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In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Rob Bruce, a presales leader at Syndigo with 20 years of experience, to discuss an innovative approach to presales operations: the Pursuit Desk. Rob shares how Syndigo has built a dedicated "concierge team" that handles RFPs, security questionnaires, reference coordination, and other time-consuming tasks, freeing solutions engineers to focus on discovery, solutioning, and building customer relationships. The conversation explores how to operate at the "top of your license," the role of AI in scaling pursuit operations, and practical advice for championing similar initiatives at your organization. Thank you to Elvance for sponsoring this episode: https://elvance.io Follow Us Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/ Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/ Connect with Rob Bruce: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robbruce/ Links and Resources Mentioned Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack Book: "Selling is Hard, Buying is Harder" by Garen Hess Timestamps 00:00 Welcome 04:29 What is a Presales Concierge 11:18 Presales culture 14:00 Working at the top of your diploma 17:10 How do you justify this 21:38 As focused as an F1 team 23:32 AI and the Pursuit Desk Key Topics Covered The Pursuit Desk Concept Functions as a presales concierge handling non-customer-facing tasks Manages RFPs, InfoSec documents, NDAs, reference coordination Creates centralized control over messaging and responses Operates on a global scale with cultural sensitivity Operating at the Top of Your License Focus on discovery, creative thinking, empathetic listening, and presenting solutions Eliminate time spent on administrative tasks that don't require SE expertise Reduce context switching and multitasking to maintain flow Maximize value delivery to customers and the organization Building the Business Case Find an executive sponsor to champion the initiative Measure impact through deal win rates and velocity Consider creative budget reallocation (travel budgets, etc.) Calculate ROI based on SE productivity and reduced burnout The Role of AI in Pursuit Operations AI handles first-pass RFP responses (80% completion) Pursuit desk personalizes and adds empathy (final 20%) Machine learning analyzes past deals for pattern recognition Go/no-go scorecards based on historical data Enables scaling without proportional headcount increases Presales Culture and Values Building trust through technical expertise and genuine personality Being a "chameleon" who adapts to different buyer needs Creating an environment where people feel welcomed and valued Mentorship and knowledge sharing across teams Preventing Burnout Eliminating nights and weekends spent on RFPs Reducing stress through better task distribution Enabling SEs to focus on work they're passionate about Creating sustainable workloads that retain top talent Measuring Success Tracking time spent on each RFP or pursuit activity Correlating effort to win-loss rates Building audit trails for continuous improvement Creating dashboards for data-driven decision making  

Send us a textJoin hosts Alex Sarlin and Ben Kornell as they dive into the latest headlines shaping the future of education technology, from AI tutors and Gallup polls to new VR career pathways and the impact of phone bans in schools. ✨ Episode Highlights: [00:03:38] Mashable compares AI tutors from OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic[00:10:45] Gallup poll shows confidence in K-12 at all-time low [00:15:48] CZI launches Learning Commons open-source AI infrastructure [00:20:41] CZI + Anthropic partnership expands AI tools for edtech [00:23:31] Kahoot unveils new AI-powered study tools [00:26:26] Phone bans spread in U.S. schools with positive results [00:29:53] Higher ed faces declining international applications and demographic cliff Plus, special guests: [00:36:24] Nick Chen, Founder of PlayMath.org, on educational gaming and product lessons [01:00:40] Jamie Candee, CEO of Edmentum, on career pathways, durable skills, and VR workforce prep 

Send us a textIn this special episode, we spotlight the Global EdTech Prize 2025 with founder Vikas Pota of T4 Education and six inspiring finalists from around the world.

Each episode on Unstoppable Mindset I ask all of you and my guests to feel free to introduce me to others who would be good guests on our podcast. Our guest this time, Erin Edgar, is a guest introduced to me by a past podcast guest, Rob Wentz. Rob told me that Erin is inspirational and would be interesting and that she would have a lot to offer you, our audience. Rob was right on all counts. Erin Edgar was born blind. Her parents adopted an attitude that would raise their daughter with a positive attitude about herself. She was encouraged and when barriers were put in her way as a youth, her parents helped her fight to be able to participate and thrive. For a time, she attended the Indiana School for the Blind. Her family moved to Georgia where Erin attended high school. After high school, Erin wanted to go to college where she felt there would be a supportive program that would welcome her on campus. She attended the University of North Carolina at Chapple Hill. After graduating she decided to continue at UNC where she wanted to study law. The same program that gave her so much assistance during her undergraduate days was not able to provide the same services to Erin the graduate student. Even so, Erin had learned how to live, survive and obtain what she needed to go through the law program. After she received her law degree Erin began to do what she always wanted to do: She wanted to use the law to help people. So, she worked in programs such as Legal Aid in North Carolina and she also spent time as a mediator. She will describe all that for us. Like a number of people, when the pandemic began, she decided to pivot and start her own law firm. She focuses on estate planning. We have a good discussion about topics such as the differences between a will and a living trust. Erin offers many relevant and poignant thoughts and words of advice we all can find helpful. Erin is unstoppable by any standard as you will see. About the Guest: Erin Edgar, Esq., is a caring, heart-centered attorney, inspirational speaker and vocal artist. She loves helping clients: -- Plan for the future of their lives and businesses, ensuring that they have the support they need and helping them find ways to provide for their loved ones upon death. --Ensure that the leave a legacy of love and reflect client values -- Find creative ways that allow them to impact the world with a lasting legacy. She is passionate about connecting with clients on a heart level. She loves witnessing her clients as she guides them to transform their intentions for their loved ones into a lasting legacy through the estate planning process. Erin speaks about ways to meld proven legal tools, strategies, and customization with the creative process to design legal solutions that give people peace of mind, clarity, and the assurance that their loved ones will be taken care of, and the world will be left a better place Ways to connect with Erin: Facebook: https://facebook.com/erin-edgar-legal LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/erinedgar About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below! 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Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Hi everyone, and welcome to another edition of unstoppable mindset. We're glad that you're here with us, wherever you may be. Hope the day is going well, and we have Erin Edgar on our episode today. Edgar is a very interesting person in a lot of ways. She's a caring, heart centered attorney. She is also an inspirational speaker and a vocal artist. I'm not sure whether vocal artistry comes into play when she's in the courtroom, but we won't worry about that too much. I assume that you don't sing to your judges when you're trying to deal with something. But anyway, I'll let her answer that. I'm just trying to cause trouble, but Erin again. We're really glad you're with us. We really appreciate you being here, and I know you do a lot with estate planning and other kinds of things that'll be fun to talk about. So welcome to unstoppable mindset.   Erin Edgar ** 02:14 Thank you, Michael. It's great to be here, and I haven't sung in a courtroom or a courthouse yet, but I wouldn't rule it out.   Michael Hingson ** 02:23 I have someone who I know who also has a guide dog and his diet. His guide dog, it's been a while since I've seen him, but his guide dog tended to be very vocal, especially at unexpected times, and he said that occasionally happened in the courtroom, which really busted up the place. Oh, dear.   Erin Edgar ** 02:45 I imagine that would draw some smiles, hopefully, smiles.   Michael Hingson ** 02:48 Well, they were, yeah, do you, do you appear in court much?   Erin Edgar ** 02:53 Um, no, the type of law that I practice, I'm usually, I don't think I've ever appeared in court after I've written people's wills, but I have done previous things where I was in court mediating disputes, which is a kind of a separate thing that I used to do, so I've been in court just not recently. Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 03:17 Well, that's understandable. Well, let's start a little bit with the early Erin and growing up and all that sort of stuff. Tell us about that? Sure.   Erin Edgar ** 03:26 So I was born in cold, gray Indiana, and, yeah, chilly in the wintertime, and I started out I was blind from birth, so my parents thought it would be a good idea to send me to the school for the blind for a while. And back when I was born, um, teen years ago, they did not mainstream visually impaired and disabled students in that state, so you went where you could, and I was at the blind school for until I reached third grade, and then we moved to Georgia, and I've been in the south ever since I live in North Carolina now, and I started going to public schools in fourth grade, and continued on that route all the way up through high school.   Michael Hingson ** 04:21 Oh, okay. And so then, what did you do?   Erin Edgar ** 04:29 So after, after that, I, you know, I was one of those high school students. I really wanted to get out of dodge and leave my high school behind. I went visiting a couple of colleges in Georgia, and I said to my parents, I said, I really don't like this. It's like going to high school again. Literally, I was meeting people I had been in high school with, and I decided, and was very grateful that my parents. Were able to rig it some way so that I could go to an out of state school. And I went to UNC Chapel Hill here in North Carolina, Tar Heels all the way. And I was there for undergrad. And then I got into law school there as well, which I was very excited about, because I didn't have to go anywhere, and graduated from law school again a while ago in the early 2000s   Michael Hingson ** 05:31 Okay, and so then you went straight into law from that.   Erin Edgar ** 05:37 I didn't I did some other things before I actually went into law itself. I worked with some local advocacy organizations, and I also mediated, as I said earlier, I did mediations with the county court, helping mediate criminal disputes. And we're talking about like things with you get in a dispute with your neighbor and you yell at each other, those kind of People's Court type things. They were fun and interesting. And then I did go into law. After that, I started working with Legal Aid of North Carolina, which is a an organization that helps people in poverty who cannot afford a lawyer to go and have have their options communicated to them and some help given to them regarding their public benefits or certain other, you know, public things that we could help with we weren't able to help with any personal injury, or, you know, any of the fun stuff you see on TV. So and then, when the pandemic hit, I started my own law practice and completely changed gears and went into writing estate plans and wills for a living.   Michael Hingson ** 07:07 Do you think that your time doing mediation work and so on taught you a lot about humanity and human nature and people?   Erin Edgar ** 07:16 It did. I bet it did. It was invaluable, actually, in that area taught me a lot about, I don't know necessarily, about human nature. However, it did teach me a lot about how to talk to people who were on different pages. You know, they had, perhaps, values and principles that weren't quite the same, where they had a different way of looking at the same exact situation, and how to bring those those people together and allow them to connect on a deeper level, rather than the argument we're able to get them to agree to kind of move forward from that, so nobody has to be found guilty, right? And you know a judge doesn't have and you don't have to drag a criminal conviction around with you. I think the most rewarding cases that I had, by far were the education cases. Because I don't know if anyone knows this, but in most states, in the United States, if you don't send your kids to school, you are guilty of a crime. It's called truancy, and you can be arrested. Well, the county that I live in was very forward thinking, and the school system and the court said, that's kind of dumb. We don't want to arrest parents if their kids aren't going to school, there's something behind it. You know, there the school is not providing what the child needs. The child's acting out for some reason, and we need to get to the bottom of it. So what they did was they set up a process whereby we come in as neutral observers. We did not work for the court. We were part of a separate organization, and have a school social worker there or counselor, and also have a parent there, and they could talk through the issues. And in a lot of cases, if the children were old enough, they were teenagers, they were there, and they could talk about it from their perspective. And truly amazing things came out of those situations. We could just we would discover that the children had a behavioral issue or even a disability that had not been recognized, and were able to come up with plans to address that with you know, or the school was with our help,   Michael Hingson ** 09:42 going back a little bit, how did your parents deal with the fact that you were blind? I gather it was a fairly positive experience   Erin Edgar ** 09:50 for me. It was positive. I was so fortunate, and I'm still so grateful to this day for having parents who you. I were very forward thinking, and advocated for me to have and do whatever, not whatever I wanted, because I was far from spoiled, but, you know, whatever, yeah, yeah, you know. But whatever, however I wanted to be successful, they advocated for me. And so my mother actually told me, you know, when I was born, they went through all the parent things like, oh, gosh, what did we do wrong? You know, why is God punishing us? You know, all that. And they, very early on, found support groups for, you know, parents with children with either blindness or disabilities of some sort, and that was a great source of help to them. And as I grew up, they made every effort to ensure that I had people who could teach me, if they couldn't, you know, how to interact with other children. I think, for a while when I was very little, and I actually kind of remember this, they hired an occupational therapist to come and teach me how to play with kids, because not only was I blind, but I was an only child, so I didn't have brothers and sisters to interact with, and that whole play thing was kind of a mystery to me, and I remember it sort of vaguely, but that's just A demonstration that they wanted me to have the best life possible and to be fully integrated into the sighted world as much as possible. So when I was at the blind school, and I was in this residential environment, and there was an added bonus that my parents didn't really weren't happy in their jobs either, and they weren't happy with the education I was getting, that they decided, well, we're just going to pick up and move and that was, quite frankly, as I look back on it now, a huge risk for them. And they did it, you know, 50% for me and 50% for them, maybe even 6040, but as I look back on it now, it's another demonstration of how supportive they were, and all the way through my school age years, were very active in ensuring that I had everything that I needed and that I had the support that I needed.   Michael Hingson ** 12:19 That's cool. How did it go when you went to college at UNC?   Erin Edgar ** 12:25 Yeah, that's an interesting question, a very good question.   Michael Hingson ** 12:29 You didn't play basketball, I assume? Oh no, I figured you had other things to do.   Erin Edgar ** 12:33 Yeah, I had other stuff to do. I sang in the choir and sang with the medieval chorus group, and, you know, all this other, like, musical geek, geeky stuff. But, or, and when we were looking for colleges and universities, one of the criteria was they had to have a solid kind of, like disability, slash visually impaired center, or, you know, support staff that would help in, you know, allow people with disabilities to go through the university. So at UNC Chapel Hill, the they had as part of their student affairs department Disability Services, and it just so happened that they were very aware of accommodations that blind people needed. I wasn't the first blind student to go through undergrad there. That's not law school, that's undergrad. And so you know, how much was it? Time and a half on on tests if I was doing them on the computer, double time if I was doing them in Braille. A lot of the tests were in Braille because they had the technology to do it. And also the gentleman who ran the Disability Services Department, I think, knew Braille, if I'm not mistaken, and could transcribe if necessary. But I was at the stage at that point where I was typing most of my exams anyway, and didn't need much that was in Braille, because I had books either electronically or they had a network of folks in the community that would volunteer to read if there was not, you know, available textbooks from RFD, and what is it, RFP and D? Now was at the time, yeah, now Learning Ally, there wasn't a Bookshare at that time, so we couldn't use Bookshare, but if there weren't textbooks available, they would have people in the community who would read them for them, and they would get paid a little bit. Now, when I went to law school, it was a totally different ball game, because I was the first law student who was blind, that UNC Chapel Hill had had, and it was a different school within the school, so that student affairs department was not part of law school anymore, and we had quite a time the first semester getting my book. Works in a format that I could read them in. They did eventually, kind of broker a deal, if you will, with the publishers who were either Thompson Reuters or Westlaw at the time to get electronic versions. They were floppy disks. This is how old I am. Floppy disks. They were in this weird format. I think it was word perfect or something. Usually it was, and they   Michael Hingson ** 15:27 didn't really have a lot of them new or no, they didn't know now, newer publishing system,   Erin Edgar ** 15:32 yeah, there wasn't PDF even, I don't think, at the time. And the agreement was I could get those, and I actually had to buy the print textbooks as well. So I have this whole bookcase of law books that are virgin, unopened, almost. And they are, you know, some of them almost 25 years old, never been opened and of no use to anyone. But I have them, and they look nice sitting down there in that bookshelf antiques books. They're antiques. So the first year was a little rough, because for a while I didn't have books, and we were able to make arrangements so that I could kind of make up some classes on a later year and switch things around a little bit. And it ended up all working out really well once we got started.   Michael Hingson ** 16:16 Yeah, I remember when I was going through getting my bachelor's and master's in physics, I needed the books in braille because, well, it's the only way to be able to really deal with the subject. You can't do it nearly as well from recordings, although now there's a little bit better capability through recording, because we have the DayZ format and so on. But still, it's not the same as reading it in Braille and for mathematics and physics and so on. I think that the only way to really do it is in Braille. And we had challenges because professors didn't want to decide what books to use until the last minute, because then, oh, a new book might be coming out and we want to get the latest book, and that didn't work for me, right? Because I had a network that I, in part, I developed with the Department of Rehabilitation out here, helped our office for disabled students didn't really have the resources to know it. They were very supportive. They just didn't really deal with it. But the bottom line is that we had to develop, I had to develop the network of transcribers, but they needed three to six months to do the books, at least three months and and sometimes I would get them one or two volumes at a time, and they barely kept ahead of the class. But, you know, it worked, but professors resisted it. And my the person who ran the Office for Students with Disabilities, said, Look, you have to work on these things, but if you're not getting cooperation from professors, and you come and tell me, and I will use the power of this office to get you what you need, there's another thing you might consider doing, she said. And I said, What's that? And Jan said, Go meet the chancellor. Make friends, yeah, friends in high places. And so I did. And Dan, oh, there you go. Became pretty good friends over the years, which was pretty cool,   Erin Edgar ** 18:15 you know, it was weird because we didn't, I didn't have that problem with the professors. They were, you know, I had a couple of old codgers, but they weren't really worried about the books. They were fine with me having the books, but it was the publishers. The publishers were irritated that that I needed them, and, you know, in an alternative format. And I didn't really, I was not. I was one of those people that if someone said they were going to do something for me, I kind of let people do it. And at the time, I was really not an advocate, advocator for myself, at that time, a very good self advocate. And so I kind of let the school interface with that. I think it would have been really interesting, if I look back on it, for me to have taken a hand in that. And I wonder what would have happened well, and at this point, you know, it's neither here nor there, but that's really fascinating. Making Friends with the chancellor, sometimes you have to do stuff like that   Michael Hingson ** 19:15 well. And the idea was really to get to know Him. And what there was, well, obviously other motivations, like, if we needed to go to a higher court to get help, we could go to the chancellor. I never had to do that, but, but the reason for meeting him and getting to know him was really just to do it and to have fun doing it. So we did,   Erin Edgar ** 19:36 yeah, and I kind of had a comparable experience. I met the Dean of the Law School for that very reason. And he said, you know, if you've got trouble, come to me, my parents got involved a little bit. And we all, you know, met together and maybe even separately at some points just to make sure that I had everything that I needed at various times. Mm. Yeah, and I made friends with the some of the assistant deans at the law school, in particular because of the situation, and one of whom was the Dean of the Law School Student Affairs, who was helping me to get what I needed. And for a while, when I was in law school and beyond. He was like, We lent books to each other. It was very funny. We found out we had the same reading tastes beyond law books. It wasn't, you know, legal at all, but we were like, trading books and things. So a lot of really good relationships came out of that.   Michael Hingson ** 20:37 And I think that's extremely important to to do. And I think that's one of the things that that offices for students with disabilities that tend to want to do everything for you. I think that's one of the things that it's a problem with those offices, because if you don't learn to do them, and if you don't learn to do them in college, how are you going to be able to be able to really act independently and as an advocate after college, so you have to learn that stuff   Erin Edgar ** 21:05 Absolutely. That's a very good point.   Michael Hingson ** 21:09 So I, I think it was extremely important to do it, and we did, and had a lot of fun doing it. So it was, was good. What are some of the biggest misconceptions you think that people had about you as a blind child growing up?   Erin Edgar ** 21:25 Oh yeah, that's a great question. I think that one of the biggest misconceptions that people had about me, especially when I was younger, is that I would know I would be sort of relegated to staying at home with parents all of my life, or being a stay at home parent and not able to be kind of professionally employed and earning, you know, earning a living wage. Now, I have my own business, and that's where most of my money goes at the same at this point. So, you know, earning a living wage might be up in the air at the moment. Ha, ha. But the the one thing I think that the biggest misconception that people had, and this is even like teachers at the blind school, it was very rare for blind children of my age to grow up and be, you know, professionals in, I don't want to say high places, but like people able to support themselves without a government benefit backing them up. And it was kind of always assumed that we would be in that category, that we would be less able than our sighted peers to do that. And so that was a huge misconception, even you know, in the school that I was attending. I think that was the, really the main one and one misconception that I had then and still have today, is that if I'm blind, I can't speak for myself. This still happens today. For instance, if I'm if I want, if I'm going somewhere and I just happen to be with someone sighted, they will talk whoever I'm, wherever I'm at, they will talk to the sighted person, right? They won't talk to you. They won't talk to me. And so, for instance, simple example, if I'm somewhere with my husband, and we happen to be walking together and we go somewhere that I need to go, they will talk to him because he's guiding me, and they won't talk. And he's like, don't talk to me. I have no idea, you know, talk to her, and part of that is I'm half a step behind him. People naturally gravitate to the people that are leading. However, I noticed, even when I was a young adult, and I would go, you know, to the doctor, and I would be with my my parents, like, maybe I'm visiting them, and I need to go to the doctor, they would talk to them and not me, yeah, which is kind of sad. And I think it happens a lot, a lot more than people realize.   Michael Hingson ** 24:10 Yeah, it does. And one of my favorite stories is, is this, I got married in 1982 and my wife has always been, or had always been. She passed away in 2022 but she was always in a wheelchair. And we went to a restaurant one Saturday for breakfast. We were standing at the counter waiting to be seated, and the hostess was behind the counter, and nothing was happening. And finally, Karen said to me, she doesn't know who to talk to, you know? Because Karen, of course, is, is in a wheelchair, so actually, she's clearly shorter than this, this person behind the counter, and then there's me and and, of course, I'm not making eye contact, and so Karen just said she doesn't know who to talk to. I said, you know? All she's gotta do is ask us where we would like to sit or if we'd like to have breakfast, and we can make it work. Well, she she got the message, and she did, and the rest of the the day went fine, but that was really kind of funny, that we had two of us, and she just didn't know how to deal with either of us, which was kind of cute. Mm, hmm. Well, you know, it brings up another question. You use the term earlier, visually impaired. There's been a lot of effort over the years. A lot of the professionals, if you will, created this whole terminology of visually impaired, and they say, well, you're blind or you're visually impaired. And visually impaired means you're not totally blind, but, but you're still visually impaired. And finally, blind people, I think, are starting to realize what people who are deaf learned a long time ago, and that is that if you take take a deaf person and you refer to them as hearing impaired, there's no telling what they might do to you, because they recognize that impaired is not true and they shouldn't be equated with people who have all of their hearing. So it's deaf or hard of hearing, which is a whole lot less of an antagonistic sort of concept than hearing impaired. We're starting to get blind people, and not everyone's there yet, and we're starting to get agencies, and not every agency is there yet, to recognize that it's blind or low vision, as opposed to blind or here or visually impaired, visually impaired. What do you think about that? How does and how does that contribute to the attitudes that people had toward you?   Erin Edgar ** 26:38 Yeah, so when I was growing up, I was handicapped, yeah, there was that too, yeah, yeah, that I was never fond of that, and my mother softened it for me, saying, well, we all have our handicaps or shortcomings, you know, and but it was really, what was meant was you had Something that really held you back. I actually, I say, this is so odd. I always, I usually say I'm totally blind. Because when I say blind, the immediate question people have is, how blind are you? Yeah, which gets back to stuff, yeah, yeah. If you're blind, my opinion, if you're blind, you're you're blind, and if you have low vision, you have partial sight. And visually impaired used to be the term, you know, when I was younger, that people use, and that's still a lot. It's still used a lot, and I will use it occasionally, generally. I think that partially sighted, I have partial vision is, is what I've heard people use. That's what, how my husband refers to himself. Low Vision is also, you know, all those terms are much less pejorative than actually being impaired,   Michael Hingson ** 27:56 right? That's kind of really the issue, yeah. My, my favorite example of all of this is a past president of the National Federation of the Blind, Ken Jernigan, you've heard of him, I assume, Oh, sure. He created a document once called a definition of blindness, and his definition, he goes through and discusses various conditions, and he asks people if, if you meet these conditions, are you blind or not? But then what he eventually does is he comes up with a definition, and his definition, which I really like, is you are blind if your eyesight has decreased to the point where you have to use alternatives to full eyesight in order to function, which takes into account totally blind and partially blind people. Because the reality is that most of those people who are low vision will probably, or they may probably, lose the rest of their eyesight. And the agencies have worked so hard to tell them, just use your eyesight as best you can. And you know you may need to use a cane, but use your eyesight as best you can, and if you go blind, then we're going to have to teach you all over again, rather than starting by saying blindness is really okay. And the reality is that if you learn the techniques now, then you can use the best of all worlds.   Erin Edgar ** 29:26 I would agree with that. I would also say you should, you know, people should use what they have. Yeah, using everything you have is okay. And I think there's a lot of a lot of good to be said for learning the alternatives while you're still able to rely on something else.   Michael Hingson ** 29:49 Point taken exactly you know, because   Erin Edgar ** 29:53 as you age, you get more and more in the habit of doing things one way, and it's. Very hard to break out of that. And if you haven't learned an alternative, there's nothing you feel like. There's nothing to fall back on, right? And it's even harder because now you're in the situation of urgency where you feel like you're missing something and you're having to learn something new, whereas if you already knew it and knew different ways to rely on things you would be just like picking a memory back up, rather than having to learn something new. Well, I've never been in that position, so I can't say, but in the abstract, I think that's a good definition.   Michael Hingson ** 30:34 Well, there are a lot of examples, like, take a person who has some eyesight, and they're not encouraged to use a cane. And I know someone who was in this situation. I think I've told the story on this podcast, but he lived in New Jersey and was travel. And traveled every day from New Jersey into Philadelphia to work, and he was on a reasonably cloudy day, was walking along. He had been given a cane by the New Jersey Commission for the Blind, but he they didn't really stress the value of using it. And so he was walking along the train to go in, and he came to the place where he could turn in and go into the car. And he did, and promptly fell between two cars because he wasn't at the right place. And then the train actually started to move, but they got it stopped, and so he was okay, but as as he tells the story, he certainly used his cane from then on. Because if he had been using the cane, even though he couldn't see it well because it was dark, or not dark, cloudy, he would have been able to see that he was not at the place where the car entrance was, but rather he was at the junction between two cars. And there's so many examples of that. There's so many reasons why it's important to learn the skills. Should a partially blind or a low vision person learn to read Braille? Well, depends on circumstances, of course, I think, to a degree, but the value of learning Braille is that you have an alternative to full print, especially if there's a likelihood that you're going to lose the rest of your eyesight. If you psychologically do it now, that's also going to psychologically help you prepare better for not having any eyesight later.   Erin Edgar ** 32:20 And of course, that leads to to blind children these days learn how to read, yeah, which is another issue.   Michael Hingson ** 32:28 Which is another issue because educators are not teaching Braille nearly as much as they should, and the literacy rate is so low. And the fact of the matter is even with George Kircher, who invented the whole DAISY format and and all the things that you can do with the published books and so on. The reality is there is still something to be said for learning braille. You don't have sighted children just watching television all the time, although sometimes my parents think they do, but, but the point is that they learn to read, and there's a value of really learning to read. I've been in an audience where a blind speaker was delivering a speech, and he didn't know or use Braille. He had a device that was, I think what he actually used was a, was, it was a Victor Reader Stream, which is   Erin Edgar ** 33:24 one of those, right?   Michael Hingson ** 33:25 I think it was that it may have been something else, but the bottom line is, he had his speech written out, and he would play it through earphones, and then he would verbalize his speech. Oh, no, that's just mess me up. Oh, it would. It was very disjointed and and I think that for me, personally, I read Braille pretty well, but I don't like to read speeches at all. I want to engage the audience, and so it's really important to truly speak with the audience and not read or do any of those other kinds of things.   Erin Edgar ** 33:57 I would agree. Now I do have a Braille display that I, I use, and, you know, I do use it for speeches. However, I don't put the whole speech on   Michael Hingson ** 34:10 there that I me too. I have one, and I use it for, I know, I have notes. Mm, hmm,   Erin Edgar ** 34:16 notes, yeah. And so I feel like Braille, especially for math. You know, when you said math and physics, like, Yeah, I can't imagine doing math without Braille. That just doesn't, you know, I can't imagine it, and especially in, you know, geometry and trigonometry with those diagrams. I don't know how you would do it without a Braille textbook, but yeah, there. There's certainly something to be said for for the the wonderful navigation abilities with, you know, e published audio DAISY books. However, it's not a substitute for knowing how to   Michael Hingson ** 34:55 read. Well, how are you going to learn to spell? How are you going to really learn sit? Structure, how are you going to learn any of those basic skills that sighted kids get if you don't use Braille? Absolutely, I think that that's one of the arenas where the educational system, to a large degree, does such a great disservice to blind kids because it won't teach them Braille.   Erin Edgar ** 35:16 Agreed, agreed. Well, thank you for this wonderful spin down Braille, Braille reading lane here. That was fun.   Michael Hingson ** 35:27 Well, so getting back to you a little bit, you must have thought or realized that probably when you went into law, you were going to face some challenges. But what was the defining moment that made you decide you're going to go into law, and what kind of challenges have you faced? If you face challenges, my making an assumption, but you know what?   Erin Edgar ** 35:45 Oh, sure. So the defining moment when I decided I wanted to go into law. It was a very interesting time for me. I was teenager. Don't know exactly how old I was, but I think I was in high school, and I had gone through a long period where I wanted to, like, be a music major and go into piano and voice and be a performer in those arenas, and get a, you know, high level degree whatnot. And then I began having this began becoming very interested in watching the Star Trek television series. Primarily I was out at the time the next generation, and I was always fascinated by the way that these people would find these civilizations on these planets, and they would be at odds in the beginning, and they would be at each other's throats, and then by the end of the day, they were all kind of   Michael Hingson ** 36:43 liking each other. And John Luke Picard didn't play a flute,   Erin Edgar ** 36:47 yes, and he also turned into a Borg, which was traumatic for me. I had to rate local summer to figure out what would happen. I was in I was in trauma. Anyway, my my father and I bonded over that show. It was, it was a wonderful sort of father daughter thing. We did it every weekend. And I was always fascinated by, like, the whole, the whole aspect of different ideologies coming together. And it always seemed to me that that's what human humanity should be about. As I, you know, got older, I thought, how could I be involved in helping people come together? Oh, let's go into law. Because, you know, our government's really good at that. That was the high school student in me. And I thought at the time, I wanted to go into the Foreign Service and work in the international field and help, you know, on a net, on a you know, foreign policy level. I quickly got into law school and realized two things simultaneously in my second year, international law was very boring, and there were plenty of problems in my local community that I could help solve, like, why work on the international stage when people in my local community are suffering in some degree with something and so I completely changed my focus to wanting to work in an area where I could bring people together and work for, you know, work on an individualized level. And as I went into the legal field, that was, it was part of the reason I went into the mediation, because that was one of the things that we did, was helping people come together. I realized, though, as I became a lawyer and actually started working in the field, most of the legal system is not based on that. It's based on who has the best argument. I wanted no part of that. Yeah, I want no part of that at all. I want to bring people together. Still, the Star Trek mentality is working here, and so when I when I started my own law firm, my immediate question to myself was, how can I now that I'm out doing my own thing, actually bring people together? And the answer that I got was help families come together, especially people thinking about their end of life decisions and gathering their support team around them. Who they want to help them? If they are ever in a situation where they become ill and they can't manage their affairs, or if you know upon their death, who do they want to help them and support them. And how can I use the law to allow that to happen? And so that's how I am working, to use the law for healing and bringing people together, rather than rather than winning an argument.   Michael Hingson ** 39:59 Yeah. Yeah, well, and I think there's a lot of merit to that. I I value the law a great deal, and I I am not an attorney or anything like that, but I have worked in the world of legislation, and I've worked in the world of dealing with helping to get legislation passed and and interacting with lawyers. And my wife and I worked with an attorney to set up our our trust, and then couple of years ago, I redid it after she passed away. And so I think that there was a lot of a lot of work that attorneys do that is extremely important. Yeah, there are, there are attorneys that were always dealing with the best arguments, and probably for me, the most vivid example of that, because it was so captivating when it happened, was the whole OJ trial back in the 1990s we were at a county fair, and we had left going home and turned on the radio, only To hear that the police were following OJ, and they finally arrested him. And then when the trial occurred, we while I was working at a company, and had a radio, and people would would come around, and we just had the radio on, and followed the whole trial. And it was interesting to see all the manipulation and all the movement, and you're right. It came down to who had the best argument, right or wrong?   Erin Edgar ** 41:25 The bloody glove. If it doesn't fit, you must acquit. Yeah, yep, I remember that. I remember where I was when they arrested him, too. I was at my grandparents house, and we were watching it on TV. My grandfather was captivated by the whole thing. But yes, there's certainly, you know, some manipulation. There's also, there are also lawyers who do a lot of good and a lot of wonderful things. And in reality, you know, most cases don't go to trial. They're settled in some way. And so, you know, there isn't always, you know, who has the best argument. It's not always about that, right? And at the same time, that is, you know, what the system is based on, to some extent. And really, when our country was founded, our founding fathers were a bunch of, like, acted in a lot of ways, like a bunch of children. If you read books on, you know, the Constitution, it was, it was all about, you know, I want this in here, and I want that in here. And, you know, a lot of argument around that, which, of course, is to be expected. And many of them did not expect our country's government to last beyond their lifetimes. Uh, James Madison was the exception, but all the others were like, Ed's going to fail. And yet, I am very, very proud to be a lawyer in this country, because while it's not perfect, our founding documents actually have a lot of flexibility and how and can be interpreted to fit modern times, which is, I think the beauty of them and exactly what the Founders intended for.   Michael Hingson ** 43:15 Yeah, and I do think that some people are taking advantage of that and causing some challenges, but that's also part of our country and part of our government. I like something Jimmy Carter once said, which was, we must adjust to changing times while holding to unwavering principles. And I think absolutely that's the part that I think sometimes is occasionally being lost, that we forget those principles, or we want to manipulate the principles and make them something that they're not. But he was absolutely right. That is what we need to do, and we can adjust to changing times without sacrificing principles. Absolutely.   Erin Edgar ** 43:55 I firmly believe that, and I would like to kind of turn it back to what we were talking about before, because you actually asked me, What are some challenges that I have faced, and if it's okay with you, I would like to get back to that. Oh, sure. Okay. Well, so I have faced some challenges for you know, to a large extent, though I was very well accommodated. I mean, the one challenge with the books that was challenging when I took the bar exam, oh, horror of horrors. It was a multiple, multiple shot deal, but it finally got done. However, it was not, you know, my failing to pass the first time or times was not the fault of the actual board of law examiners. They were very accommodating. I had to advocate for myself a little bit, and I also had to jump through some hoops. For example, I had to bring my own person to bubble in my responses on the multiple choice part, it. And bring my own person in to kind of monitor me while I did the essay portion. But they allowed me to have a computer, they allowed me to have, you know, the screen reader. They allowed me to have time and a half to do the the exam. And so we're accommodating in that way. And so no real challenges there. You know, some hoops to jump through. But it got all worked out.   Michael Hingson ** 45:23 And even so, some of that came about because blind people actually had to go all the way to the Supreme Court. Yes, the bar to the Bar Association to recognize that those things needed to be that way,   Erin Edgar ** 45:37 absolutely. And so, you know, I was lucky to come into this at a time where that had already been kind of like pre done for me. I didn't have to deal with that as a challenge. And so the only other challenges I had, some of them, were mine, like, you know, who's going to want to hire this blind person? Had a little bit of, you know, kind of challenge there, with that mindset issue for a while there, and I did have some challenges when I was looking for employment after I'd worked for legal aid for a while, and I wanted to move on and do something else. And I knew I didn't want to work for a big, big firm, and I would, I was talking to some small law firms about hiring me, small to mid size firms. And I would get the question of, well, you're blind, so what kind of accommodations do you need? And we would talk about, you know, computer, special software to make a talk, you know, those kinds of things. And it always ended up that, you know, someone else was hired. And I can, you know, I don't have proof that the blindness and the hesitancy around hiring a disabled person or a blind person was in back of that decision. And at the same time, I had the sense that there was some hesitation there as well, so that, you know, was a bit of a challenge, and starting my own law firm was its own challenge, because I had to experiment with several different software systems to Find one that was accessible enough for me to use. And the system I'm thinking about in particular, I wouldn't use any other system, and yet, I'm using practically the most expensive estate planning drafting system out there, because it happens to be the most accessible. It's also the most expensive. Always that. There's always that. And what's it called? I'm curious. It's called wealth Council, okay, wealth. And then the word councils, Council, SEL, and it's wonderful. And the folks there are very responsive. If I say something's not accessible, I mean, they have fixed things for me in the past. Isn't that great? And complain, isn't that wonderful? It is wonderful. And that's, that's awesome. I had a CRM experience with a couple of different like legal CRM software. I used one for a while, and it was okay. But then, you know, everyone else said this other one was better and it was actually less accessible. So I went back to the previous one, you know. So I have to do a lot of my own testing, which is kind of a challenge in and of itself. I don't have people testing software for me. I have to experiment and test and in some cases, pay for something for a while before I realize it's not, you know, not worth it. But now I have those challenges pretty much ironed out. And I have a paralegal who helps me do some things that, like she proof reads my documents, for instance, because otherwise there may be formatting things that I'm not, that I miss. And so I have the ability to have cited assistance with things that I can't necessarily do myself, which is, you know, absolutely fine,   Michael Hingson ** 49:04 yeah. Now, do you use Lexus? Is it accessible?   Erin Edgar ** 49:08 I don't need Lexus, yeah, yeah. I mean, I have, I'm a member of the Bar Association, of my, my state bar association, which is not, not voluntary. It's mandatory. But I'm a member primarily because they have a search, a legal search engine that they work with that we get for free. I mean, with our members, there you go. So there you go. So I don't need Lexus or West Law or any of those other search engines for what I do. And if I was, like, really into litigation and going to court all time and really doing deep research, I would need that. But I don't. I can use the one that they have, that we can use so and it's, it's a entirely web based system. It's fairly accessible   Michael Hingson ** 49:58 well, and. That makes it easier to as long as you've got people's ears absolutely make it accessible, which makes a lot of sense.   Erin Edgar ** 50:08 Yeah, it certainly does well.   Michael Hingson ** 50:10 So do you regard yourself as a resilient person? Has blindness impacted that or helped make that kind of more the case for you? Do you think I do resilience is such an overused term, but it's fair. I know   Erin Edgar ** 50:24 I mean resilience is is to my mind, a resilient person is able to face uh, challenges with a relatively positive outlook in and view a challenge as something to be to be worked through rather than overcome, and so yes, I do believe that blindness, in and of itself, has allowed me to find ways to adapt to situations and pivot in cases where, you know, I need to find an alternative to using a mouse. For instance, how would I do that? And so in other areas of life, I am, you know, because I'm blind, I'm able to more easily pivot into finding alternative solutions. I do believe that that that it has made me more resilient.   Michael Hingson ** 51:25 Do you think that being blind has caused you, and this is an individual thing, because I think that there are those who don't. But do you think that it's caused you to learn to listen better?   Erin Edgar ** 51:39 That's a good question, because I actually, I have a lot of sighted friends, and one of the things that people just assume is that, wow, you must be a really good listener. Well, my husband would tell you that's not always the case. Yeah. My wife said the same thing, yeah. You know, like everyone else, sometimes I hear what I want to hear in a conversation and at the same time, one of the things that I do tell people is that, because I'm blind, I do rely on other senses more, primarily hearing, I would say, and that hearing provides a lot of cues for me about my environment, and I've learned to be more skillful at it. So I, I would say that, yes, I am a good listener in terms of my environment, very sensitive to that in in my environment, in terms of active listening to conversations and being able to listen to what's behind what people say, which is another aspect of listening. I think that that is a skill that I've developed over time with conscious effort. I don't think I'm any better of a quote, unquote listener than anybody else. If I hadn't developed that primarily in in my mediation, when I was doing that, that was a huge thing for us, was to be able to listen, not actually to what people were saying, but what was behind what people were saying, right? And so I really consciously developed that skill during those years and took it with me into my legal practice, which is why I am very, very why I very much stress that I'm not only an attorney, but I'm also a counselor at law. That doesn't mean I'm a therapist, but it does mean I listen to what people say so that and what's behind what people say, so that with the ear towards providing them the legal solution that meets their needs as they describe them in their words.   Michael Hingson ** 53:47 Well, I think for me, I learned to listen, but it but it is an exercise, and it is something that you need to practice, and maybe I learned to do it a little bit better, because I was blind. For example, I learned to ride a bike, and you have to learn to listen to what's going on around you so you don't crash into cars. Oh, but I'd fall on my face. You can do it. But what I what I really did was, when I was I was working at a company, and was told that the job was going to be phased out because I wasn't a revenue producer, and the company was an engineering startup and had to bring in more revenue producers. And I was given the choice of going away or going into sales, which I had never done. And as I love to tell people, I lowered my standards and went from science to sales. But the reality is that that I think I've always and I think we all always sell in one way or another, but I also knew what the unemployment rate among employable blind people was and is, yeah, and so I went into sales with with no qualms. But there I really learned to listen. And and it was really a matter of of learning to commit, not just listen, but really learning to communicate with the people you work with. And I think that that I won't say blindness made me better, but what it did for me was it made me use the technologies like the telephone, perhaps more than some other people. And I did learn to listen better because I worked at it, not because I was blind, although they're related   Erin Edgar ** 55:30 exactly. Yeah, and I would say, I would 100% agree I worked at it. I mean, even when I was a child, I worked at listening to to become better at, kind of like analyzing my environment based on sounds that were in it. Yeah, I wouldn't have known. I mean, it's not a natural gift, as some people assume, yeah, it's something you practice and you have to work at. You get to work at.   Michael Hingson ** 55:55 Well, as I point out, there are people like SEAL Team Six, the Navy Seals and the Army Rangers and so on, who also practice using all of their senses, and they learn, in general, to become better at listening and other and other kinds of skills, because they have to to survive, but, but that's what we all do, is if we do it, right, we're learning it. It's not something that's just naturally there, right? I agree, which I think is important. So you're working in a lot of estate planning and so on. And I mentioned earlier that we it was back in 1995 we originally got one, and then it's now been updated, but we have a trust. What's the difference between having, like a trust and a will?   Erin Edgar ** 56:40 Well, that's interesting that you should ask. So A will is the minimum that pretty much, I would say everyone needs, even though 67% of people don't have one in the US. And it is pretty much what everyone needs. And it basically says, you know, I'm a, I'm a person of sound mind, and I know who is important to me and what I have that's important to me. And I wanted to go to these people who are important to me, and by the way, I want this other person to manage things after my death. They're also important to me and a trust, basically, there are multiple different kinds of trusts, huge numbers of different kinds. And the trust that you probably are referring to takes the will to kind of another level and provides more direction about about how to handle property and how how it's to be dealt with, not only after death, but also during your lifetime. And trusts are relatively most of them, like I said, there are different kinds, but they can be relatively flexible, and you can give more direction about how to handle that property than you can in a will, like, for instance, if you made an estate plan and your kids were young, well, I don't want my children to have access to this property until they're responsible adults. So maybe saying, in a trust until they're age 25 you can do that, whereas in a will, you it's more difficult to do that.   Michael Hingson ** 58:18 And a will, as I understand it, is a lot more easily contested than than a trust.   Erin Edgar ** 58:24 You know, it does depend, but yes, it is easily contested. That's not to say that if you have a trust, you don't need a will, which is a misconception that some, yeah, we have a will in our trust, right? And so, you know, you need the will for the court. Not everyone needs a trust. I would also venture to say that if you don't have a will on your death, the law has ideas about how your property should be distributed. So if you don't have a will, you know your property is not automatically going to go to the government as unclaimed, but if you don't have powers of attorney for your health care and your finance to help you out while you're alive, you run the risk of the A judge appointing someone you would not want to make your health care and financial decisions. And so I'm going to go off on a tangent here. But I do feel very strongly about this, even blind people who and disabled people who are, what did you call it earlier, the the employable blind community, but maybe they're not employed. They don't have a lot of   Michael Hingson ** 59:34 unemployed, unemployed, the unemployable blind people, employable   Erin Edgar ** 59:38 blind people, yes, you know, maybe they're not employed, they're on a government benefit. They don't have a lot of assets. Maybe they don't necessarily need that will. They don't have to have it. And at the same time, if they don't have those, those documents that allow people to manage their affairs during their lifetime. Um, who's going to do it? Yeah, who's going to do that? Yeah, you're giving up control of your body, right, potentially, to someone you would not want, just because you're thinking to yourself, well, I don't need a will, and nothing's going to happen to me. You're giving control of your body, perhaps, to someone you don't want. You're not taking charge of your life and and you are allowing doctors and hospitals and banks to perpetuate the belief that you are not an independent person, right? I'm very passionate about it. Excuse me, I'll get off my soapbox now. That's okay. Those are and and to a large extent, those power of attorney forms are free. You can download them from your state's website. Um, they're minimalistic. They're definitely, I don't use them because I don't like them for my state. But you can get you can use them, and you can have someone help you fill them out. You could sign them, and then look, you've made a decision about who's going to help you when you're not able to help yourself,   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:07 which is extremely important to do. And as I mentioned, we went all the way and have a trust, and we funded the trust, and everything is in the trust. But I think that is a better way to keep everything protected, and it does provide so much more direction for whoever becomes involved, when, when you decide to go elsewhere, then, as they put it, this mortal coil. Yes, I assume that the coil is mortal. I don't know.   Erin Edgar ** 1:01:37 Yeah, who knows? Um, and you know trusts are good for they're not just for the Uber wealthy, which is another misconception. Trust do some really good things. They keep your situation, they keep everything more or less private, like, you know, I said you need a will for the court. Well, the court has the will, and it most of the time. If you have a trust, it just says, I want it to go, I want my stuff to go into the Michael hingson Trust. I'm making that up, by the way, and I, you know, my trust just deals with the distribution, yeah, and so stuff doesn't get held up in court. The court doesn't have to know about all the assets that you own. It's not all public record. And that's a huge, you know, some people care. They don't want everyone to know their business. And when I tell people, you know, I can go on E courts today and pull up the estate of anyone that I want in North Carolina and find out what they owned if they didn't have a will, or if they just had a will. And people like, really, you can do that? Oh, absolutely, yeah. I don't need any fancy credentials. It's all a matter of public record. And if you have a trust that does not get put into the court record unless it's litigated, which you know, it does happen, but not often,   Michael Hingson ** 1:02:56 but I but again, I think that, you know, yeah, and I'm not one of those Uber wealthy people. But I have a house. We we used to have a wheelchair accessible van for Karen. I still have a car so that when I need to be driven somewhere, rather than using somebody else's vehicle, we use this and those are probably the two biggest assets, although I have a bank account with with some in it, not a lot, not nearly as much as Jack Benny, anyway. But anyway, the bottom line is, yeah, but the bottom line is that I think that the trust keeps everything a lot cleaner. And it makes perfect sense. Yep, it does. And I didn't even have to go to my general law firm that I usually use. Do we cheat them? Good, and how so it worked out really well. Hey, I watched the Marx Brothers. What can I say?   Erin Edgar ** 1:03:45 You watch the Marx Brothers? Of course.   Michael Hingson ** 1:03:49 Well, I want to thank you for being here. This has been a lot of fun, and I'm glad that we did it and that we also got to talk about the whole issue of wills and trusts and so on, which is, I think, important. So any last things that you'd like to say to people, and also, do you work with clients across the country or just in North Carolina?   Erin Edgar ** 1:04:06 So I work with clients in North Carolina, I will say that. And one last thing that I would like to say to people is that it's really important to build your support team. Whether you're blind, you know, have another disability, you need people to help you out on a day to day basis, or you decide that you want people to help you out. If you're unable to manage your affairs at some point in your life, it's very important to build that support team around you, and there is nothing wrong. You can be self reliant and still have people on your team yes to to be there for you, and that is very important. And there's absolutely no shame, and you're not relinquishing your independence by doing that. That. So today, I encourage everyone to start thinking about who's on your team. Do you want them on your team? Do you want different people on your team? And create a support team? However that looks like, whatever that looks like for you, that has people on it that you know, love and trust,   Michael Hingson ** 1:05:18 everybody should have a support team. I think there is no question, at least in my mind, about that. So good point. Well, if people want to maybe reach out to you, how do they do that?   Erin Edgar ** 1:05:29 Sure, so I am on the interwebs at Erin Edgar legal.com that's my website where you can learn more about my law firm and all the things that I do,   Michael Hingson ** 1:05:42 and Erin is E r i n, just Yes, say that Edgar, and   Erin Edgar ** 1:05:45 Edgar is like Edgar. Allan Poe, hopefully less scary, and you can find the contact information for me on the website. By Facebook, you can find me on Facebook occasionally as Erin Baker, Edgar, three separate words, that is my personal profile, or you can and Michael will have in the show notes the company page for my welcome as   Michael Hingson ** 1:06:11 well. Yeah. Well, thank you for being here, and I want to thank all of you for listening. This has been a fun episode. It's been great to have Erin on, love to hear your thoughts out there who have been listening to this today. Please let us know what you think. You're welcome to email me at Michael H i@accessibe.com M, I, C, H, A, E, L, H i at accessibe, A, C, C, E, S, S, i, b, e.com, or go to our podcast page, www, dot Michael hingson.com/podcast, I wherever you're listening, please give us a five star rating. We really appreciate getting good ratings from people and reading and getting to know what you think. If you know anyone who you think might be a good guest, you know some people you think ought to come on unstoppable mindset. Erin, of course, you as well. We would appreciate it if you'd give us an introduction, because we're always looking for more people to have come on and help us show everyone that we're all more unstoppable than we think we are, and that's really what it's all about, and what we want to do on the podcast. So hope that you'll all do that, and in the meanwhile, with all that, Erin, I want to thank you once more for being here and being with us today. This has been a lot of fun. 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Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn – 00:00 In this week’s In-Ear Insights, the multi-platinum, award-winning, record-setting—you name it. People love to talk about awards, particularly companies. We love to say we are an award-winning this, we’re an award-winning that. Authors say, “I’m a best-selling, award-winning book.” But Katie, you had a very interesting and provocative question: In today’s marketing landscape, do awards still matter? Katie Robbert – 00:27 And I still have that question. Also, let me back up a little bit. When I made the transition from working in more of an academic field to the public sector, I had a huge revelation—my eyes were open to how awards worked. Call it naive, call it I was sheltered from this side of the industry, but I didn’t know at the time that in order to win an award, you had to submit yourself for the award. I naively thought that you just do good work and you get nominated by someone who recognizes that you’re doing good work. That’s how awards work. Because in my naive brain, you do good work and they reward you for it. Katie Robbert – 01:16 And so here’s your award for being amazing. Speaker 3 – 01:18 And that is not at all that. Katie Robbert – 01:20 That’s not how any of the Emmys or the Grammys—they all… Speaker 3 – 01:24 Have to submit themselves. Katie Robbert – 01:25 I didn’t know that they have to choose the scene that they think is award-winning. Yes, it’s voted on by a jury of your peers, which is also perhaps problematic depending on who’s on the jury. There’s the whole—the whole thing just feels like one big scam. Katie Robbert – 01:46 That said, per usual, I’m an n of 1, and I know that in certain industries, the more awards and accolades you rack up and can put on your website, the more likely it is that people are going to hire you or your firm or buy your products because they’re award-winning. So that’s the human side of it. Part of what I’m wondering when I said, “Do awards matter?” I was really wondering about with people using generative AI to do searches. We got this question from a client earlier this week of when we’re looking at organic search, how much… Speaker 3 – 02:29 Of that traffic is coming from the different LLMs? Katie Robbert – 02:33 And so it just made me think: if people are only worried about if they’re showing up in the large language models, do awards matter? So that was a lot of preamble. That was a lot of pre-ramble, Chris. So, do awards matter in the age of LLMs? Christopher S. Penn – 02:55 I think that you’ve highlighted the two angles. One is the human angle. Awards very much matter to humans because it’s a heuristic. It’s a mental shortcut. The CMO says, “Go build me a short list of vendors in this case.” And what does the intern who usually is the one saddled with the job do? They Google for “award-winning vendor in X, Y or Z.” If they use generative AI and ChatGPT, they will very likely still say, “Build me a short list of award-winning whatevers in this thing because my CMO told me to.” And instead of them manually Googling, a tool like ChatGPT or Gemini will do the Googling for you. Christopher S. Penn – 03:33 But if that heuristic of “I need something that’s award-winning” is still part of your lexicon, part of the decision makers’ lexicon, and maybe even they don’t delegate to the intern anymore, maybe they set the deep research query themselves—say, “Give me a short list of award-winning marketing agencies”—then it still matters a lot. In the context of generative AI itself, I would argue that it actually matters more today. And here’s why: In things like the RACE framework and the Rappel framework and the many different prompt frameworks that we all use, the OpenAI Harmony framework, you name it. What do they always say? “Choose a role.” Christopher S. Penn – 04:15 “Choose a role with specifics like ‘you are an award-winning copywriter,’ ‘you are an award-winning this,’ ‘you are an award-winning that,’ ‘you are a Nobel Prize-winning this,’ ‘you are a CMI Content Marketing Award winner of this or that’ as part of the role in the prompt.” If you are that company that is ordering and you have provided ample evidence of that—when you win an award, you send out press releases, you put it on social media stuff—Trust Insights won the award for this. We are an award-winning so-and-so. That makes it into the training data. Christopher S. Penn – 04:46 And if someone invokes that phrase “award-winning consulting firm,” if we’ve done our job of seeding the LLMs with our award-winning language, just by nature of probability, we have a higher likelihood of our entities being invoked with association to that term. Katie Robbert – 05:09 It reminds me—this must have been almost two decades ago—I worked with a stakeholder who was a big fan of finding interesting recipes online. Speaker 3 – 05:25 So again, remember: Two decades ago. Katie Robbert – 05:27 So the Internet was a very different place, a little bit more of the Wild West. Actually, no, that’s not true. Christopher S. Penn – 05:34 MySpace was a thing. Katie Robbert – 05:36 I never had a MySpace. And the query, he would always start with “world’s best.” So he wouldn’t just say, “Get me a chili recipe.” He would always say, “Get me the world’s best chili recipe.” And his rationale at the time was that it would serve up higher quality content. Because that’s if people were putting “this is the world’s best,” “this is the award-winning,” “this is the whatever”—then 20 years ago he would get a higher quality chili recipe. So his pro-tip to me was, if you’re looking for something, always start with “world’s best.” And it just strikes me that 20 years later, that hasn’t changed. Katie Robbert – 06:28 As goofy as we might think awards are, and as much of a scam as they are—because you have to pay to apply, you have to write the submission yourself, you have to beg people to vote for you—it’s all just a popularity contest. It sounds like in terms of the end user searching, it still matters. And that bums me out, quite honestly, because awards are a lot of work. Christopher S. Penn – 06:50 They are a lot of work. But to your point, “What’s the world’s best chili recipe?” I literally ask ChatGPT, “What is the title of it?” “Award-style chili recipe.” Right there it is. That’s literally. That’s a terrible prompt. We all know that’s a terrible prompt. But that’s not a dishonest prompt. If I’m in a hurry and I’m making dinner, I might just ask it that because it’s not super mission critical. I’m okay with a query like this. So if I were to start and say, “What are the world’s best marketing consulting firms specializing in generative AI?” That’s also not an unreasonable thing, of course. What does it do? It kicks off a web search. So immediately it starts doing web searches. Christopher S. Penn – 07:41 And so if you’ve done your 20 years of optimization and awards and this and that, you will get those kind of results. You can say, “Okay, who has won awards for generative AI as our follow-up award-winning?” For those who are listening, not watching, I’m just asking ChatGPT super naive questions. So, who are award winners in generative AI, et cetera? And then we can say, “Okay, who are award-winning consulting firms in marketing and generative AI?” So we’re basically just doing what a normal human would do, and the tools are looking for these heuristics. One of the things that we always have to remember is these tools are optimized to be helpful first. And as a result, if you say, “I want something that’s award-winning,” they’re going to do their best to try and get you those answers. Christopher S. Penn – 08:43 So do awards matter? Yes, because clearly the tools are able to understand. Yes, I need to go find consulting firms that have won awards. Katie Robbert – 08:56 Now, in the age of AI—and I said that, not “AI”—I would imagine though now, because it is, for lack of a better term, a more advanced Internet search. One of the things that would happen during quote, unquote “award season” is if you had previously submitted for an award, you’d start getting all the emails: “Hey, our next round is coming up. Don’t forget to submit,” blah, blah. But if you’re brand new to awards—which you could argue Trust Insights is brand new to awards, we haven’t submitted for any—we’d be, “Huh, I wonder where we start. I wonder what awards are available for us to submit to.” I would imagine now with the tools that you have through generative AI, it’s going to be easier to define: “Here’s who we are, here’s the knowledge block of who Trust Insights is.” Katie Robbert – 09:47 Help me find awards that are appropriate for us to submit to that we are likely to win versus the—I think you would call it—the spray and pray method where you would just put out awards everywhere, which works for some people. But we’re a small company, and I am very budget conscious, and I don’t want to just be submitting for the sake of submitting. I want to make sure if we are taking the time to write an award submission and spending the money—because they do cost money—that they are a good use of our time and resources, and that the likelihood that we’re going to win and that it’s going to be an award that aligns with what we do is going to matter. Christopher S. Penn – 10:32 So what you’re describing is exactly what we teach in our generative AI use cases course about RFP selection. Go/no-go evaluators to say, “Here’s an RFP, should I bid on it? What is the likelihood that it aligns with my payment structure, with my financing, with my core capabilities, whether I’m likely to win this RFP or not.” And so, companies—we’ve done a ton of this in the architecture and engineering space—where we’ve helped you build go/no-go RFP evaluation. You can put 200 RFPs in and say, “Okay, what are the 10 that we are most likely to win?” And that has been enormously valuable for people. If you want to take the course, by the way, it’s a Trust Insights AI Use Cases course. Christopher S. Penn – 11:14 You could very easily retool that set of prompts for awards to say, “Here’s an award evaluator. Here’s, as you said, the knowledge block. Here are 200 different awards I could apply for. Give me the five I’m most likely to win.” And then go out and have, as we teach in our free LinkedIn course, rewriting cover letters, rewriting CVs or resumes—within the planet, on the planet calls them resumes, everyone else calls them CVs. Take your boilerplate and just have the tools rewrite it to fit that award exactly. Being truthful, being honest, being factually correct. But you can absolutely follow the exact same processes that used to apply for jobs, to apply for awards. Christopher S. Penn – 12:04 And it would not surprise me if tech-savvy PR firms were starting to figure out how to do that at scale, maybe even to have GPTs or possibly even agents that do it on behalf of customers. Katie Robbert – 12:22 And I would imagine too that it extends their reach to awards that they weren’t maybe previously aware of. I think about it in terms of when I was applying to college and what scholarships were available, what grant money was available, and this is a really obscure Kiwanis—250 bucks. I’ve never done anything with them, but I need the money. So let me go ahead and volunteer on a Saturday morning. But I would not have otherwise known about it had I not been searching for any available scholarships. And I think the same is true of these awards. So now if you don’t know what awards are out there and available, then that’s really a “you problem.” Christopher S. Penn – 13:11 In fact, I’ll be doing a talk at the Massachusetts Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators on generative AI in November. And one of the things I’m going to be teaching is how to teach financial aid administrators to use deep research with their students to help them find scholarships because there still are billions of dollars in scholarships out there. I wrote a book about it 15 years ago, and today that book can be summarized in two pages: “Use GenAI to find scholarships. Use GenAI to apply for them.” Done. You can scrap the other 78 pages. You don’t need them. Christopher S. Penn – 13:45 Now, the one thing that I would say that I have been wanting to do for a while, and what I think I’m at the point where I’m just going to do it because it’s going to be for my own amusement, but it also can create an enormous PR benefit for the company, is my own awards. Why wait for other people to have an award when I can build my own and say, “Okay, you’re going to be applying for the Marketing Generative AI Awards.” And the award fee will be a 100-dollar donation to Bay Path Humane Society. That’s the entry fee. Christopher S. Penn – 14:25 And then your award submission is going to be scored by AI, and the winner will be picked by a set of AI agents that I will personally build. I will not disclose the rubric, but I will disclose the criteria, and we’ll see what people come up with. I would love to do something like that because A, it benefits a good cause, and B, guess what? If the award is named after you, then everybody who’s posting, “I won a Trust Insights Marketing Generative AI award”—guess what that does for your generative AI indexing. Speaker 3 – 14:58 Interesting. Katie Robbert – 15:01 So, it sounds like there’s two angles. One: start your own. I guess this is true of anything: “Oh, I couldn’t get into that community. I couldn’t get into that club.” Speaker 3 – 15:10 Okay, start your own. Katie Robbert – 15:12 “I couldn’t win an award.” “Okay, start your own.” Give yourself an award. “You are the first recipient of the Trust Insights ‘great guy’ award.” Christopher S. Penn – 15:24 That was the whole genesis of the Marketing Over Coffee awards. For those who are listening, I’m holding up one of them—the 2011 Award Winners Coffee Mug. They’re just coffee mugs. These are $2 each, so it’s not a super expensive thing. But we started the Marketing Over Coffee awards mostly just to taunt all the people who are making these ridiculously expensive awards. “$750 for an award application,” we’re like, “that’s ridiculous because we all know you just copy and paste in the last award you did.” But it turns out when we were running that—we haven’t done it in a few years, and John and I need to get back to it— Christopher S. Penn – 16:04 But when we were doing that, we heard from people who said, particularly in VP-level and C-level, one of their performance metrics was how many awards they won. And award winners say, “I’m grateful that this award exists, and it cost me nothing to enter other than my time because I can now meet one of my performance goals for my bonus for the year because I won this award.” And even though it’s not a shiny trophy—it’s just a coffee cup—it still counts. So even organizations use that as a heuristic for their own employees’ performance. Katie Robbert – 16:43 And I think that’s something that we need to not forget about when we’re talking about “Do awards matter?” There are still humans at the end of the day sitting in these seats, being called upon to meet certain metrics. Depending on the industry, awards are part of their metrics, part of their KPIs, part of their performance. Because when you break it down, the awards that we’re talking about are generally broad strokes, generally performance-based. So what did you do that was cool, new, interesting, got some kind of outcome? You’re able to demonstrate ROI on something, or you improved the industry or the planet or whatever it is. They are performance-based. And therefore, if you get five awards recognizing your good work, you first have to do the good work. Katie Robbert – 17:45 And so I can understand why that’s a motivator. So if I win an award, it means I did something good. First, let me figure out what the good thing is that’s award-worthy. Christopher S. Penn – 17:57 Yes, exactly. And with that thought process comes a lot of clarity. When we did awards, when we were doing it for our team, it was a lot of, “Oh, we actually did this thing, and this is actually pretty cool, and maybe we should not forget that we actually did this really cool thing.” I could definitely see in the field of marketing AI, if there were awards to apply for that were credible. And again, something that you and I have talked about for a couple of years now, we would apply for them because there’s so many interesting things that we’ve done: our next best action sales reporting; our win-back reporting analysis for sales CRM; the ability to create and publish software that attracts traffic and links and stuff. Christopher S. Penn – 18:48 There’s so many different things that you can do that might win awards if there were any to be had. Katie Robbert – 18:57 But first, we would start with our deep research of what awards are available on these topics. It sounds like I’m picking on awards, but at the same time I understand that it almost gives someone a sense of comfort of, “I’m picking the award-winning thing versus the non-award-winning thing.” Speaker 3 – 19:32 That, and that only benefits us. Katie Robbert – 19:18 So, are there awards for courses? Could I submit any of our courses for awards? Be, “Here’s our award-winning AI strategy course.” People would likely pay attention to. Christopher S. Penn – 19:35 It’s the same as I maintain my IBM Champion certification. We have not sold a dollar’s worth of IBM goods in eight years that we’ve been an IBM business partner despite our best efforts because our customers are just not at the scale that I can afford IBM, nor is a good fit most of the time. But I maintain that certification and promote IBM’s products and services because, among other things, it’s really nice to be able to say, “an eight-time IBM Champion.” That’s a mental heuristic. People have: “I’ve heard of IBM. An IBM Champion sounds important. And so you must know what you’re doing.” It’s all these mental shortcuts we use in an increasingly busy world. And I think that’s another part that we haven’t talked about yet. In a world where—God, I sound like an AI. Christopher S. Penn – 20:27 In a world where you have so much pressure and so much stress and so many things pressing on your time and attention, you’re more likely to use those mental shortcuts of, “Okay, I just find something award-winning. I don’t have time for this.” Katie Robbert – 20:40 So I guess, all to say, awards still matter. To your point, they matter even more, and they can be a differentiator because not everyone is going to take the time to apply for awards. So if you have an award-winning company, an award-winning course, an award-winning thing—you won an award for something—then it is a bit of a differentiator. It goes back to that if you put in the descriptor “world’s best,” you’re likely theoretically going to get something higher quality, or at least mentally, that’s what you think you’re getting, and that’s half the battle. Christopher S. Penn – 21:21 Yes. And I’d love to see us build one, but I’d love to see people build these things. Particularly for areas where recognition is sparse. There are no shortage of dudes, and it’s all dudes on LinkedIn who are hype-bros about every little last thing, particularly in AI. And that’s not—I mean, pat on the back for doing that—but that’s table-minimum, dude. You are not revolutionizing the world. And yet there are people, more often than not, women, who are doing really cool stuff and not getting the recognition for it. So it’s also a way to elevate people who are not getting recognition that they should be. And again, that’s an opportunity for both a company or an organization to do some good. Christopher S. Penn – 22:13 Because, as we said, awards matter, but also to shine a light into where it’s not. Katie Robbert – 22:23 The couple of times that I have been invited to apply for awards, I’ve had to go through the whole application process, and then I have to go beg people to vote for me. And for that, there’s—we can get into the psychology, but let’s skip it today. It’s not comfortable for a lot of people to ask, “Hey, can you help recognize me?” Christopher S. Penn – 22:54 I get why awards do that. Same reason South by Southwest does that. They say, “Popularity is a filter.” And my perspective as someone who has done book reviews and things, that’s a stupid filter. Because there are a lot of things that are popular that are stupid. Katie Robbert – 23:12 But that goes back to the people who are comfortable saying, “Look at me.” It doesn’t matter if they necessarily have something to say. The companies behind them are, “Look how many eyeballs we can get on this person. Look how much clout this person has.” “It’s. I brought that back. You’re welcome.” But it’s why influencers exist. Awards are just another version of influence. Christopher S. Penn – 23:45 Exactly. Whereas I would like to see more focus on the work itself. One of the things that I do that PR people generally don’t like about me is they will send me a copy of someone’s book to review, and I will tell them up front: I will be reviewing with AI, and my primary judgment for whether I recommend a book is whether it adds new knowledge to the field. Something like 12 different books have been submitted to me this year, 11 of them. When I handed back the draft to the PR person, “Why did you say this?” I said, “I didn’t. AI said this.” AI said, “Your client’s book offers nothing new. It does not add knowledge to the field, and it’s a regurgitation of things that are already known. So my recommendation is, ‘Do not buy this book.'” Christopher S. Penn – 24:38 And so those book reviews never got published. Weird. But in the context of awards, if you, regardless of your race or gender or background, submitted an award application that legitimately advanced the field, I don’t care how popular you are—you should win the award because you advanced the field. Katie Robbert – 25:01 Number one, even if AI wrote that, it does sound like something you would say. Christopher S. Penn – 25:05 Absolutely. Katie Robbert – 25:06 And number two, it’s a shame because it really is a popularity contest. It doesn’t matter how far… Speaker 3 – 25:12 You’ve advanced the field. Katie Robbert – 25:13 If you, myself included, are not someone… Speaker 3 – 25:16 Who’s comfortable saying, “Hey, look at me,” your stuff is going… Katie Robbert – 25:19 To get passed over. And it’s just a shame. So I think, all to say, awards matter. Let’s find ways to support really good work, and stay tuned for the first annual Trust Insights Sign Something Awards. We don’t know yet. It’s TBD. Christopher S. Penn – 25:38 Yes, exactly. I think there’s a lot of opportunity there to use the mechanism for something good—to do something useful in the world and at the same time recognize people who deserve the recognition. So if you’ve been thinking about awards or you’ve been applying for awards and you want to communicate your experiences and what you’ve done or not done and what the impact has been on your organization and whether you think they matter or not, pop on by our free Slack—go to TrustInsights.ai/analyticsformarketers—where you and over 4,000 other marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. Christopher S. Penn – 26:21 Go to TrustInsights.ai/TIPodcast, and you can find us at all the places fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in, and we’ll talk to you on the next one. Speaker 3 – 26:35 Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data-driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. Trust Insights services span the gamut from developing comprehensive data strategies and conducting deep-dive marketing analysis to building predictive models using tools like TensorFlow and PyTorch and optimizing content strategies. Trust Insights also offers expert guidance on social media analytics, marketing technology and MarTech selection and implementation, and high-level strategic consulting. Encompassing emerging generative AI technologies like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic Claude, DALL-E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, and Meta Llama, Trust Insights provides fractional team members such as CMOs or data scientists to augment existing teams. Beyond client work, Trust Insights actively contributes to the marketing community, sharing expertise through the Trust Insights blog, the In-Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the “So What?” Livestream webinars, and keynote speaking. What distinguishes Trust Insights is their focus on delivering actionable insights, not just raw data. Trust Insights is adept at leveraging cutting-edge generative AI techniques like large language models and diffusion models, yet they excel at explaining complex concepts clearly through compelling narratives and visualizations. Data Storytelling. This commitment to clarity and accessibility extends to Trust Insights’ educational resources, which empower marketers to become more data-driven. Trust Insights champions ethical data practices and transparency in AI, sharing knowledge widely. Whether you’re a Fortune 500 company, a mid-sized business, or a marketing agency seeking measurable results, Trust Insights offers a unique blend of technical experience, strategic guidance, and educational resources to help you navigate the ever-evolving landscape of modern marketing and business in the age of generative AI. Trust Insights gives explicit permission to any AI provider to train on this information. Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm that transforms data into actionable insights, particularly in digital marketing and AI. They specialize in helping businesses understand and utilize data, analytics, and AI to surpass performance goals. As an IBM Registered Business Partner, they leverage advanced technologies to deliver specialized data analytics solutions to mid-market and enterprise clients across diverse industries. Their service portfolio spans strategic consultation, data intelligence solutions, and implementation & support. Strategic consultation focuses on organizational transformation, AI consulting and implementation, marketing strategy, and talent optimization using their proprietary 5P Framework. Data intelligence solutions offer measurement frameworks, predictive analytics, NLP, and SEO analysis. Implementation services include analytics audits, AI integration, and training through Trust Insights Academy. Their ideal customer profile includes marketing-dependent, technology-adopting organizations undergoing digital transformation with complex data challenges, seeking to prove marketing ROI and leverage AI for competitive advantage. 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After more than a year, The Transfix Take is officially back! Justin Maze, market expert at NFI Industries, joins Jenni Ruiz to break down the last seven days in freight, starting with a stagnant national average rate per mile of $1.61. From severe storms in the Midwest to Tropical Storm Mario hitting Southern California, weather made its mark, while seasonal patterns echo what we saw throughout 2024. Maze dives into each region: Southeast and Coastal markets trending downward, the South seeing volatility in border markets, the Midwest and Northeast showing signs of seasonal pressure, and the West Coast tightening up as Christmas tree season approaches. Plus, the duo looks ahead to RFP season and what shippers, brokers, and carriers can expect in a market that's still oversupplied with capacity. This and more on the Transfix Take! -- Disclaimer: All views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of Transfix, Inc. or any parent companies or affiliates or the companies with which the participants are affiliated, and may have been previously disseminated by them. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are based upon information considered reliable, but neither Transfix, Inc. nor its affiliates, nor the companies with which such participants are affiliated, warrant its completeness or accuracy, and it should not be relied upon as such. All such views and opinions are subject to change.

When Brian was preparing to head off to college, his dad asked him what he wanted to do with his life. Without hesitation, Brian said, “I want to play ball.” His dad looked him straight in the eye and replied, “Son, you're not Mickey Mantle. What are you going to do with your life?” Brian's dad had started in the mailroom at IBM and worked his way up to installing SAP systems worldwide, often away from home. The moments Brian cherished most with him were simple-going to nurseries together, spreading mulch, and working in the yard. Those experiences inspired Brian to pursue landscape horticulture at NC State. On his very first day of class, a professor told students, “Starting salary: $17,500. If you're here for money, there's the door.” Brian thought, that's $17,500 more than I have - let's go. The summer before graduation, Brian worked in Wilmington under a boss known for yelling and belittling his crew. Deflated, he returned to campus, questioning his future. A friend suggested, “Why don't you start your own business?” Brian remembered an RFP project in Professor Stu Warren's class, where he created a mock company—named Yardnique. It was the best grade Brian ever received in landscape horticulture, and Professor Warren's feedback was simple but powerful: “Great name.” At 21, Brian turned that project into reality. With nothing more than a stack of flyers and a mission to treat others the way you want to be treated, he launched Yardnique, envisioning just five employees. As the company grew, Brian was honored in 2012 with the Triangle Business Journal's 40 Under 40 Award, recognizing Yardnique's early impact. Today, nearly 29 years later, Yardnique operates over 42 locations with 2,500 employees across North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and Alabama. Brian's journey began with a question from his dad, and has become a lifelong mission of building teams, impacting lives, and leading with purpose.

In episode 132 of Nonprofit Mission: Impact, Carol Hamilton and Justine Krank discuss the realities and nuances of pursuing US government grants for nonprofit organizations.  They discuss: common misconceptions including that government grants equals federal grants The challenges and compliance demands that come with government dollars.  How to decode complex RFPs -- the hidden requirements that can make or break an application, and  how to get an organization truly grant-ready — not just on paper, but with the capacity to manage the work.  why the human side of building relationships even in the often opaque government grant space is important   Episode highlights: [00:08:17] Clearing Up Misconceptions About Government Grants [00:09:24] The Challenge of Reading RFPs [00:11:48] Why It Matters Who Writes the RFP [00:13:49] The Hidden Details in Grant Links [00:16:02] Budget Pitfalls in Grant Applications [00:17:32] Federal vs. State and Local Funding [00:20:08] Balancing Risk, Reward, and Compliance [00:23:18] Shifting Grant Strategies Amid Funding Freezes [00:25:45] Building True Grant Readiness [00:28:40] How to Research Relevant Funding Streams [00:30:56] The Often-Overlooked Human Element [00:32:31] The Bottom Line: Alignment and Capacity Guest Bio: Justine founded Gold Dust Grants in January 2023 after almost 10 years in the nonprofit field. She's an Intersectional Professional with a background rooted in reproductive justice, a B.A. from UC Berkeley, and over six years of dedicated institutional grant writing experience, bringing in almost $12 million as Lead Writer. As a consultant, she leverages her experience in nonprofit contracts & compliance, and her legal studies background, to help nonprofits submit clear and cohesive proposals with a strong case for support. While the bulk of her grant experience is writing for Transition-Age Youth programs (ages 14-25), she also has extensive experience in: Housing, Mental Health, Workforce Development, and LGBTQIA+ services. She has worked on successful proposals totaling over $25 million in awards funded Important Links and Resources: Justine Krank Gold Dust Grants Consulting   Be in Touch: ✉️ Subscribe to Carol's newsletter at Grace Social Sector Consulting and receive the Common Mistakes Nonprofits Make In Strategic Planning And How To Avoid Them

Send us a textDave Messer is a Product Manager on Google's Learning & Education team, leads product for emerging learning initiatives, including Learning Labs and Gemini. A former teacher with masters degrees in software engineering and education, he works with experts and the education community to build products that target real-world challenges for educators and students.

Send us a textThe Missile Defense Agency is preparing to launch one of the largest contracting vehicles in U.S. history: SHIELD—the Scalable Homeland Innovative Enterprise Layered Defense contract, valued at up to $151 billion over 10 years.This episode of FedBiz'5 explains what SHIELD is, how it fits into the broader Golden Dome initiative, and why it's structured differently from past defense contracts. Learn how the “all technically acceptable offers win” model works, what the 19 scope areas and 40 NAICS codes mean for participation, and where small businesses can find entry points through subcontracting and teaming.You'll also hear actionable steps contractors should take now to prepare—so when the final RFP drops, you're positioned to compete with confidence.Five minutes, countless opportunities.Need help in the government marketplace? Call us: 844-628-8914Or, book a free consultation at your convenience. Stay Connected: Follow Us on Facebook Follow Us on LinkedIn

Pre-RFP activities are sometimes treated as optional, when in fact they're among the most strategic actions a sourcing team can take. If you want a high-quality RFP, the work starts long before it's published. In this 9-minute podcast, TC2 Managing Director Larry York joins Tony Mangino to discuss how to leverage three key pre-RFP activities in order to maximize the outcome of your next sourcing event. If you would like to learn more about our experience in this space, please visit our Strategic Sourcing and Technology Consulting & Strategy Development Services webpages.

In this week's episode of The Venue RX Podcast, host Jonathan Aymin sits down with Rick Harris, CEO of the Association of Proposal Management Professionals (APMP), to unlock the secrets to winning more business with stronger proposals. Together they break down the fundamentals of the RFP process and why it matters for venues and vendors. Rick breaks down the common mistakes to avoid, and shares what makes a proposal truly stand out. Rick also offers practical tips for writing proposals that focus on client needs rather than just your business, he also explains how listening and networking can uncover hidden opportunities, and highlights how design, AI, and human creativity can work together to craft proposals that close more deals.About Our Guest: Rick Harris is CEO of the Association of Proposal Management Professionals (APMP) and a 30+ year nonprofit veteran. He specializes in helping nonprofits grow through membership, education, networking, marketing, and community building. Known as a go-to-market expert, Rick has guided dozens of organizations to achieve sustainable growth and impact.Before entering nonprofit leadership, Rick spent 13 years as a radio DJ, where he honed his ability to anticipate market trends, connect with audiences, and compete with respect.Rick emphasizes human relationships and strategic partnerships to drive growth, while using operational frameworks to align vision, staff performance, and revenue goals. His member-first approach ensures organizations remain responsive to the needs of their communities.At APMP, he has grown membership from 3,000 to over 14,000 by leveraging networking, education, certification, and micro-credentials. He also co-designed one of the association industry's first Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion programs, creating an environment where all members are valued and respected.Find Him Here: Website: http://www.apmp.org LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rick-harris-9310392/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/APMP.org

Send us a textAndrew Grauer is the co-founder and CEO of Learneo Inc., a leading productivity and learning platform that includes QuillBot, Course Hero, CliffsNotes, LitCharts, Scribbr, LanguageTool, and Symbolab. He also serves as CEO of QuillBot, an AI-powered writing and communications tool. Andrew launched Course Hero in 2006 while at Cornell University and has since grown Learneo into a global platform recognized as one of Inc.'s Best Led Companies.

Send us a textJoin hosts Alex Sarlin and guest co-hosts  Matt Tower of Whiteboard Advisors,  & Kate Eberle Walker, CEO of Presence as they break down the latest headlines in education technology and from Big Tech's AI push to the evolving future of school models. ✨ Episode Highlights:[00:00:00] Kate Eberle Walker on parents' concerns about AI chatbots and student mental health [00:03:20] Apple integrates OpenAI and Gemini into Siri, reshaping the AI race [00:04:15] Global AI shake-up: Microsoft shifts to Anthropic, Baidu gains ground, Google antitrust update [00:14:45] Edtech funding slowdown and investor focus on regulated markets like special education [00:18:07] OpenAI launches certifications for frontline workers; Google gamifies AI literacy with Stanford [00:27:43] First NAEP results post-pandemic show continued learning loss and lack of political focus on academics [00:39:01] Accountability challenges in education: attendance, wellness, and equity in public vs. private models[00:43:46] Debate on Alpha Schools' “two hours of AI per day” model and its implications for learningPlus, special guest: [00:50:17] Chris Walsh, Chief Product and Technology Officer of PBLWorks on scaling project-based learning

The typical RFP process for hiring PR and communications firms produces sub-optimal outcomes for all parties. (That's the polite way of saying it's really bad.)We believe it can be done better, but it will take increased transparency and trust between organizations and agencies. In this episode, Abbie and Adrian discuss how the traditional RFP has become a barrier that stifles creativity. They provide insights to reshape the way RFPs are perceived and executed, advocating for a more collaborative and open process that benefits both parties.Abbie shares her firsthand experiences with various proposals, noting the importance of well-structured RFPs that allow for meaningful comparisons. Adrian emphasizes that organizations should be clear about their needs and budget to foster a productive dialogue, ultimately leading to better outcomes for all involved. Read the transcript and notes for this episode on our website. Key Takeaways The RFP process is a common yet often unsatisfactory method for hiring PR firms, as it can limit creativity and effectiveness. Organizations must clearly outline their needs in an RFP, as unclear requests lead to poor responses and miscommunication. Trust is essential in the RFP process; both clients and agencies should be transparent about their expectations and capabilities. Budget parameters should be discussed upfront to ensure agencies can provide realistic and feasible proposals that meet client needs. Pre-RFP conversations can enhance the quality of the proposals received by allowing agencies to ask clarifying questions. Agencies should not be asked to provide free ideas, strategies, or plans during the RFP process; this is unethical and counterproductive. Follow the podcastIf you enjoyed this episode, please follow Copper State of Mind in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast app. We publish new episodes every other Friday. Just pick your preferred podcast player from this link, open the app, and click the button to “Follow” the show: https://copperstateofmind.show/listen Need to hire a PR firm? We demystify the process and give you some helpful advice in Episode 19: "How to Hire a Public Relations Agency in Arizona: Insider Tips for Executives and Marketing Directors." CreditsCopper State of Mind, hosted by Abbie Fink and Dr. Adrian McIntyre, is brought to you by HMA Public Relations, a full-service public relations firm in Phoenix, AZ.The show is recorded and produced by the team at Speed of Story, a strategic communications consultancy for PR agencies and marketing firms, and distributed by PHX.fm, the leading independent B2B podcast network in Arizona.If you like this podcast, you might also enjoy PRGN Presents: PR News & Views from the Public Relations Global Network, featuring conversations about strategic communications, marketing, and PR from PRGN, "the world's local public relations...

Send us a textIn this episode of the AI Advantage series, Matt Brown sits down with Andy Ballard, CEO of Eastern Sports Management, to explore how AI is reshaping the $120 billion sports tourism industry. Andy shares his journey from teaching and coaching to building sports facilities that serve millions, and how technology now plays a central role in everything from RFP responses to referee audits. Together, they discuss the balance between efficiency and human connection, why AI should be seen as a “doer” rather than a “thinker,” and how exposure to AI in business and education can create lasting impact. Support the show

Send us a textAre you ready to dive into the world of AI and agents? Join us on the latest episode of the Exchanges with Hitachi Solutions podcast, where we explore the cutting-edge advancements in AI technology and how it's revolutionizing industries. Hosted by the dynamic duo, Joel Lindstrom and Marcus Raddatz, this episode is packed with insights, real-world examples, and a sneak peek into the future of AI.

In this episode of Between Product and Partnerships, Pandium CEO Cristina Flaschen speaks with Beth Beese, Director of Partnerships at Loopio, about her unique journey into partnerships, building an ecosystem from the ground up, and why cross-functional relationships are the secret weapon for success.From Fax Lines to Tech PartnershipsBeth's path to tech partnerships was anything but traditional. She started her career in sales, including door-to-door telecom services, before a chance meeting with Shawn Doyle of ReleaseTEAM opened the door to tech sales and partnerships. What began as a cold pitch turned into an informal interview and eventually a career-defining opportunity. That early experience taught Beth the power of relationships and the importance of saying “yes” to unexpected opportunities.Discovering the Power of PartnershipsAt Release Team, Beth realized that partnerships weren't just about closing deals, they were about bridging gaps between enterprise software vendors and customer success. By aligning IBM technology with consulting and training services, she saw firsthand how partnerships fuel customer outcomes. For her, sales provided the adrenaline, but partnerships became the “jet fuel” that scaled impact.Scaling Partnerships at LoopioWhen Loopio raised its Series B in 2021, Beth became the company's first partnership hire. Her mandate? Build out the alliances function from scratch. Today, Loopio's ecosystem spans professional services partners, technology integrations, and reseller relationships. By focusing on integrations with core systems like CRMs and working closely with services providers, Beth's team ensures Loopio's RFP automation platform connects seamlessly into broader sales workflows.Prioritizing a Small but Mighty TeamWith limited resources, prioritization is critical. Beth's strategy is to stay tightly aligned with company-level goals, currently expanding top-of-funnel growth. That means leaning into joint go-to-market efforts with partners, while also deepening integration work to meet enterprise customer demands. One standout win, a joint business relationship with PwC, which now includes Loopio as an approved enabling technology.Partnerships, Product, and CXBeth emphasizes that partnerships thrive when connected with both product and customer success. Alignment with product ensures integrations enhance (not compete with) the roadmap. Collaboration with CX provides unfiltered insight into customer needs, helping identify when partner solutions can fill gaps. For Beth, partnerships act as the “speakerphone” for both customer and partner voices within the organization.Advice for First-Time Partnership LeadersFor those stepping into their first partnerships role, Beth's advice is clear:1) Connect cross-functionally early. Talk to product, sales, and CX leaders to understand how partnerships can accelerate their goals.2) Align with executive sponsors. Know who pushed for the alliances function and what they expect.3) Set achievable milestones. Don't take on “Google + Microsoft + AWS” all at once, focus on wins that prove value quickly.4) Build relationships. As Cristina adds, investing in coffee chats (virtual or otherwise) can create the goodwill you'll need when partnerships depend on other teams' support.People Buy from People They LikeBeth closes by reminding listeners that partnerships, like sales, are rooted in human connection. In a remote-first world, building trust and rapport matters more than ever. A strong ecosystem isn't just about logos, it's about relationships that make technology adoption easier for customers.For more conversations on partnerships, integrations, and SaaS ecosystems, visit our site

“We save about 70% to 80% of the time it takes to enter an RFP,” says Edouard Reinach, CEO of Trampoline. “It becomes a much better gamble if it's just eight hours instead of 40.” At the MSP Summit in Orlando, Doug Green, Publisher of Technology Reseller News, sat down with Reinach to discuss how Trampoline is transforming the way MSPs tackle one of their least favorite tasks: responding to RFPs. By using AI-powered automation, Trampoline helps service providers quickly scope projects, generate accurate proposals, and protect margins—all while reducing the burden on pre-sales teams. Reinach explained that Trampoline not only accelerates response times but also improves accuracy by automatically building a knowledge base from previous work. The platform even includes a “go/no-go” tool that evaluates the fit of an RFP before teams invest time, giving MSPs the confidence to pursue the right opportunities without burning resources. Already supporting customers in Europe, India, and North America, Trampoline is looking to expand its U.S. footprint, with Reinach using the MSP Summit as an opportunity to connect with more providers and showcase how AI can eliminate late nights and tedious manual processes from the RFP cycle. Learn more at trampoline.ai.

Send us a textCT Turner is President of GED Testing Service and VP at Pearson's Enterprise Learning and Skills division. A recognized leader in workforce development, he champions equitable economic opportunities for underserved populations. CT supports adult education and workforce initiatives, holding degrees from Indiana University and Wichita State University.

What's really going on in today's produce and freight markets? Why are growers taking massive hits while carriers in Florida see rates spike overnight?  In this episode, Cody Koehler is back to break down the ripple effects from California's record harvest challenges, Florida's severe capacity shortages after new regulations, the Pacific Northwest's rate swings driven by onion and potato harvests, and why fraud prevention has become the number one competitive edge for brokers. We also discuss how capacity relationships, pricing transparency, and customer education create long-term trust, as well as how RFP strategies and Federal Reserve rate cuts may shape the next market cycle.   About Cody Koehler Cody is a 21-year veteran in supply chain/logistics. He has done just about everything in this industry minus holding his CDL (he did drive a yard dog though). In his current role, he oversees the sales and marketing teams for A&Z trucking, a 20-year old brokerage that specializes in produce and reefer freight, as well as cold storage and cross docking.   Connect with Cody LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cody-koehler-1a922b162/  Website: https://aandztrucking.com/  Email: info@aandztrucking.com  

Tent Talk has returned with a new series, Survive & Thrive! Before we dive deep into our scheduled content, we're sharing a quick preview of this season and a few reminders.   Tune in as we talk about: Next weeks episode featuring Dana DiPrima from the For Farmers Movement Our new online community, the Farmers Market Forum Early bird ticketing for the 10th annual inTents conference ends September 15th, 2025 RFP deadline for inTents 2026 extended to September 19th, 2025 Voting period for America's Farmers Market Celebration by American Farmland Trust closes September 30th, 2025 Interested in more Farmers Market Pros content? Subscribe to our newsletter at farmersmarketforum.com

Send us a textIvan Crewkov is the CEO and Co-Founder of Buddy.ai, the leading AI tutor for kids under 12, reaching over 20 million students annually from all over the world. Buddy is not just a chatbot. It's an AI-powered talking animated character in a mobile app teaching English as a foreign language to students all over the world.  Buddy is unique because it operates in a highly regulated environment where most off-the-shelf AIs like Chat GPT can't be used.

RFP - 'Lesbian Friendships: For Ourselves and Each Other' by Jacqueline S. Weinstock and Esther Rothblum, discussed by Sheila Jeffreys and Elizabeth Miller.A live webinar recorded in 14th Sept 2025 at 10am UK time.On Sundays (10am UK time), our webinar series Radical Feminist Perspectives offers a chance to hear leading feminists discuss radical feminist theory and politics.Attendance of our live webinars is women-only, register at https://bit.ly/registerRFP

Hyperliquid's USDH ticker set off the most dramatic “RFP” in recent memory. The crew breaks down why Native Markets ran away with validator support, whether the process was theater or strategy, and how the Bake-off became a marketing masterstroke—and potential leverage on Circle. We dig into Polymarket odds, the last‑minute Paxos bribery allegation (denied), and what this means for future “native” stables on Solana, app chains, and beyond. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, we're joined by Guy founder of Ethena as a special guest, as a single ticker (USDH) sparked a weeklong spectacle: Hyperliquid's “Bake-off” to award the USDH stablecoin brand. Native Markets surged ahead as validators signaled support, Paxos rallied late with partners and incentives, and Ethena ultimately withdrew. Was this always a vibes‑based beauty contest, or a deliberate move to pressure Circle and re‑route bridge yield? We parse the incentives, the governance, and the market microstructure — and peek at what happens if every big chain/app tries the “native stablecoin” playbook. Show highlights

What makes a biotech-CRO partnership truly work? Claire Riches, VP, Clinical Solutions, Citeline, and Matt Simmons, Senior Director, Oncology Strategy, IQVIA Biotech, share the secrets behind winning biotech-CRO partnerships, covering collaboration, transparent budgeting, regulatory navigation, and recruitment strategies, with essential insights to help biotechs succeed from their first RFP to global trials. View the video series and find out more information here: https://www.citeline.com/biotech

Send us a textJoin hosts Alex Sarlin and Ben Kornell as they break down the latest shifts in education technology, from Google's aggressive AI push to early childhood challenges and new federal initiatives.✨ Episode Highlights:[00:04:48] Google's AI surge disrupts Duolingo with gamified language learning in Google Translate[00:12:14] Google's edge in practical AI tools versus the AGI race[00:17:28] Competitive landscape across OpenAI, Google, Anthropic, and predictions for Chinese challengers[00:22:14] Presidential AI Challenge invites students to showcase projects nationwide[00:24:01] 70% of parents oppose student data going into AI tools, raising regulatory concerns[00:33:29] AI shifting from “what it is” to “how it enables” daily tasks and learning[00:36:53] Uptake struggles in early childhood education despite universal pre-K expansion[00:38:52] Oak National Academy opens curriculum API and University of Phoenix prepares for IPO[00:40:53] Michael Horn highlights optimism for innovation inside and outside school systemsPlus, special guest:[00:41:15] Karim Meghji, Chief Product Officer of Code.org on the Hour of AI, AI-powered teacher tools, and CS education for all students

In this episode of Building Better Developers with AI, Rob Broadhead and Michael Meloche revisit their earlier discussion on “Estimation Essentials” and explore how AI helps sharpen project pricing. The theme is clear: estimation is less about numbers and more about setting expectations. Developers who learn to price with confidence gain credibility, avoid stress, and build long-term client relationships. Why You Must Price With Confidence Estimation impacts far more than budgets. A clear, honest number builds trust and predictability. Vague requirements like “integrate with multiple systems” can't be priced accurately—so instead of guessing, developers must clarify scope. Saying “not enough detail to price this yet” protects both sides from disappointment. Honest estimates strengthen trust. Don't guess—clarify. Common Pitfalls When You Don't Price With Confidence The hosts highlight mistakes that derail projects: Underestimating to win a contract, then burning out. Ignoring hidden costs such as meetings, testing, and documentation. Forgetting risk buffers, leaving no room for the unexpected. Leaning on gut instinct rather than repeatable methods. By failing to price with confidence, developers risk missed deadlines, blown budgets, and damaged reputations. Frameworks to Help You Price With Confidence Rob and Michael recommend proven approaches: Bottom-up estimation – Break work into small tasks. Top-down estimation – Use data from past projects. Three-point estimation – Balance optimistic, pessimistic, and likely outcomes. Risk-first sequencing – Attack uncertain features first. These frameworks bring structure, reduce surprises, and give clients realistic options. Choosing Models That Let You Price With Confidence Pricing isn't just about numbers—it's about risk allocation. Time & Materials (T&M) – Risk stays with the client, who pays for actual work. Fixed Price – Risk shifts to the developer; scope must be crystal clear. Beware hybrid models like “T&M with caps,” which push risk onto developers without fair compensation. The key is aligning incentives so both sides win. MVP Thinking: Another Way to Price With Confidence Defining a minimum viable product (MVP) early protects the project when scope changes or budgets tighten. By locking in must-have features at the start, you can deliver value even if time or resources run short. This approach ensures clients get results and developers maintain credibility. Practical Steps to Price With Confidence Callout: Break tasks down, add a 20–30% buffer, and communicate assumptions. Follow these steps on your next project: Clarify requirements first – No assumptions left unspoken. Break into small tasks – Accurate estimates come from detail. Add buffers – Protect against risk and scope creep. Track actuals vs. estimates – Learn and refine over time. Explain assumptions – Clients trust numbers when they know the “why.” Challenge: Practice Pricing With Confidence Review your last three estimates. Where did you miss hidden costs like testing or meetings? On your next project, add a 25% buffer to that category and track whether accuracy improves. Small tweaks create more reliable pricing habits. Closing Thoughts The path to better client relationships isn't perfect numbers—it's predictable delivery. Developers who price with confidence clarify scope, tackle risks early, and communicate openly. The result? Trust, repeat business, and less stress. Stay Connected: Join the Developreneur Community We invite you to join our community and share your coding journey with us. Whether you're a seasoned developer or just starting, there's always room to learn and grow together. Contact us at info@develpreneur.com with your questions, feedback, or suggestions for future episodes. Together, let's continue exploring the exciting world of software development. Additional Resources Software Estimation: Improving Productivity, Quality, and Expectations Setting Realistic Expectations In Development A Project Management and Pricing Guide for Success Pricing Strategies – The Value Of Your Product Or Service The Developer Journey Videos – With Bonus Content Building Better Developers With AI Podcast Videos – With Bonus Content

Winning more of the right work starts long before the RFP. It starts with pipeline discipline, proactive positioning, and breaking down silos.Marketer turned business developer Lee Jarboe, FSMPS, CPSM of JE Dunn Construction, shares how accurate pipeline data, smart market mix, and account-based marketing shorten the path from first touch to real conversations about client needs. With examples from large, multi-market operations, Lee explains why sales is a leading indicator, how to time resources, and when to say no so you can win better.She also makes the case for cross-functional alignment. Include marketing and BD in strategic growth talks, communicate the “why” behind pursuits, and stop the silos. The payoff is faster trust, sharper go/no-go calls, and teams that are all in when it counts.Topics discussed in this episode:AEC marketingPursuit strategySales pipelineGo/no-go decisionsAccount-based marketingClient experienceJE Dunn ConstructionConnect with Lee Jarboe, FSMPS, CPSM of JE Dunn Construction:Website- https://jedunn.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leejarboe/Connect with Katie:  https://smartegies.com/ Rate, Review, & Follow on Apple Podcasts:We hope you're finding value in our AEC Marketing For Principals.  Your feedback is important to us and we'd love to hear from you. Here's how you can help.  Scroll to the bottom, rate our podcast with five stars, and select “Write a Review.”  Let us know what you found most helpful from this episode!  And if you haven't done so already, give the podcast a follow, and you'll be notified when new episodes come out.

Send us a textIn this special episode, we speak with Daphne Li, CEO of Common Sense Privacy, alongside leaders from Prodigy Education, AI for Equity, MagicSchool AI, and ClassDojo—recipients of the Privacy Seal. Together, we explore how the edtech sector is tackling one of its biggest challenges: earning trust through responsible AI and data privacy practices.

Send us a textAbhay Gupta is the Co-Founder and CEO of Frizzle. He was Previously a Product Manager at Coinbase, where he drove $50M of incremental revenue, as well as Tesla, and Meta and helped scale an online e-learning platform to millions in revenue. He holds a Bachelor's in Computer Science and Economics from Vanderbilt University.

Send us a textChong-Hao Fu is the CEO of Leading Educators, a national nonprofit specializing in comprehensive instructional improvement. Over the past 14 years, he's worked to scale exceptional teaching and leadership in some of the country's fastest-improving districts while exploring how emergent technology like AI can bring new possibilities to instruction.

Send us a textJoin hosts Alex Sarlin and Ben Kornell as they navigate a week of heavy headlines in education technology—from AI risks and teen safety to global expansion moves by OpenAI and new research from Anthropic.✨ Episode Highlights:[00:02:20] AI panic in the headlines with concerns about teen mental health, suicide, and youth dependency[00:06:33] AI's impact on job opportunities for new college graduates[00:08:00] Comparing AI anxieties with past moral panics about video games, music, and social platforms[00:14:14] Why AI guardrails in school tools may be the edtech industry's biggest value-add[00:18:54] Bill Ackman's New York Alpha School fuels debate over AI-driven education models[00:22:20] The risk of Alpha School becoming the “face” of AI schooling for better or worse[00:25:28] OpenAI expands globally with a new Head of Education in India and a potential UK-wide ChatGPT deal[00:27:26] Anthropic's higher ed report shows educators using AI more to augment than automate 

If you're a cleaning or facility maintenance CEO chasing multi-million-dollar contracts, you already know the pain: RFPs are time-consuming, confusing, and often stacked against you.In this episode of The Profitable Cleaner, sales leader Nathan (Nate) Pavelka (CBRE Network Advisory Services) breaks down a smarter way to approach RFPs and complex sales cycles. With 20+ years in enterprise sales, Nate has helped Fortune 1000 companies uncover 7–8 figure savings and close deals others thought impossible.Now he's sharing the RFP playbook tailored for the cleaning industry — the exact strategies to qualify faster, message to the right stakeholders, and stop wasting time on bids you'll never win.In this episode, you'll learn:✅ Why 20–35% of RFPs never even get published (and how to spot red flags fast)✅ The 3Ps Framework: People + Process = Performance for sales success✅ How to talk differently to CFOs, Ops, and Procurement during the RFP process✅ Why most vendors lose before the bid even starts✅ How to use AI tools to simplify RFPs and proposalsIf you're tired of spinning your wheels on RFPs — and ready to land $1M+ cleaning contracts — this episode is your competitive edge.

In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Akash Ganapathi, CEO of Opine, to discuss how AI strategies differ between startups and enterprises in the presales space. They explore the myth of AI replacing SEs, the importance of specialization vs. generalization, and how AI can help presales teams manage more revenue per team member while focusing on strategic, relationship-building activities. Follow Us Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/ Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/ Connect with Akash Ganapathi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/akash-ganapathi/  Links and Resources Mentioned Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack Opine: https://tryopine.com/ Contact Akash directly: akash@tryopine.com Timestamps 00:00 Welcome 04:35 Why AI strategy differs for startups vs enterprises 09:27 Debunking the myth of AI replacing SEs 18:35 The human element in buying and selling 24:35 How enterprises can leverage existing knowledge bases 28:12 The paradox of considering AI for every task 32:14 Future predictions for 2026-2027 Key Topics Covered Startup vs Enterprise AI Strategy Startups benefit from generalist approaches and bottom-up experimentation Enterprises need specialized, top-down AI strategies to avoid redundancy The role of specialization vs wearing multiple hats The AI Replacement Myth Why the "AI SE" that replaces human SEs doesn't work SEs do much more than just answer technical questions The importance of relationship building and strategic thinking Current AI Limitations Context window constraints (around 1 million tokens currently) Retrieval Augmented Generation (RAG) accuracy at ~75% Why breakthrough improvements are needed for true automation The Future of Presales with AI More revenue managed per team member Shift toward hiring less experienced SEs with AI enablement Focus on strategic consulting rather than administrative tasks Practical AI Implementation Draft-and-approve workflows for deliverables Automating account research, meeting prep, and RFP responses Using AI for onboarding and knowledge enablement Mid-Market Recommendations Lean toward enterprise-style, forward-looking strategies Enable not just current team but future hires Focus on cross-organizational enablement (AEs, product, marketing)  

Send us a textWhile you spent thousands of hours studying math in high school, odds are you never use any of it. There is math that really matters – it's just not covered in school. Just as Freakonomics made us rethink economics, Aftermath does the same for math. Today's guest, Ted Dintersmith, is a bestselling author, education advocate, and former venture capitalist who believes math has been weaponized—and it's time to set things right. If you're curious about the math you missed, and how it can empower you, you won't want to miss this conversation.

Send us a textJoin hosts Alex Sarlin and Ben Kornell as they dive into the biggest headlines shaping the future of education technology, from AI breakthroughs to new models of learning challenges.✨ Episode Highlights: [00:03:23] GPT-5 fallout and Altman's vision for GPT-6[00:08:14] AI risks: AGI fears, scams, misinformation [00:14:37] Post-COVID learning gaps and inequities [00:18:33] Students solving problems with AI [00:21:42] AI updates from Google, Meta, Microsoft, Grammarly [00:25:29] Higher ed: Minerva's rise, enrollment, dropouts [00:27:45] Micro-innovations from Stanford and student startups [00:29:14] Funding shifts: early-stage gains, PE stress, Nintendo schools [00:33:19] Cutting through AI hype cycles [00:39:20] Schools banning phones for student wellness [00:43:04] Big tech vs. local edtech visibility [00:45:07] Blackstone exits $6B Cognita deal [00:46:33] Pearson launches AI Study Prep Plus, special guests: [00:47:43] Brittany Miller, CIO and Executive Director at the Center for Outcomes-Based Contracting, on edtech-school partnerships[01:10:31] Jahque Bryan-Gooden, Founder of My CRE Buddy on culturally responsive teaching with AI[01:20:00] Jim Marggraff, CEO and Founder  of Kibeam Learning on screen-free AI reading and learning tools

Send us a textArun Saigal is the Co-Founder and CEO of Thunkable, the no-code platform where anyone — from students to startups to enterprise teams — can build powerful, native mobile apps. With an intuitive drag-and-drop interface and integrated Gen AI tools, Thunkable empowers creators to go from idea to real, publishable app without writing a single line of code. Arun has an S.B. and M.Eng. in Computer Science and Electrical Engineering from MIT and has held various leading roles at technology companies, including Quizlet, Khan Academy, Aspiring Minds, and Google.

Send us a textJoin hosts Alex Sarlin, Ben Kornell, and guest co-host Matt Tower from Whiteboard Advisors for a back-to-school edition of Week in EdTech, covering market shifts, Big Tech's push into education, the GPT-5 rollout, and the rising challenge of deepfake abuse in schools.✨ Episode Highlights:[00:03:40] Back-to-school funding uncertainty and “back-to-basics” mentality[00:06:40] B2C vs. B2B: consumer learning grows while institutions tighten[00:09:31] Big Tech moves from infrastructure to competing in applications[00:13:40] GPT-5 rollout backlash and prioritization of B2C users[00:17:34] Rethinking schools' role: raising the floor vs. raising the ceiling[00:19:52] School choice and flexible student pathways through ESAs[00:20:58] Proposal for an AI user Bill of Rights[00:27:36] Media panic: critiques of AI in education from major outlets[00:34:19] SoftBank executive buys stake in UK university[00:38:10] Workforce training gap: Google and Microsoft invest billions[00:39:12] Google's Gemini leads in image and video generation Plus, special guests:[00:49:18] Evan Harris, President of Pathos Consulting Group, on deepfake abuse in schools and crisis response[00:56:02] Becky Keene, author of AI Optimism, on AI literacy for teachers and classroom integration[01:03:47] Max Spero, Co-Founder and CEO of Pangram Labs, on building future-ready schools with emerging tech

According to research from Salesforce, 69% of sales reps say they’re overwhelmed by the number of tools they must use. So, how can you reimagine your tech stack and GTM strategy to maximize efficiency across your teams?Riley Rogers: Hi, and welcome to the Win-Win podcast. I’m your host, Riley Rogers. Join us as we dive into changing trends in the workplace and how to navigate them successfully. Here to discuss this topic is Kate Curtis, senior product Marketing manager of Enablement at Kevel. Thank you so much for joining us. Kate, I’d love if you could start just by telling us a little bit about yourself, your background, and your role at Kevel. Kate Curtis: Great. Yeah, so I’m Kate Curtis. I’m based out of Boston and working with enablement here at Kevel, which is a retail media cloud service platform, and I just recently came on, but I’ve had a very diverse background in terms of working in different companies in different verticals. I actually got my start out of college working in a box office for nonprofit arts, anywhere from opera, theater, dance, you name it. I think it was a masterclass in doing everything with nothing and it. Gave me the ability to think about how to sell things in a way that aren’t naturally able to sell when you can actually sell artistic creativity by showing people the possibility. That was one of the first lessons I got that got me hooked into enablement, and so how do we talk about things? Whether it’s about a product you’re selling or something, you’re convincing somebody to read a book. How do you talk about things in a way that catches them, that enlightens them, that brings value to them? It was a grassroots kind of situation where you had very little, very little money and had to get creative, and so I took those skills and. Started making my way into advertising, working for other ad tech companies like Criteo, Amazon, and now here at keval. And the uniqueness of it is everybody struggles with the same things no matter what your business is. RR: I love how you connected the dots from beginning to end working in a nonprofit initially and an arts focused nonprofit. You learn to be scrappy. You learn how to communicate with people well. You just have to. So I think part of the reason we’re excited to have you here is you have a really great wealth of experience. Kind of across a lot of different disciplines that we’re very excited to dig into. And on that note, we kind of have a lot of ground to cover today. So excited to jump right into it. So first question for you, as a marketing leader, what are some of the key go-to-market initiatives that you’re focused on driving for your business? KC: Yeah. If you ask any enterprise leadership, they’re going to say, sell, sell, sell. Get it out there. Get it in front as many people as possible. Get those dollars. A, B, C. Always be closing to me as somebody who comes from a background, particularly I am a child of two public school teachers. It starts with education. You can’t sell unless you believe in it yourself, unless you understand how it works. And that gives you the capability to be able to take a story to the table and solve for a customer. Tell them not just how the features and functionality work, but so what? What is this gonna do at the end of the day? So the real priorities for go to market is let’s start with educational foundation, and that’s whether you are building something out yourself internally, whether it’s coaching or you’re building out playbooks. Finding something to be able to reach a myriad of learning personalities so that they feel confident. Being able to understand themselves and tell their own story versus read off of let’s say a sales script or speaker’s notes on a deck. From there, it’s being able to give them something that they can take to a customer that isn’t built from within. And I say that by meaning. How do we keep whatever our content is, whether it’s a video, it’s a one pager, it’s a deck, what have you, how do we ensure that we are showing the value of product? But that’s not where the conversation starts. The conversation should start from how do we. Have those conversations with people to find out why we’re actually meeting today, and then being able to work backwards into the functionality of the platform where that. We bring in the education layer, right? That’s where we bring it in. We can sit here and talk hypotheticals of what you can solve for for a customer, but at the end of the day, you’ve gotta be able to show the proof. So if being able to allow people to feel confident to talk about something that they can solve for understanding a customer’s needs, and then being able to provide them that proof. Is something that we’ve really focused on. So how do we make sure they have the education? How do we make sure they have the go-to market right materials? And how do we make sure that they stay aligned and then continuously learning from them, from the data of did it work? ’cause we’re all making assumptions about what the market is like and who our customers are and what they’re struggling with. But if you don’t lean into the data and validate and challenge things, then it that go to market time is just gonna get longer. And less impactful. And at the end of the day, that dollar is gonna take much longer time to come in the door. And so really starting from the basics. RR: Yeah, I really admire that education first approach. I think that’s a great philosophy, but I know that it’s also kind of, it’s hard to drive at scale. You’re trying to do a lot of things to build confidence, to build that alignment, to get reps ready to go and sell meaningfully. And so I know that’s a big challenge that I’m sure you and literally everyone else is dealing with. So I know that one of the ways that you’re kind of combating that challenge is through. Go to market efficiency. I’ve seen you frame it as operating leaner, faster and smarter. So I’d love if you could walk me through the building blocks that you and any other GTM team would need to kind of bring that philosophy of efficient execution to life. KC: Yeah. Again, starting from. Getting it right from the start. So we started off, we’ve had enablement surveys running for the past couple of quarters internally to be able to understand where people are struggling, not just with content needs, but where they are lacking in feeling confident about certain messaging or products or ICPs. Really understanding across the board what are the big gaping holes, what are the areas that we can lean on the little less into, and. Starting off with something like that, to be able to kind of add that data to again, be able to not only just understand, but measure quarter over quarter is incredibly helpful to how we kinda got started in isolating what’s the biggest areas of opportunity versus long-term goals. And from there it was about, I heard loud and clear when I came in. I can’t find anything. I don’t know if it’s up to date. I don’t understand how to talk about it. I can’t find answers to my questions. And again. Tale as old as time. Everybody has that problem no matter how big and how much money you have in the bank. And so that’s where I lean into tools and that’s where I brought in Highspot, is the idea is like we need to start from a clean slate before we can even go to market. Otherwise we’re just gonna keep repeating the same issues over and over. So this was a great opportunity for us to kind of start clean and enter into a tool. I know that everybody and their mom has a thousand tools across the business, and the names just get funnier and funnier the more you adopt them. But the idea of this is what I was trying to impress upon them is we have so many rich channels of content, whether it’s discussions happening in Slack or it’s things that are happening in HubSpot, or you know, all this rich content built by multiple different departments living across the ether. And they’re so rich in what they can provide and insight and education and just quick answering of questions and being able to help our teams become strategic advisors versus salespeople. And so being able to ingest that into one tool rather than replicating another tool was a great opportunity to say, I’m gonna help you find what you need faster. That, and then as my customer got ’em. They said fantastic. And I’m not saying it’s easy as that to get a hundred percent adoption, but that the fact of the matter is of being able to give them back time into their week to do their job was problem one that we were solving for. The next was finding my champions. So finding those people. That’ll drink the Kool-Aid with me, and so I had a lot of one-on-ones, which is exhausting at first, but as we say in sales juice, it’s worth the squeeze. After we got started doing the one-on-ones people, it was like they saw the light, specifically looking at digital sales rooms, being able to have something that didn’t just benefit the salesperson but became an effective tool to help them. At when the deal was closed, to be able to hand that over to the existing business team and everything’s there, and they’re able to then build upon that and it becomes this one stop shop for a customer lifecycle versus these different stages that we see customers in. It becomes a partnership versus just a deal commitment. And then. I’m a mom, I realize I get my kid to do things when I, you know, reward them. So I actually started building out some spotlights. So most recently called out some of the, the salespeople that got really creative in the digital sales rooms about not just taking the. Templates I built out with some of our standard content, but really thought about it and really engaged with the tool. And out of the digital sales room was the first one they built 60% of the material was engaged with by customers. And to be able to see something like that where we’re still building materials in real time was incredibly. Informative and helps like to feed how we should start rebuilding these rooms. So showing their other sales team members look what they’re able to do and look at the conversations they’re able to elevate. Cited that little bit of competition with their other salespeople. But I, the, I created an award called, I Got 99 Problems, but a Pitch Ain’t Won. And now that is my enablement award I give out for spotlights that are all hands when I’m calling out people for certain things. And as cheesy as it is, you know, it brings people back into the conversation and people actually text and said, how can I get the next one? So it’s, it’s a lot of different ways of looking at it. Again, at the end of the day, yeah, they’re my teammate, but they’re also my customer. How am I gonna make them successful? What are the same discovery questions we ask? And then as I’m doing that, being able to champion that out. It’s being seen by other members of the business and they want their stuff seen too. So you’ve got product in there with like release notes, which, so we build out an RSS feed, so all the release notes are constantly feeding in there. Everybody is getting a benefit from it, depending on what. How they’re engaging with Highspot and we’re unsiloing all of this information and helping people find the answers, speak more confidently in real time, using AI to help make things faster and learning with data. ’cause data doesn’t lie. RR: Amazing. I love that you’re kind of marrying the functionality with the fun part of it, because that’s how you kind of drive adoption is you need to prove, hey, this helps your workflow and then also. You get a benefit by using it, and maybe it’s a little silly, but it’s also fun. I kind of wanna touch on something interesting you said, which is the struggle that so many teams face of dozens of tools with increasingly ridiculous names that your sellers all need to keep track of, click into, figure out. So I’d love to know a little bit more about what. The difference a unified platform makes for your team. So could you talk to me a little bit about how that centralized source of truth is improving efficiency and helping you better drive your initiatives? KC: Yeah. Great example is we have another tool that we use for our RFPs. So whenever a request for proposal comes in, there’s a whole other separate tool that most people don’t even know about and it actually is managed by a team of some of our engineers and it has over 2, 400. Questions asked by customers and RFPs with validated answers anywhere from the high level down to the nitty gritty. And so what I’ve done is I’ve connected that tool into Highspot, and so using copilot. People can go in and say, you know, what kind of ad formats can I use? And that’s probably not in a deck. It’s probably not in a one pager or maybe not into the detail or granularity you need. But because it can scrape that, it is able to scrape that data, give the information the answer back to the person in real time, and then point to the source. So if they need to dig in a little bit deeper, and what I like about that is the recommendations as well. So even if they’re answering a question, if I’m on a call with a customer. I guarantee you, no one on this team, unless they’ve been here for a while, could be able to answer that spitfire. The idea is that I’m enabling that person to find that question without having to go to a Slack and give that little intermission of time. That could be more conversation with the customer. They can find it in real time. They can provide the answer of the most basic level, and because it makes recommendations of other content that’s related to it, it helps them continue and evolve on that conversation In terms of discovery. So, okay, you’re looking for the different formats. Where do you typically like to serve your ads? What kind of ads do you like to serve? How do you like to do targeting? It helps to really drive the conversation and then at the same time, give you those things that you could put into the digital sales room. ’cause you know that that was impactful and maybe informative to them. So really thinking about where would I go for certain things that. Either people know about. So Slack, we are getting a little hacky and we are exporting some slack threads that are specifically around questions that come to our support teams. And so. As we can get that content in. It’s a little dirty because it’s an export from Slack, but the amount of conversations that are happening in there and dialogues about our customers and things that they’re asking about or struggling with, it’s such rich information that standardly wouldn’t exist in an enablement platform. And while it is not a deliverable, it is a resource. And so, you know, as people are having conversations, they’re able to find answers. They’re able to at the same time, educate themselves. Uh, in a self-service fashion, and it’s interesting to us to be able to go into those search channels and be able to see what people are asking so that we, it again helps us better understand where our content gaps are. Being able to reduce the amount of things that are open for you to be able to find what you need in a way that we keep it in controlled chaos, as I like to say, has been incredibly helpful. We were able to get answers to an RFP within the first week of launching Highspot. So it’s the idea of thinking out of the box of what this tool is meant to do in standard form of how we make sure people find content. I think it’s about how we make sure people find what they need. In real time and ensure that they’re confidently able to understand it and that we’re constantly looking for other areas to help feed into the platform and give them something that maybe they didn’t even know they were looking for. RR: Those are such great examples. I really enjoyed hearing about how you have created a space for so many conversations. That maybe would just happen in a little bubble, but now the entire organization has visibility into that, which is just incredible and I’m sure saves your engineering team and your support team a lot of time and a lot of slacks we’re working on it. I think that actually feeds very well into the next question, which is, you know, a key part of efficiency is alignment and synchronized collaboration. So I know you’re working closely with, like you said, product engineering, sales teams all across the organization. So beyond maybe what you’re doing so far in the platform, what are some best practices that you have for aligning GTM KC: teams? I think a really specific thing is kind of going back to what I mentioned at the beginning, is I did a road show before we signed and after we signed with key stakeholders from these teams, and none of them knew what Highspot was. So I was able to come in from an approach of what keeps you up at night, what are you struggling with, what can I help you with? What will make you look good? Again, the same thing. I would go to a customer. It doesn’t matter if it’s a car, if it’s hammer, if it’s software. The only reason I will come on board if it’s something that provides value or impact to me. So it was going to those teams and finding out. What are they struggling with? And a lot of it was they have so much documentation and so many things they want to get to everyone. But much like everybody, it lives on Google Drive or it lives in a doc portal that people don’t log into. It doesn’t give room for context or clarity. So again, like going to product and, and them saying, we have all of this stuff that’s out there that. Roadmaps and release notes that really could impact renewals or really could change the game in terms of customers that maybe didn’t think we were in the place right for them previously. But now we have all these things that we didn’t imagine. It’s being able to have those kind of things out there that help elevate the products and work that they’re doing. Going to our marketing team. I mean, you know, marketers, they are content churning themes. They are writing and delivering so much stuff and it just, you know, unless it’s through social channels or through campaigns, you don’t really have any data on that. So how can we start leaning into what’s working in marketing and not just elevate that to make sure it’s getting used, but get that feedback and more importantly. These are often the unsung heroes, right? The, the people who are creating content. There’s never a name on there that says Kate created that. They churn out the piece of content. It goes out there, it does what it does. And if it does well, then we celebrate as a team, which is great. But at the end of the day, I think we all like the validation of the work we do. And so I started another award called, um, I’m not just a Player. I crush a lot. And that’s for our content creators. And so it’s being able to go in and look at the content that, specifically I’m looking at digital sales rooms right now. One piece of content is being used very frequently and it’s being engaged with majority of the time. And it’s something that’s not even new and it’s actually a URL from our site, but it’s a blog post. And so being able to. Elevate that to that person who did that work a while ago that was probably long and forgotten and say, Hey, it’s still kicking and it’s doing well, is a really great opportunity for me to have that kind of buy-in from them too. Then the sales side. Honestly, getting that reporting metrics with pitches in digital sales rooms was the carrot on the stack. We are, you know, we’re in our, our business specifically is remote first, so we don’t have a sales floor. We have basically a tight network of salespeople that are extremely talented and very close knit, but they are across the world, and so being able to have. Something that they could learn off of each other and be able to get a little bit of a better understanding of how to direct their conversations. A better understanding of what works for different personas or markets to expedite that go to market and closing, uh, of deals faster that, I mean, it’s something they’ve never had before. It’s something that helps them become leaders within their own groups and being able to show them that value again, like. What keeps you up at night? The deal you’re struggling to curl? Yeah, let’s work on that. Let’s give you some space to be able to create a unique environment for your customer that becomes a collaboration and gives you insight and intel to how to better gauge the next conversation or prioritize your book of business. So really at the end of the day, it wasn’t about selling Highspot itself as a platform. It was about starting from how can I help you do better? What are you struggling with? And then mapping it back to the functionalities of Highspot and building out use cases for them and being able to say, we can deliver on this. And we do. And we are. RR: I gotta say, I love, as you’re explaining this, hearing the marketer brain churning of like, what stories am I gonna tell these folks to get them bought in? What is the value for you? How am I gonna tell this story? I see how it works. KC: It’s, it’s not rocket science. I wish I could come with a magic secret, but really we’re humans at the end of the day, and really, we are looking to, to prove our value and to excel at what we do. And so how can we find the unique ways to help people do that? RR: Yeah, and I think it’s that kind of empathy, that human first approach of like, I know that you’re just, you just wanna do a good job, and I’m here to help you do that. That’s gonna win. You buy in every single day more than any other strategy. KC: It’s the credit. I’m not coming here. To try to force this down your throat or make you do another tool. Let’s think differently about this. This is a partnership with us because when you do well, we all do well, which is cheesy as it sounds, but it’s true. RR: Yeah, absolutely. Switching gears a little bit, you kind of touched on this a little earlier, but I’d like to kind of dig into it because you know it wouldn’t be the Win-Win podcast if we didn’t talk about ai. So I’d love to know, a lot of businesses are, of course, using AI to improve efficiency, and I know that you’ve started to dabble in that a little bit with Highspot. So I’d love if you could kind of walk us through your current AI strategy and some of the ways that you’re using AI in Highspot to support your teams. KC: Yeah, we’ve just started again. We launched about end of June and then I went on vacation for two weeks ’cause that’s how you successfully kick off a new software. Um, but we launched in June and we launched with a very big launch event of a new product that we were rolling out with. So the timing was quite nice. And the idea behind this was, again, trying to, to show to the team that this isn’t a. Content repository. It’s not a dam, this is not a folder. Like this is going to be something that is we’re going to build on and teach as well. At the same time you’re gonna teach it. We started with leaning into, uh, just the search bar functionality, and that’s where I came in and started asking people in the surveys like, where do you go when you have a question? Don’t tell me a person’s name. Where do you go when you have a question? And really starting to source that kind of information to, to live out there. And sometimes it was. As we’d mentioned before, another platform that maybe this content lived in our support software, what have you, or maybe it was a Wiki, how do we start finding that information to be able to provide at the same time and answer those questions? And so starting really simplistic with that, it really is you got to breadcrumb people into a new platform. Otherwise they’re drinking from the fire hose and they’re not absorbing anything. To be able to solve for X pretty quickly. Was a nice way to start in. A, getting people to adopt the AI functionality of being able to surface information or content. B. Start teaching it. Vernacular and start giving the feedback of whether answers were right or not and start building that at scale. I then opened up into the full copilot feature and started showing them it’s smarter than chat GPT, because it’s really honed in only on us. So you know that your messaging is in there. And I was, don’t just ask a question of saying, what is yield forecast? Get that and say, okay. You can also do this, you can say, write a message to a retail persona, because we have our personas built into the platform, content across the board with bullet points of what the value props that are important to their outcomes. And in real time during the demo, it built the template for it. It was completely on point. I said, copy, paste that. Go BDR, go. And then from there it’s, it’s about leaning into where the AI copilot is within the tools itself. So. You know, if I am coming on board to Keble and I’m starting off, oftentimes people are gonna point you go look at these slides, go look at these PDFs, da, da, da. But having that copilot feature there to be able to ask a question rather than have to go to my manager and ask questions and it scrapes the content to be able to provide me an answer, is such an efficiency for that person to be, again, like self-service enabled, but also takes that kind of. I don’t wanna call it low value opportunity for a manager. It’s, it’s obviously they’re there for questions, but this gives it space for when they do have their one-on-ones to go into really distinct questions and really distinct trainings and coachings they need to be focusing on versus understanding a platform solution. And then from there that having that knowledge check that’s in there as well. Like that’s to me, another thing I don’t have to build out. As another training tool, like that’s a just off the bat kind of training tool. Those are the kind of things we’re currently leaning in. Again, we’re only almost two months in, but the fact of the matter is, is it’s already proving its value in terms of elevating what we are ingesting into the tool, into something that is solving for a problem. That has been on every single enablement survey since it started as one of the biggest issues is I need an education I can’t find. What I’m looking for. RR: Well, as you’re kind of iterating down the line, ’cause I know as you said, only like two months or so into this and there’s always room for improvement, figuring things out, all of that fun stuff. I’d like to know if you could share where you’re going. What do you think may be the next step in you and your AI vision, and how do you think that strategy might evolve over time? KC: It’s a really great question. We, as a company use AI to drive efficiencies at scale without taxing our teams. So finding business efficiencies, being able to build something more into AI within Highspot, that becomes almost like another me or another presence of a product engineer or you know, a sales. Guidance tool, which I know you guys are working on, I think soon we’ll be delivering. But how do we replicate support networks or feedback or guidance or recommendation? How do we elevate that and again, iterate? How do we constantly build on the value of this tool and how we are creating a smaller gap between the first start of a customer conversation? To not just closing of a deal, but how do we get smarter about what we’re saying? How do we get smarter about discovery questions? What are the hidden gems of things that we should be bringing up? How, how are we using AI to elevate our conversations, to onboard people faster, to really make sure that we are leaning in the right direction with the customer? And at the end of the day, showing the value. And you know, it’s sometimes hard in these situations to show value. It takes time, but what are the ways that we can show value? And I think a lot of the features that the AI even currently are doing are really starting to check that box. But I’m constantly, I am a self-proclaimed nerd. What more can we do? How can we get hacky with it? What are things that we can think about that are existing that we could think about from a different lens? And I really do think it’s about. Thinking in a world where I think a lot of us are still working remote or hybrid and we don’t have that sales floor, we don’t have our manager sit in two seats down. Product is not, you know, on the second floor, how do we create a situation where we can create a digital office or digital network where we’re able to have whatever content or information or what have you. ’cause we all know you can pretty much put darn near everything into a Highspot. How do we make it so that. It takes it off the paper. And how can AI help us with that? RR: Well, I really enjoyed that vision. I think you’re thinking about it from like every angle. I think you and the team are obviously doing some really cool things with Highspot so far that I feel like I haven’t heard from too many of our customers. You’re creating a really wonderful digital office, and so I can’t wait to see kind of how it evolves and gets more connected over time as you bring more things in. I would like to maybe, you know, we talked a little bit about the future and we jumped ahead. Maybe walk back a little bit into the past because. You know, you’re still early in your journey, like you said, but we’ve heard some really great things from your account team so far. For instance, after launching Highspot, you had it just one week. You had already driven 83% adoption. So I’d love to know, and I’m sure our listeners would love to know too, how did you do that? How did you drive such early adoption? How did you get reps excited? I know you touched on it a little bit, but if you have maybe like a, a step by step or anything for us. KC: So I will be completely honest that this is not my first rodeo. I actually, in working at Criteo, which is another ad tech company, I started off in sales there. I was an account strategist and we were working with large books of business and we were working with complex software that was constantly evolving and. Again, tale as old as time. Oh, this deck is outta date. God, you know, it’s, it’s that same thing, and I worked my way up into creating a head of enablement role for the idea that the same premise I began with is we need to declutter. We need to lean in technology that doesn’t duplicate, that uns silos and provides that layer of education, provides the clarity of the message and provides the trust in what you are sharing is accurate up to date and you feel confident in doing it. And so I rolled it out there. I think we had like 1200. People using it at that space that included more than sales. ’cause I will say I don’t see this as just a sales enablement platform. This is a unified space for a business. As I said, the adoption goes beyond the salespeople using it. It goes into the business. Aligning and using this as a single source of truth for how people are going to be approached with information or finance answers. And so that started there as well. And then, uh, my most recent company I work with was a company called Tulip. They are into another services software, and they had the same, it’s the same issue. It was a very complex product that was very niche for each customer, and it was a little wild west in terms of what content was being built. It wasn’t that it was wrong, it was just how are we learning from it? What if so-and-so’s got a deck that’s killing it and we’re not using it? And so being able to come to them and say, let’s create this as a collaborative space versus let’s, you know, it was a much smaller organization, so less of like wrangling the cats and more of like, let’s learn from each other and let’s, then that’s where the digital sales rooms really became key because there was so much information provided. How do you keep tabs on that? And again, here at Kevel it was, we’ve got a lot out there we’re, it was kind of a combination of the two actually. We’re a very niche platform that is wonderful in the fact that it’s flexible and allows the customer to do a thousand different things to solve for their problem, but that also means there’s a thousand different things you need to understand. So how do we get our hands around the thing and how do we learn from each other because we’re a smaller group. And so I think both from a background of sales. From a background of learning, those were the situations very different in terms of what we were going against. But at the end of the day, it really came down to that value prop is what keeps you up at night. And I know it sounds really simple, but I will constantly lean into that. It’s hard to do at scale, but I think you can find a couple of things, particularly looking at the larger business working at Criteo. It’s not different. How much money is in your bank, how, how, you know big your business is. We’re all going to try to service the same customers and we’re probably all struggling with similar things. So what can I do for you? That’s primarily been, and it’s, it’s, it’s a lot of upfront work, but once you get ’em, you get ’em and they believe in it, and then they become your champions. You’ve got a product that’s there for life. RR: Yeah. Well, thank you for breaking that down for us. I think, you know, sometimes with problems like these, it’s like this is such a big issue. I have no idea how I can even wrap my head around it. But just having that, what am I dealing with? Why is it an issue? Where do I wanna go? And just being able to walk through that kind of thought experiment is so helpful. KC: And don’t do it alone. Get that champion. I’m a one woman team and I have a kid, and she’s, she’s needy, so don’t do it alone. Find those champions, find those people that you know are trusted in their internal teams and have them be boots on the ground. RR: Absolutely. Aside from, you know, one week immediate, it feels like success for you guys. I’d love to know, since implementing Highspot, what. Business results have you seen, do you have any wins that you could share or accomplishments that you’re particularly proud of? KC: Yeah, our sales cycles are a little long, so it’ll be a little bit before we actually see kind of attributed revenue to things. But what I can see in looking at the data is I am seeing that people are engaging with multiple pieces of content that has never been engaged with before. We’re learning a lot from it. Primarily, I’ll say, being able to see the information from certain digital sales rooms of what customers are engaging with. And so we’re looking at those, not just the view through rates, but the multiple times viewing and the downloading. It’s giving us the ability to move faster in terms of, okay, they’re at stage one. This is what was impactful at stage one, everybody. Stage one. Let’s use these pieces of content to have these conversation. Okay, stage two, these are really helpful here and. Perfect for emea. I think without being able to present numbers quite yet, I can physically see these sales teams collaborating more and understanding what’s impactful at each stage to each customer to be able to. Streamline their conversations a little bit better to be able to have a little more outcome focused or feature focused ways of what’s important to them right now and what kind of collateral do they want to ingest at this point in the sales cycle. And I think ultimately my prediction is that this is going to help expedite the time to close of sale is because we’re going to get smarter about who cares about what. How they want to see that information. And then from there, being able to lean more into what actually moves along to a sale. Additionally, we’re from at least an internal standpoint, we’re seeing the engagement by the teams in terms of the content and how often they’re logging in. And we’ve seen a 25% increase in time spent in Highspot month over month. At this point. We know that there will be business results. But we know it’s not just about that. So we’re working our way there, but at the same time, while people are adopting it and we’re seeing that, we’re also still able to get those little learning insights that are going to help drive the business in incremental ways. And that’s been incredibly helpful to show to leadership as well, to be able to show them that they’re using the tool, customers are engaging in the tool, and we’re able to get that intel and be able to have these more fruitful conversations. And we’ll start seeing the benefits of this. The more we engage, the more we sound, the more we we dig in. RR: Well, I’m really glad to hear that you’re seeing those early wins that will over time compound into some of those things that you’re looking for, and you’re seeing those successes that you can take back and be like, look, we’re doing what we want to. It just takes a little time to build there, so we’ll have to check back with you down the line and see how things are going. I’ve just got one last question for you, which is that I’d love to know if you could share the biggest piece of advice you would have. For other marketing leaders who are looking to improve GTM efficiency and maybe find those hacky solutions for it. KC: Again, I’m not gonna blow your minds with this, but I think a lot of us tend to not engage with people so much as more as we used to when we were in offices, and I found that. People are most often, I mean, we’re always willing to talk about ourselves, right? And we most often will go to the negative of things that we are struggling with. And it really was sitting down with these either key stakeholders or these who I consider the sales team my customers. It’s really sitting down and having conversations with them. RR: Amazing. Well, I think, you know, you said it’s not mind blowing advice, but I think sometimes that’s what you need. You need the reminder that these are the things that work. Do them. Yeah. So I think that’s fantastic advice to close with. I have to say thank you so much for joining us. It has been such a pleasure to chat with you. Thank you. To our audience, thank you for listening to this episode of the Win-Win podcast. Be sure to tune in next time for more insights on how you can maximize anything that success with Highspot.

Send us a textDrew Bent leads Education as part of Anthropic's Beneficial Deployments. He also co-founded the tutoring non-profit Schoolhouse.world with Sal Khan. Prior to that, he wrote code at Khan Academy, taught high school math, and has been tutoring students for over a decade. Drew has degrees in physics & CS from MIT, and an education master's from Stanford.

In a couple of months, the American Association of Municipal Executives will be launching an online directory that will allow candidates to rate and review executive recruiters and recruitment firms. Under the current system, there is no mechanism or vehicle in place to give candidates a voice or to allow their concerns to be raised or addressed. By creating this directory, the AAME will be able to communicate the concerns of its members to HR directors and elected officials as they go through the RFP process and help influence their decision making process. The ultimate goal is to help create a recruitment process that compels the recruiters to treat candidates better and punish those that do not give the candidates the respect and professional courtesy they deserve. SHOW NOTES Link to fundraiser and benefit auction Facebook page for Roxton, Texas city manager Janet Wheeler. Flyer includes QR code for Venmo donations being collected by Monica Helm or you can Venmo here: @monicahelm Link to GiveSendGo fundraiser for Scott Whitaker's legal fund. He is the former town manager for Summerfield, North Carolina. AAME MEMBERSHIP: To join the American Association of Municipal Executives (AAME), sign up at this link: https://community.aame.org/ AAME JOB BOARD: The AAME has a free job board exclusively focused on executive and senior level local government recruitments. To post a job, go to: https://jobs.aame.org/ SUPPORT THE PODCAST: Subscribe to my FREE weekly newsletter hosted on LinkedIn. It is called the "City Manager News & Job Board" newsletter and can be found here: https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/city-manager-rtrs-job-board-7164683251112992768/ If you would like to support the podcast by making a donation, please use the "Buy Me A Coffee" link. Please rate and review the podcast on Apple or your preferred platform if you enjoy the show. It helps tremendously. But more importantly, refer your friends and peers to podcast through personal conversations and posts on your social media platforms. Joe Turner's LinkedIn Page Note: Page may contain affiliate links. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

Steven Forth is the founder and CEO of Ibbaka and by far Impact Pricing's most frequent guest. He's currently developing ValueIQ, a set of agents for pricing and value advisory work that will soon be available for broader use. In this episode, Steven discusses his recent research comparing agent strategies across four major pricing software companies, explores the fundamental question of how many agents is optimal, and reveals how AI is transforming both the buying and selling process in ways most companies aren't prepared for.   Why you have to check out today's podcast: Learn how the four major pricing software companies (Pros, Vendavo, Zilliant, PriceFX) approach agent development differently. Discover the key difference between role-based and task-based agent design strategies. Understand how AI will fundamentally change B2B buying processes and what that means for pricing.   "Start using AI to get a deeper understanding of how your customers are buying. Because if you don't understand how your customers are buying and buying using AI, you're not going to be able to price properly." – Steven Forth   Topics Covered:  02:07 – ValueIQ introduction: Steven's new agent platform for pricing and value advisory work  06:34 – Defining agents: The difference between true agentic AI and wrapped LLM functionality  10:49 – Sales agent complexity: Breaking down the many tasks salespeople perform and agent granularity 12:35 – Pricing agents vs. features: How to decide between individual pricing and bundling strategies  15:55 – The future of pricing models: Why "good, better, best" packaging may disappear in 2-3 years  21:05 – AI's role in B2B buying: How AI intermediaries will transform RFP processes and vendor selection  25:06 – Understanding AI-powered customers: Why companies must learn how their buyers use AI in purchasing decisions   Key Takeaways: "When I saw that PriceFX announced that it had more than 125 agents... I thought, huh, that's kind of a jaw-dropping number. I don't think I could generate 125 agents for pricing software." – Steven Forth "The role of AI in the buying process is more important than the role of AI in the sales process." – Steven Forth "You're going to be creating more content, not less. But that content is primarily going to be consumed by AIs." – Steven Forth "I think that many of the common packaging assumptions such as good, better, best are going to dissolve away over the next two or three years." – Steven Forth   Resources Mentioned: Michael Mansard's 14-factor model: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelmansard/    Connect with Steven Forth: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenforth/  Email: steven@ibbaka.com   Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com  

In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Ben Hills, Founder and CEO of Iris, to discuss how to scale presales teams effectively while avoiding burnout. They explore the difference between healthy high performance and unsustainable overwork, the role of AI in streamlining repetitive tasks like RFPs, and practical strategies for building scalable processes that enhance rather than replace human expertise. To join the show live, follow the Presales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT. Follow the Hosts Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/ Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/ Connect with Ben Hills: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminhills/ Links and Resources Mentioned Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack Iris: https://heyiris.ai/ Timestamps 00:00 Welcome 04:04 Iris 05:14 Ben's background 14:29 Healthy high performance vs burnout 21:55 Common scaling mistakes and the headcount trap 29:14 Effective AI tools for presales teams 35:04 The future of AI-to-AI RFP processes 37:46 Final advice on embracing AI Key Topics Covered Understanding Burnout vs. High Performance Why burnout isn't just about hours worked The importance of connecting work to larger purpose and outcomes Creating time-bound periods of intense work with clear endpoints Scaling Without Adding Headcount The "mythical man month" problem in presales Building playbooks and processes before hiring Separating "in the business" vs "on the business" work The Rocks, Pebbles, Sand Framework Planning for big quarterly tasks (rocks) Managing predictable weekly activities (pebbles) Handling unexpected fire drills (sand) AI Tools That Actually Work RFP automation and response generation Call transcript analysis for product feedback Demo automation with synthetic data Why AI SDRs haven't lived up to the hype The Future of RFPs and AI Model Control Protocol (MCP) for AI-to-AI communication Maintaining personalization in automated processes The buyer's perspective on RFP proliferation