Ta for Ta: Women, Success, China

Bianca Chen is the executive director and producer of Hello, Future! and founder of OX3 TV Productions. Her company’s mission is to enlighten global audiences on how technology will impact the world and humanity through documentaries. Bianca was a journalist and presenter for Reuters TV in the Asian market. Juliana and Bianca talk about the making of her documentary and what she learned throughout the process.

This week, Juliana is joined by Amy Wu, an investment partner on Lightspeed Venture Group’s growth team. She was previously the group chief financial officer and senior vice president for Discovery Inc.’s global digital and sports businesses. Outside of work, she advises and angel-invests in startups in the New York tech community. In this episode, Amy will help you understand what's hot in gaming, direct-to-consumer business, infrastructure in the Asia-Pacific region, and why she is still bullish on China investments. She also offers some key tactical advice on how she navigates male-dominated spaces.

Olivia Plotnick, a WeChat and China marketing specialist, has grown her career alongside the emergence of WeChat and has deep insights into the marketing and ecommerce space through the platform. In this episode, she joins Juliana to discuss organic social media growth, how to sustain a loyal follower base, how mini programs are game-changing features and how to leverage them, and what social media trends have been accelerated by COVID-19. She also provides advice to young professionals on how to get their foot in the door of the marketing and social media industry.

This week, Juliana is joined by Hannah Ryder, the founder and CEO of Development Reimagined, a pioneering international development consultancy and the first Kenyan wholly foreign-owned enterprise in Beijing. It provides strategic advice and practical support to Chinese and international organizations on issues such as the Belt and Road Initiative, Africa’s growth market, development effectiveness, and China’s foreign aid. Hannah is also a former Kenyan and British diplomat, and an economist with over 15 years of experience.

Lan Yan is the vice chairman of investment banking at Lazard and the chairman and CEO of Lazard Greater China. She recently authored the book The House of Yan: A Family at the Heart of a Century in Chinese History. In this episode, Yan shares her story as a young woman growing up during the Cultural Revolution, managing cultural expectations and personal aspirations, and the importance of her mother as an inspirational female figure in her life. Like the podcasts at SupChina? Help us out by taking this brief survey.

After beginning her career as a management consultant, Jenny Dorsey pivoted to a graduate program in business at Columbia. Still dissatisfied after a semester in school, she put her studies on hold and embarked on a personal and professional journey of self-discovery as a chef. This led to a string of gigs working in and around restaurants, and allowed her to pursue her own creative endeavors crafting not just meals but also experiences for her customers. In this episode, Jenny describes her arrival on the food scene in the United States and her work as the founder and creative director of Studio ATAO, a nonprofit that creates live experiences at the crossroads of food, art, and social impact. Like the podcasts at SupChina? Help us out by taking this brief survey.

This week, we are joined by Wu Fei and Abigail Washburn, who recently released a self-titled debut album as a duo. Fei is a composer and a world-renowned player of the guzheng, a string instrument often featured in Chinese folk music. Abigail is a banjo player who has won a Grammy Award for her reinterpretations of traditional Appalachian music. In this episode, Abigail and Fei dive into their creative process behind making music and tell us about the origins of their friendship and newest album.Like the podcasts at SupChina? Help us out by taking this brief survey.

This week’s guest is Esther Chen, a stand-up comedian, actor, and host from Taiwan. Her lighthearted yet no-nonsense approach to life was exactly what we expected from Esther and it pulled Juliana out of her interviewing comfort zone. Throughout this episode, we also hear a more introspective, thoughtful Esther as she navigates questions about identity and success in the acting world.

Stephany Zoo is the head of marketing at AZA and the founder of the China-Africa Tech Initiative. Stephany is a brand builder, an aggressive project manager, and a passionate network architect. In this episode, Stephany and Juliana discuss how empathy and connection can help to translate complex technologies in relevant ways. Stephany is honest about her business ventures — including the ups and downs — but it is clear that she has never lost her entrepreneurial spirit. She is passionate about women's spiritual and professional empowerment and also shares the work that she has done with Phoenix Risen, a platform built to combat sexual harassment and assault.

Tabitha Grace Mallory is a founder and the CEO of the China Ocean Institute, a Public Intellectuals Program fellow at the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations, and an affiliate professor at the Henry M. Jackson School of International Studies at the University of Washington. In this episode, Tabitha and Juliana dive into the complex topic of global ocean governance, discuss Tabitha’s previous work and research experience for institutions like the World Wildlife Fund, and explore the many phases of her career that have brought her to where she is today. 8:54: Seabed mining and China’s distant water fishing industry 20:14: Tabitha’s work and research on ocean governance26:56: Making the right career choices40:56: Balancing research and advocacy

What began as a popular chili sauce, served at dinner clubs hosted by Jenny Gao in Shanghai, has now evolved into the bedrock of a business. Jenny, the founder and CEO of the Sichuan chili sauce company Fly By Jing, describes her path from working in a Beijing tech company to opening a restaurant in Shanghai, training as a chef in Chengdu, and now finally operating her own business from Los Angeles. In this episode, she details her painstaking efforts to source organic ingredients from Sichuan, and as a result, how she is challenging perceptions of what “made in China” means. She also shares her experiences managing the day-to-day operations of Fly By Jing. 16:44: Sourcing organic ingredients from southern China21:08: Building a supply chain in China38:52: Getting products to consumers45:48: What’s in store for Fly By Jing

Eva Xu is both the chief financial officer and chief operating officer of TechNode and TechCrunch China. In this episode, Eva and Juliana dive into Eva’s career background, the challenges and opportunities behind running a media company that covers emerging technology in China, how Chinese tech startups are changing perceptions on early-stage company growth, and more. 8:23: Challenging yourself and your company14:55: Value behind the dual role of CFO and COO19:14: What makes TechNode unique22:44: The difference between Chinese- and English-language coverage and audiences

After her grandmother was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, Emma Yang knew she wanted to do something to help. Using her experience as a coder, she designed the app Timeless, to help Alzheimer’s patients stay engaged by encouraging virtual interaction with friends and family members. In this interview, the 15-year-old phenom tells us about her passion for coding, gives advice for other aspirational and entrepreneurial young women on pursuing their dreams (and how younger people may be more creative than their older counterparts), and highlights the need for tech that is accessible for elderly users. 6:01: Teamwork makes the dream work8:01: “You’re just a young girl.” 14:47: Intergenerational connection is universal27:20: A word of advice to other young women

Peggy Liu, the chairperson of the Joint U.S.-China Cooperation on Clean Energy (JUCCCE), dives into her work as a bridge builder between the United States and China in the sustainability sector. In this episode, she talks about her spearheading the first public dialogue between U.S. and Chinese officials on clean energy in 2006, helping to pioneer smart grid technology in China, and teaching at the National Academy for Mayors of China on building eco-cities. 6:41: What good can come with technological improvements?17:18: How did JUCCCE come to be?23:55: Building eco-cities with mayors across China38:51: Food systems, nutrition, and climate change

Shenzhan Liao, senior vice president and head of the School of Chinese Studies at China Institute in New York City, started as a schoolteacher in Long Island. In this episode, she breaks down the differences in pedagogy in China and the United States, informs us about some new educational services at China Institute, and explains what it takes to create an effective and compelling curriculum for young learners of Chinese.13:01: American and Chinese-language teaching styles22:20: China Institute’s preschool program27:27: The value in studying Chinese language39:51: Education as a bridge between the U.S. and China

Amy Chua, author and John M. Duff Professor of Law at Yale Law School, talks about her past, present and future. She discusses her written works, the process behind her writing (and gives a sneak peek at an upcoming book), her work at Yale Law School and role as a mentor, her family, and the influence of being raised by immigrant parents. 7:24: Confronting failure22:20: Mentoring students at Yale28:29: Sneak peek at Amy’s new book project33:28: Her approach to writing a book

At Junzi Kitchen, food is more than something to just fill you up — it’s a way to bridge divides between people and cultures. In this interview with Wanting Zhang, co-founder and head of business operations at Junzi Kitchen, we discuss her role at the restaurant, the impact it’s having on the food scene in Manhattan, and the individuals she works with who make it possible. 9:26: No work experience? No problem.20:26: Junzi is more than food26:01: Redefining Chinese-American food36:15: Capturing culture in food

What does it take to become a star livestreamer in China, and in what direction is the booming industry trending now? Lauren Hallanan, who garnered over 300K followers on the livestreaming site Momo, provides some insight into the growing, multibillion-dollar industry. Currently, she is the head of marketing at Chatly, and a Chinese social media marketing expert. 5:30: The pressures of live streaming 13:29: Huge growth in education and commerce live streaming26:12: Selling a product online with key opinion leaders31:45: Determining brand success

Rebecca Fannin, author of the recently published Tech Titans of China, talks about her career as a journalist and entrepreneur and her experiences reporting on and doing business in the Chinese tech sector over the past two decades. What to listen for on this week's episode: 10:02: Tech Titans of China14:35: The future of American tech leadership17:02: Artificial intelligence tug-of-war20:45: Will the U.S. ban Chinese IPOs?25:52: China turning to southeast Asia

At what point is the price of preparing children for academic excellence simply too high? To answer this question, Lenora Chu spent years investigating the Chinese educational system, spurred in no small part by her son’s experiences in a public school in Shanghai. Based on her findings, Lenora subsequently wrote the best-selling and hard-hitting exploration of China’s educational system in a global perspective, Little Soldiers: An American Boy, a Chinese School, and the Global Race to Achieve. On this episode, Lenora discusses the challenges of writing a book with such personal subject matter as well as the main takeaways from her up-close comparisons of the U.S. and Chinese educational systems. Enjoyed this episode? Please leave a review on Apple Podcasts and follow @taforta on Twitter.

This week on Ta for Ta, Juliana speaks with Roseann Lake, a journalist with The Economist who is currently covering Cuba and was formerly based in Beijing. She is the author of Leftover in China: The Women Shaping the World’s Next Superpower. In this episode, Roseann discusses her book and her efforts to build an international network to empower women in China who challenge societal expectations regarding marriage and family. She also reveals the secrets behind publishing a book in China, including the challenges of widespread censorship of women’s issues and voices. In addition, she discusses her forthcoming stage play, The Leftover Monologues.  

This week on Ta for Ta, Juliana speaks with Joy Chen, former deputy mayor of Los Angeles and author of Do Not Marry Before Age 30. An internet star and new-media entrepreneur in China, she uses her fame as a platform for her mission: to help 100 million Chinese women realize their full potential. Joy discusses the creative processes and inspiration behind writing her book (which went to print 20 days after being submitted), her experience as a contestant on the Chinese oratory show Super Speaker 超级演说家, where she gave a 15-minute speech entirely in Mandarin with only one day of preparation, and the personal importance of her Chinese identity.   Please leave a review on Apple Podcasts and follow @taforta on Twitter. Let us know what you think of the episode!  

This week on Ta for Ta, Juliana speaks with Elizabeth Knup, the regional director of the China office for the Ford Foundation. On this episode, Elizabeth discusses her jump into the private sector, her job as co-director of the Hopkins-Nanjing Center for Chinese and American Studies, and navigating cultural divides in the business sector after the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in 1999. Elizabeth also provides an introduction to some of the important philanthropic and public interest work that the Ford Foundation currently undertakes in China. Enjoying the Ta for Ta podcast? Follow Ta for Ta on Twitter here.  

This week’s episode of Ta for Ta features Samm Sacks, a Cybersecurity Policy and China Digital Economy Fellow at New America, where her research focuses on emerging information and communication technology policies, especially as they relate to China. Samm leads New America’s DigiChina Data Governance Project, which produces analysis of developments related to data privacy and security, artificial intelligence, and data governance. In this episode, Samm reflects on her (sometimes indirect) career path and strategies for thriving in a traditionally male-dominated industry. Samm also recounts her experiences offering testimony on data governance issues before the U.S. Congress, and her concerns about the future of U.S.-China relations in this complex and constantly evolving field.  Follow Ta for Ta on Twitter here, and please rate and leave a review on iTunes.

This week, Juliana spoke with Jen Loong, the managing director for Greater China at HYPE. Prior to her work in venture capital, Jen led Hong Kong and China market entries for Groupon, Lululemon, and TOMS. At Lululemon, she built the initial retail team and showroom presence while introducing yoga as a concept and practice at events throughout Hong Kong and China. At TOMS, she launched the brand through retail distribution of more than 28 flagship stores, an ecommerce setup, celebrity endorsements, and grassroots shoe-giving partnerships to activate social giving as a lifestyle. She recently founded WanderSnap, a company that connects creatives with families and businesses to create original content for roughly 58 cities in Asia. Jen also discusses her roots in Shanghainese culture, the critical importance of mental wellness as an entrepreneur, and her perspective on the early days of Alipay.  

This week on Ta for Ta, Juliana speaks with Heather White, the director of the documentary film Complicit and the founder and former executive director of Verité, a nonprofit that advocates for labor rights and partners with entities in both the public and private sector. The conversation follows Heather’s career and interactions with China — tangentially at first, as an undergraduate at Harvard, before she moved there to work after the United States established trade relations with the People’s Republic of China. She spent years shining a light on labor injustices and conducting audits in China on behalf of major U.S. brands.

Leta is a best-selling author, journalist, and scholar. Fluent in Mandarin, she is the first American to receive a Ph.D. from Tsinghua University’s Department of Sociology. Leta has written for the New York Times, the Washington Post, The Guardian, Ms. magazine, the BBC, CNN, and many others. She received the Sigma Delta Chi Award for excellence in journalism in 2002 for her China reporting. She is also the author of two best-selling, critically acclaimed books: Betraying Big Brother: The Feminist Awakening in China (2018) and Leftover Women: The Resurgence of Gender Inequality in China (2014). Identified by The Telegraph as an "awesome woman to follow on Twitter," Leta was named a Mellon Visiting Assistant Professor at Columbia University and recently moved to New York.

Mei Zhang, a native of Yunnan Province, is the founder and CEO of WildChina, an award-winning luxury sustainable travel company based in Beijing. Mei holds an M.B.A. from Harvard Business School and worked as a consultant for McKinsey & Company until she found her true passion during an arduous pilgrimage on a Tibetan mountain: sustainable travel. Mei subsequently founded WildChina in 2000. A few years later, in 2009, WildChina was recognized as one of the world’s best adventure travel companies by National Geographic Adventure magazine. That same year, Mei was named as one of Travel + Leisure’s A-List of Top Travel Advisors — an accolade she has earned every year since then. In 2016, Mei was identified as a Condé Nast Traveler Top Travel Specialist. WildChina now has offices in China and the U.S. Its business model is presented as a case study to all first-year students at Harvard Business School. Passionate about unlocking authentic travel experiences for the forever-curious Chinese traveler, in 2011, Mei began another endeavor — Beshan Travel, which strives to introduce a “chic travel lifestyle” to Chinese consumers. Mei’s first book, Travels Through Dali With a Leg of Ham, was published in 2016. The book is a beautifully illustrated chronicle of her return to her culinary and cultural roots in Yunnan. Mei lives in Berkeley, California, with her husband and three children. Mei’s Twitter | WildChina website | Beshan Travel website

Rebecca Liao is the executive vice president of Skuchain, a blockchain platform that provides an end-to-end solution for the supply chain. She is also a writer and China analyst. Rebecca was a member of Secretary Clinton’s foreign policy team for her 2016 presidential campaign, responsible for Asia trade and economic policy. Her writing has appeared in the New York Times, the Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, The Atlantic, The National Interest, Bloomberg View, n+1, the Georgetown Journal of International Affairs, the Times Literary Supplement, ChinaFile, The Diplomat, Huffington Post, Dissent magazine, The New Inquiry, the LA Review of Books, The China Story Journal, and Tea Leaf Nation. She regularly comments on China for Deutsche Welle and Channel NewsAsia and has also appeared on HuffPost Live and SiriusXM Radio.  A graduate of Stanford University, where she studied economics, and Harvard Law School, Rebecca founded The Aleph Mag, a digital magazine about art, culture, and Chinese law and politics. She serves as co-chair of the Brookings Society and is a member of the board of directors of Words Without Borders, Voices of Music, and the Wagner Society of Northern California. She is also a member of the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations. In addition, Rebecca is a jazz and opera singer. Twitter: @beccaliao | Rebecca’s LinkedIn | Skuchain’s website 

Sarah Keenlyside began her career as an investigative journalist at the Sunday Times newspaper in London before moving to China in 2005 to set up Time Out's first English-language publication. After seeing a number of visitors struggle to navigate Beijing during the 2008 Olympics, she was inspired to launch the Bespoke Travel Company, which quickly grew from a one-woman outfit to the tour service of choice for high-profile clients, including Matt Damon, Metallica, Apple, and Warner Bros. Passionate about entrepreneurship, women in the workplace, and mental health issues, Sarah has given talks on all of these topics to a wide variety of groups. She was also a finalist for the “Inspiring Woman Award” in the 2018 British Business Awards hosted by the British Chamber of Commerce. Ta for Ta is a biweekly podcast focused on capturing the lives of women in and from Greater China at the top of their professional game. Sarah Keenlyside Website: https://bespoketravelcompany.com/ WeChat: BespokeBeijing Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BespokeBeijing/ Twitter: @BespokeBeijing Instagram: @bespokebeijing  

Samantha Kwok's passion is to help young graduates and professionals make genuine connections with potential employers, and empower them to take control of their own career development. She is the founder of JingJobs, an online and offline platform dedicated to connecting China-focused startups and fresh bilingual talent. Over the last four years, JingJobs has serviced over 800 companies and has provided countless job opportunities to young professionals based in Beijing and Shanghai. As the president of the Beijing Women’s Network, which has over 4,000 members, Sam facilitates events and workshops that provide training in workplace skills that are relevant across various industries. Five years ago, Sam moved to Beijing, where she founded JingJobs at the age of 22. She received a WeWork Creator Award in 2018 and was a TEDx speaker in Dalian in 2017. Ta for Ta is a biweekly podcast focused on capturing the lives of women in and from Greater China at the top of their professional game. Samantha Kwok 郭婷婷 JingJobs.com Website: www.jingjobs.com, www.hr-butler.com, and cn.hr-butler.com WeChat: getjinged Facebook: www.facebook.com/jingjobs Twitter: @JingJobs Instagram: @jingjobs WeChat: kwoksamantha  

This week, Juliana visited Libby Lam, a mother and children's book author and illustrator, at her alma mater, the Savannah College of Art and Design in Hong Kong. She took the time to discuss her dramatic career switch and share more about her professional philosophy. We learn how her time in the corporate world at PepsiCo and the Walt Disney Company influenced her, why she decided to write in English instead of Chinese, and why she made the decision to go back to school. Ta for Ta is a biweekly podcast focused on capturing the lives of women in and from Greater China at the top of their professional game.

Jamie Barys is the Chief Eating Officer of UnTour Food Tours, China's top-ranked food tour operator. A native of Tennessee, Jamie believes that the best way to get to know a culture is to eat your way through it. Whether she’s exploring China's hidden hole-in-the-wall restaurants or sneaking back into kitchens to snag behind-the-scenes recipes, she’s always hungry for more. Never one to keep a good thing to herself, Jamie co-founded UnTour Food Tours in 2010 to help visitors discover China's best-kept culinary secrets. Jamie has been living (and eating) in China since 2007. Ta for Ta is a new biweekly podcast, hosted by Juliana Batista, which captures the narratives of women from Greater China at the top of their professional game. “Ta for Ta” is a play on the Chinese spoken language that demonstrates equality between the sexes. Tā 他 is the word for “he”; tā 她 is also the word for “she.” For more musings and links about the people and topics covered in Ta for Ta, check out Juliana’s Medium page. Juliana loves to hear from listeners — send her a message at ta.for.ta.china@gmail.com.

In this week's episode of Ta for Ta, Juliana sits down with Tiffany Ap, the China bureau chief for Women's Wear Daily. In her reporting, Tiffany covers how the worlds of fashion, beauty, and business interact. On Ta for Ta today, we explore retail and fashion in China, and answer questions such as: Why are Chinese consumers flying to Turkey to buy handbags? Why doesn't China have a big luxury house yet? Why is the daigou (代购 dàigòu) shopping phenomenon still relevant? We also get her expert advice on what works — and doesn't — for Western brands that have expanded to China. Ta for Ta is a new biweekly podcast, which captures the narratives of women from Greater China at the top of their professional game. “Ta for Ta” is a play on the Chinese spoken language that demonstrates equality between the sexes. Tā 他 is the word for “he”; tā 她 is also the word for “she.” For more musings and links about the people and topics covered in Ta for Ta, check out Juliana’s Medium page. Juliana loves to hear from listeners — send her a message at ta.for.ta.china@gmail.com.

Joan Kaufman is the New York-based Senior Director for Academic Programs at Schwarzman Scholars, a newly launched elite international master’s program training leaders in global affairs at Tsinghua University in China. She is also a Lecturer in Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School. As an expert on both China and global health policy, she was Director of Columbia University’s Global Center for East Asia (Beijing) from 2012-2016 and Associate Professor of Health Policy and Management at Columbia’s Mailman School of Public Health. Her experience in China goes back to 1980, when she was the first international program officer for the United Nations Population Fund, and since then she has lived and worked in the country for 15 years. Ta for Ta is a new biweekly podcast, which captures the narratives of women from Greater China at the top of their professional game. “Ta for Ta” is a play on the Chinese spoken language that demonstrates equality between the sexes. Tā 他 is the word for “he”; tā 她 is also the word for “she.” For more musings and links about the people and topics covered in Ta for Ta, check out Juliana's Medium page. Juliana loves to hear from listeners — send her a message at ta.for.ta.china@gmail.com. 

In Ta for Ta’s debut episode on the Sinica Podcast Network, we featured Chenni Xu, a corporate communications executive and gender advocate. She moved back to New York after spending nearly a decade abroad in Beijing. Tune in to hear about the #MeToo movement in China and the proponents at the fore, Chenni’s views on gender inequality and professional representation for women, as well as her own experiences as a woman and an Asian American in China. Ta for Ta is a new biweekly podcast, which captures the narratives of women from Greater China at the top of their professional game. “Ta for Ta” is a play on the Chinese spoken language that demonstrates equality between the sexes. Tā 他 is the word for “he”; tā 她 is also the word for “she.” For more musings and links relevant to this episode of Ta for Ta, check out this post on Juliana’s Medium page. Juliana loves to hear from listeners — send her a message at ta.for.ta.china@gmail.com.

Our episode today features Anla Cheng, Founder and CEO of SupChina - the premier digital news platform about China which aims to inform and educate an English speaking audience. What struck me about Anla is that she has such an incredible poise and presence, certainly acquired from much wisdom in both finance and journalism. We really dig into the importance of portraying China genuinely through the media, what it means to break through the "bamboo ceiling", and how resilience and courage key to a sustainable career.

I had the pleasure of sitting down with Alice Mong, Executive Director at Asia Society Hong Kong Center, amid their outdoor sculpture garden on a Friday afternoon. We talk about “being inspired” by Asia Society and how Hong Kong has spirit, but not yet soul. Bubbling with energy, she peppered our conversation with the most fascinating museums, documentaries, lectures, and art that are capturing her attention right now. We also get into the details of China’s current museum development and how China can deliver culture to the masses through non-traditional pathways. This is an episode you can’t miss...

We sat down with COO and Co-founder of Clare.AI, Bianca Ho, in her Hong Kong office recently. As we began chatting, she revealed more about her company's hypothesis on the world - "letting everyone speak in their local language". Also covered - crouching tigers and hidden dragons, and how everyone on Bianca's team is doing something impossible...

After a much anticipated return we had the chance to chat with Miranda Wang - biologist, environmental advocate, and entrepreneur. As co-founder and CEO of Biocellection, she aims to turn plastic waste into a concept of the past through innovation. We discuss why culture is a product of design, why she is so rebellious, and even get into some technical aspects of plastic recycling. Questions? Suggestions? Want to be interviewed? Contact ta.for.ta.china@gmail.com

In today's episode we feature Carol Li Rafferty from the Yale Center Beijing. During our candid conversation we learn more about her "Lean In" circle and personal network as well as her professional endeavors. Stay tuned to lean in with Carol.

Today Sara and Juliana discuss the why behind Ta for Ta podcast. Feedback? Email ta.for.ta.china@gmail.com

Our episode features Tian Wei, anchor of World Insight with Tian Wei. World Insight is CCTV's prime talk show and a platform for debate on world news. We will talk about how Tian Wei earned the nickname 'lady in the back' and how her grandmother's cooking brought their community together. We will also discuss the role of political dialogue in the U.S. and China and her involvement with a development project on a matrilineal community in Yunnan, Western China. We were so impressed with her candid demeanor and relentless spirit, and hope you are too! Don't forget to subscribe to our channel and chat with us at ta.for.ta.china@gmail.com.

This episode features Yinuo Li, current China director of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, previous McKinsey partner, and one of the pioneers building bridges between China and the U.S. In this episode we discuss why Western media gets it wrong, why her grandmother bravely pulled a Mulan to gain education, and even why our professor has brainwashed us. We are excited to share the first episode of Ta for Ta!

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