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Music revenue diversification is essential for independent artists, but how do you actually monetize your community of superfans? This follow-up to episode 333's community-building strategies explores the practical side of turning deep fan relationships into sustainable income that goes beyond streaming pennies.   Emerging direct-to-fan platforms like MySeat (highlighted by Dave Cool, formerly of Bandzoogle) allow artists to create branded mobile apps with multiple revenue streams - subscriptions, merchandise, live events, auctions, and exclusive content. Real case studies break down the revenue psychology of membership-based fan relationships and run realistic math on converting followers into paying subscribers.   But this isn't just another "build it and they will come" episode. Kevin Kelly's sobering follow-up research to his famous "1000 True Fans" theory reveals uncomfortable truths, including ambient musician Robert Rich's brutally honest financial breakdown of three decades pursuing direct fan support. The reality check considers platform risks, time costs, creative constraints, and why most successful direct-to-fan artists still need traditional exposure first to build music revenue.   Balancing optimism with realism, this episode explores genuine opportunities while setting appropriate expectations for what "success" in direct fan monetization actually looks like. Whether you're considering app platforms, subscription models, or other community revenue strategies, you'll discover how to approach these opportunities as part of a diversified career strategy rather than a complete solution.   Recommended for independent artists looking to reduce streaming dependence while exploring new music revenue opportunities and understanding the real challenges of direct fan monetization.   Key Topics:   Direct-to-fan mobile app platforms and business models Revenue psychology: consumption vs. membership Real financial case studies and conversion math Platform ownership vs. algorithm dependence Kevin Kelly's "1000 True Fans" follow-up research Robert Rich's 30-year direct fan experience Implementation strategies and cautionary considerations Diversified income approaches for sustainable careers Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at UnstarvingMusician.com/CrowdSponsor This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I've spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You'll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at UnstarvingMusician.com/LinerNotes. It's free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources The Unstarving Musician's Guide to Getting Paid Gigs, by Robonzo Music Marketing Method – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income Bandzoogle – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music Dreamhost – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. More Resources for musicians Mentioned in this Episode  MySeat Media  1,000 True Fans  The Case Against 1,000 True Fans  The Reality of Depending on True Fans  How to Build, Name, and Nurture Your Creative Community (Unstarving Musician episode 333)  Eli Lev – Spiritual Growth: From 250 Shows to Finding Sacred Space in Music (Unstarving Musician episode 332)  JR Richards – Dishwalla, His Tenth Album Forthcoming, Email Marketing, List Building, E-Commerce, Touring (Unstarving Musician episode 284)  Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure)  Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on  Instagram @UnstarvingMusician on Facebook  and  YouTube    

Create engaging fan experiences and new revenue streams with a personalized mobile app. Episode 637: Dave Cool returns to talk about his new role with My Seat Media. My Seat creates a mobile app fan club for artists. Create a new recurring revenue stream with a subscription fan club. Own your audience. Create engaging fan […]

Dave Cool from Bandzoogle stops by to update us what is happening at Bandzoogle.com Episode 557. Dave Cool from Bandzoogle stops by to update us what is happening at Bandzoogle.com. We talk about the $100 million dollars in commission free revenue that artists have earned on Bandzoogle. Dave talks about new features at Bandzoogle such […]

For independent artists, the most reliable way to earn a living from music isn't streaming, social monetization, or even lucrative opportunities in sync licensing. It's merch sales!  In this episode, Dave Cool of Bandzoogle talks about creating merch items your fans will love, how to make effective offers, and using the best tools for selling online.

Drea Burbank is an M.D.-technologist and serial entrepreneur whose work is focused on applying high-tech from hard science into critical sectors. She has projects from artificial intelligence, cryptocurrency, to stem-cells, and microbiome science. Her interdisciplinary skill set comes from a dedication to reducing barriers to innovation at the intersection of medicine, technology, and research, and the pursuit of enriching public health through these developments. Drea Burbank brings so much to the table in the world of medicine and tech, and it was insightful to hear what she had to share. Tune in as she talks about struggles inherent in healthcare technology, her passion for public health, spirituality, and her work with indigenous groups. HIGHLIGHTS [00:46] Drea Burbank in Background in Medicine and Technology [06:59] Her Current Projects [08:04] Challenges of Electronic Healthcare Systems [12:09] Bringing in More Tech to the Healthcare Industry in Terms of Security and Care [19:07] Lifestyle Approaches to Healthcare [22:33] Drea's Interest in Public Health, Preventative Medicine, and Spirituality [26:21] On Spirituality and Medicine [33:43] Drea's Thoughts on the Intersection of Medicine and Technology with Spirituality [38:37] More on Drea's Current Conservation Project [42:59] Takeaways from Working With Indigenous Cultures [47:05] Importance of Health Data and Sensor Technology 00:02 Dave: Hey everyone, welcome back to another season of Data-Driven Health Radio, I’m your host Dave Korsunsky. On this show we dive deep into how you can use data to measure, manage and optimize your health with the latest science and technology. This show is brought to you by Heads Up which is our web and mobile app designed for individuals and healthcare professionals who need a precise way to measure and manage health data. Check us out on headsuphealth.com. If you’ve got comments, questions or feedback on this show shoot us an email support@headsuphealth.com, we’d love to hear from you, and with that said let’s get into our next exciting episode. 00:47 Dave: Hey everyone, welcome back to Data-Driven Health Radio and I have a very special guest today Drea Burbank, she is an MD and a technologist and a million other things that I could not actually have time to finish going through in anticipation of this interview but I just went down the rabbit hole of Drea in all of the interesting projects that she has her hands on so, we are gonna get into all kinds of really, really interesting topics related to health, optimization, technology, some of Drea’s personal passion projects that she is working on that she wants to share with the world. So, Drea, we first got on your radar screen because you had written some content around the struggles that are inherent with electronic record systems and that’s actually why I started my whole company in the first place. So, we will have lots to talk about there, really just like, can I even get a trend line of the most important health metrics that matter to my existence above ground, it was a nightmare. It was like paper records and patient portals and I was trying to work on a health issue and I just needed a simple trend line of like inflammation markers and to this day that is still impossible so I would really like to dig in there and we’ll branch off from there. But Drea, if I may, I would like to take a crack at your background just from like the initial cursory research I did cause there was just some absolute gems on your website, can I and then you can correct me. 02:17 Drea: Yeah sure, I’m curious to see what your takeaway was. 02:20 Dave: Alright, so I just scribbled a few things here but Drea is an MD-technologist and she is a digital nomad with a yoga addiction, love that. She pretends to live San Francisco but we don’t actually know if she lives in San Francisco, yoga dirtbag, professional pyromaniac, uptight uber nerd and smartass. So those were the nuggets I pulled off the site. Welcome Drea to our show. 02:48 Drea: Thank you, I am so happy to be here. 02:50 Right on. Well, let’s just start with something simple like the content, the piece you put out there around inherent challenges with electronic health records, technology like I said that’s why we built our company but I’d love to hear about your background as an MD first and foremost, sounds like you probably ran into a lot of those challenges but maybe we could just start with your background in healthcare and the types of work you did or maybe still doing in the medical field and then lets go from there into all these other amazing worlds that we can open up. 03:23 Drea: Yeah, happy to talk to about it. So, I grew up off the grid in central Idaho, I did 9 years in forest fires and then I went to medical school in Canada. I was in a rural and remote training program and.. 03:35 Dave: Where in Canada? I’m from Canada. 03:37 Drea: Really? I was in Kelowna, I was the first of four medical students in the hospital in Kelowna. 03:42 Dave: It’s beautiful up there. 03:43 Drea: It was stunning. We were so lucky they had just, they had kept med students out of the hospital for a long time and a lot of the, you know, top clinicians across Canada would retire to Kelowna cause it was a kind of a beachfront property for Canada. 03:56 Dave: Yeah. 03:57 Drea: And they ran the hospital the way they had always wanted to run their hospitals so the nurses basically functioned like residents, and they had a really collaborative relationship with the physicians and they had a huge catchment area so they would pull all kinds of specialty cases but they still did overnight call from the hospital. So, I worked with mostly attending physicians and I had just had a really idyllic version of medicine. Yeah, it was like the best of specialty care with generalist care and like good working relationships, interdisciplinary, yeah and really, really talented physicians, clinically talented. So, we had a daw system in the hospital that had been introduced and I was watching these amazing physicians trying to use this daw system and I was like I could do better I started playing Plants vs. Zombies and I was like wow you could just do something like this it would be easy. Yeah, so, I think sometimes that naivete is necessary to do interesting things, you’re like oh this would be easy. So, I was like well I’m just going to do a year in Silicon Valley, I’ll design something and then I’ll, I’ll come back to medicine. 04:59 Dave: I got ya, so that was what kind of like, first of all you’re a US citizen but you went to Kelowna to do the training, is that correct? 05:06 Drea: So, I was a forest firefighter and I followed it north. I started following big stacks in British Coloumbia, all the best falling if your you know a logger or forest firefighter happens in Canada so I really wanted to learn that. I married a Canadian and I was already in Canada so when I went back to school I went to school for medicine in Canada. 05:24 Dave: And then that experience got you down to Silicon Valley to start working on technology centric problems in healthcare, is that accurate? 05:33 Drea: Yeah, I still think that if you want to get really hard tech skills you gotta go to Silicon Valley. I know that sounds exclusionary but the competition in Silicon Valley is global and so when you go there you end up working with the best people from all over the world. There are other tech hubs obviously, Toronto has a great tech hub, Vancouver does, Austin all these other placed I was just in Dubai and it’s great but if you want to get that really, really hardcore skillset I think you need to spend some time in the Valley. 06:01 Dave: Yeah, I spent the better part of 10 years out there, I was in Paolo Alto working at VMware and that’s where I got to really like build my skills, work alongside all of these amazingly brilliant people just learn how that whole industry works out there. I don’t think I really could have started a company, I probably could have, but the skills I learned there are I think just inherently part of what’s helping me stay successful is just cutting my teeth in Silicon Valley basically. 06:32 Drea: You don’t have to stay there I just, they have got a really good ecosystem like if you go to Stanford hospital a lot of the academics will leave for a couple of years, start a tech company and then go back to Stanford so they kind of like cycle through and the hospital is pretty good, they have got a like a really nice like, I worked with Nirav Shah for a little bit he is a computer science professor who works with a lot of the doctors, Nimar Agaeepour so they are just super integrated with the clinical needs and that’s where, I don’t think I’ve ever seen it anywhere else. 06:59 Dave: So, are you practicing now or are you mostly working on other types of projects? 07:04 Drea: Yeah, I left clinical medicine in 2018, we got drafted to work on all kinds of high-tech stuff during Covid. We ended up running a concierge Covid testing network for Hollywood which was so random, I was just, they called us, they couldn’t work at all during the height of the virus and they asked us to get test results back and we were like yeah we can do that it’ll be easy. So we, they were getting their test results back in 7 days from Labgen it was our TPCR we got our first results back in 6 hours and then every producer in Hollywood called us and we ended up testing like NFL players, sports broadcasters during the height of the shutdown. So, that was a lot of fun for us because it was basically using both sides of our head you know, like, the ability to scale really rapidly comes from my tech but the ability to do like serious work like a legitime RTPCR test that no body can question is, comes from medicine and we really like those kind of projects. We’re highly serious but we can still access all these different skills. 08:03 Dave: Awesome, I love it. Well, just kind of going back to like how we first got on your radar it was really looking at the inherent challenges of EHR systems. I was reading through the article and there’s implications in terms of the amount of extra load that it puts on to a providers workday. There’s the challenges of actually how can we even start pulling the data out of these systems and doing more with it, that’s why Heads Up started because we wanted to find a way to allow an individual to pull in all of their information regardless of what system it’s in and then also the data that they are using on the sensors at home, you know, all these sensors, CGM’s different devices that we can use now are actually getting incredible data, patients now actually have incredible data they have higher fidelity data than the doctor does, they have more contextualized data than the doctor does. They don’t have the clinical expertise necessarily to do a lot of the interpretation but there is incredibly promising startups out there that are bringing medical technology to individuals and building user experiences that help them understand their bodies own bio feedback. So, what we try to do at Heads Up was say how do I get all that lab data in cause that’s stuff your testing once a year, once every six months and if you’re making correct modifications in diet and lifestyle or maybe you’re already in a good place, you’re making optimizations in diet and lifestyle or maybe you’re in a red zone state health wise and you need to change certain things in your daily routine so we wanted to find a way to overlay lifestyle metrics coming from sensors and devices with more like episodic clinical data. So, that’s what we do at Heads Up. I know you and I haven’t really had a chance to talk at any level of depth but we really wanted to build like the agnostic analytics layer in healthcare which was really lacking and we needed a way to quickly plug in new technology, new data sources, new devices, new types of information and then what we wanna do is build an analytics layer and then an intelligence layer on top of it but maybe you could just summarize like what some of the top pain points are that you put in an article for everyone who is listening and then we can kinda go from there, they were pretty succinct. 10:23 Drea: Yeah, I was, it was a little profane but that is one of my tendencies from firefighting 10:27 Dave: I saw that on your website that you dropped a lot of profanities and f-bombs, we are gonna get along great. 10:33 Drea: Yeah, there is something about the stress relief aspect of it for me, but yeah, I think so the first thing I wanted to say yes somethings going wrong, like a lot of doctors are so stuck down in their trees they are not realizing their forest is getting cut down and they’re feeling the pain but they’re feeling it without any kind of like conscious awareness of like why that forest is getting cut down when the larger market forest is behind it. So, I wanted to acknowledge that something is wrong and it’s so wrong that it has to change at some kind of a critical level. Yeah. 11:03 Dave: I would agree with that, I mean just, we had an experience recently working with a large health system and it was actually to the point where it was impossible to do business with them due to a lot of these limitations and we all just chased our tails around for 18 months and then the project got shut down and went nowhere. So like, that’s I dunno, that’s what we are up against basically. 11:22 Drea: Yeah, it’s literally like it’s become a complete heart block to use a medical term. The physicians are leaving the profession in droves right now and we hear all these statistics about burn out and physicians wanting to leave and it’s being attributed to Covid but I don’t think it has anything to do with Covid. I think Covid was just like you know, the straw on the camels back, what I think it’s about is like the quality of the workday of the average physician and these are sensitive people who are high performing who are intellectual, they are hardworking and if they are burning out there is something extremely wrong, and doctors in particular because we feel such a, you know, obligation to give more and more and more and more and that’s impressed on us from such an early age in training and we get a lot of like social positive social feedback for all the things that we give so when we are burning out there’s something wrong with that. 12:08 Dave: Yeah, and you were also making some comments around how do we help the profession as a whole bring in more technology. How do we help them bring in more of the latest types of things like digital health technology that could enhance what they do and provide better patient care but I think one of the points that you were making is that there’s really even an inability to bring in innovation at this point so even if there was a desire there is no innovation reaching these types of professionals. Did I get that right? 12:38 Drea: Yeah, well what I wanted to say was that this is not happening by accident there is a layer of for profit EHR systems that profit from not providing high quality technology and blocking high quality technology from entering, and the only people who can break through that membrane is doctors themselves and to ask them to do that is a lot because they are already like overwhelmed they don’t necessarily know what to ask for and they don’t feel like there is any help on the other side of that membrane. But, in reality there is all kinds of very useful technologies that cannot penetrate right now like what you are working on. 13:16 Dave: Yeah, so if we were to kind of like wipe the slate clean and start over again for example, when we work with physicians in other countries for example, there’s one system for everybody. So, at least they’ve got all the data in one place, we’ve got the data in 30,000 places right now. So, there’s that issue of data fragmentation and then there’s obviously the inherent security challenges, like one of the challenges of trying to work with this large health system is just like the number of ransomware attacks that they’re dealing with on a daily basis and it’s like 9 months just to get their security team just to give you the thumbs up because they are under so much threat from a security point of view so like there’s that whole angle of it, and then there’s the ability to like also be innovate but also keep the Titanic moving in the right direction, you know what I mean? So like, how could we imagine a better way to do this type of thing, I don’t know that there is an answer right now but when you think about it what would the next iteration look like. 14:23 Drea: Well first I wanna go after the security thing cause the security thing is why doctors are always told you have bad health tech because there is a security risk. There is only a bad security risk because it’s terrible software, anybody at [unsure] nuclear power we have got a cohort that is nuclear power cyber security and everybody knows if you wanna hack somebody’s system you go after health tech because it’s so poorly designed. There’s just no excuse… 14:43 Dave: It’s a fundamental issue in the technology, that makes sense. 14:46 Drea: Yeah, it’s so badly built on the backend.. 14:48 Dave: and 500 different servers connected to the internet… 14:50 Drea: Yeah, that’s why they’re so busy they are playing like whack-a-mole for like a terrible system with a bunch of holes in it. So yeah, I see that a lot doctors are like oh I have terrible software because it’s so unsecure, no it’s unsecure because you have terrible software so yeah that first. Second off, so I have two solutions that I think are absolutely critical of physicians, you know I’ve been drilling down on them pretty hard because after 10 years you start to look at what’s the solution, like I just get tired of problems. So, the two solutions I think are absolutely critical is that medicine needs to create a technology specific specialty it’s become critical, I don’t like using that word but it’s become critical. Doctors do not own technology as a profession, they will continue to rely on external professions providing their technology and they’re never gonna have the context that clinical training is unique. Somebody asked me the other day what I meant by clinical, and I said I mean putting your hands on 1000 patients with undiagnosed conditions with legal skin in the game for their outcomes, that’s clinical and then once you do that, okay yeah, now you can start looking at if there’s any technology for doctors but if you don’t do that you don’t know what they are thinking and more importantly you don’t have the same risks like doctors have so much professional, legal and financial risk for any mistakes that happen in medicine that if you can’t have empathy for that you’re never gonna understand their aversion to experimenting so that’s the first thing. Second thing is I think doctors have a really good legal case for opening, for cracking the software interfaces open and I think if they were able to crack the interfaces open they could bring better technology in by default. Technology companies would flood in the door and then if they had an app like interface they could select the ones they liked and that would just solve so many problems all at once, cause I know probably like 20 different apps that are usable, solve clinical problems and do a great job, they are HIPAA secure, they are way more secure than most hospital systems but doctors can’t buy them or use them or get to them in their regular workday because they don’t run on top of these interfaces. 16:51 Dave: That’s the challenge we just ran into was we had medical professionals in the system that wanted to use our technology to solve a very specific problem and they introduced us to a group that could help us get shepherded in to the front door, you know, so we had a sponsor that was a very clear use case, it was a program that was going to integrate the oura ring into a sleep optimization type of a program a pretty simple thing and we went down the path of trying to make this available to this group which was super exciting for us and it was the most dysfunctional red tape failed project I have ever been a part of, we couldn’t even get it, it was impossible we failed after like 18 months of spinning our wheels. So like you said, even if there was an interface where they were like hey I love this I want to apply this it meets all the security requirements, it’s HIPAA, it’s validated it was not possible. 17:49 Drea: These are legal problems for two reasons and this is coming from, I did a year in tobacco control and I worked with Stan Glantz. Stan Glantz got the unmarked boxes of tobacco documents back in like the 80’s, somebody sent him like 20 boxes of unmarked documents and then he went to court and like you know he’s a pretty hard headed guy he took it across California, he legislated tobacco and his back take away I remember one day he was standing there and he was waiving his hands in front of me, I talked to him for like an hour, and he was like if it’s for profit it’s a legal problem. So the people that made it impossible for your doctors to get your technology and for your technology to get in benefitted financially and when that happens, when they have a financial incentive to block new software from coming in to block the data on the backend from going out the only solution is legal and I think in this case, the people with the best and sharpest legal case are clinicians themselves because they can just tag the extra 6 hours they work a day and for doctors that’s a huge financial pace. They can tag those 6 hours to a class action and they don’t even have to be at mass for it they have to be individually recognized but for a class action, you have to get enough doctors saying yeah I worked an extra 6 hours a day and here’s my salary and then a legal firm will litigate it on their behalf. 19:07 Dave: Yeah, well when we started building out product and taking it to market we obviously were aware of the challenges of going into the conventional systems. We were well aware of the boneyard of startups that died on the vine trying to sell a great solution into a system and just ran out of cash even just like waiting to get a pilot agreement approved. It was extremely challenging and so what we did was we entered the market through what I would call more lifestyle medicine and we entered the market for us through the cash based side of healthcare and the types of practitioners that don’t take insurance, they used to work in the system and they have left and they are now in private practice and they are doing holistic or integrated or functional care, same types of things but they are now compensated in a way that allows them to spend 60/90 minutes with you going over a specific type of a situation. You’re paying them cash, you’re paying them out of pocket generally but those were the professionals who said okay I would pay this product and I’ll use it because it is giving me insights into what’s happening to my patients outside the office so now I can get a really, really precise view into lifestyle factors that are driving a health outcome like why does this persons blood sugar hit 180 every night at 9pm and then they have a crap sleep right, so like we started selling it to that market because they understood the value of the data, they could make really quick decisions, they could evaluate a product, sign with us and have this up and running in a week versus like what we went through at some of the larger systems. So, the way we though about it was well let’s go into this, I don’t even know what the right word for it is, I will just call it like integrative market for now, they were already doing a lot of lifestyle medicine they wanted to know what was happening to you during the day, they wanted to know what you were eating, they wanted to know certain information about maybe certain genetic snips, they wanted to run more advanced diagnostic testing in some cases that would be really hard to get a regular doctor to run something exploratory. Like, can you test these 10 things I don’t even know if there’s going to be anything there but I wanna keep going, I wanna dig deeper. So, we just kind of like found our tribe bringing our product in through that market and the reason I bring that up is because it looks like a lot of your professional interests are also in this world of integrative approaches to healthcare even just things like yoga it sounds like you are yogi. I also, I teach yoga, I teach kundalini yoga, Ashely who you connected with on my team. Ryan who you connected with on my team is a yoga teacher so like bringing that part in I wanna talk about your work in rainforests as well but you also dropped a little few clues on your book which I just ordered around shamanism so like there’s the plant medicine side of the house and that gets into mental health stuff which is like super important and I’m super excited to see things like ketamine and sustivan starting to come to life in clinical significant ways. So, it just seems that you also think that way and maybe you could just share on like some of your thoughts on the lifestyle approaches to health that are most interesting for you. 22:34 Drea: Yeah, so wow, okay, Canada is a great system and there is a lot of public health focus so I got a ton of public health training during my training and I was like dramatically interested in plastic surgery and micro surgery which is like the far end of down stream like and then I was really also simultaneously interested in preventative medicine and public health, and I ended up going the public health route. It was a tough choice, I loved both of them but my brain’s a little bit more lateral so I was like you know public health is going to be better for me. So I went into preventative medicine and then I started chasing that rabbit hole and I chased it around the world, you know, I looked at ayurvedic medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, indigenous medicine and the more I looked at it the more I saw like subtle effects of preventative medicine. It’s so holistic it’s hard to measure in the data, so I got really interested in that aspect and yes there is a tribe for that. I am a certified bikram yoga teacher so I did a project a few months ago, about 6 months ago, where I did twice daily 90 minute classes of bikram for 6 months and at the end of it… 23:33 Dave: You did it personally? 23:35 Drea: Yeah, it was fun and I did it in Thailand with […] and yeah […] a character and I’m a character we had a lot of fun. 23:43 Dave: I wish I had the time to do two bikram classes a day. I’m lucky if I get in one a week these days. 23:49 Drea: It was post Covid I was like totally burnt out and I was like, cause we did that testing network and then when the vaccine came out I was like that’s it I’m never working again so I went off for 6 months and then of course it didn’t take and I went back to work again afterwards but at the end of it I wrote this book and yes, it is out there, it’s of the other side of my brain the one I don’t talk about very often in a professional setting. But, yeah I have a strong, personally I have a strong spiritual experience that I would probably compare mostly to Shamanism or Zen Juadism I guess the type of Buddhist Christian Marie and Jed McKenna are like my favorites.  I think in the western world we tend to differentiate between spirituality and medicine, they are completely independent things and we don’t talk about spirituality or we delegate it to other people but that split doesn’t occur in all cultures so I just spent the last month in the Peruvian Amazon working with indigenous Shaman and they were explaining that as a Shaman they were like well first off, I’m a community leader so the role of a Shaman is to be a community leader and also I mentioned this split between spirituality and medicine in the west and they were just kind of aghast they were like how could you separate the two? That doesn’t even make sense and I was like yeah it’s really interesting that for them that was kind of like outside of the bounds of acceptability. Whereas for us it’s just like a given in medicine and I wonder how much of our frustration with the system is also a frustration with the concept of what is health, because we are so busy treating disease and it’s a bell curve obviously you know, disease and health and so little of our training is in this concept of health, like if we want to fix somebody when they are diseased then what does it look like when they are healthy and you know we don’t know that much about it like how many doctors know about blue zones or you know the longevity science or you know how many of them study professional athletes when they study musculoskeletal injuries. You know we just always assume that we have understood everything about the human body cause we have studied pathology but no we just really studied one end of the bell curve and I think that without a concept personally and professionally of what health is we can’t truly treat disease and that’s what a lot of these guys bring it is this idea of holistic mental health and we don’t have that in our society right now. 25:58 Dave: Well that is incredibly fascinating insight to like have deeper in which is like we have this bifurcation of spirituality and medicine. Arguably a bifurcation of lifestyle and medicine and I think that’s like another major gap especially when it comes to things like food for example and stress. So, how could we start to bring that type of care more into the mainstream? I also think that our mental health, the amount of mental health disease in our country is maybe in a lot of developed countries is probably moving in the wrong direction as fast as what you would consider typical chronic illness like obesity and heart disease and stuff like that, this is just a completely subjective assessment but like the mental health, the number of people that could be diagnosed with mental health issues might even be climbing as fast as some of those like rampant Neolithic diseases and so like the spirituality and medicine idea is incredible and it’s so far outside of the purview of where we are now here I don’t know how we could close the gap on that. I can only say that I am encouraged by the FDA starting to fast track research into certain psychedelic medicines and other compounds and I think that is a good start especially if that could be standard of care where you can get that type of treatment in a medically supervised environment with proper people who can help you integrate an experience and have that. I think that could be a huge step forward for us and it’s already happening with ketamine clinics, it’s not meant to be preventative at this point, it’s meant to be acute where typically you’re going in there with like extreme cases of treatment resistant depression or something like that. But the point is that you can go to a medical clinic and ask for that type of experience from a mental health point of view so what are your thoughts on bringing more of that into the mainstream and having that as a treatment option for people who may not be like at the extreme edge of mental health but they could just be dealing with everyday depression so there’s that aspect of spirituality. There’s also the aspect of spirituality that has nothing to do with plant medicines, it’s yoga and meditation and learning how to be fully present and aware with our own mind and our own body and that we’re part of a larger connected whole. So, when you think about spirituality and medicine, what comes up in terms of how we can change the status quo or what would you like to see happen in that domain? 28:43 Drea: Well, I like to call the attention to the work of doctors who are more embedded in the medical system cause I feel like I have the freedom to be you know to be openly spiritual cause I’m kind of outside of the medical system and I live in a much more like unrestricted environment so I like to call attention to the work of Eben Alexander who is a Harvard neurosurgeon who wrote a book about his near death experience and it’s brilliant, it’s compassionate, it’s kind and he has done a lot of work with death and dying. Another one of my favorite physicians is Gabor Maté, he is a Canadian physician and he wrote a book called “When the body says no”, I mean like everything he has written is genius and it’s very much integrable into western practice today as it stands. He has done his work, he has done his research and he can speak in kind of a code switching language. I wouldn’t call it spirituality but it’s kind of like applied spirituality within a western context. He has a new book coming out that’s “the myth of normal” and I strongly recommend it, I think it’s going to be genius and it’s kind of about this concept of health. And the last person I want to call attention to is Emily Silverman does a show called the nocturnist, it’s a podcast out of San Francisco and it’s storytelling for doctors and it’s kind of like it’s almost demonic in a sense of like catharsis that happens both in the show and then the storytelling and it’s very much a western, it’s a way to attach meaning to western experience that it kind of a religious. So, those are three doctors that are just you know straight up like super reputable but integrated in the system for a long time and they bring that aspect of meaning back to healthcare in a way that’s, I think, acceptable within current restrictions. I wanna talk about psychedelics, we have a cohort that does legalization of psychedelics and we were working on a legalization project in Colorado that’s also partnered with John’s Hopkins for psilocybin and we have practitioners that use ketamine and psilocybin in Canada, in L.A. and these are chiropractors, clinical psychologists and we have death doulas so it’s a group of people who basically is looking at how to integrate this deeper meaning in more functional ways. I always say as a yogi, as a yogi who has been in indigenous settings with indigenous people using psychedelics I will say that I think psychedelics are a tuning fork for the mind, they can give you a tone like something that you can hit but you can access those states with other ways that don’t involve external substances, so yoga, meditation, all these things kind of teach you how to tune your mind to a different channel and the end goal of I think of either using traditional psychedelics if that’s in your path or using yoga or meditation is to have more control over your consciousness states and what frequency your tuned into. And you can follow clinical psychology for that too, you know, there’s all kinds of great work coming our of functional MRI and neuroscience that teaches you how to do the same thing with neuro feedback and stuff so I don’t think the path matters so much as the conscious control over where your mind is at. This concept of metacognition and doctors are really good this, either they are always thinking about thinking and many of them do it in very like, I see surgeons all the time you know I remember seeing these surgeons, they would sit down they would have a call or something with a family member before a case and they would be emotionally stressed out but when they got into the case this just kind of calm would settle, you know really experienced surgeons, and they would go into like an output state and it was just that moment the patient, you know and they wouldn’t think about the outcomes they would just think about the process and like that is, I see doctors doing this all the time, you know, they go from one room with an angry, stressed out emotionally uncontrolled patient to another room you know with a happy family and a child and they dump it in between so how do they do that? We have this capacity we can do this. 32:23 Dave: Yeah, I like the way you framed it which is there’s lots of way to get there in terms of developing more of an inner awareness, there are plant medicine, there’s yoga. For me, the kundalini yoga that I have been doing for the last 18 months, 24 months, has been incredible that I think has helped, I’ve been doing meditation for a long time but more of the deliberate breath work and the types of practices that are much more emphasizing around the auric field and the connection with infinite. So, I’ve had really strong experiences through yoga and mediation and also through plant medicine and then you also brought up technology that’s coming on the market. Where it’s bringing more tools downstream to more people like neuro feedback types of tools and this device I just tested Brain Tab where you can put on a binaural beat guided meditation and have a simulated light experience in front of your eyes, like anybody can do that and so, it’s happening it’s just not part of the traditional system that’s out there, it;s kind of in this other side of healthcare that you put more into like wellness and digital health and other kinds of things like that, and it’s there, it’s not part of conventional medicine so is it ever possible that those worlds come together where they co-exist or are they separate completely? 33:50 Drea: So, I think I would be remiss if I wasn’t clear about this because my book is very clear about it I’m just not usually clear about it in my professional context. So, I had a full kundalini awakening that was involuntary at the end of medical school and that’s not a common thing. I think in the medical literature it’s characterized as a physio-kundalini syndrome is kind of how they describe it and yoga, it’s kind of an accepted norm. In India it’s been researched for thousands of years but when I first experienced it, it was completely outside of the bounds of my clinical or western training and I had no preparation for it. I did find people that understood it and helped me with it and I wrote my book primarily to help with people like me who have a western life and they have a scientific life and they want to find a way in integrate these two journeys in a way that they can later function, and I think in my book I compared it to the particle wave experience, you know and physicists just kind of intuitively get this so like yeah it’s a particle and it’s a wave it’s cool it’s the same thing, and it’s not, you’re like you know maybe it’s gonna split on this but it doesn’t really and so you can have this intensely spiritual journey I think and still function within the parameters of science because to me, as somebody who’s like the biggest Richard Feynman fan in the world and I just love empiricism and data, if I can get my hands on it you know like I love facts and so , somebody who loves facts I’m okay to have my facts contained within a much bigger world that I don’t understand and maybe never will, maybe my memory can never encompass it so I don’t consider my work in science or technology to be exclusionary to my spiritual world, it’s just my spiritual world is much bigger and I’m very comfortable with the border of what can know at any given time. 35:33 Dave: Well everything that we do here is about what can we actually quantify health so everything I do in my professional life is how can I objectively measure, how can I get as much data as possible on my health because it has changed the way I manage my own health in ways that I can’t even articulate. In fact, the data has changed how I manage my own health so profoundly that I have gone on and started this company to try to make this available to other people. Simple preventative things that you can do on your own and get objective data immediately to know if it’s working or not every single day, it can calibrate your health and your life in real time. So, like I’m similar, I want all the data that I can possibly get and then the other side of me is this other realm that is much more vast and unknown and they co-exist beautifully. I haven’t really found ways to bring them together in a commercially viable sense yet but I live in both of those worlds quite successfully as well and I;m trying to think of ways, maybe they never will come together in any formal way, maybe they are just completely separate parts of consciousness and life that don’t have any overlap. But I’m starting to put together pieces like I’m gonna be offering a retreat in May of next year and it will be all about health quantification and all about kundalini yoga. So I don’t know what’s gonna come out of that but it will be like sensors and kundalini in the same thing. 37:05 Drea: No, you know what came out of my 6 month bikram process where I was just deep in the reams of kind of like just letting everything go which is a very like unknown space, and I was like what am I gonna do next, I don’t even know. What came out of that was this really amazing project where we’re just doing reforestation so we’ve got an app, we do fair trade carbon offsets, we work with indigenous farmers who are the most practical people on the planet by the way, if they didn’t have a really rock solid sense of reality they wouldn’t survive in their environment, and we are paying them for carbon offsets directly and it was funny because I thought, you know, I’m just maybe gonna be a yoga teacher for the rest of my life maybe I’m just gonna wander off to the edge of spirituality and never come back. And so what happened was I came back in very concrete actionable and more precisely intellectual ways. I feel like the fuzz kind of went out of my head and I was able to appreciate more what is, and I think that this exploration of the unknown kind of, if you follow it far enough will bring you back to tangibles like what is now. It’s made me a better scientist. 38:10 Dave: Totally agree, same for me and it’s made me better at everything I do in my professional life which is highly technical and analytical and building this crazy cloud platform and the spirituality makes me a hundred times better at what I do. I think clearer, I’m more emphatic, it clarifies my sense of why so they just seem to reinforce each other quite nicely. 38:33 Drea: Yeah, I think Victor Frankl said if you have a why you can do any how. 38:36 Dave: Well, I wanna hear more about this project, I know you wanted to share more on it so can you tell us more about that work that you are doing in the Amazon? 38:44 Drea: Yeah, it’s crazy, so much fun. It’s indigenous led so I traveled to Colombia during kind of this period of my life and the indigenous group I was working with said hey you know we really wanna conserve, we have our own organization, we have been fighting off the loggers for 10 years, can you bring us some resources to do this with but we want no strings attached. I love that concept of no strings attached cause I see so many indigenous groups around the world, I work with indigenous groups in Canada and the US and Latin America and this concept of no strings attached is so important to indigenous health so I thought okay how do we even do that so I started looking at trust less validation systems so like GPS, machine learning on smart phones the various cart drones to measure carbon sequestration and we looked at ways that they could prove that they were reforesting without having to do a lot of middle men and without having this people going onto their land and doing surveys who weren’t from their region and I think we came up with a pretty good simple method they can run outside of cell service on a cellphone. We also experimented we can pay them directly with micro-payments so I can conserve carbon for pennies on the dollar which is great because what’s actually killing tropical forests and consequently our atmosphere is 80% of the deforestation is happening on farms less than 5 hectares and it’s happening with about 1 billion indigenous people and small farmers who have no other method of transacting on the market. Their only income is pulling down the trees that surround them and selling it to the international hardwood suppliers but it’s not what they want to do, and I think this assumption in the western world is these guys don’t care. In fact, they care I think more deeply about their forest than anybody because they understand their forest better than anybody else and when they wanna preserve it I feel like it’s an energy that can be, you can tap into and so much of this is like I always go back to this concept of you can’t replace something with nothing. So, if you have intense pain in clinical medicine with software systems you can’t replace that with nothing, you have to replace it with something and it’s the same principle because when I look at the solution for technology and medicine I try and find doctors that are already doing it and when we look at the solution for carbon offsets we look for indigenous groups that are already doing it and we just give them more resources when they are out of something. 41:06 Dave: And so they now have a way to generate alternative income streams that do not involve cannibalizing the land. 41:15 Drea: Yeah, and it’s so cheap. I mean the amount, so for instance on one hectare of rainforest if you can grow a cow in three years and at the end of the three years the cow brings you $12, but I can pay about $12 a day for taking that same hectare and replanting it to conserve jungle, and the trick is because as a technologist and as somebody who’s adopting, you know, I can write NIH grant proposals unfortunately with my eyes closed at this point, so like it’s not that hard for me to sit down and like figure out all the fancy technology or the paperwork that’s necessary for them to get what they need, so that’s kind of what we are doing on our end it is just translating. 41:53 Dave: Are there ways that people can support that project that you would wanna put out there? 41:57 Drea: Oh yes please, if you wanna support the project I would be delighted you can, so we have, we are BCorp, we have a non-profit and a for-profit and if people want to donate they can donate. The donations always go to expanding farmer capacity like getting them a bank account, getting them literacy training, silviculture training, so like ways that they can participate in the market and then the for-profit is you can buy carbon offsets at any point in our pipeline. If you want to resell them when they are you know fully certified or if you wanna wait and buy a certified offset all of that’s possible. 42:28 Dave: So where would people go you know in either case? 42:31 Drea: Savimbo.com so, our project is called the savimbo project that’s actually out of Kenya and it means trust so it’s the savimbo project and savimbo.com. 42:42 Dave: Cool, well we’ll link to it for sure, Heads Up’s officially on board to support financially, I love it and everyone who is listening if you wanna go and support its S as in sierra, A – apple, V – Victor, I – Indigo, M – Mary, B – Bravo, O, savimbo project. Any other things from the indigenal health world, you’ve had such an opportunity to spend so much time in these indigenous communities and with all of your technological expertise and your medical expertise like the lens you have coming into these cultures and the way you think about how they approach health and spirituality and medicine like it’s kind of an open ended questions but like are there some big takeaways you’ve learned from working in these environments that you can share? I know it’s kind of open ended but these indigenous cultures are fascinating and we can learn so much from them and such a small percentage of people ever get to experience them so like, what are some of the biggest takeaways for you personally from working with all of these incredible people? 43:46 Drea: Well, the first thing I would say is that while I am a good translator I am not indigenous myself and so the best people to speak about indigenous health is the indigenous people themselves. I do believe that people should do their best to find ways to interact with indigenous healers and learn from them and respect their ways. Whether that’s, you know, through a book that they have written or through community involvement that’s fine. One of my takeaways from indigenous health in general has been, one thing I didn’t realize about, so I work in Colombia right now, they were smelting platinum at the same time Europeans were so they were not a technologically backwards society by any means, they never have been. When the Spaniards showed up, you know it wasn’t super healthy for the local population and a lot of that knowledge went into the jungle and while Europeans have different natural resources, what they have in the Amazon is they have the most incredible array of biodiversity on the planet and so a lot of their technology which is by no means inept is biological technology. It’s knowledge of biota, of plants, of animals, of trees. I went out last week with an indigenous farmer and he showed me 30 different trees on his land, 30 different species of trees that the fruit, he knew all the names, he knew which animals ate them, he knew all this and it wasn’t really even like unusual knowledge for him. I grew up in central Idaho and we have several species of trees but we don’t have anything like that, just the variety. So, the technical knowledge in these societies is precious and it’s not shared often and one of the reasons is that is has them in safe for indigenous communities to share their knowledge because when it’s commercialized or taken advantage of they aren’t benefitting. 45:33 Dave: I’ve read about that where there is actual companies that will go down there specifically to look for things that are in their indigenous knowledge that could be then turned into or patented or not patented but can be commercialized and nothing goes back to the community itself. 45:50 Drea: Yeah, so ethnobotany is a branch of medicine that looks at how to commercialize plant knowledge in a way that benefits the initial community and if anybody wants to get a hold of me I will send you like some amazing like tree dust is like how to conduct this kind of collaboration. But it comes down to land rights primarily so if indigenous communities have land rights, if they have existing organizations like financial structures … and then finding ways to enable collective ownership of benefits. So, I grew up in central Idaho and tamoxifen originally came from yew trees in central Idaho and I remember living in central Idaho when they were cutting down all the yew trees and skinning the bark to sell for tamoxifen, eventually they synthesized it and it still remains one of our best cancer drugs and so I don’t know if the end result was bad but I think that the solution could have been much more integrative and that’s what I’m interested in because I think our biggest breakthroughs in science, in western science and western medical science are not going to be out of a lab with synthesized compounds. I think it’s going to be finding ways to access the biota that we already have so for us to do that we have to preserve what we’ve got and then respect the people that have this knowledge. 47:04 Dave: I love it. Well, we are coming up on the top of the hour here Drea, we have covered a lot of ground from like the limitations of EHR systems to all kinds of topics around yoga and spirituality and medicine and what we can learn from indigenous health. I think these are all incredible topics and even just starting to think this way can help to change peoples health when they start to think more holistically and think more about connecting with different parts of different cultures, different lifestyles, different mindsets around what health even means, the definition of that, we have our understanding but we’ve kind of touched on a lot of different exciting areas. In closing I wanna say a couple of things. 1, I would like to take your bikram class so when your teaching somewhere please let me know. That’s actually how I first started practicing yoga, it’s still my jam I might go today here in a few hours, we’ll see. So, that’s option number 1, if you ever wanna take a kundalini class with me I can send you information where I teach so that could be some fun follow up items and we’ll see what comes out of there. We touched on your work on the savimbo project and then just any other things you want to put our there on the airwaves for our people listening. It’s a bunch of health data nerds but we are all like minded so anything that we didn’t cover that you wanna put out there as we close out here. 48:26 Drea: Well, I just wanna give you some credit for what you’re doing because I am a massive advocate for primary data. So much of our health tech is looking at EHR records and I think that most of that data is fictionalized, it’s not really valuable when you look at scientific research and there is so much better primary data out there so I strongly agree with the use of wearables with the use of lifestyle sensors that can be integrated into clinical practice and then the more pristine the data like video footage or just the data streams just need to be better. If we applied all of the infrastructure that we are using on electronic health records towards primary data which is so available now, I think we would see really amazing things coming out for medicine. 49:08 Dave: Well I appreciate that you know 1 of my favorite examples are just these bloody continuous glucose monitors it’s like the data is incredible, it comes in every 5 minutes, I can immediately notice that someone is starting to go outside of range and do a preventative intervention in seconds that can be life changing and even just people who are trying to lose some weight the data is incredible and you can get it in real time and its amazing so thank you for acknowledging that. We’re incredibly excited about sensor technology because the data is getting better and better, the sensors are getting cheaper and cheaper, they are able to passively measure more and more things which means there is not even the friction point of asking people to take a measurement anymore it’s just happening and so, there is like incredible opportunities for us to do more with that. That’s why we try to get our hands on every sensor, plug it in and then find ways put practitioners on the other end, or technology that can start identifying anomalies automatically that’s an even bigger upside, or starting to look for signals in that data, they could be complex signals from multiple devices but that’s our jam so thank you for acknowledging that, appreciate that. I’d love to show it to you sometime. 50:18 Drea: I will definitely check it out. I wanna put a plug in for one of my friends, he makes a sensor that you can wear like a wristband that can distinguish between anxiety and happiness and I’ve just been really happy, I mean you see these kind of advances you think oh my god what can I do with that, like I can do so many things. 50:33 Dave: I wanna see the happiness light up all the time that’s like motivation for me. You get a little bit of bio feedback and you feel great. 50:40 Drea: Yeah, if you can measure it you can work with it and like you know when we, also when we look at a health record and we are tracking a diagnosis like a diagnostic term we don’t allow for that paradigm shift, you know the term ulcer and you know has now been replaced with the term H.pylori and the underlying data is about the same, it’s like pain in this one area. So, when we look at primary data we can adjust our paradigms, our disease paradigms. 51:05 Dave: I love it. Well thank you for taking our outreach. I know we hit you up cold on LinkedIn and I had no idea we were going to get into so many exciting and awesome topics so this was just completely unexpected and wonderful in every possible sense. 51:20 Drea: It’s serendipity for sure, thank you so much for having me. 51:23 Dave: Thanks. This podcast is brought to you by Heads Up, a web and mobile app designed to help both individuals and health practitioners centrally track the vital health data that matters. Instantly synchronize your (or your clients') medical records, connect favorite health devices and apps, and use the data to optimize your health (and that of your clients). Click on the button below to start your free 30-day trial. (Opens in new tab) Get My Free Trial! Sign Up For A Free Heads Up Starter Account. The post Episode 63 – Drea Burbank MD: Why EHR systems suck, Kundalini yoga, sustainable growth and other musings appeared first on HeadsUp Health.

Musicians have been hit hard by the pandemic-driven lockdown(s). Gigging, rehearsing, session work, and the day gigs that pay the bills for many musicians have largely ground to a halt. Unemployment and "stimulus" checks may help, but tragically, they don't cover the devastating loss of income most musicians are faced with. But I know somebody who just might be able to help you with that. My friend Dave Cool (yes, that's his real name), Bandzoogle's V.P. of Business Development, has ferreted out some practical ways to help you create income until we can finally rip our masks off and return to our normal lives! It looks like we've got at least several more months to go until that becomes a reality. Don't wait until you're really hurting to dig out this episode of TAXI TV and watch it. Get out in front of what could be a financial nightmare by joining Dave and me on this week's LIVE episode, so you can ask him questions after he doles out some actionable advice!

I am excited to be here with Stacey Bedford from Bandzoogle. It is one of my absolute favorite companies that help musicians. Stacey has been the CEO for a few years. I'm getting to talk to her, which I'm excited about. I've had many great relationships with Bandzoogle. Dave Cool, we've hung out together at conferences. I met Melanie in 2019. It's great to talk to Stacey and get the perspective of the CEO on how Bandzoogle is helping musicians. I got excited when I saw an article that they put out a few months ago that said, “Musicians earned $5 million during the pandemic through Bandzoogle.” I was like, “My audience needs to know about this because musicians are thinking nobody's earning during the pandemic."

Hello my lovely Drumsters!  I sure hope you are having a great kick off to your new year and that your resolutions will come to fruition. Today's guest is Dave Cool (yes, that's his real name)   Dave  is the Vice President of Business Development at BandZoogle and he's here with us to share with you how you can create a working website that can do so many things that can earn you money in your business.  Dave has spoken at dozen of music conferences including SXSW, Canadian Music Week,  Folk Alliance, and, the ASCAP Expo.  He has also been interviewed by The Economist, Newsweek International, CNN.com, and, the Financial Post for his insights on the music industry. Dave is also a recovering punk rock drummer, comedy nerd, wine snob, and, vintage hockey card collector. So if you're an artist or musician that is looking for a way to showcase your work but aren't super techy?  The solution is simple, try Bandzoogle is the way to go! Get a beautiful website up and running in no time.  Learn how BandZoogle can help build your empire!  One of the coolest things about BandZoogle is that they don't take any commission fees when you add a membership site, or fundraising activities. You only pay the small monthly fee, that's all!   And, if you use code the special code he offers inside the episode, you can get 15% off your first year's subscription.     You can check out the video interview on the link below: Dave's Cool's Interview Video Here's to good health, lots of love, rockin' those goals, and having a super fun, and safe 2021.   Love, Dawn-Marie XO   P.S. If you're thinking about starting a podcast and not sure where to begin?  Check out Podcasting For Drummies.  You'll get the step-by-step instructions on how you can upload your show from inception to launch to promoting your show. Check it out below: www.PodcastingForDrummies.com             

Today we have the vice president of Bandzoogle, Dave Cool.  Built by musicians for musicians, Bandzoogle is an all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website and EPK for your music. Bandzoogle members have earned $5 million since the start of the pandemic. We talk about making money and monetizing your music career and live stream ideas without over-saturating your fan base. For instance, artists received two times the revenue compared to a ticket price, but offering a free show and using  Bandzoogle's built in the tip jar feature. The average tip is actually $42. If you're using Patreon, you're going to rethink all of that because Bandzoogle includes commission-free ways to reward your fans. We're going to talk about Bandzoogle's growth to almost 55,000 members and so much more.Bandzoogle's website - Use this special link or enter the promo code "funktastic" to get 15% off your first year of any subscription.Funktastic Chats website

Dave Cool of Bandzoogle returns for a second time on the Unstarving Musician. The last time he was on was episode 142, recorded on March 20th of this year at the outset of the COVID-19 pandemic. Dave is VP of Business Development at Bandzoogle. In this follow-up conversation we discuss a wide range of topics, including: The newish partnership between CD Baby and Bandzoogle Ways musicians around the world are adapting to change What Bandzoogle's data says about fan support Naming your price with a minimum price for online music sales The increased output of resource articles on the Bandzoogle blog Bandzoogle features including EPK templates and the free review of your site service Keeping live streams alive Full disclosure: I'm a humble and honored affiliate of Bandzoogle, which means I make a wee bit of money if you purchase a plan using my promo code ROBONZO, which you can read more about below. Thank you for your support! Related to our conversation, my new song (and first ever single) is set for official release January 8th, 2021. Preview my new song and download it for free on Robonzo.com If you want to follow the saga of my release and become part of the Robonzo Collective by following me on the socials, @robonzodrummer on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. Mentioned in this Episode Bandzoogle CD Baby Enter the Haggis Artist EPK Builder for Bands and Musicians | Press Kits | Bandzoogle Website design inspiration: best electronic press kits 5 creative quarantine hacks for album artwork Six Skills All Indie Musicians Need Today - Forbes Visit UnstarvingMusician.com for related links, episode transcript and more

Dave Cool of Bandzoogle returns for a second time on the Unstarving Musician. The last time he was on was episode 142, recorded on March 20th of this year at the outset of the COVID-19 pandemic. Dave is VP of Business Development at Bandzoogle. In this follow-up conversation we discuss a wide range of topics, including: The newish partnership between CD Baby and Bandzoogle Ways musicians around the world are adapting to change What Bandzoogle's data says about fan support Naming your price with a minimum price for online music sales The increased output of resource articles on the Bandzoogle blog Bandzoogle features including EPK templates and the free review of your site service Keeping live streams alive Full disclosure: I'm a humble and honored affiliate of Bandzoogle, which means I make a wee bit of money if you purchase a plan using my promo code ROBONZO, which you can read more about below. Thank you for your support! Related to our conversation, my new song (and first ever single) is set for official release January 8th, 2021. Preview my new song and download it for free on Robonzo.com If you want to follow the saga of my release and become part of the Robonzo Collective by following me on the socials, @robonzodrummer on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. Mentioned in this Episode Bandzoogle CD Baby Enter the Haggis Artist EPK Builder for Bands and Musicians | Press Kits | Bandzoogle Website design inspiration: best electronic press kits 5 creative quarantine hacks for album artwork Six Skills All Indie Musicians Need Today - Forbes Visit UnstarvingMusician.com for related links, episode transcript and more

This week, Ryan sits down with Dave Cool, Bandzoogle’s Vice President of Business Development. A true friend of the indie artist and a popular former BTB Podcast guest, Dave talks about strategies that artists can implement to continue to build fan support and create new and flourishing revenue streams amid the COVID-19 pandemic. Dave also shares some insight about the importance of creating your website as an artist and talks about some of the latest artist-friendly features that have launched on the Bandzoogle platform. Find out more by visiting www.bandzoogle.com. Rate/review/subscribe to the Break the Business Podcast on iTunes, SoundCloud, Stitcher, and Google Play. Follow Ryan @ryankair and the Break the Business Podcast @thebtbpodcast. Like Break the Business on Facebook and tell a friend about the show. Visit www.ryankairalla.com to find out more about Ryan's entertainment, education, and business projects.

When so many listeners discover music on streaming services and social media, why should artists manage their own web presence? Guests from artist platform Bandzoogle build a strong case for connecting directly with fans, owning your own domain and data, and controlling your career.  Stacey Bedford, Bandzoogle CEO (a 2019 Billboard Digital Power Player) and  Dave Cool, Vice President of Business Development, tell how Bandzoogle has been helping artists build websites since the early ‘00s and adapt to the changing music industry. Find out how Bandzoogle artists are building their own revenue streams with direct-to-fan marketing, mailing lists, fan club subscription tiers, e-commerce, ticketing, crowdfunding, and tips. Stacy and Dave share their insights on pandemic trends. Do tickets or virtual tip jars make more money for livestreams? Which new startups are they excited about? How does Bandzoogle select partner companies, and how did their dream partnership come about? What makes Bandzoogle different from so many artist services businesses? The Music Tectonics podcast goes beneath the surface of the music industry to explore how technology is changing the way business gets done. Visit MusicTectonics.com to learn more, and find us on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Let us know what you think!

The novel Corona virus COVID-19 pandemic is reminding us that there are things musicians can do to hedge our income during uncertain times. Amidst the cancellation of shows, festivals and conferences, many musicians are feeling uncertain about the near term future. Dave Cool, VP of Business Development at Bandzoogle joins me for a conversation about different ways musicians can still generate income. We also discuss how he became part of the Bandzoogle team and why he recently wrote this blog post on how musicians can ask fans for support during the coronavirus pandemic.    We go on to talk about the following: The pay-what-you-want model Pre-order campaigns Alternative ways of doing house concerts The importance of side hustles Teaching online How the pandemic is affecting Dave and his co-workers at Bandzoogle   For full show notes go to http://unstarvingmusician.com

The novel Corona virus COVID-19 pandemic is reminding us that there are things musicians can do to hedge our income during uncertain times. Amidst the cancellation of shows, festivals and conferences, many musicians are feeling uncertain about the near term future. Dave Cool, VP of Business Development at Bandzoogle joins me for a conversation about different ways musicians can still generate income. We also discuss how he became part of the Bandzoogle team and why he recently wrote this blog post on how musicians can ask fans for support during the coronavirus pandemic.    We go on to talk about the following: The pay-what-you-want model Pre-order campaigns Alternative ways of doing house concerts The importance of side hustles Teaching online How the pandemic is affecting Dave and his co-workers at Bandzoogle   For full show notes go to http://unstarvingmusician.com

Having your own pro website is even MORE important in an age where fan relationships are often owned by anyone but the artist. In this episode, Bandzoogle's Dave Cool talks about creating a good experience for your followers online, capturing their contact info, and using your website as the hub for your music career.

Dave Cool from the website company Bandzoogle is our special guest in this week's podcast episode #101. Dave discusses his background and expertise in the music industry and how he landed a position at Bandzoogle which is an internet company and platform for independent musicians to build their websites, sell merchandise, do crowdfunding and establish membership subscriptions for their super fans and followers. Our informative conversation includes basic tips and strategies indie artists can use to navigate today's music industry digitally as well as the specific tools Bandzoogle offers for customers to improve engagement with their fans. To learn more about Bandzoogle visit/follow: Website: www.bandzoogle.com IG & Twitter: @bandzoogle FB: www.facebook.com/bandzoogle Also, listeners can receive 15% off the first year of any Bandzoogle subscription by simply using the promo code "makingmoneypod". CLICK HERE to get started now!

Dave Cool, the director of artist and industry outreach at Bandzoogle, joins us to discuss the bankruptcy of popular crowdfunding site PledgeMusic and his company's subsequent move into the space. Bandzoogle is a Canadian company that operates globally and is known for its suite of website-building services aimed specifically at musicians. In June, Bandzoogle announced it was launching a crowd funding platform as part of its subscription services. That announcement, not coincidently, corresponded with the bankruptcy of PledgeMusic. Through the previous two years, PledgeMusic suffered a slow death, plagued by missed payments to artists and accusations of misspending by management, which raised many questions about the viability of the crowd funding model itself. So, with Dave, we get into the weeds about PledgeMusic’s collapse and why Bandzoogle thinks it has a better business model for it.

On today's show Rick is joined by Dave Cool from Bandzoogle. They discuss the importance of artists having their own website. Dave and Rick discuss new features from Bandzoogle as well as the necessities for a user-friendly, functioning website. Tune in to hear more about what features need to be included on your site.“If you have poor quality images on your site, people are going to make a judgment about your music before they even hear it. ”-Dave Cool   Subscribe to iTunes or Google Play! Love the podcast? Leave a review on iTunes! What do you want to hear from the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? Tell us here!   Key Highlights:   ⇾Find out why you need a website ⇾The top 3 mistakes artists make on their websites ⇾Discover the “must haves” for your website features Time Stamps: 5:13 A little bit about Bandzoogle 6:29 Bandzoogle website features 7:11 Why you need a website 8:05 Dave Cool's Backstory 10:20 Common mistakes artists make on their websites 16:00 Utilizing electronic press kits 18:04 The must-haves for a website 18:49 Bandzoogle email tools   Resources: Bandzoogle.com CD Baby Blog Ari's Take Gary V's Podcast Perpetual Traffic Sonicbids The Launch MailChimp --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/music-industry-blueprint/message

On today's show Rick is joined by Dave Cool from Bandzoogle. They discuss the importance of artists having their own website. Dave and Rick discuss new features from Bandzoogle as well as the necessities for a user-friendly, functioning website. Tune in to hear more about what features need to be included on your site.“If you have poor quality images on your site, people are going to make a judgment about your music before they even hear it. ”-Dave Cool   Subscribe to iTunes or Google Play! Love the podcast? Leave a review on iTunes! What do you want to hear from the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? Tell us here!   Key Highlights:   ⇾Find out why you need a website ⇾The top 3 mistakes artists make on their websites ⇾Discover the “must haves” for your website features Time Stamps: 5:13 A little bit about Bandzoogle 6:29 Bandzoogle website features 7:11 Why you need a website 8:05 Dave Cool's Backstory 10:20 Common mistakes artists make on their websites 16:00 Utilizing electronic press kits 18:04 The must-haves for a website 18:49 Bandzoogle email tools   Resources: Bandzoogle.com CD Baby Blog Ari's Take Gary V's Podcast Perpetual Traffic Sonicbids The Launch MailChimp --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/music-industry-blueprint/message

Original Article: https://bandzoogle.com/blog/the-8-things-that-should-be-in-every-band-s-digital-press-kit Today on ManageMental, Blasko and Mike answer a question from Chris, a loyal listener, and discuss an article written by their buddy Dave Cool of Bandzoogle to talk about press kits and EPK's. You might remember Dave from Episode 55, check it out if you haven't already. This is gonna be killer, so let's get mental! I have an idea for a topic to be covered on the podcast, as I haven't heard much about it and I think it would be really beneficial for anyone in the underground scene to learn more about: Press Kits Now this is another two part question, as the platforms for press kits are delivered in both physical and online forms. So the first question to you and Mike, What are you guys looking for in online press kits? Is there a model you use with the bands on your roster to fit certain criteria? The second question: I imagine you and Mike are constantly bombarded with press kits from bands looking for management. My band is currently creating physical press kits to send to both labels and management companies. Are physically shipping press kits to labels and management effective in this day and age? Do you guys even dive into packages from unknown bands anymore? If so what are things you'd like to see in physical press packs? Always a loyal listener and fan, Chris Rockabilia is your One Stop Shop for all band merch with the largest selection of officially licensed music merchandise in the world! Find merch from your favorite bands and use PCJABBERJAW for 15% off at www.rockabilia.com Bandzoogle makes it easy to build a stunning website for your music in minutes. Choose from hundreds of mobile-friendly themes, then customize your design and content in a few clicks with Bandzoogle's easy visual editor. All the features you need for a professional website are already built-in, including:Tools to sell your music & merch commission-free, right on your websiteMailing list tools to grow your fan list and send newslettersIntegrations to pull in content from all of your online services like Twitter, Instagram, and SoundCloudAnd live support from their musician-friendly team 7 days a weekBandzoogle plans start at just $8.29/month and includes your own free custom domain name. Go to Bandzoogle.com to try it free for 30 days, and be sure to use the promo code “mental” to get 15% off the first year of your subscription. Bandzoogle: websites built for musicians, by musicians. Want more industry insight? Outerloop Coaching has you covered. www.outerloopcoaching.com We want to hear from you so please don't hesitate to email any questions or comments to askblasko@gmail.com Find Blasko on Twitter and Instagram: @blasko1313Find Mike Mowery on Twitter and Instagram: @mikeoloop ManageMental is part of the Jabberjaw Media Network. www.jabberjawmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week Blasko and Mike sit down with Dave Cool from Bandzoogle and why websites are important to your bands marketing strategy. Today's episode of ManageMental is powered by Rockabilia.com. This is gonna be killer, so let's get mental! Band Marketing Basics Original Article: https://bandzoogle.com/blog/marketing-your-band-13-essential-strategies Author: Lisa Occhino is the founder of SongwriterLink and the Director of Marketing & Communications at Soundfly. She's also a pianist, award-winning songwriter, and graduate of Berklee College of Music. Use your email newsletter: Your email list is an incredibly valuable direct line to your most dedicated fans. You have no control over Facebook's ever-changing News Feed algorithm, but you can always use your newsletter to reach the people who want to hear from you the most. Have a website: Investing in a great band website is one of the most important things you can do to maximize your marketing efforts. No matter how many newsletters you send out or how many Facebook ads you run, a poorly designed, outdated website — or no website at all — will hurt your credibility and give off the impression that you're not serious about your music. When done right, your band website acts as the central hub for everything. You have full control over the user experience and the data, and you can sell your music and merch direct-to-fan. Engage your fans: As you've read through these strategies, you've probably gathered by this point that it all really boils down to this: build genuine relationships that turn your casual fans into devoted superfans, and they'll supplement all of your efforts with the most powerful marketing of all — word of mouth. It obviously requires consistent hard work to engage and nurture your fans, but those superfans are the key to building a legitimate, long-lasting music career. Rockabilia is your One Stop Shop for all band merch with the largest selection of officially licensed music merchandise in the world! Find merch from your favorite bands and use PCMANAGEMENTAL for 15% off at www.rockabilia.com Bandzoogle.com makes it easy to build a stunning website for your music in minutes. Choose from hundreds of mobile-friendly themes, then customize your design and content in a few clicks with Bandzoogle's easy visual editor. All the features you need for a professional website are already built-in, including: Tools to sell your music & merch commission-free, right on your websiteMailing list tools to grow your fan list and send newslettersIntegrations to pull in content from all of your online services like Twitter, Instagram, and SoundCloudAnd live support from their musician-friendly team 7 days a week Bandzoogle plans start at just $8.29/month and includes your own free custom domain name.Use the promo code “mental” to get 15% off the first year of your subscription. Bandzoogle: websites built for musicians, by musicians. Want more industry insight? Outerloop Coaching has got you covered, head over to www.outerloopcoaching.com We want to hear from you so please don't hesitate to email any questions or comments to askblasko@gmail.com Find Blasko on Twitter and Instagram: @blasko1313 Find Mike Mowery on Twitter and Instagram: @mikeoloop ManageMental is part of the Jabberjaw Media Network. www.jabberjawmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stand-up comedian and author Dave O'Neil talks to host Elizabeth Harris at his office at The Grandview Hotel, Fairfield, against a backdrop of motorcycles revving their engines, doors opening and closing, and phones ringing, about: His latest book, The Summer of '82, a tribute to post-VCE life in the 80s and the shenanigans of his youth How to get started as a stand-up comedian Tips for dealing with hecklers when you're performing His days performing in the band Captain Cocoa, the Devo "Energy Dome" train encounter, and how he feels about being recognized in public His upcoming TV show. Find out more about Dave's work at DaveONeil.com.au. FULL TRANSCRIPT Elizabeth: Welcome to Writers’ Tête-à-Tête with Elizabeth Harris, the show that connects authors, songwriters and poets with their global audience. So I can continue to bring you high-calibre guests, I invite you to go to iTunes or Spotify, click Subscribe, leave a review, and share this podcast with your friends. Today I’m thrilled to introduce one of the funniest and most entertaining men I’ve ever had the pleasure to meet – Dave O’Neil. Dave: Gee, that’s a big introduction. I’ve met funnier. Elizabeth: There’s more Dave. Dave O’Neil has been in the business of comedy for 20 years, and is one of Australia’s most recognizable stand-up comics, having put in 15 Melbourne international comedy festivals and dozens of comedy clubs nationally. On screen you will have seen Dave as Team Captain in the ABC TV comedy quiz show Tractor Monkeys, as well as dishing out life advice in The Agony of Life, The Agony of Modern Manners, The Agony of The Mind, Can of Worms, plus messing about on Adam Hills In GorDave Street Tonight and Good News Week. He is probably most well-known for the honour of being the guest with the most appearances (over 50) on ABC TV’s ever popular Spicks & Specks. Dave O’Neil, welcome to Writers’ Tête-à-Tête with Elizabeth Harris. Dave: Welcome. Thank you. Lovely to be here. Pleasure to be called a writer, as opposed to a comedian. Elizabeth: Well, isn’t this your fifth book? Dave: Yeah yeah, two were kids’ books. My partner and I did them in Australia before we had kids. Elizabeth: When you had more time. Dave: We had more time, that’s right. And one’s called Lies That Parents Tell You, so I wouldn’t write that now. My daughter sits up in bed reading it and quotes it back to me. Elizabeth: How old is she? Dave: Ten. Yes, it’s tough. Elizabeth: I was at Kaz Cooke’s book launch about … Dave: On girl power? Yeah, she’s great. I’ve got to buy that book! Elizabeth: So Dave, you’ve been through so much in your career, but today I want to concentrate on your hilarious book, The Summer of ’82. Dave: Sure. Elizabeth: It’s a real feel-good book, and you cover some intense themes. Discipline. Masculinity. Sexuality. Mateship. Stalking. Dave: Stalking – that’s right. I followed a girl in Mildura. Back then it wasn’t known as “stalking”; it was known as “unrequited love”. Sexuality – there’s not much sexuality going on in there, I can tell you that. There’s a lack of activity in that department, that’s for sure. Elizabeth: You were talking about how you were giving advice to 17-year-old virgins. Dave: That’s right. A little girl at school would ask me for romance advice. I was like, that’s not who you go to for romance advice. You see, I was a nice guy, so the girls talked to me. Elizabeth: We like nice guys. So getting back to this book: What inspired you to write it, and what’s your favourite memory from summer? Dave: I always wanted to write a memoir from the 80s, and I wrote a few chapters and put it aside. I saw that TV show This is England on SBS, about the young guys growing up in the Housing Commission area, and I thought I’ve got to write something like that, because that’s in my era. But their show ended with incest and murder, whereas that never happened to me, so I thought why not write a more positive recollection of that time. So I wrote a few chapters and put it aside. And then my son started high school, and so you go to the local high school and it brought back all these memories from when I was in high school. Elizabeth: At Mitcham High? Dave: I went to Mitcham High, yeah. Back then we had a choice of the tech or the high school, and if you were Catholic, you went to Catholic school. We weren’t Catholic. So now, and I’m talking about the government schools, not the private schools – you can choose from 3 or 4 around here, so you go to this school or that school, and they’re all the same basically. They haven’t changed much since 1982. They look the same. You’ve got the oval, the canteen, big classrooms, kids sitting around, so they haven’t changed at all, so I thought I should write that book again. It brought back all those memories, and so my son started school, and that’s why I did it. That’s why. Elizabeth: Now we know. Dave: It’s just something to do. As comedians, we’ve got to have something to do, apart from studio gigs. Elizabeth: That’s good. So talking a bit about your children, you mentioned your parents Kev and Joyce – “Joyce the Voice”. Dave: Yep, “Joyce the Voice”. Elizabeth: And what I’m wondering now is, are you parenting your children differently from how you were parented then? Dave: Definitely, definitely. We got hit for a start. Elizabeth: What with? Dave: A belt. So Kev would get very angry – it’s in the book – he would get very angry, come running in in a singlet, trying to hide his nether regions, swinging a belt above his head, and whack us in the ... Elizabeth: My dad had a strap up on the fridge. I think we had a very similar upbringing. Dave: I don’t hit my children, but obviously parenting your kids back then was a bit easier, because you’d just say “I’ll hit you”, and that was a full stop to the conversation, whereas all I can do is yell at them. Elizabeth: How about cracking some jokes – does that work? Dave:  Yeah, crack some jokes, try and alleviate the situation, but my daughter in particular doesn’t like that. Elizabeth: Is that because she’s heard them all before? Dave: Yeah, she’s heard them all before. “It’s not funny Dad!” My mum and dad were pretty involved with us. My dad was a Scout leader and staff, so we spent a fair bit of time with him. He was a good role model, and Joyce was introvertly involved in our lives. But he’s even more involved these days – at school pickup and all that. There’s a lot more dads involved now. Elizabeth: That’s fantastic, so you’ve got that support as well. When we met at your book launch, you told me that you only know comedians. Dave: It’s true. I don’t know any writers really. Elizabeth: Well, you know me. Dave: I know you. And I know Arnold ... who lives around here, who wrote Scheherezade Cafe. He's famous! (Ed: Cafe Scheherazade by Arnold Zable) Elizabeth: Maybe you can introduce me to Arnold. Is that like Arnold on Happy Days? Dave: (Laughs) He’s had a book out called Fido – the Box of the Fido. Elizabeth: I can’t believe I made Dave O’Neil laugh. Dave:  So I see him on the street here, in Fairfield, and I talk to him about writing and stuff. Elizabeth: That brings me to something about fame. You’re a very famous star. Dave: Not that famous. Elizabeth: Well, we think you are. So, what we want to know is, do you like being recognized when you’re out and about, or does fame have a downside? Dave: No, my level of fame is pretty small, so people like Dave Hughes or Glenn Robbins, or Carl Barron for instance – they can get hassled all the time. Elizabeth: Well, in my network, I have a number of people who would love to meet you. Dave: Really? Well, tell ’em I’m around. Elizabeth: And they’re going to be really disappointed that here we are, at the Grandview in Fairfield – it’s a stunning place, gorgeous building, lovely people. Dave: They’re nice people here. Elizabeth: Michael? Dave:  Michael and Noah, yep. Elizabeth: Jenny? Dave: Michael, Noah and Jenny – they’re all the higher level management here. Elizabeth: They are, and they made me feel very, very welcome. Made me a coffee. Smiled and when I offered to pay, wouldn’t take my money. It’s fantastic! Dave: Ah that’s good. I didn’t tell them – you tell someone and they pass it on. It’s all on my tab, probably. My level of fame is not that high. Occasionally when you go interstate – the more you go interstate like Queensland – people get excited about you, but certainly around Fairfield Road, no one cares about you. Elizabeth: Well, they could have chimed some…”Captain Cocoa”… Dave:  What, with the band? That’s right. Well when the band broke up, someone did say, “How is Dave O’Neil going to be famous now?” Ambition for fame… Elizabeth: Let’s stop right there. Was it to meet girls? Dave: Probably. Definitely not music. We went and saw bands, and just thought: Why can’t we be in a band? And the guy at high school was … famous 80s band … “hands up in the air”…I didn’t see it. And so we thought, that’s the way to meet girls, get up on stage. Elizabeth: Did it work? Dave: Well, I met Sonia, who…but anyway, definitely does work. Being in a band definitely does give you the attention you want as a teenager. We used to play at Catholic girls’ schools …dances …You didn’t have to be good; we weren’t good musicians. Elizabeth: I want to talk about Sonia. You did invest a lot of time and you write about that in your great book. Then you say you end up having a better relationship with her younger brother. Dave:  Well, that’s right. What happened was that I hitchhiked to Mildura to see her on New Year’s Eve to surprise her. And she was surprised, particularly her dad. And they gave me a lift to the caravan park where I stayed for New Year’s Eve. And the younger brother – I can’t remember his name – he was a great kid, and so we got on really well. He’s probably a year, two years younger than me. Was it Shane – Shane? So we ended up hanging out together. Elizabeth: Was it Malcolm? Dave:  Malcolm, that’s right. And we got on really well, whereas Sonia and me didn’t get on well. Elizabeth: Well, that might have something to do with the boyfriend too. Dave: She had a boyfriend who I also got on well with. Probably married, those guys. So, yeah, good times. Elizabeth: So getting back to that, I just want to know, for all those young men who think they’ll never get a date, much less have a child: you’ve had three, haven’t you? Dave: Yes. Elizabeth: What dating advice can you offer? Dave:  Dating advice? That’s a good one. It’s been so long since I’ve gone on a date…not since the 80s. Surprise question – dating advice. Ask someone out – you know a good thing is to ask someone out for a drink or for something during the day. That’s what I read on some dating websites. Ask someone out during the day where there’s no pressure. At night I think there’s a fair bit of pressure. I reckon ask them out for a drink during the day or late afternoon. Elizabeth: What about a play date? Dave: Well, if you’re parents, definitely. Elizabeth: That seems to work well. Dave: Yeah, I think in our age group - I Dave’t know how old you are, but I’m middle-aged – there’s definitely a bit of that going on with divorce and separated parents. And fair enough. Elizabeth: And there’s a really good place to go in St Kilda called St Kilda Adventure Playground. Dave: Oh, I’ve never been there! Elizabeth: It’s great. Dave: That’s great. Elizabeth: And there’s a fellow who runs it – he’s a youth worker but he’s also a musician. Adrian Thomas. Check him out – he’s fantastic. So what do you like to do in your spare time? Dave: I like to watch TV. Elizabeth: Yourself perhaps? Dave: Not myself. I don’t like watching myself. I did a spot on one of those comedy galas this year. I hadn’t seen it; I watched it, I thought it was pretty good. I’m pretty happy … I was judge of myself. Elizabeth: Of course it’s good. Dave: What happened is…so I spend a lot of time with 3 children. Once I get them to bed at night, or if I’m home during the day, I do like to watch a bit of TV. And I watch a mixture of – I watch a few movies but more serious these days. There’s a mixture of comedies and drama. I do like a good drama, you know like Vikings or something like that. Elizabeth: I’m a fan of Doc Martin myself because I’m a nurse. Dave: Oh ya Doc Martin. Is he Aspergers? Yeah, must be Aspergers. I’ve been watching … the comedy show … it’s quite funny … so I watch that, get some laughs out of that. What else have I been taping…oh yeah…West World on Foxtel. Elizabeth: Oh yes. More fun to watch yourself, you know. Dave: Watch yourself? Yeah, no thanks. Elizabeth: What I’d love you to do is share an excerpt from your great book. Dave: Sure. Do you want me to read it to you or tell you it? Elizabeth: Whatever works for you. Dave: I’ll tell you a story. This is the story of The Bomb, the laying of The Bomb. Basically, what happened was we finished school and we went home. No, we went and registered for the dole, and then we went home. Elizabeth: As we all did. Dave: And my kids said to me, “How did you know how to make bombs before the internet?” Well, we didn’t need the internet. We had this chap called Brian every night, 6 o’clock. He used to tell us everything we needed to know on the Channel 9 news every night. Elizabeth: Can you sing the song? Dave: (Sings) “Brian told me, Brian told me, Brian told me so I know everything I need to know, cos Brian told me so.” Elizabeth: Great tone. Dave: Great tone, yeah, I wasn’t just a comedian; I was a singer. So you can imagine these four teenage boys and Mum and Dad, and we couldn’t see the TV – Dad was the only one who could see the TV – we could hear it. He positioned himself in the chair that sits there. So we could hear it. We heard this Brian guy say: “Two boys were arrested today in suburban Adelaide for making homemade bombs.” We were like, oh my God, you could hear a pin drop in the house. Then he told us how to make it, by using chlorine and brake fuel. We were looking at each other, like, we’ve got chlorine – we’ve got a pool – and we’ve got brake fluid; Dad’s a Trades teacher. “So can we please be excused from the table, Dad?” Within 10 minutes we were making bombs. So the next day we got my mates together and we made – we decided to up the ante and make some really big bombs. And we made this great bomb, but we didn’t want to throw it; we were gutless like any terrorist organization, so we recruited younger, stupider people like Phil, who lived in the house backing here on the paddock. He stuck his head over and said, “What are yous guys doing?” So we got him to throw the bomb, and he threw it. And it bounced – boom, boom – and it sat there, and then it went BANG! Real loud explosion, the biggest one we’d made. It showered us with dirt, and we were all laughing, and the neighbours came out. An old lady said, “It shook the foundations of my chook shed!” And we’re like “It works!” And then the cops turned up. We heard it. The car screeched up, the doors go, a cop pulls out, and we recognized him – he went to our high school, he was one of my Dad’s Scouts from his Scout trips – obviously he was in his twenties now. Darren, his name was. And he gets out, and it was the easiest case he’d ever solved. He looked at the bomb, then he looked at our house, and he was like “Oh yeah, case solved.” And then Dad had rocked up. Dad thought Darren had just dropped in to see his former Scout leader, and Dad goes up to him and goes, “G’day Darren, how are you?” And Darren goes, “Ah, this is no social visit Kevin. Do you recognize these containers?” “Yeah, they are my sons’, sitting in the garage.” And we were like, “Oh no…” So we went to the police station. And the bomb expert from India was on the site, and he couldn’t work out what was in the bombs. And he said, “What’s in the bombs?” “Chlorine and brake fluid.” And he’s like “How’d you know how to do that?” And we went, “Brian told me.” “RIGHT, WHO’S BRIAN?!” So we sang: “Brian told me, Brian told me, Brian told me so”. I love that story. Elizabeth: Such a great tune, isn’t it. Dave: Yeah, it’s a great tune, and they used it in Sydney too, you know. Brian Henderson. Value for money. That’s in the book – lots of detail about the 70s and 80s in The Summer of ’82. Elizabeth: See, that crime history continued because being from a family of four boys … your brother Mark captured my attention. Dave:  Yeah Mark’s quite a character in the book. That’s what my mum said the other day: “You were the worst, and now you’re the best.” He’s very good with Mum and Dad. Elizabeth:  He was a slow starter. Dave: He was a slow starter, classic middle child out of four boys, and he was very naughty. Got in trouble a lot with the police and he got kicked out of school for setting fire to the chemistry lab. He was meant to be getting changed for Oklahoma I think it was, and he set fire to the lab, and got kicked out. Elizabeth: See, I’d actually like to read this – I know you don’t like to, but I do. Dave:  Go on. Elizabeth: Page 88 – you write: “We’re talking about a kid who’s kicked out of school for setting fire to the chemistry lab while he was meant to be getting changed for his part in the school musical. Hmm, there’s young Mark in the lab where he’s supposed to be putting on his farmer’s overalls to sing in Oklahoma. Wait! The chemicals are too tempting, so it’s time for a quick experiment. Va-voom! Up in flames the lab goes.” See, I have a brother who is an illustrator. His name is Bernie Harris, and he’s going to illustrate my second children’s book which will be out next year. But he’s similar to Mark in that he used to enjoy lighting the Bunsen burners in the chemistry lab. Dave:  Ah yeah, they’ve still got Bunsen burners too. Yeah, Mark was very naughty. Elizabeth: So the difference between our brothers was that he wasn’t caught. Dave:  Yeah, right, Mark was caught. Elizabeth: But you had your own way of managing Mark when your parents were away. Do you call it “MYOB Night” or “M.Y.O.B. Night”? Dave: Oh. Make-Your-Own? Make-Your-Own. Elizabeth: You were very inventive Dave, and strategic in managing your brother. Dave: Yeah, he was put in charge of us when Mum and Dad went on holidays, and at that stage he was an apprentice at Telstra. And so he would invite his mates over for a card night. And I was working in a factory and I had to get up early. And he was like … Elizabeth: You get Endangerment, don’t you? Dave: Yeah, I was working in a factory and you look at the pay packet and we got Heat Allowance and Dust Allowance. It wasn’t a great job but it was certainly a wakeup call. If I’d done the job at the start of Year 12, I probably would have studied more, I think. Should have done that. But Mark … Elizabeth: There was something about connectors and fuses, I think. Dave: Ah yeah. He invited his mates over for cards and they were having this big party, and I pulled the fuse out of the fuse box, threw it out on the lawn, and went back to bed. And the music went (mimics sound of music dying out suddenly)… And he blamed the neighbor of course. So I think when he read the book, he found out it was me. Elizabeth: It was brilliant. So that job, crawling through those … crawling through those tunnels. And the hot dog … Dave: Hot dog shop. Elizabeth: With Cindy. Dave: With Cindy. So I got a job in a hot dog shop: Alecto Hot Dogs on Toorak Road. People from Melbourne may remember. Elizabeth: Sorry I don’t remember. Dave: You don’t remember Alecto Hot Dogs ’92? Yum. So I worked at Alecto Hot Dogs with a girl named Cindy, whom I eventually went out with. She was dressed up like Boy George or Hazie Fantazie and she had all these outrageous outfits. Turned out she was from Mitcham where I lived; I’d just never met her. She was a Catholic and I was Protestant. Different sides of the railway track. So that was very exciting. But I eventually got sacked from the hot dog shop because the owner accused me of stealing the rolls and selling them to an opposition shop, when in fact I was just eating them. Elizabeth: Was there proof of that? Dave: Yeah, I was eating them. But then my twin brother was also working there – I have a twin – and he got a full-time job so I just took his job, the part-time job, and kept turning up as him. Elizabeth: Are you identical? Dave: Yeah. And they’d say “Didn’t I sack you?” And I’d say “No, that’s my brother.” He’d probably be 20 kilos lighter than me now. He lives in Switzerland; he works for Red Cross. He’s the good twin; I’m the bad twin. He’s doing good stuff. Elizabeth: The ability to make people laugh is such a gift, and not everybody can do it. Dave: Not everybody can do it. It takes practice. Eizabeth: So tell me about that. Dave: Making people laugh? When I was at school, I was pretty funny, and when I was at uni and stuff, a few girls said “You should be a stand-up comedian – you’re quite funny.” Now when you’re in your twenties and girls say that, that’s a call actually. Elizabeth: Means something, doesn’t it. Dave: Yeah it’s a call actually. You should do it. And so I always wanted to do it; I didn’t know it was a job. I had no idea, especially in the 70s – comedy wasn’t prevalent, it was fringe. There are a few comedy clubs that have started, but maybe one work function with comedians. We’ve seen comedians on Scout camps; we used to have comedians turn up to do gigs on Scout camps. So it was definitely something I wanted to do; I just didn’t know how to do it. I thought it was something too out of my reach, but turned out anyone could do it, if you wanted. Elizabeth: For those that want to launch their comedic careers, is it really the hard slog of gigs and being heckled? And if so, what’s the best way of dealing with the heckling? Dave: Well I don’t get heckled much anymore, but certainly when you start out, and you’ve got to do a lot of bad gigs – they call them “Open Mic Nights “. Anyone can get up and do it – and if you have an inkling, there’s plenty of them around now, more so than when I started. I would advise people to go and have a look first, and then approach the person running the night and ask to go on the next week and just jump up – write some stuff down and jump up and do it. The hecklers? Best thing to do with hecklers: repeat what they say. So they say: “You’re a fat idiot.” And you say “What did you say, mate? I’m a fat idiot?” Which lets everyone in the room hear what they say. Because a lot of hecklers do it so no one else can hear what they say, especially in a big room. “You’re a blah-blah.” “Oh really, mate.” And so you repeat what they say, and then you think of something really quick to say back. It doesn’t even have to be that funny; it just has to be quick. I can’t think of any Elizabeth: On the front cover of this great book, you are pictured wearing a Devo Energy Dome, Dave. Can you explain the impact it had in your life, and what the proclamation “Are We Not Men?” means? Dave: “We are Devo”. I don’t know what it means – just something they say in one of their songs – album name. Elizabeth:What it means more so on the train? Dave: Oh on the train! We went and saw Devo. They had a 9-day tour; they had a few No. 1 hits in Australia. Elizabeth: What were they? Dave:  “Whip It”. “Girl U Want”. Elizabeth: You’re not going to sing to me. Dave:  No. “Whip It cracked that whip…one sat on the greenhouse tree…” Elizabeth: Did you bring your guitar? Dave: No. I play the bass. Anyway, so we went and watched Devo. It was a great night and we were all dressed up in our best; we were slightly alternative kids. Elizabeth: Does that mean you used to wear makeup? Dave: No, I didn’t wear makeup, but I had makeup on that night because I’d been rehearsing for The Game Show, which is a TV show. They’re really cool people…and so we dressed up in our best trendy gear: nice jeans and lemon vintage jumpers. Elizabeth: Lemon. Dave: Lemon vintage; might have had a pink one if someone was in a brave mood. Then we had these homemade Devo hats, these red flower pots Mum had made. Elizabeth: Joyce made them! Dave:  Joyce made them. Crafty. And so we were on the train. We were on a high, singing these Devo songs. Unfortunately for us, The Angels and Rose Tattoo were playing the Myer Music Bowl that night, and all their fans had gone on to Richmond, so this was a classic case of “last train out”. Elizabeth: For those that weren’t kids in the 80s, tell me about The Angels and Rose Tattoo and Henry Anderson. Dave: Yeah, bald-headed guy, tattoos. They’re basically hard rock; they’re a great band. They have fans who are hardcore bogans, so guys from the outer suburbs in mullets, stretch jeans, moccasins – tough guys. Elizabeth: What sort of suburb are we talking about? Dave:  We’re talking about Moroolbark, Lilydale, Ringwood. I grew up in Mitcham – there are plenty of them in Mitcham, so they would get on the train and they would look at us and be like, “What the … who are these guys?” And so we were like their enemy. And so one of them came over and he didn’t know where to start, so he started at the shoes. “Where did you get your shoes from?” And I’m like “The shoe shop.” And he’s like “No, you got them from the op shop.” Like that was an insult. I wanted to ask “Where did you get your language from? Your nan’s wardrobe?” But I didn’t say that. I was hoping my Energy Dome would transform itself and he would get picked up and thrown out of the window. Elizabeth: But it didn’t work. Dave:  It didn’t work. And he’s like “Do you have makeup on?” And I went “Why would I have makeup on?” I did have makeup on. So I had come from The Game Show rehearsal and I did have foundation and lipstick on, and I had forgotten to take it off. And he goes “I’m going to bash you!” And at that point in the book – when I do it live, it’s different – … came through the carriage. He was the tough guy from high school – he’s now a lawyer – and he came through the carriage, and he was a big Greek guy, and he was a big Devo fan so we got on very well. And he was like “What are you…?” and he pushes this guy aside – “What are you doing to him?” And then these guys “Yeah, nah, nah…” and then we pull up at the station. They pull the door open and he fell out on the wrong side of the track - the tough guy. Classic tough guy move – they pull the door when they’re not meant to, and then jump out. He jumped out on the wrong side of the tracks and fell on the tracks so all his mates laughed: “Yer, Gary!” Elizabeth: Oh, his name was Gary. Dave:  Yeah, Gary, classic name. And then everyone was like “Are we not men?” And then we were like “Yeah, we are Devo!” and we were chanting on the train. Good times. Elizabeth: Well, the whole book’s great, cause I’ve read it cover to cover. Dave:  Oh, good on you. You’re the only one. Elizabeth: No, I’m sure many, many people will be reading it, especially after our podcast goes live. Dave: Cool. Elizabeth: No, truly. What’s your next project, Dave? Dave:  I’ve written a TV show that I’m going to film soon. I’m just doing a pilot though; it’s based on my life as a stand-up and dad, so we’re going to film it soon, in December. Elizabeth: Can you talk about the people involved in it? Dave:  Oh yes of course, it’s based on my life as a comic, so I play myself. Glenn Robbins is in the first episode - he plays himself, because I’m always trying to get him to do charity gigs. He plays himself. Brendan Fevola - he plays himself. Well, it’s all based on an incident where I did a football club gig 15 years ago, where I insulted … I didn’t know Lance Whitnall - Carlton legend – came from that club – that was his original … and his mum was there when I made it. So I’m using Brendan Fevola in this. I’m too scared to ring Lance Whitnall, let’s be honest. So I know Brendan Fevola and I rang him, and he’s like “Yeah, yeah, no worries!” So that’s going to be out next year. I’m also working on a comic novel – I’ve written a chapter of a comic novel. I had no plans to do it at all, but I got this idea, so I started writing it, and I think it’s pretty funny. Elizabeth:  Of course it’s funny – it’s you. What else would it be? Dave:  And again it’s a satire based on the entertainment industry. Elizabeth:  That would be interesting, and funny. Dave:  I’ve got to change everyone’s name. Elizabeth: Are these people going to be recognizable? Dave:  Yes. Elizabeth: Of course they are. (Laughter) Dave:   There’s an amalgamation of people in there – part me, and other people, you know. Elizabeth:  Composite characters. Dave: Composite characters, so you don’t get sued. Elizabeth: So do you have a website or blog where my listeners can find out more about your work? Dave: Yes. Just go to my Facebook page. I update my Facebook page a lot. It’s “Dave O’Neil”. But if you just go to my website – dave-o-neil-dot-com-dot-au - there’s a link to my Facebook page. I don’t update my website that much, but I do update Facebook a lot because it’s so easy. I’ve got a public page, like a fan page. I don’t spend any time on my personal page at all. Elizabeth: So Dave, this is a signature question I ask all my guests because of my book, Chantelle’s Wish: What do you wish for, for the world … Dave:  World peace. Elizabeth:  … and most importantly, for yourself? We’ll start with you. Dave:  For the world? Well, as Rodney King once said, why can’t we all just get along? Elizabeth: Good point. Dave: That’ll be good, if everyone got along. I don’t see wars stopping, but if we just looked after the – I saw this great documentary about astronauts, and this astronaut, when he was up in space, he looked at the earth and he said, “It’s like an oasis, and we’re killing it.” So, interesting from an astronaut, ‘cause they’re like military guys, you know what I mean? So if we could look after the planet, that would be good, but I don’t know what I can do, you know. I do the occasional benefit. Elizabeth: I was going to say you mentioned fundraising; let’s talk about that. Dave: More of my benefits are for schools - local schools and kinders, that’s what I do, just because I’m in that world. Elizabeth:  They must love that, though. That really helps them. Dave:  I do benefits, and I’ll tell you what, if the benefit’s no good, I just get up on stage and I say: ‘I’m here to support the cause. See you later!” Some of the people have benefits in bars, and people are talking and not listening, and I think, “What’s the point?” Elizabeth: Well, I’d like to invite you to help us out. Pat Guest – he’s a children’s author, and he has a son, Noah, who has Duchenne’s Muscular Dystrophy, and we are creating an event where Rosalie Ham, author of The Dressmaker, will be there. Dave:  Oh wow. Elizabeth: She’s got a book out called There Should Be More Dancing. Aric Yegudkin and his wife Masha will be dancing, so he would like to do a bit of … Dave:  Sure. Elizabeth:  And all the donations will go to Duchenne’s Muscular Dystrophy to help those kids, because unfortunately that is terminal. Dave: Alright. Elizabeth: And I’ve nursed a couple of those children, so it’s … Dave: Full on. Elizabeth: It is full on. Dave: Yeah, I can help with that. Elizabeth: Thank you. So thank you Dave O’Neil. Dave:  Thank you for having me. Elizabeth:  It’s been an absolute delight. Dave O’Neil, thank you very much for guesting on Writers’ Tête-à-Tête with Elizabeth Harris. Dave:  Thank you. [END OF TRANSCRIPT]

Hi Podcast Listeners! Contest Note: thecelebritycafe.com is hosting a contest where you can win a free copy of Ryan's Break the Business Book. Go check it out! In the first segment, Ryan and Dave talk about comedian Mike Birbiglia's NY Times Article "6 Tips for Making it Small in Hollywood. Or Anywhere." Even though Birbiglia's article mainly focuses on achieving success in comedy and writing, his lessons are also important ones for independent artists to hear. In the second segment, musician and industry expert Dave Cool drops by. Dave is the Director of Artist and Industry Outreach at Bandzoogle, a platform that allows artists to create a website and manage their content and merchandise. Ryan talks to Dave about building websites and also talks to him about his e-book "23 Ways Musicians Can Make Money." In the interview, Dave talks about the wide variety of (often unknown) revenue streams that indie artists have available to them to effectively monetize their career. Check out more of Dave Cool's work by visiting www.davecool.ca. In the final segment, Dave (our co-host, not Dave Cool) and Ryan talk about the new book "Powerhouse," which chronicles the exciting (and often shocking) history of Hollywood's Creative Artists Agency. Ryan and Dave then close with a rousing game of "Canada Town or Hoser Talk," with your host CanaDave. Thank you all very much for listening. Rate/review/subscribe to the Podcast on iTunes and SoundCloud. Like Break the Business on Facebook. Follow Ryan @ryankair and Dave @metaldave85. And tell a friend about the show! And visit www.breakthebusiness.com to get a copy of Ryan's Book "Break the Business: Declaring Your Independence and Achieving True Success in the Music Industry."

Back with Dave Cool of Bandzoogle chatting about networking, its importance, and how to become great at it. Find out what “Polite Persistence” is and how it can benefit you, as well as Dave's important tips every artist should have in place as they grow their career. Finally, get the inside scoop into Bandzoogle and some of the highlights of this amazing platform!MX4 Participants on the interview: Scott Tran, Ethan Martin, Greg Foster, Favour RenaeLinks Mentioned:BandZoogleBands in TownBook on networking: Never Eat Alone by Keith FerrazziSupport the show (http://www.paypal.me/cbemusic)

Dave Cool of Bandzoogle opens up telling us about his journey from starting as a drummer for his dad's band to where he is today. We take a look at the indie music world today versus 10 years ago, and why it's more important than ever to have a strong website. We also dive into HOW to get people to your website, and how to stand out above the crowd.MX4 Participants on the interview: Scott Tran, Ethan Martin, Greg Foster, Favour RenaeLinks Mentioned:BandZoogleBands in TownBook on networking: Never Eat Alone by Keith FerrazziSupport the show (http://www.paypal.me/cbemusic)

Bandzoogle's Dave Cool talks about different ways independent musicians can make money

Dave Cool is the “voice” of Bandzoogle. Dave writes Bandzoogles blog, inspiring and  supporting Bandzoogle’s #1 mission: To make Direct-to-Fan a very real accomplishment for artists and bands everywhere. Dave Cool (and yes, that's his real name!) is perhaps best known for having directed and produced the documentary film "What is INDIE? A look into the World of Independent Musicians" which documented the experience of being an independent artist in the music industry. He's a friend to indie artists everywhere. A big inspiration in the world of musicians and bands, Dave inspires artists to keep control of their content on as many levels as possible and to maximize their fan outreach and merchandising.  If you are a musician, this is a must. 

This is a really fun time! Larry, Dave "Cool", and myself hosted a live hacking event. There were real networks to defend and real exploits coming at them. It was great fun! I took about 4+ hours of audio and condensed it into 36 minutes, so its just the highlights. What will you take away from this? The blue and red team experiences carry through into our real working worlds and it is interesting to hear the mock press interviews, red team updates, and most importantly the end briefings. Want to register for any SANS conference? Please visit http://www.securityweekly.com/sans/ for our referral program and sign up for SEC535 - Embedded Device Hacking Today! Sponsored by Core Security, listen for the new customer discount code at the end of the show Sponsored by Tenable Network Security, creators of Nessus and makers of the Tenable Security Center, software that extends the power of Nessus through sophisticated reporting, remediation workflow, IDS event correlation and much more. Want some cool Security Weekly Gear? Do you hack naked? Check out our Cafepress Store! Hosts: Larry "Uncle Larry" Pesce, Paul Asadoorian Email: psw@securityweekly.com

Live from SANS Las Vegas Network Security 2007! I'd like to thank SANS for having us back, Dave Cool, Rich Mogull for helping out, props to Mike Poor (C.E.O Chief Entertainment Officer), and Eliot from Hack A Day for hanging out and providing t-shirts. Also, our sponsors gave us TONS of free stuff to give away, such as iPod Nanos, Amex and Starbucks Gift cards, t-shirts, and a really cool light saber. Want to register for any SANS conference? Please visit http://www.securityweekly.com/sans/ for our referral program and sign up for SEC535 - Embedded Device Hacking Today! Sponsored by Core Security, listen for the new customer discount code at the end of the show Sponsored by Tenable Network Security, creators of Nessus and makers of the Tenable Security Center, software that extends the power of Nessus through sophisticated reporting, remediation workflow, IDS event correlation and much more. Want some cool Security Weekly Gear? Do you hack naked? Check out our Cafepress Store! Full Show Notes Hosts: Larry "Uncle Larry" Pesce, Paul Asadoorian Email: psw@securityweekly.com

Playlist 05.31.06 Julie Bonk - In the Softness of You DC Sills - Better When I'm Loved Ann Klein - My Own Backyard Dawn DeSimone - Little Flower Lauren Hoffman - Another Song About the Darkness Maren Morris - Walk On Kim Divine - Trouble Melineh Kurdian - Santa Maria Marina V - Something of My Own 99 Names of God - Gabrielle Firebug - Girl Cash Casia - Knocked Up Kelda - Let It Go Ember Swift - H20 (Water is the Cure All) Eden Automatic - Say You're Sorry (Glimmer Version) June is just around the corner and that means it's officially Birthday month here at NetteRadio! We put on our party hats and don't stop celebrating until well into July when Doug says he's finally had enough!! This year is a special year because I'll finally know everything.. for the next year I'll posses the ultimate answer and I can't wait. Leeloo turns over the knowledge and it's like handing over the golden key!! Doug and I watched Dave Cool's documentary film "What is Indie" this weekend and we give it a resounding "Thumbs Up". This DVD is the best resource for artists looking to get started in Indie music and the best pick-me-up for artists who are starting to lose hope. The movie provides a roadmap for all Indie artists alike and is entertaining and well thought out. With insights and tips from Derek Sivers of CD Baby, Panos Panay of Sonicbids, and Suzanne Glass of Indie-music.com as well as top Indie artists like Ember Swift (who is on this week's playlist) we took notes as we laughed! www.whatisindiemovie.com We have great music this week, enjoy the show and get ready for a long hot summer!!!