Podcast appearances and mentions of jo robertson

In this episode of the MamasteFit Podcast, hosts Gina and Roxanne speak with Jo Robertson about the importance of talking to children about sex. Jo shares her extensive background in sex education, offering insight into when and how to introduce the topic to kids, especially in today's digital age. They discuss the benefits of starting these conversations early and how it helps in building confident and knowledgeable children. Jo also emphasizes using anatomically correct terms and the significance of understanding consent and emotional safety. The discussion aims to empower parents to become a soft landing place for their children's curiosity, preventing them from seeking potentially harmful information online. The episode is filled with personal anecdotes, professional advice, and resources for further learning.Find Jo Here! Link to course: ⁠https://courses.jorobertson.org/postpartum⁠ use code MAMASTEFIT for 20% off at checkoutJo's main website: ⁠https://www.jorobertson.org/TrickyChatsParenting.com00:00 Introduction to the MamasteFit Podcast01:05 Introducing Jo Robertson and the Topic of Sex Education02:01 Jo Robertson's Journey in Sex Education04:18 Personal Experiences with Sex Education06:59 The Importance of Early Conversations About Sex09:46 Navigating Conversations About Consent and Boundaries10:37 The Role of Pornography in Modern Sex Education11:14 Practical Tips for Talking to Kids About Sex23:31 Personal Stories and Reflections on Period Education29:18 Understanding the Impact of Periods Beyond Bleeding29:48 Navigating Periods in Different Contexts30:48 Educating Boys About Periods and Puberty32:06 The Importance of Open Conversations About Sex33:42 The Role of Parents in Sex Education35:27 The Influence of the Internet on Sex Education38:06 Addressing Concerns About Early Sex Education45:34 Emotional Risks and Respect in Sexual Relationships51:43 Normalizing Curiosity and Open Communication55:56 Final Thoughts and Resources for Parents——————————Get Your Copy of Training for Two on Amazon: https://amzn.to/3VOTdwH

In this very real, and oh-so-needed conversation, Beth and Lilly sit down with Jo Robertson, renowned Sex and Relationship Therapist, for a deep and honest chat about sex, intimacy, and relationships in early motherhood.Whether you're in the thick of postpartum, navigating the emotional load of motherhood, or simply wondering “where the heck did my libido go?”, this episode is a balm for your heart—and your body. Jo shares powerful insights on:Why libido often vanishes after birthThe truth about desire (hint: you're absolutely not broken)How to reconnect with your partner when you're touched out and time-poorPractical ways to bring intimacy back into your life—on your termsWe asked your questions—and got the answers we all needed to hear. Perfect for new mums, mums-to-be, or any woman feeling disconnected from her sensual self. This is a guilt-free, shame-free zone to feel seen, supported, and inspired to gently reclaim your sexual self—when you're ready.Resources & Links:Jo Robertson's Website – jo-robertson.comJo's Postpartum Course – Postpartum Sex CourseFollow Jo on Instagram – @jorobertson.therapy Have more questions for Jo or want to share your experience? DM us on Instagram @growingthepodcast or leave us a voice note—we'd love to hear from you. Share us with your mum club, bestie or partner so they can join the conversation and leave us a review wherever you choose to listen.

Jo Robertson brings our series on Jesus's Call to Community to an end with a look at how God's people are called to be peacemakers: to resolve conflict rather than perpetuate it or ignore it, and to help bring about the conditions for peace to grow and develop.

Jo Robertson brings our series on Jesus's Call to Community to an end with a look at how God's people are called to be peacemakers: to resolve conflict rather than perpetuate it or ignore it, and to help bring about the conditions for peace to grow and develop.

In this episode of the MamasteFit Podcast, Gina and speaks with Dr. Jo Robertson, a New Zealand-based sex therapist specializing in women's sexual health and postpartum intimacy. The discussion covers strategies for rebuilding intimacy after childbirth, starting with a strong non-sexual connection. Key topics include the 'orange light' approach to intimacy, dealing with guilt and societal pressure, practical tips such as the Three Minute Game, the importance of lubrication, and using vibrators. Dr. Robertson also shares the significance of self-view and body positivity postpartum. The episode highlights the importance of communication with partners and planning 'date nights' at home. Listeners are offered a discount on Dr. Robertson's postpartum sex course.00:00 Introduction to the MamasteFit Podcast01:28 Meet Dr. Jo Robertson: Sex Therapist from New Zealand04:26 Navigating Postpartum Intimacy: Personal Experiences08:40 Understanding Postpartum Sexual Health17:47 Practical Tips for Rebuilding Intimacy22:20 Sponsor Break: Needed Nutrition24:06 Planning Intimacy: Strategies for Busy Parents32:34 Body Image and Confidence Postpartum45:35 Final Thoughts and Recommendations51:26 Conclusion and ResourcesFind Dr. Jo Here!Link to course: https://courses.jorobertson.org/postpartum use code MAMASTEFIT for 20% off at checkoutJo's main website: https://www.jorobertson.org/Recommended Lubricant: Pjur Bodyglide ——————————Get Your Copy of Training for Two on Amazon: https://amzn.to/3VOTdwH

Jo Robertson talks with Kathryn about painful sex in a relationship - the causes, the impact, when to seek help and what treatment looks like.

Advent continues with Jo Robertson heading back to the prophet Jeremiah to see how God's promised king would bring justice

Advent continues with Jo Robertson heading back to the prophet Jeremiah to see how God's promised king would bring justice

Jo Robertson is a therapist, educator and researcher. Earlier this year, she and others presented a petition to parliament - signed by over 10,000 - calling for internet service providers to strengthen filters on all illegal sexual behaviour. This afternoon, she'll appear before a select committee to submit in person. She talks with Susie about legislation changes she wants to see. She also discusses the proposed new law in Australia, to ban social media for under 16-year-olds

Jo Robertson is a therapist, educator and researcher. Earlier this year, she and others presented a petition to parliament - signed by over 10,000 - calling for internet service providers to strengthen filters on all illegal sexual behaviour. This afternoon, she'll appear before a select committee to submit in person. She talks with Susie about legislation changes she wants to see. She also discusses the proposed new law in Australia, to ban social media for under 16-year-olds.

Intimacy in a relationship is about more than just sex - but good intimacy and honest communication can help your relationship avoid any pitfalls in that area as well. This week, Francesca and Louise are joined by sex therapist Jo Robertson to discuss everything you need to know about intimacy, from being honest about sex, to simple things to keep your relationship alive and communicative. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today on the show... If you wee to sit down today and watch all the available porn in NZ today and it would take you 160 odd years. So Holly Brooker and Jo Robertson have, on your behalf and on behalf of our kids, been doing something about it. And have you heard about the Katikati Coffin Club? 400 members, designing coffins. Some have made pool table coffins, others have made boats as coffins. A 10 dollar, one time payment and you get to talk about death and get ready for it… love it! Get in touch with me - duncan@rova.nz and join us on the socials: Website: https://www.rova.nz/home/podcasts/duncan-garner---editor-in-chief.htmlInstagram: @DuncanGarnerpodcastTikTok: @DuncanGarnerpodcast

In this episode of Untidy, Hannah and Matty speak to Jo Robertson, an experienced therapist, specialising in sex and relationships, addiction, betrayal, and trauma. She was also one of the relationship experts on Married at First Sight NZ. Jo joins Untidy for the second episode of a special two-part edition where she answers anonymous audience questions on their own sex and relationship issues and dilemmas.  (Trigger warning: These two episodes cover topics such as sex, porn, betrayal, mention of grooming and historical sexual assault. While there is no graphic detail, please listen with care for yourself and those around you.) In part two Jo covers questions on navigating and recovering from betrayal, keeping secrets, managing tricky relationship dynamics with parents, losing trust, feelings of insecurity over a partner's porn consumption, intrusive thoughts, protecting kids from sexual assault/grooming, what to look for in a future partner, and, what to do if your four-year-old finds your butt plug ...  Groups Jo mentioned in the podcast:  Naked Truth Recovery Side by Side (Auckland-based)  Contact Jo directly if you're looking for something specific and she can point you in the right direction. Book for consent/sexual harm for kids: Only for Me ACC's website for free sexual trauma counselling.  If you want to hear more from Jo, listen to her first episode on Untidy called, ‘Navigating New Sexual Landscapes with Jo Robertson' on your favourite podcast app.  You can find Jo and a lot of resources via her website https://www.jorobertson.org/, and on Instagram @sextherapistjo. You can also sign up for her parenting course @trickychatsparenting by visiting the Tricky Chats Parenting website. If you enjoy this episode of Untidy, please support the show by subscribing in your podcast app and tapping the ‘+ follow' button. That way, you'll never miss an episode. Help us to keep building this supportive community – subscribe, share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a 5-star review. Thank you for listening and supporting our independent production! You're the best! Untidy is made for you – the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess we call parenthood! Follow the show and DM us on Instagram @untidypodcast or email hello@untidypodcast.com. Your stories and ideas to help us shape the show! Find us online at Untidy podcast. Find Matilda at @matootles and get your copy of The Feel Good Guide. Find Hannah at @hannahedavison and her My Big Moments children's books at @mybigmoments. Enter code UNTIDY at checkout for 10% off your order.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of Untidy, Hannah and Matty speak to Jo Robertson, an experienced therapist, specialising in sex and relationships, addiction, betrayal, and trauma. She was also one of the relationship experts on Married at First Sight NZ. Jo joins Untidy for a special two-part edition where she answers anonymous audience questions on their own sex and relationship issues and dilemmas.  (Trigger warning: These two episodes cover topics such as sex, porn, betrayal, mention of grooming and historical sexual assault. While there is no graphic detail, please listen with care for yourself and those around you.) In part one Jo covers questions on educating kids about sex, managing boundaries, mismatched desires, rejection, low libido, reigniting the spark, and how to prioritise your relationship with a young family.  Stand by for part two ... If you want to hear more from Jo, listen to her first episode on Untidy called, ‘Navigating New Sexual Landscapes with Jo Robertson' on your favourite podcast app.  You can find Jo and a lot of resources via her website https://www.jorobertson.org/, and on Instagram @sextherapistjo. You can also sign up for her parenting course @trickychatsparenting by visiting the Tricky Chats Parenting website. Books mentioned in the podcast:The Amazing True Story of How Babies are MadeWhat Makes a Baby If you enjoy this episode of Untidy, please support the show by subscribing in your podcast app and tapping the ‘+ follow' button. That way, you'll never miss an episode. Help us to keep building this supportive community – subscribe, share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a 5-star review. Thank you for listening and supporting our independent production! You're the best! Untidy is made for you – the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess we call parenthood! Follow the show and DM us on Instagram @untidypodcast or email hello@untidypodcast.com. Your stories and ideas to help us shape the show! Find us online at Untidy podcast. Find Matilda at @matootles and get your copy of The Feel Good Guide. Find Hannah at @hannahedavison and her My Big Moments children's books at @mybigmoments. Enter code UNTIDY at checkout for 10% off your order.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What is God like? Where should we look to see God? Jo Robertson points us in the direction of Jesus, the incarnate Son, and shows us why and how Jesus is the full embodiment of God.

What is God like? Where should we look to see God? Jo Robertson points us in the direction of Jesus, the incarnate Son, and shows us why and how Jesus is the full embodiment of God.

Auckland therapist Jo Robertson talks to Paddy about the common key components that lead to couples calling it quits.

Jo Robertson begins a 2-week mini-series on the book of Habakkuk, as we take the time to ask where is God when times get tough? How are we supposed to response to injustice when it seems like God is silent?

Jo Robertson begins a 2-week mini-series on the book of Habakkuk, as we take the time to ask where is God when times get tough? How are we supposed to response to injustice when it seems like God is silent?

One expert says there's a conversation to be had off the back of a proposed ban on g-string bikinis. A Taranaki mother is calling for the 'pornographic' swimwear to be barred from public pools and drew over 150 signatures in a petition.   Sex and Relationship expert Jo Robertson says regardless of the outcome, it's a great conversation starter. "What do we do when our kids are seeing stuff that, maybe, we don't like? And we're all going to have different ideas about what we do and don't want our kids to see." LISTEN ABOVE  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Auckland therapist Jo Robertson talks about the key components to listening well and how important that is in a relationship.

On the show today Minister of internal affairs, Brooke Van Velden, joins us. A recent win for child exploitation and the removal of child porn on NZ sites, but job cuts are still expected in this sector...can the minister assure the public that they actually take child exploitation seriously, then? Holly Brooker and Jo Robertson launched the ‘makes sense' campaign,  which called on the government to regulate not only things like child pornography … but all violent sexual content online.  So is this move going to make a difference? The Tania Dalton Foundation is preparing for a significant fundraising event, where they will host the Parliamentary Rugby team and the Polyferns (Netball), aiming to create a family-friendly social event that unites the community. Local residents will have the opportunity to mingle with our national MPs in a lighthearted atmosphere, all while raising funds to support Tania's charity foundation. This foundation strives to make a meaningful impact on the lives of young New Zealanders See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On the show today: Our young men have a porn problem, and it's leading to serious, horrific crimes. Ruth Money, victims advocate, joins us to talk the hard truths about what is going on in our society. It is chilling. And we need our dads to step up. Face it. Jo Robertson joins us to provide a solution to our porn problem. How does it effect our young men? How do we step up as parents in this space? How early do we talk to our kids about sex? Brad Olsen live from Fieldays on the economic reality for farmers. Enjoy folks - We are live again tomorrow from 7.30am on YouTube, Twitch, and Tik Tok. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Quiet Vacationing  Top 6: Signs NZ is in Bad Shape  Silly Little Poll!  Vaughans Commute  Final Rankings!  John Aiken & Jo Robertson from MAFS NZ *ding*  Fletch's Hot Technique  Fact of the Day Day Day Day Daaaaay!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today we are joined in studio by John Aiken & Jo Robertson ahead of season 4 of Married At First Sight NZ.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Auckland based sex therapist Jo Robertson looks at the dating landscape, particularly after a break-up or divorce. Jo says at least 40 percent of new marriages include someone who has been divorced. She talks about what is worth considering when you are dipping your toes back in the dating pool.

What does the resurrection mean for us? What does it change? Jo Robertson looks at the transformation the resurrection brings to people and communities, and the living hope we are to have in Jesus and his promises.

What does the resurrection mean for us? What does it change? Jo Robertson looks at the transformation the resurrection brings to people and communities, and the living hope we are to have in Jesus and his promises.

Telecommunications giant and internet service provider Spark is set to introduce more firewalls, filters, barriers and protections to protect Kiwi users. From April, Spark will be the first New Zealand-based provider to join the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) in order to reduce exposure to malware, scams and sexual abuse material. Make Sense co-founder Jo Robertson says Spark will go from blocking a few hundred URLs to blocking at least 6,000 objectionable links per day.  "What they're doing is- they're essentially removing so much more child sexual abuse material from their platform than other internet providers." LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Relationships therapist Jo Robertson has some tips on how to thrash things out when you disagree. She'll traverse some of the traps people fall into and the strategies to help ease tension.

Jo Robertson asks what having and showing grace for each other looks like in a world where people, followers of Jesus included, often don't - or perhaps even can't - agree with each other.

Jo Robertson asks what having and showing grace for each other looks like in a world where people, followers of Jesus included, often don't - or perhaps even can't - agree with each other.

It's that time of year families coming together to celebrate, but spending more time together can also bring its own stressors. Relationship therapist Jo Robertson has some tips for avoiding conflict, and for navigating potential flashpoints.

Jo Robertson begins our Advent series by jumping forward to look at John the Baptist's call for repentance and justice, and asks what preparing the way for Jesus might mean for us in the way in which we live and how we celebrate Christmas.

Jo Robertson begins our Advent series by jumping forward to look at John the Baptist's call for repentance and justice, and asks what preparing the way for Jesus might mean for us in the way in which we live and how we celebrate Christmas.

Sextortion, kids being groomed online, nudes being sent around kids, who should be blamed for that? Sex therapist Jo Robertson has advice about how to have those tricky chats with children and teens.

Sextortion, kids being groomed online, nudes being sent around kids, who should be blamed for that? Sex therapist Jo Robertson has advice about how to have those tricky chats with children and teens.

The online world is a wild west, where our children are exposed to unspeakable acts of depravity. From real rape scenes to animal bestiality, the online content accessible to our youngsters is a ticking time bomb. We're going to strip this issue bare, question why protective measures are not in place, and call out the lack of governmental action. We're pushing for effective blocks, barriers, and firewalls to shield our children from this horror show. Holly Brooker and Jo Robertson are the women behind the Makes Sense campaign. The campaign is advocating for child protection from illegal violent sexual content by improving filters, expanding 'block lists' and being proactive around helping those in need and those in danger. We invite you, our listeners, to be our allies, asking you to contribute to the conversation and advocate for change. It's time to protect our future generations. Are you with us? Visit https://www.makessense.org.nz/ for more information on how you can make a real difference.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In Episode 22 of The Road to Wisdom Podcast, Chloe and Keshia engage in a profound and candid discussion with Jo Robertson, a renowned expert in the fields of and Relationship Therapy, Betrayal and Trauma Specialization, and Sexual Health Consultation. In this chat, we delve into Jo's significant body of work pertaining to the exposure of young individuals to pornography. Confronting this issue head-on and shedding light on the alarming ease with which today's youth encounter explicit content, the prevalence of aggressive and detrimental material on freely accessible online platforms, the resulting impact on young people, and the potential challenges they may encounter due to such exposure. As parents, we approach this conversation with genuine curiosity and a sincere desire to learn how to effectively communicate with our children about the likelihood of them encountering pornography. We seek insights on how to provide our young adults with a comprehensive and trustworthy framework for discussing sexuality within the confines of our homes for years to come. This dialogue is not only eye-opening but also, at times, astonishing, making it an imperative listen for parents who wish to stay informed and engaged in their children's lives. Additionally, Jo's compelling TEDx talk on this subject can be found here for further exploration: https://www.tedxchristchurch.com/jo-robertson Jo can be found via her website: https://www.jorobertson.org/ and social media: @sextherapistjo Loved what you heard in this episode? Your support means the world. Make sure to hit that subscribe button, spread the word with your pals, and drop us a review. By doing so, you're not just tuning in – you're fueling our community's growth and paving the way for more incredible guests to grace our show. As the week rolls by, we're already cooking up more tantalizing content for your hungry ears. Keen to stay in the loop with the latest episode releases? Follow our journey on Instagram at @theroadtowisdom.podcast and catch behind-the-scenes action on our YouTube channel @theroadtowisdompodcast. Don't miss out on a thing – also, snag the freshest updates straight to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter over at ⁠⁠https://www.theroadtowisdompodcast.com/⁠⁠. It's your VIP ticket to all things The Road To Wisdom

Sex therapist Jo Robertson discusses a form of betrayal which can leave people conflicted over how they should feel. Digital betrayal and infidelity can range from your partner looking at content they shouldn't online, to messaging other people.

After a betrayal, the relationship is only worth working on if the person who caused the harm shows they're willing to learn and grow, says sex therapist Jo Robertson.

Sex therapist Jo Robertson on navigating the porn talk with neuro-divergent children, rainbow kids and children with disabilities. Jo is the Research and Training Lead for The Light Project, a charitable trust researching media influences on youth sexual culture and how to have positive conversations about it.

Ok while we're not about to solve the problems of the world here, there are some questions about blonde hair we can answer!So, what does it mean to be a blonde? While your first thought might be a white/platinum blonde all over or a half head of highlights, what does this mean for our ombre, balayage and grey-haired friends? Are they missing out on all the “fun” blondes keep talking about? At ELEVEN Australia HQ we've taken an in-depth (and entertaining) look at the same baffling blonde questions. Together with our hair colour expert friends Rachel Vitullo & Jo Robertson, we'll demystify and help you navigate your way through these tonal technicalities. 

Jo Robertson is a qualified sex therapist who has completed her Master of Science in Medicine, with a focus on international consumption rates and impacts of porn on adolescents. Jo has trained health professionals, sexual health and sexual harm services, Police and Corrections staff and school communities on research based porn industry insights, the impacts on young people and navigating healthy conversations around porn. Her TEDx talk "Why We Need To Talk About Porn" in 2019 amassed almost 300k views and she regularly speaks on the topic of “youth and porn”. In this conversation with Sathiya, they discuss: -Why the man is so influential in helping his wife/partner heal from betrayal trauma -The reason the porn industry targets children as part of their marketing strategy -The interplay of current events and mainstream porn content -Why filters will never be enough to help kids develop sexually -The importance of teaching kids how to think critically about sex -The improvements of ethical porn and why it has strengths -The downside of ethical porn and why it is still an issue -Jo's predictions on how the porn industry changes over the next 20 years Work With Jo Follow Jo on Instagram Resources For Youth Follow Sathiya on Instagram Book A Time With Sathiya's Team

Jo Robertson is a qualified sex therapist who has completed her Master of Science in Medicine, with a focus on international consumption rates and impacts of porn on adolescents. Jo has trained health professionals, sexual health and sexual harm services, Police and Corrections staff and school communities on research based porn industry insights, the impacts on young people and navigating healthy conversations around porn. Her TEDx talk "Why We Need To Talk About Porn" in 2019 amassed almost 300k views and she regularly speaks on the topic of “youth and porn”. In this conversation with Sathiya, they discuss: -Why the man is so influential in helping his wife/partner heal from betrayal trauma -The reason the porn industry targets children as part of their marketing strategy -The interplay of current events and mainstream porn content -Why filters will never be enough to help kids develop sexually -The importance of teaching kids how to think critically about sex -The improvements of ethical porn and why it has strengths -The downside of ethical porn and why it is still an issue -Jo's predictions on how the porn industry changes over the next 20 years Work With Jo Follow Jo on Instagram Resources For Youth Follow Sathiya on Instagram Book A Time With Sathiya's Team

The average Kiwi child first encounters internet porn at 12. To prevent the unsafe and unrealistic sex depicted in porn from being normalised for a child, therapist Jo Robertson recommends parents offer contrasting information a couple of years beforehand.

The average Kiwi child first encounters internet porn at 12. To prevent the unsafe and unrealistic sex depicted in porn from being normalised for a child, therapist Jo Robertson recommends parents offer contrasting information a couple of years beforehand.

Jo Robertson is a qualified sex therapist who has completed her Master of Science in Medicine, with a focus on international consumption rates and impacts of porn on adolescents. Jo has trained health professionals, sexual health and sexual harm services, Police and Corrections staff and school communities on research based porn industry insights, the impacts on young people and navigating healthy conversations around porn. Her TEDx talk ""Why We Need To Talk Aout Porn"" in 2019 amassed almost 300k views and she regularly speaks  on the topic of “youth and porn” In this conversation with Sathiya, they discuss: -Why the man is so influential in helping his wife/partner heal from betrayal trauma -The reason the porn industry targets children as part of their marketing strategy -The interplay of current events and mainstream porn content -Why filters will never be enough to help kids develop sexually -The importance of teaching kids how to think critically about sex -The improvements of ethical porn and why it has strengths -The downside of ethical porn and why it is still an issue -Jo's predictions on how the porn industry changes over the next 20 years Work With Jo Follow Jo on Instagram Resources For Youth   Follow Sathiya on Instagram Book A Time With Sathiya's Team

Jo Robertson is a qualified sex therapist who has completed her Master of Science in Medicine, with a focus on international consumption rates and impacts of porn on adolescents. Jo has trained health professionals, sexual health and sexual harm services, Police and Corrections staff and school communities on research based porn industry insights, the impacts on young people and navigating healthy conversations around porn. Her TEDx talk ""Why We Need To Talk About Porn"" in 2019 amassed almost 300k views and she regularly speaks on the topic of “youth and porn” In this conversation with Sathiya, they discuss: -Why the man is so influential in helping his wife/partner heal from betrayal trauma -The reason the porn industry targets children as part of their marketing strategy -The interplay of current events and mainstream porn content -Why filters will never be enough to help kids develop sexually -The importance of teaching kids how to think critically about sex -The improvements of ethical porn and why it has strengths -The downside of ethical porn and why it is still an issue -Jo's predictions on how the porn industry changes over the next 20 years Work With Jo Follow Jo on Instagram Resources For Youth Follow Sathiya on Instagram Book A Time With Sathiya's Team

Couples struggling with their intimate connection can benefit from "taking intercourse off the table" for up to two months, says sex therapist Jo Robertson.