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Send us Fan MailAfter we wrapped my conversation with Joe DeLoss, we kept talking.What started as a conversation about marriage turned into something much bigger: masculinity, ego, service, leadership, and why so many men seem to be struggling to find their footing right now.Joe shares his perspective on the version of masculinity that's being celebrated online, why he thinks it's missing the mark, and what he's learned through building businesses, navigating marriage, raising daughters, and doing the ongoing work of understanding himself.We talk about strength, vulnerability, accountability, and the difference between chasing trophies and becoming the kind of person your family, community, and relationships can actually count on.It's a short conversation, but one that felt too important to leave on the cutting room floor.If you enjoyed my full conversation with Joe, consider this the bonus chapter.
Send us Fan MailJoe DeLoss is best known as the founder of Hot Chicken Takeover, one of Columbus's most recognizable restaurant stories. But this conversation is not really about chicken.Joe talks with Keri about the rise of Hot Chicken Takeover, the ego that came with it, the people impacted by his leadership, and the personal reckoning that followed. He is honest about marriage, fatherhood, masculinity, ambition, and the uncomfortable reality that success does not automatically make you whole.Now, Joe lives in Mount Vernon and is building Baker Road, a hospitality and retreat concept rooted in nature, adventure, discomfort, and real human connection. Think less corporate retreat, more walking into the woods and remembering you are still a person.This conversation moves from Columbus entrepreneurship to 100-mile runs, natural burials, leadership, vultures, marriage, and what the next chapter of Joe's work looks like.At its heart, this conversation is about what happens when success forces you to face yourself. Joe's story is a reminder that growth isn't always glamorous. Sometimes, the real work begins after the big win, when you have to decide who you want to become next.
Whether you're a leader feeling isolated, someone longing for deeper community, or just looking for a fresh perspective on personal growth, this episode is all about finding meaning, creating space for change, and, as Joe DeLoss puts it, “hiking to the beginning” again and again.Welcome to the Spirit of EQ podcast! I'm Eric Pennington, your host, and in this episode, I'm joined by Joe DeLoss—an entrepreneur many of you might know from Hot Chicken Takeover, but today he's here to share something entirely new and deeply personal: Baker Road.As Joe DeLoss and I talk, you'll hear how he's moved beyond just building businesses to cultivating a mission-driven community space that reconnects people with themselves and with nature.Baker Road isn't about productivity for its own sake, but about creating restorative spaces where individuals and teams can find clarity, stillness, and genuine connection—something we all need in our fast-paced, achievement-focused world.In this conversation, Joe DeLoss opens up about what drew him to this work—a journey that started with a rite of passage experience for a friend's son and grew into a vision for transformative retreats.We also explore why so many of us feel nature is out of reach, how slowing down can spark huge personal breakthroughs, and why cultivating safe, authentic spaces—especially for men—matters so much right now.Join us for a thoughtful, honest dialogue about what it takes to get back to ourselves and each other.Joe DeLoss is a serial entrepreneur and servant leader focused on building transformational experiences and businesses for the betterment of everyone involved.He's best known for a Midwest restaurant chain he built and exited called Hot Chicken Takeover. The business gave Joe the privilege of leading nearly 1,000 people impacted by adversity, ranging from incarceration to addiction to bouts of homelessness.HCT earned critical acclaim as a break-out brand in the industry and garnered national attention, enabling Joe to encourage and coach countless other entrepreneurs and leaders towards impact. He continues this legacy of HR innovation through a fractional culture practice he co-founded called HRT Systems.Currently, Joe's pulling a new thread of personal and professional development by launching Baker Road, a retreat center andguide-service based in rural Ohio. Baker Road offers venues and experiences for individuals, teams, and leaders to truly retreat, allowing them to re-enter life and business from refreshed vantage points. From backcountry experiences to boardrooms, Joe is demonstrating the transformational power of hospitality, wildness, and grounded support.Joe's work been highlighted by The Today Show, Forbes, Harvard Business School, Politico, The Rachael Ray Show and manyothers. He lives adventurously and abundantly on a farm in Knox County, Ohio with his wife and two wild daughters. When not serving as a “dirtbag concierge” to Baker Road guests, he spends time training for endurance races, advising entrepreneurs, and dreaming up new adventures.Moments00:00 "Crafting Transformative Experiences"07:56 "Noticing the Overlooked"12:03 "Nature, Rest, and Clarity"16:34 Facing Fear Brings Clarity22:28 "Designing Transformative Retreat Experiences"26:39 "Finding Growth Through Letting Go"34:59 "Redefining Masculinity Through Vulnerability"38:21 "Presence and Overcoming Small Burdens"45:29 "Fostering Growth Without Destination"49:34 "Unspoken Truths in Relationships"58:18 "Guides, Not Gurus"01:02:30 "Guide, Not Guru: Your Path"01:04:47 "Gratitude and Future Talks"3 key takeaways you can apply to your life and leadership:Nature...
K-State's Vienna Lahmer highlighted Day 2 with a record breaking performance in the mile, Vanessa Mercera's rise & more from last weekend's home meet for the 'Cats men's and women's indoor track and field squads!
A great turnout by K-State nation on Friday during another home indoor meet for the Wildcat men's & women's squads on Friday led by Gary Moore Jr & Vanessa Mercera in the MHK!
Talking weekend winter storm potential with Freese-Notis Weather meteorologist Paul Otto.Manager to-manager segment features McLean County Farm Bureau manager Anna Ziegler.Macon County Farm Bureau president Mat Muirheid on his induction into the Illinois Basketball Coaches Association Hall of Fame. Final Pigskin Pickins' of the season with DeLoss, Jim and Rita.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow. Update from Asgrow Technical Agronomist Lance Tarochione.RFD Radio affiliate and IHSA segment with Shawn Temple from WMOI/WRAM.Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Jim and RFD Radio content coordinator Collin Schopp.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow. Illinois Farm Bureau Director of Business and Regulatory Affairs Bill Bodine breaks down the energy bill approved by the Illinois General Assembly during the fall veto session. Seth Laurence at RFD Radio Network affiliate WEZC talks IHSA playoff football.Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Jim, and RFD Radio Content Coordinator Collin Schopp.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow. Grace Murphy of Macomb reflects on her time as a state and national FFA officer as she heads to the National FFA Convention. Marlon Eilts with COUNTRY Financial discusses COUNTRY's "Sport Your School" promotion with the IHSA. Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Jim, and RFD Radio Content Coordinator Collin Schopp.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow. Kyle Maxwell discusses Ameren Illinois' avian protection program. 50 years in the broadcast booth for Scott Allen at RFD Radio Network affiliate WSJD in Mt. Carmel.Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Jim, and Rita.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow. Monthly visit with the State Treasurer Michael Frerichs. Longtime IHSA football official Jason Foy discusses the enjoyment of Friday night lights. Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Rita, and Jim.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow. Among the talking points federal government shutdown and impact on potential farm aid package. Pioneer agronomy segment with Brad Mason discussing Z series soybeans.Author Chris Ballard on his book documenting the 1971 Macon High School baseball team.Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Jim and Rita.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs & Commodities Kevin Semlow. Illinois Farm Bureau Director of Business and Regulatory Affairs Bill Bodine talks broadband and provides update on energy bill being debated in Springfield.IHSA Friday segment featuring Camp Point Central head football coach Brad Dixon. Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Jim and Rita.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow. Megan Schofield with COUNTRY Financial discusses next week's "Tourniquet in Every Tractor" event in Clark County. Former Illinois State FFA officer Levi Maierhofer details his IHSA logos map project. Pigskin Pickins' with Jim, DeLoss, and content coordinator Collin Schopp filling in for Rita.
Greg and Dan talk with agricultural expert DeLoss Jahnke to dive into the major concerns farmers are facing right now. From combine breakdowns and the rising risk of fires in these extremely dry conditions, to the lasting effects of tariffs, tough weather patterns, and challenges smaller farmers are up against - there’s a lot at stake. DeLoss stresses the urgent need for rain to help repair the damage after weeks of drought. He also shares insight on wild boars threatening crops in other areas, while locally, deer remain the bigger challenge.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow. Monthly visit with Illinois Comptroller Susana Mendoza.Affiliate chat with WRMJ's Ty Taylor.Pgskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Jim, and content coordinator Collin Schopp filling in for Rita.
An update on the Illinois Ag Leadership Foundation Class of 2027. IHSA historian Scott Johnson on 125 moments in 125 years of the IHSA, which was founded in 1900.Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Jim and Rita.
Deputy USDA Secrtetary Stephen Vaden and U.S. Rep. Mike Bost from the Farm Progress Show earlier this week.IHSA Friday with Sam Knox and Pigskin Pickins' with Kim, DeLoss, & Rita.
This morning on The Greg & Dan Show, DeLoss Jahnke came on the show to talk about the impact of the recent dust storm on local agriculture and the rainfall this season.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Market conversation with Angie Setzer, Consus Ag. Later, DeLoss talks freezer beef with Rob Shaffer, Woodford County Farmer and gets a weather update from WEEK's Chuck Collins.
Day 2 of the DeLoss Dodds Invitaional indoor meet in Manhattan, KS saw the women's 4x4 400 meters relay smashed their time among other personal best!
The men's and women's indoor track & fields teams had their 2nd home meet of the season. Transfer Gary Moore Jr. continues to impress & more!
We chat with Mo Cohen (Queermo Games) and Hagen Deloss about Queer Quest, a point-and-click adventure that's best described as "gay Monkey Island meets feminist Leisure Suit Larry". Audio edited by Dylan Shumway. Show notes: Queer Quest official site (Queermo Games) Mo Cohen Queer Quest on Steam and itch.io Hagen Deloss Eggplant interview with Gilles De Coster (De Mol) Leisure Suit Larry Monkey Island Queer Quest Kickstarter (October 2016) Mar Del Castillo and Miss Honey Skullduggery! mobile game Read Only Memories (ROM) (MidBoss) My Ex-Boyfriend the Space Tyrant (Luke Miller) Dream Daddy: A Dad Dating Simulator Sense8 Rise of the Video Game Zinesters by Anna Anthropy Tarotno Kentucky Route Zero Eggplant episode Beak, Feather & Bone
Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs & Commodities Kevin Semlow provides his "Seven with Kevin" segment highlighting local, state, and national issues. We meet McHenry County Farm Bureau manager Dan Volkers. An update from American Farmland Trust's Kris Reynolds. DeLoss, Jim, and Rita finish the show with Pigskin Pickins.
In this inspiring conversation, Joe DeLoss opens up about navigating life's twists and turns, sharing his raw, personal journey through big changes and the lessons he's learned along the way. Whether you're facing a career shift, grappling with relationships, or just trying to figure out what's next, this episode offers a relatable and refreshing take on the process of change. Here's what we dive into:The Reality of Change: Joe unpacks the messy, paradoxical, and often beautiful journey of letting go and stepping into something new.Unlearning What No Longer Serves You: How to release old habits, identities, and societal definitions of success to rediscover what truly matters.Becoming a Wayfinder: Joe shares his approach to navigating uncertainty one small, intentional step at a time, and how you can start your own path forward.Why Nature Heals: The surprising way outdoor adventures helped Joe reconnect with himself and find clarity in chaos.Serving Through Your Struggles: How Joe's challenges inspired him to create Baker Road, a space for men to find connection and purpose in nature.This episode is like a campfire conversation between friends—real, vulnerable, and packed with wisdom for anyone ready to embrace growth and align with what truly matters in life.Key Moments:02:51 - Joe's early relationship with change and the impact of identity shifts06:48 - Reckoning with rock bottom: When personal pain meets external accountability11:38 - Realigning purpose and identity: How to start the process of self-awareness17:29 - The power of unlearning: Letting go of external validation to reconnect with inner values22:42 - Defining personal success: From external KPIs to meaningful relationships29:39 - Navigating life's map: The wayfinding metaphor for embracing the journey36:25 - Nature as a guide: Lessons from the wild and its transformative role in Joe's work43:09 - Creating Baker Road: Purpose-driven adventures for growth and connection48:36 - Campfire wisdom: Letting go, finding peace, and embracing the abundance of changeAbout Joe:Joe is a serial entrepreneur focused on building transformational experiences and businesses that improve the lives of everyone involved. Most recently, Joe exited Hot Chicken Takeover, a fast-casual restaurant chain he built in the Midwest. The business earned critical acclaim as a break-out brand in the segment and created nearly a thousand meaningful work opportunities in the region for people impacted by incarceration, homelessness, and addiction.Since this acquisition, Joe's continued his dedication to supportive employment, social entrepreneurship, and vulnerable leadership. And with eyes set on new ventures, Joe's seizing any opportunity he can get to inspire other entrepreneurs and leaders to make sustainable impact integral to their organization's future. He honors this pursuit as an advisor, investor, speaker, and occasionally, as a reluctant consultant. His newest project, Baker Road, is an adventure studio offering men and high impact leaders immersive opportunities to learn about themselves in wild, natural environments. Joe's work been highlighted by The Today Show, Forbes, Harvard Business School, Politico, The Rachael Ray Show and many others. He and his family live on a farm in rural Ohio, keeping adventure close in their own backyard.Connect with Joe:LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/joedeloss/Baker Road: www.bakerroad.com/Connect with Owl & Key:Website: www.owlandkey.co
Coverage of the National Association of Farm Broadcasting annual meeting in Kansas City, including conversations with Eric Wilson of Wyffels Hybrids and Gail Stratman with FMC.Paul Wappel with the Illinois Department of Transportation discusses deer/vehicle crash numbers. DeLoss, Jim, and Rita finish the show with Pigskin Pickins'.
Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow provides his "Seven with Kevin" segment.Western Illinois University ag student Mckayla Jennings discusses her experience staffing the WIU booth at the National FFA Convention. Illinois Farm Bureau Director of Business and Regulatory Affairs Bill Bodine reminds landowners to contact JULIE before doing excavation work. DeLoss, Jim, and Rita finish the show with Pigskin Pickins'.
KJ Johnson with the Illinois Fertilizer and Chemical Association provides information leading into the fall fertilizer season. Agronomist Todd Steinacher talks harvest results. Amanda Bryden with the Illinois State Museum discusses a oral history project involving Route 66.DeLoss, Jim, and Rita finish the show with Pigskin Pickins'.
The show kicks off with a Seven with Kevin, Illinois Farm Bureau's Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities provides us an update on issues.Jim Taylor continues his coverage from the National FFA Convention, including visits with Jay Solomonson from the Illinois State University Department of Agriculture and Chicago High School for Agricultural Sciences FFA Chapter President Bernard Baltimore.Jim, Rita, and DeLoss finish the show with Pigskin Pickins'.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring election and other updates from Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow. Raghela Scavuzzo, Illinois Farm Bureau Associate Director of Food Systems Development talks fall agritourism season.We highlight the Kaskaskia College Collegiate Farm Bureau. DeLoss, Rita, and Jim finish the show with Pigskin Pickins'.
A weekly Illinois Farm Bureau “Seven with Kevin” update from Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow. Don Schaefer with Mid-West Truckers Association talks harvest, recent dock strike, transportation, and details of a recent study that names women as the safer drivers on the road with 18-wheelers. USDA Rural Development State Director Pam Monetti shares information on DeLoss, Jim, and Rita finish the show with Pigskin Pickins'.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs & Commodities Kevin Semlow.An Illinois Beef Association update from Josh St. Peters.We hear from National FFA finalist in Extemporaneous Speaking, Marshal Allen Pruitt. Friday Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Jim, and Rita.
"Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow.An update from Illinois Farm Bureau Associate Director of Food Systems Develpment Raghela Scavuzzo.Lock and Dam discussion with Paul Rohde from the Waterways Council and Illinois Farm Bureau Associate Director of Transportation & Infrastructure Rodney Knittel. DeLoss, Jim, and Rita finish the show with Pigskin Pickins'.
“Seven with Kevin” featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs & Commodities Kevin Semlow.Illinois Farm Bureau Director of National Legislation Ryan Whitehouse talks Farm Bill.Helen VanBeck with American Farmland Trust discusses the “Find Tool" through the Illinois Sustainable Ag Partnership.DeLoss, Jim, and Rita finish the show with Pigskin Pickins'.
It's "Seven with Kevin" featuring Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Kevin Semlow.We celebrate the county fair season visitinfg with Miss Ogle County Fair Queen Blakelynn Swanson.Julie Hewitt with the Illinois Nutrient Research & Education Council discusses 2025 research funding projects. DeLoss, Rita, and Jim wrap up the week with Pigskin Pickins'.
Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs & Commodities Kevin Semlow provides his "Seven with Kevin" segment. We discuss net metering with Illinois Farm Bureau Director of Business and Regulatory Affairs Bill Bodine. Coverage from the Sandwich Fair, including conversations with Livestock Superintendent Ken Tyrell and Illinois Farm Bureau Board Member Mark Tuttle from DeKalb County.Pigskin Pickins with DeLoss, Rita, and Jim.
In this engaging conversation, Jason dives into the life and career of Deloss Pickett, a filmmaker and entrepreneur who shares his experiences creating the impactful documentary, '25 to Life' with rapper Ice-T. The film explores the implications of California's three strikes law, interviewing prisoners and their families. The discussion transitions to his journey through the film industry, his time at Tesla, and his innovations in sustainable technology with BIB Technologies. From navigating the challenges of the film festival circuit to his insights on the flawed prison system and the future of hydrogen and electric vehicles, this episode offers a rich narrative of resilience and visionary thinking. 00:00 Why watch this episode 00:43 Introduction and Excitement 00:54 The Making of '25 to Life' 01:36 Film School and Early Influences 03:26 The Three Strikes Law 05:03 Challenges and Successes 06:58 Emotional Interviews and Advocacy 12:20 Prison Experiences and Realities 17:20 Private Prisons and Corporate Interests 21:05 Transition to Tech and Consulting 32:02 The Art of Naming Things 32:37 Pandemic Pivot: From FRO Truck to Glass Lockers 34:06 The Vision for Automated Retail 35:25 Robotics and Job Displacement 38:12 Hydrogen Cars: Practicality and Challenges 40:26 Insurance Woes and Legal Battles 45:12 The Future of Hydrogen Vehicles 53:24 Failed Startups and Market Realities 55:29 The Revival of the Automat 56:54 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans Like, Share & Subscribe - The Jason Ingber Show
It's been a busy few years for Joe DeLoss, to say the least.Since his last appearance, episode 76, on the podcast, he's relocated his family, weathered a global pandemic in one of the most dramatically impacted markets, and led Hot Chicken Takeover through an acquisition process – and it hasn't even been two full years. Starting at the beginning, we lay the foundation of his childhood and volunteerism roots, before jumping back into the 2017 rock-bottom which formed the basis of our earlier conversation. We talk about the divinity behind his unforeseen move away from urban living to an open space where he and his family could expand their lives, the massive decision to give up majority ownership in his business, and the personal growth he's experienced from therapy and meditation.Open and honest as ever, the sense of contentment and self-awareness is palpable in his voice. It's such a breath of fresh air to hear his POV on the mindsets that lead him to low points and the practices which have helped him recover a true, deep sense of peace.To learn more, visit: thegravitypodcast.comResources:Gravity 76: Hot Chicken is Good for the Soul: Business as Spiritual Nourishment with Joe DeLoss #76Website: https://www.joedeloss.comOrder Up: hotchickentakeover.comInstagram: @HotChickenTakeoverRead: The Courage to Be DislikedGravy Stack: gravystack.comGravity is produced by Crate Media.
6 more wins, plus more good perfromances from the K-State track & field team on the indoor front last weekend.
Junior Shalysa Wray leads the charge once again as the track & field teams land 6 first place finishes in Day 1 last weekend in MHK!
Friday's show features an energy market conversation with GROWMARK's Scott Wilson. We celebrate the IHSA and IPPA's Pork & Pigskins Champion--Hall Township High School. We meet the new Illinois Corn Growers Association president. We wrap up the show with Pigskins with DeLoss, Rita and Jim.
Rita Frazer visits with AFBF President Zippy Duvall. Robert White, Renewable Fuels Association, shares the future of ethanol. Stephanie Porter, Illinois Soybean Association Agronomist talks about the efforts of the Association to assist soybean producers.Rita, DeLoss and Jim talk about the NAFB organization, their involvement and the importance of being involved and wrap up with Pigskin Picks.
The Veterans Day edition of the show features a conversation with the Illinois Department of Agriculture about the "Homegrown by Heroes" program. We visit with veteran Dan Swanson of Henry County. He also farms and serves in the Illinois House. We finish the show with Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Rita and Jim.
Friday's show features a special interview with former U.S. Secretary of Transportation and Illinois Congressman Ray LaHood and former Illinois Congressman Jerry Costello. We finish the show with Friday's Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Jim & Rita.
Friday's show features an update from Illinois Farm Bureau Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities Mark Gebhards. We talk soybean weed control with Corteva. We learn about the Sherrard FFA horse judging team. And we finish the show with Pigskin Pickins' with DeLoss, Rita and Jim.
Friday's show features a conversation with regular contributor Mark Gebhards, who serves as Executive Director of Governmental Affairs and Commodities for Illinois Farm Bureau. We highlight the Carrol County Farm Bureau "Adopt A Legislator" program. We learn about Bayer Fund's America's Farmers Grow Communities. And we finish the show with DeLoss, Jim and Rita and "Pigskin Pickins"'.
Friday's show features a conversation with Bill Bodine, who serves as Director of Business and Regulatory Affairs for Illinois Farm Bureau. He discusses the latest on the proposed Heartland Greenway project. We celebrate National 4-H Week with Brady Clark, who is now a junior at Southern Illinois University. We check in with Delana Erbsen at Iowa State University. She is a graduate of Eastland High School and is preparing for the National FFA Convention. Friday also means Pigskin Pickens' with DeLoss, Rita and Jim.
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