Podcast appearances and mentions of karl vaters

Karl Vaters talks with Darrell Stetler about a new AI program Darrell has created, called Sermon Illustrator.After a short introduction to what AI is, and some of the advantages and dangers of using it, they narrow in on this tool that helps pastors with a very specific task – finding illustrations (stories, metaphors, historical events, and so on) that can give your well-prepared sermon a story, a photo, a video, or another illustration that will help your content connect in a memorable way.Podcast Links:Sermon IllustratorEp 038: A Discipleship Strategy Small Churches Can Actually FollowEp 084: Second was Trunk-or-Treat, with Darrell Stetler Also from Darrell Stetler:NewStart Discipleship curriculumFree New believer Bible reading plan (1 Page PDF)Free audiobook on discipling your childrenFree NewStart Discipleship Journal: A 54-page discipleship Bible study for new Christians.Free one-hour discipleship training workshopFree 23 Page Planning Guide with Trunk or Treat Ideas for ChurchesThe Gospel Trunk or Treat Planning SystemSocial media:facebook.com/darrellstetler2facebook.com/newstartdiscipleshipyoutube.com/@newstartdiscipleshiptwitter.com/newstartdiscBonus ContentSome Strengths and Dangers of Using AI for Sermon Prep, with Darrell StetlerKarl Vaters interviews Darrell Stetler about what AI is good for, and some of the dangers AI poses, specifically when it comes to prepping Sunday sermons. To get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with freedom stories from our believers, as they shared how they got back on track with God. We then had Colin Smith join us as we talked about the centrality of the Bible and the importance of teaching the Bible in the church. Colin Smith is Senior Pastor Emeritus of The Orchard Evangelical Free Church. He is also the founder and teacher of the long-time, daily radio program, Open the Bible, which airs weekday mornings on Moody Radio at 9 am CT. He has also written several books, including “Fly Through the Bible: A Brief Introduction.” We then had Dr. Wayne Grudem join us to talk about systematic theology. Dr. Grudem serves as a Distinguished Research Professor of Theology and Biblical Studies Emeritus at Phoenix Seminary in Arizona. He has also written several books, including “Systematic Theology.” Then Lyle Wells and Kat Armstrong joined us to share what toxic leadership looks like in the church. Lyle is a respected leader, pastor, executive coach, and speaker in Christian leadership circles. He is also President of Integrus Leadership and has mentored thousands of Kingdom-minded leaders, equipping them with practical, faith-driven resources to strengthen their leadership. Kat is a sought-after Bible teacher, preacher, Director of Marketing at Integres Leadership, and podcast host. Both Lyle and Kat wrote a book called “Easy to Follow: Trading Toxic Leadership for the Way of Jesus.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Freedom Stories (How I Got Back on Track with God) [ 03:53 ] Colin Smith Interview (Centrality of the Word) [ 30:55 ] Dr. Wayne Grudem interview (Systematic Theology) [ 45:44 ] Lye Wells and Kat Armstrong (Identifying Toxic Church Leadership) [01:01:17 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches) [01:15:46 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with a discussion about spiritual gifts with Dr. Sam Storms. Dr. Storms is the founder and president of Enjoying God Ministries and serves on the Council of the Gospel Coalition. He is also the Executive Director of the Convergence Church Network. He has also authored several books, including “Understanding Spiritual Gifts: A Comprehensive Guide.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Sam Storms Interview (Spiritual Gifts) [04:37 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches Thrive) [25:45 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with freedom stories from our believers, as they shared how they got back on track with God. We then had Colin Smith join us as we talked about the centrality of the Bible and the importance of teaching the Bible in the church. Colin Smith is Senior Pastor Emeritus of The Orchard Evangelical Free Church. He is also the founder and teacher of the long-time, daily radio program, Open the Bible, which airs weekday mornings on Moody Radio at 9 am CT. He has also written several books, including “Fly Through the Bible: A Brief Introduction.” We then had Dr. Wayne Grudem join us to talk about systematic theology. Dr. Grudem serves as a Distinguished Research Professor of Theology and Biblical Studies Emeritus at Phoenix Seminary in Arizona. He has also written several books, including “Systematic Theology.” Then Lyle Wells and Kat Armstrong joined us to share what toxic leadership looks like in the church. Lyle is a respected leader, pastor, executive coach, and speaker in Christian leadership circles. He is also President of Integrus Leadership and has mentored thousands of Kingdom-minded leaders, equipping them with practical, faith-driven resources to strengthen their leadership. Kat is a sought-after Bible teacher, preacher, Director of Marketing at Integres Leadership, and podcast host. Both Lyle and Kat wrote a book called “Easy to Follow: Trading Toxic Leadership for the Way of Jesus.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Freedom Stories (How I Got Back on Track with God) [ 03:53 ] Colin Smith Interview (Centrality of the Word) [ 30:55 ] Dr. Wayne Grudem interview (Systematic Theology) [ 45:44 ] Lye Wells and Kat Armstrong (Identifying Toxic Church Leadership) [01:01:17 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches) [01:15:46 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with a discussion about spiritual gifts with Dr. Sam Storms. Dr. Storms is the founder and president of Enjoying God Ministries and serves on the Council of the Gospel Coalition. He is also the Executive Director of the Convergence Church Network. He has also authored several books, including “Understanding Spiritual Gifts: A Comprehensive Guide.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Sam Storms Interview (Spiritual Gifts) [04:37 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches Thrive) [25:45 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with freedom stories from our believers, as they shared how they got back on track with God. We then had Colin Smith join us as we talked about the centrality of the Bible and the importance of teaching the Bible in the church. Colin Smith is Senior Pastor Emeritus of The Orchard Evangelical Free Church. He is also the founder and teacher of the long-time, daily radio program, Open the Bible, which airs weekday mornings on Moody Radio at 9 am CT. He has also written several books, including “Fly Through the Bible: A Brief Introduction.” We then had Dr. Wayne Grudem join us to talk about systematic theology. Dr. Grudem serves as a Distinguished Research Professor of Theology and Biblical Studies Emeritus at Phoenix Seminary in Arizona. He has also written several books, including “Systematic Theology.” Then Lyle Wells and Kat Armstrong joined us to share what toxic leadership looks like in the church. Lyle is a respected leader, pastor, executive coach, and speaker in Christian leadership circles. He is also President of Integrus Leadership and has mentored thousands of Kingdom-minded leaders, equipping them with practical, faith-driven resources to strengthen their leadership. Kat is a sought-after Bible teacher, preacher, Director of Marketing at Integres Leadership, and podcast host. Both Lyle and Kat wrote a book called “Easy to Follow: Trading Toxic Leadership for the Way of Jesus.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Freedom Stories (How I Got Back on Track with God) [ 03:53 ] Colin Smith Interview (Centrality of the Word) [ 30:55 ] Dr. Wayne Grudem interview (Systematic Theology) [ 45:44 ] Lye Wells and Kat Armstrong (Identifying Toxic Church Leadership) [01:01:17 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches) [01:15:46 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with freedom stories from our believers, as they shared how they got back on track with God. We then had Colin Smith join us as we talked about the centrality of the Bible and the importance of teaching the Bible in the church. Colin Smith is Senior Pastor Emeritus of The Orchard Evangelical Free Church. He is also the founder and teacher of the long-time, daily radio program, Open the Bible, which airs weekday mornings on Moody Radio at 9 am CT. He has also written several books, including “Fly Through the Bible: A Brief Introduction.” We then had Dr. Wayne Grudem join us to talk about systematic theology. Dr. Grudem serves as a Distinguished Research Professor of Theology and Biblical Studies Emeritus at Phoenix Seminary in Arizona. He has also written several books, including “Systematic Theology.” Then Lyle Wells and Kat Armstrong joined us to share what toxic leadership looks like in the church. Lyle is a respected leader, pastor, executive coach, and speaker in Christian leadership circles. He is also President of Integrus Leadership and has mentored thousands of Kingdom-minded leaders, equipping them with practical, faith-driven resources to strengthen their leadership. Kat is a sought-after Bible teacher, preacher, Director of Marketing at Integres Leadership, and podcast host. Both Lyle and Kat wrote a book called “Easy to Follow: Trading Toxic Leadership for the Way of Jesus.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Freedom Stories (How I Got Back on Track with God) [ 03:53 ] Colin Smith Interview (Centrality of the Word) [ 30:55 ] Dr. Wayne Grudem interview (Systematic Theology) [ 45:44 ] Lye Wells and Kat Armstrong (Identifying Toxic Church Leadership) [01:01:17 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches) [01:15:46 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with freedom stories from our believers, as they shared how they got back on track with God. We then had Colin Smith join us as we talked about the centrality of the Bible and the importance of teaching the Bible in the church. Colin Smith is Senior Pastor Emeritus of The Orchard Evangelical Free Church. He is also the founder and teacher of the long-time, daily radio program, Open the Bible, which airs weekday mornings on Moody Radio at 9 am CT. He has also written several books, including “Fly Through the Bible: A Brief Introduction.” We then had Dr. Wayne Grudem join us to talk about systematic theology. Dr. Grudem serves as a Distinguished Research Professor of Theology and Biblical Studies Emeritus at Phoenix Seminary in Arizona. He has also written several books, including “Systematic Theology.” Then Lyle Wells and Kat Armstrong joined us to share what toxic leadership looks like in the church. Lyle is a respected leader, pastor, executive coach, and speaker in Christian leadership circles. He is also President of Integrus Leadership and has mentored thousands of Kingdom-minded leaders, equipping them with practical, faith-driven resources to strengthen their leadership. Kat is a sought-after Bible teacher, preacher, Director of Marketing at Integres Leadership, and podcast host. Both Lyle and Kat wrote a book called “Easy to Follow: Trading Toxic Leadership for the Way of Jesus.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Freedom Stories (How I Got Back on Track with God) [ 03:53 ] Colin Smith Interview (Centrality of the Word) [ 30:55 ] Dr. Wayne Grudem interview (Systematic Theology) [ 45:44 ] Lye Wells and Kat Armstrong (Identifying Toxic Church Leadership) [01:01:17 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches) [01:15:46 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with a discussion about spiritual gifts with Dr. Sam Storms. Dr. Storms is the founder and president of Enjoying God Ministries and serves on the Council of the Gospel Coalition. He is also the Executive Director of the Convergence Church Network. He has also authored several books, including “Understanding Spiritual Gifts: A Comprehensive Guide.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Sam Storms Interview (Spiritual Gifts) [04:37 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches Thrive) [25:45 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with a discussion about spiritual gifts with Dr. Sam Storms. Dr. Storms is the founder and president of Enjoying God Ministries and serves on the Council of the Gospel Coalition. He is also the Executive Director of the Convergence Church Network. He has also authored several books, including “Understanding Spiritual Gifts: A Comprehensive Guide.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Sam Storms Interview (Spiritual Gifts) [04:37 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches Thrive) [25:45 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with a discussion about spiritual gifts with Dr. Sam Storms. Dr. Storms is the founder and president of Enjoying God Ministries and serves on the Council of the Gospel Coalition. He is also the Executive Director of the Convergence Church Network. He has also authored several books, including “Understanding Spiritual Gifts: A Comprehensive Guide.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Sam Storms Interview (Spiritual Gifts) [04:37 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches Thrive) [25:45 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with freedom stories from our believers, as they shared how they got back on track with God. We then had Colin Smith join us as we talked about the centrality of the Bible and the importance of teaching the Bible in the church. Colin Smith is Senior Pastor Emeritus of The Orchard Evangelical Free Church. He is also the founder and teacher of the long-time, daily radio program, Open the Bible, which airs weekday mornings on Moody Radio at 9 am CT. He has also written several books, including “Fly Through the Bible: A Brief Introduction.” We then had Dr. Wayne Grudem join us to talk about systematic theology. Dr. Grudem serves as a Distinguished Research Professor of Theology and Biblical Studies Emeritus at Phoenix Seminary in Arizona. He has also written several books, including “Systematic Theology.” Then Lyle Wells and Kat Armstrong joined us to share what toxic leadership looks like in the church. Lyle is a respected leader, pastor, executive coach, and speaker in Christian leadership circles. He is also President of Integrus Leadership and has mentored thousands of Kingdom-minded leaders, equipping them with practical, faith-driven resources to strengthen their leadership. Kat is a sought-after Bible teacher, preacher, Director of Marketing at Integres Leadership, and podcast host. Both Lyle and Kat wrote a book called “Easy to Follow: Trading Toxic Leadership for the Way of Jesus.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Freedom Stories (How I Got Back on Track with God) [ 03:53 ] Colin Smith Interview (Centrality of the Word) [ 30:55 ] Dr. Wayne Grudem interview (Systematic Theology) [ 45:44 ] Lye Wells and Kat Armstrong (Identifying Toxic Church Leadership) [01:01:17 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches) [01:15:46 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with a discussion about spiritual gifts with Dr. Sam Storms. Dr. Storms is the founder and president of Enjoying God Ministries and serves on the Council of the Gospel Coalition. He is also the Executive Director of the Convergence Church Network. He has also authored several books, including “Understanding Spiritual Gifts: A Comprehensive Guide.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Sam Storms Interview (Spiritual Gifts) [04:37 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches Thrive) [25:45 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with freedom stories from our believers, as they shared how they got back on track with God. We then had Colin Smith join us as we talked about the centrality of the Bible and the importance of teaching the Bible in the church. Colin Smith is Senior Pastor Emeritus of The Orchard Evangelical Free Church. He is also the founder and teacher of the long-time, daily radio program, Open the Bible, which airs weekday mornings on Moody Radio at 9 am CT. He has also written several books, including “Fly Through the Bible: A Brief Introduction.” We then had Dr. Wayne Grudem join us to talk about systematic theology. Dr. Grudem serves as a Distinguished Research Professor of Theology and Biblical Studies Emeritus at Phoenix Seminary in Arizona. He has also written several books, including “Systematic Theology.” Then Lyle Wells and Kat Armstrong joined us to share what toxic leadership looks like in the church. Lyle is a respected leader, pastor, executive coach, and speaker in Christian leadership circles. He is also President of Integrus Leadership and has mentored thousands of Kingdom-minded leaders, equipping them with practical, faith-driven resources to strengthen their leadership. Kat is a sought-after Bible teacher, preacher, Director of Marketing at Integres Leadership, and podcast host. Both Lyle and Kat wrote a book called “Easy to Follow: Trading Toxic Leadership for the Way of Jesus.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Freedom Stories (How I Got Back on Track with God) [ 03:53 ] Colin Smith Interview (Centrality of the Word) [ 30:55 ] Dr. Wayne Grudem interview (Systematic Theology) [ 45:44 ] Lye Wells and Kat Armstrong (Identifying Toxic Church Leadership) [01:01:17 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches) [01:15:46 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, on Karl and Crew, we continued our weekly theme of “Church” with a discussion about spiritual gifts with Dr. Sam Storms. Dr. Storms is the founder and president of Enjoying God Ministries and serves on the Council of the Gospel Coalition. He is also the Executive Director of the Convergence Church Network. He has also authored several books, including “Understanding Spiritual Gifts: A Comprehensive Guide.” We then had Karl Vaters join us to discuss the spiritual impact of smaller churches. Karl has served in a small church ministry for over 40 years and has gained hands-on pastoral experience. He also hosts a biweekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith and Ministry. He has also written several books, including “Small Church Essentials.” You can hear the highlights of today's program on the Karl and Crew Showcast. If you're looking to hear a particular segment from the show, look at the following time stamps: Dr. Sam Storms Interview (Spiritual Gifts) [04:37 ] Karl Vaters (Small Churches Thrive) [25:45 ] Karl and Crew airs live weekday mornings from 5-9 a.m. Central Time. Click this link for ways to listen in your area! https://www.moodyradio.org/ways-to-listen/Donate to Moody Radio: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/morningshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Karl Vaters talks with Luke Simmons, the pastor of Ironwood Church in Mesa, AZ. Recently, Luke and his church elders decided to pursue a very ambitious goal with the aim of helping their large, growing congregation feel smaller and more connected.As a big-church pastor, Luke is not a typical Church Lobby guest, but he and Karl follow each other on X (formerly Twitter) and when Luke posted about this plan it inspired a lot of questions and curiosity. The plan is for the members of their elder team to have one-on-one meetings with 1,000 church members over coffee or a meal this coming year.If those numbers make you feel like this isn't for you, give it a chance. Luke has a heart for people, and he's interested in how to set numerical goals that help us reach non-numerical objectives of discipleship, fellowship, and service.Links:Luke's original X post about elder meeting goalsLuke's original X post about doing one-on-one meetingsFaithful and FruitfulTim Keller on Leadership and Church Size DynamicsDarrell Stetler's Sermon IllustratorFollow Luke on XIronwood ChurchBonus videoHow To Conduct An Annual Leadership Meeting, with Luke SimmonsKarl Vaters talks with Luke Simmons about some of the steps he follows to gain as much as possible from an annual leadership meeting with his church elders. Points include:Get it on the calendar as soon as possibleMake it an overnighterBudget for itSlow down in a relaxed environmentSet the tone with idea prompts in writingWrite a summary afterwardAnd moreLinks:How to Grow Your Small Business: A 6-Step Plan to Help Your Business Take Off (Donald Miller)Luke's original X post about elder meeting goalsLuke's original X post about doing one-on-one meetingshttps://faithfulandfruitful.com/elders-meeting/To get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Karl Vaters talks with Luke Simmons, the pastor of Ironwood Church in Mesa, AZ. Recently, Luke and his church elders decided to pursue a very ambitious goal with the aim of helping their large, growing congregation feel smaller and more connected.As a big-church pastor, Luke is not a typical Church Lobby guest, but he and Karl follow each other on X (formerly Twitter) and when Luke posted about this plan it inspired a lot of questions and curiosity. The plan is for the members of their elder team to have one-on-one meetings with 1,000 church members over coffee or a meal this coming year.If those numbers make you feel like this isn't for you, give it a chance. Luke has a heart for people, and he's interested in how to set numerical goals that help us reach non-numerical objectives of discipleship, fellowship, and service.Links:Luke's original X post about elder meeting goalsLuke's original X post about doing one-on-one meetingsFaithful and FruitfulTim Keller on Leadership and Church Size DynamicsDarrell Stetler's Sermon IllustratorFollow Luke on XIronwood ChurchBonus videoHow To Conduct An Annual Leadership Meeting, with Luke SimmonsKarl Vaters talks with Luke Simmons about some of the steps he follows to gain as much as possible from an annual leadership meeting with his church elders. Points include:Get it on the calendar as soon as possibleMake it an overnighterBudget for itSlow down in a relaxed environmentSet the tone with idea prompts in writingWrite a summary afterwardAnd moreLinks:How to Grow Your Small Business: A 6-Step Plan to Help Your Business Take Off (Donald Miller)Luke's original X post about elder meeting goalsLuke's original X post about doing one-on-one meetingshttps://faithfulandfruitful.com/elders-meeting/To get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Over the last few months, several of our podcasts have been about bivo/covocationality, side hustles for pastors, and so on. And more are on the way.Why? Because the future of the church is bivocational. In this episode, Karl Vaters talks to Andrew Hamilton about the content from his book, The Future is Bivocational: Shaping Christian Leaders for a Post-Christian World, including the theological foundation for bivocational ministry, how work isn't a sinful result of the fall, but an element of God's creative design for us, and the value of covocational ministry for the pastor, the church, and the community.The second half of the conversation includes several very practical steps for any pastor who's considering bivocationality, including:Having upfront conversations with your church leadersDeciding which tasks are essential for you to doKnowing which tasks others can be trained for and trusted withThe non-optional tasks of leadership and communicationWhy Andrew tries to function at 70 percent of his ministry capacityAnd moreLinks:Backyard MissionaryThe Future is Bivocational: Shaping Christian Leaders for a Post-Christian WorldThe Patient Ferment of the Early Church: The Improbable Rise of Christianity in the Roman EmpireBonus videoEight Options for Finding Bivocational Work, with Andrew HamiltonAre you considering becoming a bivocational pastor? Karl Vaters talks to Andrew Hamilton about some practical work options that mesh well with a pastoral schedule and skillset, from the content from his book, The Future is Bivocational: Shaping Christian Leaders for a Post-Christian World, including:Project/Contract WorkLaboringStart a Small BusinessThe Church Starts a BusinessRetrain/Upskill/StudyLow Demand WorkVolunteerConsultingTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Over the last few months, several of our podcasts have been about bivo/covocationality, side hustles for pastors, and so on. And more are on the way.Why? Because the future of the church is bivocational. In this episode, Karl Vaters talks to Andrew Hamilton about the content from his book, The Future is Bivocational: Shaping Christian Leaders for a Post-Christian World, including the theological foundation for bivocational ministry, how work isn't a sinful result of the fall, but an element of God's creative design for us, and the value of covocational ministry for the pastor, the church, and the community.The second half of the conversation includes several very practical steps for any pastor who's considering bivocationality, including:Having upfront conversations with your church leadersDeciding which tasks are essential for you to doKnowing which tasks others can be trained for and trusted withThe non-optional tasks of leadership and communicationWhy Andrew tries to function at 70 percent of his ministry capacityAnd moreLinks:Backyard MissionaryThe Future is Bivocational: Shaping Christian Leaders for a Post-Christian WorldThe Patient Ferment of the Early Church: The Improbable Rise of Christianity in the Roman EmpireBonus videoEight Options for Finding Bivocational Work, with Andrew HamiltonAre you considering becoming a bivocational pastor? Karl Vaters talks to Andrew Hamilton about some practical work options that mesh well with a pastoral schedule and skillset, from the content from his book, The Future is Bivocational: Shaping Christian Leaders for a Post-Christian World, including:Project/Contract WorkLaboringStart a Small BusinessThe Church Starts a BusinessRetrain/Upskill/StudyLow Demand WorkVolunteerConsultingTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

*ATTENTION NEEDED* Help us get to Malaysia by going to KarlVaters.com/supportAnything you can give will be appreciated.Karl Vaters interviews Bryan Sims about creating an environment for discipleship to thrive, from his book, Creating Space: Cultivating Environments for Disciples of Jesus to Thrive and Multiply (co-written with Craig Robertson).In the first half of the book, and of our conversation, we talk about the importance of creating PSDs (Passionate Spiritual Disciples) and how the church needs to get better at creating space for it to happen among our church members.Then in the second half, we get practical, talking about four tools to help this happen in your church. Plus, Bryan addresses the five characteristics of healthy disciple-making environments, and more.Links:Creating Space: Cultivating Environments for Disciples of Jesus to Thrive and MultiplySpiritual Leadership, Inc.Bryandsims.comBonus videoThe 4 Stages of Disciple-making Environments, with Bryan SimsKarl Vaters interviews Bryan Sims about the 4 different types of environments that are needed for varying stages of spiritual growth, from his book, Creating Space: Cultivating Environments for Disciples of Jesus to Thrive and Multiply (co-written with Craig Robertson).Stage 1: Engage and BefriendStage 2: Relate and ConnectStage 3: Equip and GrowStage 4: Become and SendTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

*ATTENTION NEEDED* Help us get to Malaysia by going to KarlVaters.com/supportAnything you can give will be appreciated.Karl Vaters interviews Bryan Sims about creating an environment for discipleship to thrive, from his book, Creating Space: Cultivating Environments for Disciples of Jesus to Thrive and Multiply (co-written with Craig Robertson).In the first half of the book, and of our conversation, we talk about the importance of creating PSDs (Passionate Spiritual Disciples) and how the church needs to get better at creating space for it to happen among our church members.Then in the second half, we get practical, talking about four tools to help this happen in your church. Plus, Bryan addresses the five characteristics of healthy disciple-making environments, and more.Links:Creating Space: Cultivating Environments for Disciples of Jesus to Thrive and MultiplySpiritual Leadership, Inc.Bryandsims.comBonus videoThe 4 Stages of Disciple-making Environments, with Bryan SimsKarl Vaters interviews Bryan Sims about the 4 different types of environments that are needed for varying stages of spiritual growth, from his book, Creating Space: Cultivating Environments for Disciples of Jesus to Thrive and Multiply (co-written with Craig Robertson).Stage 1: Engage and BefriendStage 2: Relate and ConnectStage 3: Equip and GrowStage 4: Become and SendTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

What if your small church isn't broken? What if it's exactly the size it's meant to be?In this illuminating conversation, third-generation pastor Karl Vaters shares his 32-year journey leading the same congregation and his revolutionary discovery that transformed his ministry: small churches aren't failed big churches—they're a strategic approach to effective ministry.His message resonates deeply with the 90% of pastors leading congregations under 200 members: small isn't a problem to fix but a strategy to leverage. As Karl powerfully states, "Discipleship fixes everything" and "Integrity is the new competence"—challenging us to measure success not by attendance but by faithfulness and character.Whether you lead a church of 50 or 5,000, Karl's wisdom will transform how you view effective ministry. Subscribe now and share this episode with a leader who needs this freeing perspective!Send us a textWe want to help you find your next steps in ministry.Connect here with EXCEL. Ministry Partner: Christian Community Credit Union

Karl Vaters interviews Derek Maxson about some simple ways to make sure your church website is reaching the three kinds of people who are most likely to use it.Derek runs Spiffy.Church, an online ministry that specializes in helping smaller churches get the most from their websites, using limited time and resources.Derek and Karl talk about how to optimize your church website by making it simple and affordable, and how to use it to help three types of people.Insiders (your church members and regulars)Shoppers (those looking for a new church home)Seekers (those who are curious about the faith or who are needing help in a time of crisis)Links:Spiffy.Church Bonus videoThree Simple Changes You Can Make To Your Church Website, with Derek MaxsonChurch websites shouldn't be as complicated as we make them. In this bonus chat, Karl Vaters talks with Derek Maxson about a few quick changes you can make to your church website that will immediately make it better for everyone. Links:Spiffy.ChurchTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Karl Vaters interviews Derek Maxson about some simple ways to make sure your church website is reaching the three kinds of people who are most likely to use it.Derek runs Spiffy.Church, an online ministry that specializes in helping smaller churches get the most from their websites, using limited time and resources.Derek and Karl talk about how to optimize your church website by making it simple and affordable, and how to use it to help three types of people.Insiders (your church members and regulars)Shoppers (those looking for a new church home)Seekers (those who are curious about the faith or who are needing help in a time of crisis)Links:Spiffy.Church Bonus videoThree Simple Changes You Can Make To Your Church Website, with Derek MaxsonChurch websites shouldn't be as complicated as we make them. In this bonus chat, Karl Vaters talks with Derek Maxson about a few quick changes you can make to your church website that will immediately make it better for everyone. Links:Spiffy.ChurchTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Friday, July 4, 2025 Kerby's guest in the second hour is Karl Vaters. Karl brings us his book, De-Sizing the Church. Connect with us on Facebook at facebook.com/pointofviewradio and on Twitter @PointofViewRTS with your opinions or comments. Looking for just the Highlights? Follow us on Spotify at Point of View Highlights and get weekly highlights from […]

Karl Vaters interviews Mike Edmondson about the hot-button topics of racial segregation in the American church, why affinity spaces matter, and how the gospel defeats racism – even the racism that has sometimes been promoted within the institutional church.Mika speaks with experience, wisdom, directness, and grace, generating more light than heat.Some of what Mika and Karl talk about includes:What is segregation?What is “Hereditary Heathenism?”Why did historically black churches begin?What are “Affinity Spaces” and why do they matter?How can we think and act more biblically about issues of race?And more. Links:Text of Mika's thread from XLink to Mika's original X threadNoteBird AppTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Rachel Bren is a survivor of sexually related trauma, and now she serves with SRTServices.org, which helps people recover from their trauma, and can help you and your church. She's also the co-host of the Grace & Grenades podcast.Karl Vaters interviews Rachel about what sexual related trauma is, how the church can help those dealing with it, some mistakes to avoid, and more.Links:SRTServices.orgGrace & GrenadesOur church introduction videoBrene Brown video on sympathy vs. empathyThe Allender Center PodcastThe Place We Find Ourselves PodcastGrace & Grenades PodcastYou can reach Rachel by email at rachel@srtservices.org and the website www.srtservices.orgBonus videoHow Your Church Can Help People Recover from Sexually Related Trauma, with Rachel BrenKarl Vaters talks with Rachel Bren about how SRTServices.org can come alongside your church to give you the tools to help people who are dealing with sexually related trauma.Links:SRTServices.orgGrace & GrenadesTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Rev. Dr. J.R. Briggs joins John and Matt to talk about failure. Rev. Dr. Briggs believes that failure is not the end but rather can be a beautiful new beginning. Resources Fail by J.R. Briggs (book) Kairos Partnerships (organization) How Your Congregation Learns by Tim Shapiro (book) "There is Hope and Help for Pastors Who Feel 'Stalled'" from ChurchLeaders.com (24 min video) "Focusing On Health, Not Size" from Center for Congregations (podcast) "How Do You Define A Healthy Church Aside from The Numbers" by Karl Vaters (article)

Karl Vaters interviews Sam Peters about the microchurch model, and more specifically, what are the minimum aspects that need to be in place for a church to be a church?If you're serving a small church that's considering if you have a viable path forward, the microchurch model is worth considering, and Sam offers some help for thinking about it in fresh, new ways.Sam Peters is a church consultant, and the author of several books, including Small Church, Big Opportunity; BIG Faith: Six Key Factors that Grow Your Faith in God, & Rebuilding Stronger: Navigating the Post-Pandemic Landscape of Worship.Links:SmallChurchCoaching.comLinkTreeYou can follow Sam on Facebook and X Bonus videoThe Limitations of the Institutional Church in Reaching the CommunityKarl Vaters interviews Sam Peters about some of the limitations that are now coming to light about the institutional church model (building, salary, etc.) that we've both spent our lives in. The challenges we talk about include:1. Physical and Financial Constraints: Many churches invest most of their resources into maintaining buildings and programs rather than directly engaging the lost. This is especially difficult for smaller congregations.2. Passive Churchgoers Instead of Active Disciple-Makers: Institutional churches can unintentionally foster a consumer mindset, where members attend services but are not equipped to lead or disciple others.3. Limited Reach Beyond Church Walls: Most churches expect people to come to them rather than embedding the Gospel in everyday life and relationships.4. Slow Adaptation to Cultural Shifts: In an age of rapid change, large churches with complex structures often struggle to pivot quickly to meet new challenges and opportunities.5. Overemphasis on Sunday Gatherings: The primary focus in many churches is the Sunday experience, but disciple-making happens most effectively in smaller, relational environments.To get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Karl Vaters writes: How good is your church doing at greeting and keeping guests? If you're like a lot of churches, you know you could do better.I talked with Desmond Barrett about how small churches can do a better job at reaching, welcoming, and keeping guests. Desmond is the author of Helping Small Churches Win Guests: Preparing to Increase Attendance, which is a short, but very practical book that pastors will find great benefit in.Desmond and I talked about:How to reimagine the church facility from the parking lot to the pewWhy sharing updates about facility improvements is attractive to guestsWhy so many pastors and church leaders resist doing what needs to be doneWhy “we just need to attract young families” is never the answerThe good news that new Christians are not looking for programs, they're wanting to live on missionKarl's Books mentioned in the podcasts:De-sizing the Church Small Church Essentials

Karl Vaters interviews Desmond Barrett about how small churches can do a better job at reaching, welcoming, and keeping guests.Desmond is the author of Helping Small Churches Win Guests: Preparing to Increase Attendance, which is a short, but very practical book that pastors will find great benefit in.Karl and Desmond talk about:How to reimagine the church facility from the parking lot to the pewWhy sharing updates about facility improvements is attractive to guestsWhy so many pastors and church leaders resist doing what needs to be doneWhy “we just need to attract young families” is never the answerThe good news that new Christians are not looking for programs, they're wanting to live on missionLinks:Helping Small Churches Win Guests: Preparing to Increase AttendanceRevitalizing the Declining Church with Dr. Desmond Barrett (podcast)Desmond's Amazon Author PageLibby App Bonus video5 Options When a Church Property is Too Big for the Congregation, with Desmond BarrettKarl Vaters talks with Desmond Barrett, the author of Helping Small Churches Win Guests: Preparing to Increase Attendance, about a subject that is a challenge for a growing number of congregations. What can you do when a church facility that was built to hold hundreds of people has just a handful or worshipers left?The five options they discuss are:Do NothingShare the PropertyRent the PropertySell the PropertyRecreate the PropertyLinks: Helping Small Churches Win Guests: Preparing to Increase AttendanceTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Join host Joe Epley as he takes some of the principles of church health found in the works of pastor and author Karl Vaters and shares how they have applied in his life. Join him as he speaks of the struggles of measuring success apart from numbers. You can check out Karl Vaters works at www.karlvaters.com As always, if you would like to reach out to the show for encouragement, or with ideas and feedback, please contact our host Joe Epley at joseph.g.epley@gmail.com

Join us as we have a discussion with Pastor and Author Karl Vaters. In the second part of this episode, we will discuss how to measure success in the church apart from numbers, how to create healthy churches, and how we as leaders can focus on discipleship in the midst of doing church. Pastor Karl’s books, articles, and other resources can be accessed at his website here. As always, if you would like to reach out to the podcast for encouragement, or to give ideas and feedback, you can contact the host Joe Epley at joseph.g.epley@gmail.com

Karl Vaters interviews Brad Hill about some of the latest findings concerning the church and technology.Brad is the Chief Solutions Officer at Gloo, an organization that came out of nowhere a few years ago, and now seems to be everywhere.After clarifying Karl's curiosity about who/what Gloo actually is, they talk about some of the important findings from a recent study Gloo conducted with Barna.If you're not an early adopter of technology, this can help you navigate the fast-changing landscape without getting bogged down in details.The five findings Karl and Brad discuss are:Christians see huge potential for churches to use digital tools effectively.Churchgoers want pastors to address AI use thoughtfully and wisely.Gen Z may live online, but they still crave in-person relationships over digital connections.Practicing Gen Z Christians feel uncertain about whether AI is a faithful tool.Pastors are intentional about using tech but still prioritize relationships and collaboration as the foundation of ministry. Links:GlooState of the Church researchDigital Tools articleBarnaTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Join us as we have a discussion with Pastor and Author Karl Vaters. Over the next two weeks, we will discuss how to measure success in the church apart from numbers, how to create healthy churches, and how we as leaders can focus on discipleship in the midst of doing church. Pastor Karl’s books, articles, and other resources can be accessed at his website here. As always, if you would like to reach out to the podcast for encouragement, or to give ideas and feedback, you can contact the host Joe Epley at joseph.g.epley@gmail.com

Send us a textToday we welcome Karl Vaters to the podcast. Karl has served in a small church ministry for 40 years, with a handful of pastoral experiences. He is the author of numerous books and hosts a bi-weekly podcast - The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith & Ministry.  He is the author of De-Sizing the Church: How the Church Growth Movement Became Science, then an obsession, and what's next.  

Eric Hoke is known as the “I Help Pastors Get Jobs” Guy.Karl Vaters talks with Eric about how to build long-term sustainable ministry, reduce financial stress, and create value in the marketplace by becoming an intentionally covocational pastor.Eric's new book, Market Street Pastor: Ministry Sustainability without Money Stress, addresses many of the issues involved in making the shift toward covocational ministry.This conversation covers the subjects of:The mindset shift that most pastors must take to start down this roadThe value pastors bring to the marketplaceFinding your marketable skills through using the Heart- Head-Hands-Feet methodHow to get through the clutter of thousands of job applicantsHow to present yourself and your skillsAnd so much more Links from this episode:Market Street Pastor: Ministry Sustainability without Money StressIHelpPastorsGetJobs.comDaily Examen App: "Reimagining the Examen" for iphone and androidBonus ContentHow to Build a LinkedIn Profile that Will Get Job Leads, with Eric HokeLinkedIn remains a primary online site for those seeking employment, and it's especially helpful for pastors seeking covocational employment.In this very practical conversation, Eric Hoke talks with Karl Vaters about some common mistakes to avoid and opportunities to take advantage of that will get you noticed—and get the side hustle job that suits your skills and needs.To get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

For Episode 100, Karl Vaters has a very special conversation with his father, Albert Vaters, about the pastor's relationship with God's Word, the Bible.In addition to each of them spending 40 years as pastors (over 80 years of combined pastoral ministry!), they were also both raised as preacher's kids, so they can speak from multiple perspectives about life in a pastor's home.In this conversation, Karl and Albert talk about:What it was like to be raised with a positive experience in a pastor's homeHow to give the Bible a central place in our homesThe importance of living what you're preachingHow to approach the Bible correctly as a pastor and a parentAnd moreLinks:John Lennox: God Does ExistJohn Lennox: The Bible and age of the earth?John Lennox: Why I am a Christian and a scientist

Karl Vaters talks with Russ Taff. One of the great voices of Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) in the 1970s-90s, Russ won five Grammys, 13 Dove Awards, and was inducted into the Gospel Music Hall of Fame three times (with the Imperials, the Gaither Vocal Band, and as a solo artist).He also spent decades struggling with alcoholism, church hurt, and shame, stemming from the severe trauma he experienced in the pastor's house of his childhood.This interview is raw. It's real, and it's very emotional.In addition to talking through his testimony at length, Karl and Russ also take a song-by-song walk through his newest album, which is a journey through his story of pain, trauma, lament, and redemption.Links:Cover Story (The album)RussTaff.comBecome a Financial PartnerSubscribe to Karl's free weekly newsletter

In today's episode John and Jim welcome Karl Vaters back to the mic to continue our conversation around his compelling book, De-Sizing the Church. Today Karl reveals what he is most optimistic about and most concerned about regarding pastors and the local churches they serve.

In today's episode John and Jim welcome Karl Vaters to the mic to discuss his bestselling book, De-Sizing the Church. We dig into Karl's research on the church growth movement and explore how discipleship and integrity are the answers to every problem a church encounters.

Join us as our host Joe Epley walks through highlights from the book Small Church Essentials by Karl Vaters. This book is a great resource for practical tips on leading small town ministry. This book highlights good strategies for church health, and proper metrics to measure success that don’t revolve around the numbers. You can purchase Small Church Essentials or Karl Vaters’ other books at the links below: Small Church Essentials The Grasshopper Myth De-Sizing the Church As always if you would like to reach out the show for encouragement, or with feedback and ideas, you can connect with our host Joe Epley at joseph.g.epley@gmail.com

Comments? Questions? Send us a message!This is a podcast done by Karl Vaters (author, Small Church Essentials) and Sean Nemecek, a pastor who ministers to pastors to help keep them vitalized and fruitful.The name of the podcast is The Church Lobby, Conversations on Faith and Ministry. We asked permission to play this episode in its entirety. I think you'll find it to be extremely helpful and practical, dealing with the subject of pastoral sabbaticals. The Why, When, and How. Such a need in today's pastoral and church climate, where pastors are commonly becoming burned out and unhealthy, largely due to the demand upon them in this impossible calling (impossible apart from God's enabling help). For Poimen Ministries, its staff, ministries, and focus, go to poimenministries.com. To contact Poimen Ministries, email us at strongerpastors@gmail.com. May the Lord revive His work in the midst of these years!

Alberto Bello is a church planter in Bakersfield CA, and he's written one of those books everyone says they could write, Ten Things They Didn't Tell Me About Leadership.Karl Vaters talks with Alberto about that book, the experiences that led to it, and the lessons to be learned from it.Including:Knowing who you are in JesusThe Comparison TrapHow failure is necessary for successHow not to be people-pleasing leaderAnd more Links:Ten Things They Didn't Tell Me About Leadership

Mike Rubino is a pastor in the unique ministry environment of Long Island NY. He's also the founder and director of Church Revitalize, which helps churches that need to revitalize their ministry, through cohorts, coaching, and more.Karl Vaters talks with Mike about church revitalization, with a focus on Mike's new workbook, The Revitalize Roadmap: Getting Your Church on the Road to Greater Health.Subjects include:The difference between church growth and church revitalizationThe importance of pastoral health and renewalHow to understand and fix your church's blind spotsIdentifying your church's God-given Geographic ResponsibilityAnd more Links:Church RevitalizeThe Revitalize Roadmap: Getting Your Church on the Road to Greater HealthBeTheChurch.orgBook - Crucial Conversations

Every church should be open to everyone who wants to attend. So, we need to be more purposeful about making sure we're not unintentionally denying access without realizing it.Barbara Stanley oversees Wonderful Works Ministry, which equips churches to serve families affected by disability. They have a large and growing set of resources to help churches of all types.Karl Vaters talks with Barb about a variety of subjects, including:Why disability inclusion mattersHow to come alongside families who are affected by disabilityHow every church can take some simple first steps toward disability inclusionHow to deal with some of the changing language around disability Links:Wonderful Works MinistryPodcast: Wonderful Works TalksThere is no bonus material for this episode.

On this episode of the AVAIL Podcast, we sit down with Karl Vaters, a veteran pastor and author of Desizing the Church, to tackle one of the ministry's most pressing topics: the cultural obsession with church size. Karl shares his journey of shifting from a numbers-driven focus to understanding the profound value of building healthy church communities. Together, they unpack myths surrounding church growth, discuss the challenges of pastoral burnout, and explore the essential role of small churches in the global kingdom. Whether you lead a large congregation or a small church, this conversation will challenge your perspective and inspire you to redefine success in ministry.

A clergy sabbatical is not a luxury for the few, it's an essential element in recalibrating your ministry and reestablishing healthy habits for ministry longevity.Sabbaticals are having a moment right now. With the accelerated pace of life and ministry, we're recognizing their value in a fresh, new way.Sean Nemecek and the team at Pastor In Residence Ministries have been working with pastors for years, helping them get the most out of a sabbatical. And now they've put it all in one place with the Clergy Sabbatical Toolkit,, a practical guide that will help pastors, their congregations, and their families.Karl Vaters talkes with Sean talk about the aspects of an effective sabbatical, including:What is a sabbatical?Why is a sabbatical important for pastors?What's the ideal sabbatical length?Dealing with common objections to taking a sabbaticalFinancial considerationsAnd moreLinks:Clergy Sabbatical Toolkit,Pastor In Residence MinistriesBonus ContentAnger, Depression, and Temptation: Dealing with the Unexpected on Your Sabbatical, with Sean NemecekStuff happens when you step away from the hectic pace of everyday ministry life to take a multi-month sabbatical. Most of it is good, some of it is surprising, and if you're not ready for it, some of it can cause damage.Thankfully, Sean Nemecek and the team at Pastor In Residence Ministries have been working with pastors for years, helping them get the most out of their sabbaticals. And now they've put it all in one place with the Clergy Sabbatical Toolkit.In this conversation, Karl Vaters talks with Sean about some of the unexpected things that happen on sabbatical, so you can be prepared to get the most out of your time of refreshing and renewal.

In an era where the average church in America has an attendance of about 50 people, Karl Vaters talks about desizing the church. Karl also discusses the drug of size, the good and bad of the church growth movement, and what large and small churches get right.