A Healthier Michigan Podcast

Artificial sweeteners are everywhere; they promise the sweetness we crave without the calories or sugar. But are they better for you or just marketed that way? On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Registered Dietitian Shanthi Appelö. Together, they discuss artificial sweeteners, different kinds of sugars and what's really the best option for you.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:What are artificial sweeteners?How does your body process artificial sweeteners?What are the different forms of sweeteners?Are these sweeteners safe?

In this episode, we capture authentic perspectives from conference attendees on the challenges of health care affordability and its wide-reaching impact across Michigan. Business leaders, policymakers, and small business owners share how affordability issues affect their daily lives and decision-making. Stakeholders agree that collaborative solutions are needed to address these challenges, with many recognizing the importance of partnership across sectors. The episode also highlights how Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan is actively engaged in both leading and participating in efforts to find and implement meaningful solutions for a more affordable health care system.Guests:Ryan MaibachLina Hourani-HarajliCarla Walker- MillerRick BakerDr. Bernard CostelloEmily Gerkin GuerrantKurt BrauerJamie Westrick

On this episode, we highlight Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan's nonprofit mission and its investments aimed at improving community health, reducing disparities, and addressing the long-term drivers of health care costs. Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan's social mission is central to advancing both health and affordability across Michigan. Through investments made by the Michigan Health Endowment Fund, the Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan Foundation, and support for safety net providers, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan is helping to strengthen communities and support those most in need. The episode explores how addressing social determinants and root causes of health leads to better outcomes and reduces long-term costs. We also discuss the impact of uncompensated care on the entire health care system and the importance of supporting community health as an essential part of building a sustainable, affordable health care system for everyone.Guests:•Tiffany Albert• Jason Maciejewski• Mary Lewis

In this episode, we feature an honest conversation with small business owners about the rising costs of health insurance and the difficult trade-offs they face to offer coverage to their employees. Employers share their firsthand experiences with affordability challenges, highlighting the real-world impact of escalating health care expenses on their businesses and lives. The discussion explores how Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan is partnering with employers to manage costs while maintaining access and quality for employees. Solutions such as value-based care, pharmacy cost management, and population health programs are examined as part of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan's commitment to creating sustainable, long-term affordability—emphasizing strategic partnerships over short-term cost shifting.Guests:•Andy Hetzel•Brian Calley•Mark Ware•Alan C. Young

In this episode, we explore how Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan is partnering with major health systems and providers to transform the way health care is delivered and paid for in Michigan. By working collaboratively with Corewell Health, Henry Ford Health, and a broad network of providers, Blue Cross is shifting away from the traditional fee-for-service model—which pays for the volume of care provided—and moving toward value-based care that rewards better patient outcomes. This approach aims to improve the quality of care, reduce unnecessary or duplicative services, and make health care more affordable in the long run. Achieving true affordability requires close alignment and cooperation not only between insurers and providers, but also with employers who share in the goal of accessible, high-quality care for all.Guests:Tricia KeithBrian PetersRob CasalouTina Freese DeckerTodd Van Tol

Forty years of experience in medicine brings a lot of knowledge, wisdom and health information. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Dr. Jim Grant, Chief Medical Officer at Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, who is retiring after more than 30 years in medicine. Together, they discuss his career, how medicine has evolved and what he wants you to know about your health and prevention as he reflects on his experiences.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:A 40-year careerWhat has changed in the medical industryImportant health tipsDr. Grant's future plans 

Mental health struggles are not only difficult to deal with, but they can also be challenging to talk about. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Dr. Amy Milewski, Vice President of Clinical Partnerships and Associate Chief Medical Officer. Together, they discuss tools to talk to your family about mental health and why it's so important.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:The stigma around mental healthHow to start talking about mental healthWhy your family's mental health history is important

Welcome to the A Healthier Michigan Podcast. We hope to give you a tip or two to improve your health and stay healthier longer.

It's that time of the year again: coughing, sneezing and watery eyes. Spring not only brings lovely gardens, but also allergies. For some, these can be seasonal. For others, it's a year-round struggle. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Senior Medical Director of Commercial Markets Dr. Michael Kobernick. Together, they discuss allergies, which ones are common, what they are and how they happen. In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:What are allergies?How do allergies affect our bodies?How do people develop allergies?How can we relieve symptoms? 

Protein is added to everything, including waffles, chips and even your Starbucks drink. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Registered Dietitian Shanthi Appelö to discuss protein and whether you are eating the right amount or too much.In this episode of the A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:What is the right amount of protein?What is the best way to get protein?Why is protein in everything now?Do our protein needs change?

The average person spends 4.5 hours a day on their smartphone. And starting your day with a burst of information, comparison culture and breaking news? That can spike stress. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Dr. Amy Milewski, Vice President of Clinical Partnerships and Associate Chief Medical Officer. Together, they discuss doomscrolling, your smartphone and whether you should be checking it in the morning. In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:What happens when you check your phone?What are better ways to start the day?What's happening in your brain when you wake up?Tips to limit screen time

We all know we should be getting seven to eight hours of sleep. After all, we spend nearly one-third of our lives doing it. But here's something most people don't realize: not all sleep is created equal. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Dr. Peter Graham, Chief Medical Officer of Blue Care Network. Together, they discuss what deep sleep is, how to get more of it and what happens during deep sleep. In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:What is deep sleep?How to sleep betterWhat happens during deep sleep?How much of our sleep is deep sleep?

We've all felt it: you're cruising through your day and suddenly—bam—it's 3 p.m. and your eyelids get heavy, your focus dips and a nap sounds like the best idea anyone has ever had. Why does this happen? On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Dr. Crystal Lee, Medical Director in Clinical Decision Support. Together, they discuss the midday crash, what it is and ways to minimize it.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:The midday crashWhy it happensHow to prevent it

Olive oil, avocado oil, canola oil, coconut oil and even the classic vegetable oil. With so many options available, which oils should we be cooking with? On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Registered Dietitian Shanthi Appelö. Together, they discuss the different types of cooking oils, which you should be using and why.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:Healthy ways to cook with oilCalories and fat in oilsSmoke pointWhat oils should you have?

Rising drug prices impact premiums and people alike. Hear how Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan is putting pharmacy innovations to work to reduce costs and expand access for our members and customers.

Sleep aids are everywhere, and new sleep trends are emerging as sleep becomes a major wellness priority. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Laura Hatton, Manager of Behavioral Health Parity at Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan. Together, they discuss color noise, how they can help you sleep and the differences between them.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:Different color noisesHow noise can help you sleepWhy different sounds appeal to different people

It seems like everyone is walking around with a water bottle and that's a good thing. However, water bottles can pose a sneaky health risk. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Dr. Jessica Huhn, Medical Director for Provider Engagement at Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan. Together, they discuss the benefits of water bottles and how they can become a health hazard.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore: The importance of hydrationWhy you need to clean your water bottleHow to clean your water bottle

With the start of every year, health trends begin to emerge. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Registered Dietitian Shanthi Appelö. Together, they discuss some of the health trends you should be paying attention to and some you could even try yourself.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:FibermaxxingProteinVinegarGut health and more

Binge drinking is more common than you think—discover its hidden risks to your body and mind in this must-listen episode.Dr. William Beecroft, Medical Director of Behavioral Health at Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, explores the surprising ways binge drinking affects your physical health, mental well-being and overall lifestyle. From short-term consequences to long-term risks, you'll learn the warning signs of excessive alcohol use and practical strategies to reduce harm. Hosted by Chuck Gaidica, this episode explores:What is binge drinking?What does alcohol do to the body?How to know if you're drinking too often?Ways to drink less

When the daylight hours get shorter, it can really affect our mood. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Senior Health Care Analyst Josh McCullough. Together, they discuss the winter blues, happy lights and other ways to improve your mood.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:Why we need sunlightDo “Happy Lights” really work?How Vitamin D can help us in winter monthsWhat other factors can improve our mood

Both short term and long-term stress can have a negative impact on our health. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Care Management Physician Dr. Angela Seabright. Together, they discuss the effects of stress on us both mentally and physically.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How stress affects usHow does stress increase risk of disease?Who does stress effect the most?How to manage stress

Anxiety vs Stress: What's the difference? It's important to know and understand the difference. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Medical Director of Behavioral Health, Dr. William Beecroft. Together they discuss how stress and anxiety are caused, symptoms of each and how to deal with them.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How are anxiety and stress different?What can cause them?Can there be one without the other?What are some strategies to help with them?

When our schedules get busy, we have to be able to stick to our routines. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Senior Medical Director of Provider Engagement, Dr. Heather Stamat. Together they discuss how important it is to have healthy goals and how to prioritize yourself when your schedule is limited.  In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:  How to eat healthier on the go How planning can prevent stress How to keep a routine Why it's important to put yourself first 

Red Light Therapy: is it a scam or does it have any real health benefits? On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Clinical Director of Blue Care Network, Dr. Peter Graham. Together they discuss Red Light Therapy, its effects and the differences between professional care and at-home devices. In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore: What are the benefits, if any, of Red Light Therapy?Do smaller devices have a positive effect?Are there any negatives?Should you see a professional?

More than just the latest TikTok trend, fibermaxxing has real benefits. On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Registered Dietitian Shanthi Appelö, together they discuss what the trend is, why you need fiber and how much you should have.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:What are the benefits of fiber?What are some easy ways to increase fiber intake?How much does the average adult need?What does the “maxxing” trend really mean?

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by the Director of Behavioral Health & Planning for BCBSM, Dr. Julia Isaacs. Together, they talk ways to enjoy exercising, what is temptation bundling?, and what other strategies are there to change your mindset?In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How much exercise you need?What tools are there to help you workout more?How can you avoid the gym and still workout?What does it mean to gamify?

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by the Clinical Director of Blue Care Network, Dr. Peter Graham. Together, they talk about the AQI, what is it?, and how it can help prepare you for the day.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How to read the AQI?Who is most effected by air quality?What changes air quality?What you can do to help yourself

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Care Management Physician for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Dr. Angela Seabright. Together, they talk about the good and bad of energy drinks, what's in them, and some other ways you could get the energy you need to go about your day.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:What's in energy drinksHow they effect the bodyAre they a danger to uswhat are some alternatives

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Registered Dietitian for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Shanthi Appelö. Together, they explore ways to combat inflammation, why its bad long term and how small changes in your lifestyle can help fight it.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:What causes inflammationWhat some of the long term effects can beDiets that can reduce inflammationOther ways to fight inflammation

Affordability isn't just about medical bills—it's about addressing what drives health in the first place. When people have stable housing, access to healthy food and support for mental health, they use the health care system less and live healthier lives. In this episode we explore how health care affordability starts far upstream—from food security and housing stability to behavioral health and chronic disease prevention. This episode will spotlight community-based partnerships that Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan has invested in to address these social determinants of health and ultimately reduce unnecessary costs across the system. Key Takeaways: · Community health is affordability. · Blue Cross is investing in upstream solutions that work toward health care affordability, access to health care and a healthier Michigan · Partnerships are scalable and sustainable. · Data backs this approach. · The future of affordability depends on partnership.

Uninsured individuals often rely on hospitals for emergency care, the most expensive part of the health system. That cost doesn't disappear—it shows up in everyone's insurance premiums. This episode helps reframe affordability by examining how charity care, Medicaid, and federal subsidies work together to manage that cost upstream. In this episode, we explore the hidden costs of uncompensated care, how hospitals and insurers work together to support vulnerable populations, and the impact of federal and state policy decisions on health insurance coverage rates in Michigan. Key Takeaways: · Uncompensated care impacts everyone. · Safety net programs are essential to affordability. · Policy decisions carry affordability consequences . · We need upstream solutions.

Health care affordability isn't just a consumer problem—it's a system accountability issue. Consolidated health systems promised lower costs. Insurers and employers are demanding more value. This episode brings together health systems, insurers and business leaders to explore how each player in the health care system can do more—collectively—to lower the cost of coverage. From legacy partnerships to forward-looking value-based models, what does meaningful collaboration look like?Guests:•Tricia Keith•Brian Peters•Brian Calley

Health care affordability isn't just a consumer problem—it's a system accountability issue. Consolidated health systems promised lower costs. Insurers and employers are demanding more value. This episode brings together health systems, insurers and business leaders to explore how each player in the health care system can do more—collectively—to lower the cost of coverage. From legacy partnerships to forward-looking value-based models, what does meaningful collaboration look like? Guests: •Tricia Keith •Brian Peters •Brian Calley

From aging to genetics, we're exploring the balance between nutrition and metabolism in this four-part series.On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Registered Dietitian for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Shanthi Appelö. Together, they explore the science behind nutrient timing.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:What is nutrient timing?How intermittent fasting can have benefits like reducing calorie intake and stabilizing insulin levels, but prolonged fasting may slow metabolism.How timing certain nutrients, like having protein at breakfast or lighter meals in the evening, can help manage energy levels and digestion throughout the day.How developing a regular eating pattern and being mindful of hunger cues can support healthy weight maintenance over time.

From aging to genetics, we're exploring the balance between nutrition and metabolism in this four-part series.On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Registered Dietitian for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Shanthi Appelö. Together, they explore how the nutritional value of food plays a bigger role than just calorie count.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How nutrient-dense foods such as vegetables, whole grains, and legumes are high in vitamins, minerals, fiber, and other beneficial nutrients, beyond just calories.How consuming nutrient-dense foods can support overall health, immune function, and disease prevention, beyond just weight management.How it's still possible to overeat even nutrient-dense foods, so calorie awareness is still important.Examples of high-calorie, low-nutrient foods.Calories aren't the full story, but timing our nutrients could be the next big piece of the puzzle. Tune in for our final episode, where we'll break down nutrient timing and if it can optimize our long-term health.

From aging to genetics, we're exploring the balance between nutrition and metabolism in this four part series.On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Registered Dietitian for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Shanthi Appelö. Together, they explore how to optimize food choices to fuel our body.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How different types of food affect energy levels and metabolismNutrient-rich foods that can help boost energy throughout the dayIf there's specific foods that can improve metabolic efficiency The connection between blood sugar regulation and sustained energy levelsIn the next episode, we'll go beyond calorie counts to uncover the truth about nutrient quality and whether it matters for your metabolism.

From aging to genetics, we're exploring the balance between nutrition and metabolism in this four part series.On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Registered Dietitian for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Shanthi Appelö. Together, they explore the truth about metabolism.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:What exactly is metabolism?How much of our metabolism is determined by genetics.Common myths about speeding up our metabolism.Ways to optimize our metabolic healthJoin us in our next episode as we explore the power of nutrition and how our food choices can energize us and support our metabolic health.

In this series, we're exploring the balance between what you can and can't control when it comes to your health.On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Senior Vice President and Chief Medical Officer for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Dr. James Grant. Together, they explore how small changes to our lifestyle can positively impact longevity.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:The most impactful healthy habits people can adopt to reduce the risk of chronic disease.Small achievable steps to build a healthy lifestyle.Maintaining healthy habits over the long term.

In this series, we're exploring the balance between what you can and can't control when it comes to your health.On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Senior Medical Director for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Dr. Raymond Hobbs. Together, they explore how to embrace the natural aging process while focusing on the areas of our health we can actively maintain.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How lifestyle habits like diet, exercise, and avoiding tobacco can significantly impact aging and health through epigenetic changes.How activities that stimulate the mind, like learning new skills, are important for maintaining cognitive function.How building physical and mental resilience through things like social connections, purpose, and managing stress are crucial for healthy aging.How regular checkups with a doctor to monitor and address health risks are recommended, even if you feel healthy.Heading into our final episode of this series, we'll look at the role of lifestyle in disease prevention – especially when faced with risk factors beyond our control. Join us to learn how small changes we make today can help protect our health in the long run

In this series, we're exploring the balance between what you can and can't control when it comes to your health.On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Care Management Physician of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Dr. Angela Seabright. Together, they explore the role of genetics and family history in our health.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How genes provide a blueprint for how the body functions, and genetic mutations can increase the risk of certain diseases.How genetic testing can help identify inherited disease risks, but should be done with guidance from a doctor.How advances in genetics and gene therapy offer hope for future treatments that can target the root causes of diseases.How even though individuals can't change their genetic makeup, they can take control of their health through positive lifestyle choices.While we can't change our genetics, aging brings its own set of challenges. In our next episode, we'll talk about how to embrace the changes that come with age while focusing on what you can control to thrive at any stage of life.

in this series, we're exploring the balance between what you can and can't control when it comes to your health.On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Care Management Physician of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Dr. Angela Seabright. Together, they explore how small changes to our lifestyle now can make a big difference for our health long-term.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How there are many factors that impact health, including lifestyle choices, aging, genetics, and family history.How nutrition, exercise, sleep, emotional wellness, and limiting exposure to toxins like smoking and excessive alcohol can have a big impact on our health.How overcoming barriers to health changes, such as lack of time, medical conditions, or social determinants, requires a flexible and strategic approach.The importance of getting regular preventive care.Next up, we'll take a closer look at the impact our genetics and family history have on our health. Ever wonder how much your health story is written in your DNA? Join us as we explore what you inherit, what you can't change, and how understanding these factors can empower you.

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Senior Health Care Analyst for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Josh McCullough. Together, they explore how we can better manage stress and set boundaries this holiday season.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How the holidays can be a source of stress for many due to factors like social obligations, gift-giving, family dynamics, and personal expectations.Practical tips including setting boundaries and expectations early, considering alternative gift-giving options, and focusing on quality time rather than quantity.Self-care, open communication, and managing expectations during the holiday season in a healthy way.

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by VP of Clinical Partnerships & Associate CMO for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Dr. Amy Milewski. Together, they explore how practicing gratitude can bring us better health and positive relationships.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How practicing gratitude for 15 minutes a day, 5 days a week for 6 weeks can improve mental wellbeing.How gratitude can reduce stress, lower blood pressure, and lessen anxiety and depression.How expressing gratitude can deepen connections with loved ones by strengthening social bonds.Incorporating gratitude into family routines

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Senior Health Care Analyst for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Josh McCullough. Together, they explore ways to build resilience through stress, develop better strategies to cope and not let the cycle repeat itself.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:Practical steps individuals can take to improve their stress resilienceEarly warning signs that stress is impacting both mental and physical healthHow someone can effectively manage chronic stressThe impact social support has on managing stress

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Jessica Chester, Licensed Clinical Social Worker and University Counselor of the Counseling and Psychological Services Department for Wayne State University. Together, they discuss what is doomscrolling and how to stop it.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How doomscrolling can lead to feelings of anxiety and being unable to disconnect from the constant stream of information.Factors contributing to doomscrollingWarning signs of an unhealthy doomscrolling habit and strategies to break the habitMaintaining a balanced news diet and seeking out positive or constructive content to help protect one's mental health while staying informed.

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Ann Marie Wakula, certified personal trainer and macro nutrition coach. Together, they discuss how we can navigate colder months to keep our bodies active when all one might feel like doing is sitting on the couch.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:Setting small, realistic goals to maintain an active routine and healthy habitsFinding ways to incorporate movement throughout the day, even in small amountsTrying new winter activities and sports to stay motivatedPrioritizing sleep, nutrition, and self-care to support overall wellnessDeveloping a balanced plan and schedule to stay consistent with healthy behaviorsYou can learn more about Ann Marie at her website, or Instagram page.

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Senior Health Care Analyst for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, Josh McCullough. Together, they explore how to spot signs that work has become your identity.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore the importance of seeking balance, setting boundaries, and getting input from trusted support networks to prevent work from overshadowing other meaningful aspects of life.

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Susanna Rickman, Suicide Prevention Manager for Gryphon Place. Together, they discuss ways to reduce the stigma surrounding mental health.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How talking openly about mental health issues, without shame or stigma, can be an important step to break down barriers.How listening for potential warning signs and being willing to have difficult conversations can help connect people to support.How mental health professionals and community resources can help provide guidance and normalize discussions about mental health.

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Dr. Angela Seabright, Care Management Physician of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan. Together, they discuss our biological age, or the age your body functions, and what we can do to improve it.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:How biological age can be improved throughDietExerciseSleepStress management

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Sydney Lipsey, Manager of Behavioral Health Strategy and Planning for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan. Together, they discuss ways to overcome perfectionism.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:Signs of perfectionismEffects of perfectionism on mental health and wellbeingWays to overcome perfectionism

On this episode, Chuck Gaidica is joined by Nick Nerbonne, Media, Digital and Industry Relations Director for Travel Michigan. Together, they discuss Michigan destinations to check out this fall.In this episode of A Healthier Michigan Podcast, we explore:What makes Michigan a great destination for fall travelMichigan fall destinations to add to your bucket listBest places for leaf-peeping and enjoying fall foliage