Food is the New Rock

Ep. 200 - It's only fitting that our 200th episode is at Outside Lands, one of the best music and food tests in the country. We caught up with Chef Stuart Brioza, who runs the acclaimed SF restaurant State Bird Provisions along with his wife Nicole Krasinksi, to chat about music behind the Gastro Magic stage.

Ep. 200 - It's only fitting that our 200th episode is at Outside Lands, one of the best music and food tests in the country. We caught up with Chef Stuart Brioza, who runs the acclaimed SF restaurant State Bird Provisions along with his wife Nicole Krasinksi, to chat about music behind the Gastro Magic stage.

Ep. 199 - This week's guest is artist and Hip Hop producer extraordinaire, Dan the Automator (Deltron 3030, Gorillaz, Handsome Boy Modeling School). He's not only worked with a ton of artists over the years, but he's befriended a bunch of chefs- including David Chang, who appears on the latest Deltron 3030 album. We met up with him at a coffee shop in SF just before Outside Lands to talk all about that, plus he tells us about the time he introduced Michael Stipe to Momofuku.

Ep. 199 - This week's guest is artist and Hip Hop producer extraordinaire, Dan the Automator (Deltron 3030, Gorillaz, Handsome Boy Modeling School). He's not only worked with a ton of artists over the years, but he's befriended a bunch of chefs- including David Chang, who appears on the latest Deltron 3030 album. We met up with him at a coffee shop in SF just before Outside Lands to talk all about that, plus he tells us about the time he introduced Michael Stipe to Momofuku.

Ep. 198 - Comedian Jimmy Pardo, host of the Never Not Funny podcast, is this week's podcast guest... our very first for the Headgum Podcast Network (our new home!) Zach unlocks all of Jimmy's food issues, before they bond over their shared love of Chicago and Styx.

Ep. 198 - Comedian Jimmy Pardo, host of the Never Not Funny podcast, is this week's podcast guest... our very first for the Headgum Podcast Network (our new home!) Zach unlocks all of Jimmy's food issues, before they bond over their shared love of Chicago and Styx.

Ep. 197 - Singer/Songwriter (and Nickel Creek fiddler!) Sara Watkins is this week's podcast guest. We talk to her about licorice, what the food is like at Prairie Home Companion, and whether or not shrimp belongs in jello- a topic brought up due to the crazy food enhanced video for "Move Me", the first single off her new album.

Ep. 196 - Comedian/musician/internet celebrity Ali Spagnola is this week's podcast guest. We talk about what it's like to eat five dozen oysters in one sitting, buffet strategies, Pittsburgh sandwiches, and how she stays incredibly ripped.

Ep. 195 - Country music star Jason Aldean's drummer Rich Redmond is this week's guest. He's not just a drummer, but an actor, author and motivational speaker who does drummer seminars called Crash Courses (which you can learn about at www.richredmond.com). He also likes eating, and we talk to him about what it's like finding food on tour and in Nashville- where he spends most of his time.

Ep. 194 - Jiro Dreams of Sushi director David Gelb is this week's podcast guest. We talk to him about how music and food came together in a magical way for his breakout hit documentary about sushi (that was really about so much more than sushi.) He also tells us about growing up in NYC with a dad who was not only a big part of the classical music scene, but ended up Managing the Metropolitan Opera House. He also gives us a sneak preview of Season 2-4 of Chef's Table, the new series he's working on for Netflix and a special documentary involved Steve Aoki that he just finished. Season 2 of Chef's Table premieres May 27th with episodes about Grant Achatz (Alinea), Alex Atala (Dom), Dominique Crenn (Aterlier Crenn) and more.

Ep. 193 - Comedian Jensen Karp is this week's podcast guest to promote his forthcoming book "Kanye West Owes me $300: And Other True Stories About a White Rapper Who Almost Made it Big". He's known as a comedian, an art gallery owner (Gallery 1988) and author, and in the late 90s he was an up and coming rap star named Hot Karl, with a $1 million dollar record deal w/ Interscope Records. We talk Passover, Hot Karl's rider, eating at Mel's Diner w/ Kanye West and Jensen's favorite spots in L.A. This episode is brought to you by Casper Mattresses. Go to http://Casper.com/FOOD for $50 towards any mattress.

Ep. 192 - We spent this past weekend eating our way through Coachella and figured we'd bring you along for the ride. To recap the weekend food food and music as it happened, Zach was joined by Jeff Miller from Thrillist LA and Josh Scherer, the Associate Food Editor of Los Angeles Magazine who before this weekend HAD NEVER BEEN TO A CONCERT. (Yes, you read that right.) So naturally we ask him about that.

Ep. 191 - Sam Mason

Ep. 190 - Vampire Weekend's Chris Baio is this week's podcast guest, the last of our conversation recorded live at SxSw. We talk about London food, and his obsession with gummy candies, plus ask him whether or not he's gotten to eat Rostam's mom's cooking (she's a world famous cookbook author.)Create a fantastic-looking website using WEEBLY. Join the over thirty million people who are already dreaming big - get started today for FREE at http://Weebly.com/food.

Ep. 189 - The Infatuation has become an influential food voice over the past few years, thanks in large part to their widely used #EEEEEATS hashtag on Instagram. But what few of their fans realize is, just like Zach, their founders got their start in the music industry. Andrew Steinthal and Chris Stang created The Infatuation while working at major record labels in New York. In fact they're responsible for getting us our very first podcast guest- Mike D from the Beastie Boys. We talk to them about that, plus have them recount the story of the creation of Infatuation and find out what lessons they learned from the music business that they translated to the food business. And then, of course, at the end we ask them for Instagram tips. This episode was recorded live @ SxSw in front of small audience as part of Southbites.

Ep. 188 - Comedian Jon Gabrus (High & Mighty, Comedy Bang Bang) returns to the show this week for his very own episode recorded LIVE at SxSw. We eat Salt & Straw chocolate tacos and talk about how years ago he lost out on the Man vs. Food hosting gig to Adam Richman. Plus he treats us to an amazing imitation of Guy Fieri.

Ep. 187 - We're giving you two episodes this week!!! How lucky are you? This past weekend we recorded 4 episodes live at SxSw, which we'll be releasing over the next few weeks. But we didn't want you to have to wait an entire week to hear the first one... so here it is, our conversation with Chef Aaron Sanchez (of Chopped fame) live at SxSw. He tells us about how he got to grow up surrounded by musicians eating at his house (his mom is famous chef in her own right) before having a serious conversation about how difficult it is to run a restaurant these days. And we recreate the cannibalism conversation we had the first time we podcasted (an interview we did with Aaron a few years back that famously didn't record).

Ep. 186 - This week's guest is not just famous for hosting season 2 of PBS' Mind of a Chef, or winning a James Beard Award, or even his Charleston restaurant Husk- which is famous for its effort to preserve heritage southern ingredients and dishes (and now has a second location in Nashville.) He's famous for all of those things! Plus an incredible knowledge of bourbon. We talk about all of that plus his love of folk art, outlaw country music, and late 80s hip hop. Plus he admits to something involving Vanilla Ice that will shock even the most knowledgeable Sean Brock fans. Big thanks to the All Star Chef Classic for bringing him to L.A. last week so we could get a chance to sit down with him and chat music.Create a fantastic-looking website using WEEBLY. Join the over thirty million people who are already dreaming big - get started today for FREE at http://Weebly.com/food.HelloFresh is the meal kit delivery service that makes cooking fun, easy, and convenient! For $35 off your first week of deliveries, visit http://hellofresh.com and enter FOOD when you subscribe!

Ep. 185 - Actress Kiernan Shipka is this week's guest, who you likely know as Don Draper's daughter Sally from Mad Men. But what you may not know (unless you're a creepy Instagram stalker like Zach) she's also a LEGIT food fan. We talk donuts, dim sum, Paris, and L.A. restaurants, plus she shares with us her most recent bang bang (which involved donuts and dim sum.) She also starred in the ABC Family movie "Fan Girl" where she played the part of a teenage girl obsessed with the band "All Time Low", so we asked her about that too... you know... because music. Create a fantastic-looking website using WEEBLY. Join the over thirty million people who are already dreaming big - get started today for FREE at http://Weebly.com/food.

Ep. 184 -Writer Allen Salkin is this week's podcast guest, and we change things up a bit. Normally we talk to a chef about music or a music about food, but this week Zach goes off script a bit to chat mostly about the food business. Salkin's New York Times article about New York food blogging in 2007 put Midtown Lunch on the map, so the conversation starts there, before veering into the Food Network (he wrote the definitive book on the subject), the Jonathan Gold documentary City of Gold (which both he and Zach are in) and then at the very end they talk a little about music.

Ep. 183 - Chef Craig Thornton returns to the podcast to tell us all about his brand new project at MOCA. Titled Wolvesmouth: TAXA, it's a combination restaurant/art gallery featuring works of art created by Craig himself. It runs from March to July and is pretty much the longest regularly scheduled food thing he's done in a really really long time. Get more info and tickets at http://wolvesmouth.com

Ep. 182 - This week we welcome hip hop sketch comedians Jeff and Eric Rosenthal aka itsthereal to the podcast. They've got their own podcast "A Waste of Time w/ itsthereal" where they have rappers over to their apartment and cook for them- so naturally we talked a lot about that. Plus a lot of other stuff. If you like hip hop, And Jews you'll love this episode.Create a fantastic-looking website using WEEBLY. Join the over thirty million people who are already dreaming big - get started today for FREE at http://Weebly.com/food.

Ep. 181 - New York Chef and Food Network personality Amanda Freitag is this week's podcast guest. We talked about how she hopped from extra curricular activity to extra curricular activity in high school before finally settling in on home-ec as her calling. We also talked about Bowie (seems to be a theme these days), Springsteen, her parents 8 track collection, and her love of Portugal the Man. Then, at the end of the episode, she plays the piano for us. Let Selfie Station be the Picture taker, Ice breaker AND your money maker. As a special introductory offer, get $500 off the professional package. Go to http://SelfieStationpodcast.com and enter promo code FOOD.Create a fantastic-looking website using WEEBLY. Join the over thirty million people who are already dreaming big - get started today for FREE at http://Weebly.com/food.

Ep. 180 - Wine Enthusiast's 2014 Winemaker of the Year, Charles Smith is this week's podcast guest. We talk about his early days as a tour manager for musicians as well as the music he grew up listening to, all while drinking some of his delicious wine. We also found out how he got Jerry Lee Lewis to play the opening of his brand new urban winery Jet City in Seattle. Get more info about his wines at http://www.charlessmithwines.com **********************Special thanks to our sponsorsAudible.com - Get a free 30 day trial and free audiobook today by signing up at http://www.audible.com/FOODandSelfie Station - Get $500 off the professional package at http://www.selfiestationpodcast.com using the promo code FOOD.

Ep. 179 - VICE host, Toronto Chef, and walking tattoo gallery Matty Matheson is this week's podcast guest. We talk about all the metal shows he went to growing up, all the partying he did with his friends' bands on tour, and how he's tried to recreate that atmosphere at his restaurant in Toronto (Parts and Labour.) Plus he tells us all about the time he was punched in the stomach for an album cover. Thanks to this week's sponsor, Selfie Station. Go to http://SelfieStationpodcast.com and use the promo code FOOD to get $500 off the professional package.

Ep. 178 - Jona and Claire from Yacht, or as Zach likes to call them "my favorite vegans of all time", return to the podcast to talk about the future of food. They talk fake mayo, Baroo (this incredible new restaurant in Los Angeles), and their app 5 Everyday- which is a must download for anybody who lives or is visiting Los Angeles. Thanks to this week's sponsor, Selfie Station. Go to http://SelfieStationpodcast.com and use the promo code FOOD to get $500 off the professional package.

Ep. 177 - You might know this week's guest Phil Rosenthal as the creator of the long running sitcom Everybody Loves Raymond, or the star of the hilarious documentary Exporting Raymond. But his real passion is food, and nowhere is that more apparent than on his brand new PBS TV show "I'll Have What Phil's Having". We talk to him about his Mom's love of opera, his obsession with Springsteen, and the time he met Paul McCartney.

Ep. 176 - If you know Dexter Holland, it is likely as the spiky haired lead singer of the seminal pop punk band The Offspring. But did you also know that he has his own line of hot sauces called Gringo Bandito? Zach sits down with him to talk all things hot sauce, including how he got into the business and what his thoughts are about other hot sauces. Then, half way through the interview our friend Jeff Miller (Editor of Thrilist in L.A. and lead singer of the Black Crystal Wolf Kids) shows up with a dozen donuts from Blue Star, and the podcast turns into anarchy as the three of us just start stuffing our faces with hot sauce topped everything.

Ep. 175 - Chef Russell Moore might not be a household name around the country, but in Northern California he is well known for her 20 years spent cooking at Chez Panisse, and his new restaurant Camino in Oakland. His cookbook "This is Camino" was named one of the best of 2015 by Bon Appetit and others. But what you may not have known about Chef Russell Moore is that he grew up going to punk shows in and around Redondo Beach, including the legendary Black Flag show at The Fleetwood. He tells us all about that, plus the times he appeared on TV shows as a "punk rock kid". Win a copy of THIS IS CAMINO, as part of our Holiday Gift Guide Prize Pack, along with The Food Lab by J. Kenji Lopez Alt, the Big Gay Ice Cream cookbook, bags of Marley Coffee, and copies of Momofuku Milk Bar + Milk Bar Life signed by Christina Tosi. For details go to http://www.foodisthenewrock.com

Ep. 174 - It's that time of year again... with 2016 just weeks away, we recap the year that was in food (and music). Zach is joined by The Stew podcast host Jason Stewart (aka DJ Them Jeans), Thrillist LA editor Jeff Miller, and Eater LA editor Matt Kang to talk about their favorite meals, cookbooks and albums of the year. Then, at the end of the show, we give our gift recommendations for the food and music lovers in your life. PLUS, we've got a cookbook prize pack to give away. To enter to win, go to http://foodisthenewrock.com

Ep. 173 - Comedian Randy Liedtke comes on the podcast this week to talk food (and a little music?) We ask him about his iPhone cookie prank, his ideal burger blend, and his time as a barista. Plus he tells us all about the sandwich that graces the cover of his new album "I'm on a Roll", and his plans to enter a chili cook off and wreak havoc. Jeff Miller, from the band Black Crystal Wolf Kids, joins us as co-host.

Ep. 172 - Chefs Duff Goldman (from Ace of Cakes) and Bruce Kalman (from Union in Pasadena, CA) make their return to the podcast, this time together as part of the newly formed alt-rock cover band FOIE GROCK. Along with drummer Francis Castagnetti (also from Union), Guitarist Ben Offenberg (from Resy), and pro musician Jeff Liffman, the band talks about how they came together, and what their plans for the future are. Plus, at the end, they do an acoustic version of a Foo Fighters song. Their 2nd concert is Thursday, December 3rd at the Hotel Cafe in Los Angeles, CA. Get your tickets at http://www.hotelcafe.com

Ep. 171 - The one and only MOBY returns to the podcast to talk about his brand new vegan restaurant Little Pine, which opened last week in the Silverlake neighborhood of Los Angeles. He's not doing the cooking, but he's been involved in every aspect of the restaurant, including the design, and curation of a small store in the front. We also talk to him about how difficult L.A. makes it for people opening new restaurants. Then, at the very end we talk about his relationship with Thanksgiving, which can be a pretty traumatizing holiday for Vegans.

Ep. 170 - This week's guest is James Beard Award winning Chef (and Top Chef judge) Hugh Acheson, known for his restaurants in Atlanta and Athens, GA. We talk to him about In N Out Burger, the great music scene in Athens, and the Coolio cookbook (which he has cooked out of.)

Ep. 169 - The band formerly known as Dale Earnhardt Jr. Jr. returns to the podcast, with a new name and a new self titled album called "JR JR" We pick up where we left off 2 1/2 years ago, jumping in w/ Daniel & Josh to talk sushi, Detroit restaurants, and delivery pizza. Plus more all you can eat buffet rules. We're joined by guest co-host Jeff Miller from Thrillist LA and the band the Black Crystal Wolf Kids.

Ep. 168 - This week's podcast guest is J. Kenji Lopez Alt, the Managing Culinary Director of Serious Eats and author of the recently released cookbook THE FOOD LAB (an instant classic, and a must have book for any home cook.) We talk to Kenji about his obsession with the Beatles, how he almost became a professional musician, and his love of karaoke.Directly after the episode, stick around for a preview of EGG ROLL HUNT, Zach's audio quest to find the Grateful Dead fatty egg rolls he's been talking about on the podcast for the past 3 years. The entire thing is now available at http://HOWL.FM. Use the promo code EGGROLL for a free month.

Ep. 167 - EDM fans need no introduction to this week's guest, the legendary DJ/Producer and founder of Dim Mak records, Steve Aoki. While food fans have likely heard of his equally legendary father and founder of Benihana, the late Rocky Aoki. We met up with Steve at Ledlow in Downtown L.A. where he shared with us some of the lessons he learned from his dad, and told us about the Vegan co-op he lived in during college, the restaurants he now owns, and what a day in his life is like. And obviously we talked to him about how he became so good at throwing sheet cakes.

Ep. 166 - Hear us podcast live at the East Side Food Fest this past weekend with special guests Noelle Scaggs from Fitz & the Tantrums, DJ Them Jeans (aka Jason Stewart), Chef Zach Pollack from Alimento in Los Angeles, and Nguyen Tran from Starry Kitchen. We talk about Starry Kitchen's journey from an illegal take out spot in a North Hollywood apartment to their latest iteration inside an Echo Park "Bar-cade". Zach Pollack goes off on Yelpers (especially the ones that bitch about his restaurant's water charge), and Noelle tells us some her favorite places to eat near where she grew up. And Jason tries to pry the secret to making a perfect chicken liver mousse out of Chef Pollack (with a very tiny degree of success.)

Ep. 165 - Legendary Kiss guitarist Paul Stanley is this week's podcast guest. Not only is he part owner in the chain Rock & Brews, but he is also a great cook. We talk to him about the food his mom made for him growing up, the wood fire brick oven he has in his house for making pizza, plus his tips on how to make meatballs. And he tells us all about it while taking down a pair of fish tacos at one of the newly opened Rock N Brews in CA.

Ep. 164 - If you are a Walking Dead fan you know this week's guest Emily Kinney as "Beth" but did you also know that she's a super talented singer/songwriter? Her new album "This is War" is out now, and for the first half of the podcast we treat her like any other musician guest, asking her about her love of coffee, the food she eats on tour, what she cooks, and who has better catering: Walking Dead or Masters of Sex (ok maybe that last one isn't something we ask every other musician.) Then, on the second half of the episode, Emily joins us as we count down the Top 10 Greatest Food Moments of the Walking Dead to gear up for the Season 6 premiere this Sunday, October 11th. We start with a burger and fries in a cop car and end with... well... you probably know what we end with. Warning: if you're not caught up with Walking Dead, there are a ton of spoilers.

Ep 163 - Excited to finally have singer Kelis on the podcast, who you probably know as the singer of the Milkshake Song, but did you also know she's a trained Cordon Bleu chef? She has a cookbook coming out this week called "My life on a plate: recipes from around the world" as well as a line of sauces called Bounty & Full and we talk about all of it. Plus, what's better Auntie Anne's or Wetzel's Pretzels.

Ep. 162 - Bob Marley's son Rohan stops by the podcast to tell us his entire life story, from Jamaica to Miami (where he went to the same high school as Zach) to playing football, then back to Jamaica- where he now owns a huge plot of land where coffee is grown.  He has since started Marley Coffee, which he also tells us all about.  

Ep. 161 - This week's podcast guest is Michael Cimarusti, the chef of Connie & Ted's and Providence (which is widely considered the best restaurant in Los Angeles.) We talk to him about reggae (he did a reggae college radio show) and the Grateful Dead, plus argue about whether or not Miley Cyrus has ruined the Flaming Lips.  He tells us about the time John Paul Jones ate at Providence and about Dock to Dish, the new sustainable seafood CSA for restaurants he helped bring to the west coast.  WARNING: This podcast has some serious man on man bonding between Michael and our guest co-host Jeff Miller (L.A. editor of Thrillist).  

Ep. 160 - From A Tribe Called Quest to Chef, Jarobi White returns to the podcast for a second time.  Since we talked to him last year he's started a new company (Eats, Rhymes, Life), was part of the Black Chef Series at BluJeen in Harlem, started a Tribe Taco Tuesday in Bed-Stuy Brooklyn, and was back in L.A. for Labor Day Weekend hosting a BBQ w/ Roy Choi at the Line Hotel in Koreatown.  We talk about all that and Star Wars.

Ep. 159 - On this week's podcast we talk to brothers Keith and Mike Jeffrey from the band Atlas Genius.  Both are avid vegans, so we talk a lot about that, plus Australian fair food, the greatest garlic dip in the entire universe, and the awesomeness of vegemite.  Plus the guys tell us how they got their very own limited edition Atlas Genius donut at DoRite Donuts in Chicago, IL (available until September 11th.)Their new album Inatimate Objects, featuring the song "Molecules", is out now.  

Ep. 158 - Singer/Songwriter/Producer/DJ Matthew Koma is this week's podcast guest.  He's worked with Alesso, Carly Rae Jepsen, Tiesto and Zedd (who he co-wrote Clarity with) and has toured all around the world as a singer and DJ.  We talk to him about coffee, his favorite sushi spot for special friends only, and the place he took his Grandma too in NYC before seeing Lady Gaga in concert.  Plus he admits to being an oatmeal fanatic, and teaches us all about overnight oats.  +++++Tickets are now onsale for the East Side Food Fest, October 18th at Mack Sennet Studios in Los Angeles.  Get more info at http://eastsidefoodfest.com

Ep. 157 - This week's we talk to Nic Adler, who not only runs the Roxy and founded the L.A. Vegan Beer Festival but also curates the food and booze at all of Goldenvoice's major festivals- including Coachella and FYF Fest (which is this weekend.)  We talk to him about all extra focus that music festivals are paying to their food nowadays and the thought process that goes into choosing the vendors for massive festivals like Coachella and FYF.  Nic also talks a little about what it was like growing up on the Sunset Strip as the son of legendary club owner/music manager/record producer Lou Adler and how things have changed food wise over the years.Then, after the podcast, get a sneak peak at our brand new show The Crawl featuring Zach and Jason Stewart (aka DJ Them Jeans) taking you on a dumpling crawl through the San Gabriel Valley.  The full show is available exclusively through HOWL, the brand new premium audio service launched by the people behind Earwolf & Wolfpop.  Get more info at howl.fm and use the promo code CRAWL to get one month free so you can check out the new show we made.  Do it.  Do it.  

Ep. 156 - This past weekend Zach went up to S.F. for Outside Lands, and for the third year in a row we recorded a special podcast from the festival.  This year we were excited to partner with Chefsfeed who let us hang backstage at their GastroMagic stage, eating drinking and interviewing people all weekend long. First we spoke to Chefs Evan & Sara Rich from the excellent S.F. restaurant Rich Table (right after they threw porcini donuts to the crowd while Pat Mahoney from LCD Soundsystem DJ'd).  Then Zach stumbled into former Grateful Dead and Google Chef Charlie Ayers (from Episode 151), followed by the return of Chef Chris Cosentino (Cockscomb) to the show.  Then electronic musician Dan Deacon and artist Emilie Baltz came on to talk about their musical performance involving popsicles as instruments, and the podcast closes out with hilarious Comedian Jon Gabrus (from the High & Mighty podcast). All the photos from the weekend can be found at www.foodisthenewrock.com and coming soon you'll be able to find recommendations from Dan Deacon on the Chefsfeed blog. 

Ep. 155 - Rocker and former Runaway Lita Ford is this week's podcast guest, in advance of her appearance on Chopped.  We learn all about her childhood, how she learned to cook Italian from her mom and learned to fish and hunt from her Dad.  She tells us about all the McDonald's she ate as a member of the Runaways, and how she always felt pressure to stay as thin as the rest of the girls in the band.  Then we talk about the Rock Stars episode of Chopped airing August 18th on the Food Network. 

Ep. 154 - Serious Eats grand poobah Ed Levine is this week's podcast guest.  He recently sold the website to FEXY, and the story of the last 8 years is fascinating.  But even more fascinating was the music career he had before becoming a food writer.  A career which took him from L.A. to Iowa to New York City, and then into the studio with Dr. John.  And we get Ed to tell us the story from the very beginning. It's a must listen for anybody who's ever met Ed (or been obsessed with Serious Eats.) **** We'll be taking a few weeks off for vacation.  Please subscribe to the podcast on iTunes so you'll know when we're back...

Ep. 153 - Emily Saliers is not only one half of the folk rock duo the Indigo Girls but she's also a longtime restauranteur and a self proclaimed lifelone foodie.  We talk to her about her 18 year old Atlanta restaurant Watershed, its storied history, and its famous fried chicken.  Plus she admits to her love of HoJo's clam strips before Zach comes out at the end of the show as a proud Indigo Girls fan.