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Unlock the wisdom of ancient debates and discover how two opposing viewpoints can both hold truth. Our latest episode challenges the notion of conflict resolution within Jewish law, taking inspiration from the timeless arguments between Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel. We explore why the rulings typically follow Beit Hillel and what this teaches us about humility, openness, and respectful debate. These lessons carry parallels to today's public policy discussions and societal tensions, offering fresh insights into navigating modern disagreements.Success doesn't happen overnight, and a friend's remarkable journey from nothing to building a booming business is a testament to this truth. Through their story, we explore the virtues of perseverance and patience, drawing connections to a Talmudic debate on the value of human existence amidst life's challenges. Life isn't without its struggles, but these moments are ripe with potential for spiritual growth and self-reflection. We'll share how the lessons of the Talmud and morning blessings can inspire us to make the most out of our lives.Finally, we celebrate the spiritual over the material, emphasizing the significance of values and humility in our daily lives. Through personal stories and reflections, we discuss the impact of parental attitudes on children's perception of wealth, and the importance of instilling values that transcend materialism. As we wrap up, we extend our heartfelt gratitude for the community's support of the Talmud study class at Torch, encouraging listeners to share the joy of Torah study. Wishing everyone a Shabbos filled with learning, gratitude, and friendship._____________The Thinking Talmudist Podcast shares select teachings of Talmud in a fresh, insightful and meaningful way. Many claim that they cannot learn Talmud because it is in ancient Aramaic or the concepts are too difficult. Well, no more excuses. In this podcast you will experience the refreshing and eye-opening teachings while gaining an amazing appreciation for the divine wisdom of the Torah and the depths of the Talmud.This Episode (#71) of the Thinking Talmudist Podcast is dedicated in honor of Bruce Licht.This Podcast Series is Generously Underwritten by David & Susan MarbinRecorded at TORCH Meyerland in the Levin Family Studios to a live audience on January 31, 2025, in Houston, Texas.Released as Podcast on February 7, 2025_____________DONATE to TORCH: Please consider supporting the podcasts by making a donation to help fund our Jewish outreach and educational efforts at https://www.torchweb.org/support.php. Thank you!_____________SUBSCRIBE and LISTEN to other podcasts by Rabbi Aryeh Wolbe: NEW!! Prayer Podcast: https://prayerpodcast.transistor.fm/episodesJewish Inspiration Podcast: https://inspiration.transistor.fm/episodesParsha Review Podcast: https://parsha.transistor.fm/episodesLiving Jewishly Podcast: https://jewishly.transistor.fm/episodesThinking Talmudist Podcast: https://talmud.transistor.fm/episodesUnboxing Judaism Podcast: https://unboxing.transistor.fm/episodesRabbi Aryeh Wolbe Podcast Collection: https://collection.transistor.fm/episodesFor a full listing of podcasts available by TORCH at https://www.TORCHpodcasts.com_____________EMAIL your questions, comments, and feedback: awolbe@torchweb.org_____________Please visit www.torchweb.org to see a full listing of our outreach and educational resources available in the Greater Houston area!_____________#Talmud, #Humility, #Eruvin, #Shammai, #Hillel ★ Support this podcast ★
Unlock the wisdom of ancient debates and discover how two opposing viewpoints can both hold truth. Our latest episode challenges the notion of conflict resolution within Jewish law, taking inspiration from the timeless arguments between Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel. We explore why the rulings typically follow Beit Hillel and what this teaches us about humility, openness, and respectful debate. These lessons carry parallels to today's public policy discussions and societal tensions, offering fresh insights into navigating modern disagreements.Success doesn't happen overnight, and a friend's remarkable journey from nothing to building a booming business is a testament to this truth. Through their story, we explore the virtues of perseverance and patience, drawing connections to a Talmudic debate on the value of human existence amidst life's challenges. Life isn't without its struggles, but these moments are ripe with potential for spiritual growth and self-reflection. We'll share how the lessons of the Talmud and morning blessings can inspire us to make the most out of our lives.Finally, we celebrate the spiritual over the material, emphasizing the significance of values and humility in our daily lives. Through personal stories and reflections, we discuss the impact of parental attitudes on children's perception of wealth, and the importance of instilling values that transcend materialism. As we wrap up, we extend our heartfelt gratitude for the community's support of the Talmud study class at Torch, encouraging listeners to share the joy of Torah study. Wishing everyone a Shabbos filled with learning, gratitude, and friendship._____________The Thinking Talmudist Podcast shares select teachings of Talmud in a fresh, insightful and meaningful way. Many claim that they cannot learn Talmud because it is in ancient Aramaic or the concepts are too difficult. Well, no more excuses. In this podcast you will experience the refreshing and eye-opening teachings while gaining an amazing appreciation for the divine wisdom of the Torah and the depths of the Talmud.This Episode (#71) of the Thinking Talmudist Podcast is dedicated in honor of Bruce Licht.This Podcast Series is Generously Underwritten by David & Susan MarbinRecorded at TORCH Meyerland in the Levin Family Studios to a live audience on January 31, 2025, in Houston, Texas.Released as Podcast on February 7, 2025_____________DONATE to TORCH: Please consider supporting the podcasts by making a donation to help fund our Jewish outreach and educational efforts at https://www.torchweb.org/support.php. Thank you!_____________SUBSCRIBE and LISTEN to other podcasts by Rabbi Aryeh Wolbe: NEW!! Prayer Podcast: https://prayerpodcast.transistor.fm/episodesJewish Inspiration Podcast: https://inspiration.transistor.fm/episodesParsha Review Podcast: https://parsha.transistor.fm/episodesLiving Jewishly Podcast: https://jewishly.transistor.fm/episodesThinking Talmudist Podcast: https://talmud.transistor.fm/episodesUnboxing Judaism Podcast: https://unboxing.transistor.fm/episodesRabbi Aryeh Wolbe Podcast Collection: https://collection.transistor.fm/episodesFor a full listing of podcasts available by TORCH at https://www.TORCHpodcasts.com_____________EMAIL your questions, comments, and feedback: awolbe@torchweb.org_____________Please visit www.torchweb.org to see a full listing of our outreach and educational resources available in the Greater Houston area!_____________#Talmud, #Humility, #Eruvin, #Shammai, #Hillel ★ Support this podcast ★
Contrasting Opinions of Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel on Hanukkah Lighting: A Practical Halachic Discussion
New mishnayot! A case of a house that collapsed on a husband and wife -- apparently, a second marriage, as the heirs of each deliberate which of the two died first. But there's no way to be certain which died first. Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel dispute how to divide their property. Also, a new mishnah: A case of a house that collapsed on a son and a mother -- Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel agree that the estate should be divided (presuming that he's an only son and she's a widow). Plus, the extra value of learning in the Land of Israel.
On a day that mixes different emotions – being both a holiday and a day of remembrance, today's daf is dedicated to the memory of those who were tragically taken from us one year ago today. May our learning be an aliyah for their neshamot, a tribute to their lives, and a reflection of the strength and resilience of our people in the face of the unimaginable pain we have all experienced since that day. From where does Beit Shammai learn that hatarat nedarim can be done with three regular people, since he doesn't hold by the gzeira shava of "ze hadavar" from slaughtering outside the Temple? Why was Tu B'av considered a day of celebration? The sages bring six different answers explaining what incident happened on that date to merit a celebration for generations. Seven people together span all the generations, from Adam to Eliyahu Hanavi, who, based on tradition, never died. Who are they and how do we know each overlapped with the next?
On a day that mixes different emotions – being both a holiday and a day of remembrance, today's daf is dedicated to the memory of those who were tragically taken from us one year ago today. May our learning be an aliyah for their neshamot, a tribute to their lives, and a reflection of the strength and resilience of our people in the face of the unimaginable pain we have all experienced since that day. From where does Beit Shammai learn that hatarat nedarim can be done with three regular people, since he doesn't hold by the gzeira shava of "ze hadavar" from slaughtering outside the Temple? Why was Tu B'av considered a day of celebration? The sages bring six different answers explaining what incident happened on that date to merit a celebration for generations. Seven people together span all the generations, from Adam to Eliyahu Hanavi, who, based on tradition, never died. Who are they and how do we know each overlapped with the next?
One who redeems ma'aser sheni on coins, and the desacralizes the coins to use them to buy the food in Jerusalem - how those coins can be exchanged, a dispute between Beit Shammai vs. Beit Hillel. Plus, the sourcing of the word "money" twice in the biblical verse. Also, when money is an exchange instead of a sale or a purchase payment.
If one gives money to a money changer, if it is not bound and sealed, the money changer is permitted to use it and is thereby responsible if the money gets lost. There is a debate whether the money changer is also responsible for oness (accidental damage). Regarding shlichut yad, if one decides to use an item they are watching and it then breaks, if the item changes in value from the time the shomer decides to use it until the time it breaks, what value is the shomer obligated to pay? Beit Shammai, Beit Hillel, and Rabbi Akiva have a debate regarding this issue. The Gemara brings five attempts, four of which are rejected, to understand the disagreement between Beit Shamai and Beit Hillel. According to the conclusion, the debate is not regarding a fluctuation in the market price, but the value of the animal itself increases or decreases by having offspring/wool to be sheared. According to who do we pasken?
If one gives money to a money changer, if it is not bound and sealed, the money changer is permitted to use it and is thereby responsible if the money gets lost. There is a debate whether the money changer is also responsible for oness (accidental damage). Regarding shlichut yad, if one decides to use an item they are watching and it then breaks, if the item changes in value from the time the shomer decides to use it until the time it breaks, what value is the shomer obligated to pay? Beit Shammai, Beit Hillel, and Rabbi Akiva have a debate regarding this issue. The Gemara brings five attempts, four of which are rejected, to understand the disagreement between Beit Shamai and Beit Hillel. According to the conclusion, the debate is not regarding a fluctuation in the market price, but the value of the animal itself increases or decreases by having offspring/wool to be sheared. According to who do we pasken?
More opinions are brought about why Beit Shammai require a dinar for marriage. Beit Hillel's holds that a woman can be betrothed with a pruta. What is the value of that pruta? What if the item is something that fluctuates in value? What if it was worth less but somewhere else could be worth a pruta? What if after the fact there is a question about the marriage and the current value is a pruta but it may have been worth more earlier when the marriage took place? Several actual cases are brought. Rav instituted lashes for people who did various things including getting betrothed without prearranging, or in the marketplace, or by betrothal through intercourse. The latter, while permitted by the Torah, was frowned upon by the rabbis.
More opinions are brought about why Beit Shammai require a dinar for marriage. Beit Hillel's holds that a woman can be betrothed with a pruta. What is the value of that pruta? What if the item is something that fluctuates in value? What if it was worth less but somewhere else could be worth a pruta? What if after the fact there is a question about the marriage and the current value is a pruta but it may have been worth more earlier when the marriage took place? Several actual cases are brought. Rav instituted lashes for people who did various things including getting betrothed without prearranging, or in the marketplace, or by betrothal through intercourse. The latter, while permitted by the Torah, was frowned upon by the rabbis.
Today's daf is sponsored by Betsy Frank in honor of Penny's Daf Yomi Salon. Today's daf is sponsored by Marilyn Katz in honor of Rebecca Koenigsberg. "She is a constant source for me of inspiration and knowledge, and whose constant observation of the mitzva of hachnassat orchim extends to regularly serving as the siyum mesaderet for our small local group of daf-yomi-ers." Why does Beit Shammai hold that the money required for betrothal is significantly higher than the amount Beit Hillel says? Several answers are suggested.
The Gemara does a deep dive on Beit Shammai's opinion that for Kiddushin to take place with money it must be at a value of at least a dinar. Several opinions are offered to help understand Beit Shammai's reasoning.
Today's daf is sponsored by Betsy Frank in honor of Penny's Daf Yomi Salon. Today's daf is sponsored by Marilyn Katz in honor of Rebecca Koenigsberg. "She is a constant source for me of inspiration and knowledge, and whose constant observation of the mitzva of hachnassat orchim extends to regularly serving as the siyum mesaderet for our small local group of daf-yomi-ers." Why does Beit Shammai hold that the money required for betrothal is significantly higher than the amount Beit Hillel says? Several answers are suggested.
A new mishnah on this last daf! Specifically, under what circumstances is a husband allowed to divorce his wife - of course, a machloket, this time, between Beit Shammai, Beit Hillel, and Rabbi Akiva (based on interpreting a verse). Plus, 4 ways to understand the word, "ki," in the biblical text. Also, ending the tractate with the full emotions of divorce - in sorrow and some measure or regret - a husband shouldn't continue to stay married to a wife he hates, but he then is hated by God (with a distinction between first and second marriages).
2 mishnayot: 1. A slave whose owner uses him as a payment of debt to another person, but then is freed before he functions as that payment. What happens?? A tikkun olam decree to keep the peace - and ensure that the slave remains free. Plus, rereading the mishnah by the Gemara - in two ways (by Rav and Ulla). 2. A slave who is half-freed and half-slave... an in-between status that is not easily resolved. How should this person function? It's a dispute between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai, and - unusually - Beit Shammai is upheld by Beit Hillel, for the sake of the good of this person.
First, a mishnah - a brainteaser of 6 people who take conditional vows of nezirut, depending on determinable unknowns. The question of whether those vows kick in depending on the dispute between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai. Plus, some talmudic revision of the phrasing of the mishnah. Also, the absence of talmudic text on Amud Bet. Plus, a brief review of the Baalei HaTosafot.
What happens if you consecrate something in error? Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai dispute the outcome - not consecrated and consecrated, respectively. Also, delving into the side of Beit Shammai, and the rationale of priority when it comes to consecration, whether that which is more valuable or that which is indeed first.
A new mishnah: when witnesses come to court to testify about another person's vow of nezirut. Plus contradictory witnesses. With a dispute between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai on how to square the contradictions. Also, moving on to the new chapter, 4: another new mishnah: where one person takes a vow as a nazir, and subsequent people say that they each are too, then they're all nezirim... except that if the first person is released from nezirut, then those who said "and I!" are no longer bound either. Likewise, other wordings that indicate the same. Plus, the amount of time it takes to greet another is the limit on how quickly others chime in to the first person's vow. Note the discussion between R. Yehudah HaNasi and Resh Lakish.
When a vow for nezirut is conditioned upon an external event, such as the positioning of a cow or a door, and whether the vow will be upheld. Plus, the dispute between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai continues. Also, Rava's understanding of the role of the cow in this kind of case, plus his revision, as it were, to include the possibility of both the cow and the door.
Chapter 2: One who uses unusual expressions in taking on nezirut (for example, including refraining from dried figs in the vow), and whether that has impact on the assumption of nezirut. A machloket between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai. Also, specific definitions of the korbanot mitigate against just deciding whatever sacrifice one wanted to offer, for example. Misspeaking for such a thing is allowable to some extent, but the vow for nezirut is expected to comply with the definition, as people know what a nazir is, and shouldn't have introduced external details.
The debate between Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel over becoming a Nazir on something that isn't a wine product
Study Guide Nedarim 71 Today’s daf is sponsored by Elisa Hartstein in loving memory of her father Malcolm Minsk, Mordechai Nachum ben Tzvi v’Chaya Bluma, for whom she completes 11 months of kaddish today and who she misses very much. "Thanks to my kaddish buddies including daffers Judi and Emma for their support and companionship." The Mishnah stated that if a woman vowed while betrothed then divorced and got engaged on the same day, her father and new husband can annul the vow. Shmuel brings a proof from a verse to show that this is also true for vows that the first fiancé already knew about. The Gemara brings the Tosefta to support Shmuel's opinion. It emerges from the Tosefta that Beit Shammai believes that it is not possible for a second fiancé to break vows known to the first fiancé, but Beit Hillel holds that he can. The Gemara asks a question: If a husband divorces his wife, is the divorce considered a ratification of the vow or as silence? In what case would there be relevance to this question?
A woman who takes a vow while betrothed, divorces that same day, gets betrothed to another that same day - the father can revoke her vow and the second (or last in this kind of chain) can revoke it. That is, she is always under her father's auspices, as a young woman, or under her husband's, but she hasn't aged into her own authority. Plus, the verses that explain the bottom lines of these cases. Also, a dispute between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai regarding the nature of revoking the woman's vow.
Study Guide Nedarim 71 Today’s daf is sponsored by Elisa Hartstein in loving memory of her father Malcolm Minsk, Mordechai Nachum ben Tzvi v’Chaya Bluma, for whom she completes 11 months of kaddish today and who she misses very much. "Thanks to my kaddish buddies including daffers Judi and Emma for their support and companionship." The Mishnah stated that if a woman vowed while betrothed then divorced and got engaged on the same day, her father and new husband can annul the vow. Shmuel brings a proof from a verse to show that this is also true for vows that the first fiancé already knew about. The Gemara brings the Tosefta to support Shmuel's opinion. It emerges from the Tosefta that Beit Shammai believes that it is not possible for a second fiancé to break vows known to the first fiancé, but Beit Hillel holds that he can. The Gemara asks a question: If a husband divorces his wife, is the divorce considered a ratification of the vow or as silence? In what case would there be relevance to this question?
A new mishnah! Taking a vow to protect yourself from thugs who you feel are putting you in danger, and you take a vow to protect yourself. With a machloket between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai, how far that goes. Plus, the law of the land is the law (assuming that doesn't mean laws made against Judaism). Also, another mishnah! The need to redeem saplings (for example) that have been consecrated - with various parameters. Plus, the vows people take in a time of need - like, the protect the saplings, plus the case of the tallit. Namely, promises made as recompense for getting saved.
Today's daf is sponsored by Sara Berelowitz in loving memory of her father, Tzvi Ben Moshe on his 14th yahrzeit. Today's daf is sponsored by Risa Tzohar in loving memory of her grandmother, Rose Schwartz Wittels. The Gemara interprets the Mishna that distinguished between neder and nedava according to Rabbi Yehuda's opinion and explains why he distinguishes between them. In the process, they brought a braita with Rabbi Yehuda's opinion which spoke about the early pious people who took on being a nazir in order to be able to bring a sin offering. In this braita, Rabbi Shimon's opinion is presented. He disagrees and explains that every nazir is considered a sinner. Abaye cites three people (Shimon the Tzadik in his story on Nedarim 9b, Rabbi Shimon, and Rabbi Elazar the Kapar) who viewed nazirs as sinners. What is the sin of being a nazir, according to them, and from which verse in the Torah did they derive this? The Mishna lists what words are kinui of vows, cherem, nazir and oaths. Regarding a kinui, Rabbi Yochanan and Reish Lakish disagree - is it the language of the gentiles or the language of the sages that was made up for us to use? According to Reish Lakish, why would the rabbis make up words to use in place of the actual words? It was to avoid using God's name in vain. Is their dispute the same as the dispute between Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel regarding a kinui of a kinui? Some examples of a kinui of a kinui are brought? The Mishna says that using the language of something that is forbidden or related to sacrifices would be a valid language of a vow.
Today's daf is sponsored by Sara Berelowitz in loving memory of her father, Tzvi Ben Moshe on his 14th yahrzeit. Today's daf is sponsored by Risa Tzohar in loving memory of her grandmother, Rose Schwartz Wittels. The Gemara interprets the Mishna that distinguished between neder and nedava according to Rabbi Yehuda's opinion and explains why he distinguishes between them. In the process, they brought a braita with Rabbi Yehuda's opinion which spoke about the early pious people who took on being a nazir in order to be able to bring a sin offering. In this braita, Rabbi Shimon's opinion is presented. He disagrees and explains that every nazir is considered a sinner. Abaye cites three people (Shimon the Tzadik in his story on Nedarim 9b, Rabbi Shimon, and Rabbi Elazar the Kapar) who viewed nazirs as sinners. What is the sin of being a nazir, according to them, and from which verse in the Torah did they derive this? The Mishna lists what words are kinui of vows, cherem, nazir and oaths. Regarding a kinui, Rabbi Yochanan and Reish Lakish disagree - is it the language of the gentiles or the language of the sages that was made up for us to use? According to Reish Lakish, why would the rabbis make up words to use in place of the actual words? It was to avoid using God's name in vain. Is their dispute the same as the dispute between Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel regarding a kinui of a kinui? Some examples of a kinui of a kinui are brought? The Mishna says that using the language of something that is forbidden or related to sacrifices would be a valid language of a vow.
[Shanah tovah! This episode is for Sunday, September 25, Erev Rosh Hashanah] Who said halakhot were to be derived from the language of the ketubah? The mishnah connects the ketubah issues to that of sotah - the case of a woman suspected of adultery. The comparison leads to a dispute between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai, regarding the terms of one's ketubah. Also, the question of whether a yevamah can collect her ketubah from the first husband while the yavam is alive? What would it mean for that money to be available? Moreover, how would everyone feel if that were put into practice? The mishnah is treated as important good advice.
Chapter 8! With a new mishnah, of course. On usufruct property that a wife brings into the marriage, and the husband has the right of the produce of the property. For example, when a woman inherits prior to her betrothal. But what happens if she's already betrothed? It's a machloket between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai. Plus, an expressed discomfort with the halakhah as it's determined here. Plus, what if he doesn't know about the inheritance?! Also, a mishnah that is compared to Takanat Usha - on this kind of property, specifically. And again, what if the husband didn't know about the property she inherits? So much is property law, so much seems to be decided on a case by case basis, which is not always our norm.
Dedicated in the memory of Dr. Dodi Tobin z"l. || A series of what amounts to recommendations by the sages for a healthy diet during pregnancy. Including how a mother's diet of etrogim made the child smell good, to the extent that the child was used to spice. Plus, more marriage politics around nursing, which are apparently eternal. Also, just how delectable all kinds of food, meat and wine and mushrooms and turnip and even pomegranates can be, to drive people beyond distraction in their desire and appetite for the food. And how the way one treats the waiters is indicative of one's righteousness - and if one is righteous enough, Elijah the Prophet just might pop by for a visit. Plus, the next mishnah. And - 2 sages with comparable names. And a dispute between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai that brings us back to pregnancy and nursing.
Today's daf is sponsored by the Levant and Dickson families. "Wishing our daughters, Dalia Dickson and Miriam Levant a giyus kal as they start the army today! May Hashem watch over them and may they have a safe and meaningful service."
Today's daf is sponsored by the Levant and Dickson families. "Wishing our daughters, Dalia Dickson and Miriam Levant a giyus kal as they start the army today! May Hashem watch over them and may they have a safe and meaningful service."
The debate of Beit Shammai vs. Beit Hillel what to say to a bride at a wedding
Still fighting with the tech. So many apologies!! || A disturbing daf - where we begin our discussion with the Gemara's case of prepubescent marriage (on Shabbat). The case is fairly straightforward - in terms of injury to the virgin on Shabbat, and Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai dispute how long the couple can rely on her prepubescent state to prevent concerns of the impurity of Niddah. Similarly, the case of a girl who is the right age/stage for puberty, but hasn't yet menstruated. Also, a discussion of the bridegroom who is exempt from saying Shema on the wedding night (from Wednesday night through to Saturday night, if the bride is a virgin and they haven't consummated the marriage) - a case that has its parallel on Berakhot 16b, and Rabban Gamliel who did say Shema. Note how the framing of the discussion is very different.
Mishnayot! A women who testifies that her husband has died can remarry, but does she get the ketubah money? It's a machloket between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai, and one that Beit Shammai wins. Also, the 5 women whose testimony is not believed regarding a man's death because they are too likely to have it in for his potential widow. Plus, the difference between a bill of divorce and the testimony to a man's death. Also, a woman remarries on the basis of a witness's testimony and another witness comes and contradicts that testimony - she stays remarried.
A dispute between R. Yehudah and R. Yosei on a dispute between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai over cases of a husband who believes his wife to be dead, and sleeps with either the mother-in-law or the sister-in-law, and how those scenarios would impact his marriage, in the event that the wife turns up alive, after all. Plus, the rationales for the approach to permit the couple to return to each other. Also, R. Yosei. On a case of two couples, where the wives are sisters, and the testimony on disappearance that is found to be mistaken. What are the implications for the couples to be able to return to each other? And who is disqualified from being with whom? Note how complicated and ambiguous the mishnah that this Gemara works off of to interpret is.
4 mishnayot! Practical details about kohanim and whom they can marry. For example, a kohen who is betrothed a widow, and is later appointed to be the kohen gadol, he's fine, they can marry. Plus, a story to make the point: R. Yehoshua ben Gamla. Also, how the kohen gadol cannot do yibum, only chalitzah. Also, the case of the aiylonit and the kohen gadol and the mitzvah of p'ru ur'vu. Plus, the kohen gadol is actually not supposed to marry too young of a girl. Also, a man may not disregard the mitzvah of being fruitful and multiplying when he gets married - unless he already has children. The details of which, are of course, disputed by Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai.
The status of yibum betrothal (maamar) according to Beit Shammai and the application of their language to a fascinating question in the laws of berachot over miracles and Jewish graves
Cases of questionable inheritance, which need some real calculation and navigation to determine who should inherit what (particularly property). Plus, a new mishnah - where a yevamah-to-be inherits prior to yibum... Which complicates the inheritance she bequeaths as well. Also, when a husband died before a Sotah woman has a chance to have her test to determine whether she has committed adultery takes place - what happens is a machloket between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai, which aligns with the issues of inheritance earlier on the daf.
The question of whether the co-wives of a daughter would be permitted to the brothers... As answered in the time of R. Dosa ben Hyrcanus, in accord with Beit Shammai (which is a startling alignment). He was elderly and rather homebound, so he wasn't available for consultation or elaboration on his psak, so eventually, a crew of rabbis make the trek to his home. And the Gemara presents what seems to be the entirety of their visit and inquiry. Plus, the harsh language among brothers... (and then we meet him too). Also, lessons from Haggai the prophet, about the case of the co-wives of the daughter, the tithing in Jordan, and details about whom we accept how easily for conversion. Specifically, two groups of people who would have thought to have factors that would invalidate them as possible converts -- but the names of these groups are similar to two groups that were indeed valid to convert, which muddies things. Which leads into questions of different standards, how much Jewish practice does it take to be considered Jewish, etc. Plus, a discussion of the non-Jews and their desecration if the first Beit HaMikdash, which is held against the Tarmodim (one of the groups), and the violence against women in war... With implications for Jewish lineage...
More on Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel... Specifically, did the members of Beit Shammai actually follow the approaches of Beit Shammai. Note also the affinity of other sages for either given approach - for example, Rabbi Tarfon (and his opinion, in contrast to R. Yochanan ben Nuri). Rabban Gamliel should be following Beit Hillel... But is introduced here as a follower of Beit Shammai?! Plus, several more cases by which to investigate the question of whether Beit Shammai people followed the rulings of Beit Shammai, or did they follow Beit Hillel, as per the bat kol (heavenly voice) that said everyone should be following Beit Hillel?
More on the disputes of Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai, with the serious implications of a potential "mamzer" status for a child of a forbidden relationship (or perhaps not). That is, they disagreed, and followed their respective approaches for actual practice. What about the bat kol (heavenly voice) that said the law is in accord with Beit Hillel?
How we derive the exemption of the co-wives with regard to the yavam. Plus, a new mishnah! The 6 cases that are more stringent than the original mishnah's 15 cases. And the disputes here between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai, and the implications of those differences of approach that come to pass, and those that do not.
Welcome to the Daily Daf Differently. In this episode, Rabbi Barry Chesler looks at Masechet Chagigah Daf 17. Today we focus on a mishnah with disagreement between Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai regarding the propriety of offering sh’lamim sacrifices and olot r’iyah on the Holiday and whether one may do s’micha, the laying on of […]
Welcome to the Daily Daf Differently. In this episode, Rabbi Abby Sosland looks at Masechet Moed Katan Daf 3. Is it possible that Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel would plan to have their rulings overturned by later generations? According to our daf, that’s exactly what they wanted! The chain of tradition depends upon it. The […]
Conversion and its regulation is a major political fight in Israel today. Who is right? What's the debate? In this episode, I begin to take a broader look at institutionalized religion in Israel and try to situate the conversion conundrum within that. We get into the nitty gritty of the Halakhah and address an important graphic feature of how the laws of conversion were codified. We take issue with an otherwise excellent book by Barry Wimpfheimer. We go on a tangent about Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai and some key differences between them. We discuss a bit about the founding of the Chief Rabbinate under the British. The key contention, though, is that attempts to fit Halakhah within a modern, bureaucratic, regulatory regime will inevitably result in the distortion of Halakhah.
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