of judgment. This is entirely consistent with the Abrahamic promise of blessing to all families of the earth (Genesis 12:3), the vision of Psalm 2, and the missionary thrust of the Great Commission. The scandal is not incidental — it is the point. The kingdom Christ is ushering in is not the ethnic-nationalist kingdom the religious establishment expected. Memorable Quotes The kingdom of heaven was prepared for those whom Christ has elected before the foundation of the world, and it was the preparation of that kingdom that brought you through this such that you did the good works that you did... That is caused by the fact that God prepared a kingdom for you in advance, not that you somehow caused this kingdom to be prepared for you. - Tony It's not the beak that makes it the sparrow, it's the sparrow that makes it the kind of beak it is. That's the kind of classification we're talking about in this parable. - Tony The best freedom is the one that turns over all things to God and takes him at his word when he says, 'In love you were predestined to inherit this as sons and daughters of the kingdom,' so that he does all the work, because we do not want to have any of that work our own. - Jesse Full Transcript [00:01:11] Jesse Schwamb: Welcome to episode 498 of the Reformed Brotherhood. I'm Jesse  [00:01:19] Tony Arsenal: And I'm Tony, and this is the podcast with ears to hear. Hey, brother.  [00:01:24] Jesse Schwamb: Hey, brother. They said it couldn't be done. They said we couldn't come back. We wouldn't come back and continue in Matthew 25. But here we are, and we're ending this chapter in this whole section about sheep and goats. Everybody was clamoring for it. Everybody wanted to know, what about the sheep and the goats? And I think the last time we all chatted together, we prefaced it by saying it's parable adjacent. Or let's just say- Yes ... we just stacked up these three other parables, lots of things going on, and then Jesus resolves this or brings all these parables to a culmination by speaking about the end times, the end of all things, and the sheep and the goats. Yeah. And so we gotta go there  [00:02:06] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah, I'm stoked.  [00:02:07] What Counts Parable [00:02:07] Tony Arsenal: And y- you know, I, I was talking with a brother at, um, at church yesterday on the Lord's day, and he was asking how the podcast's going and what we're doing. And, you know, I was kind of thinking, like, I was talking about the parables and how we're kind of moving forward, and we were gonna do some of the I am sayings in John. And, and I was thinking, like, what is a parable anyways? And who decides what a parable is and what a parable isn't? Right. Um, some of the parables Christ calls a parable, others he doesn't. Uh, we'll probably talk a little bit about that when we get to, uh, some of the back half of Luke. But this, this episode I think is gonna be really, really the payoff and really the culmination of not just these, like, this trio of or trilogy of parables that we've talked about, but I think really, like, the payout of all of the parables in Matthew. It's really, like, the summary of all of Christ's parabolic teachings. So it's, it's a good place for us to round out Matthew, and then we'll, we'll dip into the parables in the other gospels, probably have a couple more months of, of, uh, parable talk before we move on to the next thing. But, uh, it's been great, and I'm super, super stoked for this. This is one of my favorite passages, actually, and there's so much to dig into. I, I, I'm just gonna say now, we probably won't make it through the whole thing- Right ... uh, because there's a lot there. But we'll see. We'll see how we do. Maybe Jesse and I will be super efficient tonight, uh, but we usually aren't, so. [00:03:27] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah, that's never happened. We, we take it low and slow. Not only that- ... it was reminding me as you spoke about that kind of proverb generally of if you wanna go build a wall, you assess what you need, how many stones, and then you go gather those stones. Yeah. You should double it, or if you're gonna go out and fight an army, take stock of that army. That's basically what we do, but in reverse. Anytime, like, you just... I just heard you say- ... like, "It'll probably take us a couple more months," you should double that. That's probably how long- Yeah ... it's actually gonna take us.  [00:03:50] Faith Works Assurance [00:03:50] Jesse Schwamb: Even in this- Yeah ... conversation, I think we're gonna get stuck in the best way possible speaking about things like faith, works, and assurance because there's a lot of language here- Yeah that could seem on the surface to sit in this tension with justification by faith alone. And I think the key to resolving all that tension, as I hopefully think we'll see, lies in the readings of works as the evidence of living faith rather than its ground, and I think that's what- Yes ... Christ is leading us through all of these parables, actually, whether it goes back. And you should listen to all those episodes. In fact, I gotta ask. Th- I mean, this brother you were talking to, it just strikes me as that question had already be answered for him if you were listening to the podcast. So-  [00:04:29] Tony Arsenal: Yeah, I don't think he does. No, I don't think he does- ... listen to the podcast. Uh, he knows that I do the podcast, and he's very gracious to ask me about it. Tom. And I think he's probably listened to the podcast before. Got it. Um, and he's, he's just a very kind, gracious brother who, who is concerned and wants to know what I'm doing. And, um, he has, he has his own sort of, like, production stuff that he does that he enjoys that I'm, I'm not super keyed into. But, uh, it was just nice. But, but it did get me thinking, like, I was trying to explain to him where we were in the progress of the parables, and I was like, "I can't really... I don't really know," because, like, it's hard to even understand and fully... There's no, like, full comprehensive universal list of what is a parable- Right ... and what's not. And I think what we've found as we've been going through this is sometimes, sometimes you come up against a portion of a text that is often taught sort of separate from the, the rest of it. Parables get taught discreet from other parables. But then you have these sort of, like, intervening texts, or this one's kind of a summary text, that's so integrated to what the parable means you really can't do a series on these parables without also treating this text. Which is gonna be interesting, 'cause I've never, I've never encountered somebody who really roots this teaching here of Christ in the context of the parables, despite its proximity. So it'll be fun. We're gonna figure it out in real time, and, and it'll be good.  [00:05:47] Jesse Schwamb: No, it's gonna be fun.  [00:05:48] Deny Doomscrolling Bavinck [00:05:48] Jesse Schwamb: And speaking of fun, we're so glad that you're listening, and we know that you're waiting with bated breath to hear about affirmations or denials. It's of course that part of the conversation where we either affirm with something that we think is fantastic, maybe by way of recommendation, or conversely, we deny against something that isn't that great. So Tony, as is our custom in the liturgy of the Reformed Brotherhood podcast, I ask you once again, are you affirming with or deny against? [00:06:15] Tony Arsenal: I am denying against something, and I'm gonna do that by affirming a Herman Bavinck quote. Uh, so I'm gonna read it for you. This, uh... Some of the guys in the Facebook group have put... or the Facebook group, the Telegram chat, have put together a, uh, like, a reading group to work through Bavinck's, uh, Wonderful Works of God, which is great, and I'm loving it. I haven't been able to participate in the conversation as much as I would like to, but just being part of a reading group, uh, sort of keeps you on schedule, which is great. So I've been reading through Wonderful Works of God, and on the Kindle edition, on page 34, uh, which I think is still the, I think is still the, uh, introduction, he says, quote, "The reading of daily and weekly newspapers, of magazines and brochures, devours our every blink. There's a lack of desire and opportunity for the investigation of scripture and the study of old theological works," end quote. And when I read that, it just really struck me as like- If that was true like 70 years ago, 80 years ago when Bavinck was writing this, right? And all there was was hard, hard copy media. There was no, uh, there was no digital media. There was radio, but there wasn't a lot of programming. Uh, I don't think that there was much in the way of television broadcasting. If there was, it was, it was very, very limited and very rudimentary. Um, even then he was saying the daily news cycle and all of this extra stuff that is out there is consuming our, quote, "Every blink," which I thought was a really interesting phrase. Um, it's basically like it's so ingrained in us, we're so invested and obsessed with the news cycle. Uh, or you might translate that to like to our Twitter feed or our Facebook feed or our Instagram reels or whatever it might be, and dare I say it, the podcasts we listen to.  [00:08:05] Jesse Schwamb: Right.  [00:08:05] Tony Arsenal: Um, that we don't save time for scripture and other theological works. And I think it's funny too is that the, the eternal, uh, the eternal contemporary statement of the Reformed world is like we don't read enough old theological works. Even Bavinck, who I'm reading as one of the old... I mean, not like super old, but like one of the old theological works, is saying, "Hey, we don't read enough old theological works." So I'm denying this sort of like obsession we have with the daily news cycle and with constantly being up to date and like constantly consuming all of that. Um, we've talked about how like our modern global news cycle sort of, uh, is built around the deception that we can be sort of pseudo omnipotent and know all things about everything. And, um- There's a lot of work that's been done to show that, like, the world's not really that much, not that much more of a violent place than it was 100 years ago. We just know a lot more about what's going on- Right ... in other parts of the world. And there's pros and cons to that. But I think the main con is, like, we, we feel suddenly that we have to be, you know, deeply involved in the goings on of a church on the other side of the country that we never would've even known existed otherwise. It- there's just a, there's a sense of omnipotence and omnipresence that's just not becoming for the creature that I think we try to take on. So Bavinck knew it. Uh, we've talked about it. Lots and lots of people have talked about it. This isn't new. I'm not, I'm not e- engineering anything new on this. But that quote really struck me when I was reading. I was like, "Dang, man, he, he got it right 100 years ago or, or 80 years ago, and we're still struggling with it." And I think probably, like, if you go back and you look at the, I don't know, more occasional writings of people like Martin Luther and John Calvin, um, as they're interacting with, like, people in the Reformed community or the Protestant community, I bet you would find statements like this too about how, like, we really spend a lot of time reading, like, silly things and not spending- Right our time studying the scripture or studying, um, theological works. So that's my denial. I'm sticking to it, and if that means you feel like you need to turn this podcast off and go read some John Calvin or some Herman Bavinck, then by all means. Uh, I think you're probably going to be edified by what we have to talk about. But, uh, th- the Bible's better, so if you gotta go do it, if you only got- That's true ... an hour today to study scripture or listen to this podcast, please go study scripture. Yeah. Uh, hopefully we can do a little bit of both with this podcast. But Herman Bavinck said it best. Our every blink is consumed with pamphlets and newspapers and it just is- It's true it's pretty silly.  [00:10:41] Jesse Schwamb: It's true.  [00:10:42] Meme Detour Reading Groups [00:10:42] Jesse Schwamb: I gotta take us all the way back to where you started there, and I'm going to betray, to nobody's surprise, my really strong naivete when it comes- ... to social media, and memes in particular. But this is what occurred to me, and I'm gonna try it. This is, like, what classically makes really good podcasting. Let me try to describe a meme to you that I'm not even sure I actually understand or know. So this will be great. I think, you tell me, Tony, 'cause you may have seen this. It's an old meme too, so I'm not even, like, on the cutting edge here. I think it's a meme of two panels showing, like, two pictures of Drake. In know one he's kinda, like, pushing away as if to say, like, "Get that outta here," and the other one's like, "Oh yeah, that's the stuff." Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Is that accurate?  [00:11:21] Tony Arsenal: I do. I think you're gonna use it wrong, but yeah.  [00:11:23] Jesse Schwamb: Is that Drake? Okay, all  [00:11:24] Tony Arsenal: right. Yeah, that's, that's the meme.  [00:11:25] Jesse Schwamb: Okay, okay. And usually, if I understand it correctly, it's kind of like a faux juxtaposition of two things, right? Like, okay. So like here, let me try it. Uh, uh, let me just try it on everybody. Here we go. I'm gonna describe to you how I just interpret this based on what you said, 'cause something cracked me up that you said, Tony. If I were gonna make this meme just based on how you opened that up, the first panel would be like Drake pushing away the idea or being like, "That's no good," book club. The second one would be reading group, as in like, like the reading group is like the new cool way of like just kind of... Did I use it properly? Am I close?  [00:11:59] Tony Arsenal: I think the problem with this is that there's like a, there's like an ironic way to use it, and then there's like a more direct way to use it. Mm. Yeah. The direct way would be like some- like Drake's pushing away something that's bad, and he's- Yeah ... like accepting something that's good. That'd be like the direct way. Yes. The more ironic one is where like Drake is pushing away something that's actually pretty, actually pretty good, and he's- Yeah ... accepting the one that's pretty silly. Oh, okay. Um, there's a lot of memes that have that basic format. Never mind. There's one with like Jordi LaForge. I think there's a Michael Scott one. I tried. I tried. But yeah, no, I, I think yours is valid, it's just, I think it's an older usage of the meme. That's like the, that's like the middle English version of that meme. The Shakespearean use of that meme.  [00:12:36] Jesse Schwamb: Yeah. I'll take that. It's the old English style. I love a good book club or a reading group. A, a reading group just, it does have that sound like maybe somebody in the group has a monocle, or you guys have tea. Either way- Yeah ... I absolutely love it. And yes, what are our beautiful quotes. You kind of hear that general conception recapitulated among like theologians almost in every era. But it does make you think, what would Bavinck say about, like doom scrolling on the smartphone? Like- Yeah ... he's beside himself, right? It would just be beside himself. So I'm with you. I, it, there's gonna be a condemnation in every generation. Maybe I say this with some degree of like chronological snobbery, especially in ours, when it comes to not, like you said, I think kind of like not carving out or not prioritizing time in the scriptures. Yeah. There's not gonna be any excuse of like, "Well, I just didn't have time." Right. Or, "There were too many things to read." It's just, it's not gonna cut it. So I'm with you. I think you and I have talked about this at length, even just like the news media like you and I consume, like just s- set aside social media for a second. Just like how i- how much value is there in a lot of like what we cons- used to consider to be like well-informed reporting? How valuable is that to us? Yeah. And I'm certainly not saying like that everybody should be like unconcerned and uninterested in the world, but I think it's to what degree and what fascination we have with that, and how it fits into our priority as we consume information each day. That's the thing that's tricky, and there's no really-  [00:14:02] Tony Arsenal: Yeah ...  [00:14:02] Jesse Schwamb: good answer except to weigh out with the spiritual discernment- Yeah ... how we ought to consume that stuff. But certainly I think, without question, we need to be prioritizing time in prayer, time in the scriptures. I imagine if we were all doing that with a great deal of attention, that all of the other things would kind of find their way into the right place. Or let's say they would just find their way out of our lives in a significant way- Yeah ... that would remove us from distraction and anxiety, instead bring us back into the providence of God.  [00:14:31] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. And I'm not, I'm not gonna be the guy that tells you you can never s- you can never scroll Instagram or TikTok or whatever. Um, I, I think that's a decision that's between you and the Holy Spirit as far as how you spend your time. But I, I do think, um, I think you're right- We are accountable for the decisions we make and how- Right ... we choose to divide up our time. And I- God, I mean, God is the inventor of fun. He's the inventor of leisure, and he is, uh, I think he's pleased and honored when we, we make good use of our time f- for things that are restful and rejuvenating. Um, he doesn't expect us to just slavishly read scripture all day, every day, like every minute. That's not, that's not the biblical expectation. Um, and so I think it's fine if you wanna sit down and watch a fun show, or if you wanna watch some YouTube videos, or listen to a silly podcast, or listen to a serious podcast. Um, but I do, I agree. Like, we, we really need to be thoughtful. And I think where, where Bavinck's quote, uh, is strong is it's not so much about, "Don't read these things." Right. He, he's talking about these things consume our every blink. Like, m- he's treating blink... He's using the word blink as sort of a fill-in for like our, our finite resource of time and attention, and these things have consumed all of them. There's a very strong use of that word consume. Uh, and I, I think that's really the, the point that I'm trying to make is we often allow, either intentionally or unintentionally, we, we just let our time get all sucked up, uh, on things that maybe are good but are not pr- properly proportioned. Um- Like I said, it's, it's fine to spend some time on Twitter and to get into a debate once in a while, or to check in on your friends on Facebook, your old high school, college buddies or whatever, but we can definitely take it too far. So I think it's a good corrective for all of us to at least make a stop and think about how we're spending our time, and whether we are affording the appropriate amount of time to things like scripture, theological study, catechesis of our children, um, family worship, all of those good things. So we don't have to go much more into that. I think the point has been made. Uh, so Jesse, what are you affirming and/or denying tonight?  [00:16:43] Affirm Puritan Anxiety Cure [00:16:43] Jesse Schwamb: Perfect segue, because speaking of reading old things, you know me, I've always got some kind of Puritan work in the rotation, and the one I just finished is the one I'm affirming, which is called Special Providence for Anxious Souls by Obadiah Sedgwick, who I think is kinda... Like, people are sleeping on Sedgwick, you know? Mm-hmm. He's, he's kinda like, he's there in the wings, but we need to take him off the bench. And I came across this book and I thought, "Who doesn't want a title like that in their lives?" Like, we got some anxiety in all of our souls. And I'm affirming this because, uh, hi- his definitions, his writing is, are on point. But here's what I thought. I was embarrassed that I picked this up expecting one thing, and then in typical puritanical fashion, was delivered something else that was far better. And I was thinking about this title as you might see it, like, in your modern bookstore today, whether it's, like, in Barnes & Nobles or at any of the periodicals we were just kind of mentioning or implying that are out there. And I was expecting to get some kind of, I don't know, six or seven things, I mean, that's Puritan style, but six or seven things that would really help you diagnose the psychology, and then going back to the scripture in ways, all, all the ways we'd expect about how God loves us and cares for us, and all those things are true. And yet the only way I could describe how this book ministered to me is, like, how you might go to a physical therapist for some kind of ailment, which I have many as I get older, and have recently been to one. And the ailment I had was, um, basically like tarsal tunnel, which is like carpal tunnel for your foot. And so there was some nerves that were inflamed and causing some pain and some weirdness in my feet. And here's what I do know about physical therapy now that I think the Puritans also do for our souls, and that is the physical therapist gave me this full workup. They prodded me and poked me and rubbed things and made things hurt- And in the course of doing that, they clearly could figure out what was wrong with my foot. And so when he gave me the diagnosis, after, again, rubbing that part and, like, doing one of those things where he's like, you know, they tap on your hard and they're like, "Does that hurt?" I'm like, "Yes, it does hurt." And I presume that's because you know anatomy. And, you know, he's, he's ta- tapping on my ankle and it's causing my foot underneath to hurt. And after all that, you know, I run on a treadmill. He d- takes all this video, and this is what he says to me. He goes, "Yeah, so this is actually pretty straightforward." And I was like, "Great, so what are we talking about? Like exercises, uh, splints, like massage?" He's like, "You have a weak butt." And I was like- "I'm sorry, let's talk about that for a second." And this is what I've learned about physical therapy, is it's rarely about the thing that's actually bothering you or the thing that's hurt, right? It's something- Yeah ... far different. It's something almost seemingly, like, disjointed or removed or divorced from the very thing, maybe even non-contiguous, if only in our minds, maybe even logically. And so what I love about this is the first half of the book is just speaking about the province of God before it even gets into this idea of anxiety. And then the treatment on anxiety and worry is, he goes through, like, six or seven things in particular, are just absolutely glorious. So good that I want you to read it. I don't even want to talk about it. Uh, that, that's my admonishment to you, is that you should just go pick it up. So I'm affirming again that the Puritans in particular do this thing where there's, there's no cheap advice here. It's not even hide advice. It's really good advice, but it's the kind that says, "You have a weak butt" when you're concerned that your ankle- is messed up. Yeah. And that's sometimes what you need to hear. And in my case, after... Let's make this super weirdly spiritual. After doing a bunch of squats, I don't know what the spiritual equivalent is of that. After doing a bunch of squats, my ankle and my foot was so much better. And it, because I had somebody who cared enough for me to go through and actually diagnose the root of it, that was the reason that inevitably there was healing. So I've, this has given me so much to think about, this tiny little treatise. So much to put into practice. It's so rich, so good, so practical, and yet I think you'll find in many ways joyfully unexpected. So I highly affirm to everybody listening, and even those who aren't, Special Providence for Anxious Souls, Obadiah Sedgwick. You'll, you'll love it  [00:20:49] Tony Arsenal: Yeah.  [00:20:49] Physical Therapy Spiritual Practice [00:20:49] Tony Arsenal: So two thoughts. Uh, one, uh, I can confirm Jesse has a weak butt, um, flat as a board. So it's probably, probably better after, after doing some squats. Wow. Uh, two- Wow. ... uh, I can say I also am in some physical therapy right now, and I've been a little bit of a slacker. And what I will contribute to the conversation is just like in physical therapy, they can give you all of the exercises- Yeah uh, that you want. If you don't do the work, you're not going to get better. Yeah. And so whether it's Jesse doing squats or me not finding time to stretch and to do some, like, arm exercises with a, with a s- uh, like a TheraBand, uh, the same holds true. And, and maybe to unify our, uh, affir- our denials/affirmations into one mega, mega recommendation, um, the same holds true in that, one, we can take a book like this from, uh, Sedgwick, and we can turn it into the same thing we do with media where we're just... it's just devouring our blinks. Right. And we're just using it as a way to sort of, like, feed our eye hole Get better. You won't improve. Um, and that's actually the same with scripture. Like y-you can- Right ... turn scripture into, uh, into a snack food that you, you don't actually use to be nutritious. Um, I think there's probably more benefit to reading scripture sort of rote and, and almost mechanically than there is to reading anything else. But, um, but at the end of the day, you can also consume your blinks with scripture and not get a lot out of it if all you're doing is passing your eyes over text. So get in there. I think that's great. I haven't read that one. I mean, I think there's... I think there are probably many, I can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are many, many Puritan treaties that- treatises that are similar in theme and tone and have the same kind of like spiritual antidote or spiritual medicine, um, prescribed by these guys that is good and wholesome. And again, like, like you're saying, like it's not that complicated. It's not that hard. Right. It just takes- Right ... you just actually have to do the work. Um, it's funny, my physical therapy thing is my, my shoulder has been really ba- really messed up, and I went in, I expected him to give me all these, all these shoulder exercises, and he's like, "Uh Really what you need to do is you fix your neck, uh, 'cause your shoulder is, is being in- injured because you're sleeping- Okay on that side because you're trying to stay off the other side. So, like, you really gotta fix your neck so you can sleep on the other side of your body. And I was like, "So I'm just, like, sleeping wrong?" Like, it's funny, there's a joke, it's like in your 20s you can do anything you want, in your 30s, like, you gotta be a little bit careful, and in your 40s, like, you hurt yourself just sleeping. Right. Just getting out of bed is dangerous.  [00:23:46] Jesse Schwamb: It's  [00:23:46] Tony Arsenal: true.  [00:23:47] Jesse Schwamb: It's true. So. It's a tough world. But  [00:23:48] Tony Arsenal: it's true. I feel like a really old man saying that.  [00:23:51] Read Matthew 25 Aloud [00:23:51] Jesse Schwamb: You know, it strikes me that you're right, of course, that there's so much here we always have to put into practice. There's so much here that we have to trust with God. There's a faith that works. And so I think actually that is the most lovely inroad into this final passage of Matthew, because there's a lot here for us to talk about with all of those things, and to understand it in this proper context. So as you've already set us up, Tony, the best part of our podcast is the scripture, for sure, 100%. So let's go there. So we're in Matthew 25 in case you're just joining us. And for some reason I went into, like, a full radio mode, as if this, like, this is being broadcast live, and you just came into the program. We're in Matthew 25, uh, starting in verse 31, and I'm gonna read until the end of the chapter. There's so much here that of course we're not gonna get to all of it, but in the spirit of literally having the full context of the scripture in front of us, and to hear it all, I think it's important. It w- b- better yet, you should go back and read the entire chapter and then tune in right now. But let me start at verse 31. "But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate them one from another as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom which has been prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me in, naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me.  [00:25:32] Judgment Scene Read [00:25:32] Jesse Schwamb: I was in prison, and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him saying, "Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? And when did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and come to you?" And the King will answer and say to them, "Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of mine, even the least of them, you did it to me." Then he will say to those on his left, "Depart from me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angers-- angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink. I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me." Then they will themselves also answer saying, "Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not take care of you?" Then he will answer them saying, "Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me." And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life  [00:26:47] Tony Arsenal: Yeah.  [00:26:49] Parable Not Fear [00:26:49] Tony Arsenal: Yeah, it's, it's, um, it's a sobering passage. And just as I think we've seen in a lot of the other parables, um These eschatological parables and these eschatological sayings of Christ, uh, as you kind of alluded to earlier, I, I think they are really, really, um... They are not prone to being misinterpreted. Right. The church has been prone to misinterpreting and misapplying these, um, in a, in a way that's used to make, make the Christian fearful and to, uh, undermine their assurance rather than to call them to action or to accountability.  [00:27:33] Why It's A Parable [00:27:33] Tony Arsenal: Um, and I think a- as I've been reading through this and I've been sort of glancing at the Greek as we're reading, I actually think I'm on... I, I stumbled on much more better ground to treat this as a parable than I even originally thought I did. You know, I, I had this whole lead-up that this isn't technically a parable, but when you read here, when it says, in verse 31, it says, "When the Son of Man comes in glory and the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates- Right ... the sheep from the goats." If you go back to verse 14, when it says, "For it will be like a man," uh, that, that first word of verse 14 in the Greek is the same word as is used when it says, um, uh, "He separates people one from another as a shepherd." That same word is used as there, it's just translated differently because of where it comes in the, um, in the text. So Christ is still making this comparison, so it would be as though he said, um, you know, like the common, most common, at least so far, most common kind of parabolic introduction is like, "The Kingdom of Heaven is like." Um, this is the same basic language he's using here to introduce what the eschaton will be like. Right? The ga- the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate them. It says people in the ESV, but will separate them one from another. You could also say the, the nations or the peoples will be gathered before him. Right. He will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep. So the parable here is the s- the shepherd separating the sheep from the goats, this whole process of the separation and this, this, um, frankly, like it's, it feels and smells like a parable, right? It does. This, this, um, figure, this shepherd in the parable or the shepherd in the saying is saying these sort of like parabolic statements. He's using this language that's kind of like shocking punchline statement. Like we've talked about how in parables there's often this sort of unexpected turn of events, or there's this unexpected kind of shocking language, and this whole like twist at the end in both, sort of both s- chunks here, where like the sheep don't really understand, like they didn't really recognize that they were doing sheepy things, and the goats didn't really understand that they were being goats. That's like the parabolic twist or the parabolic punchline here. So the, the kingdom of heaven is like, basically it's like the Son of Man will come in his glory and it will be like this. It will be like a shepherd separating the sheep from the goats. That's the parabolic connection here. Mm-hmm. So I actually think that, that linguistically we're on, we're on pretty solid ground not just to treat this as a summary of all the parables, um- I think of for sure these three parables, but it, it really is like the master parable, and I think probably the master parable that kinda governs and constrains and explains all of the parabolic ministry of Christ. So I'm, I'm stoked for us to really dig into the details a little bit, but I think linguistically we're on super good ground to, to treat this as a parable. I agree. At the very least, it's stronger than just parable adjacent.  [00:30:44] Jesse Schwamb: Right.  [00:30:44] Tony Arsenal: It- but even if we aren't saying it's a parable proper, it's stronger than that. It still is using this kinda comparative ministry, comparative language that Christ has used throughout the parabolic, um, sayings of Christ.  [00:30:57] Jesse Schwamb: The construction seems a little bit less veiled because here we have Jesus implanting himself directly into the account.  [00:31:03] Tony Arsenal: Mm-hmm.  [00:31:04] Shepherd Imagery Stakes [00:31:04] Jesse Schwamb: At the same time, though, he's drawing on all the things you just said he does, especially with this allusion to shepherding, which would've been, of course, common throughout. So it seems to me a lovely bridge to all of the overt parables he's just told, but now he's bringing them all together and placing himself clearly as, like, the interpreter, as the identifier of all the things, as the one to seal up all of the edges, as it were. So it's clear that this is about the end times. All of these were all about the end times and about Jesus' role in them. And so of course here he identifies himself as the eschatological judge just to make it clear. He's the one who sits on his glorious throne, and that's significant, and that's why I think we sometimes feel like, well, this is not a parable because he's, he's being very, like, Christologically certain and direct here. You know, throughout scripture the final judgment is God's prerogative alone, but the Father has committed all that judgment to the Son, and here's Jesus affirming that. And so again, like Reformed theology, in all our conversations we've consistently emphasized that this text is in many ways, like, proof of Christ's full deity and his role as mediatorial king, and he's exercising his office as the judge at his return in glory. And though, like you said, at the same time, here's the cool parable kind of scent or flavor is you get all these nations, every person who has ever lived, not merely Israel or merely the church. And how does Jesus describe this? He goes back into parabolic language. And we got the shepherd imagery that- Yeah is, like, similar to Ezekiel 34 where God himself is judging between the sheep of his flock. And that separation, the shockingness of it, it's immediate, it's binary. There's no third category. There's only two eternal destinies. There's no purgatory, no middle ground, no post-mortem opportunity for repentance. So all that's at stake. And then again, the beauty of the language itself or the setup of the construction of the story as it unfolds is that both groups- Get the same speech with a change in do or do not, but they both ask the same question from, like, wildly different perspectives and standings. And that's the beautiful- Yeah thing to make reconciliation over is what does all this mean then? How is all this established and how is this final judgment come to be such that there are sheep and goats if, in fact, they're both doing the same things theoretically, or they're at least both asking the same questions of, well, when did this ever actually occur? That, that's what's for us to unpack either way.  [00:33:29] All Nations Gathered [00:33:29] Tony Arsenal: Yeah, and b- before we jump into, um, into the parable itself and start to unpack that, the other element that I think is worth, uh, and this just came to me so hopefully I'm not on too far of a, of a limb here. But the other element that I think is worth at least commenting on, um, we've, we've remarked, especially in these last three eschatological, um, parables, how much these are directed at the religious leaders, right? Right. The, the, the people are, um, the, the- the parables are told, um, in the context and sort of following up on these, this real directed, um, assault against the religious leaders who thought they were the ones, right? They're the ones that have a claim to the Kingdom of Heaven, they're the ones that, um, are the, you know, they're the ones that think they're doing the right thing, they're the ones that are ushering in God's kingdom. This little phrase here, "gathered all the nations," would also have really stuck in the craw of the religious leaders, right? Because the word for nations that's translated here is the same word that would el- elsewhere get translated as Gentiles, right? And the word people, when it says, "He will separate the people," that, that word people doesn't actually exist in the Greek. So if you translate this very literally, it'd say, "Before him will, will be gathered all nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats." Now, I don't wanna go the route of saying, like, this is a parable about, like, which pe- people group will be brought into the kingdom and which won't, and I've read some that go that direction. I don't wanna go there. But this idea that, like, even in the final judgment, the people who are in view here are the Gentiles, right? Right. I think most Jewish, particularly the, the Pharisees and the Sadducees hearing this, would've, would've read this and would've read ta ethnos, and would not have thought nations the way we do. Certainly would not have thought of, like, modern nation states. They might have been thinking maybe, like, people groups in general, but they would be thinking more along the lines of, like, Psalm, Psalm 2, like, "Why do the nations rage?" kind of nations. Why do the Gentiles rage? Why do the peoples plot in vain? They would've been thinking th- this, this, uh, judgment almost, at least on the face of it, almost excludes the Jews entirely when you think about it this way. It's really now sort of, like, zooming out where at the very least, at the minimal least, the Jews are just another people group within this broader judgment of the people group. Right. So again, like, we've seen this theme that Christ is continually expanding the scope of what is considered to be the Kingdom of Heaven to include not just the Jewish people, um, but all nations, all people groups, all Gentiles and Jews alike. And in a very real sense, um, and I wanna be careful how I've said this, I know I've commented this in the past, there's a very real sense of anti-Semitism that is prominent in- reform, quote-unquote reformed circles right now that is just vile and disgusting and sinful, and has no place in any sort of Biblical Christianity. But there is a reality that the Jewish people, broadly speaking, um, rejected the Messiah, at least while he was here on Earth. Um, relatively speaking, very few Jewish people, especially in the Jewish elite, like the leadership class, accepted Christ for who he was while he was here. Many Jews came to faith through the ministry of Peter, uh, and, and even through the ministry of Paul, even though he was an apostle to the Gentiles. So it's not as though it remained the case, but at this point in Christ's ministry, the Jewish people were by and large were rejecting him as Messiah. And so this idea and, and sort of this like final culmination now saying like he gathered all the, all the Gentiles, all of the peoples, all of the nations. In Jewish, in Jewish language and, and when you look in the Old Testament, and even in some of the New Testament literature, the nations were those people out there. So even if we don't translate this as Gentiles, we don't, we don't take that more like restrictive sense, even then it still implies that Christ is talking about people out there, the non-Jewish nations- Right are being gathered before his throne. And so that's not to say, absolutely not to say that the Jewish people, that, that the Jewish people of his day or the, the... This is where it gets tricky too, 'cause like we think about modern Israel and we, we import our understandings of like nation states. That's not what was in view here. The, the idea of a modern nation state was not a concept that existed in the first century. Um, you might have something like city states, but even that is kind of like a little bit ethereal. The idea here is that all people groups, and maybe, maybe we conceptualize Israel now as one of these people groups, the Israeli Jewish people as one of these people groups. All of those people groups, Jews, Gentiles, Scythians, Athenians, Spartans, like, uh, Ethiopians, you know, all of these different people- Right ... groups that are mentioned in the, the New Testament, all of those peoples, all of those nations are gathered before the throne, and then he will separate them one from another in the same way that a shepherd sep- separates the goats. [00:38:35] Group Judgment Assurance [00:38:35] Tony Arsenal: And yes, I think there is an individualistic, um, judgment element, and this is where I think, um... And, and then I'll, I'll pause for a second. This is where I think we can go wrong reading this as a parable about the individual judgment of individuals in the future That's not really what the language here is supporting. This is supporting sort of a broader group-based judgment, and the grouping is there are those who are sheep and there are those who are goats. But it doesn't appear as though Christ is saying like, "I'm evaluating each individual person, and this person is a sheep, this person is a goat." It's, it's a broader picture that, yes, has some implications for individual personal judgment, but when we read too much of that individual personal judgment into this parable that doesn't seem to be there, that's where we start to, like, rob individual Christians of their assurance. We start to say, like, "Did you do enough? Did you feed enough poor people or did you not?" That's not really, not really what's at stake here, I don't think.  [00:39:40] Jesse Schwamb: No, it's definitely not. It's, it's important to remember just the beauty of, like, the consistent theological thread that runs all the way through the Old Testament, and then that we might expect, of course, to be manifest in Christ's teachings, which happen exactly here. So he is going all the way back to that covenantal promise seed through Abraham, single seed, many people groups, many ethnicities. In this way, the gospel is ethnic inclusive. And so it is, why wouldn't he say that in this way to express that this is exactly from all time what God wanted to do is gather all people groups to himself? Which means then by the time we get to the end of this chapter in verse 46, and there is this righteousness that... or the righteous that lead or go into eternal life, then of course we're led to believe here either directly or implicitly that that means that there would be some for whom the Pharisees would find it's, like, anathema to receive that kind of righteousness and eternal life are the ones in fact who are getting it. And so even that is scandalous. So the, the whole thing is very much a setup, and I think it's the confusion again of this is Jesus saying again to the Sadducees, like, "You are confused. You do not know the power of God. You, you search for it everywhere else but do not find it in front of you. It, it's he who speak to you. I am he. You think you search the scriptures, but you do not know." Everywhere it feels like he's saying that, and here also he's saying that again, but it's in the setup. And I'm with you. I think that there would've been a lot here that would've, like, just come right off his lips that would've been like, "Say what?" Uh, that would've been, like, offensive right off- Yeah ... the top.  [00:41:16] Tony Arsenal: Yeah.  [00:41:17] Sovereign Separation [00:41:17] Tony Arsenal: And the other, the other theme that plays out really loud and clear here, um, as we start to dig into this is, um, there's a sovereignty to this separation that is baked into, um, the king's right to decide who to keep and who to cast away. Right. So I think we, we, um, understandably read into this an assessment of the productivity or the profitability or somehow the, like, merit or worth of the sheep as contrasted to the worth of the goats. Um, and we read into it like the sheep have utility and the goats don't, so the goats get cast into the- Right outer darkness. That's not really, that's not really what's going on here, right? In a, in an agrarian society, like sheep and goats both have utility. It's not as though, like, sheep are worthless and goats aren't. There's a reason people have goats. Um, th- the, the issue here is that the king has decided that there are those on his right and there are those on his left, and the ones on his right he's gonna keep, and the ones on his left he's gonna cast away. And, and so, um, there's this sovereign election and determination that precedes the rest of this, right? It's not as though he's ... And this is where the personal, sort of personal assessment part comes in. He doesn't look at a person and go, "All right, you did a g- enough good works to qualify as a sheep, so you go ahead and go over-" Right and be a sheep. And you didn't do quite enough, so you're actually a goat, so you go over and you be a goat." He looks at, he says, "Y- sheep, goat. Goat, sheep." You know, he, he's separating them out, and then he describes what sheep do versus what goats do. And I, I, like I'm even drawing some of this language out. The sheep goats part of this is actually only, like, a verse and a half. He then flips out of this parabolic language to now go back to the sort of strictly predictive eschatological ex- like explanatory language. So this is what it's like when the Son of Man is on, on his kingdom. He separates sheep and goats. We read into, and maybe with some good reason, but we read into Uh, we read into the fact that the sheeps go to one side, the goats go to another. Then we sort of like attribute the characteristics of those who go to his right to sheep, and we attribute the characteristics... And I think we do this the wrong way. How many sermons have you heard where the whole sermon is about how sheep are obedient, and they're, they're affable, and they listen, and they, they, they are sweet and kind, and goats are stubborn, and they, they just wreck everything, and they don't listen, right? And how many s- how many sermons have you heard where they talk about, like, well, sheep and goats really look the same in the Middle Eastern context, and the only way you can tell them apart is what, by what they do? I think there's probably some, uh, benefit to thinking through those elements, but Christ does not make that point in this parable- Mm ... at least not directly, right? He said, "This is the activity. Imagine a man who has sheep and he has goats. He takes the sheep, he puts them on one side. He takes the goats on another side." That's what the separation at the end of the time, at the end of time will be like. Then he goes straight back out of the parable language into saying, "This is how the king will actually make the distinction.  [00:44:29] Predestination Before Works [00:44:29] Tony Arsenal: The ones on his left, or on his right, he will say, 'Come, you're blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.'" Right? This is predestination language, not eschatological judgment language. The sheep were guaranteed a kingdom from before the foundation of the world. Before they did anything bad or didn't do anything good, they were guaranteed a kingdom from before the foundation of the world. Then he says, he explains to them, like the context that, as you said before, that reveals that they were sheep all along. [00:45:02] Jesse Schwamb: Right.  [00:45:02] Tony Arsenal: It shows them that they were already... Man, I just, just made this connection in my head. This is the parable of the wheat and of the tares- Yep ... coming to fruition- Exactly ... at the end of time. Right. Right? The sheep and the goats were allowed to mingle until the time came when they would be separated, just as the wheat and the tares were allowed to grow up until the time when they would be reaped and separated. This is what's going on. The sheep did things that sheep do. Those on the right did the things that the people on the right would do because they were part of God's blessed kingdom all along.  [00:45:34] Jesse Schwamb: Right.  [00:45:35] Tony Arsenal: And then he goes on to explain what the people on the left did not do, not because now they've been put on the left because they didn't do it, but they were shown to have always been a part of that, part of that population. They were always goats because of these things. This shows that they were goats all along, and they did these things or failed to do these things because they were goats all along.  [00:45:58] Jesse Schwamb: That's right.  [00:45:59] Works Righteousness Trap [00:45:59] Jesse Schwamb: Let me read another verse. "For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children and also our brethren to believe in Christ and to be reconciled to God. For we know that it is by grace that we are saved after all we can do." My guess is everybody was with me- ... sounded kind of okay until that last part. And if you had that, like, as we say, like, that theological muscle memory that just made you flex or bristle there, or you had the Spidey Sense, as you say, Tony, good, because that's from 2 Nephi 25:23 from the Book of Mormon. And here's what I wanna say that's shocking, is if we read this passage of scripture that we're talking about as if there's something there that we need to do that proves that we've done enough and that somehow God will be pleased with that, even at the end of time in some small way, some modicum, then we're actually acting way more like Mormons than we are like Christians. That's just the bottom line. Yeah. Because Mormons, if you ask about this verse, rather than try to qualify that last statement by saying, "Well, that's misunderstood," or, "It's really not after all you can do," because of course it begs the question how do you know that you've done enough? How you don't- you've done all the things and that you're, you're exhausted. Their explanation of this is to double down on it and say, "Well, the context of that verse is following verse 23 actually does emphasize salvation only coming through Christ, but it also encourages continued observance of the law of Moses in order to be reconciled to God." Because that's all they could do until Christ fulfilled the law through his atonement. Even that is nonsense. So all of this to say, we have to be careful with this because I, I think you're right. We're aligning, we're running right up on this, and that is I would submit to you that we just get distracted because we always, of course, want to bring something to the party here. The, the salvation cake. We wanna, I don't know, we wanna make it, we wanna do. But God is doing all the things on our behalf. And so as a result of that, I think this parable is actually, it's about the divine prerogative and the agency of Christ in judgment at the end which belongs to him and him alone, and not about these actions. But we get caught up in the actions and we're missing this thri- divine prerogative. I also think that Christ gives this to us to reverse it on us and to show us that he sets about all things. It is in fact his foreordination and his providence. By grace we have been saved through faith, and that in providence being predestined is an act of his great love. And so this shows the extent of that love because those whom he has chosen himself are asking in disbelief as if to say, "When did I do the good works that you required?" And he said, "Well, you didn't because you could never do them apart from me."  [00:48:38] Tony Arsenal: Yeah.  [00:48:38] Jesse Schwamb: And so really that's the whole point. It's just so easy for us to get it twisted and say, "Well, doesn't it make sense that there are two groups?" Well, certainly there are in this passage. And doesn't it make good sense that because he said they did things or they didn't do things, then I just need to be about doing those things. And I think that is unfortunately the adventure in missing the point in this passage.  [00:48:58] Tony Arsenal: Yeah. Yeah, I, I agree 100%. And it's funny 'cause you were reading that and I was like What translation of J- of First John is it? It sound, I mean, it sounds like, it sounds like something you'd read in First John It sounds okay  [00:49:09] Jesse Schwamb: until  [00:49:10] Tony Arsenal: the end. Yeah. No, I mean, like, it literally sounds like First John until- Yeah ... you get to that last part.  [00:49:14] Jesse Schwamb: Yes.  [00:49:15] Tony Arsenal: And, and I think you're right that, um, we'll, we'll explore this more next week, but what has always struck me about this passage is that the, the p- the, the people on His right, I've gotta stop saying sheep, because that's... I just made the point that that's not really what's going on. The people on His right who are called into the kingdom because it was prepared for them before the foundation, because they were elected unto that kingdom. The people on His right, they're surprised at the fact that they did these things. And it, I, I think the works righteousness way of reading this is like, "You better earn your salvation. You better get at it because if you haven't fed Jesus in disguise, then you just aren't gonna make it. At the end of the day- Mm ... He's gonna say, 'I never knew you.'" And it, whether intentionally or unintentionally, sometimes I think intentionally, it implies that we, uh, that Jesus comes to know us because we've done good works, right? When we say, "If you don't do these things, then Jesus will say, 'I never knew you,'" then what you're saying is Jesus doesn't know you apart from your good works. Right. And what the Bible says, what this passage says, just right on the face of it, is that the Kingdom of Heaven was prepared for those whom Christ has elected before the foundation of the world, or who the Father has elected, who are blessed by the Father before the foundation of the world. Now, obviously the Father had to know those people in some sense-  [00:50:43] Jesse Schwamb: That's  [00:50:43] Tony Arsenal: right ... before the foundation of the world in order for them to be blessed by Him and for Him to prepare a kingdom. So then to come back to the end of it and say, "Well, there are some of those, uh, who the Father never knew because they didn't do enough work," well, the problem is that those who did the good work, the Father knew before they did the good works. They didn't merit the good works. I mean- Right ... it's funny you, you bring up the, the Mormons, and that's certainly true, but, like, you could substitute in, at least on this regard, right? There are meaningful, important differences between the groups I'm about to say and Mormons, that would be the dividing line between those who are possibly saved and those who are y- definitely not saved, right? You could substitute Arminians, who wanna say God looks down the corridor of time, and the reason He prepared a kingdom in advance for them from the foundation of the world is 'cause He saw that they would do these things that would merit salvation, or He saw that they would make the proper decision to receive His grace, right? Or Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodoxes in a different sense, but similarly who would say like, "Well, yeah, God knows in advance that you're gonna merit salvation, so He prepared- Right ... this kingdom anticipating your merit that you would contribute or your participation or, or whatever." I think in a certain sense, um, you could even apply this to some Lutheran theology, right? Which would say, like, "Well, God prepared this kingdom for you from the foundation of the world because he looked down the corridor of time and he understood that you were not going to resist the grace he gave," right? You were not gonna reject his grace. Um, it really truly only is Reformed theology that can say, "No, God prepared this kingdom in advance for you, and it was the preparation of that kingdom that brought you through this such that you did the good works that you did, such that you made the wise decision to follow Christ that you did. That is caused by the fact that God prepared a kingdom for you in advance, not that you somehow caused this kingdom to be prepared for you." A- and aga- again, again, like, this is dicey. It gets into, like, logical ordering, but fundamentally, a- as far as I can understand it, every competing view besides sort of a Calvinistic understanding of predestination election has to say that in some sense God prepares the kingdom for you as a response to something you have done, or chose- Right to do or chose not to do. The reality is that this passage is saying, "No To those who are on the right. He didn't separate them based on the fact that they did these things. He just said, "You are on the right, and now to those who are on the right, I say to you, come into the kingdom that is blessed. You're blessed by my Father. Come into this kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world." So I think, you know, we're c

White Mountain Apache chef Nephi Craig had an unconventional culinary path: from a reservation to a fine dining restaurant to cooking for 7,800 inmates while in county jail. Now he's the executive chef at Café Gozhóó. He spoke with Terry Gross about Native cuisine, getting sober, and bringing nutrition education and addiction treatment to his community on the reservation. His memoir is ‘Our Knives Will Save Us.' Also, John Powers reviews the big tech heist novel ‘Cloudthief' by Nathaniel Rich. Subscribe to our free weekly newsletter Follow us on Instagram Subscribe to our YouTube channel Check out the Fresh Air ArchivesSee pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.NPR Privacy Policy

Mosiah 11:13 briefly mentions a certain hill that holds HUGE implications for lost Nephite history and for all proposed Book of Mormon geography models. In this podcast, we learn how the clues in the text point us to the existence of TWO cities called Nephi--one was built by Nephi around 550 BC, and the other by Nephite refugees around 280 BC. In this episode, we dive far deeper into the history of the land of Nephi than you've likely ever gone before. Join us as we try to peel back the curtain into the lost 116 pages and restore a narrative that will likely change Book of Mormon studies forever.Show notes: https://mormontheories.wordpress.com/2025/10/10/014hill-north-of-shilom/Read my original article about this theory here: https://sitatcit.home.blog/2024/02/15/hill-north-of-shilom/Watch the YouTube version of this episode here: https://youtu.be/z8KRFB1ZpQk

White Mountain Apache chef Nephi Craig had an unconventional culinary path: from a reservation to a fine dining restaurant to cooking for 7,800 inmates while in county jail. Now he's the executive chef at Café Gozhóó. He spoke with Terry Gross about Native cuisine, getting sober, and bringing nutrition education and addiction treatment to his community on the reservation. His memoir is ‘Our Knives Will Save Us.' Also, John Powers reviews the big tech heist novel ‘Cloudthief' by Nathaniel Rich. Subscribe to our free weekly newsletter Follow us on Instagram Subscribe to our YouTube channel Check out the Fresh Air ArchivesSee pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.NPR Privacy Policy

Host Andrew Camp interviews Nephi Craig, executive chef of Café Gozhoo on the White Mountain Apache Tribe, relapse prevention specialist, and founder of the Native American Culinary Association, on the release of his memoir Our Knives Will Save Us. Craig describes writing the book as a tool about the “ingredients of a chef,” linking his 15 years of sobriety, relapse history, and healing to cooking and indigenous foods. He explains how kitchen discipline and mentors shaped him, why indigenous cultivars and foodways connect to public and mental health, and how colonization's violence and intergenerational trauma relate to addiction and health disparities. Craig details Café Gozhoo as a recovery-oriented, clinically designed, non-hierarchical kitchen emphasizing excellence, work-life balance, and Native values, discusses NACA's grassroots impact, and answers food questions, including avoiding snake and bear, loving pho, and naming a last meal featuring Apache racket bread.Nephi Craig is the executive chef of Café Gozhóó in Whiteriver, Arizona, on the White Mountain Apache Tribe, and an advanced certified relapse prevention specialist (ACRPS) and behavioral health technician (BHT) currently serving as the nutritional recovery program coordinator at the Rainbow Treatment Center. Craig is the founder of the Native American Culinary Association (NACA), an organization that is dedicated to the research, refinement, and development of Native American cuisine. His work has been recognized in national and international publications such as Newsweek, Forbes, Food & Wine, and The Guardian.Follow Nephi on Instagram: @nephi_craigBuy Our Knives Will Save UsFollow Andrew CampFacebook: andrew.camp.9Instagram: @andrewcamp80Substack: @thebiggesttableThis episode of the Biggest Table is brought to you in part by Wild Goose Coffee. Since 2008, Wild Goose has sought to build better communities through coffee. For our listeners, Wild Goose is offering a special promotion of 20% off a one time order using the code TABLE at checkout. To learn more and to order coffee, please visit wildgoosecoffee.com. 

In this episode, meet comedian Alison Leiby, writer, photographer, and former social worker Angelica Glass, and chef Nephi Craig. Tune in to hear how Alison Leiby's audiobook differs from her stand-up comedy, Angelica Glass's favorite moments to share with listeners, and how Nephi Craig's audiobook transformed over time. I'm a Lot by Alison Leiby https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/746320/im-a-lot-by-alison-leiby/9798217343089/ Scavenging Beauty by Angelica Glass https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/774522/scavenging-beauty-by-angelica-glass/9798217336791/ Our Knives Will Save Us by Nephi Craig https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/752317/our-knives-will-save-us-by-nephi-craig/9798217336708/

We want to hear from you! Send us some Fan mail! This week on Go & Do, Candis Shupe walks through the final chapters of 2 Kings as Jerusalem falls, the children of Israel are scattered, and the warnings of the prophets are fulfilled. But amid the tragedy, one righteous king reminds us of the incredible power found in God's word.In this episode, you'll learn: 

This is one of the most intense and sobering episodes we've ever done.Using “canonical event synthesis,” we combine multiple scriptures (Parable of the 10 Virgins, Matthew 7, Luke 13, Revelation 13 & 17, Daniel 11, D&C 45, and more) to paint a clearer picture of the last days.The conclusion is heavy:Many (possibly most) Latter-day Saints will be deceived by a false Christ.The “5 foolish virgins” represent covenant members who fall for the deception.Satan's “mistress” is the portion of the Church that turns away.We also discuss current world events, the potential division of America, and — most importantly — how to actually avoid being deceived.This episode will challenge you. Watch with the Spirit.What do you think — is this interpretation possible?#LastDays #10Virgins #Antichrist #WardRadio #BookOfMormonChapter Markers00:00 - Intro: Satan Has a Mistress03:16 - The Parable of the 10 Virgins – Key Details We Usually Miss05:58 - “Lord, Lord” – The Language of the Veil07:57 - Why Were the 5 Foolish Virgins Unprepared?10:34 - The Bridegroom Tarries – The Second Coming Will Be Later Than Expected11:45 - Matthew 7: “Lord, Lord” and Workers of Iniquity14:19 - The Sermon on the Mount as an Encoded Endowment18:54 - Luke 13 – Additional Details About the Same Event23:08 - Luke 12 – What's on the Other Side of the Door?25:39 - Revelation 19 & 22 – The Righteous vs. the Rejected29:08 - Murder, Sexual Sin & the Unpardonable Sin33:37 - 2 Nephi 9:41 – Jesus Christ Himself Stands at the Veil36:22 - Matthew 22 – The Man Without a Wedding Garment40:26 - The Invitees Become the Murderers42:21 - Luke 14 – Complacency & the Curse of Proximity to Temples44:15 - Satan's 5-Phase Plan to Get Latter-day Saints to Worship Him47:48 - Jacob 5 & the Purging of the Church50:34 - Genesis 7 (Noah) – Another Account of the Same Event57:35 - Matthew 24:37 – “As It Was in the Days of Noah”59:23 - The Missing Piece: Why the 5 Foolish Virgins Ran Out of Oil01:00:53 - D&C 45:56-57 – They Were Deceived01:02:07 - The Big Reveal: Satan's Mistress01:03:43 - Matthew 24 – False Christs & False Prophets01:10:17 - The Antichrist in the Book of Mormon & New Testament01:12:44 - 2 Thessalonians 2 (JST) – The Man of Sin01:19:31 - A Falling Away First – Not Just the Great Apostasy01:23:55 - Revelation 13 – The Beast & the False Prophet01:31:54 - 1 Nephi 14 – The Church of the Lamb vs. the Church of the Devil01:34:34 - Revelation 17 – The Beast That Was, Is Not, Yet Is01:39:05 - Daniel 11 – The Eight Kings Prophecy01:46:24 - Current Events: Iran, the U.S. & the “Ram” Prophecy01:52:20 - The Division of America Into Four Parts?01:56:34 - The 7th & 8th Kings – How Close Are We?02:02:32 - The Antichrist Establishes His Own Church02:04:58 - How to Not Be Deceived (The Only Real Protection)02:10:40 - Final Warning & Closing ThoughtsJoin this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnmsAFGrFuGe0obW6tkEY6w/joinAmazon Wish List: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1AQLMTSMBM4DC?ref_=wl_shareVisit us for this and more at: WardRadio.comThe following authors and/or sponsors are generously offering discounts on their gospel-related publication to Ward Radio listeners.⚡For free trial of Scripture Notes please visit the following link!: https://scripturenotes.com/?via=wardradio⚡For a discount on Tiny 3D Temples, Save 15% with code WARDRADIO at checkout or visit tiny3dtemples.com/wardradio#christian #mormon #exmormon #latter-daysaints #latterdaysaints #latterdays #bible #bookofmormon #archaeology #BYU #midnightmormons #jesus #jesuschrist #scriptures #sundayschool #biblestudy #christiancomedy #cardonellis #kwakuel #bradwitbeckFollow us at:Instagram: @cardonellis @kwakuel @braderico @boho.birdyFacebook: @WardRadioWorldwideTwitter: WardRadioShowTikTok: WardRadioWorldwide

Dr. Mike Day continues to examine 2 Kings 16-25–Josiah's reforms and how the Book of Mormon may correct and illuminate what the reforms left behind, and closes with his own testimony of Jesus Christ and how scripture carried him through crisis.YOUTUBE: https://youtu.be/pzsYQXMyDvASHOW NOTES/TRANSCRIPTSEnglish: https://tinyurl.com/podcastOT229ENFrench: https://tinyurl.com/podcastOT229FRGerman: https://tinyurl.com/podcastOT229DEPortuguese: https://tinyurl.com/podcastOT229PTSpanish: https://tinyurl.com/podcastOT229ESFREE PDF DOWNLOADS OF followHIM QUOTE BOOKSNew Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastNTBookOld Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastOTBookBook of Mormon: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastBMBook WEEKLY NEWSLETTERhttps://tinyurl.com/followHIMnewsletter SOCIAL MEDIAInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followHIMpodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastTIMECODE0:00 - Part 2 - Dr. Mike Day2:36 Hezekiah's treasures and Isaiah's dark prophecy4:49 Hezekiah's tunnel 7:01 The water-drawing ceremony9:03 Manasseh and the Isaiah martyrdom legend11:33 Josiah takes the throne12:07 Finding the Book of the Law13:00 Huldah's prophecy14:42 Josiah's seven reforms15:52 One place of worship16:43 Is Deuteronomy a later redaction?19:27 Hosts of heaven and the secret things20:20 Moses and “You only heard a voice.”21:40 Defining the Deuteronomists24:49 1 Nephi 1 counters the reforms27:13 Origins of biblical monotheism29:13 The Book of Mormon correcting the reformers32:32 Lehi's altars and brass plates testify of Jesus Christ34:04 Josiah's fatal move against Egypt36:46 Josiah's death and the editorial 40:33 The fall of Jerusalem and Zedekiah43:00 End of Kings44:16 Mulek and the Book of Mormon connection45:25 Dr Day's testimony49:05 End of Part 2 - Dr. Mike DayThanks to the followHIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Cofounder, Executive Producer, SponsorDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish TranscriptsAmelia Kabwika: Portuguese TranscriptsHeather Barlow: Communications DirectorSydney Smith: Social Media, Graphic Design "Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com

Abstract: The significance of the Beatitudes, particularly their relationship to the remainder of the Sermon on the Mount, has long been debated. The Sermon has been shown to possess close similarities to certain instructions delivered in the temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Participation in temple ordinances is regulated by a series of sixteen questions regarding beliefs and behavior that are known as the Temple Recommend Interview Questions. Fourteen of these questions are asked of an individual desirous of initial entrance into the temple and participation in specific ordinances therein. The topics of these questions appear to correlate closely with the topics the Lord introduced in the Beatitudes as recorded in the New Testament and particularly in 3 Nephi 12. The two questions omitted in the initial interview, but asked of returning applicants, pertain to the keeping of temple covenants previously entered. Keeping covenants is also discussed in the Sermon but not in the form of a beatitude. Evidence shows that, through the Beatitudes, the Lord gave a preview of the qualifications needed by an individual for initial admission to the temple and participation in temple covenants; those same qualifications exist today. A clear association exists between the Beatitudes and the Sermon that follows. The post Entry to the Temple Is through the Principles of the Beatitudes first appeared on The Interpreter Foundation.

In the July 2, 2026, 2026 episode of The Interpreter Insights Podcast, our host Terry Hutchinson discusses the physicality of the small plates in the Book of Mormon with John Gee from his presentation at the recent Small Plates of Nephi conference along with a paper from that conference on the unity of Isaiah. The post Interpreter Insights Podcast — July 2, 2026 first appeared on The Interpreter Foundation.

This episode is part 38 in a series going through the story of the Book of Mormon.This episode covers chapters 14-18 of the book of 3 Nephi. The Mormon Jesus finishes his version of the Sermon on the Mount for the 2,500 Nephites gathered at the temple in the Land Bountiful. Then, he explains that he will gather the "other sheep" into the one fold, which includes these people and the ten lost tribes of Israel. The people don't understand much, but Jesus heals their sick among them. Then, angels come and minister to the young children.The Mormon Jesus says that he will return to the Father soon. Just like he explained the valid method of baptism, he then institutes the sacrament: the Lord's Supper. He admonishes them to watch and pray and how to handle unrepentant people in the churches. Finally, the people are to return to their homes to ponder his teachings and he would return to see them the next day.Further research:Doctrine and Covenants [sections 7, 27, 133]"Three Nephites and a Little Miracle," My Life in Zion, October 15, 2012.Katie Lambert, "Why Early Saints All Drank from One Sacrament Cup & How It All Changed," LDSLiving.com, June 13, 2016.Book of Mormon in videoJoseph Smith: The Prophet of the RestorationThe Book of Mormon online: 3 Nephi [chapter 12, 13]Have questions for Truthspresso? Contact us!

In this powerful Ward Radio episode, we tackle a hard truth: as Latter-day Saints, we are not ready for the last days. Prophetic invitations from President Nelson and President Oaks are clear — we cannot survive spiritually without the constant, guiding influence of the Holy Spirit. But “warm and fuzzy” feelings during hymns or scripture study won't be enough.Guest  @GospelGuardianLDS  shares his personal calling to help members move beyond passive belief into active faith — the kind that receives revelation, acts on promptings, and performs miracles through the priesthood.Practical, line-upon-line steps to recognize and record how the Spirit communicates with youWhy most members struggle with faith and prayer — and what actually works to build it.This is a must-watch for anyone who wants to be spiritually prepared when the last days come.Drop a comment: Do you feel ready for the last days? How does the Spirit speak to you?#LastDays #HolySpirit #BookOfMormon #Faith #LDS #LatterDaySaints #WardRadioChapter Markers:00:00 - Intro: “We Are Not Ready for the Last Days”02:40 - The Guest's Calling & Why He Started Gospel Guardian04:00 - We Won't Survive Without the Constant Influence of the Holy Spirit05:40 - The Church Under Condemnation (D&C 84) — Not Taking the Book of Mormon Seriously07:10 - Faith Is Not Just “Hope” — It Requires Action09:30 - Why We're So Bad at Faith & Prayer (The Practical Problem)11:40 - Nephi & the Brother of Jared: Faith as Action, Not Feeling15:40 - Personal Experiences with Priesthood Blessings & “Be Healed”18:40 - Turning Belief into Knowledge Through Action23:40 - How the Spirit Actually Speaks to You Personally27:30 - Angel Studios Sponsor29:30 - Practical Exercise: Tracking How the Spirit Speaks to You33:50 - Honest Self-Assessment: Are You Ready for the Last Days?36:20 - Shia LaBeouf's Advice on Recognizing the Voice of the Spirit41:40 - Line Upon Line: Building Real Faith Through Action & Obedience47:40 - Closing: Visions, Personal Revelation & Being PreparedJoin this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnmsAFGrFuGe0obW6tkEY6w/joinAmazon Wish List: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1AQLMTSMBM4DC?ref_=wl_shareVisit us for this and more at: WardRadio.comTo subscribe to "The Women of Ward Radio" Youtube Channel, please visit: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbu-wpRztV-8TYXClhUZhhw⚡For free trial of Scripture Notes please visit the following link!: https://scripturenotes.com/?via=wardradio⚡For a discount on Tiny 3D Temples, Save 15% with code WARDRADIO at checkout or visit tiny3dtemples.com/wardradio⚡Family: A Rhyming Proclamation for Kids book visit the following linkhttps://plainandpreciouspublishing.com/products/family-a-rhyming-proclamation-for-kids . Use the code "Ward Radio" for 10% off. ⚡To Order Jonah's Book, “Lost Gems of Genesis” visit the following link and use coupon Code: WARDRADIO https://plainandpreciouspublishing.com/products/coming-soon-the-lost-gems-of-genesis-how-apocryphal-texts-prove-joseph-smith-fixed-the-bibleFor 10% off Plain and Precious Publishing Books, visit plainandpreciouspublishing.com and use Coupon Code: WARDRADIOFor a 5% discount on Go and Do Travel, visit goanddotravel.com and use the promo code WARDRADIO5#christian #mormon #exmormon #latter-daysaints #latterdaysaints #latterdays #bible #bookofmormon #archaeology #BYU #midnightmormons #jesus #jesuschrist #scriptures #sundayschool #biblestudy #christiancomedy #cardonellis #kwakuel #bradwitbeckTo support the channel:Venmo @WardRadio or visit: https://account.venmo.com/u/MidnightMormonsPaypal: paypal.me/@midnightmedia CashApp: $WardRadioFollow us at:Instagram: @cardonellis @kwakuel @braderico @boho.birdyFacebook: @WardRadioWorldwideTwitter: WardRadioShowTikTok: WardRadioWorldwide

Knowing Hymn – Episode 47“Anytime, Anywhere” with Special Guest Angie KillianIn this special episode of Knowing Hymn, Steve and Angi welcome songwriter and hymnwriter Angie Killian to discuss her beloved hymn “Anytime, Anywhere” (Hymn 1012 in Hymns—For Home and Church).Angie shares the story behind the hymn's creation, explaining how it began as a simple song for children and eventually found its way into the Church's new hymnbook. Together, they explore the hymn's central message that prayer and divine guidance are available to all of God's children, no matter where they are or what circumstances they face.Throughout the conversation, Angie reflects on her journey as a songwriter, her desire to help children develop a relationship with Heavenly Father, and the inspiration she finds in the Savior's teachings. Steve and Angi also discuss scriptural teachings on prayer, the influence of the Holy Ghost, and the importance of finding sacred moments amid the noise and distractions of everyday life.Angie Killian's journey into songwritingThe story behind “Anytime, Anywhere”How the hymn grew from a children's song into a congregational favoriteTeaching children to pray and seek spiritual guidanceThe Savior's teachings on personal prayerFinding sacred spaces in a noisy worldThe role of the Holy Ghost in guiding our livesThe power of simple, childlike faithHearing hymns sung around the worldA memorable story involving children, music, and an unexpected audience of cows“Anytime, Anywhere” (Hymn 1012)Words and music by Angie KillianMatthew 6:5–63 Nephi 18:15–21Doctrine and Covenants 88:631 Thessalonians 5:17James 1:5Steve references the 1835 hymnbook compiled under the direction of Emma Smith.1835 Collection of Sacred Hymns:https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/collection-of-sacred-hymns-1835/7PrayerPersonal revelationThe Holy GhostTeaching faith to childrenFinding peace amid life's distractionsWorship in daily lifeTrust in Heavenly FatherThe simplicity of the gospelJesus Christ as our example in prayerAngie Killian is a Christian songwriter, author, and speaker whose music has touched millions of listeners around the world. Her songs focus on faith in Jesus Christ and are sung in homes, churches, and congregations across the globe. “Anytime, Anywhere” was recently added to Hymns—For Home and Church as hymn number 1012.Email: knowinghymn@gmail.comWebsite: knowinghymn.weebly.comWe'd love to hear from you! What experiences have helped you learn that you can pray anytime and anywhere? Share your thoughts with us by email or through our website.Thank you for listening, and join us next time as we sing our way to Knowing Him.

This episode is part 37 in a series going through the story of the Book of Mormon.This episode covers chapters 12-13 of the book of 3 Nephi. Jesus had appeared to the surviving Nephites gathered at a temple in the Land Bountiful. The Mormon Jesus gave his opening lecture the included a formula for baptism.Now, the Mormon Jesus begins to teach a version of the Sermon on the Mount that strongly parallels Matthew chapters 5-7. This episode covers the part that follows chapters 5 and 6. We look at subtle differences but also things retained from the Sermon on the Mount that don't seem to make much sense for ancient America. Some things had such a cultural context that I wonder if these Nephites would even know what the Mormon Jesus was talking about.Further research:Book of Mormon in videoJoseph Smith: The Prophet of the RestorationThe Book of Mormon online: 3 Nephi [chapter 12, 13]Have questions for Truthspresso? Contact us!

Dr. Shon Hopkin continues his exploration of 2 Samuel and 1 Kings guiding through Solomon's breathtaking temple, the universal trap of wanting something for nothing, and the Lord who waits at the window for every one of His children to return.YOUTUBE: https://youtu.be/izXp3HKNI9IFREE PDF DOWNLOADS OF followHIM QUOTE BOOKSNew Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastNTBookOld Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastOTBookBook of Mormon: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastBMBook WEEKLY NEWSLETTERhttps://tinyurl.com/followHIMnewsletter SOCIAL MEDIAInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followHIMpodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastTIMECODE0:00 - Part 2 - Dr. Shon Hopkin1:11 Leadership shortcuts2:46 The Something for Nothing Principle4:38 D&C 121 as the ultimate leadership manual5:34 The temple6:30 7 years on the temple, 13 on the palace7:30 The molten sea and 12 oxen9:16 God is portable11:52 The scale of the temple14:16 The molten sea vs. baptismal fonts15:28 Cherubin in Solomon's temple 16:35 Gold, grandeur, and bringing your best to the Lord17:42 Solomon's dedicatory prayer21:26 Stranger and foreigner and becoming priests and priestesses24:23 7 themes of Solomon's dedicatory prayer25:11 The temple as a place of sending27:26 Nephi's temple and echoes of Solomon's temple30:387 Saints as OT people31:13 Isaiah's Yad Vashem–a hand and a name for the forgotten35:47 Offerings and the filled hand of Aaron38:41 Cups as hands, catching and receiving39:56 Dr. Hopkin's paper: “Christ, Covenants and the Caph”41:46 Recommended reading and the Western Wall today42:16 Glory fills the temple 43:49 Study the OT, it is the water everything else swims in49:45 Celebrities, athletes, and sports teams in place of God51:00 Hesed, hesed, hesed53:03 God never tells you, “I told you so”56:53 End of Part 2 - Dr. Shon HopkinThanks to the followHIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Cofounder, Executive Producer, SponsorDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish TranscriptsAmelia Kabwika: Portuguese TranscriptsHeather Barlow: Communications DirectorSydney Smith: Social Media, Graphic Design "Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com

Darrach Ó Duibh has such an interesting story, and I wanted to speak with him to discuss his incredible life journey and the profound, unexpected insights he gained while translating the Book of Mormon into the Irish language longhand. He's an ancient language researcher, polyglot, and textual critic based in Ireland. Having previously worked as a bibliographic researcher for FARMS (now the Maxwell Institute) under the legendary LDS scholar Hugh Nibley, Darrach started this translation project 20 years ago while bedridden after a honeymoon car crash. Adding another dimension to his life, Darrach is also a well-respected professional mixed martial arts (MMA) referee.We explore his unique personal interactions with Hugh Nibley, his background growing up with a father in military intelligence, and the powerful textual evidence for multiple, distinct prophetic voices that only becomes visible when translating the Book of Mormon text word by word.Some highlights from this episode include:Working with Hugh Nibley: Darrach shares first hand stories from his time sitting across the desk from Hugh Nibley at BYU, including Nibley's shocking command of ancient languages, his quiet patience with students, and a legendary family story involving a moving train in Utah.Growing Up in Military Intelligence: From learning languages at six years old to witnessing his father barter with guards in Russian at Checkpoint Charlie, Darrach explains how his childhood in Germany unlocked his lifelong love for language.The Ancient Egyptian Pattern in the Text: A fascinating deep dive into the very first verses of First Nephi, Enos, Omni, Mormon, and Moroni, revealing a complex, authentic ancient narrative pattern known as the narrative infinitive or "stacking" that Joseph Smith could not have easily fabricated.Hearing Distinct Voices: Darrach details how his translation work forced him to recognize completely different linguistic registers, vocabulary, and tones between Nephi, Jacob, and Mormon, providing stunning textual evidence for the book's authenticity.Faith, Revelation, and Suspension: A discussion on why the Lord purposely keeps archaeological and metaphysical proof in a state of suspension, allowing spiritual knowledge and true faith to flourish rather than letting it become dormant.You can find Darrach's Irish translation of the Book of Mormon at the following link:Amazon: An Leabhar Mhórmoin: Fianaise eile ar Íosa Críost (Irish Edition) https://www.amazon.com/Leabhar-Mh%C3%B3rmoin-Fianaise-Cr%C3%ADost-Irish/dp/B0H2W35RW4/Follow For All The Saints on social media for updates and inspiring content:www.instagram.com/forallthesaintspodhttps://www.facebook.com/forallthesaintspod/For All The Saints episodes are released every Monday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts and more:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVDUQg_qZIU&list=UULFFf7vzrJ2LNWmp1Kl-c6K9Qhttps://open.spotify.com/show/3j64txm9qbGVVZOM48P4HS?si=bb31d048e05141f2https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/for-all-the-saints/id1703815271If you have feedback or any suggestions for topics or guests, connect with Ben & Sean via hello@forallthesaints.org or DM on InstagramConversations to Refresh Your Faith.For All The Saints podcast was established in 2023 by Ben Hancock to express his passion and desire for more dialogue around faith, religious belief, and believers' perspectives on the topics of our day. Tune into For All The Saints every Monday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and more.Follow For All The Saints on social media for daily inspiration.

In this episode of Conversations with Interpreter, Avram and Thora interview one another, discussing their education and research interests. They also talk about their most recent project together, a paper presented at “For a Wise Purpose in Him” The 2026 Small Plates of Nephi Conference In Honor of President Jeffrey R. Holland. This paper looks at evidence that there was a gradual loss of knowledge of the full name and mission of Jesus Christ between Jacob and King Benjamin, because Benjamin receives this information from an angel. The post Conversations with Interpreter: Avram and Thora Shannon — The Loss of Jesus in the Small Plates of Nephi first appeared on The Interpreter Foundation.

The guys recorded this episode about 12 hours before the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee was set to consider an amendment to a potentially bipartisan bill from Sen. Mike Lee that would invalidate the 2001 Roadless Rule. Dave and Nephi discuss the implications (spoiler: the sky isn't falling, but it's not a great look). They also chat about a proposal to repeal the blanket 4(d) Rule (a wonky discussion that nearly put Nephi to sleep). They also share some stories from the trenches from their days working for former Wyoming Governor, Matt Mead. Reminder: new email address. If you want to reach the team, use yourmountainpodcast@gmail.com.

This week, I'm digging deep into my personal study of 3rd Nephi—the Book of Mormon chapters that capture Christ's visit to the Americas after His resurrection. Have you ever wondered what it would have been like to stand in that crowd, to hear the voice from heaven, and to come one by one to the Savior? I find myself amazed by both the timing and the tenderness of these moments.Together, let's walk through these chapters and imagine what it must have felt like to not only witness miracles, but to experience them individually—one by one. From feeling the prints of the nails, to being healed, to seeing the children blessed, these verses remind me that Christ's love and ministry are always personal and tailored for each soul. If you need a reminder this week about how individual and intentional the gospel really is, this conversation is for you. As you listen, I hope you'll ask yourself: what would your testimony be, if you had been there?Please share this episode with someone who needs to hear it. You can email me at ken@chocolatecakebytes.com and follow me at https://www.facebook.com/ChocolateCakeByteshttps://www.instagram.com/chocolatecakebytes/Check out my new podcast: The Unstuck Career podcast athttps://kenwilliamscoaching.com/listen

Text Me Here!!!I was just telling Britton, "if someone were to ask me what has been my most favorite talk from Conference, it would be like being asked, 'who is your favorite child?' I honestly couldn't pick, because I love them all!"And that's exactly how I feel about going through this week's talk, it's like each talk is exactly something I needed to hear for that week! I hope you are feeling the same as you go through these talks.I'm so excited for you to learn about Elder Ortega's history, because it is pretty great and also ties in so perfectly with his talk.If you haven't already, make sure to mark 2 Nephi 31:20 in your scriptures this week, and instead of just reading it and calling it good, really ponder on why it actually is an incredible scripture to help us while we are here progressing on our path to the Savior. E-mail: munchandminglepodcast@gmail.comInsta: @munchandminglepodcast

Thrasher: Everything We Know So Far Episode Description Welcome back to the Lonely Town Podcast, where Derek and Jimmy dive deep into the music, stories, and world of Brandon Flowers and The Killers. This week, the guys react to the biggest Brandon Flowers news in years. After months of speculation, surprise appearances and industry events have finally given fans their first real glimpse at Brandon's upcoming solo album, Thrasher. Derek and Jimmy break down everything currently known about the project, including Brandon's live performance of "Miss America," reports that the album leans heavily into country influences, and what appears to be a thematic continuation of ideas first explored on Pressure Machine. The conversation explores the mysterious influencer events where lyric booklets were distributed, the emergence of Payson and Nephi references in the new material, and why the title Thrasher has fans guessing everything from farming equipment to heavy metal influences. The guys also discuss rumors surrounding Brandon's long-rumored second solo album, what a future tour might look like, whether Brandon could find a home on country radio, and why concert economics are becoming a growing challenge for both artists and fans. Along the way, the discussion branches into country music, radio programming, ticket pricing, Blue Dot Fever, tour routing, and why some of the biggest artists in the world are struggling to fill arenas. If you're excited about Brandon's next chapter, this is the episode for you. Show Notes In This Episode Brandon Flowers' New Album: Thrasher Brandon's surprise appearances at industry and influencer events The official reveal of the album title: Thrasher First impressions of the song "Miss America" Early reports describing the album as "hardcore country" Discussion of how the album may connect to Pressure Machine Payson and Nephi references appearing in the lyrics Why the title Thrasher has sparked so much speculation What fans learned from leaked lyric sheets and event reports The Mystery of Album Number Two Longstanding rumors of two separate Brandon Flowers solo albums Why Derek and Jimmy believe another project may still be coming Thematically different material reportedly exists What the second album could mean for future tours and releases Country Music & Brandon Flowers Brandon's appearance at country music industry events Discussion of Robert Earl Keen and country songwriting influences Whether Brandon's new music could receive country radio airplay The evolving definition of country music Tour & Concert Speculation What venues make sense for a Brandon Flowers solo tour Small theaters versus larger arenas Why an intimate Pressure Machine-style show may be the perfect fit How touring schedules are built Why artists don't always choose where they perform Blue Dot Fever The reality of modern ticket sales Dynamic pricing and Ticketmaster frustrations Why artists are canceling shows despite major reputations The economics of modern concert touring How fans are changing their concert-buying habits Music Industry Discussion The decline of album sales Streaming revenue versus touring revenue Radio's changing role in music discovery Why legacy artists often struggle for airplay despite releasing quality music Country Music Rabbit Holes The impact of The Chicks controversy on country radio Why "Not Ready to Make Nice" remains an important song The late-career success of Johnny Cash Why older artists often disappear from mainstream radio playlists Discussion of Willie Nelson and country music legends Featured Artists & References Brandon Flowers The Killers Pressure Machine Robert Earl Keen Johnny Cash Willie Nelson The Chicks Bruce Springsteen Tom Morello  

This episode is part 36 in a series going through the story of the Book of Mormon.This episode covers chapters 11 of the book of 3 Nephi. The surviving righteous people gather outside a temple in the land Bountiful and recollect their recent experiences. Suddenly, a voice from heaven says something twice but they don't understand it. The third time a voice says something that sounds like God the Father at Jesus' baptism. Then, Jesus in a white garment descends from the sky and lands among the people.Jesus tells the people who he is and invites them to feel the wounds in his resurrected body. Then, he teaches them the correct form of baptism so that there would be no disputations among his followers. Let's see what the Jesus of the Book of Mormon says that sounds similar to verses in the New Testament and what sounds like intentional edits.Sources cited:"Appendix 3: 'Articles of the Church of Christ,' June 1829," The Joseph Smith Papers.Further research:Book of Mormon in videoJoseph Smith: The Prophet of the RestorationThe Book of Mormon online: 3 Nephi [chapter 11]Have questions for Truthspresso? Contact us!

Text: The Old Testament Supplemental Text: Finish up the Third Thousand Years chapters 21-26 from last semester. The Fourth Thousand Years text begins next week. BYU Lecture 24: This is the "thundering thousand years" from David down to Christ. This is the thousand years of Bible history in which you have all prophets, not the Patriarchs. Programmed learning includes memorizing the “hook dates” in biblical history so the doctrine of the gospel can be connected to its history and context. For example, 1776 is a hook date that can be related to all the American independence and revolutionary war activities. By memorizing hook dates, the entire Old Testament will come alive and piece together the events, patriarchs, prophets, and kings. Old Testament Hook Dates, simple and worth memorization: 4,000 BC Fall of Adam and Eve 3,500 BC Enoch 3,000 BC Noah 2,344 BC The Great Flood (just remember 1-2-3-4---4) 2,000 BC Abraham 1,900 BC Isaac 1,800 BS Jacob 1,700 BC Joseph 1,500 BC Moses 1,400 BC Joshua 1,100 BC Samuel and Saul 1,000 BC David and Solomon    922 BC Division of Israel    900 BC Elijah    800 BC Elisha    700 BC Isaiah    600 BC Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekial, Lehi and Nephi    589 BC Nebuchadnezzar destroys Jerusalem    538 BC Jews return to Jerusalem    516 BC Dedication of the new temple in Jerusalem

As I study the Old Testament something comes to me over and over again. When Jesus said, “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me,” he was sending the people to the Old Testament to find Him. When Lehi opened the Plates of Brass for the first time and searched them from the beginning (see 1 Nephi 5:10) and then he “was filled with the Spirit, and began to prophesy concerning his seed (see 1 Nephi 5:17) he was immersed in the Old Testament. When Nephi says, “For my soul delighteth in the scriptures and my heart pondereth them…” he was talking about the Old Testament. When Ammon, Aaron, Omner and Himni converted seven cities of the Lamanites and brought untold thousands to the Savior, they were using only the Old Testament in their teaching! What a treasure we have in the Old Testament!

In this heartfelt episode of My 99 Cousins, Devin Andersen sits down with his cousin Nephi alongside Devin's wife, Sarah, for a meaningful conversation filled with humor, family stories, faith, and wisdom. Nephi shares the chaotic adventure of traveling to Utah with his wife Melanie and their five children during spring break, including unexpected car trouble that nearly derailed the trip. What begins as lighthearted family banter quickly unfolds into a deeper discussion about resilience, parenting, and personal growth.Nephi, a pediatrician from Idaho Falls and one of fifteen siblings, reflects on his upbringing in a large and faith-centered family. The conversation explores how his experiences shaped his approach to medicine, fatherhood, and mentoring young people. With warmth and humility, Nephi discusses the pressures kids face today and the importance of allowing children to experience challenges, setbacks, and even public failure so they can develop confidence, perseverance, and emotional resilience.Throughout the episode, the family dives into the concept of a “growth mindset,” emphasizing the power of the word “yet.” Nephi explains how believing improvement is always possible can transform the way we approach life's obstacles. Drawing from personal experiences, faith, and lessons learned through parenting and leadership, the discussion highlights how adversity often becomes the foundation for growth and strength. The episode blends practical insights with uplifting spiritual perspectives that resonate far beyond the family circle.Filled with laughter, sincerity, and genuine admiration for family relationships, this episode is ultimately a celebration of connection and becoming better together. From stories about childhood and family reunions to reflections on faith and human potential, Nephi leaves listeners with an inspiring reminder: every weakness, challenge, and dream is simply a “yet” in progress.

This episode is part 35 in a series going through the story of the Book of Mormon.This episode covers chapters 1-10 of the book of 3 Nephi. The Nephites and Lamanites see the sign of Christ's birth in the sky. The Gadianton robbers threaten to take over the land and destroy all the people. The Nephites and Lamanites conglomerate into an area of Zarahemla for protection with plenty of supplies. The Gadianton robbers struggle with the now desolate lands but try to scare the people. The people fight back and drive the Gadiantons back and eventually get total victory. The Gadiantons who refuse to repent are executed. The ones that convert are released and find settlement.After some peace, a sect of people wanting a monarchy kill the new chief judge. The fallout causes the people to split the land into tribes. The monarchy supporters anoint a king and try to get dissenters from the tribes. Eventually, the sign of Christ's death ravages the land in darkness and natural disasters that kill many people and wreck cities. Toward the end of the three days of darkness a voice from heaven says he is Jesus Christ and explains the destruction but offers hope. The voice says some things we would recognize from the gospel accounts, but also borrows from New Testament epistles that would not have been written yet.Further research:Book of Mormon in videoJoseph Smith: The Prophet of the RestorationThe Book of Mormon online: 3 Nephi [chapters 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]Have questions for Truthspresso? Contact us!

This episode is part 34 in a series going through the story of the Book of Mormon.This episode covers chapters 7-16 of the book of Helaman. The Nephites continue to get more wicked as the Lamanites remain largely righteous. Nephi, son of Helaman, Jr. laments and attracts a crowd. He preaches and the judges reject him. He prophesies several things that causes both converts and opponents.Samuel the Lamanite also prophesies the signs of Christ's birth and death that the Nephites and Lamanites would see. As he escapes harm, some people convert and others harden. As the birth of Christ nears, angels bring messages, people preach, and others doubt.Further research:Book of Mormon in videoJoseph Smith: The Prophet of the RestorationThe Book of Mormon online: Helaman [chapters 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16]Have questions for Truthspresso? Contact us!

Welcome back to the Lonely Town Podcast — the show where Derek and Jimmy dive deep into the music, lyrics, stories, and world surrounding Brandon Flowers and The Killers. In this episode, the guys take a deep dive into “Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas” from Brandon Flowers' solo album Flamingo. What starts as a discussion about one underrated opening track quickly becomes a broader conversation about Las Vegas culture, religion, addiction, dreams, entertainment, and the strange magic of Sin City. Derek and Jimmy explore: The meaning behind the song's religious imagery and references How Brandon compares Las Vegas to a spiritual experience The “house always wins” theme woven throughout the lyrics The contrast between tourists chasing dreams and locals simply trying to survive Brandon's unique ability to blend small-town Utah perspectives with neon Vegas storytelling Why this track perfectly sets the tone for Flamingo Crickets, concubines, casinos, neon temples, and restless legs Upcoming Brandon Flowers festival speculation and possible new music Why Vietnam unexpectedly became one of the podcast's biggest listener bases The reality of Vegas beyond the Strip, including service industry culture and everyday life Other Killers podcasts, fandom, and the future of Lonely Town Along the way, the episode branches into stories about thrift stores in Las Vegas, bowl games, Uber drivers, old Vegas street experiences, service culture on the Strip, and why Brandon's writing continues to resonate so deeply with fans from places like Nephi, Utah. Whether you're a longtime Killers fan or just discovering Brandon's solo work, this episode shines a spotlight on one of the most overlooked songs in his catalog. Show Notes Featured Song “Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas” — Brandon Flowers Album: Flamingo Topics Covered Brandon Flowers festival announcement speculation Potential upcoming solo albums and future touring Why Flamingo deserves more attention Religious imagery throughout “Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas” “The house always wins” theme and Vegas symbolism Las Vegas as both temptation and redemption Real-life Vegas stories and experiences Vegas thrift stores and failed entertainment dreams Service industry culture in Las Vegas Crickets, neon lights, and the sonic opening of the song Connections between Las Vegas and Nephi storytelling Comparison between Brandon's solo work and Pressure Machine The future of the podcast and possible return to weekly episodes Discussion of the Killer Sluts Podcast Surprise growth of listeners in Vietnam Mentioned Artists & References Tom Morello The Nightwatchman Morrissey Foo Fighters Nirvana Toad the Wet Sprocket No Doubt Follow & Support the Show

→ Watch on YouTube → Detailed Show Notes → Timestamps: (00:00) There is evidence that the Five Books of Moses and specifically the Book of Deuteronomy were edited both before and during the Babylonian captivity, around 600 B.C.(03:14) Many scholars see Deuteronomy as the “Book of the Law” that was discovered during Josiah's reign from 640-609 B.C.(06:15) Examples of additions and redactions which demonstrate the history of the text.(12:54) The Book of Mormon and the New Testament bring balance to the religious reforms during Josiah's reign.(15:35) The Deuteronomistic History is a term used in modern biblical studies to describe the books of Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, 1-2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings. The Deuteronomistic History portrays a cohesive view of Israel.(18:46) Lehi and Nephi were at odds with the Jews at the time they left Jerusalem in 600 B.C. Examples from the Book of Mormon show how prophets disagreed with some of Deuteronomy's ideas.(23:26) Deuteronomy centralizes worship and prohibits any altars outside of the temple. Visionaries were denigrated, yet Nephi knew the mysteries.(25:42) Deuteronomy focuses on the Abrahamic Covenant and stresses that Israel is to remember the Lord.(32:39) Deuteronomy has covenant renewal ceremonies and is constructed in the pattern of an ancient Near Eastern vassal treaty. This pattern is also used in King Benjamin's speech in Mosiah 1-6.(38:22) The scattering and gathering is prophesied in both Deuteronomy and the Book of Mormon. God wants to bring Israel back home.(46:12) Deuteronomy 31.6 shows a direct connection to the Book of Joshua. Blessings for keeping the commandments can be seen as a generational promise, not necessarily a 1:1 relationship. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not a “cosmic vending machine.”(48:53) Both Deuteronomy and the Book of Mormon are writing with the future in mind, knowing that their discovery will bring religious reform.(51:14) Both books warn of the pride and destruction that can come with prosperity.(55:28) Moses “dies,” and the text of Deuteronomy says his sepulcher is not known. The Book of Mormon teaches that Moses was translated. Josephus' history says he disappeared in a cloud. The New Testament shows Moses appears at the Mount of Transfiguration.(1:02:01) As a resurrected being, in April 1836, Moses came to Joseph Smith to give him the keys of the gathering of Israel. In this way, we are all connected to Moses and his mission. As modern day Israel, we carry the torch of Gospel light and are commanded to spread the Gospel. → For more of Bryce Dunford’s podcast classes, click here. → Enroll in Institute → YouTube → Apple Podcasts → Spotify → Amazon Music → Facebook The post Ep 371 | Deuteronomy, Come Follow Me 2026 (May 11-17) appeared first on LDS Scripture Teachings.

Dave and Nephi sit down with the new President and CEO of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, Ryan "Cal" Callaghan. In this wide ranging discussion taking place in Nephi's hotel room, the guys talk about the role of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers (BHA) and its broad mission conserving and defending public lands. They also dive into topics such as accountability and advocacy, technology and fair chase, ballot initiatives and public opinion, conservation and stewardship, and membership organizations and community. Ryan also shares his Mountain. You won't want to miss this one.

→ Watch on YouTube → Detailed Show Notes → Timestamps: (00:00) A brief overview of these chapters.(02:35) The Israelites murmur and complain in the wilderness. How we respond to our afflictions will shape our character. We can strive to see God's hand in our lives like Nephi and Francis Webster.(15:34) The book of Numbers contains evidence that it is a compilation of separate traditions. Understanding these traditions helps to explain some contradictions in the text.(21:48) Israel murmurs and lusts for meat instead of manna. The Lord abundantly blesses them with quail.(25:11) Moses complains that he can't bear the burden alone and is commanded to choose 70 to assist him. The very essence of Christianity is to have compassion for those who are downtrodden.(29:24) The Greek translation of manna leads to fascinating possibilities. The Israelites loathe the manna and want something exciting and new.(35:41) Aaron and Miriam challenge Moses' authority. Numbers 12 portrays Moses as God's authorized representative, emphasizing hierarchical priesthood authority.(39:08) Moses sends 12 spies to search the land of Canaan. Ten of them bring back a negative report, telling of giants inhabiting the land. Joshua and Caleb give a positive report and say that Israel can take the land of Canaan.(43:20) Moses stands as intercessor, working to convince the Lord to not smite the Israelites. The adult Israelites murmur and want to die in the wilderness. The Lord grants this request, while also emphasizing that he desires to have a righteous people who will build Zion.(47:34) Miriam and Aaron die in the wilderness. Moses will see, but not enter the promised land.(49:42) The king of Edom refuses to let Israel pass peacefully through his land. We can choose to not be offended.(52:04) The Israelites are plagued and bitten by fiery serpents. Moses lifts up a serpent of brass to save those who will look upon it. This story is told in greater detail in the Book of Mormon. We should not be slothful because of the easiness of the way.(1:00:00) Og, the king of Bashan, is described as the last of the giants. His bed is described with the same dimensions as that of Marduk, a Mesopotamian deity.(1:02:16) Balak offers Balaam money, cattle, and great honors to curse Israel. Balaam refuses, and instead pronounces great blessings upon Israel.(1:13:54) Another perspective on why the Lord was angry with Balaam. → For more of Bryce Dunford’s podcast classes, click here. → Enroll in Institute → YouTube → Apple Podcasts → Spotify → Amazon Music → Facebook The post Ep 370 | Numbers, Come Follow Me 2026 (May 4-10) appeared first on LDS Scripture Teachings.

Dr. David Thomson returns to unpack the twelve spies, the science-faith relationship, and what Balaam's donkey teaches us about the people who see what we can't.YOUTUBE: https://youtu.be/3Y8zqekYn5IFREE PDF DOWNLOADS OF followHIM QUOTE BOOKSNew Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastNTBookOld Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastOTBookBook of Mormon: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastBMBook WEEKLY NEWSLETTERhttps://tinyurl.com/followHIMnewsletter SOCIAL MEDIAInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followHIMpodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastTIMECODE:00:00 - Part 2 - Dr. Dave Thomson01:34 Giants and grasshoppers: “We're toast!”02:34 Caleb and Joshua vs the ten–focus on God05:10 Believing Jesus Christ07:18 Trust what Jesus Christ said He can do11:51 “We're not earning heaven, we're learning heaven.”13:42 Elder Renlund reminds to choose to keep the commandments16:46  2 Nephi 25:23 reimagined20:45 Science and faith–a perceived conflict23:44 President Nelson: All truth is compatible29:59 Alma 32 and the Scientific Method33:43 Balaam and his donkey29:43 Who are the donkeys in your life?41:30 Dr. Thomson's donkeys49:39 President Hinckley taught that faith is like a muscle51:48 Muscle growth and faith59:17 Closing testimonies1:47:18 End of Part 2 - Dr. Dave ThomsonThanks to the followHIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Cofounder, Executive Producer, SponsorDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish TranscriptsAmelia Kabwika: Portuguese TranscriptsHeather Barlow: Communications DirectorSydney Smith: Social Media, Graphic Design "Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com

This episode is part 33 in a series going through the story of the Book of Mormon.This episode covers chapters 1-6 of the book of Helaman. After Pahoran passes away, three of his sons campaign for judge. Kishkumen, a secret assassin causes turmoil in the government. The Lamanites take over most of the land. The Nephites manage to recover half of it. Helaman the Younger becomes judge and his servant thwarts an attempt to assassinate him.Missions work from his two sons Nephi and Lehi converts many Nephites, but especially Lamanites. The Lamanites give the Nephites all their land back. Nephi and Lehi are imprisoned and a miracle there causes a revival over the whole land. The revival lasts a few years until Gadianton's plutocracy causes the Nephites to become wicked while the Lamanites remained righteous.Further research:Book of Mormon in videoJoseph Smith: The Prophet of the RestorationThe Book of Mormon online: Helaman [chapters 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]Have questions for Truthspresso? Contact us!

Dave and Nephi cover a series of current events in this episode. Topics include: (1) the recent decision to convene the "God Squad"; (2) what the "God Squad" is under the Endangered Species Act, and its history; (3) the Greyhound Protection Act, and what it meant for bird hunters; (4) the recent decision to overturn a mineral withdrawal near the Boundary Waters; (5) a soapbox/diatribe/frustration about our win-at-all-costs political environment; and more.

Abstract: Based on Lehi's teachings in 2 Nephi 2, many Latter-day Saints conclude that it was necessary for Adam and Eve to partake of the forbidden fruit to acquire the ability to have children. While this appears to be a straightforward reading of the text, it sets up the dilemma of conflicting commandments—obedience to one of the two commandments they were given in the Garden of Eden would require that they disobey the other. In this article, the author argues that the larger rhetorical context presents a different framework in which these teachings may be read—one that does not raise this dilemma. Lehi presents his teachings on the consequences of the Fall in two parallel chiasms. The rhetorical links within and between these chiasms (and with the other sections of Lehi's teachings) suggest that God's purposes for mankind may not have been frustrated if Adam and Eve had obeyed him. While their Fall was likely inevitable, it may not have been a required element in God's eternal plan for his children. Rather, it might have been something he expected and for which he prepared. The post A New Reading of Lehi: A Rhetorical Context for Understanding His Teachings about the Fall of Adam and Eve first appeared on The Interpreter Foundation.

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What if the Beatitudes aren't just a list of virtues—but a roadmap for spiritual transformation?In this episode of Hidden Wisdom, Megan Farner and Cory Jensen explore the Beatitudes as a powerful pattern of ascension—moving from spiritual awakening, through transformation, and ultimately into union with God. This conversation reveals how Christ's teachings outline a step-by-step inner journey: emptying the false, receiving truth, becoming whole, and embodying divine love.You'll learn how concepts like being “poor in spirit,” “meek,” and “pure in heart” are not just moral ideals—but stages in a deeply transformative process. Plus, a profound discussion on what it really means to become a peacemaker—and why that can only happen after inner healing and alignment.If you've ever felt like there's more depth to Jesus' teachings than you've been taught, this episode will open your eyes.00:00 Introduction & Retreat Announcement 02:50 Reframing the Beatitudes: More Than Virtues 05:30 The Pattern of Ascension in Scripture 09:20 Internal Transformation vs Religious Busyness 11:30 Poor in Spirit: Awakening to Need 14:30 Mourning & Reconnection with God 18:45 Meekness: Surrendering Control 20:50 The Three Stages of Transformation Explained 21:00 Hungering for Righteousness 23:30 Receiving & Extending Mercy 26:50 Pure in Heart: Inner Unity & Integrity 28:40 Becoming a Peacemaker (What It REALLY Means) 31:30 Can You Skip Steps to Be a Peacemaker? 33:00 Heart at War vs Heart at Peace 34:20 Seeing Others Through God's Eyes 37:20 Persecution & Spiritual Mission 41:20 Temple Symbolism & Ascension Pattern 46:00 Beatitudes vs Jacob's “Woes” (Contrast Pattern) 56:40 The Two Paths: Ascension vs Descent 58:30 Ask, Seek, Knock: The Invitation to All 01:00:00 The Journey Never EndsResources & ReferencesThe Wisdom Jesus by Cynthia Bourgeault The Anatomy of Peace by The Arbinger Institute  The Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5–7)  2 Nephi 9 (Jacob's discourse comparison) If you're ready to move from understanding into lived experience, join me for Parting the Veil Women's Retreat this June near Paragonah. Hidden Wisdom initiates truth-seekers into the Mysteries, guiding listeners toward a lived experience of the Divine that awakens and transforms faith—without dismantling family or community. Pursue your Journey: ✨ Hidden Wisdom App – Join for FREE and enjoy pathway programs, community, expansive library, and more!

Moses Parts The Red SeaApril 13–19: “Stand Still, and See the Salvation of the Lord”Exodus 14–18The Israelites were trapped. The Red Sea was on one side, and the army of Pharaoh was advancing on the other. Their escape from Egypt, it seemed, would be short lived. But God had a message for the Israelites that He wanted them to remember for generations: “Fear ye not. … The Lord shall fight for you” (Exodus 14:13–14).Since that time, when God's people have needed faith and courage, they have told this story. When Nephi wanted to inspire his brothers, he said, “Let us be strong like unto Moses; for he truly spake unto the waters of the Red Sea and they divided hither and thither, and our fathers came through, out of captivity, on dry ground” (1 Nephi 4:2). When King Limhi wanted his captive people to “lift up [their] heads, and rejoice,” he reminded them of this same story (Mosiah 7:19). So did Alma, when he wanted to testify to his son of God's power (see Alma 36:28). And when we feel trapped—when we need a little more faith to “see the salvation of the Lord”—we can remember how “the Lord saved Israel that day” (Exodus 14:13, 30).A Come Follow Me Podcast For Kids A Primary Podcast Welcome to Come Follow Me Kids! We are a scripture study podcast that accompanies the Come Follow Me Manual by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. We play games, sing songs, and tell stories to go along with the scriptures. This year we are specifically studying the Old Testament. We sometimes use audio clips from the Friend Magazine and other church sources, however we are not officially sponsored by the church in any way. If your children would like a free baptism shout out or to be guests on this podcast, email us at comefollowmekidspodcast@gmail.com. If you like this podcast, please leave us a review. Thank you!

We grew up in the same town as Brandon Flowers… but nobody saw this coming. In this episode, we sit down with Mike Painter—a lifelong Nephi resident with deep roots in the community—to talk about growing up in the same town as The Killers and how a small-town mindset can lead to big things. We get into: What Brandon was actually like back in high school The real culture and work ethic of Nephi Local stories, athletes, and community pride Reactions to Pressure Machine from people who actually live there Mike Painter Plus: A full 90s music breakdown (Nirvana, Foo Fighters, Metallica & more) Songs that defined a generation The music that shaped us From small-town memories to global success—this one's part nostalgia, part storytelling, and all real.

→ Watch on YouTube → Detailed Show Notes → Timestamps: (00:00) A brief overview of these chapters.(02:16) The children of Israel murmur and complain in the wilderness. As a comparison, Nephi's trust in God blesses his wilderness experience.(08:42) The Book of Mormon gives added insight as to why murmuring is such a problem. The key to happiness is to remember the greatness of God in both pain and prosperity.(19:07) A possible location of Sinai is discussed as evidence of historicity in the book of Exodus. Revelation came to Moses “when he was on the move.”(23:26) The night crossing of the Red Sea can represent Jesus conquering chaos in our lives. Psalm 74 also addresses these themes.(29:00) The children of Israel sing the Song of the Sea and rejoice in their deliverance.(36:40) The beginning and end of the Exodus story has women standing as witnesses to the miraculous. Miriam is there at Moses' birth and at the Song of the Sea.(42:46) Some approaches to Biblical scholarship may be helpful in understanding why the Bible has some traditions that cast Miriam in a bad light.(46:58) Miriam dies at Kadesh and the water dries up. Miriam as a symbol of the women in the New Testament named Mary who witnessed Jesus' birth, death, and resurrection.(51:07) The bitter water is sweetened with a tree. The Savior heals us too.(54:59) The Lord rains manna from heaven and sends quail for meat to feed the children of Israel for 40 years. God will take care of us in the deserts of our lives.(1:02:07) Moses smites a rock and water gushes forth. Jewish theologians over the years had a tradition that the rock at the beginning and at the end of Exodus was the same rock. Paul worked this tradition into his discussion of Christ, and so to him, the rock was Jesus.(1:07:27) Amalek battles with the Israelites and Moses' hands are held up so that Israel may be victorious. We sustain the prophet and our local leaders, and by so doing, we hold up their hands that hang down.(1:10:22) An invitation to remember what God has done for us.(1:13:23) Jethro counsels Moses to delegate certain tasks. Delegation gives opportunities for growth. → For more of Bryce Dunford’s podcast classes, click here. → Enroll in Institute → YouTube → Apple Podcasts → Spotify → Amazon Music → Facebook The post Ep 367 | Exodus 14-18, Come Follow Me 2026 (April 13-19) appeared first on LDS Scripture Teachings.

→ Watch on YouTube → Detailed Show Notes → Timestamps: (00:00) Multiplying signs and the law of increasing witnesses. God increases in severity as an act of kindness towards those he strives to redeem.(05:02) The Lord wants to save Israel. A summary of the escalation of the plagues as a sign of God's mercy towards Egypt.(17:11) Nephi's journey to the Promised Land has many parallels with the Exodus story.(19:38) Pharaoh's heart is hardened and he is angry that the Israelites are spared from the plagues. The world often attempts to dismiss God's miracles.(21:06) The ten plagues can be seen as a contest between the Egyptian gods and the power of Jehovah. Later, Christians will interpret the signs given by the magicians of Pharaoh as the power of the adversary.(30:26) Moses did not present the whole truth to Pharaoh, rather he only gave him what was needful. Truth is to be given gradually.(43:39) The significant and relevance of the Passover. The blood of the Lamb saved Israel anciently and continues to do so today. Jesus is the Passover Lamb, slain for the sins of the world.(52:34) The Passover ordinance was changed from a local family experience to a national pilgrimage in the writings of Deuteronomy.(53:59) The mark of the blood of the lamb saves the righteous.(56:11) Accurately numbering the Israelites is difficult because of the nuanced meaning of the word eleph. Israel likely was composed of a mixed multitude when they departed Egypt.(1:00:10) These chapters emphasize the importance of remembering. As we remember who saved Israel from destruction, our hearts are pointed to the Savior who saves us as well. → For more of Bryce Dunford’s podcast classes, click here. → Enroll in Institute → YouTube → Apple Podcasts → Spotify → Amazon Music → Facebook The post Ep 366 | Exodus 7-13, Come Follow Me 2026 (April 6-12) appeared first on LDS Scripture Teachings.

Brother David Hadlock returns to unpack the Passover as a new creation event, the sacrament as its modern continuation, and his own personal story of deliverance from darkness and fear.YOUTUBE: https://youtu.be/SGiMKMekl8MSHOW NOTES/TRANSCRIPTSEnglish: https://tinyurl.com/podcastOT215ENFrench: https://tinyurl.com/podcastOT215FRGerman: https://tinyurl.com/podcastOT215DEPortuguese: https://tinyurl.com/podcastOT215PTSpanish: https://tinyurl.com/podcastOT215ESALL EPISODES/SHOW NOTESfollowHIM website: https://www.followHIM.coFREE PDF DOWNLOADS OF followHIM QUOTE BOOKSNew Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastNTBookOld Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastOTBookBook of Mormon: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastBMBook WEEKLY NEWSLETTERhttps://tinyurl.com/followHIMnewsletter SOCIAL MEDIAInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followHIMpodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastTIMECODE:00:00 Part 2 - Brother Dave Hadlock01:06 Reading 1 Nephi for deliverance02:41 Jesus and Joshua as Deliverer05:58 Moses and Joshua as types of Christ07:49 The valley of the shadow of death09:29 The number 40 in scripture12:59 The Passover as new creation15:29 Blood, water, and fire–elements of creation18:17 Eagles' wings and the covenant22:22 Jehovah as Deliverer in the OT and NT23:52 First Passover to Last Supper25:56 What sacrament means27:55 Two cups–sweet and bitter30:15 Sacrament pointing forward to the feast32:40 Brother Dave's personal story of darkness and deliverance36:29 Finding God's goodness38:18 Tender mercy journal39:01 Testimonies of Jesus Christ43:30 End of Part 2 - Brother Dave HadlockThanks to the followHIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Cofounder, Executive Producer, SponsorDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish TranscriptsAmelia Kabwika: Portuguese TranscriptsHeather Barlow: Communications DirectorSydney Smith: Social Media, Graphic Design "Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com

Is the divine feminine a deception, or have we been taught to fear something sacred? In this episode, we explore Heavenly Mother, feminine wisdom in scripture, the “Queen of Heaven” debate, and why discernment matters more than fear.Meghan responds to arguments that connect the divine feminine with deception, idolatry, and false light. She examines scriptural symbolism, the role of feminine wisdom in Proverbs and the Tree of Life, questions around 1 Enoch 42, and the historical suppression of feminine imagery in religious tradition. This conversation also dives into discernment, personal revelation, spiritual autonomy, and the relationship between divine masculine and divine feminine as part of becoming whole.In this episode: The real issue with lumping all “divine feminine” ideas together  Heavenly Mother, scripture, and feminine symbolism  Why fear is not the same as wisdom  How discernment differs from blanket rejection  1 Enoch, Proverbs, Jeremiah, and competing interpretations  The role of intuition, revelation, and spiritual maturity  Why integration of masculine and feminine matters Whether you are curious about Heavenly Mother, wrestling with concerns about deception, or studying the divine feminine through a Christian lens, this episode offers a thoughtful framework for seeking truth without fear.Resources & References“Destroying the Divine Feminine” with Dave Butler — Heavenly Mother in the Hebrew temple. "The Word of God, By Humans: Contextualizing the Bible and Tips for Study" — mentioned as an earlier episode explaining how the Bible was written, curated, translated, and transmitted. Daniel C. Peterson, “Nephi and his Asherah” — mentioned in relation to Tree of Life symbolism and Asherah. Available in Hidden Wisdom app. Sherry and Victor Wirth, Mother in Heaven — 500+ page resource on the divine feminine in scripture, apocrypha, and extra-biblical texts. Available in Hidden Wisdom App. Margaret Barker, “What Did King Josiah Reform?” — historical context on Josiah's reforms. Available in Hidden Wisdom app. Gospel of Thomas — mentioned in relation to integrating male and female into one. Gospel of Philip — referenced in connection with Adam, Eve, and reunion overcoming death.  Questions about Return to the Garden? Sign up for a free discovery call! Hidden Wisdom initiates truth-seekers into the Mysteries, guiding listeners toward a lived experience of the Divine that awakens and transforms faith—without dismantling family or community. Pursue your Journey: ✨ Hidden Wisdom App – Pathway programs, community, library, events and more! Register for free or learn more here.

Dave and Nephi discuss: Idaho's technology in hunting regulations and the current legislative action on them; ethics around different types of technology in hunting; a lawsuit challenging the Ambler Road project in Alaska; whether certain conservation topics are big issues or not; the retirement of Sen. Daines and Rep. Zinke in MT; and more. Don't forget, you can watch us on YouTube now!

Warriors of Teancum Men's Retreat - https://www.cwicmedia.com/warriors-of...  Two big "archetypes" of Bible commentary: Critics (Type A) vs Preachers (Type B). Type A is academic, puzzle-solving: authorship, dates, audiences, layers of editing. Type A can be written as if God is methodologically "out of scope"—even by believers. Tools on the critic side: languages, textual criticism, archaeology, history, sociology. Archaeology shifted from "confirming the Bible" to often complicating/contradicting surface readings. There's a spectrum / hybrid zone (e.g., scholars who do serious work but keep discipleship in view). Dave proposes a "third model": the Bible as a damaged record of a real encounter with God, not mere secular artifact. The Book of Mormon provides "other data" critics don't have—an anchored point-of-view. The Book of Mormon is hyper-explicit about authors/editors ("Hi, my name is Mormon/Nephi…") and record transmission. That explicitness gives "planks to stand on" when approaching a messy, anonymous biblical anthology. It also helps solve two problems: (1) Is the Bible solvable? (2) What can you responsibly take to the pulpit? Pulpit takeaway: you can preach from known voices/perspectives (Jacob, Nephi, Alma) without getting lost in source debates. Observation: most Saints read Type B; Type A feels dry, hard, "outside comfort zone," and takes effort to digest. Engaging scholarly tools can illuminate both Bible and Book of Mormon more deeply.  Cwic Media Website: http://www.cwicmedia.com  

In their first ever video podcast (visit the Your Mountain YouTube channel), Dave and Nephi dive into state actions around conservation. Topics include: Oregon's new 1.25% lodging tax for wildlife; How other states fund wildlife management; why we should stop saying "consumptive user" and "non-consumptive user"; Colorado moving forward with banning the sale of fur; Idaho debating prohibiting certain technology in hunting (we got the status of this one wrong, so feel free to fast forward and listen to a deeper, and more accurate dive in our next episode); and more.

How can sacred art help us feel closer to the Savior and more fully understand his Atonement? In this episode, professor of ancient scripture John Hilton III discusses his new book Behold the Lamb: A Visual Witness of the Savior's Final Hours, created with Anthony Sweat and J. Kirk Richards. The book gathers contemporary Latter-day Saint artwork depicting the final twelve hours of Christ's mortal life and invites deeper reflection on each piece through artist insights, artistic commentary, and cultural context. Professor Hilton explores why Latter-day Saints often favor images of Gethsemane and the Resurrection over those of the Crucifixion, how scripture emphasizes Christ's death as central to His Atonement, and how sacred art can help us "behold the Lamb of God…[who] was lifted up upon the cross and slain for the sins of the world" (1 Nephi 11: 32–33) with greater devotion. This episode offers a meaningful way to enrich your Easter season and deepen your discipleship.   Publications: Behold the Lamb: A Visual Witness of the Savior's Final Hours, co-authored with Anthony Sweat and J. Kirk Richards, Religious Studies Center (2026) Considering the Cross: How Calvary Connects Us with Christ, Deseret Books (2021) "The Loving Christ," in The Power of Christ's Deliverence, Religious Studies Center (2022) Highlighted artwork: A Place Called Gethsemane, Anthony Sweat Arms of Mercy, Anthony Sweat Judged of the World, Emilie Buck Lewis King of the Jews, Tyler Swain Advocate, Chad Winks Christ's Cross, Joseph Chu And Israel's Daughters Wept Around, Rose Datoc Dall Finisher of Our Faith, Eva Koleva Timothy How Beautiful upon the Mountain…, Maureen Merrell View His Death, Anthony Sweat Spear in His Side, J. Kirk Richards Descent From The Cross, Brian Kershisnik  Held, Kristin Alley Carver At Birth and Death, Esther Candari Nicodemus in the Tomb, Lester Yocum Click here to learn more about John Hilton III, here to learn more about Anthony Sweat, and here to learn more about J. Kirk Richards

Brandon Bennett currently serves as a Professor of Religious Education at Brigham Young University–Idaho. He previously worked for more than a decade in Seminaries and Institutes of Religion in Utah and Texas, where he was blessed to teach the restored gospel to many remarkable youth and young adults. Throughout much of his adult life, he has held callings working with the rising generation, focusing on strengthening their faith in Jesus Christ and helping them build a firm spiritual foundation. His experiences as a religious educator and youth leader have reinforced the importance of teaching truth “in plainness” (2 Nephi 31:3). Teaching doctrine with clarity and simplicity has, therefore, become one of his great priorities and convictions. He believes that as we seek to clearly understand and faithfully apply the principles taught in the scriptures and the words of the prophets—free from false assumptions—we place ourselves in a position to more fully receive the Savior's power, peace, and direction in our lives. Brandon shares faith-filled thoughts on finding purpose in pain through Jesus Christ. This livestream explores why trials come—from our own choices, mortality, others' actions, or divine tutoring—and how the Savior's touch can give any experience meaning. Rather than saying “everything happens for a reason,” Brandon reframes the idea: through Jesus Christ, everything can have a reason and purpose. Drawing on scripture, doctrine, and the story of the man born blind, this discussion offers hope, perspective, and practical faith for anyone navigating hardship—and for leaders counseling others through it. Links Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community Highlights 00:02:31 – The Challenge of Offering Comfort in Trials 00:03:29 – Introduction of Brandon Bennett 00:04:04 – Background on Brandon’s Presentation 00:05:57 – The Complexity of Trials and Comforting Statements 00:07:35 – The Impact of “Everything Happens for a Reason” 00:09:20 – Understanding Trials Through Personal Experience 00:10:07 – The Nature of Adversity 00:11:21 – Orson F. Whitney’s Quote on Pain and Growth 00:12:54 – The Role of the Savior in Our Trials 00:14:27 – The Importance of Perspective in Trials 00:15:58 – The Role of Empathy in Leadership 00:20:51 – The Danger of Speculative Doctrines 00:23:12 – The Power of Empathy in Healing 00:25:04 – The Role of the Savior in Our Trials 00:26:33 – How to Involve Jesus Christ in Our Lives 00:30:25 – The Doctrine of Christ and Accessing His Power 00:34:25 – The Paradox of Grace 00:40:05 – The Nature of the Savior’s Love and Acceptance 00:42:12 – Conclusion and Final Thoughts on Trials and Healing The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes. Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.