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A Little Greek, A Little Sci-Fi The final half of the list of 2025 book reviews has more Greek, more sci-fi, and more indiepub goodness. Romance in space and space opera, talking pigs and talking frogs, first contact with aliens and first contact with demons, and good church history hymns and bad biblical archeology. TIMELINE: 00:00:00 – Introduction 00:00:25 – Medea by Euripides 00:01:56 – The Trojan Women by Euripides 00:03:13 – Charlotte's Web by E.B. White 00:06:40 – The Breadth of Creation by C.S. Johnson 00:08:40 – Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds 00:12:34 – Prince Caspian by C.S. Lewis 00:14:16 – The Clouds by Aristophanes 00:16:23 – The Frogs by Aristophanes 00:17:48 – Shoot the Devil – Ten Tales of Humans Defeating the Demonic edited by Eric Postma 00:22:48 – Lifebinder by Blake Carpenter 00:26:48 – Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein 00:29:39 – Theogony – Works and Days by Hesiod 00:31:22 – Blind Devotion – A Tale of the Van Meter Visitor by Ty Drago 00:33:39 – The Last Summer – A Tale of the Glawackus by Jacob Jones-Goldstein 00:35:34 – 3 Black Nights – An Urban Fantasy Horror Triple Feature! By T.J. Marquis 00:39:51 – The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein 00:44:21 – Record of The Paladins – Book of Ivon and Ivoire by BP McCoppin 00:47:48 – After Moses Prodigal by Michael F. Kane 00:52:14 – The Shepherd Descends by J.A. Raithe 00:55:50 – Atlas of World War II – History’s Greatest Conflict Revealed Through Rare Wartime Maps and New Cartography Stephen G. Hyslop 00:58:26 – Stones Still Speak – How Biblical Archaeology Illuminates the Stories You Thought You Knew Amanda Hope Haley 01:02:59 – The One Year Book of Hymns – 365 Devotions Based on Popular Hymns Robert K. Brown , Mark Norton 01:04:35 – The Door in the Wall by Marguerite de Angeli 01:07:32 – DIEROCK 88 by S.A. Oliver 01:11:05 – Before The Coffee Gets Cold by Toshikazu Kawaguchi 01:14:45 – Conclusion Books mentioned in this episode: Medea by Euripides Kindle Paperback         The Trojan Women by Euripides Kindle Paperback           Charlotte's Web by E.B. White Kindle Paperback Audible         The Breadth of Creation by C.S. Johnson Kindle Paperback Audible         Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds Kindle  Paperback Audible         Prince Caspian by C.S. Lewis Paperback           The Clouds by Aristophanes Kindle Paperback         The Frogs by Aristophanes Paperback           Shoot the Devil – Ten Tales of Humans Defeating the Demonic edited by Eric Postma Kindle Paperback           Lifebinder by Blake Carpenter Kindle Paperback           Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein Kindle Paperback Audible         Theogony – Works and Days by Hesiod Kindle Paperback Audible         Blind Devotion – A Tale of the Van Meter Visitor by Ty Drago Kindle Paperback         The Last Summer – A Tale of the Glawackus by Jacob Jones-Goldstein Kindle Paperback           3 Black Nights – An Urban Fantasy Horror Triple Feature! By T.J. Marquis Kindle             The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein Kindle Paperback Audible           Record of The Paladins – Book of Ivon and Ivoire by BP McCoppin Kindle Paperback Audible           After Moses Prodigal by Michael F. Kane Kindle Paperback           The Shepherd Descends by J.A. Raithe Kindle Paperback Audible         Atlas of World War II – History’s Greatest Conflict Revealed Through Rare Wartime Maps and New Cartography Stephen G. Hyslop Hardcover           Stones Still Speak – How Biblical Archaeology Illuminates the Stories You Thought You Knew Amanda Hope Haley Kindle Paperback Audible         The One Year Book of Hymns – 365 Devotions Based on Popular Hymns Robert K. Brown , Mark Norton Paperback           The Door in the Wall by Marguerite de Angeli Kindle Paperback Audible           DIEROCK 88 by S.A. Oliver Kindle Paperback Audible           Before The Coffee Gets Cold by Toshikazu Kawaguchi Kindle Paperback All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com  

A Little Greek, A Little Sci-Fi 2025 kicked off my goal of reading the great books of Western Civilization. So in typical fashion I read a little Greek, a little sci-fi, and a smattering of everything else. Indiepub still factored into the list with some hits and misses, just like the tradpubs. As always, the goal we should all have isn’t quantity it’s quality. But quality doesn’t just mean classic great books, it means books you enjoy and changes you and allows you to experience escapism and learn more about God’s world as He is the ultimate storyteller. TIMELINE: 00:00:00 – Introduction 00:04:14 – The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis 00:07:06 – The God Frequency by Douglas Hemme 00:10:40 – Amorphous – Breaking the Mold by Steven Burgess 00:12:06 – Spectrum Multiview Christian Ethics Four Views edited by Steve Wilkens 00:18:18 – The Peace War by Vernor Vinge 00:22:37 – Greek for the Rest of Us by William D. Mounce 00:26:05 – The Iliad by Homer 00:32:09 – Peter Pan by J.M. Barrie 00:34:31 – Flight of the Eagles by Gilbert L. Morris 00:37:21 – Sundered by Ernie Laurence Jr. 00:38:55 – Horus Rising by Dan Abnett 00:41:37 – The Odyssey by Homer 00:43:17 – D’Aulaires’ Book of Greek Myths by Ingri d’Aulaire 00:44:46 – The Secret Door by Jenny Phillips 00:46:59 – Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir 00:49:34 – Passing the Torch An Apology for Classical Christian Education by Louis Markos 00:53:21 – The Core by Leigh A. Bortins 00:56:06 – Agamemnon by Aeschylus 00:59:10 – The Libation Bearers by Aeschylus 01:00:39 – The Eumenides by Aeschylus 01:02:29 – The Air We Breathe How We All Came to Believe in Freedom, Kindness, Progress, and Equality by Glen Scrivener 01:05:11 – Adam of the Road by Elizabeth Janet Gray 01:07:00 – Maisie Dobbs by Jacqueline Winspear 01:09:45 – The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry 01:12:15 – Mr. Popper’s Penguins by Richard Atwater 01:13:37 – Oedipus Rex by Sophocles 01:16:36 – Oedipus at Colonus by Sophocles 01:18:39 – Antigone by Sophocles 01:21:12 – To Be Continued Next Week Books mentioned in this episode: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis Kindle Paperback Audible The God Frequency by Douglas Hemme Kindle Paperback Audible Amorphous – Breaking the Mold by Steven Burgess Kindle Paperback Spectrum Multiview Christian Ethics Four Views edited by Steve Wilkens Kindle  Paperback  CaveToTheCross Episodes – wwww.CaveToTheCross.com/ChristianEthics The Peace War by Vernor Vinge Kindle Paperback Greek for the Rest of Us by William D. Mounce Kindle Paperback The Iliad by Homer Kindle Paperback Audible Peter Pan by J.M. Barrie Kindle Paperback Audible Flight of the Eagles by Gilbert L. Morris Kindle Paperback Audible Sundered by Ernie Laurence Jr. Kindle Horus Rising by Dan Abnett Kindle Paperback  Audible The Odyssey by Homer Kindle Paperback  D’Aulaires’ Book of Greek Myths by Ingri d’Aulaire Kindle Paperback Audible The Secret Door by Jenny Phillips Paperback Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir Kindle Paperback Audible Passing the Torch An Apology for Classical Christian Education by Louis Markos Kindle Paperback Audible The Core by Leigh A. Bortins Kindle Paperback  Audible Agamemnon by Aeschylus Kindle Paperback The Libation Bearers by Aeschylus Kindle Paperback The Eumenides by Aeschylus Kindle Paperback The Air We Breathe How We All Came to Believe in Freedom, Kindness, Progress, and Equality by Glen Scrivener Kindle Paperback  Audible  Adam of the Road by Elizabeth Janet Gray Paperback Audible Maisie Dobbs by Jacqueline Winspear Kindle Paperback Audible The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry Kindle Paperback Mr. Popper’s Penguins by Richard Atwater Kindle  Paperback Audible Oedipus Rex by Sophocles Kindle Paperback Oedipus at Colonus by Sophocles Kindle Paperback Antigone by Sophocles Kindle Paperback All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

Andreas Köstenberger Interview Redux Here are two of our interviews with the great Andreas Köstenberger. The first part was discussing his book in response to Bart Ehrman that we did on the show. The second being a join interview with Andreas Köstenberger and his co-author Gregory Goswell on their amazing Biblical Theology book. I have more Köstenberger books in my collection and have referenced his work in almost every message at church I’ve taught. He’s a blessing to the Church and a godly worker in the Lord. Enjoy listening to these interviews and a dream come true from my standpoint. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 01:44 – How Does He Write So Much?! 04:41 – The Importance Of Writing With Others 06:31 – On The Importance Of John & “Signs Of The Messiah” 08:23 – From Atheist Economist To Christian Theologian 14:09 – Setting His Target On Bart Ehrman 17:36 – The Inspiration For “Truth In A Culture Of Doubt” 19:00 – The Skeptic’s Problem Of The Problem Of Evil 23:15 – Bart Ehrman – The Poor Man’s Theologian 26:15 – Bart Ehrman’s Two Audiences 29:02 – The Layout Of “Truth In A Culture Of Doubt” 36:46 – Bart & Bauer Still Going – Why? 43:00 – Christianity Has A Reliance On Written Texts At The Beginning 47:23 – The Future & Needs Of New Testament Scholarship 49:25 – The Desire For Academics To Throw Out Truths Of Christianity 54:15 – Where Andreas Köstenberger Thinks The Future Of Apologetics Is Going 58:30 – Biblical Foundations Organization & Its Impact 01:02:25 – A Quick Review Of Biblical Theology 01:02:53 – The Division Of Labor & Working Together 01:06:13 – Biblical Theology Vs. Systematic Theology Or Partnership? 01:10:31 – How Biblical Theology Helps Our Presuppositions 01:15:40 – You Too Can Do Biblical Theology 01:17:30 – Ethics In Focus In Biblical Theology 01:27:07 – Theologians Share Surprises In Biblical Theology 01:31:28 – How To Use The Biblical Theology Book 01:36:10 – Other Points About The Book 01:38:57 – Conclusion LINKS LINKS To Andreas Köstenberger Biblical Foundations Facebook Twitter LINKS To Gregory Goswell https://christcollege.edu.au/faculty/greg-goswell/ LINKS: 09:50 – Finding Truth Playlist 14:17 – Ehrman Vs. Wallace Debate 25:36 – Ehrman Vs. White Debate 32:48 – Atheists Should Be Consistently Skeptical 37:09 – Michael J. Kruger Mashup Books mentioned in this episode: Books mentioned in this episode: Truth In A Culture Of Doubt – Engaging Skeptical Challenges to the Bibleby Andreas Köstenberger, Darrell Bock, and Josh Chatraw Kindle – https://amzn.to/2JX62lL Paperback – https://amzn.to/3hoREkW Signs Of The Messiah – An Introduction to John's Gospel by Andreas Köstenberger Kindle – https://amzn.to/3eM4W9r Hardcover – https://amzn.to/33PBGrU Finding Truth – 5 Principles for Unmasking Atheism, Secularism, and Other God Substitutes by Nancy Pearcey Kindle – https://amzn.to/3ohuxKj Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3eQ1RFh Audible – https://amzn.to/33N0yka Truth Matters – Confident Faith in a Confusing World by Andreas Köstenberger, Darrell Bock, and Josh Chatraw Kindle – https://amzn.to/3fcwVhu Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3fjcQWR Paperback – https://amzn.to/33JGU8N Jesus And The Eyewitnesses – The Gospels as Eyewitness Testimony by Richard Bauckham Kindle – https://amzn.to/3uI6Ltv Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3bsseik Paperback – https://amzn.to/3tQlx03 How To Be An Atheist – Why Many Skeptics Aren’t Skeptical Enough by Mitch Stokes Kindle – https://amzn.to/2Qgv0zW Paperback – https://amzn.to/3huJebU The Heresy Of Orthodoxy – How Contemporary Culture’s Fascination with Diversity Has Reshaped Our Understanding of Early Christianity by Michael J. Kruger & Andreas Köstenberger Kindle – https://amzn.to/2QjvxRR Paperback – https://amzn.to/3v4hpuZ Christianity At The Crossroads – How the Second Century Shaped the Future of the Church by Michael J. Kruger Kindle – https://amzn.to/3hn95SU Paperback – https://amzn.to/33JYCJ8 The Cradle, the Cross, and the Crown: An Introduction to the New Testament by Andreas Köstenberger, L. Scott Kellum, Charles L Quarles Kindle – https://amzn.to/3tMb45U Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3hqkeCx Women in the Church – An Interpretation and Application of 1 Timothy 2:9-15 by Andreas Köstenberger & Thomas R. Schreiner Kindle – https://amzn.to/3w2d1fZ Paperback – https://amzn.to/2QlaQ7Y God’s Design for Man and Woman – A Biblical-Theological Survey by Andreas Köstenberger & Margaret Elizabeth Köstenberger Kindle – https://amzn.to/33McqTz Paperback – https://amzn.to/2RUNXZE Apologetics At The Cross – An Introduction for Christian Witness by Josh Chatraw Kindle – https://amzn.to/3fh9pjx Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3uWI5O0 Audible – https://amzn.to/3uT8koD Telling A Better Story – How to Talk About God in a Skeptical Age by Josh Chatraw Kindle – https://amzn.to/3ybiiUl Paperback – https://amzn.to/33N245Q Audible – https://amzn.to/3ygRge8 Evidence That Demands A Verdict – Life-Changing Truth for a Skeptical World by Josh McDowell & Sean McDowell Kindle – https://amzn.to/3hqqZ77 Hardcover – https://amzn.to/3fjeCat Audible – https://amzn.to/2RlxyNO God, Marriage, And Family – Rebuilding the Biblical Foundation by Andreas Köstenberger & David W. Jones Kindle – https://amzn.to/3v0stt3 Paperback – https://amzn.to/2RSwaSK Biblical Theology: A Canonical, Thematic, and Ethical Approach Kindle Hardcover Logos Crossway Text and Paratext: Book Order, Title, and Division as Keys to Biblical Interpretation by Gregory Goswell All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

Church History Matters Redux I absolutely love the people God has brought together in the scope of doing this podcast. One very good friend is Troy Frasier who helps run the Revived Thoughts podcast which takes sermons of the past and gets people to record them so they can be heard now in the present. I know! What a great concept! Here’s Troy and I sitting down to talk about why Church History matters for us today and all people in God’s historical timeline. Enjoy! TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 04:43 – Why Listen To Sermons From Church History 11:55 – How To Listen To Sermons Of History For The Ears Of Today 19:04 – The Sung Heroes Of Church History Should Be Sung 22:13 – The Unsung Heroes Of Church History Should Be Sung 23:35 – God’s Word Inspires People To Make History 26:04 – The Outlook We Can Have Because Of What Others Did In History 28:56 – The Definition Of Church History & Who’s Included 32:17 – The Christian Message Moves People To Move It 33:32 – Are You Letting The Gospel Move You? 42:22 – To Be Continued…Right Now! 42:32 – Looking Into The Past Of Church History To Live It Today 48:08 – Making Church History That Lasts Throughout History 51:14 – Don’t Look To Pop Culture When Church History Has The Hereos To Look At 55:33 – Scary Church History May Not Look Like Me! 01:00:27 – Should We Include Catholics In Church History? Mormons? JWs? 01:04:25 – Need A Biblical View Of History To Be Fair To People Of History 01:09:47 – The Hard Work Resulting From Church History Is Evident 01:12:45 – The Great Good For The World Christians Have Done In History 01:17:13 – The Judgement Of God When The Church Is Removed From Society 01:20:38 – Where To Find Good Resources On Church History 01:26:01 – Conclusion – Church History Matters! LINKS Revived Thoughts Martyrs & Missionaries Revived Devos Revived Radio Revived Thoughts Facebook Revived Thoughts Twitter MissionQuest – Support The Frasiers Cave To The Cross On Revived Thoughts Every episode we’ve done for Revived Thoughts can be found here – CaveToTheCross.com/RevivedThoughts Revived Thoughts Episodes Mentioned 03:32 – Martyrs & Missionaries – The Rise and Fall of Christianity in Japan Part I 03:32 – Martyrs & Missionaries – The Rise and Fall of Christianity in Japan Part II 15:06 – David Livingstone: Who will carry on the work? 15:06 – David Livingstone: The Heart Of Africa 15:11 – George Matheson: The Patience of Job 18:32 – Henry Grattan Guinness: Christian Charity (Feat. Dr. Os Guinness) 29:46 – Anselm: The Storm of the Last Days 30:00 – Deep Dive: The Story of Ethiopia 01:21:44 – Lightkeepers Reviews & Links Books mentioned in this episode: The Life and Diary of David Brainerd by Jonathan Edwards Kindle Paperback Audible The Downgrade Controversy by Charles Spurgeon Kindle Paperback All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

Atheist Knows How God Would Act If He Did Exist Throughout this second part of Stein’s opening, he shows himself to be an atheist who doesn’t believe in God but definitively knows how that god would act if he did exist. Stein attempts to conflate logical contradiction with a psychological ickiness he perceives in the argument for God. Suffering, evil, justice, and how to act are things Stein knows how his made up god would act – a weird thing for someone who claims that he just lacks a belief. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 02:10 – All God Has To Do Is Appear To A Group Of People For Stein To Believe 06:14 – Stein Is Just Using His Unargued Presuppositions 10:00 – Stein Thinks He His god Wouldn’t Allow Suffering 12:48 – Stein Doesn’t Provide His Basis For Evil Or Good Or Logic 17:04 – Stein Doesn’t Think Sin Or Justice Is Fair 20:55 – Stein Doesn’t Believe In God Because Of Religious Pluralism 21:44 – Stein Sees Christianity As A Failure Because Christians Can Be Bad 24:06 – Stein Should Ask These Questions To A Christian 27:52 – What Does Stein Think He’s Left With? 29:33 – Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate – Does God Exist? – Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

Where Can One Stand To Call Out Evil? For the second opening to The Great Debate, Dr. Stein wants to call out Christians for not having any good proofs and also having a system that allows evil to be present in a world created by God. However, one must ask, where can one stand to call out evil? Or even good for that matter. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 02:34 – Two Main Cases For Why God’s Existence Hasn’t Been Proven 03:34 – Long Period Of Time With Failure Of Main Arguments For God’s Existence 06:37 – The Problem Of Evil Is An Issue For Theists 08:02 – God Definitely Doesn’t Exist But If He Did Exist He Wouldn’t Allow Evil 09:23 – Atheists Fail To Establish An Evil Standard Exists For Them To Use The Problem Of Evil 12:57 – Stein Not Convinced Of Next Life Justice Takes Care Of Evil 16:15 – Stein Allows For God Not To Be All Powerful – Uses Specific Christian Attack 17:22 – Stein Does Not Buy The Free Will Defense – One That Bahnsen Didn’t Make 18:04 – The Atheist Putting Onto The Christian Elements Of Their Worldview 22:48 – Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate – Does God Exist? – Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

Stein’s Assessment So Far Now it’s Gordon Stein’s turn to assess the debate so far. With Stein’s assessment he believes that Bahnsen hasn’t offered anything other than feelings based arguments and non sequiturs. He doesn’t feel the need to offer an explanation for why the universe exists and he sees laws of science, logic, and math only as agreed upon by consensus items. Why? What’s wrong with that? TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 02:34 – Does The Universe Require A Cause? 03:56 – Looking For How God Created 05:43 – God Is Very Knowable 08:04 – Scientific & Logic Laws Are Just Consensus According To Atheist 11:25 – Philosophical Death Is The Result 12:33 – Math Is Also Consensus 15:27 – An Atheist Universe Has Regularity Because Of Internal Properties 16:56 – The Cause Of The Universe Must Be A Part Of It Says Atheist 20:56 – Do Atheists Destroy All History Or Are Christians Only Feelings-Based? 25:35 – Stein Finally Deals With The Transcendental Argument 31:04 – Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate – Does God Exist? – Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

Bahnsen’s Assessment So Far Essentially round one is over and both debaters are going to give their take of the Great Debate. In Bahnsen’s assessment so far, he finds that Stein has not addressed his main argument for God and has also given up the debate with the idea that the laws of logic are just social conventions agreed upon by people. But – is that how people view logic and operate in their daily lives? TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 01:25 – The Atheist Isn’t Debating The Christian Yet 05:45 – Stein Hasn’t Dealt With Bahnsen’s Argument At All 07:13 – Stein’s Problematic Atheist Idea Of The Laws Of Logic 18:38 – The Atheist Unknowingly Gives The Win To The Christian By Convention 21:11 – Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate – Does God Exist? – Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute All episodes, short clips, & blog – https://www.cavetothecross.com

The First Sparring Of The Great Debate The first sparring of The Great Debate takes place here with the Christian & atheist getting five questions to ask for the other to answer. While we aren't used to this format, this really lays out the needed back and forth interaction that a lot of debates lack within a formal structure. It's not the blood-sport debates we're used to on YouTube but it helps with each side making sure the other is interacting with their points the best. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 03:22 - Q1 - Source For Atheism Definition 04:03 - A1 - Source Cited 05:15 - Q2 - Cite The Argument Used By Bahnsen 05:36 - A2 - No But You Believe It 06:49 - Q3 - Where's The Transcendental Argument 07:50 - A3 - No Because It's Not A Proof 08:12 - Commentary - Stein Was Helpful For Presuppositionalists 10:49 - Q4 - All Questions Answered The Same Way 11:08 - A4 - No They Are Not 11:34 - Q5 & A5 - What Does An Atheist Believe Laws Of Logic Are 14:21 - Atheist 14:41 - Q1 & Q2 - The Nature Of God 17:04 - Q2 & A2 - Is Your God All The Omnis 17:33 - Q3 & Q3 - If Argument Is Wrong Will God Not Exist 17:56 - Commentary - A Clarifying Comment On A "Problematic" Bahnsen 20:25 - Q4 & A4 - Is God Good 24:43 - Q5 & A5 - Can You Prove The Soul 26:38 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate - Does God Exist? - Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

9 More Attempts To Disprove God Here are 9 more attempts by Dr. Gordon Stein to levy his critiques against traditional arguments for God. With all 11 of them, has there been any that have addressed the claims presented by Dr. Greg Bahnsen? What do you think about these critiques? TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:54 - The Revealed Theology Argument Taken Down - No Circles 02:57 - Presuppositional Christian Responds - Two Issues 06:20 - The Miracles Argument Taken Down - No Begging Allowed 07:56 - Presuppositional Christian Responds - Only Atheists Can Beg It Seems 10:35 - The Perfect God Argument Taken Down - Existence First 12:26 - Presuppositional Christian Responds - Agrees With Being Careful 13:37 - The Moral Argument Taken Down - Not Need & Different Values 15:29 - The Wish Argument Taken Down - Nice But Not True 16:21 - The Faith Argument Taken Down - No Reason Unless Reason 17:24 - Presuppositional Christian Responds - All Reason Rests On Faith 20:09 - The Religious Experience Argument Taken Down - It's Only Feelings 21:56 - Presuppositional Christian Responds - Agree But For Different Reasons 22:30 - The Pascal's Wager Argument Taken Down - How To Pick? 25:06 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate - Does God Exist? - Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Atheist Attempts To Disprove God It's now Dr. Gordon Stein's turn in the debate. This atheist attempts to disprove God in 11 different ways. However, what seems to happen here is the use of an odd definition for God and an actual need for one more argument - the one Dr. Bahnsen uses. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 05:59 - Dr. Gordon Stein's Opening Statement - On Facts 07:01 - Atheist Stein's Definition Of Atheism 09:27 - Atheist Stein's Definition Of God 11:45 - Atheist Takes Down 11 Proofs For The Existence Of God 13:38 - The Cosmological Argument Taken Down - The Uncaused Universe 16:40 - Joshua Pillows Commentary Against Stein's Presentation 21:14 - Joshua Pillows Commentary Against The Cosmological Argument 23:55 - The Design Argument Taken Down - The Undesigned Universe 26:29 - The Life Argument Taken Down - The Unmoved Life 28:42 - Joshua Pillow Commentary Against Stein's Induction 31:54 - Conclusion LINK: 30:19 - Dr. Jason Lisle Does Some Science BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate - Does God Exist? - Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

3 Important Claims In The Great Debate Here is Dr. Greg Bahnsen's 3 important claims in the Great Debate. The first two are there to sweep away a lot of confusion Dr. Stein and other atheists have when it comes to the type of argumentation presuppositionalists use. Unfortunately, Dr. Stein didn't seem to be prepared to actually engage in that type of debate as we'll see in the coming weeks. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:36 - The 3 Claims Of Bahnsen's Opening Statement 06:00 - Cracker's Don't Matter! - The Nature Of Evidence Between Christians & Atheists 11:12 - Presuppositional Conflict Of Worldviews 26:54 - The Transcendental Argument For God As A Positive Claim 31:49 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate - Does God Exist? - Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Setting The Stage We open our 14th book by setting the stage for The Great Debate. We cover the Forward by Eli Ayala and Preface by Joshua Pillows, who give the background for the debate and speakers. Then we dive into Dr. Greg Bahnsen's opening statement, where he uses most of his time covering what the debate is and what it isn't. He also covers why he's going to talk about the Christian form of theism and how the debate can be an objective matter and not a subjective one. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 03:39 - Forward By Eli Ayala (Revealed Apologetics) 09:07 - Preface To The Debate 14:56 - The Book's Format 16:34 - Bahnsen's Opening - Setting The Stage For The Debate 17:40 - 3 Reasons Why To Argue For Christian Theism Not General Theism 21:09 - Defining Your Terms & The Debate Is & Isn't 22:34 - 3 Reasons To Focus On Objective Matters, Not Subjective 26:32 - The Nature Of The Debate 29:20 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate - Does God Exist? - Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Book 14 Announcement For our 14th book, we dive into one of the great moments for presuppositional apologetics. The debate between Greg Bahnsen and Gordon Stein in 1985 is a seminal watershed moment in apologetics history. Join us, starting next week, as we walk through the debate with the book The Great Debate edited and commented on by Joshua Pillows. BOOK LINKS: The Great Debate - Does God Exist? - Edited and Commentary by Joshua Pillows Debate Transcript Video The Bahnsen Institute       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Christianity Can Integrate With Science Christianity can integrate with science. In fact, the scientific revolution was only made possible because of the Christian worldview and those people who sought to discover just exactly how God ordered the universe. Only post-Enlightenment anachronistic history puts Christianity and science at odds with each other. So, this is our last plea to reject scientism and embrace a worldview that justifies true science. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 00:51 - How Should Christianity Integrate Science 01:50 - Suggestion 1 - The Two Realms Model 03:22 - Suggestion 2 - The Complementarian Model 05:06 - The Danger Of The Complementarian Model 09:14 - Suggestion 3 - The Presupposition Approach Model 10:27 - Suggestion 4 - The Practical Application Model 11:36 - Suggestion 5 - The Direct Interaction Model 13:40 - The Conflict This Model Causes 15:20 - When Should We Go Against The Experts In Science? 16:53 - Scenario 1 - Is There An Alt Bible Interpretation Available? 17:33 - Scenario 2 - A Set Of Experts That Goes Against The Other Experts 21:09 - Scenario 3 - If There Are Historic Or Philosophical Issues With Holding To The Majority Expert Views 26:00 - Scenario 4 - The Sociological Explanations For Forcing Majority Expert Views 27:44 - Scenario 5 - Theological Issues With Holding To Majority View 30:51 - Scenario 6 - Ideas That Go Against The Christian Worldview 32:41 - One Final Plea 34:53 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Can Science Integrate With Christianity? Now that we have knocked down scientism, are Christians left without being able to use science? Is science without the worldview that provided for its justification and moral guards? Why not at all, says J. P. Moreland who provides a foundation for how science integrate with Christianity. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 02:39 - Can You Integrate Science & Christianity? 08:11 - 2 Types Of Integration - Conceptual & Personal 11:47 - 3 Ways Science Provides Rational Truth Claims For Christians 12:37 - 1 - Direct Defense 15:28 - 2 - Polemics 16:26 - 3 - Positive Christian Explanations 18:21 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Why God Of The Gaps Is A Bad Objection While finishing our discussion on why methodological naturalism should be rejected, we deal with another bad objection to Christians having a place in the science world. The charge of believing in a "God of the gaps" is levied at Christians to scoff at their history in science. We take a look at it and offer up "nuh huh" and "you do it too"! TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 03:01 - The 2 Reasons To Reject Methodological Naturalism 03:49 - Science Already Allows For Intelligence As An Explanation 06:52 - Human Sciences Allow Intelligence As An Explanation 07:46 - Distortion Of Natural Science To Keep Out Intelligence 13:43 - Responding To The Bad God Of The Gaps Objection 15:54 - Objection 1 - God Is Not Limited To Gaps 17:41 - Objection 2 - Not Offering Evidence In Ignorance But Positive Explanation 21:43 - Objection 3 - There Are Gaps That Need Explanation 23:16 - Two Ways God Acts Intelligently That Gives Us Explanations 26:33 - Empirical Vs. Historical Science Doesn't Count Out Intelligent Explanations 29:26 - Intelligence Design Differs From Creation Science 31:26 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

The Danger Of Methodological Naturalism Before we talk about how Christianity should integrate science, we need to talk about how NOT to do it. The dangers of methodological naturalism aren't realized for those in camps like theistic evolution. Here, we look at why methodological naturalism doesn't work out for those who want to have both God and evolution. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:16 - One Bad Way To Integrate Christianity & Naturalism 03:05 - Intelligent Design Intro 03:59 - The Blind Watchmaker Is A Bad Argument 06:18 - Intelligent Design IS A Science 07:19 - Methodological Naturalism Should Be Rejected 08:19 - What Is Theistic Evolutionists 10:46 - The Revival Of Methodological Naturalism 13:48 - What's Wrong With Theistic Evolution & Methodological Naturalism 17:03 - Failed Explanations For What Counts As Science 19:47 - Failed Explanation That Something Is Held Tentatively 21:16 - Failed Explanation That It Appeals To Natural Laws 22:35 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Fine Tuning, Consciousness, & Morality Finishing up on the 5 things science can't explain: Fine Tuning, Consciousness, & Morality. In a "physical only" science setting these ideas are best left alone. It winds up either with no reason to hold anyone accountable for anything or the need to discard scientism and possibly let theism into the picture. GASP! TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:05 - Can't Explain 3 - Fine Tuning 04:40 - Naturalists Attempt To Explain Away Fine Tuning 06:57 - The Destruction Of The Multiverse Theory 09:45 - Can't Explain 4 - Origin Of Consciousness 12:13 - Science Fails To Provide An Explanation Of Mental States 13:54 - Science Fails To Provide An Explanation Mind-Body Relationship 17:12 - Why Science Fails At Mind-Body Relationship Explanation 20:31 - Can't Explain 5 - Morality, Rationality, & Esthetic Laws 23:54 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Science Can't Explain Origin Or Laws Looking at how philosophy first holds its place over science, we look at five things science can't explain - but Theism can. Two of those things it can't explain are origin or laws. That is, the origin of the universe and the fundamental laws of nature. You'd think this would be an area that science could tackle. However, naturalism fails to explain both, and science needs theism to get it started. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:58 - 5 Things Science Can't Explain But Theism Can 03:38 - There Are Many Things Science Can't Explain And That's Ok 04:36 - Can't Explain 1 - The Origin Of The Universe 04:57 - Philosophical Evidence Of The Beginning Of The Universe 08:58 - The Scientific Evidence Of The Beginning Of The Universe 12:12 - Something Comes From Nothing - How Science Cheats At Nothing 15:30 - The Cause Of The Universe Is Personal & How Science Fails To Explain Other 17:57 - 3 Reasons Science Can't Explain The Origin Of The Universe 21:02 - 2 Outcomes From The Result Of Science Not Being Able To Explain The Origin Of The Universe 23:18 - Can't Explain 2 - The Origin Of Fundamental Laws Of Nature 24:15 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons On vacation this week, so this is my (Patrick's) message on the final portion of Titus, Titus 3:12-15. With epistle beginnings and endings, sometimes we glance over them and view them as superfluous or boring. But those are just as authoritative and important as any portion of God's Word to His Church. We read these sections, and we can meet the challenge - don't be bored, be active! Previous teaching on Titus - Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons - Ep.328 - Titus 1:10-12 Sermon All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Philosophy's Authority Over Science Previously, we looked at the authority philosophy has over science, and now we look at philosophy's authority over science. From what beaker to grab to remembering equations to what to write in that peer-reviewed study, the initial steps one makes and concludes is all philosophical. Those most hurt? Scientists and atheists. Big mad. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:12 - The Autonomy Thesis Of Philosophy 03:51 - The Characteristics Of Science Comes From The Philosophers 05:34 - Methodological Naturalism Fails To Establish Causation 07:50 - 1st & 2nd Order Distinctions Needed Between Science & How To Do Science 09:03 - Philosophy Can Be Independent & More Authoritative Than Science 11:06 - Christians Don't Have To Freak Out Over Current Day Scientific Claims 13:25 - Methodological Naturalism Struggles To Keep Intelligent Design Out Of Science 15:19 - Ch. 11 - How Do We Explain Things? 16:00 - Two Types Of Explanations - Scientific & Personal 16:27 - Scientific Explanations Defined 19:00 - Personal Explanations Defined 22:16 - Criteria For Things That Are Scientific Unexplainable 28:34 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Education Is Classical Education We welcome Martin Cothran from Memoria Press today. Mr. Cothran is a proponent of one of the best educational models that has built the Western world. Education is classical education or it is not education. We discuss what is classical education, why it works, how it teaches both the mind and the whole person in virtue. We also discuss books, a dangerous subject with Mr. Cothran - dangerous for bank accounts. It was a true pleasure to talk with a hero of classical education. TIMELINE: 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:00:42 - Martin Cothran Introduction 00:01:50 - Previous Episodes On Education 00:03:06 - What Is Classical Education? 00:09:53 - Terminology Of Classical Education 00:13:11 - How Does Classical Education Shape The Intellectual & Moral Development? 00:17:40 - God's Story Helps Us Tell Our Story 00:22:29 - Education Builds Virtue; Govt Schools Can't Do This 00:24:59 - Why Is Classical Education The Way We Should Do Education? 00:34:20 - How Classical Education Helps Students Teach Themselves 00:42:53 - Classical Education Passes On Western Culture 00:49:16 - The Importance Of Books In Classical Education 00:54:55 - How To Read Good Books 01:05:19 - Cheryl Lowe And Memoria Press 01:10:33 - Conclusion LINKS: Martin Cothran Twitter Martin Cothran Facebook Memoria Press Memoria College 00:01:56 - Previous Education Episodes - Episode 191 + Episode 192 + Episode 286 + Episode 287 00:06:26 - A Defense Of Classical Education - R.W. Livingston           00:09:28 - Passing The Torch - Louis Markos Kindle Paperback  Audible       00:17:28 - Why Johnny Can't Tell Right From Wrong - William Kilpatrick           00:25:05 - The Seven Liberal Arts, a Study in Mediaeval Culture by Paul Abelson         00:55:05 - Adam On The Road - Elizbeth Janet Gray Paperback Audible         00:56:07 - Romans Road Press 00:58:26 - Charlotte's Web - E. B. White Kindle Paperback Audible         00:58:54 - The Iliad For Boys And Girls - Alfred J. Church Kindle Paperback         01:00:27 - Little Women (Great Illustrated Classics) - Louisa May Alcott Kindle Hardcover          01:02:20 - Tales From Shakespeare - Charles And Mary Lamb Kindle Paperback Audible         01:03:04 - The Meaning Of Shakespeare - Harold Goddard Kindle Paperback         01:03:08 - Shakespeare - Harold Bloom           01:04:03 - No Fear Shakespeare           All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

The Authority Of Philosophy Over Science If you think the atheists are mad and don't watch our videos before commenting, wait till they don't see this one! In continuing the argument that philosophy should be considered first before one considers their science, we look at how the authority of philosophy is not only substantiated by philosophers but even by scientists who want to try and get around philosophy. Also, when they come into conflict with issues within their framework, they don't show you a science experiment but give you a philosophical argument. Suspicious, indeed! TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:33 - Authority And Autonomy In Philosophy 02:47 - Authority Of Philosophy Over Science 05:14 - Philosophical Claims Greater Than Scientific For The Beginning Of Everything 07:21 - Stephen Hawking's Failure To Have No Beginning Of The Universe 09:08 - Philosophers Show How Hawking Is Wrong 13:21 - Science Fails To Talk About Nothing When They Say Something About Nothing 15:54 - Science Fails To Discover The Origin Of Life; But Philosophy Does Better 21:41 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Philosophy First! The goal is not to reject science. It's understanding the failure that scientism provides when it comes to understanding. However, adopting a philosophy first framework provides the foundation for science to function (and the presuppositions needed for the necessary preconditions of intelligibility). So he's the case for adopting First Philosophy. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:44 - Recovering Philosophy First In Knowledge 03:07 - Two Benefits Of 1st Philosophy 03:45 - The War Against 1st Philosophy 05:07 - The Two Theses Of 1st Philosophy 06:30 - The Negative Outcomes Of Rejecting 1st Philosophy 07:35 - The Purpose Of Philosophy According To Scientism 09:48 - Why They Reject 1st Philosophy - Starting Assumptions 11:09 - Why They Reject 1st Philosophy - Disagreement Among Philosophy 12:40 - Why They Reject 1st Philosophy - Cartesian Certainty 13:35 - Foundationalism Vs. Cartesian Certainty 17:53 - Cartesian Certainty Impossibility 22:20 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Scientism Is Not All In The Head Here's a case study in which desiring only naturalist scientific explanations won't get you anywhere - consciousness. When it comes to the mind, one either has to reject the mind and therefore consciousness or reject a purely naturalistic science. Scientism is not all in the head, it seems. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 00:59 - The Human Consciousness Speaks Against Scientism 01:27 - Defining Our Terms - 3rd Person Vs. 1st Person POV 03:17 - What Is Consciousness & How Does One Know They Are 05:34 - The Immaterial Dualism Of Consciousness 08:21 - 5 Reasons Mental States Are Not Physical 08:27 - Mental States Are Feeling States 09:25 - Mental States Are Directed About An Object 10:40 - Mental States Are Internal & Private To Only One Person 11:49 - Mental States Are Subjective 12:07 - Mental States Fail to Have Crucial Features 12:51 - Human Consciousness Destroys Naturalism-Only Scientism 14:49 - Philosophical Behaviorism Failed To Naturalize Consciousness 16:34 - Type Identity Theory Failed To Naturalize Consciousness 18:44 - Functionalism Failed To Naturalize Consciousness 21:32 - Naturalistic Scientism Has Ruined Ideas Of Consciousness 24:30 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Other Sources Of Knowledge Well, if science doesn't give us all knowledge, what are other sources of knowledge? Well here are three areas where we not only obtain knowledge but we tend to have more confidence in it - than even science. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 02:04 - Science Is Showy, Philosophy Is Talky 05:16 - Scientism Has Invaded The Church 07:56 - Scientism Diminishes Other Disciplines That Provide Truth 09:14 - Why Reject Weak Scientism Specifically 12:20 - Weak Scientism Gives Too Much Weight To Claims And Not To Underlying Assumptions 14:03 - Weak Scientism Gives Don't Give Enough Weight Underlying Assumptions Deserve 15:38 - What View Makes Better Sense Of Reality 19:37 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Weak Scientism Is Weak Ok, strong scientism is bad because it denies any other field the ability to provide truth and in making the claim it becomes self-refuting. But what about weak scientism which lets a few areas have their claims to help support the Science(TM)? Well even weak scientism is weak and must be rejected. Find out why in this episode. Or comment on it without watching it like the atheists do. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 02:04 - Science Is Showy, Philosophy Is Talky 05:16 - Scientism Has Invaded The Church 07:56 - Scientism Diminishes Other Disciplines That Provide Truth 09:14 - Why Reject Weak Scientism Specifically 12:20 - Weak Scientism Gives Too Much Weight To Claims And Not To Underlying Assumptions 14:03 - Weak Scientism Gives Don't Give Enough Weight Underlying Assumptions Deserve 15:38 - What View Makes Better Sense Of Reality 19:37 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons We are taking a break for the 4th of July weekend but you can listen to the message I taught on Titus 1:10-12 to my (Patrick's) church's college group. Here I discuss the types of false teachers Titus will encounter on the island of Crete and why the Greeks on Crete are like the way they are. Having been reading Greek writings this year has helped in the background prep of this. Who knew a classical education and its content would help with learning?! All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Presuppositions Of Science We look at how scientism destroys science by denying the ability to do science. How is that the case? Because scientism denies the six presuppositions of science. We discuss that here. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 02:59 - Science Has Presuppositions 04:53 - Presupposition #1 - A World Exists Outside Of Humanity 07:09 - Someone Actually Thinks There Isn't?! 09:17 - Presupposition #2 - The Nature Of The World Is Orderly 16:33 - Presupposition #3 - Objective Truth Exists 18:54 - Presupposition #4 - Humanity Is Able To Discover & Know Truth 25:38 - Presupposition #5 - Values & Oughts Exist 28:43 - Presupposition #6 - Laws Of Logic & Mathematics Exist 31:29 - But Scientists Still Believe These Things - Exactly 32:25 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Scientism Is Self-Refuting Now that we've defined our terms about scientism, what makes it so dangerous? Here we introduce that scientism is self-refuting. This matters because the claims scientism makes means that it then makes science impossible to do. Moreland gives six presuppositions that actual science rests upon and in upcoming episodes we'll look at those presuppositions. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 03:09 - Strong Scientism Is Self-Refuting 04:32 - What Self-Refuting Actually Means 06:24 - Examples Of Self-Refuting 08:29 - Wrong Vs. Self-Refuting Claims 10:51 - Why Is Strong Scientism Self-Refuting? 12:21 - No Amount Of Research Will Change It 14:40 - Scientism Is the Enemy of Science 15:25 - Scientism Actually Destroys Science 16:41 - Philosophical Presuppositions To Do Science 19:39 - 6 Presuppositions One Needs To Do Science 21:22 - The Issues Scientism Has With The 6 Presuppositions Of Science 22:18 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

The Ugly Source Of Scientism Where did scientism come from? What is the ugly source of scientism? Would anyone be shocked to learn that the love of war and government overreach has led to negative outcomes? This includes universities divorcing their ethics lessons from everything but the humanities. Now, the source for moralism in college is...football? TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:19 - Scientism Has Led To Increased Hostility Towards Christianity 02:11 - Scientism Has Hurt The Church 03:56 - Scientism Attempts To Redefine Faith & Christianity 10:50 - Scientism Has Hurt Christian Parents 13:58 - Where Did Scientism Come From? 16:58 - We Used to Be A Proper University 21:45 - War & Government Changed University Education Forever - Shocking! 29:53 - The Burden Of Ethics Fell Onto The Humanities & Sports 32:16 - Aristotle, Moses, Jesus...Joe Montana? 33:47 - Where We Now Find Ourselves 34:58 - The Church Now Has An Opportunity 36:42 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Scientism Ruins Lives Now that we've defined scientism, we have to talk about why it matters. How scientism ruins lives of us in our so-called modern world. It is exactly those ideas that the West, western science, and Christianity helped to bake into the culture that are eroding away. It's almost like a foundation has been replaced with sand and it's shifting. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:46 - Why Should We Care About Scientism 03:52 - Scientists Puts Moral & Spiritual Claims Outside Consideration 06:12 - The Rise Of Scientists That Want To Tell You How You Ought To Live 08:00 - Scientism Makes Doubting Christianity & Western Philosophy A Default 10:05 - Scientism Has Negatively Shifting Our Culture 11:35 - Example - Oprah, 9-11, And Scientism 14:42 - Scientism Interrupts Truth To Satisfaction Knowledge 17:05 - Scientism Destroys Duty And Virtue Morals 21:13 - Scientism Destroys Freedom & Leads To Moral Bankruptcy 23:31 - Scientism Destroys Actual Tolerance Of People 30:24 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Defining Scientism We kick off our book on scientism by doing what we always advocate for - defining our terms. Here, J.P. Moreland is defining scientism and explaining exactly why it is a dangerous ideology. We then go on to list a few examples from the world of politics, social advice, government schools, and even scientists themselves. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:59 - The Scientific Air We Breathe 04:22 - Defining Scientism 06:10 - Examples Of Scientism 07:36 - Stem Cell Research Scientism Example 09:05 - Responding To The Example 10:54 - Reasoning Comparison Advice Scientism 14:04 - Scientism Is The Required Dogma In California Government Schools Example 16:51 - Scientism From Scientists Examples - Strong & Weak Versions 20:29 - Conclusion LINKS: 07:13 - Finding Truth by Nancy Pearcy Playlist BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Introduction To Moreland & His Book We kick off our book looking at not only the introduction of the book, but the introduction to Moreland and who he is and his background. This is a wonderful reading on the science background of J.P. Moreland and shows us why he's the guy to write a book on scientism and its dangers to the Church and the world. TIMELINE: 00:00 - Introduction 01:30 - Raising Up A Generation Of Daniels In A Babylonian World 05:20 - Patrick Is Already Having An Issue With Something 06:55 - The Issue Of Scientism Christians Should Have 08:07 - The Background Of J.P. Moreland, Scientist & Philosopher 15:21 - The Issue Not With Science But Scientism 18:12 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Book 13 Announcement Wow, has it been 13 books already? Why, yes it has. Book 13! This week is introduction week and the links to the book are in this description. Hope you can join us starting next week! BOOK LINKS: Scientism and Secularism - Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology by J.P. Moreland Kindle Paperback Audible (FREE With Membership) Logos J.P. Moreland Website       All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Miracle Claims Vs. Hume And as we wind down our takedown of Hume, we take one final look at Miracle Claims vs. Hume. We address the valid question about competing miracle claims as well as looking at if the Western worldview has outpaced the belief in miracles. Is it over? Have miracles been knocked out of the picture? Well - I didn't hear no bell. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 00:58 - We Wouldn't Want Hume To Be Biased - Right? 01:52 - What About Competing Miracle Claims? 03:05 - Answering The Objection About Competing Claims 05:59 - Contemporary Of Hume Critical 07:07 - Not All Systems Claim Miracles 07:53 - Not All Miracle Claims Are Equal 12:05 - We Should First Check Our Presuppositions Before We Deny Miracle Claims 15:33 - A Shift In The Western Worldview Against Miracles 22:39 - Do Modern People Even Believe In Miracles? 26:29 - Modern Academia Needs To Recognize Its Bias 28:58 - Conclusion LINK: 11:15 - Duane Miller Miracle BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Hume's Biased Naturalism Coming into the final episodes of this book, we go after Hume's naturalism being viewed as unbiased science. In fact, it is biased, can't help but be biased, and by claiming not to want to take sides in religious debates...takes sides in religious debates. Hume's biased naturalism has been unchallenged in academia, but not here on this highly, HIGHLY respected show. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 01:11 - The Biased Naturalism In-Group Of History Keeps Out Miracle Claims 03:54 - Biased Naturalism Don't Even See Their Own Presuppositions 05:37 - Naturalists & Miracles Should Meet Each Other On Their Presuppositions 09:00 - Naturalists Don't Want To Accept Others' Experiences 12:58 - History Bringing In Those Scary Religious Nuts 16:14 - Critiquing Not Letting Miracles Into History Explanations 23:28 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Hume Humiliated In History After looking at the science and philosophy of Hume, we now look at his take and impact on history. With looking at how the academy views the science of history we see that Hume is humiliated in history because he helped change what good history actually looks like. We discuss what that looks like and the repercussions here. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 03:39 - Answering The False Principle Of Analogy For Miracles 05:25 - Defining History To Exclude The Possibility Of Miracles 10:23 - Prejudging History Before Looking Into It 12:07 - A Naturalism Of The Gaps 14:08 - History Is A Series Of Unique Events Just Like Miracles 17:25 - The Problem With Ruling Out Miracles As A Unique Kind Of Event 23:16 - When Only Natural Scientists Try To Answer Why The Civil War Began 25:03 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Agents Enter Into The Picture A little shorter episode this week as this section and the next section have two different focuses. We look at how Hume seems to carve out outside agents enter into the picture to save natural law. The only problem with that is then you leave out those pesky humans to be able to enter into the normal course of events to upset it all. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 00:15 - God Acting As Divine Acts Not Violations Of Nature 03:59 - Hume Has No Possibility Of Agents Enter Into Causes 06:39 - Miracles As Contingent Events 08:49 - Metaphysical Needs Over Scientific Language 11:16 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

The Bad Effects Of Hume's Philosophy The bad effects of Hume's philosophy might not seem apparent on the surface; people have been disagreeing about miracles even as they happen. Yet, Hume supported locking people up in insane asylums who believed miracles happened. And while his support for his movement crumbled while failing to uphold its own standard, it led to religious studies being devalued and it helped in the lead up to liberalism in Christianity. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 01:22 - Hume's Philosophy On Miracles Is A Mess 02:56 - Hume Is Raised Up, Let's Cast Him Down 03:59 - The Effects Of Hume's Arguments 04:01 - Hume Wants All Religious People In Mental Hospitals 06:04 - Hume's Thinking Throughout Religious Studies From Consideration 08:34 - Hume's Logic Fails Its Own Standard & Wipes Out Other Areas Of Knowledge 11:32 - Scientists - Hume Is Dead, Long Live Hume 12:24 - The Effects Of Hume's Philosophical Skepticism 13:28 - Hume's Effect On Religion - The Rise Of Liberalism 19:56 - The Unsound Science Of Hume Is Unrealized Philosophy 22:26 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Circular David Hume & His Critics Finishing up looking at David Hume's Philosophy and we see that Hume is being so circular that you'll find yourself dizzy. While he redefines miracles, provides circular arguments, and then begs the question, Hume won't even allow the possibility of a miracle claim to be presented to be considered. Ol' circular David Hume is not being a good philosopher and he's being a bit lazy. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 02:20 - Hume's Circular Argument Is Enough To Make Your Head Spin 04:30 - Hume Might Have Argued Slightly - Racistly 05:42 - Hume's Being Lazy Even Though He Claimed An Inductive Argument 08:32 - Critics Of Hume During His Day 08:58 - William Paley's Hume Smackdown 11:11 - James B. Mozley On Hume Not Allowing For Evidence To Be Presented 14:11 - People Today Are More Against Hume Than Ever Before 15:10 - Hume's Circular Arguments Begs The Question Of Miracles 18:25 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Hume Destroys Testimony - All Testimony Hume is back at it again with destroying more of our ability to know things. Here, we look at how Hume destroys testimony - all testimony. His standard for witnesses is so unreasonable that no witnesses can match it. His description of the normal goings of nature leaves no room for unusual events - even events we know happen. Hume is really losing a lot just to not accept miracles. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 01:10 - Hume Mistreats Witnesses Because Of Nature 04:13 - Hume Wouldn't Let Witnesses Into Courts No Matter How Good The Math Is 07:30 - Hume's Standard For Witnesses Doesn't Allow For Witness Evidence 10:00 - Hume Is Swine Before Casted Pearls 11:26 - No Uniform Experience Of Miracles That Hume Wants 13:29 - Hume Doesn't Get What He Wants With Witnesses 15:00 - Unusual Events Doesn't Mean Unreliable 15:56 - A Documented Unusual Event With Witnesses - Hume Would Ignore It! 17:43 - What About The Lottery? An Argument Based On Presupposition 20:09 - We Should Expect Unlikely Events At Times 23:29 - Summary 24:31 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Can Hume Get A Witness? Looking at David Hume's philosophy on miracles, now we find ourselves not seeing Hume interact with miracle claims, but questioning if someone can even be a witness to a miracle. Can Hume get a witness? It seems his standard is both circular and redefining of key terms. We see that taking Hume at his standard not only allows for no inductive evidence to come in but leads to some repercussions in daily life that would destroy most of our knowledge. So, ya know, the small things. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 03:14 - Hume's Epistemology - Deductive Rather Inductive 04:25 - Begging The Question With Uniformity Of Nature 06:38 - Hume Wanting Testimony - No! Not That Testimony! 07:56 - Surveying Witnesses And Their Interpretations Of Miracles 10:14 - Hume's Circularity With Human Experience & Uniformity Of Nature 12:31 - Hume's Circularity Of What Makes For A Good Witness To Miracles 15:00 - Dismissing What's Never Been Seen With People Who Have Claimed To See It 15:57 - Grant Hume His Standard And See What Happens - Ut Oh! 18:50 - We All Rely On Testimony To Live & In Life 20:35 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Dismantling David Hume We start dismantling David Hume at the best place to start - the beginning. Hume's definition of miracles, his epistemology, and his claim of neutrality are the best places to see if the foundation of his critique cracks or even fails to support his claims. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 01:35 - Hume & The Philosophy Of Science 02:55 - Hume As Rhetorician Of Old Ideas 03:44 - Not All Empiricists Followed Hume's Skepticism 04:34 - The Real Rise Of Anti-Miracles During The Time Of Hume 05:26 - Hume's Basis For Being Anti-Miracle 07:46 - Where Could One Allow For Miracles To Be Considered On A Regular Basis 09:01 - Miracles - Theology Over Science 10:39 - Hume's Violations Of Natural Law - For No Reason 16:49 - Theism's Definition Of Natural Law Vs. Hume's 18:54 - Hume's Own Violation Of His Epistemology - Induction 24:13 - Hume's Not Neutral Argument For Miracles 30:12 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

The Intro To Critiquing David Hume We enter our into to critiquing David Hume by setting the stage for what our author will talk about. We do what should always be done with philosophical concepts and that is define our terms! Then we provide some background history to set the stage for giving Hume his due. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 02:40 - What To Do With David Hume? 05:55 - 5 Things To Address With David Hume 10:22 - The Nature Of The Question - Naturalism Methodology Vs. Philosophical Naturalism 12:57 - An Accurate Definition Of A Miracle - Not Hume's 13:58 - The Ability To Examine Evidence For Miracles 15:42 - What It Takes To Not Allow God To Be An Explanation For Maybe Miracles 18:52 - Hume's Argument From Nature Is Problematic 19:49 - The Philosopher Most Influential Against Miracles During The Time of Hume - Wasn't Hume 20:06 - Spinoza Defining Out Answers To Miracle Claims 24:07 - Conclusion LINK: 06:35 - InspiringPhilosophy & Lawrence Krauss Debate BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Unbiased Ancient Historians & Biased Modern Day Ones Before we dig into Hume, we finish our discussion on unbiased ancient historians and then bring in the fact that modern day historians tend to be more biased. Both cases interact with miracle claims but it seems that ancient historians tend to deal with those claims in a more fair way than modern skeptics. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 02:13 - Ancient Writers Did Include Miracle Accounts Without Sensationalizing Them 05:02 - Livy & Tacitus - Ancient Historians Who Did Not Deny Miracles 06:20 - Known Historical Fiction Vs. Known Historical Facts 07:48 - "It Is Said..." Was Said By Ancient Historians To Allow People To Make Up Their Own Minds 09:04 - Ancient Historians Were Not Radical Enlightenment Skeptics But They Did Know Levels Of Evidence Of Miracles 10:27 - Ancient Plausibility Structures 12:29 - Josephus - A Jewish Writer To A Greek Audience When It Comes To Miracles 13:19 - Luke - A Greek Writer Of Miracles And Understands They Are Weird 15:32 - Modern Western Skepticism Towards Miracles 17:06 - No Need To Assume Modern Anti-Supernaturalism Reading Of History 18:54 - Our Cultural Limitations When It Comes To Miracle Claims In History 21:16 - Our Privileged Particular Western Worldview When It Comes To History & Miracles 25:56 - Historians And The Limits Of Their Experience Effects Their Work 30:16 - Overview Of Ancient Historian Claims Of Miracles & Current Historians Bias 32:09 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Ye Ol' Skeptics Kicking off our discussion on miracles we go back to Ye Ol' Times and see if there are any Ye Ol' Skeptics of miracles claims. Or do we take the Enlightenment unenlightened view that everyone just believed everything and it wasn't until the Smarty Pants Times did we learn to properly scoff at historical claims of miracles. Well, if only someone had written down history during that time. If only. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 01:35 - Craig Keener and His Books 02:14 - What The Discussion Will Cover 04:16 - Is Antisupernaturalism The Default View? 10:05 - Historians Use Miracle Claims To Easily Dismiss Historical Accounts - But At What Cost? 11:44 - What Did Ancient Historians Think Of Miracle Claims? 13:01 - Ancient Historians' Skepticism Towards Miracles 13:12 - Galen, 2nd Century Miracle Skeptic - Based On Morality & Reason 17:34 - Ovid, Created Miracle Skeptic Fictional Characters 18:41 - Polybius, Critiquing Over-Sensationalism Of Miracles In Early Historians 20:16 - Summary - There Were Ancient Historians Skeptical Of Miracle Claims 20:51 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles by Craig Keener: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com     Other Book - Miracles Today by Craig Keener: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Book 12 Announcement Here's the announcement for the next book we'll be discussing. The way we're going to cover this one is a little different than the ones we've done in the past. It'll be a miracle - if we ever get through it. It'll take someone with a Keener eye for sure. BOOK LINKS: Main Book - Miracles: Kindle Hardcover Logos ChristianBook.com Other Book - Miracles Today: Kindle Paperback Audible Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Natural Law & Divine Command Response To Woke Theology In our final episode on Christian Ethics - 4 Views, we cover the issues against Woke Theology from both the Natural Law & Divine Command response. Both responders have three big issues with Prophetic Ethics even if there is some agreement with the theory. Thanks for joining us with this book. What did you think? How was the format? Did one side convince you over the others? Stay tuned for our trailer for our next book. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 01:01 - 3 Natural Law Issues To Prophetic Ethics 03:44 - #1 - No Agreed Upon Definition Of What Is A Just Society 10:24 - #2 - Social Justice Is Only One Portion Of Life 15:05 - #3 - Social Justice Is Not The Only Response To Injustice 18:25 - 3 Divine Command Issues With Prophetic Ethics' Bible Study 20:03 - #1 - No Personal Sin Only Societal 22:43 - #2 - Jesus Give Believers Other Duties Other Than Ruling Over Creation 25:22 - #3 - Jesus Isn't A Jazz Conductor With The Law Of God 27:42 - Why Divine Command Is Needed Over Prophetic Ethics 29:35 - Summary Of The Book 30:42 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Christian Ethics - 4 Views - Edited by Steve Wilkens Kindle Paperback Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com

Woke Theology Needs Proper Hermeneutics With the final critique of our four ethics we end with the Virtue Ethics' response to Prophetic Ethics. A very important point made is how Woke Theology needs proper hermeneutics. There is a missing element, according to Virtue Ethics that Woke Theology has and without it it lets other narratives come in and fill the missing elements with something else and it doesn't even have to be Christian. Timeline: 00:00 - Introduction 01:20 - Virtue Ethics Response To Prophetic Ethics - In Agreement 03:15 - Virtue Ethics On Prophetic Ethics Missing Answering Why Questions 09:46 - Virtue Ethics Questions Prophetic Ethics Bible Hermeneutics 13:00 - Where Are All The Virtuous Prophetic Ethics Scholars? 13:44 - The Need For Individual Ethics In Prophetic Ethics 16:12 - Prophetic Ethics Needs To Be Able To Apply To The Boring Things In Life Too 19:54 - Conclusion BOOK LINKS: Christian Ethics - 4 Views - Edited by Steve Wilkens Kindle Paperback Logos ChristianBook.com All episodes, short clips, & blog - https://www.cavetothecross.com