The Split Frame of Reference Podcast

Hi all! Here is a new episode of our review concernign Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology (2nd ed). We published this critical review in the peer-review journal Priscilla Papers 35.2 (2020): 19-22. You can read our more extensive review right here.

Hi all! Just a quick episode in support of two great organizations and their upcoming gatherings and conferences! Check out the M3ND Project HERE and the CBE Conference HERE!

“When you read Revelation, you should read it like a political cartoon.” “The harlot rides the Beast … the Bride of Christ does not.”If either phrase intrigues you, then you are in for a beast of a good time with us! In this episode with our good friend Rev. Dr. Dan Morrison, we talk about symbolism, hermeneutics, gender, and political theology and so much more in the complex and intricate Book of Revelation! We even ask Dan a question or two about his favorite films and tv shows and his work in weight lifting! Follow Dan on twitter and consider supporting us on Patreon! Blessings from Allison, Nick, and Nugs!

We are back, and we have on our new friend and fellow theology geek Dr. Nijay K. Gupta. Nijay is Professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary and is currently writing a book on the subject of women in the New Testament world. He has also penned numerous books and journal articles on Pauline theology. He joins us to talk about his forthcoming book on women in Scripture, his journey into egalitarian theology, his work on Junia, and advice for future scholars and theologians. It is a wonderful conversation and we hope you love, it and share it around! You can follow Nijay on twitter here, you can check out his blog here, and you can contact him via his seminary page here. If you like what we are doing, consider supporting our ministry via patreon!Nick & Allison & Nugs

Well, this episode is a deep dive into some really fascinating and complex issues! Dr. Payne is a major influence on our thinking and we were delighted to host him as he shared some stories of his life and a lot about his work in textual criticism. Please find available for free download Phil Payne's summary article that answers the 12 most commonly alleged biblical reasons against the equal standing of man and woman. It puts in 8 pages the core argument of my 511 page book, Man and Woman, One in Christ: An Exegetical and Theological Study of Paul's Letters (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2009, list $32.99) available for $19.99 at https://www.lingistsoftware.You may also download free a summary of the 6 groundbreaking discoveries identified in Phil Payne's October 2017 New Testament Studies article on the Vaticanus Distigme-obelos symbols. That article was listed as the “Most read” article on the NTS website for at least a year. It is available to download free HERE. Note that the key reasons for regarding 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 as a later addition are unique to this passage and so do not undermine the reliability of any other passage of Scripture.Phil Payne later discovered 8 more Vaticanus distigme-obelos symbols. Most of them are in the sixth column of the open codex, where the distigme was put on the right side of the column to make it easier to see, including the case of the adulteress (John 7:58 - 8:11). All 8 have a gap in the text at the exact point where some other manuscripts add at least four consecutive words that were not in the original text. This makes the case exponentially stronger that this same symbol marking the beginning of 1 Cor 14:34-35 does indeed identify it as a later addition that was not in Paul's original letter. You may also download free Phil Payne's "Critique of Vaticanus Distigme-Obelos Denials" with photographs of the additional 8. Payne also responds to critiques of his work here.Dr. Payne can be contacted at philip.b.payne@gmail.com or through his website.

Allison and Nick talk with Annette Oltmans of THE M3ND PROJECT about double abuse in the church. If you like what we are doing and want to support this podcast, help us out on Patreon!

In this episode, Allison and Nick complete their brief series on Colossians 3 with a precise exegesis of Col 3:18-4:1. Apologies in advance for Nolan's chirping and screaming at various points. He is a baby, after all. Thank you for your support during this time. If you want to support us on patreon, click here!

Nick and Allison and Nugs are back! Join us for a verse-by-verse walk through of Colossians 3:1-17. Usually 3:18-19 is the focus in the evangelical gender debate, but we felt like vv.1-17 had a lot more to offer contextually and spiritually. So, join us for the first part of a two-parter as we prepare the way for an egalitarian reading of Colossians 3:18-4:1.If you like what we are doing, follow Allison and Nick on twitter and support them on Patreon!

Hi everyone! In this episode we talk with Pastora Ines Velásquez-McBryde and Pastor Bobby Harrison, co-pastors of The Church We Hope For about co-pastoring, egalitarianism, and ministry during COVID. You can follow both Ines and Bobby on twitter!

Hi everyone! We have a cracka-lackin' episode for you this week, featuring our friend Aimee Byrd. Aimee has written a great new book called Recovering from Biblical Manhood and Womanhood and joins us to talk about it! Along the way we talk about friendship, partnership, and the other 98% of folks in church who have gifts as well.If you like what we are doing here, please share us with your friends and on your timeline! Feel free to support us on Patreon!-Nick and Allison and Nolan and Barclay

In this episode, Allison and Nick talk with their friend Dr. Ingrid Faro. Dr. Faro is an Old Testament scholar and theologian who has done extensive work on the problem of evil in Genesis. She has Old Testament studies and Hebrew taught at Northern Seminary, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, North Park Theological Seminary, and The Scandinavian School of Theology. You can also find her on Linkedin.However, there is so much more to what Ingrid has done for the church: her story of faith is shattering and powerful, as God has moved her through a time of deep darkness. May it bless you!Ingrid has a major monograph coming out from Lexham press about the subject of God and evil and Genesis! Keep your eyes peeled! We will share it on social media when we get a pre-order!If you like what we are doing, consider supporting us on patreon!Nick & Allison

We are so excited to welcome Dr. Christa McKirland onto our show! Christa is a longtime friend of ours from our time at Biola and she is now Lecturer in Systematic Theology at Carey Baptist College in New Zealand. In this episode we talk about gender, priesthood, analytic theology, human desire and purpose, and the Imago Dei. Pretty heady and spicy stuff!You can find some of Christa's work in Priscilla Papers as well as her other work at CBE. She is also co-editor of Discovering Biblical Equality (3rd ed) which is due out in 2021 (ish).She is the founder and executive director of Logia within the Logos Institute at the University of Saint Andrews, Scotland, where she did her Ph.D.If you like what we are doing here at Split Frame, please consider becoming a patron and supporting us financially!Nick and Allison and Nolan and Barclay

In this episode, Nick and Allison are joined by Eugene Hung (Feminist Asian Dad). Eugene is a former evangelical pastor and Dallas Seminary graduate, Eugene currently writes and speaks on a freelance basis about issues of gender, race, and parenting. He has also served as an educator for relationship and sexual violence prevention at UC Irvine, as well as a movement organizer and digital communications manager for the nonprofit Man Up Campaign. He is here to talk with us about violence prevention in churches and schools.He has written on #MeToo and the Church for Mutuality Magazine and This is What a Feminist Asian Dad Looks Like for The Junia Project.If you like what we are doing on this ministry and podcast, consider becoming one of our patrons!

In this episode, Nick and Allison interview Boz Tchividjian, founder of G.R.A.C.E. (Godly Responses to Abuse in the Church), to talk about the state of the church as it relates to abuse. We also talk about Boz's speech at the Southern Baptist Convention and the impact that had.For a snapshot of that speech:https://baptistnews.com/article/caring-well-expert-berates-southern-baptists-for-ignoring-sexual-abuse/#.XqM3IZp7lE4If you want to support us, please consider giving at our Patreon page!

In this episode (clocking in at over 90 minutes!!!) Nick and Allison are joined by Dr. Cynthia Long Westfall. Dr. Westfall is Associate Professor of New Testament at McMaster Divinity College and an expert in linguistics, discourse analysis, word studies, Hebrews, and Paul and gender. She joins us today to talk about 1 Timothy 2:12 and the specific verb that has caused a lot of controversy!Dr. Westfall has written perhaps one of the best books on the topic of women in ministry, Paul and Gender. For those who are looking for in-depth exegetical and linguistic analysis, see her article on 1 Tim 2:12 here as well as her work on gender and hermeneutics in Priscilla Papers here.If you like what we are doing here in creating the world's great egalitarian podcast/audio resource, consider supporting our podcast on Patreon!*A note, we talk about some Biblical words that are considered vulgar in their context. Just a heads up.

Allison and Nick are overjoyed to have on Kristen Padilla. Kristen is a graduate of Beeson Divinity School and and is a mother, wife, and minister of the Gospel and we talk about a lot of really interesting this! More specifically, we talk about her book Now that I am Called: A Guide for Women Discerning a Call to Ministry, which is an excellent book that you should pick up! Her book is so important to constructing a theology of vocation and calling, specifically for women who feel called to Christian ministry.Topics include the gender of Jesus, the incarnation, a theology of calling, T.F. Torrance, parenting, and the nature of how to be the church in this day and age - complementarians and egalitarians together!You can also follow Kristen on twitter!If you like what we are doing, please consider supporting us on patreon! Any little bit helps!

In this episode, Nick and Allison answer a few more listener questions. Specifically, we talk about Junia in Romans 16:7, our hopes and dreams about raising our son in an egalitarian household and church, and how egalitarianism is winning the day in seminaries.We also spend some time addressing a listener's question about 1 Timothy 2:12. You also get to hear us take a break from geeking out to spend a moment with Nolan as he cries a bit. Don't worry - he just wanted some snuggle time with mom.If you like what we're doing here, please consider supporting us on Patreon! Every little bit helps! If you have a question or a request, please feel free to email or tweet at us!

Hi everyone!We answer four specific questions in this episode and also talk about the birth of our newborn baby boy, Nolan! Some on 1 Timothy 2:12 and the history of interpretation and other questions about Allison's experience as a female theologian.We hope you enjoy it!If you have questions that you want answered in the future (we plan on doing more episodes like this throughout the week as we could only get to the first few questions) then use the hashtag on twitter #SplitFrameQ&A and we'll respond!If you want to support us, please consider giving on Patreon!

Dr. Ron Pierce (Ph.D, Fuller Theological Seminary) is Professor of Old Testament at Biola University and has written and edited numerous books and articles on the topic of women in ministry and the evangelical gender debate. Ron is also a personal friend of ours and we are just over the moon that we could have him on our podcast!In addition to being the editor of the upcoming 3rd edition of Discovering Biblical Equality (see the second edition here), Dr. Pierce has written extensively for Christians for Biblical Equality (his author page is here). Of special note is his excellent article on Deborah in Judges 4, Women Prophets and the Feminine Voice of God, and his game-changing work on 1 Corinthians 7 and marriage - I (Nick) cite it in my book The Perfection of Our Faithful Wills: it is that good! Dr. Pierce has also written a commentary on the Book of Daniel and an accessible work on marriage and ministry partnership.Dr. Pierce also teaches an exceptional class on Theology of Gender at Biola, and the playlist on YouTube can be found here. It was first in Dr. Pierce's class that both of us became convinced of the biblical veracity of egalitarianism and changed our minds based on what Scripture teaches.If you like what we re doing, please consider supporting us on Patreon! Thank you, especially those who write to us whether egalitarian or complementarian, and our current patrons. You are a great blessing to us! No gift is too small.Nick & Allison & Nolan Quient

In this episode, Nick and Allison talk with Dr. Mimi Haddad, president of Christians for Biblical Equality (CBE). Dr. Haddad is a personal friend of ours and we are so excited to welcome her onto our small podcast! We talk about the history of egalitarianism and the future of egalitarianism: where we've come from, and where we are going.Dr. Haddad has written extensively on how Humanity Flourishes when We Invest in Girl's Education, early Women Church Planters, Ending Abuse, and especially how Egalitarianism is not a new path to liberalism. Join us in our conversation with Mimi! We hope you love it! You can follow Mimi on Twitter here.If you like what we are doing, consider participating with us on creating the greatest egalitarian podcast on earth by becoming a monthly supporter on Patreon! Please share, rate us on iTunes (5 stars, please), and tell your friends about this podcast. Thank you for listening and supporting us!

In this episode, Nick and Allison talk with Dr. Mary Conway, a contributor to the upcoming and highly anticipated third edition of Discovering Biblical Equality (DBE3). Dr. Conway is Assistant Professor of Old Testament at McMaster Divinity College in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Specifically, Dr. Conway is writing on the following in DBE3:“Gender in Creation: Genesis 1–3.” In Discovering Biblical Equality, edited by Cynthia Long Westfall and Ronald W. Pierce. 3rd edition. Grand Rapids, MI: InterVarsity, forthcoming.“The Treatment of Women under the Mosaic Law.” In Discovering Biblical Equality, edited by Cynthia Long Westfall and Ronald W. Pierce. 3rd edition. Grand Rapids, MI: InterVarsity, forthcoming.Dr. Conway has also done extensive linguistic and theological work in Judges, as you can see on her personal page at McMaster.If you like what we are doing, consider participating with us on creating the greatest egalitarian podcast on earth by becoming a monthly supporter on Patreon! Please share, rate us on iTunes (An honest 5 stars, please!), and tell your friends about this podcast. Thank you for listening and supporting us!

Kate is the Lead Pastor at Wellspring Free Methodist Church in Bakersfield, California & Co-Founder of The Junia Project. As a Christian & feminist, Kate enjoys writing & speaking at the intersection of theology & gender. She loves living in Bakersfield with her husband Leif & their 2 dogs. Kate is currently pursuing her Masters of Divinity at Azusa Pacific Seminary & holds a Master of Science from the London School of Economics & a Bachelor of Arts from Azusa Pacific University. She joins us to talk about the genesis of The Junia Project, pastoral ministry, motherhood, and the power of theology and ministry as a life lived in holy love for God and others. We're so happy she joined us! Check her out also on Twitter (Kate and The Junia Project). You can hear her sermons on the Wellspring page!If you like what we are doing and want to support us, feel free to check out our Patreon!

Yes. You read that correctly. N.T. Wright stopped by for a few minutes to talk about his new mammoth masterpiece (co-written with Mike Bird) The New Testament in its World: An Introduction to the History, Literature, and Theology of the First Christians. It is a wonderful work that both Allison and I will be using in our future (hopeful) teaching careers. We talked with Tom for a while about the project (warning: sporadic usage of the phrase ‘Bird Magic' does appear) and then we asked him a few questions about women in ministry, and about how the New Testament encourages women in leadership.Much thanks to Jana and others for their work in making this possible, and a hearty thank to Tom for kindly stopping by! Tom of course has written numerous works mentioned in the podcast, but here is a video on his thoughts on women in ministry as well as an article that spells out his thoughts.Support us on Patreon!

Well hey y'all! It's been a time! In this episode Nick and Allison talk about communal complicity, gender, and abuse with Rev. Gricel Medina. You can find her on social media on Twitter and Instagram. Pastor Gricel is involved in church planting, theological education, community development, and is deeply involved in biblical gender equality. She is ordained in the Evangelical Covenant Church.Go check out her work! A big thank you to our 7 patrons on patreon for their support, and a huge thank you to those who engage and share our work on social media! For those who are more sensitive to topics of abuse, we do discuss a lot of abuse within the context of church and family so we want to give you a heads up on that.

In this mega super yuge episode totally nearly 2 hours (!), Nick and Allison explore the complexities of bible translations, and how modern English translations impact gender. We look especially at the ESV and give a brief response to Mike Winger, a Christian apologist who did an entire video on bible translations that is both helpful and somewhat inaccurate, as well as some prominent complementarians who played politics with English translations.Support Nick and Allison on PATREON. Follow them on Twitter (Nick and Allison).

Hi everyone! We made it around the Texas triangle (Houston - San Antonio - Austin - Waco - DFW - Houston) and during this trip we talked about our time at the Christians for Biblical Equality conference in Houston and answered listener questions. Questions about 1 Tim 2:12, ‘authority,' abuse, staying in church, and many others!Support us on patreon if you like what we're doing!

In this episode Nick and Allison talk about the Prophetess Huldah and about basic hermeneutics as they relate to the evangelical gender debate. Much could be said but we limited ourselves to the discussion simply to make things a bit breezy. They also include a discount code at the end of the episode for the Christians for Biblical Equality Conference in Houston, Texas on August 2-4. We hope to meet and see all 'y'all there!

Follow Nick and Allison on twitter! Also, for the few who are interested in Allison's story about a certain unnamed movie star in this episode, see this episode of The Sinnergists Podcast for the full story. Also, subscribe to that podcast if you like it!

Nick and Allison tackle the patriarchal reading of Genesis 3, arguing for an egalitarian understanding.Follow us on twitter (@NickQuient and @AllisonQuient)!

Allison's re-recorded presentation at the CATA conference in Toronto!

Nick and Allison tackle complementarian readings of Genesis 1-3 as they relate to creation. Follow them on twitter (@NickQuient) and (@AllisonQuient). Hit us up with questions there if you want them answered in the next episode!

This week we talk with Dr. Michael F. Bird, who is Academic Dean and Lecturer in Theology at Ridley College in Australia about Jesus and his view of gender. Mike is a former complementarian who has recently changed his mind on the bible's view of women and we talk about many things in this episode: Jesus and divorce, coffee, Mike's poor taste in drinks, the genderedness of Jesus and soteriology, the issue of sexism and gender dynamics in the classroom, and so on and so forth.Share! Like! Support us on Patreon!

Nick and Allison have been for a ride! In this episode, they tackle various elements of evangelical culture and marriage, talking about how we relate to one another as friends, peers and sexual beings in the church.

Follow us on twitter (@NickQuient and @AllisonQuient) and check out our website for blog posts and our patreon! Feel free to share our work if you are moved to do so, and give us an honest 5 star review!Nick & Allison

Follow us on twitter (@NickQuient and @AllisonQuient) and check out our website for blog posts and our patreon! Feel free to share our work if you are moved to do so, and give us an honest 5 star review!Blessings!Nick and Allison--

Allison leads us through the terrain of Romans 5, and the Adam/Christ typology. Although gender is nor our primary concern here, it does come up in regards to how we understand Adam as "anthropos." What will we conclude? You will have to listen and find out!

Romans 1 is often the key text for affirming or disallowing same-sex eroticism in the Christian church. While our reading does have implications for a conservative reading of Romans 1 (which we both affirm), we seek to allow the text to speak for itself. What Romans 1 is doing is illustrating a negative example of gendered mutualism, and we therefore see Paul's sexual egalitarianism (or his view of Eden) shining through humanity's sinfulness.

This episode is a recording of Allison's presentation at Duke Divinity School. She covers the issue of Eve in relation to Christ, especially since Eve is most often delegated to a subordinate position in Paul's Christology. She shows that Eve is far more important to Paul's Christology, and aids us in discerning Paul's Divine Christology. Plus, Nick eats gross jelly beans. Enjoy!

Nick and Allison take a road trip and answer some listener questions.

Boy, we are exhausted in this episode. We talk about the Christians for Biblical Equality conference in Orlando, and muse about the future of egalitarianism.

In this episode, we touch on the doctrine of God, the Holy Spirit, and how we read narratives. Women, as it has been shown, are at the very forefront of Scripture's revelation, and why reading narrative well matters.

We've gotten some epic and provocative emails from various listeners, and so in addition to our exegesis of Galatians 3:28, we answered those questions! For more notes, see the link in the blog description. Allison wrote a killer article on this passage!

Pastor John Piper recently responded to a question about the future of 'male headship.' In this episode, Nick and Allison are joined by Dr. Jamin Hübner and they respond to Pastor John's comments, showing that Scirpture not only supports women in ministry, but that Pastor Piper is deeply mistaken. Plus, Allison does not drink any beer!

Nick and Allison talk about 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, textual criticism, interpolations, prophesy and Allison drinks a beer she hates! Expect a short primer on textual criticism and manuscripts, plus Allison threatens Nick.

In this episode, Allison and Nick discuss book corner, Christian identity and Allison tell us stories of sexism she has experienced. Persona, mildly funny, and full of surprises.

In this episode, Allison and Nick take a certain challenge and then exegete the entirety of one of Paul's most contested oassages: 1 Corinthians 11:2-16. They conclude that Paul affirms gender differences and not gender hierarchy.

This week, Nick and Allison exegete 1 Corinthians 7:1-16, one of the most neglected Pauline passages on marriage in the Bible. They conclude that this passage is rich in ethical content for Christians, and that marriage is a union of equals, bound to one another in mutual service and love. Far from being stuck in the first century, this passage speaks loudly to twenty-first century Christians and even beyond.

This week, Nick and Allison exegete Ephesians 5:18-33, one of the most contested passages on marriage in the Bible, and conclude that mutual submission is grounded in Christ's love for the Church, his body. They discuss 'headship' and 'submission,' concluding that Paul radically redefined both in an egalitarian direction.

In this episode, Allison and Nick walk through the Greek of 1 Timothy 3:1-13 and argue against the patriarchal reading, and conclude that Paul is affirming women elders and deacons, contrary to other interpretive options. They also briefly respond to John MacArthur's exegesis of this passage.

In this episode, Nick and Allison offer an egalitarian reading of one of the most difficult passages in the entire Bible. Upon close examine of the context, Nick and Allison conclude that this verse cannot be used to exclude women from exercising their God given gifts in church.

Where we - Nick and Allison (N/A) - introduce the show and ourselves. Nick talks about John Barclay's new book "Paul and the Gift" and Allison introduces us to her current research interest. Then we begin to talk about gender theology and the Bible.