At The Secret Life of Cookies we know that kitchens are the heart of the home. They’re where families come together, where food comes from and where some of the best conversations take place. Kitchens are where the power is (even nasty President Jackson with his “kitchen cabinet†thought so), and where the baked goods are, which is why Marissa Rothkopf, the host, spends so much time in the kitchen. On The Secret Life of Cookies we will bring you into those conversations with some smart, interesting people who like to cook and have something to say. Pull up a chair up at our kitchen table, and join us as we cook and discuss the important issues of today.  Marissa Rothkopf is a professionally trained chef and food writer who has done everything from restaurant reviews for the New York Times to writing a column on kitchen gadgets for Newsweek. She teaches journalism at Montclair State University and gets nervous when asked to make custard. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
The Secret Life Of Cookies podcast is an absolute joy to listen to. Hosted by Marissa, this podcast combines the art of baking with insightful conversations and commentary on a wide range of topics. Marissa's down-to-earth and funny personality shines through in every episode, creating a welcoming and enjoyable atmosphere for listeners. Each episode features great guests who bring their expertise and personal experiences to the table, while Marissa gracefully guides listeners through her delicious recipes. It's a show that I eagerly look forward to every week.
One of the best aspects of The Secret Life Of Cookies is the winning combination it offers. Not only do you get mouth-watering recipes and cooking tips, but you also get to hear fascinating conversations with interesting guests from various fields. From political commentator Kathy Griffin to author Mary Trump, the range of guests is diverse and engaging. These guests open up about their insights, life experiences, and even current events, making each episode thought-provoking and compelling. Additionally, Marissa's humor adds an extra layer of enjoyment to the show, making it feel like you're sitting in the warm and welcoming kitchen of your best friend.
There are very few downsides to this podcast. One minor aspect that some might find wanting is the lack of detailed information about certain recipe components or techniques. For example, in one episode where Joyce was a guest, there was curiosity about her frosting recipe but it wasn't fully discussed. However, this can be easily overlooked as the overall content of the podcast more than makes up for it.
In conclusion, The Secret Life Of Cookies is a delightful blend of baking inspiration and entertaining conversations. Whether you're an avid baker or simply enjoy learning from experts in their field, this podcast has something for everyone. Marissa's ability to create a comfortable atmosphere combined with her choice of remarkable guests makes each episode feel like spending time with friends at a gathering or party - one you won't want to leave. So go ahead, treat yourself to 50 minutes a week with Marissa and this incredible podcast, and you'll find yourself eagerly awaiting the next episode.
Marissa talks with Norman Eisen about the pro-democracy independent media outlet he recently launched with former Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin, how to manage the Trump years with “litigation, laughter and liquor,” and why only dogs (and not broligarchs) should be skilled in anticipatory obedience. Plus: Why cookies and bourbon may be the answer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On today's special holiday episode, Marissa explores the epicurean delights of Buddy the Elf, with the author of the Unofficial “Elf” Cookbook. Yes, there will be spaghetti with candy and maple syrup, plus recipes for cotton balls, VHS sugar cookies and other delights from the Christmas classic. We'll also explore the crazy-creative process of writing a cookbook based on a well-known TK, as guest Jackie Alpers is also the mastermind behind other cookbooks, including one based on the series “Yellowstone.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guest today is the Baroness of Baking, the Doyenne of Dough, the Queen of the Reverse Creaming Method, Rose Levy Beranbaum. Author of 12 classic cookbooks, Rose's latest is the 35th anniversary edition of her classic award-winning cookbook, The Cake Bible, with completely revised and updated recipes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guest is Marc Polymeropoulos, the highly decorated former intelligence service operative and host of the podcast “Above Average Intelligence.” Marc offers some frightening (and some reassuring) insights into what a Trump versus a Harris win could mean for the world, and the real dangers of Elon Musk and Republicans pandering to Putin. In an attempt to chill out, they also discuss the merits of Greek pastitsio, which you'd better not call Greek lasagna. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa talks with Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, founder of Politifact and author of Beyond the Big Lie: The Epidemic of Political Lying, Why Republicans Do It More, and How It Could Burn Down Our Democracy, about the serious implications misinformation and lies spread by politicians can have on our democracy. Marissa and Bill then take a somewhat soothing digression into the subject of IPAs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa talks to none other than Joyce Vance, former federal prosecutor, professor of law, co-host of Sisters in Law podcast and legal analyst of NBC and MSNBC and friend to chickens and knitters alike. And, we suspect, if chickens could knit, she'd be friends with them too. Joyce and Marissa discuss a topic that has them both concerned about the election: How to make sure everyone knows their vote counts…and what you can say to people who don't believe it matters if they don't vote. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Mollie Katzen, of Moosewood fame, is this week's guest. Marissa and Mollie discuss the political situation and future of democracy in the U.S., but, as you might expect, the conversation turns to the power of food, more specifically how to make ourselves feel better these days. If you've found yourself struggling with the news, this episode is a must-listen. Bread and butter, anyone? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
WWWWD? What would Wonder Woman do? Susan Eisenberg, the woman who has voiced and, heck, embodied, DC Comic's Wonder Woman joins Marissa. Together they ponder what Wonder Woman would do if she arrived in the United States today. Hint: She's a believer in justice. Also, if you play Wonder Woman, what happens when you see injustice being done in your regular life? What if we all had golden lassos? What would YOU do? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Jess McHugh joins Marissa to share the compelling true life story of two people who fell in love--one Jewish and one German-- and made it their life's work to bring Nazis to justice. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chris Cotnoir, host of the holistic fitness and wellness podcast HIIT'n 50, is Marissa's guest. His challenge to her: Create a healthy pre-workout snack that packs protein and carbs and yet doesn't taste like disappointment. Chris and Marissa discuss how to get motivated, set wellness goals and, even better, achieve them. Also, just how dang delicious is Marissa's recipe for healthy cake? Plus: Is watching the news at the gym bad for your health? Links: HIITN'50 Substack: https://hiitn50.substack.com/ HIITN'50 Podcast HIITN'50 YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRmBc8JL27vp8lPZPs9teyA Secret Life of Cookies Substack: https://marissarothkopf.substack.com/?utm_source=global-search Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guest is award-winning cookbook author and editor of TasteCooking.com, Matt Rodbard. Matt and co-author Deuki Hong have a truly special new cookbook out, Koreaworld, which looks at how Korean food has developed in Korea and across the globe. Marissa makes herself a Seoul specialty, the espresso tonic, and the darker side of Trader Joe's is also discussed. You'll want to hear this. Purchase his book here: https://www.amazon.com/Koreaworld-Cookbook-Deuki-Hong/dp/0593235940 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Feeling overwhelmed by the Trump legal week that was -- and the weeks and months that are before us? State Attorney for Palm Beach County Dave Aronberg gives us a master class in what the next few months will look like with Trump's criminal trials, and what another Trump presidency could mean for Justice. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Rachel Vindman joins Marissa to make sense of the past few weeks of news. Together, they get to the heart of why the New York Times makes Biden-bashing front page news, the real suburban women problem and ask themselves whether or not things are better today than four years ago. Hint: They are. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Legal expert and co-host of the #SistersinLaw podcast, Kimberly Atkins, is Marissa's guest. Kimberly's brings clarity into the DC Circuit opinion on Trump being a real, actual citizen, the Crumbley involuntary manslaughter conviction in Michigan and Allen Weisselberg's alleged perjury plea. The impact of these decisions will impact all of us, so we're glad we have Kimberly's important legal insights. And, in honor of Swiftie Super Bowl Sunday, Kimberly shares her veggie chili recipe. It seems Atkins really can do it all! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guest is noted writer David Kamp, who (along with Marissa) is an alumnus of Spy Magazine, which famously coined the term “short-fingered vulgarian” to describe New York real estate celebrity Trump. David discusses his recent editorial for the New York Times where he argues the stakes for our democracy are too high and it's time to stop laughing at Trump. Which isn't to say Marissa and David don't share a chuckle or two on the podcast. Chocolate chip and halvah cookies are baked. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa talks with comedian and host of her favorite podcast, Stand Up! With Pete Dominick in honor of the third anniversary of The Secret Life of Cookies. Together they try to make sense of the week's news, Tucker Carlson's face and whether Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuiliani are secretly bats. All why making a very nice apple-raspberry fruit crisp. It's a very special, and thanks to Pete, a very funny episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Bestselling author Laura Belgray is Marissa's guest. Laura's book, Tough Titties: Living Your Best Life When You're the F-ing Worst” is the self-help book you've been looking for if you don't really want the help, and really just want to commiserate with someone who gets you completely. Learn more about the book described as ““Sex and the City” for losers” on the podcast, while Marissa bakes up a wicked good batch of brown sugar cookies, and Laura just watches. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In a special Thanksgiving episode, Marissa's guest is the Parisian-American chef and author Amanda Bankert. Amanda is owner of the popular Boneshaker donuts in Paris, France and expert vegan baker, with recipes good enough to get rave reviews from the butter-worshiping French. Her new cookbook, Voilà Vegan, is a joy for vegans and non-vegans alike, with some of my favorite new recipes coming from the book. You don't need to be a vegan, or even know one to like these recipes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guests today are the founders of Comedy Gives Back, Jodi Lieberman, Amber J. Lawson and Zoe Friedman, a non-profit that supports the health and well-being of comics. It's a funny and poignant conversation about what it takes to be a comedian these days, all while baking cookies that look like golf balls to support the Comedy Gives Back celebrity golf tour. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guest this week American restaurateur, chef, and entrepreneur renowned for revolutionizing the Los Angeles culinary scene Jeremy Fall, who is now author of a new book, Falling Upwards. They discuss the need to destigmatize mental health issues in men, and the power and curse of being a creative mind with anxiety. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Acclaimed author Laurie Lico Albanese is Marissa's guest. Laurie's latest novel, Hester, takes us back to 17th century Salem Massachusetts where we learn the origin story of Hester Prynne and about her relationship with a local man named Nathaniel Hawthorne. Marissa and Laurie also discuss the alarming growth rate of book bans, the Scholastic Book Fair scandal and which books are getting groups like Moms for Liberty in a lather. All why making French almond cakes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
If Beauty is Truth, What's the truth about beauty Guest Valerie Monroe, the beauty director of O Magazine for 16 years and veteran journalist and Marissa ponder if beauty is truth…what's the truth about beauty? Marissa also bombards her with beauty questions from the practical to the profound, including a discussion of the biggest frauds perpetrated against women (and men) by the beauty industry. This is an episode you don't want to miss. And by the end you'll feel more beautiful inside and out. And Marissa tries out Trader Joe's truffled brownie mix to see if they're better than Botox. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Noted climate scientist and author Dr. Michael Mann has a gift for making the most complex ideas clear enough for us all to understand. As Marissa's guest, he explains the gravity of our current situation on Earth but also offers the impetus and tools we need to act and change our climate trajectory. And Dr. Mann does it all with clarity and even some humor. If you haven't been brave enough to hear the facts about climate change, this is the podcast to listen to. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On this special edition, recorded shortly after Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis' indictments against Trump and 18 of his favorite co-conspirators were released, Dave Aronberg, the District Attorney for Palm Beach County, Florida shares his unique perspectives with Marissa. She bakes RICO cookies in honor of the indictment, and District Attorney Aronberg even quotes Shakespeare, which is pretty daring in Florida these days. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa welcomes Rachel Vindman back on the podcast for a heartfelt and funny conversation about everything that's going on in the world, from climate change to why Lindsay Graham insists on being Trump's bestie to Ron DeSantis' special kind of fascism. Rachel also offers real ways we all can help democracy stick around a little longer in the United States--and her suggestions go far beyond just voting. Plus, Marissa and Rachel ponder careers as high-end SCIF interior designers and Marissa bakes a lime, olive oil and ricotta cake. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In a special interview, Marissa is joined by former Department of Homeland Security chief of staff and the man once known as Anonymous who revealed publicly what Trump's cabinet was saying privately. Miles shares special insights into his new book, Blowback: A Warning to Save Democracy from the Next Trump, and makes clear the threat to the country and our democracy if Trump is reelected. Being an outspoken critic of the Trump White House came with a personal price, which Miles bravely makes clear during our interview. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Mimi Rocah joins Marissa this week to discuss her impactful decision to go from federal prosecutor to county district attorney and the many important changes she is enacting at the local level to help Westchester county residents. They discuss the personal reasons that drive the District Attorney's campaign to educate police and legal advocates on how to deal with sexual assault victims, and Mimi's plan for overhauling New York's outdated laws for sexual crimes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Professor Evan Mandery, author of the must-read Poison Ivy: How Elite Colleges Divide Us, is Marissa's guest. He explains the origins of affirmative action, how it was co-opted and what the real impact of the Supreme Court's decision will be. Mandery explains what elite colleges could and should be doing with their endowments to help create a more diverse student body, plus strategies students and parents should know about applying to college. Marissa makes Mount Holyoke brownies and ponders legacy admissions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
NYU Law professor and frequent MSNBC analyst Melissa Murray brings her genius perspective to the podcast this week, and explains the whys and wherefores of this intense Supreme Court term that has just come to a close. Plus, she has positive suggestions for what We, the People can do to keep our own checks and balances on the Court and lawmaking in general. There is some hope, and Professor Murray is here with it. That's not to say the M&M cookies Marissa bakes during the podcast don't help ease some of the ire of the Court's recent decision. Plus, Melissa recounts the inspiring reason she became a lawyer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On today's episode Marissa's guest is former federal prosecutor, co-host of the It's Complicated podcast, real-life lawyer and man who knows how to explain legal issues so we all can understand, Renato Mariotti. Renato brings clarity to the many news stories this week had to offer. Should we believe Former Attorney General Bill Barr when he says Trump should be indicted? How many ways can Trump and his lawyers delay trial? We put misinformation on trial, and all while Marissa makes Jamie Mariotti's best-in-class scones. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Aaron Nemo, writer for The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, took time off the Writer's Guild of America strike line to join Marissa and offer his insights into why Chat GPT is a real threat to creatives, why unions matter and Mozart. To self-soothe, Marissa and Aaron make Ohio's best-known confectionary, buckeyes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guest is Lizz Winstead, co-creator of The Daily Show, Air America, host of the Feminist Buzzkills podcast and one of the big brains behind the Abortion Access Front, which brings together comedians, activists, writers, and creators to ‘destigmatize abortion and expose the extremist anti-choice forces working to destroy access to reproductive rights in all 50 states.' Lizz shares what we all can actually do to ensure parents in Florida won't soon be put bumper stickers on their car that say “My kid is on the honor roll and carried a baby to full term at Tampa High School.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Kimberly Atkins Stohr, #sisters-in-law co-host, legal expert, Boston Globe opinion writer and pie-baking goddess, is Marissa's guest this week. And what a week in the world of law. With Fox News and Dominion settling their lawsuits, women's right to their own bodily autonomy on the line, E. Jean Carroll's case set to begin and, oh yes, what exactly should happen if a Supreme Court justice forgets the laws as it pertains to himself, Kimberly brings clarity to it all. Marissa bakes an apple-raspberry pie and asks deep questions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Wendell Potter, as a former executive at Cigna, has a lot to say on the state of health insurance in this country. His view, from the inside out, is part of a new must-see documentary about democracy and American healthcare. Anyone who has dealt with a health insurance company knows it's enough to make you sick all over again. Along with some shocking insights, Wendell shares two very important things ALL of us need to do to make health insurance actually work for us. All this, while Marissa prepares a blood orange polenta cake. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guest, Alison Riley, had an idea: Go out and talk to celebrities, artists and creators and ask them to name a low point in their life and the food memory they associate with it. The resulting book is an insightful, touching book of recipes and recollections. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Why is this economy so different from all others? Ron Insana, CNBC senior analyst and commentator is Marissa's guest this week and brings much needed clarity to the current financial climate, plus explains Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell's testimony in Congress and President Biden's plans for the budget. Recession questions? Worries about rising interest rates? Insana has the answers we all need. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Ed Luce, U.S. National Editor of the Financial Times is Marissa's guest this week and sets the record straight on the real legacy of President Jimmy Carter, offers a surprising insight into the biggest issue facing America and talks about how journalists should address the Fox/Dominion revelations. Ed and Marissa also go deep on the most classic of British dishes: beans on toast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Anushay Hossain, best-selling author, women's healthcare expert and host of the Spilling Chai podcast joins Marissa to discuss the latest politics, women's health and race in the United States after the release of a study this week that shows childbirth is deadlier for Black women and babies, whether rich or poor. Hint: It's about racism, not race. Also: Anushay and Marissa do a little therapeutic baking to self-soothe. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Tamron Hall, journalist, author and Emmy-winning host of The Tamron Hall show joins Marissa with genuinely nspiring and insightful conversation. While cooking up dinner, the two discuss just about everything, from the emotional challenges of reporting on breaking news, motherhood and mystery writing. Plus, why women should put themselves first without feeling guilty and live life “like it's golden.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's special guest this week is State Attorney for Palm Beach County, Florida, Dave Aronberg. Marissa and Dave discuss the latest legal and political news and play the first Indictment Derby…in which they try to predict which of the many possible Trump indictments will make it over the legal finish line first. All this while Dave and Marissa are stared at imploringly by their dogs as they bake cake. Lucky for the dogs, the cakes are for them. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Us humans often use January as a time to reset, dust off our barbells and finally clean the linen closet. Marissa's guest has written a book that could help a lot of us reset something even more important: our personal and professional lives. Guest Marjorie Ingall has written a book along with Susan McCarthy called Sorry, Sorry, Sorry and it's a brilliant, funny guide on how to apologize effectively. So, gather your favorite family members, corporations or politicians and make sure they listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guest on the podcast is investigative journalist Marisa Kabas, who has recently dedicated herself to learning everything there is to know (and wonder at) about George Anthony DeVolder Santos Schwarzenegger, or whatever name he is going by today. Not surprisingly, the conversation turns to a discussion of shamelessness: the good kind and the bad kind, and why this is the year to embrace positive shamelessness. Marissa also works on a recipe for very gooey chocolate chip cookies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The political year started off at a sprint with all the hijinx in the House of Representatives, and now with our gas stoves being threatened and a special investigator appointed to examine the oil stains on the floor of Joe Biden's garage, there is no better guest to help take it all apart and put it back together than Dr. Allison Gill. She also dares to look forward and makes some interesting prognostications about indictments. All while Marissa whips up a gloom-chasing orange-cranberry cake. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On this special, second anniversary episode of the podcast, Marissa is joined by the Queen of All Baked Goods herself, award-winning cookbook author, Rose Levy Beranbaum. And what better way to celebrate then to talk about Rose's latest cookbook, The Cookie Bible (which just so happens to feature a recipe of Marissa's) and answer all your cookie questions, from why your cookies sometimes turn out flat to baking soda's least-known, most-important trait. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guest is the brilliant and marvelous Dahlia Lithwick, senior legal correspondent for Slate, host of the Amicus podcast and author of the must-read Lady Justice: Women, the Law, and the Battle to Save America. While making the famous Persian rice dish tahdig, the two discuss the most recent threats to democracy and yet still remain full of hope. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On this special episode, Marissa and her guest, General Mark Hertling discuss what the future holds for war in Ukraine now that winter is here, the long history of trench warfare and how food for soldiers has (thankfully) improved. Plus, why good food is integral to America's national security. It's about much more than an army marching on its stomach. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On this week's special Thanksgiving episode, Marissa's guest is Jill Wine-Banks (Watergate prosecutor! General Counsel for the U.S. Army! Brilliant Legal Mind and Owner of Many Pins!). Marissa teaches Jill air-frying techniques (including a wickedly simple recipe for air fryer stuffed mushrooms) and Jill gets Marissa up-to-speed with all the latest legal news, from The Supreme Court to whether Trump can sneak a pardon in Georgia. Plus! How to handle unwanted commentary from your relatives at holiday time and Jill (and Aunt Mill's) famous Jell-o molds. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guest this week is award-winning TV food personality, chef and social justice advocate, Andrew Zimmern. While chopping, stirring and simmering a pan of Oyakokdon, Andrew and Marissa talk about how to deal with the often negative and angry feelings that arise in a country that feels so ideologically divided, how cooking can soothe our feelings, plus Andrew's no-fail, must-have Thanksgiving dishes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Senator Barbara Boxer joins Marissa in a special midterm elections episode. Having served both in the House of Representatives and the Senate, she offers her unique perspective on how to resolve the divisions facing Congress and America. It's a standout episode full of perspective, as well as a strong vision for how we can secure our future. Meanwhile, Marissa makes some nearly inedible sweet-and-salty pepitas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Democratic strategist and host of the She Pivots podcast, Emily Tisch Sussman joins Marissa this week. The She Pivots podcast celebrates women who have made bold career moves, and Emily and Marissa discuss the power of a non-linear career path. Also, Emily shares the best way to convince everyone you know to vote, and what, no, WHO, is going to make a difference in the election. Plus: Overcoming kitchen anxiety. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Marissa's guest this week on podcast is Miles Taylor, the man formerly known as “Anonymous,” who was one of the first people from inside the Trump administration to speak out honestly about what life in the White House was really like (hint: just as you imagined during your worst nightmares). Marissa and Miles spoke just hours after the January 6 Committee gave its last public hearing and you won't hear his important insights into domestic terrorism anywhere else. Miles and Marissa self-soothed making Taylor Swift's chai cookies. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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