Be It Till You See It

What if your body has been trying to tell you something and you simply weren't taught its language? Lesley Logan sits down with best-selling author Inna Segal, creator of The Secret Language of Your Body, to explore how to listen to your body, decode ancestral patterns, and take responsibility for your own healing. Inna shares the turning-point moment that taught her to stop outsourcing her wellness, plus how to refine your feminine and masculine archetypes without chasing perfection. Tune in to discover why nobody knows you better than you. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The moment Inna chose to heal herself instead of outsourcing it.How to tell what ancestral trauma is versus your own pain.Why healthy boundaries shift over time and with different people.Exploring feminine and masculine archetypes through your family line.Why refining yourself beats chasing the trap of perfection.Episode References/Links:Book: The Secret Language of Your Body by Inna Segal – https://a.co/d/0fL3MSwgCourse: The Secret Language of Your Body - https://www.innasegal.com/slybu-purchase-audConnecting to Your Intuitive Body (8-week challenge) - https://www.innasegal.com/8-week-challengeAwake the Healer Within - https://ww.innasegal.com/new-masterclass-registrationInna Segal Website - https://www.innasegal.comInna Segal Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/innasegalauthorInna Segal Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/InnaSegalAuthorInna Segal LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/innasegalauthorSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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I think that I knew how to do it, except that it was my body, and it's your body, when you're that you're dealing with. So nobody knows as much about you as you know about yourself.Lesley Logan 0:23  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:05  Okay, Be It babe, we've talked we've we've had people talk about boundaries. We've had people talk about listening to your body. We've had people talk about getting to know yourself. And now I have your guest expert who is able to actually explain how to do all these things, explain how to actually listen to your body, explain how you can heal yourself. And really, we had a really great conversation about what it really looks like. And I mean, she was just describing being it till you see it in such a beautiful way, without saying it. And I just, I'm so excited that you're about to listen to this episode, because I just finished doing it, and I am pleased as punch. And I feel like I learned so much and or and even things that I think I knew were more solidified, and I have more confidence in that. And I just, I'm excited for you. So here's Inna Segal. Lesley Logan 1:52  All right, be it, babe, I'm ready to have this conversation. I got to talk with our guest today before the end of last year, and I was so excited about all the knowledge she has in the area that we're going to dive into. Also, she's a best selling author, and I think it's really important to bring that up. She is the author of The Secret Language of Your Body, and, you know, as a Pilates instructor and someone who's really big on mind-body connection, I couldn't agree more with someone having access and information on how we can get to know and talk with our bodies in such a better way, I think the world will be a better place if we all could do that. So Inna Segal, if you can tell everyone who you are and what you rock at.Inna Segal 2:28  Thank you, Lesley. So I teach people how to connect to their body and listen to their body, but I'm going to also add the soul and really work with it to transform their health, to transform their emotions, to essentially transform any area of their life which is stuck a block into something that is much more wise, flowing and deep. And so they get to know themselves in a deeper, more enriched kind of way. So it's not a surface-based experience, it's a deep dive experience.Lesley Logan 3:07  I know and that's the hard one. The surface is, I think, easy and necessary to, you know, wake up and go to bed and do some stuff in between, but getting to know ourselves on a soul level. I mean, that is, it feels like it shouldn't be tricky, but for whatever reason, it feels like it's the hardest thing for people to do.Inna Segal 3:29  I think it's the hardest thing just because we are not taught from an earlier age that we should listen to our inner self, and that's through our sensations, through our emotions, through what's really going on within ourselves, but we're actually taught to ignore everything and adjust ourselves to everybody else in the world, and so because of that, I feel that it became hard thing, instead of natural, and part of everybody's life is to go my body is essentially showing me if I'm in alignment with my life, with my purpose, with my relationships, with every part of my life, with my health, or it's not, you know, and if it's not, what is it that I need to change and adjust so that it can be?Lesley Logan 4:27  Yeah, yeah. I mean, oh my gosh, you said so much there that I couldn't agree more with. I think we're all taught from a very early age, you know, to not listen to our feelings even as babies, you know, babies are crying and people are like, it's okay, you're okay, and it's like, well, they're crying, you know? And I get, I get why. And by the way, we have a lot of moms listen, I get why. I probably too be like, you're fine, stop crying. But also like, you know, at what point are we teaching our, teaching them at such a young age to not listen to how they feel, or for us to not listen to how they feel, or how we feel so, so I find maybe our bodies are their own language, like we, we grow up learning English, but our bodies are speaking Spanish, and we were never taught to listen to that language. But maybe I'm simplifying a little bit. Inna, can you I would just want to know before we get too deep into this. Like, were you born knowing all this? Did your parents teach you this? Did you come from a mother who made sure you knew how to talk to your get to know your soul and your purpose or how did you get here?Inna Segal 5:28  Well, my mom was actually she's very open-minded as a person, but she was very much when I was growing up. She was very much into the medical world, and she thought the word of the doctor was kind of the Word of God, essentially. So I went to a lot of doctors when I was younger. I had digestive issues, I had psoriasis, I had really bad back pain, sciatica, inflammation in my back, a twisted back, and I had anxiety just from constantly being uncomfortable inside my body and being in pain. And essentially, I want to say my turning point came when I ended up seeing this chiropractor that I'd seen for a while, and he came out of his office looked at me and said, Your body's stuck. And I said, yeah, I know that part. What are you going to do to help me? And I've been seeing him for a while, so this was not my first session with him.Lesley Logan 6:28  That's good. He's not like, look like, you're stuck.Inna Segal 6:32  Yeah, you know, we'd known each other for some time, and he so he's basically, he basically said, you know, your your body wants to be stuck at this point go home, and I didn't take very well to that. On the way home, I was pretty angry, but because I actually come from a background of professional writing and journalism and editing, I was and I was studying that at the time, I was thinking exactly like you were saying before, from that linguistic perspective that I'm stuck my body's speaking to me. I don't know what it's saying, because it might as well be speaking. I felt like it was more Chinese or Japanese, because I literally I can't even recognize the letters, but what I was aware of is that I'd been going to see somebody for about it was two years solid, between three and five days a week, And I would have, you know, times, maybe a week to maximum month, where I felt better and I could forget about everything and just do whatever I needed to do in my life. But then I would have this crash, and all the pain would intensify and explode, and I would feel like it would get worse rather than better. And so what occurred to me on this drive home was that I'd always relied on somebody else to do all the healing work, and I never actually did any thing myself, because I didn't think I was qualified to do it. I think that I knew how to do it, except that it was my body, and it's your body to when you're that you're dealing with. So nobody knows as much about you as you know about yourself. And so when I went home, I made a decision, I'm going to heal myself. And I essentially just did the most basic things. I placed my hands on my back. I was breathing into my back because I realized that I was holding my breath. And you know, if you hold your breath, you are stuck. And I know you probably know about this more than most of us, Lesley, from teaching Pilates, and you know, and connecting to your body in that way. And so as I was doing that, and counting backwards from 30, it occurred to me to ask for something higher in terms of help. Because I thought, why not? Why? You know, at this point, I mean, there was conflict in me around, you know, whether I believed in it fully or not. And I say this because most people go, well, you have to believe. I didn't believe in anything. I'm one of the most skeptical people you're going to meet when it comes to things, you know, where I need proof for things.Lesley Logan 9:30  Right, right.Inna Segal 9:31  And so, you know, I have a very scientific, skeptical mind, and I ask, because I just essentially felt like, Why? Why wouldn't I? Why not ask for help? At this point, I had zero expectations, but this warmth just moved through my body, and as my eyes were closed, I saw this golden light, and then I said, for whatever reason, or I thought, I thought, I wonder what my back would look like if I could see it, and without any expectation, within a few moments, I felt like somebody switched the light on and I could see my back. And although I was a bit shocked, I thought to myself, okay, this is kind of my (inaudible) to Japanese. Show me. Show me why I have this. What is the real reason that I have this? And the best way to describe this is as in having a memory meets a vision meets wisdom, right? So it was kind of like there were several, I am very visual. I didn't know that I was until that moment, but I am and visually, I could connect back to memories of things that happened. But not everything was a memory. Some of it was more of an insight, vision, understanding, kind of wisdom, what happened. And so I saw I was born in Eastern Europe, I saw myself coming to Australia and going to school and being bullied, and from there, developing psoriasis all over my skin. I saw the conflicts that my parents had in terms of trying to adjust to a new culture going to high school and not necessarily being bullied for not being able to speak the language, but being bullied for not being one of us, so to say, not being because it was a private school, not being someone who came from a super wealthy family, not belonging to the same club, and all of that affecting me from the perspective of, I don't feel myself, I don't feel supported, I don't feel comfortable in my own skin. I don't want to be here and.Lesley Logan 11:57  I get all of that. I get all of that all and I think so many people are probably nodding along, we don't realize how it doesn't have to be so bad that we would be on news show or be a documentary about you, but those little things that make you feel unsafe and or you don't belong, it means that your body becomes this foreign thing you you no one know. Not only do you not know how to read Japanese to talk to your body, but it just you know, if you can't belong in your own body, it's really hard to feel like you belong anywhere. And if you don't feel like you belong anywhere, it's hard to know what belonging in your body is. You don't know what what that feels like.Inna Segal 12:41  Well, exactly, and the last part of this was an understanding of ancestry meets my own, I guess, challenge everything interestingly was coming up around this communication challenge, right? So not being able to speak and be myself, not being able to speak English, not being able to speak the language, and I don't mean, you know, when I, when I got older, the language that people are speaking about. Oh look, this is my label. This is what I bought here, and so on. Lesley Logan 13:18  Oh, yeah. Inna Segal 13:18  So there was an interesting aspect of that. And then there was this ancestral trauma that was connected to my digestive system that took a long, long time to work on. And it was to do with my grandmother losing a lot of people in her family. And then when I was 19, I got pregnant. It was very hard for me to adjust to that idea that I was going to become a mother at that age. Out of all my friends, I would have been, you know, the one they thought would either have kids the latest, or maybe not even have them. So the fact that I was the first, and everyone went, oh my god, wow, okay, was pretty intense. And then, when, then I just had this sense that something was off, probably about a month or three weeks before the baby was born and when, but I was told by the midwives that I was crazy, that nothing was happening. And this is, again, how medical professionals often kind of push aside anything intuitive that shows up, and essentially, the baby died pretty much 38 weeks.Lesley Logan 14:31  Oh, I'm so sorry.Inna Segal 14:34  Yeah. So it was so I was in trauma. I didn't want to leave. I was, you know, I just want people to understand I was at rock bottom, even wanting to be here, and I was 20. In my mind, whilst I don't, I can't say 100% I was told that the baby would have died two or three days before, which was actually my birthday, where I turned 20. So it was, you know, so I kind of connected it to my. Birthday and all of this stuff and that I didn't want to be here, and what's the point of everything in life, and this, this whole experience of connecting to my body, was pretty profound. So I really saw how my grandmother and her loss, she lost her mother, and she she was part of a family of eight, and everybody died, except her and her father, who survived for a few years after the war, and she never really grieved it or worked through it in any way or form, because people didn't at that time, and everybody had digestive issues in my family, and so I could see how the explosion occurred. Especially, I had issues before, but after I had the baby, it was just, you know, I, my digestive system just wasn't working well, and during that experience, I cried a lot. I understood a lot of things. I also realized that I was a sponger. I was one of those people that just took on everybody's pain in general, as well as it all. And after all of these insights, I fell asleep, and then the next day, when I wake up, about 70% of the pain was gone from my back, and I felt different. There was something different inside of me where I went, oh my god, my body's working with me. I can help I can work with it. It's because I made this step towards it that it's coming towards me, even though I'm still super skeptical that, you know, this is not just something that's not going to return. And so, you know, over the next few weeks, I just journaled a lot, I asked a lot of questions, I connected, and by the end of it, all the psoriasis was gone. So that was the first thing that went that was and again, lots of people, my family, have it and have had it their whole lives. So it wasn't, and I'd had it for by that stage, for 10 years. So it wasn't like, oh, you know, I had this.Lesley Logan 17:10  Mis-diagnosis of some kind. Inna Segal 17:11  Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then, you know, I noticed, yeah, my back pain disappeared. My anxiety went down. Digestive Issues took years and years to work on. Lesley Logan 17:26  They do. But also with that generational and ancestral trauma, it just takes a while, because the gut just takes a while to, like, rebuild and do all that stuff and figure out what you need. Sorry, I cut you off. But yes, I actually it feels better that it didn't happen overnight, because that would feel weird.Inna Segal 17:47  Well, yeah, exactly. And that's what people need to understand, is that, especially when it comes connects, like, well, what's the gut about? It's about digesting life as well as food, right? It's assimilating, every day we have experiences, this is our emotional center, one of them, and we always talk about our what's your gut saying? Right? So we already know we have it in our language. So we have our intuition, we have our emotions here. We have knowingness here. But it's also all about how we, our relationships. It's an area that processes what happened during the day, your relationships, your experiences how something happened in your life, and what you believe you're capable of doing. It's kind of where your sense of self lives, and many of us need to clarify what that even means and rebuild it, because a sense of self has been beaten down over the years through all sorts of things in our you know, family and even at work, relationships for sure, and so this is something that is daily, right? It's a daily experience where you go, you know, how did I, how did I go today? Did I push down and push away and just keep going, or did I face things?Lesley Logan 19:20  Yeah, I think that's a great, first of all, I love that you ask yourself questions. And I think that that's where a lot of people, well, I think a lot of people get stuck on what am I asking? But also do I ask myself how am I doing? Yes, that's a great place to start. But I do think a lot of people, you know, it's, it's okay if you're one day, like, I can't do it today. I just have to go through. Okay, one day. But where I think happens is that people keep going the next day into the next day. We procrat, we keep putting off the prioritization of ourself. And that's where it builds up on top of the ancestral stuff. So it's we have our own stuff, and then there's the stuff. So I guess I have, I don't want to forget to talk about boundaries, because I know you've clearly had to figure out how to do that since you are so, since you were a sponge before, and obviously we're probably not now, since you figured this out. But for the people who I've heard of, ancestral stuff, like it comes through, how do people know what's theirs and what's ancestral, and then how do you cut the ties of that? Because is it visually cutting the ties? Is it telling your family that's your stuff? How do you do that?Inna Segal 20:31  Well, it's, I don't know about visually cutting it. I'm not gonna be a fan of cutting things in general. I think I'm more into clearing or being very clear in things that I feel in terms of, again, boundaries, it often takes a long time for you to gain your confidence first, to become aware of what is a healthy boundary, right? So you have to even come to that place of, what does it mean and who with, right? Because it's completely different with different people. So I can be incredibly good with having healthy boundaries, let's say with my students or with my clients, but not necessarily with family. And I'm saying it as an example, right? It's easier with people who are not close with you. The hardest thing is with those who are because you don't want to hurt them and you don't want to be harsh. And so from my perspective, I've done all sorts of things with boundaries. I've spent, you know, countless hours at different times in my life writing them down again. I write to get clarity, and I actually encourage everyone to do that in terms of boundaries, because what does it mean to you? You know, is it self respect? Is it self love? Is it space that you need? What boundary are you actually looking at? Is it actually you know, I know so many people that are single and don't have healthy boundaries with people that they have dated or been in relationships before with, or they keep going and then they wonder why they can't find the part, you know, the partner that they want, and all sorts of things. So there's many, many different boundaries that you need to look at. I think the hardest are definitely when it comes to your parents, children and partner. You know, I really think it's also how you present it and then sticking to it. So for instance, with my children, it's also changed over time. So there were times when they were younger, where it was like, well, you have to knock on the door. That's my boundary. Can't just barge in. So if you barge in, you go back, you know, and you knock on the door, that's a boundary, right? And they had to write down their boundaries as well when they were younger, when they were kind of teenagers, and so on. And then it became, well, you know, with my son, for instance, he would go into this place of overwhelm, and then he would bombard me with negative messages in the middle of the night. And so even if I turned my phone off, which was part of my you know.Lesley Logan 23:15  Yeah, you wake up to a crappy day.Inna Segal 23:19  Exactly. And so I said I had to clarify this to him over and over and over again. You can't do this. If you do this, I'm going to, I'm actually not going to speak to you for a while. I mean, unless you're asking me for help, don't, don't send me this, unless you're willing to do what I'm what I'm going to say, so we had a lot of kind of like, here's a boundary. Here's a boundary. Here's a boundary. With my mom, she used to call me, and the first thing that she would say would be some kind of complaint, and I'd be like, as she called, I wouldn't pick up the phone half the time. And she would go, you know, you don't pick up the phone. And I was like, well, let's think about why I don't pick up the phone. You know, what do you usually say when you call me? You know, do you say something positive? Is it something encouraging, or do you kind of attack and say all these things to me? And so again, we had to have a break for several months from talking to each other, because I was like, you can't do that. And then we had a break another time, because she learned her lesson where, you know, and I would say, I will hang up if you start being negative and telling me all this stuff, I'm not your therapist. I'm your daughter. So, you know, we need to change our game and the roles that we're playing, because this, I cannot grow the way that you're you're doing this. And also, I don't want to be in, you know, like you are with my children. So I need a completely different overhaul of mothering, you know, so that I can be the mother that I think they need. There's so many different ways, and I think luckily for me, everybody in the family eventually, because they kind of got the message in terms of what the boundaries are. But it takes time, and it takes a lot of effort.Lesley Logan 25:24  Well, I appreciate you, one, giving all those examples, because I have asked other people this question, and I don't get nearly the detail. I get be patient, but also be clear. And it's right? I thank you for the you know, the same thing I could read on a blog. What I appreciate is like, you explain how your how the boundaries, healthy boundaries evolve over time, based on the person and based on your needs. And also that it is, it is hard. You have to keep enforcing that boundary until you know it's an actual boundary that they see and you can and it can be appreciated. And also that means that they could have boundaries too. And I think that's where a lot of people who struggle when people put boundaries up, is that they don't realize that they too can also have a boundary they too can go reflect on. So I think what a great example you are. So thank you for diving into that. So I do, I do want, before I forget. I do want to go into that ancestral stuff. Because, first of all, I can only imagine what your grandmother went through. But I do, I do know that, most of us, no matter where you live in the world, if you're over 40, you have grandparents or great grandparents who were in these were World Wars. So there was, there was a lot of loss. And you know, I know my father was in a war that was not appreciated and liked, and in hindsight, was a terrible thing, and so not treated the same as people who were in one of the world wars when they came back home. And so I think all these things depend. So how do you how did you discover what was ancestral with your grandmother versus, oh, this stuff, this over here is my stuff. How did you kind of figure that out?Inna Segal 27:04  Well, I started looking at everybody in the family, actually, and I started asking questions, which were, was I born with this? I mean, in other words, did I bring this with me into this life? Is it does it feel like completely mine, or does it feel like I've brought it? I'm picking it up, I'm carrying this, and if I am, then am I doing it unconsciously in the same exact way that my grandmother, or great grandmother, whoever else did, or my mom? Or am I doing this differently? So I was closely looking at it, and one of the biggest things that we do take on, and that I was watching myself, you know, absorb, let's just say, was constant worry, right? Constant worry, because that was something my grandmother did. My grandfather did it. They had digestive issues, they had surgeries, they had cancers. My mom had it, and I was like, what are they doing that I don't want to get the same health issue? Let's break that down. So to actually, because the biggest thing in my family is intestinal cancers, I was like, okay, let's look that up. Well, in my book that I write, let's look at that right, and let's go, what causes this? And if I don't want to get this, I need to act in a very, very different way, meaning internally, not just on the external which means I need to go rather than just sitting in that state of tension and worry, it's like, what can I do to transform that worry? You know, what can I what do I need to work on in terms of that? So, how do I change that when this shows up? What am I worrying about? And actually, my daughter asked me the other day. She goes, Mom, what do you do when, you know, when things happen to her, mainly to my son. And you know that's different, because she was asking me about this ancestral stuff, and I said to her, well, actually, I start to think I know so many processes, right? I teach them, I write about them. So I immediately get my journal out. I write down what's going on for me, and then I look at what are the processes that are available to me that can help me and him? And it could be as simple as I am focused on buying into whatever he's telling me, which is negative and he obviously wants me to feel as bad as I possibly can feel because that's his pattern that he's learned from, you know, his dad and other people in the family. So what if I don't buy that, and I actually keep seeing him being healthier and being stronger and being, you know, different and so at different times. I mean, not different who he is, but being aware of where he's at. And you know what I found is that it's not immediately that the change happens when you hold something different for, let's say, your your child, but eventually they have. It's like they have something different to adjust to than that ancestral line that you've worked on yourself, and that's how you change things for your family.Lesley Logan 30:50  Inna, that is freaking amazing. It's like, I'm obsessed with this, because it's instead of me turning on the emotion that they're trying to get me to have, I'm visualizing the person that I wish they could be in that moment. I can stay good, and their stuff stays their stuff, and it's not going to solve it in today's conversation or tomorrow's conversation or whatever. But I'm not taking it on either, because it's not mine. I love this so much. Oh my god. I mean, I could keep talking about this with you, but I do want to pick your brain about something that we talked about that made me so excited. You have a whole thing you talk about archetypes and with masculine and feminine. I just kind of wanted to get into that, because I think it's really easy for, you know, with Instagram, to say, like, oh, you got to be in your feminine. And it's like, well, yeah, and I run my own business, so, you know, sometimes I have to talk about taxes, sometimes just got to do it. So I kind of wanted to hear your take, because I'm I also am someone who's, like had gut issues, and I've had a lot of people who listen, who have that, and I'm like, how do I stay not taking it all in, but also, being in this world, this world is a lot going on.Inna Segal 32:02  Yeah, absolutely, when we're looking at archetypes, essentially, what we're looking at is emotion meets your belief systems and a perspective, a particular way of seeing life, meets your life story. So what's actually occurred to you specifically, and also it connects to your ancestry, what you've picked up and you're playing out that you're not necessarily aware of. So let's say we are looking at feminine and masculine as archetypes. So if I'm looking in the feminine archetype, and I feel hardly anyone talks about this, I need to, actually, to understand my own feminine I need to understand my feminine line. I need to understand, well, what was the feminine in terms of my grandmother, let's say, how did she express that? And is that in alignment with what I feel feminine is at this point, so was she warm, kind, loving, expressive, or was she cold, disconnected in herself? What was the example of feminine from, let's say, my grandmother or my auntie or my mom, ideally, all of these people, because that became my idea of what feminine is. Now around the age of 14 to let's say 16, we are as we're growing in that teenage age, which is also an archetype where we're looking at our family, female and females and males, and we're going, who would I like to be like? Who is showing me something that is more appealing to me than the other person? So for a lot of us, especially of my generation, like you said, people in their 40s. You, you, you kind of had that more of a choice than the generations before that, where you looked at your mom and you looked at your dad and you went, I think I want to be more masculine because it looks more fun and I can and I want to, you know, for me, it was like, I want to be like, Madonna, look, if she can do it, I can do it. Lesley Logan 34:32  I wasn't allowed to have her on my wall, but I am so I feel like I missed out on an amazing chapter of life, if I could have had her as my mentor.Inna Segal 34:41  So, you know, and she was quite masculine, and since she went, I'm going to do whatever men do. I'm going to conquer the world, blah, blah, blah. So to me, it was that, and subconsciously, again, no one does this consciously. Subconsciously, I went, well, my mom, so. what feminine means for her. in terms of what I've seen, is cooking, cleaning, doing what you don't want to do, being subordinate to your partner. I'm not doing that. So I was like, I'd rather be masculine than feminine in that sense, again, not consciously, because my dad has freedom. He does whatever he wants to do. My mom does whatever my dad wants her to do, whatever she feels, she's constantly adjusting herself. And so I kind of went like this, you know, bull into the real, into my earlier relationships, going, oh no, it's my way, like I because I cannot be like what I've seen my mom be, which obviously then create a lot of conflict, and made me go, okay, so when I'm looking when somebody says, be feminine, and I'm looking at this, and it's still work, a work in progress, right? And I'm going, so what does it look like today to show up being feminine in terms of this person and that and I thought about it in so many different ways, and one of the easiest ways I've thought about it is through color. So it was like, okay, let's say I'm wearing pink today, so I'm going, pink is a soft color, quite feminine in that sense of expansion. It's it's a love color, but it's gentle. It's not that red passion, you know, and intensity. It's softer than green. Even the green is connected to the heart and healing the heart. So, I, you know, I might go, okay, so what does it look like to be pink and connect to my son, for instance, through that, you know, more of the gentleness let me, let me get to know myself in that feminine through that color. How do I breathe? How do I feel? How do I walk? How does my voice sound? Can I adjust my voice based on this color? Right? Because people get affected. And so it started to look at that. And I also think that when you're looking at again feminine or masculine, it's about role models. It was like, what what do I already have, and what am I missing? And so one of the things, because I grew up in, you know, both when I was very young, in Eastern Europe and then in Australia, most of the time now, in both of these places, gracefulness is not one of the things that you see in terms of women. But in France, you see that all the time. And so at one point, I was like, what am I missing? Oh, I'm missing this sense of grace that I find really attractive in terms of seeing in other women. And so where do I find this? And I was like, I need to, I need to look at old movies. I need to look at French women, not all of them, but. Lesley Logan 38:06  Yeah, no, Inna, this is so be it till you see it. This is the blueprint for how to be it till you see it. And I agree, oh my god, the French women, they know how to just like they exude luxury and grace.Inna Segal 38:20  Exactly. And just watching it and going, oh, okay, let me, let me embrace this. Let me practice this. Right? Because people think, oh, I am who I am, and I'm, I don't agree with that. It's like, you are a refinement, you know? And this is why I don't agree with this whole idea in the New Age movement of I'm already perfect. It's like, what? Why? What are you doing here? If you're already perfect, what's the point of this? Perfection, as my partner says this (inaudible) perfection is the enemy of creation. It's like, you're not perfect. You would not be here. This is not a holiday. You're here to evolve and grow. And, refine. You know, let's not even use the word perfect. Let's use the word refine. And, you know, grow in that sense. And it's the same with the masculine. What I find, for instance, is that people who find it very hard to be successful in the outside world have a very weakened masculine without any doubt, it's almost like that spine of the masculine is weakened inside of them, usually from childhood, usually from, you know, all sorts of belief systems and early failures and lack of direction and lack of support often from their family in terms of, rather than pushing somebody into direction, actually discovering the direction that and supporting them in the direction that is right for them. And so what ends up happening is that these people start having these very, very strong belief systems. But it shows up in their spine like literally shows up energetically in their spine, because lower back, for instance, is all about finances. And you know, how good are you at looking after and supporting your family? And I grew up with people who constantly thought about finances, so it was not a surprise when I figured it out I had back pain, and love back pain. So it's almost like, as you become aware of it, you actually have choice to do something about it. So with the masculine you can, you know, you can go, oh, I need to work on strengthening that archetype, that part of myself, but also my spine, and my ability to handle rejection, my ability to handle objections, my ability to to guide if it is my own business, let's just say my ability to make decisions, concentration, logic, so all of those are beautiful masculine qualities. But I need to, let's say, whether you're in a masculine or feminine body, feminine is creative. It's light, it's a bit chaotic, but it's, you know, it's flowing at the same time, it's colorful, it, you know that there is that divinity and spirituality magic that it has there, whereas the masculine is more about making it happen, taking something that's creative and amazing and putting it into practice.Lesley Logan 41:35  Well, and you can, I would love to hear, I want to make your own opinion for you, but it just sounds like we need both. We have to we all need both. And it sounds like understanding where we got our our vision of what those two things are and how we are using them in our body is going to either help us or it's or it might be what's harming us. And so the more we can take our time to discover who is. Where did I discover my feminine and where am I, where would I like it to be? And where did the masculine happen? And where would, where would I prefer it to be? And then working towards that. And I love that we are not perfect. There's no perfect. Just keep on evolving and refining and getting better and so but the Instagram world is like, oh, I have three friends who are like, I'm just gonna, live in my divine feminine I'm like, oh, okay. I mean, I think that's gonna be hard.Inna Segal 42:32  Well, actually, interestingly, quite a few years ago, when I was separating from my ex husband, I ended up meeting this friend of mine, and she was doing this whole divine feminine thing at the time. And I remember I would call her and I would say, we caught up three times a week at the time, which was amazing. And I'd call her and I'd go, oh, what have you been doing, you know, this week, besides the times we've, you know, caught up, and she'd go, I'm connecting to my feminine I'm just literally lying next to the pool, journaling, you know, getting the sun, having a swim, and that's all I'm doing, because I'm slowing down internally and and she would speak in this beautiful, kind of very slow way. And I remember thinking, it's like she's the complete opposite to me. I don't even know what that looks like, or what that means to just, you know, go, and this was happening over many months, where she just, you know, it was covered. She wasn't working, and she was, you know, she'd pick up her son and do some things in the evening from school, but most of the day was about this and and really embodying it. And I was well, firstly, I think it's amazing that she's doing it, but most of us do not have that luxury of just or a (inaudible). Lesley Logan 43:53  Right, we do have to kind of go do something today.Inna Segal 44:01  Exactly. And, you know, in the same way that it was beautiful, it was also really challenging for her, because then she was kind of like, well, I want to start a business, but there was all sorts of blocks that were coming up for her to start a n business, because she really got into that state of, well, feminine means there's no time limit. You just do what you want. You just kind of, right? And eventually it's she had to step into her masculine and start to balance it out, because you cannot just be in one, you know, constantly.Lesley Logan 44:41  Yeah, one or the other. Yeah, it goes the same with like, oh my gosh, I we don't have time to get into it. But on the ground, these people are, these dudes, this is what it means to be masculine. I'm like, is it though? Maybe you should find your feminine. Maybe you should. But I appreciate that you sharing that story and also, yeah, we it's kind of taking the time to understand both archetypes for ourselves and what that refinement looks like, and then working on what the transition is between the two and when, when you're applying both. You know, I feel like I could talk to you forever, because, it's so beautiful what you do, and you're so knowledgeable, and there's a lot of kindness and how you approach these things, it's also so patient. So, you know, I appreciate that, because, you know, our listeners are like, okay, but tell me. And I think they need to hear it does take time, so we are going to take a brief break and find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you, and your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 45:31  All right, Inna, where do you hang out? Where can they buy your book? Where they take courses? Where should they go to learn more about you?Inna Segal 45:39  So the best place to go to is my website, which is innasegal.com I-N-N-A-S-E-G-A-L dot com, and what I really invite people to do is to take a step forward. And in the last few years, what I wanted to do is to take away people's excuses. So I used to do these master classes, slash mini workshops. I used to charge quite a bit of money for it. And then I said to my partner, you know what? I just feel like I want to spread the seeds, so to speak, and I want to give people an opportunity for, you know, some time. And this can change at any point that we've decided to change it, but for some time, an opportunity to access these, you know, mini workshops for free, because I want to take away excuses, because most people have excuses, non stop excuses, of why they don't do something. And the only excuse I cannot take away is you actually making a time for yourself and going and doing it, right? Actually doing the course, the mini workshop, the masterclass, and giving yourself the opportunity to tune in and there's, there's several master classes, so there's option. It's not, I never believe in one fits all kind of mentality. Some, some people very new to my work, my book, The Secret Language of Your Body, and they just want to go, how do I work with the book in the best way possible, right? How do I work with my body in the best way possible? So we have options for that, where people can, you know, can can do a course based on my book, The Secret Language of Your Body, or they might, you know, we also did something called the eight-week challenge where, you know, connecting to your intuitive body, where I go through all the systems of the body through the eight weeks, as well as archetypes and tuning into your body. And this is a way for people to really get to know and understand all the different aspects of their body that shows up and really befriend it. But then I teach, I teach my kind of 10-day workshop of Awake the Healer Within which is what I'm most excited about, because it's what you know, what is the foundation of healing? What does it actually mean to heal on the deepest level? And we talk about and work with a lot of archetypes, from feminine and masculine to the victim to the, you know, inner child, to really understanding your saboteur and how you sabotage your life, how you procrastinate and so, as well as the archetypes connected to your intuition and your capacity to move forward. So, and there's a lot of kind of tools around working with the body and healing and different conditions and energy and so on in that particular offering, which is a master class as well, but it goes for four hours. You need more time, and we go into all sorts of processes. I always, I don't just talk in these master classes. I actually give people a lot of wisdom and processes. And then I have one on your purpose and the sole purpose, and what it even means and looks like, and one on understanding ancestry and understanding your kind of your stages of development. So there's a lot.Lesley Logan 49:17  Inna, oh my gosh, if you try it right now you can, you can access it for free. So you should go do that. Why would you wait? And if you have to pay, I think it's probably worth it. So, I mean, I learned so much already. You have given us so much, and I agree with that. Like, take a step forward so that could be your Be It Action Item. But if you have any other bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, we'd love to hear them.Inna Segal 49:43  I feel like step one is making a decision that you're you're somehow responsible for your own healing, not for what happened to you, not for all the trauma that occurred to you and other people's involvement. But what can you do about it and without it, nobody actually really heals in a real way. Other people can do all sorts of things for you, but it won't fully hold, because unless you take that step forward, you're not, you know, you're not really understanding what it's about. And so step one is being interested, being willing to understand, taking that responsibility and then searching for it, taking step a step forward, and then I'm going to say is helping yourself from the perspective of, how does this become part of my life? Right? So, how do I make it part of my life? In other words, what do I do when I wake up in the morning most of the time, right? Because we can't do something all the time. Things change. But most of the time, what is your first thought when you wake up in the morning? Are you focused on meditation, divine connection? Are you focused on what you could do during the day? Are you focused on the positive? Are you focused on stress and worry. You know, what, what happens to you? Then you know what happens to you when you're eating, for instance, are you conscious? And I think that's a huge one for most people, including myself, because we're just running and doing this and this and that in the you know, can you start to create time? And I had this conversation yesterday, actually, with my partner. I went to meet his family. He's from the UK, so we went to England last year, and I was watching his family, and I was like, oh my god, I can't breathe because they just ran. There was no stopping, there was no kind of breathing, there was no self-reflection. There was just doing, doing next thing, next, next, next. And he said to me yesterday, he said, I've just realized that, you know, I do my work. We work together. I think like you do with your husband. And he's like, I finished something, and I go, what's next, what's next, what's what's next. And I never give myself time to really connect and tune in. And he and I said to him, yeah, because this is that's all you've seen when you were growing up, I was exhausted watching your family, and I remember at one point I did a process, and I did in the wrong place, in the wrong room, where everybody could see me, where they started coming into the house. I didn't realize how long it would take. And they were like, what are you doing, wasting your time, as opposed to, actually, I'm doing something really important. Why are you not helping us? I was like, oh, because I'm being I need to, you know, I'm doing something for myself because it was, it's non-existent, and he went, it's almost like I feel guilty, or I feel, you know, that I'm wasting my time. That's why, when you keep saying, do processes, but I have so much more to do, but it's practical. And what you're saying to do is impractical. It's you know, internal stuff, but not, I don't see the practical application of it. And, you know, he's like, can I feel guilty, and he's like, I need to change this, right?Lesley Logan 53:18  Yeah.Inna Segal 53:20  And this is many, many people, especially men, where they kind of go up, I just need to fix stuff, I just need to do stuff, as opposed to, unless you're good inside, and you even give yourself an opportunity, like you said, Lesley, to ask questions, to go within, to discover who are you? What do you stand for? What do you do? What are you about? You know, all of this takes time to self-reflect and self-connect. How can you have boundaries? How can you have good relationships with someone if you never think about it right, because that shows up in your body. So how do you allow yourself to access feelings if you're being taught to push them down? Well, it takes time. It takes time for you to explore, but you have to make that choice to explore.Lesley Logan 54:18  I love this so much, and also, isn't it so funny when we see our partner or our friends, where they come from, and then you're like, oh, that's why you don't sit still. No one is sitting still. And my husband will listen to this when we'll do a recap, but like, hey, babe, do you did you see yourself in that description of her partner? Because, we're going on vacation. And he put he brought the computer to the pool. We brought the computer to the pool. And I was like, I'm gonna shame you. I'm gonna put you on the internet. My husband brought his computer to the pool, everyone. You know, but also, you know it's we're all on this journey. We're all learning the more we can actually take it, take your Be It Action Items, and embody them and use them. I think we can. We all get to grow together, and we can affect so many people's lives. Our bubble of influence will be affected in a positive way. So thank you, Inna for being you and for all that you brought to us and all that you educated us on. We're gonna have to talk again, I'm sure, because I barely, I think we barely touched the surface of all that you know, but y'all make sure you connect with Ina. Make sure you share this episode with a friend who needs to hear it, and let us know which Be It Action Item you use and how that helped you. We would love to hear it. We'd love to celebrate with you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 55:36  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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In this Fuck Yeah Friday episode, Lesley Logan shares why neuroscience confirms confidence is built by acting before you feel ready, not after. She celebrates a community win from a Pilates instructor prioritizing self-care post-surgery and reflects on the years-long ripple effect of her eLevate teacher training program now halfway through Round Six. The episode closes with a grounding mantra for letting go of what's keeping you stuck. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hello, Be It babe. How are you? My gosh, this is a great weekend. Most of you, if you're in the States, you're leading into holiday weekend, a big holiday weekend. I am leaning into a girls trip, which I can't wait to tell you more about next week. And I'm gonna share a win of yours, a win of mine, and some inspirational stuff. I'm gonna get you on your weekend, because that's what FYFs are about. They're about you sending your wins in so we can celebrate you, celebrate the things that you're doing. This podcast is here to make sure that you get to have all the worthiness and success and love and things that you want in this world and celebrate you along the way. So send your wins in. Send them in, small, big, they can be one sentence, they can be a paragraph. I'll read them all. Lesley Logan 1:24  Before I get into your wins. This says, neuroscience shows confidence is built by repeatedly taking action before you feel ready. So most people have this backwards. They wait to feel confident before they act. Outcome, hesitation, avoidance, overthinking and delaying and because they don't act, their brain never gets new evidence. That means your brain builds confidence in different areas of life, emotional, social and professional through action and evidence. Listen to the podcast intro, action is the antidote to fear, and it brings clarity. More action you take, the more evidence your brain has for you to feel confident to take more actions. So no action, no evidence, no update, no confidence. This negative feedback loop weakens confidence over time. So even if you think I'll never know anything new, then you're slowly going to be less confident, right? Confidence grows or weakens based on the predictions your brain makes about you. Your brain is constantly asking, can I handle this? Those predictions only change from action, not from thinking of taking action. When you act, even while uncertain or afraid, your brain gets new data. I did it. I can tolerate discomfort. I handled it. That new data creates prediction errors in the brain, increasing neuroplasticity. New input action is more manageable than my fear anticipated. Taking consistent action reduces that thread response over time, increases tolerance for uncertainty and strengthens self-efficacy. I can handle this. This is when confidence grows. You don't become confident, and then act. You act. Your brain updates. Confidence grows. Act before you feel ready. That's how confidence is built. So Be It babe. This is literally, a post about being it until you see it. Do you, do you see that? So the link is in the show notes. It's from @letstrainthebrain. So grateful for that. I saw this and I was like, that is the be it, that's the be it that it is. I love it so much. Lesley Logan 3:16  Okay, so now your win. This one is from @pilatescoreuk, going for lunch with friends for the first time out since post op. So if you haven't followed @pilatescoreuk, you should. Kimberly is amazing. I love her so much. She had an unexpected surgery recently, and she's been sharing and showing how she is still getting movement and steps in and and taking care of herself and prioritizing self, even while in pain, even while injured. She has kids, you guys, her life isn't this all fluffy and ponytails, like she is doing it, and she does it in a way to help you see you can, too, take care of yourself in these cases. And so thank you for taking the time to share a win with us so I can highlight you and how you're inspiring me and other people every single day with all that you're going through. So thank you so much.Lesley Logan 4:05  Okay, so my win is, here's my win. You've heard us talk about this and the things that are coming up, but I just have to take a second. eLevate, which is in round six, it's halfway through, where we did the eLevate round six weekend the previous month, their assessments for are coming up. They're going to have their fourth out of five weekends next month. And this is the part where it's like, oh my god. I just like, I'm so proud of the work that they're putting in, but more importantly, I'm really proud of how I continue to challenge myself and understanding how people learn, so I can continue to make each round understand the work that Jay taught me better, and then I get to share that with past rounds as they support the new people and as they come on retreats. But all in all, I can't believe in 2022 when I started this program, I was like, I think I'll just do it one time, we'll see and so my win is kind of big, because it's so many years in the making. So proud I did something scary. I'm so glad I'd be it till I saw it so I got confidence over it, and I'm so proud of how confident I am in the product that we're doing, because it really does change people's lives. And just watching these students at eLevate continue to share their wins, of how they're applying what they're learning and changing how they're teaching and impacting lives around them. Like, it's a win that keeps on going. And I also it's something that I have to celebrate as well, because they love it so much, because past grads have loved it so much, next year is almost full, and that is because of the dedication that my team and I put into this program and so doing something scary that we're like, should we be ones that do this? Shouldn't there be other people to do it? So that inspirational post is really an example of it's literally the thesis behind what I've been doing. And yes, I can say confidence does come from doing the thing before you feel ready. So thanks to all my eLevate grads from one through five. Thank you for six, for trusting me. You guys are working so hard, and people who are set up for round seven, we are going to have a lot of fun. We are. Lesley Logan 6:08  All right. Let me get you a mantra. I let go of everything that holds me back from being my best self. I let go of everything that holds me back from being my best self. 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In Part 2 of the Listen to Yourself series, Lesley Logan delivers a hands-on toolkit for hearing your intuition more clearly and telling it apart from fear. She breaks down what real intuition actually feels like in the body, why so many high achievers struggle to access it, and how to build trust in your inner voice through small, repeatable habits. The episode closes with journal prompts, simple daily practices, and one intuition-led decision that completely changed where Lesley lives today. Tune in for the practical follow-up listeners have been asking for. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. 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Voice is so loud because we spent so much time listening to it, we have had way more experience listening to the fear instead of listening to our intuition, and that may be because just of the life that you've had prior to this. Lesley Logan 0:17  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:00  Hello, Be It babe. Hi. Welcome back to our Listen to Yourself series. I'm so happy you're here. Okay, so if you missed Tuesday's episode, you're gonna probably want to hear that one, because it does talk about what is our intuition. What is listening to ourselves? And then also, why is it so freaking hard? And by the way, after listening to all the different reasons it's hard, it's an I'm actually shocked any single one of us can listen to our intuition at all. So I also shared some stories about different times I listened to mine and didn't listen to mine. And I just want to say thank you to all of you who shared your takeaways from that episode. It really means so much to me. You know, it's I record these alone in a room and talking to myself. So I really appreciate when you all share how the episodes affected you, or takeaways and wins and things like that. So questions you have that answer those on Thursday episodes, wins and aha moments, I'll share on Friday episodes, but today we're talking about the tools to help you listen to yourself better. Listen to your intuition better. So sources for this information will be in the show notes. But I have to say, this is kind of fun. There's lots of different things. So here's the deal my, Be It babe. I know that it's easy to try to do all the things at once, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask you to pick a couple of these things that sound good and the ones that don't immediately sound easy for you, just ditch them. Save them for later. Give them to a friend, right? Please. My overachievers who are listening, who are in recovery, don't try to do them all. Lesley Logan 2:20  Okay? So some of these might sound redundant as we go through, but know that sometimes we hear same thing in slightly different way. It kind of makes a little more sense to us. So here we go. How do we hear our intuition better? Calm the mind? Use meditation or breathing techniques to quiet the noise. So I will say I love doing breath work, or I like a guided meditation. I know that sounds opposite of listening to yourself, but if you just have music playing for me and I have to just sit still, I'm gonna tell you right now my mind ain't quiet. I kind of need someone that's like, look at this cloud. Watch this thing, right? That's kind of my MO. So if you're like that, find guided meditations or breath work. If you haven't read the book, Breath, that is one of my favorite books of all time to recommend. So I highly recommend it. Okay, tune into the body. So pay attention to physical sensations such as a sense of lightness aligned like an alignment, or a sense of thinking or tightening feeling like not aligned. So lightness is going to fill a line, tightening is not going to fill a line. And that means you're going to have to start body scanning, right? So you might do this one time a day. Maybe you do it in the morning, or you do it at night, to start to just notice where you already feel tight or where you don't feel tight, and so you can know yourself. Because, sometimes it's like a doctor might ask, Oh, how long have you feeling like that? You're, oh, I actually don't know. So it is if you're going to tune into the body, which I highly recommend you do, finding ways to make that a habit. I use this. I use OPC to help our members with this. I use Pilates for myself. So when you do the 100 is going to feel different each and every time you do it, depending on what time of day you do it, depending on what happened the day before, how you slept, all that information, and that is a way to tune into your body. So for me, body scanning I only do when I'm trying to fall asleep, to be completely honest, or if I'm in a breath work that's guided, they're like, pay attention. I've truly used my Pilates to go because I do the same exercises. And I'm oh, I could get more out of that, right? That is a great way to feel what feels light and what doesn't feel light so that I can kind so that when I feel lightness, I know I'm in alignment when I feel tightness and making a decision, I feel like I'm not. So that can be helpful, but that takes time, so just be nice to yourself about learning how to feel alignment and business alignment in your body. Lesley Logan 4:34  Pause and reflect instead of reacting immediately to emotions. Pause to see if the feeling is a panic response or calm, enduring insight. So this is interesting, right? As an ADHD person whose brain goes 17 miles ahead of most people, I am like, let's take instant action, and then, of course, I'll regret how quickly I made a decision, not that the decision is a regret, but how I handled it. Right? So something I am trying to work on is just like, take a moment. Why am I upset? What am I wanting to have happen? What might be all the different ways I could have that happen? And then in taking that pause, it really lets me feel what my inner knowing is actually trying to tell me, which is, you're actually not upset about this thing, you're upset about this thing, and it's coming out here. I think that that takes that also just takes time. So I also wanted to find out, does intuition sound like something? Because if we're going to hear it, what does it sound like? Right? So intuition often feels like a calm, quiet and immediate inner knowing or gut feeling that provides certainty without logical explanation, which is different than anxious thoughts, which are frantic and fearful. True intuition is neutral, steady and frequently experiences a physical sensation, such as a quiet, grounded insight, a sinking feeling, or a sudden, clear, non emotional, not joy. I think it might not have an actual sound to it, but it has from all this research. It doesn't feel you don't feel uneasy when you're listening to your intuition. It feels this is so normal and natural. I think that will help if those, for those of you who are getting having a hard time differentiating between gut intuition and anxiety, right? Lesley Logan 6:20  So trusting your intuition involves cultivating inner quiet paying attention to bodily sensations. Those are somatic markers. We have some, had some great somatic guests on the show, like Lauren Zoeller, so definitely listen to her episodes. If you want to dive into somatics more, you got to practice the intuition in low stake situations. So that's going to be helpful, because we don't want to be making our first decision on a high stakes situation, you got to is it going to the gym, right? It's like a muscle. So key methods for listening to your intuition are going to be in meditation, journaling and slowing down. That's going to help you distinguish that feelings from fear by identifying physical signs like tension or calm and validating past experiences. You can build confidence in your intuition. And I, will say, you know how I get on every guest I'm like, if you're gonna tell us how to journal, what are we journaling about? And I think this is where, if you are trying to listen to your gut more, maybe the journaling is a form of question, why do I feel that way? Why is this coming up? What? How does this make me feel? Where do I feel this in my body? Then you can, you know, write it out, and that can be really helpful. So asking yourself questions based on the gut instinct that you're feeling that might help you discover if it's truly from you, if it's from fear. I can't I mean, slowing down. Oh my god, right. So as I said, there's gonna be a few more here that might sound the same, but we're talking about a different way that might help you. Lesley Logan 7:41  So widening your mind, reducing mental noise, or meditation and deep breathing, or spending time in nature to better hear your voice. So I love this suggestion, because I don't think people get on nature enough. If you've read the book The Artist's Way she has, you go on artist dates, and sometimes it's like just taking your shoes off and walking in grass, right? I think that that can be really helpful. And so if you have a hard time quieting your mind, maybe that's what you're practicing. Listening to your body. We talked about that tightness versus the ease. Journaling daily, we talked about that this is really good. Write down your thoughts and hunches to uncover patterns in your thinking and recognize your intuition has guided you correctly. So taking a legal pad of paper and just writing out what's on your mind, you'll recognize patterns quickly, because, especially if you force yourself to do three pages, here's what happens. Some of you guys are overthinking your thoughts and just gonna say, don't even try to read your writing. Just write. Right? David Corbin will say, close your eyes and just write. But, I think that some people could overthink the journaling, which means you're not quieting your mind. You're not going to get your intuition, but just writing. And what I found when I was doing The Artist's Way page is I found why I was inactive in a lot of decisions, because I was I had so much fear, but I wasn't able to articulate that. And I've been feeling that in my body, but I couldn't get it to my brain. And so it really helped me go, oh, this is what I'm afraid of. Okay, well, is that gonna happen? How could that happen? How can I avoid that happening? Okay, now I can make the decision, right? So you're gonna practice with easy decisions to build trust by following your gut on small daily choices such as, what to eat or who to reach out to. So we're not making big decisions on your job or your relationship. You're just like, hmm, I feel like having a sandwich right now. Okay, let's go have a sandwich right now. Was that? Was that your intuition, right? Like reaching out to a friend? Oh, I feel I should call this person, call them, or at least text them, right? Try that out. Lesley Logan 9:30  So this one is a little bit. Might be a little woo-woo. Okay. But if you read the book E-Squared, you'll, you won't think it. So use the body sway test. Stand up, relax and think of a decision. Feel if your body moves forward, that's a yes or backward, that's a no. My girlfriend, she wanted to see if she if I was drinking something, and she was like, oh, I wonder if that would work for me. And so she closed her eyes, she held it in her hand, and she's like, will this help me? And then her body leaned forward. I watched it happen. I swear to God, so that could be helpful, right? Some other key practices to strengthen your intuition. So, getting quiet, and this means getting in nature or quiet for 10 to 15 minutes daily. I know that's a lot, because, you know that's 1% of your day, so just keep that in mind. Notice physical sensations. I think a lot of us are really not connected to our bodies, which is why I'm such a passionate person about having a consistent Pilates practice, but noticing physical sensations, right? Being able to really notice, oh, my feet are cold right now, or you know just what's going on your body? There's things that are changing all the time.Lesley Logan 10:30  Differentiating from fear. So in Tuesday's episode, we talked about how like, fear can also say it's intuition. So intuition is generally calm and patient and persistent, whereas anxiety feels urgent and chaotic, intense, trusting, small signals. So this is really, this is where I find, like, My intuition is the most helpful. And once I start to notice these, I start to notice bigger ones, but small signals that something just something's going on. You're like, oh, you know, that's what a hunch, right? What a hunch. I'm going to follow that hunch, and then that way, with these little signals, we actually can actually lead to bigger decisions without waiting for the big gut instinct. Like, you should do this, right? Some people do a coin flip method. That's not something I would love, but, it might help you, right? Because, I think if you put a head, I'm going to do this, tails, let me do this, and then it flips. You're like, oh, it's tails. Well, that tells you what you really wanted. You wanted a head. So go to the heads. And then visualize outcomes. Imagine living with each option for a few days to see which brings a sense of peace or relief. And I think that also is helpful for understanding how you feel when your gut instinct is telling you to do something. What does ease feel like in your body? It might feel different than what it feels like for me, right? And then clean up emotions. Suppressed emotions can block intuitive signals, so acknowledge and process fear and anxiety clear the wave for clearer and quieter and more confident guidance. And so I think that that's important. I think a lot of us have a lot of bottled up emotions, which I like to do breath work because or exercise, because you can just, like, emotions just leave the body. Oh my gosh. If you were like, why did I cry in that workout today? Because it wanted to get out. It wanted to get out. And you got to stop suppressing these things because it's clogging up your channels through your intuition. Lesley Logan 12:14  So, in thinking about intuition, I was just thinking about okay, there's obviously a confidence thing here. And if you don't have confidence, you often have doubt, right? So like, how do we how do we figure out how to overcome doubt? And so I think this requires all of us, high achieving, busy people, to slow down, because your busy schedule can mask the intuition because you're not creating space to even hear it. So I'm not saying quit things. I'm not saying stop doing things. What I'm saying is how can you say no to some things, like, look at your schedules, or anything you can, like, take off of it this week. What pressures are you doing? It makes it really easy to start feeling what you're feeling, which means getting into your intuition. Also, I think another thing you can journal about that will help you overcome doubt is recalling past times your hunch was right. I think you need a little have, not a burn book, but some sort of wins hunch book where you put any hunches you followed on and then they were right. That's going to help with the confidence that you need to overcome the doubt that is this my intuition, or is this fear, right? And then being patient, developing trust in your intuition, takes time and consistency, and it is particularly going to take time if you're an overthinker, right? Just something to keep reminding yourself about, because I get it like I have so many things I want to do, I have so many things I care about. And the reality is, I'm one human being, and I can only do so much in a day. And if I'm too busy, I'm missing out on on picking up on things that might just be the best way to dial this way or that way, that can change the course of the impact I want to make. Right? Sometimes we just get on a path and we're doing the we're following the directions, this is the path I made, and I'm here, I'm going to just follow this path. And then there's like, Hey, do you want this path over here? And you're like, I'm too busy to see that ding. And it's like, hey, do you want to see this path over here? It's going to get you there fast. And you're like, Oh, this is the path. Because I'm too busy. I'm not thinking about it, right? Lesley Logan 14:13  I also wanted to give you some prompts for your journal that will help you when it comes to our intuition. So here they are, and we'll have these in the blog, in the show notes, so you can just copy and paste them. What is my body trying to tell me right now? You can even ask. I'll just give you a little second. We can hit pause. What is my body trying to tell me right now? If I were to trust myself completely, what would I do? Would you do anything differently? I would trust myself completely. What would I do? What is the gut feeling I have about blank and why? So if you're like, I don't hear my gut she's not talking to me. Well, what do you think the gut feeling is about that thing? Why do you think that what is one thing I know to be true? So even if I cannot logically explain it, what is one thing I know to be true? And I think that's helpful, it's almost like, oh, that I know that to be true, and it feels like this in my body. So if it feels like this, and this thing over here I'm thinking about feels the same, even if I don't have logic for it, then I then they can both. The feelings are the same, so they can both be true. What does my inner voice feel like? Is it a sound, a feeling or a vision? I think this is helpful, because I hear it as a voice, right? But some of you are more kinesthetic, and you feel it, or you hear some sort of sound. I know people that there's a scent that they'll smell, and then they'll literally, when they hear it, when they smell that scent, they'll stop, and they'll listen to themselves, and they'll actually hear their intuition. And then the scent doesn't fit anywhere. So for example, let's say the scent is Jasmine. There'll be no jasmine plant around, but they smelled Jasmine, and then they paid attention to what they were thinking, and that was how they did it. Or is it a vision? Can you see it happening in your brain playing out? So some more prompts. Recall a time you ignored your gut and what happened. So that helps you figure out what the signs are. Recall a time you trusted your intuition. What was that outcome? When do I most feel in touch with my inner voice? What am I doing when I feel the most in touch with my inner voice, that will help you go and find it. Maybe it's like, oh, when I walk outside, well, then that helps you, because then if you need to hear it and make a decision, and you're like, I don't want to do get the hell outside, right? What is one fear that stops me from listening to my intuition? What is one fear that stops me from listening to my intuition? Like, what are you afraid of? If you listen to it? Isn't it so interesting how when we like call out our fear and we actually say it out loud, how silly it sounds? Lesley Logan 16:47  All right, how can I honor my needs today? Another prompt for your journal. How can I honor my needs today? What does the best version of myself need to know today? That's a be it till I see it. What is the best version of myself need to know today? What feels heavy or forced right now? What feels light and flowing right now? And then you can complete the sentence I am ready for link. Lesley Logan 17:15  And then last thing I just want to leave you with is different ways to journal, because I know you. I know you, and that's why I it on our guests, like, you can't just say journal. You have to tell them what to journal about. So I gave you those prompts, but you can do free writing. I talked about that's like The Artist's Way, or what David Corbin does, just like writing. What's like just going just write your thoughts. Or you can do more of a set the scene type thing. So you create a quiet space. You take a few deep breaths, and you use your journal to remove distractions. So you're probably gonna have more of a prompt there. But you're gonna take a quiet time, ask yourself the question, take some deep breaths. But set the scene. For me, I will just write anywhere some people need to go, in their writing corner that's setting the scene, and then you have to review. So in The Artist's Way, you don't read the notes back, but if you're doing the book during one of the weeks closer to the end, you do go back, and she has you look for certain words to see what the patterns are, and that's going to help you understand the recurring themes, words or feelings. When you do that, that helps you realize your gut is talking to you and that your intuition is there, it makes it easier for you to listen to it in the future without that. Lesley Logan 18:26  So think I want to just leave you with this building trust. Building up that trust to listen to your intuition, it's necessary to pause so you can distinguish between the true intuitive calm and the loud, reactive fear. And I really do think that some of the reasons why so many of us have a hard time listening to our intuition, aside from what society's pressures are, is that the fear voice is so loud because we spent so much time listening to it, we have had way more experience Listening to the fear instead of listening to our intuition, and that that may be because just of the life that you've had prior to this. And I need you to give yourself kindness and grace, and I need you to consider getting help around that, some professional help. If journaling for you like, I've journaled all this. Lesley, this is stupid, great, then you might need some help. And if you I've had help, get different help, right? Because I can say confidently that at the times I've listened to my intuition, they've always led me, yes with obstacles, yes with some pain, yes with some frustration, but they've always led me further along and closer to the person I want to be. And I can connect the dots looking back, but I can definitely could not connect the dots when I was in it. There was no logical pattern for how he's gonna get from a point A to point B. Lesley Logan 19:44  This house that we're in, I told people I wanted to move by June 1st. I was like, oh, I live there on June 1st. And they're like, you can't buy a house in nine days. There's always 30 days of extra. Watch me do it. We found a person who wanted to rent to own. Guess what? Move in nine days. Bought the house on our contract to deed, and we did it, you know. And there were so many times when logic was going to say, that's not gonna work out. I just kept trusting, like, what feels right? When I walked in this house, I was like, I don't use any other houses. This is the house. They said. The rooms are exactly where I want them to be. Is it perfect? The outlets are fucking crooked. No, I gotta fix those. But I think that's where using your gut instinct to get yourself like when you trust it, when you can hear it, when you've got that muscle, it really helps you not focus on what logic is saying. Because if I'd focus on logic, then I would have waited probably a couple more months. Maybe we'd more taxes. Then it had been too expensive. We might have moved to Vegas. We wouldn't be able to we wouldn't, we would not be in our neighborhood. I can tell you that right now, and been priced out. We've been in a different neighborhood and have an office somewhere. Lesley Logan 20:48  So I'll just say, maybe the last thing to say is this, be mindful of whose opinions you listen to that let you let talk you in or out of what your gut instinct says. I have some people my life that when they disagree with me, I just lean heavier. I'm like, oh yeah, because you don't like this idea. I know it's a good one, but that might not be you. Maybe if someone says those things to you, you actually doubt yourself. And I would say they don't get to know the decisions that you're making, not until you get stronger at it. You're amazing. I hope that these two episodes on intuition are helpful. We have ina next week talking about listening to your body to heal yourself. And we're going to keep these amazing series going. If you have more topics, or you want me to dive in even deeper, you have a question, send it in, because that question could end up becoming a two episode series that we dive into and that could lead into a guess all that kind of stuff. Don't keep it to yourself. How can we help you be it till you see it if we don't know what you're trying to be it till right, all right. Thanks so much. And until next time, be it till you see it. Lesley Logan 21:49  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. 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In Part 1 of her Listening to Yourself series, Lesley Logan unpacks what intuition actually is and why so many of us struggle to hear it. Drawing on personal stories and current research, she explores how subconscious pattern recognition, past experiences, and inner calm shape the way our gut speaks to us. She also names the noise that drowns it out: fear, trauma, social pressure, and over-reliance on logic. This episode is a grounded reset for anyone who's lost trust in their inner voice. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:What intuition actually is, and the science of subconscious pattern recognition.The reason a gut feeling can seem illogical now but make sense later.Three books that explain fear, trauma, and your inner voice.Ways fear, anxiety, and past trauma quietly disguise themselves as intuition.The difference between calm intuition and loud, urgent fear.Episode References/Links:Quora: Why Is It So Hard to Trust Intuition - https://share.google/xCow6Q7yTdKUQMPkoMedium: What Intuition Really Is and Isn't - https://share.google/DBWNMS5g6vafDOAejIPC: What Exactly Is Intuition - https://share.google/eH2S0zlOENreq2AsVPsychology Today - https://share.google/gDyxkjMpOgu31QO75The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker - https://a.co/d/03NEtJNIWhat Happened to You by Bruce Perry and Oprah Winfrey - https://a.co/d/0aOdhLkoGetting the Love You Want by Harville Hendrix - https://a.co/d/07Ct9mnJCatch and Kill by Ronan Farrow - https://a.co/d/0aEu2NNzMoonBrew - https://moonbrew.co/lesleylogan20Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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It is built on learned experience and subconscious pattern recognition, meaning it can be biased or inaccurate. New situations, additionally high stress, societal pressure and logical over-analytical thinking, often drown out inner quiet knowing. Lesley Logan 0:19  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:01  All right, Be It babe. Hi. We're gonna have a really fun series for you, two episodes. I know, isn't it fun? I certainly hope so. So if you're new to the Be It pod. Normally, in the past, we always had an interview on Tuesdays and a recap on Thursdays. And after five years of doing that, I talked to so many people, I've had so many requests on topics that sometimes it's hard just find a guest who wants to talk about that for like, 20 minutes, right? And so I thought it'd be fun to take some of the topics that you guys have been requesting and then do some deep dive research myself, share them with you, and then we can have other guests come on after that that kind of dovetail into that topic. And so we have a great episode coming out next week, that's all about listening to your body and what it's telling you and healing yourself. And so that led me to going, like, can everyone listen to their intuition? Like, do we all have it? Is it easy to listen to yourself? And so I don't know, let's, let's talk about it, right? I think, as someone who's an Aquarius, who's in her head all the time, I was like, is it, is talking to myself as an Aquarius with ADHD in my head all the time, the same as intuition? And the more I thought about it, the more I realized, like, I don't think so. I think that's just like self-talk. But what we'll see, what the research says in just a second. But I will also say, like, I can think of certain times where, like, there was a very clear voice that came through in my life about what I should be doing next. And I remember going, that is such a weird thing to hear or say or think, and so that's why I feel like it's not the same as, like just talking to yourself. I think there's like a clear voice that cuts through and it's like, hey, hold on. Pay attention to this. I'll tell you a couple of them. Lesley Logan 2:38  One, the voice that I heard in my head when I was in a Pilates class, and this had been in 2007, I did Pilates for a couple of years at that point, and I was, like, it was probably around April or May of 2007 and because I moved into a couple months later. So actually, no, in my mind it must have beenJune, because I, like, was such a quick turnaround, like 30 days. So it must have been June. So I was in a Pilates class, and I heard my voice go, I don't like living here, in the Pilates class, I don't like living here. And I remember going, what a weird thing to say because the truth is, like, consciously, I love living where I live. I live by the beach. Who wouldn't wnat to do that? I've been living by the beach for almost seven years. At that point, like the one of the luckiest people, I had the greatest job. And so for me to say I don't like living here, was kind of like a big thought to have, and that that thought later that day, when I went to work and I picked up the phone and somebody was like, hey, Lesley. She had my same job at a different location in L.A. in Santa Monica, so it was also by the beach. And she said, hey Lesley, she's like, I put my two-week notice in, and it was like, my my mind was like, remember the thing that I heard, and my mind goes, oh, I'm gonna put in for your I'm gonna put in transfer for your job, right? And so then I so that was one moment where, like, the intuition was just so clear for me, for like, what I need to do and how I need to change my life. Another time that I can share with you about, like, listening to my intuition is one of my clients. So two, two parts. So in December of 2019, Brad and I were in Vegas, kicking off our very first tour ever. And we were at Vesta Coffee Shop. It's on Casino Center Drive, shout out to our neighbors, and I've never been there. We're waiting for our pop up to start. And we were having coffee, and Brad goes, I could live here. Said that, right? And I looked around, and I was like, I know it feels like the weird side of Melrose, like the place in town, like we've always want to kind of live at and we didn't have it, and it didn't even feel weird to even think because we loved L.A. So like, it's kind of just a little weird that, like he would say that, and I'm like, we love L.A. So like, why would I go, yeah, you know? And so then I gathered some information. Later that day, I asked my brother, like, do people live here who don't like work in the industry here? And he's like, oh, yeah, you know. And so put that aside. Like Brad said that thing, I had this feeling like, oh. And I got some more information. Then, two weeks after shutdowns and Covid, so we're in April, one of my clients said, hey, this company I work for is going to be working remote until June of 2021, so I think you should break your lease, cancel it, put yourself in storage like you know. And my immediate thought when she said that, my brain was like, space is going to become a commodity. Brad and I need to move to Vegas now, right? And so that was just like this intuition moment that I could then take action on and then, and on June 1st we moved. So I think that, like, it really does require a little bit of information and then trust in your gut, but that's what I think. I'd love to know what you think, and here's what the research says. So let's see if we think I'm spot on, or if you agree with me or agree with the research. Lesley Logan 5:40  So I have two things for today's episode. Today's episode is like, what is intuition? And then also, why is it difficult for us to hear or trust our intuition? Thursday's episode is going to be on tools to actually hear your intuition better. Okay? So that's the breakdown of our lineup. So, and then the sources for this information are always gonna be in our show notes. So, what is intuition? Intuition isn't magic or fantasy. Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge or understand something immediately, without the need for conscious reasoning or analytical thought, often described as a gut feeling. It acts as an inner voice that processes information, past experiences and pattern recognition on a subconscious level to guide decisions. So you can see from my two examples, like I had to have information. You know, like I I had been living in the place where I've been living for a while, and I've been doing Pilates, and then I had this thought, and then when I went to this to the next part of my day, I got more information. It was like, I can act on that gut feeling, right? Brad and I liked Vegas. Thought about moving here in two or three years, so in 2022 or 2023 and then again, got some information, and my gut feeling is like, oh, I can take action on that. So it's just, it's, it's kind of like the same thing that people could say that luck is the intersection of preparation meets opportunity. I do think that the more I read about this intuition stuff, it's like you have a connection to your thoughts, and then you get, it meets opportunity and information, and then the two connect together and for you to take an action on that, no one else would see, because they're not in you, and they don't, they have different thoughts that get the same information, so it's gonna have a different reaction, right? So key aspects of intuition, there's a subconscious processing. It's not magical, but rather the brain's rapid, automatic analysis of previous experiences, of stored knowledge. So your brain is as a fiel cabinet, and it's got the stuff going on, and then all of a sudden it's a rapid automatic like looking through the files and going, boom, hold on, what? Check this out. Listen to this. Right? Lesley Logan 7:32  Pattern recognition. It functions the mental shortcut, helping individuals recognize patterns in complex situations. One of the things that I joke about, and I feel like several of you listeners have agreed that you have the same thing is like when the shoe drops, I have such clarity of the next thing to go, like the next thing to do, right? So, for example, we were on a plane coming home from Cambodia on March 14th 2020, and I already knew L.A. had shut down. We had heard that the day before, and so we had sent our dog walker to a grocery store, like I just sent her a bunch of money. I was like, please get any groceries you can. Good luck. Stay safe, right? And we're on this plane, and I'm getting all these emails of all these people who are trying to cancel contracts I have for the year. And I told Brad, I said, the Pilates industry does not know how to teach online, and every single person has to go online yesterday, so when I get home, I'm going to teach the people who are in our Profitable Pilates agency membership, how to teach online, I'm going to to do that tomorrow. So I like set it up. I told everyone at this time, at this day, it's your part of your membership. I'm teaching you. And then I had a public one that I charge for for five days later. So I knew based on just how much of my life experience as a teacher that was teaching online, and then so I knew what I had been doing, but most people are not trained to do that, and so it was this like mental shortcut that I was able to go, this is a complex situation. Hold on. I know how to teach this. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna let it go. I'm gonna do it right now. It's like, it was this like urge that I had to get it done. I'm really proud of what we did and how we saved so many people's businesses because of that quick mental shortcut. Pattern Recognition, right? Lesley Logan 9:07  Speed and emotion, intuitive thoughts often appear quickly in consciousness accompanied by an emotional or physical sensation. Right? Speed and emotion, intuitive thoughts often appear quickly in consciousness accompanied by an emotion or physical sensation. Bridge between mind and logic. It bridges the gap between the conscious and unconscious mind operating beneath layers of logic. And I think that is really important, because I believe that in hindsight, we can see how logical some of these gut instincts, intuition moments are, but in the actual moment it it seems illogical if you were to tell people, like, when I came home and told Brad, I was like, space is gonna be a commodity, we need to buy a house right now. Luckily he just, like, had been on board with my crazy thoughts already, but a lot of people were like, you shouldn't be spending any money right now. There's so much uncertain. Like, the logical part would be like, don't buy a house right now, right? So it really does bridge the gap between these two. Lesley Logan 10:00  How it works. Intuition relies on tacit knowledge, which information, which is information gathered over time that is not consciously recalled. It's particularly effective in situations where quick, high stake decisions are required, such as detecting danger, assessing a person's trustworthiness. While powerful, it can be influenced by biases such as past negative experiences. That's important, your intuition can be a little flawed based on your past experience. Experiences, so it's always important that you are growing and learning. Because there's two books I want to that my brain just recalled that I feel like, oh my gosh, we have to talk about these right now. One of these books is called The Gift of Fear. It's by Gavin de Becker, and the book when I read it, so I will say I've read it with a diff in a different place in my life, but when I read It, there's an interesting part about how your gut will tell you, like something, like instinct about something, but then logic will tell you something completely different. And so then you'll lean on logic when your gut instinct was to, like, not trust the person, or not trust the thing. Now with that said, if you have a past experience in the subconscious that can actually affect you reading your intuition a little incorrectly, let me explain that there's. Oh the other book. Here we go. So there's the book What Happened to You, and that is with a great doctor and Oprah, and it talks about how your brain is developing. So as a child, if someone had a special scent or smell or voice or something like that, it will attribute that scent or smell or voice response to some and let's say that person was a negative person in your life, it will attribute that. So if you smell that your your gut instinct might be to feel fear and unsafe when that person has nothing to do with that, and that's in the present moment that has nothing to do with that. And but you're you're you're misreading based on your past experience. So you do want to make sure that you're you, if you have any of any traumas in your life, that you're not necessarily using that trauma to cast a judgment on somebody else you don't know. But so definitely, The Gift of Fear, read What Happened to You, if that's some if you have anything like that, if you smell something and it instantly makes you want to go, oh my god, I gotta leave this place. I would definitely explore that so you can retrain that, because it could be a shitty person. But if it's not, we don't want your intuition to lead to the wrong way. Okay, the third book, I didn't finish this book, I will say, and I have no idea if this author ages well in life, and we're not going to go down that road, but, but in it's called Getting the Love You Want. And I had a lot of parents who were couples read it, and they were a really in problematic relationships. So I don't know why I took the recommendation, but I was in a different relationship, and I was like, okay, I want to read this with you. And of course, big red flag, they did not want to read it with me. But one of the things about in the first chapter of this book, which is, like, the most important part that kind of goes with what I was just talking about in What Happened to You is that when we get into relationships, we fill all of our holes up, right holes with an H, and we fill all of our holes up, and then we project the person that we're with filled those holes up, but we actually just did it ourselves. And then when the relationship is no longer new, and we are tired of filling our holes, we stop doing that, and then we blame the other person for change. Person for changing when really we were the ones that were doing that. But in that book, it talks about how oftentimes we cast judgments on people based on subconscious thoughts from early childhood with different people in our family. So we either trust someone because they seem like their energy, seems like your grandmother, who you loved, or they seem like your your stepfather, who you didn't, right? So, so definitely worth if you have, if you're having a hard time trusting yourself, or you are, you feel like you might be misinterpreting based on past experiences, you might want to check those things out. Or, instead of reading the books, just go get some great, wonderful help. Lesley Logan 13:45  Okay, so back to this, how it works. Remember, I'll just repeat myself. Intuition relies on tacit knowledge, which is information gathered over time that is not consciously recalled. It's particularly effective in situations where quick, high stakes decisions are required, such as detecting danger or assessing a person's trustworthiness. While powerful, it can be influenced by biases such as negative past experiences. So definitely, I agree, like I think that intuition isn't something that's like happening all day long, all the time, although it could be, I guess. But for the most of us, we're really like relying on it and like paying attention to it in times of need, when we have to make a quick decision, and that's almost like you get a little more clarity, right, like the mind chatter does stop, so you can actually hear what's important. So we have some examples. So if a soldier or police officer is sensing danger in a seemingly safe environment, though that could be like, where your intuition is like, ooh. Like, why do I feel weird in this place? It's so perfectly wonderful interpersonal feeling an immediate sense of unease or trust regarding a new person, right? You go to a family event, someone brings a friend, and you're like, I do not like this person. I will say, okay, I remember in high school, I always watched Good Morning America. My mom would always find The Today Show, and I was like that, Matt Lauer guy is weird. There's just something about that. Matt Lauer guy I do not like, and she's like, Lesley, you don't even know him. He is a reporter, and I am not. I could not stand the sound of his voice. So then, when I read Ronan Farrow's book, I was like, fucking knew it. I knew it. I knew it, right? Like it's so, so I will say sometimes it's like, it feels illogical to other people, but you might have an immediate sense of unease or trust regarding a new person. And then skill-based, an expert making a split correct decision in a fast paced game or in a professional setting based on deep experiences. You've seen this in the movies, right? You've even done this, right? So this is, as a Pilates instructor, something I try to teach other Pilates instructors is, like, it takes time for your gut to be like, they need this exercise over here, but it doesn't come if you're talking all the time, right? If you constantly are counting for clients, and you're constantly talking the whole time, you can't actually be present enough to see if, like, what's going on, and then you can't hear the intuition saying, I think they should go to this exercise over here. I'll never forget the time that I was watching Jay Grimes teach, and I said, oh, why did you give him that exercise? He was like, I don't know. My gut just said he needed it, right? Like, that's the that's a skill-based one. That's the one I pride myself in having. Lesley Logan 16:00  Okay, so now let's actually talk about why trusting your intuition can be difficult, like why it might be hard to hear when your intuition is talking to you. So trusting your intuition is difficult because it's easily confused with fear, anxiety or past trauma, rather than a purely rational guide. It is built on learned experience and subconscious pattern recognition. Meaning it can be biased or inaccurate new situations. Additionally, high stress, societal pressure, and logical over analytical thinking often drown out inner quiet knowing. So I'll just say, like, I think sometimes we can't hear it because we don't want to, because we know the answer is probably something that's we're doing that's different, you know, like that past person I was with who didn't really read the book. I remember being on the 101 freeway, and I remember thinking, gosh, I wish he would just break up with me. Right? My thought wasn't like, oh, I should break up with him. It would say, would you just break up with me? And then I was like, oh, my god, and I'd have to move and I have to do these things. And like, he's not a bad guy, and, like, on paper, he wasn't. So like, it's really interesting how we can, like, have intuitive thoughts and then, like, because they don't make sense in logic, we kind of, like talk ourselves out of it. Also say, I remember having, I remember this distinct moment where my brain was like, you should just make a left here. And I was like, why would I make a left here, and instead I made a left, where I always make a left, and I was in a head on collision. So, you know, I don't know why I thought that, but I, like, literally, wasn't listening at that time in my life. And so I think it can be, depending on what's going on in your life, it can be hard to listen to those things, or you might not. You might have a series of time of just actually not trusting yourself and the decisions you made. And so then you when your inner intuition is telling you something you haven't you don't have trust there, right? And so I feel that I see that. Lesley Logan 17:46  So here are some other main reasons why it's hard to trust your intuition, confusion with fear and trauma, what feels like a gut feeling is often an emotional reaction based on past trauma, fear or anxiety causing you to overreact. Anxiety often masquerades as intuition, especially when facing new or challenging but harmless situation. So again, I do think if you know that certain things cause you some anxiety or fear, it is absolutely worth go and exploring that with someone who with a professional because what I don't want you to do, and what you take from this episode is that, oh, when I have fear anxiety, it's like, not real, and I should just listen to my intuition that is like, that's not what I want. I actually want you to get some clear, urgent support, so that you can recognize the difference between anxiety and intuition, right? Context dependency. Intuition relies on learned patterns of the past. If you're in a new or unfamiliar situation, your gut may not have the necessary experience to provide accurate guidance, making it unreliable in, for example, on modern, complex scenarios compared to simple, repetitive ones. So like, I think this is where you can if you are in a new situation, a new job, a new totally different thing, maybe, like, you're supposed to fly into JFK, and you end up flying into some other place, and now you're like, it's gonna be really difficult to hear your gut, because your your your intuition, because your brain doesn't have a file for that place, and so it's, it's almost like a lot of noise, right? So then I would just say, like, don't judge yourself for not being able to hear yourself. Your brain is trying to take in the information it needs before it can even pipe in with some intuition. Logical over analysis. The logical sensor in our brain often dominates decision making, dismissing subtle nonverbal or non logical cues. So if you read The Gift of Fear, he talks about how like he was in a restaurant and it smelled like the smell, smelled like Italian. And he was like, oh, Italian. And he's looking at like the name of the restaurant, and it's Italian. But the pictures everywhere are not Italian restaurant pictures. They're they're quite very they're quite different, right? And so his, he knew he like lot, like his intuition, like, Oh my god, look at this. It's onna be a great Italian meal. But then the logic around him was showing that it wasn't Italian. So he's like, oh maybe it's not Italian, so maybe it's it's whatever he thought it was, and I should order this x, y or z, then the menu came as it was fucking Italian, right? So it's really easy for us to talk ourselves out of what we're actually hearing by using logic. And logic can, logic is there for a reason. I'm not bad mouthing it, but sometimes it can lead you astray, and because your gut had is actually picking up on the subtler things that are, that are actually what's going on. Mental noise and stress. High levels of stress, depression or being a state of shock, can distort or block intuitive signals. So you're stressed out right now, my love like, that's why you're not hearing it right. You're not hearing your intuition because you're in a high stress space. So it's not like a meditation a day is going to solve that problem. You might have to do and make other changes, but be kind to yourself. It's gonna be harder to hear. Got a lot going on. Prior failures, past mistakes can make you lose confidence in your own judgment. And I think this is where we have to be really kind to ourselves, because I always believe we fail forward. I really do believe that like making like if you think you made, in air quotes, a bad decision based on something you thought your intuition, and it led you to door number three. Well, my thing is that, you know, if you didn't die, then door number three is not a bad door it's an experience you need to have. Your brain would actually have more information to make better decisions in the future. And so actually, maybe you're supposed to go through door number three, and your intuition was spot on, right? Like, I will absolutely say, like I would not be here talking to you today had I not gone and taken that first Pilates class when my logic noise was saying, do not do that, right? I would not be here today if I had relied on my past failures. Of like, the first time we did Agency, nobody bought it. But now Agency is, like, eight years old and has helped 1000s of businesses. So I would just say like you're gonna fail in life. It doesn't mean you can't trust yourself. It means you had to learn something so that you can have even greater information and success in the future. But just be kind to yourself. Social pressure, the desire to conform to social norms, where fear of judgment can override your internal signals. I think this is really huge. I will tell you right now, my gut was spot on with all my exes, every single one, but especially my last one. I remember my gut was like, this is I think we should let this one go. And people at my job were like, oh my god, he sent flowers. Oh my god, he picked you up for a date. Oh my god, he did these things. And so then I stopped listening to my gut ended up in a five fucking year long relationship. Right when I can tell you right now, within 48 hours, my gut was like, should move on from this. You know. Anyways, that happens, though, because societal pressure and norms can, like, really change your decisions on, on what you're doing, and make you not listen to yourself. Self-sabotage, sometimes self sabotaging behavior disguise itself is the gut feeling to keep you in a comfortable, familiar, but limiting state. So what I will say is, I have many people saying, oh, gosh, I had this obstacle, which means I'm probably not supposed to be doing the thing that I'm doing. And I would say, like, actually, is that it's saying, or is it saying, like, hey, how bad do you want this? Are you going to work a little harder for it? Right? You know what I mean? Like, I think, like, first of all, I think too many people think that things are going to come like, easy for you, just because you have this great idea that it's just going to be easy to do. Nothing is easy to do. We're working on two major projects right now that scare the fuck out of me, if I'm completely honest. And every time I think maybe we shouldn't do it, my gut's like, oh, you're doing it like you you're supposed to do it. Like, talk about, like, that gut instinct where, like, there's that emotional and physical feeling we talked about earlier in the episode. Like, every time I think I'm not going to do it, I actually feel uneasy. And when I think, like, well, I am going to do it. It's like, yeah, because that makes the most sense. So I would just say that, like, it's easy to self-sabotage and stop yourself and call it intuition, because you're feeling an obstacle, but that's not necessarily what's happening. And how do you know if it's self-sabotage or actually a gut intuition? I think you'll have to actually just look back at your past behaviors. Are you doing something you've done in the past? Oh, something's getting really hard, and so you're talking yourself out of it, right? Maybe you have to ask yourself, like, what is the cost of not doing this? Like, you might have to just take a little bit more time and do some journaling, or give yourself a little bit more time. Let me just hang on a little longer. I can always stop this in the future, but let's just, like, take a little bit longer, get a little bit more information. Now that said, sometimes people are so afraid of self-sabotage that they talk themselves into being in jobs longer and relationships longer and other things longer. So I just say like, you know you the best. This is where you have to get honest with yourself, right? So it's because I don't want you to be like, -h, I'm I don't want to self-sabotage if I stick out this thing and I and Lesley said, so no, I just want you to just pay attention to your own patterns and what is going on. Here's the thing, hearing your intuition is difficult because it is a quiet, subtle inner voice that is easily drowned out by loud, racing thoughts, fear and societal demands for logic. It is often hard to distinguish from anxiety or past traumas, which present as urgent, emotional and reactive, rather than calm and steady, like if you are someone who is like feeling the effects of cortisol has had past trauma, has a lot going on in your mind. You're it's you're there's too much uncertainty in your life. I just want you to know if you're having a hard time hearing what to do next, it's, it's because you got, there's a lot going on and there's a lot going on right now. Oh my god. Like logic and society would say, let's not start anything new right now, right? But I will also say that, like, some of the craziest things I did at times were the so uncertain I am, like, sitting in this beautiful house, that people are like, you're crazy to buy a house when, like, you're not even sure what Covid is going to do with your business right now. Now, I also don't want people to go into debt, because it's, my gut says so, like, we have to really make sure that we're, we're making decisions from the right place and sitting with those things. And as you build that up, you might need to take some time and make sure that, like, it's the same answer. You know, you like, start, like, shake a magic eight ball, and you get an answer. You're like, I don't like this answer, and shake it again to get another answer. This is, like, I would say it's the opposite. It's like, maybe, if you're working on trusting your intuition and not self-sabotage or talking yourself out of things or using society's pressures to stick with whatever you're supposed to do, maybe you're looking for the eight ball to say the same thing three days in a row, right? All right. Lesley Logan 26:22  So just a couple, just to go on to that, because I know, I know you my listener. I know you need more information. So here is more information on why it's hard to hear your intuition. So overthinking and noise, overthinking, chronic overthinking. Hello, my chronic overthinkers. I see you. Stress and anxiety create mental noise that drowns out the quiet, subtle whispers of intuition. So if that's you, might want to be taking some time, maybe the habits to try to figure out, like, what do I do with my overthinking thoughts? I am an over thinker at night. Holy frickin moly, it is insanity. So guess what? MoonBrew, extra magnesium, a little extra support from my hormone specialist, and I can overthink in the morning, and then I'm like this. It's too beautiful to overthink right now, right fear, miss it misidentified as intuition. So true intuition feels calm, while fear-based thoughts are loud, urgent and emotional. We often confuse fear or past trauma, for example, needing to protect yourself for intuition. So I think I love that they brought this up, because it's like, how do you know? And as I've just mentioned a few times, it's one thing I'm thinking of doing every time I think about not doing it, it doesn't feel easy. Every time I think about doing it, this is gonna be the hardest thing I've ever done. But there's a calmness, like a confidence to my body that I feel, right? Over reliance on logic, so society priorities is data, facts and rational thinking, leading us to dismiss gut feelings that lack immediate logical explanation. So just notice, like, look, I do believe in data over dogma, but just kind of notice when you're letting other people's need for data determine what you how you make your decisions, that's their need, not yours. Lack of inner calm, intuition requires a grounded, present state. You're overwhelmed, ungrounded, or disconnected from your body, you cannot hear the physical sensations that often accompany intuitive nudges right. So like, I will just say, if you are not in an inner calm state, you should not be making any decisions. One, you're not gonna hear your intuition. But two, like, we all make poor decisions. Date terrible people pick big fights when we're not in inner calm state. So you might want to figure out things that help you with that. Lack of trust and self-doubt, low self-confidence or history of dismissing your own feelings can make it difficult to trust your inner voice when it does speak. I feel that I get you. I've been there. Lesley Logan 28:27  So my love. I hope this gave you some like kind of thought and some insight about, like, intuition versus inner chatter, versus why it's hard. I hope you know like it's totally normal to feel like you have lost your inner voice, or that you don't have that trust there. I think that there's just so much going on, and I don't know that our intuition can really, like, compete with, like, the scroll, the instant scroll, of so many things that are going on and and, you know, the time I'm recording this, like, you know, the President is, like, threatening to be at war. But also, you know, that's a distraction for the files. And then there's this happening over here, and then the hockey team just bringing up what every single female, like, always feels is happening all of the time. And you're just like, oh my god, and I have to go to work, and I have to fill this thing out, and I have to figure out how I'm gonna make this big decision. And so I just want you to know, like, there is a lot going on, so it can be hard. And I would highly encourage you to figure out, maybe brainstorm, go back to the habits episode and brainstorm all the different things that you could do to try to just like, get a habit or a thing that you could do to help you calm your nervous system so that then you can make decisions from a better place, and just remember that taking all that information is helping you with your intuition. Your intuition relies on information that you have filed away. Hard to have intuition on something you've never done or experienced or know, right? So I think you're amazing. I really hope that you are into this series. So Thursday, I'll give you the tools for listening and hearing it better, and then next week, we're going to have a really great guest who used her inner knowing and inner guidance to help heal herself. So I think that there's there's so much that our intuition and our inner guidance can do if we're listening. And so I hope this gets you started. Lesley Logan 30:18  If you have a topic that you want me to discuss, or if you have something related to this that you want to share with us, you can send it to the beitpod.com/questions. Ask a question. You can share a win about it, or you can you can just tell us, I'd love to hear how this is helping you and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 30:32  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 31:14  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 31:19  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 31:24  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 31:31  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 31:34  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this FYF episode, Lesley Logan delivers a list of ready-made responses for the moments when family, friends, or strangers say something offensive, intrusive, or just plain uncomfortable. She also celebrates a community win from a new Mat Pilates teacher trainee, and shares her own win about protecting her Intellectual Property after discovering AI-generated theft of her images. With a grounded mantra to close, this episode is a reminder that setting boundaries is an act of self-respect. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How to respond when someone says something offensive in real time.Lines to use when family pushes politics you don't want to discuss.What to say when comments about your body won't stop.Boundary scripts for unwanted dating, family, or finance questions.How Lesley handled AI-generated theft of her images and brand.Episode References/Links:the Skimm' (@theskimm) - https://beitpod.com/theskimmSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hello, Be It babe. Welcome to your mid month of May. FYF, it's our third of five Fridays. So we have a lot of May, May celebrations, which means that you have five chances of May to find something to celebrate, something to send in, something to remind yourself you're doing a great job. You are and you're on your way to being it till you see it and you're doing yourself a great job. So this thing that inspired me that I'm sharing with you, okay, here's the deal. It is quite possible that I shared it last fall, and if I didn't, I fucked up, and I'm sharing it with you now, because it does say how to set boundaries of family this Thanksgiving, if they say something offensive, but honestly, like because this world continues to be in a shit hole, and people around me that I like thought agreed with me on a lot of things, sometimes say things and I'm like, whoa, that's fucking offensive. I thought maybe we need a reshare. So if you need a reminder of this, here's what it is. So if someone says something offensive, doesn't have to be Thanksgiving, it can just be around you. What an odd thing to say out loud. I feel uncomfortable with the statement you just made. I don't get it. Can you explain that one? Wow. I'm not sure how to respond. That was an unkind thing to say. That's an inside thought. And so I like those. I think these are great, like, it's like, you, at least, can respond, and it maybe makes them think, if it doesn't. So if it's politics you want to avoid, then you can say, this isn't a conversation I like to have right now. Or you can say, I have a lot of thoughts in the state of the country, but I'd rather share them another time. You can also say I won't be engaged in talk about politics if we can't stick to other topics, I'll take a break from the table. That one's a little more confrontational. I'm not willing to be badgered right now, so I'm going to walk away and do all of those things. Remember, we are the five, we are like the people we hang out with. If comments about food or your body won't stop. So this is important because I really do believe that like stop commenting on women's bodies. We just fucking need to. It makes me feel uncomfortable when you talk about my body. So I'm going to end this here. I'm really trying to have a better relationship with myself this year, I'm going to ask that you not comment on my looks. I'm listening to my body and what it craves right now, let's focus on something else, rather than my plate. I thought we were past talking about people's weight in 2025. So I think that that's, you know I know that can sound like, oh my god, I'm gonna make them uncomfortable. Yeah, they're making you feel uncomfortable. We have to get good at making people who make us feel uncomfortable feel uncomfortable too. If your relationship status family planning is the unwanted subject, honestly, I would love to chat with you about blank rather than my dating life. I like to keep that private right now, I might not be engaged, but I have blank going on that I'm happy to talk about, instead. Kids aren't in my equation right now, I'd rather work on expanding my family when I'm ready. So those are all and I think you can like, you can change those to like fit your situation. But I do think like giving them something else to bring up is also fine, but like letting people know I want to talk about that, it's all, boundaries are kind, and if they're commenting on your finances, well fuck them. But you can say, if you're trying to help, I could use some advice on blank otherwise I'm good. So give them a thing that you want to talk about. Rather than getting all this unsolicited advice. I'm doing my best in a stressful economy. I'm managing my finances well and making progress towards my goals. That's all you need to know. And then if the question just fills what's the last one? If the question feels personal, a little too personal, this isn't something I want to talk about right now. That's a sensitive topic for me, let's talk about something else. Actually, I've been wanting to ask you about blank how's that going? So that one, you know that one might be a little spicy, but I hope these help. Feel free to look at the transcripts of this podcast, copy and paste it, put in your notes, easy to text to people who ask uncomfortable things or say, I'm you know. You just pull it up like, you know, you'll get better at it. But it's important, we have to have these things at the ready, because sometimes we're like, oh my god, I don't know what to say and they just, like, said something awful. Lesley Logan 4:49  Now for the wins. I, you know Be It babe, I got your back on these things. The win that I'm gonna share today is from CAGoodfellow, hi, Lesley. I've now started my class, Go Mat Pilates Teacher Training Course. I know this person, and this is a huge deal. So happy for you. I'm so happy for you. Give me a post on how it's going. Lesley Logan 5:10  All right, my win, and then I'll get you a mantra and get you on your way. So I found out that someone used AI to steal my images and write a shitty book. And I was like, oh my god, this is, like, so annoying. It's gonna take so long. And the team went to action, and Amazon took the book down in like, no time at all. We put it up there, proved that it was ours, our images, and they took it down. And when telling people about this shitty thing, I found out that other people were using my images, which like, you think, oh my god, that's gonna be so terrible. Yeah, it sucks. It feels violating in weird ways. I mean, like, it feels weird to even use that word violating, because it's like, is it? But like, it it is. And people are like, oh, don't let this take up your amazing energy. Here's the deal. You have to protect your IP so it does have to take some energy. But I'm really proud of how I've been able to trust the team to find a new system and to put in place to to take care of this situation, and it not keep me up at night, but we are taking action, legal actions, where, where we can. But I didn't let it like derail the goals I had that week. I was like, okay, this is happening. What can we do? What are our steps? What's our first step of action and and then work on from that, I it's just really, it's really nice not to like, end up in a puddle of like, woe is me. Now I've got to do this, too. And in asking for help, I got to see how many of you are like, here to support the work that we're doing, and you understand what that means. And because of you, we're finding out the images that are being used that are like in hidden places a little harder, and I'm so grateful. So if you see images of me, they're not on my flash cards and they're not my posters, most likely I did not give them permission to use them, so just send it, and if I did, I'll let you know. Lesley Logan 6:56  All right, your mantra is, each part of me is worthy of love, each part of me is worthy of love. Each part of you is worthy of love, Be It babe. Thanks so much for being here. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 7:13  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 7:55  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 8:00  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 8:05  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 8:12  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 8:15  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell sit down to unpack their favorite moments from Dr. Corey Winn, doctor of physical therapy turned women's business coach who pointed out the things keeping high-achieving women stuck. In this recap, they get honest about the patterns that quietly hold smart, capable women back, and what it actually takes to break them. If you've been doing all the right things and it still doesn't feel like enough, this one's for you.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why high-achieving women struggle to feel worthy of their own success.How "I don't have time" is often hiding your real obstacle.Why you must actively curate who's in your inner circle.How to build a schedule that doesn't burn you out.How to use your calendar to protect at least one daily joy.Episode References/Links:Nevada SPCA – https://nevadaspca.orgeLevate Mentorship Program – https://lesleylogan.co/elevateOPC Spring Training – https://opc.me/eventsOPC Summer Tour Waitlist – https://opc.me/tourDr. Corey Winn's Website – https://www.coreywinn.comThe Carl Edward Foundation - https://www.thecarledwardfoundation.orgEp. 5 ft. Amy Ledin - https://beitpod.com/ep5Ep. 185 with Dai Manuel - https://beitpod.com/ep185Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  To be honest, if you're waiting for someone else to say you're worthy, that's the problem. Like, I think everybody's waiting for outside indicators that they are worthy. You actually are born worthy. The fact that you're here is why you're worthy. Like every single person on this planet was born to make an impact on this planet, so you were already worthy. Lesley Logan 0:18  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:57  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the purpose-driven convo I had with Dr Corey Winn in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to it. It's in the lineup, or we'll give you a bunch of spoilers, which will make you go, oh, I need to go. It's like the Cliff Notes. What's that book? What's that app that like, read the books in 15 minutes, and then you could go read them if you wanted. they don't sponsor the show, but it's like that. Brad Crowell 1:22  Yeah, I can't remember what that's called. Lesley Logan 1:28  What people get what I'm saying. It's okay. We don't need to sponsor it. Okay. So today, if you were with us two weeks ago, you've like, now you probably know I am reading this blind. I have no idea. Haha god, I just thought Brad had us do FAFO in sign language, and he just did it. So if you're watching on YouTube, and you know sign language, let us know how you did. So I read these blind. So here we go. Today is May 14th 2026 and it's Bond With Your Dog Day. You know, I actually think this is Bayon's anniversary. They said he was three months old, and so we went back three months and that's February, the 14th, and we're like, great, you're a Valentine's Day baby, like. Brad Crowell 2:14  You might be right. You might be right.Lesley Logan 2:15  Happy 10 years with us Bayon. Okay, so on this day, pet parents and their beloved dogs spend some extra quality time together. Every dog owner can vouch for how affectionate and loyal their dogs are, in almost every case, they are right. However, on Bond With Your Dog Day, it's time to show your beloved friend how much you love and care for them. The day is celebrated with a host of activities and find new ways to connect with your dogs. Happy Bond With Your Dog Day to you and your dogs, and if you don't have one go to a shelter and read to one, spend some time with one. Learn, if you're in Vegas, it's too late to get the dog walking privileges at SPCA until the fall. But like, go do it. I am obsessed with walking dogs at the SPCA. It is so hard for me. It's so hard for me to leave them. I like, have a really hard time. I literally can do three and I have to go because then I start to get really, I'm like, I have to walk all of them if I do anymore. But it really, it, it will bring so much joy to your life. They have so much unconditional love. Some of them are so scared, and they just, they just take some warming up too. And some of them are like, get me out of here. I don't you are amazing. I'm with you.Lesley Logan 3:01  Well, who do we want to feature today? Because I think we should do this. How about Miss Coco? Lesley Logan 3:19  Well, hopefully Miss Coco is not at the SPCA in May 17th babe, because she is there right now. So we can't feature any of them, or Sadie. Love Sadie. Brad Crowell 3:29  We're gonna feature her anyway. Lesley Logan 3:30  Well, yeah, we'll feature them and hope they better be adopted, guys, don't let me I, here's a problem. We are recording this before I go to Europe the day before, and I told Brad, when we come back, if those two girls are still at the shelter, we have to figure out if we can foster them together. I don't know what we're gonna do. We have a retreat coming here. We have eLevate coming here, but like, we gotta get those girls out of out of there.Brad Crowell 3:51  So I'm gonna read her profile. So Miss Coco is a Terrier. She's an American Stafford Terrier, Bulldog. She's an American Bully, and she is like, shorty a little bit squat, and she's so cute.Lesley Logan 4:03  She she's more squat than August was. Brad Crowell 4:05  Yeah, she's almost five years old. She's about 65 pounds, and she is female. She. Hi, I'm Miss Coco. I'm known for my friendly and sweet nature. I love spending time with people, and I'm always ready for a cuddle or playtime. I do need some special care for my skin and allergies, but I promise I'm worth it. I'm looking for a forever home where I can share all my love and joy. I have past experience with other dogs and older kids. Adopting me means gaining a loyal friend who will always be there to brighten your day. Let's make wonderful memories together. And you've walked her.  Lesley Logan 4:29  I mean this girl, I've walked her twice. Walk is a strong word. We went outside, we smelled the roses, and we sat down, and she just got in my lap at all, all those pounds of her, and just wanted me to pet her like she just wants to lay on your couch. So if you're someone who, like, needs a little bit routine in your life, but doesn't really want to commit to, like, long dog walks, like I do, she doesn't want them. She just wants to be on your couch with you. Just wants to be held. And by the way, her skin stuff, I walked her, she's got, like, dried, like, dandruff. Like, it was not a big deal.Brad Crowell 5:04  So like, and I bet, like, with the right, you know, food types.Lesley Logan 5:08  They have her on a special food thing. So I didn't even notice it the second week, a week later. So, like, I think she's great. I also, like, don't be afraid of those older dog. And even if she's not there. Brad Crowell 5:16  She's not very far yet. Lesley Logan 5:17  Look at between four and six, like, a lot of times. Like, she so she's what's called the potty dog. Means she will not pee in her kennel. Will not she will hold it from the time they walk her at the last night for the next morning, that is like, 12 hours, like, so maybe it's a little less than that, but still, like. Brad Crowell 5:39  Well, they close at six and open at six. Lesley Logan 5:39  Yeah, I get yeah. So anyways, yeah. So definitely take a look at her. But I just mean, like, from dogs four to five, there's, like, something special about them. They are out of the puppy stage. They're still very trainable. They still have a lot of life in them. So now, Sadie, can we read Sadie? Brad Crowell 5:50  Only one at a time. We're doing one at a time.Lesley Logan 5:52  Ah, okay. Are we adding this to every show? Brad Crowell 5:54  We might, maybe we will. You tell us if you want us to feature a dog, but. Lesley Logan 5:58  So here's the thing I wonder, like, but if they're not there, will people go and get a different one? Brad Crowell 6:03  Well, here's the reality. We are obviously in Nevada. We're in Las Vegas specifically, and we're specifically talking about dogs that are at the Nevada SPCA. So if that is not applicable to you, which I imagine that's the majority of you, then just look up an SPCA near you.Lesley Logan 6:17  Yeah, they don't take government like the local ones do not take any government funding. They're always locally funded. They're no kill, and they're pristine. How they take care of these dogs, our SPCA has chinchillas, they have a family of chinchillas, there's bunnies. Brad Crowell 6:31  There's like all the things. Lesley Logan 6:33  But you can't. If you can't, if you tell me, I can't have a pet, then guess what you get to be, a volunteer, where you go, and you can literally just sit with you can pick up a pet and just hold it. They have rooms where you can, just, like, play with these animals. And guess what? You can just do it on Fridays. You could do it on Tuesdays, like, you get all the pet love you need. And like, not.Brad Crowell 6:54  Unless he's been walking the dogs in the morning. Once a week, thrice a week, sometimes.Lesley Logan 6:58  I would love to go more, but to be honest, it is, I mean, I work from home, so it is never on the way to anything, but I it means the world to me. And we, if you're an OPC member or you purchase anything at OPC, a percentage of all of our profits goes to our local SPCA. And I used to, we used to try to do international charities. I'm gonna be honest, the money doesn't actually do anything. So we went local, and it's really fun to see how the money makes it go. So here's the other thing, if you have a dog, I can't imagine you don't already bond with your dog, but if you need an excuse to call out sick today, today, here it is, oh, it's I gotta bond with my dog day.Brad Crowell 7:34  All right. Well, here's what's coming up for us. We are quickly filling Lesley's eLevate mentorship program for 2027 at this point, there might only be a few spots left. So if you're interested in what that even is, it's a nine-month Pilates mentorship with Lesley. Go to lesleylogan.co/elevate.Lesley Logan 7:52  Yeah, we actually, just like we came home, did a retreat with our eLevate grads, did the Cadillac weekend for eLevate. So it's been an eLevate season, and it's so fun. And we're currently in the week of spring training. Brad Crowell 7:56  Yeah, it's happening literally right now. Lesley Logan 8:01  And you can still join because the limited replays last for a whole week, so like, there's still time. So go to opc.me/events, because it's great. It's fun. It's fun to be in a community. It's fun to learn one theme when it comes to Pilates. It's fun to see what, what connections you can get. You always have an aha moment with OPC, so you should do it.Brad Crowell 8:23  Yeah. And we're about to announce the summer tour, so get yourself on the waitlist so you can get those tickets. Go to opc.me/tour, opc.me/tour, and we'll be going in August this year. We're going to be going straight across the middle of the country and then looping back through North Texas and then down into a little bit, down into Arizona. Yeah. Anyway, go, go check those out. Come join us. If the tickets aren't announced just yet, they're going to be announced any day now.Lesley Logan 8:48  Just so you know, the spots we're going in August, we're not going in December. That's how it works. Brad Crowell 8:54  Yeah, we're intentionally trying to find new cities along the way, so we'll be in like, places like Knoxville. We never been there before, so I'm excited. Brad Crowell 9:02  Anyway, we had a question this week, and anonymous is asking, I know that you do strength training, Pilates and sometimes yoga. I also do these three modalities, and I also run, but it becomes a lot. I'm trying to find the balance between all of those movement modalities throughout the week, I'm curious if you've got a schedule that works personally for you.Lesley Logan 9:23  So here's the actual schedule. So Sunday mornings, I weight train and do a little Pilates. Mondays, I do some personal Pilates in the morning, but we work out at night. We do weight train at night. Tuesdays, is Pilates, some yoga and some zone two, but they're all separate. I do morning Pilates and yoga, and then zone two in the afternoon. Wednesdays, it's just weight training at night. Thursdays is like Tuesdays, except for it's weight train instead of running. And Fridays is weight training and a little Pilates, like what my body still needs after a whole week. Saturday, I do nothing. I have a whole day of rest. I like Saturday. Sometimes I do a little most of the time, I do a little sauna blanket time. It sounds like a lot. I don't have children so.Brad Crowell 10:13  But effectively, you know, you're doing some intentional movement six days a week. Lesley Logan 10:17  But also, and you should. And the other thing is, is like the way I do Pilates and yoga is not these high intensity cortisol, chaotic things.Brad Crowell 10:26  You're not going to a hot yoga room and sweating yourself to death and all the things. Lesley Logan 10:30  No, sometimes my whoop band doesn't even think I did anything when it comes to yoga, unless I did some like handstand hiccups and my Pilates, it catches it, for sure. But like when I do Pilates Tuesdays and Thursdays, it's a full hour. The rest of the time when I do Pilates, I start with, I just tell myself 15 minutes, and if I have time to if I get more curiosity, I'll do 30. But it's rarely more than 30, so it's so I'm not doing like, three hours of workouts every day. We're talking between 90 minutes and two hours between all of the things I just said each day, and they're spaced out so that I can feel myself, so I can have some energy, so that I can sleep at night, because I'm 43 and sleep is hard for me. So all that, but it, I will also say another caveat to all this is, the only thing that I am creating for myself, workout wise, is the Pilates. Like, that's the only and I use an order because I'm a classical teacher, so like my mat and Reformer, they have an order. And then the rest of the stuff is like, oh, what does my body need? What connections do I need? I am not coming up with my weight training schedule. I am not coming up with my yoga thing. I I do invest in those things. I have a trainer who I can talk to and like, thank God for her, because there's days I don't want to do it, and because I paid for it, I go do it. So I will just say it is a lot. I don't think everyone should do what I do.Brad Crowell 11:45  Let's go back to the actual question. You know, have you found a schedule that works for you personally? Lesley Logan 11:50  Well, yeah, I just yeah, I have, but I was just saying, like, I, I think one of the things you have to do is, first of all, at least one or two cannot be designed by you, like somebody else with that expertise should be doing it. I also don't go to a yoga studio for my yoga. I don't go to a Pilates studio for my Pilates like that, I think also affects the ability for it to be easy. As an ADHD person like I have to drive there, park my car and go do it. Sometimes that's too much. So for me, I do have luxury of doing my yoga is in real time. It's just on Zoom. So I love that. I put I make sure it's in gallery view so I can see everyone. I feel like I'm part of the thing, but I don't have to go anywhere like between class. And my next thing is, I fold my mat up and I move on to the next thing. So I think what I would suggest for this person, anyone else, it's like, what are the things you could do, either at home or at your job. How can you make it so you're not losing time going to things all the time? That's where OPC really helps out. Like, maybe you go to a studio once a week for equipment, but you do mat two or three times at home. Like, how can you make it so or you are at the gym doing your weight training, then you do your mat at the end, right? Because that's a 30-minute or less workout. It's really great. At the end, after weight training, it will, like, open everything up. And if you hate just laying there stretching, it's not that Pilates is stretching, but you get what I mean, like, it's a really good counter balance to it. So my suggestion to you is, like, one, it doesn't have the all or nothing. Two, get experts to design things for you that you're not an expert in. And then three, how can you shave the travel time off on some of these things? Because I don't think that everything has to be an hour all the time, but that's how businesses pay people, and they pay them by the hour. So that's why your sessions are 50 minutes. And that doesn't mean it's necessarily but you need all of those minutes.Brad Crowell 13:37  That's true. Great, great question. Thanks. If you have a question, feel free to reach out on any way you want, but we prefer, beitpod.com/questions where you can leave us both a win or a question. You can also text us 310-905-5534. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to start chatting about Dr Corey Winn. Brad Crowell 13:55  All right. Dr Winn is a doctor of physical therapy and with 15 years of experience specializing in wheelchair seating and mobility, drawing from her uncle's experience with spinal cord injury, she founded the Carl Edward Foundation, which is a nonprofit serving people with spinal cord injuries and progressive neurological diseases. In addition to her clinical and nonprofit roles, she runs a women's coaching and consulting practice supporting women as they build their businesses and creating lasting legacies as entrepreneurs, her coaching focuses on helping high achieving women move beyond questioning their value, so they can stop settling for less than what they actually want.Lesley Logan 14:36  So I mean, Corey is a great listen, you guys, because she she's had non-linear like job changes that have put her where she is right now. And I think what we all need to hear is that that's kind of how life goes. We were talking about her like switching from the this full time job that she went to school for for so long and spent so much money to switching to health coaching, which is that led her into actually the coaching that she does today. And she was talking about how, like, if the clients did not feel worthy of taking care of themselves, it didn't matter what plan she gave them, like it did. Like these are already highest achieving, amazing women who know how to do follow a plan, they know how to check boxes, they know how to do, to follow directions, and they couldn't because they just didn't feel worthy of it. And I think that's really eye-opening thing for us to think about, because if you do have like the trainers, or you do have the coaches, or you have invested in the in the guides, but you're not doing the thing it, it may be worth just reviewing. If you feel like you're worthy of the thing that comes from that, you might not be feeling that way yet. So I thought that was really cool what we talked about, because we, I do think a lot of high-achieving women often wonder, like she said, who am I to do that? And it stops their progress. And so we, true success and whatever you want to do requires a mindset shift, where women embody the thoughts and desires and beliefs of who you want to become, right? Like I thought that was a really powerful thing to think about.Brad Crowell 16:02  Yeah. Well, you were also talking about, how did she effectively leave her job right, and then, like, being a doctor and being focused on, like, her specialty, with working with people in wheelchairs, how does she then coach people right? And that's where she was talking about this, you know, mindset, the the second guessing yourself. Right? So she, she was talking about that worthiness, and how do you know? How do you know that you're like, how do we get to the point where we feel worthy? Well, I'm asking you, How do we get to the point where we feel worthy? Lesley Logan 16:38  To be honest, if you're waiting for someone else to say you're worthy. That's the problem. Like, I think everybody's waiting for outside indicators that they are worthy. You actually are born worthy. The fact that you're here is why you're worthy. Like every single person on this planet was born to make an impact on this planet, so you're already worthy. In fact, the problem is a bunch of fucking assholes out in the world who have shown through example that they are unworthy are the ones going out there with so much confidence in a mic that we go, go, oh my god, well, I'm not them, so I'm, no, you're born worthy.Brad Crowell 17:11  You're or they're judging from the sidelines and making people feel not worthy. You know, I think you're right, and also, too, it's funny because you two are mentioning it, you know, the more we're in the room, like coaching with other people and seeing, you know, big businesses, and realizing, oh, they're struggling with similar things that we're struggling with, just on a different scale, or maybe they're in a different point in the journey. But like, we might have this presentation that we have it all together, but we're all still figuring shit out, too, you know.Lesley Logan 17:40  I'll be honest. The who am I to do that is definitely something I resonate with. And then the few times, this many times we've been in rooms with other businesses who, like, flaunt these amazing numbers. Like, oh, our own launch was this many figures. And then you start to realize that the profit after what they spent to get that money is, like, so ridiculous. You're like, so you're making.Lesley Logan 18:01  They spend $1,000 on ads.Lesley Logan 18:02  So, like, I spent only 500 and I, like, made 30, and I'm but you're like, I made six 100,000 but you spent 90, like, I made more money than you. Why am so I remember always thinking, like, having imposters in those rooms. And then after a few of those times here, and I was like, I fucking a better business person than these people. These people just throw money at problems to feel like, to be able to have numbers, they can say at the end to say that they're worthy. But I'm worthy because I'm actually making the impact on a very small budget. And so I think it but that came from me. I had to observe and then like, integrate and like, and almost get a little angry and do that. I think that too many people are waiting for someone to come and deem them ready to be successful, and now you've you've now made it. You've been knighted worthy. No, I think if more, especially women who listen this podcast and the few good men, if more people actually thought they were worthy, we would not be in the muck we are in because too many people who are not worthy are just walking around with confidence.Brad Crowell 18:49  Well, I really loved when she was talking about time being an excuse. And this is this was tough. This one hit home for me, because we have this intention that we like to, you know, that we are going to do something, and then we don't make time for it. And the two of you were talking about the if you want a shopping spree to your favorite store, you would make time for it. You would totally figure it out and make time for it. So when we put it in that kind of context, do we, are we actually making time for the things that we say that we want, or are we making time for the things that we want? Right? So like there's and there's two different things there.Lesley Logan 19:40  Yeah. Well, here's the thing. I'll just give an example, and I, I've been struggling with way to post this on Instagram because I don't want it to come off arrogant. But you guys know me well, so we're gonna talk about it. So in the last two weeks of recording this podcast, so not now. Everything is fine today, but in the last two weeks, we found out multiple different people were using my image and the team had to do extra work to deal with that. Then we had our websites down for five days. All of them, I had to watch 48 20-minute videos and write notes, and then have 26 20-minute calls, it all took 30, on top of all the work I do, the YouTube videos, all the things, you guys, I missed zero workouts, not one, zero. So that's not a flex. It's because those things, the Pilates session, specifically, those those movement practices, they are the reason I can do all this stuff. And so I will, I will never say, oh, I don't have time to go work out. I don't have time for that? No, the other stuff is what I will have to fit in and find time, or find ways to delegate, or figure out if that's a problem I have to deal with right now. But like, I'm not if I were to go, oh, this is a shitty week. The websites are offline. I can't work out because I got to do this. That is terrible, like that, that's too easy. So I do think that if you keep saying I don't have time, enough time, I would definitely look at your schedule, because you're, you're using your time is being spent on something you don't, that doesn't you don't want it to matter so much. Brad Crowell 21:10  Yeah, yeah, or, you know, I think, I think, though, you know, it's tough if you have a family, or like, kids or responsibilities in that way. I understand, I understand that. But there's also, you know, when it comes to that it's important that they understand how you value your time, too, and you you know that is something that can be a learning opportunity for them. Lesley Logan 21:33  Exactly. Amy Ledin, either episode three, no, she was episode five, episode five, and then we've had her on again, I think at least twice. So here's the deal. Actually said actions are caught, not taught. She said it multiple times. She really believes it.Brad Crowell 21:46  Five and 610. Lesley Logan 21:47  If you want your kids off their screens, they can do Pilates with you. If you can go on a family walk, you can't like if they see you practicing prioritization of the things you say matter, that means a lot to them. And I really do think that there is, I mean, obviously infants are a different story, but there and there is things you can do. There's also hopefully, of a partner, we can say, hey, it would mean a lot to me if I could get 20 minutes. You don't need a full hour, 20 minutes to do this thing that I said I wanted to do. These are the things that are really important to me. I need to find, can we sit down with the family calendar and find these times? Like, how can you get the family involved? I really want to write a book, right? So that's not me, but say maybe that's you. Maybe you want to write a book. Maybe you want to work on a thing. Hey guys, it would mean a lot. We had Stephanie at the Mullet Tour. She's like, I'm so jealous of your morning walks. I want to go on a morning walk. I found how old her kids were, and I said, So can't, are they incapable of making their own lunches? Like, yeah, it's a lot. I'm like, why don't you ask them, hey guys, it would mean a lot to me if before lot to me if, before I take you to school, I get to do a morning walk. Next day, next day. She texted me, I'm on my morning walk. They handled it. So I just think that sometimes we, yes, time with when you have kids and other and also, like some women have aging parents that they're also taking care of, time, there's always an excuse for not having time, but sometimes we're we also we get into a habit of not having time, and so we can't get out of that habit of not having time. And maybe you're in a season where you actually could make time for something important to you.Brad Crowell 23:15  Yeah, she, you know she's talking about when we use the excuse that we're blaming a lack of time. We're actually hiding the true obstacle. Now she are just to get underneath the excuse and ask, what? What is the real issue here? Is it fear, right? Is it like, how can we take radical responsibility for our time? How can we, how can we actually like, because otherwise we are being disingenuous with ourselves. We're lying to ourselves effectively, right? Like I am. I'm gonna do this thing and then we don't do this thing. And she said it might involve burning your calendar down and starting over. So she pointed out that people, they use seemingly positive or productive tasks as excuses. Oh my gosh. I just had so much work to do. You know? I didn't get a chance to go to do the thing, whatever the thing is, right? Or I'm planning to plan, or she, she said that maybe you're planning to plan, you know, like, you know, ultimately, but ultimately, making time for what actually matters requires that you take responsibility and stop stalling. You know, do I want to waffle in this, or do I want to move forward?Lesley Logan 24:19  Yeah, yeah. I think I also, I think getting on it all this is also just like saying, like, getting honest with yourself, if you honestly don't have time because you have young kids, you're taking care of, you are a single parent, you're also have an agent. Like, then we have to ask, okay, how do we get the community support? Because that's too much for any person. That's so much, and I'm not saying you have to find five hours, but like, let's how we get some little snacks to fill your cup so you feel worthy, you know, but I think I love burning down a calendar. I love starting over.Lesley Logan 24:49  Well, stick around. We might talk a little bit more about burning down calendars when we get back. Brad Crowell 24:49  All right, finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr Corey Wynn? She said, invest in yourself. Invest in a community of other women who are going places that you are also going, and it's important to to make that investment with people who will hold space for your dreams. You know, you were talking about, how do we how do we push pause on family or friends who aren't supportive and, you know, can't get rid of them, but, like, don't really want to get rid of them, but like, definitely they're clearly not the support system. That's where we came in this investing with ourselves. She said, inevitably, you become the reflection of the five people you spend the most time with.Lesley Logan 25:39  That that, I know we all hear that cliche. It's so fucking true. It is the most true thing. Because if you are around people who are wanting to learn and wanting to grow and wanting to think they're even if you don't, aren't contributing to that conversation you are hearing about the things they're doing, it's very inspirational. You can feel your vibes change when you hang out with different people, like I don't even hang out with like, eyores anymore, because, like, I don't even have an eyore in my life. Because, like, you know, so, yeah. Brad Crowell 26:07  Yeah. She said, you must actively and carefully curate your inner circle, you know, surround yourself with people who fill the roles of cheerleader, bruiser, a mentor, a coach, right? And also a mentee. I'm not opposed to a mentee, someone that you can you know, support.Lesley Logan 26:24  Well, that's a plus minus equals that I talk about all the time, and I attribute to someone who we can't figure out when he said it, but. Brad Crowell 26:26  And it doesn't necessarily have to be in person, you know, like virtual communities are something you can be a part of. We recommend OPC.Lesley Logan 26:37  I think OPC is a great one. We have some great, oh my gosh, just like Heidi and Jasmine and some other amazing people, Hope, like Cassie, Laurie can't well, now I'm naming people, I might forget someone, I'm so sorry. Your name was said, but, like, but I'm thinking of these people who, like, they go into the community and they're like, I didn't have time today, and I I'm so proud because I did it, because I am worthy of doing this.Brad Crowell 27:03  Or I did five minutes. Yeah, I love it. Well, what about you? What's your biggest takeaway?Lesley Logan 27:09  So she said, look at your calendar every single morning, ensure that at least one thing scheduled it that brings you joy.Brad Crowell 27:15  Oh, yeah, I really like this.Lesley Logan 27:16  I mean, that is like, if you're like, oh my god, I'm may have to burn my calendar down. Nope. We're just gonna say there should be one thing scheduled that brings you joy. I'm thinking of, oh my god, his name was very interesting. I think I started with a D. He had that 2% situation, which is like. Brad Crowell 27:33  Oh, right, 2% of your day. It's only 30 minutes.Lesley Logan 27:34  Yeah. So, like, 20 minutes of movement, 10 minutes of reading, and five (inaudible). No, it's like dol may del rey karate, del, now you're listening on real time how my brain works. Canadian, 2% 2% of your day. Like, definitely, that was the episode. El. Brad Crowell 27:58  Okay, we found it. Dai Manuel.Lesley Logan 28:01  Dai Manuel I was so close, (inaudible) like. Brad Crowell 28:04  Not even close. Lesley Logan 28:06  Oh my god. Anyways, but he, goal is not episode. Brad Crowell 28:06  185, episode 185. Lesley Logan 28:07  I said it, under 200 episodes. Oh, one. So he talked about the 2% of your day, and he gives you like a Be It Action Item, and I think that that goes in line with like, something that brings you joy, that you're not checklisting, that like actually makes you feel good about yourself. And it can be as small as five minutes, but it has to be something you're looking forward to, something that brings you joy. So maybe, if you don't know what to do, write down a bunch of things you think could bring you joy and give it a try. And she definitely, she said, it might take a little bit time to figure out what that is. So give yourself grace. Grace, Be It babes, Grace. Oh my gosh. We give grace to strangers before we give it to ourselves. So like, please, by all means, give it to yourself. All right, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 28:52  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 28:52  Thanks so much for joining us today until next time go Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 28:53  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 28:53  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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When was the last time you looked at your calendar and felt joy? Lesley Logan sits down with Dr. Corey Winn — Doctor of Physical Therapy, Peak Performance Strategist, and host of Empower HER Radio — for a candid conversation on why high-achieving women keep stalling on the dreams they actually want. Corey shares why "I don't have time" is rarely the real issue and how to start building a life that actually fits you.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Recognize when the cost of staying is bigger than the fear of changing.The importance of making decisions from clarity, not from fear.Set boundaries with family who don't share your vision.Why you need to surround yourself with the right five people.How to take responsibility for how you spend your time.Episode References/Links:Empower HER Radio with Dr. Corey Winn (Podcast) – https://beitpod.com/empoweherradioThe Carl Edward Foundation - https://www.thecarledwardfoundation.orgDr. Corey Winn's Website – https://www.coreywinn.comDr. Corey Winn's Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/coreywinndptDr. Corey Winn's LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreywinnDr. Corey Winn's YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/@coreywinndptFree discovery call with Dr. Corey Winn – https://www.coreywinn.com/freecallSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsGuest Bio:Dr. Corey Winn is a powerhouse leader, entrepreneur, and philanthropist dedicated to empowering high-achieving women, building lasting legacies, and transforming lives through philanthropy. As a Doctor of Physical Therapy, visionary business coach, and She Sells consultant, she has mastered the art of wealth creation, personal transformation, and high-impact leadership. Dr. Winn partners with SheSells and Super Human Selling to help elite women align their financial success with their soul's purpose, shifting them from burnout to effortless abundance. Through her dynamic coaching, speaking engagements, and consulting, she equips ambitious women with the strategies and confidence to step into their highest earning potential while leading with authenticity and impact. As the founder of The Carl Edward Foundation, Dr. Winn is on a mission to revolutionize support for patients facing spinal cord injuries and progressive neurological diseases. By bridging financial gaps and advocating for greater access to life-changing resources, her foundation provides hope, dignity, and opportunities for a better quality of life. A devoted wife and mother, Dr. Winn exemplifies how family, business, and philanthropy can coexist in perfect harmony. She is passionate about creating generational wealth, empowering women to break through barriers, and leaving a legacy of impact that extends beyond her lifetime. With a rapidly growing global audience, a thriving business, and a foundation making a measurable difference, Dr. Corey Winn is redefining what it means to be a woman of influence, wealth, and service. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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I could sit for hours and read. Is that moving the needle forward anything that I do? It might be filling my cup, but it's not moving my business forward. So it's also recognizing it might not be Doom scrolling social media. It might not be binge watching Netflix, it may be like, Oh, I should probably read for 30 minutes rather than two hours.Lesley Logan 0:26  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:05  All right, Be It babe, this one is totally for you. This is for my high-achieving women. This isn't for my women who have lots of things that they're wanting to do and struggling to find the systems to do it. This is for you. If you just want to, like, get a reminder of how to understand who you are, what you want, and how to get there. I'm so excited. Our guest is Dr Corey Winn, dear friend of mine, I've been on her amazing podcast. She's so smart, succinct. I mean, we could have talked for hours, but I also loved how she can get all the great information out in a way that you can use it, understand it, apply it. And I think you're really gonna love this. So here is Dr. Corey Winn. Lesley Logan 1:42  All right, Be It babe, I'm super excited today, because I had the most fun being on today's guest podcast, and we had such a great conversation. I was like, oh, we should just keep talking. So you should just come on over to my podcast. So, Corey Winn, thanks for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are and why you rock so much?Dr Corey Winn 1:58  Yes, I love it. So talking about being it I am, Dr Corey Winn, it took me a very long time to own that, but I am a physical therapist for the past 15 years, and I also have a women's coaching and consulting practice, working with women, building their businesses and leaving legacy as female entrepreneurs. So it's been an incredible journey and road, and here we are. Lesley Logan 2:22  Oh my gosh, yes. And also like, so wait a minute, are you like? Are you still doing physical therapy and you're doing all this stuff?Dr Corey Winn 2:30  I am. I have two very beautiful, but very different lanes, so I specialize in wheelchair seating and mobility. My uncle had a spinal cord injury, so I have a nonprofit that serves that population, and then I have my women's coaching and consulting practice, because I love female entrepreneurs. I'm never bored.Lesley Logan 2:50  That's that's true. And also, like, such different I like to go on lanes because, like, they are such different lanes. Okay, so, like, which came first? Was it the the doctor part, or the coaching part?Dr Corey Winn 3:00  Definitely the doctor part. So I've been a PT for 15 years, doctor of physical therapy. I actually tore my ACL in dance class, surprisingly enough, in high school, and decided I was going to go the PT route. So originally, I wanted to work with ABT or with women's basketball players, because I worked women's basketball in college, and then I found the life of neuro which really didn't surprise me, like I said, my uncle had a spinal cord injury, so I was around him and all of his wheelchairs my entire life, and really just began to love that realm of PT and focus really heavily in outpatient with Parkinson's disease. So that was that lane. But as many women and moms, the typical nine to five or eight to six and weekends and holidays really wasn't working, so pivoted and started my own coaching practice. And I still, like I said, I do PT, but I've worked my schedule around my kiddo in my life, so it's been really fun.Lesley Logan 3:59  That's so good. I love that. I love that well, also, like, we live in a different world now where I think, like, people are kind of used to that. And I always found, like, why is it? Why is everything like nine to five? How do people who are working nine to five get to anywhere? Like, why aren't there people who are like, oh, actually, we're like a, we're like, a 12 to seven kind of place, you know, like, what happened? So I think it's so cool that you get to do that. Okay, so, like, take us back, because, like, it's easy for us to go, like, look at you now, where you have, like, their two lanes, and they're distinct lanes, and they work around your schedule. But like, what was the middle like? What was it like trying to figure out like, I mean, you know, because I know a lot of people will listen to go they're doing something, but they're having this call to another thing. There's fear there. There's a lot of overwhelm. Also, it's not like the easiest thing you just go this is in this compartment, like there's a blend that has happening.Dr Corey Winn 4:48  Oh my gosh, I love that. Well, honestly, the first kind of nudge my daughter was six months old, and as I was getting ready for work one of the many mornings, she crawled across the bathroom floor for. First time. And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Couldn't wait to tell her teacher at daycare dropped her off like you'll never guess what she did this morning. And I told her, and she looked at me, just dead panned, and said she did that yesterday, and walked away. And I looked at her, and I said, can you please not tell me those things? And she looked at me just very shocked, and I said, I already know I'm missing so much. Just let me believe. I don't need you to lie. Just let me believe that I thought. Lesley Logan 5:30  Or at the very least they should have told you that she did crawl like they're when you picked her up. Hey, she crawled today. Did you know she does that? Like, agree, since they missed out. They should just been like, oh my god, look at her. Like they should just kept it to themselves. There are white lies for a reason. Dr Corey Winn 5:46  Right. Yeah, same, Yep, absolutely. And I was just so crushed because I was like, oh my gosh, that is just blatantly obvious how much I'm missing. And so then it was like, well, what do I do? I was going to be in this lane. I was going to do this until I retired. I went to school for a long time. What do I do now? This doesn't work with my life. I'd love to say, oh, I pivoted and it was beautiful after that. No, I was scared to death, so I just said, okay, well, I can work, you know, less hours, that's where it started. But then fast forward, years later, I actually started as a health coach, more for my own health than anything else, but as I was coaching these women, I was realizing the issue isn't the program or the nutrition or the exercise plan or the whatever like those things are inherently easy to follow. Most women I work with are very high-achieving. They know how to check boxes. They know how to follow a plan. They can manage all the things, but if they didn't feel worthy of taking care of themselves, it didn't matter. So that was where I really pivoted and said, no, I'm working with women who are badasses, who are going for things and not settling for anything less. Yes, at one point they were burned out. Yes, at one point they were stressed, but now they've said, no, I've had this view, or I've had this product, or I've had this idea that I wanted to do with forever. I'm going for it. So that's how I ended up coaching.Lesley Logan 7:13  Yeah, I think there's like, always, like, a little thank you for taking us on the journey. Because, like, it's not like, you just like, land on the next thing. Like, most of us have little detours along the way, or or building blocks, or going like, oh, I think this is a thing. But it's like, wait a minute, this, this is not their problem. And also, with the way the world is going today, like, anyone can just download a health thing, and also most people, unfortunately, are just going to just get shot. So it's like, okay, great. But then now that you've done that, like, what's the actual root issue of the thing. So can you describe, like, how? Because I imagine, like, I imagine the way you're coaching them is also like, going to be it till you see it kind of way. It's like, there's, there's got to be some sort of acting as if they're ready. So how does that look? What does that look like?Dr Corey Winn 7:59  Well, in so many women, and I'm sure you do this, you, all of us, every high-achieving woman I've ever worked with has questioned their value, questioned their worth, questioned their expertise. Who am I to do that, that, that stopped me for years. So it's one, getting huge clarity on what you want. So often, the women I work with, nobody's asked them what they want for years because they're married, they have kids, they have a job, they're holding all the things together, so it's what you want, and then embodying the thoughts, desires, the beliefs that that woman has, and then creating your life and making decisions along that line, not making decisions from fear.Lesley Logan 8:39  Well, but that's the hardest part, because like, to be honest, usually when you when you figure out their clarity, sometimes I think they know, but they don't want to admit it, because it means, often, like, letting go of something else. Like you had to, like, reduce hours somewhere. You had to, like, let go of the coaching thing. Like, it means almost like we feel that if we stop doing something else, that we're letting people down because they have expectations of us, and we are so used to meeting everyone's expectations and our own. So how does that work? Because, like, that's the hardest part. Dr Corey Winn 9:09  I think for me, it was being really honest with myself and figuring out what it was going to cost me to not do those things. And I don't remember exactly how old my daughter was, probably four or five, but I remember having this horrible sense of failure because my mom did all the things. She was carpool, she worked full time, she was home on the the teacher work days, all the things, and I remember thinking she did it all. Why does this feel so hard. Why can't I figure it out? Lesley Logan 9:43  I think it was hard for them, too. Dr Corey Winn 9:45  At some point, I was like, Corey, you don't have to do it all. And learning to receive help, ask for help. And on the other side of that, it was I want my daughter to know, and my bonus kiddos, who are grown now, they're doing their own thing, but I want them to know that they don't ever have to stay in their lane. They don't have to stay in the box that maybe somebody else made for them, and I don't want them to ever be too afraid to try. So hey, I've tried, I've pivoted, I've done things, and it wasn't always easy, but it was like, what is, what's going to be the cost of me staying here? Is it my sanity? Is it my soul? Is it my happiness? Is it my family?Lesley Logan 10:32  Yeah, I think that's I think that's tough. Like, you almost have to take a piece of paper out and get really clear, like, this is what I want, okay, what does it cost me to not do the thing. I mean, that's what people don't realize, and I don't I, you know, like, it's really funny. I don't even know your mom probably did it really well, but I don't even know if they were doing all the things all very well. But also, we didn't have so many other things to do. Like, there are so many things to do. I'm currently, like, before getting on this call with you, going back and forth, texting a doctor, and they're like, okay, well, that's not a that's, no, it's not an uncommon issue. You have to call around, you know, and do these things. And I'm like, that, people didn't have to do that. Back then you would go, and then it would happen. And maybe it took, they'd say, okay, in two days, it's gonna happen. But like, there was, like, things were slower, and now everything is so fast, and it takes time. And so I think, like, sitting down and getting really clear, like, really clear, like, what is the cost of keeping going with the thing that you don't want to be doing? So how do you exit? Like, what's the kind to just like, the worst place, how I'm really good at exiting is blowing it up. So we're better at that now, better at that now. Dr Corey Winn 11:37  You can turn it all to the ground (inaudible) yeah, you know, for me personally, on the one hand, I'm somebody who would love to just burn it all down. I mean, I'm like, let's go. We're doing this now. And the more fearful maybe, or the more practical version of me is like, oh, we still have bills to pay, and that's reality. You know, some people can burn it all to the ground, and the steps come and and there, and there's nothing wrong with that. What I work with my clients on is what feels good to you, because it doesn't matter what I did if it doesn't feel good in your soul to do it that way. It's not going to be successful. And my biggest goal is to help my clients trust themselves again, trust their process and do what works for them. Some of them, they're like, yep, burning it all to the ground, leaving tomorrow. We're done with that. Some of them are like, I want six months of savings in the bank before I totally pivot and go on this idea. Both are both are fine. Both are right. It's just what feels good to you.Lesley Logan 12:48  Yeah, I agree. Like in my youthful days when it was just rent to pay and no one on my payroll, I could burn it down. And, you know, as as I'm older, a little wiser, and also, like, I care about all the things that I do, I do think some sort of runway and roadmap and plan and based on, like, a value system, right? Like, having these are my values, and so if I follow my values in this change, like, how, how does that change align with those values? Because then it will feel good, you know? Because, like, it's one thing to just like pivot, and it's the other thing to like feel good while you're pivoting. You want to be like, oh, I let those people down. I mean, you still might, but as long as you, like, let them in on the journey, like, that could be the runway. Yeah, I get that. Lesley Logan 13:27  And I think it depends on, like, who it matters whether you let down, if that makes sense. Lesley Logan 13:33  Oh, okay. Dr Corey Winn 13:34  There are people in your life who you don't need permission from. And I don't mean permission, like, yes, you can do that. But like family members who don't believe in you, or friends who are like, oh, what are you doing? Their opinions don't matter. They're not paying your bills. You know, if the people in your life are on board and they're going for it, and they aren't always, I'm very, very lucky. My husband's always like, yes, where are we going? What are we doing? But surrounding yourself with a group of people, whether it's friends or their family, whether it's mentors and coaches who hold that vision for you, and are like, All right, let's go. We're doing it.Lesley Logan 14:11  Yeah, I know that's interesting. Like, I was just having coffee with a girlfriend. I'm like, it can be really difficult to like, I'm a boundaries queen. So like, it's not like, it's that, but like, it is still difficult. There's people who don't in your life who don't want to respect those boundaries, because they're like, this is how I want to operate, and this is how everyone should operate. And it can feel really hard to like, not let those people on the journey. Like, how do you, I don't know, what do you say? How have you coached people who have those family or friends that they're just not able to like, kick to the curb? You know, they don't, they don't, their opinions don't matter. They know that consciously, but also they're still kind of like, having the hard like, how do you put those people in? Like, I don't know. Can we put them in a closet? Like, what do we do?Dr Corey Winn 14:53  You know, honestly, this is a very difficult journey for me, because I have a very large family who has lots of opinions, and I just wanted to fit in. I don't personally have any siblings, so my immediate family is very small, but oh my gosh, cousins, aunts, uncles, everybody has an opinion about how it should go and how it should be. And it took me a very long time to really sit still and listen to my heart and say, Are these people along for the long haul? Are they here to support me, or are they questioning everything that I do, or judging or whatever? And it it was difficult. It was a grieving process to say I love you and I'm not going to allow you to bring me down anymore. And for me, it wasn't even like I had to have a heart to heart conversation. It was just like, I'm not going to allow that energy in my space anymore, but I had to get to a point where I was okay with that, because I I don't speak to a lot of family that doesn't hold those same values, and that was hard growing up with a huge family and cousins and family reunions and all the things, but I realized they're not going where I'm going, and that's okay. They're not bad people. I'm not a bad person. But it was a grieving process, for sure. And so I work with my clients on figuring out where their boundaries are, what works for them, and also letting them give themselves permission to say, I'm not going to have lunch anymore, or I'm not going to call this person when I'm having contrast, because they're not going to help me get out of it. Lesley Logan 16:33  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think lists, guys, I'm hearing a lot of lists, you know, especially until it becomes easier for for us. You know, I also think that, like it sounds like sometimes we need to surround ourselves with better people, maybe not better people, just the right people, I should say, because some people can be great and then the wrong people. What are your tips? Because I feel like a lot of women, especially high-achieving women, it's hard to sometimes have the time to go make friends or like, people who can be in their corner, like it can just feel like they end up doing everything for everybody at some point. So like, what is your best suggestion for that? Because you're gonna need people on your journey.Dr Corey Winn 17:13  Invest in yourself. That's the best thing I have ever done. Invest in a community of other women who are going places that you're going. That's how I met you. I met you through Jessica Papineau. And being around women who hold space for your dreams, who are like grabbing their bag and saying, all right, show me where, let's go, versus really you're gonna do that? Why? And I was actually at Brooke Hemingway's Align event back in January, and Justin, think it's Justin Shank said there's five people who you need to surround yourself with, a cheerleader, a bruiser, a mentor, a coach, and essentially, somebody who's going to always be there for you to have, you know, be your shoulder. And it really hit me, because you are the five people you surround yourself with. So like, I love my parents, but I don't want the same financial set point that they had, so I'm not going to go to them for business advice. That's okay. And I think having that clarity of, like, I'm going to go to this mentor for this thing, or I'm going to surround myself with this type of woman for this thing, and it doesn't have to always be in person. You know, there's a lot of virtual communities you can be a part of, and that was really where it started for me, because there's a lot of networking groups out there that maybe aren't the right room for you. And that's okay.Lesley Logan 18:36  I know, I know I feel like I get invited to a lot of rooms, and I'm always like, so knowing who I am and knowing what I do, I can't be in this room, because I'm gonna have all on the fixing all your stuff, your journey, I will just make like because I won't want to waste my time. And so it's like, I can't, you know, and it's hard, because sometimes I find like, the way I was raised, I kind of feel like I'm letting people down by, like, not taking their invitation. But also, it's like, I can't be in every room, and if the rooms aren't going to be the right place for me, or I feel like the little snake oily salespeople, you know, clicky. I don't like that stuff, so I am kind of allergic to but it takes time to figure out, like, oh, is this group the right group, you know? And then, like, being kind to yourself if you accidentally chose the wrong group because you thought it was the right group, you know?Dr Corey Winn 19:23  Right well. And I think there's something to be said. I think there's a lot of women wounding out there. I think there was a lot of fear for me to walk into rooms with other women of like, am I going to be accepted here? Am I going to be welcomed here? What's it going to be like? And giving yourself grace, like you said, to exit if you need to, or or relax, like I needed to do, and go, okay, this, this is a safe space.Lesley Logan 19:45  Yeah, I'm incredibly grateful that you can like block and bless. You know, it's like, I like, not everyone needs to know you left. I'm the queen of an Irish goodbye, especially when I found out that it was the kindest way to leave a space. It's like, it means that you're it's not about you when you leave, I'm like, I am more obsessed with an Irish goodbye than ever before, because I'm like, oh, it's not about this is not about me. So then you know that I left.Dr Corey Winn 20:08  Yeah, think about I think originally, I feel like I heard you kind of say you want to help everybody. You want to be part of everything. And then you really realize, like, okay, these are not my people. And once you get incredibly clear on who you work with, they flock to you versus, you know, the people who maybe aren't ready or aren't willing to invest in themselves, they exit themselves.Lesley Logan 20:28  Yeah, no, I think it's true. I think there's like people who they find you and they're they're like a magnet to you when you're really clear, because either they're totally ready or they aspire to be ready. And I think that those are the best ones to work with when you're there's, it's like a push versus a pull, right? Like, like, if you're constantly trying to be like, hey, I'm the person, this is the thing. Like, that's really push, you know, forward. That's hard, and it means you sometimes push wrong people into your spaces. But if you if you're a bit more clear, and you own that, and I think that that is one of the kindest things. Like, I had somebody asked me about inclusivity, and I'm a big fan of inclusivity. Of course, everyone should feel like they belong somewhere, but it might not be my space. But it is important for me to know what space, based on what I know about that person might be right for them, so that they find something like, you're a physical therapist specialize in neurological there's any people who come to you who just need, you know, hip stuff. It's like, of course, you're smart, you know how to do it. But like, Are you the best hip person? Probably, like, there's someone better, right? Right. Dr Corey Winn 21:28  Not anymore. Lesley Logan 21:29  Yeah. So, like, so it's like, you it's inclusive to, like, know those spaces and guide people on the other direction as well. I think, yeah. Dr Corey Winn 21:37  Absolutely. Lesley Logan 21:38  Yeah. So what do you what do you say to the person who's like, I get it, I get that I should invest in myself, but they have that, that time. Excuse, I don't have the time. You know, like you had kids and another job and a nonprofit. How do we give ourselves permission to find the time? Dr Corey Winn 21:56  I hope I can get permission from your audience to be incredibly blunt, because I'm going to be, you know, it's what you make time for. I mean, being a very, very radical, taking radical responsibility for your time. I mean, and I this past January, I was like, hmm, this, this time management quote process isn't working for me. It's not building me the way that I want to so taking responsibility for maybe burning your whole calendar down and starting over, but time isn't the real issue. So really getting underneath like, okay, it's not time. What is the real issue? Is it fear? Is it someone else's expectations? What's really behind it? Because time is just an excuse. We all make time for the things that are important to us.Lesley Logan 22:44  Right. It's true. Like, if we were like, you could say, oh, I can't do anything tomorrow. If I would say, oh, but it's I got a free shopping spree to, like, the your favorite store, you would fucking find the time. Like, it's a free shopping spree to your favorite store, you know? So we find, we find the time all the time. So, so it's really about making sure that you're, you're clear on what that is, because, and I get it, like, there are people who have families who need them, you know, for different reasons. You have an infant, you have a young toddler, you have somebody who has a neurological condition going on in their house, there's they're gonna need you. But also there's, there's still other time in your day. And like, how are you spending it? And they're the the phone is a great space that wants to suck all of our time. I find myself wasting time on it all the time. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, like, we can, there's time. And also you'd be surprised. Dr Corey Winn 23:33  You can be wasting time reading a book. Like, I love to read. I could sit for hours and read. Is that moving the needle forward anything that I do? It might be filling my cup, but it's not moving my business forward. So it's also recognizing it might not be doom scrolling social media, it might not be binge watching Netflix. It may be like, oh, I should probably read for 30 minutes rather than two hours.Lesley Logan 23:59  Right, right. So you're still filling your cup. But like, you know, how much are you and what, what does that space look like? I think you're totally right. Like, I think we, like, are like, oh, and I don't doom scroll, I know what this, I still have the time, right, but are you like, still organizing the kitchen, right?Dr Corey Winn 24:13  Or planning to plan to plan to make a plan.Lesley Logan 24:16  Yeah, exactly like, I have people who are like.Dr Corey Winn 24:20  I'm saying that from me. I'm not judging, I'm not pointing fingers. Like that was me, and I had to take radical responsibility for, like, okay, what do I want to waffle in this? Or do I want to move forward?Lesley Logan 24:32  Yeah, and I think that, like, first of all, everyone, like, we say these things in jest, because we spot it, we got it. Like, the reason we can call this out is because we did those things, you know, like, we find ways to I have too much email, so guess what? I found a system that means someone else reads my email. Someone else reads it. I read it's so rare that I respond to an email before it's read by somebody else. Because I'm not I don't go into my regular inbox. I usually go straight into this, like one inbox, where I'm responsible for responding at these things or looking at these things. And I'm telling you, what has given me is I check my email, like, once a week, probably dangerous, because sometimes it's like, my assistants, like you really do need to respond to this one. I'm like, oh, okay, but like, I check it once a week, because, like, it was so hard. I was like, I am stuck between Slack and our, you know, our system that tells me what, what jobs I have to do today, and the email and the text messages, like, I want to talk to my friends too. Like I can't do all the I can't check in all of the platforms all the time. So I check my email like once a week, and I check the Slacks like three days a week. Because honestly, if it's super, super important, someone else is going to call me and go, you have got to respond to this.Dr Corey Winn 25:37  Yes, yeah. We need your input here. Please answer.Lesley Logan 25:40  Yeah. And I think, like, look, if you're brand new at what you're doing and what you're getting into, there is some need to be a bit more available to be reached out, because you're new and you're building your stuff up. I am definitely, you know, my god, 15, 16, years into my coaching business, and, you know, almost 18 years into teaching, like, people will wait 48 hours for a response from me, you know, like, they will so, but I also know that, like, unless what you're doing is brain surgery, and I don't mean that, like, what you're doing is not important, but most things can wait 48 hours for a response. So you can still make time for things and block things out. And as an ADHD person, I thrive in systems. So like you just there, you just have to find the one that works for you. Dr Corey Winn 26:24  Oh, yeah. My calendar, I think would really scare most people, because it's so color-coded and it's so almost minute by minute. But for me, that has given me clarity to complete this task and move on to the next one. Because for somebody who was a physical therapist full time for so many years, a new patient comes in every 45 minutes. You have to have your note done all these things like it was so regimented. And stepping into the entrepreneurial world, you can work all day or none at all. So figuring out the system is important, but know that it can change. There's still no rigid blocks. It's no taking inventory of is this still working for me? Because what you did probably doesn't work, but just look at who Lesley Logan is today.Lesley Logan 27:11  Not at all. And thank God, there's so many new tools out there. Yeah, no, I think that's really important. And thanks for sharing that like it's so color-coded minute by minute. Because I do think some people think some people think that they're weird when it's like that, but I am someone who actually the same way. Like, if I I want to know how long something can take, so I can go, oh, I have time for that. But if it's like, we need this today, and it's like, well, how long will that take? Like, I have to go, is it a 15-minute project? Is it a 20-minute project? Like, you start to learn, like, how long things are, because everything takes the amount of time you give it. It really, really does. And you'd be surprised, like, how quickly some things can get done if you just, you just do it. I think the other thing we're saying, without saying, is like, you need to know yourself and get by the way, by the way, becoming an entrepreneur, entrepreneurial, you'll learn a lot about yourself.Dr Corey Winn 27:55  I would never have identified as somebody who has ADHD, and I'm not diagnosed, but things that bounce around in my head all day. My husband will look at me every so often. He's like, are you going to finish that sentence? Lesley Logan 28:07  No, you did in your head. You did it in your head? Yeah, no. The reality is, I don't think that. I don't know many entrepreneurs that could be neurotypical. I think it's just like a thing that we all find ourselves in because we're doers and our brain thinks so fast and and I had no idea. I thought my husband was the one with ADHD, and I got diagnosed this week that we're recording this, so who knows when y'all are hearing this, but, like, in, but I, like, two years before someone told me that I did that, she's like, oh, your classic case. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, I know. And I looked what women and ADHD look like, and I'm like, oh, my whole life I I just thought I was, this is what I told my psychiatrist. I said, well, I thought I was an Aquarius, and so that's why, I mean, I am an Aquarius, but like, I thought, because I'm an Aquarius, that's why I have a lot of things and that I have conversations in my head. And it's like, she laughed out loud, like audibly laughed out loud. She's like, well, you are an Aquarius, but you also have ADHD.Dr Corey Winn 29:06  I'm a Scorpio, but I totally identify with that. Lesley Logan 29:08  You, you have to like, the more you get to know yourself, and it makes it easier for you to figure out, what kind of systems do you need, what kind of team members do you need? Like, I am becoming increasingly aware that, like, I probably need more people on my team that are neurotypical, because I we all can't have ADHD. So I'm glad he has to get things done in a different way. But like, I think when it's coming and it I also think we have to, it's shocking how fast things happen when you take your time. You know what I mean? Like, if we we start to think I should probably it should go faster by now. But it's like, actually, if you take the time to know your values and know your clarity and understand what your fears are and understand what kind of systems you need, you'd be surprised how fast you go. Now, some of you will actually just stick in the in the learning about yourself and the planning to plan and plan to plan, like, like Corey said, but no, you'll learn that about yourself as well, and it really does help. All right, Corey, what are you most excited about right now?Dr Corey Winn 30:08  That's kind of a hard one. There's, like I said earlier, there's two different lanes. So I am launching, like a business building intensive for my community. So anybody who's like brand new entrepreneur just launching like you are my person. Let's get in. Let's sit for a day, either virtually or in person, if you're here in Colorado, and like, map it out, figure it out what systems you need, who you're doing. But then on the other side of that, we're getting to start early this year, but our annual gala for the foundation will be in October, so starting to talk to venues and reach out to people, because today is actually Colorado Disability Advocacy Day.Lesley Logan 30:49  Oh, so you guys just know it today, that day is we're recording, February 12th, so. Dr Corey Winn 30:54  That's true. It's February 12 here in Colorado. So you know there's things going on at the Capitol, there's things going on around town. So like you, I am fiercely protective of inclusive spaces and access and accessibility. So I will likely be doing some talks on that in the coming future to like position groups and whatnot. So lots of things brewing, just lots of excitement going on. Lesley Logan 31:19  I but of course. But you know, what's so funny is, like you say it's two lanes, but now that you brought up advocacy, I just think that, like, because of the work you've done in advocating for that special population you work with, it makes it so much easier for you to, like, tell women that you coach like how to advocate for themselves, like this. It's all the same thing. And if we by the way, if you don't, you don't have to be someone who, like, does talks in front of crowds about advocacy, like advocating for yourself is like, kind of an essential skill set, so that, not just so you can get your dreams to happen, but also so that you you feel seen, and you belong and and you get your needs met. Dr Corey Winn 31:54  Right. Well, and you talked earlier, just about talking to the doctor, you know, I am fiercely protective of women because of the amount of times I've been dismissed at the doctor's office by women physicians. So, you know, being in spaces where I can help other women recognize there's a different room for you and that's okay, or if the door is shut here, there's one open over here, you know, and I do think inherently that is my, my passion is helping people reach their full potential. It's not just women. Yeah.Lesley Logan 32:28  Well, because if the women you help are reaching their full potential, it's a there's like a bubble of influence that happens. So I agree, I agree, and I think that's so it's so key. Oh my gosh. Well, I mean, we could talk for another bit on all of this stuff, but we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you and work with you and your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 32:48  All right, Corey, where do you hang out? Where do you teach these amazing women to get clarity and advocate for themselves? Where is all where's your fun places to be.Dr Corey Winn 32:57  I love it. Thank you so much. So I'm on Instagram @coreywinndpt, I'm on LinkedIn @coreywinn and if you head to Her Quantum Rise, you can see all the different ways you can work with me, reach out, schedule a free call. I'm happy to just jump on the phone and figure out what you need and how I can help.Lesley Logan 33:17  Perfect. I love that. That's so nice, so nice when people are like, Hey, I'm open and I'm ready. And I think that sometimes people need to know if it's right space for them. You've given us a lot of stuff. So if it but feel free to repeat yourself. But, Be It Action Items, bold, executable, intrinsic or target steps people can take it to be till they see it, what do you have for us? Dr Corey Winn 33:35  Every morning, I want you to look at your calendar and make sure there's something on it that brings you joy. It doesn't matter whether it's five minutes, like Fridays, I typically try and take off and have a whole self-care day. And that doesn't necessarily always mean like bubble bath and other things, but something in your calendar every single day that brings you joy because it allows your productivity to improve. It fills your cup, and it may take a little bit of time to figure out what that is. So give yourself grace.Lesley Logan 34:07  I love that I'm obsessed with morning I really like, I really am and I am also someone who like, if, if I sleep in and my morning routine gets shortened, I'm like, I love it when it's like, I love a three full hour luxurious like getting into my day, but like finding I love that also finding something that brings you joy. So many of us, sometimes there's things on the counter that used to and we like lost our way, so I think that's beautiful. And if you don't have something, that you have to find something. And that's cool. I love this, Lesley Logan 34:34  Corey, you're so amazing. This is so fun. Thank you for being you and y'all how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you tell Corey, tell the Be It Pod, and then share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Because, you know, especially if you're like, oh, I want to do this, and my this person wants to do it, you guys can do the journey together. You can be on it together, and and, and support each other, and, and then you'll, you know, we all like you have the person's five groups. I really think. Like, we all need people who are pluses in our life, equals in our life, and then someone who's behind where we're going, you know, because that lets us know how far we've come, someone who understands the journey we're on, and someone who's who's paved the way. And you can see, like, okay, there is a light at the end of this tunnel. It's not a train. You know?Dr Corey Winn 35:15  The world isn't gonna drop off. You're not gonna fall off the other side. Lesley Logan 35:18  Yeah, exactly. 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In this energizing Fuck Yeah Friday episode, Pilates coach and host, Lesley Logan shares why acknowledging progress matters more than waiting for big milestones that may never feel enough. She spotlights incredible listener wins, from leading skilled skydivers to finally surviving nighttime potty-training season, and reveals a personal behind-the-scenes project that's pushing her to think bigger and act bolder.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:The eleven quotes that she finds inspiring from Lewis Hatchett.Celebrating skydiving merit badges and nighttime potty training milestones.Finishing a secret project draft without needing external accountability buddies. This week's affirmation to surround yourself with calm peace.Episode References/Links:The Four Tendencies by Gretchen Rubin - https://a.co/d/0g8ujQhjLewis Hatchett Instagram Quotes - https://beitpod.com/lewishatchettSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:44  All right, Be It babe. How are you? Welcome to another FYF, another Fuck Yeah Friday. It's because we need things like wins in our lives. We need fun times to celebrate the little things that we did and the little things that we're doing. And you'll hear my win, and you'll hear how that's a win in a second that might inspire you to send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 1:07  So I have, I have a thing in all my memberships where you have to celebrate your wins. And if you need a bitch, there is a bitch channel, that you have to go celebrate a win. And I hate when I have to go, oh, this is really terrible. This happened to you. You have to go celebrate a win, because you can't just, like, dump your shit. You gotta go celebrate your win. But on the Be It Pod, we just have wins, right? And inspiring things, and wins, and wins can be small, big, all the things in between, but they're yours, and I love sharing yours. So beitpod.com/questions is where you can send a win in and because it'll come out a couple months after you send it, and then you'll go, oh my god, I can't believe I forgot that I did that thing. I am doing great things. Lesley Logan 1:43  So before we get to your wins, these are 11 quotes that will hit you like a train. Lewis Hatchett, the link will be in this from Instagram. What a blessing to be tired in the pursuit of a challenge of your choosing. What a blessing to be tired in the pursuit of the challenge of your choosing. Yeah, I think we forget that we get to do this. I'm really grateful. Like, in the last couple of years, it's really, I don't get to go, I don't go. Why am I doing this? Because I want, I'm doing all the things I want. Like, I woke up and I'm like, you're doing all the things you want so you better, like, stop being tired. Like, those are, like, things people say around you that you pick up and you're like, oh, I should say, oh, my god, I'm so busy. But like I'm excited. I've got good things going on. Okay? Another one. People may laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at them because they're all the same. I like that one. It's nice. It's a little petty, but I like it. You're doubting yourself while others are terrified of your potential. Boom.Lesley Logan 2:39  Your whole path can be determined by who you surround yourself with. So yes, be selective. We just talked about that in the episode that's coming out with Corey Wynn. So yes, you're getting close. That's why it's getting tough, right? It's always harder at the top of the peak. Look at the way you struggle and tell me you're not strong. Look at the way you struggle and tell me not strong. My goodness, like look at the things that you're having to deal with you, the only way you could do that is if you were a strong person, you wouldn't be given something you can't struggle with, right? An underrated skill in people is the ability to suffer well. It's not going to be smooth sailing, so it's an underrated skill. Thank yourself for having it. You are what you do, not what you say you'll do. You are what you do, not what you say you'll do. Any lesson you refuse to learn will repeat itself until you do. Well, that's true. So true. Vision without execution is just hallucination. Okay, that hits. Mistake that makes you humble is better than an achievement that makes you arrogant. Love those. Love, love, love, love those. You'll hear a couple of these apply to the win I have in just a moment. Lesley Logan 3:57  Now let's get to your win. So we have a couple wins from @amandalgpilates. I led a group of very skilled B-level skydivers all weekend to earn specialized merit badges. That's cool. That's like, I don't even know why they're getting merit badges, but like, I love this. What a fun that's gonna be inspiring. I'll never skydive, but I love that for you. But also, she sent, my kid is officially nighttime potty-trained. We're diaper free house again. You know what, Amanda, that is a fucking huge win. I don't even have kids, and I imagine that that's got to just feel like, like you got to be going, who needs these diapers? Where are these I mean, like, I'm sure, like, so many different things open up in your life. So what a win. Thanks for celebrating with us. I am just so excited for you. I know we have so many listeners who are like, yes, yes, go, Amanda. See, isn't that fun to hear other people's wins? You're like, oh, that's a win. I had a win like that, yeah, and you didn't celebrate it. You got to celebrate it. Lesley Logan 4:43  So my win. So okay, here's the deal. I can't tell you what it is. Some people know, but I've been working on something behind the scenes, something that's been on my mind. I want to say October. So, you know, we're coming, you know, half a year, but I've been working on it, and I'm really proud of where the first draft is, and I'm really excited to take action on it. And it's a win, because I am with my ADHD, like, shiny object syndrome person, and it's really easy for me to say I'm going to do something, and then, like, especially if people don't know I'm going to do it, not that I'm not going to do it, because, like, my four tendencies, the tendency I have, is I'm going to do it, but I could just take a little longer with it. And this is something I did not want to take a long time with. I wanted to get it done in less than nine months, because the people who are going to use it are going to need it. So I'm extremely excited for what this has turned out to, how it's challenged me, and it goes into that like a vision without action is just a hallucination. Like this is not a hallucination. This is going to be something that it's going to challenge me in humongous ways. It's going to make me have to be bigger and bolder and think in a different aspect. And I'm excited for that challenge. So anyways, my win is I'm working on the thing I said I work on without having to have accountability buddies everywhere to get it done. And I'm not saying that you should need that, like some people's tendencies do. Read The Four Tendencies book if you haven't ever done that. But sometimes we don't have at least a deadline. It's hard for all of us to do anything, because there's other things that like take over and this one, nope, this one, this one, this one's sticking, and this one's gonna change people's lives, and I'm super excited about it. Lesley Logan 6:23  Okay, your affirmation. Calm and peace surround me. Calm and peace surround me. Calm and peace surround you, Be It, babe. All right. Thank you so much. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 6:39  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 7:21  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 7:26  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 7:31  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 7:38  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 7:41  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Lesley Logan 7:54  You are what you do, not what you'say you'll do. Any lesson, any lesson.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

What if the biggest thing holding you back is waiting for someone else to say yes? In this powerful solo episode, Lesley Logan continues her permission series and unpacks why so many people second-guess their desires, choices, and next moves. She shares how childhood conditioning, perfectionism, and the need for approval keep people stuck far longer than they realize. From Brené Brown permission slips to boundaries, intuition, and radical responsibility, Lesley offers practical ways to trust in your own intuition. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why asking permission becomes a hidden habit.Lesley's Pilates journey challenged needing approval.How Brené Brown uses written permission slips.Difference between seeking feedback versus validation.Recognize that personal growth involves change.Episode References/Links:The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron - https://a.co/d/02rkqdgrDare to Lead By Brené Brown - https://a.co/d/04SQU1mLEp. 15 with Erika Quest - https://beitpod.com/ep15Ep. 319 with Nikole Mitchell - https://beitpod.com/ep319Ep. 400 Gay Hendricks - https://beitpod.com/ep400Habit Series - https://lesleylogan.co/?s=habitReal Brave & Unstoppable - https://beitpod.com/source1The Art of Giving Yourself Permission - https://beitpod.com/source26 Ways to Give Yourself Permission - https://beitpod.com/source3Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  According to wonder within the path to permission is not an easy one. It's rocky, complicated and cold, and can even be confusing because we have to unlearn and untangle. Lesley Logan 0:10  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:52  Hello, be it, babe. Well, welcome back to our series on permission. On our Tuesday episode. If you missed it, we were talking about like, what is asking for permission? Look like, where does it come from? Why do we do this? I shared some stories. Some of you had sent me some great stories of your own. I love that you're loving that I'm doing this solo episode on this. And please keep sending your questions in your topic requests in, be it pod.com/questions you can also send your wins in there as well. Maybe you have a win that you stopped asking for permission. I'd love to know that. But be it pod.com/questions, is where you can send in all those things. I'm hopeful to have some more different topics. We could do a couple episodes on, just to kind of go deeper on some of these things. I'm hearing our amazing guests give us, BE IT action items on they're like, don't ask permission. Just do it. It's like, well, what the fuck did like you mean, just do it easy. Easy for them to say they weren't raised to put other people's needs before their own. They weren't raised to go, like, to not seek approval from others. They weren't raised to not like, look crazy, right? So they aren't constantly hearing just different things, where people go, oh, you believe she did that? She's so greedy. I mean, they gave, they've they gave the team a locker room on Tuesdays and Thursdays now, they went on Saturdays too? Like, those are things we pick up when we're children and teenagers and young adults. We pick up on these things where people are saying things mostly about women, about when they step outside those traditional roles when they do something against the grain. And I'm not saying you have to go be against the grain. What I am saying is you can't be it till you see it. If you're waiting for someone else's permission to start being it, you have to give it to yourself. But how do we do that? So let me go to my notes, and in my research, I have sources, so we put those in the show notes as well. There's some really great reading in Psychology Today and all these different things, so it's pretty great. Lesley Logan 2:44  Okay, so now we know we are often conditioned to ask for permission, and in the last episode, I do want to highlight, we did talk about the permission gap. We also talked about the signs to close it. So the gap is basically the gap between, like, what we want and what we think people's needs are, and then putting their needs in front of our own. And so we're kind of all and so we're kind of always in the negative for what we need, and then we're asking for permission to give ourselves what those needs are. So, according to Wonder Within, the path to permission is not an easy one. It's rocky, complicated and cold, and can even be confusing because we have to unlearn and untangle. So on Tuesday, I challenged you, I gave you a bunch of different signs, feelings, examples of like, what like, what permission looks like, asking permission looks like. And so hopefully able to explore that and now means we have to unlearn and untangle. If you listen to the series that came out starting in December of 2025 we did a whole habit series we talked about in one of the episodes, all about unraveling a bad habit, and that is in air quotes, and it's really, truly unraveling. It's not breaking it. I was very specific on that, because we do have to unravel. We have to understand, like, what's the prompt? And I will say this unraveling, untangling the habit of asking for permission is advanced habit making, because you have to be aware of yourself asking for permission. It's not the same as I want to build a habit of running around the block in the morning that is very tangible. It's easier for your brain to go, oh, I went around the block this morning, versus catching yourself asking for permission or filling the need to ask for permission, because that's a psychological habit, and you'll have to have that self awareness. So I just want to say it might take longer than you think, okay, but definitely check out that episode. So permission to become to be till you see, it might be the biggest work that we have to do. That's what I believe. After doing all this research, I'm like, oh my God, I feel like I need a permission slip expert. It may include working with a trauma informed therapist, a somatic worker. So even with all the suggestions that I'm about to give you, I want you to understand that if you need extra support, that is okay, okay. It is really, really okay. And I need you to know that it's okay and you're not asking for permission when you hire an expert in trauma or like somatic work or therapy or any kind because. That's actually saying, hi, I need help. That's not you asking for permission, right? Lesley Logan 5:04  Hey, so I told you in the last episode about when I wanted to I thought about becoming a Pilates instructor. Like, I was like, I had this thing, this thought, and I recognize now that I was kind of asking for permission to belong, for permission to fit into the Pilates role. Because, to be honest, at the time, there was not Pilates instructors who did not discover Pilates from dancing. So that felt so weird. Also, I knew I couldn't afford the comprehensive training, so I was gonna start the mat training then save up my money for comprehensive training, which I did a year later. And I remember thinking like, Oh, my God, maybe I can't do it because, like, I can't do the whole thing at the same time. And so I do recall asking for permission, right? I remember being in vintage and basically just saying, Well, tell me what to do. I'll just do whatever you want me to do, which is just me asking for permission so that I can do be the thing that belongs. Because we all want to belong. Sometimes we're just like, hey, just how do I be perfect so I can not get kicked out of this group because we just want to belong. But really, and what they challenged me with is like, Oh no, we're not going to tell you what to do. You're going to figure you've got to feel what you need to do. It's got to be intuitive. It's got to be something that you understand for your body. And oh, my god, that is permission from them to be in my body, which is not something any teacher had given me. All the teachers before had been like, do it like this. You do it like this. And just telling me what to do, and that was kind of my whole life, right, covering perfectious over achiever, lots of people telling me the right thing to do, and just following the checklist and following the path. And so I had a whole adult life. Thank God for Pilates and the curiosity that gave me start going, oh, look at me. Like not checking a box here with a smile on my face. So think about one thing that you have been wanting could be as small as a food craving for today's lunch, or as big as an idea you want to take action on. So you're thinking about it. Got it in your head, what is keeping you from taking the next step?Lesley Logan 6:57  How much permission do you feel you have or don't have. Who decides how much permission you do or don't have? Is it possible that they are irrelevant? In my case, the people that I thought I needed permission from was the world of Pilates, they didn't even know me. They're so irrelevant. They didn't even know me, right? I was giving so much power to a bunch of people I didn't even know existed. So can you give yourself permission? Take a deep breath, right? A deep breath, if you've listened to episode 400 about upper limiting sometimes we get outside of our comfort zone, and then wild things come through worry. Do you feel some worry right now? Worry is a sign of upper limiting to pull you back into your comfort zone, right? Self-deprecating can be so I'll just want to, like go through those questions one more time. So what's something you want to be taking action on or wanting or desiring, no matter how small it is. Okay? So what's keeping you from taking that step or trying that thing or ordering that thing? How much permission do you feel you need you have or don't have for that who decides how much permission you do or don't have, and is it possible that they are relevant. Can you give yourself permission? So Brené Brown gives herself permission slips. It's actually in her book, dare to lead. She said, I give myself permission slips. And they say, I give myself permission to blank. So to make mistakes, to rest. I love this. I think this is a really great way to close that gap and to get rid of the habit of asking for permission is just to give, like literally write yourself permission slips. So if you remember my dear friend Nikole, whose last name is escaping me, sorry, team, she said two episodes, oh my god. Why is it not coming up anyway? So she talked about, in the first episode about all the different post it notes that she put around her house affirmations, and then she'd take them down because people are coming over, because she didn't want any single person to be able to give her any nagging thing that would remove the permission she'd given herself. So maybe you need to put little permission slips everywhere. I give myself permission to try a new outfit today. I give myself permission to make a mistake. I give myself permission to go a different route. I would give myself permission to ask that person for that thing. I give myself permission to rest. I give myself permission to turn off my phone. I give myself permission to not respond. Lesley Logan 9:31  So use clear and powerful language to empower yourself. That's really, really important. Affirmations are really helpful. So this one will start kind of the same way. I give myself permission to be successful. I give myself permission to be authentic. I give myself permission to pursue my dreams, right? So affirmations can also be helpful in also going with what Brené Brown's mission slips are. You can do a meditation. So this meditation is really easy one. You can take your hands, put them on your heart, close your eyes and say, I've got this or you've got this beautiful right, hands on the heart, eyes closed, you've got this beautiful. It's one of Fridays. The episodes I give you as an affirmation, I say it three times. I'm hoping you're saying it out loud with me. I'm giving you a second to do that. I want you to give yourself permission to have that affirmation to be it till you see it. And of course, journaling. Journaling is always a great thing. Look like you'd be surprised what comes out of your head when you journal. I like free writing. If you haven't done the book The Artist's Way, it's 12 weeks of journaling prompts and really will help you peel back the onion of why you're asking for permission in the first place, especially if you go into the book with that in mind, you're going to start to like, answer those questions with those thoughts, and it's going to give you a whole host of information. It's such a great thing to do. You can do it annually. You can do it more often than once, but it's really, really great. I highly recommend it. Lesley Logan 10:59  Okay, so tips for cultivating self-permission. So here's some other tips and tools you can use. So accept 100% responsibility. This is very difficult for some people, because that means responsibility for your own mistakes as well, but acknowledge that you are responsible for your own life, actions and responses. This shifts you from a victim mindset to one of empowerment, removing the blame, shame and guilt game. So what happens when you accept responsibility? It means you cannot you're not asking for cannot. You're not asking permission for people. It also means you can't say, oh, my kids wouldn't let me do Pilates today. Gotta accept 100 responsibility, right, radical responsibility,Lesley Logan 11:31  Another thing. Let go of the need for external approval. Recognize that relying on others for validation can prevent you from trusting your own judgment. I think that's really, really true. I got a medical diagnosis that isn't bad, don't freak out, but it's, it's not great either. And I'm a verbal processor, so I I like to talk about it to kind of, like, understand how I'm feeling, and it's interesting. Like, what I talked about with, like, some people my wife, are like, well, whatever you need, you can recover here. You could do this thing. Brad's like, so you're thinking about doing this. Like, it wasn't, I wasn't asking for permission. I was just, like, talking about it, right? And then I had another friend I was sharing it with, and they were almost talking me out of the thing. I remember going, what the fuck, right? So it made me go, ugh, because I was a little annoyed that she wasn't like, like everybody else. But then I was like, Wait, why do I care what she thinks, right? So it's interesting thing. There's like, just start to recognize when you're relying on the validations of other people and that, and then their lack of validation that causes you to think differently. Now, by the way, it's okay that she has me think differently. It really made me go back and kind of research what she was saying and making sure that, like, I almost got more secure in my decision because of it. So it's also fine to talk things out, but just notice, or maybe what she said could have got me to go, oh, maybe I don't need to do that. Those are all fine things, but just it's a very different thing from getting feedback versus validation. There are two different things. Lesley Logan 12:51  Embrace imperfection and mistakes, so give yourself permission to be human, to be wrong and to learn from what doesn't work. Viewing failures as lessons, not torture, is crucial for growth, and I think this is really, really important. Really important in my journey of just like become a recovering perfectionist and overachiever, it's really helped me to not need permission, because I'm not trying to be perfect to the thing, and I'm allowing myself to learn and ask questions and be a human being who doesn't fail, but actually learns and then makes adjustments along the way. It's kind of like a route right when you're driving, and the map is like, go here. And then it's like, oh, we found a faster route. You didn't go, ugh, MapQuest. You're an asshole. You fucked up the last one. No, you just go, wow, thanks for getting better at what you do. You're just like, look at this app. So great. Like, we don't go, oh, my God, they got it wrong. No, we go, oh, they're like improving every time. Lesley Logan 13:44  Set boundaries. Is vital to give yourself permission to say no to things that don't serve you, even if it makes others uncomfortable, this protects your time and energy for what truly matters to you. Erika Quest, she's been on the pod, we were talking the other day about, like, when people invite us to different things, like, we ask ourselves, is this more, or is it better? But more? Is it better? And if it's just more, then it's probably no, it's better. Gonna make my impact better? Gonna make me a better person? Then, yeah, I'll look into it. Lesley Logan 14:10  Okay, listen to your own intuition. So reconnect with your inner voice and trust your gut feelings. The more you exercise permission muscle, the louder and clearer becomes. I am going to have a whole series on how to listen to your inner voice, so I'm not going to go deeper on that that will be coming up in a few weeks. Hey, be curious, not judgmental. So approach your feelings and experiences with curiosity rather than fear or judgment. Label your emotions to understand them better, which is a gateway to healing and growth. Lesley Logan 14:41  Prioritize self-care and rest. Oh, hi, hello. Give yourself permission to rest, to recharge and enjoy life without guilt. Integrating self-care rituals into your daily routine helps make it a habit. Listen to the habit series so you have even better chance of doing that. But my goodness, you've got to prioritize your self-care so you get rid of that permission gap. And it's not that I'm like, You're not going to help other people or you're not going to care about them. It's just that, like, you can't care about them before your own air mask is on first. Hello. Lesley Logan 15:07  Allow yourself to pivot. Recognize that personal growth involves change. Give yourself permission to change your mind, career or life direction if an old path no longer aligns with your evolving self. I mean, heck, you might have asked for permission to do something and someone talked you out of it, the thing you want to do, and now you're doing the thing that they gave you permission to do. So you're probably going to have to evolve, pivot, change things. And I would say, be nice to yourself. Have grace and space for recognizing that because, my goodness, everything you learn on that path is what's going to make you even better on the path that you're on now. So please be kind. Lesley Logan 15:38  Another way to give yourself permission is, what's the cost of your inaction? What is the cost of doing nothing? What is the cost of not doing the thing you want to do? I want to dive deeper into that, into next week's episode with Dr. Corey. So, definitely be watching out for that interview, because I promise you, it's going to be so good. But I was like, oh my God. Yes, and I'm so glad that we talked about that in her episode. And keep in mind, after years of second guessing, after years of asking permission, for permission, it can be hard to trust yourself and believe you've got this. Lesley Logan 16:10  So consider this permission to be you to be it till you see it. No one but you defines the scope of what's possible, and no one but you can dare to believe that you can be it till you see it. No one but you can define the scope of what's possible, and no one but you can dare to believe that you can be it till you see it. I promise you that you are amazing. You don't need my permission to be it till you see it, but you might need my reminder that you can. And I hope each and every week, you say that to yourself as well. All right, babe, until next time, be it till you see it. Lesley Logan 16:41  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. Brad Crowell 17:24  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 17:28  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co. Brad Crowell 17:33  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.  Lesley Logan 17:40  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals. Brad Crowell 17:45  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Are you waiting for a green light that's never going to come? This week, Lesley Logan dives into the "permission gap", the space between what you actually want and the action you take, often filled with self-doubt and a perceived need for validation. Whether it's the habit of using a partner as a polite excuse to say no or constantly asking, "Does that make sense?," seeking approval is a cycle that keeps you playing small. Lesley shares how a "mean" sixth-grade teacher taught her about agency and why your language needs an audit. It's time to stop second-guessing and start owning your choices. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The "badass" lesson Lesley learned from her sixth-grade teacher.Understanding the permission gap and its roots in social conditioning.Spotting "yellow flag" phrases that signal you are seeking approval.How internalized misogyny keeps women from asserting their own agency.Reclaiming power by shifting from "can't afford" to intentional choices.Episode References/Links:The Permission Gap - https://beitpod.com/thepermissiongapWhy Women Need Permission - https://beitpod.com/whywomenneedpermissionPleasure and Permission - https://beitpod.com/right2desireEp. 241 withDr. Celeste Holbrook - https://beitpod.com/ep241Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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You don't need permission from men. You don't need anybody's permission except for your own. Lesley Logan 0:13  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:56  Hey, Be It babe. How are you? Oh my god. Welcome to our week. My solo series is going to be on permission. And this has actually come from some people on my team who were listening to the pod. It's like a permission to be, permission to become, and it made us go, like, so why do we feel like we need permission? Right? What's going on there? So this, today's episode, is going to be on like, why do we feel like we need permission? Especially for my lady listeners out there, and there's a few good men, and I think it's important that you kind of, I think you should listen to this, because I think it's important you might understand, like, why we are the way we are. It just makes you a better human, right? And then on Thursday, instead of a recap episode, it's actually going to be on, how do we stop second guessing ourselves, so that we're we're not needing to ask permission, because we're not second guessing ourselves, right? So in doing this research, I found some really great resources. And so we'll also have links to my sources in the episode show notes. But I just kind of was thinking about this place. So I remember, in the sixth grade, I had a teacher. Her name is Mrs. Scott. She had lots of plans. It was a great was a great classroom. She looked a little scary. I'm not gonna lie, like, who's older? I've been teaching for like, 40 years, by the time I got there and she said, you can't ask can I go to the bathroom with me? In fact, if you ever say can I do something, I'm going to ask you. I don't know, can you? And I remember thinking, like, what a stickler. Why is she so mean? And now, as I was researching this episode, I was like, what a fucking badass she was. Like, how cool that she was making sure that as a sixth grader, we are understanding that we could go to the bathroom on our own. We didn't need to ask permission if we could go to the bathroom, we need to ask permission to leave. Like, the question was actually like, may I go to the bathroom, is what she wanted us to understand. So like, may I do X, Y and Z, because she's like, you are completely capable of doing these things. And so it's really interesting how in our lives, especially as when we learn by looking at people's facial expressions and emotions, the sound in their voice, we're seeking out permission, right? Like, oh, is it safe to be here? Is it safe do these things? Am I safe to do this? And then because of that, it also just starts to roll into all the things that we do on a daily basis. And so we start finding ourselves, like asking permission for a lot of things. And so in the research I was doing, there are some really great anecdotal stories of people in the author's lives who used to be like their parent or role model, and then how that shifted to them asking permission as well. And I just found it really interesting how easy it is for that to become some sort of like, habit's the wrong word, but just like, maybe it's the right word, but just because part of our daily life. And you know, I used to work in retail before, as a Pilates instructor and even as a Pilates instructor I would hear this thing where people would go, mostly women, I need to ask my husband, I need to ask my partner, I need to ask my spouse. And it was interesting, because most of these people were not like housewives who had no job, and this was not their income. And by the way, like it's another conversation. But also, you know, if you are the house manager, you are allowing the person who's making that money to be able to make that money, because you're making their life so much easier. They don't have to do all these things. But that's a different story. But these are women who like brought income in as well. And so it was just really interesting to me. And I will say, whenever I say I need to ask my husband, is because I actually haven't made a decision and or I'm trying to nicely say no to you, but I don't want to say no yet, so I will say I it's a nice phrase to use, but I just remember thinking like, do they have to ask? Is this something they're asking permission for? They really love it. I remember them like loving how they looked in a purse or a necklace, like, just absolutely loving it, and then asking, like, hey, what do you think? And then that person going, I think you can look better in this. And then just, like, not getting the thing they want and getting the other thing. And I just remember going, oh, this is going to not be used, or it's going to be returned, because they really want the other thing, right? And so at any rate, why is this happening? Why are these women mostly asking for permission to be, to like, to desire, to have to own so let's get into it. Lesley Logan 5:08  First, these are some questions that I thought would be fun for you to journal about, post, ponder on this week. What leads me to seek social approval before making a decision? Is it a personality trait? Could it be a lack of self-esteem, or is biology a factor? So I kind of thought that that would be fun for you to think about for your own personal thing, like, do you feel a tendency to seek approval, social approval before making a decision? Is it part of your personality? Do you think it's because you're not sure about trusting yourself, or is it is biology a factor? So there's something that's going to come up in this topic as well, and in the research, it talks about permission gap. And so permission gap is a phenomenon stemming from socialization that emphasizes the caretaking and prioritizing others' needs over personal desires. So basically, we tend to think that we need to ask if we can do something, or before we do something, seek out permission or approval because we believe or feel we should be putting other people's needs before our own needs and our own desires. And so if we're going to do something that could be something that's more for ourselves, prioritizing ourselves first, then we feel like we need permission, like, hey, can I do this thing? I'll say, just before I hit record, Brad and I were redoing the schedule, and we are recording a podcast tomorrow night, when we'd normally be at the gym. And I didn't say, hey, can I go to the gym in the morning? He normally goes to the gym with me on Wednesday nights. Didn't go, hey, can I go in the gym in the morning? I just said, hey, I'm gonna go to the gym in the morning, right? And I was like, that could be taken as rude. I can see how some people would think that is rude. But also, like, he knows that getting my Wednesday workout in is a priority for me. With a very, very busy schedule, there's no other place we can move it. And I hope he knows. I'd love for him to come. But I also know he's not gonna get up at seven in the morning. He's not gonna do it. That's what we do it on Wednesday nights. So I will say I do understand that sometimes some of the things that I say or do can sound a little rude to people on the outside. And so I can understand why sometimes we use permission as a way asking permission as a way to just like, be thoughtful. But I do think it's important to know that you're doing what you're doing, otherwise you are living in this permission gap, this phenomenon stemming from socialization that emphasizes the caretaking and prioritizing of other needs and, others' needs and over our personal desires. So maybe you don't think you need permission, that's also possible. Hopefully that's true. But I also just wanted to bring up some phrases that you might be saying or thinking that could actually be like a, like a, like a yellow flag that you're asking for permission, which is, like, have you ever said, I've always wanted to blank, like, I've always wanted to go on a trip by myself. I've always wanted to learn how to do X, Y and Z. I've always wanted to try that. I've always wanted to buy that. I've always wanted to explore this. I've always wanted to if that is something that you are pondering, then somewhere along the way, you either didn't ask or didn't feel like you had permission to do the thing, right? And sometimes it means, like you just didn't have the time or the money at the time, that that's also true. But like, if you've always wanted to go back and get a doctorate, what is stopping you? Is it social approval? Okay, then we need to look at that. You know. Is it lack of self-esteem? We need to look at that. Is it a biology factor like, or is it like, hey, lack of time and money right now? But also, is it lack of time and money because we're giving it to other people and prioritizing their needs over ours? Is it? Have you ever said I stopped myself because. I stopped myself from buying that thing, from doing that thing, I, from trying that thing, from signing up for that thing. I stopped myself because. You know, I have a lot of friends and family who, I hear them say, like, oh, I was gonna do that, but I didn't because. And it's usually because of somebody else. Someone else was coming to town, someone else was doing this. A lot of people who want to be more consistent in Pilates, but they aren't, because there's always so many things coming up. I mean, like, literally, my schedule is never the same week to week. It is not possible. So I literally had to say to the team between I don't do anything before 9:15 am and I am done with my day at 4:30 you have to fit everything into that, because I need to know that I can before 9:15 and after 4:30 I can do whatever I need to do, right? I need to know that. So it's really, really important that you're just kind of taking notice, do a little audit about what you're saying, about what you're not doing that you didn't do. Now, look, if you didn't want to do it, then don't do it. You don't even need permission from me to do that, right?Lesley Logan 9:39  Or do you ever feel you need someone to tell you it's going to be okay? Like, do you seek support because maybe you think your idea or how you're feeling is crazy? Are you secretly wanting someone to stop you? Like, are you asking permission because actually you are secretly wanting someone to stop you from doing it? Right? So I thought this was really funny when I was like researching for this, so I remember, I can, I can tell you where I was in LA, driving my car when the woman who taught me Pilates, her name is Julie, she's my first Pilates instructor in LA, when she taught me Pilates, I could barely afford it, so I was going every other week for a duet, and then I was doing as much as I could remember, on the mat at home, in between, and eventually I was able to afford a weekly duet, which is very was a challenge for me but I was able to do it, and I had this like inkling, I was like, I wonder, I wonder if I could learn how to teach the mat work, and then I could teach it at her studio, and that could pay for my Pilates sessions. And I remember like, being on a call with her, and she's talking about, like, buying the studio from the other owner, and she's really excited, and like, what that means. And I was like, um, you think, like, it's gonna it'd be okay if I, like, like, taught mat classes? And then she said, oh my god, Lesley, you need to become a teacher, like, but I remember needing at that time, the Lesley at that time, needed permission to become a Pilates instructor, because I honestly thought I was a little bit crazy. Part of me maybe wanted me to for them to talk to stop me, like before, I invested in something I couldn't afford, right? But, like, I definitely was asking permission to belong in the Pilates teaching community at that time, because I went to school for communications, right? So I definitely know that there's parts of my life that was, I was absolutely asking for permission, especially the younger me, especially the way, and I'll tell you, you'll see why, because I'm going to go over some primary reasons why we're asking for permission. But like, you know, obviously, the more comp you get, the more you do things, the less you feel like you need approval from others. And I do think that after 40, like, there are certain fucks that go away. And then I've heard after 50, even you have even less fucks to give. But like, hopefully, right? Hopefully, we have future versions of us that ask for less permission. But I remember that Lesley, I think that was, was in 2007 and I did my first training in 2008 so you know that how old was I then, oh my god, like 25 right? So anyways, like I remember needing needing approval and permission to make that leap. Lesley Logan 12:09  So let's go into some primary reasons why, and just see which ones of these resonate with you. So societal conditioning and gender roles. From a young age, many women are taught to be nurturing and pleasing, often prioritizing family and partners over their own ambitions or needs. The social conditioning makes pursuing more feel selfish or unnatural. This for sure, I'm definitely, I'm the oldest child. I definitely took care of my siblings. I remember one of the times I got in trouble I didn't do one of the chores that I was assigned, but that chore couldn't get done unless my siblings had done their chores. And so because they hadn't done their chores, I couldn't do mine. So I did this other thing that I wanted to do. I read the book. I loved, loved to read. I got in so much trouble because, like, I should have made sure they got their chores done, right? And so just remembering these things when you're a child these different things, it's societal condition. Now, are my parents assholes? No, of course not. They're just being parents, doing the best they can, and making mistakes along the way. But it's interesting how we pick up on things like, oh, well, I better not read for myself next time, because I should be making sure they're doing what they're supposed to be doing. Okay, next example, the good woman, ideal and guilt. There's a lingering cultural narrative that suggests women should be grateful for what they have, leading to the feelings of guilt or shame when they desire more. And this is a really interesting right? Like, you can see it in lots of different things, like the time I'm recording this, you know, I watched the women's hockey team for the Olympics like win gold, and also, by the way, that women's hockey has not been in the Olympics, and since, you know, it's only been there since the 90s, and then since then, like we've medaled so much, medaled as much as the men, in a much shorter period of time, right? And when you look at how women's sports are supported, they're supported United States because of Title IX, which means that money has to be invested in women's sports if there's men's sports. And so it means that, you know, on subconscious levels, like everything that we're wanting is because of somebody else so we should be so grateful. We should be so thankful. And when women do often ask for more, they're often told, like, people label them like terrible things, like she's money hungry, or she's, you know, what is? What they call people who like climb the ladder or like and they take other they seem people as like they're taking people down, but they don't say the same thing about a man doing the same thing, right? So we we learn to be what a good woman is, and should be just grateful that we have that. Another reason why you might be asking for permission is fear of judgment. Women often fear being perceived as demanding, selfish or too much when they vocalize their desires. This stems from a culture that often judges women who step outside traditional roles. 100% I think we could all remember an example of either ourselves or someone we know who did something and somebody said something about them. Sometimes they're often compared to another woman who didn't do that thing. And it's like, well, she didn't do it, and so now they're pinning women against women. And of course, you're like, well, I guess when you compare those two, then she is too selfish. But like, is she? Is she? Do they do that with men? Lesley Logan 15:16  Lack of representation. A lack of role models who are unapologetic about their desires, can make women feel that they need to wait for approval, validation or the right time, the right time. Oh, we just got to wait for the right time. You know, like, no, I don't remember anybody, any male in my life, cousins, brother, being told to, like, wait for the right time. Oh, go get it. Why don't you go get it. Why don't you go talk to them? Why don't you go put yourself out there, right? Oh, Lesley, be careful. You don't want to talk too much. Oh, you don't want to be too loud. Yeah. So this is the permission gap. So this is the space between what a woman wants and what she actually does, often filled with self-doubt and the belief that someone else needs to validate her worth. So, space between what a woman wants and what she actually does. She wants to go back to school, but she stays home to care for everybody, because asking for help or asking for people in her community to take Tuesdays and she'll take Wednesdays. Well, who? Why would she be able to do that? Who is she? Is she selfish? Right? Need for safety and responsiveness. In sexual relational context, women often need to feel safe and emotionally connected to access their desires, because they may not feel comfortable acting on their own. They may wait for a partner to initiate or create the right conditions. So this one I put in there, I just wanted to keep it because permission to be often, when you do research, you'll see that there's a lot of permission to feel worthy, permission to be able to fill their desires. Desires can be sexual, but also you could just desire to have a better life, right? Desire means a lot of different things, but I will say, if you are having any like not having to understand what you truly desire when it comes to sexual needs, please look at our episodes with Dr. Celeste Holbrook and please read her book, especially those who are raised in the church and purity culture being kind, even if your parents weren't super serious about it, there are definitely things we could talk about, and permission to feel desirable if you were at all raised around purity culture in any way. Lesley Logan 17:22  All right, last one or primary reasons why you might feel like you need permission. Internalized misogyny, a patriarchal culture that often devalues female desires, can lead to women minimizing their own needs, which in turn fuels a need for external permission to assert their own agency. I think we all know some women have internalized misogyny. I can think of a bunch of women in our political government right now, and it's annoying, because, okay, well, great, you're a pick me girl, like you're in but you think they're going to care for you. You think they're going to take care of you? No. You think that when you have an idea it's going to be used? No. You're gonna have to push it through some other male, right? So, like, internalized misogyny is something that honestly can happen without your own decision, right? Because it happens because of society. It happens because of the patriarchal culture. And so unless you can get yourself out of that situation, you might not even see what you're doing. And so I highly recommend, if you have you felt a lot of misogyny surrounding you, you might need to go find some really great women who can show you like you don't need to live under those rules. You don't need permission from men. You don't need anybody's permission except for your own. But let's be real, that is harder to do. That's what we're gonna talk about, episode two, we're gonna definitely get into how to stop second guessing yourself, because just saying, okay, here's all these things. This is why it's so hard for us, this is so hard for you to not ask for permission. Doesn't mean you're just be able to ask for, like, stop asking for permission. These are habits you have. These are things you say, like, you automatically will say when something's expensive, say I can't afford that instead of saying, oh, I'm not investing in that right now, that is something I'm really, really proud of, like, how I changed my tune on that, instead of when something was more like, is more money that I have, instead of saying I can't afford that, I'm not investing in that right now, or that's more than I want to invest in that project, or that's more than I want to invest in that thing right now. All of that makes it a choice versus I'm a victim. I can't afford it right now, right? It means I'm not asking for permission to buy something. I'm asking I'm stating why I'm not buying the thing. I don't need the permission. So it takes time. So just being mindful, and I think having the awareness first and foremost, of like, the things that you're saying, the things that you're doing, just take a notice, like, maybe this week, what you're noticing is like, how often am I asking for permission, if I look good, or if this works, or if that makes sense? You know, another thing I've been working on for the last couple of years, because I heard a female CEO say this, she said, instead of saying, does that make sense? Because that's like asking permission. Did I do a good job explaining that to you? She'll say, do you have any clarifying question for me? So that way she is stating, I know I said everything you just say in the right order, in the right way, but do you have any clarifying questions that is giving them the space to ask what they need and take assertiveness, and also you're holding yourself in a space of like, I did a really great job. Oh, your questions are okay. I can see where I missed out on that. We don't need to ask permission. Does that make sense? Right? So that's something I've been really trying to work on. Lesley Logan 20:09  So, all right, here are some other things, other signs that you might be asking for permission. Have you ever talked yourself out of something because someone else might not like it? You might not be liked, it'll be difficult, you have a fear of judgment, fear people will think you're crazy. Definitely, I have asked for permission in my past because I do a lot of weird, crazy stuff, and I'm like, I'm recognizing that, and now people just know I'm a little crazy, so that's fine, but it takes some time to get your confidence up, right? That like it's okay to be crazy. Have you ever talked yourself out of doing something because someone in your life wouldn't approve? You're afraid to look silly. You won't belong. You'll upset someone. The cost, you don't feel worthy. They might say no, so you're saying no first, and then you don't want to fail, right? Fear of failure. Then it sounds like you're in a state where you feel you need permission, and you're in that permission gap. So how do we close it? Well, I think first of all, awareness is important. I think we can't close any gap without actually noticing, like, where is this permission habit coming from? Who do we learn it from? Who do we observe it from? Not to go blame them, but just so you can, kind of, like, take the control back and realize what's going on and just notice that when you're doing it, and also those dear, amazing friends that you have, like, perhaps we need to, like, say, hey, here's what I noticed about myself. I notice that I ask like, what do you think? Instead of asking, like, tell me what your excited thoughts are, and then maybe what are some concerns you have? Like, that would be fine, because now you're asking them to, like, point out pros and cons. But just like, what do you think? Especially because a lot of us as people who never think anything good will happen to us, you know, we have those family members. We've had so many guests on the on the Be It Pod, talk about like, make sure that you're aware of who you're telling your ideas to, right? Because if you're telling your amazing ideas to people who will never believe in something possible, you're going to be, basically asking permission from people who are never going to give it. Just want you to notice what your habits are, what parts of you are feeling that permission need. Yeah, and then on Thursday, we're going to talk about how to close that gap, how to trust yourself, how to give yourself permission. That will be our episode on Thursday. So I'd love to hear how you're liking these topics. If you have topics that you're wanting me to address, you can actually send it into the beitpod.com/questions to say, hey, episode topic, and we'll put in the lineup. We're still gonna have the interviews, we're still gonna have the recaps, but we thought it'd be fun to basically, in between some of these interviews, do some of these solo episodes on some topics that maybe we could just dive a little bit deeper, that sometimes it doesn't happen in an interview because the conversation goes a different way. So thank you so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 22:57  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 23:40  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 23:45  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 23:49  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 23:56  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 24:00  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Lesley Logan 24:13  So internalized misogyny, a patriarchal cultural, a patriarchal. What a shitty word. I can't even say it. A patriarchal culture that often values. Oh my lord on high. What bloopers? 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In this Friday episode of Be It Till You See It podcast, host and Pilates expert Lesley Logan challenges you to stop seeking external validation and start trusting your inner direction. Whether you are facing a massive business setback or just need a reminder to stay the course. She shares a personal story of navigating a total website blackout without the usual meltdown, proving that your reactions are the truest measure of your growth. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hey, Be It, babe. How are you? Oh my god, it's the first FYF of May, and it's on May 1st. Hi, welcome, welcome to Be It Pod's, Friday episode. Sure, quick, sweet, hopefully inspirational. Maybe it feels like we're having coffee, although it feels very one sided for you, but I want you to know that I wish you were here chatting with me. I share a win of yours, something inspirational, a win of mine, mantra for your weekend, and hopefully get you excited to hear what else we've had on the pod for the week. And we want to hear from you. We want your wins, so send them in to beitpod.com/questions, that's why you also can send your questions for us to answer on the pod. We love diving a little deeper, also based on your questions, it often lets us know what kind of guests we should have. So the inspiration from the internet, not that it's always very inspirational, but this one, somebody actually did. It's another year of the horse based on your birth month. And since it was the first of May, for those who were born in May, I thought this would be a fun inspiration for you. It's the honestly, the post is way too long for me to read all 12. So what I need you, if you're interested in yours, mine was great. I highly recommend you click the link in our show notes to go read all the posts. But for May, my birth, my may birthday is movement is essential for your growth this year. Changes in environment, routines or mindset bring clarity and renewed energy. The horse strengthens your independence and supports bold personal choices. Waiting for approval no longer feels natural to you. Everything improves when you trust your inner direction. Freedom becomes a source of confidence rather than fear. You will feel lighter as you move in alignment. And your affirmation is, I choose myself and move with confidence. So there you go. I'm gonna keep this one in my saves in case we have another like, seemingly close to the beginning of the month, FYF, because why not? Why not for the year of the horse? The whole time. We'll see I have ADHD. We'll see if I remember. Lesley Logan 2:40  Okay, a win of yours. You guys submitted these. They're so good. So this is from mymarialoisa, Pilates session with Lesley Logan that showed my husband the benefit Pilates. Maria, that was so fun. You guys, Maria came to my house and did a private session. Not very often that people get to get in because it means you're visiting Vegas when I'm home and I have time. And it was so fun to teach her. Fun to teach anyone who's, like, really excited about Joe's work. And like, not just like Pilates, but like, because I want to be a Pilates princess, but like, the actual work of Joe and how it does. And her husband came and he got to see it, and Brad, like, turned him on some things. And so I just think that like that is just going to be I'm so excited for you, Maria. I'm excited for your dreams that you have with it. I can't even wait to be updated on all of it. All right. And I have one more for you. This is from Blanca. I'm not giving up. That's a win. So the reason why I always want you guys to share wins is because I think it's important. One, you need to hear it. It always comes out a couple months after you send it in, just based on when I record these things. So we've talked about this before in FYF, like, when you hear your win, we've had people hear their wins and like, oh my god, I just heard my win, and that's a win, because I needed that reminding. We life is lifing. There's so much going on. And so I just, I just really want to shout you out. I really want to support you. I want to celebrate whatever big or small win you think you have. So thank you, ladies for sending that in. Lesley Logan 4:06  All right now, let me tell you, okay. So here we go. This is the first time I'm able to record since this happened. So this happened a while back, so you have nothing to worry about. But in March, three years after it had happened before, for different reasons, our sites were down. All of our sites, we have four, and they were all down, and means our shorteners didn't work. So if you're using our affiliate links, you couldn't even get to other people's sites with those. If you were you like, like, there's just with you couldn't buy anything, like, nothing. Our members, we were able to provide access to most of their membership, which behind the scenes, which is hard to do extra work, but here's the win. You're like, where's the win? Where's the win. So the win is, is that when my, when our ops girl, told me they were down, I was just, I mean, I said some few choices of cuss words, but no tears, no like, why is this happening to me? No like, oh my god. Where, this is the end of our business. It was just like, okay, step one, do this. Step two, do this. Step three, dadadadada. Let's just move forward. And I get, I got focused on what I had to do that day. You know, I have an amazing team who had to do a lot of extra work, and I'm so grateful for them. And the win is, like, how quickly we were able to pivot and and all these things. But for those of you who are like, I shouldn't be having this happen to me, like I really do, like, remind myself that, like, life is just an old Donkey Kong Mario Brothers game, where each level, you're introduced to a new shitty guy, and then after several levels, you end up at a castle, and then you get to experience all the little shitty guys that you already beat. And you just see like, oh, do I remember? Do I have the skills to beat them again? Because if I didn't, I have a lesson I didn't learn back there. And so I'm just really proud of how, how I was able to react and keep going, because I I had to keep going, but also because I could, because, you know, I figured out how to go, oh, this is the world is not imploding on me. This is a fixable problem. How do we align with our values and then move forward? And I'm just really grateful for all of our members who rolled with it and were patient with everything and enjoy their classes and coaching and replays in all different ways. Thank you. And we're and now, because it happened, our sites are doing even better. They're moving even faster and like, so sometimes they're not even a bad thing. Like, that's a win. So anyways, that's my win, not freaking out and wanting to quit my job. Lesley Logan 6:25  All right, so your mantra for the weekend is, I attract positive opportunities. I attract positive opportunities. Yes, you do. You attract positive opportunities. My love, go have a great weekend. Thanks for being here. Definitely check out our interviews and episodes for this week. We're really proud of what we're putting out. It's because of your recommendations, your suggestions, your wants, and what you're hoping to grow and be it till you see you. So with that said, go Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 6:55  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. Brad Crowell 7:37  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 7:43  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 7:47  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 7:54  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 7:58  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Lesley Logan 8:11  And renewed energy, the horth, the horth, the horse.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

When was the last time you made a decision that fit for you? Performance coach and creative business strategist Shari Teigman joins Lesley Logan to pull back the curtain on the chaotic beauty of perimenopause. Shari specializes in helping high-achieving people stop following outdated templates to finally start listening to their own internal rhythm. This episode is a permission slip to stop holding everyone else's baggage, how to move from fear to curiosity, and start making decisions that actually serve the woman you are becoming today. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Navigating the "not this" phase to rediscover your true identity.Why perimenopause is the best time for deep internal decluttering.The "red shoe" analogy for carrying other people's emotional baggage.How to transition from paralyzing fear to productive, playful curiosity.Using internal contradictions to stop lying to your own nervous system.Episode References/Links:Shari Teigman Website - https://shariteigman.comShari Teigman Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/shariteigmanThe Maverick Way: A Field Guide to Coming Undone on Purpose - https://sharidteigman.ac-page.com/TheMaverickWayPrelaunch?test=trueFemGevity - femgevityhealth.comBig Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert - elizabethgilbert.com/books/big-magicTiny Habits by BJ Fogg - tinyhabits.com/bookWhat to Expect When You're Expecting by Heidi Murkoff - https://a.co/d/0j80fU42Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsGuest Bio:Shari Teigman serves as a catalyst for high achievers who are ready to dismantle the status quo and reclaim their individuality. As a performance mentor and strategist, she guides leaders through the process of unlearning rigid structures to make room for radical, creative breakthroughs. Shari is best known for her ability to cut through the noise with a blend of sharp strategic insight and a "Maverick" spirit, encouraging her clients to stop adjusting to external pressures and start building lives that resonate with their core values.Beyond her strategic work, Shari is a dedicated advocate for personal sovereignty, helping global professionals navigate the complex intersection of high-level performance and emotional well-being. By challenging the traditional "resiliency" narrative, she provides the tools necessary to move from a state of constant survival into one of intentional, authentic growth. Whether she is addressing the mental shifts of perimenopause or the hurdles of international business, Shari's mission is to ensure that success never comes at the cost of self-recognition. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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You call it your culture, your religion, your family, your blah, blah, blah. And you open up this bag and it's filled with shit you don't know, so you have no room for new stuff.Lesley Logan 0:18  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:57  All right, Be It babe, get ready. Get your notes out if you're driving, Get your ears on. This is an interview I was stoked to have, and I'm even more excited for it to be in your ears right now than I could have imagined. Shari Teigman is our guest today. She is the coach for Mavericks. But really, truly, you high flying women that listen to this podcast who are going through perimenopause, maybe already there may be on the other side, but when I talk about being it until you see it, sometimes you're like, well, who am I? Now? We are going to dive into so many different amazing tools, tats. There's going to be nuggets that are going to just go that hit right where I needed it to. You will relisten to this episode. I know it's great. We did record during Mercury in Retrograde. So there are a couple of times where I think there might be a blip in the audio. I promise you you didn't miss anything. So please bear with the three of those that happen if my team didn't get rid of them and and just know that like the magic is here, and it's very much worth listening to, and relistening to and sharing with a girlfriend of yours who needs to hear it. So here is Shari Teigman. Lesley Logan 2:06  All right, Be It babe. So here's the deal. I have been kind of stalking this woman for a bit through the socials, and when I saw her and what she raves about, I was like, oh, we have to have her on the be it pod. She is exactly what you guys need to hear today and probably repeat this episode. We haven't had it yet, but I have a feeling there's gonna be some nuggets you're gonna want to relisten to. So Shari Teigman, tell everyone who you are and what you rock at. Shari Teigman 2:30  I would say I feel pressure, but I don't. I'm just excited. So thank you for having me. I'm very excited to be here and stalking right back. So I always love finding a friend on the interwebs that sounds and moves like me. Well, you move better than I do, Pilates and all, but the energy, the excitement and the passion for life and a lot of realness as well. So I am a performance coach and a creative business strategist, and I help people unleash the Maverick within them. So it's stopping following everyone else's bullshit templates and moving into a space where you're listening to your own gut, you're following your own rules, and it doesn't mean you're rebelling against anything, and it doesn't mean you have to be angry at everyone. You know the stage of life can come with a little perimenopausal rage, which is always welcome in my world. But I work with both men and women to find a beat of their own drums so that they don't have to be checking in everyone's yards to see what they're doing and measuring themselves non stop. We're not in high school. I didn't do it in high school. I'm certainly not doing it now. So that is the fire that I like to bring to the world.Lesley Logan 3:27  Oh, I love that, and I love how clear you are in what you do. And I'm sure many people's ears perked up on the menopausal race, all that stuff, because I think, like one of the things that so I started doing this podcast years ago, and I'm like, I know who I am and people are trying to figure out why I'm so confident, and really, it's just because I do things scared. But then, like, you know, you start to get past 40, and you're like, why am I freaking out? Well, who? Why am I (inaudible). Shari Teigman 3:52  Fearless me? Lesley Logan 3:54  Yeah, why, why am I hesitating? Like, what? What is happening and and like, in being until I see it, it's like, wow, this is, like, a lifelong thing. Thank goodness I like doing this. But also, but also, like, it is interesting to get to know yourself again when you especially for the women who love the show and who we attract, who thought they did, and now they're like, kind of feeling like my girlfriend said today that she feels like she has, like, sea legs.Shari Teigman 4:20  Yeah, it's so nice of you to call it interesting, to get us to know ourselves, because I have some other choice words for the state of life while I accept it and rage, it's fascinating. And may not get all metaphysical here, and you're going to have to drag me into a crone phase of my life. I don't plan on going lightly or gracefully, but there is the no shits given point where we do get to course correct and say, okay, for those of us who did know ourselves for the past 15, 20, 30 years to check in that that's still what we want, or the identifications are still valid and accurate and have not expired just because everyone else like someone they work for everyone else. So it's a real face to the fire moment of I say I'm all these things. I better check in that I still am because I'm too tired and can't remember anything to pretend I'm something that I'm not. So I think it's a real truth telling phase. And like I said, I'm not planning on getting old and wise, but I will be loud and old and happy, fun. I just got to get through this can't remember my name thing, and then, you know, carry on to the next chapter. Lesley Logan 5:28  The other day, I saw this thing, and the guy was on Instagram, and the guy was like, hey, you meet someone who was born in 1995 and it's, they're 30 years old. And you're like, that's interesting. I'm 30 years old. And then I'm like, weird. And then I was like, wait, oh, I'm not I. I just keep thinking that I am.Shari Teigman 5:45  Yes, my eldest son turned 26 and I am not okay because I'm 22 and I'm not good at math, but that is not math. That is off, all off. Lesley Logan 5:50  So you said we have to, like, check in with ourselves. And I think that that is, like, a brilliant thing that no one has told us to do, right? Like, as you grow up, everyone's like, what do you want to be when you grow up? And then you go to school to be that thing, and you're like, check the box. And I think all the high flyers are good box checkers. Like, check this box and check that box and and so we've checked all the boxes, and then we get to a place, it's like, but how do you check in? Like, you add more boxes. What? What did you do, Shari? Like, how do you check in to see if these are the things you still want?Shari Teigman 6:22  So it's a long answer, Lesley. Lesley Logan 6:24  I'll take it. Shari Teigman 6:27  For me, I have, I have decluttered the boxes many times, because for the first 33 years of my life, I fit very well into the boxes I was supposed to that I was given. And I did a great job, and I was funny about it and zesty about it, and Miss bubbly and head cheerleader and exactly what you think I was like at 18. I still am like at 51 and I went through a really rough divorce in my early 30s as a mom of two kids, and after a couple of years of survival and just knowing what I didn't want, which is a very painful but beautiful process I can say now later, that not knowing what I want, Liz Gilbert had a great I saw her in an interview, and I love her. In my head, she's my best friend, but she just doesn't know it yet. So we'll let her know it's fine. But my bestie, Liz said on this podcast, she went through an era which was called not this. So everything became not this, not this, not this. Most of us think we have to know what we want, and you said it, we're asked when we're younger, what do you want to be? I have no idea what the hell I want to be. I have no idea what the things are my options. So I can pick something off the cereal shelf and not know what's inside. And then, because I said it, I then went to school for it, and then I wore the t-shirt for it, and I told everyone about it, and I posted on social media about it. I can't not do it now. So we wear these costumes for a while, and then they start getting tight and uncomfortable, and not because of the perimenopausal weight. I mean, internally. And then you say, wait, am I allowed to put it down? Is the question I asked myself. So in this, not this phase, at the end of my divorce with these two amazing kids that I love, I then free myself from a situation and I saw black because I had no idea who I was and I had no idea what I wanted. I hadn't gotten up to asking myself that question, probably for the first time in my life at 34. Terrifying, highly don't recommend, but we got here. And so I think at that point, I stripped away everything that I knew and said, well, if none of this was true, what if I could be anything? So hence, the Maverick was born after, I mean, I make it sound really nice, there were a lot of crying on the floor and break down in the therapist's office. And I had had psychiatrists call me scrappy. He's like, you don't need meds, you're scrappy, you'll be fine. I blew up at him, and I don't react to anyone. I was like, I get a reward for being able to constantly be in survival mode. Americans, brace yourself. He refunded me my $250 which does not happen in our country. He was so apologetic that he pissed me off so much he probably got all the rage that everyone in my life until then had not gotten. It was amazing. So the long answer is, I checked in, and all of a sudden nothing felt like me. And while that was scary, it was so liberating, because I didn't have to fit new stuff into an old package. I was like, wee let's just turn the whole thing upside down, and I rebuilt what I wanted and put the right things back in in the drawer, instead of whose is this sock? Like example I always use is, I think the first piece of finding yourself is unpacking. So let's say you go on a girl's weekend with a bunch of friends, and the last night's a little blurry. No one remembers how they got to the airport. You get home, you open your polka dotted suitcase, and there's a red shoe. You don't have a red shoe. You go into the WhatsApp group, you're like, hi, guys, has everyone thrown up yet? Anyone's red shoe? Does this belong to anyone? Of course, you know it's not yours. But in our lives, we walk around carrying everyone else's red shoes and polka dotted bags and pile of crap, and you walk around wheeling it with you, because you call it identity, you call it belonging, you call it your culture, your religion, your family, your blah, blah, blah. And you open up this bag and it's filled with shit you don't know so you have no room for new stuff. So you and I's come into the world with all this passion and all this excitement, and everyone's hands are filled wondering, where do I put one more thing? You have to unpack, and you have to understand why you keep repacking the same thing in order to then get a chance to make any choices.Lesley Logan 10:33  That is an I love that long answer so much because it's like the simple like, the part that we all wanted to hear was like the short answer, oh, just do these three things. Shari Teigman 10:44  I can't do it because I don't believe it. And I used to listen to it and cry and think I was broken because I don't have that availability. So now what do I do? Lesley Logan 10:51  Yeah, and I also like, thank goodness, like, that guy gave that money back. I can't believe there was a guy and he gave his money back. I can't believe it was a man who told you you don't need drugs. But I can't believe apologize (inaudible) because one of the things that like, I it like, is nailed on a chalkboard when someone goes, oh, you're just so resilient. I'm like, I don't want to be resilient anymore.Shari Teigman 11:14  And I hang that one up because I know, and I know you all appreciate it, but it's killing me from the inside, so (inaudible) anymore? Thank you for appreciating it. Lesley Logan 11:25  Right because also, like, of course, as a business owner, as someone who's still, like making the money we need to make till we're retired and living our best life. Resiliency is great in my day to day, like operating my business, but like being resilient in my friendships and my family-ships and all that stuff, it's like, no, because then you don't ever check on me. No one checks on me. Shari Teigman 11:43  And also, we don't know how to ask for help yet then, because it's already uncomfortable and there's no room for it, so you're like, but can I? No, can't, no. Lesley Logan 11:51  Why can't I ask you because I'm holding your red shoe. I can't ask you because I'm holding your red shoe. Shari Teigman 11:56  And I never learned how, so I guess I'm the red shoe holder now.Lesley Logan 12:01  Okay, so, but then, like, so we have to, I love the not this, and I love the unpacking. I think that that is so key. It's, I mean, like, you know, there's something I want to, I want to do in our business, and it requires letting go of some other things. Like, you can't, can't just keep adding to the, you know, it's so then it's unraveling. Like, well, what am I letting go of? And what? What does that look like? And for everyone listening who is freaking out, I'm not letting go of the things that you're paying for, don't worry. It's like, doesn't affect you. It's not affecting you. There's no change affecting you. Okay? It's affecting the people who work (inaudible) I know I'm like, it's affecting, it's affecting the people who work for me. It's not affecting you. You have to stipulate, because people start to freak out, like, so, but thankfully, I understand that right, like the old, the old me would have been like, okay, let's just, let's just, let's just add these, undo that expander zipper and, like, shove, we'll just shove this in. So I love that. I know that about myself now, and I think that that is the real key. But I think, you know, you Shari, got to figure that out kind of in your 30s and so, and like, I find that a lot of people are figuring out in perimenopause, as they're freaking out and don't know themselves, and now they have to unpack. And that's a I find, I still, I feel nervous for that, because is it a hard time to, like, relearn who you are, or is it the best time to relearn how you are?Shari Teigman 13:21  Both. It's hard and the best time. Because as crazy as this sounds, because from a neuroplasticity place, we can't hold on to as much of the story as we did because of the brain fog and the hormones changing, there's a release valve comes. But what's terrifying about it is we never had it before. So the feeling of loss of control is one that makes us want to grip to the old story, my old identity, the things that I achieved in my job before the younger people came in and take it, or technology's changing, or my kids no longer think I'm cool, or I've been with my husband 40 years. I can't even hear him chew anymore. You know, like all the things that we hear from this rage that they don't realize is coming from a lack of tolerance, the tipping point in themselves of what they've made okay for themselves for all these years. So it comes out in a burst, because it's not going to come out any other way. There's not going to be everyone at 2pm everyone open up their computers, scream, and then close it, and we'll all feel better. I mean, I feel like we should start this. The world would be a much better place. But since we don't have it, we wait until everything is chaotic and we hate everything, and then we have to start looking at it. So the kind of stuff I teach, when I teach with FemGevity and with a lot of my private clients, is just starting to ask yourself better questions. Instead of assuming it's only this one category of life, it gives you more permission to be creative. I think if we move from fear to curiosity, we ask better questions, we get better answers. It doesn't mean I'm asking anyone to change anything yet, but when was the last time you made a decision that fit for you? I know it hurts, because even as I teach it, I'm like, brace yourself, girls, because we're going in and I'm going in there with you, oh, my god, I haven't made a decision for myself or I didn't think of my partner, or I didn't think of my team, or I didn't think of my kids, or I didn't think what my family is going to think. I don't know. I don't know the last time I asked myself that. So then I have someone just start with an easy thing. What do you want for dinner? And it's heartbreaking to ask a woman in their 40s and 50s, what she wants for dinner, and she looks at you with a blank look because she doesn't know. She (inaudible) went to what do I have leftovers for the kids, for tomorrow, for school? What can my husband take? What did I get from the supermarket that's about to spoil? I asked what you want for dinner, and then the tears go. What kind of TV do you want to watch? What sheets do you want on the bed? And we're talking professional, high achieving women who just look completely blankly at no one ever taught me to I wouldn't, wasn't allowed to ask a question. There was no space in my high achieving masculine run life and then emotional vulnerability that I have to hide. Who has space for it? So I think if we allow ourselves in this perimenopausal phase to say the exploration can be curious and creative and playful and find community to do it in. You're not crazy or we're all crazy together, and we're just going to figure this out, and there's no right or wrong answer, and no one is taking anything away from you. So it's in sovereignty we get to unpack one whole red shoe for another three years? Go right ahead, girl, no one's pulling the shoe away from you, but if we can slowly untangle the things that hurt us the most limit us the most, a lot of the other stuff sorts itself. It just feels like an emergency because we've never asked ourselves the question. Lesley Logan 16:38  Yeah, it feels like an emergency because I also think like we are so, our brains don't really know how to prioritize different things, so we the red shoe and the leftovers and that big merger you're working on, or whatever it is, they all take up the same priority level in the brain. So that's why they feel like that, right? But I want to highlight something, you said, untangle. And I think that's where a lot of people don't understand that that's such a key word I got to study with BJ Fogg and his and his habits training, and he talks about how to break a habit, which is, you have to, there's no such thing. It's not a stick. You have to unravel it. Because a habit is something that you no longer like, that you do, like a habit.Shari Teigman 17:21  I don't know how to make habits. I'm like, oh, sure, you do. Where's your chocolate habit? Where is your phone scrolling habit? Like you're an epic master at your habits. Everyone needs to be different. Who is it? We're wired.Lesley Logan 17:33  We're wired, you're, it literally is a brain wiring thing. And so untangling those things, and it's true, like when you can figure out, okay, I would like to untangle that I have I don't get to choose what I'm having for dinner. You know, then it becomes, you get to figure out, well, where did it start? Well, actually, maybe everyone you've been thinking about, everybody wants for dinner, and they actually thought you were thinking what you wanted for dinner.Shari Teigman 17:57  And also you're dead on. And it's a more gentle process. It's not like you walk into the family and say, you can all fuck off and make your own food. I want pasta, and they will look at you like, did you bang your head? And then that perimenopausal terror on everyone else's face, receiving the rage is like, oh, wait a second. Can everyone pick a night like they're gentle ways to do this. I actually want everyone else to make some decisions in this house, teenagers then feel empowered. A partner is then included. You get to pick, or guess what, you're allowed to eat something different than everyone else. It's most of these parameters we put on ourselves, and we blame everyone else because we didn't ask.Lesley Logan 18:34  Yeah, yes, no, I'm laughing so hard. Okay, so my husband, he's amazing at doing projects at night. Like, he like, he like, like, the sun goes down, I go to bed, and he is like, you know, he becomes the midnight gardener. Or, like, he puts together something, or, right before I turn this on, he's like, hey, did you see the thing I did in your office? Like, he put all the cords, you know, all the cords, in like, a little sleeve. So, like, it's nice. I know, we love him. Last night, he was doing the same thing he did the same thing he did the night before. The night before, I slept like the dead. I got like a 90% recovery, last night, 1:14 I'm hearing this like It's like drilling, and I am like, did I get up and go, hey, that's I just woke up to that. No. Instead, do you know I did? I sat there for 15 minutes going, when the fuck is it gonna be done? (inaudible) And then I marched down the hall, like, what the fuck are you doing? Shari Teigman 19:28  Why is this a good idea? Lesley Logan 19:31  Why are you doing this? And he's like, I did this last night. I didn't wake up last night. And I was like, well, clears in a different part of my rim cycle. I'm clearly in a different part of my cycle right now.Shari Teigman 19:44  Wind has blown. I am no longer who I was yesterday. You should have known that.Lesley Logan 19:49  Hello, but like, it's this funny thing, because we we do take on so much, and we wait until it's the paramount explosion to say what we're thinking instead of like, I thought, at at the moment I woke up, I thought, what is that noise? And if I had just been inquisitive it could have been, oh, hey, instead of, like, the and then, of course, did I sleep? No, I didn't sleep because I was angry.Shari Teigman 20:10  You weren't finished. You were still processing. You know, it comes like someone doesn't throw out a tissue and the whole house you're on fire just because you didn't say 14 other things because, oh, it's fine. It's fine. It's no longer fine, ladies, it, none is, nothing's fine. So we have to find our voices be kind, and realize we taught everyone else how to treat us so we don't get to be mad at them. We get to teach them what the next version of us needs, and most of us have no idea. So we get to sit down with our children, and we get to sit down with our partners and our friends and our family members, as terrifying as it is, and say there's a new sheriff in town, and I'm just getting to know her, and I need a little grace. And I like I know for my partner, I'm not speaking for him, but I could see the relief on his face when I'll actually say what I'm feeling, instead of him trying to guess which mood I'm in, or I say I have no idea what I need. And he's so relieved, because then he doesn't have to figure it out. Like the people who love us just want us better. Is it over yet? I wish it was over. I don't have cold. I'm just 51 it does. I don't know when it ends.Lesley Logan 21:17  I know that's the fun part. It's like, like, and also, and also, if you care about your heart health, ladies, you want to keep it going for a really long time, so then you better figure out how to talk about what you need and how to manage is the, not the word I want to because I don't like the way that it sounds, but like navigate or dance with all of this change, because once you are on the other side of this and your brain has changed and all the things, then you get to worry about your heart. So I'm just gonna say like you might want to lengthen this out and figure out who you want to be.Shari Teigman 21:54  Also, what an opportunity. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I like to take the funny side of life. If we already feel like shit. Why don't we start unpacking when we already feel like shit? I'm not gonna wait till I feel better to then figure it out. I'll be much more honest with myself if I have frustration. It's like, you know what? I don't want to do that anymore, even though I've done it every Tuesday for the past 20 years. I'm good. I don't want to apologize for it. No is a complete sentence. I don't have to be unkind. But I'm done. I'm done with that task at work. People then learn your new boundaries, and weirdly, they adjust faster than we do. No one else stays up at night worrying about this. Oh, she wants something different, cool. Oh, God, I should have said that 20 years ago. Why didn't I say that 20 years ago? Lesley Logan 22:35  Yeah, yeah. Well, and that's, that is, I think, where a lot of people get stuck. It's like, why, why? And it's like, almost like it's that is worth exploring. And also, in the meantime, just start sticking up for yourself now.Shari Teigman 22:46  Process it later but we'll get to it. And I find a lot of my clients, both men and women, are so terrified to put down what they've been doing, because if they realize that it's much easier to get unstuck than it was to get stuck, they're mortified at how long they tortured themselves, in their mindset, in their performance, in their roles, in what they made true. I could just decide tomorrow not to be stressed about that. Obviously, there's more to it. But then, what do I do with the 20 years of torture that's I have to reconcile that I lost that time, or I gave that away, or I let someone else make decisions for me, it's painful, but we don't have to sit in it, acknowledge it, and say, I'm not going to lose any more days.Lesley Logan 23:28  Yeah, yeah. I guess, like, do they need to I mean, do they need to feel the pain? Do they need to grieve? How do they what is the best way to acknowledge it so that they can, you know, keep going with the new way and be satisfied in that?Shari Teigman 23:41  I love the question, because most people think I can't do that. You have no choice if you want to get there. I believe that equal to the level of joy and fulfillment and peace you want, you have to be willing to go as deep as you want to go high it's we don't get to close off one door and then think, you know the arrow is going to stretch without pulling it back. So I like to call it the glorious end. I can be pissed off and ready. I can be terrified and excited. I can be sad and elated about something. So if I don't allow the emotion, the emotion will sneak up on me when I don't want it, it will come out in the who put the empty cereal box back in the cabinet. It'll come out at work when it should have come out at home and vice versa. It'll come out in too small a new decision, because I don't have the bandwidth to make the real decision I want. Why would we waste more energy? So for me, I tell everyone, men and women, feel it. Punch a pillow. Cry in a pillow, write it out. Burn it out, whatever your ritual needs to be dance it out, bang it out. I'm actually coming out with a journal in a few months that is basically, it's called The Maverick Way: A Field Guide to Coming Undone on Purpose. And every exercise is more ridiculous than the next one. And it's like, the Fuck It Resume is one of them. Like, what are the things you're terrible at? Write it out like we have to tell the truth so we can't. Pretend to only have the highlight reel, and then feel like a human being I am awful at some things, which reminds me of why I'm so good at other things. Then I've got my own way. I don't know what I want. Of course, you don't know. You don't know who you are. You're not willing to say I'm not good at that. Knowing that bothers me. That makes me cry. Am I too much? Okay, am I too little for someone else? Okay. We have to take all of these rules away, feel what we need to feel, and say, I know that might not make may not make you sad, Lesley, but I've been thinking about this for 40 years, and I need to sit in this for a couple of hours and just grieve what I made okay, or mourn what I lost, the conversations I didn't have, the jobs I didn't get, the pain I allowed myself because I didn't want to hurt anyone else, like ow, that hurts, and we get tired of the feeling very quickly when we let it stick it out, when you avoid it, it will chase your ass everywhere and pop up when you don't want it. I am going to grieve, because it's part of my process of making space for something new. I'm unpacking. So I'm unpacking, and I'm understanding. In my unpack, I'm really angry at my third grade teacher because she told me that I couldn't do something, and I believed her for the next 30 years, and she wouldn't even remember who I was. So I already think it. I might as well let myself, let it come up, journal it out, write it on the wall, scream it, throw it, laugh at it. Whatever you need. You get a freedom. There's just a release. As soon as you have release, just like in our bodies, you know, Pilates, yoga, what do you do? Breathe deeper into it so it releases. Grip it. You're all in grip. You know, it's a Chinese finger, that's trapped, it's not getting out. So how do we get out of where we're trapped? We release. We go deeper in, and then we can come out. It sounds scary, but if we don't judge emotions for right or wrong, we'll just feel what I need to feel. I don't need it anymore.Lesley Logan 26:45  Oh, I love this so much. And also, are you gonna do a fuck it retreat? Because you could do a fucking retreat where we could have rooms with pillows and then the smash rooms, and then we could have those, like those phone booths you could just scream in. Shari Teigman 26:57  And then a nap room for all of the exhausted rage.Lesley Logan 27:01  Yes, oh my god, this is like this all. It could just be a fucking space, and people could just be members.Shari Teigman 27:07  Yes, I love this. Every month there's a new way to let it go.Lesley Logan 27:12  I'm in. I interviewed this guy who, like, created these booths for hospitals where, like, nurses or doctors could go in. And I think he said it was just so they could have some peace and quiet, because hospitals are really loud, and all I could think is, like, you could scream in there.Shari Teigman 27:26  I would totally. Are you telling me it's soundproof so you won't know what I'm doing in there? (inaudible)Lesley Logan 27:34  I know. Like, isn't this? I think this, in Vegas, there's a place where you can go and, like, smash things. And I'm like, you can go, like a rage.Shari Teigman 27:40  (inaudible) to one in New York. I think it's the greatest thing I've ever done in my whole life. We did it five years ago. My kids and I are still talking about it. It was so powerful, and it was very meditative. And I never felt stronger in my life. We were running in the streets afterwards, kicking garbage cans, which maybe they should have a restroom afterwards, because we were so amped up.Lesley Logan 28:01  Like, like a waiting area, like a reentry.Shari Teigman 28:05  We're gonna integrate before we let you on the streets of Brooklyn, lady, thanks.Lesley Logan 28:11  Oh, my god, I love that so much. Okay, so obviously, like, you work with these amazing Mavericks, and you do have a lot of experience, and you talk about perimenopause, is there anything that you find in the perimenopause space with women? Because that's we have a lot of and we have, you know, we have a women who are on the other side and enjoy your space, ladies, I hope you're, hope you're having a great time. We'll get this. Shari Teigman 28:30  We're coming as fast as we can.Lesley Logan 28:33  But is there, are there signs and symptoms that people are ignoring? Because I think, like everyone pays attention to the medical ones, the hot flashes or dryness, or my whatever, but like, what about like, the emotional? And that's one of the things I think I tried. There's these, these things that come out in our personalities.Shari Teigman 28:50  I think it's that. It's those days you feel like Jekyll and Hyde, and then you're counting your cycle, and you're wondering, it's not physical, it's the emotional, shorter fuse. Care about less things, because sometimes we're more emotional and other times we're equal amounts of completely numb. So when you feel yourself numbing out, notice when you feel yourself raging about something you didn't care about before. Or I know for me, the lack of control when a brain fog comes in, I'm obviously creative and very cerebral and very verbal, and when I can't remember my name or remember how to say the word pink, I get terrified. I thought I had dementia. I didn't know this was a thing. I was I something's wrong with me, so noticing when you just don't feel like yourself, like I remember when I was pregnant with my first son, I was 24, what the hell was I doing? But okay, I was 24 shouldn't have been allowed to cross the street by myself, and I didn't lose him. He's great. We were figuring things out as we go. But we have these books What to Expect When You're Expecting. Never read them. If you don't have the symptoms that week you think something's wrong, and the last time I checked a woman's body, you and I could be next to each other. We won't have anything that's the same. Why the hell would I follow someone else's blueprint for life, pregnancy, for business, for relationships? I don't want blueprints. I want tear away sheets where I can make it up and then throw it out when I'm done. So if you feel something that isn't you and you're not sure how you feel about it, because some of us like that, all of a sudden I care less or that I can't remember every detail about some gossip someone told me that I don't not interested in. I kind of like that it blows out. So when I started noticing the difference, because I was scared, I only paid attention to the bad things. But when I found out I wasn't dying, I blessedly, didn't have dementia, I'm just lucky enough to graduate to the next video game of mother of womanhood, yay. And the new monsters are coming. I tried to look at, what are the good things? And I do that with all the FemGevity women is, what do you like in the midst of it that I can't juggle as much as I used to? So, I used to be queen multitasker, and I can't do it anymore, and it's okay, and it's actually really nice for my nervous system not to be the master of all at all times, like, I don't have that valve anymore, I can enjoy that, that when I want to be present, I can actually feel more present, because I can't be on as much as I used to be. I care less about a lot of things, so I will speak out for myself, not as much as I'd like to, but much more than I used to, because I can't keep it in anymore. It just comes out of my mouth, like, who, who said that? I would never used to say that. So look at the pros and cons of this. If we're on this roller coaster, instead of just gripping the bar, maybe we could put our hands up once in a while. Maybe we can enjoy the view from at the top of it before we drop. So what are the things that if you could let go of that you've never been able to your whole life? What if this is the opportunity to loosen some of the glue, move some of those joints and let it out anyway, in the wash, because it's going so we don't have to hold everything and new hobbies, things that I haven't made the time for, that my brain can use as new instead of I used to be good at this, and I'm not anymore. What else do I want to try? So I travel a lot for work, so I'm in London for a month, New York for a month, alternating. So I try to let my brain be a different version of me, wherever I am, because I'm jet lagged and exhausted, even if I didn't go anywhere. So it's like, okay, which version is going to be me? So like, I'm in London now, when I go home, I saw a three hour DJ class. I'm not a musician. I know nothing about it, but my brain wants something new to chew on, instead of all the mistakes that I've made and all the things that I can't remember and where did I put my keys? I'm going to go use it for something fun. If there's space in there, because I can't remember anything, I might as well put something good in there. So I think it's the permission to let it flow out of you, good and bad at the same time, and just say you're moving anyway. So you know, when you move house, like, while it's emotional and sad, you find shit you didn't even know was there. So the piles for donation and the clearing out of the 14 mugs you got at someone's Bar Mitzvah that you don't need. Like, it's a great time to let stuff go. We don't have to pack it all and bring it to the next place. So I think if you look at it as a time of decluttering and re-deciding those mental symptoms can be less scary. It's not, oh, I'm gone. No, that version of me doesn't want to be here anymore, because if it did, I'd find a way to keep her.Lesley Logan 33:22  Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. I'm obsessed with you and all this. And there is the woman who's listening going, okay, well, easy, easy for you to say, you know what? I mean, like, what do you what do you say to the person who's like, kind of, and I'm sure you've met them, they kind of fight to to hold, I mean, we already talked about this, fighting to hold on to the shoes.Shari Teigman 33:42  (inaudible) I am her, so I was the biggest train wreck in this of anybody. I've got two kids in their 20s. My mom, who was my best friend, passed away a year and a half ago. I work internationally, so I never know what time zone I'm in, and then perimenopause hits, and I'm 4'11" and gained about 45 pounds overnight, so I looked like a little blueberry. I didn't like I don't know what. Everything changed at once. And I'm a fighter. The psychiatrist told me I'm scrappy. I still have that personality trait. I don't go down easily. I don't surrender easily, which is why I'm really good at what I do, because I know the resistance. If 17 years ago, me met me now, I would cross the street. I would never go anywhere near me, because I didn't want the help. I didn't think anything was wrong. I couldn't handle the silence of my own mind. I was in survival mode. So like I get it, I want everyone to know they're looking and listening at a version of two women. I don't know your backstory, but I know you do the work. Who do the work? Which means there was a reason we started the work. You're seeing an evolved version of us. I mean, if you want the old me, I'm good, I'll tell you. And you people say to me, why do you tell everyone everything like so they don't put me on some imaginary pedestal. I'm crazier than you. I'm ragier here than you. I have more mood swings than you. I. Work with people, and I don't like them so much most of the time. I love souls. I don't like all the people-y stuffs like, I'm friendly, and then I'm not. I'm an introvert, and then I'm an extrovert. I'm on stage dancing, then I don't want to talk to anyone like I am the whole kaleidoscope. So for all the women thinking, oh, but you've got it figured out, I made it up as I go along, and I make it up every day, and people pay me a lot of money to help them make it up also. So if we make it playful and we make it funny, it's easier to untangle, it's easier to get out of our shackles, because everyone's making it up. Lesley Logan 35:33  Yeah? Well, that's the thing, right? Like, that's the thing you like, discover along your entrepreneurial journey. I'm like, I'm in a room with all these people who are making all this time, like, oh, you just bought ads and (inaudible).Shari Teigman 35:46  And you're crying in the bathroom too, while I wanted to take a selfie with you because I thought you were a guru, I'd rather hug you in the bathroom crying. This is even better. Lesley Logan 35:52  Yeah, yeah. And it's, it's really, it's so true, right? Like, because, like, we're on social media, and people can be like, the the typewriter troll, who's like, oh, easy. It's like, and I have just come to the place where I'm like, I really do like, this phase I'm in. I'm like, no, I was homeless 10 years ago, and I've worked my ass off to do my dream job. (inaudible) Yeah, yeah. So I've worked my ass off. And so you might think I'm this, but I'm gonna tell you right now, I deserve everything that I have right now because I work for it. So don't take that from me and.Shari Teigman 36:16  Go (inaudible) your mother's basement and (inaudible) someone else.Lesley Logan 36:26  Exactly. So, but, like, it's so fun. Like, I'm like, wow, the 10 years ago version be like, oh my god. People think I'm this. Shari Teigman 36:34  An imposter. Yeah, no, I am fully me. Sorry everyone. Lesley Logan 36:37  Yeah, but I do. I'm with you. Like, I also think that a lot of people we do have, we have put on imaginary pedestals, have told us their traumas and their stories, and we only we are like, this is this? You are the Mecca that I need to be, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna do all the things. And so I think it's really easy for us to just forget that stuff. And I appreciate your honesty. And I also think thank you for sharing like for everyone listening, I hope you heard like, you just have to kind of get started and get to know every single day. You can't wait until you feel ready. You're not gonna feel ready. I'm sure, I'm sure Shari's never felt, I don't feel ready. Shari Teigman 37:12  I don't feel ready even when I am ready because I wouldn't even ask myself that question, well, we're doing this then, aren't we?Lesley Logan 37:18  Yeah, yeah. It's true. Yeah. It's so true. Because, like, the one time I I said, okay, people, it was many years ago, but the first time I was teaching like 85 people, and all these people had come to this, the first time this event was happening. So, like, I was so, like, I felt blessed and honored and excited to be invited to this, the inaugural of this thing. And I'm looking at all these people who've, like, wanted to take class with me, and they know what they're doing. And then I'm looking at this front this front row of people who just wanted to support me, but they've never done anything. And I'm like, oh my God. I have people who don't know what they're doing. I have people who have this expectation of me that I don't even know what it is. And my husband was micing me, and I'm like, is the mic on? And he's like, no. And I'm like, I'm actually, like, really nervous, right? Like, I don't think I can do this. Shari Teigman 38:01  I don't even ask if the mic's on. I'm like, I'm gonna ship myself, and it'll be 600 people waiting, and I don't want to go, who gave me this microphone? Who thinks I can do this? And then 20 seconds later, I'm on stage, arm flapping like nothing happened. Like, bring all of it with us. If you weren't scared, you wouldn't have missed the whole thing.Lesley Logan 38:19  Yeah, well, and also, and that's just exactly it. And he just like at me, and he just said, how is this different than what you already do? And I was just like, oh, that's right, thank you. Thank you for the reminder that, like it's, I'm fine, but I think, like it's, it's so important that you all hear like we're every person you put on a pedestal. You hear their story, you're like, oh my god, I'm so inspired. They wake up every day and have to figure out who they are that day, like they all do. Shari Teigman 38:44  The panic in our stomach some days and the anxiety. And I'm not wishing anyone stuff they don't have, but I want you to know everyone has their version of this, and it's not, oh, you're so brave. I didn't have a choice, so I got brave. And some days I'm not brave and but unfortunately, I'm a naturally happy, sad person, so like, I navigate this who are we going to be today? I want to be happy, but I feel sad, but I am happy, but I'm also sad. I stopped trying to pick one or the other. I'm both. I love when I'm on a podcast and like BJ Fogg's sister Linda is a friend of mine. We were in a mastermind together years ago. Lesley Logan 39:20  She lives, she lives in my town. Shari Teigman 39:21  Linda, you're kidding me. I love she's amazing. How funny. What a small world. That's crazy, like I watched the Linda's and the BJs of the world, and it's brilliant, and it's all very organized, and it's strategic, and it makes sense. And then you've got me, who is complete creative chaos. It's the only way I know how to function. You either love it or I terrify you. I'm fine with both. I can't, not going to change. I've tried. This is who I am, and I'll be on a podcast big audience, and they're like so Shari, what are your rituals every morning? And I burst out laughing, because I'm not going to lie to anyone which day, which mood, which temperature. What's it like outside? What am I wearing? I don't know. I wake up every morning I decide what I want to feel. I'll start with a feeling I want connection today. So yes, my days are crazy and scheduled, and I'm blessed to have a very busy coaching practice, and I run a department for a company in a country, in another country like I don't have a lot of flexibility in my time, and I still have to lead with what I need. Otherwise, no one else will get anything from me, and it took me a long time to not go into my own performance mode to help everyone else with their performance. What? I stepped into the same step for wife game that I was in my marriage. Climbed out of that, and I'm like, oh, coach world, green juice, yoga pants, alignment, words, what am I wearing? It's all lovely. If it works for you, that's when the Maverick was born. It's either going to be my way or I can't do it. Stop trying to pick up everyone else's way of fitting into your own life. It won't fit you. So again, it's that curiosity, it's that playfulness, it's the bad mood and good mood mixed together. Then you're being honest.Lesley Logan 40:54  Yeah, it's true. I am. I have three hours every morning for a morning routine, and the very start of my morning routine is the same. I get into a cold plunge. I read three books that are like daily things that I'm hopeful that something sticks, and then I go for a walk. And then after the walk, it's like, okay, what do I want to do? Do I want to do Pilates? Do I want to do my shake plate? Do I want to do my red light? Do I want to have breakfast now or breakfast later? And it has to go with what I'm feeling, which is why I gave myself three hours to do that because I, like you, I, well, I just discovered I have ADHD, which is its own fun thing, to discover perimenopausal. And then you're just like, oh, I'm the one they need to I thought my husband had ADHD. No, I do. And then it's like, wait a minute. So I'm overwhelmed because of the ADHD and. Shari Teigman 41:47  All of it, yeah. Lesley Logan 41:49  Just like, What do you mean? I can't, like, I'm also freaking out about the typing of the fingers because I, like, I just thought that I just had sensory integration disorder. So it's just you have to, excuse me, excuse me. I just wasn't diagnosed as a child and and here we are and now I get to know myself and perimenopause. But I think, like, I love that you share that, because I think that there's a world where you can be in the yoga pants with the green juice and the alignment words, and if it does, yes, and if it doesn't work for you. You can be like Shari and I and you can ask yourself how you want to feel, and give yourself the time to feel that. And I think that that's brilliant, yeah. Shari Teigman 42:27  And then have your green juice, or take a nap or rage or sleep or meditate like it's all wonderful, but none of these things are going to save you from yourself till you know yourself.Lesley Logan 42:34  Yeah, oh my god.Shari Teigman 42:34  It doesn't work. I tried it.Lesley Logan 42:34  I'm obsessed with you. We're gonna take a brief break and find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you, and your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 42:44  All right, Shari, where do you hang out? Where will this journal be when it's ready? Where can they stalk you?Shari Teigman 42:55  So I hang out on Instagram. I am there. I am loud. Sometimes I'm consistent. This is my consistency. I'm gone for a week, and then you'll see me 14 stories later. It just depends on the mood. When the mood strikes and the ideas come, the journal will be out, I'm hoping in February, which is extremely exciting. It's being designed now by a chaotic designer, which is perfect for me. And I love making new friends so they can come and come say hi to me on Instagram. It's Shari Teigman. You'll see me with my crazy glasses. As I'm known for a variety of glasses, it only happened because I'm on Zoom all day long, and I get very tired of looking at my face, so I needed to mix it up so that I wouldn't be bored. So I'm saying hi.Lesley Logan 43:39  I just needed some magic to look at. There were signs that I had ADHD. I'm like, let's put stars on your hands.Shari Teigman 43:44  I wouldn't have known it, right? I don't know where it came from. So I'm there. This is what I'm like all the time. I love when someone gets on a call with me, like a sales call, like, oh my god, you're exactly like you are online. Who else could I be? This is enough trouble to maintain you think I'm gonna have another personality for someone else? So I'm exactly like this. No one else answers my messages. I love meeting new people. I'd love to hear what you got from the podcast, what you're working on, what's your Maverick? What do you want to say out loud that you won't say to anyone else, like, I'm here to witness it. Come and play.Lesley Logan 44:17  Gosh. Okay, you have really given us so much already, but we do like our bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps at the end. What do you have for us?Shari Teigman 44:25  So I actually felt long and hard about this, which you should feel special, Lesley. Lesley Logan 44:29  I do. I actually really do. Shari Teigman 44:30  (inaudible) about anything, so I'll think about it and then I'll forget it. So it's not a want to, it's just in and out. So I think, based upon everything we talked about, an easy action step to live this is it's a hard one to say out loud, but it's going to punch everyone in the face, which is why I like it. Clean up the internal contradictions, and it's as simple as you're saying you want a bigger life, but you keep making micro choices. You're lying to your nervous system. You're answering an older version of yourself. You have to understand that the identity that you want for the life that you want is going to require aligned actions to that. So it's as simple as I say, I want to do Pilates every day, and yet I find myself laying on the couch. Pilates isn't happening. I did it today. I am tired from jet lag. I'm a yoga person. I love it, and I haven't done it so I could tell you, I love yoga, but I haven't done it in six weeks. I didn't realize till I said, when's the last time I took my mat out? Oh my god, I would have told you I did it a few days ago. Perimenopausal brain, I thought I did. So, telling ourselves the truth and cleaning up the internal contradictions makes us stop looking for answers from the outside of like, how come I just can't do it because you're not telling yourself the truth. So if I choose to lay on the couch, maybe I needed it that day. Maybe I didn't realize that that's what I wanted. Like, if I decide to stay on the couch, I do it intentionally. If I decide to do the yoga I don't check my phone in between, like, choose whatever it is intentionally and clean up those internal contradictions. The questions you ask will be much more clear and much more honest, and then you'll get to some answers.Lesley Logan 46:07  It is a good punch in the face, and I really like it. Shari Teigman 46:09  I punch myself in the face with it too. I'm like, oh god, if I say it out loud, I then have to do it.Lesley Logan 46:17  I it's so true, and it's really it's really funny. We get smart like, then I'll just keep it to myself, but.Shari Teigman 46:23  Not gonna unleash that one. Are we? Lesley Logan 46:25  No, I'm like, I won't tell anyone, and then they won't know. Shari Teigman 46:29  Let me know how it goes. Lesley Logan 46:31  Yeah. Oh, that one is so good. I'm so glad to have you. I mean, we're gonna have to have you back. I can't believe we haven't crossed paths, because I feel like you are just a dear friend in my life already. You guys, I agree with Shari. What touched you, what made you think like, what? Where did you go, oh, fuck it, Shari. Can't believe you called me out. She wants to know. I want to know. So tag her. Tag the Be It Pod. Share this with a girlfriend who needs to hear it like cheer for the scrappy front of the resilient friend, because I know that they need to feel so seen, and you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 47:03  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Are you wheeling around a pile of emotional baggage you've mistakenly labeled as your identity? In this recap episode, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell dive into the transformative insights shared by Shari Teigman, a dynamic performance coach and creative business strategist who specializes in guiding high achievers through major life transitions. Shari reveals why coming undone is the prerequisite for authenticity, especially for those navigating midlife identity shifts. The hosts break down the red shoes metaphor, the necessity of active emotional release, and why joy requires going massively deep internally. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How to unpack other people's baggage to reclaim your own identity. The grieving process is an important part of unpacking to feel joy. Learn how Swedish death cleaning prevents leaving baggage for others.Why it's important to acknowledge your emotions as neither good nor bad. Clean up internal contradictions and choose intentional actions over excuses.Episode References/Links:eLevate Mentorship Program - lesleylogan.co/elevateOPC Spring Training - opc.me/eventsOPC Summer Tour - opc.me/tourContrology Spine Corrector - opc.me/spinecorrectorSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsShari Teigman Website - https://shariteigman.comShari Teigman Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/shariteigmanThe Maverick Way - https://beitpod.com/themaverickwayThe Gentle Art of Swedish Death Cleaning - https://a.co/d/06TuBmbwEp. 589 ft. 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So I love this because, like, I feel like some people think that they're self-sabotaging, or they're in the same spiral, and it's like, yeah, but you kept packing the same stuff, expecting a new result. Brad Crowell 0:18  Or you're carrying around the old shit. Lesley Logan 0:19  Yes but and you just keep repacking the old shit, and that's why you don't get anything new. Lesley Logan 0:25  Welcome to the be it till you see it, podcast where we talk about taking messy action knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan Pilate instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained 1000s of people around the world, and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and be it till you see it. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:07  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the unraveling convo I had with Shari Teigman in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you can pause this one and then listen to that one, or you can listen to this one here. We have to say we've got some fun stuff to talk about, and then go listen that one. But you cannot miss it.Brad Crowell 1:25  It's an epic episode. Lesley Logan 1:26  I want to be friends with her. Brad Crowell 1:27  Yeah, she's badass.Lesley Logan 1:29  I do. We should tell her, when we're in London, I don't like I really. Brad Crowell 1:32  We should tell her when we're in London. Lesley Logan 1:33  I don't know how we're gonna fit in another meal, but like, she can meet me for I don't know. She's great. Anyway.,Brad Crowell 1:39  She might be in New York. She lives between the two. Lesley Logan 1:42  She does live between the two. You know what? Then, if she doesn't at least we reached out. But, you know, at least we reached out. The sign that you have ADHD is that you want to hang out with someone, and then you hope that they're not available. Lesley Logan 1:53  Okay, today, while you guys are listening to this is April 30th 2026 and today we're bringing awareness to two things. Brad Crowell 2:00  Two things. Lesley Logan 2:01  So Walpurgis night. Brad Crowell 2:03  Walpurgis night.Lesley Logan 2:03  The Mass of St. Walpurgis Night or Walpurgis Night, is observed on April 30th in parts of northern and eastern Europe, from Sweden to the Czech Republic. It is known as Walpurgis in German speaking nations, Valborg in Sweden and Čarodejnice. Brad Crowell 2:20  Good job. I'm really impressed. Lesley Logan 2:22  There's a J and an N connected to each other. Brad Crowell 2:24  Čarodejnice. Lesley Logan 2:26  Čarodejnice because there's an E in there too. In the Czech Republic.Brad Crowell 2:29  We butchered the hell out of that. So if you don't know how to say it, send us a voicemail, send us a DM.Lesley Logan 2:35  You can, you can call us and leave us a message. And I would love to hear how to say that. (inaudible) Walpurgis Night is also known as the other Halloween. For example, on April 30th, a traditional Walpurgis night ritual involves the burning of an effigy of a witch on a campfire in Sweden. This is a bonfire night once thought to ward off evil spirits, but it's now a fun way to get rid of excess gardening trash. I'm here for the gardening trash. I'm not here for burning fucking witches. So, Brad, you sold me this wrong, because I didn't realize we're burning a witch. Brad Crowell 3:07  It said an effigy of a witch.Lesley Logan 3:09  An effigy of a witch. That's burning a witch. This is we are upset. We're rejecting.Brad Crowell 3:15  Oh, yeah, it's the sculpture or model of a person. Lesley Logan 3:18  Yeah. Brad Crowell 3:18  Well, we're getting rid of those witches. Lesley Logan 3:20  No, no, the witches are the healers, Brad, look it up. So the witches actually were the women healers who had all the information, and they kept it, and they passed it down to the other women about all these different ways to heal from different illnesses and aches and pains, and also how to do periods. And they had these wonderful, wonderful informations. And when they made those healers witches, those women became people that no one could talk to. They became untouchables. And so after three generations, you now no longer have history, and that is how they control you ladies, that's how they do it. So anyways, now that I've fixed that day, why don't you go on with the holiday that sounds way better?Brad Crowell 3:59  Oh yeah, we're not for burning witches. International Jazz Day, this is Brad's excitement here, join with people around the world as this day promotes jazz's roots and our intercultural influence every year, on April 30th. All that jazz. Many considered America's classical music, yeah, maybe, after all, jazz began in New Orleans over 100 years ago. Legendary jazz pianist and composer Herbie Hancock, along with, along with the UN helped create International Jazz Day in 2011. Read on for a musical look distinctly American art form, and don't miss out on a list of four cool jazz sub genres. Lesley Logan 4:36  Brad, what are those four sub genres? Brad Crowell 4:38  I have no idea, and didn't read the rest of that whole book. But what I can tell you is that this is something I love, I'm passionate about. I grew up listening on the way home from soccer practice with my dad, we would listen to 90.1 and it was Temple's Jazz, Temple Philadelphia Jazz station. So it really left an impact on me as a youngster, I got really into the music. And my dad wasn't really playing like performing jazz, but he does play the trombone. And was playing the trombone at the church, never playing jazz. He was always playing, you know, hymns and choirs, stuff, whatever. But, you know, I got really into that, and that was an inspiration as a kid to play the trombone myself. And then all through high school, I got really into jazz, and then I went to college for it, and I studied the trombone playing jazz there. And when I moved out to L.A. I sat all that down, and I started playing rock and roll with my bass guitar and singing and all that stuff. It was fun. But coming to Vegas, just down the street from where we live, is a lovely. Lesley Logan 5:34  Less than a mile. It's like half a mile, maybe three quarters, but. Brad Crowell 5:37  It is a hour that hosts a live jazz night every Monday night, and it's fantastic. Like the musicians are, you know, either grads or they're going through UNLV's Jazz programs. Some of them are doing their masters in music. And these guys get together and they jam every Friday. Lesley Logan 5:55  Monday. Brad Crowell 5:55  Every Monday, sorry, every Monday. And I have been very intentional about making sure I'm there. I just love listening. And I literally am, like, the super dork. People think I'm the manager or the owner of the bar. Lesley Logan 6:06  Because he has his computer out, you guys, and he works.Brad Crowell 6:08  Because I take my laptop and I work in the back corner. Lesley Logan 6:10  I'm like, 10 till 2. 10 pm till 2 am.Brad Crowell 6:13  Yeah, one. Usually I'm leaving around 1:15 but it's three hours of live jazz. They do three sets, and the third set is my favorite, because, talking about sub genres, they always start with, like, a little bit, like, you know, lower, more palatable, as it were, and by the end of the night they're playing, like, huge, like, intense fusion, crazy, like, like, like driving music. And I eat that up. I love that. I think it's, it is also my ADHD brain.Lesley Logan 6:41  Are we gonna tell them where to go for this jazz music? Brad Crowell 6:43  Yeah, it's called The Hard Hat, The Hard Hat Bar. Brad Crowell 6:46  You're trying to keep it to yourself but you're selling it. Brad Crowell 6:48  Yeah, yeah. No one else will love to go. I have my spot in the corner, so. Lesley Logan 6:50  Also, if you're in Vegas on a Monday night, there's not a lot to do. This is a thing you can do, and it's one of the oldest parts. It's not the oldest bar, but people think it is. It's one of the oldest bars.Brad Crowell 6:59  It was in the is started in the 60's, I think.Lesley Logan 7:01  Yeah. According to Las Vegas City (inaudible), it's the third oldest bar.Brad Crowell 7:05  Yeah, but we love it. I love it. Lesley has been there once I think. Lesley Logan 7:08  Zero times. Brad Crowell 7:08  Zero times? You've never been?Lesley Logan 7:09  You've never taken me. Nope. That's why.Brad Crowell 7:10  It's not I haven't taken you. You there's never a chance where you're awake. Zero chances that you're awake.Lesley Logan 7:16  There's zero chances, I mean, on a Monday night. But I here's the thing, guys, I gotta go, because Brad doesn't really under, like, he didn't really understand what like signals he was putting out one Monday night. These people were at his table where he has his computer so he can watch and be on his computer. So he just kept looking at the people at this table over and over and over again. Brad Crowell 7:35  Yeah, I kept glancing and like, how many drinks are these people gonna have, like I want my corner. I like my little spot.  Lesley Logan 7:41  And then he, like, had us finally sit down with his back to them. So then he kept turning around and looking at them, and so they bought him a drink, thinking he was hitting on them.Brad Crowell 7:52  It's true. They definitely, I apparently got caught looking and and I realized, oh yeah, okay, that happened.Lesley Logan 7:59  Yeah, I'm just fine when you're table, although I this would happen to anybody like us, because, like, I'm near my table, that's my spot. Anyways, I'll get to The Hard Hat one of these days, one of these Tuesdays, I won't have to get up at five in the morning, so I'll check it out. But go, go listen to some jazz. Go just play it on your Spotify today, because it's International Jazz Day.Brad Crowell 8:14  If you want, if you want some recommendations, I'm a big fan of a US based group. They're from DC area. They're named Snarky Puppy, and it's, it's a really cool group, because they are like a mix of different musicians that will come in and leave. So sometimes this the band might be four people, sometimes it might be 20 people, right? And they and they just, wherever they do concerts, they pull in all these locals, and they have, like the band director effectively, is a brilliant composer, and he composes with other people. But I've really enjoyed listening to Snarky Puppy. So if you're wondering, you know, what are we talking about here, check them out. Brad Crowell 8:53  I hope people have an idea of jazz. I would love so. The world is going to hell. And I think it is really, especially hell, if you have not heard some jazz.Brad Crowell 9:01  Yeah, but I'm not listening to like, Kenny G elevator jazz, like, that's not my jam. I want something that has definitely got more, you know, juice.Lesley Logan 9:10  Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, thanks, babe, thanks for, I love your holiday.Brad Crowell 9:15  I have another one. I'm gonna share one more. Lesley Logan 9:16  Okay. Brad Crowell 9:17  So Stan Kenton's Cuban Fire Suite is a journey, and it's worth just sitting down with a, you know, a glass of wine and listening to it from start to finish. I love it. Have so much fun. Enjoy that. Brad Crowell 9:27  All right, here's what's coming up. So Lesley is super busy tomorrow, starting all day, because we have a whole bunch of people coming to the house. They're actually been coming through all day today, doing private sessions with Lesley, and tomorrow she's kicking off the Cadillac Weekend. Lesley Logan 9:42  It's the third weekend of five weekends. Brad Crowell 9:44  For eLevate, her mentorship program.Lesley Logan 9:47  Yeah, and if you're wanting to know more information about 2027's eLevate, there's a few spots left. We actually, on the day we're recording this, accepted two more people. So between, they may have already put their deposit in, which maybe we really like have three spots left, but don't be like, oh, I'm never gonna get it. Like, if you want it, fine, right? Like, we can talk about it. The application is really easy. It's mostly so I can make sure it's the right program for you. I don't, I don't want to sell you something that's not what you're looking for. So lesleylogan.co/elevate. A seventh through the 10th, we'll be in, well, Scottsdale, actually, Brad, we're in Scottsdale at P.O.T. so we hope to see you there. We'll have a booth. I'm not teaching at it, but we'll have a booth. So come, come by. Say hi. I think we're gonna have the dog. Lesley Logan 10:27  Yeah, we're gonna bring Bayon. We're driving in. We're taking the dog. It's a camp tent. Brad Crowell 10:33  We called ahead, and they were like, oh yeah, we're totally dog friendly toys, we're ike, heck, yeah, let's do it.Lesley Logan 10:37  So we're bringing our dog, because it would be so sad. We'll have him home for a month and we have to leave him again. Spring Training is right after we get back. It is May 12th to the 17th. It's about getting upside down, getting overhead. It's really like all the OPC teachers and I are using the workouts.Brad Crowell 10:51  That's OPC Spring Training.Lesley Logan 10:52  Yeah, we're using the workouts and on the mat reformer, tower, and Wunda chair to help you understand the connections, you need to actually do upside down overhead exercises with control and strength so you don't have to fear about hurting your neck or or also you think like I can't do these exercises. I have belly abundance or chest abundance, or whatever. Now there are people that they're not ideally for, but well, you'll learn the replacement exercises for yourself. So you can be in any of these classes, because I do not believe to be an advanced practitioner you do upside down stuff. To be an advanced Pilates practitioner, you have to have connections, so you could be doing non upside down stuff and be an advanced practitioner. So I'm excited for you for that. So opc.me/events and then Summer Tour is literally gonna be announced at any moment, and if it hasn't already so opc.me/tour.Brad Crowell 11:39  Tickets are coming at the end of May or beginning of June, because it'll basically be after spring training.Lesley Logan 11:46  Yeah, right after. So we are going to do, we are doing, and we're doing a route we've never done before.Brad Crowell 11:51  Yeah, I know I'm excited. We're going to be going straight across the middle of the country all the way out to Knoxville, and then we're going to loop back around and hit North Texas on the way back. And then I think we're going to do Tucson, because we haven't been there in a really long time. Lesley Logan 12:01  Yeah, fixing it up, giving another city in Arizona some love, so. Lesley Logan 12:06  But go to opc.me/tour.Lesley Logan 12:11  Oh my god, we've already seen the merch.Brad Crowell 12:13  It's really fun. Lesley Logan 12:14  You guys, even though every year, every tour, we're like, that's so great. How could it get better? It gets better, it gets better. It gets better. So anyways, we have to get into Shari, because she's so great. But before we do that, we have a question.Brad Crowell 12:25  We sure do. @laurat9266 from YouTube asks, hey, would you ever consider a springboard for home use over the Wunda chair or spine corrector? I am gonna jump in right now.Lesley Logan 12:38  Okay, tell me, what do you think?Brad Crowell 12:39  They do, completely different thing.Lesley Logan 12:41  Great job. Brad. Way to go.Brad Crowell 12:42  Thank you. Like, why not have both.Lesley Logan 12:45  Well, and also, like a springboard, it just hangs on the wall, takes up almost no space, so you could still have room for a spine corrector. Brad Crowell 12:47  Well, that's what I mean. You clearly need a reformer to do the springboard, so.Lesley Logan 12:47  No, you just need a wall. The springboard is like a. Brad Crowell 12:47  I was thinking the jump board. Lesley Logan 12:47  You were thinking a jump board. But also still a different thing. Brad Crowell 12:54  They still do different things. Lesley Logan 13:00  Yeah. So the springboard is, like, what you see on the walls with it's like, my wall unit, but like, half of a wall, because it doesn't even stick out from the wall. Brad Crowell 13:10  Right. This just got a couple hooks in it. Lesley Logan 13:12  Because I don't know why you're considering these three, right? Like, it sounds like space might be a diff, like, what we're talking about. Brad Crowell 13:19  Well, maybe also cost. Lesley Logan 13:20  Yeah or it could be cost. Springboards can be expensive, you guys, like, they are almost the same price as my tower, my tower, because I bought the high mat with it, it's like $2,200 full price. So like a springboard is like $1,700 I'm you have to look at these things, and also, who knows, because of all the shits going on. So use my discount. We'll put our, we'll put our Balanced Body, Contrology discount in here. But here's the thing, it depends on what you need. So if you're someone who has a bit more asymmetries, and you're more building your connections up than a springboard, or I prefer my Controlology wall tower, to be honest, because it has the push through bar and it's away from the wall, so it actually provides you the opportunity to do monkey, which you need space behind the tower to do. And also there's some things you can hang off the poles for, like there's just stuff you can do that you can't do with a springboard. So I prefer that if you're using that that can be a great way to take your mat practice to the next level, reformer practice to the next level, and develop the connections you need to advance your practice. When you look at equipment, when the space, the surface space, gets smaller, the more advanced it gets. So the Wunda chair, if you look at the surface space of a Wunda chair, compared to a mat or reformer or Cadillac, springboard, would be using a mat. It's going to be a more advanced piece of equipment. It's going to challenge the connections you have. There's definitely a lot of uses for it to teach exercises that are more advanced on the reformer and mat. It's just inherently a bit more of an advanced piece of equipment. It requires strong balance and connections. Has a lot of great work for asymmetry connections, but it's not easy. It's definitely got a challenge I love I love it, and I think it's wonderful for home use. Also you can do like five, six exercises on. And jump off. It's not it's great. The spine corrector is a whole different modality. So if you were to get one, only one thing, I would say, if you have access to doing mat work or going to a studio for other stuff, get a spine corrector because there's very few spine corrector classes, and every single person who listens to this podcast should be on a spine corrector, every single person. There is a plethora of exercises on there, but there's two series on there that everyone can do almost daily without overworking themselves, and that is the arm series and the leg series. So I really love a spine corrector. I love the Contrology one, mostly. But if you have an arc, you can check and look at my videos. I have tips on how to do that. So I would just say, like it really depends on what your goals are, Laura, and then it's go from there, you'll pick but you could honestly have all three of these in the same space, because, like the spine corrector can hang on a wall, the Springboard's on a wall, the Wunda chair can be pushed up against someone when it's not in use, you could pull it all out. So that's you know. Get them all.Brad Crowell 16:01  If you want to know which Contrology spine corrector she's talking about, just go to opc.me/spinecorrector opc.me/spinecorrector, and you'll be able to find that over there. Yeah. So great question. Thanks for asking. If you have a question, just text us at 310-905-5534, or— Lesley Logan 16:16  Go ahead.Brad Crowell 16:16  You can submit it through, beitpod.com/questions where you can leave both a win and a question or one or the other. Lesley Logan 16:25  And you can also, anytime you want to buy anything from Balanced Body or Controlology, like, reach out for our affiliate link, because if you if you can get a discount, you should, and if you can't, well, I mean, there's reasons why you can't, but you can always just talk to me and we'll figure out if it works. But like, why not try? Doesn't hurt. Brad Crowell 16:42  Why not try? Love it. Yeah, stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 16:46  Welcome back. Let's dig into this convo you have with Shari Teigman. Shari is a dynamic performance coach and creative business strategist who empowers driven individuals to break free from conventional expectations and unleash the Maverick within. She specializes in guiding ambitious professionals and high achievers who are exhausted by the status quo and currently navigating life's major transitions such as midlife identity shifts and perimenopause. Using her bold, unconventional approach, she helps clients authentically unpack their emotional baggage, resolve internal contradictions and intentionally design lives guided by their own rules.Lesley Logan 17:27  We could have had her for three episodes like she's just phenomenal, has so much to share.Brad Crowell 17:33  I enjoy her transparency. I think it's really funny to me to listen to someone who is willing to be transparent so that people don't judge them. Because I know I do that, like, I build the caveat into the statement with what the things that I say. And I was listening to her do it, and I was like, and then she acknowledged that she was doing it. I was like, oh, that's really interesting. I get that.Lesley Logan 17:55  I also think that we both do it, and I've never acknowledged it. Sometimes I do. I'm like, I'm about to acknowledge, like, this is gonna sound hypocritical, but like, I don't know, like, I understand. Like, I like to say those things not to be judged. But like, so people know that I don't sit here on my pedestal like I've got it all together. You know? I think we all have to be human. Anyways, that's not what I loved. I loved, she said, in our lives, we walk around carrying everyone else's red shoes, pile of crap, and you walk around wheeling it with you, because you call it identity, you call it belonging. And she said, the first piece to finding yourself is to unpack. And I just, I was like, oh, that is like, what a visual, what a visual. We wheel this pile of crap around because we mistakenly call it our identity, belonging, culture, religion, family, like, all these things. And I've got a guest coming up that I've interviewed about, like, good daughtering And, like, I think especially the women listening to this can understand, like, you're like, taking on this stuff. Like, I have family members who are like, oh, do you want grandmas this and great grandparents this? It's like, oh my god, this is so much. I don't why do I have to be responsible for carrying on the legacy of this pot, you know, like that and it's not even, that's not even the emotional stuff. It's like, just like, but a visual of what things things are. And she said, this bag is filled with things that aren't yours, and so you have no room for new stuff. And that is like, so powerful. Like, if you're struggling to try new things, do new things, find yourself it's like, you can't, because I can't buy new a new coat. With this closet so full, I gotta get rid of some stuff, which is, which is the reason we're laughing is because we're packing, like, as we're recording this, we're packing for Europe. And I was like, it's gonna be so cold, and I love coats, and I can only bring one coat, and, like, buy another coat. I'm like, I don't need another coat. I have great coats. I can only take one. So you ultimately have to understand why you keep repacking the same thing in order to finally get a chance to make any real choices. So I love this because, like, I feel like some people think that they're self-sabotaging, or they're in the same spiral. It's like, Yeah, but you kept packing the same stuff, expecting a new result, you know. Brad Crowell 20:05  Or you're carrying around old shit. Lesley Logan 20:06  Yes, but, and you just keep repacking the old shit, and that's why you don't get anything new. Like, we had Brad Bisjack on, and I'm pretty sure it was in his episode we talked about, like, to get to the next level, you have to have a new backpack of stuff, you know. So anyways, like, I think there's some physical and mental unpacking a lot of us have to do if we want to be it till we see it. Brad Crowell 20:27  That's episode 589, if you're wondering. Brad Bizjack, it was a fantastic episode. Lesley Logan 20:32  I've stopped guessing, it's beyond. Brad Crowell 20:34  Yeah, it's all right, we're at 674, not 47.Lesley Logan 20:37  I wish I could have kept going, guys, it would have been like this thing, if you've been a longtime listener that like, wow, she keeps doing it. But now new listeners, I used to be like, I used to just get them right. This one, that one.Brad Crowell 20:49  Well, I really loved when she was talking about the next step after the red shoes, where she was talking about making space for new things, like the unpacking part of it. She said, in order for you to okay, hold on, how much joy do you actually want? How much joy do you want in your life? Lesley Logan 21:08  Okay, you're asking me? Brad Crowell 21:09  I'm asking you, how much joy do you want?Lesley Logan 21:11  Like, all the joy.Brad Crowell 21:12  All the joy, all the joy. I want all the joy. Do you want all the joy? Of course, why would we not say I want joy. I want happiness in my life? She said, equal to the level of joy and fulfillment and peace that you want in your life, you have to be willing to go as deep internally.Lesley Logan 21:29  Oh, I see yes.Brad Crowell 21:31  So if you want massive amounts of joy, you have to be willing to go massively deep into yourself. Right? And so she was talking about unpacking and letting go. And she said, you know, when she discovered some of the things, she said letting go of those things, it wasn't like an overnight thing. And she said it was actually she had, she to go through a grieving process when she was letting go of some of the things because, you know, you've, you've embraced this worldview for your entire life. Or you were, like someone hurt, you know, you were hurt in some way by someone or something or whatever, and or something failed, and it really, you know, scarred you. You know, she said, during the process of unpacking, it actually created a lot of grief. And she said, but if you don't do it, that emotion will sneak up on you and it will come back and bite you in the ass when you don't want it to. Lesley Logan 22:25  Right. You have to do it anyways. You're gonna have to do it. You may as well do it in a time when you're in control of it. Brad Crowell 22:30  Yeah. I mean, it's, it's part of the process of making space for something new. And she said, if we feel trapped, how we get out of that is we release, we go deeper in and then, and then we can come out the other side. So, you know, you, if you're feeling stuck right now, it has to be looking internally, and that's gonna be how (inaudible). Lesley Logan 22:49  All the work. Like, I don't want to do a little bit of work, just have a little bit of joy. That seems like an annoying amount of effort. I'd rather do a lot of work to have a lot of joy. Like that feels like I'm in it to win on that. Brad Crowell 22:58  100% well stick around we'll be right back. Lesley Logan 23:00  I want to go off on a tangent. Brad Crowell 23:01  Just get it, go up on a tangent. Lesley Logan 23:02  Okay, so, today, the day we're recording this, Margaret Margarita Margareta Magnusson died. She got people excited about or aware of something called the Swedish death cleaning. And the Swedish death cleaning is that you, you, it's a Scandinavian decluttering method that is about removing unnecessary items before you die, so that you're not leaving your fucking red shoes for someone else to back around. And the idea is, like, it's it's not supposed to be like, morbid. It's actually supposed to be like, you invite people over. They take that, you tell them the story about the things and the things that nobody wants, and you can, like, let go of and someone can take, so that when you pass, one, all those things are gone. And two, like, in your living days, tell people how important that was, or what that thing meant, or where the history of that thing was, so they can have it. And then when you pass, they don't have to clean up your crap.Brad Crowell 23:56  Yeah, it's Döstädning. I love it. That's actually brilliant. And as long as you're not guilt-tripping people into taking your shit, don't do that.Lesley Logan 24:05  Right. You know what? We all know who those people are in our lives, and we don't have to go so. Brad Crowell 24:08  Yeah, it's called Döstädning, and it, you know, as it works, as long as you're not guilt tripping people into taking your shit. But there's a book about it. It's called The Gentle Art of Swedish Death Cleaning.Lesley Logan 24:18  Do you think if I send that to my mom, it would be considered passive aggressive or just aggressive?Brad Crowell 24:26  Well, I mean, wait, that she should be doing this? Lesley Logan 24:30  I think that I. Brad Crowell 24:31  Well, but that means that we have to go, like, everyone goes to the place and there's like a ceremony. Lesley Logan 24:36  Other people go, I've already, don't I already already took what I need, but she should do it for other people.Brad Crowell 24:41  Yeah, no. I mean, I think this is wise. I think this, this is more of a process of actually the telling of the story and the stuff gives things meaning. Right. And so my grandfather didn't quite do it this way, but he while he was alive, he let the kids my my parent, my dad. And his siblings go through everything and get rid of it. So by the time, you know, when he did pass away, eventually, you know, the cleanup of his estate was like, it was done immediately. Everything was already ready to go. So I saw that, and that was, like, really helpful. But not gonna lie, even with being diligent, it took my parents years, years, even being diligent, right? Lesley Logan 25:24  And I, he didn't do it. But I do feel like the things, some of the things we took, we got the history of it through the family members, but like, I just, this is just on the tangent of like, sharing, like, in the physical and emotional space, of like, what can we do for the people around us so that they don't feel this need to carry on? Because I do think some of the listeners, like, I have family members who, like, won't let go of stuff, because, like, that was my like, I feel I've even heard your friend go, that's great grandpa's stuff. And it's like, holy shit. We are going to need bigger homes, not just like, physically, but. Brad Crowell 25:54  Like, we're making our own museums.Lesley Logan 25:56  Mentally, because, like, you, you it's hard. It's just anyways, we all want to be better people want to have joy in sometimes we're don't. We don't have that because we got a bunch of other people's stuff in the way. That's all. Anyways, it's just another way of thinking about it.Brad Crowell 26:08  Wait one, one less way to be trapped. Yeah, because, because trapped now, now I'm see because trapped is two things. You can be trapped by keeping the stuff yourself. You can also be trapped if someone dies and leaves you a bunch of shit you got to deal with. So, right? You know, like, it's, it's definitely challenging so.Lesley Logan 26:25  And it's, and when they, and if they do those red shoes she's talking about, I'm just thinking about like, when people die suddenly, or they die and there's unanswered emotional like problems and stuff like, you then feel like you have to protect the red shoes. And so I just think that there's some things we could be doing as we be it until we see it, as we change our lives, become better than the people like we once were to get 1% better, whatever those things are. How can we be making it so that the people around us don't carry our fucking red shoes? I don't want anyone carrying I mean, you might like them, but I don't want anyone have it feel like they have to. Brad Crowell 26:54  All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items with Shari Teigman. Brad Crowell 27:01  Welcome back. All right, let's talk about the Be It Action Items that you have with your convo with Shari Teigman. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away? She said, when it comes to being trapped and going deeper and trying to figure that out, how do we do that? She said, however, you need to. Punch it out. Punch a pillow. Cry in a pillow, write it out, burn it out, whatever your ritual needs to be, dance it out. Bang it out. She explains that we have to tell the truth to ourselves. We cannot pretend that like only having the highlight reel and then that that's okay and it's gonna allow us to feel like a human, because otherwise it will still sneak up on you, right? If we don't allow emotion, the emotion will sneak up on you when you don't want it. And she said, emotion is just emotion. It's not good or bad. Lesley Logan 27:44  This goes back to Dr. Bender, like her second interview. She's like, we always are trying to figure out the reason why we feel an emotion. But she's like, just let it go by. Sometimes it's just emotion your body wants to feel. It has nothing to do with what you're thinking about right now. Brad Crowell 27:55  Yeah, she said she views this active emotional release as essential. Basically, she said, I'm going to grieve, because it's part of my process of making space for something new. So, yeah, I thought that was great. I mean, I think especially acknowledging that emotion is just emotion. It's not good or bad. Don't judge yourself, you know. I mean, don't maybe don't break a window. But, like, you know, if you have to be loud, be loud. It's okay. Lesley Logan 28:21  When I leave breath work for the Agency members, I'm like, you could laugh, you could cry, you could do you could want to, like, scream into a pillow. You could need to get up and dance. You can need to shake your hands like you don't need to figure out why you need to do that. Just do the thing because it doesn't like, it's just, we're we're trying to release what's inside you. We don't have to figure out why we need to release what's inside you. Just let it go. Okay. Brad Crowell 28:39  Yeah. What about you? Lesley Logan 28:40  So many good so many good things. But this is brilliant. She said, clean up the internal contradictions, which, by the way, as an ADHD person, this is like, I'm a walking internal contradiction. But if you don't understand, I like people, I want to be away from them. She's, she's like, you're, she said, if you're saying, you want to have a bigger life, but you keep making micro choices. You're lying to your nervous system, because you're answering the old version of yourself like you're not actually doing the work you're not doing the be it till you see it. This is basically what you're doing. So she said, the identity you want for the life you you want is going to require align actions to that. So what you want, you have to make align actions for that. It sounds common sensical, but look at the internal contradictions you're doing. What are you doing that's not necessarily aligned? So she advises to choose your actions intentionally instead of making excuses. And I think this is, you know, really important. I remember, like trying to figure out, like, an excuse for why I was late for things or not able to do stuff. And honestly, it's so much easier to go I just didn't do it. I screwed up, like, instead of I think it's a lot easier, and you can just move on and go from there. So I agree with that. And then she said, once you clean all this up, the questions you ask will become much more clear and much more honest, and then you'll get those like, answers that align with that. So she this is just such a good episode. You have to listen to the whole thing. So if you haven't, got to go listen to it, because we cannot do Shari Teigman the way Shari Teigman does Shari Teigman. You got to listen to her. And she does have a journal coming out, The Maverick Way: A Field Guide to Coming Undone on Purpose. And you can go follow her on Instagram. We have all that in there. Shari Teigman. So anyways, I love it. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 30:18  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 30:19  Hey, go listen to the episode. Share it with a girlfriend who needs to hear it. Share it with a friend who's carrying around someone else's red shoes. And maybe that becomes the thing like, sounds like you got some red shoes of somebody's, I don't know, share it with a friend, because this is how the podcast continues to grow. Gets even better guests. Brad Crowell 30:35  Even better. Lesley Logan 30:35  I'm so excited for where we're growing, and the people that we've been able to get on. The lineup that you've got coming up is some really fun, amazing things. So go, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 30:44  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 30:45  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 31:27  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 31:32  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 31:37  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 31:44  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 31:47  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Brad Crowell 32:00  Hi, okey doke. Episode 647. Lesley Logan 32:06  Wait. Say that again. Brad Crowell 32:09  Episode 647 Lesley Logan 32:10  Say it one more time. Brad Crowell 32:12  Episode 647Lesley Logan 32:13  674 Brad Crowell 32:16  Episode 674 Lesley Logan 32:18  Whoa, dyslexic. Hey, keepsake. How about keepsake on that one. Lesley Logan 32:24  Episode 674, Shari Teigman. Lesley Logan 32:27  Just so we are all clear, because I need evidence and receipts. My husband, two days in a row has just that dyslexic marking these dates down.Brad Crowell 32:36  Any fucking way. Let's move on. All right. 674, Shari Teigman. Bayon, thank you. Please don't bark. Brad Crowell 32:45  Stan Kenton wrote, wrote something called the wow. My my middle school no high school jazz band. My high school jazz band actually played from start to finish, pausing. 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It is easy to get trapped in the "but I've always done it this way" cycle, but making an impact requires the courage to put a bow on things that no longer serve your bigger vision. In this last Fuck Yeah Friday episode of April, Lesley Logan dives into the power of ending programs with grace to make room for what's next. She celebrates incredible global wins, from conservation success stories to falling crime rates, while highlighting how to embrace being a badass at the boring-but-necessary tasks like bookkeeping.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Positive news and wins happening right now from around the world.The importance of cheering for peers who raise their rates.Navigating tax season and the victory of mastering QuickBooks reports.Reflection on the strategic decision to end the business retreat.Episode References/Links:Winning Mindset - https://beitpod.com/winningmindsetSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:44  Hi, Be it babe, you made it to the end of April. You're here. You did it. Oh my god 1/3 of the year wrapped up. We're done, right? So I don't know if that's a win or like, oh my god. I don't know. I'm recording this in February. I'm unclear whether we were, like, wanting this year to get faster or slow down, you know, but hopefully you're enjoying that freedom horse. So I have inspirational posts, then a win of yours, then a win of mine, and a mantra for you. So if you're new to our Friday episodes. It's a short and quick, wonderful episode, and that scratching in the background is my dog literally not comfortable in his bed. Lesley Logan 1:30  Okay, good news from around the world that nobody talks about this is from Winning Mindset. So Australia can become the first nation in the world to eliminate cervical cancer. That's so fucking cool. That is amazing. Pandas are no longer considered at risk of extinction. This is one of the greatest success stories in wildlife conservation.Lesley Logan 1:52  It's amazing. Pandas are, you know what? They're like, (inaudible) to me, they're like, what's happening? Are these bears? What's going on? Portugal is preparing to open Europe's first large elephant sanctuary for elephants rescued from circuses and zoos. So that's interesting. I guess I would have thought that there was an elephant sanctuary already. But also, how many elephants are in Europe because I'm sure that they almost all been brought there. So way to go, Portugal. I love a true elephant sanctuary. The green turtle is no longer considered an endangered species, so that's crazy. Don't let people think that this means that there's no global warming, because there is. It just means that we're doing a better job saving species. The Netherlands are closing prisons that falling as falling crime rates reduce the number of inmates since 2009 more than 20 prisons have closed. That is amazing. I want that for us. I do. Well, I mean by us, I mean in the US, I know we have a lot of people listening all over the place. I have a lot of thoughts on prisons, and I know it's hard because there are some bad people out there, but also, like we're not recidivizing them very well, so we could be doing better. Norway has done the unthinkable, becoming the first country in the world to achieve near zero deforestation rates. I mean, my goodness, how cool is that? Freaking cool. Canada has passed a law that prohibits keeping large great apes and elephants in captivity. I love that. I mean, yes, I of course, I want people to see these animals, but also I want you to travel and see the world. You know, like, we got to a place where, like, the world's coming to us all the time, and I think we need to go see the world. I think that's what makes us more empathetic human beings. So I'm really excited about that. Go Canada. Some Dutch engineers created the world's largest vacuum cleaner, it's 600 meters long, which collects plastic from the oceans and helps restore marine life. I'm obsessed with that. So anyways, some good news, right? Lesley Logan 3:52  All right, so now it's for your win. This is from Amanda Barbee. She wrote, I think this is my favorite one so far, videographer we are learning together just increased her rates because she found her magic number six posts and I forgot how many reels, because I have been offline more, it's only $500 I only need to sell a new package a month. That's amazing. She has some more wins. But I love this. I love when women support women like sometimes when, like, we work with someone and we know our worth, and then sometimes they raise the rates on us, and we're like, right? But really, if our response is, yeah, like, of course, good job. Like, that's the best thing. I love it. When people in my life, services I use raise their rates, I go, fuck yeah, go, girl, get it, you know, like, and then sometimes things become out of my price point, and that's fine. I can still, I can still want to see them win, right? So she also said that she was able to talk to a quick book customer service rep for an hour yesterday, and got positive reinforcement that I am savvy with QuickBooks and with the interface so well, and that I'm a good business person because I've pulled through the same report three different ways to cross reference my blah, blah, blah, and I did it all myself. Thanks for thanks to the reps that they use, I've been able to do it this only one and a half hours without having bookkeeping fiascos. I mean, here's the deal I'm gonna tell you right now, if you are someone who had your taxes all done and this, Amanda said this to me in February, in February, no matter if you feel like you're a baller at QuickBooks or WooCommerce or whatever the tools you have to use, like you're kind of bad as you're very much winning. My team was like, we're just waiting on some things, but our taxes are basically done. We'll just file them in April, because that's when we file our personals. And I was like, oh, I mean, like, I feel like, what an amazing win, because no one wants to deal with that. So if you are dealing with the stuff no one wants to deal with, you are winning, right? Like, sometimes we're like, oh, I didn't do anything this week. All I did was my taxes. You know what? Something people avoid. So way to fucking go. That's a big way that I would put that in the big win category. Lesley Logan 5:50  All right. So now a win of mine. So we have this program that not many people know that we have, every other year do a business retreat for Pilates instructors, and we've done, I think this will be our we just wrapped our fifth one. Want to say it was our fifth. One might have been our fourth. I think it was our fifth. And about three months before it was about to happen, we also had these other ideas of some stuff that we're working on, and I'll share more with you as I can. But at any rate, something like one of my values is authenticity. Another value is transparency, another value is communication. Right? And a lot of people, whenever we have a program, they're like, oh, I can't do this. I'll do the next one. And I knew there's a lot of people saying they want to do a next, the next one. And I just wanted to be honest with people, you know, when I realized that like for us to continue to move forward on some of the things that we're working on, for us to have the impact that we want to make we can't do every single program we've ever done forever. We have to like something has to go. And as much as I love our business retreat that we do in the capacity that we do it, I know that we can't promise that we'll do one ever again. I guess it doesn't mean we'll never do one, but like in the capacity that we do it, the way that we currently host it. It just, it can't continue. And so I wanted, we made that announcement a few months ago, and we just wrapped that amazing last one, and it was such a celebration. I think sometimes when things are the last you like, there's almost like, it's easy for it to almost be like an ending, or like a funeral, you know, like, you're like, oh, like, I watched Suni Lee, like, doing her last floor thing, and the way she was giving herself a pep talk was like, it's yes, it's the last one, but it's a celebration of all the hard work. And so I just want to say, like, our my win is we recognized it was the last one before it was, before it happened, so that we could really, truly give everything we wanted to it. No regrets, no oh, I wish I'd done that before we ended it and I could put a bow on it like that's wrapped, that's a wrap. And I'm proud of the work we did, and I'm proud of the lives we changed, and I'm proud of the people that we coached in that capacity. And I don't know what's next for an idea like that or a program like that in this moment, I don't need to that's a win. That's a win. We can actually be proud of the work that we did and put a bow on it. And I think for my overachievers listening, that's really hard to do, like I always have done it, so I have to keep doing it, and the truth is we don't. So thank you to every single person around the world who came to that program. Thank you for being you. It was really such an honor to do that event. I don't take it lightly. The impact in the world has been incredible. The takeaways that we always hear are remarkable, and I can't wait to see what you do next, truly. Lesley Logan 8:32  All right, your mantra for the week. I have come farther than I would have ever thought possible, and I am learning along the way. I have come farther than I would ever have thought possible, and I'm learning along the way. Yes, you have and you are, you're amazing. You're being it till you see it. Have an amazing day. Lesley Logan 8:51  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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What does it look like to truly radiate love and respect from the inside out? Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down the powerful conversation with Angie Hawkins, an "Inner Glow Coach" and author of Running in Slippers. A former high-achieving corporate professional who survived a suicide attempt, Angie's story is a profound roadmap for anyone chasing external validation at the expense of their soul. Lesley and Brad explore the political nature of beauty standards, the necessity of nervous system regulation, and why your self-love actually raises the world's vibration. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Understand the link between beauty standards and the loss of rights.Discover why inner glow starts with internal love and respect.Learn how radiant self-love combats global negativity and low vibrations.Explore the importance of enforcing boundaries to protect your energy.Master Angie's three-step process for a total personal life transformation.Episode References/Links:OPC Spring Training (Virtual Event) - opc.me/eventseLevate Mentorship Program - lesleylogan.co/elevatePilates Summer Tour - opc.me/tourThe Body Is Not an Apology by Sonya Renee Taylor - https://a.co/d/0jjAUZbzRunning in Slippers Book - https://www.runninginslippers.com/shopFree 60-Minute Find Your Glow Session - https://www.runninginslippers.com/coachingAngie Hawkin's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/angiehawkins808Mindi's Closet - https://www.mindiscloset.comMason Pearson - https://masonpearson.comHigherDOSE Dry Brush - https://beitpod.com/higherdoseaffiliateSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Brad Crowell 0:00  What she discovered was it was actually going internal that allowed her to see who she is and understand, you know, the value that she has, and began to change things, you know. So she said, it's about coming back home to who you actually are. Instead of trying to change all these things that are you're doing, or in your life, or all these external things, it's internal.Lesley Logan 0:24  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:06  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the liberating convo I have with Angie Hawkins in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause, because she's pretty cool. I think she's.Brad Crowell 1:19  She's cool. Also like really powerful story.Lesley Logan 1:21  Powerful story, and thoughtful and, like, talk about it, be it till you see it story, and she's helping people. And so, I mean, you got to listen to it. You definitely should listen to it.Brad Crowell 1:30  Yeah, it's, it's, if you're sensitive to talking about suicide, she didn't go into gory details. But, like, yeah, that was, that's part of her story. Lesley Logan 1:38  You can skip that part. Yeah. We talk about, I mean, you can skip that part. Brad Crowell 1:42  I think it also made it even that much more powerful, because it wasn't like she was a angst, angsty teenager. You know, she was in, she was, she had a corporate career, and, like, even moved, you know, to a beautiful place to live. And still, you know, was, was unfulfilled and unhappy, and now today, she seems like she has come a long way. In a much different place.Lesley Logan 2:05  Yeah, I agree. And I, you know, it's hard when it's hard when people kind of bring up that part of their story, because I am like, oh gosh, I have, like, inserted a hey, skip ahead 30 seconds. And also they're on the other side of it. So I do kind of feel like hearing the whole journey is important too. Like, I don't want to take that away from people, and so it's, it's hard to make the decision. But also I, and I want people to speak really about their life. And I just really like her, I like what she's doing. I like her book. Everything's good. So today is April 23rd 2026 and it's Love Your Thighs Day. Brad Crowell 2:37  That's right. Lesley Logan 2:38  Love thyself.Brad Crowell 2:39  Love thy thighs.Lesley Logan 2:40  Yeah, no. Love thigh thigh self. Love thigh self. Brad Crowell 2:43  Love thigh self. Lesley Logan 2:44  Yes. This day is celebrated on the fourth, yeah, this day is celebrated on the fourth Thursday of a of April every year, and this year, it falls on April 23rd. Women all over the world have a love hate relationship with their bodies. They're constantly encouraged to love their bodies in a society where beauty standards have been predefined and sometimes are unreachable. In fact, most fucking time, Love Your Thighs Day seeks to mitigate this and tell all women around the world that no matter what their bodies look like, they should love them because it's theirs to cherish. You know, it's really interesting this last year's award season, the women are getting a little too, like, on the too skinny side. And I hate saying that because I don't want to judge.Brad Crowell 3:28  The 90s, the 90s thing. Lesley Logan 3:29  Yeah. And it's just really hard because, like, we grew up with that, so that was just, like, the norm, and like, whatever ones are trying to be. And then we had this like, moment where we're like, oh my god, that's, like, so unhealthy. And like, there, here's all the information, and like you can't, like you can't, bigger doesn't mean unhealthy, and all these different things. And now we're seeing that again, and it's it's hard for me to watch because I've also been too skinny. And, you know, I get people who say shitty things to me because I they my old YouTube videos are up, and we don't take them down. And you know, I'm in a different body that I'm learning to love and the and I like, I think it's interesting, because people like, oh, you used to be skinnier, and it's like, yeah, I used to be younger, too. I used to, used to have a different metabolism. I used to live in LA, like, I used to, I used to not teach Pilates. Like, there's a lot of used to's. So it's just really kind of interesting. I think the other thing that's really interesting is whenever they're trying to take your rights away. We talked about this before in the podcast, whenever they're trying to take women's rights away. If you look at the trends of what women what beauty in women is, it's always the skinny body, because they want you starving so you're not fueled in your brain to realize they're taking your rights away. The trad wife situation and being super thin, all of that coincides with every time they try to take women's rights away. And so I would just say, like, there's a great book. It's called the body is not an apology. The Body Is Not an Apology by Sonya Renee Taylor, excellent listen-to on tape if you are not a reader. Beautiful book to read. She had a great interview with Brené Brown many, many years ago because somebody attributed Sonia's quotes to Brené Brown, and Brené Brown's like, that's not my quote. Who said that? Let's make sure we give it to that person. And then Brené Brown interviewed her, and the whole patriarchy would fall down if we all, as women, stopped buying into that there's a certain standard of beauty. All of it is all the smoke and mirrors that has us busy spending money and making sure we look a certain way so we appeal to people who supposedly have the keys of the kingdom that we're looking for. And so you can start by just loving your own thighs. Show them off. Brad Crowell 5:34  I dig it. Lesley Logan 5:34  You know, we first moved to Vegas, I had to start filming in shorts, and I hated it because I could see my cellulite. And I was like, oh, I really hate that. And then one of our members was like, thanks for showing what real legs look like. And I was like, oh, that's a compliment. Okay, but, but, but also then I was like, fuck it. That made her feel good. And so now I'm going to wear shorts. It was a be it till I see it into loving myself in shorts. And now I just wear these short shorts, and my thighs are bigger than you think. And you know what it actually, I don't care. And I love (inaudible). I really do. They're great legs. So I think you have to kind of be it till you see it in some of these things, and you give permission for other people too, as well. So. Brad Crowell 6:12  You got this. Lesley Logan 6:13  Go, love your thighs. Thick thighs save lives. I don't know what business sells that shirt, but there's a business that sells a shirt that says, thick thighs save lives. And I highly recommend supporting that.Brad Crowell 6:23  It's like a whole meme.Lesley Logan 6:24  Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I got a sweatshirt from them, and I got tshirt from them, and it's, it's got the love thigh self and thick thighs save lives, yeah, yeah. So you can find one, I'm sure. Someone will make you one. You know what? Mindi on OPC will probably make you one with Mindi's Closet. So there you go. Lesley Logan 6:41  All right, spring training is around the corner, literally around the corner. We're gonna get those big thighs up over that head of yours. Believe it or not, it is possible. It is true and or we're gonna help you find out what exercises you are going to work on to get there. If you go to opc.me/events you can grab your ticket. If you're an OPC member, check your email. We send you instructions on how to sign up for free. If you're not OPC member, it's a nominal fee. Show up. It's fun. It's good time. eLevate, my mentorship program for comprehensively trained teachers, is almost full, if it's not already filled, but there might be a spot left. You just go to lesleylogan.co/elevate, and see if it's what you're looking for, and get on a call with Brad chat about what it is I just I had the best let me, can I? I'm gonna read a win from today's eLevate. I'm gonna keep their names private. But let me just tell you, this was so freaking sweet. Hold on.Brad Crowell 7:32  While you're while you're pulling that up. Summer tour is coming soon, so in August, we're gonna be hitting the road, and you can get information about that also when you're on the opc.me/events waitlist. But if you go to opc.me/tour tickets may be open really soon, like in the next week or three, so stay tuned for that, opc.me/tour. So tell me about eLevate.Lesley Logan 7:57  So one of the members this year said, I'd like to thank Lesley for pairing me with her partner, we just get each other. And while I feel like we're the odd couple, she's really neat in her practice, while I'm really messy and still trying to find my longest spine shapes, she's so patient with me. I also feel that her classical background complements my contemporary we definitely have our sessions feeling so much more accomplished, and the props are serious game changer. How fun is that? How sweet. Brad Crowell 8:21  I love it. I think it's amazing. Lesley Logan 8:22  I know. So you know you that could be you. You could be, like, having fun with another person this industry, like learning together. And it's just, it's beautiful. Brad Crowell 8:29  We have had many a an un-sought-out best friend matching. Yeah, we are connecting people who are going to work together for nine months, and then a lot of them stay connected afterwards. And we're we love that. We think that's amazing.Lesley Logan 8:42  They still work out together. And also in the alumni group, they're. Brad Crowell 8:46  I just talked to someone in from group one, who still talks to her partner often, yeah, like all the time.Lesley Logan 8:52  In three times a week now, there are eLevate grads from all the different rounds that work out together. There are three different ongoing weekly sessions that happen. Brad Crowell 9:01  I love that. Lesley Logan 9:02  Oh yeah. Every Wednesday, at 8am there are people in the UK, Florida, Colorado and California who work out together. Brad Crowell 9:07  Come on. Lesley Logan 9:08  On Sunday mornings, there's another group of people, oh yeah. And then then there's one. I don't know what the time the third group is I haven't really seen it yet, but I say that it's consistent. It's so much fun. It's great. Brad Crowell 9:17  That's awesome. Lesley Logan 9:18  Yeah. And also, the one of the groups has decided to watch their replays along the same weekend time as the current group is going through it. So. Brad Crowell 9:28  Wow. That's a commitment. Lesley Logan 9:29  They're watching their, they're watching their mat replays during the mat now that we'll just wrap the reformer there on the reformer section right now. It's hilarious. Brad Crowell 9:37  I think it's great. Lesley Logan 9:37  I love it.Brad Crowell 9:38  Amazing. Good for them. Lesley Logan 9:40  Like you never stop learning. So, anyways.Brad Crowell 9:42  All right, well, before we get into this amazing interview, we had a question, Ebbflowpilates on Instagram asks, hi, can you tell me more about the brush that you're using? Do you have a link?Lesley Logan 9:54  Oh, the brush for my mat to clean it?Brad Crowell 9:57  Oh, that's for your mat? Lesley Logan 9:59  Yeah. Brad Crowell 9:59  I thought it was like a face, face brush, which is why I included it here when we're loving our thighs.Lesley Logan 10:03  Oh, okay, well, I will give you all the brushes that I use, okay, so, but I remember seeing this question on the mat cleaning video that we have a YouTube video on, like how to clean your equipment. We have a live and a long form. So honestly, I use a baby's toothbrush. One that's very soft, bristle baby's toothbrush. That's the type of brush that I use for cleaning my equipment. For brushing my eyebrows, I use a spoolie, that's what they're called, and I use that spoolie to dye them. That's what I do. That's how they look this good. I dye them myself, because who has the time for another appointment? For my hair. I love the Mason Pearson, but, Heather, one of our Be It babes, bought me a another kind of brush that I can use in the shower. And it's a little. Brad Crowell 10:54  It's like a detangler. Lesley Logan 10:55  The detangler, and I'm it's the one with the handle. Apparently, it's very famous for not having a handle, but I have too thick of hair for that. Brad Crowell 11:02  Oh, right. Lesley Logan 11:02  So I like that one that she got me for in the shower, and also, I'll take it on travel, because I'm not worried about losing a very expensive British brush.Brad Crowell 11:11  Yeah. What's the British brush called? Lesley Logan 11:15  Mason Pearson? Mason Pearson. And that's what I think. It's beautiful. It's like, oh my god, it's like a mid century blue.Brad Crowell 11:23  Yeah, Mason Pearson hairbrush.Lesley Logan 11:25  Okay, let me tell you how the best way to get that brush in the States, my friends. Go to the U.K. and buy or, if you know a Brit who's flying in, have them pack it, because it was, it's so affordable, until you put the shipping on it, and then you immediately makes you order from the U.S., it's double the price. Brad Crowell 11:44  Is it affordable though? It's not a cheap brush. Lesley Logan 11:46  No, but it works. My hair looks amazing. I mean, if you're watching the YouTube video right now, you're like, Lesley, is it? We're three days out from a hair dye, so leave it alone. But yes, my hair is growing. I have very little breakage. I didn't even have a haircut for a year because, like, I've had no breakage. So those are the brushes I use. I'm trying to think, if there's another kind of brush, oh, I like a dry brush. HigherDOSE has a great dry brush. It's got copper in it.Brad Crowell 12:06  You got the pure boar or the boar and nylon? You have the mix. Lesley Logan 12:11  I have the mix because my, for the Mason Pearson, yeah, I have boar bristle which is really great for getting the oil, because I don't like to wash my hair every day. So it pulls the oil out of the roots and into the tips. It makes my hair nice and shiny and healthy and all that kind of stuff. But it depends. They'll have a little information on their site for Mason Pearson, like, what type of brush you get, because there's a full boar, there's a full like, silicone or whatever, and then there's mix. But I have, I have hair that needs mix.Brad Crowell 12:34  Yeah, there's, there's boar, nylon or.Lesley Logan 12:37  Here's why I really like it. It's doesn't have little balls at the end. So when you're taking the tangles out, it's not ripping them or pulling the tangle into a tighter not. I, you know, I have Type 2A hair. So if you have Type 2A wave hair, you know what that means?Brad Crowell 12:55  There's a there's a there's a rating system for hair?Lesley Logan 12:57  Yes, yes, Type 2A wave means your hair tangles. That's what it means. It means that the waves don't make any sense, and so when my hair is down, it just becomes a rat's nest within two hours. Don't even give me a scarf with my hair down or coat. That is a disaster. I try to do like a I like a low bun. Why do I like a low bun? Because a low pony is just a recipe for a tangle that is just in a ponytail. So I have to, even if I like my make my hair wavy and do the wave into it. Great. Now it's just gonna be a dread, like just dreads of wave knots. So. Brad Crowell 13:33  Party on. Well, anyway. Baby toothbrushes for the mat. Lesley Logan 13:38  Yes, for your Pilates equipment use that. All right. Brad Crowell 13:43  All right. Well, if you have a question, text us at 310-905-5534, or send it in to beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 13:51  I'm clearly a wealth of knowledge. I can give you the names of every brush.Brad Crowell 13:57  beitpod.com/questions leave us a win or a question. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Angie Hawkins. Brad Crowell 14:04  Welcome back. Let's talk about Angie Hawkins. Angie is an "Inner Glow Coach" and the author of the raw memoir Running in Slippers, which I thought was a great title. She explains that on the episode. So if you're interested in understanding that, go back and listen to the interview.Lesley Logan 14:21  Because they're not the slippers you think.Brad Crowell 14:23  They certainly are not. She's a former corporate professional with over 20 years of experience. Angie spent decades as a high achieving people-pleaser who chased external validation until a move from Chicago to Hawaii revealed that she could not outrun her internal struggles after surviving a suicide attempt and navigating a profound rock bottom during the pandemic, she left the corporate world to help other women stop seeking approval outside of themselves and instead cultivate a deep sense of love, safety and confidence from within. Incredibly powerful story. Lesley Logan 14:55  Really, enjoy her. I really, really did I, when we were doing the conversation was like, oh my gosh, how many other places can I help you be heard? Because, like, you're just doing great work. One of the things I love that she said, Is your inner glow is radiating in your own love and respect so much that it's actually radiating to people outside of you. So like, when you really get that inner glow on, like, it's kind of like, it's like when people talk about you and you're not in the room, but it's all good. You know what I mean? Like, they like, they think about you, and they just start, oh, have you heard of this person? Like, because, like, your inner glow is so out there. People can't help but, like, pick up on it and, like, radiate it out as well. Brad Crowell 15:32  Well, she's also talking about, like, the people around her saying, oh, you're glowing. And she said she didn't think like that it was anything particularly external that they were seeing, they were attracting. She was, you know, because her, her mindset was shifting so much it, you know, everyone was picking up on it, and that's when they were saying, you're glowing.Lesley Logan 15:58  I know it's weird. This is how Angie and I are very different. She was glowing from the inside out and radiating out people are like you're glowing oh my skincare line is so good. But like, but she you when, if you watch her, you'll see like, she's just got such joy around her, and she's so connected to the work that she does and how it helped her so that she's helping others. And she emphasized that energy doesn't just stop at the individual. Energy extends outward, inspiring others and potentially raising the vibration of the entire universe. And you know, I'm into that, because I believe that if you do Pilates, you connect yourself. You're more connected to yourself. You're not an asshole, if you're not an asshole, then other people aren't gonna be met with an asshole. Brad Crowell 16:36  It's one less asshole in the world. Do Pilates. Lesley Logan 16:38  And that's gonna change the vibration. Yeah. I'm in, I'm in.Brad Crowell 16:41  More Pilates, less assholes.Lesley Logan 16:42  Yeah. So she argued that you're either contributing to the world's negative vibration or you're raising it. And I agree. You're, I don't think that there's like a middle ground. You're either contributing or you're raising it. And I do, she also said that radiant self-love is a way to combat the chaos and negativity happening in the world right now. You guys while we're recording this, there's a fucking ton of shit going on, impossible to describe. It's like, when people ask, How am I doing? I have to go.Brad Crowell 17:09  Compartmentalize first, then answer. Lesley Logan 17:12  Yeah. Like, well, if we take what's going on in the world out, I'm doing great. I'm doing amazing. If you're gonna add that back in? I don't even know how to answer that question, but, like, but I do think that, like, it is something we can do with that bubble of influence that we can have, you know? Brad Crowell 17:30  Yeah, absolutely. All right. So when she was talking about that, there's a light inside of us that, you know, I found that really interesting, like resonating to me. And I think, like, part of it is, also, I have a couple thoughts, it's kind of like charisma, right? We don't realize, realize the risk, yeah, it's risk. We don't realize how impactful it is or or can be, and when we are, when we are not putting ourselves first, or we are seeking perfectionism, like even if it's subconsciously or people pleasing, we're dimming our own light. And for her, she said she told us the story about when she almost died, she was with her friend, and she said to her friend, I can't believe I'm not dead. And her friend's response was, it's not your time to go, right? And she said there was something in that moment that, like, really snapped her out of everything that she'd been doing for decades. And she, shortly thereafter, you know, started making dramatic life changes and leaving her job and things like that. And she, she she said that, you know, I think when people started to see the shift in her, the glow, they were talking about, you know, because she said, we are born with the light inside of us, but we just, we let it get dimmed.Lesley Logan 18:53  It does. It gets dimmed because of, like, things her parents say, they're, they're, they mean well, but like, you know, you talk too much, or you're just, you take too much attention, like your you know, like you be quiet, and then, like, those are, like, all appropriate things, but like, you start to internalize them, depending on who you are. And then a teacher tells you, like, oh, that was so stupid, but you took it as I'm stupid. And then, like, a boss is all of a sudden, it's like layers upon layers of these things that you internalize, and your light just gets dimmer and dimmer. Because some unless you have people around you to turn it back up, you know, or you do, you got to turn it back up. So I agree, and it just gets hard.Brad Crowell 19:30  Yeah, I think ultimately, her argument was that a lot of the self-help stuff, she really said she did a lot of it, like trying to, yeah, like, figure things out. This is, like, before the move. She's, you know, she said she did a lot of that stuff in her 30s, and basically, she said it's almost always an external change that they're recommending. And she, what she discovered was it was actually going internal that allowed her to see who she is and understand, you know, the value that she has, and began to change things, you know? So she said, it's about coming back home to who you actually are. Instead of trying to change all these things that are you're doing, or in your life, or all these external things, it's internal, you know?Lesley Logan 20:16  Yeah, no, it is. I mean, like, going back to, like, love thigh self, right? Like, your external body is going to change. And yes, there's arguments of, like, I just want to be attracted to the person when I'm younger. That's a different story, but you're the actual outside of you is going to change. So if all you're ever working on is the outside stuff, you're missing out, like the inside is, like, ideally, just gets brighter and more profound and more knowledgeable and more connected and more in tuned. You know, we have a series coming up about listening to your inner voice, your intuition, and one of the things you can't have intuition is if you don't have experience. So that's why, when you're younger, you don't have the intuition that you have when you're older, because you don't have life experiences around certain things. And I think that like as we get older, like, that's one thing we have that we didn't have we were younger. It's like this sense of experience of what's real. I like that she emphasizes, like, going inward and getting to know that.Brad Crowell 21:10  Yeah, it's just fascinating to listen to her, and also a little bit shocking, because I didn't see that part of her story in who she is today, you know? And so it was really interesting, because it kind of took me by surprise, but also, wow, how much has she learned from that experience? So stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about those really powerful Be It Action Items that we had with Angie Hawkins. Brad Crowell 21:38  All right, y'all welcome back. We're going to dig into these Be It Action Items we have with Angie. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from that convo? And she said strong boundaries is like one of the most important things. It's huge. And she said the hard part is not setting the boundaries. The hard part is enforcing the boundaries right so you can make all the boundaries you want up in your head. If you blow past them, it doesn't matter, right? And she said, there's also people who will intentionally try to walk over the boundaries that you're setting, and, you know, and, and they'll just try to, like, there's something weird about it. Like people like to break the rules and press, you know, they like to press their luck, all those kinds of things. And for her today, her boundaries are usually mostly, well, what you discussed was mostly around her work. She's like, yeah, I just don't coach people on the weekends. And she said that when people will ask, she'll just tell them, oh, sorry, yeah, I don't coach on the weekends. And she said, if they really press me on that, they're probably not the person that I actually want as a client, because they're not just gonna push that boundary. They're gonna break everything, or do none of the work that I'm working on them with, like, all those kinds of things. And she's like, yeah, so. Lesley Logan 22:52  We're just talking about this with our friend Michael, who like, also, like coaches people and, like, some of the things that people, like, expect of things and like, they just push and push. And you're like, okay, I'll do this. Okay, I'll make this what's just what this one time? And it's like, actually, it's not like, I remember when I first started teaching Pilates, people thought I was crazy because I wouldn't offer a discount to people who pay in cash. And I'm like, so what happens when one time, they're like, oh, I don't have cash. Can I just pay for a check today? And then they're like, oh, it's the same price, right? Because this is one time, yeah, it's like, it's never, just one fucking time, never, never. It's like, let me just see what I can get away with. And, you know, I'm not saying they're all trying to be nefarious. I don't think it's a conscious thing. I think it's like, sometimes subconscious. Brad Crowell 23:32  Yeah, you know, you just have to be able to say, no, sorry.Lesley Logan 23:36  Also, if you don't know if that person's pressing you, you can also say, can I get back to you? And then that way you can take a moment to see, is this some, is this a boundary that they're crossing?Brad Crowell 23:46  Honestly, that was one of the best ways to get out of a tough situation is like, can I, can I think about that and get back to you? And to just say that, because it gives you space where you don't feel pressured to make a decision in the moment that you will you know might regret later, and it allows you the space to, you know, actually, like, like, mull it over and decide, what do I actually want to do? And then obviously, you still have to go back to him and respond, but it takes away that in the moment pressure, you know, yeah. What about you?Lesley Logan 24:17  Okay. This is great. Get ready. Write this down. Three-step process for personal transformation. This is Angie Hawkins, three-step process for personal transformation.Brad Crowell 24:25  I love this, by the way.Lesley Logan 24:26  Decide any meaningful change in your life comes from a decision.Brad Crowell 24:30  Yeah, decide you have to do it. Have to decide.Lesley Logan 24:33  Without total commitment, the wishy washy energy leads to quitting the second it gets hard. 100%. Decide, you can't make a wrong decision. It's gonna get you to where you're gonna go. You're gonna learn something. Take action. It's all about feeling the fear and doing it anyway, which is also in conjunction with part three. But hello, if you listen to this podcast, you know that action brings clarity, it's the same. And then part three, nervous system regulation. Before you take action, prime your nervous system. You can do that by sitting up straight. Breathing. And she also suggested the goddess walk is walking into a space with ownership, regardless of internal anxiety. Brad Crowell 25:07  I have arrived. Lesley Logan 25:08  Exactly, exactly. I really, I think that if I think that it's.Brad Crowell 25:12  They're very practical. You know, it's great. Lesley Logan 25:14  Anyone could do this. Decide, take action, regulate your nervous system. Yeah, walk like the goddess that you fucking are. Brad Crowell 25:22  Yeah, today I had to get up really early for a doctor's appointment, and last night, I decided I will wake up at, you know, this time so that I can make it on time to the thing. And you know, my alarm was accidentally soft. Don't know why it was soft, but somehow I heard it and I woke up. Lesley Logan 25:42  Well, it's good you made that decision. Oh, thank god because you didn't text me. And so when you came into the yoga you're like, bye, and I'm like, he got himself up, okay. Brad Crowell 25:50  Up and out. Lesley Logan 25:51  All right. He's, he's on it. He's doing it.Brad Crowell 25:54  Something amazing about making a decision.Lesley Logan 25:56  Well, I couldn't agree more. Go check out Angie Hawkins, I think she's wonderful. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 26:01  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 26:02  Thank you so much for listening to us today. We're really grateful for you. We're so excited for what you're being it till you see it. We hope these guests have been helping you, and we want you to send in your questions, your wins, all that kind of stuff to beitpod.com/questions. Send this to a friend who needs to hear it, like truly, I think Angie's story can resonate with so many different women right now, and I think it's really important, so please, please spread the word about her and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 26:25  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 26:26  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 27:09  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 27:14  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 27:18  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 27:25  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 27:28  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Brad Crowell 27:44  Okay, welcome back. This is episode 671, Angie Hawkins recap. Take it away.Lesley Logan 27:52  I feel like a blowfish, feel like a blowfish.Brad Crowell 28:05  Welcome back. Just kidding, we're not doing that. All right, y'all welcome back. Okay, all right, so what I really loved was what she's talking about, being. Lesley Logan 28:22  Sorry.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this raw and honest episode, Inner Glow Coach Angie Hawkins joins the pod to share why changing your environment won't fix what's going on inside, and how to love yourself without chasing approval. After moving 4,000 miles to Hawaii and realizing her struggles followed her, Angie hit a rock bottom moment that led to an intentional overdose, and a life-changing wake-up call. She shares how she rebuilt from that place by setting healthy boundaries, questioning old beliefs, and finally choosing herself.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Understand why life is like running in slippers.Why you cannot outrun your internal problems.How healing requires making a firm commitment.How to love yourself by creating your own life rulesHow to set and enforce healthy boundaries with others.Episode References/Links:Running in Slippers - https://www.runninginslippers.comRunning in Slippers Book - https://www.runninginslippers.com/shopFree 60-Minute Find Your Glow Session - https://www.runninginslippers.com/coachingAngie Hawkin's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/angiehawkins808Guest Bio:Angie Hawkins is an Inner Glow Coach who transforms high-achieving, spiritual women from chasing love and approval to radiating fierce confidence so they can finally feel happy, free, and loved for who they are. She works with women who've done therapy, read the books, tried the spiritual path, but still feel like something's missing. Through deep inner work and identity transformation, she helps them break the cycle of not feeling “enough,” so they can experience real love, confidence, and peace without having to change who they are. She is the author of Running in Slippers, a raw and vulnerable memoir about finding resilience after emotional rock bottom. Angie has moved from Chicago to Hawaii on her own, jumped out of a helicopter and into the ocean Navy SEAL-style, bungee jumped, skydived, and cliff jumped, yet is still terrified about allowing herself to be seen. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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And her response was, it's not your time. And it was so profound that it sent a cold chill through my body.Lesley Logan 0:16  I have chills right in this moment. Angie Hawkins 0:18  Yeah, and I in that moment, I was like, okay, I think I have a purpose. And I was determined to figure out what it was.Lesley Logan 0:28  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:11  All right, Be It babe. When I met this woman, I knew I had to have her on because she she had, in her story you're gonna hear so much of you, and then you're going to hear her transformation, and it's what a lot of you are trying to be it till you see. I will say, in her journey, we do have, we do discuss a suicide attempt. If that is something that's going to activate you today, please honor yourself. It isn't, doesn't go into detail, but it's, it's a part of her journey. And I do think it is worthy to hear the whole journey of how she got to where she is, how she becomes the inner glow coach that she is, and also like how you can have inner glow in your life, and how that changes things. And she's just so authentic and so cool. And I'm really jazzed for you to hear this. So here's Angie Hawkins. Lesley Logan 1:57  Hey, Be It babe. I'm really excited and ready for this conversation. Our guest today is Angie Hawkins, and I think you're gonna hear a lot of similarities in her story and her journey and what she's working on. If you have ever felt like you've done all the things and it's still not working, today's episode is for you. So Angie Hawkins, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Angie Hawkins 2:19  Yes. Hi everyone. Thank you for having me, Lesley. I am an inner glow coach, and what that means is I help high achieving women stop chasing love and approval and everything outside of themselves, and actually radiate it from within, so they can finally feel happy, free and loved for who they are. And I am also the author of Running in Slippers, which is a raw and vulnerable memoir, that the whole point of the book, because it's very vulnerable, is to encourage connection through vulnerability, because that's how we truly connect as human beings. Lesley Logan 2:49  I couldn't agree more. Also, if you're not watching this beautiful woman on our YouTube channel, are those fresh flowers in your hair? Where are you living right now that you get to have those beautiful flowers in your hair?Angie Hawkins 3:01  I live in Hawaii, so yes, I have fresh flowers in my earrings.Lesley Logan 3:05  Oh, my god, stop. Well, okay, so Running in Slippers, like, most like, I feel like there's a book like, Running in Heels, which already sounds terrible, Running in Slippers isn't easy to do either. Can we go into like, can we get vulnerable a little bit and talk about, like, how did that title come about? Like, what? What is the journey that you had to go on? Because I do think, by the way, if you're listening, we all get to go on a journey like that is the beautiful thing about this life. And sometimes I think we feel like, why is this happening to me? But there's something we get to learn from that. So can you, can we hear yours?Angie Hawkins 3:36  Yes, I love that. And first of all, I before I get into my whole story, which, honestly, the book Running in Slippers gets into all the details, because what I'm going to give you is just the high level cliff notes version. But I live in Hawaii, and we call flip flops, slippers, so it really means running in flip flops.Lesley Logan 3:52  Even harder, even more dangerous.Angie Hawkins 3:55  So, but the reason I titled the book that way is because it's a metaphor for life, because life, it can be fun, playful and adventurous, but it can also be difficult, painful and scary, just like running in flip flops. Lesley Logan 4:07  Yeah, oh, that's so funny. Can you tell I'm totally not an island girl and I do call them slippers. And they can be, like, very childlike, like, you're running on the beach, like, it's really cool, and then you all of a sudden are running on a slippery sidewalk. And, yeah. Angie Hawkins 4:21  Exactly. So, yeah. I think once people understand what it means, it's relatable. And if you do read the book, or anyone listening, if you do read the book, I explained that immediately in the introduction, so that people don't think I'm actually running in house slippers or like that just ruins the whole meeting. I think.Lesley Logan 4:39  I mean, well, you know what? Actually like I was picturing, like you going through something, just like being a girl in her house shoes like running, chasing a dream down.Angie Hawkins 4:48  I think there's so many metaphors, yeah.Lesley Logan 4:51  Awesome. Well, let's get into the Cliff Notes. I love it. Angie Hawkins 4:55  Yes. So basically, like most people, my origin story starts in childhood. And I was raised in a household where the most succinct way to say it is that my both of my parents were extremely emotionally unavailable. And as an adult, I understand what that means, and I have the tools to process that and understand it. But as a little girl, I didn't have those tools, and the way I interpreted the situation is that I thought that I didn't deserve to be loved. So very early, early on in life, I developed this belief. And as most of us are aware, your beliefs dictate your behaviors, and then that dictates what you attract into your life. So needless to say I struggled for many years because I was a people pleaser. I was the one who was chasing love and approval outside of myself. I was the overachiever, because I thought to earn the love and respect and approval, I had to have a high position at work, or I ran marathons for a while, and that became my identity, like I had to get a good time. I was reaching for everything outside of myself, yet I still felt extremely unhappy and unfulfilled, and I was at a point in life where I honestly didn't even think that was available to me. I thought this is just how life was. I didn't think I was worthy of it. I thought it was just something that other people had. So if I was viewing someone else who was happy and fulfilled in their life, it just didn't even seem attainable for me. So even though I was very unhappy, I just kind of went along life, not really knowing what to do about it, like I would read self help books or, you know, do something like go to yoga, or have, like a spiritual practice or something, and that would provide short term a short term fix, but I didn't really have anything implemented for a long term change. And the first real turning point came in 2017, my boyfriend broke up with me, and then my dad passed away, and I was 37 years old, and I had spent 37 years avoiding my feelings, doing everything I could not to feel them, but I was in such profound grief that it was impossible not to feel my feelings, yet I didn't have the tools for emotional regulation. So the best way to say it was I felt like shit for most of that year because I was just sitting in these feelings that I didn't know what to do with. And 2018 came around, and I was probably like, in this New Year's resolution energy, and I decided that I was sick and tired of being sick and tired. And I decided, like, I wanted to make some changes, and I wanted to be happy. I was living in Chicago at the time, and that's when I decided I wanted to move from Chicago to Hawaii.Lesley Logan 7:49  Major differences. Huge differences. Angie Hawkins 7:52  Yes and I will say it was well intentioned, because I was actually taking agency over my life. I was doing something to make a change and be happier. It was not well intentioned, and that I was still reaching for something outside of myself to be the thing that made me feel better, because I wanted the change in location to be the thing that made me happy. And this will probably not come as a surprise, you cannot move away from your problems, so I moved 4000 miles away, and I still had the exact same issues. Not only that, I developed a whole new roster of problems. So, for example, in 2018 remote work was not the trendy thing to do, but I was very fortunate, because my job allowed me to move and keep my job. But at the exact same time that I moved there was this huge management shake up at work that threatened my role, and because I was in this victim mentality of like this is all that's available to me and like this happening to me. I for the first year that I lived here, I lived in constant fear of losing my job. I had a really hard time making friends when I first moved here, which was something I had never dealt with before. So struggling with making friends, being thousands of miles away from anyone I knew, felt extremely isolating. Lesley Logan 9:10  Yeah, and you're in an island, so it's already isolated.Angie Hawkins 9:13  Exactly, exactly. So it's like I didn't have, you know, I just felt really lonely, basically. And the last major thing that happened when I moved here is like to prove how all in and committed I was to my decision. I bought a condo, but then a month after my condo closed, a shared pipe backflowed into my bathroom and I wasn't home, so my entire condo flooded. Yes. So this is all this is all right off the bat. So again, I'm expecting the change to be the thing that makes me feel better, and everything was falling apart. Lesley Logan 9:46  And you're literally doing everything it says I got to go all in, got to burn the boat. You got to buy that condo without the pike being checked. Oh my god, and you haven't even hit Covid yet, shit. Angie Hawkins 9:58  Well, that brings me to Covid because, so that was 2018 right? So, and I'm trying to be like I was totally emotionally bypassing my feelings. I'm like, It's fine, I got this, but I'm not even exaggerating when I say the next two years it was like thing after thing, like my grandma died, like there was always something, and because I didn't have that emotional foundation within myself, because everything outside of me was unraveling. I was unraveling, and then Covid happened. So I don't even have to explain how that exacerbated the situation, just, but the straw, the straw that broke the camel's back was the end of a relationship during Covid. And I just had this moment where, and I think we all have this. I still have these moments where it's like I can't take this anymore, but unfortunately, layered on top of that feeling was the sheer feeling of hopelessness, because nothing had been going well, and I truly could not see any hope for the future, and that is such a dangerous place to be, so I intentionally overdosed on my anxiety medication, and I spent a day and a half unconscious in my bathroom. I spent another day and a half in the hospital.Lesley Logan 11:09  Wait, no one knew you were in your bathroom?Angie Hawkins 11:12  No, I miraculously, I was blacked out. I miraculously texted a friend and she took me to the hospital. That's the only way I was transported. Lesley Logan 11:22  Oh my god. What a story. Oh my god. Oh my god. You're like, this is crazy.Angie Hawkins 11:28  And then where I'll end is I was released from the hospital, and I called a friend, I told her everything that happened, and I ended with, I can't believe I didn't die. And her response was, it's not your time. And it was so profound that it sent a cold chill through my body. Lesley Logan 11:48  I have chills right in this moment. Angie Hawkins 11:49  Yeah and I in that moment, I was like, okay, I think I have a purpose. And I was determined to figure out what it was.Lesley Logan 12:00  Oh my gosh. I just want to say thank you for sharing your story. I'm so glad there was something in you that texted a friend, and I'm also glad that that friend wasn't on, like, Do Not Disturb like, I oh my god. I'm that friend. I'm the Do Not Disturb friend. I this. I would.Angie Hawkins 12:14  My phone's always on silent.Lesley Logan 12:17  I gotta figure this out. There's gotta be a bypass for people. But like, I It's so clear, not only is it not your time, but there was a part of you that was always trying to figure this out. I think in hearing your story like, there was this part of you that's like, I am, there is more for me out there, but like you so there's and I think we all have this. I think so many of my listeners who are here like they know there is more, and yet, when they try to do the more something happens. There's always a thing that happens, like, they make more money, and then a huge bill happens. They break up with the toxic relationship, and then this thing happens, and now they're alone. Like, I you know, there's a whole thing. It's like everything is in balance. Like, you get a good thing and you need a bad thing. But like, also sometimes we're just not ready. If you don't have the muscle for that, then it just feels like you're getting beat while you're down. Angie Hawkins 13:07  Exactly. And I think we're saying the same thing, but I look at it as, for example, in my situation, my brain and my heart felt like they didn't want to be here, but my soul, or higher self, or whatever you want to call it, really did. So I think there's always this part of us, and we're all connected to our intuition or higher self, whether we're like, in tune to it or not, but there's always that part of us that's calling us to this higher purpose or something else, but then we have to deal with the realities of the real world. Lesley Logan 13:38  Yeah. So you wake up in this hospital and you now, like, it's not your time, but like, you have to then get out of the hospital and and figure so how do you, how do you do that? Like, where do you start? Because, like, there's a million books, there's a million courses, there's 17 million charlatans, you could end up in a cult real easily, you know. So how did you, how did you figure it out?Angie Hawkins 14:01  Well, I don't know if this is lucky or unlucky, but because at the time this happened, I was 40 years old, and I had spent out of my 30s reading all the books, doing all the workshops, doing all of that stuff. But again, it had only provided like something short term. It really didn't give any meaningful long term change in my life. So fast forward to when, you know, my friend told me that, and I decided, like, okay, I need to get help, and I need to get help the right way. I decided to invest in myself and actually hire a coach, because it had been something I was thinking about. But when you're not fully committed to a decision, you're just kind of in this wishy-washy energy. And in addition to that, again, I was in the state of not really feeling worthy of investing in myself or putting in the time, energy or money. But when you're desperate like I was, because keep in mind, I felt worse than I did before I took the pills and yeah like, I can't explain what almost dying does to you, but there were several weeks where I had one foot on the other side of the veil, which was kind of a scary experience in its own so for several weeks, my only goal was to make it through the day. So I was so desperate for help, and I knew I had to get help the right way that like, the first thing I did was reach out to a coach. And again, this just happened to be luck, because in my I call it like from the time I got out of the hospital out I call that my healing in earnest journey, but my healing not in earnest. I had gone to this healing intensive, and I had met this coach, and he was actually a men's dating coach, but he doesn't teach, like pick up artists type stuff. He teaches men how to be the best versions of themselves so that they can attract the right partner. So we followed each other on Instagram. So all of his messaging, even though it was, like, geared toward men, it was about being the best version of yourself. So I had thought about reaching out to him before, but now that I was desperate, I'm like, I don't care if he's a men's dating coach, I'm reaching out to him. So I reached out to him. Lesley Logan 16:17  You had trust in him, yeah. Angie Hawkins 16:17  We talked, yeah, yeah. So I was very lucky that I had already made that connection with someone I trusted. Otherwise I would have been searching.Lesley Logan 16:25  Yeah, and like, at a time that, like, I again, there's, there was a party that was already seeking these things out, just those other, the other part of you that was like, like you said, not feeling worthy. And I, I hear this, you know, I just came back from an amazing retreat. And one of the women who came on it, she's like, yeah, I'm one of those people who kept going, oh, I'll do it next time, oh, you know when I have this, then I then I can sign up for it, or when I've done this, then I can sign up for it. And then she's like, fuck it. I'm, I'm worthy to go right now. I'm like, that. Angie Hawkins 16:54  I love that. Lesley Logan 16:55  That right there that makes me so happy. And also, you know, so many people, smart women, listening to this show right now will do that, that little negotiation, oh, when I do this, then I'll be and it's like, you're fucking worthy already. And this is no offense to the parents who are listening. Everyone is doing the best they can, but most of us, somewhere in life along the way, feel like we have to earn the worthiness that we were already born with. Yeah, yeah.Angie Hawkins 17:21  Yes, yeah. And that's where, like, the chasing something outside of yourself come from. Lesley Logan 17:24  Yeah and then that's why you only get those quick little fixes, but it doesn't last. So you found this guy and he helped you, and then what, like, was it like, well, I've made it.Angie Hawkins 17:36  No, it was absolutely a process. I won't sugarcoat that part, because any lasting change is a process, right? But the value and the work that I did with him was, you know, I still have these limiting beliefs, like I'm not worthy, I don't deserve to be loved, blah, blah, blah, but he helped me change my behaviors so that eventually, because if when I started setting healthy boundaries, when I started trusting myself, when I started implementing all the things that we talked about, like over time, that actually changed my beliefs. And so now I do believe I deserve to be loved. I do respect myself, I do trust myself, but that all came like through this process of working with a coach, and that's what ultimately led me, because I was in corporate America for over 20 years, but in stepping into my authentic self and realizing what I want in life, what makes me happy and fulfilled, I realized corporate America was not it, and I also realized that there are so many other women who are now struggling in the same way that I used to struggle. So I was like, I want to help them. So I quit corporate America and became an inner glow coach.Lesley Logan 18:44  I love this. I also love that it's inner glow, like, it's just like, because it's, you know, we we are, most of us are seeking outside of ourselves to change the inside of ourselves. And you just said something about, like, your limiting beliefs, and once you change your beliefs, it's true. Like, we think, okay, well, first of all, this environment, it's not clean. So because this room isn't clean, I can't do the things that I said I was going to do. And then when you don't do the things you said you're gonna do, you don't have confidence. Because that's just, by the way, how confidence works, right? Like, confidence works by doing the thing you said you're gonna do. And so, but then we're like, but we think it's this outside stuff, oh, I gotta make sure that, like, this is just right, or that's just the lighting is just right, but really it's the belief system that we have that affects everything. So can we, do you mind if we go there? Like, can we talk about that? Because, like, if you're someone who typically, you see a people pleaser, and who you know was also, as you mentioned, like, nervous, like, nervous about, like, losing your job. Like, I imagine that the belief systems you had were then causing you to, like, run around and be everything to everybody, and then you have to change the belief systems to be like, nope, not doing that. Like, what's the process? How do you do that?Angie Hawkins 19:52  I mean, it's a whole process, but the whole, and this is what my coaching program is based on, but the overall concept is, we're all born with this light inside of us, but then as we go about life, there's family systems, there's society systems, there's corporate America systems, there's all these systems that if you really think about it, they're just arbitrary rules that someone made up along the way, and we're just blindly following them so we become disconnected from ourselves, and it dims our light. And for example, because I used to be a people pleaser, I would not even question, like, if someone invited me to do something or asked me to do something, I wouldn't even question, like, what do I want to do? What makes me happy and fulfilled? So it's not about and I and this is why I think I struggled with self help when I was healing in my 30s and reaching for things outside of myself, because a lot of it is geared toward fixing yourself or changing something about yourself, but really it's about coming back home to who you are and basing your life off of that. Because when you stop giving your power away to all these external things, you've really stopped caring. Because when you're concerned about, am I living in integrity? Am I happy with who I am as a person? Am I happy with my decisions? You stop caring about what other people think about it.Lesley Logan 21:13  That is so true. That is so true, and so many I was just doing a call with some of the people that I, that I teach today, and, you know, I could tell the question was a very valid question, but I was like, so people, some people like you, if you do it the authentic, the way that's authentic to you, that's also okay, like, they're allowed to go, I don't like that. And it doesn't mean that you're not a great person, you're not a great teacher, but we are so conditioned to be liked, if you're liked, then you did something right?Angie Hawkins 21:45  Yes. And I actually have the opposite viewpoint now, because I totally used to be like that. I wanted everyone to like me, and if someone didn't, then I would like chase after their approval. But now, now I really don't care. And that doesn't mean I don't care about the other person. It's just, it just means that I respect their free will, like, I'm not for everybody, and that's okay, like they have other people that they choose to surround themselves with, and that's okay. I respect who they are as a person, but you have to be like, so grounded in who you are as a person to even get to that point. Lesley Logan 22:17  Yeah, and that's the hard part, because also, if you're so used to trying to anchor in the outside world of who you are, then coming home to yourself, it's gonna feel unfamiliar. And people don't like change, right, like. Angie Hawkins 22:34  Yeah and I think that's why a lot of people resist change, because a huge part in my healing and earnest journey was finding who I was, which was a huge identity shift, because I didn't even know who I was, because I had spent most of my life conforming to all these things outside of myself, and it is very scary. So I was able to see why I had resisted it for so long.Lesley Logan 22:57  Yeah. I mean, it makes me think of like that Runaway Bride, where she like, doesn't, she takes her eggs, you know, and then at the end, she just, you're like, ordering eggs all the different ways so she can figure it out. Because it's like, it is kind of like, well, how do you know you're home? Like, how do you know that you're not, like, conforming again, just another way, you know, that's, can you see, like, where my anxiety will go?Angie Hawkins 23:18  Well, no. Like, one of the first things that my coach worked with me on, and this is one of the first things I work with my clients on, is creating your own rules for life. So you create these value statements, and it's like any decision you make, you just kind of go down the list. Am I doing this? This, this? Then, yep, then I'm good to go. So once you have your own rules for life, it doesn't matter. I mean, as long as you're not breaking the law or anything, which. Lesley Logan 23:43  Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, like, and that's true, like, you're not hurting people, there are rules for your life that affect only you. And I actually love this because, you know, people like, we coach Pilates instructors on their business. And someone's like, why should I do this? And I'm like, what are your values for your business? Does it go through those? And so it makes sense to have rules for life that's just very much a value system of how you want and it's like, does this, you know, does this? Like, I will do things that light me up. I will do things after 9am because I no longer get up early for people like, oh, this person wants to meet at 9am well, then that is a no, yeah.Angie Hawkins 24:20  Well, it's hard to do, but once you have that system in place, life is so much easier, because that's another thing. I used to feel like life was such a struggle, but it was because I was making that way for myself.Lesley Logan 24:32  Yeah, yeah. I think we all, I think a lot of us are doing that. So I guess like, so since you were, can we go back to it like, when you're a people pleaser like that look like, just like being a yes person for whatever people are saying. How do you now respond to people asking things of you, or the like, if you know what I mean, like, what is some what is a way that you're now responding in life to not being a people pleaser and owning things for yourself and owning like the way you want to live?Angie Hawkins 24:58  Yeah? Yeah, I guess it's different for different situations, but because I think I swayed too far, because I first started implementing boundaries when I worked in corporate America, and at first I would just be like, nope, not doing that, nope, but which no it well.Lesley Logan 25:16  Angie used to do everything, now she does nothing.Angie Hawkins 25:19  And no, is a complete sentence, but you do have to take into consideration the circumstance, especially if it's like work for family and friends. But usually I'll just simply explain, like, for example, something that comes up frequently is that people will ask me to have a call on the weekend, and that's just the boundary that I have. I don't do calls on the weekends. I will rearrange any time during my week, like, to some extent, but I just like, that's my personal time where I recharge is the weekend. So if someone is like, I just had someone this week, well, can you do a call on a Saturday? And I was like, no, I'm sorry I don't do calls on the weekends. It was no problem. She's like, oh, sure. I'll find another time during the week. So it's, it seems scary to do, but in most cases, it's not a problem. Now, if she would have said, like, there's absolutely no other time during the week for the foreseeable future, I might have considered it. So it's still not a strict no, but I do protect my energy as much as possible.Lesley Logan 26:18  Yeah, well, and I, but I love the way you phrased it, because you're also educating the person that it's like, instead of saying, like, some people would go, like, like, you do it this one Saturday, but like, that isn't setting a boundary. It's actually like letting them think that that's a thing. And instead, you're like, oh, I don't do calls on the weekends. That is actually like letting people, letting the person know, like, it's not a, no, I don't like you. It's just a you're asking for a time that's not available and isn't available. You know? So, and I think that you know a lot of people who struggle with being liked, feeling worthy, the people pleasing there's, it's, it's such a simple sentence, once you are have arrived, and like knowing that you're worthy, and it's so difficult, because it's like, you just say that. You just say no, I don't do calls on the weekends. It's like, give it a try, you know. But it's hard. It's hard for people. Angie Hawkins 27:06  It is hard. But the funny thing is, it really is that easy, because, like, the first few times I had to say no, because I used to be I used to have zero boundaries, like I couldn't even if someone invited me to do something. I couldn't even say no to that. But when I first started using the word no, like, no, I'm sorry, I need to rest this weekend or whatever, and then they were like, okay, that's fine, because it's very rare that you have people push back. And honestly, the people that do push back on your boundaries are the kind of people you don't want in your life anyway. Lesley Logan 27:36  Yeah, so that becomes a (inaudible) sign.Angie Hawkins 27:39  And it becomes very apparent, very fast, and that's actually helpful information for you. So boundaries are so powerful in so many ways.Lesley Logan 27:48  I do it's really interesting, because some people are like, oh, you're so rigid. I'm like, I'm I'm not rigid. Actually, I just don't, just don't do things on your timeline. I do things on my timeline, and that's okay, because I also don't have expectations that you do things on my timeline, you know, like, but there is a Venn diagram where our timelines will align if it's meant to be together, you know.Angie Hawkins 28:11  But you probably also have a lot of people who respect how self-respecting you are of yourself, because I got to the point where this happened a lot at work, people would compliment me on my boundaries. And I was like, me, like someone who used to not have boundaries? So a lot of people will actually respect you for having boundaries.Lesley Logan 28:29  They totally do, and also like and if they don't, or they're upset about like, I'm like, oh, why is this person getting so upset about the fact that I just I cannot do a call before 9am because you want to know what I'm going to forget it's there, because I don't have to work before 9am so if on a day I have to work before 9am there are three people reminding me that I've got a call at eight because I'll just go, yeah, yeah, you told me. You told me, and it's like good to do. So, like, it's more out of like, my habit is I don't so then I don't have to remember anything extra. But I do, I do, I do think that these things reveal things about people. And it reveals, like, are we gonna work together? Well, you know, like, and I, I do. I do hope people respect my respect that I have so much, such good, grounded boundaries and and also, like, it's because I used to, like you, always have none. And I used to chase, like, if anyone would invite me, I would just go, okay, I'm coming over. Yeah, I'm spending the night. How many nights I'll stay? I'll stay all the nights you want. Like, I wouldn't go home for like, a week. My parents were just like, okay, you know, because, like, I was having so much fun, but also, like, I wasn't actually doing anything for me. I was doing whatever we wanted to do it there, you know. So I all the way until when I got a job. Oh my gosh, Angie, I would get every job I had that was not for myself, I would just keep getting promoted, and I would just say, yes, that's like, the lack of boundaries. Like, okay, yeah, I'll take on that job that I have no idea how to do. No problem. I got it. I'll do it. And like, and you had to quit my job so they wouldn't promote me again, because I couldn't trust myself to turn it down because I needed the money. So it was like, I needed the money. The promotion came with a raise. And also, also, they're like, well, Lesley will always do 150% so she'll just do more than this is being paid for anyways, and, like, so I just, it took me a lot. It took me, like, literally having to quit my job. So I wouldn't say that.Angie Hawkins 30:16  Yeah, and that's why I got really disgruntled with corporate America, because it's, it's like a dysfunctional family, like they will promote the people who have zero boundaries, because they can take advantage of them, amongst other things. Lesley Logan 30:29  Yes, and I also don't even think it's a conscious decision. They're just like, oh, this person does so much. Why wouldn't we want them to do more? So okay, but we do have a lot of people who don't get to quit their job and become an inner glow coach. So like, if, if people want to work on their inner glow, but then have to, like, work within corporate America. Like, is there hope for them? Can they do it?Angie Hawkins 30:50  I think it depends on the situation. Like, I wish I could say that I just, like, had so much courage and just, you know, wildly, went out on my own. But even after I had the idea that I wanted to quit and start my own business, I still had to have the universe kick me in the butt, because I was transferred to this team, and I basically had a bully as a manager, and it got so bad that I couldn't stand it. And I was like, okay, this is my sign to leave. I think if something is that toxic, your choices are limited, however, like I've been in other situations that were not that toxic, and I do think you can navigate them again, like by having strong boundaries is huge, but having a strong sense of yourself so that they're not taking advantage of you and walking all over you.Lesley Logan 31:37  Yeah, I think, like when you do have strong boundaries, you can recognize that in a company. So if you're like interviewing, you can start to recognize, like, the signs that their boundaries are, you know, that they're like, I had someone, I took a breath work course, and they said there are space makers and there are space takers, and nothing that neither is wrong. But can we all agree, space makers, that you can raise your hand first and space takers, if they ask more of you, it doesn't mean that they're assholes. You just have to say, no. Angie Hawkins 32:07  Yeah and because sometimes it is unintentional. Lesley Logan 32:10  Yeah, I do think so. I think they're just asking. Like, there are people who, like, are good questioners, like, I'm not that person, and they'll just ask. I'm like, oh my god, they just asked that person to write their bio, you know. But like, they're just asking, and, like, it requires other person to go, oh, I actually, I review bios, but I don't write them, you know. So, you know, like, yeah, we have to. I think where people struggle is that they they figure out their boundaries, and maybe you can help with this, they figure what their boundaries are, and then they have to reinforce them, because, unfortunately, there isn't like, like, a rules sheet when you enter this, like, when you enter a call with me, there's not like, here are all the rules I have, right? Like, the rules of engagement. That's not how life works. You're going to be out and about, you're going to run into people, you're gonna be at a grocery store, you're gonna be at a job interview. So, like, how do people like is, how did you navigate having to enforce your boundaries after you got, like, after the pendulum swung all the way and you're like, no, like, how did you like one in the middle to like, enforce boundaries without feeling like you're constantly enforcing your boundaries?Angie Hawkins 33:11  That's a really good question, because the hardest part of boundaries is not setting them, it's enforcing them, because there are people who will intentionally try to walk all over you and try to encroach your boundaries, but to your point earlier, people will unintentionally, like, you know, just try to inch up on them, and you have to be stern on enforcing them. And it could be, and again, it depends on the situation, but it could escalate to the point where it's like, I can no longer talk to you if you'll continue to disrespect my no, I mean that but with enforcing boundaries, not only do you have to state the consequence, you have to be willing to enforce the consequence if they do encroach your boundary again. So it can be difficult, and there have been people in my life that I've had to cut off communication with for that reason, but like in the long run, it makes my mental health so much better, because you don't have that person sucking up your energy anymore.Lesley Logan 34:14  Yeah, yeah, I agree. And also, thank God for technology, because it's so easy to block and bless you can block phone numbers, you can block emails. You can block socials. Like, you can also add them at the time, that's right. But like, you can protect your energy. Angie Hawkins 34:27  Yeah, that's true. Lesley Logan 34:28  I probably should ask you this earlier. But like, can we talk about what inner glow looks like? What it means, like, what is it like? You know, obviously, as we heard your journey, like, you know, obviously, pre the earnest time, maybe no inner glow, but like, what is, what does it mean when we have inner glow? Like, how do we know if we have it?Angie Hawkins 34:47  Well, so the reason I came up with the name Inner Glow is because when I truly started believing like that I loved myself, that I deserved to be loved, and I respected myself, and I believed that I deserve that from other people, it was truly a sensation of in my chest, like it felt like the sun was glowing, like it was like, maybe I can explain it as, like an energetic feeling from the inside out, yeah. But on top of that, I would have other people tell me, like, oh, you're glowing or some people would even just compliment my looks in that like, oh, you look so beautiful. Blah, blah, blah. But I think they were really talking about the reflection of my energy. So the inner glow is radiating in your own love and respect, so much that it's actually radiating to people outside of you. So not only do they see it, but they can be inspired by it, and it's this ripple effect, because I'm of the mindset that you're either contributing to the negative vibration of the universe, because there's plenty of that going on right now, or you're contributing to raising the vibration of the universe. So like this ripple effect even extends out to raising the vibration of the entire universe, because you're sending out, because there's so many things going on in this world right now that it's hard for us to impact on an individual level. But, even just sending that energy of love to certain areas of the world actually does make a difference.Lesley Logan 36:11  It really, you're, you're so I'm glad we're touching on this, because I think it is. It can even feel like, especially in the time that we're talking, it can feel like, well, what's the point? Like, everything is falling apart. So many people have less than me. I'm barely keeping alive. Most of my listeners at the time we're recording this guys, it's October 23rd 2025, and the you know if you're listening to the States, government shutdown. People are hearing that their health insurance can go up to 30,000 or 40,000 a year from nine and and like, you could be like, why should I have an inner glow? How do I even think about glowing when like, this is happening outside of my control, and people have less than and it's in you can almost feel like, what's the point? But you're, what you said it, the point is like the world needs more of us to raise the vibrations and affect, even if you affect the three people that are your neighbors and you show them so much love, it does. It does have a domino effect. It does have this like magnetism effect. I do believe that.Angie Hawkins 37:11  Yeah, and even if you don't think just being in your own positive light is changing the universe, you can actually just pick someone and send positive energy to that person. And trust me, it makes a difference in that person's life.Lesley Logan 37:26  It does. I love that, gosh, Angie, you're so cool. Like, what you're doing is so needed. And I think, like, especially because, you know, I've had, I've heard so many listeners going, I've done this, I've done this. I'm still stuck. I'm still struggling. And I, what I like, I'm gathering from this is like, it's all that outward stuff. It's not, it's not actually going to make the change. It has to be the inner glow. It has to be this inner vibration that you're changing. And that does take time, and it does take a lot of knowing of who you are. And that's a process.Angie Hawkins 38:01  yes, but it is 100% worth it, and I am proof of that. Lesley Logan 38:05  And you're like, at this goal, you've got these gorgeous wallpaper that matches your plants in the background, like you're just glowing, so, well, we could talk forever, and we'll probably have to have another conversation in the future, but we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, and work with you. Lesley Logan 38:22  All right. Angie, the Inner Glow Coach, where do you hang out? Obviously, Hawaii. But Can people work with you online? Where should they go? What? What should they grab?Angie Hawkins 38:30  Yes, please visit my website. It is runninginslippers.com which is also the name of my book. So there's obviously information on where to buy the book. It's on paperback, Kindle and audiobook, and I do narrate the audio book, but there's also information on my coaching program. My current coaching program is called Shine From the Inside, and I do offer Free 60-Minute Find Your Glow sessions. So we will talk for an hour about whatever you're struggling with, and at the end, I will give recommendations for going forward, because you know, my, me and my coaching program are not for everyone, and I am okay with that. So if we're not a good fit, I know other coaches, I know therapists. I have other resources that I can refer you to. The entire goal of the call is to get you help, because again, I am confident that there are other women struggling in the same way I was, and you do not have to live that life that way. Lesley Logan 39:26  Oh my god, an hour call and, you guys, take advantage, because, you know.Angie Hawkins 39:31  Everyone I've done a call with has a breakthrough on that call, because an hour is a long time. Lesley Logan 39:36  Yeah, oh, you're so good. Okay, you have given us a lot already, but we do at the show like to have a little, not a too long didn't listen, but just like a little summary and like an actionable step we can take, because we are high performers who are listening to this podcast. So bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what do you have for us? Angie Hawkins 39:55  Number one is to decide, because any meaningful change. Your life comes from a decision, and the reason that is is because if you're not committed, you're going to be in the squishy, washy energy. And that's where you hear people say stuff like, well, I tried and it's not working, or I'm trying, and if you're not committed to something, you're going to quit the second it gets hard, but when you're committed to your decision, then the only choice is to stay on that path and figure out if something isn't working, and then you'll figure out what does. So I know it sounds simplistic, but when you make a decision to do something, you're committed and all in and that's when the real change happens. That's when lasting change happens. Number two is to take action. And I know you talk about this a lot, so I won't dwell on that. But number three, which is in conjunction with taking action, is about your nervous system, because a lot of people think that confidence and courage is about not being afraid, and taking action is about feeling the fear and doing it anyway. So before you take action, you need to prime your nervous system. So an easy way to do that is to just like, sit up straight, breathe. Some people do the Superman pose. What I do if I'm doing something in public, I call it the goddess walk, or the celebrity walk. I will walk into a place like I own it, even if I'm like, a nervous wreck and falling apart on the inside, but it's priming your nervous system to feel the fear and do it anyway, and just overall, your nervous system regulation. Because I used to be the kind of person I would let anxiety and fear just absolutely take over me, but now I have the tools to actually feel safe in my own body while I'm feeling those feelings and knowing that they're not going to consume me and overwhelm me so nervous system regulation and feeling safe in your own body while you're feeling the fear and doing it anyway. Lesley Logan 41:50  Oh my god, I'm obsessed. Okay, I have a fun story for you, and this will be a great way for people to have an example of that goddess walk. So in Cambodia, in our town, in our village, there's, there's a couple street lights now in the city, which is really annoying because I think it's causing more traffic. And people have now decided to have cars instead of motos. I don't know why you'd want to be in a car going 20 miles an hour when you could be in a moto going 25 but that's fine. At any rate, you just have to cross the street. Okay, so I don't know if you ever been to Southeast Asia, but you just have to cross the street. And these went. Lesley Logan 42:21  I have been to Indonesia. Lesley Logan 42:22  Correct. Okay, there, yes. So you have to cross the street and they and you can't, you cannot stop. If you stop, that's when you you fuck it all up, because now the bike was like expecting you to continue going, and they were gonna be right behind you, and now you stopped, and now they have to swerve, but then there's somebody behind so it becomes a domino effect. And when I first went to Cambodia, we were in Phnom Penh, and I saw this, she could have been seven years old, and she had a little kid who I don't know, barely walking in her hand. You guys, this was a five-lane wide on any American street, but probably, like 10-lane wide in Europe, because, like, you know how the streets are really wide in the States. Anyways, she put her hand up and just crossed the street with this little kid, and she just had her hand up, seven years old, and she just crossed. I saw the first time I was in Phnom Penh, I saw this, and I was like, look at that girl. Look at that confidence, right? But when we moved, it to Siem Reap, we do our time there. I channel that girl every time. So when I cross the street, I just throw my arms up and I just walk like it's my fucking street, and you can go around me. And so these women are like, okay, can we go, and I'm like, what we're gonna do is we're gonna open our arms and we're gonna walk and we're gonna own this place. And by the oh my god, by the end, Angie, everyone is just like going.Angie Hawkins 43:37  I love that story. I love that. That's a perfect example. Lesley Logan 43:41  Walking. It's like, the Miss Congeniality, like I'm walking here, but like, like, hello, like, open, good vibes. And it's just so funny. And now to be home, and I'm like, oh, I'm just, I have to wait for the light. Angie Hawkins 43:53  Or do you? Maybe you could do that here. Lesley Logan 43:59  It's so fun. It's so fun. But I love that, because you do have to, you said it, I just want to reiterate, people who are you think are confident and courageous, are not without fear. They are truly they did a show. It's showtime. Pep talk, something they're shaking in the boot. You're not like behind the podium. They're all doing it, and you can I just, this is a great, great show, Angie, you're the best. Thank you for helping us find our inner glow. Lesley Logan 44:27  You guys. How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag Angie. Tag the Be It Pod. Go get that phone call with her. My goodness, like you're gonna have breakthrough. Who wouldn't want to do that? And, oh, my god, I'm so jealous you're in Hawaii right now. It's got to feel like, like just you're on a beautiful island. Anyways, thank you so much for being our guest today, Angie and everyone, please share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 44:50  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Stop carrying the heavy mental load of solving everyone else's problems. Lesley Logan reveals the surprising freedom that comes from stepping back as everyone's personal problem solver. From a viral Olympic story featuring Madeline Schizas that showcases the power of empathy, to Vickie McEntire's incredible $500 community fundraiser, this episode celebrates the wins that happen when we simply root for one another. Lesley also pulls back the curtain on her own journey, sharing the boundaries that are transforming her personal relationships and protecting her peace. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:A teacher going above and beyond to support his student's success.Benefits of hosting community-based fitness events for local charities.Strategies for identifying when advice is actually being requested.Reducing mental pressure by releasing the role of problem solver.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsThe Female Quotient® - https://beitpod.com/madelinechizas If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Oh my god. We're in the middle of April. We did it. We're here. I'm home. I'm back from Europe. I have so much to say about that, but I'll be in a future episode. So it's fuck yeah Friday. So we get really cool about talking about what's going well, what's fun, what, what did we do? Because if we don't celebrate the little things and the big wins, then who, who is right? I mean, actually today's inspiration on the internet, someone is and I, I have so much love for this post, and I also just feel like it helps remind, like, remind us that we're human beings and we can do certain things for people as well. So I mean, obviously, all capacities are different, but let me, let me show the story. So Madeline Schizas asked for an extension to our college assignment and see how our professor responded. So the the post is like, hi, Professor, blah, blah, blah. I'm a student in your sociology course, and I'm wondering if I can get a short extension on this week's reflection. I was competing in the Olympic Games yesterday, and thought the reflection was due Sunday, not Friday. Here is the Canadian Olympic Committee press release to confirm my participation. Thanks for your consideration. So cute, right? Like, by the way, I'd be this girl. This would be me going, I'm at the Olympics, and I have homework too, and here's a proof I'm actually gonna be in the Olympics. But this is how her professor responded. Hi, Madeline. Wow. What a special moment. Yes, in this circumstance, an extension is perfectly fine. I'd say focus on the competition right now and submit it directly to me when it's done. The triple, let's triple toe combo is a pretty hard move to master, but you've got this. Good luck. The whole country is rooting for you and your teammates. PS, when I was 10, I scored a goal in hockey, and that was challenging enough for me. And then there's another picture. He created an Instagram account just so he could post a picture of him watching her compete. I mean, the world needs more teachers like this now and then she she posted this, and she also shares, like, Wow, I can't believe everyone cared so much. I gotta get the extension. And so, so I just think it's so I just think that's so sweet and so special. And like, what a cool professor, not just to, like, give the extension, because, of course, that's what they would do. Like, that's the right thing to do, but also to be like, here I'm rooting for you like that's we all need teachers like that, and I know we have a lot of different types of teachers who watch and listen to this pod. And you're probably like that for someone else, and you might not even know it, but you you are. And so thanks for being here. Thanks for listening. Lesley Logan 3:15  Okay, your win. This one comes from Vickie McEntire. So here's my win this week. Hell, this month, I hosted a Joe's gym to raise money for the local food pantry, and we brought in $500 we had fun, we played, we practiced. Heck, $500 for that's a huge donation for them. That's amazing. Way to go. Vickie, way to make it a community event. Way to make it fun. Way to make everyone wins there, right? Like everyone you, you get to have that achievement that you did this for them. They get to feel good because they gave money to them. Together, you guys gave a lot of money, and you all got to do Pilates. I love that. Thank you for sharing. You all should send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions so I can celebrate your wins here, and you can be reminded of the amazing things that you do. Lesley Logan 3:58  So all right, here's the deal. I'm a recovering perfectionist and overachiever, and I have a really hard time sometimes, like turning the brain off. And I was given a suggestion that I don't have to in all conversations, help people with a problem, they have, meaning if they're not putting a question mark on the statement, I don't have to give them an answer, and so then maybe I wouldn't feel so pressured to be on calls in regular life. I'm not talking about work life, I'm talking about regular life, not the coaching calls, but regular life. Maybe I wouldn't feel the pressure to be on the call, because I'm not there to be anything other than, oh, wow, I'm sure you'll figure that out. Right? Like, I don't have to give advice, and then if my advice isn't taken, I don't feel frustrated that, like I gave you all this advice and you didn't take it. So I feel feel really good about that. And so I've been practicing that. Like, if they're not asking me for advice. I don't have to be the advice giver. What a world. I didn't know that that was a thing. I mean, not that I go around just like giving people unsolicited advice. It's not what I do. But I kind of have become that friend and family member who like, does that like I think people just assume I will. And so maybe they're not even putting question marks on it. And so now it's like, unless you put a question mark on it, I'm not gonna. I'm trying really hard to just go, oh, how interesting. Lesley Logan 5:29  Okay, we it's one week in the body and the brain, and so it will take time. So what I'm gonna say right now is, what a load off. It already feels like a win, and it's only a load off and a week and, I mean, we'll see how things go as they progress. But I just want to share that with you, because, in case you're like me, and you are avoiding phone calls, not that I'm saying you're going to answer the phone calls. I'm not saying you do that. That's a different win, but you're avoiding the phone calls because you're like, Oh, they're gonna just not take the advice I have. I guess the moral of the story is, like, we don't have to give it, and that's the win. All right, Be It babe, you're amazing. I hope that made sense to you. I mean, since like attracts like, I think it might have. Lesley Logan 6:11  Okay. Your mantra for the week. I am still learning, so it's okay to make mistakes. I am still learning so it is okay to make mistakes. We are still learning, so it's totally okay for us to make mistakes, because it is. You're amazing. Go share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Help this podcast get even bigger and a bigger audience, because the more Be It babes, the easier it is to be around people who are acting like the people that they want to be, so that they become that person today, instead of waiting. Yes, that's what we're here for. Have an amazing day. Till next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 6:45  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 7:28  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 7:33  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 7:37  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 7:44  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 7:47  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell dive into the highlights of Lesley's conversation with Billy Lahr, a Certified Mindfulness Meditation Teacher with a background in education and behavior change. They explore his perspective on comfort zones, breaking down the difference between being comfortable and becoming complacent, and why growth doesn't have to come from constant discomfort. From the importance of healthcare directives to the permission gap that keeps women selfless to a fault, this episode challenges you to take a more intentional approach to how you live and show up.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Making healthcare decisions in advance using a free online resource.How to stretch one's comfort zone to avoid the complacency zone.The power of closing the permission gap to stop burnout.Why self-prioritization is the key to a grounded, centered life.How to leverage curiosity and consistency to build genuine passion.Episode References/Links:FreeWill - freewill.comOPC Spring Training (Virtual Event) - opc.me/events   2027 eLevate Mentorship Program - lesleylogan.co/elevatePilates Summer Tour - opc.me/tourFolding Pilates Mat - opc.me/foldingmatMindful Midlife Crisis - https://www.mindfulmidlifecrisis.comBilly Lahr Official Website - https://billylahr.comJump Start Conversation - https://mindfulmidlifecrisis.systeme.io/jumpstartconvoSubmit Your Questions - beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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And what he was saying is, like, those are both actual extremes. Yeah, you know, what if we were grounded or self-centered? Or what if we focus about centered self, not like, in a negative way, but like, how do we—Lesley Logan 0:23  I know so—Brad Crowell 0:24  How can we be both of those things instead of like, one or the other? Lesley Logan 0:28  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Brad Crowell 1:10  Take it away there, Lesley.Lesley Logan 1:13  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the thought-provoking convo I had with Billy Lhar in our last episode. Brad Crowell 1:21  Yeah, we are. Lesley Logan 1:22  If you haven't listened to that interview, you should, you could pause this now and hear what I sound like, not with a sinus infection. And then, if you're new, you'll be like, this girl's voice sucks. I can't stand it. And then you'll stick it out. Brad Crowell 1:33  Yeah. Lesley Logan 1:34  You'll stick it out. Brad Crowell 1:34  Stick it out. You will— Lesley Logan 1:35  I promise you—Brad Crowell 1:36  You'll do that we believe in you. Lesley Logan 1:38  I promise you, this is not this, too shall pass. What if someone's like, oh, my God, I loved her voice when she had the science affection, and now, when it's gone, like, ugh. Lesley Logan 1:50  Well, today is April 16, 2026 and it's National Healthcare Decisions Day. Huh? Interesting. Let's see where this goes.Brad Crowell 1:58  (Laughs)Lesley Logan 1:59  This day is observed every year on April 16, the day after tax day interesting as well. Are you aware that there are times you might need to make some decisions about your health care, but be incapacitated to make them? Oh, this is an interesting okay, I thought I felt like the health insurance companies, but this is about us—Brad Crowell 2:13  No. Lesley Logan 2:14  This is—Brad Crowell 2:14  This is about in personal health care decisions that we can make. Lesley Logan 2:17  This day is set aside to help you take care of those potential situations ahead of time is a day for patients or healthcare receivers to make known to health professionals the kind of adequate care they wish to receive and have those wishes respected and met. Well, whether they'll be respected and met, are different stories in the United States healthcare situation, but I do agree we Brad and I are supposed to have sat down his parents are going to annoy us until we do and actually, like, talk about our Do Not Resuscitate stuff and all that. Brad Crowell 2:44  Yeah. It's like, called advanced direction, or something—Lesley Logan 2:47  Directive?Brad Crowell 2:48  Direct, yeah, Advanced Directive. Maybe that's it. Yeah. So we've been on a healthcare tour, and we've been— Lesley Logan 2:53  We are using the insurance we pay for. Brad Crowell 2:57  We absolutely are—Lesley Logan 2:58  We are annoying the hell out of them. We are going to use every benefit they say we pay for. Brad Crowell 3:03  Well, it's also not like a fast, quick decision. We started doing this, like, I don't know, 18 months ago? Lesley Logan 3:09  Oh yeah, it says it's taken you 18 months to get the results you got today. Brad Crowell 3:13  I'm not even kidding, it's insane to me. Lesley Logan 3:15  (Laughs) There's nothing wrong with you. Brad Crowell 3:15  Yeah, they were like, hey, everything's good up there. Your brain. I'm like, well, that makes me feel good, but what the heck it took that long anyway? Yeah, it's been a it's been a whirlwind, and we've been learning a lot of things. Just like you have a last will and testament, you also need to have something called an, I'm looking up now to get the exact phrasing of it. But like, what the last will test—Lesley Logan 3:40  You have to do it when you, like, do surgeries and stuff like that. So you have to, you should talk with your partners and your families about your wishes. Brad Crowell 3:46  Yeah, it's called a living will, or an Advanced Directive. It's a legal document for healthcare that outlines your treatment preferences if you become incapacitated— Lesley Logan 3:56  Oh, I, let me just tell you, you guys want to go on a journey. Because I remember, I remember, oh, my God, what was her name? It's not in my head, because I'm on Dayquil, but when I grew up, I remember she was on the cover of every tabloid magazine, and her husband was made out to be this big villain because he wanted to pull the plug. Brad Crowell 4:14  Oh, in Florida, yeah. Lesley Logan 4:17  Oh, you guys want to, okay, you're listening to a podcast. Go to the You're Wrong About Series. Go all the way back to the beginning. They have what is that woman's Sherry? Sherry. It's coming. Tyvo. Sherry Tyvo. Sherry Livo? Sherry—Brad Crowell 4:33  Tyvan? Lesley Logan 4:33  No, Sherry Tyvo Brad Crowell 4:37  Coma case.Lesley Logan 4:38  In Florida in the 90s.Brad Crowell 4:43  Terry. T Y—Lesley Logan 4:44  Terri Schiavo! Brad Crowell 4:45  Schiavo. Lesley Logan 4:46  Not I had, oh my God!Brad Crowell 4:47  You did. You had it backwards. Lesley Logan 4:48  Woah! I had Sherry Tyvo. Brad Crowell 4:50  (Inaudible)Lesley Logan 4:50  And it's Terri Schiavo. You guys, the more Adderall I am, the more dislikes like I think I am. I think it's just showing that I am okay. So, Terri Schiavo, her, go listen to You're Wrong About. That husband was not the villain that the tabloids made him out to be, and her family made it out to be, and then the Bush Administration got involved, became this whole Supreme Court thing. And let me just tell you, they, people in this country will keep you on life support against your will. It happened to the black woman Atlanta who was forced to stay, this happened in the last year. Her family was forced to keep her on life support because she was six months pregnant. Then they made her stay on life support until the baby was viable, to live without her at the time we're recording this, that baby is still in the NICU cannot survive on its own. So we need laws that protect people, and then we need advanced directives, because what we don't want is the government getting involved. That's what you don't want. I mean that this is not a very uplifting conversation. So go (Laughs)Brad Crowell 5:52  Let's, let's, let's shift back to how we can take care of this for yourself, like today's about making a decision for yourself. So there's a couple different things that you can do. You can, you know, if you have been meaning to make that doctor's appointment, just do it today's the day do it. Set aside a little bit of time today to, like, actually get the ball rolling. Because the problem, like, I know what the problem is. The problem is that it never is fast. You call, it's freaking voicemail. Like, like, nothing seems to flow. And so you have to call back 10 times. I literally had to drive across the street to this doctor's office two times to schedule my fucking appointment. It's insane. So I understand how frustrating that can be, but if you don't start now, it will never happen. Lesley Logan 6:33  Well, you won't have you won't have the team in place when you need them. And I will say, like in our journey of making sure that we have a team of healthcare professionals that are local, I have been able to find doctors that actually give a fuck, like my my gynecologist, who does my my hormone treatment in Vegas. She gives such a fuck that I have a breast doctor. That breast doctor has me on an MRI next week, and then in six months, I'm mammogram, and that's where I'm at until and then she'll and then she's gonna get me to the plastic surgeon to talk about my options. Like they will help advocate for you if you really do advocate for yourself. Like I found, like, it's kind of amazing when you get into it. Now, do I have what I complained when I said, I hate this imaging place. She's like, just drive there and make the appointment. It's faster. And I was like, are you kidding me? But it is. She's like, it's just fast, it's just the way it has to go. I know in the year of our Lord 2026, but it is what it is. And here's another trick for your doctor's office. Call billing, billing. Billing always answers. Brad Crowell 7:32  Billing always answers. Lesley Logan 7:33  So my gynecologist, before I leave. I always say, when you want to see me again, because I'm just gonna book it on my way out, because that's the best thing. And she's like, it is the best thing. I said, oh, you want to what the other hack is, it's just like, is? And she's like, what I said, my assistant calls billing, they always answer. And she goes, oh my God. She's like, you are crazy, but she loves me. So what I highly recommend take the steps it becomes, it's like, part of your adulting life. Pick an hour every week to do adulting, and you'll be glad you did, because things will happen and you're not going to want to be up the creek without a paddle. Brad Crowell 8:02  Yeah, you're not going to be up the Advanced Health Care Directive without a paddle. I was just poking around, and there is a very interesting free service provider that will do Last Will and Testament, Revocable Living Trust, Advanced Health Care Directive, Power of Attorney, and it's called freewill.com. Lesley Logan 8:24  That's crazy. Brad Crowell 8:25  They do not sponsor us, but I think it's pretty amazing. And they actually have, I was just poking around, they actually have, like, a guided for last will and testament. They have a guided will maker that covers all 50 states. Lesley Logan 8:37  You know who I need to interview. I interview a will maker. How do we be it till we see it in this Advanced Directive? Like— Brad Crowell 8:43  That'll be cool. Lesley Logan 8:43  What is that like? What are all the things I need to know? What should be in my will? Who should not be in my will? You know all that stuff.Brad Crowell 8:50  And well. And then FreeWill also has for the advanced directive of healthcare stuff. They have a free one that's also guided through all the all the states. So they, they seem to have their shit together. They're actually funded by— Lesley Logan 9:00  If you're in a different country I have no idea how to help you there, but—Brad Crowell 9:02  They're funded by a nonprofit or a charity, so they're totally free, pretty crazy. Lesley Logan 9:06  Wow. Brad Crowell 9:06  Yeah. Lesley Logan 9:07  Okay. The skeptic in me is like, who is funding this? Brad Crowell 9:10  (Laughs) Lesley Logan 9:10  The Peter Thiel—Brad Crowell 9:11  Yeah, right? Lesley Logan 9:12  (Laughs)Brad Crowell 9:13  About FreeWill, who we are— Lesley Logan 9:15  This is really what they're interested in. They're like, dying to know. Brad Crowell 9:18  Yeah, right? Lesley Logan 9:18  But you have to look up these things, because there is a nonprofit organization that's about, like, like, it sounds like it's about keeping kids from being online too early, but really, it's actually owned by meta, and their whole thing is to get your kids information early, and so they can, I know, so you gotta, you gotta look at these things you don't know. Now, I sound like a tin hat person, but you gotta look. Brad Crowell 9:41  Yeah, so they have nonprofit partners. It doesn't. It's not really that clear, but—Lesley Logan 9:45  Use it your own risk. Brad Crowell 9:46  We'll figure that out. You know.Lesley Logan 9:47  You, you know, be thoughtful. All right. Well, that's that at least gives you an actual step to be it till you see it in your advanced directive. And I know it comes after tax day. And look, no one likes taxes. But the reality is, is, if you vote in your primaries for the people that you think will to put your tax dollars to work the way you want. You have a better chance of getting that in the major part in November. So go vote. Primaries are happening all over the place right now as we speak, and so please go take care of that. Okay. Brad Crowell 10:17  1,000% Lesley Logan 10:18  Yes! Lesley Logan 10:19  So important.Lesley Logan 10:19   I know. Brad Crowell 10:20  All right, let's shift gears here. So coming up next, we got spring training happening in May, May 12 through 17th. So if you want to do Pilates at home, we're going to be going upside down in a bunch of different ways, with some really fun classes led by all the OPC team. And if you want information about that, it's probably already available for you to jump into— Lesley Logan 10:39  Oh yeah, you can sign up right now.Brad Crowell 10:40  But go to opc.me/events, opc.me/events. Also eLevate 2027 we have only a few spots left. I think it's possible that they're already sold out. But if you were really interested in a deep dive of classical Pilates with Lesley, it's a nine month mentorship program for certified Pilates teachers. We're going to be kicking it off in January next year. Learn more about that at lesleylogan.co/elevate. Lesleylogan.co/elevate. And you and I can hop on a call. We'd love to explain more about it with you. And then finally, we have summer tour coming up. Lesley Logan 11:14  I know that's so crazy. It's going it's a fast. Brad Crowell 11:16  it's a bit ahead of schedule here. That's in August. Lesley Logan 11:19  If it's in August, we open the doors in May. Brad Crowell 11:21  So that's exciting. We can't wait. It's gonna be awesome this year. We have a different route. I was just reviewing it with the team. We're going to be going, like, directly across the country, straight across all the way to Tennessee and back. So we're doing, like, a big, long oval in the middle of the country, hitting—Lesley Logan 11:35  We're not going to go up into the Michigan?Brad Crowell 11:37  We're not I was, I was—Lesley Logan 11:39  We lied to everybody. Brad Crowell 11:40  We lied to everyone last week and the week and the week before. Yeah, 100% we are hitting Dallas, though we're gonna catch that on the way back. Lesley Logan 11:46  Okay, I feel like a little sad for our Chicago Michiganders, you know. Brad Crowell 11:52  Yeah, I definitely—Brad Crowell 11:53  All those people. Brad Crowell 11:54  Well, we were just there in September in Chicago.Lesley Logan 11:56  I know, but it's not. We weren't in Minneapolis. Brad Crowell 11:59  We will work it out. We'll work it out. But this tour is going across the country, and, yeah, but, but come join us if you're able to, you know, find out all the information at opc.me/tour. Lesley Logan 12:08  I'm really excited! I realize I didn't sound as excited as I am. I'm just, I like, I had it in my head that we were, like, doing the middle, and we're doing a different middle. Lesley Logan 12:18  We are doing the middle.Lesley Logan 12:19   It wasn't clear. I wasn't clear— Brad Crowell 12:20  Yeah it's a different middle—Lesley Logan 12:21  I manifested the wrong oval. Brad Crowell 12:23  (Laughs)Lesley Logan 12:23  Okay, noted for next time. Well, before we get into the episode, what is the question of the week? Lesley Logan 12:30  Yeah, so, okay, this is from advocate_pilates on Instagram. She asked, Hey, Lesley, what mat do you use? Does it have good grip, and do you use it for Mat Pilates? Yeah, yeah. So I don't I have a mat that's just for Pilates, and I have a mat that's for yoga, and that's intentional. They are two different practices. They require two different needs. So I use a contrology mat for Pilates. It has a firm density, which doesn't mean it's hard as a rock. It's actually quite great for when you roll on it, you don't have to worry about, like, touching the floor or anything like that, but it's firm enough to do plank so your wrists don't have any issues, and shoulders have any issues. And we have an incredible affiliate link that you can use to get a discount on that mat as handles. Brad Crowell 13:11  It's opc.me/foldingmat, foldingmat. Lesley Logan 13:16  And as far as, like, good grip, I'm imagining you mean on the floor. And so what I would say is, like, I you probably would put a pad down if you had hardwood floors, because there is, like, some metal on the bottom that you don't want to scratch your hardwood floors, and that would keep it from sliding around. Pretty much any mat. You should all be mindful of stepping on mats on hardwood floors, because a lot of mats will slip around. So even if they have good grip with your skin. They always have good grip on the hardwood floors. We have tile and we have a rug. So it doesn't slide around on our tile. It doesn't slide around our rugs. It is a heavy duty. Brad Crowell 13:49  I mean, it's, it weighs like, you know, 20 pounds. Brad Crowell 13:52  Oh, yeah. Brad Crowell 13:53  It's not light, yeah. It's not like a, it's not a, this is not a yoga mat.Lesley Logan 13:56  No, no, no. So Dan, so I it is an investment. But to me, your mat practice is something you're going to do forever, and it's something, well, this mat, you'll buy one, and you'll have it forever, and there's that. So that's what's really great. Versus my yoga mat.Brad Crowell 14:09  Buy one get that one forever,Lesley Logan 14:11  Get one forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Versus my yoga mats that I inevitably have to replace even every 10 years because they start to just fall apart, Yep, yeah.Brad Crowell 14:21  Well, if you have a question, ping us. Let us know. Send us a text. 310-905-5534, or, you know, and easier is go to be it pod.com/questions we can leave us either a win or a question. We are looking forward to getting those from you so we can celebrate your wins on Fuck Yeah Friday, fuck yeah. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna start chatting about Billy Lhar.Brad Crowell 14:46  All right, let's talk about Billy Lahr. Billy is the creator and host of the Mindful Midlife Crisis podcast and a Certified Mindfulness Meditation Teacher with a background in education and behavior change. He spent over two decades working in education, including Leadership roles before stepping away in 2021 since then, Billy's focused on coaching and consulting while living and working internationally. Definitely describes himself as a nomad. He also facilitates the Jump Start, Jump Start Conversation Series, a free weekly conversation space that's relaxed and collaborative, where coaches often join to connect with peers and share perspectives without the pressure of performing. We're gonna put the link for that in the signup notes below. So if you're interested in that, if that's something that you know you want, like a support group kind of vibe or just a hangout community, sesh, you know, go check that out.Lesley Logan 15:31  Yeah, I think this is really fun. I love that. He said he's not a fan of getting out of your comfort zone to grow. I think that's great. It's like— Brad Crowell 15:40  He said, fuck that. I've been working hard to get into my comfort zone.Lesley Logan 15:42  Yeah, I resonate with that. Because, like, so many of us are, like, trying to figure out who we are. And so, like, it's kind of hard to, like, figure who you are and then get out of your comfort zone if you don't who you are. And but he said to be cautious when we get into the complacency zone. Brad Crowell 15:56  Yeah, I thought that was a cool term—Lesley Logan 15:57  I think that's, I think that that's really, we see that happen all the time with people who teach Pilates, like, sometimes they just get like, they're just like, going through the motions. And, you know, they it's not that they lost their zest for it, but something kind of happened along the way. Maybe they were restricted in too many ways, and they're just like, okay, I'm just gonna do this. But there's no it's okay to be in your comfort zone. Just notice, if you're in your complacency zone, what a great thing. He also suggested, like expanding your life from within, rather than forcing yourself into discomfort from the outside. And I mean, I think, look, here's the deal. We do understand that, like diamonds are made from pressure, and stressing your bones is how you make healthy bones, and stressing your muscles is how you make healthy muscles, like all that stuff is very, very true, but I do think that some people are constant, like, like, they're constantly putting themselves into experiences that maybe is too much, that they're going like, you're doing too much working out, or you're doing too much stress on the bones, and so you're never actually reaping the rewards and the benefits of those things. And so he actually likened it to you you stretch your comfort zone, like pizza dough from the inside. Brad Crowell 17:04  Yeah, I thought that was really interesting. I like the vision, he said. He said, Only heathens pull your pizza dough. You have to press it from the middle. You got to press it from the inside to expand your pizza dough.Lesley Logan 17:14  Yeah, that's why. But I think that just goes—Brad Crowell 17:16  Before we got talking with pizza zone. I want to just define complacency zone, because, you know, comfort zone versus complacency zone, Comfort, he's his argument is that it's okay to be in your comfort zone, but you can get complacent once you get there. And I look, I was just thinking about it, it's like a stagnant place. It's where you're stuck, you know, and you're you're also, it's not just that you're stuck, but you're also, like, unwilling to change. You are resisting change, right? And you're relying on familiar, outdated routines. So, you know, I think that there's definitely a difference between being in the comfort zone and being in a complacency zone. But I do like this the analogy of, like, stretching like a pizza dough, you know?Lesley Logan 17:54  Yeah, I do too. Pilate is all about moving from your center outward. And I also think, like, sometimes people are easy to just go, Well, I'm just gonna change the outside. I'm gonna change from the outside in versus the inside out. Brad Crowell 18:05  Yeah. Yeah.Lesley Logan 18:06  Because a lot of the things you get marketed to are, like, outside, exterior, like, you know, what do you call it? Like external things or physical things? It's not necessarily like getting to know who you are. And so I think that there's something about, you know, it's not, I don't think he's advocating that you just like, sit around in your comfy couch and just like, chill out. But I do think it goes back to like, how we coach studios, like, we want your business to be a little boring, not that you're complacent, but that it's predictable, right? That that it's okay to be in a comfortable place with your business, that it's predictable in its seasons, you'll still have to keep learning. There'll still be new tools to know. There's still going to be things out there that are going to stress you in a different way, but you don't have to find new ways to challenge yourself and get outside your comfort zone all the time. You can. You can actually have some predictability there, as long as you're not complacent. I like it.Brad Crowell 18:53  Yeah. So, you know, when he was talking about pushing back against negative, this idea of being selfish, I was laughing so hard, because we've been talking about this for a long time, that self-care isn't selfish, and I really loved that we're not the only one talking about it. He said, there's not necessarily something wrong with being selfish if you've been overly selfless, right? Like, because I think we get into this, you two are really digging in, you know? And he's saying, you know, we, we think that when we're selfless, we're quote, unquote correct or right, and then when we are selfish, we're wrong, right. And what he was saying is, like, those are both actual extremes. Yeah, you know, what if we were grounded or self centered? Or, what if we focus about centered self, not like, in a negative way, but like, how do we— Lesley Logan 19:49  I know, so—Brad Crowell 19:50  How can we be both of those things instead of like, one or the other?Lesley Logan 19:53  I know, I think, like, because self centered has such a negative connotation, but like, a centered self is, like, whelmed, right? Like—Lesley Logan 19:59  Yeah. Lesley Logan 20:00  So if, like, selfless and self-ish are overwhelmed and underwhelmed, right, then centered self would be whelmed, right?Brad Crowell 20:07  It'd be right in the middle and and that allows you to protect yourself, you know, to put yourself first in some situations and then in others still, of course, you know, serve others, and that's good. But—Lesley Logan 20:20  We have, we have a series coming out about like, giving yourself permission to become whatever it is that you want to be. And there's actually, like, this term called the permission gap that I get into in the episode series that I created. And it's actually all because the way society is is it raises women to feel that they are selfish if they prioritize themselves first, yeah, and so they must care for everyone else's needs ahead of their own, and then they can care for themselves. But there's no time after doing all that—Brad Crowell 20:49  That's, that's just illogical. It's not sustainable. Lesley Logan 20:52  Right. Brad Crowell 20:53  What, what ends up happening is, you're burnt out? Lesley Logan 20:55  Yeah. Brad Crowell 20:55  Yeah. Brad Crowell 20:55  There's a reason why. Like, speaking of Healthcare Advocacy Day, there is a reason why you can actually pay for some way that your health insurance pays someone to take care of you, because it is impossible for someone, or most people, in your life, to take off of work to care for you. There's a reason why we have home health aides, right? Because we—Brad Crowell 21:15  Yeah.Lesley Logan 21:15  We do live in a world where like you can't just like care for other people all the time at the expense of your own self?Brad Crowell 21:22  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the that's the key. That's true. Well, you know, anyway, I just thought they were great topics. So stick around. We'll be right back. We got some really fun BE IT action items from Billy Lhar as well. So we'll be right back.Brad Crowell 21:36  Alright, so finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Billy Lhar. He said he rejects the standard social question of, like, what do you do? And I found this really intriguing, because I love that what do you do is an open ended question, and I'm always interested, I asked that's exactly the question that I ask, what do you do? Because what people how they respond to that question tells me a lot, because when they turn around and say, what do I do? I say, I sleep a lot, or I play video games or, you know, but what they're implying with the question is, what do you do for work? So that's kind of interesting to me, but I loved that he like, he's like, no, screw that. Because people always answer with what do they do for work, which is, is boring. And I thought that was—Lesley Logan 22:22  Not what I do for work, but, you know, but other people are boring. (Laughs)Brad Crowell 22:26  No, but he. here's the thing, effectively, he doesn't want to talk about what he does for work, because he said, he said, I was an English teacher. That's boring, you know. So, you know, what he started doing instead was asking people different questions, and he said they often were like, like shocking or eye opening, or like, whoa, you're we don't even know each other, and you're asking me this kind of question. And he said he the question he likes to leave with is, what are 10 roles that you play in your life, 10 roles that you play in your life, right?Lesley Logan 22:56  Yeah, yeah. I think I would make it three. I feel like I don't want to sit there long enough (inaudible)—Brad Crowell 23:01  First five are always the same. What are your 10 roles? I'm a daughter, I'm a sister, I'm a mom, I'm a wife, I'm a husband. Whatever. He said, It's always that crap. But then once they get through that crap, then they have to tell you something interesting about themselves. What like because they run out of they run out of the obvious things. So then they think about it, and then they have to tell you something. So that's, I think that might be part of why it's 10. He argues that a person's value and interest lie in the various roles that they play outside of those standard things. Like, I'm a paddle boarder. I'm this, I'm a, you know, like, I'm a, I'm a long haul driver for when we go on tour. I'm a I sit behind a booth. I'm a boother. (Laughs)Lesley Logan 23:44  (Laughs)Brad Crowell 23:47  Just making shit up here. He said, he said, also, you know, it helps, because you're not just one thing in your life, and so it like battles complacency when you're when, when you're engaging people on these other things that they're excited about. So—Lesley Logan 24:02  Yeah, I think that's cool, I guess, I guess you're right. You have to go to 10. That's just a big question. If I don't know if I want to talk to that person for that long. Brad Crowell 24:10  Yeah, I feel like that makes sense.Lesley Logan 24:11  He's clearly interested in people, and I'm like, I you know, we can go. Brad Crowell 24:15  What about you? Lesley Logan 24:16  I, okay, so he said, follow your passion is complete and utter nonsense. Brad Crowell 24:21  (Laughs)Lesley Logan 24:21  I think this is so funny. Brad Crowell 24:23  I liked his logic here. I thought this was pretty awesome actually. Lesley Logan 24:26  He said, and I think this is helpful, because, like, people are always like, what am I passionate about? Like, what's my hobby? Like this—Brad Crowell 24:31  Yeah, what should I do? Lesley Logan 24:32  What should I do for like, passion is not a starting point. Passion is a byproduct of this formula. Step one, figure out what you are good at and your strengths. So we have had many a strength finder type coach on here. Oh yeah, so you can go talk to any of them. They are so many. From day one of this podcast, there's been so many. And then he said, jumps he has— Brad Crowell 24:54  He's got a workbook. Lesley Logan 24:54  He's a workhouse, workbook called Jump Start Your Midlife Workbook, and you could take that. So that's part of step one. Got to figure out what you're good at, what are your strengths? Step two, what are you curious about, and how can you leverage those skills and those strengths to learn more? So there's a Venn diagram I'm imagining. This is how I picture it, your skills, your strengths, and what you're curious about. And then dude in the middle, there's like you. And then you take that to find a community. So find people you can connect with, and they'll help you. That will help you identify your purpose. Because even if you don't like them, you'll go, I don't like that. That's not my purpose. And then in then, if you want to turn that purpose into a passion, you just multiply that by consistency, discipline, patience and self-compassion. So then you you put, you know, fuel to that fire.Brad Crowell 25:38  Yeah, and I think that he emphasized the last two and that the patience and self-compassion— Lesley Logan 25:45  Oh yeah. Brad Crowell 25:45  So like when you want to turn something that you're good at into your passion, he said, you need to multiply it by consistency, discipline, patience and self-compassion. And he said, most people, we've all heard you know consistency, persistent and consistent, be persistent and consistent, you know, which, which obviously also means discipline. But he said, we always skip the patience and self-compassion part of it. Lesley Logan 26:10  Yeah.Brad Crowell 26:11  Because you're gonna fail and it's also not gonna happen overnight, whatever it might be. Lesley Logan 26:15  Yep.Brad Crowell 26:15  You know.Lesley Logan 26:16  Yep. I agree. I think radical self-compassion is important.Brad Crowell 26:21  Radical self-compassion.Lesley Logan 26:22  Yes. Brad Crowell 26:23  I dig it.Lesley Logan 26:23  Yes. Just like radical responsibility. That's my right, my favorite phrase right now, I want more people to take it. Um, you guys, I'm Lesley Logan and I'm Brad Crowell. This sinus infection will pass and, but not on next week's episode. So just a heads up. We got one more and, but we're working on it. You know we are, and I appreciate your patience and the self-compassion I'm having for myself and the compassion you're having for me. Send his episode, or this one to a friend who needs to hear it. Send your be it pod wins and and your questions into beitpod.com What does it beitpod.com/questions Yeah. Send them there. And until next time, be it till you see it. Brad Crowell 26:56  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 26:58  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Forget the cliché advice to "get out" of your comfort zone; digital nomad Billy Lahr reveals why you should actually be working harder to get into it. In this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast, mindfulness coach and former dean joins Lesley Logan to challenge the "hustle culture" obsession with escaping comfort, arguing instead that we must distinguish it from the "complacency zone" by expanding our capacity from the inside out, much like stretching a pizza dough. Billy brings a refreshing, no-nonsense perspective on identity, curiosity, and the importance of maintaining a "centered self."   If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Master the art of curiosity to build deeper human connections. Differentiate between a healthy comfort zone and dangerous complacency. Reclaim your personal identity by identifying your ten life roles.Use mindfulness as a practical tool to manage high-intensity anxiety. Turn your unique strengths into a sustainable and purposeful life.Episode References/Links:Mindful Midlife Crisis - https://www.mindfulmidlifecrisis.comBilly Lahr Official Website - https://billylahr.comBilly Lahr Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mindful_midlife_crisisJumpstart Conversation - https://beitpod.com/billylahrjumpstartconvoJumpstart Your Midlife Workbook - https://www.mindfulmidlifecrisis.comThe Selfish Woman Podcast - https://valeriejones.ca/podcastEd Latimore - https://edlatimore.comYoga Ananda Chiang Mai - https://www.yogaananda.net/about-kru-nokGen X Jukebox - https://www.genxjukebox.comGuest Bio:Billy Lahr is certified mindfulness meditation coach, certified personal trainer, behavior change specialist, former educator, serial overthinker, and host of The Mindful Midlife Crisis, a podcast for people navigating the complexities and possibilities of life's second half. In 2013, Billy started practicing mindfulness as a way to manage mounting mental health issues brought on by professional burnout, social media harassment from students, and a lack of job satisfaction. In 2021, Billy left his job as dean of students in order to travel the world in search of more meaningful experiences and community. Since then, he's been a GPS for individuals aiming to live more mindfully and intentionally through recognizing and harnessing their strengths, exploring their curiosities, growing and synergizing with their network by fostering consistency, discipline, patience, and self-compassion. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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And I can tell you, just from my own personal experience, that a lot of that has exacerbated this feeling of isolation and loneliness and this longing for a deeper connection.Lesley Logan 0:31  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:13  All right, Be It babe. I'm really stoked for today's episode we had, I have the most fun talking to Billy Lahr as our guest, and it was really funny. We didn't talk about what he does until halfway through the podcast. And I don't want to ruin it. I don't want to spoil it for you, but we actually talked about comfort zones, and should you stay in them? Should you get out of them? And a whole lot more insights and I just think it's really fun. We talk about curiosity. And so I think you're just going to enjoy all of this. Oh, and the Be It Action Items at the end, fucking fabulous. You'll love them. So here you go. Here's Billy Lahr.Lesley Logan 1:45  All right, Be It babe. I'm super excited we have a total, like, true digital nomad as our guest today. Billy Lahr is here, and I kind of am obsessed. Because before I bought a house, and, like, settled in and like, loved being at home, my husband and I used to be nomads. Someone thought like we'll just be nomadic people. So we just dabble in it. But you do it full time. Can you tell us what you rock at and why you why you're a digital nomad?Billy Lahr 2:11  I rock at curiosity. I would say that's my superpower. I like to ask questions. I never, ever, whenever I meet people, I never asked the question, what do you do? That's the most boring question in the world. And there's a couple of reasons why I don't ask that. I actually got that tip from past guests on my podcast named Jesse Ross, and the way I look at it is, what you do, one, is usually the least interesting thing about you, like I taught, I taught English for 21 years. Everyone had one of me. Everyone knows what I did. So that's it's not fun for me to talk about that. Secondly, people generally don't like to talk about work outside of work unless they're super involved and they love what they do. Most people do what they do because it pays the bills. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and we'll come back to that a little bit later. But the third reason is, I think people over identify with their roles, their jobs. I live in Korea now, and I see that a lot, there is a pressure to have a certain status. And I feel like whenever you talk to people about what do you do, you can feel them recoil because they don't want to talk about it. So the first question I always ask all of my guests is, what are 10 roles that you play in your life? To me, that's a more interesting question. Now, the first four or five answers are always something familial. You know, for me, I'm a brother, I'm a son, I'm an uncle. Those things come like that. Then when you get into those later examples, you have to dig deep into what roles you actually play. So for me, digital nomad, Pearl Jam fanatic. I've seen Pearl Jam 54 times in nine states. I'm an avid paddle boarder. I've paddle boarded off five continent coasts. So those are the kind of things that are interesting and lead to better conversation. And because of my curiosity, I'm able to kind of wiggle my way through the mundane to get to those types of conversations.Lesley Logan 4:32  Yeah. I mean, I think, like, first of all, you're not wrong there. I go to a lot of parties, and of course, like, people are asking, what do you do? And this for me, most of the time, when people do ask me that I'm on a plane going somewhere and I and I'm like, well, it's gonna be really weird when I tell you what I actually do, because you're like, then why are you going to where you're going? That doesn't make sense. So it can be interesting and weird, but also, like not many people want to talk about their job, like you said, or it's like, it is the least interesting thing about them, or it's it is something that pays the bills. And so there are other things, but they're never asked that questions. They don't even know how to describe themselves or talk about themselves. And the fact that you're curious must mean that you meet cooler versions of people, like we can meet the same people, but because you can be more curious than me, you're gonna meet a version of them that, like I might have, like, missed because I asked the wrong question, or I didn't ask or not even the wrong question. I just asked a better question.Billy Lahr 5:27  My general rule when I talk to people, and this is going to sound a bit arrogant, but whatever. My general rule is, you need to be at least as interesting as I am, because I've lived a pretty interesting life, and if you have nothing to contribute, then, like, what value do you have for me in the conversation? So I'm going to dig around. I'm going to ask questions that maybe the normal person isn't going to ask. I had this situation pop up the other week, and there were two women who are like, I can't believe you just asked that. And I'm like, listen, if you don't ask, then you don't get the answers. So my dad always told me ask the worst anyone could ever say is no. So I ask, and those lead to better conversations.Lesley Logan 6:15  Yeah, yeah. I think, I mean, it is true, like I was taught that as well. It's like, if you don't ask, you got to know, and so you may as well ask, because if you get a no, then you know, and you can go find another way, but you could get a yes, and then it's like, oh my god, like you could get that. So I I completely agree. And I also think, like, you know, a lot of people are feeling lonely these days. I have to imagine, like, traveling the world if you're curious, you're never lonely, because you're always finding ways to talk to people and, like, get to know them. But people are lonely and they don't travel and they're surrounded by people, but I think it's because they're they're not getting to a deeper version of a person that they're talking to. So everything has surfaced all of the time.Billy Lahr 6:56  I'll tell you that the conversations that I've had with digital nomads is that being a nomad is incredibly lonely and isolating, because what you're doing is a lot of times, because it's such a transient community, is you're building these superficial relationships and people come and go out of your life. And I can tell you, just from my own personal experience, that a lot of that has exacerbated this feeling of isolation and loneliness and this longing for a deeper connection. It's very hard to maintain romantic relationships when you're on the move like this. So there is a part of me that does desire to just be in one spot. I'm someone who craves stability. I'm someone who craves structure. I crave routine. That's where I thrive. I used to work in education. Bells told me when to start and stop my day. So this is a huge leap, and I'm not not a fan of this idea of get out of your comfort zone. Shut up. I've been working really hard to get into my comfort zone. Let me sit in my comfort zone, but where I tell people to be cautious of is when we start to get into the complacency zone. So when things start to feel complacent, that's when we need to stretch our comfort zone like it's pizza dough. And you don't pull pizza dough from the outside. Only heathens do that. You push pizza dough from the inside, and where you see it's thin, you put some flour, you put a little bit more dough, and you massage that in there, and you stretch out that pizza dough. If someone tells you to get out of their comfort zone, I don't know if we can swear on here, you can just tell them, you know, shut the fuck up. I'm good in my comfort zone, but you need to take a look at, am I in my comfort zone, or am I, am I in my complacency zone? Right now, I'm definitely stretching my pizza dough because I was working a full time job. Now I'm back to freelance, and things are a bit more, you know, unstable. So, you know, I'm I'm trying to build some things, I'm trying to rebrand some things, and it all takes a lot of hard work, and there's a lot of uncertainty in there. And listen uncertainty as a very anxious person, as a very high intensity person, uncertainty does not sit well with me. So I'm very much navigating through all of this.Lesley Logan 9:31  This is so interesting. You are an enigma. But okay, first of all, I actually agree. I think there's something about getting out of your comfort zone all the time that the overachiever is listening to, that's the causing burnout, and it's causing extra stress. It's like, my if you're a high achiever, you're rocking it. That just means you like big things and you're doing those things, the overachievers, that's when you're like, I got to get outside of my comfort zone. It's like, but you haven't like you just said, I want to try to get in my comfort zone. It's like, that's interesting. How often have I just, like, sat still and, like, enjoyed the comfort that I created, you know, like, but do you mind? Can we dive into the complacency zone? Like, when you say that, like, the signs and symptoms you're in a complacency zone, the what, what came to mind is, like, you complain about the comfort zone. You kind of come like, you kind of complain about your, oh, the things in your life, or the things around your life, like that might be, to me, a sign, or sometimes you're in complacency, like you're good at what you do when you're still complaining about it. Is that one like, what are some signs that you're in complacency?Billy Lahr 10:30  That's a great question. So here's a perfect example, when I have new clients when so I was teaching business English here in Korea, so I wasn't teaching at a hagwon with elementary school kids. I've done with public education in that regard, I want to work with adults. So I was working at Hyundai and Kia and teaching their employees Business English. And so when I first meet them, I want to know, hey, what are your hobbies? And a lot of them will say, especially if they're parents, especially if they're new parents, my hobby is my child. Ding, ding, ding, complacency zone. So listen, let me, let me preface this by saying I'm not a parent, so I don't know what it's like to have a child. I don't know what it's like to sacrifice those things. What I do know is that my parents still did things despite having three kids. My dad sang in an all men's choir. Both my mom and my dad played softball throughout the week. They did things that still interested them so that they could socialize with people. So I think especially here, there is this emphasis on making sure that your child grows up and has a more successful future than what you have. And what I notice is that there's a lot of snowplow parents, we'll call them. Lesley Logan 12:00  Yeah, we have them in the States. Billy Lahr 12:02  Yeah, yeah. So I feel like when that happens, you lose your sense of identity again. We come back to this idea of identity, yeah. So where can you find identity? And it's through curiosity. And remember, it's you're not just one identity. You're playing many roles. So if you take a look at those 10 roles, and if you can't come up with 10 roles, that's another perfect example of, hey, maybe you're in this complacency zone. When was the last time you participated in one of those roles? Are all of these roles about someone else, because if they are, you're losing that sense of identity. So how do you go out and explore those? Easier said than done but that comes, that comes from self-awareness. It comes from sitting with your thoughts, your feelings and your emotions, sitting with what you want, and coming to a realization that, okay, I feel like, you know, we talk about being selfish and we talk about being selfless. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with being selfish if you've been overly selfless. So in the middle, you know, we talk about self-centered Well, what about centered self? That's ultimately where we want to be and when we want to be a centered self, it means that we need to be able to provide for others while also providing for ourself. Lesley Logan 13:34  Yeah, I agree, like we've talked on this podcast before, how I think selfish has to do a rebrand, because, like, very rarely have I experienced the people that I have talked to, the stories that I've heard, or the listeners that we have actually being selfish assholes, like most of the time when they think they're being selfish, they're just prioritizing their self. Billy Lahr 13:54  I want to direct everybody to Valerie Jones. Valerie Jones has a podcast called The Selfish Woman. She was a guest on the mindful midlife crisis. I think it's episode 57. Valerie is great, and she's done this excellent job of rebranding this idea of what it means to be selfish. So check that out.Lesley Logan 14:14  Yeah, okay, I might want an intro to her, because, like. Billy Lahr 14:17  You have to she's great. Lesley Logan 14:18  Done. We're doing it after this. Okay. Because, like, but I think like the centered self also, like I do, I do love that you challenge people who who are, who are parents, as a role, that if they don't have something outside of their kids, it, it doesn't actually help your kiddo out. Like we have seen these kids get older. We now have the Gen Z kids and these kids, and they haven't experienced disappointment, they haven't experienced a loss. They have it at a young age, because you just snow plowed all of it for them. And so now they're 20 something years old, and they're learning for the first time what it's like to fail at something that is a hard thing to do, that's hard. You got to learn it when you're younger. So I'm with you.Billy Lahr 14:57  And here's the I know people are like dude, you don't have kids. Mind your business. Okay. Let me give you another example. My former co host, Brian on the Bass. We call him Brian on the Bass because he plays bass in every band in the Twin Cities in Minnesota. He decided to, like I said, he's been playing bass in all of these bands. He records here and there. He developed. He he branded this new band called Gen X Jukebox. This is a guy who has three boys, boys, just or sharknadoes spinning around his house. They had a whoopsie. All right, they had a bonus baby. Sorry, they had a bonus baby when they were in their 40s, but he's still doing all of these things. They bought a bus and they turned it into a schooly, it's something that he and his wife did together. So listen, if you're listening to me and you're like, you childless, you childless piece of shit, you don't know what you're talking about. Okay, fine, fine, fine. Who are the other examples out there who are fulfilling these these roles, and take a look at your own and just say, Okay, what are things that I used to do that I don't do anymore? Or what am I curious about today that I want to learn more of?Lesley Logan 16:16  Yeah, I think that's so true. And I, for people, been listening to this podcast for a really long time, like the first three years of the podcast, I was like, I'm on a hobby hunt. And then people like you don't have hobby like you have so many hobbies. I'm like, No, I have a lot of hobbies that turned into pay. Like I got paid to do them, and the moment I'm getting paid to do them, I don't feel them as a hobby anymore. It's now a job. And I love what I do. I have no complaints. I love all of the aspects of my job, because I get to decide if I don't want to do them anymore, but I want to find a hobby, and I recently found one in the last year. And people are like, Oh, well, because I'm like, way up in Tarot right now. So however people feel about that, I don't care. I love it. I'm having the best time. And people like, Oh, are you gonna do a reading for me? And I was like, No, it's my fucking hobby. You can get your own reading. Go pay someone like, so I find that, like, it's really easy for people to, like, start doing something, and then people go, Oh, then you could do it for me. And it's like, I do find things that you could be curious about and, and I don't care if people want you to do it for them. You don't have to full permission from the pod permit. You get to just like, be curious about them and let them be with their or you can also change your mind. I do think that's another thing people have to realize. Like, you could be go, oh, I used to love to snowboard. And then you can go and go, Oh, I hate it now. That's fine. You can just don't worry about the sunk cost. Billy, you've mentioned your dad a couple of times, and I know that, like your dad had said something to you when you were a teacher, like, do you mind? Can we dive into that? And like, how that has shaped where you are today?Billy Lahr 17:42  Yeah, yeah. So, you know, my dad is a character. He's like Rodney Dangerfield in every movie. He's got the sexual innuendos. But you know, everybody knows who he is. Everybody calls him uncle D. So you know that this is just kind of guy that my dad is, but I remember him, my dad. He's a he's a farmer, he's a tinkerer, he he is a natural salesman. This guy is a renaissance man, and I think there's a small part of him, and he'll never admit this, that's maybe a little disappointed that I didn't get into, you know, being the the farm kid, or being the hunter or that sort of stuff. And instead, I got into I played sports, and I really got into books, and I got into writing. So I became an English teacher and and I remember one time he said to me, I hope you're a good English teacher, because you will starve if you have to do anything else. And he said it with love. He said it with love. He said it jokingly. But this is that's kind of what I've been figuring out here the last four years, because I left education in 2021 and I've been trying to figure out, okay, what is it that I'm good at that I can monetize? Is because there are and by monetize is being get paid for, right? Lesley Logan 19:05  Yeah, well, because the world we requires us to pay bills and so we have to figure a way to monetize something that we're willing to do for many hours of a week yeah. Billy Lahr 19:14  Yeah. And I think that's, you know, I've been, I've been figuring that out the last four years now I feel very, very lucky, very privileged, that one thing that he taught me was how to save and how to invest. So I've been able to travel around here the last four years with the money that I've saved, with the money that I've invested. I took this last year to work in Korea full time, because, like I said, I needed that stability, I needed that structure, I needed that routine. So in all of that, I've been experimenting. My wonderful friend Jill Daler talks about using the world as her laboratory and just seeing what works. And listen, lot of things have failed that I've done the last few years, and I think a big part of that is because I don't know how to market myself, and I don't want to play the algorithm game, because I grew up in the 90s, and the biggest sin in the 90s was selling out.Lesley Logan 20:20  Oh yeah, okay, so what? You're a little older than me, I think, but I do recall, you know, hearing people.Billy Lahr 20:26  I told you, Pearl Jam is my favorite band all those Seattle grunge bands. What did they teach us? They taught us don't sell out. Selling out is the greatest sin of it all, and this idea of marketing and playing the algorithm game and using clickbaity titles, it's so vomitus to me, and it feels disingenuous to who I am as a creative spirit. But then there are a lot of starving artists out there, so as I'm going through this rebrand, I'm thinking to myself, listen, maybe you need to play the game, because the last time I saw Pearl Jam, you want to know who was sponsoring the show, Amazon Music. Okay, so if Pearl Jam can come around to, you know, corporate, corporate suggestion, corporate support, then, then maybe I can play the game too, because, you know, who am I to Pearl Jam? Lesley Logan 21:22  But also, and here's the thing, like, I completely agree with that on a I own, on my own way, and that, like, the way that I could have had more followers, more subscribers on YouTube much sooner, given the industry I am, is to just be a little bit skinnier and make sure that I only work out in a tiny sports bra and tiny shorts. And like everything is about abs and glutes, abs and glutes, abs and glutes, and it's like, but that's not the way I teach. That's not the Pilates I teach. I actually am extremely like conscious that people just feel good in their body, that they don't think that fitness actually is how you lose weight, because it's not, it's how you eat and hormones and all that stuff, sleep, water and all these different things. However, 10 years into my YouTube channel, I just have 40,000 subscribers, and my friends have millions. So what I had to figure out is like, How can I understand what the titles have to be, and then be fucking honest with people in the video? So can you lose weight with Pilates? Is not like or like Pilates and weight loss like something that'd be so clickbait against me. It's like, okay, so let's talk about what real, actual weight loss is, if you how do you know you need it? And if Pilates can do it. And so I had to find a way to like, Okay, how do I digest the click bait? But then be honest and authentic. Because the other reality is, is like, No, you said starving artists, but like the impact that you and I want to make on this world, no one hears about it if it doesn't get put in front of their face and so and so you either have time or you have money. And the thing about the algorithms is you can have no dollars, but get your message out there. That's not something we could do in the 90s. Pearl Jam would have to pay for ad space and radio space and all this stuff. So I do feel like there is some swallowing of of some of it to go. Okay, well, what can I live with? Like, what's my value process there? And it has helped me immensely, because while I still don't have millions of subscribers, all the ones I do have, I got organically, and they actually like the message I have, you know, and even if they didn't subscribe, it at least got the truth, and then they can go do with what they want, you know. So that it's an interesting thing, but it is hard, because I fucking hate the game of the algorithms. I think it's annoying. It's frustrating, but also people are overwhelmed and exhausted and in complacency, and so how do we get them out? I don't know.Billy Lahr 23:38  Yeah, yeah, it's funny. It just dawned on me that I haven't talked about, like, what service I provide and and I think this is gonna be funny. This is gonna be funny now, if people have listened to me throughout this and they're like, this guy's kind of a spaz, that's why I'm a certified mindfulness meditation teacher.Lesley Logan 24:01  Well, your message, your message.Billy Lahr 24:03  Right, right. So what I tell people because people will tell me, like, you're pretty intense for you a meditation teacher, yes, I practice mindfulness so that I can be this obnoxious, because if I wasn't, I'd be a complete and total asshole. So I practiced it so that I can stay here in this area, because when I wasn't practicing, then I was very anxious, and that was manifesting in the depression, and that was manifesting in some other darker thoughts. So this brand of mindfulness that I share, it isn't it isn't granola. It is, it is, it's, it's more just like, hey, here's what we need to do. I'm not going to tell you to follow your passions. I'm not going to tell you that everything happens for a reason, because I don't believe in those things. But here's what I do think is practical, and here's an easy first step. And that, then, in turn, allows me to be genuine. And I like what you said there, like, yeah, we can have a clickbaity title as long as the content within the video is genuine and it's and it's authentic to who we are. When you listen to my meditations, I can be very can go into that meditation voice, and I can be very soothing, and I know that's what that audience needs, if they click on that meditation but if they're listening to an interview, you're going to get me at high energy, because I love being behind a microphone. That's why, like, I found ways to emcee events here in Seoul, just by, you know, you talk about, see it till you be it like or be it till, which one is it? Lesley Logan 25:50  I like the way you said it, I think it's great. Billy Lahr 25:52  No, no, because I actually wrote about this in one of my newsletters, because once your team reached out to me, I was like, see it till you, be it, does that make more sense? But then you were talking about, be it till you see it. And I was, I was volunteering as my volunteering with my services as an emcee for these live music events around here, not getting paid for it, but not expecting to. I was just doing it because it was fun. And then over time, the band that I was emceeing for, they're a band called The Johnny Birds. You can check them out on Spotify. Please do people. They were like, hey, every time you emcee, people donate more money, so we want to include you in on that. And I was like, oh, whoa. Like, I did not expect that, but it was so generous and thoughtful of them to be like, no, you're part of this band. It as part of the live show to some degree. So we want to make sure that we show our appreciation. And that was just me being it, yeah, and then all of a sudden, you know, I saw the money.Lesley Logan 27:04  I so first of all, I pretty sure you, you did write a newsletter, and you sent it to my team, and I got it, and I was like, this is so cool. I haven't met the person yet. Look at the impact we're having. I really love that, because I love that story, because I do think so many people are, like, waiting for it to be all figured out and figuring out how much do I charge for this, and what's the process? And it's like, but that has never been how anything has happened for me. Everything has happened by like, acting like I have an idea of what the fuck I'm doing, even if I don't doing the best I can, and then, like, seeing what happens, and all of a sudden it's like, oh, I'm four steps up the stairwell already, like it just happened, and then other people see it, and then see you do it, and they're inspired by that. And then they're like, Oh, you must know what you're doing. I'm gonna hire you for this thing, or whatever it is. And so I think a lot of people are waiting until they have their business card ready and they practice in front of the mirror. So I love that story so much, and I think it's really cool. And also, you have an innate thing, and we talked about this before, but like, you are a really good cheerleader for other people. You have a really good and that kind of goes back to, like, you have a hard kind of time. It's not selling out, but like, marketing yourself, as you said, because, like, you almost are like, the backup babe for so many people. You're like, ready to launch all their stuff.Billy Lahr 28:19  Oh yeah, give me the pompoms, man. I'll be the cheerleader. I'll be the cheerleader if you're doing good things, I'll absolutely be the cheerleader for you. And that's, I think that's where I went wrong with my own podcast, because I started off by giving people a platform to share their experiences and expertise, and I was having these really fascinating conversations. And then I started working with a podcast business coach, and bless his heart, he's he's a really great dude, but we didn't share the same vision. My vision was to give people a platform to share their experiences and expertise to my listeners, so that, and I just wanted to have those conversations with really fascinating people. And his idea was, well, hey, the only way that you're going to make money is if you market your coaching services. So it went completely and I hate sales. I hate them. I hate them. I hate them. I don't have my dad's sales acumen. It's I just would rather talk to other people and celebrate other people. And, you know, I feel like, you know, then people are like, oh, you know you're really good at the interview part. Oh, thank you. Like, that feeds my, my need for words of affirmations, like, You're really good. I'll tell you that I had Ed Latimore on my podcast. And Ed does thousands of podcasts in his lifetime. He's an author. People, check out Ed Latimore. He's got a book now called. Lesley Logan 29:53  You're doing it right now, Billy, you are promoting someone else. Billy Lahr 29:57  He said and here's the I've never met Ed in person, I've only met him through Zoom, but he's a really fascinating dude. And when we got done, he said, You know what? You're really good at this. And it kind of caught me by surprise, because Ed, Ed grew up like in the mean streets of Philadelphia, and, like, he was a professional boxer, you know, he literally doesn't pull punches, so he tells it like how he sees it. And that, to me, was one of the nicest compliments I've ever received. And I said, that means a lot to me, because I feel like you've done a lot of these. And he said, I have done a lot of these and and you're really good at this. And that, to me, again, goes back to the be it till you see it like I was just, I'm just asking questions. I'm doing the research and and asking questions. I hate when people send me their media flyers and like you can ask these questions. Guess what? That's a guarantee I'm not going to ask any of those questions, because then you have canned responses. I'm going to go and listen to the podcast that you did on other shows, and I'm going to write down all of the follow up questions that I think that the host should have asked you. I'm going to go to your website and I'm going to ask you specific things about your website. I'm going to read your book, and I'm going to ask you things that stand out to me in your book, because that's where real conversation comes. It doesn't come from these canned questions. And like the more that we understand other people, the more curious we are, and the more you know, harmonious of a society we can be.Lesley Logan 31:36  I think it goes back to like being you're a mindfulness coach like you being curious about other people and them being able to, like, hear that conversation requires mindfulness, because it requires them to be aware of any of the fucking things that they actually do in their life. Like, it's like, I think a lot of people go through the day, and so it actually doesn't surprise me that that's what you coach on. And also like, why you're a curious person. To me, they kind of go hand in hand. I also like, look, because we we coach Pilates instructors who are like, I just want to teach, you know, because I love what I do. And I'm like, the IRS doesn't care that you love what you do. If you have a business, they are going to audit you if you haven't paid taxes a couple years like they expect. They're going to give you a couple years to fuck around, and then they're going to expect their money. So I love that, and also I have to make sure that you, like, can pay your bills. So I appreciate your coach going. I want you to make your night, but there are so many different ways to make money around things. And you know you being until you see it in the beginning is a perfect way to, like, kick off your podcast and figure it out, because I don't think there's one way to make money with podcasts. I think there's a billion ways, and you'll find the one that works for you. And you don't have to be an actual, like, quote, unquote salesperson to do it. So I see it happening, and it probably already has, because you're still doing why would you podcast if it wasn't working for you? Billy Lahr 32:56  I'll be honest, I hauled I put a pause on the podcast back in March because it, it was, it was, like, in a toxic relationship, because, like, I couldn't quit it. I was, you know, I would, I would pause, and then I would keep going back to it, and I would pause, and I keep going back to it, and I pause it, and I haven't recorded in a while, and I don't have any intention of going back to recording it at this time, if things were to change then, then I would maybe, maybe this rebranding, you know, blows up. Then it's like, oh, okay, now I can go back to doing this, but I don't miss it, but at the same time, I feel really good about what we created. Like, we recorded over 100 episodes, and most of those were episodes with guests. And I'm really proud to look at that guest list and be like, Okay, we were 50-50, with men and women. We, you know, we were when it was, when it was me and Brian on the Bass, you know, it was two straight white guys, right? But we had a very diverse collection of people from the LGBT community, people of color, like, you know, we really sought out or, like, it was my show, I sought out people and different voices. And I think that that that's really important, because we need to get out of that, of that silo of what we see in here, and I think that's another sign, too, of complacency, if we go back to that, that if you're looking at and you're getting the same messages, whether, whether it's MSNBC, whether it's Fox News or whatnot, not even a news channel, if it's just the same messages over and over and over again, who's challenging that, and in then, in what way are you being curious?Lesley Logan 34:48  Yeah, yeah. I think, I think that's really true. I think a lot of people, they well, it's hard when your thoughts are challenged. It's much easier to just go, oh no, everyone around me thinks this way, and it's definitely challenging. I have family members that we have conversations, and I can tell what they're listening to, and I'm like, What are you like? What? Okay, let's for example, it was just Halloween. Here we're recording this, and I had someone tell me, Oh, this. They are this tool where you can easily see if there's drugs in the kids candy. And I said, I'm so sorry. I just have to ask, who the fuck is putting drugs in the candy? Who is doing this? People do. No one does. How would that kid get hooked on that drug and know which house it came from? It isn't a bag. Drugs are very expensive. No drug dealer is just giving drugs out for free in hopes that he hooks these children on drugs and then they'll then come looking for said drugs. Like, they wouldn't even know what drug they had to go buy it. They wouldn't even know what high they're on. This makes zero sense to me. I cannot participate in this fear mongering bullshit. I'm like, you have to like, you don't have to like, just go think about it. But no, every Halloween I have to hear it, there's probably drugs or needles. There's needles. I'm like, you can Google, are there needles in kids candy? And it will say no,Billy Lahr 36:06  it happened once. So it must happen all the time.Lesley Logan 36:08  Happens all the time. There are people like, what are so anyways, I but I do think people don't want to challenge their thoughts, because we're because there is something comfortable about being complacent, you know. So I think it requires people to be ready to be challenged in that way and want something different. I think it's also really cool. You know, it's not easy to start or stop anything like some people can don't get started. Some people get started, but they never stop. And podcasts, y'all are hungry babies. My YouTube channel is a hungry baby, and it never grows up. It will never, it'll never produce its own content. It will always require people me to show up and be present, people to want to be on this podcast, people to listen to the podcast. It will always require those things. And so it's pretty like, it's a pretty challenging thing to make a decision like that, and then, like, figure out what you want to do from it. So I don't know. I think it's cool, you know, what you're doing, what you're exploring. I would love to know, what are you like, are you excited about anything right now? Do you have a new country on your plate? Like, what's coming up next for you, Billy?Billy Lahr 37:09  Yeah, so I'm current, like I said, I'm in I'm in Seoul right now, but I am heading to Kota Kinabalu in Malaysia. I have yet to be to Malaysia, and then I'm gonna go to Kuala Lumpur. Kuala Lumpur was on my original list four years ago, and then it just kind of fell to the wayside. So going there, and then I'm going back to Chiangmai, because I love Chiangmai. You know, if you're Pilates, you probably have a lot of people who are like yogis, that travel around, so come to Chiangmai, and if you're in Chiangmai in January and mid February, let's go take a class together at Yoga Ananda. Because Kru Nok is the single greatest yoga teacher in the history of yoga teachers. She has this presence about her, like it's, I'm almost like a teenage girl outside of TRL on Backstreet Boy day every time she walks into the room, because I'm just like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. And it's not she's strikingly beautiful, of course, but it's her presence, and it's the way that she leads the class where I'm just like it, I'm just so impressed with with just the way that she instructs and the way that she adjusts, and it's really impressive. So yogi's out there.Lesley Logan 38:31  How natural, I have to follow up with you because we do like Chiangmai. We were just there last a year ago, and we were there after the floods. And it's, it's a beautiful, beautiful place. We were in Chiang Rai before that, and I kind of like Chiangrai, but my husband Chiangrai, but my husband really liked Chiang Mai, so I feel like we'll probably be back in Chiangmai, but that's cool.Billy Lahr 38:47  Yeah, but then I'll be back, I'll be back in the States, in case anybody is like, you know, I actually want to, I want to, I want to meet this guy, or I want to be in the same time zone as this guy. I'll be back in the States in April, because my niece is getting married in May. If she wasn't getting married, I would have no intentions of coming back to the States. But, yeah, you know, I suppose I should be there for that I should be the funcle.Lesley Logan 39:07  Also, also, it'll be it's always good to, like, step back into the place that you came from just to kind of see how far you've gone. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's easy. It's an easier way to look in the rear view mirror. We're gonna take a brief break and find out how more people can find you online, instead of running into in Chiangmai and your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 39:28  All right, Billy, where, so you're a mindfulness coach. Where can they connect with you, meet you, work with you on Zoom. What do you got?Billy Lahr 39:35  Yeah, if you want more from the podcast, you can go to www.mindfulmidlifecrisis.com and you can sign up for the Jumpstart Your Midlife Workbook, and you'll be part of my newsletter too. That way, you can hear all all the times that I talk about Lesley's show, and you can find out where I go. I talk about my travels in there as well. I kind of give recaps of life lessons from the past episodes in that newsletter as well. If you're curious about what I do, you can go to www.billylahr.com it's L-A-H-R. If you want to check that out, I have a YouTube you can check out those. And I'm rebranding all those, so they're gonna be all sort of clickbaity titles. In case you don't like my esoteric titles that I've been using in the past. You can follow me on Instagram, mindful_midlife_crisis and you can follow me on LinkedIn, Billy Lahr, yeah, come check me out. Say hi. Let me know if there were any takeaways from this episode, things that I said that you were like, oh, I really like that, or things that I said where you're like, dude, you're full of shit. Let's talk about it. Lesley Logan 40:42  I think that both are great, though both has strike wonderful, curious conversations. I also want to say, way to go, way to promote all the things look at you. Look at you, Billy.Billy Lahr 40:52  I mean, I invested in that stuff. I might as well, yes, I might as well talk about them. So, yeah, absolutelyLesley Logan 40:59  Okay, you've actually given us some great stuff, but we always do the always do the the I totally listen, but I still want action steps at the end, be it, bold, executable, intrinsic or targets that people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Billy Lahr 41:11  Yeah. So the first thing that I tell people is to figure out what are your strengths, right? So this whole idea we talked about, follow your passion is complete and utter nonsense, passion is not a starting point. Passion is a byproduct, and it is a byproduct of this formula. Remember, I like structures, so we're going to have formulas. So step one, figure out what you're good at. Where are your strengths? If you don't know, ask somebody. Take a personality profile test. I actually have one in the Jumpstart Your Midlife Workbook that you can take. That's what this whole the whole workbook is about. This, these steps right here. Secondly, what are you curious about, and how can you leverage those skills and those strengths to learn more? And then third, find a community, find people that you can connect with, all of that will help you identify your purpose. And then, if you want to turn purpose into passion, you just multiply that by consistency, discipline, patience and self-compassion. Everybody talks about the consistency and and the the discipline, nobody ever talks about, the patience and the self-compassion, you got to have those two. And then what you'll find is, oh, you figure out what it is that you're passionate about. To me, passion is something that you will do on the weekend for free because you enjoy it so much, don't monetize it. You don't have to monetize it. Just do it for you. Do it for fun. And if, over time, you've like, oh, okay, like, maybe, maybe I can make a little side hustle with this. Go for it. But then remember, it's no longer a passion, it's a job. So keep those things in mind and just follow those steps, especially those first three, those are the big three right there. And you'll it'll give your life a little bit more meaning, and it will help you stretch that comfort zone. Lesley Logan 43:12  Yeah. So good. Way to go. Thanks, Billy. This is so fun. Billy Lahr 43:18  Yeah, thank you for having me. Yeah, I've enjoyed it. Lesley Logan 43:19  Yeah, everyone. How are you gonna use these tips in your life? Let Billy know. Let the Be It Pod know and send this to a friend who needs to hear it. Send it to a complacent friend. Be their kickstart. It'll help them stretch their dough and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 43:33  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. 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One anonymous Saturday ritual at a local bookstore can spark a movement that transforms an entire children's hospital. In this "Fuck Yeah Friday" episode, Lesley Logan shares the touching story of a grandfather whose weekly gift evolved into the "Books for Bravery" program, now delivering 47 books every Sunday. Beyond community miracles, she highlights personal listener wins like her Aunt Vickie's surprise family celebration and the joy of divisional playoff football. She also gets vulnerable about her own journey toward a professional ADHD diagnosis, emphasizing why self-advocacy is the ultimate win after realizing she was exhausted by trying to manage through yet another system. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Honoring a grandson's leukemia recovery through a weekly book ritual.Scaling a bookstore gift-wrapping tradition into the "Books for Bravery" program.Staying consistent with Pilates workouts while favorite instructor was on vacation.Aquarius personality traits and a clinical ADHD diagnosis from a psychiatrist.Managing the eight-month waitlist for professional mental health support.Episode References/Links:@stranger_wisdom_ - https://www.instagram.com/stranger_wisdom_@bookloverswriting - https://beitpod.com/bookloverswritingSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday.Lesley Logan 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 0:47  Hi, Be It babe. Happy April 10th, happy FYF. It's Fuck Yeah Friday. And did I tell you guys? Maybe I told you guys? Maybe I didn't. Did I tell you guys? I met this incredible one of our listeners? Hi, I met one of our incredible listeners. I'll keep your name out of it, but she was at the airport on her way to the Pilates World Expo, which is where I got to see her, and she said that she couldn't get her AirPods to connect. And she was hit play on the podcast, and it was like it was the Be It Pod, obviously, that's why I'm telling the story. And so she hits play, and her AirPods aren't connecting, and it goes it's Fuck Yeah Friday, it's just like, fuck yeah, at the airport and all these people look over and this woman is stunning. She's so beautiful, and like, not someone you would think is gonna play out loud in an airport. It's Fuck Yeah Friday, I just laughed so hard. And also I hope we have issues like I think you have more listeners now. I'm like, we need them. So thank you for exposing people to this amazing episode where we give you some inspiration, something to think about, your wins, my wins, and a mantra, right? Let's keep it short. Let's keep it tight. Let's keep it fun. Lesley Logan 1:56  This won't be fun. This part is inspirational in a way that we have action to take. So, all right, so here is, here's something that inspired me on the internet. Are you ready? @stranger_wisdom_ but @bookloverswriting shared it, so, I work at a bookstore. Old man comes in every Saturday, 3pm buys one book. Always pays cash, always asks for it to be gift wrapped. Does this every week. Been doing it for six years. Never misses a Saturday. Finally asked him, must be quite a collection you're building. He smiled. I don't keep them. Confused look on my face. Every Sunday, I go to the Children's Hospital, leave the book at the nurse's station, anonymously, whichever kid needs it most that week. Been doing it since my grandson was there leukemia. He beat it, five years cancer free now, their voice cracked a little, but I remember those long days of scared nights, and I remember the random book someone left, how it gave him something to focus on besides fear. Never found out who left that book, so I decided to be that person for other kids, other scared families. One book a week doesn't seem like much, but it helps one kid forget they're scared for even an hour. It's worth it. I didn't know what to say. Told my manager she got emotional. We decided something, every book he buys, we match it two books to the hospital instead of one. Told him the next Saturday. He cried in the middle of the store. You'd do that? Every single week, I promised. Word spread. Other customers started asking to participate. Now we have a program. Books for Bravery. Customers donate. We buy books, deliver them every Sunday started with two books a week. Now we're at 47 books a week, all because one grandfather refused to forget. 47 books a week. That's insane, right? So that man still comes every Saturday, still buys one book, still asks for gift wrap, but now he's not alone. There's usually five or six other people that are doing the same thing. They become friends. Call themselves the Saturday Book Club, but they never actually read together. 622 books delivered so far. We started keeping letters from parents and from kids. One said I was so scared that I found a book on my nightstand had a note, from someone who believes you're brave. I read it 12 times. It helped. That's why we do it. The grandfather's grandson came in last month. He's 14, now, healthy and strong, and wanted to meet the staff. My grandpa told me, what y'all do? I want to help. Can I volunteer? Now he comes every Saturday, helps pick books, write encouraging notes to put inside. Ah, I mean, there's some good, amazing people out there, you know, you think, like, I'm just doing this one thing. And like, who would know and how much is like it affecting, but like it affects people, right? And doesn't like the one book was like for weeks and weeks and months and months, and then other people joined in. And now, just like all the kids who are going to are going to be touched by that, because there's, there's a new kid with cancer in the hospital all the time, right? So I just love that story. Love that story. I hope you did too. Lesley Logan 4:55  All right, so now your win. This comes from Amie Schantz. She is an OPC member and she shared this. Okay, this, I will give her the this also just say she sent this in in January. Sorry, I'm a little I'm catching up on all of your amazing wins to share this. So keep sending him in. Don't worry, just because it will be a few months down the road, you'll need the reminder. So Amie Schantz says, I un-holidayed my house and squeezed in some alone Pilates while my favorite instructor was on vacation. Well, way to go to get your own Pilates in. Your own session just because they're gone, I'm so proud of you. Way to do it. You know, people always like, oh, my trainers, I can't do anything. There's weeks from your trainers out, my trainers out, I'm out like, come on. You gotta, just gotta do what you can. I love that. What an inspiration you are, Amie. Vickie Saner Logan. This is my aunt. She wrote a couple of my wins this week was when Jim surprised us at the one world of wonder museum on Wednesday, and he's had off this weekend to watch the divisional playoffs with me. See, those are wins. You know, we're like, Oh, my God, it's not a win until, like, I've achieved everything that I like set out to do. That's impossible. Come on. Gotta celebrate in the in between times. Okay? You really, really do. So and little things can be wins, not getting angry when you normally would, like, those are wins, right? So here's what my win is. I've been on a mission. You've heard me talk about it like, I'm like, oh my like, somewhere in the middle of this podcast, I was told I have ADHD and y'all like, but I didn't know. I just, I literally told the psychiatrist today. I said I just thought I was an Aquarius. I like, I don't know. I thought all Aquarians are weirdos. So I just thought the reason I was different from everybody is the weird Aquarius. I didn't know that I am also an Aquarius with ADHD. Like true, like crazy. So I'm really my win is that I didn't just let the internet diagnose me with ADHD. I went and got the proper diagnosis and I asked for help. You know, I was like, I I'm gonna tell you right now, I've done I have lots of systems. I'm really smart. I'm sure I need therapy, and that's not your job. But until I can figure out what's the ADHD and what's not, I just, I can't take it on another system, because I'm at the end, right? And I just share that with you, because a lot of people, it doesn't have to be ADHD, it can be a lot of things. So you could be at the like perimenopause. It could be health thing, a frustration. You've tried all the things. Got to advocate for yourself, and it takes time. You're hearing this in April. My appointment was in February. We made it in October. We made it in October, between my schedule and their schedule and everything, like, it was just really hard. And I just want to say, like, just keep going. And then when you get there, if they give you advice that, like, you've already tried, it's okay to say, you know, I'm not trying to be an obstacle. I've already tried that, and I'm just here for these are the things I've tried. This is what I need help with. And so, you know, tomorrow will be a new day. We'll see how I feel with with support, but like, I just want to share that with you. I think a win can be advocating for yourself and getting the help you need. It was for me, so great. Lesley Logan 8:12  Now your mantra for the week. I am worthy of love and care for myself. I am worthy of love and care for myself. I am worthy of love and care for myself. You are and if you didn't catch it in the February episodes, we did a whole week on self love. It actually released the week of Valentine's Day. So go listen. If you are like, I'm worthy, but I don't know what that is, go listen to those episodes. I promise you they're good. All right, loves. Share those self-love episodes with a friend who needs to hear it and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:47  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Are you attracting the right people or stuck in a cycle of people-pleasing? In this candid recap, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell dig into the highlights from the recent interview with Barb Betts, a powerhouse keynote speaker and author of The Relationship Advantage. With over 20 years of expertise, Barb's insights on choosing genuine connections over surface-level relationships will transform your perspective on your own identity. This episode explores the provocative idea that authenticity isn't about "doing" something new, but rather "undoing" the layers that aren't actually you.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Building a relationship with yourself before connecting with others. Stop people-pleasing by undoing everything that is not you.Replace envy with curiosity to escape the comparison trap. Apply visibility, vulnerability, and relatability to build real trust. Release relationships that require you to show up inauthentically. Episode References/Links:Pilates On Tour® (London, UK) - xxll.co/pot      OPC Spring Training (Virtual Event) - opc.me/events   eLevate Mentorship Program - lesleylogan.co/elevate   Submit your questions or wins - beitpod.com/questionsBarb Betts Website - https://www.barbbetts.comThe Relationship Advantage by Barb Betts - https://therelationshipadvantagebook.comGetting the Love You Want by Harville Hendrix Ph.D. - https://a.co/d/0dGm43Y3 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  If you're not clear on who you are, you actually fill in these gaps you people, please, and then you're wondering, like, why you have relationships that, like, don't represent you, or don't feel right or don't fit, it's because you didn't know who you were, and you you brought that on yourself. Lesley Logan 0:14  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:56  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the candid convo I had with Barb Betts in the last episode. If you haven't listened to that one, you didn't hear it, and you're not gonna understand what we're talking about, but.  Brad Crowell 1:09  Well that's true. If they didn't listen to it, then they didn't hear it. Lesley Logan 1:11  Well, we're thrilled you're here. So if this you might, this might be the first, Be It hot episode.Brad Crowell 1:17  We're so happy that you're here. Lesley Logan 1:18  You know, it's taken 665 episodes. We didn't realize maybe this is the first one, and that's why you didn't listen to it. And I shouldn't say you fucking missed out, because, like, you're new. How would you know? So welcome. This is not what my voice normally sounds like. It doesn't normally sound like I'm on the brink of a sneeze, but I have a sinus stitch, and here we are. We are gonna while you're listening to this, we are in Europe, and we have to record these things early, and so we can't wait any longer. This is how it's gonna be. So stick around.Brad Crowell 1:46  That's true. Lesley Logan 1:46  It does get better than this. It's basically just it sounds less Lesley. Today is April 9th, and it's National Unicorn Day. Brad Crowell 1:53  That's right.Lesley Logan 1:54  You're fucking welcome.Brad Crowell 1:54  You are very welcome. National Unicorn Day.Lesley Logan 1:57  There are other days that we can celebrate. But, I mean, come on, hello. National Unicorn Day is a day to celebrate the most popular mythical creature ever. Why? Because if we don't take time to celebrate a beautiful horn, rainbow, printed mythical creature, then we're most definitely missing a trick. I don't think it's trick. You've been missing out. Brad Crowell 2:17  You're missing out.Lesley Logan 2:17  You're missing out. It's missing out. The unicorn is a symbol of happiness, fantasy and wonder. It's an icon of color, of childlike splendor and magic. They often make appearances on birthday cakes and children's clothing. And let's be honest, quite a lot of US adults still dig them, too. I mean, hello, my Lisa Frank people. My Lisa Frank people, I love you probably have as a tattoo, because adults need stickers too. National Unicorn Day is your chance to express some unicorn love. So show some color and delve into the magnificence of unicorns with us.Brad Crowell 2:47  No, we're saying that word one more time.Lesley Logan 2:50  Show some color and delve into the magnificence. Brad Crowell 2:54  That is the word. Take three. Yes, you did two times. Lesley Logan 3:05  Keep sake. Alright. Oh my gosh I wish you guys knew what I'm happy about. Anyways, leave it in. Delve into the magnificence. You guys, I have a bright yellow box, kind of like a pizza box size that my dad gave me a gift in and on my 41st birthday, maybe was my 40th birthday, probably, probably my 41st anyway, in front of everybody before I had ordered a drink. I just want to put that there. There's, we're at a bar, but I have not had a drink. So it's, we can't blame anything. We cannot blame it on anything. Lesley Logan 3:49  My dad hands me this gift, and it has words on the front, and Brad goes, What does it say? And I said, it says, Keep sake. And Brad is looking at upside down.Brad Crowell 3:57  I was upside down, and I was like, Is that what it says? And I read it. And I was like, try again.Lesley Logan 4:03  I said, keep sake.Brad Crowell 4:05  Like, hello, I'm reading it. Lesley Logan 4:07  I'm reading it. Brad Crowell 4:08  Keep sake.Lesley Logan 4:09  And he's like, you want to try that one more time? And I'm like, it says, keep sake. And it's Brad said, what does it say babe?Brad Crowell 4:16  Definitely says keepsake. Lesley Logan 4:17  Keepsake. Brad Crowell 4:18  Yeah, but we'll go with keep sake.Lesley Logan 4:19  Now, anyone who was there understands how hilarious it was and signs off all text messages to me. Keep sake. I want to frame it so bad. I just don't know that I got to do it anyways. Keep sake. Lesley Logan 4:33  All right, you guys. We're on vacation right now, so I don't know why you're not, but we are. We are somewhere in France, but we're going to see you very soon. If you are in London at POT check out.Brad Crowell 4:43  Yeah we're celebrating our 10th year anniversary, actually.Lesley Logan 4:45  Yes, we are. Brad Crowell 4:46  Decided to take some time off. Lesley Logan 4:47  It's actually the exact dates that we did our honeymoon 10 years ago. So, it is. We did it in March.Brad Crowell 4:54  Of 2016, holy cow.Lesley Logan 4:56  You didn't know I that's why I said it's our second honeymoon. Because it's the same time.Brad Crowell 5:00  You're totally right. It's 10 years after the first honeymoon. Lesley Logan 5:03  I know. Brad Crowell 5:03  Wow, amazing. I didn't even put that together. Incredible. Well, we are going to be in London next week. Or actually, hold on, today is the ninth so in like two or three days, we're gonna be at POT.Lesley Logan 5:12  No, we're literally on a train from Paris to London in this moment.Brad Crowell 5:16  Yes, in this exact moment, we are traveling underwater.Lesley Logan 5:20  That's what they say. So if you want to see us, if there's any tickets left, you want to go to.Lesley Logan 5:24  xxll.co/potLesley Logan 5:26  And it's just in case you're wondering, it's xx not excess, the letters. Brad Crowell 5:33  Yes, as in kiss, kiss, hug, hug, xx and LL, because we thought that was cute. Okay, after that, we're heading back home. We're going to be back in Vegas for spring training. Spring Training is with onlinepilatesclasses.com we love to call it OPC and we do an annual event. Yeah, you know me, we do an annual, annual event. This is called Spring Training. And this year it's all about getting upside down.Lesley Logan 5:57  Yeah. OPC members, it's free for you.Brad Crowell 6:00  Free for OPC members.Lesley Logan 6:01  If you're not an OPC member, you are missing out. I'm just telling you. It really is for Pilates lovers. It really is one of the best things you could subscribe to, because you can do it in addition to your other things, like it doesn't have to be your only thing, but we actually give feedback on your form, like for exercise you're struggling with. We have a really amazing community that answers lots of questions. We can support you on the equipment choices, all that good stuff, and we help hold you a candle to your Pilates practice. And we do this fun event. It's free if you're a member, and it's not free if you're not a member, so then you have to pay for it if you're not a member, so you're gonna go to opc.me/events. To get on the waitlist for that. Actually, probably right now you can sign up for it. And I don't know how much it is on this date, but it's available for you to register for. If you go to opc.me/events it should direct you to where that is.Brad Crowell 6:46  Yes, opc.me/eventsLesley Logan 6:49  And then at the time I'm recording this, there's five spots left in my mentorship program. Just five. It could be gone by now. I have no idea. Unless you want to go to lesleylogan.co/elevate if it's sold out, I'll say so on the website. And if it's not sold out, you can apply to be in the mentorship program. Once I've accepted all the applications and they have accepted their spots, it's you have to work on 2028. Oh, geez, that's far okay. Brad Crowell 7:16  Oh, don't sit on it. Lesley Logan 7:17  Oh, my God, do not. I don't wait that long to work with you. It's way too much fun.Brad Crowell 7:21  Yeah, right. Well, before we dig into this amazing conversation that you had with Barb Betts, we have a question. Today's question is from @marthanovera on YouTube, and she was commenting on the Teaching the Hundred to Beginners video. She said, Hey, amazing tips. Quick q, when preparing for roll ups, when you say you don't like arms holding behind the knees, would it be helpful to have the client let go and reach the arms forward as they curl to their lowest point? Would it be a useful prep for an actual roll up?Lesley Logan 7:55  Trying to picture what you're saying. Sorry, it's not you, Martha, it's it's my sinus medicine. Brad Crowell 8:01  Okay, so. Lesley Logan 8:02  I understand. Brad Crowell 8:03  You do understand. Lesley Logan 8:04  You're preparing for roll ups and I don't like when people hold behind the knees because they just use their arms, which is why I don't like it. I but I understand why a half roll up exists. I have it in my flash cards. I actually have information on how to best teach it. And if they're holding behind their thighs, like close to their knees, just wanna make sure that they're not using their arms to do it. But of course, they might need but, of course, they might need to. But is it helpful for them to reach forward as they curl their lowest point like so they let go? It could be, it might be extra to be honest. Here's the problem. People make Pilates too complicated. What I mean is like, okay, curl forward. Okay. Now, right there. Stop. Reach your arms forward and keep going.Brad Crowell 8:41  I think people like, whip up. They like, you know, to get up into that roll up. That's what I did at first, for sure.Lesley Logan 8:48  All right, so what I would say, Martha is, if they're not ready for the roll up, maybe we need to do other things. Maybe they need to do some pre Pilates work.Brad Crowell 8:56  Yeah, I was gonna say everybody's favorite elbow slip will really help with the roll up.Lesley Logan 9:00  That might even be too hard. Maybe they actually get. Brad Crowell 9:02  It's really hard. Lesley Logan 9:03  Honestly, look, if they don't have access to a Cadillac, that would be a bummer, because where I'm thinking they need to go is the half roll up with the roll back bar. Actually need to use the springs that help them go down and up, versus just working on themselves. I would also say stomach massage on the Reformer would be really great. I would say push down on the Wunda Chair can be really helpful. And if they don't have access to any of that equipment, Martha, then I would put them on the wall, and I'd practice the roll up at the wall. Clearly, something is tight and something is weak. So instead of trying to modify the roll up again and again until it's almost nothing, like the roll up, which is basically like borrowing cash off a credit card, which is the highest interest rate, makes it really hard to pay back whenever you use too much modifications. Are they ever going to be able to do the actual exercise? Ever, right? It's gonna take years, it's gonna take months. So I would say, put them at the wall and work on the roll down, up and down the wall. So they go put their back and then work on exercise that would stretch the front of their thighs and strengthen the back of their legs and then add the exercise back in. It's perfectly fine for them to skip it, get better at it. And I know that that sounds terrible. Sometimes people like I'm just trying to make Pilates accessible. I'm not saying don't make it accessible. What I'm saying is.Brad Crowell 10:14  Yeah, but there are building blocks here, and maybe you haven't built the foundation necessary to be able to do the roll up without either cheating or hurting someone, right, so.Lesley Logan 10:22  Correct and here's the other thing, you remember how. Brad Crowell 10:24  Not that you're hurting them, but they could hurt themselves. Lesley Logan 10:26  Training wheels work. They like, don't actually touch the ground. It's like, if you lean to one side, a training wheel touches the ground, right, catches you. Then I saw someone's training wheels that like, touch the ground, having training wheels that touch the ground on both sides. That kid is never riding a bicycle, ever. It's never gonna happen. So you have to actually make sure that you're not putting a tripod on a bike, versus actually something that will help them test the waters. Brad Crowell 10:51  It's a great visual. Lesley Logan 10:52  Thanks. I just came up with it. Now, how did I not think about that genius example? But another thing I'll just say is, like, not every exercise is for everybody at that time, and we have to understand that, like our job as the teachers who are teaching people is to make sure that we understand, by looking at a body what they're ready for, and then prepare them for what they're ready for. And for the clients, it is understanding that if you can't do an exercise yet, it doesn't mean there's something wrong with you. It means that we actually have to find the connections to help you get there. And for whatever reason, this is completely normal at a gym. Like, no one would go, Oh, my God, I can't bench press. You've got to make this bar lighter. Rogue should make a lighter bar. No, they're like, here are some lighter dumbbells. Here is another way you could do push ups at the wall. There's like, all these different things. You take bands and you build up your flexibility and your abilities.Brad Crowell 11:47  It's like doing pull ups, right? Like, the same thing. This is a great these are great parallels.Lesley Logan 11:50  For whatever reason, at a gym, people are understanding that they have to build up their strength to do something. But in Pilates or even in yoga, I would argue, people are like, you should make the exercise possible, no.Brad Crowell 12:00  I mean, even when you are like, I can like, even when you're like, I got this, I can do a squat with 175 pounds. You don't, your first squat is not 175 pounds. You build up your bar to get to 175 pounds, even if you know you can already do it.Lesley Logan 12:15  Today, I Dave, I back squatted 120 pounds today. Brad Crowell 12:18  Did you just call me Dave? Lesley Logan 12:20  Babe. Brad Crowell 12:20  Oh, babe. Lesley Logan 12:21  What's this with the sinus infection sounds like Dave, but it's babe. Hey, babe. Hey, Dave, I back squat 120 pounds, which you know how much I started with? Brad Crowell 12:29  Tell me. Lesley Logan 12:29  65 pounds. Did three reps then I added 20 more pounds, 85 pounds, then I got to 105 and did six reps. Now I started my rounds, and I went to 110 then 115 120 why? Because you have to get your brain connected to it. And I just, I just want to say, like, for whatever reason, people like, oh, I have to make Pilates accessible to everybody. No, you have to make everybody ready for the exercise you're gonna give them. That is your job. If you're a teacher, that's your job. If you're a teacher, and if you're not doing that, then you're not helping people. You're just putting a tripod on their bike and going see you did it. You did Pilates. That, to me, is almost lying to them. Anyways. Now I'm on a ped, I'm on a fucking like.Brad Crowell 13:06  Now you're on your own tripod. Lesley Logan 13:08  No, what do you call those things? I'm on a pedestal. I'm not pointing fingers at people, Martha, I just want to say also. Brad Crowell 13:14  Your soapbox, you mean. Lesley Logan 13:15  My soapbox. That's what I'm on. Telling you guys the day will hit. Martha, I appreciate this question. I know it comes from a place of love and wanting your clients to get it, and I love that you're trying to be creative, and so I hope I'm not. I hope you don't feel like I'm like, attacking you. I just, I want to give you different perspective of how to think about readying your clients, and I hope that gives you some.Brad Crowell 13:34  I like it. I like it. Well, that's a great question. Martha, thanks for writing that in and feel free to keep writing in questions. If you have a question, text it to us at 310-905-5534. We also love to celebrate wins. If you haven't, if it is your first episode tomorrow will be Fuck Yeah Friday, and that's gonna be amazing, so.Lesley Logan 13:52  One of, one of, one of the people who sent a win in, they're like, I don't know if it's qualifies. They're in one of our they're like, an eLevate grad and like, I know if it qualifies as a win, but I heard my win on the FYFs today that I sent in, and it's been months since I've had that win, and being able to hear it and recelebrate that is another win.Brad Crowell 14:12  Well, if you have either a win or a question, you can also send it in at beitpod.com/questions be it pod.com/questions and we can't wait to celebrate yours, so stick around. We will be right back. We're going to talk about Barb Betts. Brad Crowell 14:28  Barb Betts is a keynote speaker, author and recovering real estate broker who turned an accidental speaking career into a full time role as a thought leader with over 20 years of experience, she helps professionals understand how relationships drive leadership, sales and long term success. She's the author of the relationship advantage, and is known for her practical, trust-centered approach to relationships, and I think her book has just come out. So we're really Barb. We've known Barb now for like, five or six years, and yeah, this is really exciting for her. So we're fired up.Lesley Logan 14:59  She's kicking ass.Brad Crowell 15:00  Yeah, fantastic. So one thing, oh, actually.Lesley Logan 15:02  It's my turn. Brad Crowell 15:03  It's your turn. Lesley Logan 15:04  I start. I always start. It's my turn. Brad Crowell 15:06  It's your turn. Lesley Logan 15:06  Yeah. She said, I love this so much. She said, to have a real relationship with anyone else, you first have to have relationship with yourself. You guys, this is like. Brad Crowell 15:14  This is like, this is like, mic drop moment, boom.Lesley Logan 15:17  Y'all. This is, like, every time I have people in my life who complain about the people who are dating, gonna go, there's something wrong with you, because you, if you keep attracting people, like one of our friends today, I'm excited for them, but like, I saw online that they're just talking about, like, this is the third person that's ghosted me, and it's like, why do you people three people in a row ghost you like what are you putting out in the world? Because one person goes to okay, that like lightning strikes once in a while, but like, three there's something going on there. So she mentioned that relationships are a mirror of yourself, you're only capable of building a relationship with someone else to the capacity you have one with yourself. So she also argued the biggest problem we have in life is we're trying to build relationships with others, and we don't even know who we are. So we show up to these relationships. Inevitably, we people please and present an inauthentic version of ourselves. And I have a series coming up on I think it's listening to your inner self. And I brought up a book called Getting the Love You Want. And I also just want to say, I have no idea if it ages well. I have no idea if that person's like a real marriage counselor. But there's this thing about in the book that talks about how when you get into a new relationship with anybody.Brad Crowell 16:28  Harville Hendrix. Lesley Logan 16:30  You, you fill in all of your holes, so to speak, you fill them in, but you think that the other person you're with fill them in, and then in a few months, when you're exhausted and tired, you don't fill them in anymore. And then you're like, you've changed. And it's like, actually, you changed because you were filling those things and you were presenting an inauthentic version of yourself. And so I just think that, like, what if you are someone who's wanting new friendships, new relationships, better clients, you know, Barb's big thing is that, like, if you have really great relationships, you can have great longevity in your business and things like that. But if you don't know who you are, you're not going to be attracting people that you want in your life, whether they're clients, friends, a romantic partner, any of that kind of stuff. You gotta know who yourself is.Brad Crowell 17:07  Harville Hendrix is a doctor. Lesley Logan 17:09  Okay, great. Brad Crowell 17:10  So they have a PhD. I have no idea in what, but it's Dr Hendrix. So yes. Lesley Logan 17:15  Yeah, I remember it being great. I also only read the first chapter. I kind of got the point. Do you ever do that you're like. Brad Crowell 17:29  I'm like, okay, got this chapter, I see where, yeah, this is like, ADHD. Am I finishing your sentences? How about I finish your book in the first, I'm like, got it.Lesley Logan 17:39  But, but I will just say, like, I appreciate that thought. And it comes to this, it's like, if you're not clear on who you are, you actually fill in these gaps, you people please. And then you're wondering, like, why you have relationships that, like, don't represent you, or don't feel right, or don't fit, it's because you didn't know who you were, and you you brought that on yourself.Brad Crowell 17:57  Yeah. Well, I got really into when she was kind of dissing the word authenticity, yeah, even though the irony is, she wants people to be authentic, and she also she acknowledged that, and she said that, but she said her big beef with it is the word authenticity is like so overused, and it's also under explored. And she said she critiques the common self-help mantra of just be yourself, you know? And she argues that to be is a verb, that the verb to be is inherently performative, right? Comparing it to deciding what to be for Halloween or when you grow up, right? So if we are going to, like, I think the Halloween parallel is perfect, like, I am going to be Iron Man for Halloween, and you're like, putting on a costume to be Iron Man for the night, but then we're also told to be authentic. And we're like, okay, I gotta, like, be authentic in this moment coming up right now, but like, in my real life, am I actually authentic, or am I putting on the costume of authenticity for this thing? I'm gonna go do whatever, right? And so I think that that was, like, that was really intriguing to me, because she said, that's, I think, how most people are thinking about it, like, okay, I got to put on my two my authenticity hat. Now, you know, she said, authenticity is not about doing anything. Authenticity is about undoing everything that is not you. Lesley Logan 19:16  I love that, and I think that that makes it a lot easier.Brad Crowell 19:18  Another mic drop moment, like, I seriously, there was some, like, really deep stuff in this episode with Barb, and she was just casually throwing out these, like, epic topics. I was like, whoa. Let's dig into that more. She started talking about comparison, and she said, comparison is actually the thief of authenticity. When you're comparing, you are now all of a sudden, adding things into your life that are not you. But if authenticity is about undoing everything that isn't you, then comparison is really the number one trap. But if you compare yourself to someone else for different reasons, you're running a race, you cannot win. She advised that to we need to reframe comparison by replacing envy with curiosity, right, which I love. Wow. Look at them. How are they doing what they're doing? Yeah, you know, rather than feeling defeated by someone else's success, we should view them as showing us that there's a path that's possible, or maybe even literally showing us the path. Oh, I could do that too, right? You know, and how you could achieve it your own way. So I just thought it was powerful. Really, really concisely well said. Lesley Logan 20:19  I mean, we've been listening to Barb talk about building great relationships for a really long time and so does that see her be able to put in a concise book that anyone because she does this on speaking. But when are you gonna go see or speak you'd have to be at one of those speaking places, right? And like, this is something anyone can use. And I think, like, I love the word authenticity, like it's a value that we have at our company, a value that I think is really important, but I agree with her, I is overused and under explored. It's kind of like the word Pilates. Gonna be really honest, it's very similar, like, I do Pilates, but most of the time, people tell me that I'm like, oh, and then I'm like, where do you do it? And they're like, I do it over this place. And I'm like, those aren't even reformers. Why is the room hot? What are we doing? Oh, and you're and your shoulders hurt later, you're not doing Pilates. But I don't want to be the person who tells them that, like, like, that's just an annoying thing. So I kind of feel like I understand, and I love Pilates, and I love being authentic. So I feel it's a predicament. I'm in a I'm in a conundrum.Brad Crowell 21:20  Conundrum. Yeah, it's something we have to remove. All right. Well, anyway, we will be right back. We're going to dig into some Be It Action Items that you covered with Barb Betts, stick around. Brad Crowell 21:30  All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Barb Betts. She said there are three things that have to be present to have a real relationship with others and even with yourself. She calls it the VVR formula, visibility, vulnerability and relatability. VVR. So visibility, are you actually showing up and being present? Visibility, are you actually showing up and being present. She links this to a really interesting law called propinquity, which I have never looked up and thought that was interesting. She said that the greater proximity increases the chance of a relationship. So if you're not in the room, you can't have a relationship.Lesley Logan 22:15  Oh, that's kind of like how Hinge, the dating app, used to start. It was based on if someone had ever been in a location that you've been to? That's how Chris and Laura got together. They both went to some area in Century City Mall, crazy. She shopped there, and his office was down there. And so they're like, you two are near each other some of the time. Brad Crowell 22:33  Love that. Well, yeah. So visibility, obviously. Vulnerability is the second thing. And I thought, again, this was another really powerful thing. And she said, there has to be some level of vulnerability in your life with other human beings. So are you willing to say, I don't know the answer to that? Or text someone and just be like, Hey, I was just thinking about you. I miss you, right? And there's that is being vulnerable. And when you do that, it really does, like let them know that they're special, that they're they care. So you know, by being vulnerable, you're helping connect the dots, and it builds relationships. The third is relatable relatability. You have to have a point of connection or common ground. She believes that this is often something forced, that people are forcing right? I mean, you know, it's like, I think actually people who get in a relationship and they they say things like, Oh, we love the same music and movies and all this kind of stuff, but, like, that's the only things that are a part of it. There's got to be more the vulnerability is, like, super important, you know, and honesty and trust and, of course, all those other things. But relatability is a definitely the beginning. It will help jumpstart all these conversations and all these things, but you know, if you're forcing it, you're not being vulnerable.Lesley Logan 23:52  I mean, that's yeah, that's kind of it. Brad Crowell 23:54  Yeah. She emphasized that if you don't have these three things, then you won't build a relationship.Lesley Logan 23:59  Yeah. I believe that. Brad Crowell 24:00  Yeah, what about you? Big takeaway. Lesley Logan 24:02  Okay, stop hiding. Let your walls down. Let people in. Admit you're not perfect. Admit where you know your vulnerabilities are. Pay attention to how you feel on social media. Pay attention to what you're looking out and how you're comparing yourself to others. I mean, these are great things to like even journal on. They kind of help with what you were talking about before, first of all, if you're listening to this podcast, you're already admitting you're not perfect. You've been listening to us. I sound like a fucking shit right now. I sound like a Bakewell. But I also think, like, when you admit those things, it you don't have to pretend, and you you can just, it doesn't mean you get to like, it's like a bus pass to like, being an asshole, but you can just be like, like, I am not an organized person. I'm not I It's not something I'm going to learn to do. I put things down. I don't put them away. I'm not a dirty person. I'm a messy person, you know. So I that means I have to know that those are my things, and I need people in my life who will put things away or keep things out of my hands so I can't fuck it up, you know. You just have to know these things. And if you do feel like shit when you're watching social media, stop doing it. One of my clients, she just, social media doesn't make her feel good, so she doesn't have any account. She just, she's like, I just, like, I have no idea what's going on, and that's okay, because, like, honestly, like, I don't it wasn't helping. The benefits of being in on, like, whatever is something that is like people are talking about don't outweigh the negatives of how I feel about myself when I watch it. So I think this is really important. And I I understand if you've been hurt before, it's hard to let your walls down, but you waiting for someone to be trustworthy enough to let your walls down. Guess how you do that? You trust them. You have to like, let your wall like the way it works you have to let your walls down first so you can trust them. Let your walls down. That's how it goes. So if people suck, go find new people. I also just want to say, like, I love.Brad Crowell 25:49  Burn those relationships or not relationships, because they're not relationships. Lesley Logan 25:54  No, I think, like, I love how Barb talks about, like, building authentic relationships. I made big fan of just like (inaudible) just don't go like, I'm amazed at how many friends you have from like, different parts of your life, and like. Brad Crowell 26:05  Who, me? Lesley Logan 26:06  Yeah, and I have I, if I saw those people in a place right now, I would not avoid them. I would absolutely go, oh my god, hi from high school, if I to be honest, and no offense even from high school, if I recognized you. I really didn't know who I was in high school, so I don't know, like, who you remember, because probably, but like, I would just say, like, I don't have those but I wouldn't be like, Oh, I don't talk to those people anymore. It's just like, I outgrew those things because I got to know myself more, and it's not a slight to them. It's just like, you keep going. So it's okay to let relationships go, if you have to show up inauthentically to be in them, yes, and I think that that's really important information, you know.Brad Crowell 26:47  I think, I think that's worth saying again, you know, like, and I it's something I struggle with, is letting a relationship go, you know, because, for me, I value relationships really highly. But I love the idea that if you have changed to the point where being in a relationship with a friend or even a family member means you have to be inauthentic to be in that you're allowed to hit pause, you know. So yeah, and it's gonna be healthy for you in the long run, and it is something that we have to protect ourselves, you know? Because, like, think about this. We talk about this all the time. When we let our friends or family, we tell them our dream, and then they shit all over it, and then we take that seriously, you know? And it's like, like, we all know that that has happened, but also too, like, clearly, there's a discord there. Doesn't mean we're firing those friends, but the point is that if we are aware, conscious enough that we should protect our dreams when we're sharing them. You know, in that way, it's also okay as you shift, change and grow. If you have to, like, pretend to be your old self to be in a relationship with someone, maybe you move on.Lesley Logan 27:53  Well, I'll just say, like the other day we were at, not the other day, the other day, but a while back, we were at an event, and I saw some people in person for the first time in six, seven years in our industry, and I used to handle the lot, and there was just a few different times they showed me, kind of like, who they were and how I needed to be in their relationship with them. And they're not bad people by the way. They just their needs and how they want to be and what they want to talk about, are things that are not something I want to do, and how I'd have to be in a conversation with them is not authentic to me. And I went up, I hugged them, I genuinely said, how are you what's going on? And they did vague, this is what's going on, even like they were not vulnerable, no. And what they did say was like. Brad Crowell 28:39  I literally know the conversation you're talking about. Lesley Logan 28:42  They were like, they were like, kind of pumping up whatever it was they were doing in a very like, I'm over here and this is over here. And I was like, yeah, I'm really glad that I'm saying hi, and I'm so glad that over the last six years we haven't been in contact, because, like, who they want me to be in that conversation is not who I am and I have voiced multiple times things that, like, I was like, ooh, I don't really like this, X, Y and Z, yeah. And guess what? So I voiced it. They didn't want to hear it, or they don't care, or they don't see it that way. You have to be a negative. It's just like, it's, we're different. And I think.Brad Crowell 29:15  But this comes back to knowing yourself. So because you know yourself, it allows you to be like, ooh. Lesley Logan 29:20  Yeah. So because of that, so it was great to just have a check in. Like, oh, did I let something go? Was it me? No, actually, we are oil and water and that is okay, and we can exist as balsamic and oil. Sometimes they're great on bread. Sometimes, there's gonna be people who glad that we're both at the exact same event, but I don't have to pour myself into their bowl for the for it to.Brad Crowell 29:45  To finish the metaphor. Yeah, love it. Awesome. Lesley Logan 29:47  All right. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 29:48  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 29:49  You guys are amazing. I just am so grateful for you. Thanks for sticking it out with this voice. I hope that we record in a couple of days better. If it's not, you're gonna keep. Listening anyways, because you love me and we are hopefully really helpful, and so you're gonna leave a review, too, me hypnotizing you leave a review show this with a friend who needs to hear it. Until next time, go Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 30:10  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 30:12  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 30:54  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 30:59  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 31:04  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 31:11  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 31:14  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Lesley Logan 31:27  There's a gnat that is just like. Brad Crowell 31:29  I know I tried to kill him twice on my screen without shaking my camera.Lesley Logan 31:32  Flying around my face. I feel like that dog today. I'm like. Gonna wash my hair after this.Brad Crowell 31:44  Yeah, the more you keep touching it, the more amazing it looks on camera.Lesley Logan 31:53  Yeah, what is happening? Okay, that's pretty good. Nope. Do I look like a unicorn?Brad Crowell 32:09  Yes, you are always a unicorn babe. Okay, ready? Okay, let's talk about Barb. Betts. Barb is a keynote speaker, author and recovering real estate broker who turned and we are on a roll. All right, let's start that over. Brad Crowell 32:38  She said there are three things that you have to have to be present. Sorry. She said there are three things that you have to be present to have. This is fucked up. There are three things that have to be oh, that not you. It's just have to be present. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Authenticity isn't about doing more; it's about undoing everything that isn't actually you. In this high-impact episode, Lesley Logan sits down with author and keynote speaker Barb Betts to unpack one of the most overused buzzwords in personal growth. From getting pregnant at 17 to building a speaking career rooted in real connection, Barb shares how her hair loss journey helped her stop hiding and start showing up fully. Instead of trying to be more, start shedding the layers of protection that stall your growth. This conversation flips the script on self-doubt, turning it into a green light for the next best version of you. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Authenticity as an undoing process of performance and protection.How your relationship with yourself impacts your ability to connect with others.Reframing comparison with curiosity to overcome social media envy.Overcoming imposter syndrome by embracing self-doubt as a growth signal.The VVR formula using visibility vulnerability and relatability to connect.Episode References/Links:Barb Betts Website - https://www.barbbetts.comBarb Betts LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/barbbettsBarb Betts Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/barbbettsThe Relationship Advantage by Barb Betts - https://therelationshipadvantagebook.comYou're Wrong About Podcast - https://beitpod.com/yourewrongboutGuest Bio:Barb Betts is a sought-after keynote speaker, CEO and relentless advocate for building businesses rooted in relationships. With over 20 years of experience, she blends authenticity and strategy to help professionals create lasting success while staying true to themselves. Known for her high-energy, transformative presentations, Barb has inspired audiences at events like LVMH, Thelios, Fidelity National, Inman Connect, and the NAR Annual Conference. As an entrepreneur and CEO, Barb equips leaders and business owners with the systems and strategies to leverage relationships for growth and success. Through her award-winning podcast, Relationships are Your Superpower®, she shows how trust-based connections lead to more referrals, loyal clients, and sustainable business models.Outside of her work, Barb enjoys life in Southern California with her husband and two children, and can in her spare time, loves to travel, spend time with friends and family, and has never met a steakhouse she doesn't like!  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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When I chose to go through my hair loss journey, take my hair off on social media and show everybody my basically bald front of my head. I upleveled my relationships big time in ways I never could have imagined, because it turns out people want authenticity, they want humanity and it gives others permission to do the same with you, and that's how you create a real relationship. Lesley Logan 0:43  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 1:26  All right, Be It babe, we're gonna talk about relationships, not like the romantic kind, but like relationships with our self. You've heard many Be It Pods be about get to know yourself. And so we're gonna talk about that in a deep, wonderful, tangible way. I actually think it's really great for all of us. I got, I have already have five things. I'm like, oh, I want to review that. Oh, I like that. Oh, I highlight that. Oh, that. I'm so glad I already do that, and now I know why I love it so much. So Barb Betts is our guest today. She's an author speaker and epic human you're gonna hear all about her, and I'm gonna let her tell you, because she's the best at it. So here's Barb Betts. Lesley Logan 2:00  All right, Be It babe, this is gonna be fun, because I've known this woman for a few years now and been following her journey. And there's so many ways this conversation could go, because you are one of the most multifaceted humans I do know, but you are an expert at several things, and I wanted to bring you on to just wow our people in being it till you see it. So, Barb Betts, tell everyone who you are and what you rock at. Barb Betts 2:21  Oh, Lesley Logan, it has been just so, you know, four years we've known each other. Lesley Logan 2:26  That's crazy. It went by so fast. That would be faster than high school. Barb Betts 2:31  I know that's funny. We were both part of a community that we met each other in, and I met you probably at one of my first events. So it has to be four years. So anyway, so my name is Bart Betts. I am from Southern California. I am a recovering real estate agent and broker who built a accidental speaking career while I was selling real estate, and that has transpired into me essentially stepping away from the industry. My husband now runs our sales team, and I now get to pursue my passion of being a thought leader in the world, of helping people build authentic, trust-based relationships with themselves and with others. Lesley Logan 3:08  Which is what the world needs. Because I can't tell you how many inauthentic relationship-building like things are trying to come through my DMs. Barb Betts 3:16  Oh yes girl oh yes. Lesley Logan 3:18  I appreciate when people like, Oh, I forgot. We should talk. I think we have a lot in common. It's like, I don't know who you are, though. This scares me. You don't know how much you're scaring me right now. Barb Betts 3:29  Correct. I cannot tell you how much I connect with that and how much it frustrates me. And I always tell people just continue to be cold in the DMS, and all you're going to get from me is I remove connection or block. So if that's how you want our relationship to go, then try it, because it works with me. Lesley Logan 3:44  I know, I well, I used to tell people, and maybe we've talked about this before, but like, when I'm still I still tell people this, but when I first started business coaching for Pilate instructors, I was like, your business is with clients, is like dating. You would freak out if a guy at a bar, and I'm sorry this is gonna be more heterosexual, because that's the experience I have at a bar. A guy at a bar comes at you and tries to make out with you. But every time you come up, people with come take my class, buy my package, you are trying to make out with a stranger at a bar. You have to, you have to tell me my sweater looks nice. Flatter me a little bit. Barb Betts 4:18  100% Lesley Logan 4:19  Well, we're kind of skipping ahead. So okay, you actually, I love that you're a recovering real estate broker. I don't think we've ever had one of those before. But how did you get into this? Like, what was the journey? How did you discover that you were a thought leader here? Because it's not like, I mean, maybe you've always known you were when we were born that way, and, like, someone goes Barb Betts, you are the thought leader on this, but, I don't know. Barb Betts 4:40  Kind of, what's crazy about this is so when I was like, as long as I can remember, I always wanted to be a teacher. I would play school in my room, and my favorite place to go to get prizes or rewards was teacher supply store. Lesley Logan 4:56  Oh, my God, I do love teacher supply, yes, that is the best store. Barb Betts 4:59  So I would get grade books and seating charts, and I would put the mean people with the mean people because I didn't like them, and I'd give them bad grades, and I'd give the Lesleys of the world that I loved. I'd give them the good grades, and I would line up on my camera, scratch kid dolls, and I would teach them school. So I've always had the heart of a teacher. Frankly, I wanted to be a teacher my whole life. I would have been 100% a teacher, I'd probably be a principal right now, if it wasn't for the fact that I got pregnant at 17 years old. I talk about it very openly that that derailed my college opportunities. And back then, in the late 90s, there was no Zoom, there was no online classes, there wasn't any of that. And so how I ended up in real estate is a story that it would be boring to tell ended up in real estate. Got good at it. Was doing everything by relationship. And about 2011 I was in an office where everyone was taking note that my husband and I weren't doing door knocking and bus benches and grocery carts and all the other things that realtors are taught to do. And so they were like, Hey, can you teach us what you're doing? I was like, Sure. So I did a class, and I'll never forget, a woman in her 70s came up to me, she looked me dead in the eye, kind of rudely said, you should never go on a listing appointment another day in your life. You should do this for the rest of your life. And I didn't think much of it then, but it has stuck in the back of my head. And so from there, Lesley, it just snowballed. I just kept doing more classes and more classes that led to stages, that led to bigger stages, and that led to me truly not believing but understanding and feeling the itch and the need that I do have thoughts, I do have ideas that can help people. I have a gift on stage, which not everybody does, and I need to pour into that, lean into that and move into this new next chapter of my life. Lesley Logan 6:44  Wow. First of all, thank you for taking us on the journey of how when that was because I think some people would go, Oh, look at Barb Betts. It happened in like, three the four years that they've known each other, you know, like, like the year before they met, she figured this out, she taught a couple things, and now she's a paid speaker. Like, everything starts back with and I have a similar story where somebody told me, like, they asked me a question, how are you doing what you're doing? Because whatever you're doing is different than the that the norm is doing. And you all like, for me, I love that your reaction is, like, kind of rudely. I remember thinking I was in trouble. Which is clearly an insight to the psychology of an oldest daughter. But like, I thought I was in trouble. Like, like, they're like, the way they asked, How are you doing this did not seem like they were excited about what I was doing. I had to sit there for a second realize, oh, they actually just want to know. I'm not in trouble. Barb Betts 7:31  They're actually curious. Yeah, they're not, they're not putting you down, yeah. Lesley Logan 7:35  Yeah. So then so and I say, I highlight that, because for everyone listening like there are things that you are so good at, but because it's normal for you, you don't see it as the strength right away someone has to tell you, and sometimes we're not listening to them, or we think we're in trouble, we're avoiding that information because it's scary. It would be like, I don't know. Like, owning that means changing what, how you do, what you do. Like, it's like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go in this lane now that'd be really scary. Barb Betts 7:58  It was. It was really scary. And, you know, frankly, how it all happened. It was about four years ago when we met, is when I made the decision that my husband and I have ran this great real estate company for so long, but real estate's getting real scary. And I, if you don't know anything about real estate, you know, we just went through these huge lawsuits and all this other stuff, and I was kind of at the table for a lot of those conversations, and I knew how bad things really were, and I knew how much our industry was going to change. And I kind of thought to myself two things. One, I'm not fulfilled anymore. Just, I hate to say just, going on listing appointments, working with buyers, it just doesn't fulfill me the same way it used to. And then the second piece to that was, I am concerned that all of our income is in one basket, and if the bottom falls out of the real estate industry again, then we're screwed. And so how do I diversify my income and follow my passion? And so it was scary, because I was and then what were my clients going to think, and was my husband still going to have enough business? And I was the one that started our real estate you know, I was 23 years he's 19, but I was the face of the company, the face of the team. So like, will he still generate enough business without me helping him? All those things were super scary. Well, it turns out, fast forward, he's a better realtor than I ever was, and although he is completely different than me, he still gets the same thing accomplished. So it all worked out, and I'm doing what I love, and he's crushing, you know, his side of the world. And I still help in the real estate business. I still run our team and train and teach and all that kind of stuff, but my day to day, full time role is putting good thoughts and ideas out into the world and inspiring others from stage.Lesley Logan 9:34  So let's talk about those good thoughts and ideas because, and we kind of alluded to at the very beginning, we were talking about these DMs. You talk about authentic, like building authentic relationships and at the time I'm recording this you guys, which is, you know, a little bit before this comes out, I ran, I was at a real estate event. That's not a real estate event. It was a tequila tasting event, which, like, hello, I'm tequila. I'm in. I have liked, I want to do tequila sommelier. That is my next dream. If you if I disappear from this earth, I'm probably learning tequila you guys. So just know that. So I'm at this tequila event, and it's basically the way that he builds relationships, friendships, connects with people, and that's he's like, I don't do any of the things. This is how I do it. I had no idea what he does actually like until the day. But at any rate, I ran into a friend who I've known since, like, 15 years ago in LA, she and I both moved to Vegas, didn't know it, because, like, where we used to cross paths had changed, so I got to have, like, a sit down coffee date with her, and we're talking about how hard it is as an adult to build good friendships, great friendships. And I don't have children, so I don't even have the excuse of running into parents I may or may not, like, like, I have to just, like, look around a coffee shop and wonder, like, is that a future person for me, but in, everyone who's listening here, most every business requires good, authentic relationships, most hobbies, most like, fulfillments in life doesn't matter. So we can go business or personal, but like, everything kind of, I think, plays into the same thing. The authentic relationships are what make this world go round. How do we do that? Barb Betts 11:06  Yeah, great, great question. So, you know, one of my biggest mantras is in life is to have a real relationship with anyone else, you first have to have a relationship with yourself. I think the biggest problem we have in life is we're trying to build relationships with others, and we don't even know who we are. And so when we show up to these relationships, when we show up to these conversations, we're being fake, and we're trying to people-please, and we're trying to make the other person like us by not being who we really are. And when that happens, they're building a relationship with an inauthentic version of you. I like to say something to the effect of relationships are a mirror of yourself. You are only capable of building a relationship with someone else to the capacity you have one with yourself. So like what you see in you is what you will attract in others. And until we clean up the relationship with ourselves, we can't build one with anybody else. Lesley Logan 11:57  Oh, Barb. Barb Betts 12:00  It's the truth. I learned it the hard way. And then when I when I talk about this, I also stand on stage and tell people that this version that you are seeing up here right now, I was not this version five years ago. And so this is not something that I'm telling you. Everyone knows when they're 25 years old, absolutely not. But can 25 year olds learn it a lot sooner than potentially you and I have? Absolutely. I think problem is we have to have the courage to do it. Lesley Logan 12:22  Yeah, because I do think I appreciate you saying that like I think the older we get, the harder it is to kind of unpack the different masks we might have been wearing, some of us wearing because maybe we have a neuro divergence. And so we think we need to have those masks. Some of them are learned because of how we're grown up. And so then you have to unpack that and also recognize how long you've been carrying it. And then you have to get to know yourself. And that's so hard. Every time I hear like, getting to know yourself, I think of runaway bride when Julia Roberts is trying to figure out how she likes her eggs. Like, I think that's the perfect example of like, I don't know, do I like? Barb Betts 12:56  Well, this is so I always tell people I have, like, a big beef with the word authenticity, and yet that's what I speak on. I have a beef with this word because it's the most overused under explained word ever. It was Merriam Webster's word of the year in 2023 yet everyone has a different definition of it. The problem with the word authenticity is people think authenticity means throwing up your life on somebody. And I always say that's called oversharing. That is not authenticity. So one of the things you you said it in a different container a second ago, is, I'm so tired of this mantra of people telling people, and in self-help books and on Instagram posts and everywhere else, just be yourself. Just be authentic. And my question to audiences is, do you even know what that means? Do you even know what it means to be yourself. And the problem I have with the word be is, be is very performative. What do you want to be for Halloween? What do you want to be when you grow up? It's futuristic. It's performative. It's not real. It's not in real time. And so what I teach audiences is, what helped me tremendously, is reframing this conversation around authenticity and giving it not necessarily a new definition, but a new action to get there. And so what I've come up with, what I've used, what I've seen in my own life, is that authenticity isn't about doing anything. Authenticity is about undoing everything that isn't you and you said it right? Layers of performance, layers of protection, the masks we've been wearing, the perfect mom title, the perfect friend title, the perfect Pilates instructor, title all of these titles and things that we've been told we have to be so we try to be them, but we're really not them, or we're not them in the way that someone else wants us to be so how do we start undoing these things that have been holding us back? And for me, personally, it to, you said it, mine started on the playground when I was a little girl. I was overweight, I was not cute. I had coke bottle, thick glasses, I had braces. I had like five strikes in the you're the left out weird kid department. Lesley Logan 15:01  Barb, we and I, we would have been friends. Barb Betts 15:03  I was lonely. I was sat by myself, ate lunch by myself more times than I can count. I was also an old child, so I didn't go home to a bunch of, you know, siblings running around. And so what I always tell people is I became a professional on the playground of fitting in. I became a professional at turning myself into whatever someone else wanted me to be, to be their friend. Problem with that is that eight year old little girl never put those masks down. I kept wearing them my whole adult life. And that's the problem. We don't have enough courage or self-reflection, to sit back and go, you know, is this really how I want to show up in the world? Because you know what it is deep down inside, everybody does. And if someone has to tell you what it is, that's not authenticity, because that's someone else's opinion, right? So. Lesley Logan 15:56  Well, I had perm bangs, just just the bangs part.Barb Betts 16:01  Just the bangs. Lesley Logan 16:02  And and I will say, like, I love that I wore a flower girl dress to school one day. But also, I'm sure that's the day that people are like, well, that's like, you guys a big it's I went to school in the 80s. So this would have been '88, '89 a pink, like pink, big dress with the big bows, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And I know I looked good and I had tennis. I was Punky Brewster before it existed. But for sure, for sure, so I know that's what changed, and now that's why I wear, you know, tool now. Barb Betts 16:40  Oh my gosh, yeah, I I love it. I put a picture up on the screen of me, and I always give the audience a second to realize that is me circa 1986 because they're literally looking at the picture and looking at me like, there's no chance that's her. Because some people are like, Oh, your childhood wasn't that bad. You weren't and then they see a picture and they're like, my my friends, when I show them the picture, I'll just pull it out at dinner, and they pee their pants, and these are friends that have been friends of mine for 20 years, and they're like, no chance that's you. Like, yeah, it is. Lesley Logan 17:13  So I want to, so, okay, we have to do the undoing. We have to, you know, really, truly find what authenticity is within ourselves, and I do. I'm with you, by the way. Okay. Side note, there was a podcast that did the war on dictionaries, and if you it's you're wrong about podcasts, you guys, that came out last year, you have to listen to it, because it's about why Merriam Webster became the dictionary that we all buy. It's so fascinating. I mean, who knew that could be fascinating? This whole book about it, at any rate, because I feel like authenticity is like an umbrella term for, like, vulnerability and all these different things. So you hit all that. So okay, and you mentioned that our relationships are a mirror of ourselves, so they can only go as deep as we can go as deep with ourselves. In the undoing does does that and making really? Does that make it easier to make new friendships? Does that make it hard to let go, because now I feel like you have to let go of other relationships like, and you're a relationship expert. Should we be letting go of people? Barb Betts 18:08  Well, if they truly don't fit who you really are, right? If you truly are not being yourself with them, and then when you are yourself with them, if you're not accepted, not appreciated, not felt loved, then absolutely there are friendships and relationships that I realized I was carrying on to because I thought they were the cool people to be with. And it turns out that they're really not, and they don't love me for who I really am, or my voice or my opinion. So I share it in a simple formula, and we don't have to get deep into each one of them, but I'll just give you the high level of the three things. There's lots of things you can do to start unraveling, but the three things that like changed my life the most that I feel like are the three that most specifically women deal with, men too, but really women, the first is to stop hiding, right? Because I always say, when you hide who you are, you limit who you can become. And I have a whole hair loss journey that you know very well. I wear wigs full time, and that's really what transformed my life is when I was going through this hair loss journey, and about five years ago, I decided to rip the band aid off. I was told my hair is never coming back by a very well-respected hair surgeon, and I decided to transition to human hair wigs, came out publicly on social media about it, changed my life. And that's how I know when you stop hiding behind who you really are, right, you can become who you're really designed to be. The second piece that I always talk about is we have to reframe comparison. I think comparison is the thief of authenticity, and I think it's the number one trap as adults, we get into. Social media, at your job, in your career, right? Some other Pilates owners doing better than me. I hate them. Why can't I be like them? All of the things? So when I say reframe comparison, what I mean is, instead of comparing yourself to someone else, instead, come from curiosity, like, they are showing you the path to success. They're showing you that you can do it. You just have to do it in your own way. And get curious about what are they doing? What's their background? What season of life are they in? Maybe you're not in that same season. Like you just said, you don't have kids. You can get in a van and travel the world. If another Pilates owner or, you know, instructor is comparing themselves to you and Brad's ability to do that, but they have three children at home. Guess what? You're running a race you can't win, but we still do it. You think, Oh, they've got it all together. Oh, they made the perfect lunch, or they did this, or they, you know, whatever, their top producer, and I'm not. And so reframe comparison with curiosity, and then the third, and people always think I'm crazy when I say it, until I unpack it, is we have to embrace self-doubt, right? We look at self-doubt and imposter syndrome as this negative feeling, and it's not. Self-doubt, I believe, is the space where your confidence is actually born, right? If you don't have some kind of doubt, you're not going anywhere. We all have it. And if you tell me you don't have doubt, I would argue that you're not being authentic, right? Imposter syndrome, right? I'm so tired of imposter syndrome being put in this container as you're a fraud or you're a fake. Imposter syndrome is simply a sign you're growing, you're stepping into some new version of you, right? It's like we have to look at these as green lights, not stop signs, and we have to push through them, because that is how you build confidence from the inside. It's not given to you. It's truly built by you stepping into these new containers that you need to be in, new rooms you need to be in new opportunities, new everything. And so I think those are the three biggest things that I help people with, is really breaking through those. And when you do those, when you stop hiding, you're breaking down your walls, right? When you learn to turn comparison into something positive, you rewire your brain. You're looking at it as like envy and as success, and I can do that. And then when you embrace self-doubt, right? You're taking something that's completely normal, and you're stepping through it, which is how you, how you, I believe, break through the walls. Lesley Logan 22:01  I couldn't agree more with all that. I actually like the one reason I think I love that Pilates is in my life as long as it is, no matter what facet it's become, it's because it's a way that I'm allowed to be curious in my body, right? Like, like, why is this exercise so hard today It wasn't hard yesterday? Like, it's a way to practice curiosity, which is something that like, for better, for worse, the way the education system was when I was growing up, you're not curious. You memorize and you get the answer right, or you get it wrong. So I it's taken as an adult, this way of practicing being curious, because that's not something that's natural for me. I want to highlight the self-doubt thing, because I think that is so good, because I would be like, with this imposter syndrome. I remember Seth Godin going, Yeah, well, if you're new at something, of course you're going to feel that because you're new. And it's like to me, I just tell people, congratulations, you're not a narcissist. A narcissist will never feel that way and the way that you just said it. It's so funny, because I didn't realize I have a process. I will come up with an idea. I will then have self-doubt. I have to go through that so that I can go, Well, what am I doubting about it? How do I either get rid of that or, like, learn the thing I need to learn, or research the thing I need to do, whatever I've got this project that I'm working on this year. And of course, as soon as I said I want to do it, I immediately was like, who am I to do this? What, like, Well, how would I solve that problem? How do I solve that problem? And in going through the self-doubt questions, I can figure out the things, and now I have even more confidence in the thing that I'm doing, because I went through the things that I was doubting and explored what that was. And I think that your positive reframe. I think every single person, if they can go, Oh, I feel like that's a load off of your shoulders right now, I feel free. Barb Betts 23:37  It is, well, you said it, right. Okay, so when you feel the doubt and you truly don't know how to do something, or don't know, then you get help, shore up your weaknesses, pull in people around you, or truly understand you have been you have been gifted this opportunity. You've been invited into this room, whatever it may be, because someone else, or the universe, God, whoever, sees something in you that you can't see in yourself yet. But if you don't embrace that and you hold yourself back, you're not going to go anywhere in life, right? You tell me, you show me any successful person that you put on a pedestal that you think has never doubted themselves. The difference is, they know they're imperfect. They know they're going to make mistakes, and they choose to show up anyways, right? Think about Gary Vee. Everyone worships Gary Vee. Gary Vee is amazing, right? He's up on this world level that so many of us are like, Oh my god. Started out selling wine on the internet, on YouTube, you think he knew what he was doing? Absolutely not, right? You think he was comfortable in video? Go back and watch him. He was not, right? He did it anyways, and he was okay with showing up. Clearly, he's very authentic and does whatever he wants to do, but people love him for it. So when you you mentioned earlier like this whole like leaving people behind, and what do we do? And does it change who we are? It absolutely does. It 100% does. But what I know for a fact, because when you choose authenticity, when you choose to show up real, relatable and human, I know for a fact, you give others permission to do the same, and that is the foundation of human connection, and that's how you build real relationships. When I chose to go through my hair loss journey, take my hair off on social media and show everybody my basically bald front of my head, I upleveled my relationships big time in ways I never could have imagined. Because it turns out, people want authenticity. They want humanity, and it gives others permission to do the same with you, and that's how you create a real relationship. Lesley Logan 25:42  Yeah, oh, I got chills. I I think that's so interesting that we we fear losing people by changing who we are, because we're becoming more of ourselves. We're, like, truly not just leveling up, because that can be a little masculine, but, like, I'll just say that leveling up ourselves, right? We're like, like, owning all the things about ourselves, owning our imperfections, owning our desires and all that. And other people will level up they'll be like, Oh my gosh, like, they're being pulled with you, and that requires and then some people won't. Sometimes those people just fall off. You don't even notice it. And they'll be like, Oh my God. I haven't talked to the person in a year, and that is a sign they let themselves go. They let themselves out the door. Barb Betts 26:27  Yup, well, and I also always want to make sure that I give this footnote, because what I don't want people to think is, you know, there's a filter that you have to put yourself through. And I hate using the word filter, but it's the best way for people to understand, right? Because authenticity without this filter can be arrogance, can be a turn off. Because what I always say is, there's different rooms you're in. There's different relationships you have where you bring your authenticity to the table. And you can't bring your whole self everywhere you go. If you bring your whole self everywhere you go to a boardroom, versus maybe, how maybe you have a funny personality and you're a jokester that may be okay at home or around the dinner table with your friends, but it may not be appropriate in the boardroom with the senior vice president of your company. May not be into your jokes that day, right? So what I always say is authenticity with an emotional intelligence lens, being aware of who's around you. What environment are you in? What's appropriate, what's not is how you have influence in life. It's how you build these real influential relationships. Because I may have a political opinion, everyone has one, it may not be appropriate to talk about that with a new client, right? It doesn't mean I'm being inauthentic. It just means I'm choosing not to share that part of me with somebody. And so what I always say is the parts of you that you do bring have to be authentic. So like, you don't have to bring your whole self everywhere you go, the parts of you that are showing up have to be real, and they have to be authentic. Lesley Logan 28:07  Yeah, I love that so much, because, like with the ADHD brain that I have, if I were to bring my whole self to every meeting, people would not be able to follow along. Barb Betts 28:18  Correct, 100%, like, you're authentic. You just said, I have ADHD that's being authentic. Yeah. Lesley Logan 28:25  Yeah. So I and like, I think, like, it's having that okay, so in this space, this is how I can at least, so, okay, right? There was all the ADHD that you just experienced, because my brain went to three places being able to say, Okay, I'm aware that I'm going to be going in a different direction where this conversation is going. I promise it's going to circle back, because my brain is going to get us there. But yeah, I have to know that. And if I, if I mask that, then probably the best ideas are going to come for me, because that's what I'm good at. But also I'm not going to share the four other thoughts that happened over here at the same time. Barb Betts 29:00  Correct. Yes, yes. You know what it is. You know, some people have quirks. Some people have things about them that are, you know, appropriate for, again, your friends at the bar, but they're not appropriate for the boardroom or for the sales call or for the Pilates class while you're teaching, or, you know, things like that. So I think it's just understanding that what can't happen is you masking and pretending to be somebody or something you're not. That's what can't happen that people can smell and sniff out right away. Lesley Logan 29:30  Yeah, they can. And I and to go back to, like, this whole thing, like, it doesn't matter what the relationships are for, whether it's because you want a partner or you want a best friend, or you want a dog walking buddy, or you want, you know, to get a sale out of someone, you have to bring the authentic parts of yourself to that experience so that they can also make the correct decision as well. Barb Betts 29:52  Yes, because you don't want people that want to be friends with the not real you. Because then that's why your relationship never goes deep. That's why you never feel connected. That's why you never feel excited about seeing them. All of those should be clues that either you're not showing up real or they're not the real friendship for you, and not everybody is going to be your friend, not everybody is going to have a relationship with you, and that is okay. I promise you, the real people that you are meant to be surrounded with will come out of the woodwork when you embody this, you know, authentic way of showing up in life. Lesley Logan 30:32  Yeah, oh my gosh, I'm glad you highlighted it's okay. Like, I grew up thinking like everyone needed to like me. Right? I like, how many people are, like, nodding their head, like grew up that ever needed to like me. And the reality is, is like, I that's not true, and also doesn't set you up for being able to be yourself in every room. And there's, I saw something that that I've quoted him many times, and so, just so you know, if you've ever heard me say, I don't I saw on a shirt or, like, a bag you could take the grocery store. It's, like, it said, not, it's, not everyone like me I'm not a taco. And, like, because there's all, there's a taco for everybody, and I'm just, but I'm not going to be everyone's taco. Barb Betts 31:11  100% 100% Well, and, you know, and it's also, you know, again, we don't have to go down this rabbit hole, but we were talking about it earlier, about how do you build relationships with others? And so you have to show up authentic and real. But then I also believe there's three key factors to every relationship. So this might because I know we wanted to talk about, obviously, the relationship with ourselves, but how do we build these relationships with others? And so I'll share that the I created a formula, I wrote about it in my new book, that there's three things that have to be present always in order to have a real relationship. And these are the things I think people miss. And I don't care if this is sales, leadership, friendship, family, romantic, I don't care what it is they have to have these three things. And I call it the VVR formula, and it's visibility, vulnerability and relatability. You don't have those three things, you can't have a relationship, and it works with yourself too. So talk about visibility, right? You have to be present. You have to show up. When people are like, I don't have relationships that I want, I don't have friends, well, are you actually visible? Are you showing up? Are you present? And then when you are present, are you really present? Or are you on your phone, right? Like, are you at the cocktail party, networking and trying to meet people, or are you in your phone in the corner, right? Yeah. Then there's vulnerability. You have to have some level of vulnerability with every other human in your life, or you don't have a relationship, right? And vulnerability can be everything from just telling your team, you know, I don't know the answer to that, right? Or it can be, I don't like the new software either, that they're asking us to use, but guess what? It's what we've been handed and we have to learn it, right? Then there's all the way level of vulnerability, where you're sharing your deepest, darkest secrets with your best friends. I'm not sick, because when people hear vulnerability, they think, I don't want to be vulnerable. Well, you have to have some level of it, or you can't have a human relationship. And then the third is relatability, right? You have to have some point of connection. And this is the thing I think people force. I think people force this, right, if you do not have something that you can relate to each other on whether it be a favorite sports team, or you both love Pilates, or you both love wine or tequila, or you both love a certain sport, or you both have kids, you have to have some kind of relatability with another human. It's why, when you go to networking events and cocktail parties and everything else, and you know, you and I have been in these rooms where someone wants to be in your contact information, and you're like, nope, not saving that in my phone. Pretend I save it, but not saving it. It's because you had nothing in common when you had your conversation. If you did, you would have wanted to save that information and create a relationship. So when were talking about building relationships with others. I just want everyone to know that I believe if you focus on those three things, how can I be more visible? How can I be vulnerable, and how can I be relatable? You will create more relationships than you know what to do with them, if you want them. Lesley Logan 33:47  Yes. And I also, I was just thinking like, you know, I have some friendships that the relatability changed during covid, they got they had a baby, I moved, all these different things. And so our friendships have changed. They didn't disappear, but we are finding new things to relate on, because the major things in our lives aren't relatable anymore. And so I think relationships can go through that. And if you really want them to stay, you find a new thing to be relatable on. Barb Betts 34:12  100% or or visibility, which is also the proximity principle, which is also the law of propinquity. Try to say that 10 times fast. The law of propinquity basically says that the greater the physical or psychological proximity is between people, the greater the chance they'll have a relationship, right? So if you are not either physically or psychologically in someone's proximity, you're not going to have a relationship. So we wonder why in sales, our relationships drift away. Well, are you seeing them or marketing to them? Because if you're not, they're not coming back. Right. Are they showing up to class? If they're not showing up to class, you can't, but you can't have a relationship with them. So how do you get back in visibility with them? How do you get back in proximity with them? That's why it's first, because you're right. Relationships drift away, good or bad, for various different reasons. But if you want to bring it back to center, then get visible with somebody. Get vulnerable with somebody. Vulnerability can be texting Lesley and being like, Lesley, I miss you, I miss seeing each other in six months. I really miss you. Can we get together? That's being vulnerable because you're admitting I haven't been in touch with you. Right? And then relatability, finding a new point like to your like you just said, you have friends that all of a sudden started having kids during Covid, and you guys don't have kids, and so they're doing off all the little tiny kids stuff, and you and Brad aren't interested in guess what? That's normal. You don't have to be interested in little kids stuff, right? So that's creates a little bit of a relatability difference. But can you have a relatability on something else that you're both interested in?Lesley Logan 34:15  Yeah, I feel like I could talk to you for hours. We are going to take a brief break and find out where I can get your book, because obviously I my interest is piqued. There's going to be other things to go along with once we get the first step down, then there's the next steps. And so we'll take a brief break and find out and get those books. Lesley Logan 34:15  All right. Barb, where? Where are your books sold? Barb Betts 34:15  Books are sold everywhere. Lesley Logan 34:15  What's the name of the book? Barb Betts 34:15  The book is The Relationship Advantage: Unlocking the Life-Changing Power of Human Connection. Just look under the relationship advantage. Easiest way to find it, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Books a Million, as they say, with a deep commercial voice, everywhere books are sold. Lesley Logan 34:15  Yes, well, we're gonna get your book because I definitely, I mean, I've over the four years, I need to know you in this topic. Like every time I hear you speak, I hear a different way of it going, and I think it's the way of the future, even if people think it's AI, it might be AI, relationships are gonna be the thing. Not everyone wants to play with your AI tool if they don't know who you are. Barb Betts 34:15  Well, that's why I wrote the book, and I wrote it in three sections, and and just to give you the high level overview, it's the first section is all the relationships with yourself. The second section is, how do you build effective relationships with others? And then the third section is how relationships make an impact in your life. One chapter on sales, one chapter on leadership, one chapter on building community. And then the final chapter is how relationships are our legacy. Lesley Logan 34:15  You're brilliant, and also, you know, you're you're, you're Barb Betts on the on the gram, correct? And on LinkedIn, and all the things? Barb Betts 34:15  Everywhere grams are found. Lesley Logan 34:15  Yeah, okay, you have actually given us so many tools. I feel like we could just, like, clip it and go, there's your Be It Action Items. But just in case, you have other things to add to that, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it, what you have for us? Barb Betts 37:21  I would say it comes down to the authenticity. It comes down to stop hiding, let your walls down, let people in. Admit you're not perfect. Admit where you're you know your vulnerabilities are. It definitely comes down to pay attention to how you feel on social media. Pay attention to what you're looking at, how you're comparing yourself to others. Really try to change that neuroscience in your head and reframe that into comparison. And I promise you, one of the things I tell people all the time is just DM somebody when you feel right, that that effort to compare DM Lesley and be like, Oh my gosh, your road show looks amazing. I'm so proud of you, even though you're looking at Lesley like, so successful. Everybody like her, right? And then the third, obviously, is when you next time you feel that self-doubt, friends, please look at it just in your head, think green light. Think green light. Think green light. That means put your foot down on the gas pedal and go. That is your clue to push harder, to go, to go do the thing, because it will change who you are.Lesley Logan 38:17  I love those. I love all of this. This whole conversation has lit me up. I'm so excited. You guys, please let Barb Betts know what your favorite parts were, what your takeaways were. If you were envious then you know what to do, she just gave you the tool to how to say that. Send this to a friend who needs to hear it. You know also it might that might even be a way of being vulnerable, like, hey, this really meant a lot to me. I think it could be really great for us both to figure this out. So I just think that there's so many different ways to take this. Go get Barb's book. I'm gonna get it wherever books are sold, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 38:48  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Turning a stressful airport “system reset” into an epic life win starts with one simple choice: how you respond. In this Friday reflection, Lesley Logan shares a powerful reminder to age with mischief and audacity, not just grace. After a runway delay and unexpected travel hiccup, she explores what it looks like to stay grounded and shift your energy in the moment instead of spiraling. From celebrating a major podcast milestone to the joy of reconnecting with childhood friends, this episode is your nudge to take ownership of your self-care and create your own kind of win. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Reconnecting with childhood friends is so good for the soul.Accomplishing a greatest pivot with like-minded people.Reaching the top 1% podcast because of authenticity.Choosing patience during travel delays creates an enjoyable night.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsUcanoutdoors Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ucanoutdoorsCreative Soul Pilates - https://www.instagram.com/creative_soul_pilates Megan Linney - https://www.instagram.com/meganlinney If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Happy Friday. Welcome to your first Friday in April. We did it. We're here. Ah, I'm currently in Europe, but still being inspired by you. And have some wins of yours to share, and couple wins of mine and and some inspiration and a mantra and something like that, right? Like, that's how this episode goes. And I'm just really grateful for you, to be honest. So the inspiration from the interwebs that I was like, oh my god, I have to tell the Be It babes, that's you. By the way, if you're listening, you're brand new here, hi. This is from @ucanoutdoors. I don't know what that means, @ucanoutdoors. That's what that means. Okay, how about that? Well, the link's in the show notes they shared this post, it has handwritten it says, your time on Earth is limited. Don't try to age with grace, age with mischief, audacity and a good story to tell from a healed life. I am obsessed. Let me say that one more time. Don't try to age with grace. Age with mischief, audacity and a good story to tell. Well, we've got some good stories for your guys to tell. Lesley Logan 1:45  So we always do a little win of yours. And so I got two from you guys. I was like, hey guys, I want some wins. You know you can send them in right? beitpod.com/questions where you can send your questions in and your wins in. And you know what you might need to hear your win from the past on a day that it comes up, because, like, sometimes we're just having a day, right? Like, I'll be honest, I woke up and today was a day, so I'm excited to be talking and recording with you, because today was just a day, and that's just because I had a crappy flight. More on that another moment. Okay, so @creative_soul_pilates, I got to hang out with a childhood friend and reconnect. It was so good for the soul. That's so fun a friend from childhood that you still hanging out with, that's amazing. I don't know that, but I have seen on TV, and it looks so delightful, I can totally see how that is for the soul.Lesley Logan 2:36  And I don't say that to be like, don't, don't feel sorry for me. Like, but I that those of you who have those childhood friends that like it's good for your soul, I love that for you, I think that is the cool. What a win that you guys could just evolve and grow and change and stay in touch with each other in a positive, supporting way. That means you're two badass humans. That's really what it means. All right, @meganlinney, she'd been on the pod before, by the way, she wrote, I've accomplished my greatest pivot and accelerated timing with like-minded people. Infinite wins. And I couldn't agree more, I've been watching from the sidelines. I'm so happy for you. You know, you really have, like, talk about no one, no one likes the word pivot anymore. I think it became the new the new word no one can hear. It's like, nailed on a chalkboard. But honestly, like, sometimes you need to do it. And when you do it, you want to do it like you did Megan, because you are absolutely a model for how to pivot with well, you know, like I started the podcast with audacity and a good story to tell. Lesley Logan 3:33  All right, my win. So two things. One, I don't think I've actually done this with you guys on a FYF. We're a top 1% podcast because of you. So thanks so much. I think I said it on one of the recap episodes, but I just want to make sure I say it here, in case you listen to these more, that's a huge win. That's like a five year in the making win, like, just absolutely wonderful, and without ads and without, you know, doing crazy, wild, clickbaity stuff. So just really proud that we could do it authentically and with you. And I felt like this because of you. My win is, okay, so I was like, I was having a great day. I was in Sacramento for like, what was supposed to only be, like, 30 hours, not even like I supposed to see 25 hours, and it turned it into 30 something hours. And that's because I was just like, having the best time. I was really proud of myself. I was even outgoing by myself at a bar at the lounge. Not my normal thing. I was allowing myself to, like, just enjoy, like, people watching and what was going on, and be part of it, and part of the Olympics and all this stuff. And, you know, it's just really great. And I was like, oh, look at me. I'm like, oh, on this plane, it's just gonna be so easy. And get on the plane, and we get down the runway, and I was like, okay, babe, I'll see you in an hour. Make sure you're on time. Don't be late. I don't want to go to bed late. And we don't take off, and we're just sitting there, and it's like, not great, it's like, what is happening? And they come on, and they go, okay, we have to reset the system. And I'm like, I don't know that I want to be on a plane, that they're resetting the system while I'm on the runway. What? So anyways, that didn't work. They turned us around and we got off, and they're like, okay, we're gonna figure out what's next. And I'm like, what's next? I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow, that took me three months to get you have got to get me home. Like, I don't know if I would have a good night's sleep at a hotel. You've got to get me home tonight. And so I sat there, but I tried to be really patient. I just like, I'm not going to be like, some Karen who is going to go up and yell, I'm just going to, like, sit here and be chill. I mean, I just had a great time at the bar, like, I'm just going to sit here and be chill. And I sat there long enough for them to say, okay, meet back at this gate in one hour. And I was like, I'm gonna take myself out to dinner now. So took myself out to dinner and got on the plane, and I just let myself, like, let I decided to see what it would be like if I didn't get upset about something. And it was quite nice. So it was annoying, it was frustrating. It was all the feelings. And I was just like, what if I just, like, enjoy that I have more time in an airport and I can have a burger and, like, you know, and I'll say, like, it meant that the night was really enjoyable. Brad picked me up and we had fun. I found this account that was like singing bad bunny songs with with the Spanish lyrics, so I could read the Spanish lyrics, but with English words, so that I could hear the English in the cadence of the words of bad bunny so that when I listen to the bad bunny songs in Spanish as they are intended, I am not just feeling the vibe and the joy of the music and the art. I'm actually like, I have like this. I can. I know what they're saying. I know what he's saying. I can, I can be in more joy. So I just let myself off some fun. Because what are you gonna do? Get mad about it. So I'm really proud about that. That's a I think that's an epic life win. Not gonna lie. Lesley Logan 6:50  All right, now for a mantra for you to end this amazing week, I hope, even if it was crap, because I don't look I don't know what's going on the world when you're listening to this, you know, I record these early. This is obviously in February. The Olympics are on. But you know, I hope that these episodes just are like a nice little like breaking your day, reminder that there's still a mantra that we can tell ourselves to just get ourselves through what's going on. So the responsibility for self-care is my own. The responsibility for self-care is my own. The responsibility for self-care is my own. You know, I don't, you know, I believe in that, you know I believe in that. I have a guest coming up on the pod, and we're gonna talk about how self-care is a system. And I, you know, I love that. I love me. My ADHD brain is loving me a system. So all right, loves, now, go have a great day. Share this podcast with a friend who needs to hear it. Share your favorite interview, your favorite recap episode. It means the world to me. We're in the top 1% but guess what? There are top .5% and that just means more amazing people being it till they see it. And I think it's an easier world to live in when everyone is acting like the person that they want to be, instead of waiting impatiently to get there. Have an amazing day. Lesley Logan 8:05  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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There's so much contradictory information about hormonal health during the midlife transition. In this episode, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down their favorite takeaways from Bria Gadd, a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition practitioner and host of The Period Whisperer Podcast. They explore why shifting into perimenopause feels like reverse puberty and how years of health debt can suddenly catch up with you. Lesley and Brad share how to stop the downward spiral by mastering the basic pillars that bring back your energy and mental clarity. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Identifying the biological "retirement" process of the ovaries.Defining health debt and its impact on daily energy. Implementing the four core pillars for hormonal stability.Using functional movement to avoid spiking stress hormones.Finding the right specialists for perimenopause and hormone therapy.Episode References/Links:Pilates On Tour® (London, UK) - xxll.co/potOPC Spring Training (Virtual Event) - opc.me/events2027 Mentorship - lesleylogan.co/elevate2027 Cambodia Waitlist - https://beitpod.com/cambodia2027Bria Gadd Website - https://www.briatheperiodwhisperer.comThe Period Whisperer Podcast - https://beitpod.com/periodwhispererEp. 418 with Dr. Jan Schroeder - https://beitpod.com/ep418Ep. 419 with Lesley & Brad - https://beitpod.com/ep419Moonbrew - https://rewards.moonbrew.co/LESLEYLOGAN20Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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And like, women over 50, because your brain is rewiring so it's like, it never it actually like, where, yes, people's brains stopped developing in their early 20s. The actual reality for female brains is because of perimenopause, our brain has to rewire itself because of how we operate. We don't have the same hormones that we used to. Lesley Logan 0:22  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:01  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the grounded convo I had with Bria Gadd in our last episode. If you missed that one, you fucked up and or you're brand new. Brad Crowell 1:17  No, or you're not grounded. That's all. You're floating. Lesley Logan 1:19  You're floating. If it sounds like I'm like, on the brink of a sneeze, I am this. My sinuses are kicking. This allergy season is kicking my ass. I'm just gonna say it. And we can't prolong this any longer. We tried. We're here. And if you're looking at this on the internet, I look like I got punched in the face. I understand. So we're going with it. And that's just how it's going to be. Today is April 2nd and it's Autism Acceptance Day. It's really important that you take a look at the different things going on in autism world, because there are some groups who are problematic, and they're autism awareness, and then there's this one, which is autism acceptance day. So I checked in with some of our amazing people in our lives who have children are autistic and they're excited that we're talking about this day. So Autism Acceptance Day, also known as World Autism Day, is observed annually, adopted by the United Nations in 2007. The purpose of this day is to raise awareness and promote acceptance of people with autism spectrum disorder. It also presents an opportunity to tear down misconceptions and false notions about the disability. So, about disability, excuse me. Brad Crowell 2:22  Yeah. So I decided to just do a little homework, because we hear about, like, being on the spectrum, you know, and I put that in air quotes, even though I shouldn't have, because it's actually it is spectrum. So, so I did that wrong. But what is being.Lesley Logan 2:36  Joey, you're like, Joey, thank you.Brad Crowell 2:39  Thank you with my air quotes, thank you. Lesley Logan 2:42  You're amazing. Brad Crowell 2:43  Okay, so on the spectrum refers to being diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder, which is a neurodevelopmental condition affecting communication, social interaction and behavior. It means a person experiences the world differently with a unique, wide range of strengths and challenges, rather than a single linear progression of severity. So it can present itself in many different ways. Lesley Logan 3:10  Oh, just like ADHD presents in different ways. Brad Crowell 3:13  I'm sure, but I think that, like, the most obvious is, like, we've all, you know, if you haven't seen the movie Rain Man, you know, that's one we're seeing. But effectively, that's one way we see it. We also see like that autism can be, like, completely socially debilitating, you know, or.Lesley Logan 3:27  You could be like our neighbor across the street, who. Brad Crowell 3:29  100% functional, has family, definitely autistic. Lesley Logan 3:34  Oh, yeah. He, he holds on to zero emotions. And if they, if he and his wife are listening, hi, wow, it was me. I'm like, have you been married 20 years? If you hold on to no emotions, I understand, but I, I think that what's really important to me for bringing this up is one, we're, because we have more research and more information, it's not that there's more autistic people, it's just that when you test for things, you actually can get more like people get the labels that they need, and because we have information on how to test sooner, this means that people can get the help that they need so that they can have a life that they want to live. Whatever that help is, help can be different for each person, and it's very interesting, because Brad and I are diagnosed with ADHD, and people are thinking, if you're on the internet, it can feel like a trend for people over 40 people died of ADHD. But actually, as a child, growing up, Brad would present it as ADHD. They should diagnose him as it. But girls present differently, but they still have it. So it's not like I got ADHD. I have always had it. I have all the symptoms and signs that women would present. But that's not what was happening in the 90s. And so I just want to say, like, it's, I think it's really important, because there's an asshole in the government who's making up shit about autism and autistic people, and he can fuck himself, because it's actually not helpful, and it's not helpful that people who are autistic, and actually, like, when you diverse, when you create myths around any thing, whether it is the flu or Covid or some sort of diagnosis, it actually causes harm to the people who have it, are it, is it, and it actually means that, like, they don't get the help that they need. And then people get scared about things that are not, should not be fearful.Brad Crowell 5:21  Well, also, you mentioned, you know, ADHD. ADHD and autism are linked like they're, they're definitely, there's definitely an overlap.Lesley Logan 5:30  Oh, well, I'm pretty sure I'm still diagnosed with ADHD.Brad Crowell 5:34  Well, yeah, that's AUDHD, AUDHD, instead of just ADHD.Lesley Logan 5:38  If you look up AUDHD, I have, like, check, check, check, check, and it's like, how, now I understand, you guys, now I understand why I didn't feel like I belonged. I'm just gonna tell you right now, like, I can now understand why I felt like a person who just, like, didn't fit in, just trying to, like, watch what people are doing, so then I could be like, those people. Like that is just talk about why I'm an ambivert, you know. But I think I just want to say like, because we've had more information now it shouldn't be a scary thing to have someone in your life who is autistic. It shouldn't be like, Oh, I'm so bummed out. It's actually like, isn't it great that we can have information so that we can help people in the way they need to be helped, whether you're neurotypical or neurodivergent, we all have different needs, and then you can advocate for yourself. Our neighbor, he only got diagnosed as autistic recently because he's like, I just want to know about myself more. And I'm like, well, it allows you to advocate for yourself more. Brad Crowell 6:03  He's in his 40s. Lesley Logan 6:08  Yeah, but it just allows you to, his his daughter's autistic, and she presents very much differently. And it just allows you to be like, hey, when people like, Oh, you're really rude there, it's like, okay, I'm not trying to be rude. This is like, so I just think it really helps people. It's like, that's like, taking any kind of personality test. It just lets you know more about yourself. So I just want to say that, because so I just want to say that, because I got furious. They're talking about not taking fucking Tylenol or something like that, and it's like, please, pregnant mommas, you don't want a fever when you're pregnant, and that's one of the safest things you can take and so it just I, I'm not an expert on this. I have an email of an expert and advocate for autism, and so I'm hoping to get them on the podcast, because I'd like to make sure I'm talking sure I'm talking about this in the correct way, and hopefully I didn't say any words incorrectly. It was without intention, if that happened, because I do think that like there's just a weird thing going on that makes me feel like people are are being treated in a way that's not acceptable.Brad Crowell 7:17  Well there's just one more way to (inaudible) people, ignorance. Lesley Logan 7:18  Yes and just creates fear. Anyways, we love you. Brad Crowell 7:22  Well, moving on. Here's what we got coming up, because today is April 2nd. We are about to head over to London, and we're going to be at the POT in London. Lesley is going to be teaching. I'm going to be hanging out at the booth. So come say hi if you are. Lesley Logan 7:40  They're celebrating 50 years of Balanced Body, and there's going to be a big party. So if there's any tickets left, you should get them. I know that they had a few tickets left for Sunday. So come, come, come, come.Brad Crowell 7:43  Yeah, come join us. It's, I think, this upcoming weekend, when you're finally listening to this, or no, it's like, in 10 days or something. Lesley Logan 7:50  It's not this Sunday, it's the next one so, xxll.co/pot and then we're gonna come home and we're gonna do spring training.Brad Crowell 7:58  Spring training, OPC, spring training. So come join us. It's going to be a lot of fun this year, we're doing.Lesley Logan 8:05  It's just like getting your butt upside down, like, it's all the overhead stuff. And I've seen all the different teachers classes. And so if you. Brad Crowell 8:11  I was gonna say inversions. Lesley Logan 8:13  Inversions, like, inversions, yes, it's, I guess you don't say that. Brad Crowell 8:16  You're not doing, like, handstands and stuff, but. Lesley Logan 8:18  No, but we're, we're gonna talk about, we're gonna each teacher is going on with that theme. And so we have some we have like, one class which is like, no inversions. We have one like, yes, no, maybe so. So no matter where you are in your practice, there is going to be information for you. And basically, our goal is to take away the fear that many people have of getting hurt or hurting their necks, and actually understanding what connections you need to do any of the upside down exercises. Do you want to go to opc.me/events to be on the wait list, you don't miss out on the early bird. OPC members. It is a free for you. Watch your inbox so you can see how to sign up, because you'll get it free, but we're going to let you sign up for it. We're not going to force it down your throat. And then, just actually a quick note here, five in my mentorship program for comprehensively trained teachers as of the time of recording this, there's five spots left as the time you're hearing this. I have no idea recording early because we're going to be in Europe, but there's five spots left. So if you are a comprehensively trained teacher who is feeling frustrated, overwhelmed, confused, lacking confidence, or just not able to have your own personal practice with Pilates and on behalf of some and you're unsure this program is for you, you're gonna go to lesleylogan.co/elevate lesleylogan.co/elevate.Brad Crowell 9:28  I also just wanted to say big shout out to our team for helping us prepare for the Cambodia offer that happened in January. If you were thinking about coming to Cambodia, it is sold out. So we love you. We would love to have you come join us. We have already listed the dates for 2027 so get yourself on the waitlist there, so that you are the first to know when things are happening. We're more open in the doors for 2027. Dates are on the website right now. And you can kind of pin that into your calendar so you don't accidentally schedule something else. We would love to have you come join us, but I'm really proud of our team for all the effort that they did, you know, making sure everything went smoothly. And we're really fired up for this year's trip. It's going to be fantastic. Great job, team. Brad Crowell 10:17  All right, before we get going, we had a question from Sofie Peere. She said, Hey, I have a question, for the Sunday live on YouTube. My hamstrings are very short and stiff, and I do not have a lot of strength in them. I would love to stretch and strengthen them more. But to help my practice, I know I can do the ballet stretches on the ladder barrel. But what would you recommend? What kind of other exercises would you recommend that I could work on for this. Lesley Logan 10:42  Yeah. So we actually did a whole YouTube, YouTube video about flexibility and stretching. And the truth is, is that just like hanging out over your leg and stretching out like you remember when you were in PE just put your leg up on a bench, and you're just like leaning over, that's more of a passive stretching. And yes, you do feel more flexible after that. But as far as creating flexibility that lasts a long time, you want more of an active, dynamic stretch or active static. And so what you want to do is think about your single straight leg stretch on the mat. I want you pushing your leg into your arms. Most people are just pulling on their leg, versus, like, actually pushing the leg into their hands. And that's gonna be a great one on the mat. Also how you're doing your roll up and your spine stretch forward. You want to dig your heels down to activate those muscles on the back of your leg, and then round forward over them. Most people are actually just stretching their back, and they're not really stretching their hamstrings. The other thing I would say on the Reformer is your tree, same thing you're pulling on that leg with your arms, that you should be pushing that leg into your hands. It's gonna be super helpful. And then when you're looking at your elephant, are you really actually reaching your heels down? Are you just pushing your knees back so without seeing you? Sophie, some people have some hypermobility in the joints and tightness in the muscles, and so you just be making sure. Are you straighten your leg from, you know, like your leg or are you actually just pushing your knee back? But anytime you're actually stretching your hamstrings. If you activate them and stretch them, it's going to create the flexibility you're looking at, you're looking for, and it just is going to take a lot longer than you think. Brad Crowell 12:14  Takes time. It takes time, but great question. Keep those questions coming. If you have a question for the pod, text us at 310-905-5534, or submit it to beitpod.com/questions where you can also leave a win. So questions or a win, go to beitpod.com/questions. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to start talking about Bria Gadd. Brad Crowell 12:32  Okay, let's talk about Bria Gadd. Bria is a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition practitioner, often known as the period whisperer, and that one does go in air quotes, and her work centers on female hormonal health during midlife and perimenopause. She helps women make sense of hormonal changes so they can regain energy, feel clear in their bodies, and stop feeling like everything is suddenly broken. She's also the host of The Period Whisperer Podcast, where she breaks down the complex hormonal topics in a way that's practical, grounded and actually usable. So what would you what like do you remember this conversation intimately and like all the things I was listening to, it going, what am I about to listen to? Okay.Lesley Logan 13:11  Yeah, I know. Well, I'm just gonna make, keep bringing perimenopause experts on here so that you can understand why the hell you should not make noise sometimes, but you can make noise other times. Brad Crowell 13:21  Make noise? Lesley Logan 13:21  Yeah, like, sometimes you make tons of noise at night, and I hear nothing. Brad Crowell 13:30  At night. Lesley Logan 13:33  Yes. And then sometimes you make a little bit of noise, and I come marching down the hall. Brad Crowell 13:41  Let me type in my computer. What are we talking about here? Lesley Logan 13:41  Well, we're talking about perimenopause. Okay, so Bria is she is a period whisper, but she, like, really focuses on, like, kind of helping you understand the changes that are going on in your body as you get older. Because, as we talked about, perimenopause is like reverse puberty. And I think that's a really interesting way of thinking about it. Brad Crowell 13:41  Great way to think about it. Lesley Logan 13:48  Yeah. And also, by the way, ladies, there's like, so much information that, like, after 50, our brain is, like, even better than it ever was and like, women over 50, because your brain is rewiring so it's like, it never it actually like, where, yes, people's brains stopped developing in their early 20s. The actual reality for female brains is because of perimenopause, our brain has to rewire itself because of how we operate, we don't have the same hormones that we used to and so so just in case you didn't know, perimenopause is like the gradual retirement of the ovaries, which places a significant additional workload on the body's other systems, and it's a major biological transition that demands more energy without providing more in return, which means you need to have, even to have a lot extra energy than you used to have, and then you get, you get shit in return.Brad Crowell 14:31  Oh, crazy. Okay, a gradual retiring of the ovaries. Yeah, I've never heard it described that way, and it makes a lot of sense.Lesley Logan 14:37  I really like that well, because you just so, you know, I mean, we've had other Peri menopause experts on the show, but you can be in perimenopause for average of 10 years. Brad, because it could take a long time.Brad Crowell 14:47  Well, sure. So, because, like, you know that what, what I've heard, more than anything else, is that there's a biological clock to have a kid. What does that actually mean? In practicality, that means something is go, is intentionally no longer going to function. So that is the gradual retiring of the ovaries.Lesley Logan 15:03  Did you know you could actually get pregnant during perimenopause, because your ovaries are still working, they're just gradually retiring. So you could do that.Brad Crowell 15:10  I mean, I guess that makes sense. I have certainly heard people getting pregnant in their 40s, you know? Even 30.Lesley Logan 15:15  So presumably, yeah, presumably after 37 you're in perimenopause. But the goal, and here's the thing, with great doctors, you can actually be in perimenopause, you can actually keep your period for a long time. There are women in their 60s who still get it and. Brad Crowell 15:18  Is that a goal? Lesley Logan 15:20  Well, actually, there's a lot of information that the longer you have your period, the better it is for brain and heart and a lot of different stuff. Because we've had Dr Jill something on the pod, sort of the nest sloschenberg Slash, and something she talks about like, as soon like within two years after once you once you hit the one year mark without having a period, which means so technically, you're no longer in perimenopause. You're just post menopause, or menopausal when it's been 12 months since your last period. So you went 12 months with no periods, and you are done. Your ovaries don't work. You're you're cooked. And within two years of that, a lot of women see that they have the same heart issues that men have. And so yeah, I would like to keep my period as long as possible. Keeps your brain good. Get your heart good. It's a great way to get rid of like waste and plastics that are in the body. Brad Crowell 16:16  Ah. Dr. Jan Schroeder. Lesley Logan 16:19  Oh. Schroeder, I was so close. I was really close. Brad Crowell 16:22  Dr. Jan Schroeder, Episode 418, and 419 for the recap. And yes, she's a professor and past chair of the Department of Kinesiology at Long Beach State University. Good memory. Dr. Jan Schroeder.Lesley Logan 16:35  Anyways, look, here's the deal. Perimenopause feels like a burden, but it's like the gift we didn't know we needed. Because, ladies, there's actually a ton of different research of like, that they're, now that they're actually researching women, not that the US is, they killed that one. But there are other people researching it, because you want to know what, like, a billion women are going through perimenopause at the same time, and people like, oh, we can make money off of this if we just research it. So there's a lot of information out there, and I think it's important to get to know it and not be so frustrated by it, because when you know what you're going through and what your symptoms are, they're different than other people. There is help out there, you know? And I, I've been, I've been literally raising my hand for all the help. I'm like, I'll take that one. Yes, I'll do that one. Because you know what, we have this one life to live. Feel good. What did you love?Brad Crowell 17:19  Yeah, I mean, you do hopefully have one, one life to live, and I agree we should feel good. Okay, so we've heard of sleep debt, right? So I thought it was interesting that Bria was talking about health debt, right? And she explained that health debt is when the energy you supply your body no longer meets the energy demand of your body, right? So energy supply equals sleep, nutrition, joy and purpose. And I'm going to repeat that. Energy supply equals sleep, nutrition, joy and purpose, joy and purpose, right? So really intriguing to me that like, your energy supply has so much to do with like, happiness and like, focus on something that keeps us going, in addition to physical like sleep and the and the food that we're eating, the nutrition, right? So she said that women often run a deficit for years before the symptoms actually show up, and when they do show up, probably like we're trying to put a band aid on something that is like years in coming. But perimenopause actually makes that health debt impossible to ignore, because it exacerbates everything, right?Lesley Logan 18:26  I couldn't agree more. I mean, like, I think the reason why I didn't think I had ADHD is because I had all these different things that I was doing to, like, live in the world, and then because of perimenopause, it's like, it exacerbated the issue, which is like, as an ADHD person, I don't have a stimulant, as perimenopause, my estrogen levels are going lower, which means I'm now doubly low. And so just like shows like, oh, this is why you can't focus. Hello. You never were but now you really can't. I actually want to highlight that you said that twice. Sleep, nutrition, joy, purpose. There was one, this one nutritionist who did a retreat with me back in Ojai, and she talked about how sometimes people will eat, like, candy, sugar, chocolate, because they actually didn't play or have joy in their day, and so they're trying to fulfill this need with food, versus, like, going on a swing or, you know, playing a game, or laughing out loud like something else that's that has to do with joy and purpose. You know?Brad Crowell 19:24  Yeah, I just thought it was great. I think that we easily can forget that being happy, being positive joy, it really does shift our outlook, our mind and then ultimately, our body. Wow.Lesley Logan 19:42  I also just highlight, like, we are human beings. And so many people are doing the human doing thing, you know? And so, like, especially in perimenopause, or even just like, when you're going through your cycle, it really does force you to go, oh, I should take care of myself right now. Like, the week before my period, I have to, like, slow down and do less, because otherwise I'm a bitch, and that's okay if I just do less. I'm not I'm a less of a bitch.Brad Crowell 20:07  Well, that's a great note to wrap that up. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna get into those, Be It Action Items that we had with Bria Gadd, The Period Whisperer. Brad Crowell 20:22  All right. Finally, welcome back. Let's dig into those Be It Action Items we were just talking about. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Bria? She said, here's how you get out of health debt. We have to start with the basics, okay? So what are the basics? She talked about the four core pillars that we actually need in place. So I'm going to just review those four things. Sleep. Here's what we do about sleep, hold an actual space for sleep. She said, aim for about eight hours and keep bedtimes and wake up times consistent. So get on a routine. Even 80% of the time being consistent will make a difference for you. So but I like this idea of holding a space for sleep. Lesley and I often talk about sleep being a rock in our schedule, meaning that it has to be scheduled first, right? It can't just be like, Oops, I got, you know, I'm accidentally getting some sleep now, you have to actually be planning ahead. Nutrition. She said, eat with consistency. Have your first meal within two hours of waking then eat every four to five hours. Your meal should actually keep you full and provide more energy than they take away. So your meals should actually provide you energy so that there's some nutrition stuff there that will you have to dig into, but they should be providing you energy. Movement. Prioritize functional movement, like walking, yoga and Pilates. Using intense exercise for energy is like using a credit card for energy you don't actually have, right? It's like using a credit card for energy you don't actually have. So she's saying functional movement, not necessarily intense movement, right?Lesley Logan 21:51  Correcrt because intense movement is actually going to spike your cortisol. And if you do it the wrong time of the day, or if you've already had a high cortisol day, you're actually causing yourself more harm than good. I would say if you're especially if you're over 40. This is coming from someone who loves to work out and loves to lift weights. I have to be very intentional, otherwise I fuck up my sleep.Brad Crowell 22:15  Yeah, so and then she said joy and stress management. Joy is one of the biggest energy currency, currencies that we have for our body and you need it daily to really stress and create space for it, and to tie this to what I was saying before the break, purpose can really help you find that joy when you have a purpose, whether that is donating your time at the SPCA, or having a job you really love, or, you know, whatever it might be, kids, family, job, like, like, life, art, travel, music, whatever it is, when you have purpose behind you, it will help you find that joy even more.Lesley Logan 22:53  Yeah, yeah. I agree. I agree with all that stuff. Brad Crowell 22:55  Yeah. What about you? Lesley Logan 22:56  You have to slow down and be still. This is something very hard for me to do. Brad Crowell 23:00  Well, it definitely fits with scheduling time for sleep. Lesley Logan 23:03  Yes, oh, you know what I do. Here's the thing. This is actually, since I talked to Bria Gadd, my girlfriend's turned me on to this thing. We probably heard ads for it. But I drink that Moon Brew and they have an extra one. They have one that's like an extra sleep one. So you can also look at that, but like, I drink that Moon Brew and it's a nice little nighttime routine. It like, lets my brain know, like, Hey, we're getting ready for sleep, you know. And it's got all this good stuff, the healthy sleep. I highly recommend it. You go to moonbrew.co/lesleylogan20 and then you can use Lesley Logan 20 to save, but anyways, I love that. I love. Brad Crowell 23:34  We'll put that link in the show notes. Lesley Logan 23:36  Yeah, I think it's really difficult. My busy body, ladies, we have to slow down to be still. But like, even if you just, like, have a moment where you just go sit in your yard, or sit on your porch and sip your coffee, or you in the morning, ideally, or you sip your mood, like, just sit still for a second. Like, amazing ideas come to you. And it really does not just, like, get you answers about what you're looking for, which you want to do next, or what that purpose could be, but it helps. It helps get the brain ready for what's next. So I like that. Start with foundation. So do the basics instead of skipping ahead. If you can't do the basics, that's your sign to move to step three, which is ask for help. So if you can't do basics, if you're someone who likes to be like, I'm advanced, I'm an advanced practitioner. A lot of those people come to Pilates, they don't want to be getting beginner classic, like, I'm an advanced mover. And it's like I did a Pilates class and it was too easy. So I'm advanced. It's like, ask for help. So I have been asking for tons of help this year, and it's only March 1st, the day we're recording this. You're here in this April 2nd. But like, I have been to like, 17 docs appointments already, but I have been asking for help because you want to know what some things aren't working anymore. Things that used to work have stopped working. And so it's like, instead of just suffering in silence, you can ask for help. You could ask for Bria Gadd's help. You can ask for your doctor's help. Like, stop trying to pretend like you know everything, you know? And also, yes, I love asking the internet for stuff, but oh my god, you could easily end up in a Maha fucking algorithm. So you got to be mindful, because, remember, studying Women's Health is a very new thing, and so there's a lot of misinformation out there. It's better to talk to people who actually do study it and do work with people who are going through with what you're going through so, you know, I had to switch gynecologists in the last six months because I wanted to get hormone therapy from them, and so I switched to someone who specializes in that. Loved my gynecologist I had before, she's amazing, sent a ton of people to her, but because I'm now on the hormone track, I switched to someone who specialized in that, and that is been so helpful. The last two appointments, I'm like, this is bothering me. She's like, let's try this thing. And I'm like, Oh my God, is it that it's that easy? And if it's not that easy, you have the wrong person in your corner, that's what I have to say. So Bria Gadd, thanks for being The Period Whisperer, thanks for all your amazing advice. Brad Crowell 25:45  Yeah. Lesley Logan 25:46  I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 25:47  I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 25:48  You're amazing. Thanks for listening to definitely a terrible sounding voice of mine. I'm sure it's annoying you. Appreciate you so much. Thanks to all of you who've left a review, shared an episode with a friend, and if you haven't, share one of your favorite episodes with anybody you love. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 26:04  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 26:05  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Okay, let's talk about Bria Gadd.Lesley Logan 27:56  Okay, it's just that that light is like causing me to sneeze I think.Brad Crowell 28:01  Okay, so we're talking about, we are we are awkwardly talking about Brad making noise, because you gave no context. So making noise. Lesley Logan 28:09  Well, you know you should just know these things. Brad Crowell 28:11  Right. Okay, well, no one else knows these things.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Is perimenopause something to dread, or is it the ultimate diagnostic tool for your future self? In this eye-opening episode, Lesley Logan sits down with Bria Gadd, the “Period Whisperer,” to dismantle the myths around female hormonal transitions. They explore the idea of “health debt”—what happens when life keeps demanding more than your body can give—and how that starts to show up over time. Bria reframes perimenopause as a “reverse puberty,” revealing where your foundations may need support, so you can move out of the shame spiral and start investing in a vibrant second half of life. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Perimenopause can reveal what is really happening in your overall health.Many women are unknowingly living in a cycle of “health debt.”Functional issues can exist long before tests show physical problems.High-intensity workouts can drain an already stressed hormonal system.Joy and pleasure are essential sources of energy for the body.Episode References/Links:Bria Gadd's Website - https://www.briatheperiodwhisperer.comThe Period Whisperer Podcast - https://www.briagadd.com/the-period-whisperer-podcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/bria_period_whisperer/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BriaThePeriodWhisperer/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@briagaddYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bria_period_whispererDutch Test (Functional Lab) - https://dutchtest.comGuest Bio:Bria Gadd is a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® Practitioner, holistic health coach, and certified personal trainer, who specializes in female hormones, helping women with weight release and energy gain in pre and post menopause, and finding clarity in hormonal chaos. Her podcast The Period Whisperer is a top 1% wellness podcast in the world with an instagram following of over 17,000. Bria has been featured in Fox News, Women's Health and top women's podcasts such as The MidLife Makeover Show to name a few. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Take a minute every day or once a week, look at yourself in the mirror, eye to eye, and get really real with yourself about how you're feeling. Be honest, be vulnerable with yourself and take that stillness. Nobody wants to be still, but you need to be still. That's where your answers come from. It'll be uncomfortable, but you can do it. You can do hard things.Lesley Logan 0:23  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:01  All right, Be It babe. We are going to talk perimenopause, periods and our bodies, and specifically, like listening to our bodies. And I am obsessed with our guest today. It will not be the last time I have her on the pod, for sure. Bria Gadd is here. She is the period whisperer, and she is someone who really is diving in on a on a holistic level, but like with tons of research and information and and really taking in herself and with hundreds of clients that she's worked with. And so this is really fun, educational, informational, and lots of great tools, things you can do on your own once you listen to this based on what you need. So here is Bria Gadd. Lesley Logan 1:11  All right, Be It babe, we are about to have an amazing conversation on a topic I have been wanting to have on this podcast for years. I'm very excited about it. I'm so excited our guest is here because she's amazing. She's the one and only period whisperer. Bria Gadd, can you tell everyone, I'm gonna kind of let them know, but can you tell everyone what you rock at?Bria Gadd 2:00  Thank you, Lesley, first of all, I love I'm super loving your podcast these days. I love what you bring, how you show up for people like I felt super inspired, and we actually had you on my podcast. And you should know that I have been actively searching for, like, a great Pilates studio with the certifications you told me about. So I'm really inspired by you, and I'm sure everyone listening already knows and loves your podcast, but I hope they go review it if they haven't. Lesley Logan 2:26  Aw thank you. Bria Gadd 2:27  Yeah, I'm excited to be here. Thank you. And yeah, I am a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition practitioner, you know, personal trainer, but really, I specialize in female hormones, so my whole goal and purpose is to help women better understand their bodies so that they can thrive and live out their dreams in midlife and beyond.Lesley Logan 2:47  I am obsessed with this topic lately because, you know, I'm really grateful I had friends who are well 10 plus years older than me, so they were like singing the perimenopause warning symbols well before I needed to hear them, which is great, because I could go in with research and information, like, first, like, sign, a potential symptom. I could, like, take some autonomy and some agency into like, what am I doing? What is this? What are my options, right? But I actually feel like, for generations, women's bodies, we have not been told information about them. I mean, the crappy little video that they teach you in the sixth grade, or maybe it was the fifth grade, right? That's like, the last time, that's the first and last time. Because I actually did AP science, biology, they don't talk about any of this stuff in schools ever, unless it's like you're, you're a specialty, and even then, I wonder, you know, so it's like you're kind of like, at the mercy of what your doctor knows, and you start to feel crazy because there's, there's symptoms of things that have, not that have, that might not appear to have anything to do with your female reproductive organs. So can you chat a bit about what we should know about our bodies? I mean, that's a big topic, but like, you know, with the women that you work with, like, what do we need to know? Because being it until you see it, it's completely tied to how we feel.Bria Gadd 4:01  Yeah, for sure, I love this, and I am going to disrupt some things, I think, a little bit here, because, I mean, look, seven years ago when I started entering into this magical age box, which, for everyone, begins around 35 right? It's like a reverse puberty. I mean, you could not define, I didn't, nobody even knew what the word perimenopause was, and now it is like shoved down your throat. You cannot scroll social media without seeing something about hormones or perimenopause or menopause, which I think is a wonderful thing on one hand. But what I like to kind of really explain, after now working with hundreds of women and kind of going through my own journey, is that perimenopause, as I said, like your reverse puberty, is really just the retiring of your ovaries. And do not get me wrong, they're a major player. They're a big support player in our body, and when they retire, that obviously causes a lot of stress. I really think about it like, you know, if you were working in a corporate, you know, land and one of your, like, best colleagues. Who does a boatload of work for you just is starts to retire. I mean, that puts a lot more pressure on the other people in the department. Lesley Logan 5:07  Brilliant. Love that description. I can feel that I've lost an assistant before, and I'm like, Oh, we can handle this. It's like, hold on, how long does it take to book a flight? Bria Gadd 5:15  Yeah. So like, all transitions, right? There's more workload happening in the body. You know, everyone understands this, if you're, you know, getting married, getting divorced, changing jobs, moving locations. We understand transition. Costs more energy and doesn't really provide more. So, you know, I think on on a macro level, that's really what's happening in our body. Now, if that was the only thing going on through a few months, you know, of hiring a new person or trying some hormone replacement therapy that would resolve the issue. And here's where I think a lot of women don't understand, and it took me a while to get there, is that this? I think what perimenopause really is, it feels like a burden, but it's like the gift we we didn't know we needed. It's like a measuring stick for where your body is at, I think so that you get uncomfortable enough to do the work to change and then, like, live the next four decades feeling fabulous. I mean, I don't know about you, but I plan to live to 100 and I'm almost 44 so I got decades left. I wanna feel great, right?Lesley Logan 6:21  Yeah, yeah. Well, and I think, like, I think there's right, I grew up in the in the age of, like, my period, like, this thing, of, like, we should, like, it's an annoyance. Don't talk about it. Make sure no one knows you're on it. I don't know why the tampons are in crinkly paper, anyways. Like, you know what I mean, anyways. But it could just be under like, paper and it would be biodegradable, but that's my like, all these different things, right? And so then you get to perimenopause, it's like another thing to hate. And that is all this stuff we don't like about our bodies when, because of all this information is out there. You know, I got to listen to this one woman who talked about how incredible the period is, and how it's, like, taking all these toxins out of your body and like, how you should, like, it's a sign of health all these different things, like, when it's consistent and on time, it's a sign of, like, what your health is and what's going on your body. And I was like, Oh, well, then we should just welcome every time it comes. I'm like, Well, this is a good thing, but to your point, like, we are going to transition, and it does put us in a different stage, and it is a rewiring of the brain, from what I've understood, like, with the way the our bodies have to work with different hormones and different types of it, but to get mad about it, oh, now I got a hot flash. Like, we're, we haven't ever been raised to like, love what is so uniquely different about our bodies.Bria Gadd 7:32  And that's a human thing, right? What do we all hate? Things we don't understand? I mean, it's just a normal thing for us to push back the things. And I really think about, I mean, listen, women weren't required to be a part of medical research until the mid 1990s so if you're in my age box of being born in like, the 70s or 80s, everything you have ever operated on has been adviced for men, yep. So we're working on strategies. So it's like learning the language of the female body is like learning Latin. No one speaks it. No one teaches it. I mean, we're getting more and more teachers now, which I think is super exciting, but you're trying to learn a language that no one is speaking that's very difficult for us.Lesley Logan 8:09  Yeah, and also, the people who are finally ringing the alarm bells, there's very limited scientific research, they have to go with a lot of anecdotal stuff, which is fine, like, I don't have a problem with that, because we need something, because it does take time to do research, but it is also hard. And I, and I, you know, you kind of alluded to this in the beginning. It's like, if you open up your Instagram account, there's a million things. Oh, you're perimenopausal, you need a weight vest. Oh, weight vest, don't do anything. Oh, you're perimenopausal, you need more protein. Oh, you don't cold plunge. Do cold plunge. Like, for the record, I love my cold plunge. Luckily, my husband does not like it too cold. And so as a woman, it says like, you shouldn't cold punch, but you can cold punch to like, 49 Guess what? That's what it's at. And I'll fucking breath it. And it works for my body right now. And I think it's but you just open it up and it's like, do this, don't do that. It's so difficult to know what to do. And then, on the top of that, you weren't ever raised to know your body.Bria Gadd 9:03  Yeah, in fact, we were raised to look outside of our body for approval, to decide what to do about our body. And that's, I think, the rub here, Lesley, for everyone, that's like, what has gotten us into what I think is the real problem for most women, which is not perimenopause, it's something I like to call health debt. And health debt is when the energy you supply your body, which is through sleep and nutrition and joy and purpose, right, no longer meets the energy demand of your body. And we've been probably in this deficit for a lot of our lives as women, but now, but one, youth is forgiving, and two, now we have this added energy demand, perimenopause, so it just kind of cranks that deficit into such discomfort that now all of a sudden we have so many of these symptoms. And we know it's not just perimenopause, because again, if all it was is that your hormones are decreasing, we could take hormones, and that would fix it, but it's not. I talk to women all the time who are taking bioidenticals or hormone replacement therapy, and it might work a little, but it's just not doing the they don't feel great, and I think that's because we're in this health debt, and we're in that debt because we've been operating on strategies for men, we're in that debt because we haven't paid attention to what our body says to us. You know, we're in that debt because maybe we, you know, aren't breaking down and absorbing things in our gut anymore. Maybe our adrenals are taxed from everything we've been through in the last two decades. You know. Maybe, you know, our liver is congested. Maybe our brain is putting on the brakes, on our thyroid hormone, like, until we dig deeper in to find the root cause, we can't really get out of that debt. And I think the problem for so many women and make what makes us like, really hate perimenopause, is the longer you stay in debt in health debt, it's like financial debt, it just compounds. Just compounds, compounds.Lesley Logan 11:00  Oh my God, you have the best analogies and metaphors. Not really sure which one it is. I'm so sorry, guys, I really did copy in English class. It just wasn't my thing. I like to read the books. I didn't want to learn all the words. But that makes so much sense, because it is interesting, right? Like, how some people can have a whole different experience than someone else, and you're like, What is going on? And I feel fortunate that, like, in my 30s, I had a digestive issue, problem that forced me to, like, take some actual stock of like, Oh, I am not sleeping enough. I am not absorbing the nutrition. We have to make massive changes so that, you know, two years ago, when I started having sleep issues again, I didn't like, go like go, I didn't go, oh well, it's just a bad night's sleep. No, oh hold on, yeah, two nights in a row, I didn't get good sleep. That's not normal for me, right? Like, and I don't think enough people, I think you're right. So many people have been operating on a on a health debt for so long that lack of sleep is normal for them, yeah, and just because it's common doesn't mean it's normal, right? And so that I love that idea. Like, you know, if you're in a health debt, it does compound how perimenopause is going to feel because you don't have enough to give it. And like, if bioidenticals aren't working for you, it might be a sign that you need other things, you know. Bria Gadd 12:18  100% and I mean, as a functional practitioner, I feel very strongly that we shouldn't just go blindly try things. Yeah, there's, there's a lot of reasons that can actually make things worse for us. But I love what you said there about, you know, kind of noticing in your 30s, like right away, or now right away, noticing what was starting to happen and jumping on it. Because you're right, it's not our fault. I don't think as women that we don't pay attention to ourselves. Again, culture puts us that way. Most women have been so busy doing 100 other things that they're just trying to kind of survive in advance. But that's why I think this is like your call to hone perimenopause. It's like before it gets too late, wake up, lady, like we need to listen to what our body is saying, and that's really what, because we don't know where the source of debt is coming from until we go digging. Like, that's why, you know, you get this confusing information. Like, everyone's like, eat more protein. Lots of women are eating more protein but not feeling any different. Why? Probably because their gut is not breaking down and absorbing the protein properly. This is a very common thing that I see, and then it's so frustrating because we think it's our fault. We're like, oh, something's wrong with me. I'm broken. And then shame spiral, right? Lesley Logan 13:29  Yeah, that shame. Oh, my God. Everyone listening knows the shame spiral. Okay, I think I have a question for the perfectionist and overachievers listening, listening to your body. Like, what are they should be listening for, you know, like, let's like, are they are like, what are the KPIs or biomarkers, or, like, what are some things like that they should because I again, like most of when listen this, are over 40. They're doing they're in that sandwich generation as well. They've got elderly parents who are still alive, causing drama. They got kiddos, and if they don't have kiddos, they're single women, working for themselves, so they're their own income source, right? Like, so they're exhausted, so, yes, they're tired. And so is that the only what are the other signs that they could be like, looking at their health, debt, or listen to their body?Bria Gadd 14:13  Listening to their body, yeah, I mean, I think like to try to make it super clear for the for the type errors, like, what's out there? Like, if whatever symptoms you are having is impacting your life more than 20% of the time you're in debt Period. End of the story. I think that's a really great measure.Lesley Logan 14:28  I love this bright line, yes, 20%. You guys thatBria Gadd 14:34  So like, that's four times a week, or, like, four, you know, in a way, I think about it right. If you think about it in nutrition, for example, we eat three meals a day. That's 21 meals in a week. You know, 20% of 21 is about 3.75 so, like, let's call it four times a week, where you're like, Oh, crap, I'm not sleeping well four times a week or, I mean, probably three times a week would be enough. You know, I can't get through the afternoon without like, brain fog or needing caffeine or needing sugar. You know, I can't get through my workout, or I'm not getting results from my workouts anymore, like big signs from your body. Like, let's not waste our time here. Let's step back and get out of debt so that we can get back to investing energy where we want it to go.Lesley Logan 15:15  I like that. I think that was a great, easy thing for people to think about, 20% of the time, and then it's disrupting your week. You are in health debt. And I think where people are going to struggle is like, well, if I'm having trouble sleeping, it's not like I just sleep more. Because some people it's not like they're going to bed too late, you know, like, you know, like I go to bed at the same time. And when I do have a bad night's sleep, it's so frustrating because I'm like, I set aside enough time to sleep, I woke up three times. You know it happens for me, it is typically, usually the night before my period. No matter what progesterone I take, no matter what supplements I take, it's just the night before my body is like, we're just having a rough time staying asleep. I've got at least a cycle to it, but it's not four times a week. But I guess, like, what I'm saying is, like, for the people who who are struggling, like they're committing to getting the sleep or eating well, who should they go to? Because you go on, you can get with your doctor sometimes first, like, what are they looking for?Bria Gadd 16:13  Yeah, no, it's a great question. I think, like, I was one of those people. I mean, I had been a personal trainer and nutrition coach for like, 10 years, and all of a sudden, I'm like, what is happening to my body? And, I mean, when I look back now, I'm like, Oh, I was like, all of a sudden having anxiety in my life. My periods got really heavy. You know, I was having this, like, weird, twitchy eye thing for a long time, I wasn't getting results from my workouts. In fact, I hadn't changed anything, but I was gaining weight. It took until my sleep, like, totally tanked, where I was waking up every night in a sweat for me to actually be like, Oh, maybe something's wrong. Hit yourself over the head with it. But I did go to my doctor, and she was wonderful. Asked all the questions, did all the lab work but she kind of looked at me, Lesley, and was like, Bria, you're the picture of health. I mean, then that's when you start to think, oh my gosh, I'm crazy. It's in my head, like, and then I also thought, like, that was 30 I was 37 so I'm like, if this is 37 and this is the picture of health, like, I'm not down for the next 37 years. Like, it does not sound fun for me. So to answer your question, that was a long way, sorry. Lesley Logan 17:14  No, you're good. Bria Gadd 17:15  I always think it's important that women understand doctors have an important role, but their job is to test and look for physical problems in your body. If you do not feel well, and you do not have a physical problem because your doctor says you're fine, it's a functional problem. It's way before, like, way before we have, you know, like, have to have a hysterectomy from really heavy periods and endometriosis. There is a hormone imbalance, there's a function imbalance, and it can be there for a long time before we get to that piece. Way before people are diagnosed with hypothyroidism, there is a conversion issue in the thyroid. So, and that's what our doctors aren't testing and looking at. So I really strongly believe that a big part of owning your health as a woman these days, in this landscape when we're uneducated, is working with a functional practitioner and getting to know the function of your body and your numbers now, where they're at, when you feel good, if you can, and if not, when you feel bad. So we can repair that function so that we don't get to that point.Lesley Logan 18:17  Okay, I love this. So now my next question is, because when I was on your show, we talked about like, how to find a good Pilates instructor, how to make sure you got a real Pilates instructor? And I think, like the way the algorithms work, whether it's YouTube, Instagram, Tiktok, the moment you start looking up stuff about your body, you could end up down a rabbit hole of people who don't pay attention to science. So how do we make sure that we get, aside from just looking up you how do we make sure that people like, what are the signs that someone's a true functional practitioner, like, and not, you know, just go do some tallow. And I don't know, I'm not really sure. Like, there's a lot of weird stuff out there. You're like, is that where we should all be going?Bria Gadd 19:01  Yeah, for sure. I totally, I love that. I've never been asked this question before, so I really love it. Lesley Logan 19:06  Because, like, because my mom, like, sends me something. She's like, you know, she like, sent me this one thing. I was like, oh, yeah, totally, I agree with that. My my MD, who also does Eastern medicine, agrees with that. And then to the next thing, I'm like, Okay, so I'm gonna push back on this one, Mom, I don't know what algorithm you're on, but like this, this thing is a little bit, you know, and then the next thing, she's sending me like, okay, you are, you need to change your algorithm. You are now on the wrong side of the internet. Bria Gadd 19:29  I'm curious about what those things were. Lesley Logan 19:31  Oh, yeah. Talk offline.Bria Gadd 19:35  Yeah, it's, there's, and I understand that it's challenging one. I feel very strongly like get on a free call with someone. I really think, you know that's the landscape, because, yes, a good, functional practitioner should, should always be working with you on like lifestyle and nutrition. First and foremost, they're the bedrock. And anything that comes up in a lab and any protocol, whether it's supplement or hormones or peptides, not really going to work if we don't have these foundations. So make sure that that's a part of the protocol, that they're trained, either holistically or with nutrition, so that we're dealing with that as the foundation of your health. But I think you know when you get on a call with someone, because I think that's important, and you know, you want to understand if they can actually order the labs and explain the labs for you. So sometimes, when I hop on a call with someone, I'll actually pull up my labs, because those are the only ones I can share and go over, like, what we're going to learn in there. Because I think I end up working with a lot of people who have ordered labs online themselves or through something, but they don't know how to read it or, like, they're just getting a written response when really, I think labs are so about customization to what you're feeling in your body. Like, why are you not sleeping well half of the month, Lesley, you know what I mean? Is it a blood sugar issue? Is it your thyroid? Like, where are the little kinks in the, you know, in the pipelines of energy, that's kind of making it harder for us to get there, especially if you are taking progesterone, for example, does that make sense?Lesley Logan 21:10  I love this because I like that, like, first of all, they should be, like, looking at lifestyle and nutrition first. Because before you just, like, add supplements, you could just be putting a band aid on a problem, and so you're not solving the source. Bria Gadd 21:20  Or wasting your money. Lesley Logan 21:22  Yeah, oh my gosh. And also wasting your money, because also, some of the supplements guys don't even have the things that they like. It's like, you got to be careful. You got to you got to be mindful. And and I love the supplements that I'm on, but I'm on specific ones after, like, doing some real research on, like, is my my room, the temperature, it needs to be like, okay, is it as quiet as I need to be? Is it? What do I need? How do I sleep the best so that I'm setting myself up for success? Then it's like, okay, now we can try some of this up. Otherwise we're just it's not working.Bria Gadd 21:55  Yeah, I love that. And what you do there is so important. Is that, again, it's this kind of self assessment. Like, okay, like, let's hold on a hot minute. Like, am I at least creating the space for my sleep? Like, going to bed at an appropriate hour, not staring at screens before I go? Am I just creating the space before I start, you know, testing out all these supplements to see if they're going to make that difference or not? Because we I think sleep is one of those things that's so hard to control, and the more you try to control it, it like, slips through your fingers like water. Lesley Logan 22:17  I understand what you're saying. You know, it's so funny. You just brought up, you guys, I was totally on my screen last night. I didn't have to walk my dog, wasn't here, and I was like, 1,000% like, I want to look at these reels and just like, laugh. So I fucked my own self up. That was me. It's really funny. We forget that we did that. Like, Oh, I have a no screen rule, and I usually walk my dog so I'm not on my screen an hour before bed and it's dark outside and I didn't do those things.Bria Gadd 22:51  I'll get into habits like on my last Dutch which is like a good functional lab that helps you understand not just your sex hormones, but your adrenal hormones, your cortisol pattern, the clearance and detoxification of your hormones, which I think is so important, I could see this elevation of my cortisol at night, which is now called like a like dysfunction in your HPA axis. And I'm like, I know exactly what that is. I was watching like The Walking Dead for all 11 seasons over like two years. So I'm watching this show before I go to bed, I'm like binding up my cortisol. And I'm like, why am I not sleeping well?Lesley Logan 23:25  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really, you know, like we have a rule at this house. Like, my husband loves to cook, and obviously, like, I could take responsibility there, but he sometimes cooks late, and like, we're Spaniards or something. And, you know, and I am like, I just, I need you to cook earlier, or I need to eat by myself, like, so I can take responsibility if you don't want to cook until 7:30 because that's when you got home. And 7:30 means you go to the store, whatever, like, maybe I need to go, okay, what can I make myself right now and then? Just sit with him while he eats. Because if I eat too late and I go to bed, I have a really rough time falling asleep. And that's normal. It's not like, oh, I should call my doctor. No, I didn't set myself up for success for what I need. And I think that like to your point in taking time to understand what your health debt is and understand like, what your lifestyle so I love that you said that the person you're talking to should want to touch those things first, because, if you you know, like, and yes, there should be labs. And yes, you can look at them and go, that's because of these things. But like, what are you currently doing? What is your current habit?Bria Gadd 24:32  Yeah, and I think where it's so helpful to get help is to recognize that we all don't have cookie cutter lives. You know, some of you know when, when you work, how you work, how much you work. You know what your family dynamics are like, what your partner support is like, like, all of these things really play a role in how we're able to change and create foundational habits, and what those habits are for you. And at the same time, like the people always want to know, like, what should I eat? How much should I eat, I'm like, I don't know your body knows. So we need to take the time, and what I think you've already done so well is like, what is good for me? And it's not like a magical answer, it's trial and error to kind of figure this out for yourself and maybe for you and I, being in the wellness industry, maybe that's been a little bit easier, because it is a priority for us. But so if you're someone who that's not, you're not in the wellness industry, and you cannot seem to do this for yourself. I mean, get some help. Like, that's what a practitioner should do, is help you nail the customization for yourself.Lesley Logan 25:34  I think that like and having patience and not trying 17 things at once ladies, so, like, don't start with a new trainer and a new functional medicine person and a new this at the same time. You got to, like, be kind yourself. It's really not the easiest thing to start a bunch of new things at the same it doesn't work. It's overwhelming, and then you don't know what's working.Bria Gadd 25:53  The analytics are hard because there's no constant, right? When you think about like I was, science wasn't my favorite thing in school, although I love more of it so much now, but you know, you have to have, like, a constant with the variable. So, like, you need to know what the solid things are and what the thing you're testing is, to know if it works, and you're right. Like, we didn't get here into health debt overnight. So getting out of debt is going to take a little bit of time. Always worth it. It's always worth it. Lesley Logan 26:21  Yeah, okay, I want to just in case, like, you know, I think that we all know that your Instagram account is full of everything about perimenopause, but just in case people are being because I do think people get a little misled or inundated with, what are some of the we talked about, 35 is this start point, probably for most people, what are some of there's the common symptoms that everyone knows about. What are some of the non common symptoms that could be that they're in perimenopause, and then maybe, if you have time, like, how can we address it a little bit differently than just, like, Oh, I gotta go. Now I'm perimenopausal. This is where I'm at. Like, how do we, like, welcome it in and, like, take care of ourselves for it?Bria Gadd 27:02  Yeah. So I would say uncommon symptoms are, like, frequent urination, things like that, or it might start any type of incontinence. So if you're waking up a lot in the night to pee, or, you know, that can be a really sign. Again, for me, I mentioned, like, I had this weird Twitch, like in my eye. And again, it wasn't perimenopause, but it's just that it just kind of, it was, like, likely how my life had always been going from my it was my adrenals actually off, but you add this all of a sudden challenge of your hormones shifting and like, oh boy. Like, this is a part of it. I mean, libido is always a quick one to go, but I think that's pretty common for people, Restless Leg Syndrome, you know, hair loss or changes in your hair and skin, that can all be a part of this time. But I think, like the real symptoms of hormones kind of decreasing, we really, if that's all again, that's going on for you, yeah, you might start to have a bit more trouble sleeping. Yeah, you might find a little bit more brain fog, and maybe not quite have the same energy and not quite have the same ability to repair after a workout. Yes, your libido might go down, because our sex hormones are really big part of our libido. But again, I think that if it's something that becomes consistent, like any of these things, that if they start impacting your life, so that you can't live the way you were living, that's when we know. One, it's time for help. And two, it's likely more than just perimenopause. It's not great. We can try some hormones, and then we should be feeling significantly better to navigate this transition.Lesley Logan 28:34  I love that reminder that, like it's quite possible that's not like the perimenopause is happening, but it's really shining a light on the other places in our bodies that we haven't been taken care of because we can't. I was just talking about with my client, actually, this is really funny, not funny, haha, but just, like, interesting. I was just talking about how, like, oftentimes, people are pushing themselves so much so that when something bad happens, they don't have enough in the tank to handle their life and the something bad happening, but if they had been taking care of things to the best that they could, so that when shit hits the fan, they could handle the shit and, like, the other plates don't fall down, right? But like, so that's the same thing, like perimenopause happens, and because they're already running on empty, all these other things are happening too. Yeah. Bria Gadd 29:20  Yeah, it's, it's the biggest reminder to learn how to work smarter, not harder. And I think a lot of us, especially women, have gotten by and gotten the success we have in the first half of our life by hustling, hustling hard, and it has come at a cost. So we need to start to learn and adapt different ways that prioritize the foundations of our health, so that, like we so that, yeah, a big wind storm comes in, or a tsunami.Lesley Logan 29:47  Yeah, I know you guys just had a crazy windstorm. Bria Gadd 29:50  Oh, yeah, we did. It wasn't, I mean, maybe it was crazier near the airport. It wasn't as crazy near what, where I was, but, yeah, anyway. But I think that's what happens. Like, we're going through life, and then life is going to have storms. It's just is, and we really don't want it to knock us over. We want to have the foundations of our health in place. So you kind of ask, like, you know, what are I think? What are those foundations? Or, you know, where do we go? Okay, now I know I'm in health debt, what is my first step? And I'll try to cut through some of the noise for people to give them, like, what I think of as like kindergarten, basics that we should be focused on and haven't been in our health to get us out of debt, right? Like, just same thing with like financial, you know, basics that we need to do. So one, we have kind of four pillars of our health that we all know pretty well we looked out to, like the Wild Kingdom of animals. And they all, they do all these things every single day. So we need to bring this back. We do it for our kids. We do this for our pets. One we gotta hold space for our sleep. We've already kind of talked about that. So, you know, making sure you are creating and really, the reality is, most women do need eight hours, like you can get away with seven here and there. But we do for the average need that eight hours. Again, everyone's a little different, but hold space and be consistent with it. Try to be as consistent as you can. Again, 80% is enough with when you go to bed, what you do before you go to bed, when you wake up, and what you do when you wake up. And obviously we know watching stressful shows at night or screen scrolling is not ideal for your adrenal hormones to help you sleep. Okay, so we want to hold that space and be consistent with it like we do for babies. Nutrition is the next one. So I think before we even worry about how much protein and how many carbohydrates, let's just have some consistency to our nutrition. Treat your body like a baby when you wake up, we need to eat within two hours of waking. We need to eat four and a half to five or four to four to five hours later. We need to eat four to five hours later. If you have to go longer, have a snack. Your food, the amount of food you eat should really keep you full and satisfied for four to five hours. So if you eat breakfast and you are hungry or anxious or exhausted before four and a half to five hours, you haven't eaten enough, or it's not the right fuel mixture. Right there. It's really, really simple to get to that. So you can play with that. You can then say, Okay, let's try more protein at this meal, specifically, because everyone's a little different. So at the very least, we want consistency in our nutrition. And I mean, this is not new news to everyone when we're trying to get out of debt, and food is one of our biggest suppliers of energy, like our currency, our salary, we could call it in that example. So make sure the food you're eating provides your body with more energy than it taketh away, right? And that's, so like, let's take be real about your food. You know, if you are eating processed foods, sugar, gluten, conventionally raised, dairy, you know, some of the heavy hitters, alcohol, right? If you're doing this more than 20% of your week, it's costing your body way more than it's providing, like, it's not even not, here's a double negative for you, English. It's not even that you're not going to get the energy you need right now, but it's creating inflammation in your body. So now, all of a sudden, the energy supply isn't getting where we need to go, and now we have a greater demand. So we got to get really real with our nutrition, that way, for kind of basic health debt. I really feel strongly that women need to be prioritizing movement, functional movement, over fitness. And we talked about this a bit when we interviewed you. So like walking, yoga, Pilates, like Pilates is a really great one, especially for those like type A women who really need to feel a workout, but we need to do something that literally is not calling on cortisol so significantly in your body, but is still moving the body in some ways. So before you start like lifting heavy weights and calling on cortisol on your body, or doing your CrossFit or any high intensity interval training, are you at least moving your body enough in a day so that it has what it needs for lymphatic drainage and for, you know, oxygen coming in and just overall functional movement. And I think that's a big one for women, is that we're out there, like, brushing it in our workout, and then we're tanked in the afternoon. It's like, three you just used a credit card to get something done when you don't have money.Lesley Logan 34:16  And that's like, you know, I realize, like, some of these things we talk about, some of the fitness, it's like, it can be inaccessible financially to have a personalized fitness program for you. That being said, be really mindful then if you are, oh, I have to go to a studio for my fitness classes. Then you got to pay attention to where you are in your cycle, if you can track it still, because that workout wasn't tailored to you, and you're going at the time that they're giving you. So I have a trainer I love to lift weights. This particular week is not the week for me to push as heavy as possible. So I had to go, Okay, what other things can I take off the plate? Because I still want to do the training that she provided, right? So I was supposed to film this week. I was like, we're not filming this week. I either can film or I can do these training sessions. I can't do both. So I was like, we're not filming also, I don't need a fucking camera right now. I don't want to be on a camera right now. So I'm going to honor that I don't want to be on camera right now, we're gonna film a different day. Then she goes, like, you can take two to three minute rest between these. Guess what? I took three plus. I was like, three plus was a long workout, but I didn't stress myself out. So I could sleep well, so when I woke up the next day, I wasn't sore. The other thing is, is, like, on the weeks that I know that it's not a pushy week, I am taking the max time, and I am doing my sauna blanket, or I'm doing my red light, like, whatever I can to just keep things. So if you're going to a class that is, oh, this is when the class starts, when the class ends, and I've do whatever the class is designed, you have to take care of yourself other places, because you're, you're just going to be in health debt. It's just not, it's gonna be fun. And when I learned that about my cycle, I was already like, like, you know, always hard on the same day, but the symptoms before my cycle completely changed, which was, like, amazing. I was like, Oh, I was in control the whole time.Bria Gadd 36:10  Yeah, I love that, you so, because what, exactly what you did there is, you're like, I can't afford both of these right now. So which one is my priority, and how do I make up some extra money, you know. And I think money energy is giving here, so. Lesley Logan 36:24  Yeah, oh, thank you. Well, thanks for validating that.Bria Gadd 36:27  And I'll just think real finally, like, onto that kind of the foundations, those kindergarten foundations, you know, you've got sleep, movement, nutrition, stress management and, or really, I mean, I, what I'd like to call it is joy, right? Like, joy is the most underrated, but like, 10x opportunity for you to provide energy for your body. Everyone can think of a time when, whether they were falling in love and, like, weren't hungry, couldn't could stay up all night talking on the phone, or, you know, went to a concert and just like, felt so amazing because of the energy we know that joy provides, you know, energy, however, if you're so stressed, like, everyone knows if they're stressed, like, we can't orgasm and we can't take a joke, so it's like, we need to find ways to relieve that stress in some ways. So whether you're someone who can take a few deep breaths, or whether you're someone who needs to, like, go scream into a pillow, like, you gotta get that out daily, so that you have space for pleasure and joy, because it's one of the biggest energy currencies for your body.Lesley Logan 37:28  I love the sign you can't take a joke and you can't have an orgasm. Because I think we all like, yeah, can't take a joke. There's a sign, ladies, you are not.Bria Gadd 37:38  If you can't take a joke and you haven't orgasmed in a while, you're likely in health debt.Lesley Logan 37:45  I love you so much. Okay, we're gonna take a brief break. Yeah, find out how people can find you. Follow your work with you. Lesley Logan 37:52  All right, Bria, where do you hang out? Are you on Instagram? Which website? Where's all the places people can go?Bria Gadd 37:58  Yeah, so I do hang out a lot on Instagram, which is @Bria_period_whisperer or come check out The Period Whisperer Podcast, anywhere you listen to your podcast. I think those are some of the best places to catch me. You'll find a website there anyway. Lesley Logan 38:12  Yeah. Also, like, go nerd out. Is this a topic like, this could be your hobby for a little bit everybody like, there's a you know what? Like, it's easier to get information from one great source than like from a bunch of sources that you're like, I'm not really sure why this is my feed. So go, go check her out. Okay, you've given us a ton of great tips already, but bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?Bria Gadd 38:35  Okay, number, I'm going to tell you to do all the things that you're not doing as a woman, get ready. Three very clear things. One, you have to slow down and be still. And the action step is like, take a minute every day or once a week, look at yourself in the mirror, eye to eye, and get really real with yourself about how you're feeling. Be honest, be vulnerable with yourself, and take that stillness. Nobody wants to be still, but you need to be still. That's where your answers come from. It'll be uncomfortable, but you can do it. You can do hard things. Number two, start with the foundations. Everyone wants to like, skip on up to university before we've done these kindergarten basics, do the basics. If you can't do the basics, you know it's time for my third action step, which is ask for help. Again, women are terrible at asking for help. They're terrible at being still, they're terrible at starting from the ground, and they're terrible at asking for help. But it is exactly like the obstacle is the way. It's exact things that you need to do first to start digging yourself out of debt so that you can increase your energy and invest that in anything you want to be investing it in in midlife and beyond.Lesley Logan 39:43  I love these so much. Also, like asking for help, ladies, I'm just gonna tell you right now, feels really weird because you're like, oh my god, I should I know? Like you feel like I don't. I don't want people to know I don't have I know how to do the thing I'm asking for help for everybody knows you can do it. Somebody wants to do that. That's the job that they want to have, you know, like, my amazing assistant, like, does all these amazing things for me, because it allows her to do things that she loves it to do, you know, so, like, just remember that, like, when you're not asking for help, you might be taking away someone else's opportunity to have joy, because that's what their strengths lie in. So you're stealing joy from other people by not asking for help, I'm just gonna. Bria Gadd 40:22  Stop stealing other people's joy.Lesley Logan 40:24  You know, some ladies are so good at feeling guilty, let's use a little guilt to motivate you and ask for some help. Bria Gadd 40:32  Thank you. Lesley Logan 40:34  Oh yeah, Bria, you're so great. This is so fun. We'll have to do this again sometime, because I'm sure there'll be next levels. We'll be on the other side of all of this, and we'll have more things to learn about our body, but I just adore you and what you're doing. Thank you so much. Everyone, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Make sure you let Bria know. Let the Be It Pod know. Share this with a female friend in your life who needs to hear it. We all have that friend who needs to slow down, take a minute and you know what, she won't know, that this is why you send it to her till right now, she'll just be getting great advice, and then right now she'll realize that you did it because she's not listening to you to slow down. So anyways, but it's all for love. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:13  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. 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As March comes to a close, Lesley Logan shares a powerful reminder that small acts of kindness can ripple far beyond what we imagine. After reading a heart-wrenching story about twelve competing florists who came together to create a yellow garden for a young girl with cancer, Lesley reflects on how collective compassion can transform even the hardest moments. She also celebrates listener wins, from launching new beauty products to stepping into brave self-care practices, while sharing her own milestone journey of teaching across Europe and celebrating ten years of marriage with Brad. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:A touching story about Emma and the creation of a yellow flower garden.The reminder that small acts of kindness can ripple outward.Celebrating a listener win launching a chemical free beauty product.Navigating hosting anxiety while staying grounded through self care.Planning a month long European teaching tour and 10th anniversary trip.Episode References/Links:The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks - https://a.co/d/0c5LpzzYPilates Workshop (Bruges, Belgium) - xxll.co/brusselsPilates On Tour® (London, UK) - xxll.co/potThe Big Leap by Gay Hendricks - https://a.co/d/0c5LpzzYSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  It's Fuck Yeah Friday. Brad Crowell 0:01  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:02  Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:44  Hi Be It babe, we made it. We made it to the end of March. We're here. We did it. Hopefully you celebrated your wins along the way, and hopefully you sent them in, because that's what this episode's about. We can't wait to share your wins. Some inspiration. This inspiration. This is beautiful. This is like, I saw this. I cried when I read it. I cried when I shared it to Brad, because I was like, I have to show this Brad, and I'm gonna cry probably reading it to you. But I just think that, like, we need to know that there's good people doing good things out there in the world, and like, people doing what they can. And I think it's really important thing in being it until we see it and helping out the people around us and helping out humankind, we have to remember that it feels like a big problem if we try to do it all by ourselves, but if we just do what we can, and everyone's doing what they can, it all adds up. It changes the world. It really, really does. I was talking to my yoga teacher this morning before I started recording these and, you know, I convinced someone in my world to change, you know, how they are voting. You know, they were able to see the hypocrisy and things like that and like it can feel like, so like, like, it's one person, but it's also one person. If we all do it, check us out. Anyways, this is the inspiration. So this is from @shady_et and we basically compile collections of kind stories. So this is not their story, but the story that they compiled. So it said, the person says, I work at Petals and Stems a flower shop downtown. This man came in Tuesday morning, suit, tie, crooked, tie crooked eyes, red. My daughter, she's six, cancer. She's dying maybe a week left, and she loves yellow. He started crying right there in front of the daisies. I made him tea. What's her name? Emma. We bring her flowers every day at the hospital. It's the only thing that makes still makes her smile. After he left, I called every flower shop in the city. 12 shops. Told them about Emma. The next morning, I drove to the hospital with my car full of yellow flowers. When I got there, 11 other florists were already waiting, fans lined up, arms full of yellow we filled Emma's room every surface, the windowsill, the floor, the nurse's station, the hallway, yellow everywhere. Emma opened her eyes and smiled. It's a yellow garden like heaven. We stayed. All 12 florists sat in the hospital room just being there. One brought a guitar. Another read Emma a story. Emma died three days later, surrounded by yellow flowers and strangers who loved her anyway. At her funeral, every florist donated arrangements. Her dad told everyone about the day the flower shops came. Emma thought she was in heaven already. She was right. Okay, hold on, I'm gonna get this out. Now, every year, on Emma's birthday, all 12 shops close for an hour. We bring yellow roses to the pediatric ICU, fill the rooms, sit with the families. We call it Emma's garden. I can't but like, how cool. So, like, don't ever underestimate the power of what you can do. You know, like, just, just being kind and thoughtful. It took a phone call, and now they get together every year and they do this. So anyways, woo, beautiful stuff. Okay, so I'm smiling and crying because I just picture how wonderful it is for that little girl that she got to experience that, and then all the kids would get to because of her. Love for them. Lesley Logan 0:44  So, now I have to deal with your wins. What a great transition. Here we go. This one is from @be_more_betty, my wins, just launched my second chemical free beauty product, and one of my fave stores is taking it on. Also, braved the sauna and C session, fucking cold, especially on the feet, yeah, uh huh. But I had the best night's sleep ever trying to fill my cup as I'm hosting event next weekend, trying to stay grounded. Anyone else could still get anxious over hosting events. Always because you care. Because if you care, you're gonna get a little anxious, and then Gay Hendricks just says, if you exhale and inhale correctly, that anxiety will turn into excitement. So just little tip for you. Thank you, @be_more_betty, thanks for sharing your wins. Way to take action, and also way to go get caught in cold. I mean, that is a thing I want to do someday in that, like actual ocean, not just my cold plunge, I do my cold punch, but also, you know, we'll get there. We'll get there. Lesley Logan 2:16  Okay, my win. I'm almost on my second honeymoon, actually. So Brad and I are in Belgium right now teaching. It's really quite fun. I've never taught here before, so it's really fun to be amongst friends. And it's a couple years in the making, making this happen, and it's just really beautiful and wonderful. And we had a great trip on our weekend over here. But Brad and I are taking our second honeymoon, which happens to be 10 years almost to the date of our first honeymoon. Another win packed into this. It's like, I no longer am going to, like, go back and forth to Europe, like I I do it once, and I'm just going to be there for a month, and I'm just going to do it. And so we packed this trip in Poland, then Belgium, then our little break, and then we're ending the trip in London for POT London. And so there's a few wins in there. And just like it took a lot of planning, took a lot of coordinating with lots of different people and putting ourselves out there and all these things, but we did it, and we're going to enjoy a week and a half just celebrating what we've done the last 10 years and all the work that we've been doing together in the last almost six years, that we've been just working together full time. And it's also because of all the things that you love and the things that you say you do. So this, this this trip, is like a big celebration, and we, it feels very communal, because we, we so appreciate the questions you send in, OPC members' feedback, Agency members' feedback, eLevate members' feedback, because it means that we get to keep growing ourselves to make it better for you. And we get to, we get to go work in Europe for a month, and that allowed us to have a little week to ourselves to explore our country. I've never been to. I'm actually gonna see France. Holy moly, that's another win, but I'll share more about those in our April FYFs.Lesley Logan 1:58   All right, let's get you on your way. Let's get you on your weekend. Let's get you to your next podcast. But first, let's get you a mantra. Love for myself is the root of respect. Love for myself is the root of respect. Yes, it is. All right, Be It babe. You know what to do. Send your wins in and your questions in to beitpod.com/questions, share this with a friend who needs to hear it and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 3:05  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 7:32  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 7:37  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 7:42  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 7:49  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 7:52  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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What if the secret to a well-behaved child isn't more control, but less? In this grounded and eye-opening recap, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down key takeaways from Gail Hugman, an educator with over 50 years of experience helping parents and children grow together. This episode challenges the traditional “because I said so” approach, offering a fresh perspective on how teaching executive function skills—like self-control and focus—can help kids take ownership of their actions. Whether you're navigating homework struggles or leading a team, this conversation offers tools to build responsibility and independence. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Explaining the "why" behind tasks improves cooperation and understanding.Children are intuitively born to grow and desire more responsibility.Transitioning from controlling children to teaching them internal self-control. Using natural consequences to help children process their own choices. The essential order for teaching executive function skills to children. Episode References/Links:Contrology Pilates Conference (Wroclaw, Poland) - xxll.co/polandPilates Workshop (Bruges, Belgium) - xxll.co/brusselsPilates On Tour® (London, UK) - xxll.co/potOPC Spring Training (Virtual Event) - opc.me/eventsGail Hugman's Website - https://www.lessonsalive.comCan Contemporary Pilates Be Done on Classical Equipment - https://beitpod.com/classicalequipmentWhat are the Best Pilates Books - https://youtu.be/JhBVaT2Umfw?si=ieeWA5_L-gvzrq5EBest Pilates Books from Lesley Logan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exampleEp. 262 with Adrian Koehler - https://beitpod.com/ep262Contrology Handbook by Sandy Shimoda - https://www.pilates.com/products/contrology-handbookGet to Know Joe Pilates by Cathy Strack - https://cathystrack.com/product/get-to-know-joe-pilatesGail Hugman's Website - https://www.lessonsalive.comGail Hugman's Books - theendlessbookcase.com If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! DEALS! https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentCheck out all our Preferred Vendors & Special Deals from Clair Sparrow, Sensate, Lyfefuel BeeKeeper's Naturals, Sauna Space, HigherDose, AG1 and ToeSox https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/memberships/perks/#equipmentBe in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlistBe It Till You See It Podcast Survey https://pod.lesleylogan.co/be-it-podcasts-surveyBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/Resources:Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gLesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQProfitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/Follow Us on Social Media:Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lesley.logan/The Be It Till You See It Podcast YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-gFacebook https://www.facebook.com/llogan.pilatesLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesley-logan/The OPC YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@OnlinePilatesClasses Episode Transcript:Brad Crowell 0:00  Listening to her stories, you know, she is intentional about giving people the tools, like you were just talking about the tools to develop as a child, to grow into the adult that joins the the pack, right, the society, right? And when you are empowering them with the tools, then they can make decisions that are logical and all those kinds of things, instead of just be like, I guess, like, like, think about it. If you're just like, do it. Why? Because I said so. What are you doing? You're actually, you're actually molding a human to always be told what to do.Lesley Logan 0:37  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:19  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the grounded convo I have with Gail Hugman. Hugman. Brad Crowell 1:27  Hugman. Lesley Logan 1:28  Yeah, that's right. I'm like, sorry, Gail. I know you're listening, but you know when you're like, oh, all of a sudden, hold on. Did I miss a G, H, whatever. Gail Hugman, she's fucking the best it was in our last episode.Brad Crowell 1:38  The two of you. So I listen everything on like, 2x speed. And if I could, I'd probably try to listen to it on 3x speed. And the two of you were like, giggle monsters.Lesley Logan 1:47  I'm obsessed with her. Like, I and I was like, when Brad came up, he was halfway through her interview, and he's like, this is amazing. And I was like, Oh, good, because I did go for a second going, am I about to, like, get all the parents to hate me out there, like, like, I don't want to be, because here's the deal, I understand, I don't have children. I get that. I don't understand the day to day. I can't even imagine the cell phone conversation I my kids. I'll just tell you right now, here's where I'd be. They would hate us. They would have a flip phone with those heavy batteries so big it wouldn't fit in their pocket. Like, no internet, you know, like, because there's so much research on, like, how it's, like, affecting people's ability to focus. So, like, this interview, to me, was so amazing, and we are buying all of her books for, sorry, Meredith and Kyle, you're getting them all.Brad Crowell 2:39  True, yeah, but actually, we had a chance to meet Gail in real life last year when we were in England, and it was so interesting. I was just chatting with her on the side of class, and the conversation was so like, she was so inspiring in the five minutes that we were talking that I was like, holy cow, you need to be a guest on Lesley's pod.Lesley Logan 3:02  Gail, I don't know if you believe in past life, but in a past life, I feel like we were family.Brad Crowell 3:07  Yeah, seriously. Well, I'm really, really glad that we were able to have Gail on, and I love that the very first thing that she said is, I don't think I fit the Be It mold, you know, and you two agreed that this would be inspiring the parents, for the kids, so that the kids can be it. Lesley Logan 3:25  I well, that's just it. I mean being it till you see it. Brad Crowell 3:28  I disagree with her in that she did break the Be It mold, but you know, I love the conversation. Lesley Logan 3:33  You don't think she broke them all? Brad Crowell 3:34  No, I think she was being it till she saw it all day, every day. You know like she was very innovative in her career. Fifty years as a teacher, y'all.Lesley Logan 3:42  Especially as she was talking about how she, like, got into what she's doing, it's a be it till you see it kind of a story. So Gail, so sorry you didn't. But also sorry, honey, didn't hate to break it to you. But also, I can't just have people who just tell me stories about themselves all day. We are four and a half. I would have five, almost five years in on this pod. Like crazy. I want to be entertained as well. I want to learn something, and sometimes it's bringing in experts who help us get to where we're going. You can't just be inspired all the time. You have to have information that you can integrate. So I really felt like that's what she did. But anyways, before we keep going and just complimenting Gail Hugman. Lesley Logan 4:19  Today is March 26th 2026 and it's wear a hat day. Brad Crowell 4:24  Wear a Hat Day. Lesley Logan 4:26  We celebrate Wear a Hat Day on March 26th is a fun and fabulous way to raise awareness for brain tumor research and raise funds while we're at it. The holiday was created as a way to get our heads and our hats together to advance research and find a cure for brain tumor so you don't need to have it affected to make a difference. We've got some ideas to get you ahead to this wear hat day. Do they? Did they give us any ideas? Brad Crowell 4:49  No. Lesley Logan 4:49  They didn't give us anything. No links. There's not a charity on this not further down. Okay, before we just start talking about a charity we have not researched, I highly recommend you Google in your area what local charities are doing with brain tumor research or state charities that are doing it because.Brad Crowell 5:08  Hold on, I'm going to read you more. Occurring in around 250,000 people global each year, we're still a long way to go in the study of brain tumors, but thankfully, due to science advances, scientific advances in the fields of chemotherapy and radiation, the survival rate is higher than ever before. Once, brain tumors meant the end of the unfortunate individuals who were who developed them. It wasn't until 1879 that a Scottish surgeon became the first person to successfully remove a brain tumor. His patient, young woman, fully recovered, and the tie was turned in the fight against the illness. So Wear a Hat Day is about brain tumors.Lesley Logan 5:42  You just said 1879. Brad Crowell 5:45  1879 Lesley Logan 5:46  Was there, so and also, you're not under anesthesia for brain tumors. You are awake. Brad Crowell 5:50  Could you imagine? Lesley Logan 5:51  Home girl was like, I'm gonna die. So you may as well open up my head. I trust you. They didn't even have I was but did we have pasteurization yet? Like, Oh my god. Like. Brad Crowell 6:02  I have no idea. Lesley Logan 6:02  Oh my god, definitely don't like brain tumors, but I am a little brave ass woman. Way to fucking go.Brad Crowell 6:08  So the scientific process that was developed though the following years meant a speedy advancement for understanding and treatment of the condition. The discovery of X rays meant that it became possible to locate tumors in the brain accurately through scanning, probably, instead of just cutting their head open, this has continued to be the best way to identify brain tumors ever since, and in the 70s, the development of computed tomography, or CT scanning, allowed physicians to see a clear image of the brain for the very first time. So it's only been 50 years that we've been able to actually see a vision like a full scan of the brain. But however, despite these significant advances in the last 150 years, there still is no fail safe cure for brain tumors. As a result, we get together on Wear a Hat Day to raise money and awareness for brain tumor research. Typically used as a form of protection from external elements. Hats are worn as a symbol of internal protection on this day as well. By talking more about this condition, we help each other to spot symptoms early on. By raising funds, we help support a scientist who are working on a cure.Lesley Logan 7:11  So we don't have any they didn't give us any charity just so, so go look one up. Okay, so go look one up. Here's the deal. There's someone in your life who has one. I have. My grandmother died of a brain tumor. Brad Crowell 7:21  She did. Lesley Logan 7:22  It's not genetic, so don't freak out when you hear that I have another family with a brain tumor. Brad Crowell 7:25  My grandmother almost died of a brain tumor. They were able to successfully remove it. And literally, it was as if she got 10 years younger during her recovery. It's crazy. Lesley Logan 7:35  Oh, my God. Oh, it was amazing. But my grandmother had one, and it was quite fast by the time we knew about it. And then my cousin, he's actually had brain tumors for almost 20 years. Maybe, I think we're at 20 years. They've done because of experiments and charities and and people raising money for research. He's actually been able to benefit from these experimental surgeries and and like ways of treating it, to shrink them. And so I just want to say, like, if you are looking for a cause, and this touches you because you know someone, you've heard about it, this is if we all have a cause. Just imagine, like, how many people get helped? So I think there's a lot of pressure on picking, like, I've helped everybody. No, you can just help one. But in any way there's, it touches all of us, and it's there's not always a rhyme or reason. So anyways, that's why we're wearing hats right now. Brad Crowell 8:22  That is why we're wearing hats right now. Lesley Logan 8:23  If you're watching on YouTube, if you're listening, we're wearing hats right now. Okay, Brad is wearing a podcast hat. Brad Crowell 8:29  I am. Lesley Logan 8:30  Last week we were in Poland, and I forgot that the 26th also we're, we'll be in Bruges. Oh, my God, it's gonna be so much fun. And, then. Brad Crowell 8:39  Yeah, we're probably in Amsterdam right now. That would be my guess. So maybe we're pulling into Bruges early. A night early. Yeah, possibly. Lesley Logan 8:47  It's gonna be so much fun with Karen Frischmann. It's a great time. And then we'll actually spend the after Bruges is over. We're actually about nine days in France. Then we're gonna pop on the train to London and you can check out and see if there's any tickets left at xxll.co/potlondon, super excited about that. I know that their Fridays and Saturdays are sold out, but there's some spots on Sunday, it's really worth going to. And by the way, we said in the last weekend, not sure we'll be back to Europe, guys, just got other places we got to see, too. Spring Training is a thing that anyone can join, and you'll be on plane two. You can actually join yeah, May. Brad Crowell 9:22  So after POT London. Lesley Logan 9:24  May 12th through the 17th, you can join from the comfort of your own Pilates space, wherever that is, all levels are welcome. Yes, the theme is about getting overhead. But we actually have people who will teachers on our team who do not do overhead exercises. We have a teacher on our team who are going to show you how, if you have, if you're in a larger body, booty abundance, chest abundance, like best ways to get overhead. And then we'll have hyper mobile teachers showing how you get overhead. And then we'll just be getting overhead, and you will have the tools you need to do the best thing for you. And that's the goal of spring training. So opc.me/events.Brad Crowell 9:58  Yeah, come join us. Before we get into it, though, with Gail, we had a question, so this is a bit of a long one. So bear with me here. Kendra @KennySwan on Instagram asks, Hey, Lesley, I watched your YouTube video on teaching contemporary on classical equipment. I'm a stat instructor. I've loved classical equipment, especially the Reformer. I would love to have classical equipment in my studio, but I've had some backlash from classical instructors that I'm quote, unquote not qualified to teach on classical equipment, so fuck the Pilates Blaze is what I would say. I don't think that's so crazy, though, sorry, I don't think that's so crazy though, any well trained instructor should be able to adjust for the equipment that they're using. I know there's some exercises that can't be done, not that many, really, though, right, like between the classical and contemporary. My question is, in your expert opinion, is it acceptable for a contemporary teacher to teach on classical equipment?Lesley Logan 10:51  Oh, my God, I. Brad Crowell 10:52  What the fuck. Lesley Logan 10:53  The fuck. First of all, just so you know, I hired many a contemporary trained teacher when I worked for Equinox. And guess what the equipment is? Classical. If you had to be able to manage it, don't, don't break it, but. Brad Crowell 11:06  I am so sad that that you've had classical instructors giving you a hard time, for even wanting to buy the equipment, they can just take a long fucking walk. That is so ridiculous.Lesley Logan 11:17  I know if you're a classical instructor who like, is like, can't believe this is how I'm answering. I we have to have a talk about the cult that you're in. I'm just gonna say it right now. I know that's not how you're supposed to help people out of a cult, but like, I teach on contemporary equipment all the time. Like, that's what I teach. I'm on a Pop Up Tour. You know what my classical instructor told me in my first training? She said, You need to make sure that you take the time to understand how to work on any piece of equipment you're at, because when you teach classically on different pieces of equipment, it will change the exercise. But you can't be limited to the equipment the studio has. So if you want to be a great instructor, you got to figure it out. And so every studio I ever went to, I would get on the equipment, I would make sure, I would figure what springs felt the same way. How do I set the ropes up so they feel the same way? I am so proud that I know how to do that, and no contemporary instructor says, Oh, she can't come in here. She doesn't know how to use these risers. She only uses the ropes on the bottom level. No one says that to me. So how dare these classical people say that? It grosses me out. So, just so, you know, anyone can buy equipment, just so we're clear, you don't have to be a trained person. Do I wish that people who call themselves teachers went through proper trainings? Fuck yeah, I do. I wish there was some sort of regulation making sure that, because there's a lot of people calling things polite that are not polite, like that's kind of where that comes from, that does not come from this. You're a trained person on how to teach. So here's the deal, Kendra, you've done the thing how to learn how to teach Pilates, right? Your first training taught you how to teach. Plus, it doesn't actually matter to me what it is. You can buy classical equipment. You can absolutely teach what you can translate over on the classical equipment. I don't think that's wrong. Sometimes you might need those tools in your tool belt for a client. And then you can, through my YouTube videos, through a lot of people's YouTube videos, teach yourself classical I do think you should read classical educated books. Not all of them are good. So here's a couple. We have a YouTube video that I'll go into, deeper books that I like about Pilates, and they're all, so the Caged Lion John Steel, Contrology Handbook by Sandy Shimoda, Get to Know Joe Pilates with Cathy Strack, incredible books that you should read that will help educate you about the why behind classical. Because I, what I don't like is when people just like watch a classical video, teach it in the order, but not really understand the why behind the what. Because that's why you want to change some things. So I do think if I was to teach contemporary I'd want to know the why behind the what, right. So I think that. But do I.Brad Crowell 13:42  That YouTube video, by the way, is called, What are the Best Pilates Books from Lesley Logan on Online Pilates Classes?Lesley Logan 13:49  So I I'm sorry, like anyone telling I don't care what school you're at. Brad Crowell 13:54  I don't think, I don't think those classical teachers are qualified to teach on classical equipment. That's what I have to say.Lesley Logan 14:00  I mean, like these, I bet you can, I bet you, Kendra, if you ask those people if I'm a classical teacher, those same people would say no, because the only people who talk like that are people who think, because who train me that I'm not classical. So, like, there's this weird group of people. So what you just met is you just saw big red flag run away from these people. These are not my people. So in the Pilates world, everyone's got to find their people, and I might not be the people for you. What I do have to offer if you want to invest in like an actual I would call, this is where, for teachers, I would call, you're looking for a bridge or a mentorship. If you've already done a comprehensive training, I think it's a little weird to go do a comprehensive training in the other style, where you're with people who've never taught before. Because one, they're going to be like, oh my God, this person is like, knows what they're doing, and you're going to be like, these, I'm coaching these people more than I'm getting helped. I like a mentorship program where it's, it is people who've all been taught but now you want to dive deeper into a study of Pilates. I have one. It's called eLevate. It's more than half fill for next year. It's lesleylogan.co/elevate, but you don't have to pick mine. There are other ones out there. Karen Frischmann is a dear friend of mine who has one she has hers like 18 months you just you're looking for a classical Pilates mentorship but you don't even need to do that to go buy the classical equipment and start doing classical work. You can have an OPC membership and learn a bunch of stuff. Everyone's following the order. Everyone's doing things based on Joe's intentions and using variations as needed. So you're good, Kendra, in my book, you're good. Those people can suck it. You know, in the words of pumps from my favorite podcast, they can fuck off.Brad Crowell 15:41  Well, if you have a question, just text us at 310-905-5534, or if you're international, feel free to submit a question at beitpod.com/questions, and also leave us a win.Lesley Logan 15:54  If you want me to get angry for you clearly, I will.Brad Crowell 15:58  Yeah. You want Lesley to tell someone to fuck off. Brad Crowell 16:00  All right, stick around. We'll be right back. We'll get a dig into this conversation.Lesley Logan 16:05  Hold on. Brad Crowell 16:05  All right. What? Lesley Logan 16:06  That co host, also, I've said it on the podcast before, but she did it again today, when I was listening twice, she says, in 2000 and 2026.Brad Crowell 16:17  2000 and 2026 yeah, that's so funny.Lesley Logan 16:20  I die every time. Like, she is making it worse. I like, love it. I'm like, what if that's how he said it? Oh, it's January, 2000 and 2026. Okay, now we're on a break. Brad Crowell 16:31  All right, we'll be right back.Brad Crowell 16:33  Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about Gail Hugman. Gail has been teaching for over 50 years, y'all, 50 years she's been teaching. She works with children and parents to help them flourish together. After spending decades in London schools, she shifted it into private practice to focus on motivation and self-development, helping children build self-control, confidence and independence, and helping parents rethink how they guide and support their crazy kids.Lesley Logan 17:06  Well, I mean, I just really am obsessed with this because, like, I remember listening to Seth Godin say that, like, parents roles after kids are home from school is not to help them, like, really do homework. It's to help them learn how to be analytical. Because if they could be analytical, then they can probably, this is before, AI guys, this is like, I don't know, I think there's like, 2015 when I heard him say this, he says, then they're they're irreplaceable, right? Like, if they can be analytical, and then I remember who's the host of Survivor? Jeff? Is it Jeff? Feels like a Jeff. Anyways, he he. Brad Crowell 17:45  Jeff Probst. Lesley Logan 17:45  Yes, him. He was talking about raising kids, and he said, you know, my daughter was talking about how she wants to be a large animal vet and she wants to be a tennis photographer, pro tennis photographer. Brad Crowell 17:58  These things go hand in hand. Lesley Logan 18:00  Correct. Exactly. That's exactly what his thought is. But you can't react, because then you can, like, affect them. So he just so his job is not to be like, oh, you can't do you have to pick one. That's what the world would do. He said, my job as her parent is to challenge her to tell me how she's gonna do that. So I said, Oh, that's interesting. How are you going to learn both those skills and do that? Do you think? What do you think? And she goes, oh, there's these two schools here that have really high performing tennis teams, photography as a degree and large animal vet. And so I can actually go to this school on a scholarship and get these two degrees, and then, because tennis is seasonal, I'll be a seasonal photographer when I'm not in seasonal work at this place over here in the large animal vet thing, like, she had it all figured out. Brad Crowell 18:48  Holy cow. Lesley Logan 18:48  So had he said, You have to pick one. Brad Crowell 18:51  Right. Lesley Logan 18:52  It would have just killed the re she did research. She figured out a plan. And look, whether or not I haven't looked, and see what Jeff Probst's daughter is doing. Because, like, you know, there's enough time that she might be able to figure this out, but that's not the job, right? And so that goes into what Gail's talking about here that I love. She said, I mean, you'll see how it fits in. When we talk about listening to children, we don't talk about the process. I will say, are you listening? And what they're thinking is, I'm hearing you. So, like, I've even done this. Like, are you listening? I'm like, I heard words. Brad Crowell 19:21  Right. Yeah, totally listening. Didn't process any single bit of it but. Lesley Logan 19:26  Anything. She said that, you know, even as adults, we are taught listening skills like, we're like, we'll go to events, schools, trainings, and they'll like, teach you how to like, process the thing that you're about to do. But we just expect children to know how to listen and like, what to pay attention to? Remember in Schitt's Creek when, like, Alexis, like, went back to school and then she highlighted the whole page. And they're like, Oh, you didn't highlight this. She's like, Oh, okay, like she was highlighting, like, what she was reading, like she wasn't taught, like, when do you put the highlighter on the page? Like, what's the point of highlighting? Right? And so it's funny, but like, it goes to this. And, like, I think this is where, like, as people with younger people in our lives, we don't have children, we're, like, when our nieces and nephews are around us, I'm trying to be really conscious of, like, Am I answering the question for them, or I'm giving them? Am I? Am I giving them ample time to, kind of like, process what what's happening and then tell me back what's going on. And that does take time. I just want to know. I just want to know I understand that takes so much time. I just wanted to tell them what to do. But I think you might have people who listen when they're older.Brad Crowell 20:32  Well, I found it interesting that she was talking about the process, because for me, I found she started talking about process in the same way that I've always talked about the why, you know, and when, like, I don't have children, but we run a company with people in it, and I've always found that when, especially when there's something that someone does not want to do, if I'm able to clearly convey why it always goes over better with them still grudgingly doing the thing, than if I'm just, like, just because I fucking said so do it? No, that doesn't work, right? I mean, they, you know, they might still do it and they might also quit, but, but like when people understand the why behind the what, now all of a sudden they're like, Oh, that makes sense. I get it. Okay, yeah.Lesley Logan 21:27  I completely agree. I think. Like, sometimes even just when we tell people like, oh, you know, like, it's really simple, you have too many clients, we need to raise your rates, and they're like, so scared, and it's like, okay, hold on. Let me paint the picture of why this is, how this is going to help? Like, I do think that you're right there. And I remember when you were training with Adrian Kohler, who's been on the pod, and you were frustrated, just even within a with one of the people who's not on our team anymore, but we'd hired for a specific project, and you were frustrated. And he taught you to even ask, like, Okay, after you tell them what you want them to do, ask them what it is that they're going, what are their action steps going to be? Because that helps you understand. Did they hear or listen? Did they process it? Did they hear what you said to do? You know, like, it's really easy for us to, like, say the right words, and then they interpret it incorrectly, just based on, like, It's the game of telephone, like, where people are, what words stuck out to them? What words triggered them?Brad Crowell 22:22  Yeah, Adrian was episode 262, by the way. Lesley Logan 22:25  That far back? Brad Crowell 22:26  I know.Lesley Logan 22:28  Did the year did like there was like two was there one year that was like two years long.Brad Crowell 22:32  But I agree, you know, like when we are willing to explain the process that suddenly really can be the catalyst that shifts behavior in a child, you know, or in a teammate. Lesley Logan 22:45  I'm just gonna say I don't think that I'm in a rebel at heart. That's not how I think I was born as a child, like I'm quite the perfectionist, overachiever. But anytime I heard because I said so, or because I told you to, I can go back to, like, 17 memories in my brain of me in my head, going. Brad Crowell 23:06  Yeah, exactly. Lesley Logan 23:08  And then doing enough to not get yelled at for doing not doing it the right way. Like, like you, you catch more flies with honey, but you also create people who you want to be around, if you kind of give them the chance to be in the process, learn the process.Brad Crowell 23:24  Yeah, and that, that actually feeds exactly into what I wanted to talk about, which was she told the story about this four year old who, when she was like, when Gail was putting the pencils away, the four year old was like, me, I want to do it. I want to I want to do it right. And she said something really intriguing. She said, kids want responsibility. They are intuitively born to grow. They are born to develop. They want more. They want to be part of the pack, a society. They see what adults are doing, and they're like, Well, I want to do that too. You know, how many of us remember thinking back to when we were a child and being like, I can't wait till I'm an adult. Why? Because I can make my own decisions, or I can do my own thing, or whatever the thing was, you know, and, and so, so, so interestingly, you know, actually, one thing that I found really interesting about Gail that was not explicitly said, is, obviously she is a patient person. Patience, right? And she's willing. She understands the she understands the kid. She understands what they're doing, why they're doing it, and she also understands when they're processing or not processing, the the information that they're receiving. She told another story about asking someone nine times to repeat back to her what she just told them to do right nine times. That takes so much patience to not get frustrated.Lesley Logan 24:47  I think that goes back to it doesn't matter what the goal is. If you're really clear on the goal, it allows you to to have I don't have patience inherently.Brad Crowell 25:00  For her, the goal was not for the kid to go do the thing she asked him to do. The goal was for the kid to learn how to listen and process what she what they were listening.Lesley Logan 25:10  But I wanted to say because we, I know we have some Pilates instructors who are listening, and they, they get frustrated when their clients don't remember the names of the exercises, or they're how to do things. And I'm a person who believes in like, radical responsibility. My clients are going to learn their exercises, and they're capable of it. I work out at gyms at a hotel. These are people on vacation who manage to come into a gym and figure out how to do something in there, which means they someone taught it and they figured how to do it. So I am willing to be patient enough to not over correct someone, or to do it for them instead, to go, okay, the 100 and like, you know, this one, it's, it's this. And like, Oh, it's this, okay, like, giving them the the time, the space. And everyone's like, like, I don't have my job is to entertain them. It's to help them know how to move their own body. And so it's really funny, because I have these clients who told my dad year, this is back when I was first teaching she is the most patient woman. And my dad was like, my daughter is patient, and I will say, loves, I am not patient. I am one of the most impatient people when it comes to the things I want, how I want things to go, but when it comes to someone else's process, I am very patient, because I know the end result is they'll have radical responsibility, autonomy over their body. They'll understand how to move it. I'm not going to be there when they trip or have to catch or grab something. I might be like, oh, right, arm up reach. I won't be there. So I think that I have no idea. I think actually, I haven't met Kate Gayle and been spent some time with her, there is a lot of patience to her. But also, maybe not, maybe she's just really clear on when I'm with this child, the goal is to give them time to process.Brad Crowell 26:57  Yeah, and for her, it sounds like like listening to her stories, you know, she is intentional about giving people the tools, like you were just talking about the tools to develop as a child, to grow into the adult that joins the the pack, right, the society, right? And if you when you are empowering them with the tools, then they can make decisions that are logical and all those kinds of things, instead of just be like, I guess, like, like, think about it. If you're just, like, do it. Why? Because I said, So, what are you doing? You're actually, you're actually molding a human to always be told what to do. Lesley Logan 27:38  Right. And guess what? They won't need those people in the future, because that's what robots will do. They could be programmed. People are not people will be rebellious. And I, I know y'all have heard me say this, I'm a little worried about who the fuck is going to take care of me, because their mom won't be around to tell them what to do, and I might need someone to take care of me because I didn't have children. So just saying.Brad Crowell 27:59  Well, well on that note, stick around. Lesley Logan 28:03  In case you need a motivation to make your child not an asshole, Lesley, your podcast host, is a little worried about her, like, end of life care, okay?Brad Crowell 28:14  All right, we'll be right back. We're gonna take it to those Be It Action Items that we had with Gail. So stick around. Brad Crowell 28:21  Welcome back. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Gail Hugman? She said straight up, you cannot control children. You cannot control them. You have to teach them how to control themselves.Lesley Logan 28:40  I I have chills, and I love this so much, I feel like that has to be very freeing, doesn't you think it's freeing?Brad Crowell 28:47  Oh my gosh, so freeing. Like I freeing is a good word for it, but, but I, but I also think that it's, I guess freeing is the right word, because when people are feel like they have they will lose control. And what does it do for you as the person trying to have control? You get angry, freaked out, like, like.Lesley Logan 29:06  You're embarrassed. Yeah, all these things, so embarrassed, this, this, this child is like, like, doing the they're normally really good, like, all the things. Brad Crowell 29:14  Which are forms of narcissism, by the way. But basically it's, it's what you are when you're teaching them to control themselves, you know now it's not your responsibility if they control themselves in that way. You've taught them how to do the thing, and if they're not doing it, then that's some there's another. There's another thing going on there, because they know how to control themselves.Lesley Logan 29:35  Oh my gosh, you guys, if you did not listen to the episode, you have to listen to it, because it was very there was a whole point about the homework, the homework that made me like, I just was like, Oh, my God, I wish. I wish this was something my parents knew. I wish. I think my mom, who's a school teacher, would love this like my mom, I know would, because she, like, she took the homework away from kids because the parents were doing it. But like, this whole thing about, like, if the kid doesn't do the homework, at the time the teacher said it should take then instead of doing it for them or fighting with them, you take it away. The homework is done. It was supposed to take 30 minutes. It it's been 30 minutes, and I will go to school with you tomorrow, while you explain why it you couldn't get it done 30 minutes. Because then they have to have they have to actually think about why did it, oh, I was playing a video game. Well, now they have to admit that, or Oh, I didn't understand the lesson. Okay, well, then the teacher needs to know, because the teacher should make sure you can understand the lesson before you leave.Brad Crowell 30:27  Because they're teaching you how to do the lesson, not doing the lesson for you, like it's this is a perfect parallel. The teacher would never do your homework for you. The teacher is going to do teach you how to do the homework. So why do we feel like we are supposed to control children. No, we're supposed to teach them how to control themselves. Lesley Logan 30:44  Right. For example, I tell eLevate members, like the homework for eLevate is not mandatory. If you do it it helps me understand the learning style you are. It also helps me understand what you understood from the weekend I just taught you, which gives me feedback that I could never get from a survey, in understanding that I know what I said that weekend, but what did you hear? Right? Like, what did you take in? What did you understand? And this past homework thing, someone filled the form in a way that I've never seen before. And I was just like, hey, I think that, like, you might have misunderstood what's going on. Here's what I was expecting. She redid it, and then she explained why she understood the way she did. Crazy reason why. But it was like, you know, it was really simple for us to just do an example, and then people would know how to do it, and then, so, like, it also the teacher will learn I wasn't good. I didn't give good enough instruction. So I just, I love that. Go listen. The whole thing is so good. But it goes back to what you were saying. Brad Crowell 31:37  Yeah. And the two of you then got into a conversation about saying, you know, don't do this, or no, or all those kinds of things. And I'm not saying that you should never say no, but your example was that Joe Pilates wouldn't tell you what not to do. He would tell you what to do, right? So how should you control yourself in public? Not control yourself.Lesley Logan 31:59  Well also, like we just watched Crazy Stupid Love, because I love that movie so much. And Joe would also choose exercises that you needed to teach you teach your body what it was not capable of doing yet. And in Crazy, Stupid Love, Ryan Gosling, like Miyagi's, you know, Steve Carell, and I think that, like, that's all, like, the modeling of it is, like, you know, is really important. So there's so much, yeah, go listen to it.Brad Crowell 32:27  So she concluded this thought by saying, so instead of me trying to control them, the kids, I'll tell them the consequences of what they're doing. And this was also really interesting to me, she said, she said, look, talking to a child, if you continue to do this, I will get upset. Is it okay if I get upset? Because that is what is going to happen. And so the kid now has the choice to continue down this path, which they now know what it will bring or not, right? And she often, she said often, they'd be like, No, I don't want you to get upset. Okay, great, then please stop doing this thing, right? Fascinating. Again, patience. Lesley Logan 33:11  Like, it's like, I think of like, parents are like, don't eat that. You'll ruin your dinner. The kid doesn't care if the dinner is ruined, you know, like, they don't care. They want the thing. So, like, you have to come up with, like, Okay, if you eat that, it's gonna really make me sad, because I spent hours on making this dinner for you. That's maybe manipulation. Sorry, Gail, but like, I want to have dinner with you. It's important that I have quality time with you. I want you to enjoy the dinner that I made. Like, if you eat that, and then is it okay if I'm disappointed that you didn't enjoy the dinner I made. Okay, like there's, I'm sure Gail's books are going to be more articulate than I am. So go get them all.Brad Crowell 33:46  Well, that said, what about you? What Be It Action Items did you love from your convo?Lesley Logan 33:50  How to choose? Okay, when we are born, that's what Gail says. When we're born, we have something called executive function skills. Gail said we need, we all need these skills for learning and for living, but in school and often at home, we expect children to have them instead of teaching them. So for Gai.,Brad Crowell 34:06  So that we expect the kids to have the executive function skills instead of teaching them executive function skills.Lesley Logan 34:11  Yeah, so she said. Gail said, the first one we have to teach is self-control, then the next one is focus and attention and then organization. So if parents would focus on teaching these skills, children would do better. And I think, I know that sounds it's easy, clearly, in order, yeah, it's, it's first control, then you can teach focus, and then you can teach organization. And I think, like, what's so cool about that? It's one it gives you, it gives you a map, start with self-control, and then focus and attention, but and then organization. But I think it's instead of like, I gotta teach them how to like do their homework. It's like, you got to teach them self-control so that they can sit down to do the homework. Then you can teach them focus and attention so they can do the homework. And then organization so they know what time to do the homework. When can they figure this what is the best time for them? How do they manage their day? These are important things. I I am really sad for people who like, don't know how to like, put their schedule together. That's sad, you know, because it's clearly frustrating them. We have adults that we work with who, like, have a really hard time figuring out how to organize the things that they're doing or learning, and it's like, oh, they just weren't taught. And to learn that an older age is, like, really difficult.Brad Crowell 35:33  So anyways, yeah, well, just a lovely again, a lovely conversation, and I'm so excited that we were able to have Gail join the pod.Lesley Logan 35:42  If you did all this when you were a parent, I hope you pat yourself on the fucking back like, I hope you go this was the best episode for helping me celebrate how amazing I was as a parent, because I do think that most parents do not give themselves enough credit either. So I'm not here to, like, harp on like you're doing a bad job, but like. Brad Crowell 36:00  It did make me wonder if my parents had a method to the madness. Like, you know, they're pretty analytical. Maybe they were intentional about some of this stuff, but if they did, I'd never had a conversation with them about it as an adult. But, you know, it's intriguing. It's interesting.Lesley Logan 36:14  I mean, they might have because they're analytical. I think, like, there is something a little different about those of us who are raised to, like, go outside and play till the lights turn off. And there's definitely something about, like, there's that real people like, why are you guys drinking from hoses? Like, it's like, because that's we were had to play outside. What are you talking about? Of course, we drink from a hose, you know, like, like, but I like the fact that people don't realize that like, I think that there was something about the plane outside that definitely created a lot of this executive function, because, like, you have to negotiate with other children, of like, who's in charge, who's playing now it's my turn, like,Brad Crowell 36:49  Danger crossing roads by yourself. Lesley Logan 36:52  Yeah, I do I do think that there's a difference now than there was in like, oh, my God. We're 43 so, you know, like, I do, I do see a difference. And I just what I what I really wanted is for people who have younger children, wanting to empower you about what to stress about and what not to stress about. Like, Gail said it you shouldn't stress it if the homework gets done, like, that's not a thing, like, this is where they're gonna okay, let's go figure out why it didn't get done. Let's help you figure that out. And then if you did this, then pat yourself on the back. And if you didn't. Brad Crowell 37:24  We still love you. Lesley Logan 37:24  We love you, and they're taking care of you and not me. So. I'm kidding. I'm Lesley Logan. I love you guys so much. I'm Lesley. Go buy her books. Gail Hugman has a ton of books. Brad Crowell 37:39  Yeah. She had a couple of websites. We're gonna put those in to the show notes, because I can't remember off the top of my head, but actually, I'm just gonna look Gail Hugman her oh yeah, lessonalive.com, lessonalive.com, she's also on Instagram.Lesley Logan 37:54  (inaudible) how she did this stuff are enjoyable to listen to. She also has an accent, so my American friends, I know you'll love it.Brad Crowell 38:00  Yeah. And you can find her books at the endlessbookcase.com. Lesley Logan 38:02  Oh, perfect. Brad Crowell 38:04  Yeah, but I'm sure, I'm sure they're also on her lessonalive.Lesley Logan 38:06  So we're gonna order, to the Crowells. You are getting some books. We love you so much. All right, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 38:14  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 38:15  Thank you so much for listening. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Share with a friend who's struggling with their kids right now. Hopefully this helps them and Gail, thanks for being here. You didn't break the mold. Sorry, babe, but you're still a badass in our eyes. Have an amazing day.Brad Crowell 38:28  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 38:30  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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In this eye-opening episode, Lesley Logan sits down with Gail Hugman, an educator with 50 years of experience, to relieve the immense pressure modern parents place on themselves. If you've ever felt like your child's success is a direct reflection of your daily micromanaging, Gail's expert insight offers a massive exhale. She explains how to step back from cultural expectations, stop doing everything for your kids, and allow their innate brilliance to surface. This conversation offers grounded shifts that reduce conflict and help children grow into capable, confident adults. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The "brick walk" exercise that teaches children how to concentrate.Why we must talk to children about the actual "process" of listening.Handling the "Why should I?" question instead of answering "because I said so."The difference between a child's natural life and world life.Why executive skills like self control must be taught.Episode References/Links:Gail Hugman's Website - https://www.lessonsalive.comGail Hugman's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/lessonsalive_gail_hugmanGail Hugman's Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/LessonsAliveMaking the Pennies Drop by Gail Hugman - https://a.co/d/0gjopl85100 Things to Learn Before You're 10 by Gail Hugman - https://a.co/d/058Bxn24A Short and Simple Book for the Why's by Gail Hugman - https://a.co/d/064U6RRYLittle Hum by Gail Hugman - https://a.co/d/0f5DhWwgGuest Bio:Gail Hugman is a distinguished educator and author with 50 years of experience dedicated to helping children—and their parents—thrive by mastering the internal skills that traditional schooling often overlooks. While many focus solely on academic grades, Gail's work targets the root of a child's success: motivation, mindset, and the "how-to" of learning. Through her unique methodology, she provides children with the essential tools to become self-motivated, focused, and confident individuals who take pride in their own achievements. Drawing on her deep passion for human development and the neuroscience of learning, Gail's approach centers on teaching executive function skills such as concentration, listening, and self-control. She recognizes that in a fast-paced world, neither schools nor overwhelmed parents always have the specialized resources to instill these foundational life skills. Gail bridges this gap, transforming the family dynamic by helping children become independent and capable. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:08  Be It babe, okay, so, today's episode, if you don't have children, you might be like, this isn't for me. I hope you listen either, because it might help you make sense of your childhood. It might help you support your friends who are parents. If you've already parented, you might think it like I hope you listen, because I have a parenting expert. Well, if not parenting expert, I would call her a education expert of children, and her be it action item for every single one of us to support children is amazing and wonderful and simple and hard and complicated and necessary and doable, and I'm really excited about it, because, ladies, I've been I've been trying to figure out how to help you prioritize yourself first. And for many of you, there is the love and responsibility of your children that are keeping you from that, from prioritizing yourself first, from being it till you see it, from doing the Pilates you say you want to do. And my hope was that Gayle hugman, our guest today, could give you some tools, some support, some insight into the role that you have. And hopefully that allows you to not just be the parent you want to be, but be the human you want to be in this world. And while I don't have kids, I hope I don't offend anyone in my in my inquiries and my observations and my wonders. But I also truly believe in every single one of you who are parents and so grateful when I'm older, someone's child does need to help take care of me. So there's a weird thing where I would like someone's child to take care of me because I don't have any of my own but also I want you to have the life you so dreamed up and wanted for yourself and for them, and so I hope this episode really supports you in that, and I'd love to hear your takeaways. Here is Gail Hugman. Lesley Logan 2:53  All right, Be It babe. I'm excited. I've have not ever had a guest like this before. One I got to meet this amazing person in real life, on our mullet tour in Essex area, and she loves Pilates. So you my Pilates lovers, know that this woman loves Pilates too. Been doing it a long time, but I I got to know what she does for a living. I thought, oh my gosh, this is a guest I haven't had. I've had a lot of guests that help my my listeners as women as as perimenopausal women as as perfectionist women, but I haven't had anyone who helps them as parents, you know, who add a lot of pressure to themselves to be whatever the world says I need to be as a parent. So Gail Hugman, will you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Gail Hugman 3:38  I'm Gail Hugman And I have now been teaching for 50 years, and I help children flourish, and I help parents flourish with them. That's my USP.Lesley Logan 4:00  50 years. That's a long time. How did you get into that?Gail Hugman 4:05  I spent 30 years in London schools, and it used to hurt me to watch potential that I didn't have time to develop and I didn't want to be a principal or a head teacher, because the higher I went, the more paper I saw, the fewer children I saw. And my magic happens with the children. And so I decided to leave, and I asked a young teacher, what is it you find most challenging in teaching? He was just starting. I knew I was just leaving, and he said, immediately, motivation. I can get the children to do what they have to do, but I can't get them to want to do it. And I thought, right, that is what I'm going to do. And the journey has been 20 years long now. I have had the privilege of going into people's homes and working out, initially, an assessment for the children, because, to start with, didn't have a clue what I was going to do. I remember my very first client came along and she said to me, Oh, great, you're leaving teaching. Will you be a minder? My son's minder is leaving the school, and they are thinking of excluding him because he doesn't pay attention and he doesn't this. And I thought, I'm not going from almost headship to being someone's minder. And I said, Absolutely not. I said, but I'll teach him to concentrate. And then I thought, What have I just said?Lesley Logan 5:58  The show says, Take messy action, be it till you see it so like that is right there everyone, if you've ever done that, you have done you have been being it till you saw it.Gail Hugman 6:11  So and remember, each time I would say to someone, I'm going to teach them that I knew they were going to pay me for this and so I've got to deliver. With that particular child, and I can't say, oh, I had a magic wand, and it happened overnight, but I realized that when we educate children nowadays, it's very two dimensional, and it is almost you give them a screen, or you give them a book, or you talk to them, but you don't do enough practical exercises. And so that very first boy, who was 11, I had a little rim in my garden on the edge of the grass, it was one brick all the way around. It was only small. And I said to him, I want you to walk on that brick edge. And of course, he thought it was very funny, and he did it, but he kept falling and coming off it. And I said, I want you to walk on there with your hands on your head, and when I could see, after a few attempts, that he was actually focused, I said to him, what you're now feeling is called concentration, and that is what you need in school. And I said when you are walking up the driveway to your school, because I knew the school, I want you to say to yourself, I am walking the path of focus and concentration until you get into your classroom, and I asked the school if they would mind keeping him. I told them what I was trying to do, and I would phone him every night after school and check that he had improved. Now, as I say, it wasn't, you know, overnight, but that boy was not excluded from school. He went on to pass his exams. It was, I would say, three or four months before he actually would be more focused and I wasn't in the room. That's what amazed me. Lesley Logan 8:35  That's amazing. Gail Hugman 8:36  So that started my journey of if I can teach children, I couldn't. I didn't, I didn't have a wall to take with me. Lesley Logan 8:45  Yeah, yeah. Gail Hugman 8:46  So I thought, how can I do this in other people's homes? So you get a glass of water, and you fill it as full as you can, preferably, mother's best glass, and you say, I want you to walk from this side of the kitchen to that side of the kitchen without spilling any and then you have the same effect. You are walking the path of focus and concentration what you're now feeling we call concentration, and I have used this exercise, or exercises like it, to teach children about self control, about being focused, about being in that state when they're in school. And I had to write books about it for parents, because I thought every parent needs to know how to do thisLesley Logan 9:43  right, because they're getting calls from the school that your kids being disruptive, or your kid and look, we there are neurodivergent children. There's different ways of learning, but being told all these things, and then they're trying to figure it out themselves, and it becomes just yelling and why can't you concentrate in school? But no one's teaching them to concentrate. You know, it's teaching them the feeling.Gail Hugman 10:03  And the listening. When you say to a child, listen, I walked into a classroom, and on the wall was a poster about listening, good listening, and it had little pictures like this, cross-legged and I thought, How is a child meant to learn to listen? From that poster added to which industry or commerce spends millions teaching adults to listen? Why? Why? I thought, why don't we teach children to listen? And I remember my books are full of stories. I remember a child at one of the top London schools I was asking to repeat a question, and I said to him, you know, go outside, get your jacket, or get your jacket, go outside and bring something in. And I said, repeat that to me. And this child was nine and a half 10 years old. So he said, put your jacket on and go outside. No, where I want every single word. So I repeated the sentence. I didn't get all emotional about it. I didn't get annoyed. I just repeated the question, so can you say it back to me? So we had another go. Didn't work, so I had another go. And these, these are firsts. So I did it again. Now it took nine attempts. He started to giggle because he realized that he wasn't getting it. And to my horror, his father had been listening outside the room, and when I left, his father said to me, I would never have believed that if I had not heard it with my and I said, when we talk about listening to children, we don't talk about the process. And when we say, are you listening, they think, yes, I'm hearing. And we have to start to talk about process. What is the process that is going on in your head when you're listening? So that's how it started. And then what developed was, how do I get a child to engage in school? You know when a child says, Why should I favorite question of every parent, right? Why should I? Lesley Logan 12:46  Yeah. And then they say, because I said, so. Gail Hugman 12:51  Yeah. I remember a boy doing this to me went just towards the end of teaching. He came into my class as a new boy quite late in the year, and he was having a difficult time, and I said something to him, and he stormed out of the room, and I stormed after him, and I said, come back in that classroom, because I'm responsible for him. And he said, Why should I? And I thought, I said, good question, and I went back into the classroom. As I went, I said, wait there. And I thought, why should he? Why should he? And there are a lot of questions children have in the heat of the moment. Why should he, in that particular instance, I went back outside because I didn't know this boy, and I said, You don't know me, but I am responsible for you while you're here, and the reason you should come back in the classroom is because I need to be sure that you're safe, and I would like a little respect, and I will give you some. You followed me in and it's nobody explained it because I said, I could have said because I said, So, but then it doesn't get you anywhere.Lesley Logan 14:11  Yeah, you're correct. You're you're extremely correct. And also, like, it doesn't, it doesn't develop trust. So then anything else you want to teach them. They're like, who told who made this person, the person I have to learn from. My father is a traffic school, like a he, I don't know if you have these in London, but he's a crossing guard, right? So the school let's out, and he's yes, yes, yes. So he's new at it, and he this is, this is his first school year doing it, and they had him at an elementary school, and they switched him to this high school, and the city council person was watching one day, and the principal was there, and they go, oh, like, how's it going? How are the kids treating you? And they're watching the kids, like, fist bump my dad and like, say something nice. And my dad's like, asked him how there's how was the game last week? And they're like, how did you, and it's two weeks, get these kids to, like, respect you. And he was like, I respected them first. Yeah, yeah. And I think, like, that's the hard part, because also it requires patience and a bit of self awareness. Like you had to have the awareness to go, okay, hold on. Let me think about that. But I think, like a lot of people, don't give themselves the time to do that. I think, I think a lot of parents are overwhelmed.Gail Hugman 15:29  I'm not surprised. And what came out, I remember sitting with another boy who was a bit why should I ish? And I thought, what can I say to this child? Because I don't know how I have been graced by so many wonderful clients who just handed the children over and said give me a result. Yeah. And I'd sit next to a child and think, What do I say to change the way they're thinking? And on one occasion, I sat with this boy, and I said, You do realize, don't you, that when you're born, you get not one, but two lives that got his attention. And I said, let me explain it this way. And I drew a diagram, and I said, Look, here's zero, and I drew a line, and I put, here's 100 and this is where you're born, at zero, and we all hope we're going to get to 100 or beyond. And I said, but between zero and 100 you have a job to do. Do you know what that job is? And they look at you and it's like, learn? I say your job is to develop to be the very best thing that you can be, the very best human being that you can be. That's what nature wants. I said, unfortunately, you've been born into a world where the environment isn't necessarily all helpful, and so you have two lives. You have an inside life, which I call your natural life, and that is automatic for every single person on the planet. So you start as a child, then you become a nightmare, then you become a young adult, then you become a you know, proper, grown up, and then you become a senior before you go home. And I go through this process with them, I say that is the same. Doesn't matter what color you are, doesn't matter where you live in the world, doesn't matter who your parents are. That is the same for every single child. I suppose your wildlife is completely different to every other person, and you are to look at the world which is full of good things and not good things. And that's why you're given parents at the beginning, because your parents have been here long enough to recognize the not good things, and your job is to grow and develop your natural life by choosing things to do in the world that are going to help you do that. So if you want to be a patient person, you could paint pictures, or you could make pots, or you could learn to be an athlete, or you could do Pilates. It depends what you want to grow in yourself and what you think will help you do that. And I talk to them about school this way, when they say, Why do I have to do algebra?Lesley Logan 19:05  You're so good at making a teenage boy's voice.Gail Hugman 19:11  And I said, Well, algebra is fantastic because it teaches your brain logic and reasoning. So it's not the algebra you want, it's the logic and reasoning. And so I've learned through all these messy actions what to say to those questions of, why should I? Who cares? So what? These things I think develop, because children are intuitively born to grow, born to develop. They run into all sorts of things in the world that knock them off that path. And I totally believe know you can correct me if you like, but I'm probably going to continue to believe that when we're born, we're born with this massive potential, and providing we don't get stopped by negativity of some kind, we can easily be put back onto that line of development if we're given the right tools to do it. And that's what my job is. Helping them flourish means putting them back. So if they are suffering because there's been a divorce and they don't understand, they don't understand, then I don't talk about the divorce. I talk about look over here for some success, because we are natural born healers. I know you have to work at it, Lesley, I have to work at it. I was in Pilates this morning. I saw Sam, I said, I'm going to tell Lesley I was in Pilates this morning, but that's me healing me, and we are natural healers. So children will recover very quickly if we can put them back on that natural line, so that they are focused on what they are growing in themselves and choosing to do in the world to help them grow, not and the most important thing, I don't want them to change, to be something they think the world wants. Lesley Logan 21:37  Right. Okay, I have a couple questions. One, so assuming, like, everyone can't call you tomorrow, maybe they can, right, like, can parents help them get put back on the natural line? Does it have to be someone other than them? Does that have to be a third party, or can a parent actually do what you did, which is, like, have the thought, like, Okay, how do I have an honest thought with this kid? And, like, put them back on that. How do you do that? And then the other question went out of my head, so it'll come back when you answer.Gail Hugman 22:17  I think what parents need to realize is that this person in front of them is the most fantastic, creative, sensitive, intelligent form of life on this planet, and step back and stop your reaction, which is born in you because of the culture that we're in step back and have what I call, sorry dads, it's a mommy moment. It's one of those moments where you talk human to human, because they do have those moments every you know, I told a little boy, I'll never forget this. One of my early lessons in private practice. I told a little boy that the year before he was born, the planet was here, and I drew a circle, and I said it had countries on it, and I drew little shapes. I'm not, not an artist. I drew little shapes. I said it had giraffes on it, and donkeys and butterflies. And I was drawing as I was talking. And I said it had all these wonderful things, trees, and it had 6 billion, however, many 100,000 people on it. Your mum was here, your dad was here. You hadn't been created yet. And then, wee, you arrived, and you changed the world forever. Now you can see it's really busy here, and not everyone is happy. Do you want to make the world better or not? And he's he said to me, I want to make it better. I want to make it better. So I said, Well, you ask your mum how she felt when you were born, because you changed her life forever. You changed your dad's life forever. And they loved it, maybe not straight away, but they loved it. And after I'd had this whole lesson. This was that I went through with this child. I got a phone call later that night from his mother, and she was crying, and she said, I had to call you because my son told me what you said to him, and he said, I want to thank you for having me, Mummy. Lesley Logan 23:07  Oh I'm gonna cry. Gail Hugman 23:58  Thank you for having me. Isn't that amazing? And I when I look at a child, I mean, my first, my very first book, was actually a letter to the head teacher. When I said I was going to retire or resign from teacher, I wanted to go privately. And I got up in the middle of the night, and I wrote this letter. I thought, what is it that's different? Because he asked me, I want to know what you do, and what is it? What is it I do that's different? I teach English, I teach maths, I teach reading, and I come up in the middle of the night, and I thought, it's not what I do, it's how I think. That's what's different. I think that each child, as I said, is highly intelligent without any help. They may not have the language to express it, but they they are so clever, they are so creative. You know, I told the children in the school once, you have to be economical with paper, because we're short of money and I don't want to see any paper wasted. So please don't waste any paper. Carry on with the lesson. At the break, a little boy came to me and he said, Miss, I have got a way that you can get more paper. So I said, Oh, really, how do you do that? He said, what you do? He said, you get a plain piece of paper and you go to the photocopier and you copy it. Now isn't that clever? So I got a plain piece of paper, I took it to the photocopier, and I explained to him why I'd laughed, and he said, Ah, but isn't that that was an eight year old child.Lesley Logan 26:49  So one of the things I loved when I met you Gail is like, I I don't have any children, but I am amazed by like my the children that I've been able to have in my life in different ways, like my niece and nephew. I remember, like, the my nephew is, like, two and a half years old, maybe just two, and I was holding him, and he looked at the picture, and he goes, That's my dad. That's Ella. And I said, Who is this? He's like, That's bubba. He pointed himself out, like two years old. And I was like, I have no idea. Maybe that's what two year olds do. But I was impressed and that he could, like, look at a picture. I knew all this. He gets this Christmas gift, he puts it on, he starts performing. I was like, he's amazing, like, that is, like, this kid is just, like, got this creativity in him, right? Like, all these different things. And I taught these 11 year old girls, and they have all these thoughts going on in their head. And I was just like, Oh, my God, this is you are why I'm not gonna have children, but I'm amazed by what you're doing, and it scares the hell out of me, but, like, but I also, I see all this, and you're like, you know, these kids have all these they're so clever, they're born so smart, and then something happens, right? Like, like you said, there could be a negative thing that happens, or divorce or or they go to school, and they're not given that respect or that challenge. They're not taught the focus or taught to listen and it goes and then they become 18 year olds because they just keep getting passed along. And so I wonder, like, is it the mummy moments, or is it, how do parents facilitate this being that already has a lot of it that it needs like, is there.Lesley Logan 28:21  It's got everything. It's got everything. Lesley Logan 28:25  I guess how do they not fuck it up Gail? Gail Hugman 28:27  Yeah, right. Mine did. My confidence was gone by the age of 11 because I failed an exam I was expected to pass. And then I met a boy of five years old, who could not sit still, who did not make eye contact, who talked all the time. He was extraordinary, and his parents very intelligent. They had three boys very close together, and they said, We don't know what to do with him, you know, can you help? And they said he was autistic. They said he was this, they said he was that. And I said, Well, I don't think he's autistic. I don't know why I said that. And I said that to them. I don't know why I'm saying that, but I don't think he's autistic, but he is something. And they said, you know, a child doesn't normally like this boy ask for Encyclopedia Britannica to be read to him at bedtime when he's four. That's unusual. And this child I stayed with 18 years until he went to university, because his parents would allow me to try different ways to engage him. And the first one you know, talk about neurodiverse people. Try to control the children you cannot control children. See this right here, that's proof you cannot control that's how I got it. Trying to control them. You have to teach them to control themselves by showing them right and wrong, right being what's good for them. And no, don't do that, because it annoys me. I would say to a child, if you do that, I'm going to get irritated. Is that okay with you? Can you change it? Yeah. So instead of me trying to control them, I'll tell them the consequence of what they're doing, and say that's what's going to happen. Is that okay with you? And it seems, I mean, this is why I wrote the books, because I've been trying to get my message out there for 20 years. I couldn't articulate it at first. I just knew it had to be different.Lesley Logan 31:04  Yeah, I love what you're saying, because it's for the Pilates instructors I've taught listening like this is what I say. Joe Pilate never said don't. Never said don't do that, don't, don't put your shoulders in your ears, or don't do that. He never said that. He would tell you what to do, like, he would. Gail Hugman 31:18  Exactly. That's how brains work. Well, that's what my motto for parents is don't, "Don't do." Don't say don't. Do tell them what to do. Somebody said to me, can you tell me how to stop my children trashing the lounge, because that's my special space, and they've got a playroom, but they don't play in there. They play in the lounge, and they keep trashing it. So I said, Have you told them? Have you told them it's your special place? Have you asked them to help you look after it? Lesley Logan 31:56  Yes, this is okay. So I take so, as we all know, and those, in case you missed it, I have no children. So when I tell people about like, creating a schedule that allows them to put themselves first and prioritize themselves, they go, must be easy for you. You don't have children. Okay? I have three companies, you guys. So let's just I'm busy too. Okay, I'm busy too. We all have our own busys, but when one of the pushbacks I get is always from the moms who, by the way, have partners who can participate and don't, and it's so you know, that's a whole different therapist. It's a whole different thing. But this one particular woman said to me, Well, I would love to go on a walk in the morning. I see your walks every morning, and I would love to do that, but there's too much to do to get the kids to school. I said, Oh, how old are your children? And they're 12 and 14. They're 12 and 15. Thank you, Gail. Thank you, Gail. Thank you. It took I was like, okay, thankfully part of this face is Botox. So the reaction was, you know, less. But I was like, I was like, oh, but do they want to do adult things? Like, they want to go to the movies with their friends, they want to take the train, they want to do adult things. And she's like, Yeah. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, do you think that they could get themselves ready for school in the morning? Like, have you like, I'm assuming they are, like, able bodied 12 and 15 year olds. I can't, like, I'm not talking about the ones who have special needs. I'm talking like, able bodied. She's like, yes, I said, Have you asked them, hey, I would like to go for a walk in the morning. What can we do the night before to make sure you get to school on time. Like, have you, like, asked them and guess what the next day, Gail, she went for a walk in the morning.Gail Hugman 33:28  Yeah. I know it's not rocket science. So the thing is, I say to parents sometimes, this child came to join your life, not to take it over.Lesley Logan 33:47  That's so good. Gail Hugman 33:48  Teach them what they need to know to be as independent as they can be at every single stage, because that's what a little human being craves. You know, I had a child I was teaching, and he had a little baby sister of four. Well, I say little baby, it sounds cute. She was a feisty little thing, and she used to stand in the doorway, and I had these roll up pencil cases, and as I was finishing the lesson, I'd be about to roll it up, and she'd come running in, me do, me do, me do. And I would give it to her so that she could roll it up. Because all they crave is responsibility, and they want to be part of the tribe they see grown ups, and they want to be that. So please teach them that don't do it for them. So many parents will do it for them. Yes, up to about four. Why? You can get your bag ready for school. You know, do you really need me to do that? What is wrong that you can't do that? That's a problem, isn't it? How you and sometimes the teenagers, I will say, Okay, do you want to live at home all your life? And they will say no. Well, do you want your parents to tell you what to do, or would you like to make decisions for yourself? And they said, Well, I want to do it myself. I said, Well, what can you do to reassure your parents that they have done a good job with you and you can do that, and that starts a whole different discussion. So you take your youngster and you have those discussions, what do I need to do to help you get the results you want? You know, homework. People will fight over homework. And I say, Look, if you go into an exam, you have got 40 minutes, an hour, whatever it is, if you spend two hours doing homework, you are not training that brain to perform in an hour's exam. So if the homework is meant to take 30 minutes, give them 30 minutes. If the homework isn't finished in 30 minutes, tell them you will go with them to the teacher and be there while they explain either it's too hard or they didn't focus, or whatever the reason so that they are responsible for the homework. Lesley Logan 36:38  Right. You're you're supporting, you're the guy, but you're not. Yes. You know this all. I mean, like, first of all, it sounds amazing. And also, and like, it's, it's not simple because it's not simple, but it's also, I look at the like we talk about these everyone blames the reason why, you know, Gen Z and these kids are living with their parents as, like, it's a cost thing. And yes, yes, life is more expensive now, but my mom was a school teacher, a fifth grade school teacher for some of these kids who would be in that generation, and she had to stop sending home. She would not their, their their paper that was due in fifth grade. She made time in class for them to handwrite it, because she didn't want the parents to do it, and the parents were like, well, I need to be able to see how it's how they're doing. And she said, No, I will do that. I will tell they can tell you how it's going. Why don't you ask them how it's going, but they're going to write it in class, because she could tell the parents were doing the homework. So she said to start eliminating homework so that kids wouldn't be responsible for the homework. And so I think, like, part of it is that parents almost taking, maybe it's ego, maybe, I don't know, because I'm not a parent, but like, they're not the representation that you think, like, I feel like there's this, like, Oh, if my kid gets bad grades, it's a reflection upon me, versus like, How can I help them figure out the grades that they could get? You know, like they there's this weird bulldozing thing happen? I'll do it for them. And then you wonder why they live in the basement. And then you blame it on costs, but it's but it's also because they have never been responsible for things. Gail Hugman 38:09  Yes, and there is when we're born we have something called executive function skills. We all need them. We all need them for learning and for living. And in school we don't teach them necessarily, we expect the children to have them. The first one that I teach often self-control. The next one focus and attention. The next one organization, and if parents would focus on teaching those skills, then the children would do better if they're organized, if they're able to manage time. And that's the whole thing about homework. You know, if they if the teacher said, spend 10 minutes on it, spend 10 minutes on it. And if you're looking out of the window, and that's supposed to be spent on homework, then you go in tomorrow and say, I'm sorry I looked out the window, and you take the consequence, because parents will say, if you don't do your homework, you won't have dessert, and I couldn't see the connection.Lesley Logan 39:14  Yeah, yeah, right, they're not seeing the connection. Like, that's like, that's not how what the habits coaching that I did, like he always said, rewards are not how habits are created, because they're too often too far away from the actual thing that you're doing. So yeah, yeah. Okay. Gail, I feel like everyone, I hope I have, I hope everyone like who has a parent friend listens to this. Because look, I think raising a child is probably one of the hardest things that people ever do. I taught 11. Gail Hugman 39:41  Absolutely. I haven't got any either. Lesley Logan 39:45  I taught I had, I had these two girls that I taught from 11 to 16, and I have a call with one of them on Friday, who's now 20 years old. Oh my god. And like, I mean, like, I don't know how I don't have gray hairs just from the five years. Like, raising her twice, two hours a week. But like so I definitely don't want to make make light of it, but I also can't sit here and guide women on being it till they see it, if the number one reason they say they don't have time for themselves is because they're doing all these things for their children when we know it's that's not what's going to help your kid thrive, and it's not helping the parent either.Gail Hugman 40:22  No, absolutely, you have to remember, between birth and the age of three, that brain in your child, you give birth to a baby, you give birth to a brain, and that brain will have made something like 3 trillion connections without any help from you. And by the age of three, our stress response is already determined. Isn't that extraordinary? Lesley Logan 40:50  Extraordinary. Gail Hugman 40:51  And so what a parent needs to be looking at or the biggest question, this is one of my tips, the biggest question that I'm always asking myself, What is this child actually learning from what they're now doing? So if you are fighting with them over homework, what are they actually learning? That you're unreasonable, that they've got to do it themselves. What are they actually learning if, if you are running around after them, giving them their bags, giving doing everything for them, picking up their dirty washing, and what are they actually learning from that? So take a step back, get a glass of wine. I don't mind, but think, what is my child actually learning, and what do they need? Because this world is changing so quickly, they will need self-control whatever happens. They will need to be able to plan whatever happens. You know these things. And I saw somebody on TV yesterday talking about, AI is the latest kind of phase of technology, so they still need these skills, yeah, and if you rely on all this mechanical stuff, I mean, it's wonderful, because I can talk to you and you're thousands of miles away, but we still have to develop those skills to be able to live a fruitful life and get to the end having achieved the very best we could be. Lesley Logan 42:37  Gail, I think I could talk to you forever. We did go into your Be It Action Items already, I know. We're going to do a quick like, where can people find you, follow you, work with you, get your books. Will the books help them be better at this?Gail Hugman 42:49  Yes, definitely. This, this one and this one, Making the Pennies Drop, and 100 Things to Learn Before You're 10, are the two critical ones. A Short and Simple Book for the Whys. Very little. That is the letter I wrote to my head teacher. And this is a very special book, and it is my latest book. It's called Little Hum. Have we got time for me to just read the beginning? Lesley Logan 43:18  Yeah, go ahead. Gail Hugman 43:19  Tiny bit. Okay, once upon a time, far away in the universe where the stars always twinkle and the angels do the dusting, there lived a young, unseen longing, and his name was Little Hum. We cannot tell you exactly what he looked like, because even to this day, no one has ever really seen a longing, young or old. Now, as is the way with young longings, Little Hum wanted something more than anything in the whole universe, even more than Christmas. Little Hum wanted an adventure. He knew these things could be arranged. And Little Hum is the story of us all. It is to do with the human core and to get his adventure, he discovers he needs a body.Lesley Logan 44:15  Oh my gosh, okay. Well, clearly every single expecting parent and parent in my life is getting books for Christmas.Gail Hugman 44:21  I'm on Amazon. You can get the books on Amazon, and my website is lessonsalive.com. That's me. Lesley Logan 44:30  I'm so grateful for you. I'm grateful for these. If you have any other tips you want to add to this episode, I'm happy to listen to them. If you feel really good about what you gave us, it's so much good stuff. So Be It Action Items for everyone are in here. But what do you think, Gail?Gail Hugman 44:45  I think, I think, yes, I've told you a lot. I don't remember now, it all goes like that. Lesley Logan 44:52  Yeah. It's all right. They're great, Gail Hugman 44:53  Yeah. I hope if there are any questions, you can message them to me and I will answer them if I can, if any of your audience have questions, I'm happy to answer.Lesley Logan 45:03  Yeah, I hope they do. I really hope they do, because I do think that there is an into there's there's a connection between these women being the best versions of themselves and the pressure they put on themselves as parents that are not helping them or their kiddos. And I just want to take that pressure off, because it's this weird pressure that isn't helpful. And there isn't a parenting class. When you go through this thing, you just like, are supposed to know, and then they put this guilt on you, and especially, it's more heavy on the women, and I don't and that, one, that's not fair. But also we don't need to pass it on to anyone else. We just get rid of it. And what if we could teach like this? And I think it's wonderful skill, especially with all the stuff that's changing. Obviously, your kids are going to learn different things in school than you did because of technology, but they could use those three things that you said in that tip. (inaudible) Yeah, those skills. Gail, Gail Hugman, I know your books, you're so amazing. Thank you so much for being here. You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Let Gail know. Send this to a friend. Send this to a parent in your life. If you feel like your parents did this for you, go thank them. That would be a nice thing for them. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 46:11  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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In this episode, Lesley Logan shares her curated list of "passive-aggressive yet professional" scripts designed for those moments when you simply don't have the capacity to engage with negativity. Inspired by Dr. Rachel Selman, she dives into the importance of standing up for human rights and personal values, even when it feels uncomfortable. Lesley also celebrates wins from the community and reflects on her own small but meaningful victory of finally closing a lingering bank account task. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Clever responses from Dr. Rachel Selman for handling draining conversations.Using calm, firm phrases to stand up for beliefs without escalation.Why human rights and due process are fundamental, not political risks.Community win, including teaching a successful mat class for Lululemon.How completing a "small" task cleared a year of mental clutter.Episode References/Links:Dr. Rachel Selman Instagram – https://beitpod.com/cleverresponsesSubmit Wins and Questions – beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Well, we are two thirds of the way through this month, and the equinox is tomorrow, and it's the spring equinox. And I you know there's all these different rituals you could do. Not gonna tell you about any of them, because go look them up and do the one you want to do, or do nothing and just enjoy it. But like, get outside, you know, check out the moon and take care of yourself, right? Like, truly. So this is the Friday episodes. This is non-interview, non-recap, just me sharing what inspired me that I saw on the internet that I was like, oh, I thought of you, Be It babe. Like, you're like, where do I should think is it's because I'm like, oh, I want to share this with you, my listeners, my favorite like the people who like you send me such great stuff. You send me inspirational stuff. You send me your wins. I so appreciate you send your questions in. Keep them coming beitpod.com/questions is where you can type, send your wins in and your questions. We love answering them on Thursdays. It's really a lot of fun. And then I share a win of mine and wins of yours. We can see that, like, there's good stuff happening. We're making magic happen. Lesley Logan 1:45  So this is fun. This is responses I've used on Instagram when I don't have the energy. So these are, like, just going to be some answers that you should take from the show notes, copy and paste into your notes, and then text or respond when you don't have the energy to engage with whatever crap is coming at you. So this one, there's a few. Thanks for the message. I'll give that thought the consideration it deserves. So it's so passive aggressive. It's my fave, so petty. Okay, I disagree, but we are working from different levels of education, so I can see how you got to your conclusion. Ah, good. You seem very committed to your current level of understanding. Have a great day. I'm not persuaded. I'll defer to the conclusions that have already been established. That's an interesting perspective. I'm not sure we're operating on the same level of details. I can see why that might seem right to you. However, the facts still stand. I admire how your opinion remains unchanged despite evidence that contradicts it. So I I'm like keeping this save because in standing up for human rights, I've had many people get mad at me and say, just stick to your Pilates. I really like your Pilates, but I don't like your politics. It's like, you don't have to like my politics or like my Pilates, like, I don't, first of all, you're getting most of it for free. So, you know, like, personally, I just want to go fuck off because, like, you're in it for free. Go away. Like, I'm allowed to have my opinion. Clearly, you think you're allowed to have yours. And, like, sometimes our comments can just, like, live rent free in my head, and I get really annoyed by that. I do think that's part of like, my ADHD. At any rate, because of this Dr. Rachel Selman, who has come up with some great responses. I am just going to use these. And I think they're really great, especially the ones where they're like, he was not, he was like, gonna, like, when it was talking about (inaudible) who was gunned down, executed in front of, like, we can see with our eyes, and it's like, people like, people like, that's not what happened. It's like, okay, well, we're obviously operating on different different worlds. You know? It's like, I can see why that might seem right to you. However, the facts still stand. Great response, better response than what I want to do. It's like, Hmm, I just want to tell you. Like, I just want to, not you listener, like the person who has the fills a goal to tell me I just just shut up and dance like, I just want to tell them to fuck off and or this. So I hope you can see how it gets do you understand, like, but you know, right, like some of you are listening and haven't shared how you feel because you're afraid of those comments. And so my hope is that those responses I just gave you give you a little bit of gumption to stand up for what you believe. And it's never too late. It's never too late. It's not we need everybody in this we need everyone. And human rights and due process are not political. They're like, literally how the world should work. Lesley Logan 4:28  So okay, now for your amazing wins, let me pull them up. Here we go. This one is from jessierodriguezaz. Teaching a successful mat class for Lululemon, but more importantly, looking over and seeing my husband, kids and parents. They're watching and smiling. They're what matters most. Oh my gosh, Jesse, beautiful, wonderful. And I mean, like, ugh, precious. Thank you for sharing that with us. I can just picture it. It's just so beautiful. All right. This one is from pilatesharmony88. More consistent than last week for me. Great. That is a great win. More consistent than last week for me. Wonderful. Good job. Win for you. I love it. Thanks for sharing, because we do need to celebrate that oh, I was better this week than last week. Okay, that's 1% better. Like, why do we have to be perfect? We don't. So send your wins in because I want to, I want to shout them out. I want to shout you out. I want you to remember, like, something that you did for yourself when, like, probably you're listening to something going oh, and then you're like, I had that win last month. Oh, my god, so good. Lesley Logan 5:28  All right, so here's my win. This is gonna sound ridiculous. So I've been, I was really annoyed with my bank, like, two years ago, they sold again, and I've just been like, I hate this bank. I hate it so much every like, I never use the ATM card, because I rarely ever use an ATM card, and the moment I do it, it's like, you know, somehow compromised. I have to go fight for the money. I have to wait for it to come back. It's so annoying. So I'm only gonna use my credit card with that bank and then just pay the money off, right, whatever. But I don't get any benefits from this credit card. And like, it's the worst time in the world to, like, want a new credit card anyway, so I've just kind of, like, stuck with it, but in trying to leave them, I opened up a Credit Union account thinking, like, okay, that'll be good if I want to get a loan or whatever, blah, blah, blah.The Credit Union is farther away and never in a direction that I'm going. And so I just haven't been using their ATM either. And so unfortunately, like, I opened this account 100 bucks, and it's just slowly been losing the money like it was, what a waste. I hope that they enjoyed the money that they got because I just threw it away. But to close the account, I couldn't do it over the phone. I couldn't do it online. I had to go in person and write a letter. And I am happy to say I did that. I finally went and I did it, and I made it fun. I made a whole day of it. I took the dog to the fun dog store that's right there, because I was like, oh, if we're gonna go there, we should, may as well go to the fun dog store. So I'm just really pleased as punch with myself and I got that off of my plate and out of my brain, and it's been there for a year of me going, I have to go close that account. I have to go close that account. It's done. Did it. So that's my win. All right. So do you see? Wins can be anything. Lesley Logan 6:56  All right, this is your mantra to get yourself out on for the weekend. My positive thoughts about myself are my choice. My positive thoughts about myself are my choice. My positive thoughts about myself are my choice. They're your choice, babe, go choose some good ones. All right, thank you for making this podcast a top 1% podcast. Thank you for being you. Thank you for sending your wins in, thank you for listening, thank you for sharing it, and thank you for Being It Till You See It. Bye for now. Lesley Logan 7:21  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 8:04  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 8:09  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 8:14  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 8:21  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 8:24  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell unpack a strategically bold conversation with high-performance coach Molly Asplin about the difference between high achievement and overachievement. They explore why many ambitious people confuse loyalty with strength and how that mindset can quietly lead to burnout. The discussion also dives into how most people are time-blocking their lives without accounting for their natural energy cycles. Whether you are defending a career you no longer enjoy or waiting for the "perfect time" to pivot, this recap might be the nudge you need to start. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Distinguishing between the habits of high achievers and overachievers.The hidden trap of linking professional loyalty with personal strength.Auditing your energy levels instead of relying only on time blocking.Why your peak morning brainpower should go to your hardest task.The power of committing to one bold, courageous move every day.Episode References/Links:Contrology Pilates Conference (Wroclaw, Poland) - xxll.co/polandPilates Workshop (Bruges, Belgium) - xxll.co/brusselsPilates On Tour® (London, UK) - xxll.co/potOPC Spring Training (Virtual Event) - opc.me/eventsSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsWhen: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing By Daniel Pink - https://a.co/d/06aFMhMZMolly Asplin's Website - https://mollyasplin.comMolly Aplin's Podcast - https://beitpod.com/mollyasplinpodcastMolly's Free Resource - mollyasplin.com/momentum If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:01  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the strategically bold convo I had with Molly Asplin in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you can hit pause and go listen to that one, and then listen to this one. If you like to hear the ending first, I don't blame you. I love that. I do that too. Brad Crowell 1:23  She literally does that. Lesley Logan 1:24  I do. I actually tried to get my client today we're talking about the new Love is Blind season. And I was like, I'm only on episode three. She's like, well, I won't ruin it for you, because it's like, obviously she's all the way to Mexico. And those who know Love is Blind know what I'm talking about. And I was like, I don't even remember the names. You could tell what's going on. She's like, No, I don't want to ruin it for you. And I was like, you, I'm gonna Google it like, I know that there's ways to find out who stays together before the recap. So you can ruin it. Brad Crowell 1:49  Ruin it. Lesley Logan 1:50  Except for, you know, what? Brad Crowell 1:52  What? Lesley Logan 1:52  I thought that I would watch glitter and gold documentary, and I would just be okay, a little late to the Olympics, because, you know, I'll just watch it later. Like, not a big deal. You can just Google it later. And then we were listening to a podcast has nothing to do with sports, and they ruined it. Brad Crowell 1:53  Oh, I was laughing at you, because you Google everything. Lesley Logan 1:54  I know, but I hadn't Googled that because I was, like, I was trying to do it the way you wanted me to, and they ruined it. And, you know, when they ruined it, I'm just gonna tell you all in case, I'm gonna ruin it for you now, because you know what it's fucking March. You should know. I know the villains won like the villains won. Anyways.Brad Crowell 2:30  The villains won. Lesley Logan 2:31  Today is March 19th 2026, and it's Companies That Care Day. Companies That Care Day celebrate on the third Thursday in March to encourage employers to start caring for their employees instead of overworking or exploiting them. This year, that would be today. Yes, the happier the employees, the more productive they will be. Most importantly, employers must keep in mind that both physical and mental health can have an impact on the performance of workers. Hence, to have a long lasting there's a comma hence, to have a long lasting workforce that can produce quality work, employees must show that they care. This includes celebrating the success of the employees or honoring them in their great contribution to the company. We kick ass. I think, as best we can at this, I also think that if, like, more companies didn't have to make sure their shareholders were happy, they would make sure their employees are happy. Brad Crowell 3:13  Yeah, I know it's, that's weird, right? Lesley Logan 3:15  You wanna know what's really weird. I just saw a reel where they asked all the like head CEOs of the top health insurance companies, like, if they're publicly traded, raise your hand. They're all publicly traded. Okay, keep your hand raised if you also own a pharmacy. Keep your hand raised if you also own doctor's offices. So the health insurance companies and the states, of course, they are not only publicly traded, which means they have to make sure that they are doing as what they can for profit margins for their stakeholders, but then they own the doctor's offices who prescribe the prescriptions, that own the pharmacies that fill the prescriptions, which means they're in charge of whatever you pay, whether you pay or not, right? It was abhorrent. Brad Crowell 3:59  That makes it a monopoly. They own every part of the chain. Lesley Logan 4:03  Right. Disgusting. Anyway, we. Brad Crowell 4:03  Fascinating. Capitalism at its finest. Lesley Logan 4:04  Yeah? And here's the thing I'm not like, if you are a small business owner in this capitalist society, we do have to play with by the rules that are made. Your IRS is going to want to make sure that you are doing something that's profiting every year. Otherwise, they call it a hobby, but in that, there are ways to make sure that your employees are thought of and not overworked.Brad Crowell 4:29  I was gonna say that those guys are breaking the rules or not playing, or they have no rules for their game they're playing. Not cool, but I, but I agree shifting back here to focusing on companies that care.Lesley Logan 4:41  There's things you can do. There's this one female business owner that she forces the company to be closed one week per quarter. It's built into the schedules. They don't have meetings on there. That way, whatever employees need to do, they can do. Obviously, they could take vacation times other times. But like, you know that's gonna compound their work. But they have that to guarantee. The other thing that they have, they have paid family leave for all parents, no matter the gender. And they also have leave if you had to go to a hospital for sickness, things like that. Like they have all this extra leave. And also, you can take your meetings from anywhere. It's a rule. Wherever you want to take a meeting, you can take a meeting as long as you get your work done, it doesn't matter. That's one way you could do it. We have a wins channel, oh, it's a wins and gratitude channel where, like, different people on our team just thank each other for, like, what they're doing. It's super fun. We celebrate everyone's birthdays on there. And the win isn't like, oh, we nailed this launch. It's like, hey, so and so helped me with this project. And like, that is really fun. We really pride ourselves in that we built in, like, donating. It's not huge numbers. Like, no one's gonna, you know, go a wow, or put Lesley and Brad on the on the wall. But like, we built that in, like, there's ways to do things that make sure that you care in different ways. You just have to build it in. And then you do when you can do better, you do better, you know, so.Brad Crowell 5:53  100% agree, 100% and it's fun. I mean, honestly, it's been a dream of mine to have a team of capable, enthusiastic, yeah, human beings who are experts at what they do, and bring them all together. And it's been really, really fun to make that dream a reality.Lesley Logan 6:16  It's really cool. It's forced. It's also forced us, like, if we want our people to not overwork and get their work done in a timely manner, so they can be happy with their families and be we've had so many people on our team have babies and things like that, then that means we, too can, like, we have to show them that we take time for ourselves. Because otherwise, if they're like, if the boss never stops working, then I can never stop working, right? So those that's another way to care in a company like, if you're like, I don't have any extra. Brad Crowell 6:39  Lead by example. Lesley Logan 6:39  Extra money right now, then lead by example of what you want them to do, and you'll and then you'll build that in. And then the other thing is, like, that means we also hire people who care. You know, we're we were just talking today. This is, you know, you're hearing this in a month ago, month. I don't know. We're in the past, we're in the (inaudible), but we're trying to refill three jobs, and we're struggling to find people that actually aren't just using AI to answer all of the questions. Yeah, it's like, I love that you know how to use AI, but this job that you're gonna do doesn't use it and your personality matters.Brad Crowell 7:09  Well, it can, but that's not the point. We want to know you. Lesley Logan 7:12  Right, well, we're big fans of hiring a personality and trained skills. So like, if you are a bot, then I'm so sorry. We have a bot. We don't need a bot. We need a person who's cool. Anyways.Brad Crowell 7:26  Come hang out with us in Poland, March. We're gonna be there.Lesley Logan 7:30  Yeah, actually, Brad, it's March 19th. Brad Crowell 7:31  Come hang around with us tomorrow in Poland. Because that's where we are right now. Lesley Logan 7:36  Come to the event in Poland. Brad Crowell 7:38  We may or may not have recorded this in the past future. Lesley Logan 7:40  Yeah, and next week you can join us in Bruges, which I've been calling Brussels this whole time. And, well, it'll be in Bruges so.Brad Crowell 7:47  It's near, it's near. Lesley Logan 7:49  I think so also, I also wish I had known that, because, like, people said we're gonna be in Brussels. And then she said, Bruges, I'm like, there's a whole movie. We all saw it. Very hot actor, of course, we saw it. Brad Crowell 7:59  We did? Lesley Logan 7:59  Yes, Colin Farrel, Colin Farrel, right. That's a hot one. That's a hot Colin, right? Brad Crowell 8:00  Hot. Sure. Lesley Logan 8:04  Well, because there's the Colin Firth, not hot, but very great actor, then there's Colin. Is it Colin Farrell? What's his name? Brad Crowell 8:13  I don't know the movie. Lesley Logan 8:15  The movie is called, oh, I'm just messing with my camera. The team hates me, In Bruges.Brad Crowell 8:21  In Bruges is hold on. Lesley Logan 8:25  2008 Yeah, Colin Farrell. Brad Crowell 8:27  I have never seen this.Lesley Logan 8:28  Oh my god. It's so up your alley. It's totally up your alley. I can't believe you haven't seen it. I've seen it so many times. Brad Crowell 8:33  It's about a hit man who shoots people. Lesley Logan 8:34  Yeah, probably not gonna watch. Brad Crowell 8:36  I'm gonna watch that tonight. Lesley Logan 8:37  Go watch it tonight. Okay. And then. Brad Crowell 8:38  I will report back to decide if he's as hot as we're thinking is, I don't know if it's Colin Farrell. Lesley Logan 8:46  Yeah. Then after our second honeymoon in France, which we still haven't planned, but hopefully by the time you're hearing this, we have some idea, we'll be in London for Balanced Bodies On Tour, Pilates On Tour at the time recording this the last I heard about my my workshop says there's only room in the Sunday one, there's a few spots left xxll.co/POTis London. So you want to go to that, guys, we probably won't be in Europe for a while, and I don't say that to frighten you. Brad Crowell 9:14  Yeah, no, I think that's fair. I mean. Lesley Logan 9:16  Transparency and honesty are part of our value system. Brad Crowell 9:19  Here's the reality is, I'm very excited about the idea of going to Australia and New Zealand. We haven't done that together. You have. I have not. And I would love to go. And not only that, I want to spend time driving around in circles in Australia. That one's on my bucket list. Lesley Logan 9:33  Yeah. Yeah, and if you're like, oh my god, when are you coming? This is not planned. This is just, we're putting it out in the universe.Brad Crowell 9:39  What that means is that, if we're going there, that means we're not going here. It's what that ultimately means. And we are going to Cambodia, because we literally put down roots there. So, that will always be on the on the list but.Lesley Logan 9:50  Spring training is in May, and that is online. So if you're like, guys, I can't get on the plane anywhere, I don't have the funds or the time, or whatever, Spring Training, it's going to be all about getting overhead. If you're an OPC member, it will be free for you. You just have to register. Well make sure you check your email for how to do that. If you're not an OPC member yet, you can turn into one and then get it for free, or you can pay for it and then fall in love with us and turn into one, opc.me/events is all your what you want to want to do, so make sure you get the early bird information.Lesley Logan 10:13  Yeah, that'll put you on the wait list. Yeah. opc.me/events, so.Lesley Logan 10:23  Well, we have taken our sweet time getting into this interview, but we still have to answer an audience question. Brad Crowell 10:28  Yeah. So actually, RawsomeYoga from Instagram is asking, hey dou run your biz as an S Corp or an LLC? Lesley Logan 10:37  I actually love this question, because so many people we in our Profitable Pilates coaching years, we've been doing for a very long time. So many people say, my accountant says I don't make enough money. This is obviously, for the people in the States, I don't make enough money to be an S corp and LLC, so I'm a sole proprietor and Brad, why is that, Brad?Brad Crowell 10:57  Oh, I mean, first off, high level, I'm gonna, I'm gonna step back and try to keep this really simple, risk. It's all about risk management. Okay? And what do we mean by that? If the rest, if you're, if you're not in the United States, you're probably laughing, because everyone here likes to sue each other, and so. Lesley Logan 11:14  There's a lawyer for every 100 people.Brad Crowell 11:17  That's insane. Ridiculous. That's insane.Lesley Logan 11:21  Have you met a happy lawyer? Not me. They all become Pilates instructors. So anyways, so to go to just keep going risk is a thing. So if you're a sole proprietor and someone gets hurt doing Pilates with you, and you're in the States and you're a sole proprietor, that means your personal assets become part of what they can take advantage of. And so you want to be an S Corp or an LLC, they have there's different reasons to want to be one or the other, and I don't think we need to bore anybody with this, but you should already have been doing that. If you are a fitness instructor who takes money from clients to teach fitness, I don't care what your accountant says. They are not a lawyer. They're not a lawyer. So you want to pick one of those. Now in California, I can say we weren't S Corp, which was very nice for California and Nevada, I think we are. Brad Crowell 12:12  There's a couple of things to understand here too. Is that when people say S Corp versus LLC, technically they're confusing two things. Okay, so it's actually Corporation versus Limited Liability Corporation or LLC. So it's C Corp versus LLC, you can actually have the S election on both of them. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. So that is a conversation to have with your accountant. Why would you have an S Corp or an S LLC? That's a conversation that you should have with them, because that depends on a lot of different factors, right? But typically, what we're what we mean when we say, Oh, I have an S Corp, it means we have C Corp, a corporation with an S election for the federal government's, you know, understanding. And the reason that we would do that is because it's just a different way of being taxed. Okay, so again, that's why you'd have this conversation with the with your accountant. But high level, you know, the pros of an LLC are that it's, it can be owned by one person, it can be owned by multiple people, but all profits are subject to self employment tax. So like, that's where, this is where the big conversation is, how are you paying yourself? How are you paying your team? Do you have a team? You know, pros for an LLC is that it's simple, relatively flexible. The cons of an LLC, well, it traditionally was that, you know, and this is hearsay, because I don't have any proof on this, but the new guy at the IRS who was doing audits was always going through the LLCs. They were very rarely going through the corporations. Corporations are typically larger companies.Lesley Logan 13:48  Yes, that's what my accountant told me when he brought me into his office. You never want to get called in. Calls me in, done my taxes for like, two years, and he's like, Hey, we have to change how you're filing, because you're gonna get audited. Because people get audited the most are sole proprietors, and they are the bottom of the totem Well, actually, can't say that, because the bottom of the totem pole is the best of the people. I was just educated. So they are the youngest, newest. They've not like. All they do is like these and so, and they're easy, like, kind of, kind of be an asshole and audit you because you're a sole proprietor, and it's not a ton of stuff to go through, whereas the people who are auditing the S corps or the corporations they have supposedly have had more experience. So they understand that corporations have multiple locations for rent. They understand that corporations have multiple different types of write offs. So I chose a corporate because I was like, I want the best. I want to I want.Brad Crowell 14:40  Well also about that time we weren't married and you didn't have, like, the the there's a very clear tax benefit to having a multi member LLC versus a single member LLC. I remember this whole conversation, so because you didn't have a partner, no, then you went in the corporation route because it was better for taxing. So and then eventually.Lesley Logan 15:01  And then you proposed a month later. And I was like, Well, me, that would have been nice information a month ago. But at any rate, whatever you choose is going to be a conversation about your growth strategy, your goals for your business, with your accountant, and if you have an accountant that says you don't, you shouldn't do either of these. You should get a new accountant, because that person does not understand the risk, and they also are clearly not understanding, like your growth strategy.Brad Crowell 15:25  Yeah, no, I do want to clarify. If you're an employee for someone. Lesley Logan 15:28  Oh, this doesn't matter. Brad Crowell 15:29  Yeah, none of this matter, because you you know. And what I mean to say is, if you are only an employee for someone, if you're still taking clients on the side, this matters, but if you are not taking clients on the side, and you're an employee for someone, then what you need is just typical teacher liability insurance and youre, yeah, the studio.Lesley Logan 15:49  Make sure that you are classified as an actual employee. Oh, this is because way too many this pisses me off. It really pisses me off. Way too many studios are misclassifying their teachers as 1099s, right? Yeah. They're not W2. Brad Crowell 16:06  They're, correct. So what is that for people have no idea what we mean, so they're not employee versus contract. Lesley Logan 16:11  So they're treating like a contract. Brad Crowell 16:13  So if you are an ICA or an independent contractor, oh, IC, sorry. Brad Crowell 16:18  Yeah, an IC, that you so I don't a true IC means you make your own schedule, you have your own insurance, you have your own waivers. You take the payments, you decide how much money you're charging. True, true, true. You would have already even part of the conversation Brad and I had already. If you think you're an employee somewhere, but they are treating you like an IC as far as taxes go, and they are trying to sell to you like it's better for you, because it means you get write offs. Get write offs. You actually are under that risk part that makes me really nervous and then you would need to. Brad Crowell 16:46  Now we're talking like, should you have a company so that you can protect your own, like, house, car, 401(K) whatever.Lesley Logan 16:48  Let's say the equipment at the studio you're at breaks.Brad Crowell 16:55  Let me just finish my thought, is that if you're an employee, and only an employee and a proper W2 employee, then the studio has the insurance. So if, if someone were to sue, they wouldn't be suing me, Brad, the employee, they might. I might be named in the suit, but really, they're suing the company. Lesley Logan 17:16  Yeah, the company's insurance would do it, yeah. Brad Crowell 17:17  So then, so, yeah, that's the big difference.Lesley Logan 17:20  So you can see why I get really, like, I get really pissed when people are misclassified because you don't understand the liability that you're set under, and then they try to cloak it in, oh, it's better for you. It's it could be, yeah, if you know that, and you are insured properly, and your business is set up properly, sure.Brad Crowell 17:37  Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, hey, that was, that was welcome to Brad time.Lesley Logan 17:40  Send your question. These are things we do at Agency, by the way, in our office hours. So send your questions into beitpod.com/questions or text us at 310-905-5534, that's a plus one. If you're out of the country, I don't know your tax systems, but happy to answer. Brad Crowell 17:53  Yeah. Or if you don't want to text internationally, go to beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions or you can leave us both a question or a win, because we'll use those wins on the FYFs the Friday pod. So we should be getting wins all the time, people, I'm gonna tell you that we're not getting enough wins.Lesley Logan 18:15  People, sometimes you guys, DM them to me, and I actually don't know if you want them to stay private, and so then I don't know, so I need you to send them into this thing so that I know that I can share it. I'm happy to celebrate in the DMs with you, but, like, also, you won't hear it on the pod, because I won't know if I can.Brad Crowell 18:34  Yeah, so be it pod.com/questions. All right, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Molly Asplin, and we're going to dig into, you know, why she has her podcast, what she does and how she is kicking ass and taking names. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 18:49  Welcome back. Welcome back. Let's talk about Molly Asplin. Molly is the host of the Dream It, Do It podcast, and a high performance coach who works with the with high achieving women who feel like there's something more or something different for their lives and careers than what they're currently doing and and I'm already like, ready to jump into the conversation, because I thought it was a really amazing thing to be a distinguish between over achieving and high achieving. Love this. Okay, anyway, after spending 10 years in corporate finance, she made the shift into coaching and now supports women in exploring what they're truly good at, what they enjoy, and how they bring more of that into the work and life that they love, whether they're pivoting into something new or finding fulfillment where they are. Lesley Logan 19:33  So yeah, I mean, I want to jump in on what you were saying. Because, like, I actually have only ever heard of overachieving, right? So when I heard the word high achieving, I was like, is that just like a rebrand of overachieving, but it's not. It's it's not. And as a recovering overachiever and perfectionist, I actually was like, Oh, I could still want to achieve things and not end up in my addiction. So, right? Like, I.Brad Crowell 20:05  I feel like, I feel like, you know, like, if you compared it to this idea of high performance, we've probably heard of high performance athlete, usually is, what is the next word that comes, you know, but, but it's very rare that you hear of over performance athlete. No, he don't, well, I mean, I mean, probably just because no one uses that phrase, but I think there certainly are those kinds of people.Lesley Logan 20:26  Well, anyway, she said, I think it was, I think it was I liked, that we finally got to, like, address that. Because I don't think on any of the episodes of having someone talk about, like, performance and achievement, that, like, we distinguish the difference between the two, and I think that that's really helpful. And then she also said, like, a lot of times with high achievers, and I would say, I would also say, with the overachievers, we, they. I said we, because hello, associate loyalty with strength. Like you say to yourself, I need to stick this out. I'm a loyal person. And this is something that, like, I come across a lot of times with. I just had a coaching call with one of our members, and she's like, Oh, this person's leaving in May. And I'm like, are they bringing you any benefit right now? No, it's costing me a lot of money right now. Why are they staying until May? Well, I mean, I told her she could, like the loyalty part of it, and I'm like, no, no, no, there's nothing. There's no law that says you have to do that. They're an employee at an at will state. Like, you can say, thank you so much for your time. This will be your last date. But, like, I understand this from a different perspective, and I'll share it like I think it's on episode.Brad Crowell 21:31  Y'all were talking about burnout, right, and being the person who is an overachiever, being in the environment, and then what are the story that we tell ourselves? We tell ourselves, well, you know, we might not even be like explicitly saying I'm loyal, but that's how I used to define myself. I'm loyal to a fault. Yes, well, the irony is that it was my own fault. I was hurting myself.Lesley Logan 21:58  I think companies that care come in as well, because like, so companies that don't care will take people like you and I, who are like, Oh, I'll help with that. Oh I'll help with that, and they won't go, wow, that person is taking on a lot. Maybe we should take some things off of their plate so that they can do these things, right?Brad Crowell 22:14  I literally just had this conversation with someone on our team who's like, this project is shifting, and in the interim it will, it'll basically come back to me, and I'll be handling this role of it. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I, that is not, that's not for you, that shouldn't be for you, and I'm grateful that you're willing to do it, but that's that's the wrong your efforts are better than that, like, bigger than that. Or, you know, the way you think is bigger than that. So how do we adjust it so that this doesn't land back on your plate? It shouldn't. Lesley Logan 22:50  Right and so I think, like, if you're someone who's like, because you said you would do it, you're having a hard time taking yourself away from it. Or you're finding yourself going, Oh, once this happens, then I'll give my notice. Or once this happens, then I'll break up with this person. Or once this happens, then I'll it's like the reality is, is like that somewhere in the waiting till this happens, you will take on something else for them and or something else. And so it's really important that you understand you can still be loyal and strong and a committed team member and stop doing it, like you can't, there's conversations that might have to be had, there's things, but I think it's important to, like, at least spot it in yourself, so that you can recognize when you're doing it. Yeah, and something that I'm having a hard time with in my own life is like, I know that I'm someone who is very present when I'm with you, like I try really, really hard to when a friend visits or a family member is visiting, not so much with people I live with, but the people who are visiting they're really hard to clear my schedule be really intentional about them knowing how much time I have all these different things, which means that I might not respond to a text for a bit, because I I can't be present in the conversation at the time. I would have to, like, sit down, think about it, answer it. I can't just read it and move on. Like, I have to, I have to close the loop, right? That's who I am and so.Brad Crowell 24:11  Well, also, too, it's not just that. It's like, it's like, if you're gonna say something and then that, you know they're gonna respond back, but you know you won't be able to get to that response, like.Lesley Logan 24:21  I can't do it. I That's not wrong. That's just like, like, I can't be there for the ping-ponging back and forth. And so for me, I am really trying to honor that about myself. I'm a high achiever. I don't want to be overachiever. Brad Crowell 24:41  You know, that's how they used to sell Slack. That was literally the the selling point. Lesley Logan 24:45  Keep the ping-pong going. Brad Crowell 24:45  Yep, no, well, not the key, not that wasn't, they didn't say it like that, but it was effectively like, you get to it when you when you can get to it. Oh, and that was like the selling point was like, Oh yeah, they can leave you a message. You can come circle back when you're ready.Lesley Logan 24:52  That is also how Slack feels for like, to me, and text messages feel like you're supposed to respond, you know, so, like, because I can't, because I'm working on just like, not over committing myself, I'm not responding, which is, in turn, you know, some people don't like that, because that's effect that's changing the boundaries and the status quo that they're used to. And I am working really hard and going it doesn't mean I'm not loyal to them. It doesn't mean I don't love them. It just means I can't do it right now. So I'm just sending that to you because, like, if you're trying to recalibrate, which is what Molly talked about. She said, if you find yourself defending what you're doing more than you're enjoying it, complaining about it a lot, but you're just fine at the same time, it might be time to recalibrate. And I think that recalibration means like, not just like going to a hotel and like getting a spa weekend and like, yes, or just that time, take some time to go okay, what? What can I change here? What can I share here? What can I ask for help on? Can I say, Hey, I know I said I could do this. It's taking a little more bandwidth than I thought. Is it possible to get some help on these things or postpone these due dates if you told family members you would do something, and that is like actually becoming something that you're frustrated by? Is it possible say, Hey guys, unless somebody really wants to do this, do you mind if I like, cater it? Do you mind if I like, is there someone else? Like, it's okay.Brad Crowell 26:04  Asynchronous communication tool is what that is called, by the way, down this rabbit hole.Lesley Logan 26:09  I heard the typing. I was like, what is he doing? What did I say? Anyways, I just, I just want to say, if, if this episode resonated with you. Hello, I see you. I see you. And you're still loyal, and you're still an amazing, committed person, even if you are taking step backs from things, taking more time on things, asking for space on things, it doesn't mean you're an asshole.Brad Crowell 26:33  Doesn't mean you're an asshole. Love that. Lesley Logan 26:35  Yeah, that's my next book. You're not an asshole. You need space.Brad Crowell 26:43  Well, I really loved when she was talking about high achievers, who are generally good at time blocking and getting stuff done, but they're actually not great at. Lesley Logan 26:53  They're not, naturally. Brad Crowell 26:55  They're not managing their energy well. So while they might be like, Okay, I'm blocking out this time to do this, I'm blocking out that time to do that.Lesley Logan 27:05  Brad, this isn't This is insane. This is, like, literally every single woman that we work with,Brad Crowell 27:10  Oh, I was gonna say it's very much me, too. Lesley Logan 27:11  Yeah, they're, you're, they're so good at time blocking, but not necessarily putting the blocks of time when the energy is there.Brad Crowell 27:19  And specifically what she was talking about, and this is what made me laugh, is it's one of I've heard this a million times, but for some reason this really stood out to me this time was when you're thinking what your brain is like at the best capacity, relatively early in your day, in the morning, And that's like science, right? So.Lesley Logan 27:42  Unless you're an owl, there's owls and larks and. Brad Crowell 27:44  Well, for sure that, for sure that is me. Lesley Logan 27:47  Daniel Pink wrote a book. I can't tell you which book it is, but you can just look up which one has time management there. And he explains there is, like, a small percentage of population who are naturally designed to be night people, but most people are beginning of the day.Brad Crowell 28:02  His book is called When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing, 2018. So, When. Lesley Logan 28:09  You know what, it's crazy, I can remember when he said that in a podcast, and where I was walking home to our apartment in LA, but the title of the book not in there.Brad Crowell 28:18  Well, well anyway, so most high achievers are taking their morning when their brains are the best, you know, like processing time, and they're using it for dumb things like responding to emails or random things that set them down a side trail, when instead they shouldn't be focusing on like the big project that's going to move the ball forward on the company. Lesley Logan 28:43  I think that's the eat the frog mantra, right? There's the eat the frog first you do the big thing in the earlier part of your day.Brad Crowell 28:49  Yeah or, you know, hug the cactus, yeah. But, but the you're right, it's the eat the frog concept of, like, all right, get it out of the way, because your brain is functioning the best then, but we are letting ourselves be be taken down these other random trails by stuff that is not.Lesley Logan 29:09  After lunch, after I've had lunch.Brad Crowell 29:13  I mean, think about it, from the studio.Lesley Logan 29:15  I am the worst, the worst at creative stuff after I've had a lunch. Like, I, I'm a little different now that we've had the Adderall. I'm not gonna lie, like I actually wasn't pretty impressed myself what I did in the afternoon. But I naturally the I'm good at teaching and coaching. I can actually really present and pour into somebody else, but to, like, creatively, think about some project. No, no, that would be a good time for me to do my emails if I had to.Brad Crowell 29:42  Yeah, today was really interesting. I actually did my that kind of stuff, Slack, emails at the end of the day. Lesley Logan 29:49  Do you like it? Brad Crowell 29:49  Yeah, actually, I thought it was good. I mean, it didn't set me up for the phone call I had at five o'clock but. Lesley Logan 29:55  But it's a new system, so, you just said now, you had to figure that out. Brad Crowell 29:59  Yeah that was the first time I was like, oh, oops. Anyway, the point is that if you have a bigger project that's going to move the company forward, you want to do it in the day, like for studio owners, imagine, you know, waking up in the morning and the first thing you do is, like, pull out the dust pan and broom and you sweep the studio. You're like, wasting your brain on the on something that is just mundane. Lesley Logan 30:20  And just in case you're not a company or a studio owner, this could be, like, life stuff, you know, like a lot of people on the weekends are like, oh, I want to do this big thing. I want to, like, clean out my closet. But you don't do that in the morning. You like, go grocery shopping, you organize the clean the kitchen. Like, in fact, if you were to do that in the beginning part of your day, when you have a lot more energy, and then you did the other stuff at the slower time, it would be better. Brad Crowell 30:46  Yeah. Well, you know. Lesley Logan 30:48  I mean, Molly can tell you how to manage your time. What we're saying is, if you're listening to this podcast, you're probably someone who time blocks the fuck out of your life and doesn't have the energy to do what you've time blocked. Here's your sign. Brad Crowell 30:59  You know, I mean, also too, we're so distracted, right? It's so easy for like, I can't tell you how many times I actually caught myself today, which is really interesting, that I hopped on to dig into Slack, the chat, you know, to get through everything for the team. The first thing I did took me to my email, which took me to this other thing, took me this other thing, took me to this other thing. And then, like, all of a sudden, 10 or 15 minutes had gone by. I was like, what was I even doing? Oh, I literally got to one message in what I was trying to do, which was Slack, right? It's like, oh, okay, hold on. I'm this is not a win. Like, also, too, I the notifications on my phone, if my phone is up, it's like, every every two minutes. So like minimizing those that's important to do you know, but effectively, when you know this about yourself, if you can reorient your projects so that your morning or your when your peak time that your brain is functioning is when you're doing the thing that needs to actually happen to get things done, you're going to love life so much better. Yeah. All right, stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to dig into those Be It Action Items that we got from Molly Asplin in a moment. Brad Crowell 32:09  All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Molly Asplin? She was talking about pivoting to something new, like changing things, you know, in mid stride. Pivoting usually is like, I'm going this way and now I'm changing it to go that way, right? So she's saying that it's not about taking this big leap immediately. For her, she did it in a little bit more of a thoughtful way. She said, you usually already know what your next bold move is, just kind of inherently know. But the question is, when are we ready to tackle that thing right? And it's very easy to say, I'm going to get to say, I'm going to get to it, I'm going to get to it, I'm going to get to it. So how do we actually get to it? And she was talking about her clients, and she's like, you know, she had a client say to her, I want to start a podcast, and I'm going to do that at some point. And she's like, Well, why don't you start it now? And she's like, Oh, I guess. I guess I could start it now. Lesley Logan 33:22  Yeah, start recording. You don't have to figure it out. You can always add an intro later, like you don't have to have the name figured out. You could just, like, start recording yourself.Brad Crowell 33:31  Yeah, but, but, but that left her, that led her down to this tool that she uses that is like, one bold move a day, one bold, one bold, courageous move a day. And that means, after 30 days, you have done 30 bold, courageous moves, right? And so what is a bold, courageous move? What could that be? It might be like actually responding to the text message you've been avoiding. Lesley Logan 33:54  Yeah, that could be bold. Brad Crowell 33:57  It might be making the phone call that you're like, I just don't want to take the time. Well, if you do it when your brain is active, the most active, you know, it will be less burdensome for y'all.Lesley Logan 34:07  For my ADHD people listening, you'll be shocked how quickly it it goes if it's the phone call you've been avoiding, like, I hate, well, it's not, I mean, like, it's true. It's an actual sign of ADHD. So, and because you and I have it, and we attract people who are, like most of our listeners probably like, you're really good at, like, a lot of, like, big thinking projects, but like, you know, calling your accountant just feels like the most annoying thing to do, and then you like, thank God I got their voicemail. Like, you know what I mean? No, just me, but the other day, I had to make two phone calls. And I was so shocked that I was able to do two phone calls in five minutes. And I was like, whoa. Why did I put that off for like, 72 weeks, like, so I just would say, like, do it when you have the high energy for it. I like that. I like that.Brad Crowell 34:54  Yeah, you know, but, but, but then, like, also, too, it starts a progression, one bold move a day. Lesley Logan 34:59  That's how confidence is built, by the way, by doing the same. Brad Crowell 35:02  Messy action. Lesley Logan 35:03  And then, by the way, I'll just that'll go into my thing, think about that thing, and then you want to do the future and then do it today. Like, it's actually like, don't, like, Don't go, Oh, I'm gonna talk to my friend about doing it. No. Like, go do it. Send the email. Like, hire the coach. Like, oh, I've been really wanting to get on this dating app so I could find something, put the build up the profile like do the actual thing. Because one, you'll be surprised how quickly some of these things are able to be done in our head, that we've built up to be this hard thing that we have to do. Brad Crowell 35:30  Oh, me too. Lesley Logan 35:31  So take the actual action, and don't let that get covered up with plans of just thinking about it. I'll tell you one thing, one way to really irk my you know, situation is if you just keep talking about the thing you're going to do with me, I can't. I don't have patience for it. So I don't it's how, it's how I met Brad. Y'all want to know this girl friend of mine just kept complaining about the scarf she lost, and I had the exact same scarf. I love that scarf. And I said, if you want, you can have my scarf, the one that you lost. I have the other one, but you're gonna do it with Brad, because I just needed her to shut up, like, go buy a new scarf. Go call the thing. Go see if there's a lost and found or it's a fucking I can't so anyways, I'm clearly not the person to call for you to repeat yourself. I'm gonna tell you, take the actual action, and then if you want to understand how to get momentum going, she did share a free resource called Momentum Builder at mollyasplin.com/momentum.Brad Crowell 36:29  Yeah, that's Molly A-S-P-L-I-N dot com mollyasplin.com/momentum, it's pretty cool, like you can print it out. She she recommends doing it monthly, and it helps you build that momentum. And if you take one bold move a day, by the time you're done 30 days, you're ready to fill out another one of these Momentum Builders. Lesley Logan 36:47  This is so great for so many people I know who listen to this podcast or in Agency, because they're like, I just need to figure the system that helps me get the things done. Like, just keep writing new lists down. And this Momentum Builder. All right, I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 36:59  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 37:00  You're amazing. We're so grateful for you. I hope you enjoyed we had Clare the last two weeks for the recap, so hopefully you enjoyed that she'll be back for a recap coming up, because she's excited about the guest so once, so you'll hear from her again. But we appreciate you guys letting someone else jump in on these recaps. Sometimes it's for me, sometimes for Brad, and we appreciate that you share this with a friend. So share this with a friend who you're tired of hearing them complain about the thing that they think they're gonna do. They won't know why you did it until this point. So at any rate, until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 37:31  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 37:32  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Are you wearing your exhaustion as a badge of honor or staying loyal to a fault? High-performance coach Molly Asplin joins Lesley Logan to unpack why burnout doesn't always look like a breakdown. In this episode, she explains how treating your recovery like an athlete and recognizing early “orange flags” can keep ambitious women from running on empty. Tune in to learn how to bookend your days, take bold moves while you're still in the seas If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why burnout can feel like restlessness and not exhaustion.The crucial difference between a high achiever and an overachiever.Recognizing the "orange flags" before you hit a breaking point.Strategies to pivot careers without immediately quitting your job.The simple “bookend” habit that protects your energy daily.Episode References/Links:Molly Asplin's Website - https://mollyasplin.comMolly Asplin's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/molly.asplinMolly Aplin's Podcast - https://beitpod.com/mollyasplinpodcastLesley's Episode in Molly's Podcast - https://beitpod.com/lesleyepisodeMolly's Free Resource - mollyasplin.com/momentumGuest Bio:Molly Asplin is a high-performance coach who helps ambitious women sustain their drive without burning out. A former corporate finance professional, she spent a decade climbing the ladder while quietly questioning whether success on paper truly aligned with who she was. After navigating her own seasons of burnout and transition, Molly built a coaching practice dedicated to helping high achievers recalibrate, pivot with intention, and build lives that energize rather than exhaust them. As an entrepreneur and mom of three, she intimately understands the pressure to 'do it all.' Through her coaching and her podcast, The Modern High Performer (formerly Dream It, Do It), Molly blends practical strategy with mindset work, guiding women to manage their energy like athletes, recognize early “orange flags,” and take bold, aligned action without blowing up their lives. 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Like this comes up for a lot of high achievers. They're associating, like, loyalty with strength, and so like, I need to stick this out. I'm a loyal person. I want like approval. I do what I'm saying I'm gonna do, but it it might just be that it's time to recalibrate.Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:02  Hi, Be It babe. Okay. This is amazing. This interview is amazing. Get your pen and paper out. You're also going to absolutely want something that she is offering you at the end. And I mean it in like, those of you who like a journal, you're gonna like this like a like a planner. Molly Asplin is our guest, and she is an incredible coach for high achieving women, which is very different we talk about, than over achieving. We talk about burnout, we talk about prioritization of self. I really loved how she presented burnout and prioritizing yourself, and like ways to do it. It's different than I know we talked about a lot here, but it's different than we've ever talked about it. So I really am excited for you to hear this. I absolutely think you're gonna share it with a friend. There are some definite signs your friend is going to need this. And so I'm just gonna let us get into it. Here's Molly Asplin. Lesley Logan 1:49  Hey, Be It babe. I am super excited for today's convo, because when I was looking over like, what we could talk about, I was like, oh yeah, preventing burnout. I'm well, we're all in. In fact, I just had, literally had someone asked me, how do you know you need a rest? And I was like, if you were waiting until you need a rest to take a rest, we have a problem. But our guest today is Molly Asplin, and she is amazing. Molly, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Molly Asplin 2:12  I can. I'm so happy to be here, Lesley. I'm a high performance coach, so I, too, am a recovering perfectionist, workaholic. I have beat burnout a few different times, and so I very much connect with what your what your friend just asked you. But yeah, I work with high achieving women who feel like there could be something more or something different in their life. I spent 10 years in corporate finance and was sort of driving to work every morning feeling like, is this really it? And I feel like there's something different for me, and I was getting promoted and moving up in the company and stuff, but I'm like, this, this doesn't feel like me. And so I had to make some hard decisions that sort of felt guilty for me at the time, because I'm like, This is what I'm supposed to be doing. This is what looks really good on paper. It's responsible. But then I pivoted and created, created my own coaching business, and now I really help women just find what they're good at and like, what they really feel like they have a strength in, and either pivot in that direction or, like, do something fulfilling on the side that brings more of that into their life. It might be a career, career transition, or it might just be stepping into more alignment with who they are.Lesley Logan 3:23  I love this journey because I feel it feels very familiar. I also want to just like a couple things. I want to point out there's a very difference to an overachiever and a high achiever, right? Like high achieving is not this thing that you have to like stop being or you should feel bad about. Overachieving is kind of like when we do a little, we don't know when enough is enough. Molly Asplin 3:43  Yeah. Like, overcompensating, right? Lesley Logan 3:45  Yes, yes. I also, I also really liked, you know, like, we all go on kind of a journey, and you talked a bit about, like, burnout, like, can you maybe share, like, what burnout looked like for you? Because I think it's a little, I think it's actually very similar for a lot of people, just different clothes, but maybe.Molly Asplin 4:01  Totally. So I was not having like, panic attacks or anything like that. I started to feel very restless, and I started to feel like my days were very monotonous and boring, I'll even say, and I started to feel like I was losing my edge, and I'm like, am I just, like, not ambitious anymore, or, like, what's going on here? And, you know, you hear, like, the rat race or the hamster wheel like that, all felt very real to me. And it was just like, yeah, is this really it? And so for me, it came in the form of, like, very mundane, like, I don't think I can do this my whole life. And then it led me to, like, question my ambition, when really I just I needed a change.Lesley Logan 4:45  I thank you, because I do think people are expecting the burnout to be a panic attack. They're in bed, they can't do anything. And it can actually be that you could be showing up every day to work, but bored and blah, like not overwhelmed or underwhelmed.Molly Asplin 5:01  Like, not alive, and I'm like, an alive person, so I'm like, something, something is up here. Yeah.Lesley Logan 5:08  Okay, so then, how do you, I guess, like, so, how do you go from, like, recognizing that you're burnt out to knowing, like, what tools to help? You know, because I do think it's a real question people like, how, like, what? How do you prioritize? How do you not burn out? And it's like, some of the obvious questions are, like, well get sleep and drink some water. But also, like, where do you start? Because once you're in the ditch, it's kind of hard to know where, how to, like, climb out of it. Molly Asplin 5:33  Well and it's interesting Lesley, because as a high achiever, and probably some of your listeners can relate to this, I was like, oh, well, I just need to get the next promotion, or, like, I just need a different job. Like, I start, I just, like, looked outside of myself, and I did some of those things, but then nothing was fixing the problem. I'm like, a few months later, I was like, back in the same cycle, and so I realized, like, I need to go inward on this, and I need to figure out, like, what's really important to Molly, and I so that's really when I went on my own journey of, like, self-discovery. And I started getting more into personal development. I started taking care of myself a lot better, like you said, sleep, water, working out. I, like, started carving out time for myself in the morning, journaling. And those things sound cliche, but like when you I think there is a compound effect with them, and for me, it was probably, like, after six months of doing that, I'm like, I I'm gonna make a transition of some sort, and like, I'm gonna do things, something that's like, way more aligned with my strengths and skills that I really want to use. Lesley Logan 6:37  Oh yeah, I am getting to, like, taking that time to like, who is who is Lesley, who is Molly? Like, I don't, I'm sure most of us haven't taken the time to do that since we were like a child. And even then, when did you have the time? Except when, like, you're a little kid, and they're like, Okay, what color is your hair? Like you're practicing, you know those things, figuring that step out. You mentioned, like, I'll just take another promotion. I resonate with that so much I had to quit a job because I was like, they're gonna promote me again, and I don't have to say no, like, I'm such a high achiever, I'm like, they're gonna offer me this gig, and I'm not gonna, I don't know how to say no, so I'm just gonna quit.Molly Asplin 7:14  Well, and high achievers that does come up, they're like, I wish I would just get laid off. Some of them will tell that to me, because they're like, I don't want to do this anymore. But like, I'm not going to decide to do like they wish they would kind of be forced out.Lesley Logan 7:27  Here's a sign.Molly Asplin 7:29  Yeah, that's a big sign. That's a big one. Lesley Logan 7:31  Okay, so then now that you, like, have gone through the burnout, you've gone the other side. You obviously like, help people with this. What are, looking back, like, what are some things that maybe we could see as, like, orange flags before the red flag of bored or, you know, for some people, panic attacks, like, what are some signs that, like, we're a little bit getting close to the tank is empty?Molly Asplin 7:54  Okay, so this is a big one, and usually once I name it, people are like, Oh yeah, I'm doing that, or I have done that, and it's, are you loyal to a fault like this comes up for a lot of high achievers. They're associating like, loyalty with strength. And so, like, I need to stick this out. I'm a loyal person. I want like approval. I do what I'm saying, I'm gonna do, but it, it might just be that it's time to recalibrate. And so that was a big one for me. Like loyalty to a fault. If you find yourself defending what you're doing more than you're enjoying it. But like defending meaning, like you're complaining about it a lot and you're like, but it's really flexible, but how life is.Lesley Logan 8:36  Yes, and by the way, this is not your job. It's just two ladies, like, sometimes this is your friends or your family members or your boyfriend or your partner. Molly Asplin 8:43  That's so true, Lesley, and so you'll you'll kind of know, like, now that I'm saying it, hopefully it brings awareness to it, but you'll notice like, wow, I'm really, like, kind of complaining about this, but then I'm justifying it. Maybe it's just time to take the facts for the facts and change.Lesley Logan 9:00  Yeah. Oh, that's a good one. Oh, I see that in so many people. I'm like, I definitely, I definitely can remember when I was doing it with the job that, like, I was good at, I was good at, and I probably had I taken that promotion, would still be there, and I'd make good money and have a very secure in air quotes ish job, but I would, I think I would have been bored, but I remember defending, oh, but, like, they have really good health insurance, or oh, but I get to work around these people, oh, I'm learning a lot, and it's like, yeah, at the at the same time, I'm also not sleeping because I'm so stressed out all the time. Molly Asplin 9:40  Yeah. Like, it's flexible, but you're not sleeping, so there's a problem.Lesley Logan 9:43  Yeah, not really, but flexible. Okay, I love those. Those are some good orange oranges flags or just some reflection things to be thinking about. So I guess, like, when you were on your journey, was it because you are a high achiever and you had, like, success, in what you were doing, it just was, you know, not exactly. It was like, all there, is this all there is? What was it like to make the switch? Was there uncertainty? How did you like because I feel like a lot of people, the biggest problem with, like, switching to something new is that, like, well, now I'm a beginner, but over here I'm an advanced expert. Like, it's hard to be a beginner again.Molly Asplin 10:20  It is. And I mean, I'm a pretty risk averse person, like my background is accounting, like, I'm very analytical, and so I didn't, like make big changes by, like, blowing up my whole world, and like taking this big leap immediately. I did it in a more thoughtful way, which I think a lot of people do relate with. And so what I recommend is, like, starting to take some bold moves, like, while you're in the mundane, the stuck, the orange flags or the red flags, but you can start to make some bold moves. And usually, you know what those are. Like, usually everyone kind of knows, like, oh yeah, I should probably start, like, networking, or talking with Lesley about something, or talking with my, you know, friend who is another high achiever, or I should make a phone call, or I should update my resume, or I should start doing Pilates. Or, like you usually kind of know that, like next bold move, and it's not usually like I'm gonna quit my job tomorrow, for most people, but if you can get in the habit of making one bold, courageous move a day. I do think it, like, keeps the stuck away.Lesley Logan 11:26  Oh, and also, like, if you think about that, in 30 in a month of 30 days, that's 30 bold moves. It's kind of amazing. I think we have to do five or 10, and that's impossible, and keep the stuck away. Like, I hope you make a sticker of that. So this kind of brings me to something that you're, like, really known for, which is, like, being her now, which is obviously a very be it till you see it kind of a thing, right? Some of the people I know, they're like, they just want, they want to just, like, cut it and go all the way over. They don't want, you know, but I'm always of the I'm also risk averse, because I didn't. I'm not an accountant by any means, and I'm sure every listener already knows that, but I would rather have a runway and, like, you know, like, a slowly, like, yeah, a little bit of a plan. And also, like, okay, as I have this over here, I can let go of this over here, and as this over here, I can let go and then, and then I can make a leap, right? Like, I don't have to have the bridge fully built, but just enough that I can jump off of it and land on my own two feet would be really great. So I'm a big fan, but a lot of people have a hard time because they're like, you know, I don't want to do this anymore. I want to do this over here. So to me, the being her now would kind of help with that, like, I don't know, would it?Molly Asplin 12:35  100% yeah, you need to, like, practice and start acting as if and walking into that right away. You don't need likely, another degree, you don't need more credentials, you don't need more proof, you don't need more time like you really do have to start embodying that and showing up at it as it, and I've had to do that in like every big transition or pivot. It's like, Well, I gotta just step into it and start acting like that, showing up like that, and then all the it's kind of weird. Lesley, you've experienced, I'm sure, and then all of a sudden it like matches, yeah? And you're like, Oh, I'm living out what I kind of wanted to live out.Lesley Logan 13:14  Yeah, yeah. It's really, I mean, it's really true. I mean, you know, if you're someone who's like, well, when I have this, then I'll be less busy. It's like, well, if you were less busy, what is something like, what are the things you would do with that time? And then, like, how can you, oh, I would go for a walk around my neighborhood with my dog. Well, how can you just walk up to the sidewalk and back? Like, how can you just start to put that in place and all of a sudden, you know, is that kind of it? Like, it's like, it's like, doing some of the things that that person would be doing.Molly Asplin 13:42  Doing some of the things like, I'll have women say, like, Well, I would really like to start a podcast someday. And I'm like, Well, why don't you just start the podcast? They're like, Oh, yeah, I guess I could. It's like, we're waiting for something to arrive when you literally can, like, start it now.Lesley Logan 13:58  Yeah, yeah. And if that scares you, you're like, I don't have an editor. You could just go live on something, you know, you could just, you could even, like, make it small and just go live, start going live, and then save the recording so that you have a podcast when you're ready you know.Molly Asplin 14:13  Here's another great tactical example, Lesley, I have a high performance client. She's got a great corporate job, and she's like, I really want to get into the self-development space and speak and train. And I'm like, why don't you practice doing that in said corporate job now? She's always like, leading meetings and things. And she's like, Oh yeah, I guess, I guess I could. It's like, practice the skill. Practice like elevating yourself in whatever environment you can right now, because you're going to need that practice for the big stage later anyway. Lesley Logan 14:45  Well, because I mean, like, and I love this, and it's going to sound like common sense when we say it out loud, but also, I think we all need to hear it like when you see someone speak on stage. That's not the first stage they spoke on. They spoke on stages that were much smaller. They spoke on stage with one person. They, you know, they did, they did the thing before they got invited to the big stage. So you definitely don't want your first invite to be the biggest stage you've ever been on. So starting with the audience or the pond you have is a great way to being her now and getting that experience. Molly Asplin 15:18  100% Lesley Logan 15:20  So okay, other ways that you because if you were busy as an accountant and you were high achiever and promoted and all these things, what are some of the ways that you actually made time for being her now to what that like merged into what you're doing now, like, was there some sort of, did you have a whole day to work on this thing, or did you do pockets of time? How did you make this work?Molly Asplin 15:42  Yeah, I think if you can. I mean, my accounting job was like, you know, nine to five typically, and I started, like, bookending my day with more of the things that I wanted, like, for me, that was my coaching business. And so I would definitely get up before a corporate job and start kind of doing some of these things that I have, building my social media and, like, growing my network, that kind of thing, and then same thing, like in the evening. And I still, I still do this now with like, sort of extracurriculars that I want to pursue. But, yeah, I think you've got to look at what, what do you need to do in that season to, like, pay the bills, or, you know, keep the job, or whatever. You can still do a good job at that while you start to create something else.Lesley Logan 16:29  Yeah, I kind of, I also like the idea of bookending it, because then you get to start your day with something you want, then you go to work. Yeah, you go to work and you aren't thinking about, Oh, I got that thing on my lunch break. I got that thing like you've already done some stuff. You've, like, kicked the ball into another court, or moved the needle a little bit, and then you get to end your day with that, which makes you get out of said job on time so that you can go to the.Molly Asplin 16:53  I got a lot more effective at my full time job during that season because I was like, let's do what I need to do at work so that I can get home and build the other thing that I'm excited to build, and then I would always rock it like Saturday mornings, Sunday mornings. You know, it's like, when it when something is yours and it's your baby, or you're wanting to develop it, or try something new, I really think you are excited to do it. I don't think it's like, oh, this other obligation. There's like energy within you that's like, I'm hungry for this pivot or this change. Like, let's see what I can do. Lesley Logan 17:25  Yeah, well, I think, like, if you're going to do something else, we're gonna add one more thing to your plate. You really have to it does need to be energizing. So that's a sign to me. But like, it's definitely something you're wanting to do if it's actually bringing you energy, versus, like, if it is just like, another thing that feels boring, you're probably doing something that sounds good versus something you want to be doing. Molly Asplin 17:47  Correct. Yes, for sure. Lesley Logan 17:49  Okay, so we know that the the recovering over achievers, the high achievers, the perfectionist there's this whole busy badge of honor, or like, I'm so burnt out. Like, there's this like mentality almost, of, like, bragging, you know, like, for a long time it used to be that the like, the there's a the tech bros and the CEO bros, like, I only do two hours of sleep, like, this is, like bragging, of like, how little they took care of themselves. But I actually think I'm, like, on the other side is, like, a lot of people like bragging about burnout, as if, like, they've achieved something and and then we all go, Oh, I know. And, like, we don't go, wow, that is probably not great. What's going on? So how did.Molly Asplin 18:28  It's kind of weird that we do that, isn't it? Yeah, like, we don't bat an eye. We're like, oh yeah. Same, busy.Lesley Logan 18:34  Yes, I, yes. Like, almost like, cheering it on. What? What is wrong? How do we prevent that.Molly Asplin 18:42  I know it's really weird, and I don't, I don't know if it's like that in other countries. Like, I feel like I have friends in Europe, and they're like, y'all like, you Americans are kind of weird. Like, why are you all, like, celebrating that? But it is a problem Lesley, and I think when you actually look at the research, higher performance is driven by, like, a similar cadence as an athlete. Like you can sprint and you can run and you can train hard, but then you better have a recovery day to, like, reset, recalibrate, get your creativity back. Right? And so there's, like, very much the research is there on like, you've got to take, like, a on a weekly basis, a weekly break, and on a monthly basis, another break. And on a, you know, on a yearly basis, the annual vacation, like periods of recharge are really important for a high performer. And you can probably think of people in your life who do that really well, and you will start to notice their energy. And you're like, yeah, she's not talking about burnout, and she's like, crushing it and getting her stuff done and going to bed, and appears to be a great mom, you know, like, you can kind of start to notice it on people, and I started to observe that, and I'm like, that's the edge I want. I don't want, like, the tired, depleted bags under my eyes, like, I want a vibrant, awesome life, and that means, like, I need to rest and take care of myself and recharge. And I can also kick ass on Monday.Lesley Logan 20:07  Yeah, yeah. One of the, one of the calls I had today, the girl asked, like, how do you know you need to rest? I think we talked about this meeting, and I was like, I do things for myself every single day, so I don't have to wait until my body shuts down to rest. Like, that's, that's actually, like, that's like, your car, like, if you go all the way down to zero all the time, you're actually going to ruin some tubes and other things like that, right? So you got to, before it's empty, you got to fill it back up. And someone goes every day? That's what they are going to say, every day. I'm like, yeah, every day. And I don't think that I'm crazy. Now, I can, I might be more luxurious with my time, because I don't have certain responsibilities that other people have. But every single day, I'm doing something so that I'm actually before I need a rest, taking care of myself. And I think that that goes to that preventing that burnout badge. It's like, I think we actually need to stop going, oh, yeah, you're burnt out, me too, and start going, Whoa. What are you doing for yourself? Like, what if we all as friends started going, Oh, what are you gonna do to, like, keep that from happening tomorrow?Molly Asplin 21:16  Yeah, that's another way to say that is, like, how are you sustaining I had a client who was just like, my goal is to like she was a realtor and kicking butt. And she's like, I want to sustain my energy through all the seasons, and I don't want to get to the end of the busy season and feel like I didn't take care of myself and now my health took a back burner. And I mean, I've seen people like, Lesley, you have a crap ton of responsibilities. I have a lot of respon, I have three young kids, like, I just don't think it's selfish to, like, carve out the time that I need to then be a better mom and a better business owner. It's not. And I also just heard a gentleman say this, and I was like, oh, that's fascinating. He was saying he's like, some some business owner, very successful. He's like, when people tell me that they're so busy, it immediately makes me not want to give opportunities to them, because it's showing me they can't handle what they have in their life. Like, why would I give them more? Lesley Logan 22:09  Yes, oh, I do think that that's really interesting. Yeah, I have, I had, I had someone go, Oh, I know you're really busy. And I was like, Oh, who told you that? And they're like, what it just seems like you really, just seems like you're really busy. I said, Oh, I have a lot going on, but I feel great. Look at me. Look at my two heads. And I'm like, I'm like, intentional about bringing that up, because I'm like, one, people, we make assumptions about a lot of people, and then two we, you know, I I have a full schedule, but it's full of things that I've chosen to do, and I've also there's, of course, there's things I don't want to do in my schedule. It happens to all of us, like, I hate a meeting, but like, got to do them sometimes. But then there's things I do to make sure that, like, I can enjoy the other things I have to do, right? Like, we all have things we have to do so, but I love what that guy said, and I think it's important for us to go, Well, how are you sustaining yourself? Like, oh, how are you doing that? And also, maybe you can talk a little bit like, how, how do you know what you need to do to recharge or to prioritize yourself, or to have self care? Because I think some people think it's going to the spa each week. And I actually think it's like, you know, water, sleep.Molly Asplin 23:19  Totally. I think you I think as you practice this, you start to know what's going to make you feel really good. Like, after this podcast, I'm going to go for a run. It's like, I'm ending my day. I'm in Central time, then I got to go get my kids. And I'm like, I know that if I go for like, a 20 minute run after this podcast, I will, like, reset myself for the evening. And it's kind of, like a good, like, reset for, you know, to go into parenthood, and so, but I've learned that because I've practiced it right, and I know, like that actually makes me feel really good. And, you know, for Lesley, it might be meditating or something like, I think you've got to try some of this on. Yeah, it's usually easy, accessible. It's not usually expensive. Like, it's, I don't think it's usually going to the spa, maybe on a monthly basis, if that's your thing, or whatever. But I think for a lot of people, it's so much can be so much easier than they're making it.Lesley Logan 24:11  Yeah, I think so. I love that you I love that you brought up that you are going to go for run in the middle of the day, like, as, almost like a switch gears to parenthood. I, you know, like, I, I'm known for having a pretty awesome morning routine, but somebody like, I don't have the time in the morning. Great. Do you have the time at lunch? Do you have the time before? Can you ask the neighbors, parents? Hey, can you do Tuesdays and Thursday I'll do Mondays and Wednesdays. Like, I think, like, we're so consumed with like, I've got to do all of it without that we're not realizing that there's resources around us that we could be using. To go back to that gentleman's point, if people say they're so busy, it means they're not able to handle it also means that they're not able to understand when to say, yes, no. And also, hey, can you do this? So I can do this over here. I can help you here. If you do this here, you know we have resources around us.Molly Asplin 24:57  Yes, 100% I agree.Lesley Logan 25:00  Okay. So I also want to talk a little bit about, like, maybe we kind of covered a little bit, but also, like, how do you honor your time? Because I actually am quite impressed that you can go for a run the middle of the day. The reason I have a morning routine is because I can't be trusted with, like, the afternoon routine. So how do you protect that time. Like, what did you have to do? Do you have to give yourself a pep talk. Is it just because you know you're gonna feel so good? Like, what does that look like? Because I think some people go, Oh, I'll do it tomorrow. This call just came in. Oh, my mom needs me. Like, you know.Molly Asplin 25:30  Yeah, this is such a good question. And I think, I think genuinely, or generally, high achievers are pretty good at, like, time blocking their day and, like, getting their stuff done, you know, if that's what we want to call it. But what I don't think we're always naturally good at is, like, the energy management of that. And so, yeah, in the mornings, I have a morning routine as well Lesley and like that gets me in the state of mind to, like, crush it at work, or to bring the energy. And then I always know like, I'm gonna hit kind of a lull around like noon in my work day. I know that if I can do certain activities in the morning, my energy is like better. It's when I can do like, deep work strategy. Most high achievers are not using their first hour of the work day effectively. You know they're like, input overload, notifications, emails, like social media, Zoom calls, when you really do want to be spending that first hour of your work day doing something more strategic, something more creative, something that you're like, I need to, like, move the needle on this, and I can't just like, squeeze it in the cracks of the day. And so I just started to notice, like, all these trends about my own, like, energy management throughout the day, and I've worked really hard to, like, set up my calendar around that. And I know not everyone has that luxury, but I also work with a lot of corporate clients that I have, and they they'll start blocking out, like, nine to 10am in the morning, and they're like, I'm not no meetings during that time, you know, to the best of their ability. And so I think this is like an edge to almost getting more time back in your schedule, because you you do become a lot more effective. Lesley Logan 26:52  Yeah. I feel I like that you brought up that like the input I can I feel that, because sometimes I will make the mistake of like, well, let me go into Slack before I go do this project. And it's like.Molly Asplin 27:22  I know we've all done it. And then you're immediately like, why?Lesley Logan 27:26  Why did I do that? What was I doing? Because now my head is over here when I need to be on doing this, and I don't. I actually don't have the creative energy to do this. And so I also want to just like, say, like, it sounds a bit like you got to give your you had to give yourself time to be curious and be on experiment mode, which is where it's hard for the perfectionist, because, like, you're gonna it's gonna take some time to figure out the right schedule for you.Molly Asplin 27:49  It will, because everyone's like, responsibilities do look a little bit different if you can't focus, or you're just distracted constantly, like, you do really want to be thinking about these things, because that means, like, yeah, you're spending time doing stuff. But it doesn't sound like it's effective time. And so I just got, I got sick of having days like that, like, that's that's because that's why I've gotten good at this. Because I was tired of, like, letting my days pass by and being like, what? What did I even do? Lesley Logan 28:15  Yeah, yeah. I feel that I had a little extra time yesterday. I was like, wow, this one this week is really nice. I have extra time. And then I, like, looked ahead and I was like, oh, you know what, the next few days are a little full. What else is on the schedule for the rest of this week that I could just, like, do with this? I have energy right now. I've got energy. I've got creativity. I'm going to do that. You know, I could check the email one more time, but that's annoying. Like, I'm going to do that, and then I'm going to just take time to give myself something, because I know the next couple days are gonna be full, and it it took me a long time to get there. I used to have a very I mean, I used to take I used to have clients hour by hour by hour, and then, okay, I could only do this during this time. And it was, it worked. It was a hustle season that I could do. But at one point I was like, okay, when I am her and I get to be more in charge of my schedule. Here's what I want to do with these times. And so then when I had, like, a client late cancel, I was like, oh, during that time, I really wanted to be doing this. So I can go do that now, because I had a plan for it. So I think it's it takes time to get you to know yourself, and then also the seasons, because I imagine where you are the winter changes how you prioritize yourself, than you do in the summer.Molly Asplin 29:20  Yeah, it does. The seasons and, like, everyone has work seasons too, right? Like, work seasonality, you know, like, it's a little bit of a slower work season for me right now. It's, it's June and and so I have the ability to go for a run at 4pm that's cool, but that's not always the season. And so I think you just have to kind of honor what it looks like for you, but like, leverage it when you can.Lesley Logan 29:42  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and just like, how did you kind of get over the feeling? Like, did you ever feel selfish as you were doing these things? Did you ever feel guilty? Because, like, I'm not a mom, so I don't have mom guilt. But like, every one of my mom friends, it's like, the guilt is real, and I'm always like going, I think that there's like, I think you're not alone. But also, can we, like, ask someone like, what are we doing here? How did you get there, aside from, like, just like, you felt better when you did it?Molly Asplin 30:12  I started noticing, like, how much more patient I was with my kids. Like, I learned this very early on. I have three kids now, six, four and two, and I was like, you know, when I work out or when I get up an hour before them, ideally, in the morning, which is what I do most mornings. I am like, I'm ready when they wake up and when I don't, and they're like, my alarm. I'm crabby and snappy and impatient at them. And so, you know, there's this thing, like, you can't pour from an empty cup. Like, I feel like that's all over with motherhood. But it is, it is true. And like, the moment I work with moms on this, they start, like, carving out this time for themselves. They're like, wow. I'm like, such a better mom. I'm like, yeah, I told you, yeah. But it's, it is really real. And listen, there's seasons, like postpartum and where you just, you can't, like you're it's, you know, physically and sleep sometimes it's just, you got to honor those seasons. But once my kids are sleeping through the night, mostly, yeah, like, I don't have any issue being selfish with my time.Lesley Logan 31:18  Yeah, yeah. Well, I also thank you for sharing that, and also their ages. I appreciate that, because I think so many people will just make excuses. Oh, well, you know, they're probably older or, Oh, the six. That's a tight schedule there.Molly Asplin 31:32  It's rough. It's not always pretty, but even even 30 minutes, right? It's like, start small. It just makes such a difference. When I can hear myself think, ideally, move my body before they are up.Lesley Logan 31:44  Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that so much. I just, I have this I want to take away as many excuses from people putting up one more obstacle of why they have to wait or they can't have time in their day for themselves. And it's true, depending on the season you're in, maybe it's 15 minutes maybe, like, my girlfriend had twins, like, like, okay, you know, I was just like, we visited her, and I was like, I was like, don't even look at me. Just like, whatever you need to do. Like, do you want me to like, do I just look at the kid? Do I like, pat a cake? Like, what do we need? How can I actually help you so that you can have some time for yourself? But like, you have to know that that's a very different time than when they're two and when they're four, and then giving yourself greater, like easier expectations of yourself is also just so important. But at some point you have to go, Okay, if they're not infants, right? If they can tell you when they're hungry, what are you doing to make sure that you're you're the you you want to be with them or with your friends or your co workers or your family or anything like that?Molly Asplin 32:45  Yeah. And it's almost like the be her now Lesley, like, I just knew, like, if I could work on these things before kids, and then if I can work on those things while my kids are little. And, yeah, it's crazy. Like, well, that your habits transfer with you, you know? And then you can refine and tweak them and adjust them. But I just think the faster you can step into the things you really want to be doing, the better you can get on at it, versus just continuing to kick the can down the road.Lesley Logan 33:13  Yeah, I agree. What are you most excited about right now?Molly Asplin 33:17  Oh my gosh, I'm excited about so I went through a career transition about six months ago, and when I did it, I was like, you know what? I'm going to make this season more enjoyable than my last? Like, I think with every transition and pivot, we are smarter and wiser, and so I've just, I've been having a lot of fun in this season, like, with girlfriends, and I'm, like, traveling more, and that fills my cup. And, yeah, my youngest is two now, so I'm just excited about having more fun, yeah? Because I feel like there was a few years there where I just wasn't bringing the joy, you know.Lesley Logan 33:54  I mean, I think, like, especially when you had then, there had been, like, two and zero, you know, four, two and zero. Molly Asplin 34:00  That was not fun. Not fun. Lesley Logan 34:03  Yeah. So I kind of, I really do love that. And I love that, like, I love the reflection of, like, Okay, that was this. And what I want to bring into this season, want to be more fun. I think we all can even do that with any part of our life, right? Like, when we're recording this, it's beginning of summer, you know, summer solstice seven hasn't even happened yet, but, like, it's like, okay, so what I want the next thing to be? Like, how do I want this to be and then be her now? Like, what would that have to do? You know, we're, we're doing our summer tour. This will already have happened. And I literally said to the team. I said, okay, it can be a bigger tour, but here's what I need, right for that to happen, so that I I can have fun on it too. And it's not just work or, oh, where are the places? You know, you just start to learn things about yourself, and it's okay. I want for Q4 like, okay, it's gonna be a busy travel season. So what do I want to do in between? So I don't feel like I'm just traveling for work all the time, you know, reflection and then planning ahead. You know, these are important. These are things we have to do, things don't just happen to you.Molly Asplin 35:02  Yeah, well, and Lesley, that's so smart about planning ahead, like that. That's probably why you do feel so, like, able to recharge on a daily basis because you've planned for it. Lesley Logan 35:10  Yeah. Well, and that's, I mean, like, I learned a long time ago, and I'm sure the same, like, if it's not in the schedule it doesn't get done, right? Like, it's, it's not a to do list thing to me, like, I don't even make to do lists anymore. I have ADHD I'll never look at them again. So I already learned that about myself. But if it's not in the actual schedule, then it won't get done. And so I have to go, Okay, if you want me to write blog posts, or if you want me to write these things, there has to be a block of time in there. Oh, if I want to recharge, what does that look like and like where can it put in the calendar? And if it's not able to get in the calendar, I also have had to learn, like, and this is the recovering people pleaser, you know, like the recovering firstborn daughter who does everything right. Like, what can I actually go back and say, I can't do that today? Can I do it tomorrow? You know? Like, hey. Molly Asplin 35:56  Like setting the boundary. Lesley Logan 35:57  Because sometimes you commit to something and you're like, oh, wow, I could do that today, but it's not gonna be my best work, or it's gonna feel rushed, but if I had if I could do it tomorrow, you know? And so sometimes I just, my husband is the person who gave me the permission. He was like, just ask, or just say, we'll do it we have to do it next week. So sorry. Like, just apologize. And I was like, you can do that. You can, you can just, like, change it, but I can do that. And a lot sometimes you can't, like, sometimes there's deadlines and things are due, but a lot of times I've looked at things going, Oh, we could actually move that to tomorrow. We really, really can't, if we're really honest with ourself, that means we get to do something so well, I'm excited for you. That's something to be really excited about. We're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you and learn more from you and your amazing podcast. Molly Asplin 36:43  Awesome. Lesley Logan 36:43  All right, Molly, where do you hang out? Where? What's your podcast? Where's your website? Where can people learn more from you and work with you?Molly Asplin 36:52  Yeah, so you can go to mollyasplin.com that is my website, and shares a little bit more about me there. I'm on Instagram most days. Molly.Asplin. And then I was gonna grab this. I this is a really good for, like, morning routine, your ins and you're outs for, like, the month I fill, I fill it out on a monthly basis, called The Momentum Builder of like, a free printable. And so if you like this kind of thing, I do. Lesley Logan 37:16  Oh, everyone loves this kind of thing. Molly Asplin 37:18  Yeah, it's mollyasplin.com/momentum so and you can just download it there and and print it out, but that does kind of help me. Like, what am I focused on this month? Like, what are the main like, needle movers and the goals? So I think that's helpful.Lesley Logan 37:33  I promise you that our listeners love that. Because, first of all, they're always asking, like, what's your favorite? Sorry, that's, that's Bayon and letting us know he's he's here a little in the background. They always like, what's your favorite planner? And I'm like, well, I can't really read my own writing, and I'm left handed, so the binding is just not helpful. But that a printable like that I can work with. Molly Asplin 37:53  Well and then you can do a new one each month, because it's like, okay, wait, fresh start, you know? And you can start in the middle of the month too. You can start whenever. Lesley Logan 37:56  Can start whatever. That's for the perfectionist. You can start whenever. You can start on a full moon, you can start on a new moon, you can start on a quarter moon. I love that so much. And your podcast is Dream It, Do It, correct?Molly Asplin 38:10  Yeah, podcast, Dream It, Do It. And Lesley was just on there, so go listen to her interview. But yeah, that's we share a lot of high achieving tips, business tips, things like that, productivity.Lesley Logan 38:20  Oh, I love it so much. I know you all are listening to make sure you go check that out. Okay, you've actually given us a ton of great stuff. But I love to end the show on bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?Molly Asplin 38:33  I think, think about the thing that you have said you wanted to do in the future, and, like, try to make a leap for it today. And that doesn't mean like writing it down or talking to your friend about it. It means like actually doing it, like sending the email, hiring the coach, making the phone call, going for a run, like whatever it like, take the actual action, and don't let that get covered up and just like the plans and the thinking about it.Lesley Logan 39:03  I like that. I actually, I have a little recent story that help people see that in another way. I had, a year ago, I was like, I'm tired of making up my own gym workouts. Like I have to do, I have to think about people's Pilates workouts, all these things, like, I'm tired of it. And so I started like, thinking, like, thinking, like, do I want to hire a trainer? What do I do? And I found this person online that I really liked, and I was like, okay, I could just hire them, or I'm going to do their workouts that they've posted online. And so I did that for a long time. I was like, oh, I'm getting great results with this. Okay, so now I'm going to work on hiring them. So I, like, build up the application. So like, you know, there's most of these things you want to do, you have to fill out an application or you have to do some sort of thing. And so I did that step, and then she came back to me like, it was like, two weeks later. So it was not like everything happened tomorrow, but it allowed me to have some time and runway with with doing the thing, being her, with the potential trainer, with her work, and then taking the next step. And then she called me back, and then she said okay, we'll start on these two weeks that I was able to plan. Because it wasn't tomorrow. It was like, Oh, it was going to be in two weeks. So in two weeks from now, I can set aside time on my calendar for this I could set aside the money for this investment. I could do all this stuff. And so I think, what a great idea, whatever the thing is you want to do, take an action today. I think that's really, I would think that's a very bold and executable thing you guys could do.Molly Asplin 40:14  I love it. I love your example. Lesley, that's spot on.Lesley Logan 39:04  Thanks. Yeah, it was. I was like, really, like, okay, really proud of myself. Because sometimes I'm a person who's like, I'm just gonna do it. I like that. But then it's like, sometimes I wonder, like, did I end up the right person? Did I get the right thing? And so I kind of tried it out a different way, like, well, what if I be it till I see it as a person who, like, you know, interviews the person a little bit longer and tries it out and see if yeah, that's how I did it. So you're amazing, Molly. You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Please tag Molly Asplin. Tag the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it, that friend who's defending the thing they complain about all the time. This is for them. They won't even know that's why you send it to them, until they hear this part, then they're gonna know now it's out, but they'll love you for it, and also go check out the Dream It, Do It Podcast. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:11  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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If you have a U.S. passport, you're carrying a powerful quote by a formerly enslaved woman and may not even realize it. In this episode, Lesley shares the history hiding inside your passport and why the path to freedom—and doing the thing you say you want to do—is rarely a straight line. From taking eight months to finally volunteer to learning how to keep going when schedules don't align, this episode is a reminder that obstacles don't mean you should quit. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The hidden history inside every single American passport.How education became Anna Julia Cooper's path to ultimate freedom.Finding patience and self-love during a Pilates reformer practice.Why volunteering at the SPCA took eight months to schedule.The importance of volunteering and donating to animal shelters.Episode References/Links:Anna Julia Cooper at HerStory - https://beitpod.com/annajuliacooper@cordeliamadetomove - https://www.instagram.com/cordeliamadetomoveNevada SPCA - https://nevadaspca.orgASPCA - https://www.aspca.org/about-usSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:47  Hey, Be It babe. How are you? Okay. Now, now that I've done one, I think I'm gonna be much more organized on this one. That's my win this week. My win is that I'm more organized for my FYF episodes. No, I'm not. I'm just kidding. This means nothing to you if you missed last week's episode. So if you missed last week's episode, go back and listen anytime. The wins are appropriate to listen to whenever you want. And it's really about really reminding us all that we're actually really fucking amazing. We're doing great things. And if we can't do that on Fridays, when can we do it? Right? I mean, ideally, every day, but let's be real, like life is busy. There's a lot going on. It's really easy just to focus on all the ish that's out there in the world. And what I've come to, like, realize and enjoy is like, I can actually go, Okay, if we take what's going on the world out, like, just put it over on just like, over here, I can actually say I'm doing really freaking great. If we bring it back in, then I'm kind of meh. I'm like, in the whelmed state, overwhelmed sometimes by all that I'm feeling, and then, like, underwhelmed a bit about, like, people's reactions and support. And then we have to go back and do the thing, right? We have to go back and do the thing. So anyways, I'm recording this in February for March. My wins are really gonna be fun for you. I think hopefully you'll see, like, oh, wins can happen in all places. And I got wins from you guys that I want to share and I can't wait, but for that, we have to do something that's quite inspiring about what some woman did, a way back when that we all should be thankful for. and know. Okay, so this is from her story. Feminism. I really like this account, by the way, they come up a lot. I have tried to get them on the show, but that is not going to happen, and that's not because they're not cool. They're really cool. So anyways, did you know the woman quoted in every US passport was born enslaved, and most people don't even know her name. Meet Anna Julia Cooper. Anna Julia Cooper was born into slavery in 1858 in North Carolina. Her mother was enslaved. Her father was almost certainly her mother's enslaver, a reality many black women endured under slavery. After emancipation, she earned a scholarship to St Augustine's Normal School. She fought to take classes reserved for men, because she knew education was her way to freedom. In 1882 she wrote A Voice From The South, one of the major works of black feminist thought, arguing that the progress of an entire nation depends on on the uplift of black women. Couldn't agree more. She became one of the first black women in US history to earn a PhD that was in Sorbonne, 1924 she spent her life educating, advocating for black women and children, becoming a teacher, principal and lifelong activist. Her words, the cause of freedom is not the cause of a race or a sect, a party or a class. It is the cause of humankind, the very birthright of humanity. That quote appears in every American passport today, but most Americans have no idea they're reading the words of a formerly enslaved black woman. I'm just gonna read that again. The cause of freedom is not the cause of a race or a sect, a party or a class. It is the cause of humankind, the very birthright of humanity. And I just think that's most beautiful thing. I think we have so much work to do, but I think in learning history and learning what women before us have done is really important, because things can seem really heavy and big right now, and you just got to keep going. I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure she had to just get, like, one obstacle after the next, and she just kept going. So that's what we're going to do as we Be It Till We See It. Lesley Logan 4:07  All right, time for some wins of yours. So let me grab these, because you guys are so cool. I asked for these a couple weeks ago. You can send them in to beitpod.com/questions anytime. So the same link works for questions or win. Send it in. I want to share your win. You it will come up when you need to hear it. I promise you, it's kind of like a great mantra or a tarot card. It'll just come up at the right moment you need to hear it. So this one is from @cordeliamadetomove. She wrote, my win, sumptuous, mindful practice on the Reformer this morning after a three week break, forgot some of the order, but could laugh at myself rather than chastise. Also taught my mom too, and found I was so patient. Both the above tells me I need a break mentally, and how good it is for me mentally. Bring on more holidays. Next one is to see Lesley in Bruges. Well, we're gonna see each other in Bruges like in two weeks. I'm so excited. See how the timing of this works. Lesley Logan 4:59  Cordelia, you're amazing, and I appreciate this, because I think we have a lot of people who do Pilates who listen to this, and there's so much judgment of every exercise that doesn't go perfectly. Pilates is not meant to be perfect. It's meant to be a practice. And so I love that you got to a place where you could laugh at yourself. I'm so happy for you. It's so so great. So so great. So thank you, Cordelia, for sending your win in. Lesley Logan 5:17  All right, my win. Are you ready for this? It's gonna shock you. Okay, so my lovely win is I, well, this won't shock you at all, but in my effort to be part of my community in a deeper way, and I also just have something else to do also, I just really, I'm trying not to adopt another dog in this moment, because we're quite busy, and I miss the energy of multiple dogs in this house, but the reality is, it's like it's just not where our life is. If we had them already, we would have them and be dealing with it and enjoying ourselves. But introducing another dog, as you know is it takes time, and so I've been wanting to volunteer for the Nevada, Nevada SPCA for a long time, but you have to go to the volunteer meeting, which only happens once a month, and like, it sometimes it's full and it's on a Friday. And, like, of course, most of the time it was on a Friday that I wasn't in town, versus all the Fridays that I was on town. So it was getting kind of frustrating. But the first Friday I could go to was in January, and so we went to that meeting. That's great. Then I went in person to get my badge and all my stuff, and then we went to the dog walker training, and that is what I can say I've completed. I'm so excited, because what I really want to do is just go walk the dogs, get them out as much as as they can, as much as my time allows. And we're approved to take dogs out on a little foster trip, field trip. Because if you haven't noticed, I'm going to be doing some reels of dogs that are having a hard time getting adopted. I feel like, you know, if I adopt one dog, I get to save one dog. But if I can get, if I can be part of what the Nevada SPCA is doing to get more dogs adopted, then like, my goodness, I feel like that will hopefully scratch the itch of me have another dog, and if there's one I fall in love with, well then that's what's going to happen. But my ultimate goal is like, this is for this year. This is really participate in helping get these dogs a loving home. The Nevada SPCA is really great. They don't take any government funding. So if you want to donate to somebody who's taking care of dogs in a great, amazing way, I really love them, also your local SPCA, go check it out. Go tour the facility. Go see if they need help. The local ones actually need your help more than the big one. So it goes a long way. OPC actually donates to the Nevada SPCA every quarter. So I have some exciting things that I want to do with them this year, just being on time. But I'm just really proud of myself because I wanted to volunteer, and then I wanted to do it in a way that I could participate, in a way that filled my soul, but also help them out. And so I just want to say, That's my win. That's my win this week. It took me about eight months to get it, to get my schedule to do it. But you know what? You just have to keep going. And that's the thing. I think people don't realize, right? With a goal or a thing that they want to do, they get to an obstacle. Like, truly, I saw all the different volunteer meetings. I just couldn't go. And I, instead of going, this is never gonna work out. I should just do something else, or I'll just get more money. Like, No, I'm just gonna keep checking the dates until I can go. And we all want things to happen sooner than than they are happening, but they won't ever happen if you just, if you stop. So that's that's that, right? Lesley Logan 8:09  All right, my loves now for your mantra. What are we drawing up today? Here it is. I trust my instincts completely. I trust my instincts completely. I trust my instincts completely. You're a badass. You're amazing. Thank you so much for listening to our show. Oh my god. You know what I never have done. I haven't done. We'll have to do a formal thing on this. We are celebrating. We are the last time I checked, we were in the top 1% of all podcasts. That's because of you. Thanks so much. Couldn't do that without you. Literally every download, every download helps, every review helps, every time you share with a friend helps. So please keep doing it, because it allows, as the show gets bigger, it's gonna allow us to get bigger guests. Like, I've had some great recommendations for guests from you guys. I love them. Hate to say it. We have to be like in a top point five. So get your friends to listen to the pod so we can get those amazing guests on and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 8:59  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. 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Looking radiant might have less to do with makeup and more to do with how you care for yourself every day. In this recap, Lesley Logan and special guest co-host Clare Solly break down the advice shared by double board-certified aesthetic nurse Rachel Varga. They explore how simple rituals, nervous system support, and intentional self-care can transform both skin health and your overall wellbeing. From hydration and breathwork to lymphatic massage and shower routines, this episode highlights small habits that can create powerful results. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why daily skincare routines can become powerful acts of self-love.Activating your parasympathetic system to boost natural beauty.A simple salt scrub hack for better sleep and skin.How posture and humming instantly regulate your nervous system.The importance of filtering your water for hair and health.Episode References/Links:Contrology Pilates Conference (Wroclaw, Poland) - xxll.co/polandPilates Workshop (Bruges, Belgium) - xxll.co/brusselsPilates On Tour® (London, UK) - xxll.co/potOPC Spring Training (Virtual Event) - opc.me/events30-Minute Biohacking Video for Skin - https://www.theschoolofradiance.comRachel Varga Website - https://theschoolofradiance.com (Discount Code: Use LesleyLogan15)The School of Radiance Podcast – https://theschoolofradiance.comHigherDOSE Red Light Shower Head - https://www.google.com/search?q=https://beitpod.com/higherdose (Code: BALANCEDDOSE for 20% off)Self-Love Ep 640 - https://beitpod.com/ep640Self-Love Ep 641 - https://beitpod.com/ep641Jessica Valant Podcast - https://jessicavalant.com/podcast If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:56  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, well, not. Clare Solly 1:02  I totally could be. Lesley Logan 1:05  Well, you are my slingshot friend. So my my co-host and my part time co-host in life, Clare Solly and I are going to dig into the vital convo I have with Rachel Varga in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one. You have no idea the number of tools you I have to listen to it twice. I'm definitely already re-listening to it because I took one of her ideas from this episode. I have been doing it every day ever since. I'm like, okay, I'm ready to add in a new one from that. So I definitely think it's one you'll go back to. Clare Solly 1:36  Yeah. I took notes, copious notes. Lesley Logan 1:38  I was like, okay, thank God, because Brad would love this. But like, the like I said last week, the timing of you being here so you could be my co-host on this episode, way more fun, way more fun, because you and I have shared so just when you're here, you're like, oh, did you know if you spray this, like antibacterial stuff on your armpits, and then you're deodorant, it lasts longer. And I was like, life has changed. I don't even know how to start that process, but I'm going to. Lesley Logan 2:00  Anyways, we are gonna jump right into things. Today is March 12th, 2026, it's Girl Scouts Day, everyone. Clare Solly 2:07  I love Girl Scout cookie. Lesley Logan 2:09  I told Clare. I was like, do you know it's Girl Scouts Day? She's like, are you serious? I'm like, yeah, it is. So steal your resolve. Dieters, beware. This is obviously like, pre you know, body neutrality. There are Girl Scouts everywhere, and they're all trying to sell you kryptonite, aka their most delicious cookies, whether your favorite flavor is minty Thin Mints or googie, gooey, gooey, Gooey Tagalongs.Clare Solly 2:31  Those are my two favorites, both the googie and the Gooey Tagalongs.Lesley Logan 2:35  I love a Thin Mint. If I could have gluten and dairy, I would be all over these Girl Scouts of America. I'm just saying in the year of our Lord.Clare Solly 2:43  They do make a gluten free cookie, but it's not. Lesley Logan 2:45  Well on the year of our Lord 2026 I think you could find a way to make a gluten free cookie in Vegas, there's a brewery who does Girl Scout Cookies with beers. And they like do a whole thing. It's like, I don't know, Google it Vegas. I don't know where it's at, because I can't drink beer or have these cookies, but I do know that I sent all the men in my life to do it, and they had the best time. They're so good. They deserve a holiday, and they have one of sorts get ready to celebrate this March 12, because it's National Girl Scout day, part of Girl Scout week. National Girl Scout Day commemorates the anniversary of the first girl scout meeting. In 1912, Juliette “Daisy” Gordon Low organized the meeting. That's a that's a name that's a definitely sign of the times. Gordon Low organized the meeting in Savannah, Georgia, and Girl Scouts have only grown from there. So grab a cookie or 12 and get ready to celebrate. Honestly, buy them even if you can't eat them and give them to people.Clare Solly 3:32  You can, yeah, you can actually donate them to soldiers and and folks like on their website too. Yeah, it's easy. And actually you can just donate money to help Girl Scout troops.Lesley Logan 3:41  Because that would allow Girl Scout troops, of all areas, to be able to join in and do what they want to do.Clare Solly 3:46  When I was a daisy through a senior Girl Scout, it really changed out my life. So I'm a Girl Scout supporter.Lesley Logan 3:52  I love that. I, you know, Girl Scouts weren't a thing for me. Because I think I don't know. I might I think, because my I was already over scheduled as a child. Clare Solly 4:00  So many sports. Lesley Logan 4:01  I have sports, dance, sewing classes, but, and I was in like, a church version of the whole thing, which still had patches. And you know what? I'm just gonna say, I missed out. I missed out. I think that's why I probably don't have as many girlfriends. Clare Solly 4:12  We could be a we could be adult Girl Scouts. Lesley Logan 4:14  Is there a way to do that? Anyways, I want patches. Do you remember? Okay, hold on side note. Do you remember Troop Beverly Hills? Clare Solly 4:20  I love Troop Beverly Hills. Such a good movie. Lesley Logan 4:23  The best movie, like, the opposite of, like, oh my god, her outfits. Beverly Hills, what a thrill. Beverly. And they do, and like, I love how they made up their own patches. Like, I just like, that was a, that's a be it till you see it movie. I mean, yes, that's your like, no one's crying for the rich girls. But also, like, I liked what they did. They got outside, they tried to do things, and I hope it ages well, sorry if it doesn't, okay. So real quick I leave next week for Poland, so if there is space is not too late, xxll.co/poland it's me and Karen Frischmann and all the Controlology stuff and some really epic workshops. And even if you're not Polish, you can come because Karen and I will speak in English, and it'll be translated to Polish, and so you have double the time to write your notes, and then we'll be in Bruges. And I thought we're in Brussels. So this is why Brad travels with me, because I've been telling everyone to be in Brussels and we are going to be in Bruges. So.Clare Solly 5:13  It's good to have, everyone needs a Brad.Lesley Logan 5:15  Everyone needs a Brad. And when I told my psychiatrist, the reason I didn't think I had ADHD is because I was an Aquarius. This is a this is evidence.Clare Solly 5:24  I love this for you, though. Lesley Logan 5:25  I know xxll.co/brussels to get your tickets to Bruges. It's still in Belgium, so I didn't fuck it up that much and and so it's gonna be a really fun time. That's Karen Frischmann and myself and Ignacio and Els of Pilatal. And it's just gonna be a wonderful time with some friends who love to teach alongside each other, and you're gonna want to come because the spots are almost sold out. And then after Brad and I finally get to France, that's the goal. It's been a set time with the second honeymoon. We'll be in London, and they'll probably be the last time in London for a couple of years. So, xxll.co/pot. Actually can see all the POT's from Balanced Body on that schedule. The only one I'm excited to teach at right now that I can share is London, so you want to come. My first workshop is sold out, but the second one has a couple spots left, and that's on a Sunday, so why not? And then when I come home, we'll be doing spring training. That is a virtual week long event where, no matter your Pilates level, we are going to help you understand the foundations to getting Pilates deeper in your body. It's at opc.me/events. Okay, Clare's taken over the the questions, and so it's like, what is Clare gonna ask me?Clare Solly 6:27  They're always kind of fun and kind of scary. So today, you're gonna get a multiple choice. Are you ready for that? Lesley Logan 6:32  I'm ready. Clare Solly 6:33  Would you rather be able to teleport so you can go anywhere at any time in an instant? Would you rather have six more hours in the day, and it won't feel like your day's any longer. It's just like you'll have six more hours to get all the stuff done, and everybody else will be on 24 or would you rather have, like, an on call body technician to like massages, do your hair, do your makeup, you know, anything you want that like, is self-care, body stretch you out, anything. What of those three would you rather have?Lesley Logan 7:01  Well, instant, my first gut before I heard the second two would have, I would hit the buzzer, but like, teleport, because that's like the problem. I want to just teleport. I hate the time, like, in between things. But when you got me to the third one, it was the on, like the body technician, like I do. I am jealous that, like, these amazing, famous people have, like, someone who, like, does their hair, does their nails, like, I have to do my makeup, and I hate the lighting in my bathroom where my makeup is I realized I could just switch bathrooms, but, like, no, the annex is the bathroom, so I but I just want someone to do that for me, because I look so good when someone else does it. Like Cynthia Rivo, her team is amazing, right? Like, obviously she has good, like aesthetic and like, lens and style, but like, that's what happens when you have an on call team. So I think I have to do number three.Clare Solly 7:47  Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. I don't know which. Lesley Logan 7:49  Also, if I could be doing, like, if someone's doing my hair, I could be actually getting other things done. So I think I would like solidly fix number 3.Clare Solly 7:56  We know how you like to multitask on this pod. Lesley Logan 7:59  What would you choose? What would you choose? Clare Solly 8:01  I even though I think I would like the on body technician, I think I would take teleport. Because if I could save the time in traveling, I think I would just like, I mean, I like, you can kind of hear it like I've been traveling for two weeks. So I'm like, travel makes me if I don't hydrate enough, I, you know, don't do so well. So I think I would take teleport. What do you think Brad would do? Lesley Logan 8:21  Brad? Brad would teleport in a second? Clare Solly 8:23  Would he? Lesley Logan 8:23  Yeah, in a second. Clare Solly 8:24  Okay. Well, we'll have to see. Maybe he can put it in the show notes and confirm that for everybody listening. Lesley Logan 8:28  Yeah, put it in the show notes, go read the show notes to see if I got it right. We'll put it in there. If you don't know how to find the show notes, I can't help you know what device you're on. But like usually, if you go to the episode, then you can click, there's a link for the show notes. Or if you go to our website, you actually can see every single podcast has a blog and a transcription. So if you want to read what we're saying, because I talk too fast.Clare Solly 8:47  And then you can binge everything too, all the podcasts you missed. Lesley Logan 8:50  Everything is there, still there you know. So however, you like it. Okay. Clare Solly 8:53  Should we talk about Rachel Varga now?Lesley Logan 8:55  Before we do that, you need to also send your questions in, because Clare can't be here every week to be the question asker, so go to beitpod.com/questions you can also send your wins in. I share those on Fridays.Clare Solly 9:07  Oh, fantastic. I love this. I love it. You can also text them right, to 1-310-905-5534.Lesley Logan 9:15  Yeah. Someday I'll remember that number, and then I'll become like, who should we call on emergency? And I'll be like, that's the one I know.Clare Solly 9:22  Why? Is it your own voice?Lesley Logan 9:27  You know what, here's the thing, I'm gonna die when I actually put that number down for Brad, and they're like, I got your customer service team is like, look, I'm calling your customer service. You can call mine.Clare Solly 9:38  Okay, now let's talk about Rachel Varga. Rachel Varga is a double board certified aesthetic nurse specialist who has been practicing since 2011, created skin care products and hosts The School of Radiance Podcast. As a traditionally trained esthetic nurse, she's performed thousands of rejuvenation procedures on patients, including peels, lasers, injectables and assisting with surgery. After years in traditional medical aesthetics, she incorporated biohacking longevity practices and home care routines that make a significant long-term difference. Then you can see it in Lesley already, and it's been short term. Her overall mission is to help people both look and feel their best.Lesley Logan 10:19  Oh my gosh. Okay, so here's the deal. She's been on this podcast for a second time. Probably have to have her back, because there's like, so many tools in my mind, too, but I really was like, peppering her with, like, do I need to, like, derma plane? Do I need to do this kind of thing, like, anything? I was like, What about the Gua Sha? Should I do this X, Y and Z? So I'm going to tell you right now. We can't get into all the things, because she said it best, and she's the expert. Clare Solly 10:40  Yeah, just listen to the podcast and take notes. Lesley Logan 10:42  But I will say, so what I love that she said is, like, self-care, particularly your morning and evening rituals, are an act of self-love. And if you don't know what self-love is, go listen my self-love series, it came out in February. But like, I think that that is a lot of people are like, trying to find the new the right mascara or right foundation color, but truly, like when I got rid of my fake lashes, and I was like a mole rat with, like, no lashes, like alopecia on my eyes. No offense to people with alopecia, but like, it was like, a shocking difference from having zero. And the girl was helping. I said, you have to teach me to do my makeup, because I've had fake lashes for five years, so I've just never done it, and she said, look the best makeup doesn't work on bad skin, so your best thing you could be doing for looking beautiful is to have a really good skincare routine. Now, luckily, I did do that, because I'm a Californian afraid of wrinkles, all that stuff, but like, so I was like, Okay, so I'm halfway there. And so I couldn't agree with her more about like your evening and night routines are part of the of the self-love that you can give yourself, and also, like she gave you in that episode, so many ways of doing things for free or for low cost money. And then she stressed the importance of of engaging the parasympathetic nervous system so your body's rest and regenerate mode. Ladies, like, if you are not sleeping, you're not digesting. If you're not digesting, you're not absorbing stuff. You're getting high cortisol. That is not fun in the perimenopause. So it's not fun. Clare Solly 12:09  Start those practices now.Lesley Logan 12:10  So I you should. And if you're already in it, and you're like us, like if you owe it to yourself to try out something, one thing at a time, trying to do all the things at a time to really help you intentionally drop into your parasympathetic of the nervous system.Clare Solly 12:22  Well, and to piggyback on that, like, do one thing at a time, even though you're like, I mean, I took notes and not like, and I know you did too. And like, all the things, try one thing at a time and give it like, a week or two to see if it's actually working for you. Because if you do five things at once, I mean, yes, we want you to, like, give yourself all the self-care you can. Lesley Logan 12:39  You won't know what's working. Clare Solly 12:40  You don't know what's working.Lesley Logan 12:41  And then you can't drop it off. And then you're gonna freak out like, oh my god, I can't take this on the plane. I can't do this. So I was on a podcast with Jessica Valant, her her podcast, and she was asking about, like, when I travel, how I take care of myself. And I'm like, because when I'm at home, I'm so good about knowing all the different things that work for me. I know what I can do when I travel and what I can't get away with. I'm not experimenting on a trip, you know, so but you have to do one thing at a time. And she said, the more relaxed you are in the parasympathetic state, the more beautiful you are going to be perceived as. And that is so true. I don't ever see someone walking around stressed out, going, look how pretty she is. You're kind of like, oh my god, that woman scares the hell out of me. Like, but we like, see these people who look so calm and confident. It's like, oh, because they're parasympathetic nervous system, it's like, totally taking, like, getting it what it needs. Clare Solly 13:27  Well, and two of the easiest way to help. It's the Wonder Woman pose that, like, was big a couple years ago. You know, the little the little girl next to the bull, put your arms on your and your shoulders back and down, and like, already, like, if you're watching on YouTube, you can see, like Lesley and I just became 10 times more beautiful. Lesley Logan 13:42  Yeah, adjusted ourselves in our chairs. You totally do. Clare Solly 13:45  It posture does so much for you and like and it does actually do something to your heart and makes you, like, radiate, and opens up your chest and your body, and then humming. Like, honestly, if you're nervous about anything, it will also help you regulate. This is I'm a trained singer, so like that. And Brad can probably like recount this too, but just humming to yourself, even if it's quietly, even in the car, if you're traveling to something that you're nervous about, just hum.Lesley Logan 14:09  Also just inhale for five counts and exhale for five counts. So the perfect breath is between 10 and 11 seconds long. And if you just go inhale and count and exhale and count, you can, I can feel myself even just talking about it, like, drop in. There's also a way that you can breathe. You do two inhales, one exhale, yeah, and that's an instant reset as well. Clare Solly 14:30  Yeah, all the breath work, all the breath work. Lesley Logan 14:33  I know. So I mean, like, you might even have tools that you used to do, and we haven't brought them up, and you haven't done them in a while. And I would just say it's worth it to do because, like, like, my, my Sephora girl said, I can teach you all the makeup tips in the world. But if you are tired and stressed out, and your skin is not, you know, shining and glowy like it, it won't be as wonderful. And we're talking about beauty like, beauty is skin deep. I think it's really, truly, like how you take care of of the skin that you're in, then whatever you apply to that is gonna be better. Doesn't have any makeup. It could actually just be, maybe don't wear any makeup. But like, just taking care of yourself is gonna be a really nice, wonderful thing.Clare Solly 15:11  And also just like, again, gut check when you're like, when something feels like it's too much for you, or, like, too long of I mean, take care of yourself in any way you can. But if it's too long of a commitment or too difficult for you to resource the things, like, don't like, it's not, it's not going to help you.Lesley Logan 15:26  No and real quick, I'll just say one of the things that I have been doing from this talk, because everyone talks about Epsom salt baths, and like, because, like, you know, I'm perimenopausal and like, inflammation, all these things and like, my joints were bothering me, and everyone's like, Epsom salt bath. Are you kidding me? My bath is set up as a cold plunge. I can't have a cold plunge Epsom salt bath. So I was just like, and I'm not a bath person. Like, the cold plunge is easy, because I can drop in, I wake right up, right? But like, a bath, it's kind of like that, like you just said, it takes more time than I want to give it. And so, like, the like, it just doesn't feel like doable, right? Who's going to take a five minute hot bath? First of all, it takes 15 minutes to load the tub up, right? And I'm in Vegas, and they check our water. So at any rate, she said, you don't even need to do an Epson salt bath. She said, get some oil, avocado, or, like, I think human sesame, but, like, single source oil, put it on your body in the shower. So I get a hot shower on me. I put the oil on, and then I just take a bag of Epsom salt bath. I put my wet hand in it. It's covered in Epsom salt, and I just scrub. And she was very clear on the episode. We're not. Clare Solly 16:26  I was gonna ask you about that. So as you said you were doing it. Lesley Logan 16:28  I do it. I don't do it every single night, just because it is a drier climate here, but I do it like at least every other night. But if I'm having, if I had a more stressful day, I'll just do it anyways, even if I did the night before. So arms, legs, and I, first of all, I don't even need to put lotion on afterwards. Your skin is so soft. It's like, we went to the Korean spa and, like, they took off the skin so so soft. And I sleep like a baby. You get all the benefits of the Epsom salt bath without having to take the bath. And then it all just washes down the drain. So real quick, we have a bag of Epsom salt on subscription. So it comes, it's a wonderfully sourced Epsom salt, and then we took those, like, restaurant like, like, mustard squeeze bottle, and we just poured a bunch of oil in it. It's in the shower, and it's just, like, easy, easy. And you walk out so clean, and I have a bath to clean afterwards.Clare Solly 17:15  And what I really loved was her skeptical on a lot of these, like, I loved that you were, like, asking about all these tools. And she was like, well, and she, like, she had opinions on all of them. You like, you could hear it. But she was also like, yeah. And I, like, I loved that she, like, gave you different things to do, like, you asked her about face yoga, and should you do it? And she was like, No, do the lymph node things. And like, automatically I was starting to do that. And like, and, you know, press things. And it felt so much better. Like, and I like that she also, like, gave you things like, you know, was the was the lady who did the thing on the one side of her face, like, didn't actually work. She's like, well, it could be that because, because she sleeps on that side, and because she, like, she dries and gets sun on that side, things you don't think about. Lesley Logan 17:57  I know she's like, she had a healthy skepticism that made me go, oh, okay, she's like, I'm watching it, and I know that there's like, fake stuff out there. But also, like, I don't know, like, my girlfriend does this, like, brushing to her face, and it her face looks so good so, you know, like, but it's that lymphatic drainage stuff, I don't know, like, so. Clare Solly 18:16  Oh and lymphatic drainage is something like, I'm convinced that's actually why I have this little bit of a head cold right now because I had like, a massage with, like, massive lymphatic (inaudible).Lesley Logan 18:23  If Rachel is listening to this, she's gonna send us a link of, like, what you should be doing. Clare Solly 18:26  Oh, please, please Rachel, please send it. Please, please, like I would listen to you and like I'm following you and I'm doing all the things. But I loved that, like that just working out, like things that you do and adding to your normal routine. I think you mentioned, like, can I do the massage while I'm putting on my facial lotion? And she was like, yes, absolutely.Lesley Logan 18:45  Is that great? Because you're already doing it. You're already doing your skincare. And you can, just like, make sure your hands are nice and moisturized, and you can do the things. I'm like, if you're watching this, I'm like, doing the things. And, like, it really does make a massive difference.Clare Solly 18:57  Yeah, it does. It does well and make sure your hands are clean and moisturized, not and just like, you've had French fries and you're like, oh, there's some (inaudible).Lesley Logan 19:05  Like, let's not, let's not make it, let's not it's like they no good deed goes unpunished. Like, don't fuck up. We don't, like, clean your hands. I think people need to wash their hands more. But anyways, I couldn't agree more. And I just thought, like, I just keep going back to, like, self-care is, like, such a self act of love. And like, I mean, we always think, oh, I should go get a facial. Oh, I should go get a massage. And think you could be doing like, little massages to yourself. Clare Solly 19:28  Yeah, yeah. I mean, again, not after French fries, but like at the stoplight, while you're driving in your car. You could do something like quick, like knuckle Gua Sha on yourself, press those lymph nodes in your in your clavicle, and release things. Lesley Logan 19:39  Oh, yeah. I love this one girl online, she like, shows you, like, okay, clear your things. And I'm like, whenever I see her, I'm like, let's just clear them. Like, what are we doing here? And I feel like mine are so tight, no wonder, like, my eyes are always so puffy.Clare Solly 19:48  Oh yeah, yeah. So so many good tips that she had. And I love that you were like, I felt like you were asking the hard questions. And then one thing that I'm fascinated with is the energy in your fingertips. Like, I want to read more about that. I'm like, my fingers are magic. Lesley Logan 20:03  I know the visualization of me is like, oh, does that mean like, I have, like, little like, I want that. What a super power. Like, then you can just, like, someone who annoys you just walk by and, like, shock them. Clare Solly 20:22  So good, so good. Lesley Logan 20:23  Yeah. But, you know, I really so one of the things, like, she's so educated, and obviously the way you can do Botox and things like that, like, she's not any anti any of that stuff, but I really appreciate her honesty. Like, you could also try these things first, if you're, like, not interested in the injectables and but then also, don't just go buy anything that says it's, like, better than Botox. Like, yeah, you know, it's just, I just appreciate like, she's like, you can spend good money in good places, and you could waste it, or you could use your own hands. Clare Solly 20:48  Yeah, well, and, like, I mean, you and I talked about Gua Sha, I think, like, a year ago, and you were like, you have to do this. And I started doing it, and I was good for like, two months, and then I'm like, oh, and I travel, and I forget to take my Gua Sha or, Oh, I'm, you know, you know, off doing whatever and forget to Gua Sha, but my fingers are always attached, and I can't use that as an excuse. Lesley Logan 21:08  I agree, and like, I still like my Gua Sha, but also, it's not always where I am, you know, like it's or it's I found, like I almost want a Gua Sha in the shower, because I'm in the shower already, you know, like I'm already there, but then, like, I have dropped a Gua Sha, don't do that. Then it cracks, and you don't want to scratch your face, so, like, it's so I kind of like that, if I forgot my Gua Sha, if I can't travel with it, if I'm asleep, I could still do it, you know, like, because I think a lot of us look for an excuse of why we can't do something. You have, you know, you have your hands. If you have hands, and if you don't have hands, then teach someone to Gua Sha you.Clare Solly 21:43  Oh, and you said the thing, sorry, I'm circling back to the thing that you said about the like the cold well, she said something about the cold plunge, like you should rinse off at the end of you can stand it. And I am a person that likes the water so hot that it burns my skin when I'm in the shower. Lesley Logan 21:55  I agree with you, because I think that's effective. Clare Solly 21:57  I love a hot, hot shower. I love a hot shower. And I know she was saying she, you know, prefers a shower in the morning. I'm a night person because I like to, like, calm down and cool down and, like, it makes me sleep better. But here's a tip for somebody like me that is, like, afraid of the cold water. I turned down my hot just a little bit so I have, like, room temperature water, and I'll do that for a couple of showers, and then slowly, like, turn down the heat a little bit more, a little bit more. Lesley Logan 22:22  Yeah, I so there's a lot of studies on, like, women's temperature for cold plunge. And so I, you know, like, our cold plunge is set 50. I mean, like, I'm sure men will say that Brad should have it colder, like, he doesn't like cold, like, it's not good for his constitution. So 50, 50, is fucking cold. I'll just say that. And I we use it in the morning as a such a great way to, like, wake up. Like it is, like, better than coffee, like it's you do. You can, like, be hung over and get in that fucking thing, and you are not hung over anymore. You're like, okay, it's not going over my head, it's not going my face, but, like, I get up to my neck and shoulders. I do it for a few minutes. It's enough. I like the routine of it. I like the way I'm starting the day. Like, hello. Like, let's go. But we used to do cold showers. And I will just say, those suck. Those are so miserable. But obviously, like, not everyone can have a cold plunge. So I think that you have to figure out what works for you. And I will say, like, the act of doing something that's uncomfortable does allow me to be in more discomfort on most days, not on my worst days, but like on my best days. Discomfort happens things. And I because, like, kind of trained my mind, like I can handle this only a few minutes, like, not a big deal. It does translate. So I think even if you're not doing it for like, the aesthetics of it or the biohacking of it, like, there's reasons to do it. But I also, like to me, the shower needs to burn my skin. I want to be a red I want to be a lobster. I tell Brad, I'm like, it's killing the germs. He's like, That's not it. I'm like, it's gotta be doing something there's never too hot of a hot shower for me. I am, like, just so.Clare Solly 23:52  I'm a lizard. I just want the hot. Lesley Logan 23:54  Yeah, what he used to do is, like, get in the shower at like, the middle, and then, you know, get himself wet at that, like, more like, room temperature water, and then, like, dip it down to a cold that he could tolerate, and then he would do it. That is too long of a commitment, but, hey, you know, but that that's how we're different. Clare Solly 24:13  That's how we're different, yeah, and it's good to talk about these things and things that, like, work for you and don't work for you, and try things.Lesley Logan 24:18  I think it's so funny because the internet's like, you must do this. It's the best thing for, like, the belly fat or the cortisol or the menopause or whatever. If you don't like it, don't do it. Like, oh my god, you know, like, there's so many tools out there, and they might have worked for someone. They don't have to work for you. And then also, like, Whatever happened to like, if it doesn't work for you, it's okay for it to work for someone else. Don't you? I just feel like, you know, we don't have to be the same.Clare Solly 24:43  Yeah, well, and your body changes too. Like Rachel was saying, like, some of the things that you'll do, and that she suggests, your body will actually change while you're doing it. And so maybe the thing that you're you start doing today isn't going to work for you in a year. And so, you know, just, you know. Find a new thing. Lesley Logan 25:00  I know I had to change my skincare line after 40 I found a really great one that I love, but, like, the stuff I was doing before, just like, stopped being great. That's okay. It's not there's nothing wrong with the line. It just wasn't right for me. And like, oh my god, you know. So if you love your Gua Sha, keep doing it. But if you if you hate your cold plunge, don't. Find something else that like challenges your body a different way? Clare Solly 25:22  Yeah, absolutely. Let's talk about the Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo? I know I took away two crucial foundational elements for overall health and skin, drink 1.2 to 2.5 liters of water daily. One of my hacks for this, I actually, when I'm setting up my coffee at night, I put a cup of water by the coffee machine so I don't even have to fill it up. It's ready when I wake up, and I like, I'm just like, I dummy proof it like I drink my cup of water while I'm waiting for the coffee to brew. And then I'm gonna start doing this. I'm gonna put a pinch of salt in it. I actually put magnesium drops in mine, because I drink them all day long, because, like, your bottled waters, like Perrier and those mineral waters that are European have magnesium in them. So I get my magnesium that way too, although they say magnesium is best absorbed through the skin. So I could just be doing it for fun. Lesley Logan 26:19  That's why the Epsom salt thing is so good. Clare Solly 26:21  Yeah, I'm gonna try that. Lesley Logan 26:22  I'm telling you tonight, since you have one more night here, yes, put it in your bathroom. You're doing it. We're gonna do all the magnesium, and then make sure that water is filtered, whether you're putting it on your body or in your body.Lesley Logan 26:33  Yeah, guys, find a shower filter. Oh, my god. Like, even if you're renting, like, you gotta do it, yeah? Because, like, there's so much crap in that water, or they've taken everything out of it, so there's nothing good in it, like you got, if you can't change the filtered water in your house, we could, but because we, but, like, that's, it's an investment we're not making right now. So we have a shower head filter, and we've had it for a year. Whole my hair is different, my skin is different, everything's different. Clare Solly 26:59  Yeah, I just got one. I rent my apartment, and I just bought one. Pro tip, though, make sure you can actually find filters for your shower head and for if you I have one on my sink, too, make sure you find filters that like they're out there and they're not hard to find, and they're not expensive, or the way you can afford them.Lesley Logan 27:14  Ours is like, ours was a gift because we asked for it at Christmas, and I actually do wonder if, like it even as a filtered change, or if we just buy it a whole new thing, if we can find a filter for it, I'm gonna move it to the guest bathroom, because, yeah, I got you guys to listen to the HigherDOSE. I was like, oh, we're due for a new filter. And then HigherDOSE is like, hey, we have a red light filtered water head.Clare Solly 27:35  Ooh, okay, maybe I need to try that one while I'm here too. Lesley Logan 27:39  Okay, I'm we're recording it, and it's supposed to ship tomorrow. So I don't have it, I can tell you right now, like, the number of red lights that I live under. Like, I can't even wait to shower, light off. Red in the bathroom, red light on.Clare Solly 27:51  Amazing, amazing, amazing.Lesley Logan 27:55  Rachel's probably like, girl, I don't know. I fell for all of it. I'm in.Clare Solly 28:00  You know what? Sometimes, sometimes things that we think make us beautiful actually do make us beautiful because we like them. Lesley Logan 28:06  Yeah, beitpod.com/higherdose okay, use that link. It's our affiliate, so that helps you support this podcast. And then Balanced Dose, Balanced with so, like, like, two Ds in the middle, we'll get you 20% on anything you want there. But I'm, like, big on the show. I'm so excited about it.Clare Solly 28:22  Amazing. So Lesley, what were your biggest takeaways?Lesley Logan 28:25  Okay, so she said, we just have to, like, hear this, look at your beautification routine as self-love, because you're worth it. You are worth it, right? And so we've said it already, but I think, I think some of the best, Be It Action Items are the ones we repeat. Because, like, I just think so many people see it as, like, something they have to buy into. And it's like, it is part of it. We did this with the fascia blaster lady. She's like, massaging your body is like time spent with your body. It's an act of self-love and like, so that you guys, we don't realize when things change in our body, because we're just so used to kind of like living with it. We're kind of like a frog like, although I have heard that the frog in boiling water is, is a myth but everyone says it, so it makes sense, so we'll use it, but it is a totally, apparently, a myth. So we don't realize, like, that ache we had yesterday, and we're like, oh, it's still there. And then we kind of, like, we kind of start to live with it. So I just really believe, the more time you spend with yourself, like you will recognize when things are changing and some of those things are changing, or your moles, like, I have pre skin cancer, and I didn't know you could be I thought we were all pre, weren't you? Apparently there's another level. It's an in between. But it's because I was like, hey, this mole is acting differently. Can you check it out? You know? And so, like, if you're not spending time with yourself and your body, you don't notice these changes that are happening, so. Clare Solly 29:38  Yeah, and it's really worth it. I mean, you taught me years ago to put on my calendar the things that were worth it for me to do for myself. So like, even if you have to block off your like, mentally block off your calendar for 15 more minutes to, like, go take that extra time in the shower, to do your Gua Sha, to do your Epsom salt. Like, do it like, you are worth the extra five minutes, 15 minutes out. You're worth it.Lesley Logan 30:00  You really are. I mean, I think, I think a lot of us are spending way too much time on things that actually don't care for us, make us feel good. And so I just think that, like, notice if you actually made the time for your skincare, notice what you don't have time for. And I promise you, you're letting go of the things you didn't need to be doing. Clare Solly 30:16  I'm sure we could all stop scrolling for 15 minutes. Lesley Logan 30:18  Well, here's the thing. Like, if I was to say, hey, you know, like, Clare, you're like, Oh, I'm flying down. Oh, you're flying tomorrow, right? Yeah. Oh, my God, Clare, I just want a shopping spree. You know, at our favorite store that you're, you know, it's at two o'clock, you move your fucking flight. I would move it. You would move it. You would just do that. Like, so we make time for things we want to do. And if you say you really want to take care of yourself, you will make time for it. If you just so she also reminded us, we have one body, so we have to care for it. We have to make good decisions for it. And like, I was telling you the other day, I don't always feel motivated to work out, but I I want to when I'm 80, I'm gonna be glad I did. So that's why I do it. Like, that's literally, like, the days I want to do I'm like, I have this one body, and when I'm 80, I'm gonna be glad I did it. So she also wanted to remind you she has a free 30 minute biohacking video. It's for the skin video. So I think you should go do that. Why not? You can find it at theschoolofradiance.com so I would go do that. Clare Solly 31:11  I'm gonna go click on it after this, I'm gonna go watch it. Lesley Logan 31:14  Also, her skin is fucking stunning. I thought I had good skin. She is great, great skin. Clare Solly 31:20  I also wanted to train me how to do that like, three way braid like that was awesome.Lesley Logan 31:23  I I know that's my next thing is to learn how to braid my hair. But at any rate, maybe that's funny. If you have someone who teaches people how to braid hair as that you follow or you love, like that, I need that person on the pod. I want them to teach me on the pod like that is, oh yeah, like, that's why i It's the year of learning how to deal with my hair so.Clare Solly 31:42  Because you tried them, then I could come try your red lights. Lesley Logan 31:45  I'm at the point where I would chop it off, but it does look beautiful when it's done. So you know, I feel really good about my mascara. Feel really good about my brows. I feel really good about the skincare. I just need someone to fucking do my hair. So she's brilliant. So go check that out, schoolofradiance.com you guys, I'm Lesley Logan. Clare Solly 32:00  And I'm Clare Solly. Lesley Logan 32:01  And tell us what you what of these things you're trying, what? Try one at a time if you hate it, right? Move on. The next thing we want to know, and also Rachel's gonna want to know, so make sure you let her know and send us a friend who is buying all the things off of Instagram that they think will work, so that they can, you know, maybe hear some tricks that are better and that you'll have a fun more conversation, I think, than one on. Hey, did you try this 17th thing that you have to buy and then it doesn't work? Send it to anybody who needs to hear it and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Clare Solly 32:30  Bye. Lesley Logan 32:32  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. 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In this rejuvenating episode, host Lesley Logan welcomes back double board-certified aesthetic nurse specialist Rachel Varga to uncover the truth behind popular skincare trends and everyday habits. Drawing from her extensive clinical experience with rejuvenation procedures since 2011, Rachel reveals why expensive beauty tools might be a waste of money and how simple, affordable biohacking practices can entirely transform a daily routine. Tune in to learn how to turn basic skincare into a profound act of self-love and parasympathetic nervous system healing! If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Self-care rituals that actively regulate your parasympathetic nervous system.Why hydration and salt intake are crucial for morning adrenal support.How your fingertips provide better lymphatic drainage than expensive tools.Why dermal rolling at home beats expensive in-clinic microneedling treatments.Keeping your jaw relaxed to prevent unwanted lower facial aging.Episode References/Links:The School of Radiance Website - https://theschoolofradiance.comThe School of Radiance Podcast - https://theschoolofradiance.com/podcastDiscount Code: Use LesleyLogan15 for discounts on a one-on-one session with Rachel Varga.Rachel Varga Instagram - https://instagram.com/rachelvargaofficialRachel Varga Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/RachelVargaOfficialRachel Varga on YouTube - https://beitpod.com/schoolofradianceyoutubeBreathe by James Nestor - https://www.mrjamesnestor.com/breatheOsea Exfoliant Salt Scrub - https://oseamalibu.comGuest Bio:Rachel Varga, BSN, RN, CANS, is a Double Board Certified Aesthetic Nurse Specialist. Since 2011, Rachel has been offering medical aesthetic rejuvenation in the specialty of Oculoplastics and is known for providing a natural and healthy-looking transformation and educating through her show "The School of Radiance" podcast. She has performed over 20,000 rejuvenation procedures and is also a trainer for other practitioners on rejuvenation procedures including medical grade skin care, laser skin rejuvenation, injectables including neuromodulators and dermal fillers, and slowing aging in general. Rachel is passionate about delivering the highest standard of care, with a focus on what the patient's specific rejuvenation goals are, and a tailored approach to suit their needs, values, and lifestyle. She has published multiple research articles on rejuvenation protocols for the eyelids, jawline, and overall skin health transformation. Rachel is known for her gentle touch, natural-looking results, and making her patients feel comfortable, and at ease with her caring bedside manner that originated in pediatric nursing before beginning her career in medical aesthetics in 2011. She will guide you in creating your customized rejuvenation plan and skincare routine to achieve your goals through one-on-one sessions, expert 7-week seasonal skincare tutorials, and year-long membership for the deeper layers of being beautifully radiant at TheSchoolofRadiance.com. Rachel Varga is one of the first to blend Western approaches to skin care and rejuvenation, functional insights, and biohacking optimization strategies. 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That's what your self-love time really is doing is it's giving you that opportunity to dip into that parasympathetic nervous system, rest and recover and regenerative state.Lesley Logan 0:26  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:12  Hello, Be It babe. Well, I've got someone back. She's fabulous, she's amazing. You loved her first episode. I loved it so much. We got off and I was like, oh my god, I have to talk to her about so much more. So obviously, this is going to just have to be a theme we do. But Rachel Varga is back from The School of Radiance, her amazing podcast, I've been on it. So if you want to, you want to hear me over there and check it out, you should. We're actually going to talk about all the things that we need to be doing to take care of our skin, ourselves. Are the are the tools are being advertised to even worth the time. So lots of scientific words we use, but she also explains all of them. So I promise you, it's great. And we talked about gua sha, facial yoga, derma planing, derma rolling, like, what? What should we be doing? What's a waste of our money and time? You're gonna be mind blown. I'm so mind blown. I just, you just saved me two things from the store, so I'm freaking excited about it, and you can work with her. So check this episode out. You might have a notepad out as anyone you want to listen to, and I hope it, I hope you see how you know, there's things we can be doing every day that are self-care, self-love and helping us be it till we see it. Lesley Logan 2:21  All right, Be It babe. She's back. Love the first episode, we got so much out of it, but we want to get tactical. We don't want to waste our time. We're good at healthy habits, and Rachel Varga is here to make sure that we are doing all the right things to take care of ourselves. Because, I don't know if we talked about in the first episode, but did we talk about how, like self-care is an act of self-love, like it's self-love when you care for yourself, right?Rachel Varga 2:46  It's critical. We need to tend to our inner garden and sanctuary first and foremost, before we give back to others so that we can from the most present place, which is love. Lesley Logan 2:58  Well, Rachel Varga, just in case anyone hasn't listened to your last episode, we'll link it in the show notes. But can you tell everyone a little bit, you know, remind them who you are and why you rock at all the things we're about to talk about.Rachel Varga 3:10  Oh, thanks, Lesley, and I'm thrilled to be here again where we're going to get into some practical tips. So a little bit about myself. I am a what you would consider a double board certified aesthetic nurse specialist since 2011. What does that mean? Well, as a traditionally trained aesthetic nurse, I've performed thousands of rejuvenation procedures on patients over the years, from peels to lasers to injectables, assisting with surgery, teach other docs and nurses on these techniques, right? Research papers, obviously have The School of Radiance Podcast that you've been on, Lesley. However, after being in that world for so long, and then incorporating biohacking and longevity practices and truly amplifying the home care practices that actually make a huge difference long term, and then maybe sprinkling in some of the in-clinic things, it's just made the world of difference for me. And that's really what I'm all about, is helping you both look and feel your best. And if I can do it, you can do it too.Rachel Varga 3:59  Yes, that's what we want. Because sometimes it's like, oh my god. Is this even impossible? Like, can I even attain these things? Do you have to be an expert at it? So I appreciate that you make things accessible and easy for us. Okay, so let's talk about it. You know, most of the women listening to this show are like me. We're over 40. We're trying to, we, you know, some of us were raised in the 80s, and like no one, everyone liked a tan baby back then. So we're all we learned in our 20s. Oops, we got to wear sunscreen. Gotta do all the things. But what are some practical tips in our self-care, in our bathrooms and taking care of ourselves that we that we should be thinking about? I'm thinking like, should I? Is gua sha anything thing? Is that gonna do anything for me? I'm thinking like, you know that kind of stuff, like, what are your favorite tools that maybe are underrated, and we should be thinking about?Rachel Varga 5:01  100%. let's start with setting the stage for am and pm rituals. I don't say morning, because why do we want to mourn the morning right the start to the day? This is like, beautiful, rise and shine, babes. So it really starts with hydration. The skin, bottom line, we need to be drinking about two to two and a half liters water a day. Make sure there's some salt in there to support those adrenals. Hello, life in our 40s, if we're not for full, those adrenals are going to get taxed just with life stuff that happens. So your am and pm routine, we're going to get into the practical facial wash off skin care. But what this actually can do that's really potent is allow you to drop in for five to 15 minutes, however long it takes you to get ready, into your parasympathetic nervous system state. And I would say that this is actually one of the most important things for us as women to dip into as often as possible. That's actually going to slow our aging. Get that cortisol down. Get that adrenaline down. Get that sympathetic state nervous system state down and regulated into the parasympathetic, because at the end of the day, that state itself that you're consciously stepping into when you step into your bathroom, where you do your self-care, it's setting that intention and setting that stage. So I didn't want to bypass or skim over bu that's what your self-love time really is doing is it's giving you that opportunity to dip into that parasympathetic nervous system, rest and recover and regenerative state. That's what we're doing with our skincare right? Lesley Logan 6:59  I'm sorry, you blew my mind. You're like, okay, the first thing is going to be the water. I mean, like, yes, yes. But you know, like, I don't I think that no one was expecting that to be the first thing. We're like, okay, hydration, yes, which moisturizer? And you're like, water. I do think we we miss it, and then the salt, the part, component of it. Because I do think people are like, oh, my god, I would be bloated, like, I remember, you know, everyone's like, I have a photo I'm in the fitness world. I have a photo shoot. No salt. And it's like, yeah, but like, I've had blood tests gone where, like, a guy's like, you could eat a salt, like, like, your body needs more salt.Rachel Varga 7:35  Most of us do, and especially if we're here. I mean, I'm in my late 30s. I'm not 40 yet, but I'm feeling those shifts. I'm feeling that need for that softness and that additional salt intake with the hydration to support the adrenals, because I know that there's things that are going to be happening, coming up with perimenopause and menopause and all that. So I don't want to downplay that, and it's also just a really good practice to focus on your hydration before you reach for that coffee to nourish the body. It's going to be great for brain support as well. So now getting into the nitty gritty side of the skin care things. I'm a huge fan of taking a shower or taking a bath in the AM, it's really great for me. I train a ton, whether that's Pilates or yoga, weightlifting. I do a big mix of a lot of different things. I need that warmth. I need that relaxation in the AM, sometimes we can wake up just like a little bit stiff, especially when we are training quite a bit. Fascia relaxed, relax that nervous system, and you'll actually get a better face wash and exfoliation, we'll talk about for the body. But I do like to suggest doing cleanse. I have a great cleanser on my skin shop, and then follow that up with a scrub, and you'll get a better face wash with that fresh running water, as opposed to over the sink. You might have some residual cleanser left over, and then you have water fade on your vanity.Lesley Logan 9:12  I one of my facialists, she made these amazing things where that it was a towel on your hands, and I went all the way up, like, imagine, like, leg warmers for your arms when it was, like, a towel so you could, like, wash your hands, wash your face, with these on, and then the water would catch but then I had to put them on every day, and I'm like, this is too much. I prefer to be in the shower. I have my face wash in the shower. It just, you are correct. I hate when I get up. I'm like, oh, there's a bunch all around my eyes. Awesome.Rachel Varga 9:39  I think it's just more efficient. Because I don't know about you all, but I brush my teeth in the bathroom, in the shower, too. So, do my face cleanse, do my face scrub, because that regular exfoliation is actually, it's a huge myth that people think, oh, if I read sensitive, dry skin, I don't want to scrub. You do want to gently exfoliate so that your products and serums can be better absorbed in the skin. You don't have this build up of the stratum corneum, which are like stacked corn flakes. Brush your teeth in there too. Get that heat on the body, get the body kind of relaxed, waking up a little bit, and then, if you are brave enough, doing about a 20 to 32nd blast of cold is really helpful for toning that vagus nerve, maybe even humming in the shower. Not enough women are doing this, and I see a lot of women struggling in that sympathetic, dominant nervous system state. So all of these little things just that you start to weave into your daily practices are not only going to help your skin look better, but are going to be supportive of the brain and the nervous system health, which thus is going to make you a little bit more powerful in that mind-body connection when you go into your workouts too.Lesley Logan 10:55  Oh my gosh. Love this. What a fun shower routine like I'm really I think this is great. I, humming. What an interesting so do you hum with the cold, or instead of the cold, or after the cold, when do you hum?Rachel Varga 11:08  It's actually a great distraction technique when you're getting that cold exposure. And I mean, I don't love cold exposure. I much prefer heat, but we do want to balance that heat and cold yin yang. We live in a world of duality. So if humming can, I think it's kind of stacking your vagus nerve toning with the humming. So like a hum or boo, those are good to do while you're getting through the motion of that 20 to 32nd cold shock which, which is good for you. And these are just little things that can be woven into your routines that are just going to make it a little bit next level. Lesley Logan 11:50  Yeah, okay, I love this, and it's true. I also had heard like, don't exfoliate your face too much. But I got a really amazing gentle, gentle exfoliation, that face wash that I really loved, and it my face left feeling moisturized afterwards. I think I was the youngest when I was using that every single day, so I clearly have to get back on that.Rachel Varga 12:11  I should actually send you. I don't know why I haven't sent you this already, but just like a whole skin routine of cleanser, scrub, I have a really great tightening eye serum, C60 serum, copper peptide, moisturizer, sunscreen, like you're going to be set that's a really solid basic routine. And when you're in the shower, another thing to stack in this moment for you, when you're rinsing your body off. By the way, I wrote a research paper about a year and a half ago, titled Oxidative Stress Status and Its Impacts on Skin Aging. What does that mean? Why is it important? Well, it's really inflammation that ages us, and where do those environmental toxins come from? Air, water, lighting, electromagnetics, eating the wrong foods, yeast, fungi, mold, heavy metals and parasites. And when I was researching air, when heavy metals in the air land on the skin, they actually tell your keratinocyte stem cells to die faster. So this concept of cleanliness is next to godliness, or rinsing off the energy of the day has another layer to it that you might not have thought about just literally rinsing off debris in the air that might have landed on you while you were sleeping or going throughout your daily life. To get that skin clean like you don't have to scrub down your entire body. But I what I will say is a really good scrub to do in the bath or the shower, is actually Epsom salts. So you're getting that simultaneous absorption of magnesium. Really good. Lesley Logan 13:53  This. So should I do this in the in the nighttime shower, the pm shower, because it's magnesium will help me sleep, is that a better (inaudible).Rachel Varga 14:00  Yeah, I'm a huge fan of either soaking in a magnesium I mean, I consume magnesium as well, and last last night, I actually did like probably 40 sprays of magnesium all over my body. But exfoliating with an Epsom salt, like salt with a bit of avocado oil is such a great hack, especially if you are in high altitude or desert climates, for the full body, it's really cheap, but you're just getting this absorption of the magnesium. So it depends what you're doing that day.Lesley Logan 14:33  I love this because it's I really love a float tank, like I'm obsessed with them. I think they're really great. They're so good for my usually, when I would go to a coaching event to be coached, I would float the night before, and then at the next morning, before I fly out, I'd float again. Because just like you know, that's a lot of over ones, a lot of information, a lot of stuff for the body. And I just slept so good. I felt so good. I felt so connected. But here in Vegas, there's none near me, so this feels like kind of the in between the best of both worlds. And for the people worried about the water, they just want to like, I know my peeps are wanting to take care of the environment. I know in Las Vegas, 98% of all shower, sink water is actually getting repurposed and reused. It is actually getting cycled, cleaned and put back out there. Vegas is actually doing amazing things with re reusing water. So don't worry. Don't worry, like, check where you are, what they're doing to make sure that we're maintaining water sources. But like, you don't have to sacrifice yourself as what I was my point is, there's probably a great service happening around you, too.Rachel Varga 15:34  Yeah, and I do live on a small island, Vancouver Island, so our water is pretty good here. However, there's things that get added to the water to purify it, and like pharmaceuticals that enter the water supply too. So I am a huge fan of drinking filtered water and also showering with filtered water. And I have a shower head recommendation, actually on my bio hacking page that you could just easily install, too, Lesley Logan 15:59  We just did that this year, because it is, it's hard water here, and I could tell, and we got, oh my gosh, it changed everything. And now my poor guests, I've got to do one for them, you know, you got to do it. So these are little things that we don't think about, you know, like you don't think about the water that's coming on your skin. And you could be doing all these amazing things, and then you could be reversing it a little bit with the water.Rachel Varga 16:21  Yeah, and people, people always ask me, like, oh, you know about skincare and rejuvenation? And it's like, yes, those are all important. But it's these little nuanced layers that are either going to relax your nervous system, help tone your nervous system or support it from a nutrient or mineral perspective. So really good, dialed in rejuvenation. Skincare routine is not only going to be just what you put on your skin, it's literally actually how you completely move through life. And one other thing I want to talk about is just using that Epsom salt. Like, just pick up some Epsom salt from your local pharmacy or chemist that doesn't have anything else added to it, and just put, like, grab some of that salt. And I like to put that avocado oil all over my body, like in the bathroom, shower, and then just use that. It's, it's better in the shower, so that you don't have the avocado oil like in your tub, yeah, and then just grab handfuls of that salt and go over the body. So it's similar to say dry brushing. Dry brushing isn't something that I'm really on board with. The main benefits of dry brushing is actually for micro circulation, lymph and the nervous system, but a magnesium scrub, I think, is going to be accomplishing something similar. While you're simultaneously hydrating with that avocado oil, exfoliating with the Epsom salt, magnesium flakes, and you're absorbing some of that magnesium. So I just think it's a little bit more efficient.Lesley Logan 17:59  Well, yeah, because I mean, like, you know, I have a dry brush, and I have used it for, like, the circulation, like, type of a thing, but because it's so dry here, it actually is not pleasant for me, like, as except for, like, when I'm in a place, it's like, more like, lay a little more humid. It feels nice. Here, I'm like, okay, we're just dry on dry. So I like what you're saying. I do think my housekeeper and Brad are gonna start to wonder why the kitchen is now in the bathroom, but I'm all in also, can we just, like, shout out to like, how affordable this thing is? Because I think sometimes we start to think about, like, taking care of our skin. All of a sudden everything is like, $75 $1,000 and so this is avocado oil. Is not the cheapest oil, but, like, it's also not like my Osea exfoliant salt scrub is like, 60 bucks in last month. This is gonna an Epsom salt bag is huge. And then the I think that I can make this last longer. I love this.Rachel Varga 18:52  Yeah, I've seen lots of scrubs on the market over the years, including, like, coffee grounds scrubs that is a mess, okay?Lesley Logan 18:59  I know. I don't think I need, coffee grounds get ever, it's like glitter. No, no. Rachel Varga 19:04  Yeah, yeah, the Epsom salts. I mean, do that have some in the tub. Take a bath with it to finish things off. But yeah, you're gonna want to clean out your tub afterwards. I just found that the avocado oil worked a little bit better than olive oil, not to mention, a lot of olive oils are like and avocado oils are mixtures. So you do want that single source oil. Yeah for sure. So when it comes to what I've seen in the marketplace, in the medical aesthetics world, for products for the body, they're just really expensive skincare in a larger bottle. Lesley Logan 19:41  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.Rachel Varga 19:44  Yeah, that gets too expensive. But when it comes to doing our skincare on our face, neck, chest and hands, this is when I recommend getting into some more sophisticated formulations, simply because the skin on the face, neck, chest, hands is more high real estate area, and also the arms, depending on if you're in a climate that's warm all the time, like you are, Lesley, you want to be cleansing, exfoliating, feeding, nourishing and protecting that skin all the time, and just getting in that habit. So when I'm in the bath or the shower, I'm doing my cleanser. Face, neck, side of the neck, upper back, entire chest area. Follow that up with the scrub. I have a really great, actually magnesium facial scrub. You don't want to use the Epsom salts on the face, because those the grit is pretty big and it's also jagged, so it's okay for the body, but for the more delicate areas of the face, neck and chest, we want to be using more of like a spherical particle to buff and polish somewhat more delicate skin, so we don't get micro tears and things like that. So I did just want to delineate not using that what you're doing for the body on the more delicate areas and the all the products that I'm mentioning are on my skin shop too, by the way, I source at the best and also make products. And then after you've fully rinsed that all off, you want to actually go straight into your skincare and your skin hydration routine. And I remember, I have a sister who's six years older than me, and for all of us here around this age group, do you remember the Cosmopolitan magazine?Lesley Logan 21:26  Oh, yes, are you kidding? I was a subscriber. Had to hide it, but I would loved it. Rachel Varga 21:30  Absolutely. And I remember coming across an interview with Halle Berry, and one of the tips that she shared was, as soon as she gets out of the bath or the shower, she gets right into her hydration routine. And that's really wise, because when you are applying your skin care without fully towel drying your face, neck and chest area, and there's still some of that humidity, like sure go over your hairline, a little bit to the eyes, maybe underneath the jawline, but going right into your skincare routine while the skin is still humid, you'll actually be able to use less product and have more of that product slip easier and be ever be able to cover more areas. So go right after the bath, shower, go right into, say, your eye serum or eye cream, and then follow that up with an antioxidant serum. I love C60. I've created an incredible C60 formula. You can also look at hyaluronic acid or copper peptide serums, for example, follow that up with your moisturizer and your sunscreen. The nuance here is literally every time you are this is going to save you a lot of time and money, because we're going to talk about gua sha lymphatic drainage here. You don't need a gua sha stone. You don't need a gua sha roller. You got your hands. I mean, I got like, mega gym hands here, lifting those weights proofs in the pudding. But what's cool about our fingertips is not a machine. It's called the bio well, and when we put our fingers in this little box, it can actually measure the photons coming off of our fingertips. This is called purely on photography. It gets six we literally, we have little lightning bolts coming off of our fingers that you can't see.Lesley Logan 23:24  What? That's crazy. And so we can put these back in to our body, is what you're saying? So instead of using a stone, we can be using our own hands. So now you've already saved us 60 bucks on a stone. Brad, don't listen to that. We have two stones. We will still use them.Rachel Varga 23:44  I mean, with a lot of those gua sha tools and jade rollers, where are they being made? Right? They're being made overseas and some four year old probably made it.Lesley Logan 23:57  I really hope not from one company, but yes, it's true. But I think, like, I think we think, oh, it's this great stone. This is jade. This is rose quartz. Rose quartz can be healing, but I have seen you can use your fingers, as long as your hands are, clean them up, and then you have moisturizer on your hands and your face. And then you can do it. It's actually, there's something, I'm sure this is why the photons on the fingertips is going to come into play. There's something really calming and nurturing about it, because it's not a stone on the body, it's you on your own body, like it's like you getting to know your own faith. Like there's just different things you're going to feel and you're going to find. Rachel Varga 24:35  Yeah, 100%. So if we're using a hard tool, like a gua sha tool, we kind of miss the engagement to feel what our lymph nodes are up to. And that's the whole point of facial gua sha and lymphatic drainage is to open up these lymph nodes. So say, for example, you're opening up your nodes first above your clavicles. And I have a whole tutorial on like how to really do it, but we have our nodes here. So if you palpate above your collarbone, you might feel like a couple of sore spots. And when you dig in a little bit more and you kind of get to that, oh, okay, I can feel it. That's actually, again, really good for vagus toning, vagus lymph toning.Lesley Logan 25:24  And what should it feel like? Like, because I can feel like, I can feel like muscles, and then I can feel some like soft spots. Like, is it should it feel like juicy? Should it feel?Rachel Varga 25:35  You'll feel like a point of discomfort. And that's actually really good for helping to tone the vagus nerve and just a little bit of gentle pressure here, it's going to squish the lymph in the nodes above your clavicle. Because whatever we do to for lymphatic drainage on the face and the neck, it has to flow out. So we actually need to first open up these clovicular lymph nodes, and then with our fingers we are applying our products at the same time. So when you're cleansing, when you're doing your eye cream, when you're doing your serums, your moisturizer, your sunscreen, you're always going over these lymph nodes going underneath the jaw line and and the sort of pattern I like to do is start with the nodes when you're cleansing, and then when you follow up with every other step, like your serums, your eye cream, your moisturizer, your sunscreen. We're doing these sweeping motions so circular around the eyes, kind of going in a little bit with firmer pressure on the side of the nose, sweeping laterally, and then also in front of your ears, here we have a big cluster of nodes too, and they'll feel like a little bit tender, but you want to make sure you're opening that up. Lesley Logan 26:56  Because if you're not, if you're listening to this, you can watch it on the YouTube, because she's doing it with what you're supposed to do. Yeah.Rachel Varga 27:01  And then one of the things that a lot of women really struggle with is tight (inaudible), from clenching from the more embodied and in tune you are with your body, the more self-mastery you have around what you're doing with your face when you're focusing on a task when you're communicating, and a lot of us will furrow the brows or clench the jaw or purse the lips, so when you have a greater awareness of your body, you're not going to do these things as much, which are going to contribute to say, lines on the brows, lines on the upper lip, but the masseter is we want to make sure that these pretty big muscle groups are given some love, so that all of this lymph can drain out.Lesley Logan 27:51  So it feels like, correct me, if I'm wrong, you just basically were saved us some time, because when we are applying our moisturizer, we can be doing the gua sha techniques with our own hands, and then we're also getting to know what's going on with our own body on that day. And we're getting to, like, really check in with ourselves. So thank you, because that's what a great, what a because it's like, I want to be doing all the right things. I definitely want to, like, if I'm puffy or what's going about. Like, also, like, I want to have that habit and to have to not have to have the excuse to have the tool, and I could be doing it myself. What a nice freedom thing, but also a great way to get to know yourself and get to know what you need.Rachel Varga 28:33  Yeah, and you're doing it when you're doing your am and pm skincare routine. So it's not like this additional 15, 20 minute thing that you're doing because it's cute for Instagram. Instead, take that time and do dermal rolling at home instead. So that's not using a jade roller with a stone that's actually using a tool that has little needles on it. Not all dermal rollers are created equally. I use and offer some that have been manufactured since the 90s, then you want to follow that up with appropriate products afterwards to get that collagen and elastin stimulated to help reduce that pigmentation. So it's just a better use of time and energy from using a jade roller to a couple nights a week doing the dermal rolling instead for more collagen.Lesley Logan 29:21  Oh, okay, so I'm clearly going to the shop and I'm doing some stuff. Is dermal rolling different than I'm going to sound like an idiot, is dermal rolling different than dermal blading? Derma blading? Do you know? I mean, okay, and should we be doing that? Rachel Varga 29:36  Great question, I get this all the time. So, dermal planing. Lesley Logan 29:42  Oh, planing, yes. Rachel Varga 29:43  Yes, that got really popular. I'm trained in it, but I never bothered to do it because it's just glorified shaving the face. I gotta do a really funny confession here. Okay, you could pay somebody $300 to $400 to take a scalpel. Put some fancy powder on your face, and then take that scalpel and shave your face off your facial skin. Right? Off facial skin? Well, you're removing some skin, but it's it's great for the peach fuzz, right? And then your skincare and your makeup just goes on flawlessly after that. Shaving the face is huge to have a flawless, dewy look, especially in when it's sunny and warm out, and we want that glassiness to the skin, right? So you could pay somebody three to $300 to $400 to shave your face for you, or you could just do it yourself. Lesley Logan 30:33  So you don't have to get like a derma you could just do a regular razor, like a good one, but a regular one. Okay. How come? Okay. Well, these ads are really pissing me off, because they make it seem like you do a special thing. Well, thanks, thanks for that. Thank you for that. I know I do see the ones where they're all the powder and I'm like, I feel like I can see my peach buzz, like, I'm it's there. Like, I don't need to have powder on to know where the peach buzz is.Rachel Varga 30:56  So ridiculous when I see these ads, because what the heck is in that powder? Like, is it talc? And people are putting this powder on because it looks kind of interesting, but they're inhaling it. And I pretty much guarantee that that product has not been tested or approved for inhalation and engagement interaction with the respiratory tract, just saying. Lesley Logan 31:22  Yeah, okay, well, that's great. So derma, derma blading, derma, derma rolling. Rachel Varga 31:27  Derma planing. Lesley Logan 31:29  And it's not the same as derma rolling. Rachel Varga 31:31  Exactly, yeah, and then we have micro blading, which is semi permanent brow makeup or powder brow. So dermal rolling, otherwise known as, say, microneedling, can be done in two ways. In the clinic, there's like a pen type of tool that's done in the clinic, and then you can have PRP or exosomes or other products applied afterwards, those are, again, about $400 to $600 a treatment. It's recommended every month, and usually a package of six. Now you could do that, which would be the equivalent of, say, biohacking once a month, or living healthy once a month and going to somebody to tell you what to do, or do it for you once a month. That doesn't make a ton of sense, does it?Lesley Logan 32:23  Right. No, it's like, it's like, doing your workout one time a month. So I got it, yeah. Rachel Varga 32:26  Going to a personal trainer once a month and not doing anything really in between, except for maybe stretching. So if you were to say, consider doing dermal rolling or microneedling at home with the right tool, with the right technique, with the right products to stabilize your skin beforehand, with that cleanser, moisturizer, sunscreen, scrub and then what to apply afterwards, you're getting that collagen induction two to five nights a week. You're keeping those collagen enzymes activated constantly in this state of cell renewal. To me, that just makes a lot more sense. And not to mention the rollers are, like 150 bucks, if you were to and they're gonna, the ones that I have are like a two year product as well, like they last about two years, they'll just kind of dull, like a razor, more economical weeks, makes way more sense to me.Lesley Logan 33:18  And you can use it on the face, can use it on the neck? Wonderful. Okay, we can come back to that topic, but face yoga, worth the time? Is it a thing, like, is it a thing? Do I be making faces in front of the mirror to get my muscle?Rachel Varga 33:38  You're asking all the right questions, Lesley, I'm super proud of you. You know, I go on Instagram, and because I'm in the skin space, my page is @RachelVargaOfficial, by the way, and so I get to see all these ads that you are all seeing too, because I'm interested in skin and health and anti aging wellness and all that biohacking stuff too. And I see these ads this, like, before on one side of the face, and then after, of, like, instantly lifted.Lesley Logan 34:12  Oh, I just got that one where she's like, watch me lift my face. And she took this thing and, like, her face is up, and I'm like, You look like you just had a stroke. What did you just do on the other side of your face? Like, what just happened? I don't think that's supposed to happen.Rachel Varga 34:25  The funny thing with that is they never show both sides of the face before they do that demonstration, so that person could very likely have some pre existing facial asymmetries that with some good marketing and product placement. Oh my gosh. Look at these before and after results comparing both sides, that person might constantly be sleeping on this side, on their left side, and also the driving side, that brow could just be naturally lower in another place. So the other side, the right side that maybe they don't sleep on, they don't have as much sun damage, and just the way that their facial musculature is could naturally be a couple millimeters higher. So I always have a bit of a laugh when I see those.Lesley Logan 35:14  Oh my gosh. Okay, so well, I appreciate that you're seeing the same ads as me, because, like, after this conversation, I'm gonna get more of them. My phone is right here, listening away. So, okay, so, but so face yoga, we can save our time, or it's worth doing?Rachel Varga 35:29  I'm a huge fan of yoga for the body, and while you're doing your your yoga for the body, you're keeping your face relaxed, right? You're you're having an awareness. You're maybe doing a hard pose, or a hard Pilates routine, like you're really there, you're really present, you're giving it your all, and you're doing it, and you're clenching your jaw, or you're biting down and bearing down, or you're bringing your brows together and like focus. In those states, this is just nervous system mastery, this is full body awareness, mind-body connection, what you're doing with your face, you actually want to keep your face as relaxed as possible, because that's directly tied to beauty. That's why I mentioned the nervous system state. The more relaxed you are in that parasympathetic state, the more beautiful you are going to be perceived as because a sign of nervous system regulation, signs of health and vitality, that's actually what's attractive, even if you have signs of aging, right? It's the way that you carry yourself, it's the way that you present yourself. It's the how present you are. The facial yoga, in a nutshell, never been a huge fan of it. And again, I've seen these before and after images of people who promote these things, and I take one look at them, there's especially this one more mature oriental woman who does it, and before she just had a really wide jaw. And to me, when I see that, I see face lift, I see lower jaw surgery as very likely a possibility of happening. So I kind of take that into consideration that I really don't think that having that face shape shift be that significant is from doing facial yoga exercises. Now that being said, there are some really good things that we can do with our face, which is to not go through life with your mouth open. If we go through life with our mouth open, we actually can, and we mouth breathe, or we do that while we sleep, you're going to have crummy sleep. And actually you're you can experience we see this when we look at long term mouth breathers, they have this lower mandible jaw recession. And I think that's also related to some of the scaling muscles and some of the soft connective tissue, the fascia. When the mouth is open, it can get tight. Something's tight here that's resulting in that back shift of the mandible. So I'm here to say that go through life with your with your lips together. Lesley Logan 38:34  Yeah. Well, you know, I read that in the book Breathe from James Nestor, like we are changing our faces, like by being by mouth breathing. It's like changing the way that your cheeks are shaped, and the way your your cheeks rest on your face, and that all that stuff, you know, you're it's a really interesting thing. We used to say, like, your ears just keep in. Nose keep growing. But actually, like, the bones of your face can change your whole life, depending on, like, how you're breathing. So I believe that. Well, I love that. So that makes me happy. Okay, puffy eyes. Do I need to be taking my things out of the freezer? And is that going to help me every single morning? It should be my spoons.Rachel Varga 39:10  I love this so much. Definitely. We'll talk about that, because that's actually the area that the eyes and eye aging is, it's an area of specialty I've been involved in since 2011 in the field as an aesthetic nurse in ocular plastics, ophthalmology, and my first research paper was actually on eye aging and rejuvenation algorithms. So this is actually totally related, because when it comes to in-clinic rejuvenation, we've all heard of neuromodulators. We've heard of the brand name Botox, right? What does that do? Well, it's injected in specific areas to relax the communication from the nerve to the muscle, and that can create a lifting effect between the brows, so it reduces the ability to furrow the brows. It can allow, I wrote a paper on micro droplet technique around the eyes to give a non surgical eyelid lift, to relax this circular muscle around the eyes. It's like a sphincter. When we scrunch or when we smile, it brings the brow down and we get the lines in the corners of the eyes, which we call the crow's feet, simply by the mechanism of the muscle fibers being like a circle around the eyes. So when you're doing your eye cream and facial cleansing, to actually do a circular motion around the eyes to keep those muscle fibers oriented in that circular direction helps with methodic flow, too, and even around the mouth, it's a circular muscle group. That's why we get those perpendicular, vertical lip lines, which women experience a little bit more than men do. Side sleeping is going to do that, drinking from straws as well as going to contribute to that. So here we have neuromuscular and neuromodular treatments like Botox came on the market in the 90s, and now there's lots of different versions of that that work similarly. There's a cleaner version of it, which is the one that I prefer to use instead, but they relax the message of the nerve to the muscle, and they do a great job at refining the skin, giving a little bit of like a glassier look to the skin. And the funny thing is, I wrote a drawing rejuvenation paper too, with the jowls, the jowl, if you were to pinch your jowl, and then kind of move back a little bit. You can kind of tell there's, like, there's something underneath the skin where the jowl is, it's a little thicker.Lesley Logan 41:48  Yeah, like I can feel like this, like it's, I would have thought it was like a muscle, like, this feels thick. This is a yeah, yeah, yeah.Rachel Varga 41:55  This is the DAO muscle. So when we're doing this type of motion, like, we respond to something, we flex our neck, or we're bearing down, and our teeth are together, our lips are apart, and we flex the neck, activate that muscle. So actually, chewing gum will age your jawline faster.Lesley Logan 42:19  Thank God I quit doing that in 2003 I'm so proud of myself.Rachel Varga 42:25  It's also super like uncouth. If you're well put together and you're going through life with chewing gum, it's not like a great look. Lesley Logan 42:37  I also just want to say, and I don't want to get sidetracked about what you're telling, but I just want to say all my Pilates people who are listening you always ask me, like, how do we breathe in Pilates, and should we do the (inaudible) mouth exhale out through the mouth, right there she was doing this weird thing with her like, like her doing tension in her cheeks. That's why I don't let people breathe out their mouth. They have to do in and out their nose, because it keeps the jaw soft. It keeps the neck soft, because we are going to crawl up. And people are might overuse their neck, but when they do that, that breathing, I can't handle that progressive because it creates tension in the neck, tension in the jaw. And now I can just say it also is going to age you. So I'm so grateful for having another reason why you shouldn't do it. Rachel Varga 43:18  I'm your firsthand, I'm and your intuition on that is right? Because you're seeing people do that. You're seeing these muscles pop out and it's like, oh, that doesn't look very good. It's like we're seeing more shadows and things we don't want to see, say, from where the jowl goes down to underneath the jaw bone and into the neck. We have these muscles in the neck called the platysma bands, and then we get these horizontal necklace lines to the neck. We call it tech neck. We're looking at our phone. Everybody gets them pretty common, even in the teens, but the jowl muscle connects to the platysma bands. So when I flex my neck, you'll see the platysma bands pop out and that shadowing? We don't really want a lot of shadows on the skin. We want smooth looking skin, like we want to soften the crow's feet and and have a sharper, defined jaw line. So when we chew and we do facial yoga exercises, we are working out jowl muscle, talking, singing, things like that. So exactly what you're saying of keeping that jaw line and the neck relaxed. It's also going to be really good to do that self massage on the neck to release those scalenes, because with stress, we can have tight shoulders. We want to go through life with our heart open, with our heart relaxed, not compressed inwards, which is going to impact our beauty, because we have poor posture, and then also get these platysma bands really tight. So we do want to have this awareness of actually keeping our face and our neck and our shoulders relaxed. So again, nervous system and mastery does help you be more beautiful and being embodied with what is going on with your body. Where are you carrying your tension? And you need to let it go. So that's getting into the deeper emotional intelligence side of things, but the Pilates and stretching absolutely critical for keeping this fascia limber and lubricated and softened. So that's structurally why we don't want to be doing facial yoga, because these muscles say to the jowls get worked out all the time. Anyways, it's just your life, neuromodulators, off label into the jaw line. Here. I wrote a paper on it, it's why I talk about it. When you don't work out a muscle, it shrinks. When we work out a muscle it gets bigger. So we can actually shrink that.Lesley Logan 45:54  Okay, so, and that's like, that goes to the nerve. You can do things for the puffy eyes or for the gels, what you're saying with that's a little extra thing that's coming in for treatments with the neuromodulators, not you're talking about not a botox necessarily, but the cleaner one.Rachel Varga 46:10  Yeah, yeah. And I'm happy to discuss that more in like a one on one session, because not everything is great for everybody, especially if there's some autoimmune stuff going on, high levels of inflammation. Rejuvenation is not for everybody, but there is one other muscle group I want to talk about in the lower face area, and that's the chin. We can also carry tension in the chin, and when we pout out our lower lip, we can see the appearance of more dimples to the chin. So like that orange peel chin, we think it's pores, large pores, but it's actually just that constant contraction of chin muscle that can lead to that textural change over time as we age. So again, just having that awareness, lips together, jaw relaxed. Nose breathing, we have our nasal cavities, which have little hairs and hydrate and provide humidity to the air before it enters our lungs. So nose breathing is way better than mouth breathing. Mouth breathing terrible for your oral microbiome, too.Lesley Logan 47:21  Cool stuff. Okay, this conversation, so fun. I feel like, if like you got not if you're like, I don't wanna buy anything, ladies, if you could just keep your face relaxed and enjoy a nice shower where you wash your face, I think with your ear like you could think that's a lot right there. But I also just feel like, very empowered in, like, all the different things we can do, for anti aging, but also for in for self-care that doesn't require going to do things like, there's like, options that we have, and we have the tools are at our fingertips.Rachel Varga 47:57  Literally. Lesley Logan 47:57  Literally.Rachel Varga 47:58  What this is, is this just adding intentional layers to all that you do something in life that could seem really simple. There's a complexity to it that's like the beauty of life. I don't want to miss what you asked about puffy eyes, because that's the number one question I get, is, Rachel, what do I do about these dark under eye circles or eye bags, and the area around the eyes, it's about as thin as an eggshell, and it's the first area of the face to show signs of aging. And what I don't want you all to do is go get tear trough filler, because I just started to see huge issues after that. It was it got really popular in 2017.Lesley Logan 48:41  People are filling their eyes? Rachel Varga 48:43  Yeah, it got very popular around that time, and because I come from oculoplastics, when people had lymphatic drainage from hyaluronic acid filler in the lower eyelid, guess where they guess who they would call up, they'd called me to fix it. So I wrote a paper of, okay, what can we do to rejuvenate the eyes that isn't going to give like random puffiness or lymphatic drainage a month later, nine months later, nine years later. I don't do any tear trough fillers for my clients. It's not worth the risk, because there's other things we can do instead. So your skin care, focusing on collagen through dermal rolling, maybe some lasers, relaxing the muscles around the eyes and even to the side of the nose here. So when I scrunch my nose, say, if I'm smiling, we have a (inaudible) muscles picks up the mid face. It can contribute to the lower eyelid bunching and those horizontal eyelid lines. So again, another muscle group that can be softened and just have an awareness of so when you react, you're not, you know, snarling, that's going to contribute to contraction and stretching a lower eyelid skin, but it's really thickening up that skin is going to be helpful. Maybe some filler into the cheeks to support the lower eyelid content. And also surgery, sometimes surgery is just going to be what's going to move any little fat pockets in the lower eyelid.Lesley Logan 50:14  That's what I had. I had a doctor say he's like, your situation is a fat pocket and I have to remove it. And I was like, I don't want to believe that. I want to believe that I have an allergy. I could just figure out what the allergy is. It'll just go away. But I think here we are 20 years later, and it's still there. So I think it's, I think it's probably just a little fat pocket, but that's a.Rachel Varga 50:36  Yeah just little fat pads is better than having, you know, hollow looking eyes. Lesley Logan 50:40  Oh yeah. Rachel Varga 50:41  Right? So that's a surgical situation. It's thicken up that skin, maybe reorient some of the fat that's in the lower eyelid area, and continued skin care and sunscreen is helpful.Lesley Logan 50:54  Yeah, as always, so many great tips. I just really feel like, I mean, clearly, you're so knowledgeable, but also you're pragmatic. And it's like, what here like, we've heard tips from that it still range from having to go in house, but also, like, in your own house, like, what are the things you can be doing? And like, if you can even just start with relaxing your face, like, relax your nervous system, ladies, we got to do it. We can't let you go without your Be It Action Items. So we're gonna take a brief break and come back. Find out where people can find you, follow you, get your amazing tools, biohacking tips and more.Lesley Logan 51:29  All right, Rachel, remind us where you hang out. Remind us where like your store is all that good stuff.Rachel Varga 51:35  Absolutely. On Instagram, @RachelVargaOfficial, I share lots of things to keep you inspired for both looking and feeling your best. And then theschoolofradiance.com is where you can listen to the podcast, where you can shop my skincare products that I've created or have sourced that are fantastic. And you can also book a 90 minute one-on-one with me, where I give you the roadmap of what to do at home and in the clinic, and also my seasonal skin tutorials, where I take you into my restroom and show you exactly how to maximize your basic all the way to advanced layers of really optimizing your skin and rejuvenation routines and even what rejuvenation options are great to do that season. Lesley Logan 52:24  Love it, love, love, love it. I'm going to stock those because, you know, the seasons around here, we've got two, really, but, but when I go, when I travel the world, I enter all the other seasons. So, okay, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps to for people to take, to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Rachel Varga 52:42  Ooh, look at your beautification routine as self-love, because you are worth it. You have one body. Care for that body as best you can by making good decisions. Weave in the skin care, weave in the biohacking. I also have a free 30 minute biohacking for the skin video at the schoolofradiance.com, too.Lesley Logan 53:07  Yeah, I think, I mean, like we said at the very beginning, I I'm also reading an amazing book about, like, just like, the more you have so much self-love, like your life is just better because you don't burn out. You have, you have amazing boundaries because you don't break them for somebody else, because you love yourself so much that you keep all the boundaries that you have so, and you guys, we'll have these links in the show notes, but you can use Lesley Logan 15 for discounts on the one-on-one. So definitely use that. And my name is L-E-S-L-E-Y guys, but I just think that like when I started this podcast about being it till you see it, I thought, like, okay, action-oriented things we can do. And one of the greatest things we can do is love ourselves. And part of that is like that, caring for ourselves, like that, that time in the morning, that time at night. So I love where you started this podcast is that am and pm rituals. I am totally doing the Epsom salt with the avocado oil like that is starting tomorrow. Like, just because we were just talking about before we hit record guys, I just came from an amazing Korean spa. It's my favorite spa in L.A. and it's, I've gone to many of them, but this is one of the best. And I just love how my skin feels. Because if you are hydrating well, when you take that dead skin off, you're moisturized, like it's all there, like you're taking your body knows how to do it. So, so this just sounds like it's gonna do all the most amazing things for me. So thank you for being you, Rachel. Thank you for your amazing tips. Of course, send in all your amazingness to Rachel. Send it to us. Tell us what your takeaways are, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. And then, you know, maybe we'll have to come back and talk about more things, because we're gonna get more ads on junk that we are supposed to buy. 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This first Fuck Yeah Friday episode of March centers on the idea that permission doesn't come from the outside—it comes from you. Lesley highlights the legacy of Alice Milliat, who created opportunities for women in sports by building an alternative system when institutions refused to change. She then shares community wins and her own personal health milestones, reinforcing that progress, self-care, and courage often show up in everyday actions. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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Friday. Brad Crowell 0:03  Fuck yeah. Lesley Logan 0:04  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 0:44  Hi, Be It babe. Hello, happy FYF, our first one on March. Are you ready? Are you in it? This year is just it's going by. There's a lot going on, so much I could say, but we're gonna start with some something that was inspiring and cool, that that I found on the internet. So this is from herstory_feminism. Did you know women's athletics entered the Olympics because one woman forced the issue by building her own games. Meet Alice Milliat. In the earliest 20th century, women were largely banned from competitive athletics, yes, we know, but the Olympic Committee claimed running, jumping and throwing were dangerous for women's bodies, too strenuous, too unfeminine, too much. So women were excluded, officially and unapologetically. Alice Milliat was a French sports administrator who refused to accept that answer. She believed women were not fragile. They were restricted, and if institutions wouldn't change, she would go around them. In 1921 Alice Milliat founded the Federation Sportive Feminine Internationale. I didn't say that with a French accent, I am sorry. Then she did something radical. She organized the Women's World Games, international competitions where women ran, jumped through and competed at elite level in front of crowds of tens of thousands, no permission required. The games were a success. They drew athletes, spectators and press attention, and suddenly the Olympics had a problem. Women's Sports was thriving without them. Under pressure, the IOC agreed to include women's athletics in the 1928 Olympic games, but only a limited number of events, and only after years of resistance. Once women were absorbed into the Olympic system. Alice Milliat was quietly pushed out. The Women's World Games were discontinued. Her organization dissolved. Her name faded from official history. The institution kept the change. The woman who forced it disappeared. Of course. Alice Milliat didn't ask for inclusion. She built an alternative so strong it made exclusion impossible. Women didn't enter the Olympics because attitude softened. The injured because a woman proved the ban was unnecessary. History remembers the institution. It forgets a disruption that forced it to change. So I am just obsessed and with like, I just think that's so cool. What a badass. It's so hard to do something scary and new like that. But she didn't ask for permission. Just did it. And I think, like, isn't that being it till we see it? We don't actually need permission from anyone to do what it is that we want to do. Make sure you just get to do it. So I just want to say, if there's something that you're waiting for someone to deem you worthy of doing, I wouldn't. I would just go do it. And it's really scary. I get it. We're working on something right now that may or may not happen when it when I it's for sure happening, I will definitely shout it out and let you know. But part of me is like, oh, my god, is this the right time? Who are we to do this? We don't have, like, like, we could do it, but like, you know, so just know that, like, you need it all from you. The permission comes from you. Lesley Logan 3:29  All right, we're getting, this is my first FYF that I'm recording, I think, this year. And I'm, I'm just definitely, like, getting back into the swing of things. So if you are, you're like, wow, she sounds a little disorganized. I am just a little bit. Okay, so this is the fyfs where, this is where I actually share your wins. And you guys posted a ton of wins when I asked a few weeks back, so I'm going to read a few of them for you. So I do your wins. I do my wins. And really, we're just here to have a short time together where we go, whoa. Look at all the badasses that (inaudible) like women, you guys are so amazing. I know we have a few good men who listen. Thanks so much. But I'm really but I'm really so proud of how we can constantly find wins in all the muck, right? So this is from Yasmin. She said my biggest win is one week without Instagram to focus on other things. Yasmin, the time I'm recording this like I have to tell you right now, I actually haven't posted in days. I've just been kind of reposting from Profitable Pilates and Be It Till You See It, be it till I see it. And I'm like, why don't we call it Be It Till We See It. It's a group effort. And I am loving it because I have to have focus on other things, like it's being the beast is annoying, and so I'm so happy for you. What that is such a huge win, by the way, because it's kind of addictive. All right. Rachel from Seattle, rach.sos.vib, she wrote, I skied, taught fantastic classes and learned how to use earphones to record with Zoom for eLevate. You know what? Huge wins. You went out, took a break when skiing. You know, you had some fantastic classes that you you taught, like, way to pat yourself on the back. I love that. And then you learned how to use some earphones to record it. You know what? We all have to be beginners again. There's always something to be a beginner and like, it's so good for our brains to do that. So, way to go. All right, one more win from you guys. This is from anniecaminpilates. My wins, being present with my kiddos, getting decent sleep, getting outside for movement and fresh air despite crazy winter weather. You know what? Let me just say, huge win. If you can do all of that with kiddos and crazy winter weather, you're you're kicking ass. So you see how wins can be like something like so simple, I just didn't do Instagram for a week. Like, I am on a mission for more women to see that they are winning at things. They're winning at life because the world is trying to tell us that we're not, and they're doing that because if we banded together, we'd kick some ass, we'd run the world. We'd harness the sun's energy. That's what my yoga teacher said this morning, and I couldn't agree more. Lesley Logan 5:38  All right, so let me tell you my win. So here's where, while we're talking, I have actually had my annual visit with my lady doctor. I scheduled my MRI for my breast visits, and I met with a psychiatrist about my ADHD, and I met with a breast doctor about my high risk. So I am just saying, like, just saying, like, wow, it's March 6, and I've done all the important doctor's appointments I need to do this year, and I just, I'm so proud of myself. I call that a win, especially for someone who hates making phone calls, like I really do. And then the MRI was not easy. I actually had to drive there because, like, scheduling over the phone is just a disaster with doctor's offices these days. In the year of our Lord 2026 with all the AI in the world, you got to go in person if you want to get an appointment that actually can be kept, because, if you remember, last year, they rescheduled it multiple times because it kept getting scheduled during someone's lunch. How does that happen? How does it happen? Lunches should be blocked out. So anyways, my win is like we got them all done, and it's only March. I've got a plan for this year. I'm really excited. I'll share more about my ADHD journey as I have information for you, but just freaking stoked. Lesley Logan 6:42  So now let's give you a mantra and send you on your amazing way. Every act of self-care is a step toward my best self. What a fun mantra to draw on this day. Every act of self-care is a step toward my best self. Yes, every act of self-care is a step toward my best self. I mean, every act of self-care is a step toward being it till you see it, babe. All right, you know what to do. Send this to a friend who needs to hear it. Go, send your wins into the beitpod.com/questions you can send your questions there as well. And then, you know, share this episode with a friend. I already said that. So why don't you share this episode with a friend? Then, you know, go Be It Till You See It. Go, have a good day. Thanks so much. Bye. Lesley Logan 7:19  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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In this recap episode, guest co-host Clare Solly joins Lesley Logan to unpack one of the most uncomfortable topics for women: money. They revisit Tess Waresmith's powerful reminder that money is just a tool, and good people should not be afraid to build wealth if they want to create real impact. From talking openly with friends about finances to knowing exactly where your money is going, this conversation makes financial independence feel less intimidating and far more actionable. If you've been avoiding your numbers, this is your nudge to start. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The importance of good people actively seeking wealth for causes.Overcoming the fear of discussing money openly with your friends. Tracking where your money goes to gain true financial independence. Separating short-term cash savings from long-term market investments. Finding trusted financial help and utilizing free educational resources. Episode References/Links:Poland Contrology Pilates Conference - xxll.co/poland Vintage Friends & Contrology Brussels - xxll.co/brussels Pilates On Tour® London - https://xxll.co/pot OPC Spring Training - https://opc.me/events Wealth With Tess – https://wealthwithtess.com/savvyWealth with Tess Substack - https://wealthwithtess.substack.com/Ep 352: Tess Waresmith - https://beitpod.com/tesswaresmithClare Solly Website - https://www.claresolly.com/Ep 19: Clare Solly - https://beitpod.com/ep19Rocket Money - https://www.rocketmoney.comAcorns - https://www.acorns.comSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:43  All right. Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host, Clare Solly, is joining us today to dig into the money-savvy convo I have with Tess Waresmith in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you missed out. You missed the fuck out. I'm just gonna say it right now. She's amazing. We had her back. We're having Clare back. Clare, just in case people don't remember you being part of the recaps, like, a year and a half ago, and from your amazing episode. Who are you? What do you rock at?Clare Solly 1:10  I am Clare Solly, I feel like I rock at being me right now.Lesley Logan 1:14  That's the best answer no one ever gives that.Clare Solly 1:16  You know, I feel it's funny. I feel like I'm like, I have nothing super exciting, like, like, publicly going on, but I've got a lot of, like, internal stuff happening. I rock, just being a general cheerleader for anybody I come across and feeling free to talk about money widely. So I'm actually, like, this podcast, or this, this episode really got me excited. So I'm excited to be here and talk about it. And I'm, bonus, I'm here in Vegas with you recording in like, I'm across the desk from you.Lesley Logan 1:43  I know it's really fun. That's why she's got Brad's lovely, masculine background. That's true. So, you guys, Clare is here, you're visiting, and we have these recaps to do, because I was in Sacramento on Tuesday, and I was like, hey, I have to do a little bit of work. Do you want to work with me? And that is the, like, just the testament to her, and also, like, my amazing skills, (inaudible) to work alongside me, but.Clare Solly 2:07  It was a total arm twist. I'm like, not gonna lie. I was like, walking in through the door. Like, can I see the studio? Lesley Logan 2:13  Well, but also, like, but the divine timing of these two episodes that we're recording together, this one and next week. Because, like, there are topics I think that you'd actually really be interested in, not that Brad wouldn't be interested in the money one, he absolutely wants, he loves Tess, but also the skincare one. Clare Solly 2:27  I mean, two more perfect episodes for me. There were not so. Lesley Logan 2:31  Yeah, I agree. Well, today, you guys, is March 5th, 2026, and it's Name Tag Day. So on the first Thursday in March, which is on March 5th this year, duh. You guessed it, wearing name tags. On this day people become more human and pay more attention to the people who pass by them or who they pass by every day, with over 7 billion people in the world, it can be easy to feel alone and small. Name Tag Day allows everyone to be in the spotlight a little. On Name Tag Day, you're not a nameless Joe passing by in the neighborhood. Instead, when you pass by, everyone knows your name and connects with you, which is the whole aim of Name Tag Day. So Clare, are you gonna wear a name tag today? Clare Solly 3:07  I love this. I actually, absolutely will. I feel like I'm horrible at names. I feel like that's my like, negative superpower. I try really hard to remember people's names. And I mean, in our society, you like, tell people your name once when you introduce yourself to them, and then you don't know it again. I've called people by the wrong name so many times. But the tricky thing is, like, where do you wear your name tag? Lesley Logan 3:27  Oh, I love where do you wear it? Clare Solly 3:29  I like to wear mine, like, down on my hip. I mean, I'm like, a giant so my hip is, like, everyone's eyeline, but I feel like it messes up, like, unless you have, like, a really cute one, like the Hello, my name is, sticker, like, messes up. Like, your your top hat, it gets in your hair.Lesley Logan 3:43  So many top, oh, my hair is all over. It just peels it right off. And then also, like, depending on the material of your top, ladies, I mean, so I kind of wish that like this, maybe I should have a name tag that's magnet, and I can just put it any like, you know what I mean, so it's one I can use every year. But I am someone who is like, oh, I'm gonna put it down my hip. But then when you, if you're sitting for the meeting, you know, like that's a problem. So I ended up putting it on my bag as if that's helpful. And it's not because it's now that I think about it. So I probably am the reason why this name tag digs is because I'm really good at remembering faces of people. I can remember like when we worked together on retail. I can remember what people bought, I can remember when we saw them last. I remember who they bought the gift for, and I cannot remember their name, like, it takes a few times. And so I I'm very aware of this. And people like, it's a choice. And I'm like, I don't think you understand that like, the fact that I can remember everything you said to me, like, I'll say people, I'm like, oh, I remember you, but I don't remember your name. And they're like, oh, it's this one. Like, we met two years ago at this thing. I'm like, oh, that's right, it was in DC, you had so and so with you, and they look at me like I'm a crazy person, because I can remember the details of the event, but not your name. So maybe this is my day. Clare Solly 4:47  Maybe it's your day. Lesley Logan 4:48  Yeah, so it's not too late, if you're listening to this in the evening, go put your name tag on before you go to the bar. Why not, you know? Clare Solly 4:52  Why not. Lesley Logan 4:53  All right, so you guys, we are days away from going to Poland, so we'll be in Poland for a few days. I guess it's like the 20, 20th of the 22nd so you should come with Karen Frischmann, and I don't know when I'm coming back, as I was talking to my friend Clare, like I'm really aiming to travel, like I combine the travels and it might be like 2028 so xxll.co/poland that I'm gonna go to, technically, I'll be in Bruges, but we've been saying Brussels. So, you know, same country, just a difference, but it's at Els Studio. Pilatels we with Karen Frischmann, Els and my friend Ignacio. We all study with Jay Grimes together. That one's almost sold out. It's xxll.co/brussels but yes, we'll be in Bruges, and then after a second honeymoon in France, Brad and I will be at POT London. That is almost sold out, and at the time that this episode is dropping, you can still get the 10% off that ends like literally next week. So xxll.co/pot, at the time we're recording, I have a few spots left in my Sunday workshop, and just because London is different than Poland, doesn't mean that I'll get there any sooner. So you're gonna want to go. And then when we come back, we have spring training. So if you are Pi-curious, Pilates curious, or you're advanced practitioner who's just struggling with some exercises, you're going to want to be in that week long training. You want to go to opc.me/events is where you want to go, because that is where we are having a lot of fun. And if you're on the events list and you get you'll never miss the early bird. You'll miss you'll get all the bonuses. So go there. Lesley Logan 6:18  Okay, before we get into this recap, Clare, you're taking over the questions the next two weeks. So what do you want to ask me?Clare Solly 6:24  I am. So, you know, I noticed that we're at 650 episodes like, wow, how did that happen? That's not the question, sorry. And that was too easy. But since this is the Be It Pod, what is your next big Be It item, Lesley? Lesley Logan 6:40  Oh my God, there's a few I can't tell you guys just yet, or kind of like they're not public yet. But what I'll tell you that is public, and you'll actually experience on the show, I am being it till I see it as a solo podcast. Clare Solly 6:52  Oh. Lesley Logan 6:53  So don't worry, the interviews are not going away. I just want to reduce how many we have. We did a habit series, which was a longer series, and it was combined with guest episode. And then I did a week about burnout, and then a week about self-love. The self love one was the week of Valentine's Day. I think that's appropriate. And so I want your topics that you want me to nerd out about. You guys, you can go to beitpod.com/questions, and just so topics for Lesley to talk about. And so basically, like, I want to take a topic and then do two episodes on it, so Tuesday, Thursday. So we're not going to change your cadence of when your episodes come, but I feel like you couldn't have, like, I would have been too stressed out to do a solo episode ever when we first started the pod, and now that we're 600 something episodes in, and I do all these FYFs, I'm like, I think I'm ready to, like, take on maybe one one week or two weeks a month, of just like, owning the podcast myself and giving you the information from my perspective and and hopefully holding space for topics you want to know about. And that's a little scary for me, because I won't be able to let someone else's light shine and then, like, bounce off of them. I have to, like, shine it myself. Clare Solly 7:59  I just kind of want to reiterate what you're saying, because I think it's really, really important for all your listeners, especially this is the Be It Pod, and it's something you and I have talked about incessantly in our lives. So you've done 650 episodes, five, I want to say it's like been five and a half years, almost six years, that you've been doing this, and you're just now ready to start out on your own. So everybody who's listening. You don't have to take that long, but you also can take that long. And then just want to reiterate, too. If you have a question, text us at 1-310-905-5534, or submit it at beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 8:36  That's what, I want your topics. I want your questions, I want your wins. They all go in the same place. I know that's weird, because it's just questions. But like, maybe the questions will inspire a podcast series. But I just, I know, I think I was probably ready sooner than before. But like, it's a big deal to change the how you run your show. Like, it means I have to, like, tell everyone on the team what I want to do, and then they have to, like, adjust everything. And like, you know, it used to be a little like tugboat that I was doing this business, and now it's kind of more like a yacht, and I have to, like, it's harder to turn a yacht around. Clare Solly 9:04  It's harder to turn a yacht around. Lesley Logan 9:06  It's not a cruise ship. We're not that big yet, but it is a you have to be a little bit more cautious about how you turn. There's little tug boats out there. All right.Clare Solly 9:18  Well, should we talk about Tess Waresmith now? Lesley Logan 9:20  I think we should. Tess is an accredited financial counselor, trademark, and the founder of Wealth with Tess, a platform dedicated to financial education for women, she teaches an approachable investing and money fundamentals that support independence and long term security. Tess's work centers on helping women build enough financial stability, to have options later in life, including the ability to step back from work and retire with confidence.Lesley Logan 9:49  I really am so glad she's in my life. I we've had her on the pod before, and I was just like obsessed with her. I've done her course actually, and I just think that like, we need more women like her talking about money, because she does it in such an honest way. And she's vocal about what's going on in our world and how it's affecting, like, your money, not rich people's money. And we've been, like, kind of conditioned. I think that, like, rich people know what to do when they get money. And so she said on the pod that I really love she's like, money is a tool. It's not either good or bad or evil, it's just a tool. And she really made the argument that, like, good people should actively seek to acquire more money because they make a bigger impact and donate to causes that you care about. I couldn't agree more, because, like, look, there's a lot going on, and we're like, what's my $20 going to do? But you know, if you have money that you are able to, like, have extra of, you're more likely to give it to local causes that inspire you based on your own life experiences. Maybe you donate to a local cause, like, we donate to the SPCA because I want to adopt all the rescue dogs, and I cannot, and they're here, and my money goes farther with them here. You know, there's people right now who are needing, like, rent help or health care support, and like, if you have an extra $100 you can give it to people and so I think we should, those of us who have a heart actually should be the ones with the money. Clare Solly 11:06  I agree. I agree. And I think to, sort of to, like, piggyback onto that thought, too, giving money, you have to decide if you want to see it in action or not. Like you you give locally because you want to see it in action. But some people want their money to go farther, and they don't need to see it in action. So figure out what you care about. I love that.Lesley Logan 11:23  What a great point, Clare, because I do think that sometimes we go, oh my god, what are people going to think that I'm not giving to like the environment or like the home, like, there I had someone on early in the podcast who talked about, like, if you can take what you care about and you can give to that, whether it's time or money, you will see change. And if someone else cares about something different, and they focus on that, I think we, as especially as women, feel this pressure that we have to, like, care about all the cares. And, and you should have some empathy for all the cares, but also you'll you're you'll exhaust yourself and your mind, and then you'll be too busy to actually like, go and acquire the wealth that gives you the independence and freedom to choose how you spend your money and who gets that money. And I do think that, like, we'd be in a different place right now if more people had some independence be due to finances. I think some people don't leave terrible jobs because of money, and that means bosses can be abusive and they can't, you know, there's just different things that if we if the. Clare Solly 12:21  I was one of them. Lesley Logan 12:22  Yes, oh my gosh, yes. I know. So, like, I don't know. I just, I really, but I think we need to continue to remind ourselves that money is a tool. Clare Solly 12:31  Yeah, well, in my podcast with you, way, way, way back when, I'm sure your team will put it in the show notes, I want to say it's episode 19, single, double digits, baby. I was early on, but I was the woowoo side of this. Like money is energy, and it is a measure on the energy you as a human put into something that your company gives back to you so you can use, you know, because we're not in the days of of goats trading, you know, the goat that you farm for the milk that I need. So go back and listen to that podcast, everybody. That's your homework. But one thing I loved, and actually, I kind of want to, I have two things. I'm gonna I'm gonna take it. I love that she said, we're afraid as women, especially, to talk with our friends about money, and I think we need to like because we are afraid of money, because we've been trained to be afraid of money and not spending it or spending it when we have it, and then, you know, so we as women kind of are trained to go between feast and famine, because we don't talk about what people have. And bonus, we're all so used to the Instagram version of everybody, so like, I, you know, I'm jealous of like and like, you're one of my best friends. And I tell you, I'm like, I'm jealous of your lifestyle, and you're like, girl, you were seeing the tip of the iceberg. And but like, well, and then we'll talk about things, and we'll talk about a minute, and it's sometimes not directly bank account related, but we'll talk about things like you just mentioned you found this great person you've been wanting, and you, you know, you bargain chopped for it because you wanted this purse and. Lesley Logan 14:04  Yeah. I wanted this purse. It's not cheap. And I was like, well, I don't want to spend that much, but I want to, I want to buy it. So I'm just gonna wait and be patient. And I think, like, I do think I had, I have had friends who are like, because they care. They're like, well, how much was it? I'm like, I'll tell you, because if you want this bag, you should know, don't pay more than I paid. You can get it.Clare Solly 14:23  Yeah, yeah. And it's all like, what we value versus how much we have and, and I think one thing too, that she said was, like, don't overspend what you make. And I think that, you know, I think there's a little bit of gappage in there, but if you're really trying to control yourself, like, yeah, make sure that you can, you can pay close to what your credit cards are. Lesley Logan 14:42  Well and there's so many tools now, like, there's and I think that are different than what we had when we were growing up, which was just like a piece of paper and a budget, you know, like a checkbook. Do you remember, doing the checkbook and doing the math. And I think that, like, you know, it's true, especially because in our lifetimes, our moms finally had permission to get their own bank account, their own loans, you know, and their own credit cards. I'm like, that's crazy, that in our lifetimes. So it's, it's, it's clear that the education about that. But I, if people ask me, you know, about different things, like, I'm very honest, like, you know, we got, you didn't know I had a new car, and it's a car that I've wanted for over 10 years. And I literally said, you know, like, this is a write off.Clare Solly 15:22  And I totally thought you borrowed a car from a friend. When you picked me at the airport, I was like, how did you borrow your dream car from a friend? That's amazing.Lesley Logan 15:29  Yeah, well, I mean, like, because I don't, like, I don't put a ton of of the stuff on the internet, because people will make up a different story about it. And, like, I but I am really honest with in our coaching business, we'll tell people like, this is why you should set your business up this way, because these things are write offs, and you'll get these kinds of things. And, like, the reality is the rich got richer because they know how the loopholes are right. And like, am I a fan of, like, a flat tax for everybody so there's no write offs, but yeah, because I think the world of Pilates is a better place, and there will still be someone who finds a loophole for it. But like, I actually do want my tax dollars to work for the people that do have less. Like, I actually want to be like, yeah, this my tax money goes to the health care and the housing and the education of the people coming because, like, like, it's this funny joke that I'm very much stuck on. But like, I don't, I don't have children, so who is going to take care of me when I am older, right? Like. Clare Solly 16:17  You now is going to take care of you when you're older, right? Lesley Logan 16:19  Yeah, right. So like, you know, I need to have money for that. And I also want people who are not me to be educated in a way that they could support me when I'm in need. I don't want someone who, you know what I mean. So I think, like, I wish more people thought like that. I do think that anyone listening to this podcast does care about how others are, and so, you know, yes, it's voting, and yes, it's all these different things. But also, until the government actually works for the people, we women are more likely to spend our money in our communities and support other people. And so we need to understand how the game is played and use it. And maybe it means, like, figuring out, you know, maybe it's using, like, something like a Rocket Money to figure out where your money is going. I don't know. They don't sponsor the show, but if someone knows them, I'll take a commercial ad from them, I'll take that money and I'll give it to the SPCA. But like, I think if you don't know where your money is going yet, that's the first place to start, you know.Clare Solly 17:14  Yeah and to, like, to start the conversation. This kind of goes into my second point, or my second you know, love it Be It item from this. I think, like, one of the conversation starters that you can have with your friends, it's easier than, hey, Lesley, how much do you make annually? Because, like, that's also a touchy subject, and sometimes we don't want to share that, but maybe start talking about the economy and the stock market being different things, and talk to your friends about, like, what they're interested in and if they invest, and how they invest, because she mentioned a whole bunch of things, 401(K), Roth IRA, a regular IRAM. She also said the thing about investing for her, her niece, you can do that for yourself. You can throw $100 in a Rocket Money account, an Acorns account, just a regular savings account, a CD like start talking to your friends about how they make their money work for them. And if they're not, like, find a buddy. And like, start going down and share things. Like Lesley and I, we shuttle things back and forth to each other all the time about, like, business and how to invest and things like that. And like, it's not mind blowing, earth shattering, and sometimes it's a reiteration, but we do talk about money, and I'm so glad I have you to be able to talk about money openly. It's so great.Lesley Logan 18:29  Well, I agree same. I mean, like, the thing is, you who told me, because, like, I work for Equinox, and they told me, in my benefits package, there's a 401(K), right? And there's a program, and they did, like, some sort of matching up to some amount of money. And my male trainer was like, Do you are you doing the 401(K)? And I was like, Oh no, I don't really know what to do. And he's like, you just say you want it, like, and they'll just take the money out. And like, I didn't know. No female around me had told me to do it. And I'm not saying that they're at fault. Like, I could have done the research. But like, sometimes we all have so much going on, and so like, making sure that our friends know these things, or at least your colleagues, like, hey, yeah, did you hear that they're doing a match on the 401? K, I upped my like, announce that. Because everyone wins, by the way, everyone wins whenever, when you're, when, when that happens. And retirement does affect us all. Like, it's just going to if you're, if your family members don't, aren't set up for retirement, it's going to negatively affect you in some way. Either they're gonna need more from you, or they're gonna be working forever and you're gonna have less time with them. So I think that's important. So that happened, and then, because I have friends and clients like my business of just teaching people who obviously people have private session Pilates, they have a little bit more money, I let them talk about what they were doing when they were talking about investing, or they're talking about their stocks are down, I would go tell me like, tell me more how that works. Like, I just got curious, and I learned from them. I learned how one of my friends borrowed money from her parents, and she did it the right way so that she'd like pay a loan back, and then she was able to use that in her taxes to write some stuff off. Like, you, people will share with you, but sometimes we're not asking the questions. We just hear them talk about, oh, I'm, I'm, I'm buying this house, or, like, I got, like, I had a friend who was like, Oh yeah, I'm doing, I'm doing a remodel. And I was like, oh, that must be, like, I didn't, like, how long did you save up money for that? Right? She's like, Oh, I did this HELOC. And I was like, Oh, my God, what's a HELOC, right? I don't know these things. I'm a first time homeowner. I don't know anything. What I know is everything fucking is on, on us to fix. But guess what? It's not because we had the AC go down and because our neighbors mentioned something they had, we had checked the right box when it came to our homeowner's insurance. When our AC broke, that motor's $3,000 and Brad was able to do X, Y and Z with the homeowner insurance. And guess what? It's and so we would have been out $3,000 that we didn't need to be. And I think this is where, like talking with your friends, talking with your neighbors, asking what they're doing, if they don't want to tell you, you'll find out. Their body language will shift. They'll get really weird, and then you'll know interesting they don't want to talk about that. I don't have to have a judgment towards it, but I'll find someone else. Yeah, no, I agree. Women, let's talk about money more. Clare Solly 20:58  Let's talk about money more. Okay, all right, so let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo in preparing or weathering volatility, stock market crashes and building substantial wealth? She advised, money invested in the stock market should be funds you do not need for the next three to five years. It's your fund money, guys. Organize finances by their intended timeline and purpose. Clearly separate short term needs, cash savings from long term goals and keep more money in cash, such as high yield savings account during the uncertain times. This serves two purposes. It provides a safety net to cover expenses without being forced to sell investments, and it prevents emotional and panic-driven decisions. I mean, I have, like, a rule of thumb, because I live in New York City, I have two months of rent saved up, because you never know what's gonna happen.Lesley Logan 21:52  No, I think that that's wise. And thanks for sharing what you're doing. I think, like, you know, Tess was honestly on the pod. She's like, yeah, I'm having, I have, I actually have more cash on hand now. Yeah, it's a little more uncertain right now. And when we were recording this, we're like, it'll be interesting to see when this comes out. Like, what's going on. And I, I asked her, like, I DM-ed her, I said, Hey, your episodes coming out in March. Like, is there anything you want to add? And she's like, I really stand by. Like, the things that I said, and, and, and she and so one of the things that she said in the Be It Action Items is just like, no one cares about your money more than you do. Clare Solly 22:20  No one cares. Lesley Logan 22:21  No one cares about your money more than you do. So if you care about your money, she actually said to go, like, go, I want you to go with the show notes. She has a free guide, and it's been 20 minutes reading it. It takes 20 minutes, and just pick one next action step. Like, honestly, I think we overwhelm ourselves by all the different things that there is to do, the CDs, the 401(K)s. But like, if you start with like, one thing. And for those of you who are employed, like, is there a 401(K)? Are you maxing out it? I know that they've made changes to, like, how much you can max out. So are you maxing out to the new changes? You know, I believe everyone should just have an accountant, because these tax laws are so freaking ridiculous, and your accountant needs to know what your goals are. So you might need to sit down. Maybe your next action step is like, what are my money goals? Like, you know, I'm 43 so my goals now are different than my goals when I was 33 right? So what does that look like? Are they understanding? You know, Brad and I've been very vocal, like, we talked to our accountants all the time. When we bought went to buy our car. We were very specific about, like, Okay, if we buy it this week versus the next week, because it's at the end of the year versus the beginning of the year. Like, what are the risks and losses and pros and cons, and I think that that's important stuff. So obviously, we work for ourselves versus being employed. And, you know what? With chatGPT, you could literally ask it, hey, this is who I am, this is how much I make. This is what's going on. Like, what do you think? Like, I mean, obviously I would, I would research anything it says. But like, there's tools right now to take action so you can be educated one step at a time, you know?Clare Solly 23:40  Yeah, and to kind of piggyback on that. You guys didn't talk about this, but one thing that came to mind when you were talking is, if your gut is saying one thing, and your accountant or your investment person is telling you another, go get a second opinion. Just like a doctor, it's okay to get a second opinion. If you're not feeling like something might be off, like, in it, you don't have to invest with somebody to go do that. Just go, like, call somebody up and say, Hey, I got this advice. They may or may not be like, be able to help you. And so you try to, have to try a second, second opinion, but.Lesley Logan 24:09  You might, and also you should, because if they're like, if your gut is going, hmm, they seem a little shady, then move on. Like, listen to your gut with that. And in fact, Tess's first episode with us really talks about, like, finding those wealth people, or how to do it yourself. So it just depends on, like, you know, what your capabilities are. I will say, like, Brad and I do have someone that we trust helping us, because maybe it'll be different now that we're like, have help with the ADHD, but it just felt like a little bit more than we could take on in this particular moment. But they're very clear, very communicative. We checked with, you know, Tess's fees and all that stuff, so we're making sure that we're making sure that we're not getting screwed over like but so there's just different help out there. And you can also go to Tess as a certain a Substack that is free. Clare Solly 24:49  Really? Lesley Logan 24:50  Yes, it's free. Clare Solly 24:51  Oh I'm signing up. Lesley Logan 24:52  I know I know. Me too, because I like her honesty about everything. I like her attitude. I like she her, you guys, when she teaches you how to actually manage your own accounts, you can literally just do it like I'm just, I have just have a problem with, like, starting new things sometimes, and this is one of them. Obviously, therapy will help, but, and next year could be different, but where I am today, but you can do it like it's, I will. I watched it, I was like, I can do this right now. And I actually opened up my own high yield savings account without Brad did myself. Like, I'm so excited, because that money is what's taking us on our second honeymoon, his and mine. Like, we that was the goal of this particular account that we opened. But she's such good information. You're gonna go to wealthwithtess.substack.com and you can grab it for free. So I (inaudible).Clare Solly 25:36  And Tess is gonna be super proud of you. Like, that's amazing. Lesley Logan 25:39  I know. Clare Solly 25:40  Like, I mean, because we should, again, back to what we first said. We should be in control of our money, because nobody else cares.Lesley Logan 25:46  Yeah, I mean, that's very true. And so anyways, if we can live with anything, it's go take one piece of action on educating yourself about your money that Tess has for you. It's all free out there. And then there's ways to invest if you want to know more. I'm Lesley Logan. Clare Solly 25:58  And I'm Clare Solly. Lesley Logan 26:00  Thanks for joining us today. I hope you had fun with Claire and I if you miss Brad, he'll be back in a couple weeks. Don't worry, he's not going anywhere. But we are so grateful for you, and I can't think of a better episode to share with a friend than our money episodes with Tess and Clare. So you can listen to the woo one. You can listen to the legit one. You can listen to this update. Not that yours is not legit, but I guess how should I say it. You can listen to the dry one. What is it? What's the opposite of woo, like. Clare Solly 26:26  Grounded in fact. I don't know.Lesley Logan 26:29  Grounded. I don't know. It's not I, I think that like everything in moderation, including moderation, yeah. So well listen to both of them, and then go take some action steps that work for you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Clare Solly 26:39  Go do your homework. Lesley Logan 26:40  Do it. Lesley Logan 26:42  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Money feels volatile. The headlines feel dramatic. And for many women, investing still feels intimidating. In this powerful conversation, accredited financial counselor and investor Tess Waresmith returns to cut through the noise. She unpacks the truth about market crashes, why the economy and the stock market are not the same thing, and the simple compound interest math that can turn a small monthly contribution into a million-dollar legacy. This episode offers grounded perspective and practical next steps to help you move from fear to financial clarity. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The importance of financial independence for women.How to prepare your finances for an inevitable market crash.The "bucket strategy" for organizing short-term vs. long-term funds.Comparing the 2000 dot-com bubble to today's AI trends.Why learning to invest takes weeks, not a finance degree.Episode References/Links:Wealth With Tess – https://wealthwithtess.com/savvyFree Financial Independence Mini-Course - https://www.moneyconfidentclub.com/3daysfiTess Waresmith Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/wealthwithtess1929: Inside the Greatest Crash in Wall Street History by Andrew Ross Sorkin - https://a.co/d/0h4yDFDvGuest Bio:Tess is an Accredited Financial Counselor® and the founder of Wealth with Tess, a financial education platform and community, that helps millennial women build wealth using simple investing strategies. Her mission is to help women gain agency over their money so they can retire comfortably and have options to live life on their terms. After losing thousands by working with the wrong financial advisor in her early 20s (a fiduciary by the way), Tess rewrote her financial story. She immersed herself in the world of personal finance and wealth building, and by 35, she went from a net worth of $0 to $1 million, all as a single woman. Today, Tess is a sought-after financial expert, featured by Forbes, CNBC and Business Insider. Her free investing workshops have drawn thousands of attendees, and hundreds of women have transformed their financial futures through her straightforward and supportive learning programs. Her approachable, no-jargon investing tips inspire a growing community on Instagram at @wealthwithtess. Whether you're short on time or new to investing, Tess is proof that you don't need Wall Street-level expertise to build wealth, you just need to decide it matters and get some judgement free education. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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It is just a tool. Are there billionaires that are assholes, of course, but that doesn't mean that money is a bad thing. We should all be working to acquire it, because if we have more flexibility, independence and freedom, we're going to be better for the people around us. We're going to make a better impact.Lesley Logan 0:17  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:56  All right, Be It babe, we are gonna talk about the financial times. Don't turn this away. I know you wanna go, la, la, la, la, la, when we talk about money, and I think I said that the last time we had the amazing Tess Waresmith on. But I really want, I want you to know that like after talking with her and hearing her voice and hearing her perspective on all the uncertainty when it comes to money, when it comes to the stock market, when it comes to the economy, she always helps me put it all in the most amazing perspective. And I want that for you as well. And I also want you to have all the things that you want to have. And if you're like, oh Les, I'm good, we also talk about that too. We also talk about what like if you are good, why it's so important for you to have this information and to know what to do with it. So, here's Tess Waresmith. Lesley Logan 1:42  All right, Be It babe, I am thrilled to have this guest back, because, to be honest, I just love hearing her speak. I actually there's very few people online that I am like absolutely 100% have to watch everything they post, because I learned so much. I learned so much from her, and I wanted to have her back so we can learn some more, because the financial investment is always uncertain, but it feels more uncertain now than it ever did before. So Tess Waresmith, welcome back. Will you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?Tess Waresmith 2:08  Thank you. Thank you for having me back. I am an accredited financial counselor, an investor, and I would say more colloquially, I am an advocate for women and people having more money so that they can do what they want, when they want, with who they want, and eventually retire comfortably and have the flexibility, yeah, to do whatever you want with your life. That is my goal. Lesley Logan 2:28  Yeah. Well, I mean, I think we're on the same path in different ways. Like, I don't know money the way you know money, but I'm like, I want women to have, like, I want them to be a priority in their life, so that they have a body that will take them everywhere they want to go. Because, you know, so I and for a lot that may require is like having financial independence and abilities to do things that can care for themselves, they advocate for themselves. And so money does, people can hate it or love it, but it does make the world go round. It is this energy that we need to understand. So, you know, we've had you on the pod before, so you guys, we'll definitely link in the show notes, and you will learn so much. But you know, as we record this, I'll say what when we're recording this, because I think it's helpful. We just got out of the longest shutdown, the crazy times we're recording November, so it's probably come out in 2026 in the beginning. But like, people are scared. I think people are freaking out. Like I coach businesses all the time, and where my predictions are is that the group fitness aspect of things is being affected, because that's the amount of those are the people whose paychecks are being affected, those people whose the cost of groceries going up, it affects their luxury spending, which I don't think fitness should be luxury, but their luxury spending on fitness is changing. And so I'm seeing these changes. Can we talk like, where do you want to start, Tess? Should we talk with, like, what is like is always uncertain, and it just and we're like, we're making it up that it's more uncertain today?Tess Waresmith 3:50  It's a great question. I mean, I want to, like, double tap on one thing you said, where before we even, like, get into this conversation. If, when Lesley said, if money is, like, good or bad? Like, money is a tool. It's not either. And so if you are somebody that's like, oh, I hear this a lot from women, they're like, oh, I don't need to make that much money or, like, I don't want to have too much because it's bad, or I feel greedy. If you're that person, we probably need you to have more money so that you can make a bigger impact, donate to causes you care about. You're probably a good person, if you're thinking about it that way. So I need you to just park that and rewrite a new story that's money is not good, bad, evil. It is just a tool. Are there billionaires that are assholes, of course, but that doesn't mean that money is a bad thing. We should all be working to acquire it, because if we have more flexibility, independence and freedom, we're going to be better for the people around us. We're going to make a better impact. If you're an asshole, you're going to be with money or without. So I just want to, like, start there, because I think, I think that is such a useful excuse to be like, I'm not going to focus on my money. I like, don't need more and just like, the reality is, like, if you're saying that I probably need you to have more. Yeah, know what I mean, because.Tess Waresmith 5:04  You're gonna do better things with it, like, I couldn't agree more. Like, I was listening to a business guy, a coach doing not a business coach. He's like, an actual, like, life coach type of thing. And he was finding how people are like, oh, I'm good. Like, I don't, I don't want to. I feel like if me wanting more is bad when other people have so little. And he's like, right, but you playing small is never going to give them anything. Right? So, like that to your point, like, if you're the, if you're the woman, listen, is going, like, I'm really good. Like, I don't need more. We need you to have more, because you will give it to the right people. You will spend it at the right businesses. You're not the ass hole. So, we need that. Yeah, I agree.Tess Waresmith 5:41  Yeah, yeah. So I've been thinking about that a lot more and more, especially as we roll into this economy where we have so much information and so much access and visual representations of under resourced people, and we're seeing that all the time. So it's easy to feel like, you know, well, I'm doing better than this person, and this isn't something I should focus on. The other thing that people don't realize is, if you learn more of the basics, you get to impact the people around you, and not all of them are doing well, either, like I have some really close friends that I've grown up with that are in much better financial positions, that came from nothing, that grew up in really bad homes and with no money, parents in jail. They're doing better because I am a money nerd, and I force them to talk about this stuff, and so, like, I think that it's just important to remember that this is like a fundamental unfortunately in this country, are the rights to like, food and housing is not guaranteed. We need money for those things. So if you have more than you need, great, give it to somebody that doesn't. So yeah, I could go on and on about that.Lesley Logan 6:44  Yeah, yeah. I know it's like, I think, like, it's really interesting, right? I just saw someone post because, again, we're recordimg in November. Somebody posted like, should you be doing, like, Black Friday, Cyber Monday sales? And as a Pilates business coach, I tell Pilates studios all the time, don't fucking do it. You have a service-based business. You don't have the margins to do the discounts that stores have, so you can't copy what stores are doing, and the big stores put those margins in. So guess what? When it's 40% off, it's because when it was full price, you're paying more than they needed you to pay. They have, it's built in, right? As a small business owner, do I do it? Yes. Why? Because I have a product that I can do it on, I have digital products I can do it on, and I'm only doing it this one time a year. While y'all want to have a discount, that's what people want. So like, I'm like, here's the game. I can acquire new customers with it. I can reward my loyal customers who've been with me a long time with these things. But I don't have to participate in this game. But we are currently, right now, recording in the States, in the United States, where housing and medical care and all these things are not guaranteed. And so you do need to have an awareness of how to make money and how to invest money so you can have those luxuries. So going to who what you're an expert at, and talking about these things like, I think people who have a lack of understanding of how money works and investment works, this is when they start to freak out. You know, like we all know, that as soon as they start to see that these big people are pulling their shares out of this, or pulling their shares of this, all of a sudden people start to freak out and pull their shares, and we become a very predictive death spiral. So what should we know? What should we be paying attention to if we are investing? Should we should we not invest right now? Like, what's the?Tess Waresmith 8:24  Yeah, yeah, all great questions and very real and honest questions. So I appreciate that. So I want to start with the fact that the economy and the stock market are not the same thing. It's easy to feel like they are, because we hear so much about the stock market, it's a super exciting piece of information and news for the media to to constantly bring up. And so a lot of times we see these things like, are we in an AI bubble? Are we going to have a recession? Is the stock market going to collapse? Or the stock market is collapsing when it goes down one day, or crashing or whatever. And so I think it's important to remember that those are two different things. The economy right now. There's a lot of issues in the economy. There's a there's a lot of data. Like, just to, like, nerd out for a second, and I'll make this like, as non jargony as possible. So stay with us. So, so first of all, there's, there's things called leading and lagging indicators in the economy, and leading indicators are typically things that are going to influence what the stock market might do in the future. And then there's lagging indicators that kind of show what the business cycle is doing in the past. And all of this to say is that there's so many factors that influence the stock market, and right now, we're in a place where we are getting bombarded with information that is favorable for the stock market and not favorable for the stock market all at the same time. So let me give you some examples. AI obviously has massive potential. It's driving incredible returns in 2025 so right now, when we're recording this this year, the returns on AI investment in the stock market have been outstanding. And if you are invest, even if you're investing in just something like a US stock market fund that holds a bunch of stocks in the US or some of you might know what the S&P 500 is, which is the top 500 US, largest stocks that are publicly traded if you're investing in the US stock market, you're investing in AI right now, and you've probably benefited from that, whether you know it or not, if you have a 401K or an IRA, let me tell you this, it should be up. Also, if it's not, shoot me a message, please. So that's one piece of the economy. At the same time, consumer sentiment isn't great. Healthcare costs are going up. Things are more expensive. We have not solved our inflation problem. A ton of layoffs are happening. We're adding jobs in some sectors, removing them from others. So it's important to remember that while all of those economic factors are going to influence the stock market, they are not the stock market. They are two different things. So that's the first thing I want to say. The second thing I want to say is that the stock market, I'll be very interested to see what happens when this podcast episode is released, to be honest. Because right now, we are in a place where the stock market has gone up over the last three years, significantly. 2024 '25 phenomenal years. However, we have a very hard time predicting what's going to happen in the stock market and how long the stock market will continue to go up before it eventually comes down. I'm telling you right now, it will for sure come down at some point to a lower place than we are at now. The stock market never goes up indefinitely. And so for those of you that are really nervous about investing, you're hearing, hearing and seeing all this news that we're like, we're in a bubble. There's going to be a stock market crash, doom and gloom, like maybe zombies or solar flares, like whatever dramatic things they can add to this conversation about investing, it's important to remember that the stock market actually goes in cycles. So it goes up pretty regularly, it hits a peak, it contracts, and then it hits a floor. And that cycle happens over and over and over again. And so we all get really surprised when we start focusing on our money and paying attention to investing, or even just start to get a little bit more nervous about retirement if we're in our 40s, and we're approaching that and we're realizing, oh, we should have paid more attention to this. All of a sudden, when we start to see this news, we go, oh my gosh, like the stock market's going to crash. The stock market has crashed a lot over the last 100 years. We see a correction and a correction is when the stock market comes down by roughly 10% the word correction comes from the prices of stocks actually like coming down being corrected. So we see that like every three to four years, it's very, very common. So one of the things that I can tell you and your listeners is that we should not be worried about a crash. We should expect one. It's part of the price of entry. If you want to build wealth, just like if you become a business owner, you learn a lot about yourself. It's a crash course in personal development. You have, like, ugly cry days, and then your best revenue day, like, three months later. And then everything you build crashes like and over and over. You're in this cycle of building, three steps forward, two steps back. That's business, right? Stock market's going to be the same thing. So what I highly suggest is, whenever you see news, if there's any kind of emotional or sensational twinge to it, that is your one, that should be a signal to you that that's probably clickbait. Yes, first of all, the news wants to write stock market crash, because you're going to click on that, because you're going to be like, Oh God, that sounds scary. So what I love to do, as an accredited financial counselor and an investor, and I will share a lot more about this through Instagram and upcoming YouTube videos, is that we need to understand that the stock market goes in cycles, and this is expected, and the more we can learn and understand the history of that, it's going to make us more confident in how we're investing. And so I'll give you an example for any of our listeners that are lived in 2008 right? The 2008 financial crisis. If you don't know, the stock market dropped like 50% it was abysmal, super bad. People lost a lot. But when people say they lost everything, they didn't lose their money in the stock market, if they didn't sell what they were invested in, if they were invested in 2008 when the stock market crashed and they waited five years, their money would have returned to the same amount it was at, and then over the next 10 years, would have ended up growing significantly and tripling in value like crazy. So the point of all this is there's two things we need to understand. The economy and the stock market are not the same thing. It's going to go in cycles. And if we're investing for the long term, we have 10, 20, 30 years to weather these cycles. It's going to happen. The more we can educate ourselves, the more we can stay calm during these moments.Lesley Logan 15:13  Okay, first of all, you just somehow always know how to, like, calm me down and make me, like, not nervous. Like, I feel like the I'm like, okay, great. So I'll just give I'll just find some more money to put in there. But also, like, I feel, I'm not gonna lie, I feel like I've never heard someone explain that the economy and the stock market are not the same thing. Like, I'm sure you've said it to me and I like, but there I'm hearing it for the first time, and it's like, well, that explains why, when the stock market was great and the economy, people were like, people aren't feeling the economy was great, and so people are confusing the two. And also I want to highlight that I do remember 2008 I actually became a very successful Pilates instructor during the time that people were canceling cable because I was selling something people wanted to invest like they wanted to invest in themselves. They wanted to take some time. They wanted they were thinking how they're putting their dollars. And so it doesn't they don't always had to be bad when they do figure itself out, and you are right, if people are in it for the long haul, then you're going to weather this. And I think it's hard, because the only people who talk about money around us are typically uncles and granddads and like other men, and they make it sound negative all the time, and we aren't always educated in what that looks like. And so then it's like, oh, it's really bad. But we have, there's a lot of cycles in life that we get more confident in, don't we remember? Like, we all remember our first time we got our female cycle. That was really scary, that was a lot. Then there was years of figuring it out, and then you become an adult, and sometimes you're still surprised it comes. Tess Waresmith 16:38  Tha't ssuch a good comparison.Lesley Logan 16:38  Like, it's right, yeah, but we have, like, it's this thing, and like, we have to dread it, and then it comes, and then all of a sudden, we got all the good hormones because it came, and then it's like, this great time. And so it's like, we live in cycles all the time, and if we know when to like you, the one difference is that, unfortunately, the stock market isn't on a 20-day day or 32-day cycle, I mean if it's good, but we don't know when it's going to happen. We know it is going to happen. So I love the way that you addressed that you say that it's like, okay, so then what's the attitude we want to have when it comes? How? What are we what? What is? What are some things that we can, like, plan for when that happens, so that we can not listen to the noise and the clickbait and be in fear and instead make proactive decisions? And so I guess my question is to you, like, when the stock market crashes, what is your process?Tess Waresmith 17:27  Yeah, yeah. So a lot of it is about preparation. And again, the first the acknowledgement, like we talked about, that's going to happen, knowing that we can say, okay, what do we want our finances to look like, to weather this storm, and there's some very specific things we can do to get ahead of this. So the first thing I would say is that if you are investing in the stock market, that should be money that you don't need, I'm going to say, depending on your risk tolerance the next three to five years. So now might be a good time, because there is so much uncertainty, politically, socially, financially, economically, like, yeah, it's a crazy time. I mean, it's always kind of a crazy time. I think now with social media, we probably get bombarded with it more than we used to. But I will say that, like that is an important thing to remember. Is, like, one of the things I love to tell people, people ask me what they should do with their money, and I always flip that around, and I want to say, what do you want your money to do for you? So let's say a crash is coming. What we want is to make sure we have enough money in the interim while the market is being crappy. So that means having maybe a little bit more of a buffer in savings, maybe adding to your high yield savings account. In the same breath, the money that you're investing in a retirement account like an IRA or a 401(K), you have to remember you're probably not going to touch that money for another 10, 20, 30 years, depending how old you are listening to this, those accounts don't even let you withdraw until you're 59 and a half without penalty, with the exception of Roth contributions, which are have already been taxed. We can come back to that if you have questions on that. But essentially, for the most part, just to like, simplify this, your retirement accounts are meant to be for retirement. So if you have money invested in those accounts, and we have a stock market crash in 2026 it doesn't actually affect your day to day life at all, because you're not going to be using that money in the next immediate future. And even if, even if you are retiring next year, that sucks. It's, it's a bummer, right? That sucks if that happens, and I really hope it doesn't happen to any of you. But even that said, in your first year of retirement, are you going to drain your entire 401(K) and IRA to live? Probably not. You're going to take a portion of that. And if you are prepared, you already have your next few years expenses. Right in savings. So one of the big misses, and like very simple financial organization, is thinking about your money in buckets. What do you need in the short term? What do you need in the long term? And then there's like a little bit of a middle gray area, like maybe you want to buy a house in five to 10 years. Should you invest that money in, like a flexible investing account, like a regular brokerage account? Maybe. It depends on your risk tolerance. You know that likelihood of the stock market being up after five years is roughly 90% based on historical data, so pretty good odds. Is it guaranteed? No. So I think that that's the way we've got to think about it is like, what's the intention for our money? And I'll tell you right now. Lesley, like I for sure, have more money in cash right now. I have a couple of rental properties. I need to make sure I can cover those expenses. The other reason I have that is I so I don't do any dumb shit and take my money out of my investing accounts, because I don't need it. Because even as somebody that is very well educated on the economy, on the stock market, an accredited financial counselor. These things are always going to still be emotional and psychological. So that's the first thing is, like, make sure you have some savings. The second piece of this is understand how your money is invested in the first place, and so learning the basics of investing and making sure that you are investing in a bunch of different stocks and different geographies is really, really valuable. It's called diversification, aka putting your eggs in different baskets. And you can learn about this in hours, making sure that your money is not just all invested in Nvidia or Meta if you're picking one stock, putting all your money in it, I think that's a terrible investing strategy. You could become really wealthy, or you could lose a lot. That's actually Lesley, how you lose everything is when you put all your eggs in one basket. So the other important thing to remember is when we diversify appropriately and invest in US stocks and international stocks. The whole point of that is to create a portfolio that can weather these dramatic downturns. So I think it's like two things. It's like making sure we have our money in the right places to weather the storm, and then our money is invested, understanding how that's diversified across different stuff, so that when one sector collapses, or if there is an AI bubble, not all your money is in AI, so you have different stuff. And thankfully, there's easy ways to do that.Lesley Logan 22:30  Yeah, I think, I think that these are all good reminders. And I also love that, like, the vulnerability of like, yes, even you an expert, there's emotions, because with social media, there's these crazy titles on things that are meant to get you riled up and freaking out, and then you do something stupid when, if you were sane and rational, you would go, hold on. Wait a minute. What? So we're recording this in November, and I said to Brad (inaudible) at the gym, I said, oh, that Peter Thiel guy, like dropped all of his stock, and Tesla and a bit, and Nvidia what is that? And he and I, and I was like, do you think he's like, trying to fuck with things, like, right (inaudible) he's not getting enough attention. But at any rate, like, Brad goes, oh, well that. I hope people don't read too much into that, because that could really scare some people to do some stupid stuff. And it's like you start to realize, like, oh, like, when you could just get yourself away from the title and get yourself away from some things, you can go start to see as a bigger picture. You take a deep breath and you can do these things. I do. I do think that a lot of people, even you know, just in the way that I coach people in their Pilates business, I see them doing drastic changes because they're they're reacting, as opposed to giving themselves a runway that allows them to take a deep breath and figure out, like, what's the next best thing to do.Tess Waresmith 23:44  Yeah, such a good example that Brad brought up. I saw that exact article, and actually three people messaged me about that, which is so funny that you bring that up. I have another great example of this. And there was an author, Andrew Sorkin, who wrote a book on the dot-com bubble when the internet started, and there were all these internet companies popping up all over the place. And then, of course, there was a stock market crash right after that, because there are all these companies that weren't set up for success in the long term in the era of the internet. And so he was drawing some similarities, and all these news publications said, author of dot-com bubble book says we're in the same situation that we were in in 2000 and that's not really exactly what he said. He said there were some similarities, but I can tell you about some differences. So first of all, in the dot-com bubble, the Internet was new, there weren't companies that were huge and integrated into this new technology in the way we are now, and so some of the biggest investment in AI is Meta, Google, like Microsoft, these companies that are so big and so profitable and so established, even if AI just like stopped being a thing tomorrow, they're not going anywhere. So it's a totally different economic business landscape than it was in 2000. Sure, there are some similarities. There was internet hype. Now there's AI hype. Yeah, you could draw them, but a lot of the AI investment is in these mega companies that are so well-resourced that it's very unlikely that we'll see, like an entire bubble and all these there will, for sure, be AI companies that don't do well, but it's a totally different situation in a lot of ways. So that's a good example of, like, how things can be skewed to scare people.Lesley Logan 25:36  Yeah, and I think I love you brought that up because I remember one of the one of my old business coaches, he had mentioned something was probably, it was a podcast, probably during the pandemic when we were all kind of worried. But it might have been a little after, to be honest. So I'm not going to get the dates correct on this, but he mentioned, you know, people are worried about a recession right now. And let me, let me, it must have been two years into the pandemic, because I'm now thinking, remember, I was driving to Vegas, but he said, let's just look at what the recession was in 2008 and when we knew we're in a recession, and actually how quickly we actually started to get out of it. And so, like, the, it's about the and you can correct me if I'm wrong, Tess, but it's like, you have two quarters in a row where things are declining, and then it's like, okay, the economy is retracting, and this is going on. By the time we were actually going up, it had been like another quarter was a little bit but like, things started to turn around. Now, it took a long time for people to feel that turning around, of course, he said. But the other thing we have to know is today, people's incomes are a bit more diversified as well. Not everyone is working for the same big companies. A lot of people have their own businesses. We have people who have a bit more ability to, Oh, this isn't making any money over here. I can make money over here. Not to say that we are, we all can't be hurt by this. But something that I remind myself of is like I am at the time of of 2008 I was only teaching people private one on one sessions in-person today where I'm at I have in-person stuff. I've got retreat stuff. I've got this online thing over here. Now can things retract? Absolutely, but one of those things might actually be more in demand, and I can lean more over there. And so I do think that we can take some emotions out of it and start to go we are all in a different place than we were, because we've learned from different things, and maybe we have to just start to keep in mind, like, what the people writing the headlines want us to do, which is react and have emotion because they because they have to sell ads so they can stay alive. Tess Waresmith 27:34  Yeah, totally. It's, that is a fantastic point and really important to remember, especially for business owners. And then the other thing I would say is, like controlling what we can control, like you just gave us a great example of what we can control. We can control our businesses. We can create new streams of revenue. You know, I love this quote that's like, there's never a lack of resources, only a lack of resource for people like the amount of like free information on the internet that you can find to help you create stuff, make money. It's out there. The other thing we can control is making sure that during these times we're not going into debt. So just making sure you're not spending more than you make that is a super simple tip to survive any kind of recession or stock market crash. And then the other thing I'll say is to look at it as, and this is harder, because it's counterintuitive, but as a massive opportunity. There are a lot of people that became very wealthy after 2008 because they saw the stock market crash and they went, Well, shit, this whole thing is on sale. I am going to invest as much as I possibly can, and as the market recovered, they saw phenomenal returns over the next five years or so. So that's another reason why this education and conversations like this are so valuable, is because, yes, it happens, yes it sucks, it doesn't feel good, but it's also a massive opportunity, if we understand that this goes in cycles, so just another, another way to frame it that's hopefully a little helpful.Lesley Logan 29:05  Yeah, I know that's like, I mean, that's the thing that I don't think enough people understand, because no one talks about it, right? No one talks about, like, after the Great Depression, who got really, really rich from that, and how they did it. No one talks about how after the dot-com even then there was, like, there was different people do benefit, and we do swing back up. And I think we tend to, maybe it's because of how our brains are wired. We look at, we look for the negative, and then we we live in fear, and then we do things based off fear, as opposed to, like, getting on top of the mountain and having a bigger perspective and understanding, like, what is going on and what, what, you said it the best, what can we control? And we can't control. I we can't we cannot control the stock market, unfortunately. We don't have that power yet, maybe, but we can control, like, how we prepare ourselves. And I think that's really, I think that's really key. So you talked about the different buckets you talked about, so preparing ourselves. As it would be as just to reiterate it, just make sure I heard them all, you know, not spending more than we have, so easy, making sure we have a bit more cash on hand, not just to weather any storms, but also sounds like so we can, like, take part of the garage sale that's gonna happen and then diversifying what we are invested in, so it's not all in one area and things like that. I guess I would also say, like, what would your wish be for every woman listening about their level of educating themselves on investments and money? Like, is this something they have to do weekly, daily? Can they do a crash course? Like, how much should they be thinking about this? Because I'm sure they're also thinking, okay, guys, on top of this, I have to think, you know, because, there is a lot going on. There's there's the worry that they have about the people down the street who aren't making enough. There's the the political stuff that's going on. There's a lot that they have to educate themselves on. Like, how much should they be thinking about this?Tess Waresmith 30:52  Yeah, it's such a great question. I'm gonna say it's less than you think once you get a basic education. So I would say the level of information that you should have about investing and the stock market and retirement accounts is roughly the same as getting your driver's license and learning the rules of the road and how to stop at stoplights, please, hopefully you're doing that, and how to put gas in your car, right? Like, like basics, right? Like, when you learn to drive, at first it was hard. You had to practice a little bit, but then you have it, and it's not going anywhere. That is the level of understanding that you have to have about finances in the stock market. So some things you should know are all the things we talk about, your personal cash flow, how money comes in and out of your life, what accounts you can use to build wealth. There's accounts that help you save on taxes, like 401(K)s and IRAs and ones that are just flexible regular accounts, both are great for different reasons. And then you should also know the basics of how to choose investments inside those accounts. And the type of investments that I think everyone should understand the basics of are not the kind of things that you have to go in and tweak every single week. In fact, the best type of investing is investing in funds that hold hundreds or thousands of stocks so these are usually index funds or index ETFs, exchange traded funds. This is just jargon for investments that hold a bunch of different stocks at once. And if you can learn that, and you can learn how to select ones that represent the market, the average return of the market over time is roughly 10% so even if you invest in the most simple way, and you just buy a fund that holds all the stocks that are publicly traded, you could, based on historical data, get the average return of the market at 10% that is like the minimum. That's what you have to learn. And that takes, like, weeks, not months, years, not a finance PhD. It takes you deciding that this matters and deciding that you want to retire comfortably, you want to have the flexibility to pivot, start a new business, do whatever you want, travel to Bali, Cambodia, whatever, like, that's why this matters. It's investing doesn't matter because of investing. It matters because of all those other awesome things you get to do with your life. So I would say, if you dedicated, like, and don't tell me you don't have enough time because you do like, like, half an hour on a Saturday morning, if you like, pick something and you watch some YouTube videos on it, it could change your life in like two or three months. So that's like, high level. I think people think it's going to be way harder than it actually is to learn the basics. And then once you've set up your system where you have money coming in from your business or job, some of that money might go to debt. Some of it goes to your savings some of it goes to your investing accounts. Guess what? All of that can be automated. You can just have an automatic transfer to your Roth IRA that goes directly into a simple fund that holds a bunch of stocks. You can automatically pay off your debt. You can automatically add a little bit more to your high yield savings accounts. Once you set up that system, the maintenance is negligible. There are accounts that I have not touched in over a year, and they're doing fine. Is there a point, at some point when you build more wealth that you might want to talk to somebody get some strategy for sure, of course, but if you understand the basics of what I just explained, which, again, takes weeks, not months, hours, not years. Once you learn the basics, then what you can do is find the right kind of help that's not going to screw you over with a bunch of hidden fees. You understand how the system works, so you can get help that's effective and not hemorrhaging money from your investing accounts, which is a very common problem I see all the time. So that's what I would say. I would say it's less hard than you think, reading two books and taking a course, setting aside time to watch some YouTube videos like being diligent in that way can honestly change your life so much faster than you think. The hardest part is deciding that this matters and then making a commitment to learn. That's the hardest part, actually, learning, it's not that hard.Lesley Logan 35:03  Oh, I love that so much. Okay, something that you do that I want to highlight real quick before, I mean, we could talk forever, but you are aunt. I'm an aunt. You do something epic for your niece, correct? Tess Waresmith 35:13  Yes. Lesley Logan 35:14  Can we, like, should we? Can we talk a little about, like, setting things up for, like, the shares? Tess Waresmith 35:19  Sure. Yeah, yeah. So one of the great math I'm going to say the best mathematical equation on the planet is compound interest, right? So that's why we're investing, because we invest a little bit, it grows and then we get that same return on that money, and then it just continues to grow and grow, right? That's the snowball effect of investing. That's why we're doing it. So if you start investing when somebody's young, or investing for a kid when they're young, the amount of money it takes to completely change their life is so much smaller than you think. So my niece was born this year, so she's zero. I'm not a parent. That's how you know I'm not a parent. I just said zero. Lesley Logan 36:04  It's all right, you didn't say it. So that's good. But yes, I know it's true. And then they talk in months for a long time, and I'm like, you know, we got to get to a year, and then I would be great. Tess Waresmith 36:14  Yeah. So let's say I already told you the average return of the stock market is 10% if I invest for my niece, little little Frida, not it. Little Frida like 100 bucks a month until she's 18, she will have roughly $54,000 given the average return of the stock market. Nothing like crazy, just the average return of the stock market. So that's pretty good, right? But what we don't remember is what happens after that, like, if she just leaves that account alone. So let's say I contribute $100 until she's 18 into an account. It could be a tax advantaged account. There are education accounts, but let's just say it's like a regular investing account, and I contribute that amount, and she's got $54,000 by the time she's 18. What I'm going to tell little Frida is girl just like, leave it there, make your own money, do whatever you want and leave it there for 30 years. Because if you do that, she's going to have roughly a million dollars in 30 years. And I contributed roughly, I don't know, whatever 100 like, month for. Lesley Logan 37:21  I would just say about $18,000 but maybe a little more, because it's 12, there's 12 months in a year. Tess Waresmith 37:24  Yeah, yeah, not a lot. The whole point is not a lot. Lesley Logan 37:27  Yeah, yeah.Tess Waresmith 37:28  So that's like, that's insane to imagine, right? $100 for 18, $100 a month for 18 years, and then it just sits that $54,000 just sits for 30 years. Lesley Logan 37:39  No added money. Tess Waresmith 37:40  She's, no added money. She's a guaranteed millionaire. I don't even have to support her in retirement. I already did. So so like that is, that is the power of compound interest. And I will say also, I'm glad she brought that up, because if you need a motivator to learn this, and you're a parent or you have nieces, this has to be your motivator. Because even if you're not in a place where you can invest $100 a month for your kid. No shame in that. What is so much more valuable than doing what I just told you is learning the basics for yourself, learning how to put on your own mask first, before assisting others so that you can teach your own little Frida the basics of what I just taught you, because if they learn how to do it, and they're contributing 50 bucks a month, 100 bucks a month, they're also going to be a millionaire in retirement. Tess Waresmith 38:03  Yeah, yeah. Love you so much. Okay, we're going to take a brief break and then find out how people can work with you, because I'm sure that's where they're at. They're like, I don't need a random YouTube person. I need you. Tess Waresmith 38:18  Sounds good. Lesley Logan 38:18  All right, Tess, where do you hang out? Where can they stalk you in the best way? Because you're gonna teach them all the ways and where and do you have courses? Do you have anything that they can work with you on? Tess Waresmith 38:48  Yes, absolutely. So I hang out on Instagram a lot @wealthwithtess is my Instagram handle, so follow me there. I also think if this conversation was helpful, I highly recommend that you grab my free investing guide. It has a ton of information of what we just talked about today, and it's going to help you, step by step, start thinking through this process of how to organize your money and start investing. And there's some great examples in there. So that is free, and that's at wealthwithtess.com/savvy S-A-V-V-Y wealthwithtess.com/savvy there's a free investing guide there. Honestly, I'd start there. That's a great place to get information. And then I'm always offering free workshops and opportunities to learn, and I share those so once you download that, you'll get on my email list. And I share information weekly and try to help you stay calm during the AI bubble madness that we're in. Lesley Logan 39:39  I feel so calm, you're like a cortisol little like control objection. You you know the drill. We have the bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps people can take to Be It Till They See It. What do you have to add to the amazing advice you've already given us?Tess Waresmith 39:53  I might have said this last time, but I'm gonna say it again. No one cares about your money more than you do. They just don't. So if you care about your money. What you're going to do after this is you're going to go into the show notes, download that free guide and spend 20 minutes reading it, and you're then you're going to pick a next step. That's what you got to do. You got to take action. You can't just listen to people talk about money. You got to do something with what you're learning. Lesley Logan 40:13  Yeah, I love that so much, because I do think people like, okay, check, thought about my money, right? And also like, then take an action that goes along with it. You're epic. I love you so much. I can't wait. We'll have to just make this, like, figure out a way to, like, an annual wealth with Tess, tell us how we're doing. Tell us what's up. You guys, what are you going to do with these tips in your life? Wealth with Tess, wants to know. I want to know so and also share this with all your friends. Because I actually do think when the biggest, this is a little tangent side story, but years ago, when I lived in LA those was so many emails were hacked, and what a lot of female actresses learned is they're making very little money compared to their male counterparts. And one of the things that came out of that is, well, women don't talk about how much they make enough. They don't talk about money enough. And I do think that if our friendships could go deeper into those ways. And it's not a flashy thing. It's an actual thing that allows us to educate ourselves of how much we can make in different areas. There would be less of a wealth gap. There would be more information, because we just don't know how much people are making at different places. And so make this be the start of the conversation about money with your friends, so you can have deeper, wealthier relationships. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 41:22  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 42:05  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 42:10  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 42:14  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 42:21  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 42:24  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan challenges the way menopause is often framed, reminding listeners that it was never meant to be a decline. She reflects on how history rewrote the role of powerful women and why that still matters today, with 1.2 billion women entering menopause worldwide. She also celebrates a listener win rooted in community building and shares why creating space in your schedule is essential to staying present and avoiding burnout. This episode is a reminder to advocate for your health and trust the wisdom you already carry.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co .And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Reclaiming menopause as a spiritual rising rather than a decline.How historical narratives were used to silence powerful older women.Why advocating for your health matters during menopause.Creating community and overcoming scheduling conflicts.Creating space supports the person you are becoming.Episode References/Links:Womb Wisdom with Shavita - https://beitpod.com/wombwisdomShe Caused a Riot by Hannah Jewell – https://a.co/d/aznJTHoEp. 637 Burnout Episode Special 1 - https://beitpod.com/ep637Ep. 638 Burnout Episode Special 2 - https://beitpod.com/ep638Ep. 640 Self-Love Episode Special 1 - https://beitpod.com/ep640Ep. 644 Self-Love Episode Special 2 - https://beitpod.com/ep644Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Hello, Be It babe. How are you? Oh my gosh, we're here end of the month. What a way that could be a celebration. You made it. You didn't give up. You're listening to this podcast, which is a win for me, so as a win for you. No seriously, but thank you for being here. Thank you for listening to the Be It Pod all these years. Oh, my goodness. I really hope this, this serves you, it would, and if it does, please tell me in a review that'd be so great. Send your wins in to the beitpod.com/questions also send your questions in that you would like Brad and I to you know, answer for you and support you. It could be anything. Lesley Logan 1:23  So this blew my mind. Made me pissed off and but like, in a fired up way, and I think, like, that's what we need to be. I know we have a few good men who listen to this podcast. Hello. Thank you so much. But, and you are part of this as well. We actually need to take this all back. And so this inspiration came from womb_wisdom_with_shavita, and it's a carousel post, and she was like, menopause wasn't a decline, it was colonized. So before patriarchy, the menopausal woman was the Oracle. She was the healer, she was the memory keeper, the voice of the village, she held the kind of wisdom you cannot buy, silence or control. So they feared her. When the witch hunts began they weren't just killing women, they were erasing the power of menopause itself. A woman who no longer bleeds cannot be controlled. She doesn't fear pregnancy, she doesn't fear judgment, she doesn't bend to the rules of a world she already sees through. She becomes dangerous to the system, so they burned her, they silenced her, they rewrote her story, and in that smoke, they replaced the Oracle with the diagnoses. Menopause became decline, drying up, the end, a medical problem instead of a spiritual rising. And this was no accident. The system knew, if they get to the women, they get to the womb. If they get to the womb, they silence the elders. If they silence the elders, the children will forget. When the children forget, the whole world becomes easy to control, and this is how they shape generations of women to fear aging, fear institution, fear their own power. This is how the world forgot the truth of the Oracle years. But the turning has begun. 1.2 billion women are now entering menopause, 1.2 billion. And the same threshold they try to destroy it. This is a planetary shift, 1.2 billion voices rising. 1.2 billion nervous system waking up, 1.2 billion wombs remembering the system doesn't stand a chance. The only question now is, will we use the voices women were burned for? Or will we stay silent? We already know the answer. So I am really obsessed with this, because I do, look, obviously, as you go through menopause, there's all these different symptoms that happen through your body, and I think it's so important that you educate yourself before as much as you can, and then during, and advocate for yourself, because there are tools that are out there to support you through this. And as we know, as I know from the women who are older than me, who've gone through it like it is beautiful on the other side. So we got to go through this. But also, what are we going through it for? And if it is not to make sure that the people younger than us do not understand, like if it's not to make sure the people younger than us understand how freaking powerful they are, and all the options that are out there, then, you know, what is the point? So there's another book that this post reminds me of. It's called, She Caused A Riot. And I'm so sorry I don't have the author's name on top of my head. She Caused A Riot. So interesting because I was reading the book, and I was, like a lot of women leaders, like, thousands of years ago, what's going on, like in the, you know, all these different times, BC, and it's all these women leaders, and also there's none, none. And it just was like, oh, it's because they changed the history, you know, and so we can take it back, and I think we need to do and so being it until you see it doesn't have to be that you become like some sort of political figure in your world, but it can be that you become, maybe you're the voice in your community that's reminding women of how powerful they are, and reminding the men around us that like the patriarch, isn't good for them either. It's not good for anybody, right? So you know, when people have to fall into a role, it's not good. So anyways, all right, that's your inspiration for that today. Lesley Logan 5:06  Now let's go to your wins that you sent in. This one is from MelissaYNagai. I'm running a mat class. She's she's from Canada. She sells OPC flash cards in Canada. She's also an Agency OPC member. I was running mat class this weekend where my for my teacher trainees to observe, and it filled up in a day, actually over filling as I made a mistake on my schedule, but we will make it work. I decided to run a monthly session for teachers. I'm calling it core connections for Pilates teachers. It's open to six people, and I have four signed up, plus several others are interested. But timing doesn't work. Humongous. First of all, way to create community, Melissa, it's not easy, and when you first start it like the timing never works for people. People say they want things, and then it's like the timing never works. You've quickly find out, like there's no time that it will work, but eventually they make it work because they want to be near what you're creating. So just keep going with that. I'm so stoked for you. And I love when we make a mistake and it overfills and we go, oh, actually, I could do it with six people. I could do with five. Sometimes these mistakes are like these little, happy, magical accidents. So way to go, to put yourself out there. Way to just continue to show up each and every day for you and the people that you believe in the impact you want to make on this world. It's inspiring. And thank you for sharing with us. Lesley Logan 6:19  All right. My win. So my win is, I've had this one before, I'm sharing it again, because I'm constantly, like, proud of what we do. So each and every year I decide, like, okay, I need more time here. I need more space here. I need to be more ahead here. And then I've told you guys, like, sometimes you realize, like, one of the examples is in November of 2024 I got sick, and so then I got behind for November in early 2025 so my illness in November caused a domino effect of things not being done on time in early 2025 and there was a scramble. So then, you know, obviously, my assistant and I went to the drawing board. How can we even get more ahead? So in case something happens, we're not rushing. Of course, in November of 2025, I was still, still getting everything done, just right before we left, and that's okay, like things happen. In fact, what I'm recording right now is a re record, so I would actually have a little bit more time today, but this is a re record, because mercury retrograde. That being said, I got better at noticing how much more time I wanted to have on certain projects so they weren't rushed. And I can sit here today and celebrate that I got to be super present for multiple visitors in February. Multiple. My slingshot bestie, a podcast guest, slash we coached for a really long time. We've had so many people coming through these doors in February, it almost felt like I should take another month off. And because of how far ahead we got ourselves for the beginning of 2026 last year in 2025, I was able to be present. And I just want to say, like, if you are feeling overwhelmed, near burnout. One, take some breaks. You need to and you need to figure out what fills your cup. Listen to the burnout episodes. Listen to our self love episodes, listen to our habit episodes. Two, two, very important. You may have to get behind to get ahead, but I highly recommend that you figure out a way to create more space in your life and not be so to the wire on things, and that is as an ADHD person who loves to procrastinate like lives off it like says, I used to be proud of the papers I would write the night before. Yes, I wrote a 48-page paper the two days before it was due, and I got a B plus. And he said I would have gotten an A had I written it three days before, because I probably would have time to read it. That all being said, at some point you have to give yourself space, just you're not running on that adrenaline all the time. And so my win is that I have, each and every year, created more and more space for the following year for the person I'm going to become. And I'm continuing to look at how I'm doing that this year for next year already, even though it's February. So there's my win. Lesley Logan 9:03  All right, your mantra for the week. Oh, this is a good one. I take care of my body. I take care of my body. I take care of my body. I take care of my body. Of course you do, babe. Let's go take care of that body and have an amazing day. Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 9:21  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 10:03  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 10:08  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 10:12  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 10:19  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 10:23  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell unpack insights from Brad Walsh, founder of the Empowerography Podcast. In this recap, they reflect on the transformative power of boudoir photography and how seeing yourself in a new light can change how you think, feel, and show up. This conversation digs into resilience, authenticity, and why sharing your story might be the very thing that helps someone else keep going. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Boudoir photography helps women see themselves differently.Why resilience is the courage to keep rising.The importance of sharing experiences to inspire others.Why true authenticity requires dropping the mask of perfection.How trusting your path frees you from fear of missing out.Episode References/Links:Agency MINI Waitlist - https://prfit.biz/miniPoland Contrology Pilates Conference - xxll.co/polandVintage Friends & Contrology Brussels - xxll.co/brusselsPilates On Tour® London - https://xxll.co/potOPC Spring Training - How to Get Overhead - https://opc.me/eventsEmpowerography Podcast - https://empowerographypodcast.comEmpowerography Podcast Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/empowerographypodcastBrad Walsh LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradwalsh70Brad Walsh Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/brad.walsh.56Empowerography Live Conference 2026 - https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1D7QAc3hFx If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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And there's not enough words, he said, to encapsulate the power in that as a photographer. Lesley Logan 0:09  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 0:53  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the powerful convo I have with another Brad. Brad Walsh. Brad Crowell 0:55  Another Brad. Lesley Logan 0:55  In our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, then actually listen to this one. You should go back and listen that one. It's pretty good. I liked it. Brad Crowell 1:05  That's a great interview. It was, I'm not gonna lie you, you spoke my thoughts out loud. Lesley Logan 1:10  I did? Brad Crowell 1:11  Yes. Like. Lesley Logan 1:12  Did I say that I have to say Brad's thoughts? Brad Crowell 1:14  No, but two. There's another comment I can't remember. It'll come back to me. But you know when, when I heard you introduce Brad Walsh as someone who is entirely devoted to platforming and empowering women, I was like, a man is doing that? Okay, okay. I was like, I guess, I guess I'm I didn't even know. I was dubious and a little curious and then encouraged and excited at by the end. So, yes, it's great.Lesley Logan 1:45  Turns out you can be really successful if you platform women. Turns out. Brad Crowell 1:50  How about that? Lesley Logan 1:51  Yeah, it turns out there's, there's things like, there's like, good things that happen when you do that.Brad Crowell 1:55  You did mention that you had similar thoughts to him, and I was laughing, because I was like, okay, I'm not alone. Lesley Logan 1:59  Yeah. I'm intrigued. Well, we'll get into that in just a second. But first today is February 26th 2026 and it's Black Lives Matter Day. Black Lives Matter Day is celebrated annually on February 26th in remembrance of Trayvon Martin, an African American teen who was killed by a white American out of hatred. The acquittal of the killer, George Zimmerman, from the murder charge and is roaming free, caused a wave of widespread anger, which led to nationwide campaigns centered around fairness and justice for black people. Black Lives Matter is a chant against systemic racial discrimination which has shaped and increased the risk of violence towards black people. Join in the movement to end discrimination, declare equality for all.Brad Crowell 2:39  Yeah. So one of the things that I wanted to address is we're obviously not black. However, we have heard a lot of people who are not black say, well, what about white people? Or what about other, you know, people as well? Shouldn't we be focusing on them as much as we are focusing on black people? And ultimately, I would say Black Lives Matter does not say other lives don't matter. But what Black Lives Matter is saying is that there is a historical, documented like systematic approach against that has not given the same opportunities in our society, in our in the United States of America, to black people, whereas it has favored, white people. Lesley Logan 3:37  Oh one thing and I heard that I heard this in 2020 and I'll share it here. It doesn't mean you didn't have to swim uphill, it just meant that you had a paddle, it just means that, like, you could have had a hard life but there, the research is there, even if your family came here like mine did in the 1912 all this stuff, the research is, is, is very much there, the status are there that because after slavery, we didn't, we did not treat black people the same as white people, the wealth that their families could pass down, which whether or not you got any money, because I didn't either whether doesn't matter. It doesn't mean that you that there was less opportunity for their generations of families to have options. And there's actually a black family, a guy who was able to buy slaves, the black man who was able to buy his family as slaves. And so then when when slavery ended, there was this whole, basically reparations for the slave owners. And so he was given money for the slaves that he lost, and you can see his family and the generations that came from his family, and how different their lives were compared to other black people and so especially as we're watching this right now where brown people are being targeted in an insane way, black and brown people, but we're seeing a lot of it with brown people because of ICE. I'm just gonna say who it is, because of that. The reality is, is because.Brad Crowell 5:02  Because of ICE directed it by, you know, Stephen Miller and our president.Lesley Logan 5:06  And our president and his vice president, we're gonna add in there. Because some people think if we just got rid of Trump at life would be better. No, you'll still have a shit sandwich. So the reality is, because we've never had Black Lives Matter, we are all being affected. All every other color is going to have a hard time. And by the way, white people, you are too, your life is not going to get easier because they got rid of some brown people, or they only pull over black people. You're this is a community.Brad Crowell 5:32  But I want to go back to this. I agree with the things that you're saying, but I want to go back to this by saying let white lives matter too. We're actually sidestepping the issue. And that's the problem. The problem is not that white lives don't matter. That's not what we're saying, and that's not what you know, that's not what, when someone says Black Lives Matter, they're not saying white lives don't matter too. But what they but when we say white lives matter too, we're we're just derailing the conversation away from the fact that there has been systemic oppression of people in our society for 400 years, right?Lesley Logan 6:05  And also, by the way, if you vote for the people of color who are different than you, you benefit too. By the way, if you've not, I'm not saying vote for people of color. I'm saying if you vote for the people who will represent the people of the least of these, you will benefit. You'll benefit in so many different ways.Brad Crowell 6:20  But here's the thing, that, yes, that you will absolutely benefit when there is, like, cultural and systemic racism against a particular group, it almost empowers violence towards that group, and that is where the that's where everyone got really, really frustrated with this murderer who was literally set free, you know, and, and I couldn't agree more, you know, it's, it's, it's wrong.Lesley Logan 6:50  It's just fucked up. I mean, to be honest, the whole thing that he stood on, that law that he stood on, is stupid, and it's in several different states, and people and like kids have been killed since then because they knocked on the wrong door. A black kid last year knocked on the wrong door looking to pick up his brothers, and they shot him because he's a black kid at their door. Like, what the, I'm sorry, that is infuriating. And we, we are not done. And I think, like, we got past 2020. Brad Crowell 7:18  It's like a mix of fear and racism and the fact that they're ever like. Lesley Logan 7:21  But they're, I won't even give them warrant over fear they're fucked up. Like, come on, I'm sorry.Brad Crowell 7:26  Like their bread fear is like, spued into their life.Lesley Logan 7:31  Right, I guess. But also like, we live in a world where you can curate your own algorithm and and these people are not taking the time to even, like, think about somebody else's experience at all, just their own, and they're so self-centered, and then they vote for people who lie to them and use them and use fear to use them. And now look where we're at. People are dying, and they're like, but my life still sucks. Yeah, it does. You voted for people who made sure it fucking sucked. And I am just like, the guns are the fucking problem. And then we have to. We voted we got rid of Trump the first time. We're like, oh, good. All this stuff is better. No, it's not. The Democrats didn't work fucking fast enough. And now we're here in this place of shit where black people still don't have the rights that white people do, and now brown people are being attacked in crazy ways. And by the way, like, if you're so concerned with, like, immigrants and crime. Like last year, immigrants killed three people, and ISIS killed 33 people from the stats that I just looked at. So like, I just think that, like, there's things that we could be taking into perspective, and it requires us to be more considerate of people who look different than us, and also fighting for their rights, because it will help yours. Anyways, end of rant. And by the way, that's a long conversation that we were like trying to get out. So if we like, that's something a little weird forgiveness, because we're all growing. We're all learning. You get amped up. Lesley Logan 8:50  So anyways, I want to get into what's going on. We just wrapped up Agency Mini last week, and so you missed it. Brad Crowell 9:02  Congratulations, it's over. Lesley Logan 8:57  Congratulations. You can't get on the waitlist, but you can get on the waitlist for the next one. We will do one more this year, prfit.biz/mini prfit.biz/mini that's profit without the O and it is for Pilates instructors and studio owners who work for themselves or want to so highly recommend it. Now we're getting up and we're gearing. We're gearing. We're gearing up and getting ready because we will be gone for an entire month in Europe. Brad and I, we're not taking Bayon on this trip. On this trip, and so we'll be first in Poland at the Controlology Conference to Contrology Pilates Conference in Wroclaw with Karen Frischmann, xxll.co/poland you can come from anywhere to go to that. Karen and I speak in English, and it will be translated into Polish. So if you can do either of those languages, that conference is for you. And then after that, Brad, Karen and I are going to go to the Contrology. We're going to Brussels to Pilatels like Vintage Pilates and friends. Ignacio is going to be there. El is the owner. She's going to be there. The four of us are gonna be teaching workshops and classes. It's gonna be a long, fun filled days. I promise these are something you don't wanna miss. Els really throws a party with these xxll.co/brussels, and I guess we're gonna be like in Bruges. So that's really cool. Don't quote me. It's all on the site. Just go there. Brad Crowell 9:02  Sounds fun. Lesley Logan 9:02  We have a lot of eLevate and other people that we know are going to that one. So it's gonna be a really fun party. And then after our second honeymoon, which your recommendations for things to do between Brussels and Paris that get us to London are welcomed, because we're going to take that train. I think, hopefully we can. That's the plan. We clearly haven't looked up anything. I just heard you can go from Paris to London, so that's what we're going to do. But you can join us at POT London. My Saturday workshop is filled, but there is a few spots left in the Sunday workshop that I'm teaching, but you should come to any of the workshops, because there's some excellent presenters at the POT in London, xxll.co/pot. By the way, that link will take you to all the POTs that Balanced Body is doing right now. Right now the only one on that schedule that I'm going to be at is POT London. We will have a booth at a couple others, but if you want to take workshop from me in Europe, you've got three weekend options, and that is it for at least a year, maybe two. So check it out xxll.co/pot, and then we come home, we're gonna get ready for spring training. Brad Crowell 11:16  Yeah, really looking forward to it. This year we're gonna change it up. Lesley Logan 11:19  How to get overhead. Brad Crowell 11:20  How to get overhead. So last year's spring training was so fun. We had people join us from all over the world. We had teachers join us from all over the globe, all the OPC teachers, and it was a big party. And we were digging into, well, each year we're digging into a different topic. So this year's topic is how to get overhead. And I know we kind of said this last week on the pod. But you don't have to be able to get overhead right to come learn. Lesley Logan 11:46  I don't like that. It's not have to get overhead, it's a how to. It's really finding your own version of overhead exercises. It's really just, you're here to find your own and that's what Pilates is making your own personal practice practice. It's called Contrology, the study of control. Not controlled.Brad Crowell 12:02  Yeah, not controlled. So come join us. Go to opc.me/events opc.me/events to grab a spot on the waitlist so that you're gonna be the first one to know when we do that in May. Before we get into this great interview with Brad, let's dig into this question. So on YouTube, @wanderlustonwheels asks, I would love to see recommendations for us perimenopausal ladies on the Cadillac. I am also hyper mobile, so I can't really do any mat work without fabricating and crunching my joints and pinching my nerves. I always end up with neck cranks that keep me from sleeping when I do mat work. So this is like multiple things rolled up into one. Lesley Logan 12:45  Yeah, I'm gonna keep it tight, because I appreciate your question about perimenopausal exercises on the Cadillac. And unfortunately, the way that Pilates has been changed, in some ways, is that people think I need to know this type of exercise for this piece of equipment, but really it's a system. And actually all Pilates is available to any perimenopausal woman on any piece of equipment. So what's cool about Pilates is it actually is a low cortisol producing workout, or it should be. And if yours is not, then you're probably not doing Pilates. It's a mind body connective work, and you're not moving super slow or super fast. There's some moments with zest and there's some moment with rhythm. But in in all honesty, most Pilates exercise classes session should actually be low cortisol producing really great for building strength and for getting that mind body connection, which will bring down that cortisol levels. And you should be able to sleep really, really well. So I'm not gonna say which exercises are great for perimenopause, because they all are, but depends on which ones your body needs right now. And that actually has nothing. That has very little to do with perimenopause, and more to do with like, what's going on with your body, the fact that you're hyper mobile, you didn't mention that you have EDS. So if you had EDS, this was a it's a different story, and you should definitely be working. You should really make sure to find an EDS teacher near you, trained teacher near you or online. Because the fact that when you do mat work your nerves are pinched and you have neck cranks makes me actually nervous that you're not doing actual Pilates exercises, and somebody is using the popularity of Pilates to entice you in, because if you're doing Pilates from your center on the mat as a hyper mobile person, the worst case scenario you're going to have is that it's easy. I'm a hyper mobile body, and so it would just feel easy to me because I was just locking my joints out and over stretching things and kind of hanging off of things. But the fact that you're actually having pinched nerves and neck cranks tells me that there's some sort of pressure that's being pulled to you in these exercises.Brad Crowell 14:46  Well, I think, I think, like, okay, so also hypermobile here. And did you know in like, super intense yoga for like, a long time before moving to Vegas and so now I do yoga differently, but before it was like, you know, 3, 4, 5 days a week doing yoga. And I definitely understand the idea of, like, crunching joints and pinching nerves, or I don't understand fabricating. That doesn't mean anything to me. But, you know, just because you can force your body into a shape doesn't mean you're doing it correctly. Lesley Logan 15:18  Well and also, I think that, like, something that you had to learn was that not every cue is for you. And I think sometimes in a class we hear them say something, so we do it in a hyper mobile people, we can keep going like, our end range isn't there, whereas a tighter person would be like, get stuck on something.Brad Crowell 15:35  I mean, look, I you know, I could put my head, my foot behind my head on the first day of class, the very first day, like, and they were like, your yoga practice is amazing. I was like, I'm brand new. What are you talking about? Right? So.Lesley Logan 15:46  And that teacher should have been like, oh, even though you can do that, you should not do that, because you don't know what you're doing.Brad Crowell 15:51  Right. You don't know how to engage your muscles, to protect your body. And that's what, to me, that's what it sounds like here, when you have crunching joints or pinching nerves, like in Pilates, we talk about the five spine shapes. And the spine shape that that you should focus on as a hyper mobile body is tall.Lesley Logan 16:07  Yeah, look at you, Brad. Brad Crowell 16:09  Oh yeah. Lesley Logan 16:10  Look at you. So so @wanderlustonwheels, like, here's the thing, if you were an OPC member and I was you sent in a video of you doing a couple of the mat exercises, just a couple reps, I don't want you to hurt anything, I could actually see what's going on. Without being able to see it just based off what I'm reading, it sounds to me that the person who's teaching the class is not teaching your body. They are teaching a class, and that is hard because it's more accessible for you to go to a class or to watch a YouTube video, but not everything is going to be for you. And so actually learning how to move from your center is going to be key, and that might mean investing in some time or some money to get either an OBC membership or a studio near you, where a teacher can actually look at you and go, oh, that's too high. Oh, that's too much. Or here are these exercises, because the mat work, like I said, as a hypermobile, it should just feel easy, and the fact you're getting hurt, really, like alarm bells are going off for me. Brad Crowell 17:03  There's a second thing I wanted to say on this, and I'm not a physical therapist, but also being a hypermobile body, the best thing that has that I've done for my body in the past five years is lifting weights.Lesley Logan 17:16  Well and, for perimenopausal women, you should be so people who actually do Pilates say I should lift weights. It's not an or it's an and I do both. I lift heavy weights and I do Pilates.Brad Crowell 17:27  Because, because the strength, here's here's where this has been weird for me, because I am, like, super competitive, the guy who wants to be the guy who can, you know, bend over backwards and and, like, you know, touch my toes backwards. I want to be that guy, because if they can do it, so can I. That's how my mentality has always been, and I could do a lot more flexibility things, maybe not properly, but with my hypermobility before I started becoming more strong, but with the strength added, which, you know, has been like, a process over multiple years. My body hurts way less, way less. I can still jack myself up, and I can still be like, oh man, I'm in my lower back right now. I can feel it, you know. But because my, because I've been like, my shoulders don't hurt anymore. They used to. My knees are hurting less they, you know, my back especially has been hurting less, and then, you know, I haven't had neck issues the way that you're describing them. But like, you know, if you strengthen your neck, imagine.Lesley Logan 18:31  Well, that's the thing that people, especially while we're doing that, going back to that spring training with overhead, I ask you, like, what they're nervous about and everyone's afraid of their neck. And I'm like, one, you should be on your neck. And two, your neck should be strong. Most people, like, are so afraid of hurting their neck that they're not actually strengthening their neck anymore, and their necks getting weaker. And so guess what? It's actually gonna you're gonna hurt it just sitting around. So I, I really, like, I feel for people because, like, what if? So what if @wanderlustonwheels, like, can't go to any place, right? What if she, like, doesn't have money or the time, and she like, I get that it's about listening to your body. And really true, like, sometimes you have to film yourself, because if you're looking at someone do something, and then you're trying to make yourself look like them. But then when you actually film yourself, you go, oh, wow, look at how hyperextended or look where my chin is like that could help you or if you can invest in even just some privates, going hey, I need to know these foundational exercises for my body. I need to know these foundational weight training exercises for my body. I'm hyper mobile, then you can I truly believe you can do Pilates on your own once you have those foundations. And that's I wouldn't have created OPC if I didn't think so, and you can train on your own. That's why gyms exist. So at any rate, like also, I just really wonder if the person teaching that mat class is actually teaching real mat Pilates or doing lots of extra reps or something. They might be doing Pilates exercises, but doing a ton of reps, or doing it too fast, or adding heavier weights. I say, like, what? I was like, oh, I want lightweights for a class, right? And I showed up and they're like, the lightest one's worth five pounds each. And I'm like, that's not Pilates. That like that should be in a gym, because Pilates is a one pound weight. So like, sometimes, you know, people want to fill the burn and so, and then studios lean towards that, because that's what I think, is there gonna be money, and what we're not doing is educating people, you know? (inaudible)Brad Crowell 20:12  Thanks for writing in that question. There's a lot there, but, but. Lesley Logan 20:17  We have a great workshop on OPC that Mindy Westfall did about Pilates for hypermobility, so I highly recommend taking a look at that.Brad Crowell 20:24  Yeah, that's a great point and and sorry for interrupting you there. But yes, if you have a question, we want to hear it, so text us 310-905-5534, or you can submit it through beitpod.com/questions beitpod.com/questions where you can leave either a win or a question. So send us some wins, people, we want to celebrate with you. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about Brad Walsh. Brad Crowell 20:49  All right, let's talk about Brad Walsh. Brad is the host and founder of the Empower Podcast, a Toronto based platform dedicated to amplifying women's stories and strengthening their voices. A lifelong photographer. He discovered his passion in high school, and later transitioned from a 12 and a half year career as corporate audiovisual technician to full time photography, eventually specializing in boudoir work that helps women see their own strength and beauty. His commitment to women's empowerment is rooted in the example set by his mother and grandmother, whose courage shaped the values behind his work today. Lesley Logan 21:23  Yeah, and some cool women in his life. And we've had one photographer on before, and so I was, I was excited to talk a little bit about boudoir photography with him, because I grew up where a lot of women changed their bodies because of what they thought men would like, and then him being a male boudoir photographer who's like, literally loving everybody as it is and showing them how beautiful they are in their own bodies with these photos. And then then they can see how beautiful they are in those photos. It's fucking cool. I think it's great. Thanks, Brad, for not being a dick, you know, like there are some good men out there. Brad Crowell 21:56  If you haven't listened to his episode just yet, his you know, he shared his story a little bit. His dad left, or his mom left his dad, who was, you know, off cheating on her, basically, when he was 10, and they went through it like they were broke. They got an apartment. Mom slept on the couch, because he also has a brother, and he said, you know, her strength and courage to stand back up after 15 years of marriage and say, I'm done with this abuse. She left with nothing but the clothes on her back. And, you know, and then when she got a job because she needed to, after being out of the workforce for over a decade, grandma helped in, you know, stepped in to help. So, you know, very inspirational story there. And also, like, definitely lays the foundation for why he would be encouraging, you know, women and empowering women. So I appreciated hearing a little bit of that. But what are the what is one of the things that he talked about that you really loved?Lesley Logan 22:54  Well, he said, the gift of her seeing herself for the first time a light she's not used to seeing herself in. He said, like, it's so powerful to be able to give that to another human being and.Brad Crowell 23:03  You're specifically talking about his photography, yeah, boudoir photography.Lesley Logan 23:06  Yeah. He said when they see who they truly are and how they're captured, they leave a completely different woman. And there's not enough words, he said, to encapsulate the power in that as a photographer. I mean, I.Brad Crowell 23:19  His conviction, like, was, was so. Lesley Logan 23:21  Oh yeah, you have to hear it. Brad Crowell 23:22  Yeah, it was. It was very compelling. Because he's like, I don't, I don't have the words to say how much that has impacted me. Lesley Logan 23:28  Yeah. Well, I think, like, first of all, ladies, if you're like, I hate being on camera. I don't have (inaudible) you're the one who fucking needs to have your picture taken. Because, like, I was like, oh my God, we have a photo shoot tomorrow, and I love our photographer, and I love our makeup artist, and so I'm like, it's, I know it's going to be a great time, and it's a long day, like we talked about Brooks Tyler's book last week, and it's like, to be on an eight-hour shoot, you you have to have stamina, endurance, and I really think Adderall would have helped, like, just, just to stay focused right for that many hours. But when you see the photos at the end of the day, you're like, oh my God, I'm fucking stunning. And then you like, wake up the next day without hair and makeup, like, I'm fucking stunning. Like, it just keeps going. So, like, I highly recommend doing it, because it does change how you think about yourself. And when you change how you think about yourself, you change how you act, you change how you act, you change how you be it till you see it. I mean, there's no other way to say it. So what did you love?Brad Crowell 24:25  So I really dug when he was talking about resilience, right? And it stemmed from a conversation about being tired of the word resilient. You know, like, I've been told so many times you're so resilient. Well, I don't want to be resilient anymore. Why do I have to keep being resilient?Lesley Logan 24:37  My friends are like, you're the most resilient person, I know I'm like, over it pretty done.Brad Crowell 24:42  And he took a step back and paused, and he's like, well, this is how I see what resilience is. It's, it's courage and inner strength, specifically, when you you keep getting back up after being knocked down time after time, right? And he said, he said it's really important that women be resilient so they can share their experience, and inspire other women by being vulnerable, by sharing their experience. It's a permission slip for others. It shows them what is possible, right? And I thought that's totally relevant and important. And he said, while it can certainly be tiring, it serves a greater purpose, right? And it makes your efforts bigger than just you. You know, it makes your efforts towards whatever it is that you're working on. When you share those things and you continue to get back up, you know, you're giving permission for others to keep going on their journey, which we don't know what exactly what it is, but there's clearly going to be something relatable. He said, even if you're only influencing one person, right? It's worth it. He said, think about that impact, and how you know that you can have and how you can help. Maybe, you know, maybe by sharing your story, your struggles, it will prevent someone from having to go through something similar that you experience, because you know you're sharing how you got through it. So, I mean, that's honestly, like half the reason we do this podcast is hearing, you know, how did they get from A to B? How are they being it till they see, how they get to where they are today and, you know, it's inspirational. I hope you found it as well.Lesley Logan 26:08  I did. I really did. And I couldn't agree more. I mean, like, you're, you know, it's not a podcast I used to listen to before I was ever like when the first they just ended their first season, which is like, more like an ending of a show. I think they call the end of a season one, because they could always come back. But it was like 968, episodes. And I know. And I was just like, interesting. I wonder what it'd be like, like, well, how do you, how do you think about ending it? I read, like, their statement, which is, like, everything that we did worked, and like, look, we've inspired people. And I was like, there must have been a point where they, like, thought it wasn't adding anymore, you know, and but, and every time I'm like, is this podcast like helping anybody out? And then we go on tour, and someone's like, I loved this. And I'm like, well, fuck, we got to keep going because it's fucking hard work podcasting. But I know every stupid bro makes it look like it's the easiest thing you ever did in your life. This is a fucking hard thing that we do every week.Brad Crowell 27:00  Yeah, we're surrounded by a whole team to set us up to be able to even do this.Lesley Logan 27:03  Yes, and you just get to, like, vent or rant or like, I don't know what the fuck they think they're doing, but like, you actually have to, like, have structure and, like, think about these things and think about the people you're platforming. You know, I know that dickhead CEO podcast is like, I'm not platforming these people. I'm having a conversation. No, you're fucking platforming them, right? So, like, sometimes I'm like, oh, do I should I be platforming this person? Because I want to change lives for the better, right? So, and it's difficult because you're like, how do I know this person? How am I going to there's so many things to think about, but I do agree. It's like, if you can change one's person's life with it, like, then it's worth doing, worth all the effort. Brad Crowell 27:33  Yeah, well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those Be It Action Items that we got from your conversation with Brad Walsh. Brad Crowell 27:42  All right, welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Brad Walsh? He said, you just have to be authentic. Don't try to be something that you're not. And the two of you went back and forth about we need to take back the word authentic, it's overused and overplayed, but there's still something to it. You know? He said, look, when we only show the happy, shiny, beautiful part of the thing that we went through, we're not being honest, and that's not being authentic, because there was definitely some shit we had to go through to get there too, right? And so I think it's fair to say that you can still be selective about all of the shit. You don't have to share everything. We're not airing our dirty laundry, but it's important to show that there's a struggle as well, and that that like contributes to that authenticity. It makes it actually authentic, right? So drill down, you know, be selective, but take that mask off and actually like, be genuine. So what about you?Lesley Logan 28:42  Oh, well, you know, I love this his father's wisdom, who said, what's meant for you will never go by you. And the mantra that I say, which means the same thing, is, like, what is for you will not pass you, or you will not pass you. And I think that that's a really important thing, because it's really easy to, like, hang on to something because we're afraid that something else won't come along. But like, if it's meant for you, will not go by you. And it's something that, like, as our career has taken off, as our business continues to grow, I have to say no to a lot of things, and that means worrying. Oh my god, am I letting something go? Am I saying no to something that could have, like, changed the trajectory? And it's like, I have to trust that what is meant for me will never go by you. What is for me will not pass me. So I hope that gives you something to think about, because it's not going to be all fucking rainbows and glitter, especially right now. Like, it's really hard right now. And I want to recognize every single one of you are listening like, you open up the news and it's fucked, and then you have to go to work and go, how are you? Well, all things considered, not shitty, but, like, it's hard, especially especially as people who have empathy and feelings and and caring. And so you have to keep getting up, doing the best you can. If you live somewhere where you can call someone who represents you and yell at them for what they need to step up, do that, it's part of a great day, and then keep going because if you can affect one person's life to make it better, it does matter. I love that. Brad Crowell 30:04  Yeah, me too. Lesley Logan 30:04  I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 30:06  Well, before we do that, we just wanted to shout out. Brad has an upcoming conference that's called Empowerography. It's a live conference for 2026 It is Friday, April 24th, through Sunday, April 26th, and I'm pretty sure it's a virtual. Lesley Logan 30:21  It's virtual so you can go. Brad Crowell 30:22  So you can find tickets and information about it on Facebook. Search for Empowerography. That's E-M power ography. You know, Empowerography Live Conference. Just search for Brad Walsh. Lesley Logan 30:33  We'll put the link in the show notes as well. That might be easier. Okay, go do that. And I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 30:38  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 30:39  Thanks so much for listening. Thanks for being you. Thanks for calling your congressman and your senators and laying on the peppy if you're American and if you are European or somewhere from anywhere else you there's ways to lay on our shit too. So you can, you can help make change in this world. I believe it. I believe you and you. And if you don't want to do any of that, then leave me a review, please. Thanks so much. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 31:01  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 31:03  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Lesley Logan sits down with Brad Walsh, photographer and host of the Empowerography Podcast, to explore what it really means to be seen. Brad shares how his journey from corporate work into storytelling and photography led him to amplifying women's voices—and why resilience isn't just about getting back up, but about creating a path for someone else to follow. They talk about authenticity, body image, and the shift from a “me first” mindset to leading with service. This conversation is a grounded reminder that sharing your story can create impact—often in ways you don't expect. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How his photography helped women see themselves in a new light.Using resilience as a permission slip for other women's strength.Realizing every body is beautiful regardless of the package.Shifting from a “me first” mindset toward service-driven work.Letting go of comparison by owning what makes your work unique.Episode References/Links:Empowerography Podcast - https://empowerographypodcast.comEmpowerography Podcast Email - https://www.empowerographypodcast@gmail.comEmpowerography Podcast Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/empowerographypodcastBrad Walsh LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradwalsh70/Brad Walsh Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/brad.walsh.56/Empowerography Live Conference 2026 - https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1D7QAc3hFxGuest Bio:Brad Walsh is a podcast host/producer, photographer, a published #1 International Best-Selling Author and an International Speaker and who found himself wanting to inspire others during the pandemic. He birthed the idea of EMPOWEROGRAPHY, a Top 1.5% Globally Rated Podcast, a platform that highlights strong, inspirational, dynamic women who share their stories of success, triumph, resiliency and transformation. He had no idea that what started as a simple concept would take on a life of its own. He is excited to share this platform with you and continue to EMPOWER, ELEVATE and EDUCATE by amplifying the voices of women all over the world. He is so excited to share this platform with you and continue to EMPOWER, ELEVATE and EDUCATE by amplifying the voices of women all over the world. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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It is so powerful to be able to give that to another human being. And that's the most beautiful part for me as the photographer to be able to do that and show a woman who she truly, truly is.Lesley Logan 0:17  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:00  All right, Be It babe. This is a fabulous conversation you're about to hear. I'm so excited. I really enjoyed being on this person's podcast. They had the most amazing questions for me, and I was like, this person is very unique. I need to share their story on my podcast. And I was excited about it when I asked them. And now that I've interviewed them. I'm even more stoked about it. So you're in for a ride. You're in for a great conversation. I hope you feel like you're, you know, you're at coffee with us and chiming in. And I hope that this also inspires you to be it till you see it in a bigger, badder ass way, because you're amazing. That's not even a word, but I'm making it one. So here is Brad Walsh of the Empowerography Podcast and let us know what you think. Lesley Logan 1:47  Hey, Be It babe. Okay, we're gonna have a really fun conversation, because I already have had a wonderful conversation with our guest today, and after having those over on his amazing podcast, I had to have Brad Walsh, our guest today, over here on the Be It Till You See It podcast. So Brad, will you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Brad Walsh 2:04  Yes. Well, first of all, I'd like to say thank you so much for having me and bringing me on board on your platform. I'm excited to be here and share with your listeners a bit about me and what I do. So I am based in Toronto, Canada. My name is Brad Walsh. I am the host and founder of the Empowerography Podcast platform, which was created to help elevate and amplify the voices of women through sharing their stories. I also host women's empowerment conference online every year. We did our fifth one this year, and that's that's my thing. I love holding space and sharing, sharing the stage and shining a light on women to share their stories.Lesley Logan 2:40  So cool. Five, that's amazing. Congratulations. The first few are so hard. And then you get to five, and you're like, whoa, I'll keep doing this.Brad Walsh 2:51  Yeah, well, next year, actually, we're doing it live and in person here in Toronto.Lesley Logan 2:55  Oh, my God, that is amazing. In person is so powerful. Okay, but have you always been a storyteller? Like, have you always been like an event producer? Like, tell us the journey.Brad Walsh 3:07  No, the event producing is new because of Empowerography. Well, new. Five years new, I guess. The storytelling, yes, in a way, because I'm a photographer, so I tell stories visually through capturing images, through capturing moments in time. So yeah, storytelling has always been a part of the journey. My photography, that's my first love, my first passion. That's where everything started for me. I took a photography class in high school, and from the first moment I stepped into that class and into the dark room, it was first love. I fell in love with the art form, and I've been in a love affair with photography ever since. So it's been 35 years there around so, yeah, it's been an amazing journey. There's just something so magical about being able to capture an image in camera and then to develop the film yourself and to see an image come to life on a piece of paper is such a magical and beautiful process. I there's not enough words to describe the beauty in that. So that's where my journey began. I worked in corporate for 12 and a half years as an audio visual tech at one of the big four accounting firms.Lesley Logan 4:22  Like you know, I would never have thought that an accounting firm needed an audio visual tech.Brad Walsh 4:27  Oh, yeah, absolutely. Oh for sure, video conferencing, webcasting, meetings, off site events, yeah, absolutely, there's, yeah, there's a huge need for it, absolutely.Lesley Logan 4:39  Oh, well, that's so cool. I mean, least you got to experience the corporate side of things.Brad Walsh 4:43  Yeah, well, it was, it was for the first six years I loved it. The last six and a half were just terrible. I hated going to work. I didn't like my boss. I didn't love the work anymore. I fell out of love with it because I was constantly thinking about my photography, all the while, while I was working full time as an audio visual tech, I was running my photography business part time, but at that time, I was only creating I was creating art. I wasn't photographing people. I had no interest whatsoever in photographing people. That wasn't my thing. It was more architecture, landscapes, urban exploration, although that shifted a little bit for me during my corporate career, because I ended up getting, to put it politely, tasked with the responsibility at my corporate job, with doing the corporate headshots. Yeah, but I fell in love with photographing people.Lesley Logan 5:36  You're like, oh, you do photos? You can photograph a building, you can photograph a face.Brad Walsh 5:41  Yes, of course. And hey, why not? We've got this guy on staff. He could do this. We could save ourselves thousands upon thousands of dollars by having him do it for free. We don't have to pay him, because we're already paying him a salary. So I mean, that's where I fell in love with photographing people. I loved having that one on one time and that connection that you would get when you when a person sat in front of your lens, it just it created a connection there. And so through that, I a few, a few years after that, after my falling in love with photographing people, I was connected through a mutual friend to a boudoir photographer who was based in Florida, and I fell in love with her work and the mission and the message behind that genre of photography, with what you can help women accomplish in terms of body acceptance, self-love, self-confidence. And I ended up mentoring with her for six months. And when I was done my mentorship, it was just one of those light bulb moments. I just knew that that's what I've got to do with my photography business, when I make the jump, and that's where, that's really where my journey into the whole women's empowerment world started, is through the boudoir photography.Lesley Logan 6:49  Okay, this is so cool. I had no idea. So we had, yes, we had a boudoir photographer on earlier, and y'all are probably hearing this in 2026 so earlier in 2025, and I couldn't agree more. Like I, definitely, so back when I lived in LA, I had a girlfriend who wanted to work on boudoir photography, like, can you just, like, be my practice person? I was like, okay, like, whatever. But then you see the photos of yourself, and you're like, I had no idea the eye was so beautiful and like, that looks so amazing. Because, like, you know, first of all, most of all, most of us see ourselves in the lighting of our own homes, which is not always up to par. And you know, mirrors are interesting how they're not consistent. So like, you don't realize, like, the beauty that you have or the power that you have, and until someone does that. And yet, so many people are afraid of doing that, or think that they wouldn't be good enough for that. So I love this. So this is how you got into telling women's stories. And okay, but was it easy to switch? Was it did you have like this? Because I actually am sorry. I'm getting really excited right now. Okay, I'm halfway through my coffee this morning, guys, we are alive. So I love your journey, because it sounds like so many people. It's like I did this, and I kind of fell in love with it, and then I went to corporate, and then I was fine, and then I got bored, and then there was this other thing I was doing. And so I love this, because it's a journey that we all go on. But then to make the big switch to doing something you're really passionate about, there's still so much fear there.Brad Walsh 8:13  Oh, absolutely. I mean, with just back to the photography for a second, that gift that I am able to give a woman of her seeing herself for the very first time, like truly who she is. It is un-fucking-believable. It is so powerful to be able to give that to another human being. And that's the most beautiful part for me as the photographer, to be able to do that and show a woman who she truly, truly is. Because, as you said, you don't think about yourself. A lot of the women don't think about themselves that way. But then when they see the images, and they see who they truly are and how they're captured, it's inner and outer beauty, and it is so magical, the transformation that takes place in a 90 minute session with me is unbelievable. She walks in one woman, she leaves a completely different woman. And that is what it's about, is being able to show a woman herself in a brand new light, or a different light, a light that she's not used to seeing herself in, or a light that she's never seen herself in. That process. It's, it's, honestly, there aren't enough words to encapsulate the power in that. For me as a photographer, it is so beautiful.Lesley Logan 9:31  Yeah, because you're like, we wrote in something like a, like, a storyteller doula, but like, you are like, like, an empowering me, empowering women doula, you're like, and now go off and, like, impact the world, because it's why I do this show. It's probably why you do your your photography. It's like, I'm really good at what I do, and I love what I do, but my bubble of influence is this. It's whatever it can be, and if I can then influence another woman to be it until she sees it and does something that's so incredibly impactful. Her bubble of influence. And so all of a sudden, like, in my world, the way I envision this, it's like we get all these bubbles, and it's, like it can cover the whole world then, right? Because it's not about one person, it's about all the people feeling their power.Brad Walsh 10:14  That's right? And so with the photography, I got to a point I was probably about two years into my business full time, and I started to feel like I love this. This is amazing. What a beautiful gift this is that I get to do this, and I get paid to do this, but I want to reach more people. I want to have a bigger impact. I want my bubble to grow. And so I thought, Why don't I take the purpose, the mission, the values of the work I do as a photographer, and turn that into or transplant that into a podcast where I focus the platform solely on women. At the time and even now, I don't know of any other platform in the world out there that has a man as a host who solely, 100% focuses on amplifying and elevating the voices of women.Lesley Logan 10:57  Not gonna lie, Brad, when I saw what you're doing, I was like, what an interesting dude. I wonder why he does it.Brad Walsh 11:02  I so I thought, Well, I'm gonna give this to I had no experience interview. I had no idea how to interview someone. No clue. I just thought, you know what, fuck it. I'll figure it out. I'm just gonna jump in. So I reached out to seven or eight friends of mine, women who I had met through my photography journey, and I explained what my idea was for the platform, and of course, it was in its infancy back then, but I shared with them and asked them if they would help me get it off the ground by letting me interview them. They all said, yes. I did the interviews, I created the content, and at that same time, my photography business started to pick up traction. I was getting more inquiries, more booking. So I thought, Okay, I have to, I have to shift all of my energy, my focus, to the business. That's why I left corporate. I shut down the and shelved the podcast, focused on the business. And then, of course, we hit March of 2020. Screwed my business. I couldn't be photographing women. So I thought, Okay, well, you got two choices here. You can go through door number one and sit around and commiserate and complain about what's going on with over half the world. Or you could go through door number two and and see this as a gift that we've all been given and use it to put something good out into the world. We could use that right now. So I reignited the podcast, and here we are, five and a half years later, and it's been an absolutely incredible journey. I have interviewed some of the most beautiful, powerful, inspirational, resilient, courageous women. You being one of them, Lesley, and I mean, it has just been such an incredible journey. It has opened so many doors for me. I and at the foundation of it all is my mom, my grandmother. They are the the inspiration for it. My mom left my biological father when I was 10, he was running around on her having an affair. Back in those days, of course, women stayed home to raise the children while the husband was the one working. So when I look back on that, the fact that she had the strength and the courage to stand up after 15 years of marriage and say, No more. I don't have to put up with this shit. I'm taking my boys and we're leaving, and we left with nothing but the clothes on our back. We moved into a one bedroom apartment. Mom slept on a couch. My brother and I shared a bedroom, and she had to get a job after being out of work for 10 years, because she sacrificed to stay home and raise us and so when she was at work, my grandmother would step in. So for me, those two women are my heart and my soul. I wouldn't be the man I am today without them. And then, of course, all of the women that I've had the honor and pleasure of sitting down with and sharing in their stories, they have all contributed to who I am today because of their stories, because of the lessons and the insights I've I've received from all of these women I take inspiration from every single woman I interview, so they have all had a hand in creating who I am today.Lesley Logan 13:47  Brad, I couldn't agree more. Like I feel that in being able to interview people, even people who I don't really always agree with, I'm like, wow, that's an interesting way to be it until you see it. I probably wouldn't do it. But like, even in doing even in doing that, like, your ability to empathize and see people's whole people, because, like, we, we live in a world where people want to go that person did a bad thing, so they're a bad person. This person did a good thing, so they're a good person. And people are so complicated. They're so complicated. And when you know, growing up, you would hear about like, women who left or divorced people. And of course, the woman always gets the shade like because they're divorced, the divorce (inaudible) and knowing what I know now about when she could get a credit card, when she could get a bank loan, when she you're like, whoa, every single one of those women is the biggest badass I have ever heard of, because that would have been the hardest thing to do, like, because they're though the world was against them, and so like what strength and foresight and like to make sure that you guys saw something different. I, I am in the mood of like reading and re listening to women's stories from the past that have been painted in one way, and hearing the full capacity of it, you're like, oh, actually, you know that's that person is is stronger than we thought, or better than we thought, or cooler than we thought.Brad Walsh 15:07  Yeah. And I mean, then you add into the mix, if they've got children, they have to do what they have to do to help those kids. But to your point about hearing the full story, this makes me think of something I just discovered recently is the Salem witch trials, and what bullshit that was and what the real truth is, holy shit.Lesley Logan 15:30  You guys. We are. We are. I might have got chills. I got chills. We are recording this on Halloween. But like, I actually am in love with the acronym of WITCH, which is, like, woman in total control of herself. Like I am, like, obsessed with the song, I'm obsessed with the acronym, but you're correct, like the Salem witch trials, and also just the witch trials in general, which is just like, oh, she is a healer. She had power, or her husband's dead, and she has got money.Brad Walsh 15:53  She has real estate, yes, exactly. Lesley Logan 15:53  And they're just killing these women. Brad Walsh 15:57  I could not believe it when I went down that rabbit hole, I thought, Holy, fuck the amount of lies that we have been told about that and how women have been painted in such a horrible light, which is totally false, totally bullshit. Lesley Logan 16:11  In fact, you know what? Y'all I'm not saying that this is the most accurate statement, but I think if you've ever heard a historical woman being painted as this horrible person, I would just assume that there's probably a 180 story on that, like. Brad Walsh 16:26  Mary Magdalene? Lesley Logan 16:27  Okay, you read my mind. Because, like, you know, you're like, Oh, she's this poor sex worker home girl was fucking rich. She was she was absolutely bankrolling those dudes.Brad Walsh 16:39  It's crazy. The shit I have learned is unbelievable.Lesley Logan 16:43  Like, do you ever okay? Do you ever wonder, like, Is my whole life a lie? Like, was my whole like, my whole life was a lie? And sometimes I'm like, and so I have been reading there's, um, there's an Instagram channel that his name is for, like, I'm not remembering this moment, but she, like, talks about these, like, women in history that, like, we've just, like, erased, didn't listen to and I'm just like, made myself go every day I'm gonna read one, because it just makes me realize, Wow, we are stronger than we've ever been told we are. And in fact, like all these stories of history and people like, I think it's like these little digs to make sure women feel, Oh, I can't do it. Oh, bad things happen, right? Brad Walsh 17:23  Yep, it's horrible. Lesley Logan 17:25  Okay. The like, you've been platforming women, you've brought up the word resilience, and I, I'm someone who, like, everyone is like, Lesley, you're so resilient. And then what? Some days I just want to go fucking tired of being resilient. I just would, like to.Brad Walsh 17:39  I just spoke with someone the other day, and that's exactly what they said. I don't want to be fucking resilient. I'm so tired of that word.Lesley Logan 17:47  Like, I like, I like, I'm like, you know those, like, those punching bags where you hit them and they come back up again. I'm like, I just don't, I don't know if I should get back up or stayed. I don't know anymore. Like, just leave me. Let me be over here. Yeah, I guess, like, since you've interviewed so many women, you told so many stories, why should we want to stay resilient?Brad Walsh 18:10  Because it because I think that staying resilient by doing that you're giving a permission slip to other women. Because I think I see resilience as courage and inner strength being getting back up that eighth time after being knocked down seven times. That's what resilience is to me. And so when I think, when women do that, it's a permission slip for others, it shows other women what's possible. So yeah, I think, as much as you don't you hate the word, and I understand. I get it. I totally understand. But think about the other women that you are inspiring by doing that. And yes, of course, and there's nothing wrong with getting tired of hearing it. And maybe, maybe you don't have to get up every single time. But I think that by doing so it you are inspiring other women and showing you are proof of what's possible, in my opinion.Lesley Logan 19:00  Yeah, you're right. I mean, I'll keep getting back up, but I do, I.Brad Walsh 19:05  Somehow I can't see you staying down anyway. Lesley Logan 19:07  I don't even think I would know how to, but I, but I also, I also want to highlight that you said, like, it inspires others to actually maybe step outside and get outside, and I think, like, I think that's also why women have to tell their story, and I also think that's why your platform has to exist for women to tell their story, to have a platform if they don't have one, you know, because, like, so the other day, you don't know this, Brad, but I'll just tell you. So the other day, I got a comment on my YouTube channel, and it was like, Oh, I've loved your videos for so long, but you've been gaining weight, and it was better before.Brad Walsh 19:48  It was better. The content was better before you gained weight.Lesley Logan 19:50  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because yeah. So I and first of all, they had they so they wrote in Spanish. Which is fine. Like, that's their language. No problem. There's Google Translate. So I see this, like, common in Spanish, and I know enough Spanish to, like, pick up. And I was like, that's not saying what it what it says. So I put it through, no, it said exactly what I thought it said. And then, of course, a couple of my subscribers on YouTube, like, they defended it in the best way that they could, which is, is fine, the person then doubled down. So even if we thought, like, maybe it's a cultural thing, like, look, we have, we have a place in Cambodia, and they will ask you, like, point blank, like, why don't you have kids? Why are you bigger? Why are you looking so old? And it's not here. We would take that as, like, what an asshole. There, it's like, if you're heavier or you don't work, you must be rich. Like, so, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's a different and that's a whole different thing, right? Like, to have weight on your bones is sign of money, where, here we're, like, a sign of wealth is, like, can you just be as skinny as possible, right? And then also, like, look like a child forever. So anyways, so they doubled down on it. So we are clear that it's not a cultural thing. This is their opinion. So I, you know.Brad Walsh 21:02  And this was a man, I'm assuming. Lesley Logan 21:04  Yes and I couldn't tell from the handle, until when I called them out and I said, Hey, like, I really hope that when your body changes and it will, that you have space and grace for yourself and others in your life that you love. Because I am, for the record, since you've called it out, 40 pounds heavier than the one I started this channel, and I am stronger and I'm healthier, and I have more longevity, and I will not tolerate fat phobic comments on this channel. Thank you so much, right? And then the person, like, didn't apologize, but was like, Oh, I didn't mean to offend you, which is like, Okay. And then they signed off, and it was a man. And I was like, fucking why the fuck, why is it always a man? Why? But then you know what, here's the thing, I will I will clarify. I've had many women say some nasty things too. So, so I, so I went to the point of the story is, I went on my Instagram account and I shared the story, and I said, you know, like, I am saying this for the women who actually do have to walk into a room that people question. Like, I still go, I'm like, thin passing, right? Like, if we're going to talk about, like, like, I can walk into room and no one's going, Oh, is she? Can she do the exercise? Like, you know, like, what is she doing here? Like, I that doesn't happen to me, but there are women who are in bigger bodies that that happens to and so I just, you know, shared like, this is wrong. Like, bodies do not, size of bodies does not determine if they're a good teacher, a good a good athlete. None of this stuff. The every comment was positive. Every comment was thanking me for sharing, because they felt so seen and so to your point, the resilience of like, I'm gonna get up, I'm I mean, like, if I could punch a bag, that's what I would have done. I'm not a violent person, everyone, but I do think you should punch a bag you know.Brad Walsh 22:46  Yeah or scream into a pillow, whatever it is you got to do,Lesley Logan 22:49  Yes, yes. And so I shared it, and we're talking a 500 comments of women, that is, it was overwhelming. How many people like we're saying, this is what I or like they'll say, like, thank you for saying this. Or some of them are saying, this is what I'm afraid of. And I had to say, like, this is why you have to post, because people don't see that real bodies are out there. They're all the only people who feel like they can post are these 20 somethings. And nothing wrong with the 20 somethings. If you're listening, like, enjoy the metabolism you have while you have it like, have the best time. But we do have to, if we have a story, tell it so that we can inspire other people, yeah.Brad Walsh 23:28  Yeah, for sure. And that, you know what this is, something I love about being a photographer too, is I got to photograph all types of bodies, and every body is beautiful. I don't give a shit what anyone says. Everyone's body is beautiful. It's just a different package that we're looking at that's all and I love that you had the courage to post about it and share it. Because again, and this is exactly what I was saying by you sharing, look at all the comments you got. Look at all the women that stepped up and said, thank you. This is exactly why women need to, not need to. I shouldn't say that. This is why women should be resilient and share and be vulnerable. And I know it's not easy sometimes to be vulnerable, to share your your inner stuff. Think of the impact you can have and who you can help. And that's why storytelling is so very, incredibly poor, important because, and I don't care, I've heard many times I don't have a story. Who's going to want to listen to my story. I guarantee you, as I sit here right now, if you share your story, it will impact one person's life, I guarantee it. And that's all that we're here to do, is have impact. So share your story, as scary as it might be, you can you can edit it. You can decide what parts you want to share. I'm not saying you have to go and share every single detail of your story, but share your story because you will inspire someone else, and maybe by you sharing your story and your struggles, whatever it is, maybe you will help prevent someone from having to go through a similar thing by sharing your story, because you're sharing how you got through it. Lesley Logan 24:14  Yeah. Oh, you. Oh, I love this, okay. I also love the idea like sharing your story even impacts one person. Because, like, if we just, like, who knows? Like, maybe, maybe women are 50% of the population, right? Like, let's just make it even, if you share one, if you share your story and impact one person, you can impact the whole other half of the world. You can impact even just the women around but you can impact, I do think that sometimes we get frustrated with with men sometimes, and it's like, Well, did any women in their life ever tell like, did any woman in their life ever tell them like, hey, don't say that thing that actually you know about others, or here's hey, when you said that, here's a story, like, here's my story, how like that might change it and and that takes courage and conviction. It's not always easy. Some family members suck. So maybe it's maybe it's a co worker, maybe it's a neighbor, but I do think it is important that even if we impact one person, we are changing the world and how it sees everybody.Brad Walsh 25:56  For sure, because that will also ripple out to the person that the people that surround that one person. So you are, in effect, impacting more than one person, because yes, you've impacted that one person directly, but indirectly, you've you've impacted the people around her, because it will uplift her and shift her way of thinking. It'll shift her mindset. It'll help her, which then, in turn, helps everyone else around her, because it lifts her up. Lesley Logan 26:21  Okay. So we've been saying that we should, you know, consider sharing a story of ourselves. We, you know, edit how we want. Where do you like? Where do you get started? What makes a good story? Like we got perfectionist listening. They're gonna want to know some action steps.Brad Walsh 26:36  Yeah, just, just be authentic. Don't bullshit. Don't try and be something you're not. Just be genuine. Tell your story shit. Figure out, drill it down to what you want to share. First, figure out to what part of your story you want to share, and then just share it with authenticity. Just be who you are. Don't put on some facade. Don't put on a mask. Take the masks off and share who you genuinely are. Because I think when you are genuine, when you are authentic, and I know authentic, everyone uses that word, but it's true when you're authentically who you are that resonates with people. People want to see the mess. People want to know that you're human if you're portraying this perfect person that's gone through, you know, with no struggles, no hassles, no, come on, be who you truly are. Share your struggles, but again, you could be selective in what you share. Just be messy, because we are all perfectly imperfect, and it's okay. I think people will resonate with that more when you're authentic and you're genuine, it just it resonates for people, I think.Lesley Logan 27:39  I think so. And I know, like, people have really ruined the word authentic. We got to bring it back, because it's such a good word. I really, and I I think, like, you know, I think some people go, Well, you know, Lesley, Brad, I don't have like, a tragic story. Like, I think people because all the stories they hear is like, somebody like, survived, like, falling off a cliff, and then they turned into, like, some TED Talk speaker, and it's like, hold on, like, you know, like it can, like your story is so it, it will make someone else feel so seen. Like it doesn't have to be that you serve you're the lone survivor of a car accident. You can, you know, you can actually have.Brad Walsh 28:17  No, your story matters. Lesley Logan 28:18  Your story matters. You're correct. It could be that you struggled in school, and then you like, led you to like doing art, and it made you realize, like, you know, art tells I think, that we all are harder on ourselves than we need to be.Brad Walsh 28:30  Oh yes, we are own worst critics, our own biggest hurdles. We are terrible to ourselves terrible. And something someone said to me quite a while back, is when, when I, because I went through I negative talk. Of course, we all do at some point here and there. And I had someone say, Would you speak that way to your best friend? Would you speak that way to your mother? No, of course you wouldn't. So why are you doing it to you the most important person in your life? You. Stop, stop the shit. You don't deserve it. You're amazing. You're incredible. Every single person has a beautiful light within them. It's just a matter of finding it and then shining it. But surround yourself with the right people. Find your like and heart minded people to surround yourself with. Community is everything, absolutely everything. Community, connection, it's community is relationships are currency. You need them. We all need them, but share your story. It's so important.Lesley Logan 29:35  So I get like, what comes up for me on that is like, one, I love that you said we are the most important person our own lives. Like, holy moly. Like, I've never heard it so succinctly, and it's just like, Duh I am if I don't feed myself and sleep and like, I'm the most important person. Yes, of course. And so love that. So you know maybe you can share from your own personal experience, or maybe from. Any of the women's stories you've heard. Like, when you are trying to be more yourself, authentic, share your story. Sometimes your community doesn't exactly like cheer cheer for you. Like, sometimes your community puts those little doubts in your head because of their own fears, of their own shit, and it requires us to, like, find either new community or or or new things to say to ourselves. Like, did you have to go through that when you were making a big transition from, like, corporate to being a photographer or being a podcaster?Brad Walsh 30:27  Like, how did you handle that? So there were a few things when I first, before I was when I decided I was going to make the jump, I had so many people saying to me, are you crazy? There's so many photographers out there, how, like, why would you even do that? It's so you have a you have a good paying job, you have benefit, like, but I'm not happy. So why am I going to stay in something? I'm miserable. So many people stay stuck in that position because it's comfortable, because it's easy, because I have benefits, but they don't want to be there. It's not on their heart. So why you think about the fact that we spend so many years of our lives working? Why the fuck do you want to be miserable every day? Find and you know, you hear the excuse, well, I can't, because I can't. I need money for this. I need money for that. I've got better Okay, great. Those are, those are your reasons. That's your reasoning. Find what you love, start doing it part time, until you can build something up enough that you can do that. I know you know, working a full time job and then pursuing this, but I guarantee you, if you find your purpose, your passion, something that lights you up, that just has creates such a fire in your belly, it will change everything for you. I say it's, for me, it was like winning the lottery twice. Once, because I found my purpose, second, because it impacts people. That's what we're all here for. So when I first left, yeah, I dealt with imposter syndrome. Who the fuck am I to do this? Why would anyone want to work with me, all the things, comparisonitis, I would sit there and, well, why is this person, this photographer, so far ahead of me when I'm here? And I thought I would be here, but all of these things and around that piece of it, I thought, well, when I So, the first thing I did was get a mentor. It was the first thing. He helped me get to the point where that comparisonitis and the imposter syndrome. Well, the imposter syndrome was still there a bit, but the comparisonitis stuff he helped me realize that my only competition is me, as long as I can look back at for me as a photographer and see that my work has grown, my work has improved, that's the only competition now, I don't give a shit what that person's doing as a photographer. It doesn't matter. It has no bearing on me. Because first of all, to compare, comparing someone that's at their five year and I'm at my two year, that's like comparing apples to oranges. You cannot compare the two. It's pointless, right? Secondly, no one has, again, speaking about the photography, no one has my eye. No one sees images the way I see them. No one provides the client experience that I can, because no one else is me. That's part of your superpower. That's part of your gift is nobody else on this planet can do what you do the way you do it, I'm saying. Yes, anyone. I mean, look. Lesley Logan 33:31  I love it. I tell people this. I tell people all the time, you are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it doesn't matter what industry you're in doesn't matter what your dream is. Even if two people are baking an apple pie from the same recipe, it's going to taste different because of what they put into it, what the energy they put into it. Yeah.Brad Walsh 33:50  Give, give three photographers the same image to shoot the same thing to shoot, all three images, I guarantee you will be different in some way, shape or form, because we don't have the same eyes. We don't see things the same way. And so through that mentor helping me with that, I also I had a me first kind of attitude, too. When I first jumped into photography, like I would, I was starting to go in with, go into brands, companies, and say, you know, wanting to collaborate with them. And I was going and say, well, what, what can you do for me? Like, how can we work together? What am I going to get out of this? And my mentor said to me, said that, Brad, I'm You're going nowhere fast. You have to shift that mindset and go into these companies and say, How can I be of service to you? What can I do to help your brand? It will come back to you if you go in with a mindset of service. It's a fucking game changer, I promise you. It will change everything but the comparisonitis, the the imposter syndrome, the nerves, the fears, all of that thing, all of those things. I, the comparison, I just no more. I don't deal with that anymore. I'm done. I've got my tools. And this is the thing is, get a mentor. Watch videos on YouTube. YouTube University. It's a great place, talk to people who are in your industry. Talk to people that are further along in their journey. They have the experience and the wisdom. Ask questions, it can only lead you up. It's it's so helpful. Just trust in yourself, believe in yourself. And I know it's easy to say, but I'm telling you, it will change everything once you start to believe in yourself, don't worry about competition. I'm telling you, it doesn't matter what business you're running, what company. There is no such thing as competition. Competition comes from lack. You are unique. Lesley Logan 35:53  Yeah, I couldn't agree more. We coach a lot of Pilates studios and like, they'll be like, oh, so and so is going with this many classes, and they have this many performers, and I should have the same and I'm like, what are you talking about? You don't even know if they're successful. They look successful because they made it look pretty. We don't know that could be a way that their family is writing off the business and having a loss. It might be purposely there to lose money. And I say that because I had a friend whose whole existence for her business was to bring the couple's money down because their tax bracket was really high. So like, if I was comparing myself to her, who looks like she has it all together, I could have driven my business into the ground. Like, you have to, look, market research is real, do the thing, but then also, like you have to do it for you, and the impact you want to make and the service want to be. I love this so much. And I also couldn't agree more, like getting a mentor is like it was, and this might be a terrible joke, but for those who I went to public school, I was homeschooled, I went to private school. So I can say this, from this experience, I feel like when you get a mentor, it's like taking your your business, or your idea or your passion, and putting it in a little bit of a private school, putting in a little bit of a because you get extra attention, you have smaller class sizes, you you get someone who's really invested in you. And I'm not saying, like, public school teachers, you're amazing. Thank you for all the work you do, but, like, it just takes your thing to the next level, or you can still do all the things for free, but you've got to make sure that you're going, okay, my YouTube University, I this, I It's like I paid for this. I like invest in that to make sure that I'm applying those things I'm learning. Yeah.Brad Walsh 37:31  Comparison is the thief of joy. Do not compare yourself, because no one else is you. And listen, when I first jumped well before I actually jumped into photography full time, I was doing free shoots. Sometimes that's what you have to do, and that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. I did the free shoot so I could enhance and hone my lighting skills. Because I had never worked with artificial light before. I'd always worked with natural light. I had to learn how to pose women properly. With boudoir if you don't know what you're doing with lighting and posing, forget it. You're fucked. That's it. It's over.Lesley Logan 37:54  Yeah, the opposite effect could happen. Brad Walsh 38:03  Yes, so I was doing free shoots for friends to hone my skills and to learn. That's how you learn. And I know people say, well, I don't have the money for a mentor, and there's nothing wrong with that. But what you can do is trade services, maybe, find someone you could trade services, what you can provide for them, and do it in trade. There's nothing wrong with that either. I'm hearing a lot more people talk about doing things in trade. There's nothing wrong with that. Lesley Logan 38:33  Yep, yeah. And especially, like, I think that it's easier to put a wall up than open a door, you know, and I think, like, if you don't have the money, and I've been there, y'all, I have been homeless. I've had, like, credit cards, max to the brim, student loans, all the things. And today there is a podcast for everything you want to do, and that person is giving you, I promise you, they're giving away all the stuff they coach on for free in the wrong order. So if you have you either have money or you have time, and so what you could do is take that free stuff, figure out the right order through experimentation, and not compare comparison, and you will get to where you can actually take the money and invest it so it will work out for you, but you have to believe in yourself. And I think that's really the hard thing is that so many people are hope, looking for other people to believe in them first. And this is where I don't know how to like, truly help everyone I want to help. It's like, how do we get them to believe in themselves enough to take the first step? Because they really are amazing, you know? And they're just, they don't know it, you know?Brad Walsh 39:39  You just have to support them. You just have and you have, it's conversations like you and I are having right now and then taking the time to sit with someone and talk to them and find out hey, why you feel if it's a friend or someone you want to help, why are you feeling this way? How can we help you get to the next level? What can we do to support you? How can we get you there? Because everyone has the ability within them. Every single person on this planet is capable of doing anything, anything, anything in the world that they want to do is possible, you just have to. It starts here with us. We are the foundation for all of it, you have to do the inner work. Lesley Logan 40:17  Oh, you are so, I could talk to you forever. I really hope this is an episode people like, like, I hope they're as fired up as I am from this, because it really there's, there's so much possibility out there. We're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you and your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 40:39  All right, Brad, where do you hang out? You said Toronto. But where do you hang out online? How can people hear more of your amazing tips and these brilliant stories?Brad Walsh 40:43  Instagram, at Empowerography Podcast, my website, empowerographypodcast.com, and Facebook, those, those are the three places I'm on LinkedIn. I'm starting to build up a profile and following on LinkedIn as well. But those are the three main is Instagram, Facebook and my website.Lesley Logan 41:03  Yeah, yeah, no, I'm with you. I with you on the LinkedIn, like, oh my God, if you've been listening podcast for the over 600 episodes, where you guys, I still haven't gone. And honestly, here's where I'm at. I'm just gonna have someone do it for me. I I just, like, I'm not a corporate person, so I don't get half the stuff that it's doing. And I just, I just want to do other things. So that will be my 2026, 2027 goal is to just find someone just rock that LinkedIn for me, but, but I do love my I love my platforms I'm on, so y'all go check them out. Follow, check out the podcast. I mean, if you want to hear resilient stories from amazing women, like, what a great way to fill your cup each week, especially if your community isn't doing that for you. Like, you can start with just hearing a story on a podcast. Okay, Brad, you've actually given us some great tips, but we like them at the end, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?Brad Walsh 41:56  Something that my father always said is what's meant for you will never go by you. So if you don't get that thing that you are hoping for, and don't worry, it wasn't meant for you, and something bigger is around the corner, I promise you, just be patient. Wait for it. It will happen. The universe always has your back. It will never, ever let you down. So like I said, if you're not, if you don't get that TED talk, or you don't get that job you wanted, you don't get that client you wanted to work with, it's okay. It wasn't meant to be something else. I promise you, bigger is coming around the corner for you. So be patient and wait for it. It will happen.Lesley Logan 42:35  I think there's such a good like mantra to have, like, written somewhere, like, start your day with it, end your day with it. Like, because I have to say to myself too, like, what is for me will not pass me. Like, what is for me will not pass me. Because you do get doors, like, you're like, Oh, I'm excited about that. Someone asked you to do something. You're like, Yes, I'm in. And they go, Oh, we're going a different direction. You're like, Oh, it feels so deflating. And then you're like, but you have to remember that like, there's another reason why that space is open in your calendar, in your life. Yeah, yeah.Brad Walsh 43:05  That's right. I just sent an email off to invite a guest that I really wanted to have on the show. And they came back and they said, sorry, her calendar is full, so no. And I just thought, Okay, well, this I wasn't meant to interview her now, and no means next opportunity.Lesley Logan 43:22  Yeah, at least you got an email back. That's great. Sometimes people just don't even say no. And so you're like, should I bug him again? Like, that's a door open for later on going, like, in the new year, like, Hey, how's that calendar? Like we can we have the whole 12 months where we want to put it? Brad Walsh 43:37  That's right, that's right. Lesley Logan 43:39  Brad, thank you. What a great, well, for me on a Friday, interviewing you, what a great way to like end my week. I feel so fired up. For those of you who listen to us on a Tuesday, thank you for listening to the Be It Till You See It podcast. We are so excited to have you. Please make sure you share your favorite takeaways with Brad at Empowerography on Instagram or Facebook, or you can check out their website and listen to their podcast and share this with a woman who needs to hear it. You know, like, even that can be the helpful thing you can say to your friend, like, hey, you've been feeling stuck. Brad Walsh 44:10  He you should check this out. Lesley Logan 44:11  Check this out. Like, sometimes that's the thing that helps people get out of being stuck or being in a rut or feeling like they're not seen. So thank you for sharing it. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 44:21  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Lesley challenges the conventional definition of self-love, revealing how looking outward actually fuels the soul. She dissects the powerful story of a Kenyan marathon runner who chose humanity over a gold medal and explores the controversial theory that kindness is actually a self-serving act. From raising business rates to navigating the small steps of an ADHD diagnosis, Lesley demonstrates why celebrating the messy, imperfect wins is the real secret to preventing burnout. This episode offers a refreshing perspective on finding value in everyday actions rather than waiting for perfection. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 0:47  Hey, Be It babe. How are you? Happy Fuck Yeah Friday. You made it. It's here. We're here. We're oh my God, literally looking at the end of the second month of the year. And it's just like, you know, can it go faster? Is it going too fast? It depends on who you are and what you're doing. So this is the episode we share wins of yours, a win of mine, a little mantra and something that's inspiring. This inspired the fuck out of me. So during the 2010 Zeng-Kai International Marathon in China, Kenyan runner Jacqueline Nyetipei Kiplimo was in the lead when she noticed a disabled athlete trying to hydrate after a few stops along the route. She fell back, ran next to him and helped him, falling behind herself and eventually finishing in second place. So first of all, she's so fucking fast that she could slow down so much to help this person. But also she cares so much about people that she did this, and I it makes me think of like the Maya Angelou quote, like people will forget what you say or do, but they'll never forget how you made them feel. And I don't think I mean, like, would we even know who she is? Would I personally be bringing her up to you if she'd won that race? Probably not. It's been 15, 16, years, probably not. But the fact that she did something with so much humanity in it is why we're talking about her. Because I think in a world of chaos, we need to remember that there are humans in it who are doing amazing things, even if it means, like getting in second place because of it. And I think there's something really beautiful about that. So way to go, Jacqueline. I apologize I said your last name incredibly wrong. So hopefully that inspires you. Maybe it means you're two minutes late to a meeting because you stopped and helped someone across the street. Like there's different things that you can do, we can all do, right? It's easy to be in a rush. When I lived in Los Angeles, I remember kind of being in my own world in a rush. I was in downtown, and this guy, he had one of those, like, seeing eye sticks, walking stick, and he was starting to cross when it wasn't time, and, you know, someone stopped him, and that was what brought my attention it was going on. And then as he's walking, he wasn't in the crosswalk, so I was just like, Hi, sir. Can I, like, walk next to you? Can you come? Can you hear me? Come with me? And, like, it really was, I don't share this to get points. It was an interesting thing for me to, like, go. I am now going to, I don't even know who this person is. You know, there's, like, there could be different. But I can't have this person walking in the street, you know, and how can we just, like, kindly guide them? And then I was like, we got to the corner. I said, Okay, which direction you're trying to go? And I can make sure he was pointing the right direction. You don't have to, you know, like, it doesn't have to take hours. It could take a few seconds of your day. And you know what? It might even mean more to you, to them that might make you feel good, and if you need to feel good, that you know what, it's okay. It's like that Friends episode, like, you know, there's no selfless deeds, and that's okay. I don't think there's, I don't think it's a problem. I think that the more of us, who are, you know, doing things to help others just make the world a better place, that's all. Lesley Logan 3:38  All right. So a win of yours. This comes from Christine Eschen, one of our eLevate grads and Agency members, and I really think this one is beautiful. So, FYF Friday, I haven't been in here for a while, but I'm popping in with some recent wins. I just hung up with a discovery video call with a woman who sent a request for my website. That's amazing. Talked to her about her needs, and she brought bought a beginner's package and is scheduled for next week she wants to come two or three times a week. Yay. Had a wonderful customer appreciation party last weekend, and I'm grateful for the dedicated students I do have. I've raised my rates, and so far, nobody's complained, yay. And I've been getting in some weekly practice with my eLevate partner and friend Heather, and looking forward to the upcoming eLevate retreat in Las Vegas with LL. I can't freaking wait for our retreat, just so excited. I'm on the way to do that. And I just want to say, like so many wins in here, Christine, like getting a lead from your website is because you did the work a while back that was so hard. It's not easy to put words out there. Figure out, is it the right way I want to say this and then hit publish on it, because you couldn't noodle on it forever, right? And you did that. And then there's another one. You raised your rates because it's time, you know, like you aren't a charity, and doesn't mean you can't be charitable, but it doesn't but your business is a business, and it needs to support you and your family, and you know, so you're honoring you and your family, and that's a win. And the fact that no one said anything is because what you do adds so much value to their life. Of course, they're going to pay that, right? So congratulations on that. You're so amazing. Thank you for sharing this. I'll see you very soon. Lesley Logan 5:05  All right, a win of mine. So I am not someone who is very good at making phone calls, like, pretty terrible at it. In fact, my all my friends are great because they understand that we can schedule the call and then I will do the call, but like, I'm not really good at, like, picking up the phone and calling. It's weird to me, and I don't know, maybe that's a weird personality thing. Maybe it's like, I don't I just don't like the phone. I'm not sure. But it came to my attention a little over a year ago that I might have ADHD, well, we I definitely do, self-diagnosed, and also, like, five different people that I've talked to who are, like medical experts in other areas, are, like classic case. But I thought I was just like, you know, okay, great, that's what I have. I'll just move on my life because, like, it's just easier. But I decided to make a phone call, two, in fact, one with my insurance company, to see if I can go to this place, and the second to schedule an appointment, not just get official diagnosis, but to get support tools for this thing. And that, I haven't actually gone to the appointment yet, but I've made the calls, and that's the win that I want to share with you. It can be that simple, like making those calls or doing different things outside of your normal routine, can be really a lot of work can be really hard, and we have to celebrate that we did that. We have to stop putting wins on ourselves, that I have to be this huge thing. I can't celebrate that I did that thing until I do X, Y and Z. It's like, that's bullshit. That is not how you be it till you see it. It's not how you practice self-love, and it's not how you prevent burnout, not how good habits are made. You actually have to celebrate the little things you do in life, and that is it all adds up to be it till you see it. Lesley Logan 6:42  So a little mantra for you. Here we go. I'm a valuable human being. I am a valuable human being. I'm a valuable human being. Yes, you fucking are. So go, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 6:56  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell unpack what having a “Pilates body” actually means, diving deep into the misconception that health has a specific aesthetic. They explore why moving for health matters more than chasing a look, how confidence is built through action, and what it takes to stop shrinking your own story. Through honest reflection and real examples, this episode challenges the narratives that keep people playing small. Listeners are invited to redefine strength from the inside out. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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We just have to. Like, I am massively impressed by these strong women and strong men. They are not tiny people, they are big people, and what they can do is fucking insane. Lesley Logan 0:14  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:54  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the redefining convo I had with Brooke Siler and Maria Earle in our last episode. And if you didn't listen to that one, you fucked up, you missed, you messed up. Brad Crowell 1:09  Game over. Lesley Logan 1:09  I'm sorry. I hate to say it that harshly, but you gotta, you gotta listen. I mean, what are you doing? How are you missing the Tuesday episode? No, I'm kidding. Listen to this. Sometimes people like to listen this, and then they go listen to that one. So if that's you, I'm not harping on you, you're gonna go listen to it, because you are gonna be so intrigued if you missed it. It was so good. It was so fun. Brad Crowell 1:28  Yeah, it was good. It was actually a lot of fun. And there were, like, some great moments in there that I started taking notes. Lesley Logan 1:35  Whoa, whoa. 643 episodes later, friends and he is taking notes. Oh, my God. Well, today is February 19th 2026, it's a Great American Spit Out. We observe Great American Spit Out on the Thursday of February's third full week every year. So complicated. This year it takes place. I have a really funny side note, I listened to this podcast. Brad Crowell 2:01  Third full week. Thursday of the.Lesley Logan 2:04  Yeah, The February's third full week every year. Yeah. So there's this one podcast I listened to, and those, I won't say the podcast name, because if you listen to it, you'll know what I'm talking about. And she always says the date, and she'll say 2000 2026 and it's taken forever for her to go, what I'm not saying it right? They're like, No, you're not, anyways. And that just made me think of it like, let's make it as complicated as possible. Thursday of February, third full week of every year. So would it be the third Thursday of the fullest week in February? Brad Crowell 2:37  Why would the third week of February not be full? Lesley Logan 2:39  Well, because you could start on a for the first could start on a Thursday. Brad Crowell 2:40  Oh, I see. Lesley Logan 2:41  And so that's not a full week. Brad Crowell 2:43  So it's not, technically, the third Thursday, because if the if the week start, if it starts on a Wednesday, the first Thursday is not a full week.Lesley Logan 2:54  The third Thursday of February's fullest week. Brad Crowell 3:00  I think this is hilarious. Moving on.Lesley Logan 3:02  Anyways, they're like, dying to know what this is. So this year, it takes place on February 19th. It's a day to encourage people, especially veterans, to stop using smokeless tobacco products. The important mission of the day. I mean, honestly, this is for everybody. I appreciate that we're encouraging our veterans.Brad Crowell 3:19  All tobacco products, but right now we're talking about the Great American Spit Out, which is clearly talking about dipping, yeah, dipping and other things. Lesley Logan 3:27  Dipping and other things. I guess there's other things. So the important mission of this day is to provide users with enough resources to help them stop using such products that tobacco plant is cultivated for its leaves. Tobacco leaves are rich in nicotine, which is an addictive chemical people can use tobacco to smoke, chew or sniff. The Great American Spit Out as the perfect day to start, to start fighting the addiction caused by tobacco products and nicotine. Smokeless tobacco users are encouraged to quit, even if just for one day. Hey, you know what? You know around here, we are here for just one day. Anything to start. I actually really picked this day because a few other days were quite boring. But my family has a history of smokers and it and all of them had to have surgery, and all of them did not die on an easy in an easy way. So my grandfather, he had a part of his lung removed, like a huge part back in the day when they did those surgeries, it looks like a shark bit him. And they would show us, this is this is our hooked on trucks. This is our dare campaign. My family would pull up a shirt and show us the shark attack. Oh, this is gonna happen to you if you smoke. And then, yes, but your parents did a more, kinder.Brad Crowell 4:25  Yeah, we didn't have any shark attack smoking shark attack (inaudible).Lesley Logan 4:29  Everyone was able to learn, like the way I was raised. And then my mom had another because of the blood, the way his blood coagulated, and his tobacco use started losing limbs. And to the day he died, he still smoked. Because at one point he was like, Well, if I have no feet or legs or fingers, I should at least continue to smoke. And then his wife died of secondhand smoke. She died of emphysema. So yeah, so at any rate. So I also looked up because we are hearing that tobacco products are back on the rise again, partly because, like, you know, the hooked on drugs is your brain on drugs and and and things like that aren't working. But also the youth today, the youth, the younger people today, the youths, they are actually they're they actually don't they have a deeper sense of fatalism, like they actually don't think that they'll be alive as long as the rest of the world has been or in a world that is going to be healthy and clean for them. So why not smoke? Which I get that? Here's the deal. Brad Crowell 5:25  Aren't they drinking less though?Lesley Logan 5:28  They don't drink as much, they also have sex later, so that's cool, or less. Do you know today, the day that we're recording this, I heard that 40 year old women are having more babies than teenagers, and that's huge. That is a huge deal Because, like.Brad Crowell 5:43  That's not what I don't think I would have expected that, but that's great.Lesley Logan 5:46  Well, because now IVF has gotten better and kids are having less sex. So, you know, so I think, but here's the deal. Like, look, we all have our vices. We all have our addictions. And there's just something about cigarette smoke that just and if you're a smoker who listens this, I'm not judging you. I feel bad that you got hooked on that you got hooked on it, and it bothers me, and I understand, like you could be addicted to alcohol and other things that are as bad. But there's just about cigarette smoke that I fucking can't stand. I can't stand walking by a doorway and smelling it. I can't. So if, if, if me wanting to stand next to you outside matters, maybe you quit today, and I know you're like Lesley, this is chewing. Well, chewing causes jaw cancer, you know, so tongue, not not sexy, not sexy. In fact, one of our friends fathers had jaw cancer from smoking, from chewing tobacco, and so we all got to see that. That was my parents way of making sure we never started chewing. Brad Crowell 6:43  The Shark Attack of the jaw cancer. Lesley Logan 6:45  Well, it's not sexy. I'm gonna tell you right now, even if you're fatalistic, you definitely want your teeth you do. So stop smoking, even for today. Okay, let's get into it. So oh gosh, my goodness, babe. Agency Mini kicked off today.Brad Crowell 6:59  Today. This morning. We are, we are, while you're listening to this, we're probably live on a webinar. Lesley Logan 7:05  Yeah? So you can, I think you could still sign up today, but. Brad Crowell 7:08  You sure can. Lesley Logan 7:07  But it's gonna move quick, so and you don't want to wait till the next one, because I know you're like, Oh, I'll wait till the next one. You'll forget about it. So you should just sign up for today. prfit.biz/mini it's for Pilates instructors and studio owners who work for themselves or want to. We are going to get you clarity. We're gonna help you with your business. Brad and I have been around a lot of different fitness business coaches out there, and one thing that they all have in common is treating you all the same and encouraging your business to follow certain templates. And we want you. We've I believe that your business will ride any recession wave if you are differentiated and your services are diversified, and it follows your goals and your life, and that's what we coach. Brad Crowell 7:31  That is. But, so go to prfit.biz/mini. That's profit without the O slash mini, and then in March, we're hitting the road, y'all, in a different way than normal when we when we say we're hitting the road, usually means we're hopping in the van. This time, we are hopping on a plane. We are going to be skipping across said pond. Lesley Logan 8:07  We're going to be in Poland. Yeah, Poland first for the Controlology Pilates conference with Karen Frischmann. That's gonna be a couple of days of epicness. And there's a day where you can get some sessions, and it's just a lot of fun. If you didn't, if you missed us the last time was a couple years ago. Don't miss this one. We don't know when we're coming back, and that's just because the world is really big, and I've got to start going to new places. You know, we need to go to Australia and stuff. So xxll.co/poland and then we'll, we'll venture over. I don't really know if it's I have, you know, when I look at the map, I'm so confused. I don't know. I clearly forgot how to study the map of Europe. So we're gonna go over to Brussels. I'll just say that, because I don't really know if it's up or down, or east or west. We're going to Brussels. xxll.co/brussels, we'll be at Els Studio. P li tells which I just love. I love NFL is listening to this one of my Oh, whenever I hear what else I always think of? What else? Yeah, yeah. From our time with Jay, we would start going, what else? What else? Anyways, xxll.co/brussels that's, when we meet Karen, again. Brad Crowell 9:11  Let's just say that again, xxll.co xxll.co/brusselsLesley Logan 9:17  What you can't you can't hear this fast you can hear. And that's just giving out the fine print. It's Karen and I again, also our friend Ignacio is going to be there. Oh my gosh, I love him so much I can't even wait. So definitely snag your spots to that before it's sold out. And then we're gonna do our second honeymoon and make our way over to London to POT London, and I have some information for you folks. My Saturday workshop is sold out. Brad Crowell 9:45  What already? Holy mackerel. Lesley Logan 9:47  Yeah, it is. It is at max capacity. And there's only a few spots left in my Sunday workshop. So if you are wanting to add classical concepts to your contemporary classes, then you're going to want to go xxll.co/pot xxll.co/pot I'm super excited. We'll have our decks there. Those workshops will happen, and you definitely want to stick around, because there's also going to be a little hangout session that we're doing for our members and our listeners. And then there's a really cool documentary that they are doing. The release, Pilates Anytime is doing the release of at that POT event. Yep, you'll want to be there. Then we're gonna come back. Brad Crowell 10:25  Then we're coming home. Lesley Logan 10:26  And we're doing some fun stuff at home. We have eLevate weekend, we have eLevate retreat. We have business retreat. You know those things you can't come to unless you can, and you'll know if you can. So you got an invite, but what you can come to is something we're doing in May. And believe it or not, May is still springtime. Brad Crowell 10:49  Believe it or not. Lesley Logan 10:49  It's still springtime. And so. Brad Crowell 10:51  News flash. Lesley Logan 10:48  News flash. Well, some people think it's the summer because of the weekend, the holiday weekend, but it is still spring, and we're doing spring training, and it's how to get overhead so this is our overhead exercises. We have a lot of requests for people struggling with Overhead, Jack Knife, Control Balance, High Season, Bicycle Headstands. So what I'm super excited about is that we're going to do a whole week long on all these different classes with different teachers from the OPC platform, so that no matter your body size, height, age, experience, you are going to have a class. It's going to give you tips for for your life, for your practice. I mean, we even have a teacher who's removing overhead exercises from her practice, and so you don't let fear stop you from this one or, Oh, I'm a beginner, or I can never do that. I have contraindications. We will have versions and variations for you. And our goal is it's kind of like. Brad Crowell 10:51  Look, it's how to do it, not necessarily having to do it, right? How to do it, not have to do it. Lesley Logan 10:54  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And at OPC, we're really big fans of like you you learn the variations and the versions replacements for your practice, and then we believe it's brave and courageous that you do that. So we're super excited about it. You're going to want to go to opc.me/events, to get on the waitlist for that, because you'll, you'll, if you're on the waitlist, you'll hear about Early Bird and all that good stuff, and so you won't miss out on that information.Brad Crowell 12:08  Yeah, totally. Well.Lesley Logan 12:10  I'm excited we have. I mean, hello, welcome to the new year. I know it's February 19th, everyone. Brad Crowell 12:14  Busy busy year already. Lesley Logan 12:16  But we just got home. This is our first day in the office. Brad Crowell 12:18  This is literally the first full day in the office, and it's already January's almost done.Lesley Logan 12:23  I know, I know I kind of like it, though I feel very I felt ready to come back to work today. So anyways, we have to get into this episode before that. We have a question from audience. Would you like to share it with me, babe? Brad Crowell 12:35  Yeah. So IG, from IG, Pilates_Rosi is asking, Hey, someone told me that you should always gear out on the Reformer to do the short box series. Yes, no. Do you agree? Lesley Logan 12:48  Isn't always such a strong word? Brad Crowell 12:50  Always. This is why I failed all personality tests, because there's always an exception. So the answer would be fucking no, but.Lesley Logan 12:57  Yeah, I don't always do anything. Brad Crowell 12:58  Oh, right. We don't always do anything ever come on. Lesley Logan 13:00  And also not every Reformer gears out. So then what? Right? Brad Crowell 13:04  Then, what are you supposed to do? Should you be gearing out? Maybe that's a better way to ask the question. So we're not getting into our ADHD-ness.Lesley Logan 13:12  All right, so in an ideal world, your some people call it a sitting box. I call it a short box, goes over your shoulder blocks on the carriage, like a hamburger side, like it's, I guess. Anyways, I'm trying to describe how it goes on the Reformer for visual. But anyways, the short box goes on the carriage over the shoulder rest. That's the goal. So most Reformers will have a peg or some sort of post that is on there, and then there's space, and then there's your shoulder block. And so the box would, one side of the box would fit between that and lock it into place, lock in air quotes, right, would sit in there.Brad Crowell 13:44  So it's not sliding off easily. Still can if you're not paying attention. Lesley Logan 13:44  I mean, you could. You know, people have done funny things, but in an ideal world, you just sit on it, and it's not going to move forward or backwards. It's going to be in place. And then from that position, your feet go underneath the strap and they should. Brad Crowell 14:01  You're facing the foot bar. Lesley Logan 14:06  You're facing the foot bar. Brad Crowell 14:08  Feet go in the strap. Lesley Logan 14:03  In an ideal world, your feet do not rest on anything. That said, sometimes they touch things. There's a difference between touching and resting, right? However, I have noticed in our tours that there are a lot of new rules out in the world, and so there are some people who put the box in front of the shoulder rest. And I think this is because people aren't really paying attention to how they put the box on.Lesley Logan 14:09  So you're saying in front, as opposed to over the shoulder, okay. Lesley Logan 14:10  Over exactly in front. So they put them in front of the shoulder rest. Because I think the boxes are getting damaged because people aren't paying attention to what they're putting the box on. Or some equipment has, like, different things back there on their blocks. They have to go in front of the shoulder blocks. So if you're going in front of the shoulder blocks, most of the time, you're going to gear out. Unless someone is fun size and your box is really big, you're going to gear out. What does that mean? It means you're going to move the carriage away from the strap a little bit so that you can actually have straight, non resting legs when they're under the strap. Now, can the legs be slightly bent, of course. Should they be forced to bend? I wouldn't, because then it makes it really difficult to get into your seat. Makes it really difficult to get into your center. Your hip flexor start pulling you up. So here is the thing that I would agree with.Brad Crowell 14:10  When you say the thing you're talking about now we're talking about the actual gearing. Lesley Logan 14:10  We're going to talk about the exercise. In an ideal world, you place the box on the equipment where the body needs it, so that their legs can be reaching as long as possible without locking out, and their feet are underneath the strap flex without resting. That's the goal. Brad Crowell 14:10  Okay.Lesley Logan 14:10  That's the goal. So it's going to be different for everyone. Some people are going to be in front of the shoulder blocks. Some people are going to be over the shoulder blocks. Some people are gonna be front geared out. But if you are putting the box in front of the shoulder blocks, because that's a rule, most often, you're gearing out. Brad Crowell 15:27  Yeah, because it's now shifting the box forward like four inches. Lesley Logan 15:35  And then, by the way, you have to gear back in, because the straps are measured with the carriage geared in, and so in my opinion.Brad Crowell 15:52  So it's really a pain, that's a pain in the ass. Lesley Logan 15:54  Yes, thank you so much. Just put the box over the shoulder blocks. Why are we doing why are making this harder? Oh, because we don't want just teach people, you have to. I remember my trainer saying, hey, when you put the box on, make sure this part of the leather is underneath the box. Otherwise it will curl in and it will break and it will hurt against someone's neck. Okay, great. Just tell people. This is why we have a weird rule, you know, Hey, you think polite is expensive. Don't damage the box. How about that? Okay? Brad Crowell 16:21  Yeah, don't damage my damn box. Lesley Logan 16:24  So anyways, I just think that like I get, I get, I get why some people make funny up rules, but we are when you change the exercise placement, you change the exercise, and when you change that, it affects the cueing that people are giving, and then teachers are giving out weird ass cues that make no sense to the person doing it, because they're like, well, how do I get my butt on if my hip flexors are overworking, you know? So it's just hard. So anyways, hopefully, Pilates_Rosi, this gives you some ideas to think about. Definitely check out my videos on the short box, and in my flashcards, you can see where the box is placed. You can see how long my legs are. And if you're an OPC member, you can send in a video. Brad Crowell 16:57  You can see how long her legs are. Lesley Logan 16:59  Oh, my God, they're so long. But if you're an OPC member, you can send in a video of your setup for your short box, and I'll give you personalized feedback on where your box goes. There you go. If you have a question, you can send it in.Brad Crowell 17:13  Yeah, send it in. You can text us, 310-905-5534, or hit us up. At beitpod.com/questions, beitpod.com/questions, where you can leave both a win or a question. Lesley Logan 17:25  I want your wins. Brad Crowell 17:26  Yeah. Lesley Logan 17:27  I want your questions and your wins. I want all. I want it all. Brad Crowell 17:30  We want them all. All right, stick around. We're going to talk about Brooke Siler and Maria Earle. Brad Crowell 17:34  All right. Welcome back. Let's talk about Brooke Siler and Maria Earle. Brooke and Maria are internationally respected Pilates educators with over 50 years of combined teaching experience. Brooke, the author of the best selling The Pilates Body dropped in 2000 y'all, has spent decades teaching and researching Joseph Pilates' original writings, photos and archival materials which deeply inspired the new 25th anniversary edition of her book and its expanded chapter on internal sensing and natural movement. Maria, who began teaching in 1997 and previously owned a Pilates studio in Manhattan's Upper East Side, now runs a global education practice from Barcelona, where she moved, I think she said, about 15 years ago, she appears as the model in Brooke's new edition of the book, and was chosen for her grounded, internal, authentic approach to movement, rather than an her aesthetic performance. Together, they're redefining what a Pilates body really is.Lesley Logan 18:34  Okay, so I have to say, and I did say this on the episode, but I had, I have many Pilates people pitched to be on this podcast, and while we talk about Pilates a lot, it's not a Pilates podcast like I know it's for Pilates listeners. But to me, Pilate is a mind body, you know, practice, and sometimes our mind is a little fucked up, and we need help from these Be It guests that we have so we can get into our body around our practice. So, but I really wanted to interview them, because what a e it till you see it story and just how the book came about, how the second edition came about, how Maria jumped in on the second edition. I mean, she was so vulnerable and authentic about all about that, about joining the book. And I love that Maria said, let's celebrate the body as it is. Let's cut to the bullshit of what it means to have a Pilates body. And I here's the thing that's really interesting, right? Like, when I bought the book, The Pilates Body, I wasn't like, Oh, I'm going to look like this after I do this book. Like, that's not how I interpreted the book. It's kind of like, like a runner, like, you know what I mean? Like, what do these things mean.Brad Crowell 19:31  That'd be weird to pick up, like, a Gold's Gym muscle book and be like, Oh, if I do these exercises, I'm gonna look like Arnold.Lesley Logan 19:37  I'm gonna have the Gold's Gym body, you know? And like, I mean, I guess like people, I guess people do, but I think this all stems from just terrible media information on what a healthy body looks like. And so I couldn't agree more with like, with the cut through the bullshit of what a Pilates body means, because we have to cut through the bullshit of like, what a healthy body looks like. We just have to. Like, I am massively impressed by these strong women and strong men. They are not tiny people. They are big people, and what they can do is fucking insane. Brad Crowell 20:07  Yeah like, the dudes who pick up the boulder and carry it down the thing, or those, like weird, like rock that are, like, shaped like, kind of like a diamond, like those, and there are hundreds of pounds. Those people who are in those bodies, those are huge bodies. They're not, they're not. Lesley Logan 20:23  They are stronger than anybody I know. Brad Crowell 20:25  Yeah. Lesley Logan 20:26  Literally any, any of the bodies that we work out with, that we're friends with, that we're connected with, stronger than any of the bodies I know. Remember when we watched, what was that Korean show?Brad Crowell 20:36  The one the 100, the 100, the physical doc.Lesley Logan 20:39  Oh, physic, Physical 100. Brad Crowell 20:42  The Physical 100. Lesley Logan 20:42  Didn't translate well, which is why. But like, it was interesting because, like, they brought on all these different athletes, or pseudo athletes and trainers, and they had all these different bodies, and depending on the challenge, certain bodies did better, right? Like, the mountain climbers certainly slayed the first challenge over the strong men, but then when it came down to the end, you had an equal amount of people who were in bigger bodies and endurance bodies at the same challenge. And so what it comes down to is like, on average, most of us, if we are paying attention to our body and balancing out our strength and flexibility and our endurance, can do a fuck ton of stuff, but so many of us are, like, obsessed with getting smaller, and it's boring. Anyways, I could keep going, but she for Maria, you know, she there was an internal struggle because, of course, like, she was excited about the conversation, and then she's still a human being. So we got to talk about, like, when you look at yourself in those pictures and you go, yeah, I'm a proud of my body. I'm proud to be part of this, but ooh, that's what I look like, and I resonate with this so much. I was, I was doing a photo shoot yesterday, and I was just like, Okay, guys, this is not a sitting outfit. This is a standing outfit. So can you like because, because also it's like, how much of it do you want to be as a just, how much of it is a distraction versus like, the point or, or do we just do it so that people feel real, see real bodies more often? Like, it's, it's such a complicated thing, and your your mind messes with you based on how you were raised. And these stories take a long time, but she said for her, it was bigger than the photos. She said it became about reframing what is in our bodies, to be embodied and to celebrate all the different phases. And I love this so much because, you know, Maria, Brooke, and I, and many people listening, our bodies are in a different part of our journey. So it's just we're, you know, we're not going to look like 20 year olds, nor should we. And then Brooke also was conscious of this issue because in 2000 she had wrote in that issue that she said she hopes, in earnest that the models in the book inspire and don't intimidate, because she chose the original models for their strength and endurance, and also because they knew the work, I think that that's, you know, really hard when you're trying to pick it out and not because of their size and it. And I think even though her heart was really, you know, in there about inspire and not intimidate, like people just have a really hard time reading all the words and applying that to themselves. And so I'm excited for this additional chapter.Brad Crowell 22:57  Yeah, I also just wanted to say I'm glad you grabbed this as your topic, because I when I said I started taking notes, I actually was quoting you. As much as I appreciate the interview, you said something that really stuck out to me. You said we should have always been moving for the health of it and not for the shape of it. Move for the health of it and not the shape of it. In fact, I thought it was kind of quippy little, like, tagline, you know, for the health of it, because it's almost like, for the hell of it. Lesley Logan 23:29  Isn't it so great that I can come up with these things?Brad Crowell 23:33  Also, it's so great that I can hear them and be like, we should clip that. Lesley Logan 23:36  That's your job. Brad Crowell 23:37  Be It Till You See It, baby.Lesley Logan 23:39  Well, and I think that comes from like, I don't know if I mentioned on this episode or a different one, but I read a book called Rethinking Thin and at the same time that I picked up The Pilates Body book, I picked up that book because I was thinking about becoming a personal trainer, and I was doing this personal training stuff. And it was this history. It's a history of dieting and, like, where dieting came from and where the ideal woman's body came from. And it's two fucking things that'll fuck and piss you off. One, it's a cartoon drawing. So that's annoying, because it's not even fucking real. And then the other was on the statue, Norman. So the Norman statue. Brad Crowell 24:12  Is it the one holding the earth? Lesley Logan 24:13  No, but it's just a man. It's just a man. And then what they did for Norma. Brad Crowell 24:14  Oh, Norman, Norman, versus Norma. Lesley Logan 24:19  Norma, or nor woman, from what I understand from it, a book about butts it's, they basically took. Brad Crowell 24:27  I really hope that was the title, A Book About Butts.Lesley Logan 24:29  I think it is. I'll look at while you're talking about your favorite thing, I'll look it up. They basically put boobs on Norman. Well, Norman does not have estrogen. His pelvis is a different shape, like, oh my God, he doesn't even have.Brad Crowell 24:42  Oh I see. So you're they took, they took sculpture of a man and just put boobs, and then said, this is what the ideal woman should look like.Lesley Logan 24:50  This is what a woman looks like. And so I think ideal, I think it might have been average, right? But it's not that's not even a thing, not even impossible. So, anyways, like, because of the book Rethinking Thin, I learned about all the different diets that came around, all the different things that were obsessing about, and also how genetics plays such a massive role on the size that your body is determined to be. And then there's and then you go into the history of, like, when being heroin chic is in and it's always when they're trying to take rights away from women. Like, literally, if you take all the different times heroin chic was in and then you take all the different times they're trying to oppress women, they literally line up at the same time. So it's like, it's a cultic behavior of like, ladies stop eating so you your brain isn't functioning and you're not able to hear how we're taking your rights away. Anyways, what did you love?Brad Crowell 25:41  Well, I just wanted to say shout out to a podcast called Hysteria that I listened to that talks about this all the time, like the women's rights and. Lesley Logan 25:52  Oh, we love Hysteria, yeah. Brad Crowell 25:53  And, you know, like, it's a lot of politics as well, but it's two, you know, very powerful women who really dig in. And it's been really enlightening for me to see this from a different perspective.Lesley Logan 26:06  Yeah, the book is called Butts: A Backstory by Heather Radke. Brad Crowell 26:12  By who? Lesley Logan 26:13  By Heather Radke. Brad Crowell 26:14  That's really funny.Lesley Logan 26:15  If anyone knows her, I want to interview her. But yes, it's about race, gender, control, beauty standards. It's, it's it's a lens of the human backside, and it's really great. But I also just want to say, if you're like, Oh, I get so annoyed when they get political. Ladies, being a woman in this world is political. Just, I hate to break it to you, but it is. Anyways, your turn. Brad Crowell 26:36  Yeah, you're not wrong. All right. Well, hey, look, back to Brooke and Maria. Maria also recounted how her mom often said, fake it till you make it. And I know that we've talked both times here about Maria, but I this really resonated with me, because I actually really wanted to hear you say, be it till you see it is the positive spin of fake it till you make it.Lesley Logan 27:02  I know, but, but I know, and I'm. Brad Crowell 27:03  We're not trying to take away from her. Lesley Logan 27:05  But also it works for her, like it works for her and it doesn't hold her back. So, like, I don't ever want to take something that works for someone away. And so I will let Brooke have fake it till you make it. That said. Brad Crowell 27:16  Maria. Lesley Logan 27:17  Oh, Maria said that, oh, yeah Maria said that. I will let Maria have that, because I think that's important. And also, if that is hard for you or inauthentic, then that's the be it till you see it reframe. That's all.Brad Crowell 27:28  Yeah and it is a reframe and, but it's obviously, you know. Lesley Logan 27:33  It's why always is a terrible word. Brad Crowell 27:36  Right. But she, she, so, Maria said she uses this when she's not quite sure what she's doing, or when she feels like she's not quite sure, helps her bypass the paralysis of starting where, you know, often starting things not 100% sure where they're going, but trusting that she's going to land on her feet. And, you know, I think it's really helpful. There's got to be, you know, it is a weird thing, right? This, this idea of having this internal dialogue of, like, your own internal like cheerleader versus like, you know, antagonist. And I think it's hard to sometimes be in the moment and see this is a time right now where I have to choose to fake it till I make it, right? You know, it's, it's hard to do that, but if you can, you know, being it until you see it is a win. You know, there's, there's a way to to at least get the ball rolling until, because confidence comes through action, right? It comes through doing and experiencing. So if you there's got to be a point where you got to get the ball rolling.Lesley Logan 28:39  Oh, couldn't agree more. And I like, I remember, like, you know, when I had a job in retail, one of the guys who worked for me, I was going through a lot, and I took him for his like, you know, monthly meeting. I said, Are you good? Like, I just know you got a lot going on outside of this. And he goes, Oh, none of that bothers me here, because when I cross the threshold of the store, sure, it's showtime. And that's another way of being it till you see it, or fake it till you make it, like, and I think that that's good mantra for us to have. And I also like, I think we are all putting too much pressure on feeling ready. You know, I don't know that I got to ask Brooke, like was, did she feel ready to like, add to this book? But also, like, this is a big endeavor to take a bestselling book and make changes to it. Like, like, the number of people like this book changed my life. I still have my book from 25 years ago. And then to go, Oh, I'm adding on. Brad Crowell 29:30  I'm just gonna make it better. Lesley Logan 29:30  I'm just gonna make it better. Brad Crowell 29:30  No big deal. Lesley Logan 29:31  And people didn't go, Oh, I'm just gonna keep the one I have. No. A bunch of our OPC members and our eLevate members all were like, Oh, I pre ordered the copy. I'm ready to go and, like.Brad Crowell 29:43  But, but I think this is, like, we're dancing around the word perfectionism, right? You know, like, the the idea of being ready to get started to do the thing, you know, that's, that's very much a perfectionism mentality, yeah. And it's, it creates this fear. That we're not gonna it's not gonna be right or done or perfect or whatever, and that that is debilitating, and also it is, like, the fastest way to go nowhere.Lesley Logan 30:10  Yes, it really is. And like, first of all, I think we, we're also blessed for the second edition of this book to be out, because the additional chapter isn't only a visual understanding of of what Brooke was trying to get in the first book, and also in the research she's done since. But, you know, she got to go through and, like, with 25 years of hindsight, and add into that, and it's, and I think that is a really beautiful thing, because it means the conversation continues, you know. And I think, like, going back to the word perfection, like, even though the book is it has hit print and you can all get it and you should, the conversation will continue. And I think that's what's really cool.Brad Crowell 30:47  Yeah, I think I'm, I'm excited for her, and also I love that she shared, that Brooke shared, oh yeah, I thought it was gonna get away with, like, the easy smack two books together and re release it, and be like, done. And then her publisher was like, No, no. Lesley Logan 31:02  Yeah, I know. I know. I actually really appreciated that, because when we redid the mat deck, we were like, Okay, we're gonna break these things out. And I think Meredith, I remember Meredith going, Oh, you edited every single card. And I was like, Well, yeah, because I thought we could just, like, pull these three out. But then once I did that, I was like, Well, I kind of got her through the whole thing like I now I know too much. I know too much about how it was used, and I.Brad Crowell 31:25  Well it would also have been five years, right? We got a tons of feedback. So I imagine that Brooke was similarly like, inundated with feedback for 25 years which is amazing.Lesley Logan 31:37  Probably, most unsolicited and some solicited.Brad Crowell 31:39  Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. But hey, there's one more thing I wanted to talk about that Maria mentioned that really struck a chord with me. I really appreciate it. She didn't quite say it that way that I have said it, but the story she told herself, right? She, you know, was that, oh, she was just in the right place at the right time to be able to move to Spain, decide to live there and become an international educator, right? That's the story that she told her. She said it was she was spinning a narrative that kept her small, right? And so effectively, that was how she was viewing herself, (inaudible) well, and then when people would ask her, what did she do? How did she do it? She would say, I was just in the right place at the right time, which then allows them to go, oh, you lucked out, right? And she's like, but that takes away from all the hard work and the tough decisions, then the scary decisions that I had to make to get here. And that's not, that's not true. Yes, there's, of course, there's always some element of luck to it, but, you know, she was very intentional about that. And so she started to talk about the that that like addressing the narrative of playing small, you know, and, and I really appreciate that, because I remember when I was working for someone else. I, you know, why did I not go and ask for a raise? Oh, I'm just, I shouldn't even be here, was what I kept telling myself. I'm just the musician that, like I, you know, if I had ever gone through an interview process, they never would have hired me. These are all the things that I used to say to myself to justify the position that I was in, and that's 100% playing small. So I really resonated with this when she was talking about this. And she said today, she reframes her story. She said, you know, what got her here was her grit, persistence and tenacity, not luck, you know? And I just applaud her for I think it's really important that we identify that in our own lives. What story are you telling yourself that's keeping you small?Lesley Logan 33:31  Ooh, good question. Journal on that. Brad Crowell 33:33  Yeah. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those Be It Action Items that we got from Brooke and Maria right after this. Brad Crowell 33:42  Welcome back. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Brooke and Maria? Brooke said the only way out is through. The only way out is through. She said she has a mentor who's a Buddhist, and their guidance has been helping her push through the fear, especially when it comes to like we talked about, how do you make something that's 25 years successful even better, and not jack it up? The only way out is through, right? She said, if I see fear, I'm going to head towards that fear so that I can make it through, right? She said, now, when she has an idea she wants to share, she reframes taking action as sharing, rather than doing a thing for others to react to, which I thought was pretty cool, because what she was talking about you asked her, like, how do you have the confidence to do this stuff? She said she started teaching, and three years later, wrote this book, three years later, wrote this book that has been an international success. Lesley Logan 34:45  Took me six years to get the fuck on YouTube.Brad Crowell 34:48  Right? So that's kind of amazing. And you asked her, like, how did you do that? And she said, Honestly, I just get so excited about the thing that I'm focusing on that I want to share it. And I didn't, don't approach it in the way that, like I'm the authority. Listen to me. No, she's excited about this thing. She's nerding about out about it, and then she's sharing it with others. And that's how you know, that's what gave her the confidence.Lesley Logan 35:12  Well, and also, do you know that, like fear and excitement, the difference is breathing like they're on the same energetic wavelength. But why don't you breathe? Yeah, so if you're afraid or nervous, exhale, and then you can enjoy excitement, because it's the same. Brad Crowell 35:29  That's amazing. Lesley Logan 35:30  According to Gay Hendricks, and you know he is, he is one of the lords around here. Him, by the way, on the day we're recording this, it's not the day you're listening to it. He's 81 today, so, he's an Aquarian. Of course, he is. Of course, that's why I love him.Brad Crowell 35:43  That's amazing. Well, what about you? What was your big takeaway? Lesley Logan 35:47  All right, so I took some of Maria's Be It Action Item as my takeaway. So make sure you have people in your corner. Fuck yeah. If you don't, if your people in your corner suck at life. I know it's hard, it's almost hard to, like, have nobody, but I'd rather you have nobody, and like, you've held a space open for somebody, rather than have people who are who are, like, actively bringing you down. So just keep that in mind. Make sure you have some people in your corner. And she said, it's important that we nurture those relationships that you've built. It doesn't have to be big, but it should be something you can hold on to. And this is interesting, like, I'm always just reflecting, you know, yesterday in our photo shoot like I'm used to having a lot of friends I only saw once a month because we live in LA and there's traffic. And I love those friendships. And they don't have to to me. It goes back to me. It doesn't have to be big, doesn't have to be a weekly relationship, but it is something you have to have tangible. You have to hold on, to have some connections, and those are people you have in your corner. And so if you haven't yet, take some time go through your context, who's actually in your corner? Which nurture? Which relations do you want to nurture back and because in the hard moments, people who show up for you and see you for you are can reflect back to you all the good stuff that you are. And this has happened to me more times than I can imagine. And we have a friend who is recently going through something that's really quite frustrating and awful. And you know what? We don't talk to her very often, but we heard what happened. Someone else told us who's also in her corner. And a bunch of us are like, Oh, here's how we can support you. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and she didn't ask for that help. I'm sure she didn't even know what kind of help we can give. But when you have relationships, you nurture, even it's on a quarterly basis, people will show up for you, and they'll and you'll show up for them, and it's, and it's quite it makes life a lot more fun. Brad Crowell 37:17  Yes, yeah. I definitely agree. You know, I think that we've talked about it before, being intentional about who you let weigh in, you know, or how, how much weight you give to their feedback, you know. So that's important. But I think also too, you know, there was an element to this conversation about allowing life to life and for relationships to change, which I also really appreciated, because I have always had a fear of loss, of letting go, I don't know why, and I've always struggled with, like, friendships drifting apart. And it was really interesting to hear her say, hey, it's kind of okay that that happens, and it allows you to take stock of who actually is paying attention and, like, in your world and choosing to be in your world instead of you, you know, trying to drag people along.Lesley Logan 38:07  Well, and also, I think, like, if they're really meant to be in your life, and you run into them, or something comes up and you call them, it will pick back up. Maybe there might have to be a quick conversation, or, like, why there's been so much space, but it'll pick back up. You know, we recently saw someone I haven't talked to in years. They were a part of my life for quite some time, and I had reflected about, like, why I let that kind of fade out. And when I saw them, I was like, yeah, it's okay. Like, I'm still okay with that decision. And I think it's hard, because we go, should I have a whole conversation with them? Should we dialog? Should we have, like, a whole like, here's why our relationship didn't know you don't need to have those things. You just can move on, because no one is right or wrong in these instances. It's just the way life goes. And you evolve, and they evolve, and sometimes that evolution is together and sometimes it's apart, and you can still support them from afar. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 38:56  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 38:57  Go get The Pilates Body book if you haven't already, you should. It's so good, especially if you're into Pilates, it's, it's.Brad Crowell 39:02  The new one. Is the new one out? Lesley Logan 39:04  Yeah, the new one's been out since December. Brad Crowell 39:05  Great. So, so The Pilates Body 25th Anniversary Edition.Lesley Logan 39:09  Oh my God, if you want to see my reaction to my husband literally opening the package for me, instead of, like, every day for five days, watching me go to the mailbox to open this package, and then he just opened it. It's on my Instagram. It's in December. Brad Crowell 39:25  It would have been in November. It may or may not have happened. Lesley Logan 39:29  Yeah, yeah. It was, I was like, every day he's filming me check the mail for this book, and then the one day he gets the mail, he opened it. Anyways. Thank you so much for joining me. I'm Lesley Logan. I'm just so grateful for you. Make sure you send this to a friend who needs to hear it. We want to hear your wins and your questions, so send them in to the Be It Pod, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 39:49  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 39:50  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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In this special episode, Lesley Logan sits down with Pilates icons Brooke Siler and Maria Earle for a deeply personal conversation that goes far beyond the reformer. As they celebrate the 25th anniversary of The Pilates Body, they reflect on career evolution, friendships formed during lockdown, and the courage it takes to become more embodied as our bodies change. From life as expats to the intentional decision to redefine a global Pilates classic, this episode is a reminder that strength, trust, and confidence are built from the inside out. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How Maria and Brooke's friendship deepened during global lockdown.Why the Pilates Body aesthetic needed to be questioned and reframed.What a Pilates body truly means beyond appearance and performance.Rediscovering Joe Pilates' original archival work to guide embodied movement.Owning grit and sustained effort instead of attributing success to luck.Episode References/Links:The Pilates Body Book, Revised and Expanded Edition by Brooke Siler - https://beitpod.com/pilatesbodyrevisedBrooke Siler's Website - https://www.brookesilerpilates.comBrooke Siler's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/brookesilerpilatesMaria Earle's Website - https://www.mariaearle.comMaria Earle's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/maria_earleLocal Bookstores - https://bookshop.orgReturn to Life Through Contrology by Joseph Pilates - https://a.co/d/0eqSRfGNGuest Bio:Brooke Siler began her Pilates training in 1994 under Joseph Pilates' protégée Romana Kryzanowska at Drago's Gym in New York City where she spent a decade studying under Romana's masterful tutelage. She opened her award-winning Manhattan studio, re:AB Pilates, in 1997 and was quickly embraced by Hollywood's A-list from Madonna to Dustin Hoffman, but Brooke is probably best known for penning the New York Times' best-seller The Pilates Body. The Pilates Body has become the highest grossing Pilates book of all time and she has followed it with titles: Your Ultimate Pilates. Body Challenge, The Pilates Body Kit, The Women's Health Big Book of Pilates and the Pilates Weight Loss for Beginners dvd. In 2021 Brooke launched her long-awaited, passion-product, The Tensatoner™! Brooke has studied anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, fascial networks and cadaver dissection with teachers: Tom Myers (Anatomy Trains), chiropractic physician Dr. Joe Muscolino (Know The Body), Leslie Kaminoff & Amy Matthews (Yoga Anatomy) and podiatristMaria Earle is an internationally recognized Pilates educator known for her warm, charismatic teaching style and deeply embodied approach to movement. With more than 27 years of experience in Pilates and wellness, she draws from decades of hands-on teaching, studio ownership, and advanced education to guide practitioners toward sensation-led, authentic practice. Based in Barcelona, Maria leads postgraduate teacher trainings and online education through her Digital Studio, supporting movers at every stage of life. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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It's about this reframing what it is to be in our bodies and to embodied and to celebrate all the different phases. I mean, my size has never defined me.Lesley Logan 0:27  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:10  All right, Be It babe, this is magical. If you had told me when I saw this podcast, I would have in this conversation, I would have like, no, what are you talking about? So while we normally don't talk a lot about Pilates on this podcast, everything is kind of Pilates to me. I have two incredible, humongously wonderful, brilliant, the biggest hearts of the entire world teachers on today's podcast, and we are going to talk about friendships and life and having brave conversations and and how do you accept an invitation to make an impact about something that is bigger than you? And this is really wonderful conversation. And so Maria Earle and Brooke Siler are our guests today, and we were talking about The Pilates Body book. And I'm honored. I can't believe I'm pinching myself that just fucking happened. I can't believe it. I can't believe I just got off like, two-hour chat with these wonderful women. What is my life? So anyways, I can't wait for you to hear this, and I do think it is a honest conversation about bodies and women and the things we go through. And I hope you love it and that you send it to a friend who needs to hear it, and you know, you tell us all about your favorite parts of it. Here they are. Lesley Logan 2:23  All right, Be It babe, we have like a dynamic duo. I'm not gonna lie, I also totally screwed something up when hitting getting everything ready, because I was so nervous and so excited, because I'm obsessed with both these women, I get to fan girl over them to their faces, which is very fun for me. So Maria and I got to officially meet in in Seoul Korea, but I had been following Maria Earle for a long time, and just watching she's just like, so graceful and so amazing and just wonderful everything she does. And I'm just like, I'm not graceful at all, but I just absolutely adored her. And I love like, I've spent time with her in Seoul, Korea, and so I feel like we'll always have a night in Seoul together. And then Brooke Siler, okay, so I went to, and you might not know this about me, Brooke, but I actually went to Pilates class, kind of kicking and screaming. I thought of that class was like a bunch of BS workout. I told the girl, it's an infomercial workout. It can't do what it claims, but I needed a friend. So I went to the class. And I was obsessed. Became obsessed with this class. I was like, oh, it was the most amazing thing I've ever done in my entire life. And I worked at South Coast Plaza, and I went to the bookstore, and I went to the fitness section, and I bought the Pilates book that was there, it was your book, I took it home, and I did every exercise like in the book. I started going to Pilates every single day. And you had a second book, and I bought that one. I was on the treadmill, like walking, like I was lifted, like I was obsessed. And then some, I moved to L.A., and someone's, like, can you be my Pilates instructor and like, kind of, you know, the internet and social media wasn't really a thing then. And then, fast forward to, I believe it was January of 2020, you were in L.A., and I was like, I have to go to this workshop. She doesn't know I'm so obsessed with her. And I went to the workshop and you taught an exercise a certain way that I had been teaching it that way, and I had no one had taught it to me like that, but I had just figured out like, and I pull straps I want my inner thighs up because it helps me get my butt on, helps me all these things. And you said it, and I was like, oh my God, I'm so validated right now. So anyways, I just had to tell you that, because, like, I you, like, even though I knew it was great, I just, like, needed someone like you to say it. I was like, this is amazing. So. Brooke Siler 4:31  Your little backup. Lesley Logan 4:32  Yeah, a little backup. So anyways, you've been part of my, like, be it till I see it as a Pilates person my whole life, and you and, like, for at least 20 years, and you didn't know it. But now I get to have the two of you on the Be It Till You See It podcast. So we'll start with Brooke. Brooke, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? Brooke Siler 4:48  Yes. Well, first of all, thank you so much for having us. Me, us both. I, yeah, really excited to even have a conversation. I love being in a room with smart women. There's nothing better, really. So my name is Brooke Siler, as Lesley has already told you, I am an author. I'm a teacher. I started teaching in 1994 and then in 2000 I wrote the Pilates body, and it's been that fantastic 15 minutes of fame that has just gone on and on and on for me. I just am super blessed, super grateful. And yeah, I think that's who I am.Lesley Logan 5:25  Oh, my God, yeah, yeah. Then there's, I mean, like, when you have to, like, distill yourself down into a nutshell life, but it is, absolutely, we'll have to get into the 15 minutes of fame that keeps on giving you know for decades. Maria Earle, what do you rock at babe? Maria Earle 5:40  Hi. Also, thank you for putting this together. It's fun to be here with you two. So my name is Maria Earle, and I am a Pilates educator, and have been teaching Pilates since 1997 walked into the first Pilates studio a few years before that, and just never stopped. Anyway, I I'm based in Barcelona, Spain, and prior to that, I lived in New York City and had a Pilates studio for about eight years on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, and took a big leap of faith and moved abroad about 15 years ago, which it's funny when you put a number to it, but, yeah.Lesley Logan 6:29  I know, I know I feel really young until I realize how long I've been doing something. I'm like, oh, I mean, I'm still young, but also we aged in there.Maria Earle 6:38  So yeah, I have a Pilates studio here, and I run post graduate teacher training courses and online things. And, you know, trying to live my best life, basically.Lesley Logan 6:52  Yeah, do the best you can. Like, do the whole balance thing they all tell us to do. You're like, balance gotta work, the balance of work and life. And, you know, you have kids too, right, Maria? Maria Earle 7:01  I have one, though it feels like multiples, but there is only one. I'm like, yeah, yeah, there's one. Lesley Logan 7:10  Yeah, oh my gosh, okay, well, so I guess we can go, you know, we can go anywhere we want, but I actually would love to hear how the two of you got connected, because part of me goes like, did you know each other in New York? And the other part of me is like, so jealous when I hear that you've been doing Pilates since the 90s, like, I would wonder what my life would have been like had I learned it sooner. I'm always so jealous of people who did it in the 90s.Maria Earle 7:36  Yeah. You call that Golden Age.Brooke Siler 7:38  It really was. It really was a golden, I feel like it was, yeah, it was a Golden Age. Pilates. (inaudible) I feel like Maria and I maybe have orbited each other, because we seem to have been in a lot of the same places at the same times, but we didn't actually meet each other, until just 20, what did we determine it was? 2018?Maria Earle 8:01  2019Brooke Siler 8:02  2019 in Barcelona. I came over to teach a workshop at a studio there, and Maria was there, and she was Maria (inaudible) and it was her birthday, and I was like, oh, loud American, oh my gosh, in Spain, in this little studio. And, yeah, we, I, we just kind of got to chatting, but we didn't do much after that, did we? For a while.Maria Earle 8:28  We talked, I think we talked a few times, because we know are we allowed to say this about you living abroad already. Brooke Siler 8:36  I mean, I live abroad. Maria Earle 8:37  That's not a that's not a .Brooke Siler 8:39  No, it's not a secret. No, I live in the U.K.Maria Earle 8:42  So yeah, I think. Lesley Logan 8:44  What if Brooke is like, don't tell anyone I live in the U.K.Brooke Siler 8:50  I'm the witness protection program. But other than that.Maria Earle 8:53  Witness protection program, I was like, I don't know. You know, I'm not gonna. Anyway, so yeah, (inaudible) exactly. I think we connected. I mean, not only do we connect over, you know, Pilates or whatnot, but I think there was, like a real like, wait, you live in the U.K.? And you were like, wait, you live here now? We were both kind of like, well, what are you doing? What? And so there was, I think, you know, I remember a number of phone calls where we were talking about, you know, the, the challenge of, you know, uprooting your life. And in later years, you know, I mean, I didn't move here with children, but Brooke moved with children, and basically. Brooke Siler 9:41  Yeah, mine were nine and 11 when we moved. Maria Earle 9:43  You know, she needed to start running, like, from the get go. She needed to have all the things together, right? I, I moved here as a single person going, lalala. This is great. This is fun. And then, you know, sort of built my life deciding like, oh, I'm really going to stop. Here, and I'm going to make a life here for myself. And, you know, I've never looked back.Lesley Logan 10:07  Yeah, I think that's so I think this is so interesting, like, because we have a lot of people write in, like, how do you make friends when you're older? Like, I've moved and I think, like, that was obviously shared experiences. Like, you go somewhere, like everyone did you hear they went to a thing that they both are interested in, but then you you connect on another level. Like, I think that's the important part of like, having a friendship. Like, you have to, can't just be like, oh, we just go to Pilates class together. Like, there has to be this other shared thing. And it's like, oh, we're both expats, and we both had to, like, start a whole new life somewhere. And I'd imagine Brooke that it's quite challenging to do that with two kids, like, I imagine, like, because you had already written the book by then, the original Pilates Body Book, and then you move. And so then you're like, you have a whole life. You're a best selling author, and then you're like, a mom trying to get two kids into school.Brooke Siler 10:54  Actually, that was the whole point was I had been kind of this, the Pilates Body author, since 29 years old, 30 years old, right? So I was like, Who? And I started Pilates at 26 years old. So here I was 46 or something. I was like, who am I without this? Like, half my life has been this. Can I just be a mom? So when I moved here, I came with my husband's name, like, I was like, I'm not gonna say Siler, I'm not going to tell anyone I do Pilates. My stuff was in the garage. Like I am to be mom, and that's what I can't or mom, my kids totally do not have English accents, but so, yeah, that's what I was going to do. So I joined the PTA because I'm that person, and I, yeah, I made like, you know, we went to the pub and did the pub quizzes and did all that stuff while the kids were in school. I was mama, and of course, then what did I end up doing, teaching the teachers Pilates for free. I was like, hey, let me come and give you guys Pilates because you I like, how do you do this with kids that's so challenging. Let me do something for you. So I came and started teaching every Friday, giving them Pilates session, you, I can't get away. You can't get away from it like it's who you are. If you're a teacher, you're a teacher, and if your art is is Pilates. Like, you know, I feel like my, my vocation is teacher, and my, my medium is Pilates, you know.Lesley Logan 12:15  I understand that. I think like I, you were all going to teach something that happened, that we, you know, someone probably told all of us that we should become a teacher, and we're like, okay, I'll do that thing. Yeah, yeah.Brooke Siler 12:29  Pulled me back in. And it wasn't till lockdown. That's when Maria and I really came together, and that's when, yeah, my whole Pilates World opened right back up again.Lesley Logan 12:40  Interesting. So, like, did you guys? Because, I mean, obviously we've heard, like, I think it was Esther Peral was, like, the Covid was, like, the great accelerator, like, if you were gonna do something, it was gonna, you were gonna do it, and it's gonna do it faster. So you're either gonna, like, if you're gonna break up with someone, you broke up with them faster. If you were, like, Brad and I, we picked up our life and moved as well, and I did it three years earlier than we thought we ever could. And, and, and so, like, was that the great accelerator for your friendship? Was it a way that you guys got deeper because there was not as many distractions? How did that go?Brooke Siler 13:09  Yeah, what do you think Maria?Maria Earle 13:11  I think so. I mean, I so agree with the great accelerator. I mean, I always think about, I mean, for our friendship, for sure, but also, you know, stepping into, stepping into newness, in terms of professionally, stepping into things that, otherwise, you know, it was the kind of the kick in the ass that I needed for a number of things that I'm totally happy to talk about. Lesley Logan 13:36  Yeah.Brooke Siler 13:38  (inaudible) About it because we were, like a little women's group. There was four of us.Lesley Logan 13:42  Yeah, okay, if I obviously, what happens in a women's group stays in women's group. But like, if there's something we can talk about from women's group, I would love to because I think this is where, this is where a lot of women I find our listeners are, they can get really lonely, or they they want community, and they seek community, but then, you know, someone doesn't show up to something, and it gets easy to take it personally. Like, how did you guys have a women's group, and what did you just talk about?Brooke Siler 14:07  It was, it was a movement. I mean, we were working out together, is what it was. So, like, two, three times a week, we were working out together and.Maria Earle 14:15  And then doing a lot of chatting afterwards. (inaudible) Talk about, like, set your morning aside. I mean, like, don't book any clients until after 12. There is just, there's just too much that needs to pass.Brooke Siler 14:33  Everything, you know, everything that was happening in Covid that was so amplified was happening around us. And so we would sometimes, you know, we'd get on the we'd go to work out, but someone had had a morning, something had happened, someone had seen something and and we would, you know, tears and sharing, and yeah, we yeah, all the things happened, yeah, yeah. But it was an unlikely like, none of us really knew each other knew each other before. And, yeah, we're an interesting foursome, actually.Lesley Logan 15:03  I love but I love it because it's like, I think, you know, you said side of the time, and it just evolved naturally. But also, like, when women do get together and they're and they share that, and they can be vulnerable, you know, they say, like, you know, movement is how, like, we like, trauma can leave the body. We can heal the body. Like, it's so important. I have a yoga class that I go to, and the first few minutes are kind of somebody bitching about something, and then we get into the yoga and then by the time the yoga is over, whatever that was like, moved out of all of us. And then, and then you can wrap up the conversation, if somebody needs to. And I sometimes kind of wish it went an hour longer, you know, I can imagine what a wonderful way to, like, very therapeutic.Brooke Siler 15:44  There's the physical workout and the emotional workout. They both kind of conjoined. Maria Earle 15:50  Yeah and when you just, when you just commit to it, you just lock into it, and that just becomes your non negotiable. Like, that's just, that's just what I do on Tuesdays and Thursday mornings, like, you know, sometimes things would come up, but we.Brooke Siler 16:07  We're committed to one another, to ourselves and to one another. Lesley Logan 16:10  Yeah. And that's like, so, okay, this is the hard part, right? Because, like, we're all teachers here. And like, we have the clients who, like, you know, they want to come three times a week, and then they and then they book, you know, this coffee date and this thing. And then we have the teachers who also say they want these things, or the women who are like, not necessarily teachers, because this is not most of the people don't even do Pilates listeners. But like the people, like they're they want this, but it is a commitment, like it is an actual like, you are not just coming Tuesdays and Thursday mornings until noon, but you're making sure everyone in your life knows about it so that it's things do come up, but they're kind of rare, because there's rarely, like, an actual emergency that can't be done on another day, like, there's, you know. So how did you guys, like, how did did you tell, like, Maria you have a kid, did you tell your one kid and Brooke, I'm assuming your kids are a little older now, but like, were they aware that, like, hey, leave me alone. This is my private time. How did you get the commitment to be something you could come to without the pressures of, like, all the guilt of all being a mom?Maria Earle 17:07  I don't know. I blocked it out. Brooke Siler 17:09  Yeah, me too. What guilt? That was our time?Maria Earle 17:15  No, I don't know. It's funny because I actually, I.Brooke Siler 17:20  Also we have boys, I feel like that needs to be said (inaudible).Maria Earle 17:25  Yeah, maybe, I mean, you know, it could have been messy, like, I don't know, but I know that it was time, not only well spent, obviously, But it was time that was so important to me that I just, I figured out how to make it work. And, you know, maybe sometimes I could only log in for a little while, or, you know, sometimes I'd say, like, I gotta, I gotta go. I gotta go, you know, I I just, I want to, I want to check in. I want to say that I love you, and like, hi, but like, I have all this going on. I, that's it. That's all I got for you. They'd be like, you know, bye, we need just that little bit of like, you got this, you know. Lesley Logan 18:16  Well and it also it sounds so it sounds a little bit like one, you know, you needed it for yourselves, and like, you did that, and they were, like, unapologetic about that. And then two, you found the right people that would understand if you couldn't, and they wouldn't take it personally, and they wouldn't hold it against you. And I think that's where a lot of people have screwed up in their groups, of their friendships. It's like they kind of have kept people from a long time, and you know, like, aren't good at voicing what they need or or even knowing what they need. So then it, it gets muddled, and it becomes an uncomfortable situation.Brooke Siler 18:48  I'm I'm wondering now if maybe what worked in our favor was that we weren't friends beforehand, really. We kind of we, we solidified the friendship, but actually we grew the friendship in lockdown. So we were learning about each other. So it was not only the interest in showing up to move, but we were also interested, I think, you know, in each other and one another, and each one of us had so many amazing things happen to us. You know, Alicia started a podcast, and Karen, like, set up her studio. And, you know.Brooke Siler 19:18  Maria bought. Maria Earle 19:20  Oh yeah, I bought my studio (inaudible). Brooke Siler 19:23  We were there for for all these things, you know. And we could share, like, hey, what do you guys think? And each one of us so has a different kind of forte, and we just feel like the universe just kind of made that all happen. So, without too esoteric, it really was yeah meant to be we and we yeah I think it became that, like.Maria Earle 19:45  It became a rock.Brooke Siler 19:46  You do, yeah.Lesley Logan 19:48  Yeah, and then and, I mean, like, life the world is open. Have you been able to keep the Tuesday and Thursdays together, like you guys still hanging out? Brooke Siler 19:57  It became different. It's shape shifted. It's. Not the same. It's more like, you know, yes, the world is open. There's so many other things going on. I mean, listen, I had to write a book just to see Maria again. I mean, that there was that moment of like, yeah, after having written the book, I was then like, oh, someone actually has to be the model in this. Who and I just, it was immediate. It wasn't even, like, a second I didn't even have a second choice. Like, had she said, no, I was screwed.Lesley Logan 20:31  So, so, so we're, I mean, of course, everyone's like, hold on. We have so many questions about this. Like, women's group, but we're gonna move on, guys, because we only have so much time. But like, if you, if you Brooke Siler's name does not ring a bell from The Pilates Body book, but, but that we, you know, I've literally moved with every apartment. It ever moved with me and into this house, and it didn't even go into a closet, like it's on the shelf. You know, because I think it represents, like the time when I was, like, I was, I believe so much that people can have an independent Pilates practice. And because I was like, but this book gave me that, like, I was able to have an independent Pilates practice. And I I think that, like, that's so necessary for the world we all live in today, to have, you know, to have enough Pilates in our life, whether you're a teacher or not, you need to have some way of doing it. So I was trying to look it up before we started talking, when did you write this book the first time?Brooke Siler 21:24  I started writing it in 1999 and it was published in 2000. Lesley Logan 21:28  Okay, so that's wow, so it's been 25 years. So then you had so then you're like, I'm gonna write it again. I guess.Brooke Siler 21:36  I was like, we should celebrate. It's 25 years, and I still have people coming and saying, oh, my God, my career started because of Pilates, because of The Pilates Body, and that was the first book I ever had, and I've heard that for 25 years, and it felt like, definitely, you know, the, Pilates is bigger now than ever. And I was like, how amazing would it be if we if we did a 25th anniversary, and I brought my literary agent, and she was like, yes, love the idea. And then we brought it to an editor, and they were like, yes, love the idea. And they were like, but, and I just thought, actually, I could, you know, there's that one copy of the Joe Pilates book where it's two of his books together. I thought it was going to get off really easy and just combine the first two books. And so I said to the editor, can't we just put the two together and make it.Lesley Logan 22:21  This one too. Brooke Siler 22:22  Yes, exactly. Wouldn't that be perfect? And then I don't have to do anything. And they were like, No, you have to put new material in there. And I was like, oh, okay. So I hear the things that are of interest to me at this time, like I'm doing a lot of deep work on breathing. I'm doing a lot of deep work on this (inaudible) and that's a whole nother topic, but they chose one, and that was what I went with. And so when I started doing the deep digging, it was, I mean, I had already done the deep digging, I should say, but then starting to try to put it into terms that could be easily understood, and how to make it blend deeper with Pilates. And it was stuff that I was doing that we were doing in our Tuesdays, Thursdays, you know, I always come with ideas. I'm like, hey guys, let's try this thing I've been playing with. And there they were just always game. They were very generous with me and allowing me to test out all of my crazy ideas on them. And yeah, so this one just kept sticking. And then I was teaching online classes, and people were like, writing me afterwards, going, Oh my God, I feel amazing. I can't believe, like, what this feels like. And I was like, okay, cool. So I not only wrote it, but I was like, listen, it's 25 years. I'm going to rewrite all the they didn't give me a budget to do all the photos again. So the photos are the same as they were, and the layout is the same, but I pretty much rewrote everything, like, I updated the language and put in new variations and a lot of archival, you know, just bringing Joe into it, because lockdown, I dug deep, deep in Joe's, you know, treasure trove, and put, like, instead of looking outside of Pilates, I just went back in. I feel like it's that when you go to the dentist, and they used to have the treasure chest and you could pick a toy, it's like, I just went, I did a deep dive into the, Maria, I did a deep dive in and found all. Lesley Logan 24:11  Maria, your dentist didn't have a treasure chest because mine did. And an aquarium, okay? And I would watch the rocket fish go across like I was my favorite.Brooke Siler 24:20  Yes, exactly, yes. So I just yeah, I think, you know, I was pulling stuff out and trying stuff, and they were loving it. And that's the way my mind works. I feel like lockdown for me was an incredible like, everything shut down, out, out, and my brain just went absolutely mad creative. Like I just couldn't stop creating. It was, it was amazing. Lesley Logan 24:44  So you're listening to this everyone. The book is already out, like we're talking about this before I've had my hands on a copy. And of course, I'm like, now (inaudible) even more than I was when you first told me about it, but like I do so and I'm excited to hear what Maria's response was like. Like to also You were telling her, I'm gonna redo this. Like, there is something about, like, Okay, I think we should celebrate. It's gonna be easy. But then it's like, okay, great. Now I've get to redo it. The in the redoing, it's like, you there's things that you can change, because you've had 25 years of teaching on top of it, 25 years of testimonial, 25 years of hearing people say they love this, or have questions about this, like, not many people get a redo and in life, you know, so. So Maria, when she came to you and said she was redoing this, is there anything that like you were the most excited about, that you were like, like, what? What part did you get to explore with her, that you were excited to be in the book?Maria Earle 25:38  Well, my, my role is a very tiny, tiny little role.Lesley Logan 25:43  No way, no way, no.Brooke Siler 25:47  Let's just call bullshit on that. I mean, it's not.Maria Earle 25:50  That is not true. What I mean to say is that, basically, as Brooke said, right, she had been developing these ideas and had an opportunity to basically add a new section to the book. And needed, and needed wanted to have somebody to to be the model for that new chapter. And I got to be someone who sort of got to be in the behind the scenes, like I got to sort of be in her brain a little bit while she was, you know, having this explosive sort of creativity moment, you know, I got to, I got to experience firsthand, you know, her process. And that was amazing. And, you know, I mean, I guess we could joke a little bit about this Brooke, because she she said she sort of hinted to it earlier when she said that, you know, she wanted me to do the book, but you know, she was like, if she said, no, you know, what was I going to do, right? You know, so I think so it took her a little while because she knew that I might like run for the hills when she's asking me to be the, you know, the model.Brooke Siler 27:05  The Pilates Body to be out there. Yeah. Maria Earle 27:08  I was like, Brooke, are you crazy? You know, is like my first reaction, you know. So, you know, do you want to do this? You know, before I'm 50 or after I'm 50, you know, I do you? You know who you're talking to, right? You know I was like, so is this, like a wedding boot camp kind of thing that I need to, like, get myself, like, totally, like, in shape or whatever.Lesley Logan 27:49  Whatever that means, yeah, yeah, yeah.Maria Earle 27:51  And she was like, No, I want you to just be you and talk about leap of faith. Talk about, like, stepping into, like, the scary bits and saying, Okay, I I trust you, yeah, and I believe in your vision, and I want to step into that space 100% because it is what I believe. Like, let's celebrate, let's celebrate the body as it is, like, let's, let's give it a whole another dimension here, you know, let's cut through the bullshit of what it means to have a Pilates body, and let's reframe that dialog. And no, I'm not going to get photoshopped as much as I, you know that little my head is like, well, could. Brooke Siler 29:04  We had a lot of conversations. Maria Earle 29:05  Couldn't they just a little, no, right? So it's like this, like inner dialog of over months and months, you know? And that is powerful and beautiful. And I, I could not have asked for am better partner to to do that with, and, you know, a safe space to like, be, no, I'm going to step into this, and I'm going to do it big, and it's going to be, it's going to be yeah and and, yeah. It feels great to be a part of something that is, it's bigger than me. It's bigger it's bigger than the book. It's bigger than us together. It's bigger than all of it. It's, it's, it's, it's about this reframing what what it is to be in our bodies. And to embodied and to and to celebrate all the different phases. I mean, my size has never defined me, and I have been, you know, I am not the size I was when I was 25.Lesley Logan 30:18  Nor I and probably not, right? I I love that we're going here, because I just have to say, like, we're recording this two weeks after so my youtube channel hit 40,000 subscribers, which I'm at the time, this is where, and I was so freaking stoked, because, like, I did it without, like, putting I did it without, like, doing a, you know, tits and ass workout, without, like, you know, the fake Pilates, like, we'll call it Pilates, but it's just, mostly just sit ups, like, I did it without, like, put on, I did it with, like, just educational support. And I'm so proud of what we did. And on the day that we hit 40,000 somebody wrote, your stuff is really great, but you used to be thinner, and it was really, the videos are really great when you were thinner. What happened? Of course, other subscribers are like, this is not helpful. This is why teachers and trainers are afraid to gain weight. Like, wonderful, supportive stuff and to and like, my response to this per and the person doubled down. So in case we're wondering, like, maybe it's a cultural thing, like, we have a house in Cambodia, and people will inquire, like, oh, you're bigger. Why? Because maybe you're rich. They want it like, like, you know, like, that's kind of different cultures. Have different experiences. So, so I was trying to like, so in case we thought maybe it's a cultural translation thing. No, they doubled down. They said it's a calories in, calories out. She could have better discipline. Oh, and to which I got pissed off, because I don't, I don't have the body I had at you know, when I discovered, when I when Pilates discovered me at 22 like I am, first of all, I am no longer sick. I no longer have digestive issues. I now absorb nutrition. I also like happen to look a lot better with curves. Thank you very much. But I, for the record, like I told I went online and told people, yeah, I've gained 40 pounds. I am the most disciplined person I know. I probably do Pilates more than people other people do who have different bodies than me. You cannot have fat phobic comments on my channel. This is wrong for so many reasons. I hope you have space and grace for yourself and others when your body's changed, because they will and it's and I really appreciate you sharing that journey, Maria, about your body too. It's like, I think so many teachers and so many women are afraid to put themselves out there, whatever their thing is. We can even switch Pilates to being an author, being a speaker or being a doctor, like every woman is so afraid. Well, I don't look like whatever x is supposed to look like. And so people are going to judge me. And then, because they don't put themselves out there, because they're afraid they'll be judged, then the only people that are out there are 22 year olds in their super cute outfits that have never looked good on me. And so, of course, like so then people think that's what it is. And so then we have this whole misunderstanding. Brooke Siler 33:05  It's really, it's a, it's, yeah, it is dysmorphia, and it's a really sad commentary, and it's, and, you know, I'm, don't let me get started on a patriarchy, because I will. Lesley Logan 33:16  We can, but yeah. Brooke Siler 33:19  You know, it's, it's this. It's not only an unrealistic ideal, but like, who's even the one coming up with that shit? It's just ridiculous. And the thing is, we've all bought into it at some stage in our lives. And certainly it's something that, you know, it can be on so many different levels. But Maria and I were talking about this too. There was plenty of times, like, even, you know, you'd want to Photoshop this, or there's the cellulite there, and there's the whole thing, and in the end of the day, we're wiser than we've ever been in our lives. We are more powerful in our own ways than we've ever been in our lives. We can move beautifully in at our this age in our lives. I started taking tennis last year. I go three times a week. One, I've never in my life played tennis. I started at 56 you have to love that and like, fuck it. I don't care if my thighs are thicker. I'm like, really enjoying what I can do in this body. And that's what a Pilates body always was. I did even look back in 2000 when I wrote the book, the if you go through the three models at the beginning, there is a passage at the Afterword that says, I chose these three models because of their they were teaching because they're teachers. Their ability to do the actual movements and endure the long photo shoots of the day, they happen to work for me. So that was very easy. They were there. I didn't do like a whatever they call that, a model call, you know, they they worked for me, so it was perfect. They were amazing teachers who were had modern dance backgrounds, so they were strong as shit, and they were beautiful. And I wrote, I hope in earnest, that they that they inspire and don't intimidate. And I wrote that in 2000 because for me, I already knew it's not about having a skinny you know, body, a particular type of body. It was just they were there to model the work, and I knew they could do it. And these are longer days of shooting. So with Maria, I knew her. I knew her work, because we've been working out together for years, and I could see her power and what she could do with her body. And I thought actually in the way she moved, coming from Kathy Grant, but she has this beautiful way of moving different than what I experienced from Ramana. So I loved it, and I thought it fit so perfectly. And it was very much about, you know, it's got a lot of Maria in it too, which is this beautiful, you know, soul. It's about sensing internally. And so it's, it's a kind of, it's a really nice, I think, flip. It's not that the work. I mean, she killed it, I will say, and I'm just going to admit this, I knew she was going to do an amazing job. I really, I can't actually believe how incredible she was, really. And she knows I say this all the time to her, because she, she killed it. She was a superstar rock star, like, if she couldn't get the thing, she was like, save it. We'll do it again at the end. Like she just, there was determination, like, nothing I've ever seen. It was a very long day of shooting, and I it was like, yeah. I was like, wow, that was really the right choice. I mean, I knew it was the right choice from the beginning. It was, it was a no choice choice. She was a no choice choice. It was just gonna be Maria or it was gonna be no one, and thank God, she took a day, I think, like a day, right when I asked you, and then, like, the next day, she was like, right, I'm good. Because I remember saying to my husband, like, what if she didn't do it? Like, I needed to be her. It's just her. It just was her. It was like, meant to be you. So. Lesley Logan 36:40  Oh yeah, but I, and I, Maria, first of all, like, I don't, I you, there's something about you that's just so magical that you could even, I don't even know, I don't know if I could take the day, I probably would have been like, I'm fucking scared. And, you know, but you know, like, I don't what, what did you think about? What did you? Did you journal? Like, what did you, what? How did you how did you contemplate the decision? Because you're correct, it's hard to find the words for it. It is going to be bigger than this book is any bigger because, because the book was already bigger than Brooke already, and so and so. And also I just want to say, like, I love that there. I love that the height of Pilates being so popular. This book is coming out again, because I do think it brings some authenticity to the work that we're doing. So what did you do during the day to, like, come to the decision we all want to know how you contemplated?Maria Earle 37:30  Well, I think, I think definitely it was a process. It was a number of conversations, you know, and and I knew in my heart that I that I had to say yes, I knew that it would be a major regret if I let fear and you know, like the little the little naysayers, you know you shouldn't be doing that, or what business do you have? You know nobody wants to see you know you. I knew that all those little voices that I ultimately would regret letting them win. So I knew that I had to say yes, and then basically I had to work backwards from the yes to convince myself that I was okay and that, that, you know, and luckily, luckily, I got good people on my corner, so, so whenever I felt like I needed to, oh God, oh God, what have I done? I'm not ready for that. Wait. I need that boot camp, you know, I maybe, if I did lose, you know, the 20 pounds that I've gained, you know, in the past 10 years, perimenopause is kicking my ass, you know, what if I, maybe I could, oh, God, like whenever I would sort of hit those high rev panic moments, you know, I just have to go to Brooke and whoever else was, were my rocks, you know. And you know, while I'm like, circling and, you know, and I can't land right, and they would be like, it's okay, we got you. This is going to be amazing. This is this and that, and.Brooke Siler 39:20  (inaudible) believing the people that see you like you almost have to see yourself through others' eyes like it was no doubt in my mind that you were perfect, perfect, but I just that's you know, you had to go through your process to get there, and I had to respect that. But yes, I was going to tell you how amazing and beautiful and stay as you are and like, think about how many people get to look and say, Oh, I feel that's me. I'm there. I'm being represented. It's, yeah.Maria Earle 39:52  I mean, because it's important. It's about, it's about really stepping into, stepping into that space, and that stepping into that space is really scary, but I show up that way from my clients every day, yeah, but I don't necessarily show up for myself in that way, and that is something that I don't like to admit. So I am admitting it here, and I'm admitting it now, but you won't ever hear me say it again. No, I'm joking. (inaudible) Maybe now I'll be able to say it more often, which is, like, I, you know, I fall into the same body traps, you know, even though I, I will with my clients and with the teachers who I work with, and, you know, my friends, I like show up with body positivity, and you are beautiful and you are powerful. And I don't, let's not worry about the, you know, the extra little curvy there, like, let's get strong. Let's get moving. Because it's about the moving, and it's about feeling strong, feeling great in your body. It's not about how your body looks. I do that for people all day long. And then when it comes to myself, it's like, right? Until it's like eating you up inside. And so and so the process, the process is not overnight. It's like a long term, term thing. And you know, the book's gonna come out, and I'm probably gonna hide under my covers for every day. Lesley Logan 41:17  For a few minutes, and then we're all gonna drag you out.Brooke Siler 41:21  We're coming in after you for sure (inaudible0.Lesley Logan 41:25  I'm gonna text you the day after it comes out to make sure that you're like, I I appreciate and that you said those things, because it's true. Like, I think we all hear like we're all that for our clients, like they body shame themselves, like, hold on, we're reframing that. And in the process of loving the body that I'm growing into. And, you know, there is all the things, because we were raised in, as our brain was developing, we were raised with the five minutes of tone here, the this here, like I was in modeling, and, of course, like I was like, working out all the time. And you guys went at a commercial agent and a modeling agent, and on the same day, the modeling agent said you're not thin enough, and my commercial agent said you're getting too skinny. And I was like, oh, I don't actually know what to do today. Like, I don't know what to do today because I'm now not hireable in commercials, according to you, but I'm not hireable enough because the modeling agency want to be a fitness model, but I wasn't toned enough to be a fitness model, but I wasn't skinny enough to be a model, model, and so, like you so and so here's, here's what I did. You guys, my agents were across the street from a fonuts, which is, if you've ever been to L.A., it's a non fried, gluten free donut shop. Okay, so the donuts are not fried. It's only gonna happen in L.A. and I I fucking went to the donut shop. I was like, fuck it. I don't even know what to do, and I consciously eating my feelings. Right now, I am an adult enough to understand. I do not, I have a therapy session around this, but I was just like, no one is going to be happy. And that is what I like sat on this bus stop with my donut, and I remember, like, no one's happy, and I told my husband, I said, I think I'm gonna let go of the agents. And I don't know what that means, because I don't I wasn't like wasn't like, wasn't like, I was I wasn't a dream of mine, but I was also like, I can't like, I can't handle these people and my own thoughts, like my own reaction, like, I can't my own thoughts of like my body changing and who I'm becoming, and trying to get healthier and absorb B vitamins, you know, anything to live on this planet like, and also have outside people tell me things like, so I that was, that was when I actually let go of but I will say, like, because we all go through that we can be very body positive and still have these things about ourselves. And I, I think it's hard to admit, but it's also like, it's, it's just honest, and it's a process, because I do think that in people falling in love with their bodies and seeing different bodies doing these strong exercises, they're still going to have their own thoughts to themselves. I can't do that. That's not what my body like all the and we have to go, you're going to have all those thoughts, and you're still invited to this party, because, like, we should have always been moving for the health of it and not for the shape of it. And I don't know when we stop working out for the shape. I don't know when that stops, but I do appreciate your honesty there, Maria. And I think it's I'm excited for what people are going to say and see and do.Maria Earle 44:37  Yeah, and also I would say, I would say something about to sort of bring a couple threads through that in that deep dive that Brooke did, like really looking into the archival work and looking at, you know, the pictures that Joe took doing his mat work, like we we sat with the book, you know, during the photo shoot, like we sat with the book and we were like, how is he doing this? As opposed to, and no, no zero shade, but different than looking at a manual or the gorgeous models that were in book one, right, that were all contemporary or ballet dancers who were making shapes, beautiful shapes, that were in very much influenced by the an esthetic that comes from dance. So you know, Mr. Pilates' swan is not a full extension with fingertips facing the ceiling, right? But we have that in our manual as like, that's what the swan dive is supposed to look like, right? And so we bought into an esthetic that doesn't necessarily, really, it's not, it's an it's an it's just that, it's just the esthetic, period, right.Brooke Siler 46:09  It doesn't even serve the body in the same way that when you realize what Joe was asking, and I always kind of joke about this, how many times I looked at those pictures in the book before lockdown, you know, for years before, because Romana had them on her walls and all of that. And in my mind, he was not in great form, not matching what I was being told. So, like, he needs to do this, he needs to soften his knees. He needs to and then when I started, really, and I've read those books a lot of times. I mean, honestly, before lockdown, I had already they were dog eared and highlighted in every color anyway. But then I went back in and, you know, every time you reread something, you read it with new eyes you because it's where you are. You need it. It meets you where you are in that moment, and it met in this place that was so perfect, because I really read it, I really I heard it, I saw it, and I thought, let me try what he's actually saying, because I had not, not done that. I just, blind faith, went with what I knew from my teacher, of course, who you know again, no shade there, either. Like, fantastic. It got me so far. But then being able to take Joe's words and his vision and his you know, he wanted to help us really be in our bodies and move better during the day. So when we did it that way, when we really got into the nitty gritty of what he was asking, and then the feeling like Maria was saying after the photo shoot, that she was like, Oh my God, I feel incredible. Like, not exhausted, and, I mean, maybe exhausted from the energy of it, but like, the feeling in the body is a good feeling, as opposed to.Maria Earle 47:53  Not fighting the body I was not, I was not fighting myself doing the exercises. I think that's, I think that's really, I think there's really something to that, you know, that you're not in a battle against you and the exercise, or you and the shape, and you trying to get into the shape, be the shape and and, you know, you'll see, you'll see the pictures. It's, it's not rocket science. It's not anything incredibly incredible. It's actually pared down. It's actually not performative, and therefore it's, it's, it's gonna resonate at a different level. And for some people, they're gonna be, like, it's just that.Brooke Siler 48:42  I said there's gonna be people who just rip the new chapter off and throw it away.Maria Earle 48:46  Like, well, what is this? You know. But if you're ready for it and you're in, you're willing to, like, excavate, and do the, do the work, as they say, right, then you're going to be like, Oh, this is this. This there. This is different. This feels different. This is, this is me being in my body in a different way. It's in my body in my way, as opposed to in somebody else's way, where I'm trying to, you know, do that, yeah, that what's happening down there at the end of the line.Brooke Siler 49:34  Very internal chapter in its own way. You can, you can enjoy it for the beautiful photos. But really, what's happening inside Maria in it is what's really, it's about and, and it's, you know, it will, it will be a new thing that people can take or leave. But it's really, I dug deep, and then I combined it with this natural thing called pandiculation. Which is what dogs, our pets, do all the time. You know, this, this lengthening and it's and then when I looked at the archival footage, pictures of Joe and the videos, I was like, Wait, that's what he's doing. And that's what he was saying, natural law of nature, how we move. Watch the animals. I was like, you know it was. And so, yeah.Lesley Logan 50:23  Yeah, yeah. I, I'm, thank you for saying what pandiculation was because I was like, I'm gonna have to look that up.Brooke Siler 50:28  And by the time you're, you know, this comes out, you will.Lesley Logan 50:32  but I can't wait for that. But I it's true. Like, my, my dog gets out of bed every morning, and he does both stretches, right? And I like, look at that. I'm like, I don't, I don't get out of bed and go. Lesley Logan 50:41  But he, you know when he does it 30 or 40 times a day. And they do it every time they move, because we don't like if you try to stretch your dog, they don't like stretch. If you try to pull your dog's leg, they don't like that. What dogs are doing? Pandiculation was fascinating. And when we do it, when we it's basically the word for yawn and stretch. It was developed in the 70s, whatever. Anyway, when you yawn and stretch, we think we're stretching, but we're actually contracting. So when you do this, you're not actually stretching the front. You're contracting the back of you and then releasing. And it becomes a signal that's sent to the brain so you actually learn how to regulate your muscle tension. It's phenomenal. Joe didn't say the word pandiculation, but he absolutely asked us to do what the animals do, and that's what the animals do, because it circulates your blood. It's so freaking cool. I just can't wait. I honestly, you know. Lesley Logan 51:37  I keep watching. I sent Brooke a little gif of, like, someone like, watching the mailbox. I'm watching the mailbox. I'm like, she's like, Lesley, I don't have my copy yet. And I'm like. Brooke Siler 51:47  My copy, yeah, no, I can't wait. Lesley Logan 51:49  I I'm really, I'm really stoked for this. I think, I think also, we're ready. I think there's a huge part of the community that's ready for our conversation about this. I think women who are, like, seeking actual Pilates class, are seeking this conversation, and I think you're giving people permission to do it at home, which has always been something that, like, I'm a huge fan of like, I just think that, like, we keep saying we want Pilates to be accessible, but it's not necessarily like about the price of classes, y'all. It's like making sure they have the ability to do it independently, on their own, because I truly believe that that is where confidence is built. It's like creating this agency within themselves. Like, I can do this, you know, I can look at me, I can do these. I can do this move. I can I can feel this in my body, and then go on the day. Like, I think women especially need that internal strength and agency that, yes, it's great to have a teacher like any one of us, to have eyes on you and like to give you some actual corrections. But also, I think sometimes we are always outsourcing. People are like, what are we? Am I good enough to somebody else's opinion and and really, I just want women to have that. So when you Brooke told me about this, I was like, fuck yeah, I'm in whatever it is you're doing I'm in,Brooke Siler 53:06  Developing that sense of internal trust, instead of always asking for the approval to come from the outside. Way to get to start approving of ourselves, feeling that we can trust what we feel, what we know. I don't care if you're I always tell my class it doesn't matter what I say. Literally, if I come over and I'm in your face saying, lift your leg. Lift your if it is not right for you, do not do it. Do not listen to me. Please. You have full permission not to listen to me. Listen to you. Only you are in your body. Only you know what you're feeling. So it has to be a joint you know, conversation that's happening, it can't just come from one side, so I am also really here for the conversations that will come from this and, yeah.Lesley Logan 53:53  Okay, we, I think the three of us could talk for hours, and we're, I'm already, I sorry, I looked at the clock. Hope you have a few more minutes. We're gonna take a brief break, and then find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you and your Be It Action Items. Lesley Logan 54:08  All right, ladies, we'll go. So what Maria? Where do you hang out? Where's your favorite place? She's gonna drink her tea. Where's your favorite place for people to connect with you? How can they work with you? What do you got?Maria Earle 54:23  So people can look me up, find me, contact me through my website mariaearle.com I also have an IG handle that is my name, Maria Earle, and yeah, I would say those are the two best ways to connect with me.Lesley Logan 54:41  Perfect, Brooke, what about you? And where can they buy this book? If they haven't gotten it already?Brooke Siler 54:47  It will be at all your favorite booksellers. I hope, I mean it's, you know, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, all those kinds of great places. And hopefully we'll get it into, you know, small bookstores too. I love the old (inaudible) bookshops.Lesley Logan 54:59  But also, they don't sponsor the show, but I heard, I heard it's bookshop.org, y'all, if you want to support small business, small bookstops, you can look there and see if it's there. When you buy it there, then they send money to a local bookstore. I don't know how that works, but that's what the commercials say. And do you do you hang on Instagram? What's your website? Where can they find you for more?Brooke Siler 55:17  I think it's pretty simple. So it's BrookeSilerPilates, all one word, and that's the website. That's my Instagram handle, that's my Gmail account, BrookeSilerPilates@Gmail. (inaudible) It's a one-stop shop. Yeah, so you can and I'm very I do like, I am social. I do like sharing and hearing back from people. I feel like it's really funny on Instagram. I'll put something up and be like, tell me what you think. And everyone's like, this is great, but nobody answers like, the question, yeah. I'm like, no, no. I really mean it, like I actually want to be in a conversation with you, but.Lesley Logan 55:52  Yeah, no, I feel the same. Brooke, they don't, they don't do it for this year. Brooke Siler 55:55  Yeah. I don't need the flattery, like, thank you, but I don't need that. I just really, actually want to know what do you think and what do you what are you doing? And, yeah.Lesley Logan 56:04  Yeah, yeah. Well, you know what, that'll be our next that'll be our next thing is like, how do we get women to share what they're actually thinking without thinking what they're thinking is wrong, you know? But that's, that's another in the next 25 years. Okay, I feel like I have tons of takeaways, but I still we have to in the show how we always end it with our Be It Action Items, so bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted, steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? Well, whoever wants to go first?Brooke Siler 56:34  I mean, yeah. I mean, so, you know, I listened to another podcast you did where that came up, and I realized that it was the orthodontist. She was wonderful, and yeah, and I was thinking I felt quite similarly. I just kind of never believed that I couldn't, that I can't. I just do I don't, I don't sit. And there are things that I sit in question for sure, I think I have, like many women, you know, the fear of being judged. Who the hell wants that? There's nothing nice about that. So there are times that, like putting myself out there can definitely, I can feel stopped, but I'm, I believe very much in pushing through that. And I, I have had a Buddhist mentor since for like, 18 years now and so. And she's always like, you know, the only way out is through. So you just, you push through. You go through that. So I push through fear. Like, if I see fear, I'm gonna head toward it. It may take me a while, but I'm going toward that number one and number two. I don't know if it's just some innate sense of confidence. I just when I have an idea, I want to share it. And when you, when I think of it as being something that I'm sharing, it doesn't feel like it's a scary thing. I'm like, I love it. You said you love it. Let's just do it, it. It's just like that. So I think, for me, when I think of it as sharing, rather than me doing something for you, then to react to it's much it just makes it much more palatable to move forward, because I love sharing. I'm a group, I'm a group, I'm a, I'm a. I like my independence. I like to be on my own. I do a lot of stu

This episode is a reminder that wins don't always have to look flashy to count. Lesley shares the story of a young woman who refused to accept rejection—and proved what belief in yourself can unlock. You'll also hear a powerful community win about walking away from work that no longer fits and choosing freedom instead. Plus, Lesley reframes her own win as something many people overlook: staying consistent as a beginner and celebrating progress without needing perfection. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The story of Sabrina building and flying her own plane.Why being told no does not mean you are not enough.Believing in yourself matters more than external validation.Letting go of work that no longer fits can feel like freedom.Why being consistent at something new still counts as a win.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsSabrina Gonzalez Pasterski - https://beitpod.com/sabrinapasterski If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:43  Hello, Be It babe. How are you? Oh my gosh. It is February. It is the day before a holiday that even if you think it's a Hallmark holiday, maybe some of you don't even know what a hallmark is anymore, but even if you think it's like a made up holiday, I do think it's the best time to tell all the people that you don't tell you love all the time, that you love them, you know. And also, on this day, you realize how great pink and red look together. I mean, they look so good together, right? So these are episodes where you do some inspiration stuff. We talk a little bit about the things that you're kicking ass at. You get a mantra to get on with your weekend. Super fast, super easy. Hopefully you find these fun, let me know. You can also send your wins in for me to shout you out on a Friday's FYF episode, to beitpod.com/questions so you can leave questions or you can leave wins. Super fine. We answer questions on Thursday's episodes. Lesley Logan 1:32  So this inspired me. So Sabrina Gonzalez Pasterski, at 14 she built an airplane in her garage. 14 years old, built an airplane. Okay, pretty amazing. At 16, she flew it. At 21 she graduated MIT with a perfect 5.0 GPA. Now she's solving mysteries that stumped Einstein. Stephen Hawking cited her in research before he died. Jeff Bezos tried to recruit her, and she said no. So we'll put the link to this whole story in the notes. And also, after I read this, I discovered that the Wright brothers had a sister who kicked some ass and they wouldn't be where they were without her. So just kind of amazing what women have done in that space. So essentially, she built this plane, then she learned how to fly it, then she applied to MIT, and they're like, you're not good enough. And so then she actually sent them a video of her flying her plane that she built, and she just did some incredible stuff in her time there. And also now she's studying really amazing theories and quantum gravity with, like, where, like, what about small things and gravity, and what about black holes and where do things end, and she's just, like, solving problems that, like, these people who are super famous for trying to have ever done. So really, really cool. Thank you, Sabrina for inspiring us all. And I just want to say, like, want to shout out, like the door was shut on her. She was told like you're not enough, and she didn't believe them. And I think that that's super important. I think all of us need reminders that just because someone says no doesn't mean that it's a no and that you're not enough. It sometimes means that you need to knock again and go, hold on, let me show you again, or it means you need to knock on a different door, but if you really believe in who you are and what you do, that is all you need. And I think it's really easy for us to look for external validation. Of course, we want external validation, but you got to have the internal stuff too, so you can fight for yourself when you need to. So way to go, Sabrina. Lesley Logan 2:18  All right, so your win is from eLevate grad from 5.0 and she also was on my retreat the year before in Cambodia. So she said last year, that was in 2024, I went on Lesley's retreat to Cambodia. During one of the workshops, it hit me how miserable I was. I was teaching at a company almost an hour away, teaching five plus days a week as a lead instructor and master trainer. I had no time for myself, and was lucky if I got Pilates in more than once a week. When I returned from Cambodia, stepped down as a lead instructor and gave up all of my shifts except one. This is the first step in making big changes. As I wrote in eLevate just after a few months after returning from Cambodia, once I started eLevate, I realized that I no longer believed in that company's Pilates training that I've been thinking about it for a while, and no longer wanted to teach it. I notified the corporate that I would not be returning as a trainer for them in the following year, but I needed to finish out my current class. I also started making time for me again. I was practicing Pilates regularly during this past year, I started working at two boutique studios, which are much closer to home. One is a classical studio. I've been building my classes and privates there. There's so much more freedom at both studios, and I can teach the way I want, with no rules. My current class of trainees has one week of training left, and I will be free of that commitment shortly. So congratulations, you're free. Yesterday, I gave my notice I'd be leaving this company completely in January. So we're one month out, way to go, and we'll be giving up that one last shift if I feel an incredible weight has been lifted and I'm ready to start the next chapter in 2026 I'm grateful to Lesley for opening my eyes and to the fact that I don't have to settle and don't need to work for a corporation that I don't believe in. I'm excited to see what 2026 brings, if you're still reading, thank you. I know this is long. Laura, this one is amazing. And also shout out to all the changes you've made. I'm so glad you came to Cambodia, because I think eLevate would have been a different experience had you not had that realization the months prior. And you guys can all come to Cambodia and have that experience that Laura has had. A lot of people have that, and we've had people come back multiple times, because it's kind of a nice little milestone to reflect on. So anyways, I just want to say, like, we all do this, right? We all get into a position that we believe in and we loved, and then over time, it no longer fits. Like a pair of jeans that you bought, they no longer fit. But then you're like, oh, but I've had these jeans forever, or these jeans cost so much, or, you know, like, maybe these jeans will fit again. And we try to convince ourselves to, like, stay fitting those jeans, instead of just going, you know, I could just buy a more comfortable pair of jeans, or I could just go seek out, or I could try something new on. And I'm just so I'm so fucking stoked for you. Laura. So yes, this one is long, but I love it, and I think many people will resonate with the win. There's so many wins in here, each milestone in there of you taking back more of your time and putting yourself out there to be in a new space. You know, those are humongous wins. So shout out to everyone who you know turned something down this week or let go of something this week. Those are wins. Lesley Logan 2:31  All right, so now for a win of mine. This is going to sound hilarious, but I think it's important to see that there's wins in everything. I started a commitment on Q4 of last year that I was going to learn how to, like, just blow dry my hair. I have a lot of hair. I definitely screwed up along the way as my hair grew out. I didn't like, learn how to keep up with that, and then it just got really long. And I like it really long, but I like pretty much it only looks good the day after I see my hairdresser, and then it doesn't do anything at all. And I was I told my hairdresser, I think it's time I learned how to use a blow dryer. And I'm not gonna say I'm great at it. And by the time you're hearing this, I probably have only out of the four months I've been trying, I don't blow dry my own hair one week of those four months because I get my hair done. So we're only at like, 12 attempts, but it's really fun to be a beginner at something and try something new and and even if it just gets my hair dry, you know in the winter that that's great too. So so I don't have to become a professional blow dryer person, but I definitely can get good-ish at blow drying my own hair, and that's my win. So see, wins can be a lot of amazing, easy things. Imagine you're probably like Lesley, I had that win when I was 12. Great. Did you celebrate it? Did you? Lesley Logan 2:39  All right, so your mantra for the weekend is, my future is bright. My future is bright. My future is bright. Yes, your future certainly is. You're amazing. Thank you so much. We have an interview for on Tuesday, a recap on Thursday, and another FYF on Friday. So send your wins is so I could shout you out. Have an amazing day, and happy, I guess, Galentines, how can I say, be it day, be it, be in times day. There you go. All right, go Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 7:41  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Being it till you see it isn't about pretending you're confident or pushing yourself harder than you can sustain. In this final episode of the self-love series, Lesley shares practical tools that make self-love doable instead of overwhelming. From simple breath practices and journaling prompts to boundaries, forgiveness, and celebrating everyday wins, this episode is all about choosing one small way to show up for yourself. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why self-love is not about faking it or overdoing it.How breath and music create an easy self-love practice.Journaling, mindfulness, and gratitude as tools to shift self-talk.Using boundaries and forgiveness as acts of self-respect.Celebrating wins and honoring your body to reinforce self-love.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsBook: Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It by Kamal Ravikant - https://a.co/d/04df4sfiEpisode 559: David Corbin - https://beitpod.com/ep559Episode 628: Frances Naudé - https://beitpod.com/ep628Episode 400: Gay Hendricks - https://beitpod.com/gayhendricksEpisode 319: Nikole Mitchell - https://beitpod.com/ep319UCLA Mindfulness Education Center - https://www.uclahealth.org/uclamindfulThe Five Minute Journal - https://beitpod.com/5minutejournalBuy Yourself the F*cking Lilies by Tara Schuster - https://a.co/d/0e0IF322Self-Love Mantras - https://blog.gratefulness.me/mantras-for-self-love If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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It truly is knowing who you want to be and loving yourself enough to do the things that get you there. Lesley Logan 0:13  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:55  All right. Welcome back Be It babe. How are you? Okay. So we are finishing our self love series for now. I mean, maybe we'll add on to it. And also, it's really crazy. Is in between recording one and two, I interviewed two amazing women who will come out at different times, but they were, they were validating how important the series is and just the words that they were giving. And so I know that the Be It pod is always giving tips on loving yourself and and, you know, getting to know yourself. But I'm hoping that this episode gives you some tools, some simple ones. I have some that you guys sent in. So thank you so much. And then just some things that to think about, right? And then we'll also do a burnout series. And they, they, they go hand in hand, and they go hand in hand with the habits series, right? So all this to say that being it till you see it is not about faking it, and it's also not about overdoing it. It truly is knowing who you want to be and loving yourself enough to do the things that get you there. And you're not going to like everything, right? It's going to it's not going to be easy if it's easy you'd already be there and then you have something else to want. So this is the tools episode. So if you didn't listen to the first one, please go back to the first one, because I think what the first one, what we talked about, was, what is self-love like? Why do we struggle with it? Why do we need it? And then what does that look like, right? So now we're in the tools, tools for loving yourself. So in preparation for this series, one of the one of the things that I actually read that I thought the whole series would be about, and it's just part of it. There's actually a book. It's called Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It.Lesley Logan 2:30  And the first half is a bunch of tools, and the second half is a journey of him falling back in love with himself. And that part is actually a really quick read, and it's beautiful, and it's like short snippets, and the vulnerability is really amazing, and the tools are really cool. So one of the tools in the book that I particularly liked and have used, are you ready? You will play a song that you like that makes you feel good. Okay? If you don't know that, here's a simple one. Go into whatever music app you use, hit instrumental music so that it has no words, okay? And then just hit play on one. Then you're gonna close your eyes and listen and for the length of the song, every time you inhale, you say, I love myself. And every time you exhale, you let something go. Inhale, I love myself. Exhale, let something go, right? Just let enough. You just let the air go inside, If your mind wanders, you just go, am I inhaling or exhaling? I'm inhaling. I love myself. I love me. I love what I do for me. I love who I am, right? That I really like because there's a lot of tools out there, and I might even say some that I'm like, okay, I think this could work for somebody, but it might not work for me, and that's fine, right? That's there's gonna be tools that don't work for me. Maybe that doesn't, but I actually really love that. Really love that one. Here's a couple others that I think are fabulous and might work for you, don't work for my ADHD frame, but I that one I love, that one is easy to do. I can do it while I'm driving, you know. So, all right, some other tools, so tools to foster self-love include mindfulness and meditation and journaling to process thoughts and practicing self-compassion by training yourself with kindness and other helpful practices or setting boundaries and practicing gratitude and celebrating accomplishments. We already talked about what self-love looks like, and self love looked like, having self-compassion and kindness and having boundaries. And so, of course, the tools include doing those things. But if they're hard for you, how do you do them? And also, like, I'm a big fan of, like, what am I supposed to journal? What am I doing anyways? And so, of course, you're you know, journals are there to help process your thoughts and emotions and protect your experiences and gain a better understanding of yourself. But like, what do you journal? So some of the past be a guest have mentioned a few different things of journaling. And so one guest, David Corbin, he said, just grab a piece of paper. Write a question at the top of it, close your eyes and meditate on that question. And with your eyes closed, write down stuff. Because there's also like, something about like, your brain will remember what you wrote down and what's important will be there. But sometimes just getting off the page, we've also had people who talk about, like, the morning pages, just like getting up and writing things down on a page. And not even worrying what it is. In our Tarot episode, we talked about, you know, like, you can draw a card and then have reflections questions for that card that day. So there are a million different ways, if you also just are, like, I need something better. Look just literally Google journal prompts for self-love. Okay, you'll get something. And then you can journal that you can't do it wrong. Now, I don't particularly like journaling on a computer, so I will say that might be something you might want to do in an actual journal. And I know you might have a reader handwriting I can't read mine, but I do think it's really helpful. I notice when I journal regularly, I get to the bottom of like, Oh, I'm in fear right now, you know, it's sometimes hard to self-reflect without being able to write down the things that are on there. Lesley Logan 5:45  Mindfulness and meditation. So I actually this, UCLA has a Mindfulness Institute, and they actually have classes on mindfulness and like, you can mindfully suck on a frozen grape, right? Like, mindfulness is that you can mindfully walk like you can go outside and just like I'm gonna take one step in front of the other. So mindfulness is really about being present. Meditation is like sitting down and like clearing your head as best you can and focus on your breath. And something I love about meditation experts is that you can, if you if your mind wanders, just go, okay, and now I'm back right? So there's a ton of different meditation practices out there. If you've read the book Breathe, there's some really great breath work meditations in there. And so I highly recommend, if you don't have a meditation or mindfulness practice, what I would suggest you do is, like, actually, kind of go on a journey of trying out ones that you would like. This is part of the self-compassion. This is part of the boundaries. This is part of the self-care. The self-love is like, love yourself enough to go, Okay, do I like sitting still for five minutes? Oh, do I prefer walking around the block without my phone, right? Do I prefer walking with one footstep in front of the other? Do I like a guided meditation? Do I need to hear someone's voice? Do I like a breathwork meditation? What kind of breath work meditation? Do I like box breathing? Or do I like, you know, Wim, Hof style, things like that. But if that is like, Oh, that'd be a great tool for me to practice my self-love. Then use the habits series to help you figure out a time to do that, and then try out different types of meditation till you find one that works for you. And then I love that self-compassion is going to come next, because you can't have the compassion for yourself if you don't find that meditation practice on day one, right? So it's all self-compassion is basically just like treating yourself the way you treat others. And you know, here's the thing, if we are having people who are like you're you're treating wonderfully, and they're treating like crap, it's because you're treating you like crap and you're like you're getting friendships that are like that, because that feels comfortable to you. So really have some self-compassion talk to have the same kindness and love for yourself as you do with other people. And the same thing when someone else has a mistake or makes it struggling with something like with something like notice how you treat them, and how do you treat yourself, and and you can't do all these things at once, my love, so pick one of these to work on at a time. Lesley Logan 7:50  Positive affirmations. So some people like this, we had Nikole Mitchell, she had a lot of affirmations on Post-Its around her house, and she would take them down when people came over because she didn't want people to know what was going on. But I love having, like, have positive affirmation. There's apps out there that throughout the day will, like, even send you a positive affirmation. Like, have that if that's what you need, especially if you're not so good at noticing the things you are doing wonderfully in this you know, I noticed a lot of people have a hard time sending me wins, right? Lesley Logan 8:18  A gratitude practice. So this one is interesting. Some people in the coaching world love a gratitude practice. Some people hate it. There's like, The Five Minute Journal that's really good about this. The tulip book I was listening to, like,Buy Yourself the Fucking Tulips. Talks about writing about 10 things she likes every day. Some people think that, like, this is stupid. Your gratitude practice doesn't work. Eventually you, like, just keep repeating things. I would say at that point, then you'd move on to a new practice. But if you don't have a gratitude practice, here's a thing about gratitude. My therapist told me, your gratitude and judgment can't live in the same space, right? So if you are struggling to have self-compassion, then I think a gratitude practice is a great way to get that as a tool under your tool belt of self-love. If you're judging yourself, I want you to write down three things. Say three things, I'm grateful for this I'm grateful, like, I'm grateful that I washed my hair today. Like, I think it could be really good. This one's gonna be harder, but I do think it's important. Forgiveness, giving yourself permission to forgive you of past mistakes. So that might include, like, having a moment of grief, or some time you might come up with this in journaling, but like a lot of times, people keep things in their life, or do things in their life that they know are harmful to them longer than they want, and it's hard to let those things go. So sometimes they keep them around because, you know, it's easier to do that, but it's bad, and then we don't, because if we get rid of it, then we have to face this. Oh, my God, I I can't believe I let myself have that in my life for so long, and that's where forgiveness comes in. Self-love is forgiving yourself, right? Maybe your general practice is like, what do I need to forgive myself about? Right? So that you can use these tools together. And then limit self-criticism, and this is where I would encourage you to get a friend involved, and when you are being self-deprecating, which Gay Hendricks, who's episode 400 would say, in his book, The Big Leap, that self-deprecation is actually just part of you pulling like a bit as an upper limit problem, right? But if you are judging yourself or being hard on yourself and it's around people, then I need you to have someone in your life who's gonna go, okay, that's not helpful. We did this in Cambodia, like anytime someone apologize, I told this in another episode, not helpful, right? Not helpful until you can get to the point where you're going not helpful to yourself, right? It can take a village to get unravel the habits we have, right? So behavioral lifestyle tools that would be setting boundaries, you might have to actually just start saying no to everything until you can and then say yes later, because, like most, for the most part, you can say no to a lot of things and then change your mind. And so maybe it's that you have to come up with something in your notes, it's something that I had to do for a long time. Was like, in my notes, I had, like, three different ways to say no, that I could just copy and paste. Oh, it's amazing. I need to check my calendar. Oh, I think we have something going on that night. Let me, for right now it's a no, but I'll check, and if I can change I'll get back to you. Oh, my God, thank you for thinking of me, I feel so honored. I need to take a moment to take a look at my calendar and see if I can do that. Right? Though, all of those were easy for me to pretty much plug and play into almost any invitation anywhere. And then I could get like, the urgency and need for me to be responsive to people. I could solve that. But then it gave me it bought me some time to, Do I really want to go to that thing? Do I want to spend time with those people? Right? No, is a complete sentence, by the way, and so, but it can feel hard, especially if you're not used to it. And the other thing is, like, when you are setting boundaries, you might have to tell people hey, like we had Shari Teigman on the on the podcast coming up, and it's possible it already came out, might come out after this. But this, but I really encourage you to listen to that episode if you haven't, if it's been already out, and if you haven't, then listen to it maybe a couple of times. But she gives some great tips about how to tell people. You know, Hey, before, I was okay with this, and I'm not now, and so it is okay to have been okay with something before and not now, and it might mean addressing that with people who it's not now for, but it's not an attack on them, and it's not that they're an asshole. It's just that you no longer are able to be available in that way, right? And then the thing is, when we set boundaries, we just have to enforce them, and it's not easy. But again, write down different ways. Like, okay, if you know someone's going to break a boundary or asked to do something at a different time that you didn't want them to do, have a pre written thing out. Ask the AI to help you. Hey, my friend wants to change this thing. I don't want to be up at that time. Like, how can I write this thing? It will write it for you. Copy and paste it right until you can figure out how to say, no. You know, oftentimes people don't care. We overthink things. Oh my gosh. I watched this, like, really funny reel where, like, was based on, like, horoscope signs. And like, this one guy was, like, these three signs, and the person was like, you know, I thought you were gonna come over. And then he's like, I you thought I was gonna come over? Like, he's reacting to it as a like, Aquarian, Scorpio, whatever another person is, like, three other things, and it's just like, come on over. Like, it was just really, I wish I'm not doing a great job explaining it, but like most people, we're reading it with this negative, oh my God. I'm gonna let them down when I send this, and they're going, they're, you know, it's like, Oh, no big deal, right? Not a big deal. It's okay, yeah, and it's possible that in setting boundaries, you do lose some relationships in that way. And I would just say, like it probably wasn't the most healthy relationship for you in the first place, because if loving yourself means they can't be in your life, then then it's possible it's just a relationship out to expire, right? Or, if you really want the relationship to stay, you will definitely want to listen to Barb Betts episode about how to create a relationship in a way that works with them, right, that also works with you, which is like, what else can you relate on if this thing that you have a boundary on is no longer relatable? Yeah? Lesley Logan 13:56  Self-care routines. You know, a big fan of the self-care routine, but you need to have self-care routines. And self-care routines do need to be a daily, weekly thing. Self-care is not a reward. Self-care is a need. It's a need. All right? This one, of course, I love. This tool is amazing. Celebrate achievements. You guys need to email me your achievements in the beitpod.com/questions and achievements can be I got out of bed today. Achievements can be I finally signed up for that class I've been wanting to go to. Achievements can be, like, I tried a new hobby. They can be I told a friend, no. There's so many things. They can also be big, like I got a promotion. There are so many different types of achievements, but you have to celebrate them. It's part of self-love. If you're never celebrating the things you did do, it's going to start to feel like everything you do all these things for all these people, and there's like, what's the point? Well, the point is like celebrating the moments in between the things that like, oh, wow, look what I did, right? You got to celebrate that. Lesley Logan 14:52  Spending time alone. Oh, my God, this is not a problem for me. I love this. But self love is also like taking time to get to know yourself and be alone with yourself. Often, and if you have a hard time with that, I highly recommend like figuring out what's going on. You don't have to be an introvert. You can still get energy from people, but being able to be alone with yourself is a sign you've got a lot of self-love. You love being with you. Lesley Logan 15:15  Surround yourself with positivity. So this is it's possible, like I went through a time in 2020 where, like, people were just, oh, we all did, right? And people were just being really negative, and the calls were just often really negative. And I just said, like, you know, right now I'm available to be a friend on these topics, but not that one. And that pissed some people off, and I haven't talked to them, and I'm sad about that, like that, I don't take that lightly at all. But also, I needed a different way of a friendship at that time, and that is okay, and I'm allowed to need that, and they are allowed to have needed a friend who needed to bitch with them, and that's okay, right? But loving yourself is truly making sure that you are around people who not just support you but uplift you and like you feel good after you leave, right? If you're around people that it just feels like after you leave, you feel like the energy sucked out. It's time to have some self-love and put some boundaries in place. Yeah? And then clear your space. So this is not an action item for any of you who use clearing your space as a reason why you do not take care of yourself. But if you're like Lesley, I do all these things and I still don't feel like I have it, maybe there is too much clutter and it's affecting your brain, being able to see all the possibilities that you're doing and have love for yourself. There's also some suggestions for self-love that having some goal oriented tools, so like making sure you're setting realistic goals as a part of your self-love. I see a lot of people that we coach set some unrealistic goals, then not hit those goals and then judge themself. So it might be time to have some realistic goals. And that doesn't mean you lower your standards, or you lower your ability to dream, but maybe it's just about making like smaller stepping stones of a major goal so that you can work towards actually accomplishing that, and then you have to celebrate that you did it, right? Part of self-love is just also knowing what your strengths are. I'm very clear on what my strengths are and are not, and loving myself means saying no to things that are I know I'm going to do a terrible job. I'm going to feel bad about how you did it. Yes, that means I have to hire people, and I have to ask for help, and I have to ask for support, but I can lean so much into my strengths, and I have more energy after the afterwards because of it. So we've had several guests on this, on the Be It Pod who who do strength testing. And I really, highly, highly recommend checking out the couple guests we've had on that and just going through and getting help on identify what your strengths are, right, and then embracing creativity. So you know that could be hobbies, that could be just an outlet you do. It could just be like, maybe you go take an artist class, maybe go take a stone carving class. Like, find something. But finding some way to be creative is often a really great way to not just practice compassion and kindness, but also to get to know yourself. You know, can be kind of meditative, and we have to be mindful in a creative space. Lesley Logan 18:03  So the other things I will just say is we have a couple more categories that I want to explore, emotional, mental self-love, and that is going to include the boundaries and the self-compassion and the forgiving yourself and then challenging negative talk and spending time reflecting. And this one is we haven't talked about this yet, not comparing. You know, they say comparison is the thief of joy. Comparison is okay if it means that you're able to see what you want and you don't want in your life, but then you have to be curious, right? So I love that the emotional self and mental self love tools are very similar to all the other types of tools we've had, because sometimes we can have self-love in some areas and not in other areas. And so hopefully that helps you. You know, self-love is also taking care of the physical body that you have, and that is going to be the movement rituals you have and the movement practices you have, and but also self-love is honoring your body. Now, I just was talking with this girl that I used to teach, and she was asking questions, and I was like, you know, I'm so grateful that people have discovered these studies that show that as women, if we honor our cycles and we move within them, we can be stronger, faster, better, right? And so listening to your body is self-love. So sometimes I hear people are hard on themselves for not going and going for a run or not going and lifting as hard that week because they needed to do more yoga, that's listening to your body you are practicing self-love. Don't be so hard on yourself, right? So do you see how like we tend to do something as self-love, and then we tend to be harsh to ourselves, which negates the self-love that we did. So honoring your body, and then I would celebrate that as an achievement. And then something else you can think about is, and that's this really cool thing that I discovered, if you were truly struggling with, like, how do I love myself? You know, there's the idea of, like, how do you like to give love? Do you like to give loves and word of affirmations? Do you like to give love in the form of physical gifts? Do you like to give love in the form of touch or quality time or acts of service, you know, like the five love languages, and I know those are debunked a bit in a bit, but also, like they're applicable, right? Instead of thinking about like partnering up with people, think of like, how do you like to give love and then give yourself that in return? So if you love to tell people things about that fall into words of affirmation, then it's time for you to do words of affirmation towards you. If you love to give people physical gifts, then give yourself some physical gifts. If you love touch, then go get yourself a massage, right? Like if you love quality time, spend some quality time with yourself. If you love to do things for people, do things for you. So try that out in your effort to make self-love part of your daily life. So I think it's just there's some really great things to that. If you listen to me on that and you're like, I need some more ideas. Definitely reach out to Be It Pod. I can help you with that. I've got some I got some extra tools under here, but I just wanted I don't want to overwhelm you with tools. I feel like that is, is the thing that these the listeners that I tend to attract, like, give me everything. I'm going to try 17 things at once. I just want you to try, like, one thing at a time, because I want self-love to be a thing that you can be it till you see, right? Lesley Logan 21:04  But I will put this in the show notes. There are a bunch of mantras. I have 58 mantras here for self-love, and I'm going to make sure my team has it for the show notes. And here's a few of them that just stood out to me as I read through. I deserve love just as I am. I'm a beacon of self-love. I choose to see the beauty within me. Every cell in my body is infused with love. I'm worthy of sel- care and self-love. I believe in myself fully. I deserve to be happy. And that's that's hopefully what this does, because, like, look, I love doing all the interviews, but I also think that information without integration is constipation. That's what I had a coach say to me once, so all the tools in the world, all the tips and advice don't work if you don't first love you, right? They just become more things. Oh, I promised you guys. I promised you guys some tools from you guys. So these are real people who have real tools for self-love, okay? Pilates, education and gratitude towards myself, not just the universe, for the good things I made happen. Brook Siler, Pilates, Self-love tools, equal, baths, learning new skills. She's doing tennis, not escaping stress with alcohol. Beautiful. And then Pilates Physio Essay, that's Sonia. Tools, booking in sessions that are not allowed to be moved, whether it's on my own workout or paid, it's in. Heidi Malone said, I schedule at least one evening a week to relax after work I read or I watch a comfort show. These are beautiful, beautiful. So do you see how those reflect all the different tools that were suggested? The time with the self, the movement, the creativity, right, the gratitude practice, celebrating achievements, self-care movement, you are so loved by so many people. And my hope from these two episodes is that you truly find love for yourself. And if you haven't already, send in other ideas and wins. Send in the wins, but also send in your other tools, and we'll put them in another show. Thank you so much. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 23:28  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. 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In this episode, Lesley breaks down self-love beyond surface-level self-care and explains why it's foundational to confidence, boundaries, resilience, and healthy relationships. She explores why self-love is often misunderstood, why it can feel so hard to practice, and how societal expectations shape the way women treat themselves. This conversation sets the foundation for a two-part series, with practical tools and practices coming in the next episode. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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What I interpret that as we can't be it till we see it and just sort of like ourselves, like what I don't want you to do is not have that self-love that's like true self-love. Lesley Logan 0:20  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.  Lesley Logan 1:03  Hey, Be It babe, how are you? Oh my gosh. Okay, so we're doing a two episode series on self-love and a two episode series on burnout, and these kind of came out of doing this series on the habits. And, you know, we've had so many amazing guests on the pod, and it made me think of like they talk about how you have to love yourself, like, I can't even tell you how I probably should have looked it up. How many episodes we have had guests tell us, like, love yourself. Like, you have to have, like, love for yourself. And, like, it got me thinking, like, you know? And you're like, yeah, yeah. Like, you think you know what that means. And then you're like, wait, what does it mean? Like, what? What is self-love, you know? And is it important? And what if we don't do it? And how is it different than burnout, and how is it different than a habit, and how is it different than, like, all these other things. And so I kind of wanted to do just like, a whole episode on, like, what is self-love? Why do we struggle with it? Why do we need it? It's important, right? So we're going to just like, kind of dive in. And if you think I know it already, sure, you can skip this episode and go the next one, which is going to be the tools and the tips and the tricks and the mantras, but I hope we can have, like, a conversation. I mean, obviously you're not here, but like, you can talk in the car together, of like, what, what does this mean? And maybe you have different interpretations, right? Also, in the next episode, I'll share some of the ones that you guys have sent about that with here. I think you guys sent some for self-love and some that kind of go with burnout. And so I'm excited about it. Lesley Logan 2:20  Okay, so first of all, here is the dry like what the professionals psychology, things like that have to say. Self-love is a state of appreciation for oneself that involves prioritizing your physical, psychological and spiritual wellbeing with the same kindness and compassion you would offer a loved one, I would also say you'd offer anyone, because I see a lot of people offer strangers more of these things than they do themselves. It includes accepting yourself blahs and all setting healthy boundaries, practicing self-care and treating yourself with respect. This is not the same as narcissism, which involves excessive self-interest, but rather a fundamental regard of your own happiness and worth. And I think, like, if we could just, like, leave that right there. You know, like, there's so many things in that it's like, oh, that's what self, like, it's not the same as like, I mean, yes, there are some tools I'll share that like, about loving yourself, like I love myself, but like, actually, these are the ways you can be in self-love. You can be prioritizing your physical, psychological, spiritual well being with the same kindness and passion you would offer a loved one. Another way of saying this that I found on the line was be the adult you always needed to yourself. Tell yourself the words the younger version of you always needed to hear. And that might mean you have to go learn about, like, reparenting right there. And that would be like a therapist, right? So hopefully, like, if any of these things spark your interest, like you are working with a professional therapist of some kind in that way, but like, especially if it involves, like, the reparenting of yourself, and I think a lot of us have to go through that. And by the way, I know a lot of moms are listening, and including mine, like, it's not that you didn't do a great job. You did the best you could, some people, right? And also, there's still things that happen in our lives outside of what our parents did or didn't do that, like are part of what we brought up to ourselves as an adult. And there's stories that we tell ourselves, and those all affect how we treat ourselves, psychologically, physically, spiritually, right? Okay, so just to make sure we are saying things in the same way, same thing in different ways, so that if you have a different way of viewing these words, you get an education around self-love today, here's another thing. So this means self-love can include self-acceptance, so recognizing accepting both your strengths and your weakness without harsh self-criticism. And I think this is the hardest for me, so I'll just give anecdotes to each of these, because I think that at least I like that when people do it. So I think it's easy for us to accept the good parts about ourselves, but then we're really harsh about the not so great parts, and again, not that you like don't try to better what those are. But I think a lot of people who are attracted to the show because I do the same thing, like, we like attract alike is we are then constantly trying to better the things that we don't like about ourselves. Great. Do that, and also don't be harsh, right? There's a difference between a harsh self-criticism and an awareness of things that could be better, but still loving yourself despite of or in spite of that, right? Self-compassion. Self-love is self-compassion. Treating yourself with kindness, especially during difficult times. I definitely struggle with compassion for myself when I kind of do the thing I know I shouldn't have done at the time, and then, you know, you're like, I shouldn't procrastinate right now, and then you do and then, like, everything blows up in your face. I will go into a harsh criticism. I will have a lack of self-compassion. All of that affects the self-love. And when you don't love yourself, it makes it really difficult for you to show up as the highest version of yourself, that's for sure. And it also it makes it really hard for us to accept love and support from others. It's almost hard for us to receive compassion for other people, because we're not giving it to ourselves, and so we don't even recognize compassion when it comes from someone else, right? Self-care is self-love. Actively taking care of your physical, emotional, mental health through actions like eating well, exercising, gain enough rest, and engage in activities you enjoy. And by the way, when it's when I say, whenever you hear me say, eating well or healthy, I think you need to understand like fueling yourself appropriately, right? What allows you to have the best sleep of your life? What allows you to do the movement practice you like, what allows you to do the life you want to live? So there's no such thing as good or bad food or good or bad bodies, right? So, but what are the things that make you feel well? Are you eating foods that you know are going to make you feel like crap? For example, I love Kettle Corn. I really love Kettle Corn, and I can have a handful of Kettle Corn, no problem. But I can't stop with a handful of Kettle Corn most of the time. And so when I am kind of oftentimes being a little too in my head, being a little hard on myself, like having a stressful day, of course, I had to have more Kettle Corn, because why not just really make the already hard day I'm having even harder. And when I have half a bag of Kettle Corn, I feel like my stomach hurts. I have like my skin crawls, and I have the worst night's sleep, right? Well, in doing that, I am not giving myself the self-care that I need, because I'm now affecting tonight's sleep, which means I am not loving myself for the whole day and night, which is going to affect tomorrow, right? So getting enough rest is self-care. That is self-love. And I get really I in researching this, I was really excited, because I find myself, when I lead my retreats, or I lead some of these workshops that I do, like talking to people about, like, why it's so important that they go for a walk in the morning, if that's what they want to do, they want to walk in the morning. Why is it so important? Why is it so important they do Pilates? Because doing activities that help you sleep well, move well, be pain free, are all an act of self-love, and every time I see people not doing it in modernist oftentimes for others, what I'm seeing in the room is like a lack of self-love, and it's limiting how much you can love others. I'm just gonna say it, right? Lesley Logan 8:22  Okay. Boundary setting. So knowing your limits and saying no when necessary to protect your well being like setting boundaries and upholding those boundaries is self-love. We had a great episode about boundaries with Tanya Dalton. I still really love and recommend that episode. It's so, so good. And what I will say is I know that I come across as someone who is like the strictest of boundaries. I'm gonna tell you right now, I still feel bad when I have to uphold those boundaries, but I know I have to uphold the boundaries because I love myself so much. I know I cannot. I cannot go beyond my limits and still be the person I need to be tomorrow for all the people, right? I will let more people down tomorrow if I let go of my boundaries today, right? All right. Self-respect is self-love. Hvonoring your needs and not sacrificing your well being to please others. Self-respect is self-love. And I I think like we can all nod along and then go, ooh, am I respecting myself? And I will say, the older I get, the easier self-respect is for me to do. The younger I was, the harder it was, right? Because there's like, things that you're like, trying to prove, and you don't want to be liked, and there's all these different things. And so I would just say, like, you know, please explore self-respect with yourself, because if you don't have that, that's like your boundary setting, your self-care, your compassion, your acceptance, I think, is all going to fall under, like the actions you take to respect yourself and then positive self-talk, but consciously replacing negative self-talk with more positive and supportive affirmations. And by the way, if you listen to habit series, it's really hard to do. It's really hard to replace the negative self-talk with positive words, because you have to first, then be aware of the negative self-talk, and you have to, like, get quicker at catching it. So it might take you a whole day right now to catch yourself being an ass to yourself. And then as you are like, okay, I want to have a better, positive self-talk, self-respect, self-compassion, self-care. So that's acceptance, blah, blah, blah. So then maybe you take some of the tools that we're doing, and all of a sudden you realize, whoa, I caught myself talking negatively to myself in half a day. Well, most people are gonna get mad at themselves it took half a day. What you have to do is actually celebrate that it only took half a day, and it can get better. Then it's gonna take you three hours, and then it's gonna take you an hour, and this can take you 30 minutes, and take you three minutes, and it's gonna take you three seconds, that can take years. So give yourself the space and grace and have some positive self-talk and find ways to replace negative things, or maybe tell a friend, like, if you hear me talking about it myself, I need you to do something. Lesley Logan 10:43  In Cambodia, we have a lot of girls who are apologizing all the time. So as soon as anyone said, I'm sorry, we'd also scream, not helpful, not helpful. You know, and it was, it became something we laughed about. It was so funny, we actually realized, like, wow, a lot of times when I'm saying I'm sorry, I really mean, excuse me, right? And that's a better way to replace it. Okay, so why does this matter? Like, why is it important to have any self-love? So what the therapists and psychologists and brain people are saying is, it is a foundation for a happy and fulfilled life, right?Lesley Logan 11:14  So what I interpret that is we can't be it till we see it and just sort of like ourselves. Like, what I don't want you to do is not have that self-love, that's like true self-love, and then envision a woman who you think is going to be the thing you should be being it until you see and you go and be it till you see it, but she also doesn't love herself. Like, that'd mean you get all the destination, and you didn't, you didn't make sure it was like, you know what I mean? Like you just become more of something else, but you're not in love with yourself along the way. And so I definitely want to make sure that as you be it till you see it, part of that is loving yourself like how and maybe that's your work this year is like, I'm gonna be it till I see it in self-love, right? Maybe it's not just like a whole person. Maybe it's an area. Lesley Logan 11:57  Self-love increases self-confidence, self-worth and resilience. And I was like, oh, that's so of course, like, yes, I believe that confidence comes from keeping the commitments you said you would to yourself, okay? It's very easy for a lot of you to keep commitments to other people. So I was very specific, keeping the commitments to yourself that you said you would. That is where self-confidence comes from. But to do that, you have to have all these different areas of self-compassion, self-care, self-love, boundaries, right, self-respect. So when you have self-love, it increases your self-confidence, your self-worth and resilience. And I was like, yes, oh my gosh, that is such an easier way of getting towards having self-confidence, right? It's loving yourself. It leads to healthy relationships with others. You know, we often attract people who mirror a lot about how we feel about ourselves. And like, oh my God, isn't it so embarrassing to, like, look back at the boyfriends you have when you're younger? You're like, what were you thinking? But also, if you think about, like, wow, that's the amount of love I was willing to give myself from myself. So of course, that's what I was willing to accept from somebody else you know. And so if you are in some ways trying to be it till you see it in having a loving, wonderful relationship, I would definitely do some inventory and some self-reflection around what is going on with your self-love. And then another thing of why it's so important is a lack of self-love can contribute to feelings of inadequacy, anxiety, depression and burnout. We're gonna have a series on burnout. So of course, this is going to have an overlap with that.Lesley Logan 13:23  But, you know, I have always said, like, burnout happens when, in the Pilates industry, it happens a lot when people are under-charging and over, you know, working and, yeah, they did that because they have a lack of self-love. Because if you had self-love, you would be charging your worth and keeping your boundaries. Right? Like, a lack of self-love can contribute to feeling of inadequacy. And so like, with all the people with self, imposter syndrome, and I know there's people saying imposter syndrome is, like, made up, but also, like, sure, maybe it is. And also, there's a ton of people who feel inadequate, have anxiety, which is basically fear, okay? Gay Hendricks, in his book says anxiety and fear are the same thing. And depression, well, of course, I mean, I think you can love yourself and still have a low day, so I'm not going to say you won't ever be depressed, but it is going to contribute to those feelings. And so I do wonder, like, if the more we have some self-respect, self-compassion, have positive self-talk, how that is going to improve our feelings of around us, like, does it actually mean that your imposter syndrome just becomes less and less and maybe you only feel it when you're brand new at something? I believe that's it. That's why self I think self-love is even more important than I thought when we started doing the series. Like, I was like, oh yeah, of course, we have to have self-love. Let's figure out how to help people do that. And then I'm like, oh my God, this is so the most important fucking thing we can all be doing. Lesley Logan 14:41  Okay. So what can self-love look like? So some of this stuff is going to sound redundant, but again, I'm saying it all because I think we need to hear the same things in different ways. So some of you might be like, oh, got it. I gotta work on my boundaries. I gotta work on my self-talk. Gone, done. You don't need any more. And some of us are like, okay, I need all these things. But what does it look like? And this is where I am always like, okay, tell me the how. I got it. I'm in. I love it all. I co-sign. Tell me how, right. I'm a how girl. So what does self-love mean to you, and what does it look like? So it can mean talking to and about yourself with love. So, like, one of the things you could do is like, notice this week how you talk about yourself. Are you talking about all the things you messed up when you tell a friend about how the day went? Are you talking about how you, like, did something really amazing, right? Talking to and about yourself with love. I walk around this house and I like, do different things, like, oh my God, wow, I just connected that to that I'm so amazing. Like, I get really pleased with myself when, like, I had to move my Reformer the other day without Brad and I took the carriage out, stood inside the frame, squatted down, like I was doing a little like deadlift, and then, like, move the frame and put the thing out. I'm like, so strong. I'm so glad I could be independent. Like that, that is an act of self love, that kind of talk, right? So you, these are, like, there's little things you can do that in every single day, little ways you can do that in every single day. Lesley Logan 16:01  Prioritizing yourself. That self-love looks like prioritizing yourself. Self-love looks like giving yourself a break from self-judgment. So maybe you start to notice you're judging yourself, and you're like, I gotta replace it with positive words. What if you just didn't? What if you just stopped just to go, okay, I'm gonna set a timer for 15 minutes and go do something else, think of something else, like, take a break from the judgment. Okay, maybe it means getting rid of mirrors for a bit. Or, you know, things like, if that, where in your life are you actually judging yourself the most? How can you like? Is there a way you can take a pause from that project? Is there a way that you can set yourself up for success? You're actually like, get like, you can actually give yourself a break from the self-judgment. Self-love can look like trusting yourself, trusting yourself. I think a lot of us get really excited about a decision we make, and then we ask other people how they feel about that, and then we change our decision based on others. And look, I change my decisions a lot based on input from others when I'm like working on a project with the team, whatever. But like, that's not what I'm talking about. Yes, if someone gives you better information, you should bring that in and but also, if you know that you need to sleep for seven hours, and other people are like, oh, I can't believe you only need to sleep for seven hours, trusting yourself is way better than going, hmm, I guess I'm wrong. Maybe. I mean, they said I should sleep for eight hours. If you know, what is it you need. Gotta trust yourself, right? Like, that's some of the best things you can do. I found, like, you know, Brad and I've been like, advocating for our health a lot lately. And one of the things I've noticed that when I talk to my doctors in a way that has I'm advocating myself. I have the paperwork to say, like, when I sleep this many hours a night, I feel like X, Y and Z in the morning. And when I sleep for this many hours a night, I feel like this. And when I do blah, blah, blah, I feel like this. When I do this, when I talk like that, they don't doubt me. They actually go, okay, so what I'm hearing is blank, and what that sounds like is when you do X, Y and Z. So because I'm trusting myself, I'm not going, you know, I mean, when I sleep this many hours, I feel the best when I sleep this many hours, I don't like, I'm not doubting myself, I'm trusting myself. And then, therefore, my doctor and I can work as a team together. And so what I'm saying is, like, oftentimes we don't give off that we trust ourselves. And so other people feel like, Oh, you're asking a question you want me to put in. You want me to like, I'm going to give you some suggestions. And then that doesn't help with the trust, right? Self-love looks like being true to yourself, being true to yourself. And, you know, that goes, that goes hand in hand with one thing we're gonna talk about in a second. So I'll tell that's right when I get to that one. But I just want to say, like, being true to yourself. So if you don't, if you don't know how to be true to yourself, I really need you to take some time. Frances Naudé's episode is around the same one dropping, and she talks a lot about how, like, you have to live at your highest self. And she has some tips on like, how do you be true to yourself? How do you trust yourself? Being nice to yourself is a way to look at self-love. So if you have self-love, you are nice to yourself. You're wondering what self-love looks like, be nice to yourself. What do you if you know you need to get up and go get a glass of water, go do that. That is being nice to yourself, that is listening to yourself, is trusting yourself, right? I used to like, okay, so when I was teaching Pilates, I would go to the bathroom between every single client. Now that I work at a desk most of the time, I have found myself falling into that ADHD thing where I just keep working until like, oh my God, like, I finally have earned the right to go to the bathroom. And someone like voted me and going, ADHD, ladies, you don't need to earn the right to go to the bathroom. Just go to the bathroom. Being nice to yourself is going to the bathroom. It's just like getting up, hitting pause, and that is self-love. That is self-love. Okay, so do you see how, like, all of a sudden, self love becomes so much easier? Yes, some of these things are harder to do, break, taking a break from self-judgment, especially if you've been doing it for your whole life. But you can also just simply be nice to yourself, and that could kick off the self-love ball and domino. Lesley Logan 20:00  All right, setting healthy boundaries. So, at the be true to yourself. One of the things I know about me is I do need time alone. And we had my in-laws came to visit. Was so much fun, but also, like with them here, it meant that I didn't have a lot of time by myself, and so I didn't talk to any of my friends or other family members during that time, not because I didn't want to, but because I knew that I needed the times I could have alone, I needed them alone. Being true to myself was making sure I had time as an introvert to recharge and refuel, and it meant I needed to keep my boundaries up and not give in to oh my God, I feel so bad. I haven't talked to that person. Of course I feel bad. I'm still gonna feel bad, but also I'm not. I can't feel bad and tired and shitty. So loving myself, being true to myself, understanding like, yes, it is. I'm sure some people think it's weird and annoying. I need to have so much time by myself, but I need to do that so I can be there for others, and setting healthy boundaries around that is important. We also, then had a friend who needed to use our guest bedroom 48 hours later. And of course I wanted to help go, yeah, stay as long as you want. No, we just had too many in our, we had two people in our house for 10 days. We have people coming to our house next week. I can't do that, so here's what I can do. And do you want to know something? They're okay with it. They're totally fine with it. They didn't go, oh, what a bitch, like, what a bitch. No, because they, too, have healthy boundaries because they love themselves. So self-love is setting healthy boundaries and keeping them. Lesley Logan 21:24  Forgiving yourself when you aren't being true or nice to yourself. So I love that this is like at the end, because it's like, oh my God, I, like, by time you hear all this, you'd be like, well, here's all the different ways I didn't love myself today. So, forgive yourself, and that is an act of self-love for you today, and you'll just do better the next time, right? So, and I think that this is a really good, like, maybe thing to write down or think about it, just remember that self-love isn't just about loving the easy parts of ourselves. It means loving every single part of ourselves. So even the inner critic, like, in fact, maybe the inner critic just needs to be loved a little bit, right? So, why is it so hard? Why is it so hard to love ourselves? I feel like, oh my God, it's actually just like Lesley just gave out so many different ways I could love myself and it should be so easy. Like, why is it so hard? So this is, well, the patriarchy, we're just gonna say. But seriously, women often struggle with self-love due to societal expectations to prioritize others. Perfectionism is another reason why we have a struggle with self-love and being bombarded with unrealistic beauty and life standards. So it is hard to love ourselves when every single time you look in the magazines and on TV and all this, you're being shown what the standard for beauty and being a wonderful woman is, and you feel like you aren't able to match and meet those so of course, it's hard. You won't. It's like, how you have to like, I mean, if the resiliency you have to have to like, see those people and go, I don't need to look like them, and I'm still amazing. That takes time. So if you are struggling with comparing yourself to what society says is what we're should be living up to, you are not alone. It takes a long time it and what I would say is, like, go back to the things that we did, and what is something easy you can do. Because as you start to build your self love muscle, becomes easier to not fall for the expectations of society, which, by the way, isn't going to be there for you, right? Even if you reach whatever they think the bar is, they're gonna move the bar anyways. So past negative experiences make it hard to love ourselves, right, such as criticism, trauma, feeling undervalued, these things can also deeply impact self-worth. Lesley Logan 23:22  So like, let's be real. Who, the stories that you got from people who were around you in your life at pivotal times, and the experiences you had, those things can affect you, especially if you had a family member or friend who told you you weren't beautiful, you weren't lovable, you weren't pretty. If you heard that and then something like, hey, I feel that, and I really do hope that you are not just doing self-reflection, but actively seeking someone who can help you, because you are so worthy of self-love, and as you've already learned, self-love is so important when it comes to all the other things you want to have in your life, it'd be really hard to have an amazing, wonderful partner who loves you if you don't love yourself, because it's gonna be hard for you to feel and believe that love is true. I'm not saying you can't attract it or that you don't have that. I'm saying like it's just going to be hard for you to believe that it's real and true. Right now I want you to have that, okay? Additionally, cultural conditioning can teach women to be quiet, put others first, and feel guilty for practicing self-care, making self-love seem selfish or out of reach. And I will say that this last part is really important to me. As a woman business owner who serves female mostly, and a few good men clients in our membership, it's online. Women will cancel the membership because of all the demands on them that they feel from others, and they have a hard time putting themselves first because they feel selfish or indulgent or that, you know, I just like, you know, I can't do all of it, so if that's why I do none of it, you know, or I'm only using five minutes at a time, so I should cancel this. The male members never do that. That's not why they quit. They quit because, like, oh, I'm taking three months off for. Surgery, that's when they quit. So I say that because, ladies, we have to take the perfectionism off the table. Love ourselves, be proud of the few minutes we do do and then prioritize those. It is essential. And if you didn't listen to the episode with Amy Ledin, the most recent one we had in December, go listen to that. She's a mom of five with cancer, and she's kicking ass, and she prioritizes her movement. And, you know, I'm not saying that you have to do everything like she does, but I want you to have an example of people can be busy, can have hard lives, and still can love themselves enough to put themselves first, right? Lesley Logan 25:35  All right. So the other things, obviously, we have societal, cultural pressures. So there's prioritizing others. Women are often socialized to be caregivers. Definitely have to be the caregivers. They're often because we are still paid less. They're often the ones that need to leave the workplace, if that's what's needed in a family, someone gets sick. We obviously know we have a lot of women who listen to the show, who are in the sandwich generation, and so it's really, it really does mean that you put other people first, and over time, that means maybe not loving yourself as much as you could be, and that is affecting other areas in your life and your belief in yourself and what you can do and what's possible. So I'm not saying don't take care of others. What I'm saying is you have to prioritize yourself first and then take care of others. Because truly, your ability to care for others isn't a Venn diagram of what you can actually do, and where I see a lot of people struggle with that, we'll talk more about it in burnout series when they give more, right? So love yourself enough. Prioritize yourself over others. Other reasons why it's really hard for us as women is unrealistic expectations. We talked about that with society, the standard of beauty, blah, blah, blah. Oh my God, the motherhood bull crap. Oh my, the Instagram on, on, you know, all this trad wife stuff like, if that's what you want, that's what you want, that's great. But ladies, you do not have to be that as a mom, you can be whatever you want, right? So what are these unrealistic expectations people are putting on us suck? So what are the expectations you want for yourself? I can be true to that. That's self-love, right? And then obviously society has this immense pressure for us to be perfect. The past experience, in personal history, in your childhood experience, so remember, that's the childhood experience you had. Those like early experience with caregivers and emotional neglect or inconsistent caregiving, that can lead to a belief that you're not inherently lovable, which makes it really hard to love yourself. So a great book to explore, this is, What Happened to You? I love this book is with Oprah and Dr. Bruce Perry, and I think it's a really great way to have empathy for yourself, but also empathy for others. So obviously, so many people experience trauma, especially as children, that can affect your ability to love yourself. There could have been a life event. You could have gone self-love all day long, and then a life event happened. And so one, be, have so much compassion for yourself. And then let's figure out where, where that happened, and what are these things that we talked about so far that could help you work on that self-love? Feeling undervalued. So you know, when we're underpaid or under supported, or we're not aware of our worth and demanding that because we don't have our boundaries up, we're gonna feel undervalued. That's going to affect our self-love, right? That's really hard. So, and then there's internalized beliefs, the shoulds the guilt or the need for external validation. So if you are someone who is needing external validation to love yourself, it is going to be hard, right? So we do have to figure out a way around that. That might be you have to do something within therapy to do that, because many women tie their worth to external achievements and validation they receive from others, rather than internal sense of self-acceptance. And so if you don't have an internal sense of self-acceptance. It's hard to have that self-compassion, and if you're always waiting for someone else to love you before you love yourself, it makes it really hard to receive that love, right? Lesley Logan 28:28  So okay, in the next episode, we're going to go around some tools for self-love. There's some great books that I want to give you. There's some mantras I want to give you, but what I'd love for you to do as your homework, as I would just love for you to like reflect upon this, maybe listen to it again. What were the things that stood out in the self-love that surprised you, or maybe good and you're like, oh, that's, that's where I'm struggling right now. I would love to know, I'd love for you to share it. You can share it via beitpod.com/questions. You can bring it as a you know, just share that. You can leave it in a review. You can comment on this video on YouTube or on our Instagram, because I would love to hear like what a part of self-love is easy for you, what part is a challenge for you. And by the way, my ADHD ladies, it is harder for us because internalized negative feedback. Women with ADHD may have a lifetime of being misunderstood or criticized for symptoms leading them to believe that they are inherently flawed, and so a lot of women with ADHD are diagnosed late, if at all, and so they're often like, there's like, oh my God, there's something wrong with me. I don't I don't fit in the way people do, and so they have a hard time with self-love. So hi, my ADHD ladies, this part, I wanted to make sure you knew it. It can be harder for us, right? Blaming oneself for failures like because there's a tendency to attribute failures to internal flaws and successes to luck, personal factors, which damages self-esteem, which makes it hard to have self-love. There's a hightened sensitivity to rejection. So women with ADHD are often more highly sensitive to feedback or rejection, leading them to interpret things more negatively. And personally, I see you, and that means it's harder to have self-compassion, right? So, and then also, women with ADHD, often go through a shame cycle. This sensitivity can lead to a cycle of shame and self-criticism, making it difficult to accept strengths or celebrate achievements, which is why we have a wins day. We win on Friday, like we have a wins day, win, W-I-N-S day on purpose, because I need that for me to keep having the self-love it because it's hard for me, like it's hard for me to go ever, like with the ADHD, with all that stuff, it's like, can be so hard to celebrate things until they're done. So I purposely have this in place so that there is a celebration of wins every single Friday for all of us, so that we can have, maybe we can get rid of that shame cycle just a little bit right, and have more ease and self-love. And then lastly, societal expectations. So on top of what we talked about, societal expectations on women in general, combined with undiagnosed or late diagnosed ADHD symptoms, can lead to feelings of measuring up and harsh self judgment. That harsh self-judgment, as we know, makes it hard to have self-love, self-compassion, kind words. Lesley Logan 30:55  You're all so amazing. I really hope that you guys are liking these little series. If there are other ones, you have topics you want us to bring up, or guest we want to bring in, please let us know. Right now, what part of the self-love comes easy for you, what part is hard, and then stay tuned to our next episode, where we'll go over some tools. Thanks so much until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 31:14  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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February brings a moment to pause, reflect, and celebrate what's already working. Lesley Logan shares an important perspective on feminism, choice, and why progress still matters for women everywhere. The episode also highlights meaningful community wins and a personal reminder that being a beginner can be a powerful form of growth. Stick around for a mantra that grounds the weekend in intention and love. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:48  Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Happy Friday. Happy February 6th. I'm super excited to chat with you today. I mean, like, something about February is just really nice because, like, okay, we're in this. We we're in it, we're in the month, we're in the new year, we're in all the things. And there's lots of stuff going on, you know, always, but you made it. You're here. And it's the day that we celebrate things, we're inspired by things we like, kind of have a loose agenda. Fridays are the days I like to reflect on the week. That's why it's a great day to, like, celebrate something you did do, because you did something great. I know you did. Especially since most of our listeners are women, I thought this would be a fun thing for us to look at together. So let me pull up my inspiration. You know, inspirations don't always have to be exciting. This one is interesting, and I think important for us to know. So women are 51% of the population, but 60% of the poor. Women are 83% of single parents, doing 66% of the work, producing 50% of the food, but earn just 11% of the pay and own only 20% of the land, all while giving birth to 100% of the population. In case you wondered why we still need feminism. And I share this because, look, I I think it's amazing if you want to choose to to not have a traditional work job, like if you're going to like work from home or things like that. The fact that you get to choose is because of feminism. And I think it's important that we continue to remind people that it wasn't always a choice, and women are still not getting paid what their fair share is, and there are plenty of women who are doing a ton of unpaid labor. There's a bunch of people out there who get to do different paid labor jobs because of the unpaid labor of women, and I just want, I just want us to remember that, because it can be really easy to think that, oh my gosh, like we're greedy, or is it ridiculous, we want these things, or should just be happy with what I have? No. Every time you fight for you, you're also fighting for the other women around you. You are. So many women benefit from it, you know, especially those who can't fight for themselves right now, who don't have the rights or the ease to have those rights. So don't stop fighting in the countries and places that you live, and don't stop reminding the people around you, men and women or and everything else and everyone else who are like, it's not that big a deal, like we've moved on by now. We haven't. You know, something that really bothers me is that when a male drives from one state to another, his rights don't change. But for women, their rights do, and that right there should piss you the fuck off. And I don't mean it because I want you to be in an angry place all the time, but like, my goodness, you know. So if you have a family member or a person in your life who's like, you know, it's not that big, it is a big deal. And this is why. And you can use the link in the show notes below to go over those stats with them, and kind of just say, like, explain, like, explain to me why you think we don't need it anymore. And I just would like to say, like, in the history of the U.S. we haven't had a, you know, all female at the top running this country, even at state levels, right? Like we've had governors, but, like the rest of the state, is not majority women running it. It's always had a majority of men, but never majority of women. So, you know, we haven't got what we want. We haven't done that yet, and you can't tell me feminism is a problem when women haven't been in charge of everything, you know. So I'm not saying that we're better than they are, or they're worse than us, or whatever. I'm just saying I think we really still have a lot of reminding people to do that there's still work to do, and we're still not there yet. Anyways, that is my little thing for today. Lesley Logan 4:43  Let's get into your wins. So we have from Nancy Lawrence, who's an eLevate grad and just an all around amazing woman who we've got to go to Cambodia with and celebrate. She's got a great win. She said, m win watching this young queen teach Pilates in her own beautiful studio. And I tell you, she's headed to Cambodia for this year's retreat. She's smashing it. So I love this win, Nancy, because you and your daughter are smashing it. And I there's a picture that was attached to this win, which is like of Miranda teaching in this beautiful space. And you know, when we went to Cambodia together the year before, not, none of those things were on the drawing board. And so like the fact that you get to have a win where you're so present in a space, and you're watching your beautiful daughter's an amazing teacher, teach in that space. What a beautiful win. You know, it's so interesting how we can underestimate what happened in a year. You know, just by being focused on what we want to do, it's kind of incredible what what we can do, and then what we get to witness along the way. So thank you for sharing that win with us. Lesley Logan 5:44  So my win is I bought a blow dryer, and I have been learning to blow dry my hair, and you don't get to see it from today's video, but I have been so once a week, I wash my hair, and then I try with different blow dryer attachment, blow dry my hair. And so I've had more days with my hair down than I usually do, and it's quite fun. It's not at all as gorgeous and wonderful as when my hairdresser does it. But you know what? We can't expect big things from ourselves, because I only wash my hair once a week, and so, you know, at this point, I've been doing it for 12 weeks now. And then, if you take one week out of each month away from my hairdresser doing it, I've only had nine attempts, and I'm not terrible at it, and I am really excited about myself for doing that. So you know, a win can be just learning something new, giving yourself permission to be a beginner at something and not great like that can be a win. So maybe, if you have a win like that, you can share with us, you can send your wins into the beitpod.com/questions, wins and questions go to the same place, and we'll celebrate your wins with you here, because you'll hear it probably months down the road when you need to be reminded that you did something amazing. Lesley Logan 6:42  All right, your mantra for the weekend, I do all things in love. I do all things in love. I do all things in love. Lesley, you do. Have a great weekend. Send your wins in. Celebrate what you did do, and I'll see you next time. Lesley Logan 6:57  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. 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If you've been feeling stretched thin lately, this episode is for you. Lesley wraps up the burnout series by sharing research-informed ways to prevent burnout before it starts to affect your health, creativity, and relationships. She breaks down why mindfulness, clear boundaries, self-compassion, and asking for support matter more than pushing harder or staying constantly productive—and when professional resources may be needed. This episode offers grounded tools you can begin using right away. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Burnout as the result of chronic stress and losing your sense of purpose.Using mindfulness and micro breaks when life feels out of control.Protecting energy and creativity by setting clear boundaries around time.Practicing self-compassion and why asking for support is not a weakness.Preventing burnout through small daily habits rather than drastic changes.Episode References/Links:Be The Difference - https://www.bethedifferencescv.org/speak-up.phpAnxiety and Depression Association of America - https://adaa.orgEpisode 153: Tanya Dalton - https://beitpod.com/ep153Episode 559: David Corbin - https://beitpod.com/ep559Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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It can age your brain, and it can take years to recover from. Lesley Logan 0:17  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:56  All right, Be It babe. Hello. Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It podcast, we are completing, well at least for now, our series on burnout. Super excited about these little mini series that we're doing. We did habits. We've done self-love. We've got this one, and I really hope you're liking it. And if you are wanting more of these, then let us know, because we want this podcast to be something you want to listen to. And if you have any topics you want us to cover, then let us know. Or if you have any guests, you can send those in. And also, if you have questions after listening to these questions, or aha moments or wins, send that into beitpod.com/questions we will answer your questions on our Thursday episodes for recaps on or when we have interviews, and we will share your wins on the FYFs. And I think it's really important, like, if you have a win, you're like, oh my gosh, I was able to catch myself in some non self-love or bad habit, bad in air quotes, it's not really, there's no such thing as bad habit, habits, things like that. We want to celebrate that with you, because one, it will feel good, but also inspires others. Lesley Logan 1:53  So the first episode on this series was actually like, what does burnout look like? Why is it happening? This episode is on prevention, right? And I think that that that is where we can take some action, and we can really apply our Be It Till We See It style to this, right? So let me pull up my handy dandy notes on this, because it's really exciting. So there are some really great resources out there on preventing burnout, and I was able to find some from different scientists and doctors and people have been really researching this, because, as we know from the last episode, burnout can actually take years off of your life, it can age your brain, and it can take years to recover from. So we know that burnout is essentially losing your muchness from the Mad Hatter quote that I talked about in the last episode, you've lost your muchness. You used to be much, muchier. But truly burnout is you can get burnout from any chronic stress situation, so you know, and this is hard because we don't always get to control the things that are going on in our life. So of the first few things that I'm going to say, I'm just going to tell you right now, like practice mindfulness and micro breaks. So okay, there you can actually study mindfulness, and that is really cool. UCLA has a degree, or not a degree, but a certificate in mindfulness. And it's not easy to do, right? But there are different ways that you can practice mindfulness. One of the things that we did was we froze a grape, and then we practice like putting the frozen grape in our mouth, and like focusing on how that grape felt in our mouth, how like it tasted, what it felt like. We didn't chew it, right? We just, like, kind of focused on it. That's really helpful if you have a hard time meditating. Also, we did mindfulness walks. We like walk. You pay attention to right foot, left foot, right, just like really doing it. But micro breaks and mindfulness practices are going to be really huge for you, especially if you are, if what's going on is out of control, you can't change the situation you're in. We had a client whose parents were in the hospital, and it wasn't looking good. It was like they might never relieve and this client, after a few days of just like, dealing with all that, she realized, like she needed to do her Pilates Mat every day, and just doing that gave her a sense of prioritizing herself, but also purpose, and then just a mindfulness, just like, just like 20 minutes to focus on what she's doing and herself, you know, before she went into this situation that she can't control.Lesley Logan 4:08  All right, this is going to sound obvious, but also we need to talk about it, because I do meet a lot of people who struggle with this. So if you struggle with this, you are not alone, boundaries, you have to set them to protect your energy. The most resilient leaders set clear limits on their time, carve out sacred personal times, whether for the gym, family dinners or unplugged weekends, and communicate these boundaries firmly. Studies show that working reasonable hours and taking breaks boost productivity and creativity while always being on diminishes them. So if you are always on all the time, and you let people come ask for things for work all the time, it actually diminishes your creativity and your productivity. You're not getting as much stuff done as you think, or doing it well. And this is really hard because people get nervous about setting boundaries, they think they're gonna piss people off. You might. You know, I definitely think that there are people, and especially my professional world, where they don't love the boundaries that I set, where I'm like, I won't do those things for you, but I'll do these things for you. And the reality is, there's kind ways to say it. Sometimes you have to just be firm and just say it. Sometimes it's actually just easier to say, like, this is the boundary. This is what I will do for you. But one, they're kind we actually have a really great episode with Tanya Dalton about boundaries. So if you haven't listed that one, I would. It's so, so important, and it's not going to be easy, especially if you're not used to it, and people who love you might get frustrated about the boundaries you're setting, because you are changing the way that they engage with you. You're changing their habits outside of their control, but that isn't your responsibility, especially if you're trying to prevent burnout, because you're no good to anyone, unmotivated, having anxiety, tired, chronic fatigue, like these are things that can actually cause more issues in your life than it just you going, I don't answer the calls after five o'clock, sorry, right? And actually not even sorry, I don't answer call my phone after 5pm unless it's in a family emergency. Like, that's it. So the other thing, and this is why I was, like, we have to do a burnout separate from a self-love, because they are different things, but they go together. You have to prioritize self-compassion and support. So remember, in the self-love we talk about how, like, you have to be nice to yourself. That's part of self-love. You got to practice that that act in itself will not only love you, but it will also help prevent burnout. So huge, like even double the reasons to do it right. So high-achieving women often hold themselves to impossible standards, and I would actually edit that to overachieving women. I think high-achieving women can have kindness towards themselves, you know, so practicing self-compassion, speaking to yourself as you would a close friend, reduces guilt and shame, very important, and it builds resilience. Seeking support is equally crucial, and you might need to lean on mentors, peers and loved ones. Asking for help is actually strategic strength and not weakness. And so there's a ton of research on how recognizing the need for self-care is actually the first step in restoring the balance in your life. And so just right now, if you're listening to this and you're like recognizing, I need to care for myself more. I need to have more self-compassion, your body is going to react to that in a way that is going to help the first step in balance and rebalancing what's going on in your life. And so I think that that is key key I think it'll be harder if you're not used to having self-compassion in yourself it might be harder than boundaries and mindfulness. I'm going to be honest, but it's important. So establishing healthy boundaries that includes prioritizing your self-care, that means regular exercise. So like, what is a healthy boundary and where do you need to put them in? So I think you know, most boundaries are probably healthy, but looking at making sure that you have quality sleep. So you might actually want to start with, like, when do you go to bed? When do you wake up? What does that mean for the people in your life, if you're gonna go to bed earlier, do they need to do stuff in their life earlier? Do they need to help you out sooner? And I highly recommend with these things, I'm about to suggest you don't try all of them the same week. My loves. You want to use the anyone these that that kind of perks, like piques your fancy, perks you up. I want you to run through the habits series, because it's gonna help you. So if you want quality sleep, you'll go through the habit series on like all the different things that you think you can do to get quality sleep, and then start habits around that before you would dive into regular exercise, if that's not something that's easy for you, or going to therapy social connections, like nurturing your social connections and spending time with friends that can help, but you have to also have to have, you know, boundaries around that, and it might mean that you need new social connections. So that may be something you're like worth reviewing. Are the social connections in your life adding to your burnout or preventing it? Lesley Logan 8:32  Reading, journaling, other hobbies. So I actually think a lot of people are missing out on a great hobby. I think a lot of, especially a lot of women I meet, their hobbies become jobs. I've been very public about how, like, I have a new hobby. I'm really loving what I'm doing. I'm studying tarot. And every time I tell people in my life I'm studying tarot, oh, my God, would you do a reading for me? No, the answer is no. One, that's boundary. Two, I want to keep it a hobby. Maybe at this at some point I would, I would do readings for friends, just for the fun of it. But right now, where I'm at with my hobby is not sharing with other people, and that's okay. You know? What's also really great you guys for prioritizing your self-care and having some healthy boundaries, you could actually take a relaxing bath, pamper yourself, right? These are not rewards. These are not rewards. These are just things that you do regularly for you to prioritize your self-care. So prioritizing your self-care can also look like laughter, entertainment, the way you fuel yourself, the food you eat, all of that is prioritizing. So if you're like, I'm too busy, oh my gosh, you have to eat every day. Can we just make sure that the foods that you eat are actually nourishing you? Can we do that? The other parts of preventing burnout are going to be seeking social support and doing some sort of mindfulness practice. We talked about that. I'm going to give you a few tips on the mindfulness practice and then cultivating a positive work environment, that is hard, can be hard to do if you don't control that. Regular exercise is also important for preventing burnout, and then getting therapy or their doctors involved is going to be helpful. But let's dive into mindfulness practice because, like I said, UCLA does have a certificate in this. But what are some other ideas, if you're like, I don't want to, like, focus on a grape, or practicing how I walk, deep-breathing, just sitting here and going inhale, right and then exhaling and just focusing on your breath. Maybe you only do it for five breaths. That's totally fine. There's mindfulness meditation apps, right? Like, there's like, all these different apps you can get on. There's a podcast about mindfulness meditation, and she releases a new meditation every single week. You can replay this, the one that you love. Guided imagery that is like, where you can kind of find a meditation or a guide who can help you picture what you want your world to look like, so you can make adjustments and being it until you see it. Mindful walking, we talked about that, mindful eating, that's also great, mindful journaling. Write down your thoughts and feelings in a journal. Focus on the present moment. This practice can provide clarity, insight and healthy outlet for emotions. We had David Corbin, and he, his one of his Be It Action Items was ask right the question at the top of a piece of paper, and then close your eyes and then write down what comes to your mind. You'll be like writing all over the page, but that active journaling can be really mindful, and if you are going to use mindfulness, some of them can be more expensive than you want them to be. So like I said, there, there are podcasts out there on different music apps you're already paying for. There's probably some sort of mindful meditations you can be listening to. So take a look at that. I know that my fitness apps that I have also have mindful meditations on them. So try not to double up on things, because that could just be overwhelming and cause, cause, add to your burnout, right, that you're having. Lesley Logan 11:28  So if your burnout is looking deeper into, presenting itself as deeper into anxiety or depression, I definitely would go to the helpline for the ADAA, which is the Anxiety and Depression Association of America. You can also check out the help line of Be The Difference. You know, it's part of reading burnout is asking for help. There's nothing wrong that. And if you need the people in your life, you're like, I can't go to them. That's okay. You know, sometimes the people in our life are also experiencing these things, so we don't want to add one more thing to their plate, or they are, they can't be the help that we need, you know, and that that sometimes what we need is professional and so I hope that that this helps give you permission to seek professional help if you need it. And I know it's difficult, oh my gosh, I have a I have to call my insurance company myself to, like, call this one place and see if my insurance covers it. And then I then I get to call the place, and then I get to have the appointment. Like, I get that. So get that, which is why, if that is one of the things you have to do in a day, do that and know that that's part of the self-care that you're trying to do for yourself, and that's part of prioritizing yourself. And then while you wait, try on one of these things that prioritizes yourself or sets boundaries, or helps with mindfulness, so that you can be little by little, doing something. You know, a lot of the people I coach, they're like, I want to do this, this, this and this. Try one thing. Go back to that habit series, one tiny, tiny habit, so that you can actually make a dent in what it is that you're wanting to do and get there, you know, be it till you see no one gets there overnight. We all the joke is, Rome wasn't built in a day. It really wasn't, you know, but then we expect ourselves. So I should be better tomorrow, because now I know I have burnout. I prioritized myself today, so I shouldn't be burnt out tomorrow. If you are already there, it's going to take some time to take some time to unravel what's going on, right? But you can do it, and you owe it to the future you to do it. You owe it to the people that you love to do it, right? The people you want to love or you don't even have in your life yet. So I hope these tools help. I hope this gives you some ideas. You know, ask the people on Instagram, like, what are your prevention tools for burnout? And what I got was a lot of people struggling with burnout. So I know that this is an important topic. It's difficult to like, but I have to get up tomorrow like, I can't cancel, the Pilates teachers that I coach like, I can't cancel the day tomorrow, you can't but if we if you get so burnt out that you're sick now we got weeks, right? So not saying cancel the clients, but I am saying maybe, maybe this exam client has to find a different time or a different teacher, because you can't do it anymore. Maybe that's where we have to start. If that, if you can't afford to do that yet, then okay, journaling is free. Deep breaths are free. Playing music that helps your brain feel really calm and good. It's, you know, probably not free because you have to get a license, but it's not, it's nominal, right? Lesley Logan 14:27  So just know that every time you're doing something for you that makes you feel good, it is a step in the prevention of burnout, and you are worth it. Burnout is not like burned out. It's like this, like this, like little flippant thing. No, it's a serious thing, a serious thing that has serious consequences and affects people, not just you, in the world, in your life, in a way that isn't helpful. And so I know how much you love what you do, and how much you love the people that are in your life. I want you to love yourself enough take care of you so that you can do all. The things that you want with the people you love, and so you can be it till you see it. So share this with the friend who needs to hear it. Let me know if each of these tools was helpful for you or what your favorite tools are. What are the ways that you help with boundaries or prioritizing yourself or mindfulness? I would love to hear them and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Lesley Logan 15:16  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 15:58  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 16:03  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 16:08  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 16:15  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 16:18  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this special series kickoff, Lesley Logan opens an honest conversation about burnout and how it can quietly build around the things you love doing—often without you realizing it. She explores the irony of burning out from the things we are passionate about, the three key signs defined by the WHO, and why high achievers are most at risk of losing their “muchness.” If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The three parts of burnout as defined by the World Health Organization.Why chronic stress can quietly build even when you love your work.What makes burnout show up differently for women than men.How emotional labor and always-on expectations contribute to burnout.What burnout can actually look like before it is clearly recognized.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsBurn-Out an “Occupational Phenomenon” – https://beitpod.com/burnoutWhy Ambitious Women Burn Out - https://beitpod.com/burnout2 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 0:50  Hello, Be It babe. How are you? Oh my gosh. Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It Podcast. You know, normally we do interviews on Tuesdays and recaps on Thursdays and FYFs on Fridays, and everyone's well, I just want to do like a topic, because we've had some amazing guests on it, and I want to revisit that with you, right? I think it'd be a lot of fun. So in doing that, I want us to discuss burnout. We've have a self-love series, we have a habit series. And you know, something that I get a lot from the women that listen this podcast and we work with is just like, the difficulty in preventing burnout, and also, just like, are they ever not burned out and all that good stuff? Because in being it until you see it, it's really easy for y'all to be just overachievers at it, and just like, go harder than one needs to, right? And so I want to just give us. I want us to be on. I want us to have the tools to be it until we see it. And that means understanding burnout and how to prevent it. So this episode will be, what is burnout, so we can be really clear about what it is. I think it's important to be able to name something versus like, what's depression, what's overwhelm, things like that. And then also the second episode, beyond like preventions, like things you can actually do, because you guys are action takers, and I love that so much. Lesley Logan 2:05  So what is burnout? Why do we have burnout? What does it look like? That's what this episode is. If you're like Lesley, I've got it. Well, you can wait till Thursday. But just in case, you know, I think it's important to go over this. And I saw this quote, yeah, as I was preparing for this episode, and it said from the Mad Hatter, and it said, you've lost your muchness. You used to be much, muchier. And I think that, like that can be a sign of burnout, if you, like, lost your muchness, right? But get this the World Health Organization (WHO), actually has defined what burnout is. And so I think that's great. I think, like, let's go with the science. The burnout is a syndrome tied to unsuccessfully managed workplace stress. Like, obviously it can be personal stuff too, so well. But like, WHO is doing this from this part. So it's made up of three parts, exhaustion, feeling distant or cynical towards your job and reduced performance at work. Dr. Ashley, who has since become an expert on this topic, and is a self-proclaimed burnout doctor, she said, I think you can get burnout from any chronic stress situation. So I think that that is helpful, because, like, the simpler sentence, what WHO was trying to say, is any chronic stress situation that can provide burnout. And this is interesting you guys, because it's so easy for us to love what we're doing, but create chronic, chronic stress around it, and so then we burn out from the thing we love doing. And we'll talk about why that happens. So burnout is serious. In severe cases, it can cause premature aging of the brain. This is, this is insanity to me, because, like, oh my God, we cannot let our brains age sooner than they need to, and if you're under 45 your chance of dying from all causes goes up. I mean, let that just sink in, and it's indicated by a study they did a scientific journal, PLO S1, Dr. Ashley estimates it can take one to three years to recover from burnout. You know, as a kid, I remember like, my mom had a job that, like, was really stressful for her, and she slept the whole summer. And I remember my dad having to, like, leave work on stress leave like these it can take one to three years recover, and I do believe it did for both of them. So it's really, really important that we don't just go, oh, this is the busy season I'm in, you know, and dismiss it like we should be stronger and we shouldn't be feeling this way. Lesley Logan 4:25  Why is burnout happening more often? So, increase caregiver and emotional labor. So obviously, this episode, this podcast, is really designed for women. We have few good men who listen. Thank you so much. And it is so we've mostly women listeners. So I'm just going to talk about the women's aspect of burnout. So women often carry the mental load for their households. And this is so true. I see it in a lot of my friends who are moms, you know, like they remember everything. They're coordinating the childcare, they're managing family needs and often caring for aging parents. They also frequently are expected to manage the emotions of those around them at both at work and at home. Home, which is why, like it's possible to have a stressful job, but then if your home life is also demanding of you, then it like you don't have a refuge, right? And so that can be really, really difficult. Cultural expectations, the style norms, can pressure women to be nurturers, always available and have to have it all, creating unrealistic standards and feelings of inadequacy when these expectations aren't met. And this is also something that I've seen because, to be honest, I have a I have some friends, I've like, friends in air quotes that I've known from groups that we have been in, and I'm watching their posts on Instagram, and they're just like, so beautiful all the time, so put together. Even when they're like, I'm not put together, they're so put together. Like, their background is so beautiful, their house is so well decorated, and they're showing like, oh, I can be this, like, person who, like, makes sourdough, and I also am a badass in the workplace. That's amazing. That's wonderful. I hope they're so happy, but also, like, it can set up an expectation that we should all be feeling the same way as them, in the same place of our life. And like, that's just not the case, right? We don't all have the same 24 hours in a day. So the always on culture, a sense of constant responsibility, combined with social media pressure to maintain a perfect image contributes to a feeling of being always on and unable to truly rest. Lesley Logan 6:13  This is something I have really had to grapple with in the last five years, because a lot of the work that I do is on camera, you know? And I always was like, Oh, my God, maybe I have to, like, I have to, like, get ready. I have to do my makeup. I didn't even finish it today. If you're watching this on the YouTube channel, like, I, like, I started this recording, like, oh, we have no mascara on. Like, I got really good at going, you know what? I have to put out this content. I have to do all this stuff for the work that we do, that I that I that I created because I love this podcast, I love the memberships that I have, but I cannot also expect myself to be, in air quotes, on all the time. And so first of all, since day one, I've always just been myself online. I don't really know how to be anything else. And two, that means I don't match I don't always have my hair done, I don't always have these things. And so by just being myself, it has really helped me overcome the Always On pressures that can be out there. But if you are feeling that like that is a real pressure that is out there. And I understand that, and I it's difficult, but I hope that you can truly allow yourself to be yourself and everywhere you are and and you're allowed to have feelings and things like that. But if your workplace doesn't allow that, if, if the standards you set for yourself don't allow for that, if the people in your life don't allow for that, that can that means that you're always on, and that can be a pressure that's causing burnout in your life. Lesley Logan 7:26  So there are also some workplace factors that I think are really important to go over. Obviously, some of you who are listening don't have the opportunity to control the workplace. Some of you have created your own workplace. And so if any of these factors are in your workplace you created, we definitely want to, you know, unravel that if you have these factors in the workplace that you are in, then I definitely think it's worth going okay, at least I can pinpoint part of where this burnout is coming from. So inequitable workloads, women may face additional work outside of their formal roles, such as supporting colleagues, and have less flexibility in their jobs. We had an FYF of a few weeks back where I actually discussed, like, how men are given workplace reviews and women are given workplace reviews, and it's really annoying, because women's workplace reviews are often on, like, their personality versus like, the actual job that they did. So this is this can create chronic stress in the situation at your work. Couple that with like, what you've got going on at home, and you have a recipe for burnout, right? Gender pay and inequality. The gender wage gap and workplace discrimination creates stress, while limited career advancement opportunities and a lack of recognition for contributions exacerbate burnout. I mean, we all are aware that women are not paid the same amount as men, and then you add in race, and that is, it makes it even more of a pay gap. So if you happen to be a woman of a of color, you all you already are probably experiencing more factors towards your burnout. And so if you're feeling it like it's real, right? And I hate that for you, but I also think it's important that we don't deny that that's what's going on. And then lack of support. In professional environments, a lack of support from senior leaders and gender biases can make burnout more likely in this, yeah, lack of support in general, in life, can create burnout like it's so I have ADHD, so it's not easy for me to ask for help. I have to like practice. And the reality is is like, we all need it. We all need help. No one is supposed to do life alone. Lesley Logan 9:18  And then I just want to add this from Psychology Today, because in my research for this, I found a couple things that made me think of you. So y'all are high achievers. There's nothing wrong being a high achiever, right? Overachieving is exhausting. High achieving, nothing wrong with it, but high achieving women are at a greater risk of burnout and identity erosion due to chronic self-neglect. And you know, on this podcast, we talk a lot about prioritizing yourself first, so that that could be something that is actually causing the burnout. You could love what you do. You could love the family you have, but if you're and you probably do, but if you are lacking that prioritization of self and neglecting you, then you're going to, even with all the things you love, create burnout experience and then burnout why it's so, so important to pay attention to is that burnout can lead to anxiety, depression and a loss of personal meaning, connection. That's a big deal. It's a big deal. Not only are you not able to even have anything to be it till you see, but it can cause you to have missed experiences and relationships that that you probably care so much about, partners, family members, children, things like that. So it's really, really important that we address burnout and that we discuss, like, what it looks like, so that we can prevent it, and we'll talk about that in the next episode. Lesley Logan 10:28  But some common signs, just in case you're like, okay, I don't have it. So signs of burnout in women may include chronic fatigue, decreased motivation, feelings of inefficiency, increased irritability, disrupted sleep patterns, withdraw from social activities. So obviously these things can also look like perimenopause. They can look like depression. But you know, we had, we had somebody on the pod who is like, I'm not depressed, right? Not depressed, but I'm not fulfilled. So it, I think that it's important to be like, wow, if I know I'm not depressed, if I don't feel that way, but I have increased irritability, and I'm withdrawing from social activities. You know, if I'm decreasing motivation, I'm usually a very motivated person, there's something going on. And instead of thinking there's something wrong with you, we can look around what's going on in my world that is causing these things that are not normal for me. So with all that, you know, I definitely have had burnout in my life, you know, like we talk not much in recent past, because I'm because I've gotten so good at spotting what it looks like in my body and in my life and how I'm reacting to things. But I remember back in probably right before our wedding, I was, it was my day off, and I was driving to the mall to go buy something for myself. I were going to a party. I was like, I'm gonna go buy this thing. Like, it should be so exciting. It should be so fun. And I saw an email pop up, you know, those like little notifications on this email pop up, and it just sent me into having a total anxiety. I don't have anxiety, sent me to total anxiety attack. I had to pull over, had to call Brad, you know. And what we discovered is that, like, you just sit down and like, actually look at what's going on. And my workplace experience was just so stressful, even though I loved what I did, I love the people I worked with. I love teaching. I love being a teacher. I loved all of it, but the truth is, is that the people around me were creating a chronic stress experience. And so we got really clear on the numbers that I needed to make in my personal business, and we made a plan, and I worked that plan, and I was able to get out of that job, and I was able to notice, oh, oh, here are the things I am creating chronic stress in my own situation that I created myself. And so you're not going to be perfect at stopping before burnout, but if you can notice what it feels like in your body and how it how it is presenting itself, it makes it easier. Lesley Logan 12:54  So I'm gonna wrap up the episode here, because I know you're really busy, and I don't want this podcast to be part of the chronic stress that you have in your life. So thank you so much for listening to this series, all the series. If you are enjoying the series we're doing, I would love to know the topic you want us to like, do a little more research on, have a little more talk about it. Or if there's guests that you want to like us to have on the pod, you can definitely send those in. Mean the world to me if you leave a review and share this with a friend who needs to hear it, maybe you have a friend who's like, exhibiting all these signs, and it would just be helpful for them to be like, oh, nothing wrong with me. I'm just in a really crappy situation that is causing this kind of feeling and behavior in my body, in my life, and I there's that means we, once we know that, once we're aware, that we can make changes. We can't make changes if we're not aware, right? So thank you so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 13:40  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. Brad Crowell 14:23  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 14:29  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 14:33  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 14:40  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 14:43  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

This Fuck Yeah Friday, Lesley Logan shares the story of Dr. James Barry, a woman who changed medical history by defying the limits placed on her. The episode also includes a community win around collaboration and referrals, along with a personal reflection on how small steps build momentum. It offers a grounded reminder that progress builds through consistency, not perfection. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How refusing limits on her identity allowed a woman to reshape medical history.The importance of women supporting communities so everyone benefits.How long-term client relationships grow through shared history and trust.Why collaboration grows stronger through open referrals and support.How confidence and momentum grow by simply getting started.Episode References/Links:Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsHerWiki - https://www.instagram.com/p/DQS1YGZCOZd If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:48  Happy last Friday of January 2026. Holy freaking molly. This is crazy. It's crazy. Oh my goodness. How are you, babe? Really? I am so grateful that you are spending some time listening to this podcast. I do not take it lightly. I am obsessed with what we're creating. I cannot believe how deep into the 600 episodes we are. It is mind boggling to me, to be completely honest. So we're gonna kick this off with something that inspired me. This is insanity. This is gonna blow your mind and like, create things to talk about during your day. If you're like, oh my God, I don't know how to talk to this person, you should talk about this. All right. So for 56 years, the British Army's top surgeon had a secret so explosive, they buried the records for a century to hide it. Even Florence Nightingale never figured it out. Margaret Ann Bulkley, was born in 1809 Ireland. At 15, she watched her father rot in debtors prison, while her uncle, a famous artist, refused to help. Historians think she was raped, got pregnant, had to hide the baby as her sister. But Margaret didn't break. She did something so insane, so brilliant, that 200 years later, we're still shook by the audacity of it all. She killed Margaret Bulkley. Became James Barry, bound her chest, deepened her voice, and walked into the Edinburgh, Edinburgh Medical School like she owned the place. The other students thought he was a prepubescent boy. Too young, too smooth-faced. The university tried blocking the degree. But Barry had allies. In 1812, Dr. James Barry graduates, moved to London, becomes an army surgeon. The transformation was complete. Margaret was dead. James was unstoppable. Posted to Cape Town. Barry didn't just treat white colonists. He fought for enslaved people, prisoners, lepers. Made enemies everywhere. His temper was legendary. Once got into a pistol duel, shot the peak off the other guy's hat. Message delivered, don't f with Dr. Barry. Then came the moment that should have exposed everything. A woman with a complicated pregnancy needed a C-section. No European had done one in Africa and kept both the mother and the child alive. Barry doesn't has, didn't hesitate, cut her open, pulled out the baby, stitched her up. Both survived. They named the child James Barry. In honor. For 46 years, Barry rose through the ranks, became Inspector General. I mean, the most beautiful, like, just look at that. Oh, like angelic. Became Inspector General, second highest medical position in the British Army, reformed hospitals everywhere. Florence Nightingale called her or the most hardened creature I've ever met. She had no idea she was beefing with a woman fighting tooth and nail trying to survive. Barry had rules. Nobody enters while I'm undressing. If I die, bury me in my sheets. No examination, no preparation, just bury me fast. But on July 25th 1865 Barry dies of dysentery. The chairwoman preparing the body makes a discovery that rocks the British Empire to its core. Not just female anatomy, stretch marks, signs of childbirth. The second highest medical officer in the British Army had been a woman all along. The army went into damage control, sealed the records for 100 years, tried to make it disappear, but the truth was already spreading. The woman who couldn't get into university because of her sex had just spent 56 years as British Army's most decorated doctor. She performed surgeries men couldn't reform, healthcare systems saved thousands, all while, one discovery away from losing everything. They tried to bury her as Margaret, but she'd already buried, already buried that girl in 1809, she died as she lived as Dr. James Barry, on her own terms. Everyone who's been told that's not for girls, this is your ancestor. So whether we want to call them Dr. Barry or Mark like she I think Dr. Barry, this person's a badass, amazing and just goes to show us all that, like, like, things can happen and they can change you, and you can still change the world. You can still take all of that and go and change the world. And it's hard. I'm sure it was so difficult for this person, no wonder they were angry. No wonder people were fighting them, like, I can't even imagine. But also like, wow, way to pave ways, and way to make discoveries and save lives, and not just fight for one side, but also, like for the lives of other people. We can do a lot of things. So just proof that when women are in communities, we support the whole community. It's kind of amazing. Lesley Logan 5:17  All right, your win for today that you've sent in. So you can send in your wins to beitpod.com/questions you can send a question, you can send a win. But this is from MelissaYNagai. She's been with us for so long, and I love that she still sends her wins into us. So I realized today that every client I taught has done Pilates for years. Two go to yoga studios for mat, some have moved closer to me, so switched. A couple worked with me at a previous studio I worked at, and now here with me. Also, several of them have taken time off Pilates, but keep coming back. And that's so cool. I think that's so cool. I think it's so awesome. Also, that you're celebrating that they've been doing it for years. It's not just with you that, like they've just been doing it for years, and like it used to be when we all started teaching Melissa, I'm sure the same way, it's like, like, most people didn't even know what Pilate was. And now we have people who've been doing Pilates for years and years and years, and yes, people are still discovering it, but like, it's possible to have all these people just have, like, a lot of history doing Pilates. You also sent in, had some of the team from the health and wellness unlimited out to my home studio space for a bit of conversation how they can help make referrals, plus a mini workout. This is the clinic I share space with my second studio. And I just absolutely love that you are spreading the good word and inviting people in to see how we can collaborate more. Y'all, like, Pilates or whatever it is that you do. This isn't always Pilates. People who are listening whatever is that you do. It's better in collaboration. Everything is, you know, and it's hard to do because we're like, oh my God, why would they work with me? Or I don't know. I don't want them to think I'm still, no one is, I don't I you're not if you're listening this podcast, you're probably not an asshole, and you're unlikely to steal anybody's anything. But like, we can help people. My chiropractor sends us members. We send my people to my chiropractor. Like, it's just how it makes the world go round. And isn't that great? People want good referrals. So I love that you're shining from the rooftops, like, how what you do can support what they do. And I think I love that this is a win, Melissa, because we can all learn from that. Like, how can I work with someone over there who does something different than me, but with people who are the same as who I work with? How can we work together more? That's what makes things a community. That's what makes people feel less alone. Lesley Logan 6:09  All right, your, oh, my win. I always was like, okay, done, nailed it. You know, my win is, I was reflecting a bit about last year. I take a little while because, like, to me, I'm on tour for when the New Year happens. So I took some time. And on my vacation, I thought about, like, oh, I wanted to read 25 books in 2025 like, did I do that? I did. I read more. And I actually realized, like, because I started reading again, like, how fast I read again. And, like, I read things all over the place, like, all over different subjects and genres. And I really enjoy that. And I also count Audible books as reading a book. So because I listen to Audible books and read physical books, and I love reading physical books, that's just not always an option, especially when I'm on tour, that like, I could probably read even more. So, you know, definitely 26 in 26 but you know, it really, it felt really kind of daunting when I was like, oh, am I gonna read 25 books? How am I gonna read 25 books, especially when the first few just took a little longer than I thought. But the reality is, like you just get started. Just get started. And so I hope that helps you. If that is a goal of yours, to read more, and that's my win for this week. See how simple a win can be. I've read some books. Yes, I did, and I'm so like, you just it's actually quite nice to read a book. Lesley Logan 8:38  Okay, I grow towards my interests like a plant reaching for the sun. I grow towards my interests like a plant reaching for the sun. I grow towards my interest like a plant reaching for the sun. Oh yeah. Like chew on that all weekend long, loves. All right. Send this to a friend who needs to hear it. It really would help this podcast grow. Send your questions and your wins in. We love sharing them and listening to them and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 9:09  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. 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Retirement isn't just a financial equation—it's an identity shift. In this recap, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell reflect on the conversation with wealth advisor and researcher Gregg Lunceford, who challenges the traditional retirement model by focusing on identity, purpose, and emotional readiness. They explore why longer lifespans have reshaped retirement entirely and why high performers often struggle most when their job no longer defines them. Whether listeners are 25 or 65, this conversation reframes what freedom after work can truly look like. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Brad Crowell 1:01  Take it away. Lesley Logan 1:03  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the trailblazing, trail, trailblazing. Brad Crowell 1:12  Wanna try that again?Lesley Logan 1:16  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, don't laugh at me. I don't want to start again. Brad Crowell 1:22  No. The Welcome back was perfect. It was amazing. Lesley Logan 1:25  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the trailblazing convo I have with Gregg Lunceford in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, you fucked up. It's so good. Brad Crowell 1:41  It's a great interview. Lesley Logan 1:42  He's a great educator. He blew my mind.Brad Crowell 1:46  So inspirational. Lesley Logan 1:47  Yeah.Brad Crowell 1:48  You actually, literally said my internal dialog out loud to him towards the end of the interview, because you were like, yeah, after listening to you, I'm so excited for this next chapter of my life. And I was like me too. It was amazing.Lesley Logan 2:06  I know, I know, I, your parents need to listen to this stat. Brad Crowell 2:10  Yeah, he's a badass. Lesley Logan 2:11  So anyways, they won't even be out, and they're making decisions right now, maybe we have to get them an episode early. Okay, so you can come back and listen to it later. You can finish this and you can listen to that one, or I gotta finish the script. You can listen to this one, or you can listen to that one first, whichever you want to do. But just you gotta listen.Brad Crowell 2:28  You did not have to finish the script. You can just let it go. Lesley Logan 2:32  I could also just close the loop on that. Brad Crowell 2:35  That was the only loop that you know. Lesley Logan 2:37  Well, you know what, Sir. Brad Crowell 2:40  Today is January 29th.Lesley Logan 2:42  It's just after my birthday. You can still wish me a happy birthday. It's the anniversary to celebrate Seeing Eye Guide Dogs. So the Seeing Eye Guide Dog Anniversary is an appreciation for all the dogs who act as their owners' eyes and ears. The devotion and taught abilities of these particular canines keep them safe and enable them to operate as a fully functional persons. The day is meant to recognize a school that educates them. Seeing eye dogs go through extensive training to be able to, say, safely traverse the environment and all of its hazards for their person. That's why they're so worthy of this recognition. Okay, so I don't have a seeing eye dog. Obviously, we don't know anyone who in our life who has a seeing eye dog, but I have watched the dog who could tell a girl was about to have a seizure before she had it, and then opened the fridge and pulled out her medicine and gave it to her while she was having this like seizure. Brad Crowell 3:37  That's crazy. Lesley Logan 3:38  Crazy. And I have met people with dogs who can sense if they're about to have, like, an insulin situation, because they have some, like, a type of insulin diabetes where, like, it can change really drastically. I have definitely seen people with seeing eye dogs, and I'm so impressed. And so really, the rest of the days sucked. And this is the best one of all the choices. Brad Crowell 4:00  I like this one, though. Lesley Logan 4:01  I really like this one, because here's the deal. Brad Crowell 4:03  So the organization is actually called The Seeing Eye. Lesley Logan 4:06  Oh. Brad Crowell 4:07  Yeah. And I, I'm just realizing that as well. Lesley Logan 4:10  Okay, well, they got up, they didn't pay for the sponsorship, because they're doing great work out there for people who need it. Brad Crowell 4:14  It's a guide dog school. Lesley Logan 4:16  And I am just kind of obsessed with this. And so if this inspired you in any way you should go donate money to your local no kill animal shelter, because while those dogs won't be a seeing eye dog or a service dog, they certainly need your help. This is really or you could donate to your seeing eye dog school if they need the money like you never know. You might your life could change. You might need a dog that's a service animal. So I just was, you know, anything to help raise money and thoughts about, please don't buy a puppy. Go get go adopt an animal. They have puppies too. Brad Crowell 4:48  You know what is amazing. I'm reading about the school, and I think that my elementary school teacher went to the school, because when we were in school, she somehow lost her vision, and I remember she.Lesley Logan 5:07  You were taught by someone who couldn't see?Brad Crowell 5:10  No, when I was taught by her, she could. But then, like in a year or two later, when I was like, in fourth or fifth grade, we we found out that she lost her vision, and I remember her going to Braille school. And I'm pretty sure she went to seeing eye dog school. Lesley Logan 5:25  That's so cool. Brad Crowell 5:26  Because think about it, if you're like, you know, 5060, years old, and you've never worked with a dog before like that, how would you even know how?Lesley Logan 5:34  Yeah, no, you have to get trained. Okay? But now this opens up a whole thing. So then she couldn't do the thing that she loved to do. She couldn't teach anymore. Brad Crowell 5:41  I'm pretty sure she retired. Lesley Logan 5:43  Oh, that's such a. So wait, this sucks. If you're blind, what are your jobs? You could be a phone sex operator.Brad Crowell 5:52  Yes, you could be a phone sex operator. That's not what I was gonna go, but yeah, you could do that, but.Lesley Logan 5:56  But you can make a lot of money doing this. You could do you could be a 900 psychic.Brad Crowell 6:01  You could be a 900 psychic, or you could just talk on the phone, too.Lesley Logan 6:05  Yeah, yeah. With technology today, I think they probably have more options, but I just realized, like, that would suck, like, all of a sudden she can't teach anymore. What if she couldn't even retire?Brad Crowell 6:15  No, it's, it's very traumatic, you know? I mean, we have a close friend of ours whose husband was, he has a, like a degenerative disease that didn't strike until he was in his, you know, midlife.Lesley Logan 6:31  We do? Brad Crowell 6:32  We do. Lesley Logan 6:33  Oh, is it blind, is he going blind? Brad Crowell 6:35  No, but, but the idea of being able, of being an abled body and then all of a sudden, everything that was quote, unquote normal for you is no longer an option. And that scares, that scares me.Lesley Logan 6:49  Scares the hell out of me. But, okay, Dark tangent, dark comedy tangent. Okay, I think it was the French, it was a European commercial. Do you remember this thing? It came through at my Instagram, and this, like, got this woman and this guy, like, wake up on a couch. They like, had, you know, obviously had sex last night, and like, they woke on the couch, and he's like, no, I gotta go. She's like, you could stay. And then, like, he is, like, getting up, and he like, puts himself in his wheelchair. And then this guy opens up the door to the apartment, and he's like, what's going on here? And so clearly, the woman was cheating on her partner, and the whole thing was like, what, like, you know, just maybe think before you park in someone else's spot, or like using the bathroom, or like using the handicap parking and using the handicapped bathroom, and it I died laughing. I cried laughing because, like, what a great way to get people to go. Oh, I'm fucking using that restroom, or I've never parked in those spots because in LA, one of my girlfriends was just parked there to take a phone call and she got a ticket. Don't do it, guys, they don't care if you don't leave the car. Don't do it. It's for someone else. It is someone else's spot. But just made me laugh. I know this is all about seeing eye dogs, and I thought it was a great advertisement for not being a dickhead.Brad Crowell 8:08  Well, what a fun turn this took. Lesley Logan 8:10  Okay. Well, everyone, look, you, your life could change in an instant. So if there is a charity in your area that is helping people get service animals into the hands of people that need it, this is their I'm sponsoring an ad for them. Go give them some money. Give them some time. Brad Crowell 8:27  Participate. Lesley Logan 8:27  Yeah, you never know. Maybe you could become a really good trainer for one of these dogs. You don't know. You know, they people in prison are training some of these dogs so there's great work going out there. So everyone needs a hobby. This could be yours. Brad Crowell 8:39  I love it. Lesley Logan 8:40  All right, you guys, we are home. Brad Crowell 8:43  Yeah, we are, we are. Lesley Logan 8:44  I know where we are in the world. We are home. Brad Crowell 8:47  We are officially home. And last week was Lesley's birthday. Lesley Logan 8:52  Was fabulous. Brad Crowell 8:52  It was fabuloso.Lesley Logan 8:53  It was so fun. I think it's my new theme every year. I don't know. I'll probably change it next time. I'm an Aquarius, who knows, whatever. But it was great. 43 it's looking good, and we're getting ready for Agency Mini, which is next month. Lesley Logan 9:06  Yes, February. Agency Mini, in fact, it's a good chance it's on early bird right now, to be honest. Brad Crowell 9:11  Could be, could be, yeah. Lesley Logan 9:13  Yeah, possible. prfit.biz/mini is where you're gonna go. It's for Pilates instructors or studio owners who work for themselves or want to work for themselves.Brad Crowell 9:21  Yeah, that's profit without the O dot biz slash mini, prfit.biz/mini.Lesley Logan 9:26  And we are getting ready. Brad has never been to Poland. Brad Crowell 9:30  First time. Lesley Logan 9:31  And we have never been to Brussels. And we'll be with Karen Frischmann. And then we're gonna do a second honeymoon, because why not? And then we're going to be in London. So if you want to see us in Europe, it's the only time in 2026 we're going to be in Europe. xxll.co/poland gets you the Poland information xxll.co/brussels gets you Brussels information, and xxll.co/pot will take you to the London information and. Brad Crowell 10:00  Yeah, come hang out. It'd be so fun to meet in person. Lesley Logan 10:02  Oh my gosh. It'd be so fun. And as of right now, our 2027 calendar does not have anything in it, and it may stay that way. We don't know yet. I don't know. So if you want to see us in Europe, this is it.Brad Crowell 10:16  Sounds good to me. I was gonna say maybe Greece, but we're not sure.Lesley Logan 10:19  We're waiting. We're still at the moment of this recording, which is November of 2025 we think we have an invitation to Greece, and we're just waiting for the dates.Brad Crowell 10:30  We shall see. Anyway, in May, for all of those who aren't in Europe, join us virtually, we're going to do another spring training event with onlinepilatesclasses.com. If you were with us last year, two years ago, we did a summer, summer camp. Last year, we did a spring training we loved the spring training vibes, so we're doing that one again. We're going to do that event again, but the topic is going to be totally different. We're going to do how to get overhead. So it's going to include all of those kinds of exercises where you're upside down and, you know, breaking it down for you, making it feel a little more accessible and safe and all those kinds of things. To get on the wait list for that and get the more information as it as we start releasing it, go to opc.me/events, opc.me/events, and you'll be able to stay in the loop. Oh yeah. Brad Crowell 11:18  So today, we had a question, except we're going to change up our question. Normally, we, we get, we get tons and tons of questions. If they're a business question, we usually answer them in our coaching group, Agency. It's from Profitable Pilates, our coaching group, and but this time, what we thought we would do is just ask a few of the questions so you can kind of see if any of these are resonating with you, and see you know, like, how do we tackle, like, how is it that we support the studio owners and teachers that are inside of Agency? So for, for example, we have, we have a recent one that just got submitted. It said, hey, how much notice should I give that client give my clients about my rate increase?Lesley Logan 12:02  No more than 30 days. You can go as low as three days, but no more than 30 days. I've had Mini people do two weeks. It really kind of depends on, you know, if you're doing a $2 rate increase, you can do that next week. You know, it's not a big deal. Doing a $25 rate increase per session. You might want to give them 30 days notice. But we actually also have a course that tells you exactly how to raise those rates and how to actually how to give the people the notice you're going to give so you don't get you're going to have people who have no filter, and they don't realize what they're saying out loud to you can feel personal. It's not, but yeah, but yeah, that's what I would say.Brad Crowell 12:38  I mean. We've got a lot of different tools to support specifically, like, how much should you be raising rates and why? Why are we doing it this way, instead of it just being a random number out there. So if you're ever wondering, like, am I charging enough? That's why people join Agency, we get to dig into these questions with you. Kind of break down some numbers, think about it, logically, all that kind of stuff. Another question for you is, I'm thinking of changing my currently, I sell packages. I'm thinking to change to an auto renew subscription. So instead of selling a 10 pack, you get 10 classes a month or something. I'm assuming that's what it is. Lesley Logan 13:15  Yeah. I don't mind if it's a limited Okay. Brad Crowell 13:17  Yeah but how do I do this without being too wordy? How do I communicate the change to my clients?Lesley Logan 13:21  You're gonna have to have a contract. First and foremost, you, this is a auto renew, and the FCC, I believe, put some stuff in place recently. Look, it could have changed. Brad Crowell 13:32  They took it away. Lesley Logan 13:33  They might have taken it away. Brad Crowell 13:34  Click to click to cancel, or it's already it's already trashed. Yeah, they did. Lesley Logan 13:38  Fuck those people. Anyways, okay, so guess what? No one's fucking regulating. You can do what you want, but reviews still stand. And so if you would like to what I always believe is go back to your values. We have a course on your values. But I have, I have, if this was an office hours call, I could ask a couple of follow up questions about the person, because I have some reasons for not doing an auto renew. Meaning, if you are a solo teacher, I'm going to say no auto renew for you. What happens if you get sick? What about your vacations? There are ways to set packages up so they almost feel like an auto renew, but you actually don't owe people anything if you get sick or if you go on vacation, if you do an auto renew, you actually owe them whatever the contract states.Brad Crowell 14:16  Right, because, what if you're out of town for two weeks and they're like, well, I didn't get my 10 classes, what do we do then?Lesley Logan 14:21  And then they were out they were out of town the other two weeks. And then you also have to figure out with your scheduling tool, can it handle this? Can it handle this feature you want to change it to? If it does handle it, how easily is it to stop it and start it? Some people want to have 90-day contracts on these auto renews and then a 30-day notice. These are all things you have to talk about with a lawyer, but we can actually talk about that together in Agency, our office hours or coaching call to really make sure what's going to work best for you. And then, and then, if you are a studio with multiple teachers, what are the breaks you want to have? And then, why are you doing this? So the other question like, how do you communicate it? It kind of depends on what your values are and what the benefit are that you're trying to say, for example, if you're trying to say that our auto renew is great ease and consistency, plus our number one priority, which is community, then you would actually make it really easy for people to be on auto renew and really hard to be on a package, right? Because packages are more convenient for the person who owns a package, because they can decide when and if they want to use it and auto renew, they have to use it. And then what you need to understand about auto renews is it's another way of saying membership and once you have memberships, you have churn, and you will actually, you might be surprised how much churn you have with auto renews versus people with packages. Because I don't love to be on auto renews with places, because I travel so much, so I might not choose a place that forced me on auto renew or charges me more to be on a package. Now I might not be your client, so it doesn't matter. I don't want to scare you, but these are the things you have to think about. And where, in Agency, we actually coach you on it, because we don't do templates. What works for Brad's studio for auto renews is not going to work for Katie's or Georgia's, right? Like, we have to actually look at like, how many people are on the team? What is the goal of the studio? What are you what are the services under that? Because don't, don't get me started when I see I have to have a membership for mat and I have to have membership for a reformer, and I get mad about that.Brad Crowell 16:18  Now, that's too many options. People don't know what to do. Lesley Logan 16:20  And then they have to think about it. Brad Crowell 16:21  Well then, they just do nothing.Lesley Logan 16:22  Yeah, and so you just have to know, like, yes, it looks like that's how businesses are making money right now with all these auto renews. I'm telling you right now that bubble is popping. We are watching class-based studios lose clients who are middle class a lot faster than you think. And so there's reasons to explore what the options are. What's your purpose for running this change? Like, what? How is this easier for you? Do you think it's to have predictable income? What's in it for them? And then that's how we sell it to them? We have to sell it to them on how it's in it for them, they don't give a fuck about what's in it for you. I mean, they don't not give a fuck but they don't.Brad Crowell 16:57  You're right, like, really, that's not their concern, and it shouldn't be, right? No, so well anyway. So this is the kind of conversations that we get to have over at, in Agency, our fitness business coaching. So whether you're doing yoga or pilates or, I mean, we've had people in there who are we've had a chiropractor in there. We've had a doula in there. We've had bar boxing, whatever. So obviously the majority of our audience is Pilates. So that's primarily what we're discussing over there. But in the service-based industry, we we love doing this. We've been doing it for eight years now. So yeah, if you're interested in more information about that, just reach out to us or go to profitablepilates.com, and you can find out about the coaching over there, but. Lesley Logan 17:37  Join Mini. Do the Mini thing. Brad Crowell 17:38  Oh, join Agency Mini, yeah, go to prfit.biz/mini prfit.biz/mini.Lesley Logan 17:45  If you can sign up right now, it's $25 if it's on early bird, it's $65 if it's not, oh my God, for three days of coaching, change your life. Brad Crowell 17:52  Yeah. 100%. I love it. Well, thanks for joining us down that. If you have a question for the pod or question for Lesley or me, just text us, 310-905-5534, or submit a question at beitpod.com/questions and you can leave us both a win where we'll we'll probably weave that into our Fuck Yeah Friday episodes or you can submit a question, which we can do on our Thursdays. So stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into this amazing convo that Lesley had with Gregg Lunceford. Brad Crowell 18:21  Okay, let's talk about Gregg Lunceford. Gregg Lunceford spent more than three decades in financial services as a wealth advisor at Mesirow in Chicago. I'm sure I'm saying that wrong. He said it twice, and I was I wasn't sure. But anyway, alongside his advisory work, he's an academic researcher whose PhD studies at Case Western Reserve University, focused on the social, emotional and financial realities of today's retirement transition. And this was so interesting to me, y'all.Lesley Logan 18:50  Fascinating, fascinating. So.Brad Crowell 18:53  His curiosity about why even high, highly successful professionals hesitate to retire led him to explore how identity, purpose and well being shape this stage of our lives. And he's like part historian too, right? So he's also the author of Exit From Work, and he writes about his journey and insights into retirement. So, but I, I really enjoyed him breaking down just the different stages of our lives. And also, like, he's comparing generations. Lesley Logan 19:24  Oh, yeah. Brad Crowell 19:25  And like, how they got to where they are, and like, retirement package stuff that is not even an option for us. Lesley Logan 19:32  Let's just talk about, like, let's get more specific what the episode is about, just in case I haven't heard it. So we were talking about retirement attitude, in a sense, like in that, you know, the way my grandparents retired. I to this day, I'm shocked they retired. I didn't know they had money to retire. They didn't look like they saved anything, but like they're, you know, one, one side saved everything. It came out of the Depression. The other side could have been their children. So very different life. They're very young, and so they, like I, I have one set of grandparents who were retired when I was born, and I had another set of grandparents that worked the whole for a while when I was alive, right? And then they all had a pension, and then they just and then they just retired and got paid to be not working, right?Brad Crowell 20:18  What I think, what I think is amazing is Gregg's analysis, and I'm sure this is well documented now, but, but his analysis of life expectancy shot everything in the foot. Lesley Logan 20:30  Right. Brad Crowell 20:30  He said our grandparents' generation, and to some extent, maybe our parents' generation, the pension game, the reality is that people weren't living to be 70, 80, 90 years old. They were only living 60, 70, years and so if you're working until you're 55 and then they have to pay you out for a decade more before you're done, then. Lesley Logan 20:55  It's not that much money. Brad Crowell 20:55  Wasn't that big of a deal but when you're living till you're 80, all of a sudden the companies were like, this is a massive burden for us. We can't, we can't do this. And so then what? The retirement age got older, the pension packages started getting slimmer, all that kind of stuff. So like, when we look at our grandparents and they had just like, you said, how was it possible that they could even retire? It didn't make any sense.Lesley Logan 21:17  They always they had actually had money to give when they died. I was like, what? They had, they had money? So, so the thing that was really fun with Gregg is that, like he, you know, we got into this more deeply in the episode. It's worth listening to. But like during the 2008 recession, companies were trying to just fire everybody. And so they were trying to go, here's the money. All I do is take this amazing package, and people weren't doing it, and it's because it was emotional, like it wasn't just knowing the number, which is like, what the ads would say. It was like, who am I if I'm not doing this? And like, you know some, I worry about, like, like, your parents have worked, your dad's worked for a company for 40 something years. Brad Crowell 22:02  41 or 42 years, yeah. Lesley Logan 22:04  Well, you're 43. So, so and so he's gonna retire, right? And it's like, does he know what to do? Does he know what he's gonna do? Brad Crowell 22:13  It's so funny because, and also, he probably could have retired. No, no, he they could have, I think financially, they could have retired a while back. But again, I think you're right on the money. It's not, it's actually an identity, right. It's a it's the way that you see. It's how you define who you are.Lesley Logan 22:32  Well, and he's so, so, so Gregg, our genius that we interviewed, he said, you we now have a 20 year life bonus, where you get to define who and what you want to be, because you have your first 20 years getting 20-ish years getting educated. Then you have 20 something, well, Andrew advocates 40 something years that you're working, but then you probably have another 20 plus years to be anything you want. Brad Crowell 22:58  Yeah, because he was talking about the bucket list where people are, like, I'm old and decrepit, but I want to go see Niagara Falls, right? And basically, now today, because the quality of life is so much better, you're still active and able to do life normally, you know, well into your 70s and maybe even 80s, until you're willing to slow down so at that point. But like, so, so then your bucket list is a bit different, because, like, okay, you can probably travel, travel, travel, travel for five or 10 years. I mean, my grandparents did this. They bought a they bought an RV, yeah, and for a decade, they drove around the United States, for a decade, but they eventually got bored of it, and then they came home and they still lived for another 20 years, you know? So it's like, okay, so the bucket list thing, if that, if, if people aren't looking at the end of life as like, I gotta finally have a good time. Now, what Gregg is saying is, like, you could flip this on its head entirely.Lesley Logan 23:55  Yeah. Well, he, he emphasized that today's retirees have more personal freedom than previous generations. And you're probably like, Lesley, why are we talking about retiring? We're still going to be it until we see it. Because be it till you see it changes. It changes all the time. And also, if you are not considering what you want to do on the other side of whatever it is you're doing, I don't care how much you love it. I fucking love what I do, and I dream of exiting stage left all the time. And it's not because.Brad Crowell 24:19  She, this is what I hear around our house. I can't wait to be the person that people go who is she again and and she's like, something to do with Pilates, I don't know.Lesley Logan 24:31  Yeah, like, so there's a line in Notting Hill where Julia Roberts' character says, like, she, she says it in like, not a, not the nicest way about herself, but like, people are gonna look at her, like, as this person who was once famous for a while. And I see it as, like, a complete amazing thing where it's just like, someday it'll be like that, oh, that's that person who she was kind of known in her industry for a little bit, and it's like, yeah, she's not like, I like, I was once famous for a little bit in a small part of the world, and now I can move like, because why not? It doesn't mean I don't love what I do. And by the way, like, please don't freak out. No one freak out. Your memberships are fine. I'm not going anywhere. You got to tell people this, Brad, you got to make sure they know. We are currently creating two other things right now so no one I'm not going anywhere, but I do constantly think about I want to be able to retire when I have my faculties, to travel the world, to go to Antarctica, to do different things, I don't want to be in my 70s going, okay, now I'm hanging my hat up. No, I want to know who you and I are on the other side of working together like I there's these other things. And so I wanted to have Gregg on because when he told me what he did, I was like, fuck yeah. It doesn't matter how old you are listening to this, you can take some time to think about what is the freedom I want to have in this extra bonus of life I get. Your grandparents didn't get it. None of mine did. They all died young so. Brad Crowell 25:58  Yeah, the the I think it's, I think it's, I think it's just really interesting to look at the the shift of things, right? There's so many factors that that made the Baby Boomer, Boomer generation, like, pretty epic.Lesley Logan 26:12  Man, they don't know how good a ride they had. Brad Crowell 26:14  Yeah, and the wealth that they were able to build without, like, realizing it, and all that stuff has, that whole flow has shifted completely, you know, and so it's interesting, though, because life expectancy is longer, and I just, I just love that. So I think that really shifts into what I what I loved about he was talking about, he said something that I found intriguing. He was talking about football players, and he was talking about people who have high performance people, or make a shitload of money, and then they retire, and they, he said, they burn through a lot of money trying to figure out who they are.Lesley Logan 26:54  Yeah, this blew my mind too, because it's like, oh, hold on you. You have the money, but you don't know what you're gonna do with it yet.Brad Crowell 27:01  Well, or it's not. Lesley Logan 27:03  Or who you are with it. Brad Crowell 27:04  That's what I was gonna say. It's not even, it's not even what they're gonna do with it yet. It's they're trying to find themselves because they've been defining themselves.Lesley Logan 27:12  They weren't listening to this podcast. Every single person tells people to get to know who they are. Brad Crowell 27:16  Yeah, but they've been defining themselves by their job for 40 years. So then what happens when you're no longer able to define yourself? I know what this is like, because when I moved to Los Angeles, I was there to do music, and after two years, only two years of being there, so I'm like, 25 right? I am die hard into this band. We are doing everything and anything we can to make this band go and then the singer of the band is like, I'm going to grad school. And he quit. And he was like, my partner in this band. And I was like, what the hell man? Like, why did I come all the way out to Los Angeles to do this. What, to do what? What am I gonna do?Lesley Logan 27:55  Because you're gonna meet me. But that's okay. You didn't know that yet. Brad Crowell 27:58  No, I did not know that yet. It was down the road. So, so I was really I was depressed, I was angry, I was confused. I didn't really know how to I didn't know what I was going to go do. I still knew I wanted to do music, but I but what ended up happening was I really got into motorcycles, like really got into motorcycles, and that became kind of how I defined myself. It was how I I changed the way I dressed. I literally rode a motorcycle every day. I joined a motorcycle club. I would ride all over Southern California, you know. And so suddenly that became my identity. And it wasn't until I was networking and met some more people in music that I began to shift back into the music kind of things. But like, yeah, for sure, I can understand how people would be like, well, I used to be blah, blah, blah, whatever, and now I'm no longer so what am I?Lesley Logan 28:46  It's so easy to blow through money to figure out who you are. There's people who join Pilates training programs at 60 because they're like, oh, I think I want to do this, but it's like, eight grand, right? Well, what if you don't? Then people feel like, oh, I just wasted all that money. And then they do something they don't want to do with it, or, or they just keep trying out different things. And like, now they've got this now. They bought a kayak, then they bought the ski doo, and then they bought the boat, and they're trying to be retired first. And so, yeah, I think so, I think it's really easy because they don't know who they are. And that's Gregg's whole thing. They you have to know who you want to be.Brad Crowell 29:19  Yeah, he said many people who spent life meeting obligations are now suddenly confronted with, who do I actually want to be? Right? Who do I actually want to be? And he said, if you go into that blindly, you start chasing quick hits to replace the accolades of a job. You know, the team mentality, the psychological part of success, when you achieve a goal, you know, and basically it can feel very scattered. And he said, so what we should be doing is preparing what he calls a retirement identity. A retirement identity. And he said, instead of trying to figure it out when you get there, what if you started processing that now? And I thought, man, that's really interesting, because that's always been a question for me. You know, like, I asked your dad one time, what's it like to be retired? And he goes, I don't know. man, I've been retired since my 50s.Lesley Logan 30:16  Yeah. He's been retired for a long time. So, like, we're gonna live in Mexico and become tequila smallies. I've already figured this out. Brad Crowell 30:22  I love it. I love everything about that. I think that's brilliant, but, but also, he said there was other he said there was other options too. What did he call it the barista? Oh, no, no, that was the last week barista retired, where she was talking about, you know, getting a part time job. She called it barista retired. I think? Lesley Logan 30:41  Oh, I think so, but I. Brad Crowell 30:43  You know, like, and that's what your dad's doing now. And why is he doing that now? Because he doesn't want to sit around and watch a television all day. He wants to get up and be active. Lesley Logan 30:50  Yeah, there's, there's great. There's, he's a, he's a, he's a crossing guard now, he fucking loves that.Brad Crowell 30:57  Gregg was talking about, like he works with these clients who are looking towards retirement, and he helps them sculpt these packages, which are really clever, right? Because it shifts your focus of purpose in the job. If your job has been to manage a team of 50 people, now you might be training your replacement person for a year or two before you shift into part time. And you just do it, because you can do it from wherever you need to be and whatever. You know, lots of options.Lesley Logan 31:24  I am obsessed I'm obsessed with this whole thing because, like, everyone wants to know, like, how much money do you need to live off of? Like, that we even our lovely wealth people were like, how much money do you want to live off of when you retire? And we were like, we don't want to worry about money. That was our answer. Because I want to live in an Airstream sipping tequila. And, you know, coming back home here when the weather is good, and then, I don't know, we have a house in Cambodia, there's a I want to see the world. So we had that, but we no one was like, what is your retirement persona? Brad Crowell 31:54  Yeah, how do you, how do you imagine spending your time participating in the world, you know, as a retired person? Lesley Logan 32:02  I mean exactly. Brad Crowell 32:03  Is your goal to watch every movie in the last blockbuster? Maybe you shouldn't do that.Lesley Logan 32:09  We might have to talk about having different lives. Visit you. Brad Crowell 32:17  Actually, it's funny that you say that. He said, a lot of couples don't talk about this, and they see, I, you know, they see themselves retiring in different ways. It's not something that they've actually discussed. Interesting.Lesley Logan 32:28  Well, and you know what? Maybe I have to if there's an expert listening who does graduated marriages, I would love to have you on because that's what they're called. They're called graduated marriages, where you love the person you're married to. You don't want to cheat on them. You don't want to be married to someone else, but you would like to have some people just do a separate room. Some people have a separate house, like they live in a different place because they want to live over there. Clearly, that doesn't work for us, because I would get lost, but. Brad Crowell 32:57  Fascinating. Lesley Logan 32:58  It's fascinating, you know, like, I mean, you know, there's this one podcast I listened to, and she is been working. She still has her company. She's working. She works like a dog. She's got a really successful podcast, and she wants to travel with that podcast, and her current successful company is something that she can travel with, and her husband can't, and she's like, I love you, and you can visit me. I want to live for this many months in this state. I've never lived there. I want to live there. I want to feel what it's like. And so she got an apartment, and he is visiting her every other weekend. That's cool. And, you know what, maybe it spices things up. I'm not saying that, but that's the thing. But like, I do think that if you're in a relationship and you haven't thought about retirement together, may this be your assignment, you should contact Gregg and or.Brad Crowell 33:42  Or have a conversation with your partner. Lesley Logan 33:43  And if you're solo, yeah, yeah. And if you're solo, then if you haven't thought about this, you should, because otherwise you're just focusing on dollars. And that's where I think people get obsessed about what the stock market is doing, because you're not actually thinking of how it affects the person you want to be. And you get a little weird about it. And we have an episode with Wealth with Tess coming back on when it comes to, like, the stock and our numbers and all that stuff, and this uncertain time. But I just think that this is a way cooler.Brad Crowell 34:08  You're totally, you're totally right, because it does just become about like this, like, mad, mad. Like, focus on stashing cash, kind of the markets or whatever.Lesley Logan 34:18  Well, and there's much fear around that. And then it's like, but then who are you right? Like, I'm just obsessed. Brad Crowell 34:22  Exactly that doesn't actually address anything that Gregg is talking about here with your retirement identity. Lesley Logan 34:28  I can tell you right now.Brad Crowell 34:29  Your retirement identity is not a bank account number.Lesley Logan 34:31  He is the only person talking about this. I haven't heard anyone else talk about this. I haven't had anyone else to talk about this. And I am like, this is the stand still, like, number one retirement episode we'll ever have like I'm saying here today.Brad Crowell 34:43  Yeah, it's great. It's awesome. Well, love it. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into some Be It Action Items that we got from Gregg Lunceford. Brad Crowell 34:55  All right, so finally, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Mr. Gregg Lunceford. Lesley Logan 35:07  You go first. Brad Crowell 35:10  All right. He said in the planning process of your ideal self, this retirement identity that we've been talking about, he said, what you also have to learn how to do is to replace kinship with friendships, kinship with friendships, which I think is kind of cool. He said today we don't have kinship the way we once did, because families are smaller and they are spread out, right? And also we're not necessarily going into the office to have. Lesley Logan 35:39  Oh, we talked about the Golden Girls. Brad Crowell 35:40  Yeah, you did. Lesley Logan 35:41  Okay,so. Brad Crowell 35:42  Talked about the Golden Girls.Lesley Logan 35:42  Yeah, Sue, just so, you know, Brad, we're on a compound already with Steven Sue and I and a few other people. We're taking applications.Brad Crowell 35:49  We're taking applications. Yeah. So what's really funny, though, is he brought up the Golden Girls and we've talked about this for like, years.Lesley Logan 35:58  Yeah, and I was, like, a wealth manager co signed the idea, I'm in.Brad Crowell 36:04  So he said retirees, retirees must create for themselves on their own, a living setup that supports financial stability and mental well being, and that's where the Golden Girls concept comes in. So it has to include intentional socialization and finding things that create psychological success. So here's an example. He said. It's called an ABRC. It's an academically based retirement community. Or there's another one called a URC, which is a university based retirement community. And basically what he's saying is, if you worked in a field for a really long time, and you connect with other people who worked in the same or similar field, you will have a lot of things to talk about that are the same. Then you'll be able to have those conversations. So that's where the academically based retirement community comes in. Versus a university based retirement community would probably be like, Hey, we're all from the same alma mater, Alma Mater. I may be a year or two before you or after you, whatever.Lesley Logan 36:59  So here's my criteria for ours. Ours is going to be people. Everyone has to who, after Sue Steven, you and I. Everyone has to tell us what young person in their life who is strong on Strapping, who can help move heavy things, because you and Steven aren't going to like, stop doing projects. So we're gonna need help there. And then we just need, we need people who have children to, you know, to help take care of it, because we don't have any. We're not bringing that to this. We're bringing the project management to the community. But we don't have, we're facilitating. We don't have the young person, right? So, so, so sue and Steven have a three nieces on their side. So that's good.Brad Crowell 37:40  Okay, okay, okay. So we, I think we have a couple on our side too.Lesley Logan 37:44  We have, we are, I am the favorite aunt to our only niece, so there's that. But you know what? She might we need extra, just in case. We need to have extras. You gotta have, like, it's like having retirement. You gotta have backup. Brad Crowell 37:57  I remember my grandfather, who recently passed away. He was 94 I think, when he passed away, he moved out of his house at like, 88 or 87 years old into a retirement community. And he did it in, like a snap whim moment, because one of his longest friends for 50 years was like, hey, I just got an apartment at this place down the road. You should come, you should join us there. And he was like, absolutely, hell yeah, literally, called our whole family was like, I'm moving. And everyone's like, what? You're 87 what are you talking about? Lesley Logan 38:34  No, we're gonna find a mid century motel.Brad Crowell 38:36  But the, well, the goal for him here was community. Right? Where he went had, it was a it was like one of those communities that had live on your own, but they're still around, get partial help, and then eventually get full help. So it had three different facilities in one place. And so he moved into that I can do everything by myself, part of the community, and would walk down the hall and go play pool every night with the guys you know. And he did this for many, many years. And the belonging, that communal element that changed the game for him, because he was sitting alone in a house before, and he was like, this sucks. I gotta, I gotta get out of here.Lesley Logan 39:12  Well, I like our compound idea. It's a little culty, but not too much. And I only want the people that we want to be around on this. Like, I like what your grandfather did for himself, it's eally great. But there's also, like, a bunch of people involved that I didn't like, you don't get to choose them. So this is. Brad Crowell 39:30  But he found, like, love late in life too. You know, so there's that.Lesley Logan 39:33  He lived his best life. It's fine. I'm saying it's not ours. And that leads into my Be It Action Item that I'm talking about, which is, like, it's critical that this is a shared vision, yeah, so you gotta create a vision, the shared vision. I understand that I'm telling Brad about this vision a lot. Don't worry. I know what he likes.Brad Crowell 39:49  No, I'm very on board. I love me some tequila. So sign me up. Lesley Logan 39:53  I just think we have our great friends. We have a bunch of DINCs in our life off, but we get all the DINCs together, dual income, no children, all the DINCs together, we can have a cool kick ass compound with, first of all, just the just the red light therapy alone, we're like, already golden, so I'm just so in on this. But okay, so back to what Gregg said to do. Gregg said, create a vision. It's critical that it becomes a shared vision. And he actually said that research shows approximately 40% of couples do not even discuss retirement savings, which is bad, like whole no wonder so many divorces happen. People just don't talk about shit. Like, what is happening? Gonna start talking about your goals. Engage a professional like Gregg, to help you see how you can align your financial wherewithal with those visions. Probably Gregg, because he's the only person who studied this. He's the only, everyone else just wants to know what your fucking number is. He cares about what you want to do. And then, he said you have he wants you to think differently. He wants you to think about being your best self at this stage, not being someone whose society just says it's just time for you to leave. He wants you to, like, really think about who your best self is and take ownership of that, because you're kind of a badass, like people don't realize, like you have so much knowledge that is acquired from the time that you've spent so own that. And he said, in his words, you have more value to offer a lot of people than you think. And I think that that's true. There's like, so many different ways you can prepare, like you can be a big brother or a friend or a, you know, a leader of some kind in some capacity, with all this knowledge you have, you could, you can, you can, you can support people around you who need it. So there's just so much more live 20 bonus years. Plus, you know the way things are going, we'll see how we'll see how this ages by February, considering they're trying to get rid of nursing degrees and stuff like that in July. So we'll see. But I'm just saying there's a lot you can do. And I just really want people, I want people to have all the information. I don't. I don't like that some people have to work until they're 80, or because they either because they need the money or because they don't know what to do other than that, like that makes me sad, both of those. So hopefully this helps you. I'm Lesley Logan. Lesley Logan 41:57  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 41:58  Thanks so much for listening. How are you going to retire? We want to retire? We want to know what that vision What's your retirement persona? Tell Gregg. Tell the Be It Pod, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. Brad Crowell 42:07  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 42:08  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. 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