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Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   The Savior warned us that in the last days there would be false Prophets and false Christs that would lead people astray. To ensure that we don't become misled it is important that we understand truth so well that we can spot a counterfeit a mile away. It is for this reason I wanted to do this two-part series on the Nemenhah Record. With that said last week me and Justin Francom broke down the Nemenhah Record and explored some pretty problematic teachings found in this alleged book of scripture. Today Justin joins me again as we finish our examination of the Nemenhah Record, and spoiler alert we are about see where the Nemenhah Record really disagress with the Book of Mormon and other principles of the Restoration as taught by the Prophet Joseph Smith. Today we cover what the Nemenhah Record says about changing the ordinance of Baptism, Plural Marriage and some damning evidence on timelines that really puts the record at odds with what has already been revealed by the Prophet Joseph Smith. I would ask that you please share these episodes with your family and friends who have bought into this record so that they might not be deceived 

Have you studied, Joseph Smith's plural marriage proposals? Dr Christopher Smith finds many commonalities between Emma's marriage proposal and other wives of Joseph Smith, including the secrecy of the proposal. What else is there in these plural marriage proposals? Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/NJcIW2C_9xM Don't miss our other conversations on Secret Covenants! https://gospeltangents.com/books/secret-covenants/ Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission. transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission.

Go To https://rumble.com/user/MormonRenegade for free video & access to exclusive content. Renegade Supply Store: https://renegade-supply-shop.printify.me/products   This week on the podcast Taylor Smith and I finish our conversation about the book The Great Omission which was wrote by a sectarian Christian advocating for plural marriage and boy do we cover a lot of ground in our conversation. We talk about how and why monogamy became the norm in Christianity, Plural Marriage in early Protestantism, Population Collapse and the role it played in the Ukrainian/Russian war and it becoming a problem here in the West, the definition of Patriarchy and what it really is, The omission of Plural Marriage in the King James Bible, the implications for living Plural Marriage today.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

THE PRIESTHOOD LAW OF PLURAL MARRIAGE, Chapter 7 of The Church and The Priesthood    Pages 99 to 108   I am the Lord thy God, and will give unto thee the law of my Holy Priesthood, as was ordained by me and my Father before the world was. (D & C 132:28) [Then follows the law pertaining to plural marriage.]   Today there are approximately 30,000 Fundamentalist Mormons who believe in plural marriage. They have faith that by righteously obeying that law, they will receive corresponding blessings in the hereafter. Thus, they defend and obey the law of plural marriage even though they know it is against the laws of the LDS Church, the state and the nation. Many of these people were formerly active and loyal members of the Church, holding positions in their wards and stakes; yet they are willing to suffer excommunication, condemnation and alienation from church, family and friends because of their firm religious convictions. They believe plural marriage is a Priesthood law that can be lived outside of and separate from the corporate LDS Church.   Using the words of early general authorities and other prominent Saints, several (20) questions are briefly answered in this chapter showing that plural marriage is an eternal Priesthood law. It is just one of several doctrines and laws that the Church can vote to accept or reject, but that does not change their eternal nature.

  PLURAL MARRIAGE, Part 4 of Chapter 12 of The Church and The Gospel    Pages 191 to 197   Matthias Cowley (1901) None of the revelations of the prophets either past or present have been repealed. . . . These revelations received by our prophets and seers are all of God, and we cannot repeal or disannul them without making God out a liar, and God cannot lie. . . . I wish to remind you of a certain revelation given through President Taylor. The command was given to set our quorums and houses in order, and the promise was that if we should obey the command, God would fight our battles for us; but we did not obey the command, so God did not fight our battles for us. If we [192] had obeyed that command and revelation given through President Taylor, there would have been no Manifesto. (Smoot Investigations 1:8, Jan. 28, 1901)

PLURAL MARRIAGE, Part 3 of Chapter 12 of The Church and The Gospel  Pages 186 to 191 Joseph Smith (1843) The same God that has thus far dictated me and directed me and strengthened me in this work, gave me this revelation and commandment on celestial and plural marriage and the same God commanded me to obey it. He said to me that unless I accepted it and introduced it, and practiced it, I, together with my people, would be damned and cut off from this time hence forth. And they say if I do so, they will kill me. O, what shall I do? If I do not practice it, I shall be damned with my people. If I do teach it, and practice it, and urge it, they say they will kill me, and I know they will. But we have got to observe it. It is an eternal principle and was given by way of commandment and not by way of instruction. (Contributor 5:259) Heber C. Kimball (1856) You might as well deny “Mormonism”, and turn away from it, as to oppose the plurality of wives. Let the Presidency of this Church, and the Twelve Apostles, and all the authorities unite and say with one voice that they will oppose that doctrine, and the whole of them would be damned. What are you opposing it for? It is a principle that God has revealed for the salvation of the human family. (JD 5:203-204) Brigham Young (1865) There is no half-way house. The childish babble about another revelation is only evidence of how half-informed men can talk. The “Mormons” have either to spurn their religion and their God, and sink self-damned in the eyes of all civilization at a moment when most blessed in the practice of their faith, or go calmly on to the same issue which they have always had. 

PLURAL MARRIAGE, Part 2 of Chapter 12 of The Church and The Gospel  Pages 179 to 186 Because the revelation was received in 1843, the command to live that principle also came with it. Many men such as Brigham Young, John Taylor, Orson Pratt, William Clayton, Heber C. Kimball, and many others were commanded to obey it. Some men, however, such as William Law (Joseph's second counselor), Stake President William Marks, and High Councilmen Leonard Soby and Austin Cowles, rejected the revelation. This division began a split in the Church which has continued ever since. Men who opposed the revelation set up a printing establishment in Nauvoo with the intent to expose the plural marriage doctrine. The first and only edition was published as The Nauvoo Expositor on May 10, 1844, and it referred to the revelation on the “plurality of wives, for time and eternity.” Before the Prophet Joseph was killed, he predicted that his death would not end the persecutions that would come from the Saints living plural marriage: It is thought by some that our enemies would be satisfied with my destruction; but I tell you that as soon as they have shed my blood, they will thirst for the blood of every man in whose heart dwells a single spark of the spirit of the fulness of the gospel . . . . It is not only to destroy me but every man and woman who dares believe the doctrines that God hath inspired me to teach to this generation. (“Plural Marriages as Taught by Joseph Smith,” Helen Mar Whitney, p. 19; as Lundwall quoted in Fate of the Persecutors. . . , p. 144)

PLURAL MARRIAGE, Part 1 of Chapter 12 of The Church and The Gospel    Pages 174 to 179   An Ancient Doctrine Polygamy, polygyny, or plural marriage certainly did not start with the Mormons. All the people of the Orient, who are descendants of Japheth, the son of Noah, have accepted it as an integral part of their marriage practices. All of the Arabic nations, who are descendants of Abraham, have continued to allow plural marriage because it is a principle of their religion that was practiced and honored by father Abraham. All through the Bible the great and grand prophets, patriarchs and kings believed that God gave that principle as a divine revelation. Hence, it has been acceptable in most nations. This gave the Apostle Orson Pratt reason to say in 1852: Plurality of wives is a doctrine very popular among most of mankind at the present day. It is practiced by the most powerful nations of Asia and Africa, and by numerous nations, inhabiting the Islands of the sea, and by the Aboriginal nations of the great Western Hemisphere. The one wife system is confined principally to a few small nations, inhabiting Europe and to those who are of European origin, inhabiting America. It is estimated by the most able historians of our day that about four-fifths of the population of the globe, believe and practice, according [175] to their respective laws, the doctrine of a Plurality of Wives. If the popularity of a doctrine is...

Meri Brown, of TLC's hit show Sister Wives, gets into the details of what polygamy is really like and what life has been like since she left this type of marriage. Rachel and Meri discuss dating and if she will be part of a plural marriage again. She opens up about everything from heartbreak to finding her independence, and explains her latest passion project, Worthy Up. ----- ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Rachel on Instagram!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @RachelUchitelNYC Executive Producer: George Carmona Please like, share, subscribe, and give us a 5-star review! Do you have show ideas, media requests or sponsorship opportunities? Email the show at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠infomissunderstoodpodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Listen on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch every episode on YouTube!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Misunderstood Podcast Check out Rachel's Patreon: Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel Patreon

The recent Worldwide Relief Society Devotional was awesome!  One quote caused a bit of a kerfuffle, which sets the stage for part 3 of our series on women and priesthood. But the devotional really was great!  Go watch it!  And also listen to this episode :) Link to our Face in Hat discord server! https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh YouTube channel!  Thanks Eric! https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat https://www.youtube.com/@FaceinHat/playlists Dialogue Podcast Network https://www.dialoguejournal.com/podcasts/ Worldwide Relief Society Devotional https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/event/worldwide-relief-society-devotional-2024 Accessing God's Power through Covenants, by J. Anette Dennis, First Counselor in the Relief Society General Presidency https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/broadcasts/language-recording/2024/02/14dennis Midwife of The Wild Frontier, by Melissa Tyler (Author) and Luciana Maruca (Illustrator) https://amzn.to/3PO0RUh Instagram post with quote on women, power, and authority https://www.instagram.com/churchofjesuschrist/p/C4oZ-otMOVL/ Twitter thread on YW fundraiser https://twitter.com/sunday_southern/status/1770885870847250553 LDS Church gives more power to women than any other religious organization, leader declares, by Tamarra Kemsley https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/03/17/lds-church-gives-more-power-women/ The Emotional and Priestly Logic of Plural Marriage" (2009), by Kathleen Flake.  Utah State University Press, Arrington Annual Lecture. Paper 15 https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/arrington_lecture/15 The Book of Mormon: Brief Theological Introductions Boxed Set, including Jacob: A Brief Theological Introduction, by Deidre Nicole Green https://amzn.to/49rsnhp Barred by Congress: How a Mormon, a Socialist, and an African American Elected by the People Were Excluded from Office, by Robert M. Lichtman https://amzn.to/3Ufp3Sh

So there has been a lot of revisionist history that has made its way into Mormon circles as of late in conjunction with this, it has required those pushing these false narratives to either twist or flat out lie about what the scriptures say. With this in mind I want to address some of the lies and wishful thinking. One of the more pernicious ideas is that scripture denounces the practice of celestial plural marriage. Well today I have Jacob Vidrine back on the podcast to address this idea. Jacob and I will breakdown the scriptures (in context) to give you a fuller picture of what the scriptures have to say and not say about the practice of celestial plural marriage. Towards the end of the podcast, I name names of those pushing this narrative and also the repercussions of buying into those lies. Grab a pen and paper to take some notes so you can push back on these lies when they arise.  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

Teaching and Study helps for Jacob 1-4. These insights coincide with the lesson for April 1-April 7 in the Come Follow Me manual. Principles include: The “Can I Be Rich” Test, Solution to Immorality, Why Plural Marriage, Overcoming Prejudice, and more. Link to Plural Marriage in Early Utah Essay: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/plural-marriage-and-families-in-early-utah?lang=engTo purchase the Book of Mormon Bundle Subscription, click here:  https://www.etsy.com/shop/TeachingWithPowerYou can reach me by email at teachingwithpower@gmail.comMusic Provided by Youtube Audio Library. Track Name: Dancing Star. https://teachingwithpower.wixsite.com/teachingwithpower Disclaimer: I alone am responsible for the content of these videos. The opinions in them are mine. They represent my ideas and insights and do not reflect the official position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

When you look at the culture around us, it is clear that monogamy is not working for many people. In this episode, we share why egalitarian plural marriage works so well for our polyamorous throuple and why we think that egalitarian polygamy is going to gain popularity as a very desirable relationship dynamic. If you'd like to send us a

Steffany Winder is our dear friend from high school and she graciously shares her witness of Joseph Smith in this week's conversation. She served a mission in Independence, Missouri, and spent years studying about his life and his character. She shares some powerful resources that will help you if you are struggling with church history and some of the stories about Joseph Smith. Anthony Sweat "Plural Marriage" Anthony Sweat "Studying Church History and Doctrine" Anthony Sweat "Loving the Doctrine and Covenants"

Why did Latter-day Saints practice plural marriage in the early days of the church? This is the question Bill and Eric ask this week as we take a look at an article titled “Why did they practice plural marriage in the early days.”

Why did Latter-day Saints practice plural marriage in the early days of the church? This is the question Bill and Eric ask this week as we take a look at an article titled “Why did they practice plural marriage in the early days.”

Why did Latter-day Saints practice plural marriage in the early days of the church? This is the question Bill and Eric ask this week as we take a look at an article titled “Why did they practice plural marriage in the early days.”

Why did Latter-day Saints practice plural marriage in the early days of the church? This is the question Bill and Eric ask this week as we take a look at an article titled “Why did they practice plural marriage in the early days.”

Why did Latter-day Saints practice plural marriage in the early days of the church? This is the question Bill and Eric ask this week as we take a look at an article titled “Why did they practice plural marriage in the early days.”

In 1852, only eight years after Joseph Smith's death, Church leaders in Utah publicly announced to the astonished world what some had suspected—that Latter-day Saints did indeed practice the principle of plural marriage. But now that it was out there in the open, it could be openly challenged and attacked. And it was. Relentlessly. For decades.   In today's episode of Church History Matters we'll walk you through the history of how plural marriage came to a rocky end under the draconian legislation and crushing pressure of the United States government. We'll dive into the George Reynolds trial, President Wilford Woodruff's Manifesto, the Reed Smoot trials and the Second Manifesto, the resignation of the two members of the Quorum of the Twelve over this, the beginning of the FLDS Church, and more!    For show notes and transcript for this and other episodes go to https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/church-history-matters-podcast/   

In June and July of 1843 tensions ran high in the marriage of Joseph and Emma Smith. After she had tried but failed to embrace the principle of plural marriage earlier that May, and after Hyrum Smith had tried but failed to convince her of the rightness of plural marriage even with a copy of Doctrine and Covenants 132 in hand, records indicate that Emma became for a time rebellious, bitter, resentful, and angry. In fact from July through September of 1843 Emma became confrontational to Joseph's other wives trying (sometimes successfully) to drive them away from him.  In this episode of Church History Matters we dive into the details of this challenging time as well as the reconciliatory place Joseph and Emma ultimately seem to come to on this. We'll also dig into how Joseph's practice of plural marriage was a major factor behind the conspiracy which ultimately led to his martyrdom. For show notes and transcript for this and other episodes go to https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/church-history-matters-podcast/   

As Joseph Smith quietly practiced plural marriage in Nauvoo in 1842 and 43, all was not well. Three people in particular complicated things for Joseph. The first was John C. Bennett, a highly gifted convert who's meteoric rise to civic and church leadership in Nauvoo abruptly ended when he was exposed for his secret practice of “spiritual wifery,” which was nothing more or less than illicit serial adultery. Bennett's defamatory opposition to Joseph after his excommunication was fierce and directly impacted Joseph's own private practice of plural marriage. Surprisingly, Joseph's own brother and member of the First Presidency, Hyrum Smith, was openly opposed to polygamy during this time and sought to use his influence to put down any hint of it in Nauvoo, all the while suspecting that his own brother and others of the apostles may be living it. Yet amidst his opposition, in one key moment, everything changed for Hyrum. Joseph's wife Emma Smith was the third and most important person in his life to complicate his practice of plural marriage. Although she sought for a time to embrace it, Emma struggled mightily with this practice on many levels—to the point that it almost ended their marriage.  In this episode of Church History Matters we discuss each of these three individuals—John C. Bennett, Hyrum, and Emma Smith—and how each factored in to the complexities and troubles of living plural marriage in Nauvoo. For show notes and transcript for this and other episodes go to https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/church-history-matters-podcast/   

Did you know that Joseph Smith's first attempt to obey the Lord's command to him to practice plural marriage ended quite badly and ended up straining his relationships both with his first wife Emma and with his close friend Oliver Cowdery? And have you ever heard that Joseph was sealed to several women who already had living husbands? Was this a scandalous practice, or was something else going on? And have you heard that Joseph was also sealed to Helen Kimball, who was only 14 years old at the time? You might be both surprised and relieved to learn the reason behind this. And have you ever wondered if Joseph had any children with any of his other 35 wives besides Emma? In this episode of Church History Matters we do a deep dive into all of these topics and more as we trace Joseph Smith's creative trial and error approach to personally living the practice of plural marriage, including some innovative uses of the sealing power to accomplish God's will the best he understood it. For show notes and transcript for this and other episodes go to https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/church-history-matters-podcast/   

Plural marriage—a form of religious polygamy (or polygyny to be technical)—is one of the most controversial and faith-challenging aspects of the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It was difficult when it was first introduced in the early Church and, although it was discontinued over 130 years ago, it is still a difficult issue for many both within and outside of the Church to reckon with.  So why was it introduced into the Church in the first place? When did Joseph Smith first learn that this practice would be restored? Why did he delay practicing it? How did he and others who were asked to live it initially respond? And what were the four theological reasons given by the Lord in the Doctrine and Covenants to justify the practice of plural marriage?  In this episode of Church History Matters we explore the best sources to answer these and related questions. And while we know that learning the answers to these questions may not fully remove one's wrestle with this issue, we believe it can sure help. For show notes and transcript for this and other episodes go to https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/church-history-matters-podcast/ 

In this class, we explore some of the reasons that may have contributed to the early saints practicing plural marriage. There is so much we do not know.

If you remember a few weeks back I had an epic conversation with Kimberley Watson Smith where she laid out the scriptures and proved that Celestial Plural Marriage is a divine principle. On this episode of the podcast I have Jacob Vidrine back on the podcast to talk about the history of plural marriage in the restoration, Joseph's revelation on the subject and plural marriage in the Utah period. Jacob's sources and presentation of that history absolutely rock solid and puts to shame the revisionist history that is present today in mormonism. That's next on this episode of the Mormon Renegade Podcast. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

So today on the podcast I have Kimberley Watson Smith back on. Now for those of my listeners that have been with me here from the beginning will remember I had her on the podcast just about a year ago to debunk the movie “Who Killed Joseph Smith?” Well the same folks that are perpetuating that falsehood are now piling on a making the claim that Joseph Smith never introduced or practiced plural marriage. So Kimberly and I have a conversation debunking that idea. Now Kimberly doesn't just debunk the idea that Joseph never taught or practiced plural marriage through historical accounts but she then dives into the scriptures to prove that Celestial Plural Marriage is a true principle. Now I want you to have a pen and paper handy through this podcast because we take a deep dive and you will want to write down a whole bunch of scriptures to go back and read later. Prepare to have your mind blown --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dave-kirkenbower/support

When many people hear about Mormonism, their first thought is polygamy. The mainstream LDS church continues to try to downplay their polygamist roots. But polygamy in LDS offshoots keeps cropping up in the news. How did polygamy get started? Why did they do it? When did it end? Are Mormons polygamists today?Joseph Smith and the Origins of Polygamy Some of early LDS scripture is in response to questions asked JSOne such question: why many OT leaders had more than one wife (as early as 1831)Smith was interested in restoring ancient biblical religionBut without context or hermeneutical discernmentHow many wives? 40 - 49.Some dispute bc documents do not always existFanny Alger (1833) - 16 yr old housemaid living with SmithsPeople closest to Smith (Emma, Oliver Cowdery, Martin Harris) believed it was simply adulteryApparently there was a marriage ceremony; although this may be dubious - based on very late accountsPlural marriage in Nauvoo (1841-1844)Practiced entirely in secrecySmith's wivesTwo under 14Eight were already married to other menSome pairs of sisters / in some cases, mother and daughterMany of these were consummatedKey leaders initiated into the practice → loyalty test / initiation into higher levelAbout 100 people initiated into it before Smith's deathSmith's denials of polygamy - 1835 even became part of LDS scripture for a timeSmith's justification for plural marriageClaims that David's multiple wive and concubines were given to him by GodLots of problems with this claim (see below)But → biblical prophets / kings did not take multiple wives then lie about itBacklash reaction - Nauvoo ExpositorLeaders in Nauvoo began to hear rumors / opposed Smith for this reasonWilliam Law started an opposition newspaper devoted to “exposing” plural marriageOnly one edition → Smith had it destroyed = the reason for his arrest, which led to his deathSee the LDS Church's Gospel Topics Essay on Plural Marriage in Kirtland and NauvooBrigham Young and Utah PolygamyBY was already initiated in plural marriage when took overJ Smith dies - 1844B Young leads exodus to Utah - 1846-47Public announcement of polygamy - 1852Published the written revelation → Section 132 of D&CBrigham Young's polygamy practice51-56 wives / 56 childrenSome lived with him as wives; others were sealed only for eternity; others were married to him as “welfare” cases (older widows)Other prominent practitioners → basically every top leader; Young's successorsPlural marriage as a Utah institutionThose in leadership positions were encouraged / expected to take multiple wivesNever a majority practice: St George: 1870 - 30%; 1880 - 40% South Weber 1880 - 5%Most polygamists had 2 wivesSee the LDS Church's Gospel Topics Essay on Plural Marriage and Families in Early UtahThe End of Polygamy in the LDS ChurchPopular opposition in the US1856 (just after public revelation) = Republican party platform opposed polygamyPressure from the US governmentSeries of US laws from 1862-1874 seeking to undermine / prohibit...

In this episode we discuss the 2012 book "Becoming Sister Wives: The story of an unconventional marriage" written by Kody, Meri, Janelle, Christine and Robyn Brown. In the second part of this book entitled "Sorority" each of the wives talk about their relationships with their sister wives upon joining the family. There are many things in this book that are not revealed on the television show so if you are a hard core Sister Wives fan like us this is worth a listen.

In this episode we discuss the 2012 book "Becoming Sister Wives: The story of an unconventional Marriage" written by Kody, Meri, Janelle, Christine and Robyn Brown. In the first part of this book entitled "Matrimony" Kody and each of his wives recount when they first met, fell and love and married. There are many things in this book that are not revealed on the television show so if you are a hard core Sister Wives fan like us this is worth a listen. After that we discuss paedon Brown's recent 3 hour "interview" on JohnYates' YouTube show where Paedon spills A LOT of Brown family tea.

In this episode we give an update on the shows we've been watching. First we cover the season 3 finale and reunion of Love is Blind. Next we go to Coyote Pass to check on Christine's progress in getting the hell out of Flagstaff, and hopefully taking Janelle with her. Finally, we can't quit the Kardashians so we will have to check in with them too.

This episode continues the adventures of Thomas L. Kane, who left his home in February 1858 and set out for Salt Lake City.  His self-imposed mission was to stop the Utah War.  His plan was, as his wife Elizabeth later wrote, was somewhat hazy:  “Tom's plan was to go in disguise to Utah by way of California, winter though it was, and make his unexpected appearance at Brigham Young's very gates, relying upon his own mental force and Young's knowledge of the sincerity of his goodwill to the Mormons. He actually intended to turn a whole people's will and make them ask for peace in the hour of their triumph.”  But before he could get to Brigham Young's gates, he first had to pass through the towns of Los Angeles and San Bernadino. At the time, both these towns were hornet nests of anti-Mormon frenzy.  On this episode, we recount:  o  How Thomas Kane assumed the identity of "Doctor Osborne," and came up with a cover story about needing to get to Utah to collect specimens of western flora. We recount how (somewhat ham-fisted) effort at undercover work.       o  Just how dangerous Los Angeles and San Bernadino were for Latter-day Saints in 1857 - 1858.  For background, we recount the (mis)adventures of William Wall, who passed through San Bernadino on his way home to Provo from a mission to Australia.  He was pursued by a lynch mob, but managed to evade them twice. But he had a final confrontation as he prepared to leave the City.  We recount how, as William Wall was surrounded, he bore a "powerful testimony of the Gospel."  Then, he bore a different kind of testimony with what he called a "splendid double-barreled shotgun" and a "good Bowie knife," impressing upon the mob that some of them would die along with him.     o The Vigilance Committee of San Bernadino's efforts to hunt the mysterious "Doctor Osborne."    o How Kane saved from the violence of the Vigilance Committee by Frances Swan Clark and Colonel Alden Jackson.  To learn more about the stories in this episode, please check out these (excellent!) sources:     o  Ardis A. Parshall, "Frances Swan Clark: A Kindness Remembered," essay posted 18 May 2008 and last visited on 6 November 2022, http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/18/frances-swan-clark-a-kindness-remembered-redux/.  I came across Parshall's essay in MacKinnon, At Sword's Point, Part 2 Chapter 7, n. 34, so thanks to both Parshall and MacKinnon!   o For the materials and sources in this story, we owe a special thanks to Utah War historian William "Bill" MacKinnon - His two-volume set, "At Sword's Point: A Documentary History of the Utah War to 1858" is an extraordinary resource for anyone interested in learning more about the Utah War. It is available on Amazon and Google Books.  Search Terms: Frances Swan (Kimball Clark) Clark, Winter Quarters, Thomas L. Kane, Patrick Kane, Utah War, Albert Sidney Johnston, "Doctor Osborne," George Clark, William Wall, William Pickett, Elizabeth Kane, James Buchanan, Brigham Young, Ebenezer Hanks, Los Angeles, San Bernadino, Mississippi River, Mormon Pioneers, Plural Marriage, Polygamy, Secret Identity, Vigilance Committee, Lynch Mobs, Old West, Colonel Alden Jackson,         

Join Mike (LDS Discussions), Elisha, and John as they look at the techniques of influence that Joseph Smith used to propose to his plural wives. Special Guest: Elisha Lee Faith Unraveled Tiktok (Faith Transition Focused) Soul Unraveled Tiktok (Personal Journey Focused) LDS Discussion Essay on Joseph's Plural Marriage Proposals Episode Show Notes ========================= LDS Discussions is made possible by generous donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donation through Donorbox Support us on Patreon Pick “Mormon Stories” as your charity on Amazon Smile or through the Amazon App LDS Discussions Platforms: LDS Discussions Website LDS Discussions Playlist on YouTube Contact LDS Discussions: Twitter: @ldsdicussions Facebook: @ldsdiscussion Insta: @ldsdiscussions Email: ldsdiscussions@gmail.com Contact us: MormonStories@gmail.com Mormon Stories Podcast PO Box 171085 Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Social Media: Insta: @mormstories Tiktok: @mormonstoriespodcast Join the Discord --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/lds-discussions/message

Join Mike (LDS Discussions), Elisha, and John as they continue in Part 2 to look at the techniques of influence that Joseph Smith used to propose to his plural wives. LDS Discussion Essay on Polygamy Special Guest: Elisha Lee Faith Unraveled Tiktok (Faith Transition Focused) Soul Unraveled Tiktok (Personal Journey Focused) LDS Discussions is made possible by generous donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donation through Donorbox Support us on Patreon Pick “Mormon Stories” as your charity on Amazon Smile or through the Amazon App LDS Discussions Platforms: LDS Discussions Website LDS Discussions on Anchor LDS Discussions on Spotify LDS Discussions Playlist on YouTube Contact LDS Discussions: Twitter: @ldsdicussions Facebook: @ldsdiscussion Insta: @ldsdiscussions Email: ldsdiscussions@gmail.com Contact us: MormonStories@gmail.com Mormon Stories Podcast PO Box 171085 Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Social Media: Insta: @mormstories Tiktok: @mormonstoriespodcast Join the Discord

Join Mike (LDS Discussions), Elisha, and John as they look at the techniques of influence that Joseph Smith used to propose to his plural wives. Special Guest: Elisha Lee Faith Unraveled Tiktok (Faith Transition Focused) Soul Unraveled Tiktok (Personal Journey Focused) LDS Discussion Essay on Joseph Smith's Plural Marriage Proposals Episode Show Notes ========================= LDS Discussions is made possible by generous donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donation through Donorbox Support us on Patreon Pick “Mormon Stories” as your charity on Amazon Smile or through the Amazon App LDS Discussions Platforms: LDS Discussions Website LDS Discussions Playlist on YouTube Contact LDS Discussions: Twitter: @ldsdicussions Facebook: @ldsdiscussion Insta: @ldsdiscussions Email: ldsdiscussions@gmail.com Contact us: MormonStories@gmail.com Mormon Stories Podcast PO Box 171085 Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Social Media: Insta: @mormstories Tiktok: @mormonstoriespodcast Join the Discord --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/lds-discussions/message

Join Mike (LDS Discussions), Elisha, and John as they look at the techniques of influence that Joseph Smith used to propose to his plural wives. LDS Discussion Essay on Polygamy Special Guest: Elisha Lee Faith Unraveled Tiktok (Faith Transition Focused) Soul Unraveled Tiktok (Personal Journey Focused) LDS Discussions is made possible by generous donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donation through Donorbox Support us on Patreon Pick “Mormon Stories” as your charity on Amazon Smile or through the Amazon App LDS Discussions Platforms: LDS Discussions Website LDS Discussions on Anchor LDS Discussions on Spotify LDS Discussions Playlist on YouTube Contact LDS Discussions: Twitter: @ldsdicussions Facebook: @ldsdiscussion Insta: @ldsdiscussions Email: ldsdiscussions@gmail.com Contact us: MormonStories@gmail.com Mormon Stories Podcast PO Box 171085 Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Social Media: Insta: @mormstories Tiktok: @mormonstoriespodcast Join the Discord

Before Lot Smith's raid on the Wagon Supplies, conventional wisdom in the Government and the Nation seemed to be that talk of the Latter-day Saints actually resisting the Army was just that – Talk.   But when news of the raid finally reached the states, it was shocking. Overnight, Johnston's Army lost roughly half its supplies for the campaign. Johnston and his troops would spend a hungry, freezing winter on half-rations in the ashes of what had once been Fort Bridger – which also had been burned by the Nauvoo Legion to deny shelter to Johnston's troops.        But Lot Smith's raid sparked a dangerous escalation of the conflict.  A Grand Jury hastily handed down indictments for treason against Church Leaders, raising the grim prospect of death by hanging.  Army leaders -- Johnston, McClellan, William T. Sherman, Harney -- all longed for a pitched battle against the Mormons.  Latter-day Saints faced danger and new threats from the north (with native tribes turning against them), from the south (with the intrepid Captain Randolph Marcy on the verge of finding a way through Utah's arid red rock desert), and from the west (as California's clamored to raise a force to attack Utah and avenge the murders of the Baker-Francher Wagon Company at Mountain Meadows).    On this episode, we explore what easily could have been the most precarious and dangerous moment the Latter-day Saints have ever faced. For the materials and sources in this story, we owe a special thanks to Utah War historian William "Bill" MacKinnon - His two-volume set, "At Sword's Point: A Documentary History of the Utah War to 1858" is an extraordinary resource for anyone interested in learning more about the Utah War.    Search Terms: Utah War, William McClellan, "Little Mac", William Tecumseh Sherman, Albert Sidney Johnston, William Selby "Squaw Killer" Harney, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Poerter Rockwell, Civil War, Mormon History, Latter-day Saints, Utah Territory, Polygamy, Plural Marriage, U.S. Army,  Fort Bridger, Lot Smith, Salt Lake City, 2LT James Henry Martineau, George Watts, Echo Canyon, Albert Sidney Johnston, Brigham Young, Charlie Becker, James Ferguson,  Wild Bill Hickman, Nauvoo Legion, International Latter-day Saints, Immigration, Prisoners, Law of War, Law of Armed Conflict, Russia, British Empire, Alaska, British Colombia.

Part 1 of 2 - In the 1890s the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, often referred to as The Mormons, experienced a sharp division. Wilford Woodruff, the prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, declared the the church would no longer support the practice of polygamy. In this episode we covered the history of Mormonism, describe the fallout from this decision over polygamy, and discuss a little bit about life for the FLDS members before Warren Jeffs became the prophet.Sources: FLDS are not Mormons from fldsmormons.comTimeline: The Early History of the Mormons from PBS Comparison Chart — Mormonism and Christianity from North American Mission BoardMormons: Pioneers from the BBC The Manifesto and the End of Plural Marriage from The Church Jesus Christ of Latter-Day SaintsA Look at Fundamentalist Mormonism from Mormonism Research MinistryA primer on the abusive FLDS church, from its self-proclaimed prophet to forced underage polygamy from Salon Short Creek's Long Legacy from SlateSplinter Group: Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) from Mormonism Research MinistryWarren Jeffs Today: How the Polygamist Leads His Fundamentalist Mormon Sect from Prison from A&EWho Is Warren Jeffs And How Did He Become The Leader Of The FLDS? from Oxygen

In the 1920s, an elderly and well-respected Oregon Rancher, Charlie Becker, prepared a sketch of his adventurous life, the places he had seen, the adventures he had lived, and the hardships he had overcome. He also disclosed that, as a young man, he had served as a Civilian Teamster accompanying Johnston's Army during the Utah War.  In an unguarded moment, he allowed himself to be captured by a Latter-day Saint Raiding party. He would spend the next months a prisoner in the Utah Territory, where he would be one of the few outsiders to see up close the lives of the Latter-day Saints in their mountain home.  On this episode, we will explore the story of Charlie Becker, a prisoner of the Utah War. This episode covers:- How Charlie Becker was captured by a Mormon raiding party; - His interrogation by Lieutenant General Daniel H. Wells and the General Staff, including the hot-tempered Irishman, Adjutant General James Ferguson;- How Daniel Wells quickly stomped out James Ferguson's suggestion that they find ways of "forcing" Becker to disclose more intelligence ("Tut! Tut! None of that, Mr. Ferguson!");- How Charles Decker brought Charlie Becker to his house, where he met two of Decker's Wives: Lena Young Decker (the daughter of Brigham Young) and  Margaret Jane Maxfield Decker and how, to his shock, the two women "[got] along splendidly, like an older and younger sister."   - How he was confined, with other prisoners, in Salt Lake City during a Christmas celebration, and how the prisoners and the good-natured Danish guard decided to celebrate  with a rousing game of "Blind Man's Bluff" -- and made so much racket they inadvertently summoned the notorious killer, Wild Bill Hickman, who promptly arrested the guards and replaced them with "a monstrous, surely Swede."  - How he was released and returned to COL Albert Sidney Johnston, where he reported how the Mormon people had treated him with great kindness (especially the Decker family, whom he describes as "a most lovable Mormon family").  For the materials and sources in this story, we owe a special thanks to Utah War historian William "Bill" MacKinnon - His two-volume set, "At Sword's Point: A Documentary History of the Utah War to 1858" is an extraordinary resource for anyone interested in learning more about the Utah War.    See also Rebecca  Bartholomew & Leonard J. Arrington, Rescue of the 1856 Handcart Companies (1992).Search Terms: Utah War, Mormon History, Latter-day Saints, Utah Territory, Polygamy, Plural Marriage, U.S. Army,  Fort Bridger, Lot Smith, Salt Lake City, Echo Canyon, Albert Sidney Johnston, Brigham Young, Charlie Becker, James Ferguson, Charles Decker, Lena Young Decker, Wild Bill Hickman, Nauvoo Legion, Court-Martial,  Margaret Jane Maxfield Decker, International Latter-day Saints, Immigration, Prisoners, Law of War, Law of Armed Conflict   

How did the women of the early Church deal with plural marriage? How do we reconcile ourselves to this practice of that time? The post Witnesses of the Book of Mormon — Insights Episode 14: Plural Marriage – Part 2 first appeared on The Interpreter Foundation.

What do we know about the practice of plural marriage in the early Church? Who was Fanny Alger? The post Witnesses of the Book of Mormon — Insights Episode 13: Plural Marriage – Part 1 first appeared on The Interpreter Foundation.

Abstract: When Eliza R. Snow agreed to become one of Joseph Smith's plural wives, she feared she would never be looked upon as a decent woman. Nevertheless, she accepted Joseph Smith's proposal and eventually became a strong advocate of the practice. Reading about her understanding of plural marriage and the many testimonies of others who […] The post Plural Marriage: Beauty for Ashes first appeared on The Interpreter Foundation.

Abstract: When Eliza R. Snow agreed to become one of Joseph Smith's plural wives, she feared she would never be looked upon as a decent woman. Nevertheless, she accepted Joseph Smith's proposal and eventually became a strong advocate of the practice. Reading about her understanding of plural marriage and the many testimonies of others who […] The post Plural Marriage: Beauty for Ashes first appeared on The Interpreter Foundation.

In this week's episodes, we discuss the Netflix documentary series Keep Sweet: Pray & Obey about the polygamous (or Plural Marriage as they would call it) Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS), which Wikipedia refers to as "a radical offshoot of mainstream Mormonism" and its current leader Warren S. Jeffs. We discuss the function of fear and power in high control groups and how women and children are subjugated and objectified within these groups while also being necessary to sustain them. Trigger Warning: references are made to underage and marital rape. It's a heavy discussion but it's an important. We encourage you to listen to the end and be inspired by the words of 16th Century Poet Aemelia Lanyer, who was the first woman to assert herself as a professional poet. Humblux - S.H.E. Cali Greens - Artillery (Extended Clip) 8, 14, and 18 --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/assume-it-will-be-brillant/support

On this episode I have on Michael Ness. Michael was raised in the LDS Church in a devout traditional LDS home. After serving an LDS Mission Michael became a Mormon Fundamentalist. On this episode we cover Michaels backstory then talk about some of the deeper doctrines & ordinances with in Mormonism and how they bind us to Christ. We cover doctrines such as Adam-God, Plural Marriage, the Endowment, & Priesthood.  --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/dave-kirkenbower/support

Life in the valley of the Great Salt Lake was rough. From weed soup, cold winters, and the new life. 1857 was a year of turmoil and invasion in the territory of Utah. Thompsonian botanical Doctor Priddy Meeks recounts from his journal, how he treated one of the “invaders” for frostbite that had consumed both feet several inches above the ankles. He only lost 5 toenails in the ordeal. This unheard of treatment for frostbite is a miracle still today.CHARACTERS President James Knox PolkDoctor Priddy MeeksSarah MahurinJedediah M. GrantJoseph B. NobleGeneral Winfield Scott (Old fuss & feathers)Mormon ImmigrantsDoctor William A MorseWillard RichardsPhinehas RichardsSociety of HealthCouncil of HealthDoctor CannonDeseret NewsArza Orson AdamsThomas BullockSamual HamiltonEdward DaltonGovernor Brigham YoungPresident Brigham YoungTerritorial Governor of UtahReed SmootSenator Julius C. BurrowsSenator Boies PenrosePresident BuchananJohnston's ArmyWilliam P. MacKinnonMary Jane McCleve MeeksJoseph SmithHyrum SmithJoseph MeeksMargaret Jane MeeksJames McCannAfricaCaliforniaSamual ThompsonLOCATIONSTexasOregonValley of the Great Salt LakeLouisiana PurchaseMissouriCentralist Republic of MexicoCentral AmericaMexico CityHall of MontezumaVera CruzMexicoUnited StatesTerritory of UtahBountiful, UtahProvo, UtahManti, UtahSan Bernadino, CaliforniaOgden, UtahLittle Salt Lake ValleyParowan ValleyGreat Salt Lake CityCenter Creek, UtahParagonah, UtahIllinoisRed Creek, UtahLINKSMap https://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/7917165/maps-that-explain-americaMexican American War https://youtu.be/tkdF8pOFUfIhttps://newrepublic.com/article/104239/the-network-mormons-potomac-dc

Hank Hanegraaff, president of the Christian Research Institute and host of the Bible Answer Man broadcast, continues to reflect on the passing of famous individuals—specifically, John Madden and Harry Reid (both died December 28, 2021). Madden might be called the high priest of football. NFL games are highly ritualized and liturgical, and for many people, the NFL has become an object of worship—their idol. Madden, who won a Superbowl in 1976 with the Oakland Raiders and became the face of a videogame empire based on the NFL, was a coaching phenomenon and football's greatest evangelist. But he now has passed from this life into eternity. And then there is Harry Reid, who led the Senate from 2007–2015. The Democrats grumbled about his ban on partial-birth abortion and his opposition to Roe v. Wade—and he was a died-in-the-wool Mormon. Thus, Reid passed from this life believing that “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens” (Joseph Smith). He believed that Jesus Christ is not the self-existent Creator of all things but is, rather, the spirit-brother of Lucifer, conceived in heaven by a celestial Mother and then came in flesh as a result of the Father having sex with the virgin Mary. He believed that “the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion” (Joseph Smith). He held to the four Mormon standard works—the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price. It's worth noting that Doctrine and Covenants is a compilation of divine revelations that includes the doctrine of polygamy. Not until the Mormons were threatened by the federal government did Mormon president Wilford Woodruff receive a revelation relegating polygamy to the afterlife. And Pearl of Great Price is notorious for having been used by Mormonism to prevent those of African heritage from entering the priesthood and from being exalted to godhood. Reid believed that Temple Mormons will make it to the Celestial Heaven, but only those who are sealed in secret Temple rituals will make it to the third level of the Celestial Kingdom and become gods of their own planets. Because of such teachings, and many others, Mormonism has little to do with true Christianity. What is vitally important for all of us to recognize is that there is a true faith—the true faith once for all delivered to the saints (Jude 3). Everything else is a corruption of the true faith. Consider how important it is to be in the true faith, because no one gets out of this world alive. Let us glorify God in all that we think, say, and do. For further study, see Hank Hanegraaff, “Is Jesus Christ the Spirit Brother of Satan?” https://www.equip.org/article/is-jesus-christ-the-spirit-brother-of-satan/; Hank Hanegraaff, “Mormonism And Polygamy,” https://www.equip.org/hank_speaks_out/mormonism-and-polygamy/; Eric Johnson, “Plural Marriage and Joseph Smith: A PR Nightmare in Mormonism,” https://www.equip.org/article/plural-marriage-joseph-smith-pr-nightmare-mormonism/; Bill McKeever, “Unexplaining the Mormon Priesthood Ban on Blacks,” https://www.equip.org/article/unexplaining-mormon-priesthood-ban-blacks/; Eric Johnson, “Mormonism, Afterlife, and Striving after Godhood,” https://www.equip.org/article/mormonism-the-afterlife-and-striving-after-godhood/; Bill McKeever and Eric Johnson, “The Mormon View of Salvation: A Gospel That Is Truly Impossible,” https://www.equip.org/article/mormon-view-salvation-gospel-truly-impossible/. See David Colton, “Hank Aaron, Bob Dole, Cicely Tyson, John Madden: Remembering Notables Who Died in 2021,” USA Today, December 19, 2021 (updated December 31, 2021), https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/19/famous-people-who-died-2021/6496794001/.

The doctrine of eternal marriage is foundational to the purpose of mortality. Perpetuating our marriage and family relationships into eternity is not only something that is possible through faithfulness to sacred covenants with God, but it is something our hearts long for. Even those who are married "until death do you part" tend to feel in their hearts a hope that their family relationships will continue after death. Learn in this episode about not just the act of marriage but the doctrine of eternal marriage.  In this "Come, Follow Me" episode, we also address the early practice of plural marriage by members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This isn't a comprehensive discussion about every facet of the practice, but it does seek to shed light on some answers to common questions about the practice within the context in which it was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith and likely other Old Testament prophets who were also commanded to practice this law.

Kenna & Jess discuss plural marriage within the early years of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints! Sponsorships: Use code: GOSPELGALS 25% off Refill My Soul- Meditation App 15% off Magdalene Scriptures 10% off Elephant_Edge 10% off Salt Light and Color 15% off Painted Scripture --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/gospelgals/support