Podcast appearances and mentions of David Gillespie

It dawned on me that three years down the track, I still didn’t really understand how David Gillespie ‘works’. I’ve known him for years but we’ve never actually met in person, and so I’ve never really chatted with him ‘about’ him - so to speak. Turns out, he’s fascinating. This was a very different conversation to our typical episodes, but it’s honestly one of my favourites. Maybe top three all time. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of Reading With Your Kids, Jed welcomes back one of preschool media's most influential creators, Angela Santomero, to celebrate her new series, "Princess Penelope's Purse of Preposterous Things." Angela explains that Princess Penelope is a brave, kind-hearted kitten who doesn't realize how small she is. When Mother Nature grants her a magical purple purse filled with "preposterous things," Penelope must use creative and critical thinking—not just magic—to solve problems and stand up for her friends. Angela shares how this "engine" of the series helps kids learn to think, reason, and be kind, skills she believes are essential in an age of AI and constant media. Drawing on her background in child development and her groundbreaking work on Blue's Clues and Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood, Angela talks about "cuddle TV"—those precious moments when parents and kids watch or read together, ask questions like "What do you think will happen next?", and model deeper thinking. She highlights research showing that just 15 minutes of daily reading-for-fun can expose kids to a million new words a year and profoundly shape their futures. Angela also compares the Princess Penelope books and YouTube episodes, explaining how each medium deepens the experience in different ways. Later in the episode, Jed chats with David Gillespie, retired Air Force veteran and author of "Floo Flocky Doo to the Rescue." David shares the 26-year journey from his daughter's imaginative play to a lively, rhyming picture book that celebrates family stories, risk-taking, and nurturing a lifelong love of reading in young children.

The title is an expression that came out of David Gillespie‘s mouth mid conversation. For him, an unretrievable faux pas and for me, near the very top of my all-time funny moments on a podcast. We covered quite a range of topics in this chat, but maybe the most interesting is David’s claim that the science does not support salt’s bad reputation. In fact, quite the opposite. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Eggs sure have taken a beating over the years (see what I did there?). This is a fun one with Gillespo (the nutritional kill joy) where we unpack the BS surrounding the 'healthy' heart tick, the more current 'health star rating system', and lots more.Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The thinking behind the title is revealed during this convo when Gillespo makes a never-heard-before verbal stumble - and I couldn't have been happier (lol). Among the general Tiff-Dave-Craig chit-chat, we manage to talk about how Australia is now the second-highest consumer of methamphetamine (meth) in the world, what's driving it, how it happened and what we might do about it. FYI, last year Aussies consumed 523 million doses of meth at a cost of $11 billion!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We're all aware by now that social media, doom scrolling and broadly speaking - smart phone addiction are hijacking attention, downgrading brains (cognitive performance), impacting mental health, decreasing social skills and changing the way we do (and don't) interact and communicate. Well, good ol' Gillespo has written a new book - not only about the predicament we find ourselves in - but also about how we might begin to undo some of the damage and turn it around. Great chat, great book and great real-world solutions and strategies. Enjoy.Booktopia: The Attention Recovery PlanSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

According to David Gillespie, artificial and "sugar-free" sweeteners are not the harmless alternatives we've been led to believe they are. Of course you’re not surprised. In fact, they're really sh*t. Scientifically speaking. Apparently, they hijack the brain's expectation of energy, leading to increased hunger and overeating, and may also disrupt gut health and metabolism. More recent compounds - like sugar alcohols and "keto" sweeteners - are framed as potentially more dangerous, with emerging research suggesting links to blood clots and cardiovascular risk. The core message in this episode is that there's no "free lunch" in biology - sweetness without energy comes with consequences. Which is personally very annoying, 'cause I inhale that sh*t. Sorry to disappoint you. I’ll try harder.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this confronting and timely conversation, I sit down with Gillespo to unpack a landmark legal case that could change everything. For the first time, a jury has held tech giants like Meta Platforms Inc. and YouTube accountable - not for what's on their platforms, but for how they're designed. We explore the idea of "weaponised attention," the psychology behind infinite scroll, beauty filters, and algorithmic validation, and why developing brains don't stand a chance against billion-dollar systems engineered to hijack them. This isn't just about kids. It's about all of us. Are we using technology... or is it using us?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is a special episode of the Prescribing Lifestyle podcast, created as part of #Podcasthon 2026—the world's largest podcast charity initiative. For one week, thousands of podcasters around the globe highlight a charity of their choice to raise awareness and inspire support, with no money flowing through Podcasthon itself. For this year's Podcasthon, I'm shining a spotlight on Low Carb Down Under @lowcarb_aus, a grassroots Australian organisation that has quietly educated millions about real food, metabolic health, and low carbohydrate nutrition through conferences and a huge free video library. In this episode, I'm joined by Dr Rod Tayler, anaesthetist and founder of Low Carb Down Under. Rod shares his personal journey from sugar awareness in the 1990s to building one of the world's biggest low-carb education platforms—long before "metabolic health" became mainstream. In this conversation, we cover Rod's personal story How a colleague's recommendation of Sweet Poison by David Gillespie led him to cut sugar, lose weight, and resolve irritable bowel symptoms. Running a 3‑month "sugar reduction" study with 158 Epworth Hospital staff—using a one‑page sugar calculator—and what happened to sugar intake and weight. The birth of Low Carb Down Under Discovering the global low carb community after the study hit page 3 of The Sunday Age. Attending a Caribbean low-carb cruise conference and meeting pioneers like Eric Westman, Jeff Volek, Andreas Eenfeldt and others. Co-creating the first Low Carb Down Under events in Brisbane and then across Australia, and later co‑organising conferences in the US (including in Vail and Denver). Growing the YouTube channel to over 600+ talks and tens of millions of views, all ad‑free, covering diabetes, cholesterol, dementia, gut health, practical implementation and more. Why low carb matters for almost everyone How sugar and refined carbohydrates drive obesity, type 2 diabetes, fatty liver and metabolic ill-health. Metabolic syndrome markers: waist circumference, blood pressure, triglycerides, HDL and glucose/insulin control—and why around 90% of adults show at least one marker. Why low-carb / real-food eating can be a powerful tool for improving or reversing metabolic dysfunction, and why Rod believes it should be part of standard care. New US Dietary Guidelines & metabolic health The recent U.S. Dietary Guidelines for Americans update that flips the old pyramid—bringing meat, eggs, cheese and healthy fats back to the centre and reducing emphasis on refined carbohydrate intake. The role of the new Coalition for Metabolic Health and the Baszucki family's philanthropy in pushing for evidence-based nutrition policy and metabolic health research. Why Low Carb Down Under needs support Low Carb Down Under runs as a non-profit, volunteer-driven project. Funds from Patreon and donations help cover conference recording, video production, hosting, and ongoing content creation so that all talks remain freely available worldwide. About Low Carb Down Under Low Carb Down Under is an Australian initiative that: Organises in-person low-carb and metabolic health conferences across Australia. Hosts one of the world's most comprehensive free low‑carb video libraries on YouTube. Connects doctors, dietitians, scientists and the general public who are interested in evidence-based low-carbohydrate nutrition and metabolic health.

How does tech addiction actually work? Biochemically? Practically? Behaviourally? Is it an actual addiction like booze, drugs, porn and gambling, just a bad habit, or something else? What is the ever-evolving relationship between technology the phenomenal rise of mental health issues? Are there strategies, practical processes and tools we can use to make a dent in the problem, or maybe even better? Can we turn it around? This chat with Gillespo wasn't a "solution" or magic pill to an extensive, society-wide issue but for many it will be very relevant and for some, possibly a timely lightbulb. In the middle of this episode, I realised have some changes to make and I'm thankful for the chat.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When it comes to the “good and bad fats” story and how it all relates to cholesterol, heart disease and all-cause mortality, whose funding what research? What’s being revealed in the research that doesn’t make it to the research papers? And why? Well, it seems I there may have been a few omissions, blatant lies, misdirects (as in magic), manipulation of data and let’s be honest, scientific fuckery. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I love all my Gillespo chats but I especially loved this one. I (we) got to peek behind the cognitive curtain and get an insight into how he thinks (and why), how he does his research, why he doesn't want you to trust him, differentiating good science from bad, and how to know the difference between (1) evidence and data and (2) opinion and story dressed up as science. As many of you know, he and I have an ongoing fun p*ss-take (mainly him taking it out of me) but if I'm honest, he has a pretty supersonic analytical brain. Zero emotions... but great Prefrontal Cortex (lol). Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

According to our resident kill-joy, best-selling author and revealer of unpopular truths, bacon might not be the death sentence some "experts" proport it to be. In fact, it might even be good for us. Incredible, I know. But don't believe me, take a read of Gillespo's article - just do a Google search for Substack and the above title. In this episode, we talk about the bacon revelation and lots more, so dive and enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

For this episode, I sit down with TYP regular David Gillespie to unpack his provocative piece - The Statin Delusion. We talk about how modern medicine increasingly treats health as a deficiency of medication, why Australia leads the world in statin prescriptions, and how shifting cholesterol goalposts have medicalised the "worried well." Gillespo challenges the assumed life-saving power of statins in healthy people, explains the surprisingly small benefits, and walks through the real metabolic, muscular, cognitive, and diabetes-related risks. It's a blunt conversation about fear, pharma, guidelines, and whether prevention has quietly become harm. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Worthy of the bile that has been tossed its way...or an unpretentious fun adventure that is unfairly maligned? You mean to say you've been INTERVIEWING me?

There's a vaccine given to new-born bubs to protect them against Hepatitis B because if they are unvaccinated and happen to get Hep. B when they're young, it often leads to life-long health problems and in too many instances, liver cancer. Well with that in mind, there's been recent conversations about a potential link between this particular vaccine and Autism and under the guidance(?) of RFK, it seems that moving forward the advice for American parents will be to avoid the Hep. B vaccine. Not a mandate but nonetheless, a recommendation. As always with Gillespo (and Tiff), we also cover other stuff and had a particularly fun moment. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This was a fun - if somewhat combative episode of TYP - where Gillespo and I didn’t see eye to eye on everything (shocker) but definitely had fun exploring the pros and cons, benefits and threats, knowns, and unknowns of Al. Especially as we move into a version of humanity that will be (already is?) intertwined with a rapidly evolving form of intelligence that has zero empathy, never gets tired, doesn't 'feel’ anything and doesn't need food, rest, sleep or emotional support. I'm equally scared and excited. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

According to Gillespo, us blokes are producing less and less swimmers, fertility levels are plummeting and in the not-too-distant future, couples ability to be able to produce offspring could be dependant on some kind of medical intervention. It's a good thing l'm a hundred years past my use-by date. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

For years, "Stage 3" toddler milk has been the food industry's most brilliant, cynical, and profitable loophole. It was a legal way to hook parents on a brand, all while selling them a sugary, unnecessary product. Now, that loophole is snapping shut. In Australia, it just destroyed a 30-year regulatory agreement. And in the US, it's the target of a new fraud lawsuit that's smarter, sharper, and far more dangerous than the "ultra-processed" cases that have already failed. The industry's celebrated loophole isn't just becoming its noose; it's the key that could unlock the industry's entire playbook of deception. *Copy thanks to Gillespo.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

To be honest, I felt a little unqualified (and I am) to have this chat exploring the potential relationship between women who do or don't breastfeed, and how that might affect their chances of being affected by breast cancer. Nonetheless, it was an important and fascinating conversation which was prompted by some very recent research. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A throwaway New Series Adventure or a moving lesson in the human races extinction list? We tackle the thorny subject of extinction, of museums, and of conservation in this surprisingly touching book.

The maddest, most contentious, most laughter filled Strictly yet! How can the fag end of Hartnell provoke so many potent opinions?

This time around, we chat about Transcranial Electrical Stimulation (TES) - say that ten times fast. The TGA has just approved TES for treating things like mental health (anxiety, depression, addiction), physical pain, motor learning issues, stroke recovery and fatigue. We also talk about carrots, Tiff's anger issues, and David's lack of respect for my research skills. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This was a fascinating conversation about some medical news (controversy?) currently doing the rounds about pregnant women supplementing with folate and a potential link to gestational diabetes and (in other news...) pregnant women using paracetamol for pain management and a potential link to Autism (according a certain President). I'm sure you know what I'm talking about but before you dive in, let me remind you that two dudes (and Tiff) chatting on a podcast about this stuff on no level qualifies as medical advice. Interesting though.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What has happened to our favourite lines? Fisher rewrites a rewrite and then rewrites Tom Baker's rewrite! But with charming prose, glorious backstory and some brilliant new jokes. A piece of sunshine.

This episode revealed to the world that Tiff has a history of dating psychopaths. Fortunately, it seems to be a phase she's now moved through but nonetheless, our resident Rain Man (Gillespo) was able to provide Tiff with some insights into (1) why she may have done that and (2) how to avoid it happening in the future. We also covered a range of weird and interesting, but unrelated topics. You know when you get a bunch of random things from the fridge, throw them all together and make a meal that nobody has ever made before? Well, this show was a conversational version of that meal.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode, Gillespo describes boys and men as the four-wheel drive (4WD) version of humans. It was kind of an insult-compliment combo. It'll make sense when you listen. This was a comfortable and very informal ramble but I think you'll enjoy it. Among others things, we spoke about similarities and dissimilarities between the males and females of the species as they move from childhood to adolescence - looking through a biological, cognitive, cultural, social, and behavioural lens. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

If you suffer from migraines, or you know someone who does, please listen to this episode (or get them to). I don't want to spoil the show, so I'm going to opt for "less is more" but the I think the information, insight, and science that Gillespo downloads in this chat could - for some people - be life-changing. The only story l'll share here is that Gillespo's wife - who experienced multiple debilitating migraines every month over the course of her entire life - made one simple change (no drugs) in 2014, and since that time, has not had one single migraine (zero!) in eleven years. Obviously, people can respond differently to the same 'treatment' but there is also some amazing recent research (which we discuss) from The British Medical Journal which aligns with Gillespo's hypothesis. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Joe is kind of impressed...and irritated. Gareth is keeping his two star rating. Dan was really getting into this...and then the murder began. And David, hosting this week, finds the whole thing a bit of a chore...

A stunning latter day New Adventure that is written with mature prose, compelling characters and a surprising plot that defies all your expectations of the range.

This was a fun episode exploring everything from the new more 'affordable’ addictions, the changing habits (pun intended) of addicted Aussies, the science of starting a cult, Epstein Island, the death of cigarettes, how to hijack a young brain, Gillespo's new book and lots more. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

"Blokes can become a dad at any age" is the story most of us have been told. And while it's kind-of true, it's only part of the story. And who better to pull back the metaphoric curtain on the truth about ageing swimmers than our resident researcher, feather-ruffler and award-winning author, David Gillespie. Also (at no extra cost) we chat about the science behind fish oils and their alleged health benefits. It appears we may have been somewhat mislead so when it comes to their magical powers. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This was one of my favourite chats with David and Tiff. It was super interesting and the great man's giant intellect and expansive knowledge never ceases to amaze me. We spoke about starting a cult, the psychotic nature of business and religion, the controversial storyline twist in the new Toy Story film (no. 5), the likelihood of Universal Basic Income (UBI) becoming a reality in Australia, the (potential) impending Al-driven unemployment crisis and I recommend my all-time favourite book on cults. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You probably won't be surprised when I tell you that the incidence and diagnosis of ADHD has increased a bazillion percent over the last two decades (well about 1,100 percent in Australia, to be more accurate). According to Gillespo, it's got something to do with our 'dopamine set point' and also marketing people who are strategically trying to hijack our brain and attention, and what better way to do that than with the thing many of you are currently holding in your hand? Some of the info and insights that David shared in this chat are absolute revelations. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gout is a form of inflammatory arthritis caused by high levels of uric acid in the blood - 'once called the disease of Kings' because only rich people got it - and over the last decade or two, new cases have exploded across all social, cultural and financial demographics (so not just rich people). Historically, it was believed that gout was caused by eating too much red meat, seafood and dairy but of course, Gillespo is here to dispel that thinking and talk about the real culprit. Sugar, of course.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gillespo and the old-bodgey lifter of heavy things opened the protein door and had some fun exploring the science, the stories, the misinformation, the assumptions and the challenges for people eating certain types of diets. Enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of TYP, Gillespo and I talk about the myriad of factors and variables that influence a couple’s chances for making a baby, declining birth rates, plummeting sperm and testosterone levels and the ever-diminishing chances of becoming a parent. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

According to David Gillespie (and some very reliable research studies), good old-fashioned Paracetamol (Panamax, Panadol, Tylenol) can create the interesting 'side effect' of making people temporarily less empathetic or as DG suggests, “temporary psychopaths!” We also chat about why (and how) Al might soon make 'The You Project' (or at least, the host) redundant. As always this was super interesting.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

No more Meg! But plenty of death! A bus queue mown down! Will Joe & David survive their experience with the asshole of Death?

Meg under fire! Barney attacked! Ransome dribbling coffee! That shot or Channing through the door! The stunning double Scobie cliffhanger! This story has it all.

Meg in action! Don't think I'll have that dirty old box in my house! The Doctor nude! Blood all over the windscreen! Dummies springing to life! Is this a kids show anymore?

Join David & I as we explore the re-imagined Doctor Who for the 70s. The ‘We Stan Meg Seeley' fan club starts here.

Of course Gillespo has written an article (on Substack) about the world's most controversial, talked-about and in-demand drug. So of course we chat about the magic product(?) that tells your brain you're full (so you eat less), slows down digestion (so you stay full longer) and lowers blood sugar levels (helps diabetics manage insulin). We should probably also mention the potential side-effects of nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, constipation, stomach pain and bloating, loss of appetite, fatigue, burping and acid reflux. Oh, and muscle loss, but who needs muscle?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Gillespo's back talking about his tuba career (it was short-lived), his reluctant piano years, his total lack of musical aptitude (and tone-deafness) and he throws some shade at the validity of the 'ten thousand hours of practice makes perfect' theory (to be honest, l'm with him). We also talk about an amazing molecule (Molecule of the Year in 1992) that can blow sh*t up (literally), treat numerous cardiovascular issues (like angina) and is also used (broadly) to help blokes get an... ahem. you know. Enjoy the chat. Erection. Couldn't help m'self.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Well, this chat was a steep learning curve for the old bogan from Latrobe Valley. In this episode, Gillespo and I discuss the fascinating and complex history of the birth control pill - how a scientific breakthrough, a feminist movement, and a social revolution collided to change the world. But we also explore the unintended consequences, particularly for teenage girls. While the pill has empowered millions, emerging research suggests it may also pose serious risks to mental health, brain development, and long-term reproductive well-being. We dive into the hidden costs of hormonal contraception, why teenage brains are uniquely vulnerable, and whether the medicalisation of puberty is doing more harm than good. Are we too quick to prescribe the pill for acne, cramps, and irregular periods? And what alternatives should young women consider? This conversation is about science, ethics, and the delicate balance between freedom and risk. Whether you're a parent, a doctor, or someone who has taken the pill yourself, this chat might make you think differently about a drug that has shaped modern society. It’s an eye-opening discussion about empowerment, hormones, and the truth behind the tiny tablet that changed everything.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Imagine growing up in the Gillespie household; no chemicals, no processed food, no seed oils, lots of cow, chook and fish in the fridge, probably some weird kind of filtered water, and definitely not a gram of sugar in sight. This was a fun chat where the feather ruffler and I put the Australian Healthy Eating Guidelines under the microscope and also took a run at a few other controversial topics. Enjoy.substack.com/@davidgillespie147423See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Who knew! Regularly eating eggs supports a lower risk of cardiovascular disease-related death (no, not a typo). New research from a Monash University-led team has found that a daily egg (instead of one a week) is associated with a 29 per cent lower risk of cardiovascular disease-related death in relatively healthy older adults. Gillespo loves this sh*t and as he so often does, he took to the nutritional dinosaurs with a verbal baseball bat over the revelation that not only won't daily eggs kill you, they're (statistically) likely to make you live longer. And in other breaking news, he's also a fan of adding (not removing) salt from our diet ('course he is). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Captain Kill-Joy is back telling us what we can't eat and why. To be honest, he makes some pretty valid arguments and along the way, tells us what crackers (dry biscuits) are terrible and what are okay-ish (I say ‘ish'), why Coco Pops (with 24% sugar) get an astounding government-sanctioned 4 Health Stars (WTAF?), why not all calories are equal and why Gillespo suggests that inverting the health rating system (eating all the one-star foods) might not be the worst plan. Enjoy. https://dgillespie.substack.com/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When you think of a psychopath, you probably imagine someone like serial killer Ivan Milat. But according to David Gillespie, it's more likely to be your boss or your grandma. Five to 10 per cent of the population qualify as psychopathic, and the rate can be as high as 20 per cent among corporate leaders and politicians. So how do you spot them? What do you do if you have to work for or with them, or better yet, date them? Grab a cup of tea and get ready to go ‘OH MY GOD’... THE END BITS Your host is Mia Freedman. With thanks to special guest David Gillespie Find Taming Toxic People: The Science of Identifying and Dealing with Psychopaths at apple.co/mamamia This podcast was produced by Elissa Ratliff CONTACT US Listen to more No Filter interviews here and follow us on Instagram here. Discover more Mamamia podcasts here. Feedback: podcast@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message, and one of our Podcast Producers will get back to you ASAP. Rate or review us on Apple by clicking on the three dots in the top right-hand corner, click Go To Show then scroll down to the bottom of the page, click on the stars at the bottom and write a review. Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culturesBecome a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Have you ever been love-bombed by a romantic partner only to have them go cold as soon as they’ve snagged you? Have you ever been in a relationship with someone who made you feel crazy because of their ability to seem SO great in front of the neighbours but be SO different behind closed doors? What about a boss who steals your ideas, your thunder and your inspiration…Or a parent who always made your life about them? According to our guest today, chances are you’ve been tussling with a Narcissist. Narcissism is a word that has well and truly entered the zeitgeist but how well do we really understand it? What are the red flags? What do we DO if we realise we’re in a relationship with one? Margi Bowden is a counsellor and coach and, importantly, a Narcissism expert and she has ALL the answers for you. You can learn more about Margi’s work by following her on Instagram Listen to our episode with Patric Gagne about life as a sociopath here Listen to our episode with David Gillespie about psychopaths here THE END BITS: Listen to more No Filter interviews here and follow us on Instagram here. Discover more Mamamia podcasts here. Feedback: podcast@mamamia.com.au Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message, and one of our Podcast Producers will get back to you ASAP. Rate or review us on Apple by clicking on the three dots in the top right-hand corner, click Go To Show then scroll down to the bottom of the page, click on the stars at the bottom and write a review. CREDITS: Host: Holly Wainwright Executive Producer: Naima Brown Producer: Tahli Blackman Audio Producer: Jacob Round Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culturesBecome a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.