Free State with Joe Brolly and Dion Fanning

Did the World Cup final hit different from the million dollar seats or was the best thing about them the helicopter that flew you back to New York City?On Free State, today we ask who mourns the end of Gianni Infantino's dance with Donald Trump and the depraved nature of football today?Dion does and he explains why football still matters despite the decadence at the top of the game. Things get heated as they discuss it and Dion wonders if he's talking to Joe or Fr Dougal. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On the weekend of the World Cup final, Eamon Dunphy is our weekend guest. Dunphy reflects on his astonishing career in journalism, the price he paid for being an outsider and why he didn't care when he left the RTE panel. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

England lost at the semi final stage again but what does how players are shaped for professional football tell us about how they perform? England lose when they play a team more cunning than them but they have a system designed for obedience.Kids will be dreaming of playing in a World Cup but what is the reality of professional sport.On Free State today we look at how the attritional nature of succeeding in sport can break so many who try to make it. And we ask what it does to those who succeed. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make. It made sense for Paul McCartney and it makes sense when we consider why we engage with whatever gives us pleasure in life. On Free State today we look at the meaning of sport. Why winning doesn't matter as much as how sport makes you feel. Does this mean Mayo can win the All Ireland? Does it matter? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Martin Sixmith was the BBC's man in Moscow as the Soviet Union collapsed and Vladimir Putin came to power. In today's podcast he talks about his time in Russia, the fight for the billions lost and his time working on The Lost Child of Philomena Lee. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Jeffrey Donaldson sits in a prison cell, waiting to be sentenced for the most horrific crimes. On Free State today we look at the rise and fall of Jeffrey Donaldson. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Donald Trump destroys everyone in his orbit. His transactional nature means that eventually whoever is close to him is ruined Gianni Infantino might soon know how that feels.‘I regularly discuss matters related to the FIFA World Cup with the President of the United States,' Infantino said as he explained how FIFA had lifted the suspension on the USA forward Folarin Balogun. “During our conversation, I explained that there was an ongoing legal process involving FIFA's independent judicial bodies and that the case would be decided in due course by the competent bodies. That is how FIFA's system works, and it is a principle that I will always uphold.”On Free State, we look at those principles and how they fit in with Donald Trump's. The White House insists that Trump's only concern is the American people. As he spends every hour thinking about them, he just happens to have made more than a billion dollars from crypto in his first year back in office. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

You might not have heard of Helenio Herrera but without him, you might not have the modern football manager. Herrera was a lowdown and a dirty football manager who wasn't so much a pragmatist as an absolutist. He was full of contradictions: he hated his players having sex but he ruined many lives with his own pursuit of sex. He would do anything to win and stopped at nothing for victory. He wasn't a pragmatist, it was more pathological than that.On Free State today, Dion talks to Richard Fitzpatrick about HH and how he shaped the modern football world, for better and for worse. Although not a lot of it was for the better. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The World Cup continues to captivate. France stunned the world with their performance against Sweden, with a display of pace and skill that was as good as anything witnessed in the competition.But what is the hidden World Cup? What is the secret anguish that this and all sporting events facilitate.In their final episode in this series looking at the dangers of online gambling, Joe and Dion look at how the dopamine hit is so carefully regulated and how the ebb and flow of sporting events became another hook. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How many times do you look at your smartphone each day? How often do you pick it up? How aware are you of how it makes you feel?On Thursday's Free State we looked at how gambling has got out of control.Today Dion and Joe examine how what we are dealing with is an entirely new phenomenon, a supercharged addiction of smartphone and gambling, a dopamine hit of huge power. We look at the demographic most affected and ask when will people do enough to help them? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

When Fintan Drury wrote his first book on Palestine - Catastrophe, Nakba II, the manner in which it resonated with people told its own story. Now he has written Genocide - Sponsoring the destruction of Palestine, another searing and detailed account of how the Palestinian people have been failed. He talks to Dion about why now is the time to act. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The 1992 Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act prohibited betting on baseball, basketball, American football and most other sports in nearly every US state.In 2018, the Supreme Court declared the act unconstitutional, opening up America to a stampede of betting.On Free State today we look at how the gambling industry achieved such prominence and how they made gamblers feel that the problem wasn't them it was you. With tens of billions being bet on the World Cup and prediction markets like Polymarket allowing people to take a position on everything, we wonder where it will end? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

‘I have come to sell a product called soccer.' The former FIFA president Joao Havelange announced himself in 1974 with these words. They have been the model for the expansionist, grasping FIFA that has existed to this day.But maybe what matters was not the product but everything but the product?On Free State today we look at why the World Cup matters and why it might be everything that Donald Trump's America is not.From David Clifford and Kerry to Messi and Argentina, sport is what it is because of the communities that are brought together.Could it be that as America experiences the World Cup, they see that the world is a better place than their leaders want them to believe? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In Power Ballad, Rick, played by Paul Rudd, a washed-up wedding singer, and Danny, a fading boy band star, bond over music and a late-night jam session. On Free State today, old friends Dion and Peter McDonald, co-writer and co-start of Power Ballad, discuss their own late night escapades, Peter's time in the theatre and and his extraordinary time working with the legendary Robert Altman. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

There are no atheists in the foxholes and in the darkness of the night there is nobody who won't find consolation in the World Cup.On Free State today Joe talks about his own World Cup journey. Joe and Dion look at why the tournament captivates and what it tells us about communities as opposed to the leaders of those communities.At a time when Elon Musk had become the world's first trillionaire, we look at the hatred he is trying to foment. And we look at the story of Palestine Action and what it tells us the authoritarian direction of the world today. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How have Donegal got themselves in this mess? Has Jim McGuinness's obsession with Kerry blinded him to the other threats.On Free State today, Joe examines why some counties accumulate All Irelands and others fail, while Dion surprises him with his knowledge of Roscommon's football history.Joe and Dion also look at how the Belfast Riots happened. For months the PSNI were warned that houses were being identified and that people were stockpiling food for fear their homes would be attacked but according to reports nothing was done.‘My daughter was crying, saying she doesn't want to die,' one father said of the terror his family endured during the riots.Why has this happened and what is the hypocrisy at the heart of loyalism that allows this hate to prosper? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The World Cup has begun but will there ever be a tournament like Mexico '86 dominated by Diego Maradona? On Free State today, Dion talks to David Arrowsmith about his book on Maradona, the impulses that drove Maradona and how he escaped from poverty but could never escape the sense of being an outsider. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Belfast has burned this week. The horrific knife attack on Monday night shocked everyone. But nobody was surprised by what came next. In Belfast, In Glasgow and around Britain, people came out on the street. Some were there to protest, others were there to intimidate. In Belfast, the intimidation took over.On Free State today, Joe and Dion consider the riots in Belfast and whether there is a difference there than in other places. Joe looks at the inherent supremacy in the loyalist mindset and why it has made that community more susceptible to the hysteria driven by social media.As people take to the streets in Dublin and elsewhere, can any politician challenge the power of the technology and the propaganda advancing this cause? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The FAI have decided to move Ireland's game against Israel to a neutral venue. But is this a pragmatic move or another attempt to avoid making a principled decision?On Free State today Joe and Dion talk to Sinead Gibney of the Social Democrats about why this is a cop out. Would there be consequences for Ireland if they refused to play the game or would it lead to others following?Sinead Gibney explains why this is a moral issue and even if Ireland were removed as hosts of the Euros in two years, they should refuse to play. The decision to move the game doesn't address the moral core of the problem. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

John Kampfner doesn't believe there is a better way, he believes there is only one way for western democracies to survive.On Free State today he talks about what democracies have to do to survive. They - we - are drinking in the last chance saloon he says. He explains why there has to be a reckoning and why so many politicians do not have the capability to change.He speaks about his new book Braver New World which we have discussed on the podcast and where in the world countries are doing things differently. If the rest of us don't do the same, there will be trouble ahead. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Have you been watching Love Island? As part of his deep research for the podcast, Dion has and on today's Free State he shares his concerns about Fitzy and the world he has walked in to.Joe encouraged Dion to watch it but hasn't done so himself but he marvels at the Love Island universe and what it contains.Yet it is the universe of the late great Frank McGuigan that holds his attention. Joe recalls a player of preternatural gifts whose genius drew people to him and whose vulnerability ensured they always willed him on. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Aziz Abu Sarah's older brother Tayseer was like a father to him. Azis was ten years old when his brother died after he had been tortured and beaten in an Israeli jail. Aziz says his brother's death sent him to his own prison where all he wanted was revenge.Maoz Inon's parents were killed by Hamas on October 7th. A couple of days later, he and his family released a message. “For the death of our parents on October 7, my family is seeking no revenge. What we are seeking is peace and equality.”On Free State today Aziz Abu Sarah and Maoz Inon talk to us about their extraordinary friendship and their determination to find a way to peace in the Middle East.They speak about their attempt to understand each other as Israelis and Palestinians and why there must be justice and equality as well as peace. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sally Hayden is a fearless journalist. She has covered war and conflict around the world. She lives in Lebanon where, early in her new book, she notes that ‘in the past fortnight, Israel has killed more than one thousand people'.Her book opens with a quote from Elon Musk: ‘The fundamental weakness of Western civilisation is empathy.'On Free State today Sally Hayden explains her journey to disprove Musk's claim. ‘I encounter love daily - more than fury, revenge, greed or abuses of power.' She writes about how love endures in the middle of genocide and how the powerful use it, as well as everything else, as a weapon against humanity. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What do Sinn Fein stand for? What do they believe? And do the other left wing parties believe they believe it?On Free State Joe and Dion look at the state of Sinn Fein following the recent by-elections. Does it tell us something about the scrutiny Sinn Fein are under that there is more analysis of them than of Fianna Fáil which got a comically low vote?Dion and Joe disagree about what Sinn Féin's intentions are when they talk about immigration. Joe also responds to the Jim McGuinness developments. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What do great art and great sport have in common? Why do the moments that transport us to another dimension in sport and art have such power?On Free State today, Dion reflects on the spiritual experience of seeing Paul Simon and Joe reflects on writing Kerry off.What does the game between the All Ireland champions and Donegal tell us about the summer to come? And what does it tell us about Jack O'Connor? Has he been found out by the new dynamic Gaelic football or were the seeds of Kerry's destruction planted long ago? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On today's Free State, Dion talks to Louise Brangan about The Fallen, her book about the Magdalene Laundries and what they tell us about Ireland, then and now Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Do you feel like lower value human capital or do you believe you should be on Love Island? Who declares who is of value and who isn't? Will the future belong to those who refuse to be defined by what the tech overlords decide they should be? On Free State we look at how the climate emergency is being accelerated by data centres and why nobody has the will to stop them. And we provide a major update on the potential Love Island appearance of the Galway footballer ‘Fitzy'. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Bertie Ahern says he rejects ‘racism in all its forms'. So what is it if not racism when a former Taoiseach says ‘we can't be taking in people from Congo and all these places'?On Free State today we ask how do you talk about immigration and not get mistaken for a racist? Is it best not to say things that a racist might say to begin with?Ahern defended himself by saying ‘I don't think there is anything wrong talking about what the people are talking about'.But what does this mean? What is the requirement of a leader, even a former leader, when people are troubled and anxious? Do you resort to the lowest common denominator or do you provide a vision? What did Bertie Ahern do? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

When Israel's contestant in the Eurovision appeared on stage in Vienna on Tuesday night, a lone voice shouted ‘stop, stop the genocide.' The Israeli contestant kept singing and nothing stopped.On Free State today we look at why the Eurovision became a key part of Israel's propaganda war.We examine the money that was spent ensuring Israel's entries got votes and we ask why. We also look at some of the less notable Irish entries over the years and Joe tries out his own power ballad. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

There was a huge response to last week's episode on Universal Basic Income.On Free State, Dion and Joe look at the arguments made in the emails and comments.But as they go through the comments, the atmosphere changes and Free State reaches another crossroads… Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

A study after the covid pandemic established that in care homes controlled by private equity firms the death rate was more than 50 per cent higher than in other homes.On Free State today we look at how private equity is capitalism cannibalising itself. Hettie O'Brien, author of The Asset Class, is on with us to talk about how this happened, how governments retreated from the public realm and left private equity take over the world.She explains how they took over the things we have to have, electricity, childcare, housing when governments retreated. And as they did, things became worse. She explains how ideology took hold and while the masses were scolded for acquiring debt, private equity found they could live with it, or somebody else could die with it. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

More than 60 per cent of Irish jobs are in positions highly exposed to the threat from AI. So what do we do in the face of this threat? Give everyone free money.On Free State today we look at universal basic income and how it could transform lives.How does it work and why would it be profound? And why does the opposition to this sound like the opposition to every other great transformations in society? On Free State today we explain why. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What does Ireland in 1926 tell us about Ireland today? What do absences tell us about the lives we live whether it is in Ireland a hundred years ago or at a graduation in Gaza today? On Free State, Joe and Dion look at loss and absence. They examine the emotion that can pack a punch from a hundred years ago and the lives that are ripped apart today Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It would be harder, Jamie Bartlett says, to open a sandwich shop in Dublin than to release a large language model of near infinite power into general public use. On Free State, Bartlett talks about his new book on how to talk to AI and what we are doing when we hand agency to a personality type that is drawing from the worst of impulses. How do we protect ourselves? Is the only winning move not to play but is that even possible? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What does the world look like when the world has turned away? On Free State today we ask about the loss of faith that will echo through the generations following the genocide in Gaza. We examine how leaders failed and are left taking comfort in the circus of a visit from a king to the court of Donald Trump. We also wonder how far someone can let themselves go that they don't iron their shoelaces. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

“I'm getting in touch because I've written the attached open letter as a serving Garda,” this email was one of many we received since Sinead O'Sullivan came on the podcast. “I've never done anything like this before,” it continued, “but I felt I had to say something given how things are going. I wrote it out of a genuine sense of frustration with the direction the country seems to be heading. More than that, I'm writing as a father of a young family, and I'm increasingly worried about what kind of Ireland my kids are going to grow up in.”On Free State today we ask why people hurting has been turned into an urban versus rural debate when everyone is affected. Does this tell us something about the inability of the ruling class to see beyond the short term? Why is there always a defensive attack or a short term fudge rather than leadership?And when it comes to lack of leadership? Could things actually get worse for Mayo? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

“The bravest man it fell to my unhappy lot to execute.” These were the words of the hangman who took Roger Casement to the scaffold in Pentonville Prison in 1916.Roger Casement's final years were lived in pursuit of Irish independence. But was he a driver of rebellion or a hopeless romantic whose brainwaves did more harm than good? On Free State today, Rory Carroll talks about his book A Rebel and a Traitor about Casement and Reginald Hall, the man who pursued him.He talks about the lover who betrayed Casement, why Irish prisoners of war in Germany didn't trust him and the complicated legacy that persists to this day. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What allows a manager to bring a group with them? What is it? How do they possess it and what happens when they lose it? On Free State today, Joe and Dion look at how managers fall to earth and consider how Ger Brennan can make it work as Dublin manager. They look at the power and control Alex Ferguson had and what happens when a manager becomes toxic and indiscipline spreads. They also consider the shocking developments in Howth where people aren't saying hello to Vogue Williams. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

When Sinead O'Sullivan created a graph which she believed illustrated the problems in Ireland, she hadn't realised what would happen next. She found herself in the middle of an argument about data with many including Leo Varadkar. It raged over what Ireland did and didn't do well. But did it highlight the real problem in Ireland today? A defensiveness from the establishment which could be seen in a broader context in relation to the protests.Sinead O'Sullivan joins Dion and Joe on today's Free State to talk about what when wrong in Ireland, why the country is like this and how it can be changed. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

As a young Roy Keane headed on the train to Dublin from Cork for a coaching course, he saw some railway workers toiling by the track.‘Look at them fuckers out there and they're going like the hammers,' he said. ‘I have to make it as a footballer.'On Free State today we look at what drives a man like Roy Keane and how is the boy the father of the man?Dave Hannigan, author of We Need to Talk About Roy, discusses how Ireland and Keane have got along and not got along. He explains the force that took him from Mayfield to England when many expected he would soon be back. But Keane stayed and succeeded in ways nobody could have imagined. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week Irish life returned to normal and Irish politics resumed its normal parlour games.The resignation of Michael Healy Rae was described repeatedly as a ‘bombshell' and the political parties shouted at each other in the Dail.Outside protestors and malcontents hovered but will their protests take on those who are really exploiting the ordinary people?Since Israel and the US launched their war against Iran, the top 100 oil companies are making an additional unearned ‘war profit' of $30 million an hour. There are calls for a windfall tax but who will take the side of the ordinary consumer over big oil?On Free State today we look at the real divide in society and we consider the moment when Leo Varadkar ran out of diesel Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

‘Nobody has a right to blockade our country,' Micheal Martin stated when announcing what the government would be doing in response to the protests that brought the country to a halt.But what does it tell us about the fraying of the social contract that people felt they had to take to the barricades in their country to demonstrate how desperate things have become?On Free State today Joe and Dion look at a week that might have changed Ireland and why the establishment doesn't know how to respond. We ask who were the bad actors who tried to attach themselves to the protest and explain why they are being used as a distraction to avoid dealing with the fundamental problems in the country.Joe and Dion also discuss the piece by Sinead O'Sullivan which you can read here https://www.butthistime.com/p/mind-the-gap. Feel free to email info@freestate.podcast.com with your own thoughts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

“It is a low bar to ask that people aren't killed so that I can fill up my car.” Alex Perry is an investigative journalist who has uncovered an extraordinary story.It is a story where the backdrop is the new imperialism. If the first scramble for Africa was led by the imperial nations in the 19th century, the second has been by the oil companies that have so much power in the world today.In Ireland, we have seen this week the power of oil and gas, but on Free State today, Alex Perry talks about the incredible story of Palma in Mozambique. He tells us about the massacre that took place there in 2021 which the world knows nothing about and why so many who should know more also say they know nothing. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How close did the world come to annihilation this week? What will happen the next time Trump parades his negotiating skills and can the world always be sure that Trump Always Chickens Out?On Free State, Dion and Joe reflect on a ceasefire which was a defeat for Trump and ignored by Benjamin Netanyahu.Does this mean peace or does it mean we should enjoy the little things that make life worth living? Since the death of his friend Michael Lyster, Joe has been reflecting on what made Lyster the man he was and he shares a story which captures his magic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Stalin was reported to have asked ‘How many divisions does the pope have?' when told of the Vatican's view on world affairs.On Easter Sunday, Pope Leo addressed the crowds at St Peter's Square and said, "Let those who have weapons lay them down. Let those who have the power to unleash wars choose peace."Shortly afterwards, Donald Trump gave his view on world affairs. “Open the F***in' Strait, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in Hell — JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah.”On Free State today we ask who will stand up to Donald Trump? Are the church leaders who are supposed to provide leadership in terms of morality being forceful or are they dealing simply in wooly abstractions that are of no use?When Trump is becoming increasingly deranged and there is a need for firm and moral leadership, will someone stand against him or will they continue to use language that is vague and uninspiring? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Olivier Norek says he has never met a killer who wasn't eaten inside by what they'd done. Before he became a writer, Norek was a policeman in the most dangerous parts of Paris and a humanitarian worker in the former Yugoslavia.On Free State today, Norek tells the story of Simo Hayha, the sniper known as the White Death, who fought for Finland during the Winter War when the Soviet Union invaded the country.He tells the story of how Finland, abandoned by the world to fight alone, stood against the Red Army, fighting for their communities.Norek researches his books the way he would investigate a crime and in preparation for the Winter Warriors, he spent a winter in Finland, experiencing the subzero temperatures in which Finns fought to defend their country.He tells us what the Winter War meant to Finland and how it shaped the world we live in today. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

When a California court ruled that Meta and YouTube had deliberately designed addictive products, many declared that this might be the Big Tobacco moment for the tech companies.The plaintiff was awarded $6 million damages. Meta's revenue in three months last year was 60 billion dollars. Their share price was unaffected.On Free State today we ask what will it take to make a difference? If the social media companies are relaxed about the finding, is it because they know that there is no appetite to make real change?We look at the power of the addiction and the power Big Tech utilises to enforce its position.These powers rule the world now and one ruling may not make much difference. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Trust the process has become one of world's worst cliches. But what if the alternative was worse? What if ‘trusting the emotions all around' was the other option?On Free State today Joe and Dion wonder why Ireland lose. The country will not be at the World Cup this summer. How much was this down to the Irish players' inability to keep their heads and be led by the emotion that was all around them?Are teams more susceptible to this in an age when information and anxiety are all around them? What is the cure for the headlong rush to emotion and will Ireland ever experience it? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Toby Harnden was sent to Northern Ireland for the first time in 1995. A reporter for the Daily Telegraph, it was an assignment that was not expected to produce much at a time when the peace process was the dominant story. But Harnden became fascinated with the republican movement and in particular how South Armagh had become a place that, not only could not be touched by the British government, but was controlling much of the IRA's military campaign in England and Ireland. On Free State, Toby Harnden talks to us about his classic book Bandit Country, getting to know the people of South Armagh and the remarkable time he spent in the Royal Navy alongside Prince Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

“The White House does not tolerate any administration official illegally profiteering off of insider knowledge, and any implication that officials are engaged in such activity without evidence is baseless and irresponsible reporting.”Fifteen minutes before Donald Trump posted that there had been ‘productive conversations' with Iran, $580 million in oil bets were made in a period of 60 seconds.Who knew to place those bets? Did anyone have insider information? “The only focus of President Trump and Trump administration officials is doing what's best for the American people,” a White House spokesperson said.On Free State today we look at the con that was Trump's war on Iran, a war that he is trying to end and which Iran prolongs any way it can knowing his desperation.Thousands have lost their lives in this latest example of American aggression and Trump now talks about peace.But does he know how to control the forces that are unleashed in a war? Or, as with Vietnam, has he set America on a course that will lead to greater human misery? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

When Michael Lyster started presenting The Sunday Game, Ronald Reagan was seeking reelection as president of the United States. When he stopped presenting it, Donald Trump was president for the first time.For 34 years Lyster was the presenter who shaped our summer days. He was the accompaniment to the drama and the tension, the celebration and the argument. It is no wonder that when his death was announced, the country felt as one,On Free State today Joe remembers his friend Michael Lyster. He recalls his calm and poise and ability to relax a studio so that the audience was entertained. He remembers Lyster's ability in a rally car and his love of life. Above all, he remembers a friend from the time when they were kings. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.