Podcast appearances and mentions of mark davenport

For a full transcript of this episode, click here. On the show today, I am going to use the term TPA (third-party administrator) and ASO (administrative services only) vendor kind of interchangeably here. But these are the entities that a plan sponsor—for example, a self-insured employer is a plan sponsor—but these plan sponsors will use to administer their plan. And one of the things that TPAs and ASOs administer is this so-called weekly claims wire. Every week, self-funded employers get a weekly claims run charge so they can pay expenses related to their plan in weekly increments. The claims run usually comes with a register or an invoice. This invoice might be just kind of a total (“Hey, plan. Pay this amount.”). Or there might be a breakdown like, “Here's your medical claims, and here's your pharmacy claims.” Maybe there's another level down from that of detail if the plan or their advisor is sophisticated enough and/or concerned enough about the fiduciary risk to dig in hard about what the charges are actually for. I was talking about this topic earlier with Dana Erdfarb, who happens to be executive director of HR at a large financial services organization. Dana I'm definitely gonna credit for inspiring this conversation that I'm having today with Justin Leader. Dana was the first one to really bring to my attention just the level of hidden fees that are buried (many times) in these claims wires … because when I say buried in the claims wire, I mean not charged for via an administrative invoice. These hidden fees are also not called out in the ASO finance exhibit in the contract, by the way. So, yeah … hidden. I don't know … if you have to hide your charges, in my mind that's a pretty big tell that your charges are worth hiding. Now the one thing I will point out is that just because the charges are worth hiding doesn't necessarily mean that the services those charges are for are unwarranted. Some of these services are actually pretty worthwhile to do. There's just a really big difference from a plan sponsor knowingly contracting at a known rate with a third party to do something versus paying for a service knowingly or unknowingly via fees hidden in a claims wire wherein the amount paid is not in the control of the one paying the bill. Anyway, I was talking about all of this earlier, as I mentioned, with Dana Erdfarb. That conversation was exactly the framework that I needed to snag Justin Leader, my guest today, to come on the pod and really dig into the detail level of what's going on with this claims wire. So, in this healthcare podcast, we're gonna talk about the five fees that tend to be tucked in to many claims wires. We also talk about one bonus—not sure if it's a fee—one bonus way that plan sponsors give money to vendors in ways the plan sponsor might be unaware of. Here are the five hidden fees that we talk about at length in the show today, and then I'll cover the bonus: 1. Shared Savings Fees. This is where a member of a plan goes out of network, and the TPA/ASO goes and negotiates a discount from the out-of-network provider and then shares the savings. Get it? Shared savings? This category also might include BlueCard Access fees, which we talk about in the show. But there also could be overpayment recoupment fees lumped in here. This is where the TPA messes up, overpays, and then charges the plan sponsor a percentage of the money they just got back when they corrected their own mistake. I'm just gonna pause here while everyone contemplates how we've all gone so wrong in life to not have figured out a way to charge others when we correct our own mistakes. Here's a link to a great LinkedIn post by Chris Deacon and a deep dive article on this topic. 2. Prior Auth Fees. Lots to unpack with this one, which Justin does in the pod. 3. Prepayment Integrity Fees. This is evaluation of the claim before it's being paid. Listen to the show for how this may (or may not) differ from what the TPA/ASO is supposed to be doing (ie, it's the TPA that's supposed to be [yeah, right] adjudicating and paying claims). 4. Pay and Chase Fees. This is where a bill was paid wrong, and it's not immediately the TPA/ASO's mistake. This is where something like a provider double billed or overcharged or something, and the TPA/ASO later figures this out and then chases the pay to get the money back. 5. TPA Claims Review Fees. Sort of self-explanatory but also not. Again, please listen to the show for more. When I'd been talking about all of this with Dana Erdfarb, as I mentioned earlier, just about this whole thing, she said something that Justin Leader echoes today: Many of these fees are structured as a percentage of savings. This is challenging for a plan sponsor because the savings is vendor reported and not validated. But it also means that if the savings increase annually with trend (as they, generally speaking, do), then the fees will increase with that trend as well—and that is something to keep in mind. Okay … so, here's the bonus thing that didn't get a number in the show today, but it is certainly a way that plan sponsors pay money to vendors. And this is medical claims spread pricing. This is buried in the claims wire and inside the dollar amounts the plan sponsor thinks they are paying a provider for a service. It turns out that it can turn out that the amount the plan sponsor is paying is more than the check that's being written to the provider for the service being delivered. Or the amount the plan sponsor is paying the provider for a service is more than for simply that service that has been rendered, right? The plan sponsor is paying the provider for other stuff as well, as is alleged in the DOL v BCBS of Minnesota lawsuit, which Justin brings up in the show today. It drives me nuts, honestly, when there are people who tout their transparency. But then it turns out if the equation is A plus B equals C, only like one of the numbers is transparent. Sorry, functionally, that doesn't count as transparency except in marketing copy. This is all to say—and here's Dana Erdfarb's actionable advice which sums up points Justin also made—when employers review their medical plan vendor contracts, they should make sure to identify, review, and document all fees being paid to their vendors and incorporate this knowledge into their renewal/RFP (request for proposal) discussions and negotiations. Jeff Hogan echoed this advice on LinkedIn the other day when he commented on this show: “Such a great opportunity for employers to have their administrative services agreements and other documents examined to discover these schemes. It's not hard to do. Also, a great advertisement for the value of having retrospective audits performed. It is eye opening to see not only the amount of arbitrage but often how payers don't even pay according to their contracts. Justin Leader is the perfect guest.” As mentioned a myriad of times already, my guest today is Justin Leader, who is president and CEO of BenefitsDNA. Justin works with plan sponsors, both commercial plans as well as Taft-Hartley plans, across the United States. Before we kick into the show today, I just want to thank By the 49ers for the really nice review on iTunes. By the 49ers calls Relentless Health Value a “leading voice in healthcare” and says he or she always leaves “with intrigue, a new idea or a new approach to problem solving.” Really appreciate that. That is certainly one of our goals around here. So, thank you so much. Oh, also, please subscribe to the weekly email that goes out. You can do that by going over to our Web site and signing up. There are a lot of advantages to doing so, which I've talked about before, so I'm not gonna do so again; but it is a great way to make sure that if you're a member of the Relentless Health Value Tribe, you are aware of the current goings-on. Also mentioned in this episode are Dana Erdfarb, Chris Deacon, Jeffrey Hogan, BenefitsDNA, Rik Renard, Cora Opsahl, Al Lewis, Julie Selesnick, Mark Davenport, Karen Handorf, Dawn Cornelis, AJ Loiacono, and Mike Miele. You can learn more at benefitsdna.com or wefixyourhealthcare.com. You can also follow Justin on LinkedIn.     Justin Leader began his career in the pharmaceutical and financial services industries. By 2011, Justin entered into the group benefits field consulting for many notable Fortune 500 clients. In 2014, he established BenefitsDNA, an objective, independent health and welfare benefit plan consulting firm providing compliance oversight, actuarial services, cost mitigation, and traditional broker services to Group Health Plan Sponsors. As a Certified Health Rosetta Chartered Advisor (eighth advisor to join), he's acknowledged for contributing to healthcare solutions in the United States both in policy as well as practice and is an avid supporter of Patient Rights Advocate. Throughout his career, Justin has been instrumental in introducing successful healthcare benefit solutions to the market, which have been pivotal in solving critical issues and saving millions for employers and their employees. As a mission-driven leader, he and his team are passionate about fixing healthcare one client, one member, and one partnership at a time. Having trademarked We Fix Your Healthcare™, their mission is one that his team takes seriously. Justin, a native of Bedford, Pennsylvania, holds a pre-medicine degree and a master's degree in exercise science from California University of Pennsylvania. His dedication extends to servant leadership, volunteering in the local community including serving on the PA State Council of SHRM (Society for Human Resource Management) since 2016. Justin is a public speaker and owner of Leaders Never Quit, where he dedicates his time to inspiring others with a message of hope, humor, and resilience.   07:55 How is the claims wire typically explained to a plan sponsor? 11:18 What is the whole point of self-funding? 11:27 Why is it so vital to understand what you're paying for? 12:38 What are the five “buried” items that wind up in these claims wires? 13:03 What is a shared savings fee? 17:10 “Rates are important, but so are your rights.” 21:01 What's going on with prior auth fees? 23:35 What is prepayment integrity? 28:16 What is pay and chase? 31:54 What is a TPA claim review? 35:47 Is there medical claim spread pricing?   You can learn more at benefitsdna.com or wefixyourhealthcare.com. You can also follow Justin on LinkedIn.   @JustinDLeader discusses #plansponsor #payments on our #healthcarepodcast. #healthcare #podcast #digitalhealth #healthcareleadership #healthcaretransformation #healthcareinnovation   Recent past interviews: Click a guest's name for their latest RHV episode! Dr Scott Conard (Encore! EP391), Jerry Durham (Encore! EP297), Kate Wolin, Dr Kenny Cole, Barbara Wachsman, Luke Slindee, Julie Selesnick, Rik Renard, AJ Loiacono (Encore! EP379), Nina Lathia  

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The Most Interesting Man In The World: Mark DavenportMark Davenport has built a foundation of innovative architectural design through collaboration that impacts all community members surrounding each project. With his positive approach and outside-the-box thinking, Mark easily connects with people from different disciplines and backgrounds. The diverse set of leaders and mentors that Mark has surrounded himself with has helped him develop a well-rounded perspective that has kept him grounded and grows his passion for helping others. Mark is an Arizona native.  His religious upbringing and early beginnings as manager at the local Peter Piper Pizza were foundations for business leadership and ethics. Mark completed all of his schooling in Tempe (elementary through college - Go Devils!) and progressed from an intern at SPS+ Architects in 1999 to firm partner in 2010 and Managing Partner in 2022.  Mark's enthusiasm and zest for impacting his community have reinvigorated the firm with new, innovative ideas.www.spsplusarchitects.comMac and Bleu is the hot new podcast dedicated to all things related to building Arizona. Topics discussed range from construction, economic development, supply chain, and market segments.Mac & Bleu also includes diversity in construction, local politics affecting construction, women in construction, construction technology, and more.The host JJ Levenske of Bleuwave have their finger on the pulse of the people building Arizona.The show brings in the brightest minds in their perspective positions and industries and JJ has the unique ability to touch on the subject matter that you want to hear.If you want to know who's building Arizona, tune in and subscribe to Mac and Bleu today!___________________________________________________________________________________JJ Levenske is a seasoned construction executive with over 30 years of experience in the commercial and industrial sectors.From pre-construction services to complex quality controls and close-outs, he brings a commitment to delivering the highest levels of professionalism and customer service.

In this #Highlights episode, we reflect on our conversations with Mark Davenport and Oscar Buendia. Find out what helped them break free from their fears and limiting beliefs and pushed them to invest in real estate and succeed in it! Sometimes, it takes finding yourself in a situation where your back is against the wall, with no other option but to decide for yourself and choose whether to crush your limiting beliefs or let them crush you. And when you find yourself in such a place, that is when you will truly know whether you have it within you to get it done or not.Key Points From This Episode: The key to being aggressive in investing.How to not let your fears motivate your actions.How to handle your fear of purchasing a property, getting the deal, or scaling.Fear is the real challenge.What taking a risk looked like for Mark and how was able to scale because of it.The advantage of working with a local bank to finance a local property.The first action step to break free from your limiting beliefs in investing.How small multifamily exposed Oscar's limiting beliefs.Having true mentors is a key to break free from limiting beliefs.Systems Mark and Oscar have established that helped them scale.How Oscar found his top-notch VA.Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:Mark Davenport on LinkedInLevare Properties websiteWS801: Not Letting Fear Motivate Your Actions To Scale Quickly with Mark DavenportOscar Buendia on LinkedInREI Brothers PodcastWS815: The Willingness To Take Risks To Reach Success with Oscar BuendiaAbout Mark DavenportMark Davenport and his partner, Phoebe, got started in real estate when they bought a single-family fixer-upper in NH in 2009. Halfway through renovations, they had an epiphany – ‘let's not work to pay a mortgage for the next 30yrs… let's build passive income through real estate instead'. So, they finished that single-family renovation, sold the property, and worked on a foreclosed duplex. Next was a fourplex. Nine months later, both were sold and two six-unit buildings were on the books, along with a three-unit and another foreclosed duplex. Having relocated from NH to Brooklyn, they optimized these buildings through new management and renovations. Now living in Kansas City, Mark and Phoebe have made another leap by selling their NH portfolio of 18 doors and investing in a 73-unit tower and a 33-unit historic repurposed hotel.About Oscar BuendiaIn 2019, Oscar partnered up with his brother German, initially intending to purchase a few properties in Ohio. That soon changed when they found a 20-unit rental portfolio. From there they networked and problem-solved their way to buying this portfolio.  Currently, they are working towards stabilization and then the disposition of assets. Their eyes were open to how to scale to larger assets, and from there they have set their eyes on raising capital and apartment syndication.Beginning early 2020, Oscar has now co-founded two companies with German, REI Brothers, and GoodDay Capital. The first company started was the social media outreach and education platform, where showcased are their podcast, blog, and projects. The second company developed was their Real Estate Investing Firm to syndicate apartment buildings.

There are so many God-sized opportunities around you. Have you missed them? Listen in this week as Dr. Mark Davenport shares how to see the needs of others.  

Guest Preacher, Dr Mark Davenport walks us through reorienting our life back to what God has for us.

We're back with the February issue of JPS article highlights. This time we're talking to editor Dr. Mark Davenport and authors David Cunningham, Prof Marc Wijnen, Dr. Adrian Woolf, and Ms Kirsty Brennan with Dr. Todd Ponsky. Hosts: Ellen Encisco, Em Tombash & Rod Gerardo Articles: Woolf et al. Building Human Renal Tracts https://www.jpedsurg.org/article/S0022-3468(21)00735-1/fulltext Wijnen et al. https://www.jpedsurg.org/article/S0022-3468(21)00734-X/fulltext Cunningham et al. https://www.jpedsurg.org/article/S0022-3468(21)00737-5/fulltext Brennan et al. https://www.jpedsurg.org/article/S0022-3468(21)00745-4/fulltext

Are old, historic buildings worth our time? For Phoebe and Mark Davenport, they are. Renovating historic buildings or even the ones that have been abandoned has been their passion ever since they had this epiphany about not wanting to trade time for money. They decided to educate themselves about real estate and never looked back.  Now, they're serving communities by transforming badly managed properties into viable investments, generating good affordable rates with good tenants. Their story is one of epic growth, going from owning a duplex to 145 doors in 5 years!   [00:01 - 04:06] Opening Segment Mark and Phoebe Davenport didn't want to trade time for money anymore Here's how this decision led them to real estate Why they're passionate about renovating historic buildings [04:07 - 11:51] Managing Boutique Hotels What investors should know about historic tax credits Mark and Phoebe explain The difference between federal and state tax credits How to manage boutique hotels according to Mark [11:52 - 17:33] Growing Into Other Asset Classes Mark and Phoebe gives us a sneak peek of their current projects The things they wished they knew when they were just starting They reveal their secret on how they work well and avoid conflicts [17:34 - 20:44] Final Four Segment A tool or resource you can't live without Asana QuickBooks  A real estate mistake you can help our listeners avoid Not doing what you've learned It's important to apply what you've learned to move forward Your way to make the world a better place Renovating properties to make them better Reach out to Mark and Phoebe See links below  Final words   Tweetable Quotes “Learn how to manage your own fears and learn how to manage and work through any doubts you have about yourself and keep on trying.” - Mark Davenport “If you keep on moving and keep on shaking and iterating and finding creative solutions to your obstacles, you will succeed. Your success might look different, but you'll get that..” - Mark Davenport “I think you just got to kind of go for it (grow into bigger asset classes) and just keep pushing and pushing until a door opens. It's not going to be handed to you on a platter.” - Phoebe Davenport “The number one thing that I think of when I think of mistakes is people not trying for things…you learn by doing.” - Phoebe Davenport   -----------------------------------------------------------------------------   Email mark@levareproperties.com and phoebe@levareproperties.com to connect with Mark and Phoebe. Learn more about their portfolio by visiting Levare Properties. Connect with me: I love helping others place money outside of traditional investments that both diversify a strategy and provide solid predictable returns.   Facebook LinkedIn   Like, subscribe, and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, or whatever platform you listen on.  Thank you for tuning in!   Email me → sam@brickeninvestmentgroup.com   Want to read the full show notes of the episode? Check it out below:   Mark Davenport  00:00 It's not that you have to be super confident in yourself but learn how to manage your own fears and learn how to manage and work through any doubts you have about yourself. And keep on trying, as Phoebe said, it's not that you're guaranteed success, but if you keep on moving and keep on shaking and iterating and finding creative solutions to your obstacles, you will succeed, your success might look different, but you'll get there.   Intro  00:22 Welcome to the How to Scale Commercial Real Estate Show. Whether you are an active or passive investor, we will teach you how to scale your real estate investing business into something big.   Sam Wilson  00:34 Phoebe and Mark are real estate developers with a passion for renovating historic buildings and improving property management. Their story is one of epic growth going from owning a duplex to over 145 doors in just five years. Mark and Phoebe, welcome to the show.   Mark and Phoebe Davenport  00:50 Thanks for having us.   Sam Wilson  00:51 Hey, the pleasure is mine. Same free question as every guest who comes on the show. Can one of you tell us in 90 seconds or less where you guys started, where you are now, and how you got there?   Phoebe Davenport  01:00 Oh, good. Oh, yeah, give it a shot. Well, I started as an occupational therapist, Mark's a musician by training. And so we were working our nine to five, so to speak, of course, a musician is never nine to five, but I was working nine to five and we were ready to start a family actually, looking at the mortgage payment and the bills and decided that we didn't want to trade our time for money anymore. So we started buying real estate, wow, duplex and lived in half and rented out the other and just got a taste of what it was like to have someone else pay our some of our bills. So we kind of liked it decided we would continue on down that path.    Sam Wilson  01:40 Oh, man. That's fantastic. You guys are in some really fun things right now, love to take some time to jump into but renovating historic buildings and improving property management, I mean, that's a really niche skill set, especially the historic or as we call it, the Hysterical Society dealing with them. Yeah, that's a unique skill set. How did you get into that?   Mark Davenport  02:01 Well, I think mostly by accident, like most of the good things we do, it just kind of happens. Well, initially, we were buying historic properties because they were cheap and good value like it doesn't like if you're buying a duplex. If it's historic, it's just going to be a lot, probably a lot, if it needs work, it's going to be a lot cheaper because no one wants to be bought enough knob and tube wiring, knows to be dealing with plaster and lay it so that is a lot cheaper. And when we started our business when we sold our single family and we wanted to have passive income. The first property we bought was yeah, it was a foreclosed duplex. And it was $100,000 and you know after renovating it, we live downstairs, upstairs pays the mortgage. And at that purchase price. Yeah, upstairs does pay the mortgage because it's a tiny mortgage.   Sam Wilson  02:47 Right. That's interesting. How did you guys I guess get further into historic renovations because that's again, it's a pretty cool niche.   Phoebe Davenport  02:54 Well, we bought a property actually, a guy kind of chased us down and said, Hey, will you buy my building? I think you guys could renovate this and do a good job at it. We said all right. Yeah, sure. So we went ahead with that. And the vision with that building was to transform it into a boutique hotel. And the first floor of the building had been a bunch of different businesses over the years, but maybe vacant for about 10 years. But the interesting part was the upper floors, it's four storey building. So second, third, and fourth floors had been vacant since the 60s. And so kind of like a time capsule up there. Just really cool old historic trim and doors with transoms, and all that cool stuff. And we thought, yeah, we can make a boutique hotel out of this and preserve a lot of the historic frame, what they call fabric, I guess is what the historic fabric is what the historic people like to talk about. And so we got into that thinking we could benefit from using the tax credits. And the more we dug, the more we've learned. Still a learning curve, of course, but the philosophy of the historic tax credits kind of aligned with our vision for the project. And I think that's why we decided to go that route.    Sam Wilson  04:07 How did you figure out about historic tax credits? And then if you don't mind explaining what those are?   Mark Davenport  04:12 How do we figure them out? Oh, goodness, I don't even know.   Phoebe Davenport  04:16 Well, I guess there's talk around the town ultimately. The guy that sold us the building had gotten the building listed on the Historic Register for Historic Places. And so he kind of turned us on to that. And he also recommended a consultant that could help us with tax credits. So the concept behind it is basically as long as you follow their criteria, which are very stringent in your renovation, then you get tax credits, whether it's federal or state tax credits. The state tax credits, you can pretty easily sell off and get cash back into your pocket after the project's done. The federal tax credits are a little trickier in that regard. You would need to have joint ownership in order for someone else to be able to use the tax credits. So unless you have a partner in the deal, or if you want to take sometimes like a lender will somehow get their name on the deed in some passive way in order to benefit from the tax credits, and you, of course, they compensate you to use those credits.   Sam Wilson  05:18 What's the breakdown between state and federal tax credits, and then when you get those credits, you get them at the end of the deal?    Mark Davenport  05:26 Right. I think state is 25% of qualified expenses, which will be a lot of the expenses of the property renovation, it won't cover things like furniture, or certain things, but elevator, you just a lot of the general construction costs you're going to have will be qualified expenses. So state is 25%. And federal is 20. State you can sell as Phoebe said, there are companies that will send you can syndicate the credits, larger companies will typically buy them I think maybe 90 cents on the dollar. So once you you know, you have your agreement struck, that's just goes into your bank account, I guess not having done it. But that's my hope, at least. And then what other? When do you get it you have to once the property is placed in service, they have to go through the process. So my understanding is about maybe six months after you launch the building, or the whatever it is, then, you know, it's done that all the legal stuff is finalized. And then yeah…   Sam Wilson  06:17 And you mentioned a consultant that helped you get those credits initially, will this consultant kind of be on board and help you get all the way through the disposition of those tax credits?   Phoebe Davenport  06:27 Yeah, with her in the beginning, and she helped us submit your application, which again, very technical, very detailed, and without a consultant, I would be really hesitant to try because I think you'd probably make a lot of mistakes, and maybe not get the credits in the end. So it'd be I think that's pretty risky to try that for your first deal. The state tax credit application is a lot more simple. So you could probably try that if you wanted to try it on your own. But our consultant is awesome and she knows all sorts of stuff about the history of the building in the area, and things like that, and really dug down into what was there originally. One of the biggest things that they care about is the windows and you have to have like the same dimensions to within a quarter inch on like, where the two sashes meet and around the I mean, it's very, very picky.   Sam Wilson  07:18 Wow, that's intense. So let's talk a little bit about, you know, what are your total expenses do you think we'll be on that project? And then how much how many dollars in tax credits do you hope to then generate, you know, upon when you get them all back in?   Mark Davenport  07:33 I think the property is about probably about $2 million all in and then the tax credits, maybe 400,000, something like that. Kind of my estimates,   Phoebe Davenport  07:44 If you take out things that are unqualified expenses and the cost of just legal assistance and consultants and things like that.   Sam Wilson  07:52 Right. So the total project is 2 million bucks. You're, but what about your renovation expenses? What do you expect that will be? Or is that $2 million from renovates?   Mark Davenport  08:00 That's what I said. Yeah…   Sam Wilson  08:02 I gotcha. Okay, so you're hoping like you said early on, you told me this number. And I'm just making sure I'm understanding I'm a slow learner, but that about 25% of your total renovation expenses will get reimbursed by tax credits.   Mark Davenport  08:13 Yeah, it's more as, 25 to state 20 for federal but so 45% of the qualified. So if the 2 million that we might spend to develop the hotel, maybe only one and a half of that is qualified. So then it would be the 20 and the 25% of that one and a half. Yeah. So that's kind of how we look at it.   Sam Wilson  08:34 Right. Understood. Okay, cool. That's fantastic. Thanks for taking the time to get into the nuance of that because it's not something we get a lot of chance to talk about, especially with boutique hotels. Let's talk a little bit about the management side of that. I mean, that's a brand new operating business. So you guys are going to do this as like a short-term rental hotel, or is it going to be an actual hotel? What's the plan?   Phoebe Davenport  08:54 I think it'll be a little bit of a blend of both. I mean, we're kind of setting up as a more traditional hotel but I'm sure we'll market to the short-term rental marketplace as well. So it'll be a little bit of both. We're not planning to do all the traditional hotel amenities like we're not going to offer breakfast and things like that. But we have put on the first floor of the building a couple of commercial spaces. And so we're hoping that one's going to be like a breakfast and lunch kind of area, maybe cafe and one will be an evening hangout spot, maybe wine bar, Whiskey Bar, or something along those lines.   Sam Wilson  09:27 Gotcha. That's interesting. What have you done to educate yourselves on the ownership and management of a hotel?   Mark Davenport  09:34 Oh, goodness, you sound out the bank.   Sam Wilson  09:37 We've done, we're gonna hit stop here. I'm gonna leave because I've never been that hurt, man.   Mark Davenport  09:43 That wasn't offensive. We work with a wonderful bank. So that was actually aimed as a compliment. Oh, man, it's a good question. We've owned and operated a couple of short-term rental like Airbnb apartments before, and we were just astonished at how much demand we had. So in terms of opera, we mostly think of it like this hotel is going to be more like an Airbnb. I mean, it will be out there on the hotel sites on Wikipedia and not Wikipedia, but Expedia and all these other places, it'll be out there. But we think of it more as not so much what people think of as a hotel corporate, you know, not like that at all. It's more just a larger amount of Airbnb that would be kind of grouped together. Right. So I'm not to say that we really are experts at all about this. It's mostly I think, in the town where it's in, it's in Central Kansas town called Hutchinson, which is where all properties are. There's there's a big need for you know, hotel, it's downtown, there really aren't nice hotels downtown. So it's kind of like, it's not that we're experts in developing hotels, it's that we felt we found a great building and a great town where it's a fit. So we'll just tool up and figure it out as we go.    Phoebe Davenport  10:55 Sure. Yeah. And we're planning I mean, so got 23 rooms, so it's kind of definitely on the small side for a hotel. But on the large side for Airbnb, yeah, you're gonna have a manager to do the actual work of running the hotel for us as well.    Sam Wilson  11:09 Gotcha. That's really intriguing. No, I love that. I'm sorry. I started like the bank. But it's one of those things that as you see people launching into new ventures, there are things that give them, that give them the confidence to say, hey, I can succeed at that, right? It's not like you didn't just wake up one day not getting them a build or renovate a hotel. Like there were some things that led up to the confidence I can have success in this. So I guess that was the question I was really trying to ask.    Mark Davenport  11:32 That's always our story is well, we under single-family, and then we sold it and bought a duplex. We'd never done a duplex before. You know, so it's striking…   Phoebe Davenport  11:40 …distance. Yeah. So I think the same thing is we tend to be higher on the risk side, we're willing to take a risk and just try it out. Because what do you have to lose? True.   Sam Wilson  11:52 Yeah, absolutely. That's fantastic. What else are you guys working on right now on the development side or is this the one that's kind of the front and center project?   Mark Davenport  12:01 Uh, no, in that town, where we're doing the boutique hotel, Hutchinson, Kansas, we own a couple of other larger properties, one's a 12-storey tower, and then a six-storey tower as well, those ones we purchased first, about a year, year and a half ago. So we've done a lot of work, renovating apartments and commercial spaces in those buildings. And that continues to this day. I mean, if they're kind of different. They're different beasts from the boutique hotel, but the boutique hotel is more like the new thing for us where we're learning a lot. But the apartments and the commercial spaces, that's a little bit, we're a little bit more familiar with that although a 12-storey tower we were not familiar with at all until we had to become familiar with it.   Sam Wilson  12:41 That's absolutely intriguing. What are some things you wish you knew that you know, now before you bought that 12-storey tower?   Phoebe Davenport  12:47 Elevators. Oh, my gosh. So we moved to Kansas City from the East Coast. And our largest property on the east coast was a six-unit apartment building, woodframe house, essentially. And so when we bought concrete block 12-storey tower with elevators, it was the elevators in my mind, were one of the steepest learning curves, and we're still learning on that front. The companies provide terrible service, it seems, and they charge you your left arm for that, and a lot of negotiating and trying to wrangle them to get decent service for a reasonable price.   Sam Wilson  13:27 Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, that's one of the things I would have thought out or thought of out of the gate. You know, what elevator repairs and maintenance? I mean, because those are things no one wants to get stuck in. Absolutely intriguing. If you know, if our listeners want to scale up their portfolio, you know, they say, “Hey, you know, we're in the duplex, we want to do like what Mark and Phoebe have done and just go out there and grow into bigger asset classes.” What are some things you would tell them?   Mark Davenport  13:50 Wow, I think it's a great idea. I mean, I don't think everyone wants to do that. But if you want to do that, I mean, I think, oh, goodness, I don't even know how do we do it?   Phoebe Davenport  13:59 You got to go for it. I mean, you just have to try. So when we went to buy Plaza Towers, which is our first big building, Mark knocked on the door of every bank in town, you know, open up the phonebook and call down all of them, and only one would even entertain the idea, really. So I think you just got to kind of go for it and just keep pushing and pushing until a door opens. It's not going to be handed to you on a platter. But if you try for it, it's not rocket science, either. You know?   Mark Davenport  14:27 Yeah. Yeah, that's what we discovered is and we're still discovering that to this day, because every time we've done, well, yeah, every time pretty much where we go for a new property. It's a new size of property for us, like the 12-storey tower that we owned before that was a six-unit. This is 75. So it's like, well, the issue you have is if you go to a bank, they're gonna say well show us your track record with 75-unit buildings you'll be like, don't have one. I did really well with this other one is not that you have to be super confident in yourself, but learn how to manage your own fears and learn how to manage and work through any doubts you have about yourself and keep on trying as Phoebe said, it's not that you're guaranteed success. But if you keep on moving and keep on shaking and iterating and finding creative solutions to your obstacles, you will succeed, your success might look different. But you'll get that.   Sam Wilson  15:16 How did you ultimately convince the bank to give you guys a loan on that property?   Mark Davenport  15:20 It's a great question. We should put you on the phone with the bank. I think probably what it was, you want speak to that?    Phoebe Davenport  15:26 Yeah. That was, that's Mark's side of the business. I do more the development once we own the properties.   Mark Davenport  15:31 Yeah, I think I sat with her. And I must have just talked to her about our vision for how we do our company and our vision for developing properties in the downtown of Hutchinson, Kansas, which is where the properties are and my guess is they this, this bank is kind of a local bank, they also have that vision. They also financed the previous owner of the building, so they had a relationship with the previous owner. So they knew the building, they had some idea of the track record. And I think it just kind of worked out. I mean, we had what we needed for the downpayment, their loan product worked. So, that's a great question. I wondered that myself, sometimes, you know, I think I might even have asked our banker at one point, you know, why did you?   Sam Wilson  16:13 It's a great problem to have when the bank says yes, so there's absolutely no complaints. Talk to me a little bit about working together. What's been a way because you mentioned that Phoebe, you said, hey, you know, that's Mark's kind of side of the business. So what's a way that you two have found to work together without causing friction?   Phoebe Davenport  16:28 Well, I guess it's just we tried to play to our strengths. So in the beginning, you really just get down and dirty and all hands on deck, we were in that, when we first bought our first duplex, we were both doing the actual renovation work. And then as we've grown a little bit, Mark's got a nice accent. So he's good at schmoozing, interfacing with, we work with partner, with investors as well. So he talks to investors and gets funding together and things like that. He likes to think about the big picture. And I really am good at logistics and getting down to the details. So I do the project management side and help develop the properties once we own them. So that's kind of how it works for us.   Mark Davenport  17:09 Friction does not, incredible amounts of friction that destroy our business. But yeah, generally it works really well.   Sam Wilson  17:16 Right now. That's fantastic. I love that. Yeah, figuring out what your strengths are, and then just playing to those. That's a common area of like I said, friction for a lot of people especially getting started. It's like, wait, hey, we're all doing the same thing and quit doing what I'm doing. I'm trying to do it. You're doing just quit doing it just, yeah. That's it. I love how you guys have figured that out. That's fantastic. Let's jump here into the final four questions. The first one is this. What is one tool, resource you find you can't live without? Think digital, think software, something along those lines.   Mark Davenport  17:43 Oh, wow. Asana. We use project management, like task project management software called Asana. We use that kind of set our priorities, set to do things into lists and things like that. So we use Asana for that. Jada,   Phoebe Davenport  17:56 QuickBooks is the first thing that came to mind for me because I do the numbers side of our business.   Sam Wilson  18:01 That's absolutely imperative. Good for you. That's a skill set I do not have. So thank you for doing that in your own business. Question number two is when it comes to investing in real estate, what's one mistake you can help our listeners avoid? And how would you avoid it?    Mark Davenport  18:14 Oh, goodness.   Phoebe Davenport  18:15 The number one thing that I think of when I think of mistakes is people not trying for things. A lot of times I hear people talk or they listen to a lot of podcasts. And they're always like learning and thinking about it. But then they don't actually go ahead and do it. I'm like you learn by doing and of course, you make mistakes, we have this concept I like to call learning money where you know, you make mistakes, something cost you more than it should have or you hire a contractor, you get stiffed or whatever happens, and you think, all right, that was learning money I would have paid if I was going to get a college degree in property development. I would have paid for a class and I'm just going to count that as a class and learn from it and move on but I think really you got to go for it. So…   Sam Wilson  19:01 I love that, learning money Yeah, you're gonna pay for your education one way or another. So…   Phoebe Davenport  19:04 Yeah, might as well make money while you're paying too   Sam Wilson  19:08 Right, absolutely love that. When it comes to investing in the world, what's one thing you're doing right now to make the world a better place?   Mark Davenport  19:14 We have lots of apartments in two apartment buildings where they've just completely beat to hell. Really bad tenants, nasty carpets, bugs, roaches, feces.   Sam Wilson  19:27 All the stuff we don't want.   Mark Davenport  19:28 Yeah, well, we want it because we want to buy those properties, but we don't want it to stay that way. So we work with a great construction company and a great property management company and they have their guys working through it and one by one you know turning these apartments around presenting them back to the market. Good affordable rates, good tenants, those are we think that's a pretty profound impact on the world.   Sam Wilson  19:51 Yeah, absolutely. I love that very, very cool. Mark and Phoebe, if our listeners want to get in touch with you or learn more about you and your company, what is the best way to do that?   Phoebe Davenport  20:00 We have a website. It's called levareproperties.com, L-E-V-A-R-E, properties dot com. We, you can also find us on Facebook and Instagram.   Sam Wilson  20:10 Fantastic. We will make sure we put those links there in the show notes. Mark and Phoebe, thank you for your time today. It was a pleasure to get to know you.    Phoebe Davenport  20:18 Thank you.    Sam Wilson  20:19 Hey, thanks for listening to the How to Scale Commercial Real Estate Podcast. If you can do me a favor and subscribe and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, whatever platform it is you use to listen, if you can do that for us, that would be a fantastic help to the show. It helps us both attract new listeners, as well as rank higher on those directories. So I appreciate you listening. Thanks so much and hope to catch you on the next episode  

This podcast is a discussion of the international approach to diagnosis and management of biliary atresia, amongst Dr. Todd Ponsky, Dr. Yamataka Atsuyuki, Dr. Greg Tiao, Dr. Mark Davenport, and Dr. Jorge Bezerra. In part two of this podcast, we add the gastroenterology perspective, with insight into future evaluation for biliary atresia, followed by debate on post operative management and complications.

This podcast is a discussion of the international approach to diagnosis and management of biliary atresia, amongst Dr. Todd Ponsky, Dr. Yamataka Atsuyuki, Dr. Greg Tiao, Dr. Mark Davenport, and Dr. Jorge Bezerra. In part one of this podcast, three surgeons discuss the differential diagnosis, work up and surgical management of biliary atresia.

We interviewed Mark Davenport. Mark came into real estate mostly by chance. In his early twenties he worked as a musician before he transitioned into construction and property management. He learned construction by renovating his single family house and the various investment properties Phoebe and he have renovated/managed along the way. Mark now focuses on strategic direction, investor relationships and networking. He loves a good cigar (or any cigar, frankly!), music and a good read. In this episode, we cover several key topics including: How Mark Bought a 12 Story Building Negotiating With a Tough Seller Economic Downturns and Affordable Housing His Current Hotel Project And more! Connect with Mark: Website - https://www.levareproperties.com/ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-davenport-7a32301b6/ Email - mark@levareproperties.com Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/levareproperties/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/levareproperties And if you want more tips and guidance, sign up to our weekly newsletter at www.donisinvestmentgroup.com/monopoly. Follow Us: @donisbrothers on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook @Donis Investment Group on Linkedin Website --> www.donisinvestmentgroup.com

We interviewed Mark Davenport. Mark came into real estate mostly by chance. In his early twenties he worked as a musician before he transitioned into construction and property management. He learned construction by renovating his single family house and the various investment properties Phoebe and he have renovated/managed along the way. Mark now focuses on strategic direction, investor relationships and networking. He loves a good cigar (or any cigar, frankly!), music and a good read. In this episode, we cover several key topics including: How Mark Bought a 12 Story Building Negotiating With a Tough Seller Economic Downturns and Affordable Housing His Current Hotel Project And more! Connect with Mark: Website - https://www.levareproperties.com/ LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-davenport-7a32301b6/ Email - mark@levareproperties.com Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/levareproperties/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/levareproperties And if you want more tips and guidance, sign up to our weekly newsletter at www.donisinvestmentgroup.com/monopoly. Follow Us: @donisbrothers on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook @Donis Investment Group on Linkedin Website --> www.donisinvestmentgroup.com

Mark is a real estate investor with a passion for renovating historic buildings and improving property management. He came into real estate mostly by chance. In his early twenties, he worked as a musician before he transitioned into construction and property management. He learned construction by renovating his single-family house and the various investment properties Phoebe and he have renovated/managed along the way.   [00:01 - 04:38] Opening Segment Get to know Mark Davenport How Mark and his wife got into real estate Kansas City Real Estate   [04:39 - 09:52] Working Together What makes Mark unique is… Looking for something with potential and excitement! Mark's Real Estate Mindset “We work on it together.”   [09:53 - 23:31]  They Bought a 12 Story Tower! How to Get Your Mindset in the Right Place Internal State versus Decision-Making Real Estate in the United Kingdom How to Get Over Rejection Mark's Rejection Stories Recognizing Value Differently The Types of Deals Mark Invests In At the Beginning of The Historic West Bottoms   [23:22 - 30:22] Closing Segment Quick break for our sponsorsGroundfloor offers short-term, high-yield real estate debt investments to the general public. Check www.passivewealthstrategy.com/groundfloor/ to get started. What is the best investment you've ever made other than your education?Single family to a duplex Mark's worst investmentSingle family homes What is the most important lesson that you've learned in business and investing?“Just take the next step.” Connect with my guest. See the links below.   Tweetable Quotes: “You can always make the next step.” - Mark Davenport “I like to be at the beginning.” - Mark Davenport “You just gotta do it.” - Mark Davenport ------------ Connect with Mark Davenport through hello@levareproperties.com, Instagram and LinkedIn.  Visit their website https://www.levareproperties.com/.   Invest passively in multiple commercial real estate assets such as apartments, self storage, medical facilities, hotels and more through https://www.passivewealthstrategy.com/crowdstreet/ Participate directly in real estate investment loans on a fractional basis. Go to www.passivewealthstrategy.com/groundfloor/ and get ready to invest on your own terms.  LEAVE A REVIEW + help someone who wants to explode their business growth by sharing this episode or click here to listen to our previous episodes.                   

Getting loans when you don't have the multifamily track record with Mark Davenport and Kalib Williams.Follow us on Instagram, Facebook, and TwitterFor more educational content, visit our website at www.diaryofanapartmentinvestor.comInterested in investing with Four Oaks Capital?  First step is to schedule a call with us. This episode originally aired on September 27th 2021----Mark DavenportMark and his partner Phoebe are real estate developers with a passion for renovating historic buildings and improving property management. Their story is one of epic growth, epiphanies that produce real life change and going from owning a duplex to 145 doors… in 5 years!----Kalib WilliamsMy name is Kalib Williams I am a chef and investor in Greenville, SC. I was born and raised here. I am a young investor who's current focus is on multifamily and some fix and flip. My favorite color is orange and my favorite book is The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham. ----Your host, Brian Briscoe, is a co-founder and principal in the real estate investing firm Four Oaks Capital.  He and his team currently have 629 units worth $36 million in assets under management and are continuing to grow.  He will retire as a Lieutenant Colonel in the United States Marine Corps in 2021. Learn more about him and the Four Oaks team at www.fouroakscapital.com  or contact him at brianbriscoe@fouroakscapital.com - be sure to let him know where you found him.Connect with him on LinkedIn or Facebook.vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv> Check out our multifamily investing community!> The Tribe of Titans> Get exclusive access to the Four Oaks Team!> Find it at https://www.thetribeoftitans.info^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dr. Ami Shah and Dr. Gwyneth Sullivan recently published an article about the disruption score, a new bibliometric tool, in the Journal of Pediatric Surgery. We discussed the article, entitled "Shifting paradigms: The top 100 most disruptive papers in core pediatric surgery journals," with the authors, JPS Editor Dr. Mark Davenport, and Dr. Todd Ponsky. Hosts: Rodrigo Gerardo and Ellen Encisco The full article: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jpedsurg.2021.02.002

Mark Davenport, President of the Seaford Junior Football Club, spoke with 3AW on Wednesday. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mark Davenport, Former Political Editor, BBC Northern Ireland

Mark Davenport, Co-Founder of Levare Properties, joins us to discuss his transition to real estate, starting out in single family, the recent acquisition of a 12 story apartment building, and much more . Connect with Mark at https://www.levareproperties.com/

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Are we just jogging through our spiritual lives or are we running the race to win the prize? Check out Pastor Mark's inspiring message!

As we begin 2021, we hope to return to normalcy. However, there are some things we will want to leave behind.

Scaling your business is not just about expanding your portfolio; it's also about growing as a person. New deals bring new challenges you have to overcome, and by pushing through, you will come out better on the other side. Today's guest, Mark Davenport of Levare Properties, joins us to talk about the importance of getting past fear and self-limiting beliefs so that you can scale and succeed. In this episode, we talk about the transition Mark made from a music career to real estate investing and why jumping in rather than planning perfectly is often the best decision. Mark shares the details of a 12-story building he bought in February, just as the pandemic was starting to take hold.

Final episode of the Christmas Tradition series, Pastor Mark discusses disappointment.

Pastor Mark Davenport continues the Christmas Traditions series with Elf on a shelf.

Secret Santa is a Christmas. Tradition that many participate in during the holidays. Today, Pastor Mark Davenport explores this tradition and asks us if some people today are playing secret Santa with their Christianity. Bible Verses Romans 12:9 Galatians 1:6 Acts 13:38 Matthew 23:3 Esther 9:23 1 John 2:29

Today's episode with Mark Davenport is a great example of how you can go full time in real estate with just a few deals! Mark is an investor that I've personally known a long time with a very unique story… you'll learn how he managed renovation projects from multiple states away, how he uniquely added value to his first few properties, and how he was able to scale his business. This is a great show for both newer and experienced investors - stick around!Mark and his partner, Phoebe, are the owners of Levare Properties, LLC. Mark got started in real estate when he and his partner, Phoebe, purchased and started working on an owner-occupied single-family in Dover, NH. Fast forward many years, and they wanted to pivot away from a 9-5, middle-class career model. In 2015 they chose to sell the single-family and renovate a foreclosed duplex in a neighboring town. They discovered a passion for renovation and generating passive income and began scaling their business - moving quickly through a 4plex and a few 6 units. Most recently acquiring a 72 unit 12-story apartment building in Kansas, they're still adopting a posture of aggressive growth as they push through a target to pass 100 doors by the end of 2020. They also work with investors who are keen on using real estate to generate strong, sustainable returns. Show Notes:2:55 Mark shares his background as a musician, how he got into real estate, and what his business looks like today.5:06 We talk about Mark's first deal and how it paved the road for his future investments. 6:23 Mark shares how he got into small multifamily properties and how he progressed to larger properties by “trading up”14:30 We discuss the issues Mark encountered during the value-add process with one of his properties and how he overcame them.18:00 Mark shares the details on one of the mixed-use properties he purchased and how he converted it to residential. 22:17 We discuss the differences of renting on Airbnb vs. renting traditionally and how he successfully rented on Airbnb. 26:36 Mark talks about why he sold his properties and the types of properties he is seeking in the midwest. 34:12 We discuss the details regarding Mark's 72 unit and what drew him to the deal.40:40 Mark shares how he plans on leasing his property and what his vision for the project is43:40 We learn about the fears and concerns Mark had when closing his large multifamily property.48:01 Mark shares his vision for the next 6-12 months and what types of deals he plans on pursuing.51:40 We learn what Mark considers his biggest failure in real estate.54:38 Mark talks about what he would do differently if he started his real estate business again. CONNECT WITH MARKhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-davenport-7a32301b6/https://www.levareproperties.com/CONNECT WITH AXELhttps://www.instagram.com/multifamilywealth/?hl=enhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/axelragnarsson/Download my investor toolkit (cash flow calculator, investor pitch deck, scope of work template, and renovation checklist) here.

Today's episode with Mark Davenport is a great example of how you can go full time in real estate with just a few deals! Mark is an investor that I've personally known a long time with a very unique story… you'll learn how he managed renovation projects from multiple states away, how he uniquely added value to his first few properties, and how he was able to scale his business. This is a great show for both newer and experienced investors - stick around!Mark and his partner, Phoebe, are the owners of Levare Properties, LLC. Mark got started in real estate when he and his partner, Phoebe, purchased and started working on an owner-occupied single-family in Dover, NH. Fast forward many years, and they wanted to pivot away from a 9-5, middle-class career model. In 2015 they chose to sell the single-family and renovate a foreclosed duplex in a neighboring town. They discovered a passion for renovation and generating passive income and began scaling their business - moving quickly through a 4plex and a few 6 units. Most recently acquiring a 72 unit 12-story apartment building in Kansas, they're still adopting a posture of aggressive growth as they push through a target to pass 100 doors by the end of 2020. They also work with investors who are keen on using real estate to generate strong, sustainable returns. Show Notes:2:55 Mark shares his background as a musician, how he got into real estate, and what his business looks like today.5:06 We talk about Mark's first deal and how it paved the road for his future investments. 6:23 Mark shares how he got into small multifamily properties and how he progressed to larger properties by “trading up”14:30 We discuss the issues Mark encountered during the value-add process with one of his properties and how he overcame them.18:00  Mark shares the details on one of the mixed-use properties he purchased and how he converted it to residential. 22:17  We discuss the differences of renting on Airbnb vs. renting traditionally and how he successfully rented on Airbnb. 26:36 Mark talks about why he sold his properties and the types of properties he is seeking in the midwest. 34:12 We discuss the details regarding Mark's 72 unit and what drew him to the deal.40:40 Mark shares how he plans on leasing his property and what his vision for the project is43:40 We learn about the fears and concerns Mark had when closing his large multifamily property.48:01  Mark shares his vision for the next 6-12 months and what types of deals he plans on pursuing.51:40 We learn what Mark considers his biggest failure in real estate.54:38 Mark talks about what he would do differently if he started his real estate business again. CONNECT WITH MARKhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-davenport-7a32301b6/https://www.levareproperties.com/CONNECT WITH AXELhttps://www.instagram.com/multifamilywealth/?hl=enhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/axelragnarsson/Download my investor toolkit (cash flow calculator, investor pitch deck, scope of work template, and renovation checklist) here.

Transformation continues throughout our entire lives until we stand before God. It starts in the heart, but reflects on the outside, too.

Welcome to the Mark and Michelle Davenport Sunday Podcast. When someone asks, "Are you ready to go?", many of us will have different responses. But before we can be ready to go, we have to know how to prepare. And Today Pastor Mark shows us Jesus' directions for what we need to do on Earth, before we can be ready to go to Heaven.

In this episode of The Natural High Club I speak with brick shit house, Mark Davenport, about elite-level fitness tips and hacks, diet and supplements and how to get rid of your lockdown ass in the most effective manner.

Guest speaker, Mark Davenport, preaches a sermon about the family. Mark talks about the three fold plan that the enemy has been using to destroy the family since the beginning. 'Focus on what you don't have, God is a liar, and You can be god.'