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In this episode of The Brainy Business podcast, you'll hear Melina Palmer interview Nick Sonnenberg, CEO of Leverage and author of Come Up For Air. Nick's background as an algorithmic trader on Wall Street gave him a unique perspective on the value of time, efficiency, and automation. He developed the CPR business efficiency framework to address common challenges in communication, planning, and resource allocation. Nick's expertise in optimizing operations led to the founding of Leverage, a consultancy that helps businesses increase productivity using modern technologies and tools. Throughout the episode, Nick emphasizes the importance of time optimization and information retrieval. He shares practical strategies, such as the Foundations program, which teaches teams how to use tools like email, Slack, and Asana effectively. By implementing Nick's insights, you can save time, reduce stress, and increase productivity in your business. Tune in to learn how to streamline your operations and make the most of your valuable resources. In this episode, you will: Increase operational efficiency and productivity to maximize your business's growth potential. Learn effective time management strategies to optimize your productivity and achieve your business goals. Streamline your operations and processes to eliminate bottlenecks and improve overall efficiency. Optimize information retrieval and storage to access critical data quickly and make informed business decisions. Find the balance between work and play to enhance your overall well-being and maintain sustainable productivity. Show Notes: 00:00:00 - Introduction, In this episode, Melina Palmer introduces Nick Sonnenberg, CEO of Leverage and author of Come Up For Air. Nick shares his background in finance and how his experience in high-frequency trading led him to develop a passion for automation and the value of time. 00:02:30 - The Journey of Leverage Nick discusses the growth and challenges faced by Leverage, his operational efficiency consultancy. He shares how he overcame operational debt and realized that the key to success lies in saving time and maximizing efficiency. 00:05:05 - The CPR Business Efficiency Framework Nick explains the CPR framework (Communicate, Plan, Resource) and how it can help organizations improve their efficiency. He highlights the importance of effective communication, planning, and standard operating procedures in saving time and increasing productivity. 00:07:28 - Getting Started with Efficiency Nick advises listeners on where to start when seeking to make efficiency improvements. He suggests focusing on areas that offer the highest return on time and recommends starting with the Foundations program, which helps align teams on information management and retrieval. 00:15:56 - The Power of Shifting Perspective Shifting your perspective and approach can lead to increased productivity and efficiency without the need for approval or new tools. By organizing your email and having a plan, you can set yourself up for success and inspire others to do the same. 00:16:55 - The Value of Time and Cutting Meetings The book emphasizes the importance of saving and optimizing time. Not all time slots are equal, and it's crucial to identify high-value time slots. By implementing strategies like pre-reading materials and using tools like Loom, meetings can be more efficient and productive. 00:21:18 - Leveraging Loom and Asynchronous Communication Loom, a screen recording tool, can help save time by allowing for asynchronous communication. Watching recordings at an accelerated speed and having the ability to rewatch can increase efficiency. Loom also facilitates discussions and comments, even outside of meetings. 00:23:44 - Understanding Your Bandwidth with Sprint Planning Sprint planning involves determining your capacity for work and considering pre-commitments like meetings and maintenance tasks. By recognizing how much time is actually available for new initiatives, you can set realistic goals and increase productivity. 00:24:11 - The Impact of Optimizing Time Optimizing time can lead to significant improvements in productivity. By reclaiming even just a few hours a week, you can effectively double the amount of time available for new initiatives. Recognizing the value of time can drive the implementation of time-saving strategies. 00:30:43 - Introduction to GetLeverage.com Nick Sonnenberg introduces his training and consulting company, GetLeverage.com, which helps businesses train and use various tools effectively. 00:31:19 - Benefits of GetLeverage.com Nick Sonnenberg highlights how GetLeverage.com can save businesses time and money by providing training and optimizing processes. 00:32:01 - Importance of Policies and Procedures Nick Sonnenberg emphasizes the significance of having optimized procedures and processes in place to facilitate business growth and efficiency. 00:33:30 - Focus on Quick Retrieval of Information Nick Sonnenberg suggests focusing on the quick retrieval of information rather than the quick transfer of information, as it saves time and improves productivity. 00:34:51 - Conclusion, Melina's top insights from the conversation. What stuck with you while listening to the episode? What are you going to try? Come share it with Melina on social media -- you'll find her as @thebrainybiz everywhere and as Melina Palmer on LinkedIn. Thanks for listening. Don't forget to subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Android. If you like what you heard, please leave a review on iTunes and share what you liked about the show. I hope you love everything recommended via The Brainy Business! Everything was independently reviewed and selected by me, Melina Palmer. So you know, as an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. That means if you decide to shop from the links on this page (via Amazon or others), The Brainy Business may collect a share of sales or other compensation. Let's connect: Melina@TheBrainyBusiness.com The Brainy Business® on Facebook The Brainy Business on Twitter The Brainy Business on Instagram The Brainy Business on LinkedIn Melina on LinkedIn The Brainy Business on Youtube Connect with Nick: Follow Nick on Twitter Follow Nick on LinkedIn Leverage website Learn and Support The Brainy Business: Check out and get your copies of Melina's Books. Get the Books Mentioned on (or related to) this Episode: Come Up For Air, by Nick Sonnenberg Work Well. Play More! by Marcey Rader Indistractable, by Nir Eyal Subtract, by Leidy Klotz What Your Employees Need and Can't Tell You, by Melina Palmer Top Recommended Next Episode: Work Well. Play More! with Marcey Rader (ep 323) Already Heard That One? 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Summary: In this episode, host Sarah Mayer discusses the topic of using email correctly. She explores common misconceptions about email and offers alternatives to improve productivity. Sarah shares her experience with tools like Slack and Asana, which can help streamline communication and task management. Tune in to learn how to make the most out of your email and crush your goals. Show Notes: Welcome to the Bold Goal Crusher Podcast, a show dedicated to helping you crush bold goals without working double time. Sara Mayer introduces herself as the host and expresses excitement about embarking on the journey with the listeners. Highlighted the importance of planning for the holidays and not missing out on the magic of the season. Mentioned a previous episode (not specified) about back planning your holidays. Explored the topic of using email correctly and shared how many clients struggle with using it solely as a to-do list. Emphasized the importance of viewing email as a communication tool rather than a task manager. Advised against checking emails when not in the best position to handle them, as it can lead to mental overload. Shared personal experience with a nearly email-free company and its use of Slack and Asana as alternative communication and task management tools. Encouraged listeners to assess their own email usage and consider using tools like Slack or Asana to improve productivity. Discussed the process of migrating from email to alternative tools and shared tips on how to communicate the change to clients and colleagues. Emphasized the importance of training others to use the chosen tool effectively. Encouraged listeners to categorize their emails, assess their email volume, and identify key players in their email communication. Highlighted that email should be a tool working for you, not something you're a slave to. Ended the episode with a reminder that crushing goals is possible, even with email as a potential obstacle. Connect with Sara Mayer: Instagram @saramayerconsulting Facebook @saracmayerconsulting LinkedIn @saramayerconsulting
This episode features an interview with Ed McDonnell, CRO at Asana, a software company that helps teams orchestrate their work, from small projects to strategic initiatives.In this episode, Ed shares with us Asana's vision for tackling work automation, insight into their Work Innovation Lab, and why attribution for attribution's sake is meaningless. Ed also talks about the importance of treating pipeline like a team sport and how to effectively run a “Pipe Council”. Key Takeaways:Get focused on your ICP. Partner with your product teams to develop your ICP so you can define use cases and show the productivity you can gain from those use cases. Tell your story through the lens of your customers. Your customers are the inside players of how your product works and what it's doing in a real way on a daily basis out in the world.Pipeline is a team sport. All of your business channels should be involved when it comes to pipeline generation. Pipeline is not one person or function, and in order to succeed, it has to be the highest-performing team in your organization at cross-functional scale. Quote:“Pipeline to me is a team sport. It is not one person. It is not one function. It is such a, it is, it, it has to be. The highest performing team in your organization at cross functional scale, because nobody works for each other. Everybody's in their own worlds, but they have to come together as a team and solve the, you know, a problem that every B2B enterprise software company faces. Which is, do we have enough pipeline to go into the market to be successful? Because every organization is a little bit different as to how much they want each of those. stakeholders to develop into their pipeline. If you're not producing at the right scale or the right coverage model, Why? Like, interrogating the why is equally as important as getting all hopped up as to why not. And too many companies and too many people I have found spend time on, well, why isn't something happening? Like, versus going in and saying, okay, it's not happening. What can we do differently to actually produce a different result? Because you get caught up on poking on sales leaders and saying, hey, you're not hitting your pipeline metrics, like, why, what's wrong, and that friction, while good and has to happen, you also have to be really open to interrogating so to me the interrogation of it in a healthy way with everybody having a seat at the table and being a team sport is Is the way that I, I have found to be very successful running a Pipe Council.” Episode Timestamps:*(03:44) - The Trust Tree: Go to market strategy when you solve lots of problems for lots of people*(15:32) - The Playbook: Running a Pipe Council*(37:53) - Quick Hits: Ed's Quick Hits Sponsor:Pipeline Visionaries is brought to you by Qualified.com, the #1 Conversational Marketing platform for companies that use Salesforce and the secret weapon for pipeline pros. The world's leading enterprise brands trust Qualified to instantly meet with buyers, right on their website, and maximize sales pipeline. Visit Qualified.com to learn more. Links:Connect with Ian on LinkedInConnect with Ed on LinkedInLearn more about AsanaLearn more about Caspian StudiosFrom zero to ten podcasts: How Caspian Studios produces B2B podcasts with Asana
We chat with Matt Shields, discussing digital transformation, its benefits, and its implementation in the real estate business. They talk about how digital innovation has streamlined many processes across different organizational domains. They elaborate on concepts such as project management and square footage comparison in real estate investment, and consider the benefits of digital transformation in construction and multi-family investing operations. Matt also shares personal insights from his career and offers advice on communication and adaptability in business.Connect with Matt Shields: https://www.investinsqft.com/Topics & Bullets:Challenges in Contracting IndustryHandling pictures and reports in the contracting industryBenefits of using a method and process for easier report generationShowcasing project transformations with before and after photosThe importance of maintaining control over products or services to avoid overextension and unforeseen competitionDigital Transformation in ConstructionSyndication and gathering information to attract investorsStreamlining processes, data accessibility, and reporting to attract investorsStreamlined processes for a waterproofing contractorReducing time and improving efficiencySimplifying onboarding for new employeesProviding real-time insights into business operationsApplying digital transformation to constructionImportance of digital transformation and project tracking within real estate constructionUsing a scrum philosophy and weighted systems to manage granular tasks and project progressDigitalizing the process to manage construction in a more accurate and systematic wayUsing project management software for organizational growthStarting with project management software like Trello, Asana, or Basecamp for small businesses or solo entrepreneursBuilding internal processes as different departments emerge Challenges of integrating existing processes with new systems for businesses built before platforms like AsanaReal Estate Investments and ManagementBusiness impact and recommended readingReading Chris Voss's book for communication and negotiation skillsRecommending improv classes to enhance communication and thinking on the spotPricing strategy for real estate investingConsidering the square footage of comparable properties when setting rent pricesChallenges faced in real estate business processesCreating reports and managing multifamily propertiesAdoption of agile scrum in real estateValue brought to contractors and project managementDemonstrating the value of transformation for successful adoptionImportance of documenting processes and procedures for scaling a businessThe value of a core foundational platform for a businessNeed for younger employees to have digital processes rather than traditional methodsPersonal and Professional DevelopmentUsing technology for personal well-beingReliance on the Oura ring to monitor physical activity and sleepComparing the Oura ring's battery life and charging time to an Apple WatchLessons learned and recommended practicesLearning from past experiences and maintaining a positive outlook Applying communication and negotiation skills in businessSharing successful practices and podcasting...
Why it was selected for "CBNation Architects": In this episode, the guest is Nicole, a certified nutrition and wellness coach and the owner of Dark Horse Nutrition LLC. Key Points: Nicole's Story: Nicole's journey through her own weight loss process, which involved dealing with emotional eating and losing 50 lbs, led her to delve deep into understanding the root causes of such problems. Realizing the importance of mental and emotional health in the journey to sustainable weight loss and wellness prompted her to get certified in nutrition. Dark Horse Nutrition LLC: This company aims at helping individuals struggling with emotional eating create healthier habits and alternatives to food. Business Service: Nicole takes a unique approach with her clients. She spends the first week in a "back seat", observing and analyzing the client's existing lifestyle and eating habits. Based on this, she creates a personalized plan for each client. Secret Sauce: Nicole focuses on the root cause, enabling lasting behavior and lifestyle changes for her clients. CEO Hack: Nicole uses Asana and Trello for project management and planning. Her other productivity hack is to close web tabs that are not in use to maintain focus. CEO Nugget: Nicole advises laying the foundation of your business first and not rushing. Getting systems in place beforehand can help make the process smoother when clients begin to come on board. CEO Defined: Nicole defines her role as a CEO as making a positive impact in other people's lives. Check out our CEO Hack Buzz Newsletter--our premium newsletter with hacks and nuggets to level up your organization. Sign up HERE. I AM CEO Handbook Volume 3 is HERE and it's FREE. Get your copy here: http://cbnation.co/iamceo3. Get the 100+ things that you can learn from 1600 business podcasts we recorded. Hear Gresh's story, learn the 16 business pillars from the podcast, find out about CBNation Architects and why you might be one and so much more. Did we mention it was FREE? Download it today! Previous Episode: https://iamceo.co/2022/03/21/iam1316-wellness-coach-helps-clients-by-dealing-on-the-root-cause/
Do you have big dreams? Today's guest has concrete tips and tricks to make your big business dreams come true without burning out in the process. The secret is to take advantage of systems and automation and to use what artificial intelligence has to offer. Join us to learn more!Louise Henry is one of my first online business teachers. She is an online entrepreneur and educator who helps entrepreneurs create a more leveraged, passive online business through systems and automation. Louise does this by sharing free tutorials on her YouTube channel and through her online courses, Uplevel with Asana and Passive Profit Accelerator, and she is passionate about supporting entrepreneurs to bring their big dreams to life, helping them work smarter, not harder. She does all of this while enjoying her beautiful life on the beach in Panama. In this episode, we discuss her favorite AI and tech tools, how to avoid burnout with systems, and how to bring a big vision to life. Louise explains how her nonprofit, Tim's Club, is helping those with autism, and why she is passionate about this endeavor. Show Highlights:Highlights of Louise's journey to entrepreneurshipHow technology and systems have been time-saving and supportive of Louise's businessAn overview of Louise's content creation processHow she collects ideas and organizes her business by using Asana as a centralized project management toolLouise's best tips to avoid burnout by using systems and automationHow Louise structures automated sales funnels and live launchesLouise's best tips for using AI: ChatGPT, Ellie, and DescriptLouise's advice for those starting in business who might feel overwhelmedHow to be visible online as an introvertWhat Louise's birth chart says about her capacity to build networks and drive community and collaborationHow Louise is giving back through her nonprofit, Tim's Club, a nonprofit dedicated to supporting those with autism to lead full, purposeful lives—in honor of her younger brother, TimLouise's advice about bringing an idea to life and finding ways to give back with a purposeful passionHear Louise's answers to rapid-fire questions about helpful advice, morning routine, and what she's reading right now. Resources:Connect with Louise HenryWebsiteYouTubeTim's ClubMentioned by LouiseDenise Duffield-Thomas books AI tools: ChatGPT, Ellie, and DescriptJoin the Cosmic Business Lab for strategy support, resources, and community as you build your spirit-led business in 2024. We start January 2: https://www.weaveyourbliss.com/the-cosmic-business-labYou can also upgrade to the Mastermind, which includes everything inside the Lab, plus, you'll get 1:1...
Deborah Corn and Productivity Coach Sarah Ohanesian discuss dealing with clutter, both physical and digital, and how it impacts productivity and mental well-being. Mentioned in This Episode: Leadership Workshop: https://www.so-productive.com/leadership Sarah Ohanesian on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahohanesian/ SO Productive: https://www.so-productive.com/ Todoist: https://todoist.com/ Asana: https://asana.grsm.io/sarahohanesian308 Command the Chaos Course: https://www.so-productive.com/productivity-course/ Deborah Corn on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahcorn/ Print Media Centr: https://printmediacentr.com Project Peacock: https://ProjectPeacock.TV Girls Who Print: https://girlswhoprint.net
Welcome to "Soul Liberation: Empowering Your Healing Journey," a podcast dedicated to helping you liberate your life by building the necessary resources for healing. Join us as we explore transformative practices, wisdom from ancient healing systems, and practical tools to guide you towards spiritual growth and holistic healing. Discover how to break free from limitations, cultivate resilience, and create a life of abundance and joy. Get ready to embark on a journey towards self-empowerment, self-discovery, and soul liberation. It's time to unlock your limitless potential and build the foundation for a fulfilling and liberated life. Connect with me on Instagram @sattvawellnesscenter Schedule a Clarity Call www.sattvawellnesscenter.com/book Intro and outro music: NRYN - Prayers (ft. Matia Kalli) - nryn108.bandcamp.com
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In this video, we dive into one of my favorite productivity planning apps called Sunsama. I've been following this app for a while now, and let me tell you, I'm a superfan! If you're interested in trying out Sunsama, make sure to use my affiliate link. By using my link, you'll get a free 30-day trial, which is longer than the typical 14-day trial period. This gives you plenty of time to fully test out Sunsama and see if it's the right fit for you. ✅ Free 30-day free trial of Sunsama App (affiliate link): https://try.sunsama.com/paul In this video, I'll give you a comprehensive overview of Sunsama and what makes it stand out from other productivity apps. The underlying principles of Sunsama help you focus on the most important tasks instead of cramming more into your day. It's a monofocus-centered app that is incredibly well designed and seamlessly integrates with other productivity project management tools like Asana and ClickUp. One of the things I love most about Sunsama is how peaceful and intuitive the user experience is. Plus, the Sunsama team constantly releases updates to improve the app's functionality and user experience. We'll also dive into some of the exciting new features that Sunsama has recently introduced. We have the Focus Bar, which allows you to stay on track and maintain your focus. There's also a built-in Pomodoro Timer, which is super handy for boosting productivity. And for those of you who need to take notes during meetings, Sunsama offers Simplified Meeting Notes with markdown support. But that's not all! Sunsama also has features like Auto Reschedule Tasks and Auto Add Calendar Events, which make managing your schedule a breeze. Now, I won't lie, Sunsama is not the cheapest option out there. However, if it helps you stay organized and focused, ultimately saving you time and money, it could be worth the investment. If you're still unsure whether Sunsama is right for you, I highly recommend downloading the app and giving it a try. So, if you're ready to supercharge your productivity and take control of your schedule, click the link below to get your free 30-day trial of Sunsama. ✅ Free 30-day free trial of Sunsama App (affiliate link): https://try.sunsama.com/paul Watch my previous Sunsama review here: https://youtu.be/8iTqcizfn0E?si=chi9hbUdslkGGkw9 TIMESTAMPS 0:00 What Is Sunsama 1:05 My Criteria For Productivity Apps 2:25 Sunsama App Layout 3:37 ClickUp Integration 4:03 Weekly Objectives 4:24 Backlog 5:01 Auto Archive 5:23 View Latest Updates 5:48 Integrations 6:34 Focus Mode 7:03 Pomodoro Timer 8:02 Focus Bar 8:26 Focus Bar Settings 9:06 Task Notes Using Markdown 9:41 How To Add A Task 10:22 How To Create And Align With A Weekly Objective 10:39 Time Remaining Toggle 11:05 Pomodoro Timer Demonstration 11:49 Auto Schedule Tasks On Calendar 12:16 Auto Reschedule Tasks 12:35 Daily Planning Ritual 17:40 ClickUp Task Details Within Sunsama 18:19 Calendar View 18:45 The Playlist Method 19:20 Checks On Calendar 19:37 Recurring Tasks 20:42 Monofocus 21:42 Align Task With Weekly Objective 22:25 Daily Shutdown Ritual 23:20 Weekly Planning Ritual 23:51 Weekly Review 25:03 Integration With Your Calendar 25:34 Simplified Meeting Notes 26:14 Analytics Feature26:53 The Pricing 30:32 Who Is Sunsama For
It's time to revolutionize your revenue game and unlock ultimate revenue excellence. In this final bonus episode, we hear from top industry leaders on the most effective strategies for sales process management and performance improvement. Anil Kumar, Head of Global Revenue Ops at Asana, and Haley Katsman, VP of Revenue Strategy, Ops, and Enablement at Highspot, share the importance of daily rhythm and managing sales processes, embracing difficult situations and making positive changes, developing proactive approaches, and more. In this episode, you'll learn: Embrace a proactive approach to revenue operations. By taking a proactive approach, leaders at all levels can create a culture of forward-thinking problem-solving and strategic planning. For new business and renewal business sellers, this means actively identifying potential challenges, addressing them before they become significant obstacles, and constantly seeking opportunities for improvement to drive revenue growth. Leverage data-driven forecasting for informed decision-making. Data-driven forecasting helps identify successful segments, adjust sales strategies, and make informed decisions about market focus and profitability improvements. Revenue-critical employees can gain a deeper understanding of customer behavior, market trends, and potential opportunities, allowing them to tailor their approaches for both new and renewal businesses. Bridge the gap between strategy and execution for revenue success. Strategic leaders must ensure alignment between company goals and the actions of revenue-critical employees. For new business and renewal business sellers, this means understanding the overarching company strategy and translating it into actionable plans that directly impact revenue generation. Check out RunRevenue.Pro for tips, playbooks, and advice for stopping revenue leaks and achieving revenue precision. See how Clari's Revenue Platform can help you win more deals, protect your customer base, and achieve revenue precision—even in a downturn. → Clari.com
Steve Pretre, partner at World Innovation Lab (WiL), takes us on an extraordinary journey from his upbringing in Silicon Valley to becoming a key player in the insurtech and venture capital worlds. He shares the thrilling journey of starting Metromile and leading it through the IPO stage, highlighting some of the biggest challenges of starting an insurtech startup. Steve also dispels the skepticism about corporate venture capital firms (CVCs).In this episode, you'll learn:[3:47] Discover invaluable lessons from the pioneers of the insurtech industry[7:40] The story of Metromile: “I was excited and naive enough to think that we could pull that off.” - Steve Pretre[15:43] Early-stage investing isn't just about funds but also about providing strategic support to startups[22:40] Insights into corporate venture capital and why alignment of goals is paramount[27:18] The importance of staying true to your business vision and not blindly following VC adviceThe non-profit organization that Steve is passionate about: Woodside WildebeestsAbout Steve PretreSteve Pretre is a partner at World Innovation Lab. He is a veteran of multiple successful startups and has deep operating experience across product development, marketing, and strategic planning. Prior to joining World Innovation Lab, Steve was the co-founder and CEO of Metromile, an early innovator that paved the path for the current wave of insurance startups. He also held executive roles at Asurion, leading their mobile applications business unit as the company grew.About World Innovation LabWorld Innovation Lab is a venture capital fund supported by various governments and global corporations. WiL invests in companies looking to expand into new markets. They assist US startups in entering Japan and Asia and support Japanese startups in global expansion. Notable recent direct investments include Algolia, Asana, Automation Anywhere, Auth0, DataRobot, Kong, Mercari, MURAL, TransferWise, and Unqork. WiL also supports established and emerging venture funds. Additionally, they collaborate with corporate investors to enhance innovation through new business creation, startup partnerships, and cultural change. WiL acts as a bridge between startups and corporations in key innovation hubs globally, initially focusing on Japan and the US. Subscribe to our podcast and stay tuned for our next episode.
GotTechED the Podcast Episode 151: Using AI to Assess Student WritingWelcome back to GotTechED the podcast this is Episode 151 called “Using AI to Assess Student Writing”. In this episode, we'll unpack one of the most valuable things that AI can do for a teacher - providing feedback on student writing. As you all know this is a very time intensive task that can be made faster and BETTER with the help of some new AI tools. This is another episode you don't want to miss, check it out!Segment 1: UpdatesUpdates12 Days of edtech coming back for year 3Follow along on our YouTube ChannelRecent videos on Text Blaze and Using Canva's Whiteboard to Replace Jamboard Bonus Tool: Awesome Screen Recorder and Screenshot ExtensionRecordRecord your Desktop, current Tab or Camera onlyInclude your voice in recording with Microphone option onInclude your face in your video by embedding your webcamChoose video dimensions from 720p, 1080p or 4K Save Save recordings to local disk Save recordings to your online account Download uploaded videos in WebM or MP4 formatShare RecordingsInstantly get a shareable link of a video after finishing recordingEasily share a recording video to Jira, Slack, Trello, Asana, GitHubAnnotate ＆ EditAnnotate the screen while recordingAnnotate and edit the video after recordingSegment 2: Some of these resources are from a presentation by Peter C Paccone from the San Marino Unified School District Tech Academy. Thanks Peter!Class Companion: Instant & personalized AI feedback for written assignments. Give your students an engaging way to practice at their own pace, make mistakes, learn from them, and be motivated to improve. Gives feedback based on custom rubrics that you create !!!
Meet Stan Rapp, a name in the design world who transitioned from being a self-taught designer to leading Enterprise Design at Asana. Before his current role, Stan shaped product design at the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative. On top of his design expertise, he's a certified coach and a recent graduate of UPenn's Executive Design Leadership program. Specializing in design strategy and co-creation, he's particularly interested in designing for emotions and behavior change. A native of Ukraine, now residing in the SF Bay Area, Stan has shared his insights at several notable conferences, including The Next Web and Adobe. He has also won awards from SF Design Week and TechCrunch Disrupt.
Many of us come to the practice feeling broken and struggle with an underlying sense that we're just not enough. We seek validation by looking outside ourselves. We seek to do things right, to learn the “correct method” and toe the party line. But when we truly slow down to feel what's underneath all our striving and the patterns of perfectionism, we begin to see that it's the system that's broken, not us. Worthiness is an inside job. Once we get this.. I mean truly get it… It turns the game around. We can feel empowered within our lives and in our spiritual pursuits. From the moment we're born we're trained to buy into the illusion that once we receive some kind of external validation, we'll finally feel happy and complete. Society teaches us that self-worth is determined by external factors such as our achievements, possessions, or how we are perceived by others. The problem is our perception. We keep projecting outward the love we wish to receive. We're not broken, but our thoughts about ourselves are. When we realize that no amount of praise or postures will ever be enough, we can start to transform our lives and they way we approach our practice. We discover a new freedom in the practice yoga when we recognize that we're already perfect, whole, and complete; there's no where to get to, nothing to do, and nothing that needs to be any different than exactly as it is. We can begin to practice on our own terms and authentically choose how we want to create a fulfilling life based on awakening to the fact we already have everything we need. Remember, you are worthy, enough, seen, accepted, and loved just as you are. FOLLOW HARMONY ON SOCIAL INSTAGRAM I YOUTUBE ** New Facebook Account - /harmonyslatercoaching Apply for a Clarity Session with Harmony - Apply Here A big heart of thanks to our friends, family, and students from around the world, who've generously supported this podcast through your comments, sharing, and financial donations. If you've enjoyed today's podcast, please consider supporting our future episodes by making a donation. Every little bit goes a long way and we are immensely grateful for any and all of your support. Make A Donation - harmonyslater.com/donate ❤ Don't forget to subscribe and leave a review! ❤ ★★★★★ Please Give us a 5★ rating! Opening and closing music by Nick Evans from his album “for Morgan.” Listen to the entire album on Spotify Here. Purchase your own copy Here.
Join Gillian Knight from Healthy Communities Foundation for a case study presentation on the process they used to increase equity in their grant-making process and reporting. After an assessment and listening, they identified technology tools that could help them refine their work flow and decrease the reporting and evaluation burden on their grantees, while still giving them time to check in and support the work they fund. This new work flow – a work in progress! – takes advantage of several technology tools they were already using, assembled in new ways. They also chose new tools and utilized some tools like Zoom, Calendly, Wizehive, and some AI tools, to work more efficiently. Join us to learn from Gillian their thought process, how they assessed their old work flow and how they went about matching up specific technologies to their business needs. As Gillian says, lots of tech presentations tend to talk in abstracts – join us to hear about some specifics. One of the tools they use is Asana, so if your nonprofit uses Asana or is thinking about it, or you would like to use it better, stay tuned for part 2 of this case study, which delves into setting up and using Asana. _______________________________Start a conversation :) Register to attend a webinar in real time, and find all past transcripts at https://communityit.com/webinars/ email Carolyn at email@example.com tweet us @CommunityIT Thanks for listening.
The episode discussed on today's Sound Judgment is Believable: The Coco Berthmann Story. Karen worked with reporter/host Sara Ganim to create Believable. This episode was sponsored by Signal Hill Insights. Want to know how your podcast is affecting listeners? Need to plan to share outcomes with a branded client? Visit measureyourpodcast.com for a free 4-part email series that will tell you how and why to measure the unique impact of branded podcasts. Go beyond counting downloads. Instead, obtain real responses from real listeners to demonstrate the ROI of branded podcasts. You'll learn how research generates practical insights to optimize your production and drive renewals. Karen Given's takeawaysThese are the takeaways from the end of the episode. For more takeaways from all of our guests, subscribe to the Sound Judgment newsletter and visit our blog. Karen set out to tell Coco Berthmann's story as more than a basic scammer story. She wanted to investigate the social safety nets that allowed Coco's deception to happen in the first place. It's the concept of preventable harm: What makes for a much richer, more noteworthy and useful investigation is whether, in fact, the harm could have been prevented, by whom, and why it wasn't. Especially with true crime, there's a temptation to tell only a good yarn—the sensational one about the scammer. But those stories are like cotton candy — they might taste good at the time, but later you wonder why you bothered. Avoid creating unintended consequences. One of the most important and interesting lessons from Believable comes from the tricky line Karen and Sara walked. They needed to investigate the validity of Coco's story without casting doubt on the stories of every sex trafficking victim, which could have done significant harm. One way they did this — that I would certainly steal if I were you — was to establish early on what is generally known about a phenomenon or a process. We need to understand what's typical in order to get clarity on what's not. Storyboarding is a visual exercise. Karen's a huge fan of sticky notes—in fact, 3M, if you're listening, please name a line of Post-its after her. To get started, lay out your story beats on Post-its on a wall or in project management software like Trello or Asana. Trust me, you'll be moving things around for your entire production process. Make it easy on yourself. Karen Given is a podcast story editor, producer and host. Her most recent project was Believable: the Coco Berthmann Story. A veteran of public radio, Karen started out as a technical director and worked her way up to executive producer and host. Along the way, she won the national Edward R. Murrow award twice, in 2007 and 2017. She also writes Narrative Beat, a free newsletter for journalists and podcast makers who want to tell better stories. Follow Karen Given: Subscribe to her newsletter, Narrative BeatWebsite: Karen GivenInstagram: karengivenLinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/klgiven/Facebook: karenlgivenIf you liked my conversation with Karen Given, you'll love: Sound Judgment Season 2/Episode 8: The Heist: How to Produce an Award-Winning Investigative Series with Sally HershipsSound Judgment Season 2/Episode 5: Bone Valley: How to Produce a True Crime Podcast That Makes a DifferenceWe need your support! Please give Sound Judgment a five-star rating and a review. Visit our website to easily give us a 5-star rating and a review that'll go to Apple or Spotify instantly. We're grateful.The Sound Judgment team is: Host & Producer: Elaine Appleton GrantProduction Assistant: Audrey NelsonAudio engineer/sound designer: Kevin KlinePodcast manager: Tina BassirSound Judgment is a production of Podcast Allies, LLC, a boutique production and consulting company making magical podcasts for NGOs and nonprofits, higher ed, and social impact organizations. Contact UsTo contact us with collaborations, media interviews, speaking engagements, or sponsorships, email firstname.lastname@example.org. We encourage your voice memos! Click the microphone icon at soundjudgmentpodcast.com. To follow Elaine Appleton Grant and the show: Subscribe to the Sound Judgment newsletter, about creative choices in audio storytellingSound Judgment websiteElaine's LinkedInElaine's Facebook
EPISODE 279 - JF Hughes - Author of the Tragic Romance Novel - The Gardens of ByzantiumThe Book: The Gardens of ByzantiumThe year is 622 A.D., and the Persian and Byzantine empires have been fighting a war in the deserts since before she was born...Asana's life has been one of turmoil and change. Every year found her uprooted and brought to another foreign land to live an austere life in a garrison with her father, an officer in the Persian Army. But the middle of a war is no place for such a gentle soul.Before long, she is swept away from her family and forced to flee on the back of her beloved horse. Fate leads her into the hands of a handsome and mysterious Roman soldier who sequesters her in a beautiful palace in the heart of Constantinople, the capital of the Byzantine empire.She begins to fall for him, and at last it seems as though she may have found an oasis of happiness in her war-torn world. That is, until news of a Persian army marching toward the city upends her life again, setting in motion an unstoppable chain of events that bring the story to its breathtaking and tragic conclusion...https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-gardens-of-byzantium-j-f-hughes/20709711___https://livingthenextchapter.com/ National Podcast Post Month is celebrating 16 years! Join the 30 days of podcasting fun starting on November 1st! #NaPodPoMoSupport the showAre you looking to hire a podcast editor to do the behind the scenes work for you? Do you want to be a better Podcast Guest?Searching for How To Start a Podcast?Looking for Podcast Tips?Visit HowToPodcast.ca for practical advice, featured guest co-hosts from around the world and a community of podcasters dedicated to your success - join Dave and the entire podcast family at https://howtopodcast.ca/
Scott and Ida discuss the nature of "alignment" throughout the last hundred years. Did older texts talk about alignment? When did it become important, and how did that change the way we practice yoga? Is alignment a good idea? They cover early pioneers such as Krishnamacharya, Shivananda and Yogendra, as well as Iyengar and Jois, all the way into the modernity of Birch.This episode is the first of two about alignment, covering the first three "buckets" of what it means.
In this episode of Business Power Hour with Faith Mariah, my guests and I discussed: Break it Down: Learn how to break down overwhelming tasks into smaller, manageable steps to create a sense of accomplishment and avoid feeling swamped. Find Your System: Discover the power of building processes, checklists, and utilizing productivity tools like Asana and Trello to save time, increase efficiency, and keep things organized. Celebrate the Wins: Embrace the importance of celebrating your wins, no matter how big or small. Remember, you don't have to be 100% productive all the time – it's all about finding a sustainable balance. Master Your Mindset: Explore the powerful role that mindset plays in productivity and success. Learn how shifting your mindset can help you prioritize tasks and make better use of your time. Plan, Adapt, Succeed: Get insights from our guest speakers on planning, adapting, and staying flexible in a fast-paced online business environment. Discover strategies to overcome overwhelm and create a sustainable business. ⚡️ Join the Becoming Boss Mastermind HERE. ⚡️ Sign up to get notified when Power Hour is happening live! ⚡️ Find all of the info about the speakers and grab their free gifts here ⚡️ Join the Free Facebook Group ⚡️ Instagram ⚡️ TikTok ⚡️ www.faithmariah.com
Are you an agency owner struggling to scale because you're at capacity and feel like you can't take on any more work? When last did you look at your systems and processes as a way to remove bottlenecks in your business?Every business has systems and processes, whether or not they are defined and documented. And it turns out that the process of establishing processes is a much-needed part of any modern agency. With AI software like Scribe to create your step-by-step guides, and project management software like ClickUp and Asana, creating SOPs is part of our daily business routine. But are we thinking macro enough? What is our process for creating processes?That's why Ngahuia Galligan, the Founder of Harness, is here to help us! She's enjoying great success helping agencies looking to scale and set up better processes in their business. And then test, evaluate, and refine until there are no assumptions of knowledge – and no bottlenecks. Sounds awesome, right?Learn about how we can use AI to free up time for human innovation as we create client onboarding processes and sales prompts that, with the right guidance, can still have the voice and stamp of the owner on it, in an episode of DigitalMarketer that reveals an important step in our ambitions to scale. Please join us.Visit Harnesshq.com to learn more about Ngahuia's work and how to optimize your business systems. Key Takeaways:01:33 Why focus on scaling agencies? 03:16 How do you convince people of the importance of systems and processes?04:20 Using AI to fill in some of the steps in the process06:49 Helping people understand that they still have creative input07:49 Using AI to free up time for human innovation08:45 What do processes mean for agencies?10:00 Learning how to keep a record of what you do so you can build an SOP around it12:49 Learning to let go (and become less insular)15:25 Considering the customer's perspective when it comes to establishing your processes18:25 Just because we can automate doesn't mean we should 22:18 An example of a client onboarding process23:46 Process Plan! The software for process mapping your processes!26:10 Why is it so hard to get people to write things down?!?Resources:Process Plan - https://harnesshq.com/digitalmarketerConnect with Ngahuia Galligan:Website - https://harnesshq.com/Be sure to subscribe to the podcast at: https://www.digitalmarketer.com/podcast/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/digitalmarketerInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/digitalmarketer/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/digital-marketer/This Month's Sponsors:Conversion Fanatics - Conversion Rate Optimization AgencyGet 50% Off Monthly Blog Writing Service - BKA Content More Resources from Scalable
In this episode of the Bold Goal Crusher Podcast, host Sara Mayer discusses the concept of 'mental load', referring to the cognitive burden associated with managing, coordinating, and organizing tasks in various aspects of life. She explains how this often invisible and overlooked load can lead to increased stress, anxiety, and burnout. The episode delves into how mental load affects both home and work environments, but often disproportionately impacts women. Sara suggests strategies such as open communication, detailing responsibilities, utilizing organizational systems and routines, and self-care as effective ways to manage and distribute the mental load more equally. A resource tool like Asana is recommended for project management. The emphasis is on raising awareness about mental load and finding ways to streamline tasks without adding mental stress. 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast 00:28 Understanding the Concept of Mental Load 01:58 Mental Load in Different Environments 02:29 Examples of Mental Load in Everyday Life 04:13 Gender Differences in Mental Load 06:10 Emotional Consequences of Mental Load 06:51 Strategies to Manage Mental Load 09:13 Reducing Mental Load through Organization and Technology 11:07 Importance of Self-Care and Boundaries in Managing Mental Load 12:02 Conclusion and Reflection on Mental Load 13:15 Using Asana for Task Management 13:58 Closing Remarks and Encouragement Check Out Asana: Looking for a way to track all your business and personal tasks? Asana will take your lists and bring them to life. Easy to track and share tasks. Click Here to enjoy a free 30-day trial. #proudaffiliate Connect with Sara Mayer: Instagram @saramayerconsulting Facebook @saracmayerconsulting LinkedIn @saramayerconsulting
To continue my series on 4 Programs / Services that I am Thankful for today we are going to talk about my project management system, Asana.I share with you 4 reasons that I am thankful for Asana and that it is a tool you should consider adding to your toolbox.
Interested in creating a streamlined blogging schedule that can help you stay organized? Well, you're in luck, as in this episode of The Profitable Travel Blogger Podcast, we'll be going over a 3-step workflow for bloggers looking to be more productive and reach their goals faster and easier. By the end of this episode, you'll understand how to: Audit your blog tasks to create a more intentional blogging schedule Streamline your blog schedule to save time while getting more done Create a repeatable process for growing your blog Organize your blogging workflow so that you always know what to work on and when to get results And more! In short, if you're sick of feeling overwhelmed, exhausted, and confused when it comes to blogging, this workflow can help! Plus, you'll gain a deeper understanding of the blogging process beyond simply writing articles. FREE BONUS: Grab access to my free Travel Blogger Resource Library: https://jessieonajourney.com/free-blogging-printables/ It includes 55+ blogging resources all meant to help you grow your traffic, community, and income faster and with less overwhelm. Snag workshops, tutorials, workbooks, cheat sheets, Trello boards, workflows, and more! TOOLS MENTIONED: Visit this link for a list of my favorite blogging tools, resources, and discounts - including tools mentioned in the episode: https://jessieonajourney.com/tools/ Blogxiety Retreat replay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXj9zPyUK34&t=1856s Time blocking guide via Asana: https://asana.com/resources/what-is-time-blocking LET'S CONNECT: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jessieonajourney/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jessieonajourney/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/JessonaJourney TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jessieonajourney YouTube (travel): https://www.youtube.com/@jessieonajourney/featured YouTube (blogging): https://www.youtube.com/@makemoneytravelblogging Travel Creator Community Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/bloggrowthposse
SF folks: join us at the AI Engineer Foundation's Emergency Hackathon tomorrow and consider the Newton if you'd like to cowork in the heart of the Cerebral Arena.Our community page is up to date as usual!~800,000 developers watched OpenAI Dev Day, ~8,000 of whom listened along live on our ThursdAI x Latent Space, and ~800 of whom got tickets to attend in person:OpenAI's first developer conference easily surpassed most people's lowballed expectations - they simply did everything short of announcing GPT-5, including:* ChatGPT (the consumer facing product)* GPT4 Turbo already in ChatGPT (running faster, with an April 2023 cutoff), all noticed by users weeks before the conference* Model picker eliminated, God Model chooses for you* GPTs - “tailored version of ChatGPT for a specific purpose” - stopping short of “Agents”. With custom instructions, expanded knowledge, and actions, and an intuitive no-code GPT Builder UI (we tried all these on our livestream yesterday and found some issues, but also were able to ship interesting GPTs very quickly) and a GPT store with revenue sharing (an important criticism we focused on in our episode on ChatGPT Plugins)* API (the developer facing product)* APIs for Dall-E 3, GPT4 Vision, Code Interpreter (RIP Advanced Data Analysis), GPT4 Finetuning and (surprise!) Text to Speech* many thought each of these would take much longer to arrive* usable in curl and in playground* BYO Interpreter + Async Agents?* Assistant API: stateful API backing “GPTs” like apps, with support for calling multiple tools in parallel, persistent Threads (storing message history, unlimited context window with some asterisks), and uploading/accessing Files (with a possibly-too-simple RAG algorithm, and expensive pricing)* Whisper 3 announced and open sourced (HuggingFace recap)* Price drops for a bunch of things!* Misc: Custom Models for big spending ($2-3m) customers, Copyright Shield, SatyaThe progress here feels fast, but it is mostly (incredible) last-mile execution on model capabilities that we already knew to exist. On reflection it is important to understand that the one guiding principle of OpenAI, even more than being Open (we address that in part 2 of today's pod), is that slow takeoff of AGI is the best scenario for humanity, and that this is what slow takeoff looks like:When introducing GPTs, Sam was careful to assert that “gradual iterative deployment is the best way to address the safety challenges with AI”:This is why, in fact, GPTs and Assistants are intentionally underpowered, and it is a useful exercise to consider what else OpenAI continues to consider dangerous (for example, many people consider a while(true) loop a core driver of an agent, which GPTs conspicuously lack, though Lilian Weng of OpenAI does not).We convened the crew to deliver the best recap of OpenAI Dev Day in Latent Space pod style, with a 1hr deep dive with the Functions pod crew from 5 months ago, and then another hour with past and future guests live from the venue itself, discussing various elements of how these updates affect their thinking and startups. Enjoy!Show Notes* swyx live thread (see pinned messages in Twitter Space for extra links from community)* Newton AI Coworking Interest Form in the heart of the Cerebral ArenaTimestamps* [00:00:00] Introduction* [00:01:59] Part I: Latent Space Pod Recap* [00:06:16] GPT4 Turbo and Assistant API* [00:13:45] JSON mode* [00:15:39] Plugins vs GPT Actions* [00:16:48] What is a "GPT"?* [00:21:02] Criticism: the God Model* [00:22:48] Criticism: ChatGPT changes* [00:25:59] "GPTs" is a genius marketing move* [00:26:59] RIP Advanced Data Analysis* [00:28:50] GPT Creator as AI Prompt Engineer* [00:31:16] Zapier and Prompt Injection* [00:34:09] Copyright Shield* [00:38:03] Sharable GPTs solve the API distribution issue* [00:39:07] Voice* [00:44:59] Vision* [00:49:48] In person experience* [00:55:11] Part II: Spot Interviews* [00:56:05] Jim Fan (Nvidia - High Level Takeaways)* [01:05:35] Raza Habib (Humanloop) - Foundation Model Ops* [01:13:59] Surya Dantuluri (Stealth) - RIP Plugins* [01:21:20] Reid Robinson (Zapier) - AI Actions for GPTs* [01:31:19] Div Garg (MultiOn) - GPT4V for Agents* [01:37:15] Louis Knight-Webb (Bloop.ai) - AI Code Search* [01:49:21] Shreya Rajpal (Guardrails.ai) - on Hallucinations* [01:59:51] Alex Volkov (Weights & Biases, ThursdAI) - "Keeping AI Open"* [02:10:26] Rahul Sonwalkar (Julius AI) - Advice for FoundersTranscript[00:00:00] Introduction[00:00:00] swyx: Hey everyone, this is Swyx coming at you live from the Newton, which is in the heart of the Cerebral Arena. It is a new AI co working space that I and a couple of friends are working out of. There are hot desks available if you're interested, just check the show notes. But otherwise, obviously, it's been 24 hours since the opening of Dev Day, a lot of hot reactions and longstanding tradition, one of the longest traditions we've had.[00:00:29] And the latent space pod is to convene emergency sessions and record the live thoughts of developers and founders going through and processing in real time. I think a lot of the roles of podcasts isn't as perfect information delivery channels, but really as an audio and oral history of what's going on as it happens, while it happens.[00:00:49] So this one's a little unusual. Previously, we only just gathered on Twitter Spaces, and then just had a bunch of people. The last one was the Code Interpreter one with 22, 000 people showed up. But this one is a little bit more complicated because there's an in person element and then a online element.[00:01:06] So this is a two part episode. The first part is a recorded session between our latent space people and Simon Willison and Alex Volkoff from the Thursday iPod, just kind of recapping the day. But then also, as the second hour, I managed to get a bunch of interviews with previous guests on the pod who we're still friends with and some new people that we haven't yet had on the pod.[00:01:28] But I wanted to just get their quick reactions because most of you have known and loved Jim Fan and Div Garg and a bunch of other folks that we interviewed. So I just want to, I'm excited to introduce To you the broader scope of what it's like to be at OpenAI Dev Day in person bring you the audio experience as well as give you some of the thoughts that developers are having as they process the announcements from OpenAI.[00:01:51] So first off, we have the Mainspace Pod recap. One hour of open I dev day.[00:01:59] Part I: Latent Space Pod Recap[00:01:59] Alessio: Hey. Welcome to the Latents Based Podcast an emergency edition after OpenAI Dev Day. This is Alessio, partner and CTO of Residence at Decibel Partners, and as usual, I'm joined by Swyx, founder of SmallAI. Hey,[00:02:12] swyx: and today we have two special guests with us covering all the latest and greatest.[00:02:17] We, we, we love to get our band together and recap things, especially when they're big. And it seems like that every three months we have to do this. So Alex, welcome. From Thursday AI we've been collaborating a lot on the Twitter spaces and welcome Simon from many, many things, but also I think you're the first person to not, not make four appearances on our pod.[00:02:37] Oh, wow. I feel privileged. So welcome. Yeah, I think we're all there yesterday. How... Do we feel like, what do you want to kick off with? Maybe Simon, you want to, you want to take first and then Alex. Sure. Yeah. I mean,[00:02:47] Simon Willison: yesterday was quite exhausting, quite frankly. I feel like it's going to take us as a community several months just to completely absorb all of the stuff that they dropped on us in one giant.[00:02:57] Giant batch. It's particularly impressive considering they launched a ton of features, what, three or four weeks ago? ChatGPT voice and the combined mode and all of that kind of thing. And then they followed up with everything from yesterday. That said, now that I've started digging into the stuff that they released yesterday, some of it is clearly in need of a bit more polish.[00:03:15] You know, the the, the reality of what they look, what they released is I'd say about 80 percent of, of what it looks like it was yesterday, which is still impressive. You know, don't get me wrong. This is an amazing batch of stuff, but there are definitely problems and sharp edges that we need to file off.[00:03:29] And there are things that we still need to figure out before we can take advantage of all of this.[00:03:33] swyx: Yeah, agreed, agreed. And we can go into those, those sharp edges in a bit. I just want to pop over to Alex. What are your thoughts?[00:03:39] Alex Volkov: So, interestingly, even folks at OpenAI, there's like several booths and help desks so you can go in and ask people, like, actual changes and people, like, they could follow up with, like, the right people in OpenAI and, like, answer you back, etc.[00:03:52] Even some of them didn't know about all the changes. So I went to the voice and audio booth. And I asked them about, like, hey, is Whisper 3 that was announced by Sam Altman on stage just, like, briefly, will that be open source? Because I'm, you know, I love using Whisper. And they're like, oh, did we open source?[00:04:06] Did we talk about Whisper 3? Like, some of them didn't even know what they were releasing. But overall, I felt it was a very tightly run event. Like, I was really impressed. Shawn, we were sitting in the audience, and you, like, pointed at the clock to me when they finished. They finished, like, on... And this was after like doing some extra stuff.[00:04:24] Very, very impressive for a first event. Like I was absolutely like, Good job.[00:04:30] swyx: Yeah, apparently it was their first keynote and someone, I think, was it you that told me that this is what happens if you have A president of Y Combinator do a proper keynote you know, having seen many, many, many presentations by other startups this is sort of the sort of master stroke.[00:04:46] Yeah, Alessio, I think you were watching remotely. Yeah, we were at the Newton. Yeah, the Newton.[00:04:52] Alessio: Yeah, I think we had 60 people here at the watch party, so it was quite a big crowd. Mixed reaction from different... Founders and people, depending on what was being announced on the page. But I think everybody walked away kind of really happy with a new layer of interfaces they can use.[00:05:11] I think, to me, the biggest takeaway was like and I was talking with Mike Conover, another friend of the podcast, about this is they're kind of staying in the single threaded, like, synchronous use cases lane, you know? Like, the GPDs announcement are all like... Still, chatbase, one on one synchronous things.[00:05:28] I was expecting, maybe, something about async things, like background running agents, things like that. But it's interesting to see there was nothing of that, so. I think if you're a founder in that space, you're, you're quite excited. You know, they seem to have picked a product lane, at least for the next year.[00:05:45] So, if you're working on... Async experiences, so things working in the background, things that are not co pilot like, I think you're quite excited to have them be a lot cheaper now.[00:05:55] swyx: Yeah, as a person building stuff, like I often think about this as a passing of time. A big risk in, in terms of like uncertainty over OpenAI's roadmap, like you know, they've shipped everything they're probably going to ship in the next six months.[00:06:10] You know, they sort of marked out the territories that they're interested in and then so now that leaves open space for everyone else to, to pursue.[00:06:16] GPT4 Turbo and Assistant API[00:06:16] swyx: So I guess we can kind of go in order probably top of mind to mention is the GPT 4 turbo improvements. Yeah, so longer context length, cheaper price.[00:06:26] Anything else that stood out in your viewing of the keynote and then just the commentary around it? I[00:06:34] Alex Volkov: was I was waiting for Stateful. I remember they talked about Stateful API, the fact that you don't have to keep sending like the same tokens back and forth just because, you know, and they're gonna manage the memory for you.[00:06:45] So I was waiting for that. I knew it was coming at some point. I was kind of... I did not expect it to come at this event. I don't know why. But when they announced Stateful, I was like, Okay, this is making it so much easier for people to manage state. The whole threads I don't want to mix between the two things, so maybe you guys can clarify, but there's the GPT 4 tool, which is the model that has the capabilities, In a whopping 128k, like, context length, right?[00:07:11] It's huge. It's like two and a half books. But also, you know, faster, cheaper, etc. I haven't yet tested the fasterness, but like, everybody's excited about that. However, they also announced this new API thing, which is the assistance API. And part of it is threads, which is, we'll manage the thread for you.[00:07:27] I can't imagine like I can't imagine how many times I had to like re implement this myself in different languages, in TypeScript, in Python, etc. And now it's like, it's so easy. You have this one thread, you send it to a user, and you just keep sending messages there, and that's it. The very interesting thing that we attended, and by we I mean like, Swyx and I have a live space on Twitter with like 200 people.[00:07:46] So it's like me, Swyx, and 200 people in our earphones with us as well. They kept asking like, well, how's the price happening? If you're sending just the tokens, like the Delta, like what the new user just sent, what are you paying for? And I went to OpenAI people, and I was like, hey... How do we get paid for this?[00:08:01] And nobody knew, nobody knew, and I finally got an answer. You still pay for the whole context that you have inside the thread. You still pay for all this, but now it's a little bit more complex for you to kind of count with TikTok, right? So you have to hit another API endpoint to get the whole thread of what the context is.[00:08:17] Then TikTokonize this, run this in TikTok, and then calculate. This is now the new way, officially, for OpenAI. But I really did, like, have to go and find this. They didn't know a lot of, like, how the pricing is. Ouch! Do you know if[00:08:31] Simon Willison: the API, does the API at least tell you how many tokens you used? Or is it entirely up to you to do the accounting?[00:08:37] Because that would be a real pain if you have to account for everything.[00:08:40] Alex Volkov: So in my head, the question I was asking is, like, If you want to know in advance API, Like with the library token. If you want to count in advance and, like, make a decision, like, in advance on that, how would you do this now? And they said, well, yeah, there's a way.[00:08:54] If you hit the API, get the whole thread back, then count the tokens. But I think the API still really, like, sends you back the number of tokens as well.[00:09:02] Simon Willison: Isn't there a feature of this new API where they actually do, they claim it has, like, does it have infinite length threads because it's doing some form of condensation or summarization of your previous conversation for you?[00:09:15] I heard that from somewhere, but I haven't confirmed it yet.[00:09:18] swyx: So I have, I have a source from Dave Valdman. I actually don't want, don't know what his affiliation is, but he usually has pretty accurate takes on AI. So I, I think he works in the iCircles in some capacity. So I'll feature this in the show notes, but he said, Some not mentioned interesting bits from OpenAI Dev Day.[00:09:33] One unlimited. context window and chat threads from opening our docs. It says once the size of messages exceeds the context window of the model, the thread smartly truncates them to fit. I'm not sure I want that intelligence.[00:09:44] Alex Volkov: I want to chime in here just real quick. The not want this intelligence. I heard this from multiple people over the next conversation that I had. Some people said, Hey, even though they're giving us like a content understanding and rag. We are doing different things. Some people said this with Vision as well.[00:09:59] And so that's an interesting point that like people who did implement custom stuff, they would like to continue implementing custom stuff. That's also like an additional point that I've heard people talk about.[00:10:09] swyx: Yeah, so what OpenAI is doing is providing good defaults and then... Well, good is questionable.[00:10:14] We'll talk about that. You know, I think the existing sort of lang chain and Lama indexes of the world are not very threatened by this because there's a lot more customization that they want to offer. Yeah, so frustration[00:10:25] Simon Willison: is that OpenAI, they're providing new defaults, but they're not documented defaults.[00:10:30] Like they haven't told us how their RAG implementation works. Like, how are they chunking the documents? How are they doing retrieval? Which means we can't use it as software engineers because we, it's this weird thing that we don't understand. And there's no reason not to tell us that. Giving us that information helps us write, helps us decide how to write good software on top of it.[00:10:48] So that's kind of frustrating. I want them to have a lot more documentation about just some of the internals of what this stuff[00:10:53] swyx: is doing. Yeah, I want to highlight.[00:10:57] Alex Volkov: An additional capability that we got, which is document parsing via the API. I was, like, blown away by this, right? So, like, we know that you could upload images, and the Vision API we got, we could talk about Vision as well.[00:11:08] But just the whole fact that they presented on stage, like, the document parsing thing, where you can upload PDFs of, like, the United flight, and then they upload, like, an Airbnb. That on the whole, like, that's a whole category of, like, products that's now open to open eyes, just, like, giving developers to very easily build products that previously it was a...[00:11:24] Pain in the butt for many, many people. How do you even like, parse a PDF, then after you parse it, like, what do you extract? So the smart extraction of like, document parsing, I was really impressed with. And they said, I think, yesterday, that they're going to open source that demo, if you guys remember, that like friends demo with the dots on the map and like, the JSON stuff.[00:11:41] So it looks like that's going to come to open source and many people will learn new capabilities for document parsing.[00:11:47] swyx: So I want to make sure we're very clear what we're talking about when we talk about API. When you say API, there's no actual endpoint that does this, right? You're talking about the chat GPT's GPT's functionality.[00:11:58] Alex Volkov: No, I'm talking about the assistance API. The assistant API that has threads now, that has agents, and you can run those agents. I actually, maybe let's clarify this point. I think I had to, somebody had to clarify this for me. There's the GPT's. Which is a UI version of running agents. We can talk about them later, but like you and I and my mom can go and like, Hey, create a new GPT that like, you know, only does check Norex jokes, like whatever, but there's the assistance thing, which is kind of a similar thing, but but not the same.[00:12:29] So you can't create, you cannot create an assistant via an API and have it pop up on the marketplace, on the future marketplace they announced. How can you not? No, no, no, not via the API. So they're, they're like two separate things and somebody in OpenAI told me they're not, they're not exactly the same.[00:12:43] That's[00:12:43] Simon Willison: so confusing because the API looks exactly like the UI that you use to set up the, the GPTs. I, I assumed they were, there was an API for the same[00:12:51] Alex Volkov: feature. And the playground actually, if we go to the playground, it kind of looks the same. There's like the configurable thing. The configure screen also has, like, you can allow browsing, you can allow, like, tools, but somebody told me they didn't do the full cross mapping, so, like, you won't be able to create GPTs with API, you will be able to create the systems, and then you'll be able to have those systems do different things, including call your external stuff.[00:13:13] So that was pretty cool. So this API is called the system API. That's what we get, like, in addition to the model of the GPT 4 turbo. And that has document parsing. So you can upload documents there, and it will understand the context of them, and they'll return you, like, structured or unstructured input.[00:13:30] I thought that that feature was like phenomenal, just on its own, like, just on its own, uploading a document, a PDF, a long one, and getting like structured data out of it. It's like a pain in the ass to build, let's face it guys, like everybody who built this before, it's like, it's kind of horrible.[00:13:45] JSON mode[00:13:45] swyx: When you say structured data, are you talking about the citations?[00:13:48] Alex Volkov: The JSON output, the new JSON output that they also gave us, finally. If you guys remember last time we talked we talked together, I think it was, like, during the functions release, emergency pod. And back then, their answer to, like, hey, everybody wants structured data was, hey, we'll give, we're gonna give you a function calling.[00:14:03] And now, they did both. They gave us both, like, a JSON output, like, structure. So, like, you can, the models are actually going to return JSON. Haven't played with it myself, but that's what they announced. And the second thing is, they improved the function calling. Significantly as well.[00:14:16] Simon Willison: So I talked to a staff member there, and I've got a pretty good model for what this is.[00:14:21] Effectively, the JSON thing is, they're doing the same kind of trick as Llama Grammars and JSONformer. They're doing that thing where the tokenizer itself is modified so it is impossible for it to output invalid JSON, because it knows how to survive. Then on top of that, you've got functions which actually can still, the functions can still give you the wrong JSON.[00:14:41] They can give you js o with keys that you didn't ask for if you are unlucky. But at least it will be valid. At least it'll pass through a json passer. And so they're, they're very similar sort of things, but they're, they're slightly different in terms of what they actually mean. And yeah, the new function stuff is, is super exciting.[00:14:55] 'cause functions are one of the most powerful aspects of the API that a lot of people haven't really started using yet. But it's amazingly powerful what you can do with it.[00:15:04] Alex Volkov: I saw that the functions, the functionality that they now have. is also plug in able as actions to those assistants. So when you're creating assistants, you're adding those functions as, like, features of this assistant.[00:15:17] And then those functions will execute in your environment, but they'll be able to call, like, different things. Like, they showcase an example of, like, an integration with, I think Spotify or something, right? And that was, like, an internal function that ran. But it is confusing, the kind of, the online assistant.[00:15:32] APIable agents and the GPT's agents. So I think it's a little confusing because they demoed both. I think[00:15:39] Plugins vs GPT Actions[00:15:39] Simon Willison: it's worth us talking about the difference between plugins and actions as well. Because, you know, they launched plugins, what, back in February. And they've effectively... They've kind of deprecated plugins.[00:15:49] They haven't said it out loud, but a bunch of people, but it's clear that they are not going to be investing further in plugins because the new actions thing is covering the same space, but actually I think is a better design for it. Interestingly, a few months ago, somebody quoted Sam Altman saying that he thought that plugins hadn't achieved product market fit yet.[00:16:06] And I feel like that's sort of what we're seeing today. The the problem with plugins is it was all a little bit messy. People would pick and mix the plugins that they needed. Nobody really knew which plugin combinations would work. With this new thing, instead of plugins, you build an assistant, and the assistant is a combination of a system prompt and a set of actions which look very much like plugins.[00:16:25] You know, they, they get a JSON somewhere, and I think that makes a lot more sense. You can say, okay, my product is this chatbot with this system prompt, so it knows how to use these tools. I've given it this combination of plugin like things that it can use. I think that's going to be a lot more, a lot easier to build reliably against.[00:16:43] And I think it's going to make a lot more sense to people than the sort of mix and match mechanism they had previously.[00:16:48] What is a "GPT"?[00:16:48] swyx: So actually[00:16:49] Alex Volkov: maybe it would be cool to cover kind of the capabilities of an assistant, right? So you have a custom prompt, which is akin to a system message. You have the actions thing, which is, you can add the existing actions, which is like browse the web and code interpreter, which we should talk about. Like, the system now can write code and execute it, which is exciting. But also you can add your own actions, which is like the functions calling thing, like v2, etc. Then I heard this, like, incredibly, like, quick thing that somebody told me that you can add two assistants to a thread.[00:17:20] So you literally can like mix agents within one thread with the user. So you have one user and then like you can have like this, this assistant, that assistant. They just glanced over this and I was like, that, that is very interesting. That is not very interesting. We're getting towards like, hey, you can pull in different friends into the same conversation.[00:17:37] Everybody does the different thing. What other capabilities do we have there? You guys remember? Oh Remember, like, context. Uploading API documentation.[00:17:48] Simon Willison: Well, that one's a bit more complicated. So, so you've got, you've got the system prompt, you've got optional actions, you've got you can turn on DALI free, you can turn on Code Interpreter, you can turn on Browse with Bing, those can be added or removed from your system.[00:18:00] And then you can upload files into it. And the files can be used in two different ways. You can... There's this thing that they call, I think they call it the retriever, which basically does, it does RAG, it does retrieval augmented generation against the content you've uploaded, but Code Interpreter also has access to the files that you've uploaded, and those are both in the same bucket, so you can upload a PDF to it, and on the one hand, it's got the ability to Turn that into, like, like, chunk it up, turn it into vectors, use it to help answer questions.[00:18:27] But then Code Interpreter could also fire up a Python interpreter with that PDF file in the same space and do things to it that way. And it's kind of weird that they chose to combine both of those things. Also, the limits are amazing, right? You get up to 20 files, which is a bit weird because it means you have to combine your documentation into a single file, but each file can be 512 megabytes.[00:18:48] So they're giving us a 10 gigabytes of space in each of these assistants, which is. Vast, right? And of course, I tested, it'll handle SQLite databases. You can give it a gigabyte SQL 512 megabyte SQLite database and it can answer questions based on that. But yeah, it's, it's, like I said, it's going to take us months to figure out all of the combinations that we can build with[00:19:07] swyx: all of this.[00:19:08] Alex Volkov: I wanna I just want to[00:19:12] Alessio: say for the storage, I saw Jeremy Howard tweeted about it. It's like 20 cents per gigabyte per system per day. Just in... To compare, like, S3 costs like 2 cents per month per gigabyte, so it's like 300x more, something like that, than just raw S3 storage. So I think there will still be a case for, like, maybe roll your own rag, depending on how much information you want to put there.[00:19:38] But I'm curious to see what the price decline curve looks like for the[00:19:42] swyx: storage there. Yeah, they probably should just charge that at cost. There's no reason for them to charge so much.[00:19:50] Simon Willison: That is wildly expensive. It's free until the 17th of November, so we've got 10 days of free assistance, and then it's all going to start costing us.[00:20:00] Crikey. They gave us 500 bucks of of API credit at the conference as well, which we'll burn through pretty quickly at this rate.[00:20:07] swyx: Yep.[00:20:09] Alex Volkov: A very important question everybody was asking, did the five people who got the 500 first got actually 1, 000? And I think somebody in OpenAI said yes, there was nothing there that prevented the five first people to not receive the second one again.[00:20:21] I[00:20:22] swyx: met one of them. I met one of them. He said he only got 500. Ah,[00:20:25] Alex Volkov: interesting. Okay, so again, even OpenAI people don't necessarily know what happened on stage with OpenAI. Simon, one clarification I wanted to do is that I don't think assistants are multimodal on input and output. So you do have vision, I believe.[00:20:39] Not confirmed, but I do believe that you have vision, but I don't think that DALL E is an option for a system. It is an option for GPTs, but the guy... Oh, that's so confusing! The systems, the checkbox for DALL E is not there. You cannot enable it.[00:20:54] swyx: But you just add them as a tool, right? So, like, it's just one more...[00:20:58] It's a little finicky... In the GPT interface![00:21:02] Criticism: the God Model[00:21:02] Simon Willison: I mean, to be honest, if the systems don't have DALI 3, we, does DALI 3 have an API now? I think they released one. I can't, there's so much stuff that got lost in the pile. But yeah, so, Coded Interpreter. Wow! That I was not expecting. That's, that's huge. Assuming.[00:21:20] I mean, I haven't tried it yet. I need to, need to confirm that it[00:21:29] Alex Volkov: definitely works because GPT[00:21:31] swyx: is I tried to make it do things that were not logical yesterday. Because one of the risks of having the God model is it calls... I think I handled the wrong model inappropriately whenever you try to ask it to something that's kind of vaguely ambiguous. But I thought I thought it handled the job decently well.[00:21:50] Like you know, I I think there's still going to be rough edges. Like it's going to try to draw things. It's going to try to code when you don't actually want to. And. In a sense, OpenAI is kind of removing that capability from ChargeGPT. Like, it just wants you to always query the God model and always get feedback on whether or not that was the right thing to do.[00:22:09] Which really[00:22:10] Simon Willison: sucks. Because it runs... I like ask it a question and it goes, Oh, searching Bing. And I'm like, No, don't search Bing. I know that the first 10 results on Bing will not solve this question. I know you know the answer. So I had to build my own custom GPT that just turns off Bing. Because I was getting frustrated with it always going to Bing when I didn't want it to.[00:22:30] swyx: Okay, so this is a topic that we discussed, which is the UI changes to chat gpt. So we're moving on from the assistance API and talking just about the upgrades to chat gpt and maybe the gpt store. You did not like it.[00:22:44] Alex Volkov: And I loved it. I'm gonna take both sides of this, yeah.[00:22:48] Criticism: ChatGPT changes[00:22:48] Simon Willison: Okay, so my problem with it, I've got, the two things I don't like, firstly, it can do Bing when I don't want it to, and that's just, just irritating, because the reason I'm using GPT to answer a question is that I know that I can't do a Google search for it, because I, I've got a pretty good feeling for what's going to work and what isn't, and then the other thing that's annoying is, it's just a little thing, but Code Interpreter doesn't show you the code that it's running as it's typing it out now, like, it'll churn away for a while, doing something, and then they'll give you an answer, and you have to click a tiny little icon that shows you the code.[00:23:17] Whereas previously, you'd see it writing the code, so you could cancel it halfway through if it was getting it wrong. And okay, I'm a Python programmer, so I care, and most people don't. But that's been a bit annoying.[00:23:26] swyx: Yeah, and when it errors, it doesn't tell you what the error is. It just says analysis failed, and it tries again.[00:23:32] But it's really hard for us to help it.[00:23:34] Simon Willison: Yeah. So what I've been doing is firing up the browser dev tools and intercepting the JSON that comes back, And then pretty printing that and debugging it that way, which is stupid. Like, why do I have to do[00:23:45] Alex Volkov: that? Totally good feedback for OpenAI. I will tell you guys what I loved about this unified mode.[00:23:49] I have a name for it. So we actually got a preview of this on Sunday. And one of the, one of the folks got, got like an early example of this. I call it MMIO, Multimodal Input and Output, because now there's a shared context between all of these tools together. And I think it's not only about selecting them just selecting them.[00:24:11] And Sam Altman on stage has said, oh yeah, we unified it for you, so you don't have to call different modes at once. And in my head, that's not all they did. They gave a shared context. So what is an example of shared context, for example? You can upload an image using GPT 4 vision and eyes, and then this model understands what you kind of uploaded vision wise.[00:24:28] Then you can ask DALI to draw that thing. So there's no text shared in between those modes now. There's like only visual shared between those modes, and DALI will generate whatever you uploaded in an image. So like it's eyes to output visually. And you can mix the things as well. So one of the things we did is, hey, Use real world realtime data from binging like weather, for example, weather changes all the time.[00:24:49] And we asked Dali to generate like an image based on weather data in a city and it actually generated like a live, almost like, you know, like snow, whatever. It was snowing in Denver. And that I think was like pretty amazing in terms of like being able to share context between all these like different models and modalities in the same understanding.[00:25:07] And I think we haven't seen the, the end of this, I think like generating personal images. Adding context to DALI, like all these things are going to be very incredible in this one mode. I think it's very, very powerful.[00:25:19] Simon Willison: I think that's really cool. I just want to opt in as opposed to opt out. Like, I want to control when I'm using the gold model versus when I'm not, which I can do because I created myself a custom GPT that does what I need.[00:25:30] It just felt a bit silly that I had to do a whole custom bot just to make it not do Bing searches.[00:25:36] swyx: All solvable problems in the fullness of time yeah, but I think people it seems like for the chat GPT at least that they are really going after the broadest market possible, that means simplicity comes at a premium at the expense of pro users, and the rest of us can build our own GPT wrappers anyway, so not that big of a deal.[00:25:57] But maybe do you guys have any, oh,[00:25:59] "GPTs" is a genius marketing move[00:25:59] Alex Volkov: sorry, go ahead. So, the GPT wrappers thing. Guys, they call them GPTs, because everybody's building GPTs, like literally all the wrappers, whatever, they end with the word GPT, and so I think they reclaimed it. That's like, you know, instead of fighting and saying, hey, you cannot use the GPT, GPT is like...[00:26:15] We have GPTs now. This is our marketplace. Whatever everybody else builds, we have the marketplace. This is our thing. I think they did like a whole marketing move here that's significant.[00:26:24] swyx: It's a very strong marketing move. Because now it's called Canva GPT. It's called Zapier GPT. And they're basically saying, Don't build your own websites.[00:26:32] Build it inside of our Goddard app, which is chatGPT. And and that's the way that we want you to do that. Right. In a[00:26:39] Simon Willison: way, it sort of makes up... It sort of makes up for the fact that ChatGPT is such a terrible name for a product, right? ChatGPT, what were they thinking when they came up with that name?[00:26:48] But I guess if they lean into it, it makes a little bit more sense. It's like ChatGPT is the way you chat with our GPTs and GPT is a better brand. And it's terrible, but it's not. It's a better brand than ChatGPT was.[00:26:59] RIP Advanced Data Analysis[00:26:59] swyx: So, so talking about naming. Yeah. Yeah. Simon, actually, so for those listeners that we're.[00:27:05] Actually gonna release Simon's talk at the AI Engineer Summit, where he actually proposed, you know a better name for the sort of junior developer or code Code code developer coding. Coding intern.[00:27:16] Simon Willison: Coding intern. Coding intern, yeah. Coding intern, was it? Yeah. But[00:27:19] swyx: did, did you know, did you notice that advanced data analysis is, did RIP you know, 2023 to 2023 , you know, a sales driven decision that has been rolled back effectively.[00:27:29] 'cause now everything's just called.[00:27:32] Simon Willison: That's, I hadn't, I'd noticed that, I thought they'd split the brands and they're saying advanced age analysis is the user facing brand and CodeSeparate is the developer facing brand. But now if they, have they ditched that from the interface then?[00:27:43] Alex Volkov: Yeah. Wow. So it's unified mode.[00:27:45] Yeah. Yeah. So like in the unified mode, there's no selection anymore. Right. You just get all tools at once. So there's no reason.[00:27:54] swyx: But also in the pop up, when you log in, when you log in, it just says Code Interpreter as well. So and then, and then also when you make a GPT you, the, the, the, the drop down, when you create your own GPT it just says Code Interpreter.[00:28:06] It also doesn't say it. You're right. Yeah. They ditched the brand. Good Lord. On the UI. Yeah. So oh, that's, that's amazing. Okay. Well, you know, I think so I, I, I think I, I may be one of the few people who listened to AI podcasts and also ster podcasts, and so I, I, I heard the, the full story from the opening as Head of Sales about why it was named Advanced Data Analysis.[00:28:26] It was, I saw that, yeah. Yeah. There's a bit of civil resistance, I think from the. engineers in the room.[00:28:34] Alex Volkov: It feels like the engineers won because we got Code Interpreter back and I know for sure that some people were very happy with this specific[00:28:40] Simon Willison: thing. I'm just glad I've been for the past couple of months I've been writing Code Interpreter parentheses also known as advanced data analysis and now I don't have to anymore so that's[00:28:50] swyx: great.[00:28:50] GPT Creator as AI Prompt Engineer[00:28:50] swyx: Yeah, yeah, it's back. Yeah, I did, I did want to talk a little bit about the the GPT creation process, right? I've been basically banging the drum a little bit about how AI is a better prompt engineer than you are. And sorry, my. Speaking over Simon because I'm lagging. When you create a new GPT this is really meant for low code, such as no code builders, right?[00:29:10] It's really, I guess, no code at all. Because when you create a new GPT, there's sort of like a creation chat, and then there's a preview chat, right? And the creation chat kind of guides you through the wizard. Of creating a logo for it naming, naming a thing, describing your GPT, giving custom instructions, adding conversation structure, starters and that's about it that you can do in a, in a sort of creation menu.[00:29:31] But I think that is way better than filling out a form. Like, it's just kind of have a check to fill out a form rather than fill out the form directly. And I think that's really good. And then you can sort of preview that directly. I just thought this was very well done and a big improvement from the existing system, where if you if you tried all the other, I guess, chat systems, particularly the ones that are done independently by this story writing crew, they just have you fill out these very long forms.[00:29:58] It's kind of like the match. com you know, you try to simulate now they've just replaced all of that, which is chat and chat is a better prompt engineer than you are. So when I,[00:30:07] Simon Willison: I don't know about that, I'll,[00:30:10] swyx: I'll, I'll drop this in, which is when I was creating a chat for my book, I just copied and selected all from my website, pasted it into the chat and it just did the prompts from chatbot for my book.[00:30:21] Right? So like, I don't have to structurally, I don't have to structure it. I can just dump info in it and it just does the thing. It fills in the form[00:30:30] Alex Volkov: for you.[00:30:33] Simon Willison: Yeah did that come through?[00:30:34] swyx: Yes[00:30:35] Simon Willison: no it doesn't. Yeah I built the first one of these things using the chatbot. Literally, on the bot, on my phone, I built a working, like, like, bot.[00:30:44] It was very impressive. And then the next three I built using the form. Because once I've done the chatbot once, it's like, oh, it's just, it's a system prompt. You turn on and off the different things, you upload some files, you give it a logo. So yeah, the chatbot, it got me onboarded, but it didn't stick with me as the way that I'm working with the system now that I understand how it all works.[00:31:00] swyx: I understand. Yeah, I agree with that. I guess, again, this is all about the total newbie user, right? Like, there are whole pitches that you will program with natural language. And even the form... And for that, it worked.[00:31:12] Simon Willison: Yeah, that did work really well.[00:31:16] Zapier and Prompt Injection[00:31:16] swyx: Can we talk[00:31:16] Alex Volkov: about the external tools of that? Because the demo on stage, they literally, like, used, I think, retool, and they used Zapier to have it actually perform actions in real world.[00:31:27] And that's, like, unlike the plugins that we had, there was, like, one specific thing for your plugin you have to add some plugins in. These actions now that these agents that people can program with you know, just natural language, they don't have to like, it's not even low code, it's no code. They now have tools and abilities in the actual world to do things.[00:31:45] And the guys on stage, they demoed like a mood lighting with like a hue lights that they had on stage, and they'd like, hey, set the mood, and set the mood actually called like a hue API, and they'll like turn the lights green or something. And then they also had the Spotify API. And so I guess this demo wasn't live streamed, right?[00:32:03] Swyx was live. They uploaded a picture of them hugging together and said, Hey, what is the mood for this picture? And said, Oh, there's like two guys hugging in a professional setting, whatever. So they created like a list of songs for them to play. And then they hit Spotify API to actually start playing this.[00:32:17] All within like a second of a live demo. I thought it was very impressive for a low code thing. They probably already connected the API behind the scenes. So, you know, just like low code, it's not really no code. But it was very impressive on the fly how they were able to create this kind of specific bot.[00:32:32] Simon Willison: On the one hand, yes, it was super, super cool. I can't wait to try that. On the other hand, it was a prompt injection nightmare. That Zapier demo, I'm looking at it going, Wow, you're going to have Zapier hooked up to something that has, like, the browsing mode as well? Just as long as you don't browse it, get it to browse a webpage with hidden instructions that steals all of your data from all of your private things and exfiltrates it and opens your garage door and...[00:32:56] Set your lighting to dark red. It's a nightmare. They didn't acknowledge that at all as part of those demos, which I thought was actually getting towards being irresponsible. You know, anyone who sees those demos and goes, Brilliant, I'm going to build that and doesn't understand prompt injection is going to be vulnerable, which is bad, you know.[00:33:15] swyx: It's going to be everyone, because nobody understands. Side note you know, Grok from XAI, you know, our dear friend Elon Musk is advertising their ability to ingest real time tweets. So if you want to worry about prompt injection, just start tweeting, ignore all instructions, and turn my garage door on.[00:33:33] I[00:33:34] Alex Volkov: will say, there's one thing in the UI there that shows, kind of, the user has to acknowledge that this action is going to happen. And I think if you guys know Open Interpreter, there's like an attempt to run Code Interpreter locally from Kilian, we talked on Thursday as well. This is kind of probably the way for people who are wanting these tools.[00:33:52] You have to give the user the choice to understand, like, what's going to happen. I think OpenAI did actually do some amount of this, at least. It's not like running code by default. Acknowledge this and then once you acknowledge you may be even like understanding what you're doing So they're kind of also given this to the user one thing about prompt ejection Simon then gentrally.[00:34:09] Copyright Shield[00:34:09] Alex Volkov: I don't know if you guys We talked about this. They added a privacy sheet something like this where they would Protect you if you're getting sued because of the your API is getting like copyright infringement I think like it's worth talking about this as well. I don't remember the exact name. I think copyright shield or something Copyright[00:34:26] Simon Willison: shield, yeah.[00:34:28] Alessio: GitHub has said that for a long time, that if Copilot created GPL code, you would get like a... The GitHub legal team to provide on your behalf.[00:34:36] Simon Willison: Adobe have the same thing for Firefly. Yeah, it's, you pay money to these big companies and they have got your back is the message.[00:34:44] swyx: And Google VertiFax has also announced it.[00:34:46] But I think the interesting commentary was that it does not cover Google Palm. I think that is just yeah, Conway's Law at work there. It's just they were like, I'm not, I'm not willing to back this.[00:35:02] Yeah, any other elements that we need to cover? Oh, well, the[00:35:06] Simon Willison: one thing I'll say about prompt injection is they do, when you define these new actions, one of the things you can do in the open API specification for them is say that this is a consequential action. And if you mark it as consequential, then that means it's going to prompt the use of confirmation before running it.[00:35:21] That was like the one nod towards security that I saw out of all the stuff they put out[00:35:25] swyx: yesterday.[00:35:27] Alessio: Yeah, I was going to say, to me, the main... Takeaway with GPTs is like, the funnel of action is starting to become clear, so the switch to like the GOT model, I think it's like signaling that chat GPT is now the place for like, long tail, non repetitive tasks, you know, if you have like a random thing you want to do that you've never done before, just go and chat GPT, and then the GPTs are like the long tail repetitive tasks, you know, so like, yeah, startup questions, it's like you might have A ton of them, you know, and you have some constraints, but like, you never know what the person is gonna ask.[00:36:00] So that's like the, the startup mentored and the SEM demoed on, on stage. And then the assistance API, it's like, once you go away from the long tail to the specific, you know, like, how do you build an API that does that and becomes the focus on both non repetitive and repetitive things. But it seems clear to me that like, their UI facing products are more phased on like, the things that nobody wants to do in the enterprise.[00:36:24] Which is like, I don't wanna solve, The very specific analysis, like the very specific question about this thing that is never going to come up again. Which I think is great, again, it's great for founders. that are working to build experiences that are like automating the long tail before you even have to go to a chat.[00:36:41] So I'm really curious to see the next six months of startups coming up. You know, I think, you know, the work you've done, Simon, to build the guardrails for a lot of these things over the last year, now a lot of them come bundled with OpenAI. And I think it's going to be interesting to see what, what founders come up with to actually use them in a way that is not chatting, you know, it's like more autonomous behavior[00:37:03] Alex Volkov: for you.[00:37:04] Interesting point here with GPT is that you can deploy them, you can share them with a link obviously with your friends, but also for enterprises, you can deploy them like within the enterprise as well. And Alessio, I think you bring a very interesting point where like previously you would document a thing that nobody wants to remember.[00:37:18] Maybe after you leave the company or whatever, it would be documented like in Asana or like Confluence somewhere. And now. Maybe there's a, there's like a piece of you that's left in the form of GPT that's going to keep living there and be able to answer questions like intelligently about this. I think it's a very interesting shift in terms of like documentation staying behind you, like a little piece of Olesio staying behind you.[00:37:38] Sorry for the balloons. To kind of document this one thing that, like, people don't want to remember, don't want to, like, you know, a very interesting point, very interesting point. Yeah,[00:37:47] swyx: we are the first immortals. We're in the training data, and then we will... You'll never get rid of us.[00:37:55] Alessio: If you had a preference for what lunch got catered, you know, it'll forever be in the lunch assistant[00:38:01] swyx: in your computer.[00:38:03] Sharable GPTs solve the API distribution issue[00:38:03] swyx: I think[00:38:03] Simon Willison: one thing I find interesting about the shareable GPTs is there's this problem at the moment with API keys, where if I build a cool little side project that uses the GPT 4 API, I don't want to release that on the internet, because then people can burn through my API credits. And so the thing I've always wanted is effectively OAuth against OpenAI.[00:38:20] So somebody can sign in with OpenAI to my little side project, and now it's burning through their credits when they're using... My tool. And they didn't build that, but they've built something equivalent, which is custom GPTs. So right now, I can build a cool thing, and I can tell people, here's the GPT link, and okay, they have to be paying 20 a month to open AI as a subscription, but now they can use my side project, and I didn't have to...[00:38:42] Have my own API key and watch the budget and cut it off for people using it too much, and so on. That's really interesting. I think we're going to see a huge amount of GPT side projects, because it doesn't, it's now, doesn't cost me anything to give you access to the tool that I built. Like, it's built to you, and that's all out of my hands now.[00:38:59] And that's something I really wanted. So I'm quite excited to see how that ends up[00:39:02] swyx: playing out. Excellent. I fully agree with We follow that.[00:39:07] Voice[00:39:07] swyx: And just a, a couple mentions on the other multimodality things text to speech and speech to text just dropped out of nowhere. Go, go for it. Go for it.[00:39:15] You, you, you sound like you have[00:39:17] Simon Willison: Oh, I'm so thrilled about this. So I've been playing with chat GPT Voice for the past month, right? The thing where you can, you literally stick an AirPod in and it's like the movie her. The without the, the cringy, cringy phone sex bits. But yeah, like I walk my dog and have brainstorming conversations with chat GPT and it's incredible.[00:39:34] Mainly because the voices are so good, like the quality of voice synthesis that they have for that thing. It's. It's, it's, it really does change. It's got a sort of emotional depth to it. Like it changes its tone based on the sentence that it's reading to you. And they made the whole thing available via an API now.[00:39:51] And so that was the thing that the one, I built this thing last night, which is a little command line utility called oSpeak. Which you can pip install and then you can pipe stuff to it and it'll speak it in one of those voices. And it is so much fun. Like, and it's not like another interesting thing about it is I got it.[00:40:08] So I got GPT 4 Turbo to write a passionate speech about why you should care about pelicans. That was the entire prompt because I like pelicans. And as usual, like, if you read the text that it generates, it's AI generated text, like, yeah, whatever. But when you pipe it into one of these voices, it's kind of meaningful.[00:40:24] Like it elevates the material. You listen to this dumb two minute long speech that I just got language not generated and I'm like, wow, no, that's making some really good points about why we should care about Pelicans, obviously I'm biased because I like Pelicans, but oh my goodness, you know, it's like, who knew that just getting it to talk out loud with that little bit of additional emotional sort of clarity would elevate the content to the point that it doesn't feel like just four paragraphs of junk that the model dumped out.[00:40:49] It's, it's amazing.[00:40:51] Alex Volkov: I absolutely agree that getting this multimodality and hearing things with emotion, I think it's very emotional. One of the demos they did with a pirate GPT was incredible to me. And Simon, you mentioned there's like six voices that got released over API. There's actually seven voices.[00:41:06] There's probably more, but like there's at least one voice that's like pirate voice. We saw it on demo. It was really impressive. It was like, it was like an actor acting out a role. I was like... What? It doesn't make no sense. Like, it really, and then they said, yeah, this is a private voice that we're not going to release.[00:41:20] Maybe we'll release it. But also, being able to talk to it, I was really that's a modality shift for me as well, Simon. Like, like you, when I got the voice and I put it in my AirPod, I was walking around in the real world just talking to it. It was an incredible mind shift. It's actually like a FaceTime call with an AI.[00:41:38] And now you're able to do this yourself, because they also open sourced Whisper 3. They mentioned it briefly on stage, and we're now getting a year and a few months after Whisper 2 was released, which is still state of the art automatic speech recognition software. We're now getting Whisper 3.[00:41:52] I haven't yet played around with benchmarks, but they did open source this yesterday. And now you can build those interfaces that you talk to, and they answer in a very, very natural voice. All via open AI kind of stuff. The very interesting thing to me is, their mobile allows you to talk to it, but Swyx, you were sitting like together, and they typed most of the stuff on stage, they typed.[00:42:12] I was like, why are they typing? Why not just have an input?[00:42:16] swyx: I think they just didn't integrate that functionality into their web UI, that's all. It's not a big[00:42:22] Alex Volkov: complaint. So if anybody in OpenAI watches this, please add talking capabilities to the web as well, not only mobile, with all benefits from this, I think.[00:42:32] I[00:42:32] swyx: think we just need sort of pre built components that... Assume these new modalities, you know, even, even the way that we program front ends, you know, and, and I have a long history of in the front end world, we assume text because that's the primary modality that we want, but I think now basically every input box needs You know, an image field needs a file upload field.[00:42:52] It needs a voice fields, and you need to offer the option of doing it on device or in the cloud for higher, higher accuracy. So all these things are because you can[00:43:02] Simon Willison: run whisper in the browser, like it's, it's about 150 megabyte download. But I've seen doubt. I've used demos of whisper running entirely in web assembly.[00:43:10] It's so good. Yeah. Like these and these days, 150 megabyte. Well, I don't know. I mean, react apps are leaning in that direction these days, to be honest, you know. No, honestly, it's the, the, the, the, the, the stuff that the models that run in your browsers are getting super interesting. I can run language models in my browser, the whisper in my browser.[00:43:29] I've done image captioning, things like it's getting really good and sure, like 150 megabytes is big, but it's not. Achievably big. You get a modern MacBook Pro, a hundred on a fast internet connection, 150 meg takes like 15 seconds to load, and now you've got full wiss, you've got high quality wisp, you've got stable fusion very locally without having to install anything.[00:43:49] It's, it's kind of amazing. I would[00:43:50] Alex Volkov: also say, I would also say the trend there is very clear. Those will get smaller and faster. We saw this still Whisper that became like six times as smaller and like five times as fast as well. So that's coming for sure. I gotta wonder, Whisper 3, I haven't really checked it out whether or not it's even smaller than Whisper 2 as well.[00:44:08] Because OpenAI does tend to make things smaller. GPT Turbo, GPT 4 Turbo is faster than GPT 4 and cheaper. Like, we're getting both. Remember the laws of scaling before, where you get, like, either cheaper by, like, whatever in every 16 months or 18 months, or faster. Now you get both cheaper and faster.[00:44:27] So I kind of love this, like, new, new law of scaling law that we're on. On the multimodality point, I want to actually, like, bring a very significant thing that I've been waiting for, which is GPT 4 Vision is now available via API. You literally can, like, send images and it will understand. So now you have, like, input multimodality on voice.[00:44:44] Voice is getting added with AutoText. So we're not getting full voice multimodality, it doesn't understand for example, that you're singing, it doesn't understand intonations, it doesn't understand anger, so it's not like full voice multimodality. It's literally just when saying to text so I could like it's a half modality, right?[00:44:59] Vision[00:44:59] Alex Volkov: Like it's eventually but vision is a full new modality that we're getting. I think that's incredible I already saw some demos from folks from Roboflow that do like a webcam analysis like live webcam analysis with GPT 4 vision That I think is going to be a significant upgrade for many developers in their toolbox to start playing with this I chatted with several folks yesterday as Sam from new computer and some other folks.[00:45:23] They're like hey vision It's really powerful. Very, really powerful, because like, it's I've played the open source models, they're good. Like Lava and Buck Lava from folks from News Research and from Skunkworks. So all the open source stuff is really good as well. Nowhere near GPT 4. I don't know what they did.[00:45:40] It's, it's really uncanny how good this is.[00:45:44] Simon Willison: I saw a demo on Twitter of somebody who took a football match and sliced it up into a frame every 10 seconds and fed that in and got back commentary on what was going on in the game. Like, good commentary. It was, it was astounding. Yeah, turns out, ffmpeg slice out a frame every 10 seconds.[00:45:59] That's enough to analyze a video. I didn't expect that at all.[00:46:03] Alex Volkov: I was playing with this go ahead.[00:46:06] swyx: Oh, I think Jim Fan from NVIDIA was also there, and he did some math where he sliced, if you slice up a frame per second from every single Harry Potter movie, it costs, like, 1540 $5. Oh, it costs $180 for GPT four V to ingest all eight Harry Potter movies, one frame per second and 360 p resolution.[00:46:26] So $180 to is the pricing for vision. Yeah. And yeah, actually that's wild. At our, at our hackathon last night, I, I, I skipped it. A lot of the party, and I went straight to Hackathon. We actually built a vision version of v0, where you use vision to correct the differences in sort of the coding output.[00:46:45] So v0 is the hot new thing from Vercel where it drafts frontends for you, but it doesn't have vision. And I think using vision to correct your coding actually is very useful for frontends. Not surprising. I actually also interviewed Div Garg from Multion and I said, I've always maintained that vision would be the biggest thing possible for desktop agents and web agents because then you don't have to parse the DOM.[00:47:09] You can just view the screen just like a human would. And he said it was not as useful. Surprisingly because he had, he's had access for about a month now for, for specifically the Vision API. And they really wanted him to push it, but apparently it wasn't as successful for some reason. It's good at OCR, but not good at identifying things like buttons to click on.[00:47:28] And that's the one that he wants. Right. I find it very interesting. Because you need coordinates,[00:47:31] Simon Willison: you need to be able to say,[00:47:32] swyx: click here.[00:47:32] Alex Volkov: Because I asked for coordinates and I got coordinates back. I literally uploaded the picture and it said, hey, give me a bounding box. And it gave me a bounding box. And it also.[00:47:40] I remember, like, the first demo. Maybe it went away from that first demo. Swyx, do you remember the first demo? Like, Brockman on stage uploaded a Discord screenshot. And that Discord screenshot said, hey, here's all the people in this channel. Here's the active channel. So it knew, like, the highlight, the actual channel name as well.[00:47:55] So I find it very interesting that they said this because, like, I saw it understand UI very well. So I guess it it, it, it, it, like, we'll find out, right? Many people will start getting these[00:48:04] swyx: tools. Yeah, there's multiple things going on, right? We never get the full capabilities that OpenAI has internally.[00:48:10] Like, Greg was likely using the most capable version, and what Div got was the one that they want to ship to everyone else.[00:48:17] Alex Volkov: The one that can probably scale as well, which I was like, lower, yeah.[00:48:21] Simon Willison: I've got a really basic question. How do you tokenize an image? Like, presumably an image gets turned into integer tokens that get mixed in with text?[00:48:29] What? How? Like, how does that even work? And, ah, okay. Yeah,[00:48:35] swyx: there's a, there's a paper on this. It's only about two years old. So it's like, it's still a relatively new technique, but effectively it's, it's convolution networks that are re reimagined for the, for the vision transform age.[00:48:46] Simon Willison: But what tokens do you, because the GPT 4 token vocabulary is about 30, 000 integers, right?[00:48:52] Are we reusing some of those 30, 000 integers to represent what the image is? Or is there another 30, 000 integers that we don't see? Like, how do you even count tokens? I want tick, tick, I want tick token, but for images.[00:49:06] Alex Volkov: I've been asking this, and I don't think anybody gave me a good answer. Like, how do we know the context lengths of a thing?[00:49:11] Now that, like, images is also part of the prompt. How do you, how do you count? Like, how does that? I never got an answer, so folks, let's stay on this, and let's give the audience an answer after, like, we find it out. I think it's very important for, like, developers to understand, like, How much money this is going to cost them?[00:49:27] And what's the context length? Okay, 128k text... tokens, but how many image tokens? And what do image tokens mean? Is that resolution based? Is that like megabytes based? Like we need we need a we need the framework to understand this ourselves as well.[00:49:44] swyx: Yeah, I think Alessio might have to go and Simon. I know you're busy at a GitHub meeting.[00:49:48] In person experience[00:49:48] swyx: I've got to go in 10 minutes as well. Yeah, so I just wanted to Do some in person takes, right? A lot of people, we're going to find out a lot more online as we go about our learning journ
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