Podcast appearances and mentions of John Steele

Dust of the Kooraurau 

Step back in time to April 1958 and into the rented Beverly Hills home of actress Lana Turner. A fight is underway between her and her lover, John Steele (aka Johnny Stompanato). The door opens, a sudden action and a death occurs. This is where we begin with Homicide in Lana Turner’s Pink Bedroom. (From […]

The Relic Radio Show begins with John Steele, Adventurer this week. We'll hear The Unsuspected, from May 9, 1950. (30:25) Then, The Adventures Of Frank Race brings us The Adventure Of The Six-Week Cure, from November 6, 1949. https://traffic.libsyn.com/forcedn/e55e1c7a-e213-4a20-8701-21862bdf1f8a/RelicRadio966.mp3 Download RelicRadio966 | Subscribe | Spotify | Support The Relic Radio Show If you'd like to support Relic Radio, please consider [...]

What if the soft stuff is actually the hardest—and most valuable—work leaders do? We sit down with Stephanie Ford, director at Warren Whitney and IFO-certified facilitator, to explore how a career built on banking rigor, board governance, and deep facilitation turns messy conversations into decisive progress. Stephanie shares how early years in commercial banking taught her to see the whole system—operations, financials, risk, and relationships—and why that end-to-end perspective makes strategic planning and succession work sharper and more humane.We walk through her pivot from saying “no” in a regulated world to saying “yes” as a consultant who helps leaders think. You'll hear tangible facilitation moves: one-on-ones to map the room, explicit trade-offs to unclog decisions, and a conductor's mindset to manage pace, voices, and depth. She opens up about mentors, including the late John Steele, and the boardroom lessons that only show up when organizations hit turbulence—how consensus is built before meetings, why agendas must guard strategy time, and when to slow down so teams can actually align.Rooted in Richmond and renewed by the river, Stephanie credits faith, partnership, and constant learning for the steadiness required to guide complex groups. From privately held companies and family businesses to nonprofits, her throughline is consistent: clear thinking precedes smart action. If you care about strategic planning, succession planning, board governance, and the craft of facilitation, this conversation offers a toolkit and a mindset you can use on Monday morning.Please visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com to learn more about Mo Fathelbab and International Facilitators Organization (IFO), a leading provider of facilitators and related group facilitation services, providing training, certification, marketing services, education, and community for peer group facilitators at all stages of their career.

The false Door

We begin with Three Minus Two, from John Steele, Adventurer this week. That one aired December 14, 1954. (24:50) Next up is The Molle Mystery Theater with, The Bride Wore Black, from February 7, 1947. https://traffic.libsyn.com/forcedn/e55e1c7a-e213-4a20-8701-21862bdf1f8a/RelicRadio954.mp3 Download RelicRadio954 | Subscribe | Spotify | Support The Relic Radio Show If you'd like to support Relic Radio, please consider a donation at Donate.RelicRadio.com. [...]

Junk Mine

Loser Sleeper

The end of an era is upon us. Dee Simon, Kate Rambo, Lance Wackerle, and John Steele reminisce about 19 years of podcrafting on the final episode of Sick and Wrong Podcast. Sign up for the Patreon or Apple Podcasts to continue listening to the S&W Second Show, archives, and hours of bonus content.

Adventure: Deadline for Danger 1950's Syndicated, John Steele, Adventurer “High Test” 12/21/54 AFRS.

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We're exploring the absurd and brilliant story of Anthony Curcio AKA D.B Tuber—a former football star turned true crime comedy icon. What started off as a well-planned armored truck heist soon unravels into chaos involving Craigslist decoys, a creek getaway on an inflatable inner tube, only for everything to come crashing down thanks to the unexpected brilliance of a local homeless man. From his criminal beginnings to a motivational comeback and finally to a Pokémon card scam under the alias “John Steele,” this funny true crime episode has it all—bad disguises, bad choices, and one of the strangest redemption arcs you've ever heard.   We give you just the Compendium, but if you want more, here are our resources: Heist and High – by Anthony Curcio TEDx Talk: From Addiction to Redemption – by Anthony Curcio Anthony Curcio – Wikipedia Host & Show Info Hosts: Kyle Risi & Adam Cox About: Kyle and Adam are more than just your hosts, they're your close friends sharing intriguing stories from tales from the darker corners of true crime, the annals of your forgotten history books, and the who's who of incredible people. Intro Music: Alice in dark Wonderland by Aleksey Chistilin Community & Calls to Action ⭐ Review & follow on: Spotify & Apple Podcasts

The Relic Radio Show begins with King Of The Island, the July 30, 1953, episode of John Steele, Adventurer. (26:35) We close with The Hallmark Playhouse, and Benjamin Franklin, their episode from May 17, 1951. https://traffic.libsyn.com/forcedn/e55e1c7a-e213-4a20-8701-21862bdf1f8a/RelicRadio943.mp3 Download RelicRadio943 | Subscribe | Spotify | Support The Relic Radio Show If you'd like to support Relic Radio, please consider a donation at Donate.RelicRadio.com. [...]

Ronset Rongaya

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Mes chers camarades, bien le bonjour ! Aujourd'hui pour savoir l'heure, c'est pas bien compliqué : il suffit de regarder sa montre, son réveil, son téléphone… Mais dans l'Antiquité, c'était une autre paire de manches ! Mais alors, comment faisaient-ils ? Eh bah ils avaient notamment des cadrans solaires ! Mais concrètement, comment est-ce que ça fonctionnait, et quelle place avaient-ils dans la société ? Quels usages en faisait-on ? C'est ce dont on va parler dans un nouvel entretien historique avec Jérôme Bonnin ! Jérôme est docteur en archéologie spécialisée dans l'instrumentalisation du temps dans l'Antiquité gréco-romaine, ainsi que restaurateur de cadran solaire : on a donc de quoi faire pour les deux heures qui arrivent ! Je vous souhaite une bonne écoute sur Nota Bene !➤ Pour en savoir plus sur les travaux de Jérôme, n'hésitez pas à jeter un œil :➜ À son livre : https://www.lesbelleslettres.com/livre/9782251445090/la-mesure-du-temps-dans-l-antiquite➜ À son site internet : https://restaurationcadranssolaires.wordpress.com/

Reversal Print

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John Steele, owner of the Jag Soundhouse and Steele Hotels, joined us on the line to talk about the new music venue and the shows slated for opening weekend in mid-March.

Dee and Kate celebrate the worst Xmas ever with special guests Lance Wackerle and John Steele in Part 2 of the SW Holiday Show Spectacular.

Dee and Kate celebrate the worst Xmas ever with special guests Lance Wackerle and John Steele in Part 1 of the SW Holiday Show Spectacular.

Vampire

In this episode we dive into construction design delay. The Challenge The previous design manager has been removed from the project, and your team is being brought in to address the existing challenges. The design is currently six months behind schedule. Your task is to bring it back on track. How do you approach this? We're joined this week by John Steele from Adept Management. Continue Learning Check out our new book The Critical Path Career: How to Advance in Construction Planning and Scheduling Subscribe to the Beyond Deadlines Email Newsletter Subscribe to the ⁠⁠⁠⁠Beyond Deadlines⁠⁠⁠⁠ Linkedin Newsletter ⁠⁠Check Out Our YouTube Channel⁠⁠. Connect Follow ⁠⁠⁠Micah⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Greg⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠Beyond Deadlines⁠⁠ on LinkedIn. Beyond Deadline It's time to raise your career to new heights with Beyond Deadlines, the ultimate destination for construction planners and schedulers. Our podcast is designed to be your go-to guide whether you're starting out in this dynamic field, transitioning from another sector, or you're a seasoned professional. Through our cutting-edge content, practical advice, and innovative tools, we help you succeed in today's fast-evolving construction planning and scheduling landscape without relying on expensive certifications and traditional educational paths. Join us on Beyond Deadlines, where we empower you to shape the future of construction planning and scheduling, making it more efficient, effective, and accessible than ever before. About Micah Micah, an Intel project leader and Google alumnus, champions next-gen planning and scheduling at both tech giants. Co-founder of Google's Computer Vision in Construction Team, he's saved projects millions via tech advancements. He writes two construction planning and scheduling newsletters and mentors the next generation of construction planners. He holds a Master of Science in Project Management, Saint Mary's University of Minnesota. About Greg Greg, an Astrophysicist turned project guru, managed £100M+ defense programs at BAE Systems (UK) and advised on international strategy. Now CEO at ⁠⁠Nodes and Links⁠⁠, he's revolutionizing projects with pioneering AI Project Controls in Construction. Experience groundbreaking strategies with Greg's expertise. Topics We Cover change management, communication, construction planning, construction, construction scheduling, creating teams, critical path method, cpm, culture, KPI, microsoft project, milestone tracking, oracle, p6, project planning, planning, planning engineer, pmp, portfolio management, predictability, presenting, primavera p6, project acceleration, project budgeting, project controls, project management, project planning, program management, resource allocation, risk management, schedule acceleration, scheduling, scope management, task sequencing, construction, construction reporting, prefabrication, preconstruction, modular construction, modularization, automation, Power BI, dashboard, metrics, process improvement, reporting, schedule consultancy, planning consultancy --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/beyonddeadlines/support

High Test

An hour of adventure on this week's Relic Radio Show. We begin with The Marshal Of Morgan County, the April 10, 1951, episode of John Steele, Adventurer. (30:08) I Love Adventure brings us our second story with its broadcast from July 4, 1948, Assignment With A Displaced Person. https://traffic.libsyn.com/forcedn/e55e1c7a-e213-4a20-8701-21862bdf1f8a/RelicRadio919.mp3 Download RelicRadio919 | Subscribe | Spotify | Support The Relic Radio [...]

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The Relic Radio Show begins with John Steele, Adventurer this week. We'll hear One Way Street, his story from March 13, 1951. (30:30) Our second story is The Man From Cairo, from Rocky Jordan. That episode aired January 1, 1950. https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/archive.org/download/rr12024/RelicRadio907.mp3 Download RelicRadio907 | Subscribe | Support The Relic Radio Show

Regular episodes are coming back soon. I have been in France to visit Normandy and other locations as we celebrate the 80th anniversary of D-Day and the Normandy invasion. Join me in a discussion and tribute related to the men and women who undertook with success this epic event in world history.

Ascent

John Steele comes home after a variety of oonflict, both war-related and interpersonal, during the Vietnam war. Emotional damage that doesn't really come across due to leading man Martin Kove's resting confused face has led Steele to lose his wife, his career and his sobriety. When his BFF and former Army partner, Lee, is killed by an old war-era nemesis, "Steele is Back" and unleashed on a Vietnamese crime syndicate. A million movie tropes mash-up to create this Rambo/Commando/Die Hard combo, except with Martin Kove rather than Stallone/Schwarzenegger/Willis. Bodies by Jake. Lots of guns. A cool Gatlin gun truck. A rubber Coral snake on a fishing line. Steele Justice final grade: Steve calls this a fine movie, inoffensive and watchable by anyone who enjoys 80's era action. Pretty standard Reagan-era USA! USA! hero action. 3.41/5.0 Brandon says Steele Justice is a perfectly OK movie to watch. Basically the same storyline and production quality of every Stallone/Schwarzenegger/Norris movie of the 1980s. Unfortunately, Martin Kove can't carry a movie like those other guys. 3.00/5 Cocktail of the Week: Steele Justice 1 1/2 oz Tequila 1/2 oz Light Rum 2 oz Fresh-Squeezed Grapefruit 1 oz Fresh-Squeezed Lime Juice 1 oz oz Honey Syrup 1/2 oz Egg White Combine all ingredients in a cocktail shaker without ice. Dry shake a few times. Add ice and shake again. Double strain (all about that mouth feel) over ice in a rocks glass. Garnish with a grapefruit wedge. Cocktail Grade: A great way to enjoy a grapefruit without a partner. A tasty sour that packs a little punch. One of them is good. Two are really good. 4.69/5 ------------------ Contact us with feedback or cocktail/movie recommendations to: boozeandbmovies@gmail.com X: @boozeandbmovies Instagram: @boozeandbmovies Threads: @boozeandbmovies www.facebook.com/boozeandbmovies --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/boozeandbmovies/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/boozeandbmovies/support

The Relic Radio Show begins with John Steele, Adventurer this week. We hear The Earth Opened, from November 9, 1954. (25:56) Our second story is The Scarlet Plague, the April 8, 1954, episode of Escape. https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/archive.org/download/rr12024/RelicRadio895.mp3 Download RelicRadio895 | Subscribe | Support The Relic Radio Show

The Search for G

John Steele, Adventurer - Comeback 1950 Don Douglas "One man, consumed by a driving ambition, adds the red color of hate in the blistering heat of the baseball diamond." "Sometimes you can step down, to go upstairs." No credits are given.

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The First Stone

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Adventure: Hollywood Star Playhouse “Of Night and the River” 10/9/50 CBS, John Steele, Adventurer “The Honorable Ones” 1950 MBS.

Adventure: Deadline For Danger “No. 5 For Felix” 1950's Syndicated, John Steele, Adventurer “High Test” 12/21/54 AFRS.

Peepsight

The Relic Radio Show begins with The Mission, from John Steele, Adventurer. That episode was originally broadcast on November 1, 1949. (29:44) Our final story is Jetsam, the February 8, 1953, episode of Escape. https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/archive.org/download/rr12024/RelicRadio877.mp3 Download RelicRadio877 | Subscribe | Support The Relic Radio Show Your support makes The Relic Radio Show possible. Visit donate.relicradio.com for more information if you'd [...]

The Balloon

Part 2 of the 2023 S&W Holiday Show Spectacular with special guest hosts Lance Wackerle and John Steele. Check out the S&W Second Show on Patreon and Apple Podcasts to hear outtakes. Happy New Year!

Part 1 of the 2023 S&W Holiday Show Spectacular with special guest hosts Lance Wackerle and John Steele. Check out S&W Second Show on Patreon and Apple Podcasts for outtakes and bonus content. Happy Holidays!

Illinois attorneys John Steele and Paul Hansmeier had an X-rated dream: to represent the “little guys”. The wrongfully accused? The juvenile delinquents? The small businesses? Porn production companies, of course. What started out as a seemingly legitimate copyright business model snowballed into what Federal Judge Otis D. Wright II called “a porno trolling collective”. Yes, there are court transcripts.   Wolf of Wall Street meets Suits meets adult film stars meets iconic court transcripts. Hear Reb unzip the epic saga of Prenda Law and Ingenuity 13 LLC v. John Doe (2012).  INTRO: 00:00 CASE STARTS: 11:10 *** WATCH THIS EPISODE ON YOUTUBE: https://youtu.be/k4WWI3XE99U Follow @RebuttalPod on Instagram and @Rebmasel on TikTok :) Sources/Articles/Transcripts/Court Orders Defense attorneys: Prenda litigation is 'unbelievable', 'just epic' - Washington Examiner (Dec. 23, 2012) (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/defense-attorneys-prenda-litigation-is-unbelievable-just-epic) What Prenda Law is facing in Los Angeles - Ken White, Pope Hat (Mar. 6, 2013) (https://www.popehat.com/2013/03/06/what-prenda-law-is-facing-in-los-angeles/) Copyright Troll Case Tossed For 'Fraud On The Court' After Abbott & Costello-Worthy Hearing - Mike Masnick, TechDirt (Dec. 3, 2012) (https://www.techdirt.com/2012/12/03/copyright-troll-case-tossed-fraud-court-after-abbott-costello-worthy-hearing/) John Steele's Property Caretaker Intervenes in Copyright Trolling Case, Alleging Identity Theft - Mike Masnick, TechDirt (Dec. 7, 2012) (https://www.techdirt.com/2012/12/07/john-steeles-property-caretaker-intervenes-copyright-trolling-case-alleging-identity-theft/) Prenda Law's Attorneys Take The Fifth Rather Than Answer Judge Wright's Questions - Ken White, Pope Hat (April 2, 2013) (https://www.popehat.com/2013/04/02/prenda-laws-attorneys-take-the-fifth-rather-than-answer-judge-wrights-questions/) Deep Dive: Prenda Law Is Dead - Ken White, Pope Hat (April 2, 2013) (https://www.techdirt.com/2013/04/02/deep-dive-prenda-law-is-dead/) Judge Orders Prenda Law Group Beamed Out Into Space - Lowering The Bar (May 7, 2013) (https://www.loweringthebar.net/2013/05/judge-orders-prenda-law-group-beamed-out-into-space.html) Judge Wright's Sanctions Order (May 6, 2013), https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.popehat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/PendaSanctionsOrder.pdf 'Look, you may hate me': 90 minutes with John Steele, porn troll - Joe Mullin, ArsTechnica (May 10, 2013) (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/05/look-you-may-hate-me-90-minutes-with-john-steele-prenda-porn-troll/) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Part 2 of this episode, Patrick, Tommie, and guest John Steele mock Donald Trump's attempt to review classified evidence at home, examine the weakness of the Biden impeachment inquiry, look at X/Twitter's handling of hate posts, applaud the upcoming Stephen Sondheim musical Here We Are, remind Lauren Boebert about proper behavior in a theatre, gripe about musical pharmaceutical ads, and name their favorite songs with a color in the title.

Unleash your authentic self in this thought-provoking episode that explores the transformative power of sexual expression. Lesley Logan with Dr. Celeste Holbrook guides you through candid conversations about overcoming shame, cultivating self-acceptance, and navigating the path towards a deeply fulfilling and liberated sex life.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How to embrace sensuality and body acceptance.How to become aware of what you want your sex life to feel like emotionally.How to have an experience that feels fully embodied, pleasurable, and present.Why Dr. Holbrook loves the idea of body neutrality.How to nurture sexual resiliency and redefine intimacy as you grow. Sexual liberation and overcoming societal shame over sex. Episode References/Links:Follow Dr. Celeste Holbrook on InstagramDr. Celeste Holbrook's Inspiring Your Worth WebsiteCaged Lion by John SteelGuest Bio:Dr. Celeste Holbrook is a sex educator, speaker and a small town Texas horse girl who helps people achieve pleasurable, connective sex through mental and behavioral changes. She speaks to audiences of all ages, diffusing the sensitive topic of sex through direct language and a knack for making the awkward approachable. She has a Ph.D. in Health Education from Texas Woman's University and a virtual practice where she delivers sex education and coaching to couples and individuals. Celeste believes everyone deserves to define pleasure for themselves, inside and outside of their bedroom.  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Get your 15% discount for Toe Sox – use coupon code LESLEY15Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates MentorshipResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan00:56All right, Be It babe, I am so thrilled to have this guest back. So if you haven't listened to our firstepisode,you are going to want to check out the show notes and make sure you listen to that one nextor pause this one. Listen that one, come back to this one because Dr. Celeste Hallberg is back. Andjust an amazing way I've been following her since we had her onthe show. And first of all, I just wannasay, one of our top downloaded shows, so people are definitely interested in this topic. So I had to haveyou back Dr. Celeste can you tell everyone who you are and what you do, just in case they don't knowyet.Celeste Holbrook01:31Hi, Lesley. Well, thanks so much for having me back. My name is Celeste, I'm a sex educator, I helppeople find pleasure in the areas of their bedroom and their life. And I'm excited to chat today andextend our conversation from lasttime.Lesley Logan01:46Yeah, so me too. So Okay. Um, one of the things that I think we talked about kind of like, at the end ofour last episode, when we got off of the recording was like, just even bodies, like our bot, how we feelabout our bodies,how we feel in our bodies, what even society makes us feel about our bodies canhave that it can affect us in having sex be in the bedroom, be in the world. And so I kind of wanted tostart off with that and kind of hear what your thoughts are, and how you've kind of worked with peoplein that way.Celeste Holbrook02:15Yeah, for sure. And I think we both, you know, have this interesting perspective about body, you'reworking so much helping people be within their body. And so I'm really excited to havethisconversation in this dialogue, because I think it's so important. So as a sex educator, I'm working with-2-Transcribed byhttps://otter.aipeople one on one, I'm working with couples, and something that comes up so so often is, I don't feelcomfortable in my body, or I don't feel comfortable getting naked, or I don't want to have sex with thelights on, it's a really common one. Or if I just, you know, fill in the blank, then sex would be better. Andso that's probably where I want to start is that in terms of, in terms of sex, the waythat your body looksis such a tiny, tiny, tiny part of your sensual experience. So we think of sensuality as the use of yoursenses. You're talking about the way your partner tastes and the way your skin feels, and the way yourclitoris feels, and what you're hearing the the noise of your partner breathing. And so you're having thisbeautiful big sensory experience that has, and your vision or your partner's vision is such a small part ofthat experience, right? And it's so clouded by culture and societyand what we deem as appropriatelysexy. And so you can have the most beautiful, orgasmic erotic, wild, lovely sexual experience inwhatever body that you have. It's like it's not required to look a certain way in order to have great sex.Lesley Logan03:56Okay, love everything I'm like, like, that's just like, please like rewind, save that. Because I don't thinkpeople even think about that way, the way you just, like laid out what our sexual experience can be hasvery little to do with how we look because it's that's not even where we're feeling. And it's so funnybecause like, it sounds so simple. And yet that none of us are thinking about that like you said, we'relike, oh, if I if I look a different way, or if I lose some weight, or if like all thesedifferent pressures we puton ourselves as if that's what's going to make the sex better. But that's not it at all. What you just said islike not at all.Celeste Holbrook04:35And to be fair, you you might feel better if you put on a piece of laundry that you feel really great in,right. But I think as we're going to dig in today, that's more about actually feeling safe in your body thanit is about looking a certain way. And maybe we just don't right in here, so I haven't yet...(Lesley: Yeah,yeah, yeah. Let's go there.) Okay, so I have this theory. about the way that we interact with our ownbodies. And I have been calling it the harm reduction theory. I don't know if that's a great use of thatterm. But basically, I feel like the things that we do, I'm gonna say as women, but this applies foranybody. But women have more pressure from society to appear a certain way, right? The things thatwe do to manipulate our appearance, we do them to help reduce the negative messaging that actuallygets through. So think about it like armor. And that's why I call it the harm reduction approach. So myeyelashes that I put on, my nails or whatever it is that you're doing makeup, boob job, it doesn't matter,whatever it is that you're doing to alter your appearance, is in an effort to feel safe from the negativemessages we continue to get, right? So putting on eyelashes, putting on makeup is kind of the price Ipay to be heard. Sometimes, like, I want people to pay attention to me. So I'm going to look like theywantme to look a lot of the times. And so I think that helps give us some compassion. Both directionslike compassion for the woman who has a BBL, right, we want to like sometimes tear her downcompassion for though woman who doesn't do anything. (...) So. Soit's a way to give compassion to allends of the spectrum, really, of how we interact with our own appearance in the world.Lesley Logan06:32Yeah. Yeah, all that. And I, I, it's so, it's so true. You said feeling safe in our body. And one of the thingslike that attracted me to doing Pilates was actually felt like I was in my body for the first time. Like, I waslike, Oh, I'm, what am I feeling I've never felt before. Oh, this is this is me being in my body. Right? So-3-Transcribed byhttps://otter.ailike, yeah, I can so relate to whatyou're saying and understand it. Because I think so many people aredisassociated from their body from feeling things that when they don't feel safe inside it, because it'snot familiar to them. And then we are doing all these things. We think we do all these things to be likefeel, to feel seen and feel heard. And all of that keeps you from actually just being feeling like all thatstuff, feeling safe. Unless you are consciously making the choice. I'm doing this because it makes mefeel a certain way. Sowhat are your steps for helping women? Or everyone listening, but like, How dowe start to feel safe, safe in our body? Like, like, is it, Do we need to like, touch ourselves more? Do weneed to like be with ourselves more? Like, what are those steps thatmay be like, baby steps to like, thenext level?Celeste Holbrook07:45Yeah, yeah, well, since we, since I am usually viewing the lens of sex, let's talk about it in terms of sex,right. So, I think, the first step really, for feeling great in your ownsex life and safe in your own body isto just to become aware of what you want your sex life to feel like emotionally, because then you canstart to build in. These are the behaviors that helped me feel the way I want to feel. So let's say you andI are partners, and we do this activity together. So I sit down and I say okay, my dream sexualexperience would feel, I really get down to like, what do I want to experience emotionally when I'm withyou in a sexual experience? I want to feel erotic, wild, connected and loved. Okay, so those are myfeelings. And then you write it down. I want to feel intimate and close and connected and safe, right?And so then we look at both of our lists and say, like, Oh, we're both looking for connection. We're bothlooking for some fun. And I have some words over here that maybe you don't have, and you have somewords over here that I don't have. But at least we know what we're both kind of going for. Right? Yeah,yeah. So we know emotionally what we want. And then you can start building behaviors. And so if thebehaviors I'm coming around to body in a second, so then the behaviors might be like, Okay, we bothwant to feel connected in sex. What if we spend a little bit more time talking before sex? What if we hadmore sex where we are looking at each other instead of you're looking at the back of my neck orsomething like that? And so then when you get down to the behaviors, then is where you start to saylike, Oh, I feel uncomfortable when you're looking at me straight on. Right? then then you can start tounderstand or feel like, oh, that's this place where I feel a little something. Something's coming up, youknow, and I really don't love the word insecure because I think a lot of women aren't necessarilyinsecure. I think they are driven by culture to tell you like you don't look okay. Right? When deep downI'm pretty secure. But everybody's telling me I shouldn't be because of the way that my body works, orlooks.Lesley Logan10:05Right. Okay. Yes. So I love that you work backwards. That's a great way to think about it. Like, it's like,okay, where do we want? Where does it work? The end result is how we want to feel at this stage. Andthen what are the behaviors that will get us there, and then seeing which behaviors feel good or feellike I would like to run away from that right now. And then going inward on those things. And that canbe stuff we have to do around our bodies, or it could be other things we have to explore with our partneror with ourselves. And so that is really interesting. And I also have never heard anyone talk aboutinsecure in that way. I think you're completely correct. And you should do a TEDx on this. Because weare walking around thinking we're just insecure, when really, we actually know what wewant. But it'sthe outside world, it's telling us that we're wrong. Yeah, yeah. Cuz Would you feel that way about your-4-Transcribed byhttps://otter.aibody if you were alone on a fucking Island? You would not. So it's not about you. It's about everybodyelse. Oh, my goodness, how do we?Where do we start with that? We'd like to start with our children(...) we would start with ourselves, I think, yeah, you know, because actions are not caught on top. Butokay, so, so okay, we, we've gone through the steps of like, how we could figure outwhere our workneeds to be. What have you found in working with couples and people on bodies that they haveenabled,l ike we've heard some steps or some tips or some tools that have helped them kind of getaround that? Because I do. I hate saying, okay, just turn the lights off. Because that'd be a terrible like,your partner wants to see you. I'm sure they are with you. So where are we? Is it that we've gotta workwith a therapist, like, is it outside of your scope? Like what do we, what do you do?Celeste Holbrook11:55Yeah, so some things that, let's start here. Most people feel a little weird on some level on some thingsin sex, like, oh, like, my, the way that I feel right now is not right, or whatever. So this is not, you know, ifyou're listening,I don't want you to feel like you're out of the ordinary. If you feel, you know, this feelingsof insecurity or discomfort around your appearance or your body in sex, that's most people. You're notalone. Right? And so I think the next step for once you have identified the behaviors that you want toengage in that help you feel what you want to feel, then is where you do the work where you are sobeautiful at emulating is embodiment is really, okay, when we're in this behavior that we both agree onbringsus connection. How do I continue to get back into my body because a lot of times insects, we willspectator, which is where we look, we feel like we're watching the event, instead of being inside theevent or like, Oh, should I be louder? Should I be softer? Should I, you know, pull my sheets up overmy butt or whatever. And so, noticing that, oh, you know what, I'm not in my body right now. I'm goingto come back into my body. What does my clitoris feel like? What do my boobs feel like? What is thefeelingof my partner's hand on my butt? Like getting back into your actual body using your senses, andwe call that anchoring. And Pilates and yoga and all kinds of different movement activities are reallyhelpful for a lot of people in that practice. Okay, return, return, return back into my body, so that I canhave an experience with you that feels fully embodied, and pleasurable and present. So the process ofanchoring is the answer that question I think.Lesley Logan13:53Yeah, yeah. And also like, Thanksfor bringing up (...) shout out to Pilates. Because I always say likehow we do one thing is to do everything. So if you're distracted in your movement practice, you'regonna be distracted while you're driving, be distracted while you're having sex, like your need to straplike, like, we have to have these moments. We practice how we want to feel and be so that we candraw upon them when it's needed, like a strength and a muscle. I'm gonna totally sidetrack ourconversation. Just want you to know that Joseph Pilates definitely created Pilates for sex. He actually,that's awesome. He told there's a book called The Caged Lion. John Steele wrote it. And JosephPilates took John on a walk and he's like, You need to have more sex. And John was like, thrown off bythis 80 year old man telling what do you need to do. And he said, all of the exercises I created are sopeople can have better sex.Celeste Holbrook14:41I love that. I really need to know more about this. I need all the information here.-5-Transcribed byhttps://otter.aiLesley Logan14:49I think like, you know, I mean, not our society so harsh on our bodies and what we're supposed to looklike and even as a body positivity movement, unfortunately as women who are bigger bodies, if they dogo on a journey of weight loss for whateverreason, personally, professionally, whatever that is, they're,they're attacked for it. So on both spectrums, like you said earlier, we cannot win, you cannot, it doesn'treally matter, someone's going to hate on you from any side. And so, you know, whathave you found?You have your daughters, you work with a lot of women, what have you found to help women whomaybe have not realized that they're not insecure that they just that they just haven't owned what theyknow about themselves how they want to feel?Celeste Holbrook15:31Yeah, you know, I really love, I was on board for body positivity until I realized it was still about thebody. And so I, I love the idea of actually just neutrality, I don't have to love my body, but I don't have tohate her. And so body neutrality is just like, Yeah, this is my body. And this is what how she functions isthat she doesn't function. And this is how we're going to work together to get through life. Andsometimes that does mean not shaming yourself for engaging in those harm reduction activities ofmaybe it is weight loss, right? Maybe it is surgery, right? Maybe it is something that helps you movethrough the world in a safer way. And that's okay, like, we have to be okay with that for women to dothat. And continueto march towards the idea that my body, I am more than my body, right? I'm somuch more. And so, you know, it is interesting. I do have, as you say twin daughters who are 11. Andthere are no two humans on Earth that are compared more than identical twingirls. Oh, she's the blankone. Oh, she's the blank one. And it's always around appearance versus boys that get a little bit morelike, Oh, he's the athletic one, or he's the smart one or whatever. Identical twin girls are compared morethan any other to humans on Earth, their bodies, right? People talk about their bodies all the time.Lesley Logan17:14That has to be so hard to, like, observe.Celeste Holbrook17:17Oh, I call it out now actually. So so much. You know, people want to say like, Oh, she's the bigger oneor she's the taller one or she's the littler one or she's the whatever one she has a frog or she has shorthair. She has brown hair, like actually Zoey really loves art and Ella really loves theater. And you know,I will like redirect the conversation so, so hard just to try and change the way that we automaticallymake comments about women's bodies from the get go. To the point where I think I almost went toofar. My my, one of my daughters asked me the other day she she asked me like Mom, do you think thatI am pretty? Because I never ever say anything about their appearance, right? And I was like, Oh,maybe I maybe I maybe I went too far.Lesley Logan18:05The pendulum swung. Yeah, I mean, I guess like that. I first of all, I thinkit's amazing that she evencame to you. So like, kudos to like you've obviously taught her a lot. But also like you're trying to protecther so much from that and she's going to be there are both going to be inundated with it in all of lifeoutside of thehousehold. So it's kind of hard. That's a hard, hard thing to walk. But I have not thoughtabout that about like, just, it's okay to like, like, like it's almost like the word whelmed. It's okay to be-6-Transcribed byhttps://otter.aiwhelmed about your body, you can just like it's like, it doesn't have to be this thing that I love or I hate Ican actually be very neutral about it. We can all be neutral about everybody's bodies. And then maybewe'll see even some of those harm reduction things even reduced because people won't be needing toseek certain ones out or more most of many out just for feeling seen.Celeste Holbrook18:58Yeah, I love that you are getting where I'm trying to go. I feel like I'm like all over the place right now.But like, that's where I would love, I would love us to do just as much harm reduction as we need inorder to continue to move forward in diversity of body and where we can see, and I think and I and Iwould love to hear your view on this. I think we've done a lot in the last I would say five years. I thinkwe've really like you're seeing so much more diversity online and you're seeing all these differentbodies, right?Lesley Logan19:30Every mailer I get I like will look at I'm like, Oh, they kept her stretch marks and oh, they have this andand so like, I noticed that in a way that like excites me because it becomes more makeups it becomesmore than norm like you're just seeing that. I'll actually so where I started. So I grew up in a householdwhere my grandmother was over 300 pounds you lose 100 gain100. Thin Finn was like the best thingshe was so sad was taken off the market. So I've definitely like I was in a diet culture household. I justthought you were on die. it Are you off the diet, but likeCeleste Holbrook20:03There's only two choicesLesley Logan20:04Yeah, that's it, you don't just like enjoy your food that you're eating. Shout out to like the snack wells.Right? So we'll be at three different types of milk (...) Skim milk, 2%, home. Yeah, my brother had togain weight, I should belosing weight, like the whole thing. That's not my parents fault. I was doing amodeling thing. So anyway, I do get you're going with this. And I, the reason those I noticed thosethings in a positive way is because when I was a first Pilates instructor,this woman came into thestudio, and I was running the studio, and she went to the teacher, and the teacher was like, okay, sowhat are your goals? Like, what, what? Why are you seeking out Pilates, which is like a typical thing,you'd ask people for any reason they're trying to hire you, right? And the girl goes, well, I want to looklike her. And she puts an ad of a woman in lingerie in front of us. And, you know, the teacher was like,well, you're very beautiful. I don't like why do we need to look likeher. She's like, because that's me.She like this is I'm the model. And they have airbrushed her. So she's the model for this line. And theyairbrush her. So everything that's put out is not her real body that we're looking at right now. So like shehad ababy, and she's trying to get back to who she was no, like, she's trying to be something that doesnot exist in physical form. And I remember going, Holy fuck, what are we all doing here? Like, what arewe doing here? How am I contributing to this? I did not have the tools at the time. But like, I've definitelyin the last five years have seen like, how there are tools out there that we can no matter what sizebusiness you have, like tap into, and also just being kind of like changing different words. But if that wasnot the first model that I ever saw, do that another girl, I was at a pool event for a bunch of fitnessinfluencers. And she's like, Yeah, I'm just trying to look like this again, I'll just like like this. And I said, I-7-Transcribed byhttps://otter.aidon't really understand.She's like, well, I use IU, she used her own app to remove her ribs to like, looka certain way. And I really was just like, having such a hard time because I was also looking to all thesepeople who, because of what society was doing to them, or they're doing to themselves, that wasactually not reducing harm, it was actually causing more. And so I, I really liked the where you're going.And I feel like we have come so far in five years, in the last five years, I think we have a lot more workto do on people, not judging people wherever they are on their journey in their own bodies. And that's,that's where I get like really frustrated, cuz I get frustrated for the girls that that one of them works for usin another capacity. And she's sharing her journey.And she was trying to lose weight. She's trying tohave a baby, she's type one diabetic. And people were just either criticizing her for trying to be ateacher or criticizing her for trying to lose weight. I was like, Oh my gosh, this poor girl, like it'snot ourplace to decide what she wants to look like. So I really appreciate you bringing that up in this episode.Because I think we can all think about how are we, first of all, forgiving ourselves for doing harmreduction acts that we might be participating in or want to. And then also, maybe being kinder, as yousaid earlier to people who are. Yeah, yeah. And I think you hit the nail on the head is that we're all like,we're all trying to feel better. We're all trying to like, move in this way towards something that feels likevitality for our own life. Right? And probably a year from now, I'll think back to this conversation. But Iwould have said something different, right? Because I think about that on a year ago is podcast and I'mon a journey too, but I think that us as a whole. And maybe I'm talking about women as a whole movingtowards the idea that all our bodies are Okay. And yeah, you know, they're all welcome here. Yeah.Yeah. It's funny, I was listening to another podcast, and it's a comedian.And she, somebody criticizedhow she like, did a 90 second thing on a holiday. And she said, You know, when you're a professionalspeaker, and you like speak for living just (...) it's just a numbers game, you're going to say things like, Ishould have said that a little bit differently, or I should have been a little bit more clear or, or this or that.She's like, soundbites or clips like or reels only have 90 seconds like you're reduced to hoping peoplecan read between the lines. And of course, somebodysomewhere is going to take somethingespecially anything we say even today or any episode I've ever had out of context. And hopefully it isfor conversation and not an accusation. I think there's a difference there like and I think also, you know,being kind to ourselves about the intent we had at the time we set it at and as we as we get older welearn more, the more information, the more people you coach, I'm sure like, you'll even maybe it's notharm reduction theory, it's a, you change the words, whatever. And I think like, that's part of, if we can'teven start to be kind to each other for being in process of figuring out the theories are working on.That's even one maybe step towards being kind to each other about how we look.Celeste Holbrook25:23Yeah, well, I mean, for sure, for sure. And like I recently have been really working on being called in,like, you know, being being called in for whatever some, you know, this probably happens to you too,happens to everybody, somebody DM me the other day, like, you know, what you said on this reel, or,or what was a webinar I was doing about menopause was really harmful to me. And I felt like it was notgreat. Not great suggestion. And I went and got some help from a different provider. And this is whatthey said, and this was really helpful. And I thought you should know. And I just wanted you to knowthat this was, this was my experience with your content. I was like, All right, though. Okay. Like, I wentback and listened to her. And I was like, I couldsee where she was coming from. Right? And so the,what I have been working on is creating thickness around being called in so that I can be better. Youknow, and sometimes people call you and you're like, meh, I don't, I don't know. But a lot of times there-8-Transcribed byhttps://otter.aiis a little bit of a grain of opportunity to learn in there. And so I think it goes both ways, calling in kindlyand also being too fragile about when it happens, you know?Lesley Logan26:44I think that calling and kindly is like, is the thingthere, though. Like, I actually love that she caredenough about you. Yeah. And the content that you're putting out there to share that what yousuggested, or what she heard, was not helpful. But here's what was. And I that kind of feedback is, itdoes feel like a kick to the stomach. Sure. But also it's like, wow, had this person not told me (...) I maynot know that this I could reward I could rephrase this, or I could qualify this or, or, you know, whatever.And I think so that's really cool because so few people actually take the time to share that. Otherpeople will take no time at all to be kind and they will, and for that it's like hard, because it's like, there'sno, there's no actual back and forth, there's no way to actually lean into that and, andengage in aconversation. So I think it's like, Yes, I have had to as well. And sometimes like, you know, we've I'velooked at it, and I'm like, okay, can see what you're saying that is really not at all the intent of that. Andlike, how can we keep goingforward without having that intent? Like, what do we do to change thewords, we need to change this thing? Like, and, and so I think, and then also who is saying it alsomatters to me like, I'm like, this is, I might, have I always been creating this foryou, or are you actuallybetter suited like for this over here? And that's like, so, you know, it's hard to know. But it's like, it'sbetter to even like, evaluate and go, where does this feel? Where did I make like, what can I learn fromthis? And, and then also, like, we're always learning I think it's really hard for, as people who arespeakers of a topic. Of course, we're considered experts. And so we are held to a higher standard, butat the same time, like we're still human beings, there's still moreto learn. There's still types of situationsyou may have not encountered yet in your expertise.Celeste Holbrook28:43Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I think what you said earlier, about, like, what was my intent?And what was the impact? like,impact always, to me, means more than my intent, like, I didn't mean to,you know, give this kind of what felt like hard advice about menopause. But the impact was that she feltunseen and unheard. And so the impact was always more important than the intent for sure.Lesley Logan29:13Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I think it's also something to talk about with this topic is like, you know,there's people who are, you know, in monogamous relationships, where their bodies are gonna changeas we get older, notjust menopause, but like, you know, we're gonna get older, both parties are gonnaget older unless you keep trading him for a younger model. (...) ladies, go ahead. The men have beenthere for a long time, by all means. No judgment on that harm reduction,if that works for you. But, whatare your suggest, like, I'm obviously, you mentioned, like having that conversation with your partner. Itfeels like that conversation is going to change over time, maybe even constantly. Or maybe even in amonth, but alsolike over the course of our of our relationship. How have you seen people approachthat as human? As we get older, our bodies are gonna change, like, how have you seen peopleapproach that?Celeste Holbrook30:12-9-Transcribed byhttps://otter.aiYeah, well, I think it's if we can thinkabout it as a beautiful thing, meaning you're not having sex withthe same person for 40-50 years. You, I mean, it's the same person in your bedroom, but you aretotally new people. Because of your experiences, and because of what you've been through and whatyou're, what you're currently going through. And so in a way, it's kind of like it brings that novelty, whichwe thrive off of insects, we want things to be novel all the time in sex. And so what I like to teachcouples is that your best bet for a longterm sexually pleasurable relationship is sexual resiliency. Andwhat I mean by that is the ability to look at your sex life and go, Okay, where can we pivot? Where canwe do something different? Okay, you're having trouble with erectile, you're having erectile issues,right? Where can we pivot to where we still experience some really beautiful pleasure and connection,but maybe an erection isn't always required? Right? So how do we define sex more broadly? If wedefine sex based on what we want to feel instead of what we do, right? then sex becomes like veryopen. And maybe sex when we first got together was penis and vagina you know, so heteronormative,right? But maybe as we age sex is both laying down and touching each other. Or maybe sex as we ageis you giving me some looks across the table from waffles when we're 70. You know, and I feel all ofthose fun, beautiful things again. I used to go and teach courses for the early onset on Alzheimer's unit,where you have a partner without Alzheimer's and a partner who has just been diagnosed, and we'regoing to talk about, okay, as the disease progresses, how do you still connect intimately when possiblysome consent is going to come off the table eventually? Because consent is not there anymore, offeredanymore, right? What's your sex gonna look like? Is it, you know, holding hands on the porch while youwatch the sunrise? Is that you're going to be your sex eventually. Right? And so being able to redefineit over time is the key to sexual resiliency.LesleyLogan32:42Yeah. It's almost like you have to like put through like, every year you're checking your insurance thingsevery year, you're checking, you're making sure you've updated all these things. Maybe you're like,Hey, where's our consent on? Yeah,exactly. You know? Yeah. I don't know if we talked about this onthe last episode, we might have. So forgive me, everyone. But when you talked about the Alzheimer'sthing, this is there was a New York Times article on elderly sexually active adults. And how muchcriticism there was a judge who, whose husband has Alzheimer's and like, he had a partner in thehospital that he was with, and she was like, so like, there was a there was a picture of someone whereshe was this judge was famous judge in the Supreme Court was sitting with her husband, who hasAlzheimer's, who was also sitting with his partner from the hospital. And people are like, how could shedo that? It's like, everything is on her. Like, she's just being like, rude. But it's like, her husband hasAlzheimer's. He's in a hospital. And we're judging that these two people who are like on a different roadin their brain than the rest of us are having some sort of consensual relationship.Celeste Holbrook33:54Non monogamous. Yeah.Lesley Logan33:55Yeah. And so I just felt so bad for her, but the whole article kind of went into, like, where we, as adultshave, have, like, adult children have got to let their parents sexual behaviors be what they want them tobe. And it's not our choice.-10-Transcribed byhttps://otter.aiCeleste Holbrook34:13Yes. Yeah. You can't regulate that. Yeah.Lesley Logan34:16Yeah. They try to regulate you, but you don't get to do it.Celeste Holbrook34:20You don't get to do it. You don't get to do it. And it's part of like, if you thinkabout, you know, part ofthriving for a parent might be their sexuality and their ability to feel pleasure in that way. And, youknow? how if we can just move past the the puritanical shame around sex, and if we can just look at itlike, Oh, what a beautiful thing that they can still engage in that helps them feel human, right? Sex justhumanizes us. Pleasure just humanizes us and so if we can just move past our own stuff, you know,then it's like, oh, yeah, that's actually a really beautiful thing.Lesley Logan35:00Yeah, the movie pass the puritanical shame. I feel like that might be your other book...(Celeste: Yeah,for sure.) I feel like it's a series.Celeste Holbrook35:13I think you are totally right.Lesley Logan35:15Oh my gosh, oh mygosh, Dr. Celeste, I just adore our conversations. I love exploring this topic withyou, I know that it affects so many people. And so just being able to bring you into their world into theirear so they can explore more with you. Because, you know, beinguntil we see it is really hard to do ifyou're not feeling seen, and if you are not experiencing all parts of yourself. And it can be really difficultto go out there in the world if like, you also don't feel super strong, and your sex life or how you feel inyour body and all that stuff. So this is just a really wonderful topic. This will not be the last time we hadyou on the show, just because I fucking love you. Let's have at least an annual if not semi annual. I loveit. We'll do a whole series. That's my podcast, I can do what I want. You can do whatever you want.Before I let you go, we're gonna take a brief break. And then we're gonna find out where people canfind you, follow you, work with you. And then you'll Be It action items. // All right, Dr. Celeste. Where doyou like to hang out? What's your favorite social places? Which website? Where can people work withyou?Celeste Holbrook36:17Well, I'm on Instagram at Dr. Celeste Holbrook. That's Dr. Celeste Holbrook, where we have a lot offun, and we sling a lot of dildos. And you can find me on my website at Drcelesteholbrook.com Wherewe can work together one on one, or I can work with you and your partner to create a sex life that feelspleasurable for for both of you. And I just love to hearfrom you. I love hearing what you got to say. Ican learn a little bit from you.Lesley Logan36:45-11-Transcribed byhttps://otter.aiYeah, so yeah, you have a deemer, if you aren't, I hope that you feel safe and secure to share whatyou took away from this episode, because it would bepart of that taking away the shame of the topic.Celeste Holbrook37:17I am trying to get on a TEDx stage to talk about pleasure. And so I am using the idea of discipline to doand submit applications even when I don't want to like not waiting for motivation. So that wouldprobably be what I have to offer today is, discipline used to scare me, because I thought it took awayfreedom. But in in reality, discipline has opened me up to lots of opportunities. So discipline, even whenyou don't feel motivated.Lesley Logan37:49What a great reframe of that word. Right. You know?...(Dr. Celeste: I hated that word before) Yeah.Well, because it sounds like you need to be disciplined. (...) But you're, you're actually taking this like, ifI'm disciplined on this thing that I want, even if I don't want to do it right now, it's gonna open up thedoors for the things I want. I love that. And you must let us know when you get a TEDx because we willhave we have to share it. We'll have to put it in the show and haveto have you back. We'll put it in theFYFs. A new segment on on the Be It pod on Friday. That's Fuck Yeah Friday, so you must share awin. So we'll have to share yours when that happens. Yeah. I love you. You're amazing. You're doingsuch amazing work forpeople everywhere and especially women. So thank you for being here,everyone. Thank you for listening. You know, please, I'd love for you to share this publicly. It'd beamazing. It'd be a step and a thing of you and look at me. I'm helping get rid of shame around this topic.However, at the very least, maybe text it to a friend. Let us, get us a review and let Dr. CelesteHolbrook know what your takeaways were. 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