Welcome to Game Changers, the podcast that takes you beyond the games and into the heart of the gaming industry's future. Brought to you by Konvoy, a Denver-based venture capital firm investing in the platforms and technologies at the frontier of gaming. This podcast is your backstage pass to the pioneers, innovators, and visionaries who are redefining how we play and experience these virtual worlds. In each episode, your hosts—Josh Chapman, Jason Chapman, and Jackson Vaughan, the founders of Konvoy—invite you to join them for candid and open conversations with the industry's most influential leaders. These guests are the “Game Changersâ€, the masterminds behind the scenes who've built remarkable enterprises and continue to push the boundaries of what's possible for our industry. Whether you're a gamer, a tech enthusiast, or a startup aficionado, the Game Changers podcast offers valuable insights, inspiring stories, and exclusive access to the minds shaping the future of the gaming industry. Join us as we explore who these Game Changers are, what they've built, and what they're doing now. Are you ready to level up your understanding of the gaming industry? Subscribe now to "Game Changers" and embark on a journey that goes beyond the screen to uncover the stories behind the gaming world.
This week on Game Changers, host Jason Chapman explores a powerful trend quietly reshaping how we engage with the world: the rise of off-screen entertainment. In a culture dominated by screens and digital immersion, Jason dives into why millions are consciously stepping back—reconnecting with reality through podcasts, board games, theme parks, and live events. From the psychology of sensory engagement to the economics behind Disney's booming parks, this episode unpacks the growing desire for presence in an increasingly virtual world.What You'll Learn in This Episode:• Why podcasts have become the digital native's favorite screenless medium.• How board games are leading a tactile comeback in entertainment.• Why theme parks and live concerts are thriving in the age of streaming.• The science behind sensory rebalancing and our need for physical experience.• How screenless entertainment is expanding—not replacing—the digital economy.Tune in to discover how people are reclaiming presence, recharging their senses, and building a more balanced entertainment diet in the process.Love what you're hearing?Subscribe to Game Changers on Spotify and Apple Podcasts to stay inspired.Sign up for the Konvoy Newsletter to explore the future of gaming, tech, and venture capital—every week.
This week on Game Changers, host Josh Chapman dives into the hidden toll of decision-making in our digital age. As we navigate a world overflowing with choices—pinged by notifications, overwhelmed by content, and pulled in countless directions—Josh unpacks the concept of decision fatigue and how technology might be making it worse. From the science of cognitive overload to the psychology of motivation, this episode explores why it's getting harder to make meaningful decisions—and what we can do about it.What You'll Learn in This Episode:• Why we're making more daily decisions than ever before—and why that's exhausting.• How multitasking, app overload, and constant notifications impact our mental energy.• The psychological effects of too much choice—and how it affects our satisfaction.• How dopamine, motivation, and tech habits are all connected.• Practical strategies for reducing decision fatigue through curation, screen time limits, and trusted sources.Tune in to learn how to protect your mental bandwidth, make better choices, and regain control in a world that's constantly demanding your attention.Love what you're hearing?Subscribe to Game Changers on Spotify and Apple Podcasts to stay inspired.Sign up for the Konvoy Newsletter to explore the future of gaming, tech, and venture capital—every week.
This week on Game Changers, host Jason Chapman explores a bold vision for the future of personal technology—one where we rely less on screens and more on seamless, proactive computing. While today's phones are powerful access points for information, Jason looks ahead to a world where devices quietly work in the background, anticipating our needs without constant interaction. From the rise of smart glasses to the growing influence of AI agents, this episode reimagines how emerging technologies could transform daily life.What You'll Learn in This Episode:• How smartphones have evolved into incredibly powerful computing devices.• Why the next shift in tech might reduce our reliance on screens.• The potential of smart glasses and augmented reality in everyday life.• How AI agents could automate routine tasks and improve productivity.• What challenges still exist around trust, adoption, and user control.Tune in now to explore how our relationship with personal tech might change—and how the future could feel more present, human, and hands-free.Love what you're hearing?Subscribe to Game Changers on Spotify and Apple Podcasts to keep up with the latest insights.Sign up for the Konvoy Newsletter and stay ahead of the curve on emerging tech, gaming, and venture capital.
This week on Game Changers, host Jackson Vaughan dives into the explosive growth of online sports betting in the U.S., exploring how the industry reached its current $11 billion valuation and forecasted future growth. From the history of gambling to the big players dominating the market, Jackson explores how innovation and new trends like sweepstakes and prediction markets are reshaping the landscape. You'll learn why these alternatives are gaining traction, how they differ from traditional sportsbooks, and what opportunities they bring for both investors and consumers.What You'll Learn in This Episode:The historical evolution of gambling, from ancient Egypt to modern-day sportsbooks.Key milestones in U.S. sports betting legislation, including the repeal of PASPA in 2018.The dominance of platforms like DraftKings and FanDuel in the U.S. market.The rise of sweepstakes sportsbooks and prediction markets as innovative alternatives.Predictions on regulation, consumer trends, and what's next for the industry.Tune in now to explore how the future of sports betting is evolving with new opportunities for growth and innovation.Love what you're hearing?Subscribe to Game Changers on Spotify and Apple Podcasts to keep up with the latest insights.Sign up for the Konvoy Newsletter and stay ahead of key gaming and finance trends.
Is your mobile game studio struggling to stand out? Stillfront CEO Alexis Bonte gets real about the brutal competition, why AI is now a survival tool, and how a laser-focused strategy can keep players—and profits—from walking away. This is direct advice for developers navigating today's tough market, from someone who's built and sold a game company and now leads a major group.The mobile game scene is incredibly competitive. Developers are fighting to get noticed, retain players, and manage rising user acquisition costs. It's a crowded, fast-moving space.Broad strategies and simply throwing money at ads or new tech like AI won't cut it anymore. Alexis argues that studios must make tough choices: focus on what truly works and leverage AI to genuinely enhance the player experience. The alternative? Becoming another casualty in a market that increasingly favors the focused few.
Welcome to our latest episode of the Konvoy Newsletter podcast, your go-to source for insights at the intersection of gaming and finance. Today, we're diving into the world of Grand Theft Auto VI, a game set to redefine cultural and financial milestones in the gaming industry.Episode Highlights:A Global Gaming Phenomenon:Grand Theft Auto (GTA) stands among gaming icons like Super Mario and Pokémon.Anticipated to generate $7-8 billion within 60 days of release.Game Development Insights:Launch postponed to May 26, 2026, maintaining soaring hype.The first trailer garnered 250 million views, and the second amassed 90 million views in just two days.Revolutionary Features:Fictional Miami (Vice City) revisited with state-of-the-art graphics and AI.Gameplay innovations include drones, hacking, and dynamic environments.Potential for an in-game social media platform akin to TikTok.Empowering User Creators:Expanded user-generated content with potential creator incomes for modders and map-makers.In-game Economics:A virtual stock market allowing players to earn through their gaming achievements.Monetization Strategy:Estimated price of $80 with additional monetization through battle passes and in-game purchases.Take-Two Interactive expected to recover its $2 billion development cost within 3 days.Projected Impact:Expected sales of 15 million copies on day one.Aiming for 65 million copies within two months, potentially setting the record for the largest entertainment launch.Cultural and Digital Evolution:GTA VI is primed to usher in a new era of interactive entertainment, blending gameplay, social engagement, and creator economies.
In this episode of Game Changers, Jason Chapman explores how an innovation from Pixar—OpenUSD—laid the groundwork for a revolution in 3D content creation. From blockbuster films to immersive gaming experiences, the process of building digital worlds is notoriously fragmented. Jason breaks down how OpenUSD is becoming the universal translator across tools and teams, enabling smoother collaboration, faster iteration, and richer creativity. Drawing parallels to past tech standards like TCP/IP and SQL, this episode unpacks why OpenUSD might be one of the most important developments in the future of digital creation.Liked what you heard? Subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes and check out our writing at konvoy.vc!
In this episode of Game Changers, Josh Chapman explores how artificial intelligence is becoming more than just a tool for kids — it's evolving into a curious, patient, and ever-present companion.We unpack how AI is showing up in childhood spaces, from tutoring apps that adapt in real-time to emotional support robots like Milo that help kids practice social interaction. With studies showing big gains in both academic performance and engagement, it's clear this tech is here to stay — but not without tradeoffs.From affordability and accessibility to concerns around screen time, emotional development, and safety, we dive into the guardrails that matter: child-tuned models, age-verification systems, and platforms like Plotago and Bedtimestory.AI that turn imagination into interactive stories.In a world where kids never stop asking “why,” AI might just be the new co-pilot for curiosity — as long as it's built with care.Liked what you heard? Subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes!
In this episode of Game Changers, Jackson Vaughan explores the rising power of IP licensing in today's gaming landscape—why it's becoming essential for discoverability, and how developers are using it to drive growth across mobile, PC, and console.We unpack the challenges facing studios today, from rising ad costs to shrinking visibility, and spotlight how familiar brands and characters can give games a vital edge. With examples from Monopoly Go! to Scopely's billion-dollar strategy, we look at how licensed IP is helping developers cut through the noise, reach high-value players, and extend a game's lifecycle.Plus, we dive into the growing trend of major IP holders like Disney and LEGO partnering with trusted studios instead of building in-house—and why that's a smart play in a high-risk market.In a world of endless content, IP isn't just a shortcut to attention—it's a serious business strategy.Liked what you heard? Subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes!
In this episode of Game Changers, Jackson Vaughan breaks down the evolution of console business models—from the Magnavox Odyssey's one-time hardware sale in the 1970s to today's mix of subscriptions, digital storefronts, and cloud gaming. Along the way, we explore how the introduction of game cartridges sparked the rise of third-party developers, how Nintendo's 30% licensing fee shaped the modern industry, and why console makers began selling hardware at a loss to win long-term loyalty. With Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo now deploying distinct strategies—cloud-first, ecosystem-focused, or exclusive-driven—the business of consoles is more complex than ever. What does the future hold? Portability, mobile connectivity, and new monetization models may be just the beginning. Liked what you heard? Subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes!
In this episode of Game Changers, Josh Chapman explores the growing intersection of gaming and robotics. While robotics has long been a frontier of innovation, its development is now accelerating—driven by open-source tools like the Robot Operating System (ROS) and game engines like Unreal and Unity. With simulation becoming a key tool for robotics training and hybrid physical-digital gameplay on the rise, gaming is shaping the future of robotics in unexpected ways. Will this convergence redefine interactive entertainment? Or are we still in the early days of robotics-driven gameplay? Tune in to find out. Liked what you heard? Subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes!
In this episode of Game Changers, Jackson Vaughan dives into the shifting landscape of PC gaming. While the market has grown steadily, with nearly 1.9 billion players worldwide, recent headwinds—like a 21% drop in playtime, rising hardware costs, and cloud gaming's rapid rise—are challenging its dominance. With consoles catching up and game discovery becoming harder, is PC gaming at risk of losing its edge? Or will its customization, global reach, and social integration keep it ahead? Tune in to explore the future of PC gaming. Liked what you heard? Subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes!
In this episode of Game Changers, Managing Partner Jason Chapman unpacks Amazon's $100M investment in The House of David, a faith-based series that's already climbing the charts. Faith-driven content is seeing a resurgence, with Gen Z increasingly turning to spirituality—a trend shaping not just movies and TV, but gaming as well. With 36% of young Christian players open to faith-based games, could this be the next frontier? From Assassin's Creed to Doom, religious themes have already made their way into mainstream titles—but what if a game fully embraced biblical storytelling? And what risks do these projects face? Tune in to learn more. Subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes!
In this episode of Game Changers, Managing Partner Josh Chapman explores how AI agents could transform digital advertising—eliminating intrusive tracking and irrelevant ads while curating only what truly matters to you. With digital advertising expected to hit $663B by 2027, AI-driven ad filtering could reshape industries, including gaming, where mobile game discovery and monetization could be revolutionized. Could AI agents negotiate on your behalf, ensuring you only see valuable offers? Who will control these AI assistants—independent platforms or tech giants? Tune in for a deep dive into the future of AI-powered advertising and its impact on gaming, digital marketing, and consumer privacy. Love what you hear? Subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes.
Join Konvoy Managing Partner Josh Chapman as he unpacks our latest newsletter topic: affective computing and its impact on gaming. Can technology truly understand human emotions? From early psychological theories to AI-driven emotion tracking, we explore how gaming experiences could adapt in real time based on player moods. Could this be the next frontier in game design, or are we still years away from meaningful applications? Tune in as we break down the potential, the challenges, and what this means for the future of gaming. Love what you hear? Subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes.
Join Konvoy Managing Partner Jackson Vaughan as he unpacks our latest newsletter topic: the intersection of gaming and music. From the early days of chiptune to dynamic, real-time soundtracks, music has shaped how we experience games. But what's next? While game music is more advanced and accessible than ever, will we see major innovation—or just incremental improvements? Tune in as we explore the past, present, and future of music in gaming. Love what you hear? Subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes.
Join Konvoy Managing Partner, Josh Chapman, as he explores the future of consumer investing and why gaming is poised to bring VCs back to the space. For years, venture funding has leaned toward enterprise markets, leaving consumer investments on the back burner. But that's shifting. Gaming companies are driving some of the biggest opportunities in consumer tech, and with major exits on the horizon, we see a wave of renewed interest coming. Like what you hear? Subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes and deep-dive discussions!
Join Konvoy Managing Partner Jason Chapman as he unpacks our latest newsletter topic: the future of gaming subscriptions. While streaming services thrive on constant content consumption, gaming habits don't always align—players invest months into just a few titles, making all-you-can-play libraries less compelling. With the rise of free-to-play games and evolving monetization strategies, can these services stay relevant? Tune in as we explore how gaming subscriptions must adapt to stay in the game. Love what you hear? Be sure to subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes and our classic deep-dive discussions!
In this new series of Game Changers, we're bringing Konvoy's weekly written newsletter to life with engaging audio episodes! Join Konvoy Managing Partner Jackson Vaughan as he dives into our most recent topic: Nintendo's highly anticipated Switch 2 and its expectations. We'll unpack its potential impact on the future of handheld gaming, how it builds on Nintendo's storied legacy of innovation, and why expectations may fall short compared to its predecessor. Love what you hear? Be sure to subscribe for weekly newsletter episodes and our classic deep-dive discussions!
In this episode of Game Changers, Josh Chapman, Managing Partner of Konvoy, sits down with Ed Fries, one of the visionaries who led the team that created the first Xbox at Microsoft. Ed began his career developing Microsoft Excel and Word before transitioning to gaming. He founded Microsoft Game Studios and expanded the team from 50 to over 1200 people, publishing over 100 games and leaving a significant mark on the industry. Today, Ed supports independent game developers through his venture fund, 1Up Ventures, and explores the intersection of art and video games. Don't miss this insightful episode! If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming. Thank you for listening!
In this episode of Game Changers, Jackson Vaughan, Managing Partner of Konvoy, is joined by Emily Greer, a serial gaming entrepreneur, investor, and advisor. Emily previously led Double Loop Games, a women-led mobile game studio, and was the CEO and co-founder of Kongregate, a top browser and mobile games platform. Under her leadership, Kongregate grew to 18M MAU, pioneering free-to-play games in the West and serving 200 million players in 5 years. Emily is renowned for her insights on the economics and psychology of free-to-play games. If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming. Thank you for listening!
In this episode of Game Changers, Jason Chapman, Managing Partner of Konvoy, is joined by Kevin Lin, one of the pioneering founders of Twitch. Kevin and his cofounders sold Twitch to Amazon in 2014 for $970m, at the time being Amazon's largest acquisition. As Twitch's long-time COO, Kevin brought live social video to hundreds of millions of people around the world, helping thousands of creators make a living building their communities around live shared experiences. Tune in as he shares invaluable insights and anecdotes from his journey with Twitch and beyond. If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming. Thank you for listening!
In this episode of Game Changers, Jason Chapman, Managing Partner of Konvoy, sits down with Brian Ward, the CEO of Savvy Games. Prior to leading Savvy, Brian held key positions, including head of worldwide studios at Activision Blizzard, where he played a pivotal role in launching blockbuster gaming titles. His executive background spans industry giants such as EA and Microsoft, and now under his leadership, Savvy Games Group has grown to a global workforce of approximately 3,500 employees in just two years, solidifying its presence in gaming. Listen in on the discussion as we explore Brian's fascinating journey and glean insights from his extensive experience in the gaming industry. If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming. Thank you for listening!
In this episode of Game Changers, Josh Chapman, Managing Partner of Konvoy, sits down with Kevin Segalla, the visionary founder and CEO of Tilting Point, a powerhouse in the realm of free-to-play games publishing. With over 80 game titles under its belt, Tilting Point stands at the forefront of the industry through strategic partnerships and acquisitions. Since its inception in 2012, Kevin has led Tilting Point to remarkable growth, boasting a global team spanning major locations such as New York, Barcelona, Kyiv, Seoul, Miami, and Vancouver. Join us as we delve into Kevin's fascinating story and insights from his wealth of experience in shaping the landscape of gaming and entertainment. If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming. Thank you for listening!
In this episode of Game Changers, Jason Chapman, Managing Partner of Konvoy, engages in a discussion with Ralf Reichert, a founding leader of esports, having shaped the industry for the past 20 years. Ralf co-founded ESL with the aim of creating significant stages for a new sport that would elevate players to global stardom. What began as a pursuit for quick win evolved into a lifelong journey, culminating in ESL's position as the largest esports brand. In a billion-dollar transaction in 2022, ESL merged with Faceit to form the ESL Faceit Group - EFG. Ralf, now an active angel investor, primarily serves as Chairman at EFG, focusing on creating new experiences beyond gameplay where esports and gaming intersect. If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming. Thank you for listening!
In this episode of Game Changers, Jason Chapman, Managing Partner of Konvoy, has a captivating discussion with Tim Fields, a gaming industry veteran boasting over 25 years of experience. Tim's career spans pivotal roles in creating, managing, and leading game companies, contributing significantly to iconic franchises like Call of Duty, Halo, Marvel, Disney, Need for Speed, and more. Tim's latest endeavor, the book "Game Development 2042," takes center stage as he shares insights into his expertise in company leadership, studio building, and product design. Join us as we explore Tim's lifelong dedication to collaborating with talented individuals, crafting games and software that bring joy to millions of users. If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming. Thank you for listening!
In the latest episode of Game Changers, Josh Chapman, Managing Partner at Konvoy, sits down with Michael Pachter, Managing Director at Wedbush Securities. Join them as they dive into Michael's career at Wedbush, uncovering his insightful perspectives on the ever-evolving trends in the gaming industry. Michael not only shares some intriguing predictions for the industry's future but also reflects on pivotal moments that have shaped its course during his tenure. If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming. Thank you for listening!
In the latest episode of Game Changers, Jackson Vaughan, Managing Partner at Konvoy, engages in a conversation with Holly Liu, the co-founder of Kabam. Together they look back on how Holly built one of the most successful mobile game publishers in the industry, and how she is now moving on to invest in the next generation of founders, and their vision for the future. If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming.
Host: Josh Chapman In the latest episode of Game Changers, Josh Chapman, Managing Partner at Konvoy, engages in a conversation with Charles Huang, the creator of the iconic franchise, Guitar Hero. Together, they revisit how the Guitar Hero series was created, launched, and acquired by Activision. If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming. Thank you for listening!
Host: Jason Chapman In the latest episode of Game Changers, Jason Chapman, Managing Partner at Konvoy, engages in a conversation with Alexander Seropian, the visionary who created Bungie, the studio behind the iconic Halo Series. Together, they revisit Alex's journey as an operator selling to three different major companies, Microsoft, Disney, and EA. And of course, how he redefined gaming and gave us the iconic franchise, Halo. If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming. Thank you for listening!
Host: Jason Chapman In our debut episode of Game Changers, Jason Chapman, Managing Partner at Konvoy, engages in a conversation with Kun Gao, the visionary founder of Crunchyroll. Together, they revisit Kun's remarkable journey, from a humble solution for a specific need to the monumental creation of Crunchyroll, a platform that redefined our consumption of anime. If you found today's episode as insightful as we have, we invite you to show your support by leaving a review, hitting the like button, and subscribing to the Game Changers podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And for those eager to delve deeper into the ever-evolving gaming industry, don't miss the opportunity to stay informed with our exclusive weekly newsletter at konvoy.vc – your gateway to deep dives and takeaways on a variety of subjects related to the transformative nature of gaming. Thank you for listening!