Attribution with Bob McKinnon

Brittany Means is author of the critically acclaimed memoir, “Hell if We Don't Change Our Ways”. Reviews have called it “gut-wrenching and triumphant.” “Readable and rigorous.”  “Brutal and beautiful.'  At its heart, it is a book about family. as Means recounts her complex relationships with her mother, father, brother, and grandparents and eventual guardians. What does it mean when those closest to us hurt us? Is understanding or forgiveness even possible?  How do children make it through it all to find support and love?  This was a particularly moving discussion.  I hope you find it of value.  Links to learn more about:  Brittany Means Hell if We Don't Change Our Ways Subscribe to Moving Up Mondays Substack Newsletter HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by NPR station, WLIW-FM. You can listen on WLIW.org/radio or on NPR One mobile app as well as other major podcast networks. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

In communities across the country, including New York, library budgets and hours are being cut, just at a time when society needs them most. This is in spite of the incredible success that libraries have in bringing people, particularly older adults, together.  Bob McKinnon, host of the podcast, Attribution talks with Eric Klinenberg, NYU sociologist and author of “Palace for the People” which examines the role that third places like libraries play in avoiding isolation. We'll also hear from four Long Island librarians who are creating innovative programs for older adults that reduce isolation and build belonging. For more information, please visit: Palaces For The People: How Social Infrastructure Can Help Fight Inequality, Polarization, And The Decline Of Civic Life Eric Klinenberg Suffolk Cooperative Library System Brentwood Public Library Middle Country Public Library Riverhead Free Library Patchogue-Medford Library Libraries of Belonging  is a WLIW-FM special program that is part of the “Aging Together in New York” initiative from public media stations focusing on social isolation and loneliness among older adults. This program is funded by the New York State Education Department. HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by NPR station, WLIW-FM. You can listen on WLIW.org/radio or on NPR One mobile app as well as other major podcast networks. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.  

It is the simplest of tools designed to help us tackle the complexities of life. It helps reduce errors, remember what's important, assess and reflect on what and how we're doing. Pilots, astronauts, builders and surgeons use them to save lives. What is this elementary yet powerful tool?  A checklist. Is it possible that a simple checklist could do for the growing issue of social isolation among older adults what previous versions have done for saving lives in surgery? Bob McKinnon, host of the podcast Attribution, talks to Sandy Markwood, CEO of US Aging, a national association representing and supporting the network of Area Agencies on Aging, and the organization behind the Social Isolation Self-Assessment Checklist to discuss the promise of this tool.  At the end of the episode, listeners will have the opportunity to self-assess as we review each of the questions on the checklist. For more information on The Checklist and the resources mentioned in this program, please visit: US Aging Eldercare Locator Social Isolation Self-Assessment Checklist The Checklist is a WLIW-FM special program that is part of the “Aging Together in New York” initiative from public media stations focusing on social isolation and loneliness among older adults. This program is funded by the New York State Education Department. HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by NPR station, WLIW-FM. You can listen on WLIW.org/radio or on NPR One mobile app as well as other major podcast networks. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Stephanie Land is the New York Times bestselling author of Maid: Hard Work, Low Pay, and a Mother's Will to Survive which is now the inspiration for the Netflix series of the same name.  Her latest book, Class: A Memoir of Motherhood,  Hunger and Higher Education is out now. During our conversation we talked about the challenges and judgment that she and other single moms have faced simply trying to create a better future for themselves and their children. This was an important conversation that I hope will change the way we see and support single mothers. I hope you enjoy. Links to learn more about:  Stephanie Land Maid: Hard Work, Low Pay, and a Mother's Will to Survive  Maid Netflix limited series   Class: A Memoir of Motherhood,  Hunger and Higher Education    Subscribe to Moving Up Mondays Substack Newsletter HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by NPR station, WLIW-FM. You can listen on WLIW.org/radio or on NPR One mobile app as well as other major podcast networks. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Christopher Zara is the News Editor at Fast Company.  His recent memoir, Uneducated, explores his unlikely journey into the newsroom without the credential of a college degree. During our conversation we talked about both his own story but also more broadly about the role of education - higher and otherwise - in creating opportunities to climb the proverbial ladder.  Links to learn more about:  Christopher Zara Uneducated: A Memoir of Flunking Out, Falling Apart and Finding My Worth Fast Company HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by NPR station, WLIW-FM. You can listen on WLIW.org/radio or on NPR One mobile app as well as other major podcast networks. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Singer/songwriter Joy Oladokun is a master storyteller whose songs have been listened to over forty million times. Her latest album, Proof of Life is being heralded as her breakthrough. We talked about her journey as an artist and her process of making music that “helps myself and others process this world.” Links to learn more about:  Joy Oladokun Proof of Life HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by NPR station, WLIW-FM. You can listen on WLIW.org/radio or on NPR One mobile app as well as other major podcast networks. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.  

Larissa FastHorse is a 2020 MacArthur Fellow, award winning writer/choreographer, and co-founder of Indigenous Direction, the nation's leading consulting company for Indigenous arts and audiences. With her latest work, The Thanksgiving Play, she became the first native American to have her play on Broadway. We talked about her journey to Broadway and how we connect with our culture and each other. I hope you enjoy.  Links to learn more about:  Larissa FastHorse The Thanksgiving Play Indigenous Direction HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis.

Dr. Robert Waldinger, is clinical professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and Director of the Harvard Study of Adult Development. He is a practicing psychiatrist and psychoanalyst and also a Zen priest. We discussed his book The Good Life, co-authored with Marc Schulz, the central role of relationships in our life and what can undermine our ability to be socially fit. The conversation will challenge how and with whom you spend your time. I hope you enjoy.  Links to learn more about:  Robert Waldinger The Good Life Harvard Study on Adult Development Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

This bonus episode of Attribution, ‘Seeing Erin Hagerty', was originally broadcast as a WLIW-FM special program and a part of Chasing the Dream: Poverty, Justice and Opportunity in America, a public media reporting initiative from The WNET Group. Erin Hagerty died last year at the age of 62. By most counts she lived an extraordinary life -  simply by doing things many would consider ordinary. This is an examination not of what she did but how she was seen. By strangers, her family and most importantly how she saw herself. “Seeing Erin Hagerty” is a WLIW-FM special program and a part of Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative The WNET Group, reporting on Poverty, Justice and Opportunity in America.  Bob McKinnon, host of the podcast Attribution, talks with Erin's mother, her four siblings and documentary filmmaker and activist Dan Habib.  Our hope for the next thirty minutes is that you simply see Erin for who she was. Perhaps it will change how you see others too. Links to learn more about: WLIW-FM Dan Habib Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Richard Buery is CEO of Robin Hood, one of the nation's leading anti-poverty organizations. Prior to this role, Rich had worked as Deputy Mayor of New York, where he was the key architect for the city's Pre-K for All initiative. In our conversation, we talked about the many ways in which his work has attempted to alleviate scarcity by leveraging the abundant resources around us and his own background has informed his approach to service. I hope you enjoy. Links to learn more about:  Richard Buery Robin Hood Foundation iMentor Pre-K for All Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

For the last thirty years, Dr. Deepak Chopra  has been at the forefront of the meditation revolution.  His 93rd book, Living in the Light  written with Sarah Platt-Fingerwith. taps into the ancient Indian practice of Royal Yoga and offers an illuminating program for self-realization, bliss, and wholeness. TIME magazine has described Dr. Chopra as “one of their top 100 most influential people.”  In our conversation we talk about this juxtaposition of “being vs. doing”, our journeys to self-realization and what it means to live in the light. While we discussed some heady stuff, it was a free-flowing and down to earth conversation. One I hope you find enlightening. Links to learn more about:  Deepak Chopra Living in the Light Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Brandon Ogbunu is Assistant Professor in the Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology. While his research takes place at the intersection of evolutionary biology, genetics, and epidemiology, it all as he says stems from his own biography.His writing appears not just in academic journals but for Wired, The Atlantic and ESPN among other places. This was a deep and far reaching conversation about the intersection of science, identity and the questions we are driven to explore Links to learn more about:  Brandon Ogbunu The Liberation of RNA - Radio Lab The Hidden Meanings of Gattaca - 25 Years Later Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

This bonus episode of Attribution, ‘The Great Gatsby: Then and Now', was originally broadcast as a WLIW-FM special program and a part of Chasing the Dream: Poverty, Justice and Opportunity in America, a public media reporting initiative from The WNET Group. “I think that this is our great American novel about class. I think you see it on almost every page.” Bob McKinnon, host of the podcast Attribution, talks with Maureen Corrigan, book critic for NPR's Fresh and The Nicky and Jamie Grant Distinguished Professor of the Practice in Literary Criticism at Georgetown University. They discuss her book “So We Read On: How The Great Gatsby Came To Be and Why It Endures.” and what The Great Gatsby can still teach us today, 100 years after the events in the novel take place.  Links to learn more about: WLIW-FM Maureen Corrigan So We Read On: How the Great Gatsby Came to Be and Why It Endures Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Emi Nietfeld is author of Acceptance: A Memoir. Her essays have appeared in New York Times, Longreads, Vice, and Boulevard. This was an incredibly moving and important conversation - one I hope you'll listen to in its entirety as the ending is  particularly poignant. This episode contains descriptions or mentions of eating disorders, mental health issues, and sexual abuse which some listeners may find disturbing. Listener discretion is advised. If you or someone you know might be experiencing any of these issues, please reach out to the appropriate local resources/authorities. Here are some national organizations also providing support.   National Eating Disorder Association National Alliance on Mental Illness RAINN (Rape, Abuse, Incest National Network) Links to learn more about:  Emi Nietfeld Acceptance Horatio Alger Association

Dave Eggers is the acclaimed author of thirty books and the co-founder of several non-profit organizations including 826 Valencia and Voice of Witness. We talked about how we connect with each other, the importance of telling our own stories AND amplifying the voices of others. I hope you enjoy  Links to learn more about:  Dave Eggers Heroes of the Frontier The Every Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius Museum of Rain 826 Valencia Voice of Witness Scholar Match Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Andrea Elliott has documented the lives of poor Americans, Muslim immigrants and other people on the margins of power. She is an investigative reporter for The New York Times and the author of Invisible Child, which has won the 2022 Pulitzer Prize in General Nonfiction. Her book and our conversation were eye-opening. I hope it helps you see better too.  Links to learn more about:  Andrea Elliott Invisible Child Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Kathryn Schulz is a Pulitzer Prize winning staff writer at The New Yorker and the author of Being Wrong: Adventures in the Margin of Error. Her latest book, Lost & Found, is a wonderful and beautiful read. Our conversation touched on topics like life, death, love and loss - helping me see each in a new light.   Links to learn more about:  Kathryn Schulz Lost & Found Being Wrong: Adventures in the Margin of Error When Shipping Containers Sink in the Drink The Moral Judgment of Henry David Thoreau Furious Hours Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Darryl McDaniels is one of the founding members of the legendary hip hop group Run DMC. He is also the author of two memoirs, a line of comic books and a recent children's book, Darryl's Dream. This was an fascinating conversation that touched on many of the struggles that Darryl has faced during his incredible journey.  This episode contains descriptions of suicidal ideation, alcoholism and depression, which some listeners may find disturbing. Listener discretion is advised. If you or someone you know might be considering suicide, please call the National Suicide Prevention Hotline at 1-800-273-8255. For crisis support in Spanish, call 1-888-628-9454. Links to learn more about: Darryl McDaniels Darryl's Dream Run DMC Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

The Reverend Dr. Esau McCaulley is an assistant professor of New Testament at Wheaton College and author of Reading While Black: African American Biblical Interpretation as an Exercise in Hope.He is also a contributing opinion writer for the New York Times, where I came across his essay titled:  “I Grew Up Poor. How Am I Supposed to Raise My Middle-Class Kids?”  This was a moving and provocative conversation that could have gone on for hours as we discussed issues of struggle, poverty, race and faith.  Links to learn more about: Esau McCaulley “I Grew Up Poor. How Am I Supposed to Raise My Middle Class Kids?” Reading While Black: African American Biblical Interpretation as an Exercise in Hope Rev. Esau McCaulley, PhD is an associate professor of New Testament at Wheaton College in Wheaton, IL.  His first book entitled Sharing in the Son's Inheritance was published by T & T Clark in 2019. His second book Reading While Black: African American Biblical Interpretation as an Exercise in Hope was published by IVP academic in 2020.  It has won numerous awards, including Christianity Today's book of the year. His first children's book, Josie Johnson's Hair and the Holy Spirit, will be published by IVP in May 2022. He is a contributing opinion writer for the New York Times. His writings have also appeared in places such as Washington Post, The Religious New Service, and Christianity Today. He is married to Mandy, a pediatrician and navy reservist. Together, they have four wonderful children.

Alissa Quart is Executive director of the Economic Hardship Reporting Project. She is the author of five books of nonfiction, including Squeezed: Why Our Families Can't Afford America, and the forthcoming Bootstrapped: Liberating Ourselves from the American Dream  Alissa also writes for the Guardian, the Washington Post, and the New York Times among others.  It was a great conversation about the stories we tell, the myths we need to dispel and the role of language in helping people overcome hardship.  Links to learn more about: Alissa Quart Economic Hardship Reporting Project Squeezed:  Why Our Families Can't Afford America Bootstrapped: Liberating Ourselves from the American Dream Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Leidy Klotz is a professor of the University of Virginia who studies how we transform things from how they are to how we want them to be. He has written for The Washington Post, Fast Company, The Globe and Mail, and The Behavioral Scientist. We discussed his latest book, Subtract: The Untapped Science of Less and its many implications both on our personal happiness and as a tool for social change.   Links to learn more about: Leidy Klotz Subtract: The Untapped Science of Less Sustainability through Soccer Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

This Bonus Episode of Attribution, ‘A Tale of Two Teachers', was originally broadcast as a WLIW-FM special program and a part of Chasing the Dream: Poverty, Justice and Opportunity in America, a public media reporting initiative from The WNET Group.   Bob McKinnon, host of the podcast Attribution, talks with two married Long Island teachers. They share their extraordinary experiences teaching in different Long Island schools over the course of this challenging year.This special broadcast is not about good schools or bad schools, neither about good or bad students. In fact, it's not about anything good or bad. But it is about the opportunities afforded to our children and the potential they have to pursue their dreams. Our goal is that over the thirty minutes, listeners reflect on how the educational experience may differ from child to child on Long Island. And hopefully this will change the way we see all of our schools and students moving forward.   Links to learn more about: WLIW-FM Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Maria Konnikova is a New York Times best-selling author, journalist, and professional poker player. Her latest book,The Biggest Bluff, is now out in paperback.  It was a fun and fascinating conversation exploring the balance of skill and chance in life. Among the many stories shared was how a chance encounter with a single line in a story she wrote led to my own forthcoming children's book, Three Little Engines.  Links to learn more about: Maria Konnikova The Biggest Bluff America's Surprising Views of Inequality Shai Davidai Three Little Engines Walter Mischel Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Natasha Trethewey is a two-time U.S. Poet Laureate and winner of the Pulitzer Prize for her book of poems, Native Guard. Her latest book is Memorial Drive; A Daughter's Memoir. It was a moving and deeply personal conversation. We talked about the debt we both owe to our mothers and how we examine and reconcile our complicated personal and national histories. Links to learn more about: Natasha Trethewey Memorial Drive: A Daughter's Memoir Native Guard Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.  

Richard Reeves is a senior fellow at the Brooking Institution whose research focuses on the middle class, inequality and social mobility. His latest book is Dream Hoarders: How the American Upper Middle Class Is Leaving Everyone Else in the Dust, Why That Is a Problem, and What to Do about It. Our conversation really challenges us all to reconsider our own American Dream story and more importantly what we're doing to help or hinder the dreams of others.  Links to learn more about: Richard Reeves Dream Hoarders The Future of the Middle Class Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Aaron Sanchez is an award-winning chef, TV personality, author and philanthropist. He is chef/owner of Johnny Sánchez in New Orleans, and a judge on FOX's hit culinary competition series MasterChef and MasterChef Junior. For the many “famous” roles he plays, it was our discussion about the more essential ones of being fathers, sons, grandsons and friends that rang most true. Links to learn more about: Chef Aaron Sanchez Where I Come From: Life lessons from a Latin Chef Aaron Sanchez Scholarship Fund Coco Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Nick Kristof is a self-described “Oregon farm boy turned New York Times columnist.”   We discussed his latest book, Tightrope: Americans Reaching for Hope. Written with his wife, Sheryl WuDunn, it explores why some people, including many childhood friends from his #6 school bus, have dramatically different life outcomes than others.It was a deeply honest and personal conversation about our friends, our lives and what contributes to where we end up. Links to learn more about: Nicholas Kristof Tightrope: Americans Reaching for Hope Kristof Impact Find out more: https://movingupusa.com/podcast  HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream.  His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Paul Solman is the business, economics and occasional art correspondent for the PBS NewsHour. Paul is also co-founder of the American Exchange Project. Our conversation was recorded as part of an event held by the Colin Powell School for Civic and Global Leadership at City College, where I also teach. It was a fascinating discussion about the historical challenges in achieving and reporting on economic mobility. Paul Solman The Upswing: How America Came Together a Century Ago and How We Can Do It Again The American Exchange Project Colin Powell School for Civic and Global Leadership at City College Find out more: movingupusa.com/podcast HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream. His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.  

Musician/producer/songwriter, Jonnie “Most” Davis had his first number one hit at the age of 24. Since then he's worked with artists such as Roger Daltry, Mary J. Blige, Biggie Smalls, Outkast, Usher, American Authors, and Pink. All toll he has 25 Gold and Platinum records to his credit. But in this conversation, you'll hear that he doesn't define success by the Billboard charts and that the people that contributed to where he is today are far from household names. Links to Learn More About: Jonnie Most Davis Jonnie's recent journey Find out more: movingupusa.com/podcast HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream. His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.  

In this wide ranging conversation, the author and entrepreneur Bobby Jones talks about business, culture, sports - and the role each plays in making the world a bit better. In sharing his own journey growing up in Washington DC, Bobby talks about the importance of just “showing up for each other”, seeing examples of successful people who look like you in your neighborhoods and asking ourselves to think about what we're “putting in the hands” of our young people that will shape their path forward. Bobby Jones, co-founder of Good is the New Cool. Through this platform he's helping creators and innovators around the world use business and culture as forces for good. His first book, Good is the New Cool has spawned a podcast, workshops, conferences and a soon to be released sequel titled The Power of Purpose. Links to Learn More: About Bobby Jones Good is the New Cool Find out more: movingupusa.com/podcast HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream. His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.  

Rachel Botsman is a leading expert and author on trust in the modern world. As the first Trust Fellow at Oxford University's Saïd Business School, she aims to challenge and change the way people think about trust and related topics such as power, influence, truth and beliefs. In her conversation with Bob, they talk about the underappreciated but fundamental role trust plays in where we end up in life. Stay tuned for the end of the podcast where Rachel comes to an interesting realization about her own work and the introduction of the idea of “trust inequity.” Rachel is the author of two groundbreaking books that have been translated into 12 languages. What's Mine is Yours predicted the rise of the ‘sharing economy' and Who Can You Trust? - an exploration of how technology is transforming trust. Her TED talks have been viewed more than 4 million times and she is the host of Trust Issues – a podcast that explores trust through the lenses of popular culture, politics, business and psychology. Learn More: Rachel Botsman The Broken Ladder The Marshmallow Test Find out more: movingupusa.com/podcast HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream. His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Rachel Ruttan's research is ripe with counterintuitive findings, such as, how past experience overcoming a struggle can actually make us less compassionate to people currently experiencing the same challenge. Or how the pursuit of money can make us feel worse about ourselves. Going behind her fascinating research, listen to how Rachel's own journey out of poverty informs her work. Rachel Ruttan is an assistant professor at the Rotman School of Management, at the University of Toronto. Rachel's research examines issues around moral judgement, values, compassion we feel for others and why we sometimes have lapses in it. Her work has previously been profiled in the New York Times, NPR and the Harvard Business Review. Learn More: Rachel Ruttan Against Empathy Find out more: movingupusa.com/podcast HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream. His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

To give you a taste of Shai Davidai's work, here is a sampling of how the media has featured his research: “How much of a role does luck play in our success or failure?”  The Guardian; “To tackle inequality, remember the advantages you've had”; The New York Times; and “Why is my life so hard?” from Freakonomics radio. In this conversation, we'll cover a lot of ground from his fascinating and prolific research studies on how we think about what contributes to our success and failures. But make sure you stay on to the end of our talk, where we talk about how this plays out in our own lives and the tough choices we make for our children. Shai Davidai is an assistant professor at Columbia Business School. Shai's research examines people's everyday judgments of themselves, other people, and society as a whole.   Learn More: Shai Davidai Israeli Behavioral Economists Find out more: movingupusa.com/podcast HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream. His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.

Why do some people make it, while others don't? How do the facts of our lives differ from our perception of it? And how does our psychology shape how we view ourselves and others?  Attribution is, where people from all walks of life, reflect on who and what has contributed to where they ended up. Our hope is after each episode, you feel a little more inspired, grateful, or supported, than when you first hit play. Find out more: movingupusa.com/podcast HOST Bob McKinnon is a writer, designer, and teacher who asks us to reconsider the way we see success and the American Dream. His work has been featured in the New York Times, Boston Globe, Fast Company, NPR, and PBS. His own journey out of poverty was captured in his TEDx talk: How Did I End Up Here. Through his writing and this podcast, he hopes to pay tribute and thanks to all those who have helped him and others move up in life. CREDITS Attribution is distributed in part by Chasing the Dream, a public media initiative from PBS flagship station, WNET in New York, reporting on poverty, justice, and economic opportunity in America. You can learn more at pbs.org/chasingthedream. This show was edited by No Troublemakers Media. Music by Jonnie “Most” Davis. Our final credit goes to you, the listener, and to everyone who helped you get to where you are today. If this show has reminded you of someone in particular, make their day and let them know.