The Mormon Renegade Podcast

In todays world one of the most important tools that God has given us are the scriptures. We can find their covers sacred teachings, inspiring stories, and a prophecies both fulfilled and yet to come. But is this all that we can take from them? Today on the podcast I have Edwin Jacobi to talk about just that. Edwin joined the LDS church of his own freewill at the age of 14 in Spokane, Washington after taking the lessons from the missionaries. He is a business author, serial entrepreneur, life counselor, disruptive inventor and innovative philanthropist.  He is married with a blended family of 10 children.  He is of literal of Jewish descent both of Ephraim and Judah. During our conversation Edwin explains how was able to deepen his own study of the scriptures, thereby creating a deeper relationship with God.

On this episode Justin Francom joins me again as we breakdown a couple of very interesting exchanges between FAIR Mormon and and some members of The LDS Church over some messaging released by Fair. Now for anyone unfamiliar with who FAIR is, they are an organization that forms apologetic defending the LDS Church, and to be honest they have some done some really good work in the past, I even had a member of FAIR on once on this podcast. However thier latest post has left a lot of Mormons in the LDS Church which way the LDS Church and FAIR are heading in regards to the LGBTQ movement. Justin and I talk about what is happening, how it is effecting members of the LDS Church, What the consequences are for society at large, how what we are seeing now is of ancient origins, and wrap all up on a hopeful note as we see progress being made to stem the tide.

On this episode I have Tracy Roberts on the podcast to talk about a book he has recently wrote about the relationship between the Old & New Testaments. During the course of our conversation we talk about Tracys childhood growing up LDS in Texas, his LDS Mission, his time at BYU, how he met his wife, and his faith journey that led him to search out truth no matter where it was. From there the conversation shifts to talking about his new book that illustrates everywhere in the New Testament where the writers either directly quote from the or make reference to the Old Testament, and wrap it all up by talking about why that subject is important to us as followers of the Savior.

Sometimes I feel like we are living in a Charles Dickens novel, "It was the best of times and the worst of times..." As disciples of Christ we can defiantly see that times are getting harder. However there are also some great things happening as well. For example, never before has humanity had the ability to communicate with the rest of the world without a middleman. Also for us Orthodox Mormons we can be a little more bold in proclaiming who we are than those who came before us to keep the religion alive. Today I have on a family who is taking advantage of both of those things. On this episode I sit down with Jeff, Vanessa, & Sharis Alldredge. They have just started a brand-new Youtube channel which is going to give viewers an inside look at their family as they go about their everyday life homesteading in the Black Hills of South Dakota. Along the way we touch on a lot, from their hopes for the channel, how the whole family feels about this new venture and even talk about living Plural Marriage and wrap it all up by talking about what their hopes are in sharing their lives with the rest of the world. The Alldredge Adventure:https://www.youtube.com/@TheAlldredgeAdventureLink To The Gospel Fundamentals Class W/Taylor Smith Every Thursday at 7:00 P.M. Central:Dave Sanders is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.Topic: Gospel Fundamentals Time: May 29, 2025 07:00 PM Central Time (US and Canada) Every week on Thu, 102 occurrence(s)Please download and import the following iCalendar (.ics) files to your calendar system.Weekly: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/tZItf-uqpzwoE9BE5Cz7UjnSgbVmJt-XtQJo/ics?icsToken=DJHlof4rgwzJFuvqKwAALAAAAAVFu69R5Z4ScIPAPW4ld8rhfFWrOqPMFo6EDo15srsUu5RF2ImKSnMeT50amL8EPAq2THpu_DvzT6fACzAwMDAwMQ&meetingMasterEventId=gK8XoRWKRpmNkKbSx83N8wJoin Zoom Meetinghttps://us06web.zoom.us/j/86082297294?pwd=IJPLJalWwpNBZj9F6xa6puuZeaYxe2.1Meeting ID: 860 8229 7294Passcode: 255655---One tap mobile+13017158592,,86082297294#,,,,*255655# US (Washington DC)+13052241968,,86082297294#,,,,*255655# US---Dial by your location• +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC)• +1 305 224 1968 US• +1 309 205 3325 US• +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)• +1 646 931 3860 US• +1 929 205 6099 US (New York)• +1 669 444 9171 US• +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)• +1 689 278 1000 US• +1 719 359 4580 US• +1 253 205 0468 US• +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)• +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)• +1 360 209 5623 US• +1 386 347 5053 US• +1 507 473 4847 US• +1 564 217 2000 USMeeting ID: 860 8229 7294Passcode: 255655Find your local number: https://us06web.zoom.us/u/kdIgFmBm0d

On this episode I have a conversation with April & Tony Despain. April is a Mom that caught wind that her child was being exposed to some Trans affirming things at school. As any good mom would do she raised some questions and after a time found her self in the midst of a lawsuit. https://www.givesendgo.com/AprilWildeDespain

On this episode I get to sit down and have a conversation with a young couple who has found and embraced the Fullness Of The Restored Gospel. Elior & Haley Walker join me today as we talk about their story. Starting in childhood we find out about their upbringing in the LDS Church, how they met and fell in love, how Elior & Haley found out about the inconsistencies in the LDS Church vs Early Mormon History, how they navigated those times together, how they were able to come through this time stronger as a couple, and where the Lord has taken them on this journey. All along the way through this conversation we touch on some pretty deep principles all the while having some.

Right around last Christmas I did an episode about Book of Mormon geography which took a close look at the Heartland Model. Today on the podcast I have Ken Peterson on as we take a deep dive into the Mesoamerican Model as a setting for the Book of Mormon. As always Ken comes prepared as we look at several factors in examining the Meso-American Model including anthropology, geography, geology, linguistics and natural disasters. No matter which model you subscribe to, you are for sure going to learn something from this episode, and while this is a topic that shouldn't affect anyone's testimony, it sure is fun to talk about.

Every so often people come along in the Restored Gospel and end up leaving impressions that echo through decades and centuries later. It will not be surprising that in a hundred years from now if people still won't be referencing Ogden Kraut and his research and work. And also like so many who have left such an impact Ogden did not live long enough to see the full fruition of his work, that particular portion was left to his son Kevin Kraut, and it is he who I am having a conversation with today. We talk about a benchmark that was achieved in his fathers work with the recent publication of Ensign To The Nations. Ensign to the nations is all 70 books that Ogden published in one book. During our conversation we talk about when and how Ogden first got the idea for this book, the reasons it never was published during Ogdens lifetime, the commission from Ogden to his son Kevin to finish the book, the challenges Kevin faced with getting it all put together, some of the more miraculous events that accompanied this work, and finally what this book should mean to mormons today.

On this episode Drew Briney and I have a conversation about an ambitious new project that looks to bring forth a set of scriptures that is closer to the early days of the Restoration. Drew has called this version the Joseph Smith Version (JSV). During our conversation we talk about what this version will look like in terms of content and doctrine. We look at the process Drew used in making determinations about what to leave as we now have in the LDS version of the scriptures vs. what needed to be changed back to the original, the implications of these revisions, how it could change our understanding of certain ideas, doctrine, and understanding of certain scriptures, if any revelations from other early Mormon leaders made into the JSV and the future of the project.

This is the final episode of the Temple Covenants Series. We have explored a lot in this but I didn't feel right without kind of giving a wrap up and conclusion to the series. Today I have Justin Francom back on the podcast to give some insights into the Temple Ordinances. Along the way in our conversation we cover a lot of ground. Justin first illuminates how many of the teachings of the Temple Theology can be find through different cultures and their beliefs, from there our discussion turns to "mapping" the Temple experience and diving into what is next for those who have received their Temple ordinances and what is required of us to keep growing after making these covenants with God.

Rumble Channel: https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegadeWe are nearing the end of the Temple Covenants Series Isaac Musser joins me to have a conversation about the Marriage Covenant we take in the Temple or as Mormons refer to it The Sealing Covenants. Now as we begin to explore what this covenant really is what is brought forward is that we as people only scratch the surface of not only our blessings but perhaps more importantly for this life what our responsibilities regarding this covenant. This episode is absolutely a powerhouse of deeper doctrine and should change our perspectives on this part of the Temple ceremony. To Sign Up For The Gospel Fundamentals Class Go To:https://t.me/+TwV2Dz7RzKk4Y2Ux

On this episode of the podcast we continue the Temple Series as we take look at the Law Of Consecration. David Nielsen joins me to as we examine this covenant. We cover what the covenant is, how the early leadership and membership of the Restored Gospel viewed and understood it, how it was practiced from the Kirtland to Utah periods, the success and failures of various communities who practiced and implemented the covenant, and finally what it should mean for us today as practitioners of the Restored Gospel. DON'T FORGET TO SIGN UP FOR THE GOSPEL FUNDAMENTALS CLASS WITH TAYLOR SMITH. TO SIGN UP JUST CLICK THE LINK BELOWhttps://t.me/+TwV2Dz7RzKk4Y2Ux

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Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content.On this installment of the Temple Series we are going to be discussing perhaps one the most controversial and for sure the most misunderstood portion of the original Mormon Temple ceremony and that is the Oath of Vengeance. With portrayals of Mormonism such as Under The Banner of Heaven and American Primeval this part of the Temple Ceremony makes a lot of Mormons squeamish. The truth is however we don't need to feel that way. Today I have Ben Shaffer on the podcast as we discuss this portion of the Mormon Temple experience in depth. We talk about what the Oath really is,  how it has been misused, how it became taboo,  how it helps us become a more civilized people, and also how it actually helps us focus on relieving the suffering of the oppressed. 

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content.Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/productsNOT FOR CHILDREN!!Today on the podcast Taylor Smith joins me as we move on to Part 5 of the Temple Covenants Series. In this part we will be taking an in depth look at the Law Of Chastity. Now on the surface it seems as though there wouldn't need to be much discussion on this topic. Now if a person desired, they could certainly take its simplest explanation and be blessed, but as with all things in the Restored Gospel there are layers of understanding that go with any principle as well as layered blessings. During this discussion Taylor and I peel back those layers to find deeper meaning within this principle and covenant and give context to help illuminate the fact that this covenant has way more to offer than its simplest explanation.  

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content.Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products This week we continue the Temple Covenants series. Today we will cover perhaps one of the most misunderstood of all the covenants, The Law of the Gospel. To do this I have brought Ken Peterson on. We break down what the covenant is and what it is not, and what it should mean to us as Mormons.  As always, every time when Ken comes on, he adds depth and perspective to this topic. So, if you have ever wondered about what the Law of the Gospel is really all about stick around to get gain a better appreciation of this covenant.  

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content.Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products Joseph Smith was quoted saying the following: “Let us here observe, that a religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things never has power sufficient to produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation . . . It was through this sacrifice [of all earthly things], and this only, that God has ordained that men should enjoy eternal life; and it is through the medium of the sacrifice of all earthly things that men do actually know that they are doing the things that are well pleasing in the sight of God. When a man has offered in sacrifice all that he has for the truth's sake, not even withholding his life, and believing before God that he has been called to make this sacrifice because he seeks to do his will, he does know, most assuredly, that God does and will accept his sacrifice and offering, and that he has not, nor will not seek his face in vain. Under these circumstances, then, he can obtain the faith necessary for him to lay hold on eternal life.” Joseph Smith, Lectures on Faith, pp.6-7 Now if sacrifice opens the windows of heaven and prepares us to become acquainted with God, then we shouldn't be surprised that this would be a covenant we would take in the Temple Endowment. Today Seth Laub joins me as we take a deep dive into the law of sacrifice. We explore its place in mankind's history, how sacrifice to God is actually a blessing to us and not something we should fear, the growth that happens when we learn to sacrifice, how it deepens our walk as disciples of Jesus Christ, and finally the blessings that flow to us from this principle.

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content.Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products So, this is part two of the temple series. Today Felipe and Merilynne Cervantes joins me on the podcast to talk about the Law of Obedience. Now I don't think it is an accident that this is one of the first covenants we make in the Temple. In many ways it provides not only the base for which the rest of the covenants are built on it is also the place in which God reveals how the family is to be organized. We talk about how being obedient is a pathway to freedom, an opportunity to grow, and a mechanism by which our walk as disciples of Christ is deepened so hang out for all that and more.  

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content.Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products You will really want the video for this one. This week is the first episode in a series on the Temple. I will be having on different folks that you have heard on the podcast before to go over each covenant we make in the temple. Now rest assured we won't be divulging anything we are not supposed to. We will however take a look at each covenant we make and what they really mean. On this first episode I have Ann Hatch as we have conversation about the Spirit of Elijah and finding the names of our kindred dead to prepare those names for temple work. No that is just one part of our conversation because the whole way through our conversation we talk about the deeper doctrinal concepts behind these principle as we share stories of some miraculous things that have happened as we both have engaged in this work. By the end my hope is you will feel empowered to get to work in finding your ancestors and preparing them for going to the temple.   

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content.Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products Today's episode is going to be a heavy conversation, but one that has to be had. On this episode I talk with a man who has had one of the most remarkable of faith journeys that I have ever had the privilege to hear. Today I have a conversation with Ammon Jeffs. Ammon is the son of Warren Jeffs and was a firsthand witness to what life was like living on several of the compounds owned and operated by his father and the FLDS Church. During the course of our conversation, we cover Ammon's early life and childhood while first living in Northern Utah, then Short Creek, Texas and many other places. We talk about how his life changed once his father took power, the death of his mother, his father's arrest for abuse, his banishment from the FLDS Church and his coming to terms with his father's actions. From that point we move into talking about his deconstruction of false doctrines taught by Warren Jeffs and just how different they were from the doctrine taught by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and other early Mormon leaders. We then finish up by talking about how he found and kept his faith in the Restored Gospel as taught by early Mormon leaders. While this conversation starts out really heavy by the end Ammon demonstrates the healing and transformative power of Atonement of Jesus Christ and the Restored Gospel and shows us that we don't have to be a slave to our trials or the sins of our family's past. 

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   (THIS EPISODE IS FOR MORE MATURE AUDIENCES, SOME CLIPS I PLAY FROM A DIFFERENT PODCAST MAKE SEVERAL INAPPROPRIATE INNUENDOS AND I WOULD SUGGEST NOT LETTING ANYONE UNDER 16 LISTEN!!!)   While I won't play down the theological differences between Orthodox Mormonism and the LDS Church the truth is that there is a lot more that we have in common than not and as such when The LDS Church lines up with True Principles we should stand with them on that principle. This episode is one of those as me and my guest defend the LDS Church from a prominent Anti-Mormon podcaster. The LDS Church in the last couple months took a few steps in a direction I think most of us as Fundamentalists would agree with. They have presented new curriculum for their youth explaining the history around the LDS Church's former practice of Celestial Plural Marriage. Now by presenting this information you would think that the anti/post Mormon community would be happy with this since they have been screaming for more transparency on Joseph Smith's practice of plural marriage. However, the exact opposite is true. They railed on the curriculum material by calling it grooming. So, on this Ben Winfield and I breakdown not only the curriculum published by the LDS Church (which in my opinion is pretty darn good for LDS Youth) but also the response from a prominent anti-Mormon podcaster. 

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   There are some stories in scripture especially when you get back towards Genesis that seem so far removed that it can be hard for us to extract any meaning from it. However, God never gives us anything that he doesn't want us to use. Today Michael Ness joins me again as we wrap up his series on Genesis. The main scriptural account we will be covering is about Nimrod and the Tower of Babel. During the course of our conversation, we talk about who Nimrod was and his possible connections to the character of Baal, as well as a period of time that overlaps with Abraham. We then move on to Tower of Babel and some very interesting parallels to our modern society and some warnings from the past that we should pay attention to. Now you can't talk about those things without also taking time as well to talk about The Brother of Jared, the Jaredites from the Book of Mormon and their concurrent history. 

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   The Savior warned us that in the last days there would be false Prophets and false Christs that would lead people astray. To ensure that we don't become misled it is important that we understand truth so well that we can spot a counterfeit a mile away. It is for this reason I wanted to do this two-part series on the Nemenhah Record. With that said last week me and Justin Francom broke down the Nemenhah Record and explored some pretty problematic teachings found in this alleged book of scripture. Today Justin joins me again as we finish our examination of the Nemenhah Record, and spoiler alert we are about see where the Nemenhah Record really disagress with the Book of Mormon and other principles of the Restoration as taught by the Prophet Joseph Smith. Today we cover what the Nemenhah Record says about changing the ordinance of Baptism, Plural Marriage and some damning evidence on timelines that really puts the record at odds with what has already been revealed by the Prophet Joseph Smith. I would ask that you please share these episodes with your family and friends who have bought into this record so that they might not be deceived 

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Mormon theology is full of amazing promises. Some of those promises have to do with new scripture coming forth in the last days. Now that is an exciting prospect. Like many of you I look forward to that time. However, when one says that new scripture that has come forth, we must be very careful. We must make sure that the purported new scripture harmonizes with the principles of the existing cannon of scripture and other principles that have been revealed through the Prophet Joseph Smith. Today on this episode and next week as well I have Justin Francom on to breakdown all six volumes of the Nemenhah Record. We examine the books views on Family Structure, Priesthood, Communing with Deity, Political Ideology, and the books' view on Joseph Smith, then compare what the book is saying with the already restored truths found in Scripture and from Joseph Smith. 

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content.   If you were to ask most people off the street what an Orthodox Mormon is they would give a description of what they have saw from mainstream media. The issue with that is the images presented by media really is of only one group. Because of the nature of that business, people often don't get to see folks in this faith tradition as they really are which is a vibrant people from all walks of life with various talents and abilities that can bless the lives of all of Gods children despite our religious differences. Now I have talked with several people on the podcast about how they ended up believing in and practicing Orthodox Mormonism. Today Tom Bennett joins me on the podcast to talk his journey into Orthodox Mormonism. One of the ways Tom makes his living is as a musician. In the course of our conversation, we talk about his journey from being a Baptist to a member of the LDS Church, his mission for the LDS Church, his journey into fundamentalism, his falling away and return to the Restored Gospel, and how his faith sustains him in the music industry, and along the way we even get hear a couple of songs. 

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   A few weeks back I had a conversation with my friend Ann Hatch and  we were talking about things that were going on in the world and what it could all mean. Now I am not a guy who likes to play the game “pin the tail on the apocalypse” but I do think that there are ways that maybe we can gauge where we are by things that are given to us in scripture. Ann had said she had recently read a book that gave her some context for some recent events in Israel and mentioned she might want to talk about it on the podcast. So today she joins me as we talk about what happened in Israel on October 3rd 2023, and if it is possible that a prophecy was fulfilled on that day. We talk about what that prophecy is and what its significance could be for the world at large and us as individuals.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   There are some things in Mormonism that are just plain fun to talk about, debate on and think about. One of those topics is Book of Mormon Geography ideas and theories. Meaning where did the events in the Book of Mormon take place. Now while there are many ideas there are really two that seem to draw the most attention one is the Meso-American Model and the other is the Heartland Model. Today's episode is all about the Heartland Model, and when talking about the Heartland one man stands above all others in that field, his name is Rod Meldrum and lucky for us he agreed to come on the podcast and have a conversation about the Heartland Model. The results are four and half of evidence ranging from Covenants to descriptions from the Book of Mormon its self, to physical evidence, things Joseph Smith has said, and finally to ceremonial structures in the Heartland of America that if you have been endowed should remind of you a few things. Now while you can certainly get a lot from this episode by just listening, I strongly encourage you to head over to the Mormon Renegade Channel at Rumble so you can see all the pictures and slides. Get ready for an absolutely epic mind blowing conversation. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   One of the things we all need as disciples of Christ is fellowship with others. This isn't only because we want someone else to hangout with but because each of has a unique story to tell. One of the things that is so vitally important is to hear from others is how they got to where they are in their spiritual journeys. There are things in those stories that remind us of why we believe what it is we believe. This episode defiantly falls into that category as I sit down and have a conversation with Felipe & Merilynnes  and how they came to be converted to the orthodox teachings of Mormonism. We cover Merilynnes upbringing in Utah as a fully active member of the LDS Church, her time in college and on a mission. We then here from Felipe and how he journeyed from being a catholic to a member of the LDS Church and then being introduced to orthodox Mormon teaching and how Felipe & Merilynne grew together while studying those early Mormon teachings. We cover how their families reacted to their conversions and what their experiences have been in living orthodox Mormonism.   --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   One of the reasons I love Mormonism is the idea that God is no respecter of persons. What that means for us is that as God has dealt with His children in the past is how He will deal with us today. This allows us to foster a relationship with Him because we know what He expects of us. Now with that in mind let me ask this question, should we expect to find the Law of Moses before Moses earthly ministry? The answer is of course yes. Today on the podcast Joshua Erickson and I have a conversation about this. Now if you are able I would recommend going to the Rumble channel and listening because Joshua has a lot of slides to go along with our conversation that you might find helpful. During the course of our conversation we look at the life and ministry of the Patriarchs in the Old Testament and find some very compelling evidence that they were practicing Law long before Moses. We wrap it all up at the end by talking about what this should mean for each one of us and our relationship with God.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   I believe that one of the things that we as orthodox Mormons are called to is to preserve truths of the Restoration that have been discarded. Now while that statement on the surface seems pretty straight forward it actually is a little more complex than we might think. In order to fulfill that part of our mission it requires us to look at what we do and then make the determination that what in our practices are Doctrine versus Tradition, then to complicate the subject even more we have to ask the question is this a good tradition or a harmful tradition. Sometimes identifying what is tradition versus doctrine is really manifested in how we conduct our worship meetings. On this episode Justin Francom & Adam Hosey join me for a discussion on this very topic. Through the course of our conversation, we cover the good and bad aspects of tradition and how to tell the differences, what the Lord has to say concerning what must be present in our worship services, differences in Mormonism and other religions and finally what we can do to infuse more meaning into our worship meetings.   --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   This week on the podcast Taylor Smith and I finish our conversation about the book The Great Omission which was wrote by a sectarian Christian advocating for plural marriage and boy do we cover a lot of ground in our conversation. We talk about how and why monogamy became the norm in Christianity, Plural Marriage in early Protestantism, Population Collapse and the role it played in the Ukrainian/Russian war and it becoming a problem here in the West, the definition of Patriarchy and what it really is, The omission of Plural Marriage in the King James Bible, the implications for living Plural Marriage today.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   There are a lot of beliefs and practices that make Mormonism truly unique the religious world. Certainly, if you were to ask a run of the mill person on the street what makes Mormons different the first thing brought up would be plural marriage. But what if a sectarian Christian wrote a book advocating for plural marriage, what would that look. Like.  Well today you are going to find out. Taylor Smith joins me today as we breakdown a book entitled The Great Omission by Clyde L Pilkington. Now to cover this book it is going to take two episodes. In this first part we cover the problem of demographics and ratio of men to women in modern society, Old Testament precedents, New Testament's evidence, what the New Testament and Christ both say on the topic and all along the way debunk and dispel misconceptions around plural marriage.  https://www.amazon.com/Great-Omission-Christendoms-Abandonment-Biblical/dp/1934251712/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.CZLRQZpy_VWXHrTIQnknhltAfbGARzSDz8hjBv1O2e_FoQp0Hw8rgguOLo16Qq1C52aW9YGcfFel-ib0G3oyLEGIRMjUCcKJ31UqHrLWPFpk8dCUJc84Mw5tBodoJb1agYupQ-7zJoFmSCgB7evHAT8-WmwVj7SJv611HEOr-2aKAXUfUwqvlLcEmkFdfpQTgf6m6qCtEiL4a8o3PElHYWlEIrkcwIOA2hL_GVHAkaE.hwACx4G95uEgWimidwAgF9OorQIVIoz8SOaJ7BCxA6A&dib_tag=se&hvadid=580629326769&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9023799&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=307385124108899090&hvtargid=kwd-790665215&hydadcr=8237_13500794&keywords=the+great+omission&qid=1731789634&sr=8-5 --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Right now, the Plural Marriages deniers are coming out in full force to try and damage the testimony of the truth in as many people as they can. One of the tactics that are used is that they will say that the early sisters that practiced the principle of Celestial Plural Marriage where oppressed, weak, silent women who would never choose such a marriage. Man, if only we had access to those early Sisters thoughts and feelings……oh wait we do! Today on the podcast Kimberly Watson Smith joins me again where we read those early Sisters words (in context) and let those sisters from Church history speak for themselves. Through our conversation what we find is that these women left all of us in the Restoration a proud heritage of faith and that should inspire, uplift, and strengthen our testimonies of not only the principle of Celestial Plural Marriage but also the whole of the teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Well given that the election day is just a few days away I wanted to do an episode not so much on the politics but on what could be at stake this election. To do that I think we need to take a look around the globe and see what's really happening. Now to help us get a feel on what's really happening I felt like I needed to talk to someone that is not only in the know, but someone who could provide context for all that is happening. For that heavy lift I reached backout to David Pyne. If you recall I had David on once before earlier this summer and he has an impressive resume where he was National Security Policy Director for Senator Mike Lee, and Defense & Foreign Policy Advisor for former presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy and that's just for starters. We have a fascinating conversation about what is really happening with all the conflicts around the globe, what those conflicts could mean for America as a country, what he thinks the likely outcome of the election will be and the ramifications of those elections here in America.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Today on the podcast Michael Ness joins me again as we continue our series on the Old Testament. This episode is all about Noah. For many the Noah story is a simple story. God tells Noah to build an ark, animals come aboard the ark, it rains and floods, Noah's family is preserved and that's about it. Well guess what there are some amazing insights that can be gleaned from the Noah account, and we talk about a lot of them on this episode. Through the account of Noah we touch on things such as the nature of God, Biblical origins, the scribes and how the conflict from the Northern and Southern kingdoms of Israel factor into the way the Bible was compiled, and then to really stretch your mind you will hear how the Temple is and Temple theology is woven throughout the entire story of Noah. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So I apologize I didn't release an episode but I was pretty busy with some pretty cool things last weekend, but we are back today so here we go. We seem to be reaching a point in society that home ownership seems to be getting further out of reach especially for our children and couple that with a desire to get out of a society that seems to be getting farther away from reality and seems to be slipping more and more into chaos it seems like our options are getting pretty slim. But what if it didn't have to be that way? What if there was a way that we could gather with like-minded people to weather these societal storms. Well today on this episode Jeff Alldredge joins me again to have a conversation about a plan that he has to help people do just that. As we break down his idea it seems to have the ability to be repeatable and scalable for almost all people despite their skillsets or economic situations. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So I started a series of episodes about people who have found their into Mormon Fundamentalism and started that with a conversation with Adam Hosey. That episode got a lot of likes so we are now ready for part two. So what happens when an LDS Missionary discovers the forgotten teachings of the Restoration? Well today I have Mason Vogel on the podcast to talk about just that. We talk about Mason's ties to Mormonism, his conversion to the LDS Church, his time as a missionary for the LDS Church, his departure from his mission and the church, and where and what's he is doing today in his faith journey.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So last week we covered who Nibley was as a person. Now this week I got a real treat for you. Ken Peterson joins me for part 2 of this series on Nibley as we breakdown his work, teachings and discoveries. And just a public service announcement here you might you want to wear a hat to keep your head together because some of this will blow your mind. In the course of our conversation, we give a quick breakdown each one of Hugh Nibley's books and their contents then touch just a little on some of his most profound and significant teachings and discoveries then wrap it all up by talking about his significance to the story of the restoration.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   There are certain men in the story of the Restoration who leave a large footprint on Mormonism. Some are theologians, others are leaders, some are scholars. Today we will be talking about just such a man. Ken Peterson joins me for the next two weeks to have a couple of conversations about Hugh Nibley and his teachings. This week will be talking about Nibley's childhood, his family's connections to early LDS Church leadership, his education, his mission to germany, his time in the army during world war 2, a near death experience he had, and his time at BYU, and  finish up this part by talking about his impact on Mormonism at large.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So I have had the opportunity to meet many families in Mormon Fundamentalism and the vast majority of those families are beautiful, well adjusted, loving families. But I won't deny that just like monogamous marriages abuse does happen and when it does women and children need help. However not all organizations that offer that help are created equal. This was never more on display than during the days of the wicked priest-tyrant Warren Jeffs. As folks reached out for help to get away from him there were organizations all too eager to help but would do so with strings attached like putting a camera in the survivor's face and profiting off of their pain for reality T.V. ratings and then berating some of the survivors' religious beliefs. However, there is one organization that I feel does it right and that is Cherish Families. Cherish Families was founded and is largely staffed by people from polygamous backgrounds both practicing and non-practicing. With their deep understanding of the fears and barriers that people from our faith community can experience, they are compassionate, empathetic, and uniquely qualified to serve the Mormon Fundamentalist community all without profiting off the survivor's pain or forcing them to denounce their religious beliefs. Today I have Shirlee Draper on from Cherish Families and we have a discussion about how the organization was founded, how they seek to fulfill their mission, and what you could do to help if you feel so inclined.    https://cherishfamilies.org/ https://cherishfamilies.org/who-we-are/frequently-asked-question.html#content_24c94869fe754a439e20f7bcd2dbb8f2_item_14840325 --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So if you remember a few months back I released an episode about the books of Enoch. In that episode we broke down the history of the books from a scholarly perspective. Now today we are going to do a deep dive on what the Books of Enoch teach us as Michael Ness and I continue our series on the Old Testament. During our conversation we parse out who Enoch was, how he fits in the timeline of the patriarchs, what some of his heavenly visitations can teach us, and then wrap it all up by talking about what Enoch means to adherents to the restoration.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Sometimes as people when we encounter a problem, we tend to look forward to try to get perspective on the issue we are facing. Now that's not a bad thing, sometimeshowever the perspective we desire is found behind us. Now let's look at Mormonism. Could it be that perhaps other religious traditions have gone through something similar that Mormonism has with splits from the mainstream that has led to different groups and churches? Well today I have Justin Francom on to talk about the split that happened in early Christianity that led to the development of what is today known as Eastern Orthodox Christianity. In our conversation we cover the history of the early Christian church, then move on to discuss the reasons and doctrinal disagreements that precipitated the split, we then draw some very interesting connections between the split that happened almost 2,000 years ago to what has happened to Mormonism today that should give us the perspective we need to move forward. Finaly we wrap up by talking about opportunities moving forward that just might help the various groups and independents find common ground while allowing us to disagree more agreeably. That and more on this episode of the MRP. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So a couple weeks ago something came to my attention that I thought deserved to have a spotlight shined on it. A family who lives in the United States told me about a sheriff's deputy who had made a post on social media where they basically equated all people practicing plural marriage to every type of sexual predator you could imagine. Well as I am apt to do, I reached out to someone way smarter than myself. Today on the podcast I have Randall Edwards on to talk about this. Now not only do we talk about what happened to this family, but we also dive into the legal history of how we got here. During this conversation there are some interesting things that come to light that gives some very interesting insights on the true motivations of those who persecuted those early Latter-Day Saints and some perspective what that means for us today.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   There is a movement today in much of the Restoration to either distance itself or in extreme instances completely throw out Brigham Young. The problem is if you throw out Brigham Young you also throw out anything that is uniquely Mormon because its during Brigham's administration that many of the deeper doctrines of the Restoration taught by Joseph are expounded upon by Brigham Young. So to help talk about the importance of Brigham Young I have put together a powerhouse panel to have this discussion. Joining me for this is Kimberly Watson Smith, Sean Anderson, Jacob Vidrine, & Taylor Smith. We discuss Brigham's life before he joins the church, his early ministry, his missionary efforts, his pivotal role in the succession crisis, his leadership in getting the saints to the west and finally finish up by talking about what Brigham Young's legacy and importance is in the Restoration of the Gospel. That's next on this episode of the MRP.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   So, this is part 2 in the series Michael Ness and I are doing about the Old Testament. Kind of like an Institute class. Now if you want to be able to see the classes that go along with this series reach out to me and I will get you the link so you can tune into those. They are on the first and second Tuesday of every month. Today Michael and I pick up shortly after Adam & Eve are expelled out of the garden and follow it all the way through to the murder of Abel by Cain. Now we dig through not only the scriptures of accepted cannon but also into several books of the apocrypha to give this account fuller context and greater understanding. Along the way we draw several interesting parallels to things happening in the world today as well a lot of clarification and food for thought will deepen your testimony of the Restored Gospel.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   One of the things I really love about Mormonism is that because it has its own culture it has its own stories and traditions. Now it's up to us to parse out those stories and traditions and then decide if they are doctrine or just ideas. Today on the podcast we are going to cover a topic that will require us to do just that. Back in the early days of the Restoration there was an idea that in the last days a Lamanite prophet would arise and set certain things within Mormonism in what came to be known as the Prophecy of the Lamanite Prophet. Moroni Lopez Jessop joins me fresh off his Sunstone talk about this very subject to take a look at this story and teaching. We cover where this idea started, how it was understood by early Mormons, how it fell out of favor with the LDS Church, how it was kept alive by Mormon Fundamentalists, and what its relevance is today given the gift of hindsight.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   There are many things that we find echoes of Mormonism in. If we believe in Joseph Smiths prophetic mantle one place we shouldn't be surprised is to find those echoes is in the apocrypha. One book of the apocrypha is the Book of Enoch. Today on the podcast I have Adam Stokes on to talk about the Book of Enoch. Adam is not only a believer in the Restoration but also has degrees from Duke & The Yale School of Divinity and is also a professor. He recently has been doing some work on the Book of Enoch. In our conversation we talk about what the Book of Enoch is, how it was found, It doctrinal emphasis, the striking “bullseyes” between the Book Of Enoch and Joseph Smith translations of the Book of Moses, and finally what we as Mormons today can take away from it.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   A few months back I had Liz Bradley on the podcast for a first instalment of a series covering certain gospel principles in hopes that we (and when I say we I mean mostly me) can start to clean the junk out of our lives so that we can become the people the Lord needs us to be as times get crazier in these last days. Last time Liz and I had a conversation about forgiveness, now while that topic can be tough this next one will be just as equally challenging as we talk about submitting our will to God. As Liz and I have this conversation we dive into the scriptures, talk about lived life experiences and how this principle can affect our lives for the better here in mortality.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Ok it doesn't matter where you are at on the Mormon spectrum, Active LDS, Mormon fundamentalist or uncorrelated Mormon this topic applies to us all. I have a had a theory for a while that as a general rule change in the LDS Church doesn't begin at the top in Salt Lake City. It often begins in Provo at BYU. I think what we are going to talk about today fits that bill. We have known now for a little while that BYU had been pushing evolution not from a place of “hey this is one theory” but more from a “this is the way it is” type of place. Well now we are starting to see the fruits of that. On the shelves of Deseret Book right now is a book entitled “Let's Talk About Science & Religion”. The books whole thrust is about showing how the theory of evolution and the Restored Gospel are totally compatible.  Today Nate Richardson (who by the way has a killer presentation on this) joins me on the podcast as we talk about the book. Now as we have our conversation Nate shows the books obvious fallacies, what early Mormon leaders had to say about the theory of evolution, why the science on this is not settled and then finally wrapping up with what some of the downstream consequences that will most likely occur by adopting the theory of evolution into Mormon theology.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   Have you wondered what a Mormon Fundamentalist institute class would look and sound like? Well today you are going to get a sample of that. Michael Ness is beginning a class on the Old Testament and he agreed to come on the podcast and run through his first lesson on Genesis and creation. What ends up happening through our conversation is that we dive way deep on some pretty heavy stuff. We talk about the Adam-God doctrine, early apocryphal works, the ancient Egyptian Books of The Dead and Breathings, and much much, more that is guaranteed to blow your mind. Now if you interested in seeing Michaels class live reach out to me and I can hook you up with that link. Now strap in for some really deep doctrine.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products To Purchase The Book go to cash app @$PhilipWesterlund and Send $20.00   For a few years now I have seen a disturbing trend where some of our youth are being taught (I am looking at you BYU) the idea that Consecration is just communism with a religious angle. To address this Today I have Phil Westerlund on the podcast. Now Phil has led quite a life from his time as a helicopter pilot in Vietnam to his continued career as a helicopter pilot in the private sector. Phil somewhere in the middle of all that has had time to write a book entitled Liberty In Danger (We Must Not Sleep). Phil and have I have conversation about the book which breaks down the 10 points of the communist manifesto and then compares what the scriptures and early LDS leaders had to say on those topics and just kind of a spoiler…they were not fans of the idea. Through the book Phil shows that this idea simply isn't true and I can't recommend the book enough for Mormon Families. For those who wish to purchase the book simply hit the link in these episodes show notes. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support