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What role does episode numbering play in your podcast strategy? We address this question first, and then we'll turn our attention to some major headlines. YouTube has recently implemented a significant algorithm update aimed at providing more visibility for small creators—could this be your moment to shine? We're also celebrating the 10th anniversary of Serial, a podcast that put podcasting on the map, and we'll explore why its latest season might not resonate with listeners. Additionally, we'll cover the latest updates from Buzzsprout and Libsyn's global stats and introduce Ausha's new tool, designed to help you improve your podcast's search rankings. Episode Highlights: [2:33] Icebreaker: Is it important or necessary to number your episodes? And why or why not? [4:53] Reasons for numbering episodes [7:00] Challenges with using episode numbers [10:21] Impact of episode numbers on SEO [18:57] Update on podcast download stats [24:54] Feedback on the Chatter app [28:46] YouTube algorithm favors smaller channels [35:17] Effectiveness of short-form content on YouTube [41:44] Importance of consumer attention spans [44:49] Return of features in Overcast player [45:31] Podcast Search Optimization (PSO) feature by Ausha Links & Resources: The Podcasting Morning Chat: podpage.com/pmc/ Podnews: Podnews.net NextGen Podcaster: www.youtube.com/@nextgenpodcaster Substantial Changes to Youtube Algorithm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5l0g740yZw&t=19s Why YouTube is Dominating Apple Podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W11Vg7nSmWE Sounds Profitable: soundsprofitable.com/research/the-podcast-landscape-2024/ Listen to all Podcast Movement Sessions: https://pm24.supportingcast.fm/?utm_source=podnews.net&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pm24-virtual-coming-soon-2024-08-27 Remember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast. Your support helps us grow and continue to bring valuable content to our community. Join us LIVE every weekday morning at 7am ET (US) on Clubhouse: https://www.clubhouse.com/house/empowered-podcasting-e6nlrk0w Brought to you by iRonickMedia.com and NextGenPodcaster.com Please note that some links may be affiliate links, which support the hosts of the PMC. Thank you! --- Send in your mailbag question at: https://www.podpage.com/pmc/contact/ or marc@ironickmedia.com
As season four comes to a close, we're looking ahead at how podcasting continues to evolve. Award winning content creators discuss their perspective on the growth of podcasting, what that means for the industry side of things, and how the expanding audience base provides more opportunity for diverse voices to find and engage with listeners. We'll shine our Podcast Movement Sessions spotlight on Stuff You Missed In History Class in conversation with co-hosts Holly Frey and Tracy V. Wilson [2:09]; the duo give us their perspective on podcasting's continued evolution [4:18]; plus: Holly and Tracy will tell us about the need to satisfy a more savvy podcast audience [8:48]; award winning creators discuss the evolution of podcasting [14:48]; reporter Justin Ling discusses the role Serial played in podcasting's True Crime boom [17:22]; Jen Chien (lead editor, 70 Million) tells us about the expansion she's seen in social advocacy podcasts [20:03]; and we'll close this season with our spotlight pointed directly at PM19 keynote speaker Patrice Washington [21:21]. Voices in this episode: Stuff You Missed in History Class co-hosts Tracy V. Wilson and Holly Frey, Podcast Movement co-founders Jared Easley and Dan Franks, Tenderfoot TV producer Meredith Stedman, Uncover: The Village host Justin Ling, 70 Million lead editor Jen Chien. Season four of Podcast Movement Sessions is sponsored by Storyblocks! An amazing resource for all your stock footage, AE templates, SFX, and music bed needs...for more information visit: Storyblocks.com/PodcastMovement Tickets are on sale now for Podcast Movement Evolutions coming to Los Angeles in February and for Podcast Movement 2020 coming to Dallas in August! More information at PodcastMovement.com! While there, sign up for our PodMov Daily newsletter, connect with us on Facebook/Instagram/Twitter, and check out our YouTube channel!
In season four's penultimate episode, we'll discuss how Queer Culture has turned to podcasting as a means of telling unique and diverse stories to a global audience. Decorated creators discuss content strategies in the podcast space and how they utilize the intimacy of the audio medium to spread meaningful messages to their growing numbers of listeners. We'll shine our Podcast Movement Sessions spotlight on History Is Gay in conversation with co-host Leigh Pfeffer [1:57]; Leigh speaks to the increasing number of diverse voices in podcasting [6:14]; we'll hear from PM19's 'From Gay History to the Gay Future' session [10:33]; where panelists discussed how podcasting's accessibility has made it a great outlet for untold stories [12:31]; how they've grown their audience base in some unexpected ways [14:16]; how the LGBTQ+ brand of comedy is becoming more and more mainstream [15:47]; panelists give some advice for potential podcasters and content creators [17:27]; finally, we'll shine our Podcast Movement Sessions spotlight on Gay Future in conversation with co-creators Connor Wright and Christina Friel [20:32]; how their team connected with podcasting's global audience and landed on The Atlantic's "50 Best Podcasts of 2019" list [24:38]. Voices in this episode: History is Gay co-host Leigh Pfeffer, Gay Future co-creators Connor Wright and Christina Friel, and Arif Noorani (Executive Producer, CBC Podcasts). Season four of Podcast Movement Sessions is sponsored by Storyblocks! An amazing resource for all your stock footage, AE templates, SFX, and music bed needs...for more information visit: Storyblocks.com/PodcastMovement Tickets are on sale now for Podcast Movement Evolutions coming to Los Angeles in February and for Podcast Movement 2020 coming to Dallas in August! More information at PodcastMovement.com! While there, sign up for our PodMov Daily newsletter, connect with us on Facebook/Instagram/Twitter, and check out our YouTube channel!
As the podcast landscape continues to evolve, traditionally underrepresented communities are utilizing the space to bring their voices to the mainstream. On the Society, Culture, and Advocacy stage at Podcast Movement, content creators discussed the growing diversity in the space and how we can do our part to empower marginalized voices in podcasting. Alia Tavakolian (head of content for Spoke Media) and Elsie Escobar (co-founder of She Podcasts) discuss the expansion of podcasting for diverse voices [2:02]; why podcasts have become a more and more popular outlet for underrepresented communities [3:45]; we'll spotlight PM19's 'Disrupting Spaces' panel in conversation with moderator Tangia Renee Estrada [9:49]; the approaching tipping point for persons of color in podcasting [13:53]; the importance of learning behind-the-scenes skills in production and monetization [15:49]; how we can do our part to empower marginalized voices[18:35]; balancing authenticity with palatability [20:58]; plus: Podcast Movement co-founder Jared Easley and Lipstick and Vinyl CEO Allyson Marino discuss the origins of Podcast Movement's Society, Culture, and Advocacy Track [23:19]. Voices in this episode: Spoke Media co-founder Alia Tavakolian, She Podcast co-founder Elsie Escobar, and 'Disrupting Spaces' moderator Tangia Renee Estrada, Podcast Movement co-founder Jared Easley, Lipstick and Vinyl podcast network founder Allyson Marino. Season four of Podcast Movement Sessions is sponsored by Storyblocks! An amazing resource for all your stock footage, AE templates, SFX, and music bed needs...for more information visit: Storyblocks.com/PodcastMovement Tickets are on sale now for Podcast Movement Evolutions coming to Los Angeles in February and for Podcast Movement 2020 coming to Dallas in August! More information at PodcastMovement.com! While there, sign up for our PodMov Daily newsletter, connect with us on Facebook/Instagram/Twitter, and check out our YouTube channel!
How to create meaningful podcast content empathetically. In conversations recorded on-stage and backstage at Podcast Movement, we're taking a closer look at how podcasters utilize the power of empathy in creation of award winning podcasts and how empathy can help to connect with both audience and guests alike. We'll spotlight Maribel Quezada Smith's on-stage presentation about getting out of your comfort zone (2:17); how Maribel creates empathetic bonds with guests and her audience (6:56); reporter Amber Hunt will discuss the power of empathy in True Crime reporting (13:19); reporter Justin Ling will discuss how he builds trust with sources through empathetic relationships (15:57); We'll spotlight the Peabody Award winning podcast Believed in conversation with reporter and co-host Lindsey Smith (17:36); Lindsey on how her team connected with sources as more than simply victims of a horrific crime (23:06). Voices in this episode: Maribel Quezada Smith (Host of Diferete), Amber Hunt (Host/Reporter of Accused), Justin Ling (Host/Reporter behind Uncover: The Village), and Lindsey Smith (Co-Host/Reporter behind Believed). Season four of Podcast Movement Sessions is sponsored by Storyblocks! An amazing resource for all your stock footage, AE templates, SFX, and music bed needs...for more information visit: Storyblocks.com/PodcastMovement Tickets are on sale now for Podcast Movement Evolutions coming to Los Angeles in February and for Podcast Movement 2020 coming to Dallas in August! More information at PodcastMovement.com! While there, sign up for our PodMov Daily newsletter, connect with us on Facebook/Instagram/Twitter, and check out our YouTube channel!
Audio narrative how-to from heavy hitters in one of podcasting's most popular genres: True Crime. How they crafted award winning audio narrative podcasts including In The Dark, Accused, Uncover: The Village, Unprisoned, and 70 Million. We'll discuss the editorial process with 70 Million lead editor Jen Chien (2:18); reporters Eve Abrams and Daniel Rivero discuss the difference between journalism and advocacy (7:44); Eve shares her thoughts on cultivating sources (12:18); Justin Ling on the role of community buy-in (14:44); Natalie Jablonski on moving to Winona, MS to cover the Curtis Flowers case for season two of In The Dark (17:41); plus: we'll shine our Podcast Movement Sessions spotlight on the PM19 panel ‘How To Make The Ethical True Crime Podcast (And What Not To Do)’, where True Crime producers and hosts discussed how they apply the principles of journalism, ethics, and public interest when creating audio narrative podcasts (19:22). Voices in this episode: Jen Chien (Lead Editor of 70 Million), Eve Abrams (Host of Unprisoned), Justin Ling (Host/Reporter behind Uncover: The Village), Natalie Jablonski (Producer of In The Dark), and Amber Hunt (Host/Reporter of Accused). Season four of Podcast Movement Sessions is sponsored by Storyblocks! An amazing resource for all your stock footage, AE templates, SFX, and music bed needs...for more information visit: Storyblocks.com/PodcastMovement Tickets are on sale now for Podcast Movement Evolutions coming to Los Angeles in February and for Podcast Movement 2020 coming to Dallas in August! More information at PodcastMovement.com! While there, sign up for our PodMov Daily newsletter, connect with us on Facebook/Instagram/Twitter, and check out our YouTube channel!
Sending congrats and discussing Apple's top podcasts of 2019, why podcasts are headed for disaster, pre-fixes on Libsyn, the coalition to expand RSS, mean and median stats and so much more, including soapboxes from both Rob and Elsie! Audience feedback drives the show. We'd love for you to email us and keep the conversation going! Email thefeed@libsyn.com or call 412–573–1934. We'd love to hear from you! Quick Episode Summary :07 Intro! 2:43 PROMO 1: Night Work Pod 3:13 Rob and Elsie Conversation Oh man, when spaghetti at the wall doesn't work, it sucks 8:06 Audio feedback about using Overcast to share audio clips via Kevin A new app that Elsie found with automatic transcriptions for video Congrats to Dave Ramsey and Joe Rogan There is something in common that these top podcasts have, we discuss Rob is getting a new computer and he needs to use a new program to level out his audio! Shout out from Tony from Sci-fi talk - thank you ♥ Are podcasts a disaster waiting to happen? New update to Libsyn! Podcasters will be able to add in a prefix to their show Rob Soapbox again, it's all about privacy 32:48 Audio Feedback from Marc about time codes Discussing a podcasters lauded for his “stupid podcast” 39:43 PROMO 2: WW 1 Digger History Podcast Rob Greenlee and Todd Cochrane want to form a coalition to expand RSS Some things to look for when your show falls from the Apple Podcasts Have you made sure to distribute your show everywhere from within your Libsyn account? 47:49 PROMO 3: Gotham Variety Stats! Mean and median Where have we been: Podcast Movement Sessions and Inside Podcasting Where are we going? Featured Podcast Promos + Audio PROMO 1: Night Work Pod PROMO 2: WW1 Digger History Podcast PROMO 3: Gotham Variety Kevin from Tales of The Black Badge Thank you to Nick from MicMe for our awesome intro! Podcasting Articles and Links mentioned by Rob and Elsie Our SpeakPipe Feedback page! Leave us feedback :) The Future of the Paid Listens program Clipomatic Apple Reveals 2019's Most Popular Podcasts Are podcasts a disaster waiting to happen? Science Supports Your Habit of Falling Asleep to Stupid Podcasts Ne možete spavati? Možda vam ova 4 podcasta mogu pomoći utonuti u san Header Code info! Inside Podcasting Newsletter Dec 5, featuring Elsie, twice! Podcast Movement Sessions featuring Elsie Where is Libsyn Going? (In Real Life) Podcast Movement Evolutions National Religious Broadcasters Podfest NAB Las Vegas KC Podcaster Meet-up HELP US SPREAD THE WORD! We'd love it if you could please share #TheFeed with your twitter followers. Click here to post a tweet! If you dug this episode head on over to Apple Podcasts and kindly leave us a rating, a review and subscribe! Ways to subscribe to The Feed: The Official Libsyn Podcast Click here to subscribe via Apple Podcasts Click here to subscribe via RSS You can also subscribe via Stitcher FEEDBACK + PROMOTION You can ask your questions, make comments and create a segment about podcasting for podcasters! Let your voice be heard. Download the FREE The Feed App for iOS and Android (you can send feedback straight from within the app) Call 412 573 1934 Email thefeed@libsyn.com Use our SpeakPipe Page!
Sending congrats and discussing Apple's top podcasts of 2019, why podcasts are headed for disaster, pre-fixes on Libsyn, the coalition to expand RSS, mean and median stats and so much more, including soapboxes from both Rob and Elsie! Audience feedback drives the show. We'd love for you to email us and keep the conversation going! Email thefeed@libsyn.com or call 412–573–1934. We'd love to hear from you! Quick Episode Summary :07 Intro! 2:43 PROMO 1: Night Work Pod 3:13 Rob and Elsie Conversation Oh man, when spaghetti at the wall doesn't work, it sucks 8:06 Audio feedback about using Overcast to share audio clips via Kevin A new app that Elsie found with automatic transcriptions for video Congrats to Dave Ramsey and Joe Rogan There is something in common that these top podcasts have, we discuss Rob is getting a new computer and he needs to use a new program to level out his audio! Shout out from Tony from Sci-fi talk - thank you ♥ Are podcasts a disaster waiting to happen? New update to Libsyn! Podcasters will be able to add in a prefix to their show Rob Soapbox again, it's all about privacy 32:48 Audio Feedback from Marc about time codes Discussing a podcasters lauded for his “stupid podcast” 39:43 PROMO 2: WW 1 Digger History Podcast Rob Greenlee and Todd Cochrane want to form a coalition to expand RSS Some things to look for when your show falls from the Apple Podcasts Have you made sure to distribute your show everywhere from within your Libsyn account? 47:49 PROMO 3: Gotham Variety Stats! Mean and median Where have we been: Podcast Movement Sessions and Inside Podcasting Where are we going? Featured Podcast Promos + Audio PROMO 1: Night Work Pod PROMO 2: WW1 Digger History Podcast PROMO 3: Gotham Variety Kevin from Tales of The Black Badge Thank you to Nick from MicMe for our awesome intro! Podcasting Articles and Links mentioned by Rob and Elsie Our SpeakPipe Feedback page! Leave us feedback :) The Future of the Paid Listens program Clipomatic Apple Reveals 2019's Most Popular Podcasts Are podcasts a disaster waiting to happen? Science Supports Your Habit of Falling Asleep to Stupid Podcasts Ne možete spavati? Možda vam ova 4 podcasta mogu pomoći utonuti u san Header Code info! Inside Podcasting Newsletter Dec 5, featuring Elsie, twice! Podcast Movement Sessions featuring Elsie Where is Libsyn Going? (In Real Life) Podcast Movement Evolutions National Religious Broadcasters Podfest NAB Las Vegas KC Podcaster Meet-up HELP US SPREAD THE WORD! We'd love it if you could please share #TheFeed with your twitter followers. Click here to post a tweet! If you dug this episode head on over to Apple Podcasts and kindly leave us a rating, a review and subscribe! Ways to subscribe to The Feed: The Official Libsyn Podcast Click here to subscribe via Apple Podcasts Click here to subscribe via RSS You can also subscribe via Stitcher FEEDBACK + PROMOTION You can ask your questions, make comments and create a segment about podcasting for podcasters! Let your voice be heard. Download the FREE The Feed App for iOS and Android (you can send feedback straight from within the app) Call 412 573 1934 Email thefeed@libsyn.com Use our SpeakPipe Page!
For episode three of the season, we're taking a long look at the power of the Podcasting Community. This communal idea, that we have the power to lift up the medium together, bubbled over in many of the interviews we conducted at PM19...so we’re dedicating an entire episode to discovering just how creators have embraced this connection. We'll hear from creators about some of the amazing interaction they experienced on the floor and at the parties in Orlando (2:08); and discuss the overall collaborative spirit and the contrasting attitudes of podcasters when compared with traditional media (8:02); plus: we’ll shine our Podcast Movement Sessions spotlight on veteran podcaster and co-founder of the She Podcasts community, Elsie Escobar! (16:33) Voices in this episode: Spoke Media co-founder Alia Tavakolian, History is Gay co-host Leigh Pfeffer, Accused host/reporter Amber Hunt, Lipstick & Vinyl founder Allyson Marino, Avant Haus Media founder Christina Barsi, Tenderfoot TV producers Meredith Stedman & Christina Dana, and Podcast Movement co-founders Dan Franks & Jared Easley. Season four of Podcast Movement Sessions is sponsored by Storyblocks! An amazing resource for all your stock footage, AE templates, SFX, and music bed needs...for more information visit: Storyblocks.com/PodcastMovement Tickets are on sale now for Podcast Movement Evolutions coming to Los Angeles in February and for Podcast Movement 2020 coming to Dallas in August! More information at PodcastMovement.com! While there, sign up for our PodMov Daily newsletter, connect with us on Facebook/Instagram/Twitter, and check out our YouTube channel!
Season four of PMS continues with episode two where host Ted Woods spends some time with the Badass Women of PM19!! Podcasting has grown into a fertile space for women to have their voices be heard and our Society, Culture, and Advocacy track featured several incredible panels led by and featuring women making a difference in this emerging medium. We sat down with Lipstick & Vinyl founder Allyson Marino to discuss her podcasting journey from ad sales to podcast network CEO (2:15); we'll shine our PMS spotlight on PM19 panel 'Dominating the Industry - Female Leaders Behind The Scenes' and hear from panelists EB Moss (MediaVillage) plus Meredith Stedman and Christina Dana from Tenderfoot TV (9:46); finally, Avant Haus Media founder Christina Barsi will walk us through her journey in podcasting (20:25). Season four of Podcast Movement Sessions is sponsored by Storyblocks! An amazing resource for all your stock footage, AE templates, SFX, and music bed needs...for more information visit: Storyblocks.com/PodcastMovement Tickets are on sale now for Podcast Movement Evolutions coming to Los Angeles in February and for Podcast Movement 2020 coming to Dallas in August! More information at PodcastMovement.com! While there, sign up for our PodMov Daily newsletter, connect with us on Facebook/Instagram/Twitter, and check out our YouTube channel!
Welcome to season four of Podcast Movement Sessions! This time around we're focusing on PM19's Society, Culture, and Advocacy track and for our season premier we're taking a look more specifically at how creators have turned to the podcasting medium as a means of advocating for societal change. We'll speak with PM co-founders Jared Easley and Dan Franks about podcasting's low barrier of entry and how that has created a space for underrepresented voices to get their voices out about issues they care deeply for (2:40); we'll shine our PMS spotlight on a full circle moment from PM19 through a conversation with Ear Hustle co-creators Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods--Ear Hustle could be the finest example of a podcast that grew into a force for change (8:04); finally, we'll hear from Leigh Pfeffer (host of History is Gay), the team behind Gay Future (Christina Friel and Connor Wright), Accused host/reporter Amber Hunt, and Tenderfoot TV's Christina Dana about how each of them consider themselves advocates through their respective podcasts (22:16). Season four of Podcast Movement Sessions is sponsored by Storyblocks! An amazing resource for all your stock footage, AE templates, SFX, and music bed needs...for more information visit: Storyblocks.com/PodcastMovement Tickets are on sale now for Podcast Movement Evolutions coming to Los Angeles in February and for Podcast Movement 2020 coming to Dallas in August! More information at PodcastMovement.com! While there, sign up for our PodMov Daily newsletter, connect with us on Facebook/Instagram/Twitter, and check out our YouTube channel!
We're just one week away from the season four premier of Podcast Movement Sessions! This season we're taking an in-depth look at the Society, Culture, and Advocacy track at PM19...through conversations conducted on-site in Orlando by host Ted Woods and audio pulled directly from the Podcast Movement stage, we’re touching on the issues that are affecting the community and speaking with the creators making a positive change in the podcasting space. Episodes one and two will drop on Friday November 29th! Tell your friends to rate and subscribe...new episodes every Friday!! Season four guests include: Earlonne Woods (Co-Host/Co-Producer, Ear Hustle), Nigel Poor (Co-Host/Co-Producer, Ear Hustle), Jen Chien (Lead Editor, 70 Million), Eve Abrams (Host/Producer, Unprisoned; contributor, 70 Million), Justin Ling (Host/Reporter, Uncover: The Village), Amber Hunt (Host/Reporter, Accused), Tangia Renee Estrada (Host, That's What She Did), Elsie Escobar (Co-Host, She Podcasts), EB Moss (Head of Content Strategy, Media Village; Host, Insider InSites), Alia Tavakolian (Co-Founder/Head of Content, Spoke Media), Christina Dana (Producer, Tenderfoot TV--Up and Vanished, Sworn), Meredith Stedman (Producer, Tenderfoot TV--Up and Vanished, Radio Rental, Atlanta Monster), Lindsey Smith (Co-Host/Reporter, Believed), Maribel Quezada Smith (Host, Diferente), Allyson Marino (Founder, Lipstick & Vinyl), Christina Barsi (Founder, Avant Haus Media), Laura Cathcart Robbins (Host, The Only One In The Room), Holly Frey (Co-Host, Stuff You Missed In History Class), Tracy V. Wilson (Co-Host, Stuff You Missed In History Class), Connor Wright (Co-Creator, Gay Future), Christina Friel (Co-Creator, Gay Future), Leigh Pffefer (Co-Host, History Is Gay), Dan Franks (Co-Founder/President, Podcast Movement), and Jared Easley (Co-Founder/Head of Community & Content, Podcast Movement) Season four of Podcast Movement Sessions is sponsored by Storyblocks! An amazing resource for all your stock footage, AE templates, SFX, and music bed needs...for more information visit: Storyblocks.com/PodcastMovement
Have you missed us? We've certainly missed you! I we can't wait to share everything we recorded in Orlando at Podcast Movement 2019...the show is evolving in our fourth season; this is simply a teaser to let you know we're coming back on Black Friday (November 29th)...be on the lookout for a full trailer for our new season next Friday (November 22nd)!! Tell your friends! Podcast Movement Sessions is back; season four is right around the corner, wherever you get your podcasts.
Podcasting is easy. But being a great podcaster isn't and one of the most challenging parts of the medium is honing the craft content creations. Today, my friend Jordan Harbinger joins me from Podcast Movement to discuss the difference between good and great podcast content. Welcome to The Podcast Accelerator, the thrice-weekly show that brings you podcast education, industry insights and straight-talking reactions to podcasting news. I'm your host Mark Asquith, The British Podcast Guy and CEO and co-founder of Rebel Base Media, the podcast tech company that creates the Podcast Success Academy, Podcast Websites, Poductivity, Rebel Base Studios & http://captivate.fm/ (Captivate.fm), the world's only growth-oriented podcast host where you can get your first month of podcast hosting for just one dollar and transfer an existing podcast in, completely free. Thank you so much for joining me on the Podcast Accelerator, remember to tell your podcasting friends that the show is available to listen to for free in any app that supports podcasts and if you're wondering what the best next step to take for your own podcast is, whether you're a new or veteran podcaster, go and take our short, five minute survey where I'll help you to diagnose the main issue holding your show and your podcast growth back and give you access to our free, vibrant Podcast Rebellion community, weekly free group coaching from me, actionable and insider-only emails and even a free invitation to The Podcast Success Academy - invest five minutes now to grow your podcast by heading to http://rebelbasemedia.io/grow (RebelBaseMedia.io/grow). Don't forget the more you expect from yourself, the more you WILL excel! P.s. get your free 90 day AWeber trial right here, with code “ExEx” - https://www.markasquith.com/aweber (MarkAsquith.com/AWeber) This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy Podtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy
I'm fortunate enough to have spent a lot of time with James Cridland, editor of Podnews and advisor to Captivate.fm. There are few people who love the industry as James does and who are more insuisitive about podcasting than he. So, when James talks, it's worth listening. Welcome to The Podcast Accelerator, the thrice-weekly show that brings you podcast education, industry insights and straight-talking reactions to podcasting news. I'm your host Mark Asquith, The British Podcast Guy and CEO and co-founder of Rebel Base Media, the podcast tech company that creates the Podcast Success Academy, Podcast Websites, Poductivity, Rebel Base Studios & http://captivate.fm/ (Captivate.fm), the world's only growth-oriented podcast host where you can get your first month of podcast hosting for just one dollar and transfer an existing podcast in, completely free. Thank you so much for joining me on the Podcast Accelerator, remember to tell your podcasting friends that the show is available to listen to for free in any app that supports podcasts and if you're wondering what the best next step to take for your own podcast is, whether you're a new or veteran podcaster, go and take our short, five minute survey where I'll help you to diagnose the main issue holding your show and your podcast growth back and give you access to our free, vibrant Podcast Rebellion community, weekly free group coaching from me, actionable and insider-only emails and even a free invitation to The Podcast Success Academy - invest five minutes now to grow your podcast by heading to http://rebelbasemedia.io/grow (RebelBaseMedia.io/grow). Don't forget the more you expect from yourself, the more you WILL excel! P.s. get your free 90 day AWeber trial right here, with code “ExEx” - https://www.markasquith.com/aweber (MarkAsquith.com/AWeber) This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy Podtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy
I meet a lot of people and most of them become friends, but few have struck me quite as much as Evo Terra, the OG podcast contrarian and the man who literally wrote the book on podcasting. So I asked Evo what we indie creators can do to stay ahead of all of the new tech and money flowing into our industry. It's a must-listen from one of our Captivate.fm advisors. Welcome to The Podcast Accelerator, the thrice-weekly show that brings you podcast education, industry insights and straight-talking reactions to podcasting news. I'm your host Mark Asquith, The British Podcast Guy and CEO and co-founder of Rebel Base Media, the podcast tech company that creates the Podcast Success Academy, Podcast Websites, Poductivity, Rebel Base Studios & http://captivate.fm/ (Captivate.fm), the world's only growth-oriented podcast host where you can get your first month of podcast hosting for just one dollar and transfer an existing podcast in, completely free. Thank you so much for joining me on the Podcast Accelerator, remember to tell your podcasting friends that the show is available to listen to for free in any app that supports podcasts and if you're wondering what the best next step to take for your own podcast is, whether you're a new or veteran podcaster, go and take our short, five minute survey where I'll help you to diagnose the main issue holding your show and your podcast growth back and give you access to our free, vibrant Podcast Rebellion community, weekly free group coaching from me, actionable and insider-only emails and even a free invitation to The Podcast Success Academy - invest five minutes now to grow your podcast by heading to http://rebelbasemedia.io/grow (RebelBaseMedia.io/grow). Don't forget the more you expect from yourself, the more you WILL excel! P.s. get your free 90 day AWeber trial right here, with code “ExEx” - https://www.markasquith.com/aweber (MarkAsquith.com/AWeber) This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy Podtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy
My good friend Chris Krimitsos joins me today to talk about the power of community for indie podcasters and why people are so vital to any podcast's success. Not to be missed! Welcome to The Podcast Accelerator, the thrice-weekly show that brings you podcast education, industry insights and straight-talking reactions to podcasting news. I'm your host Mark Asquith, The British Podcast Guy and CEO and co-founder of Rebel Base Media, the podcast tech company that creates the Podcast Success Academy, Podcast Websites, Poductivity, Rebel Base Studios & http://captivate.fm/ (Captivate.fm), the world's only growth-oriented podcast host where you can get your first month of podcast hosting for just one dollar and transfer an existing podcast in, completely free. Thank you so much for joining me on the Podcast Accelerator, remember to tell your podcasting friends that the show is available to listen to for free in any app that supports podcasts and if you're wondering what the best next step to take for your own podcast is, whether you're a new or veteran podcaster, go and take our short, five minute survey where I'll help you to diagnose the main issue holding your show and your podcast growth back and give you access to our free, vibrant Podcast Rebellion community, weekly free group coaching from me, actionable and insider-only emails and even a free invitation to The Podcast Success Academy - invest five minutes now to grow your podcast by heading to http://rebelbasemedia.io/grow (RebelBaseMedia.io/grow). Don't forget the more you expect from yourself, the more you WILL excel! P.s. get your free 90 day AWeber trial right here, with code “ExEx” - https://www.markasquith.com/aweber (MarkAsquith.com/AWeber) This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy Podtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy
I've talked SO much about podcasters being on the content hamster wheel of continual production but without new ideas, what can you do to get off that hamster wheel? Well, how about repurposing your content...? Live from Podcast Movement 2019, this is Amy Woods. Welcome to The Podcast Accelerator, the thrice-weekly show that brings you podcast education, industry insights and straight-talking reactions to podcasting news. I'm your host Mark Asquith, The British Podcast Guy and CEO and co-founder of Rebel Base Media, the podcast tech company that creates the Podcast Success Academy, Podcast Websites, Poductivity, Rebel Base Studios & http://captivate.fm/ (Captivate.fm), the world's only growth-oriented podcast host where you can get your first month of podcast hosting for just one dollar and transfer an existing podcast in, completely free. Thank you so much for joining me on the Podcast Accelerator, remember to tell your podcasting friends that the show is available to listen to for free in any app that supports podcasts and if you're wondering what the best next step to take for your own podcast is, whether you're a new or veteran podcaster, go and take our short, five minute survey where I'll help you to diagnose the main issue holding your show and your podcast growth back and give you access to our free, vibrant Podcast Rebellion community, weekly free group coaching from me, actionable and insider-only emails and even a free invitation to The Podcast Success Academy - invest five minutes now to grow your podcast by heading to http://rebelbasemedia.io/grow (RebelBaseMedia.io/grow). Don't forget the more you expect from yourself, the more you WILL excel! P.s. get your free 90 day AWeber trial right here, with code “ExEx” - https://www.markasquith.com/aweber (MarkAsquith.com/AWeber) This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy Podtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy
This year is all about community and in depth interviews. Bill Nowicki interviews podcasters and gets their stories during Podcast Movement 2018 in Philadelphia!
Today’s guest is Bryan Orr from Podcast Movement: Sessions. Bryan's podcasting story: Bryan got into podcasting doing a typical interview show around small business. He found he was getting bored listening to his own content. Some guests were great and the application was strong but it wasn’t grabbing attention the way shows like 99% Invisible and This American Life had done. He had a real discontent with what he was producing, so he began Mantastic Voyage with his brother. Now he does more of a narrative style with Podcast Movement: Sessions. It’s not quite storytelling, but synthesis: synthesising information into a story. Define narrative: A narrative is anecdotes, so descriptions of things that happened, plus emotions or moments of reflection. If you take something that is an occurrence and add in elements of reflections or emotion into it, that can become a narrative. Another way to describe a narrative is to raise questions but be much more slow to answer them using occurrences or a sequence of events. In a question based podcast the host would ask a question and the guest would answer it. But in a narrative based podcast you explore the answer, and you find it by weaving through a set of occurrences. The pros and cons: A good reason to have a narrative of any kind is if you are wanting to make an emotional connection. If you have no interest in emotion whatsoever, making an emotional connection or getting people’s emotions to rise and fall, then don’t do a narrative. If all you’re wanting to do is simply express information and have information absorbed, then narrative doesn’t make sense. But Bryan challenges anyone who says that all they’re doing is relaying information because information is absorbed when it’s attached to emotion. If we have no relationship to information given to us then you’ll have a tough time remembering it. But if you can attach information to an emotion, then you’ll remember it. Humans are hard-wired for story. As soon as you hear a story, you’ll listen to it. The only reason to decide not to do it is if you don’t have the time, the discipline or a subject matter that has any emotion whatsoever. If you don’t have any time, if what you’re wanting to do is simply create a content machine and not actually go through and edit and write, then don’t do narrative. Narrative requires a great amount of effort on the front, middle and back end in order to pull it off. It requires a time investment a lot of people don’t have, and for certain niches, it may not be worth it. The steps required: The steps required depends on the type of narrative podcast you’re doing. Some are content-centric. For example, Podcast Movement: Sessions is content centric. Take the content that you already know you want to talk about and find the best story you can from within that. It’s easier than starting from scratch. Fiction podcasts start from scratch and are much more difficult because they centre around really good writing. First, distill one idea, even if it’s a content-centric podcast. Figure out what the one idea is that everything you’re doing is surrounded around. Think about how you want the podcast to sound: intense, mysterious, funny. How do you want it to sound generally speaking? Then start to lay it out on a timeline. What are some pieces you can fit in, and then see the gaps that need effective narration or sound clips to augment it. Bryan's editing process has evolved over time as he has used different programs and learned to be a better podcaster over time. His process is to record the audio and load it into Reaper, which is non-destructive software so you can make changes and go back later not having lost the original take. He will then go through and log the tape using markers, making notes at significant points. Brian uses brown, green or red markers: red says ‘no way to use it’, green says ‘definitely going to use it’ and brown says ‘maybe’. Then, aggressively hack it because it’s non-destructive so he can get it all back later if he wants. He will then assemble the piece with all the narration and extras, then do a final edit where he makes it even tighter, and then he does the scoring which is adding the music. The timeline also helps in the editing. Loosely, you will know generally the points you want to hit, maybe 6 points. As you log the tape you find the specific things that you want so you fill in the timeline with the specifics, adding more detail until get to a really tight story. Bryan says you can still create a good podcast even if you don’t know where you’re going, but it will take more time. It’s better if you have the general outline of where you want to end up and how you want it to sound before you start. The interviews: In Podcast Movement: Sessions the main topic for each episode is the main speaker. Then Bryan weaves in interviews and discussions with other people as well as his own narrative comments. He works ‘in the tape’ a lot. That means he goes through the tape a lot to find some areas that are really strong, and some areas that are weak. It’s nice to have balance from other voices when you have areas that aren’t so strong, that don’t stand on their own that well. Bryan turns on a recorder when anyone is willing to talk to him. He has a mobile set-up and does a cell phone interview for the secondary voices. The point of these sections is to create some balance so the audio quality can be less than that of the main interview. He emphasizes the need to get a lot of tape. You never know what you’re going to get, sometimes you’ll get great stuff from unexpected places. The ethos of a one-take interview show doesn’t translate into narrative because the whole interview won’t necessarily be strong. The cutting room floor: Bryan uses a list of questions to ask himself to make sure he’s not missing anything in the editing process. Is there an idea of place? Is there emotional balance? Are there ups and downs? In the timeline you can mark this with up arrows and down arrows. Is the story bouncing or falling flat? What are the stakes? What is at stake in the story if the subject if the narrative doesn’t go the way that you hope it goes? Establish that early on. Look at your story and if it happens just like someone expects it to happen then it’s not a good story. It has to have some element of the unexpected to it. Rob Rosenthal of the House Down Podcast says use your best tape first, and Bryan follows this advice. Figure out a way to take some of your most engaging audio and use it early on. It creates draw into the story and interest in the story. It establishes the ‘why you should care’ factor. Be conscious that whatever you end the story on is what you’re leaving people with. It’s ok to leave it unclosed. Good modern storytelling very rarely has grand summation, however it does have something that you want to leave the audience with and they’re very intentional about that. Whatever it is that you’re doing with your narrative, you want to make sure you’re conscious of that. As for out-takes, if it’s good, clip it so you can have it later. If it’s topical and interesting, save it as a clip and maybe you’ll use it later. Transitions: Bryan advises you think of the mood and emotion, make sure the timing is appropriate, give people enough time to digest what just happened and then transition them emotionally into what’s about to happen next. Music is a huge part of that. Ira Glass says This American Life uses ‘plinky’ music. The biggest mistake people make getting into narrative is they just use the wrong music. Music for sound and transitions is not the same kind of music that works if you’re doing an interview podcaster type of intro. Pick music that is very understated and simple and mood appropriate to what’s going on. Usually it’s fairly neutral, even for sad scenes. Tracking is the name for the cutting of those little narrations in between pieces. What works nice is to not only introduce the next thought, but do some of their talking for them so that the narrations aren’t literally just introducing the next idea. Resources: Listen to really great narrative podcasts. The RadioTopia podcasts are great examples of narrative podcasts: 99% Invisible, The Memory Palace, The Illusionists, Kitchen Sisters, Lost and Found Sounds. That will give you a feel for what is good, it helps you obtain good taste. You have to actually enjoy it yourself. If you’re not passionate about stories at all, it won’t work. Listen to podcasts that specifically talk about how to do narrative. How Sound by Rob Rosenthal is the best one around, or Out on the Wire by Jessica Abel. Also look into Alex Bloomberg’s storytelling workshop on Creative Live. Go to the Third Coast Festival in Chicago, where the world’s best audio storytellers go to meet and learn to each other. Transom.org and Airmedia.org are good places to go. Look into Smart Sound, which you can use to create your own music tracks and make them exactly what you want them to be. It’s not cheap but it’s a good resource. The takeaway: Just do it. Do it even if you’re never planning on publishing it. Start with your family, start with the stories you can tell about yourself, and sit in front of the microphone and work on editing it. You can’t read your way into becoming a good storyteller or a good editor. Just get started and you’ll find once you put in some hours you’ll be good. If you’re going to do narrative, you can’t outsource it. You are going to have to learn how to do it all. Bryan strongly suggests getting in and learning every step of how to do it. Cutting your own tape, doing your own logging, learning how to write your narrations, learning how to write your own music. If you want more from Bryan you can find him at PodcastMovement.com
Brutally Honest Storytelling with Shannon Cason In this episode of the Podcast Movement Sessions, we get brutal honesty from Shannon Cason, the host of Homemade Stories and keynote speaker at Podcast Movement 2017. Shannon is joined in this episode by Alexander Adams from the Smash/Cut Podcast and Dan Franks, co-founder of Podcast Movement.
A new season of Podcast Movement Sessions is almost upon us! Catch the Black Friday deals on Podcast Movement 2017 registration as the movement goes to Anaheim. Meet your new host for season two of the sessions and get ready to dig into some of the best stuff of Podcast Movement 2016 as we get ready for next year's event.
Welcome back to the Creative Studio, where we conduct experiments with podcasting. In this fourth season, we are talking about narrative podcasting. This is episode 6, and we’ll be discussing the editing process. In the previous episodes, we discussed various things regarding planning, preparation, and recording for a narrative podcast. If you missed those, you’ll definitely want to go back and listen to those. In this episode, we’ll be hearing from: Bryan Orr Corey Coates Doc Kennedy Dave Jackson Erik K. Johnson Rye Taylor Elsie Escobar There is a lot involved in the editing process. As we discussed in episode 402, editing shows up many times throughout the narrative workflow. Here’s a quick review of that workflow or roadmap: Idea Research enough to pitch idea to group Research more Conduct pre-interviews Adjust story concept Pick interview subjects Interview Transcribe Write first draft of script Edit Second draft Edit Third draft Full cuts “Read to tape” as group Group edits Fourth draft Tracking Rough mix Listen to the rough as a group Another group edit Rough sound design Listen as a group Edit Fix sound design Pass off your final master Final mix Send out Get notes Fix based on notes Review again Green light Publish This workflow is roughly based on the process that Roman Mars shared during his keynote presentation at Podcast Movement 2015. There are at least 5 edits mentioned in this process – some are individual and others are group edits. There are a couple ways that editing can be approached. Each has its benefits and drawbacks, and I think that each one is helpful, if not needed, in the workflow. One way to edit is in written form and the other is in audio form. There may be other approaches and various combinations of these forms, but these are the two that I will focus on for this episode. It is good to start by getting a transcript of the tape you recorded. I didn’t do this for the first several episodes of this series because it costs either time or money – and I didn’t want to give up either at first. I finally gave in and paid someone on Fiverr.com to transcribe some for me. Here’s what I did. I had already listened to all of the audio after the interviews and separated the clips based on the overall topic of the section. There were some sections that I copied and put into a couple topics. In the end, I had anywhere between 10 minutes to 60 minutes of audio for each topic. I put the clips for one topic together on one track and mixed it down to a single mp3 file. I sent that off to the person on Fiverr. There were one or two episodes where I trimmed out my side of the conversation to made the file shorter because I was paying by the minute. I also wasn’t using any of my side of the conversation in the end. When I got the transcript back five or six days later, I would read through it and mark out things that I knew I wanted to cut out. This would include my side of the conversation if I didn’t already take it out. Sometimes the guest would cover a couple topics together, so I would take out parts of the guests’ answers that didn’t pertain to that particular topic. Sometimes the guest would go into stories that were related to the topic, but weren’t necessary to make the episode work. There were also several times when multiple guests would basically give the same answer or perspective, so I would usually cut someone’s answer. The decision could have been made depending on clear they gave the answer or even how much I was already using from that particular guest. I don’t try to give equal time, per se, but I do like incorporating different voices. I would also look for short clips that I could use in a teaser or opener for the episode and highlight the different spots. So, I would end up with a document that had a bunch of stuff crossed out. I would usually do some of this on my break at work, so I would actually print out the transcript and mark it with a pen and highlighter. I would then translate that to the document in Microsoft Word and save it as a new file. I would do this so I could make changes but still have the original work. Here’s a quick side note. If I was working on this with a team, I would probably have been using Google Docs instead of Word to make it easier to collaborate. I know I haven’t gotten to any of the guests yet, but be’ll get to our guests after I finish explaining this writing part. So I would take the edited document and then I would try to organize the remaining clips into a logical order. I would look through each guests answers and label it as a certain subtopic. I would then be able to create a form of an outline. In a couple cases, I actually numbered each clip so I could rearrange them using just numbers instead of copying and pasting a bunch of text. After I had the order of the clips, I would look at what I needed to do to create the narration in between the clips. Sometimes the guests’ answers could stand alone without much introduction or transition, but other times I needed to set it up a little more. In some cases, I would summarize a 2-minute explanation the guest gives in 20 seconds to make it more concise, and then let them finish with the pertinent details. We’ll actually be talking more about transitions in a couple episodes, but it is part of the editing process. Then I would be able to record the narration part. I would often find places where it didn’t sound right, so I would have to rephrase and rerecord. This is another editing step. I would then take my narration clips and the guests’ clips and move onto the audio editing part of the process. I personally use Adobe Audition, but before that I used Audacity. Bryan Orr, host of the Podcast Movement Sessions podcast has his own workflow. Bryan Orr – his workflow Doc Kennedy, host of the Filmmakers Focus podcast, continues to share his perspective from video creation. He also makes reference back to an old program that we can learn from. Doc – War of the Worlds Doc – take notes, what works Doc – hire someone And if you’re looking to hire someone, Corey Coates is the co-founder of Podfly Productions and is an excellent editor. But I wouldn’t be opposed to talking with you about working with my company, Podcast Guy Media, LLC, especially if you’re interested in creating a narrative podcast. Erik – Let the guest tell the story That was Erik K. Johnson, who has some great resources at Podcast Talent Coach. Erik – only use what you need Dave Jackson has been podcasting since 2005 and has helped a lot of people with their podcasts, everything from getting started to growing the podcast. Over the years, he has seen a lot of things and has developed some pet peeves in the mean time. Dave – answer the question Rye Taylor joins us again to share some thoughts about the difficulty that podcasters can have cutting things out, especially when there is something more personal involved. Rye – cut the extras, even when it’s personal Rye – one central character Corey Coates also talks about the difficulty podcasters can have trying to edit their own show. Corey – perspective and objectivity One suggestion from Elsie Escobar is to reach out to your audience for some perspective. Elsie – mini-focus group In the discussion with Elsie, I realized a connection between editing and our brain. The right side of our brain is the hub for creativity while the left side is the more logical side. When it comes to creating a podcast, we are using both sides of our brain, but it’s difficult to keep switching back and forth between creating and editing. Because of this issue, I’ve heard many people recommend batching your work so that you focus solely on creating, and then you focus solely on editing. If you have a team, this process can be improved. You can have some people on the team work on the creative aspect while others focus on the editing. Elsie – creating vs. editing I’ve mentioned the book, ‘Out on the Wire,” by Jessica Abel several times throughout this series. It really is a great book to help with many of these aspects of creating a narrative. In the section about editing, she speaks with several different companies that create narrative audio, such as This American Life. An edit was revealed to be a single session of basically tearing apart the script to make it better. It was brought out that sometimes a single edit could take several hours to a full day of work. And this would be with a team of people. And that would be just one of the several edits on a single piece. Did we mention that creating a narrative takes a lot of work? Dave Jackson actually talks about his experience of working on a project in his podcast, The School of Podcasting. He actually gave a shout out to me and this podcast. Thanks, Dave. Yes, I did a little happy dance when I heard that. Anyway, he said that a 20-minute piece he worked on for TheMessengersDoc.com took 4 hours. That’s a ratio of 12 minutes of work for 1 minute of audio. No, Dave is not slow. This just takes a lot of work, and the editing portion is a large part of that. Rye talked earlier about focusing on one central character and have this as a guide during the editing process. When you’re reading the script or listening to the audio, ask yourself if it is vital to build the story around that central character. Now, the character could be a person. It could be an animal. It could be a place. It could be a topic or idea. Whatever that central character is, try to keep the story centered on that. As was also mentioned, make sure to keep your audience in mind. Where are they coming from? What is their experience or knowledge? What do they need to know? What do they need to feel? How can you help them? One last thing to consider when editing and cutting your audio, consider your overall purpose and goal. What is it that you are aiming for? What is the call to action that you want your listener to take? How will this move the podcast forward? Maybe the podcast is designed to move your business forward. Whatever it is, ask yourself if it contributes to this overarching goal as well. In the next episode, we are going to talk about how to entice your audience. This includes how to capture their attention at the beginning and keep them listening. After that we will look at another aspect of the editing process we haven’t really talked about, and that is making transitions between clips and narration. In other words how to make the narrative flow better. I haven’t really assigned you anything so far in this series. I’ve mentioned resources to help you. I’ve mentioned the website and the email list you can join for additional information and notices. But I haven’t really given you an assignment for you to work on and take action on. So here is your mission, should you choose to accept it. Go to CreativeStudio.Academy and sign up for the email list. If you’ve already done this, great! You’ll be sent some resources I’ve created. One thing is a guide on creating a website. Another is the roadmap for narrative podcasting that I created earlier in this series. You will also get a sample of my editing processes. I’m including copies of each stage in the written portion of the process. So you’ll see the transcript with parts crossed out. You’ll see how I organized the remaining clips. You’ll see the narration I wrote and put the script together. This will give you an example that you can see, as opposed to just listening to the process here. The next step in your homework is to e-mail me, joshua@podcastguy.co. Or you can just reply to the e-mail with the resources. Let me know what your plan is for creating a narrative podcast, or at least what ideas you have. I would love to talk with you about this. I am also willing to have a Skype conversation with you to answer any questions you may have and share a little more of my process, including sharing my screen to show you what I did in the audio part of the editing. So again, your mission is to go to CreativeStudio.Academy and join the email list to get started. This message will…well, no, it won’t self-destruct. I want this to reach more people as well. The Creative Studio podcast is brought to you by Podcast Guy Media, LLC. Through this business, I help people with several aspects of their podcasts. I recently helped one podcasters launch his first podcast. I am the podcast manager for another podcast, where I help oversee all aspects of the podcast production from planning and scheduling guests to editing and publishing. What I do most of the time with clients, is the editing of their audio. If you need any help or have questions, please let me know at PodcastGuyMedia.com. If you couldn’t tell, I’m really getting into narrative podcasting, so I’m especially interested in helping you if you want to dive into this awesome world. Again, the website is PodcastGuyMedia.com.
Welcome back to the Creative Studio where we conduct podcasting experiments. This is the fourth episode in our series on narrative podcasting. If you haven’t listened to the previous episodes, you can visit CreativeStudio.Academy or subscribe to the podcast to get those episodes. My name is Joshua Rivers and I am your host on this extraordinary journey into the world of narrative podcasting. I’ve mentioned before that I’m not an expert. I’ve been learning these things along with you. This episode is a continuation through the podcasting workflow and is kind of a part 2 to last week’s episode where we talked about planning your narrative podcast. This week we will take those plans and begin to make actual preparations. We’ll be getting things set in place so we will be ready to record. In a previous episode, we heard from Jessica Abel, the author of the book “Out on the Wire” and the host of the associated podcast. She shared some things about planning and creating the narrative arc. We won’t rehash those things now, but she helps us take the next step. 7 you have a character who's going to be at the center of the story, you want to think about what are these stages that they've gone through, and the change that you want to depict in your narrative, right? 8 you figure out when the turning points are, when do they go from one place to another place, where were their dilemmas, where were their decision-points, and then when you go to the person you want to ask them all kinds of questions about those decisions that they had to make, and about those moments of change, and how was it before, and how was it after. So your preparation is often figuring out the bare outlines of what this person's story is, and then deciding where do you want to delve in further. 4 In our case, we very specifically targeted certain individuals that we wanted for their knowledge-base and their experience in the industry. Corey Coates joins us again. He is from Podfly, helping podcasters with their podcast production. He also works with Jessica Rhodes in creating The Podcast Producers podcast. It's tough because in a lot of cases you have folks that are the most boisterous, or the most vocal, the most prominent in some of the communities and Facebook groups, that may not necessarily be the ones who are bringing the best information, We know, because I've been in podcasting for 10 years, Jessica'd been doing this for two, three years, as well, so we kind of got a sense of those, you pass kind of the sniff test, if you will, you can kind of tell when you talk to folks that they're either really legit, they know their stuff, and they're really making a contribution, or they're kind of jokers and they're coming in and they're just sort of marketing themselves and not really the skills that they may have acquired Dave Jackson from the School of Podcasting also does a lot of experimenting and testing of different things in the podcasting world. He chimes in on this as well. 9 Well for me, I've done it where I have chosen guests who had the background I was looking for, So by doing that, I kind of knew that the information they were going to provide, I wasn't going to really have to sift through much, it should all fit the goal of the episode, you have to listen to it all again, in fact, by the time it's over, you're so sick of hearing the same thing over and over, that it can be a little crazy, but I think if you have the right guest, that I guess in a way, I asked people that I think I know the answer. I'm trying to--not get them to say what I think, but maybe reinforce what I think. And then I'm always open-minded, so if they bring in something that I'm like, ooh, I didn't know that, that's even better. Erik K. Johnson refers to the popular podcast, Serial, to help draw some conclusions here. 12 Finding people to interview really comes down to the story that you want to tell. If you're interviewing, if you're creating this serial podcast, you need to talk to the guy that did it, or didn't do it, the guy, the accused. That's the key. Then you might want to try and talk to the individual that made the arrest, or people close to the story. People that have intimate knowledge of the story that you're trying to tell. you simply have to make sure you find the people that will help contribute to the story. Rye Taylor can get excited about telling stories and brings it back to core of the matter. 18 So, you've got to stick with your theme, and you've got to play with that idea of how do other people play into the hero's story, because you've always got to keep that as the main focus, that main theme and also to focus on the hero during that event. Whether you are doing a narrative podcast or and interview-based show, finding and securing the perfect guest can be a lot of work. If you don’t have the time or connections to do this yourself, you can get some professional help to take care of the heavy lifting for you. Jessica Rhodes, one of our featured guests this season, started Interview Connections to help podcasters connect with guests. Jessica and her team work diligently to get to know both the podcasts and the guests so they can be a matchmaker. If a guest isn’t quite right, they strive to find out more so they can present only the best matches. It’s a win-win situation for everyone. Check out InterviewConnections.com today. [short music interlude] As with coins and stories, there are two sides to this issue of who to interview. Much of what we have heard so far emphasizes the importance of starting with the hero and main theme of the story. Then you target specific people to help tell the story. Rye Taylor looks at the benefits of both of these. 16 I think that you never know where the gold is going to come from when you're interviewing people. It depends on the narrative again, what type of story you're telling and where you are. If this is a live scenario, I would definitely make sure that you talk to numerous people, even if you think that they're not going to be a good part of this story. You'd be surprised. I'll give you an example. I'm going to be releasing a show called Daring & Rye, which is my story that's talking about me as a fat, middle-aged guy with a young family, who's ready to recapture an adventurous life. That is me. Okay? That's my desire. I'm the hero of that story. Now, just because I'm the hero of that story doesn't mean that I don't need supporting characters or other people to actually play a role in that. So during a trip to Colorado, during this whole narrative, I actually went and interviewed people during a day called the Penguin Plunge. Now the Penguin Plunge is a blast of an event because what it is, is these individuals from all over this part of Colorado actually come together, in the middle of February, and jump into this frigid, freezing cold water for a specific charity, okay? Now, I interviewed several people that jumped into the water for a specific charity, and I had a blast doing it. They had some amazing stories. I learned all of these things. Now, could I add that all to my narrative? Of course not, but I learned some amazing stories, and I was able to weave the best parts of that story throughout my own narrative and how it applied to me. It's not about them, it's about me in this particular instance, because I'm the hero of the story. Does that mean that their stories aren't important? Of course not. But you've got to have a variety of interviews--a variety--and then choose the best pieces that actually are the most applicable to your story, okay? 21 Sure, well, I think a lot of it just comes down to recognizing that, in this point, you are literally documenting everything, every interaction... This is Geoff Woods. He hosts the Mentee podcast where he records and shares raw conversations with mentors. ...and so all these conversations that you have with people, I think you just let them know, hey, do you mind if I record this? Not only for my own retention, I like to listen back, but oftentimes I find little snippets of gold that could go into my podcast, and if I come across something, I would be sure to reach back out to you and ask for your permission specifically, would that be okay? And more often than not, people are going to say yes. Very rarely have I gotten a no. And the only times when I've gotten a no is when it was an incredibly personal and private conversation on their end. They just did not want that documented. Which I could respect. 22 you end up with a slew of content and recording, and at that point it was just a matter--you got to document it, you got to form some system of marking the date you sat down, what you talked about, maybe moments--you'll know when you're in that conversation, like oh my gosh, that was a golden nugget--to be able to look at your recorder and say, hey at 19 minutes and 27 seconds, I need to go back and listen to that moment. Being able to just have some type of a system for that, and as you go forward, all of a sudden you wake up one day and you're like, hey, I want to do an episode on this, and you remember, I had this one conversation with Josh, and I remember there was a gold nugget, and then you pull up your Evernote, for example, and you look at the Josh Rivers Interview note, and you see like, ooh, 19 minutes and 27 seconds, there was a golden nugget, and you fast-forward straight to there, and you go boom, there it is. 1 I work in the tape a lot, that's the biz talk for the way that I do it, which is I go through the tape and I find areas that are really strong in the tape, that I'm definitely going to use, and then I find some areas that are weak. Bryan Orr hosts the Podcast Movement Sessions podcast. In fact, he’s the one that introduced me Jessica Abel and “Out on the Wire.” I'm not too choosy. Meaning that I'm not Ira Glass, so I can't get anybody I want. So anybody who's willing to talk to me about something that's related to my topic, I turn the recorder on for them, because why not? It's not that big of a deal. The interview podcast world spends so much time focusing on prepping for interviews and making sure that you're all set up, and sitting their at your desk, but I rely a lot on having my mobile set up with me, and I can do a cellphone interview or whatever, because the point of these kind of secondary voices, is just to create some bounce. So it's okay if it's on a cellphone, it's okay if it's not perfect, or if you're using the Ringer app, or whatever, to get the content. So I just say get a lot of tape. You'll know pretty much right away whether there's some good parts in there or not, and if there's not, then you just don't use it. Part of Brian’s perspective comes from the fact that his podcast largely has been pre-recorded - it was a reflection of the sessions at Podcast Movement 2015. He would take parts of the recorded sessions, and then he would try to get a short interview with the speaker. He would also try to get some snippets from some of the attendees. 2 Yeah, because you never know what you're going to get, so sometimes you'll get really, really great stuff from really unexpected places like, a perfect example is, I interviewed Adam Sachs, he's the CEO of Midroll and Earwolf, so he's this significant player in podcasting, but he doesn't do a lot of interviews, I only used a couple small clips from him, but the clips I did use were really good clips, 3 But if you had listened to that entire 30 minutes, you would have thought it was a pretty poor interview in general. That's where using the kind of ethos of the one-take interview show doesn't translate into narrative. 10 But I think if I just picked anybody, and now I got to go through their story, and their history, to find out why they did what, that's all great, but again, the more I have to listen through and cut out the stuff that doesn't fit, the more time it takes, so I'd rather have a guest that I was pretty sure is going to hit the nail on the head. That was Dave Jackson again. This is a good point to keep in mind - if you try to go too wide and capture everything from everyone, there’s that much more stuff to go back through later on. But sometimes, it’s the best that you can do. Like Rye said - you never know where the gold is going to come from. When talking with Corey Coates, he shares his concern about some people that are careless about who they talk to. 5 I know a lot of other approaches might be how many people can we try and get to capture in a really big wide net, and bring them in, but I can tell you now--and Jessica can speak best to this as a guest booker--that the more specific you go towards somebody as a guest, having knowledge of who they are, their programming, their background, what have you, the more likely they are to agree, because they know that you're not just coming at them with a form-letter that you send to everyone. they basically build an email list, and they blast it like a newsletter that they're doing a show, who wants to get involved? every aspect of humanity you can imagine is out there in the podcasting sphere, and you get the good, the bad, and the ugly every single day, but for me a lot of those referrals, like hey, who should I talk to, really respond from having a really good conversations in interviews for the show, and then them mentioning to me, it's like, hey by the way, you might want to talk to so and so, and because they really have a lot of great information on this, and they're fun to interview. [music interlude] So far in our planning and preparation, we’ve discussed several things about creating the story arc and finding the right people to voice the story. Most of the time, you may be looking for people to add to the story directly. Daniel J. Lewis makes some interesting observations about another potential reason to connect with others. 20 So as far as getting other people into your conversations, it's having those conversations, it's recording them, of course, it's finding people who would have some kind of feedback. Now, it could be as simple as someone being a sounding board, and you're telling them, I want to tell you this idea, I want to bounce some ideas off of you, please give me your feedback, don't just sit there and go uh huh, yeah, yeah, uh huh, uh huh. But feel free to ask me any questions, challenge anything I say, add anything that you think of. It's okay if you're not an expert, I just want another voice here with me, and that can sometimes turn out pretty good, because not only does it mean it's another voice, but it's a completely different perspective that could potentially bring something to the conversation that you would have never thought of including in your narrative storytelling. One thing that we as podcasters worry about - or probably should worry about more - is using various audio clips legally. I am certainly no lawyer, so you’ll want to talk to your own about your particular situation. Music is usually one of the biggest issues when it comes to using audio legally, but using clips of people could pose a potential problem. There are a couple simple solutions that you could try. 19 it could be as simple as just starting the conversation where they see the recorder, and you say, hey, I'm recording this conversation, I might use this in a podcast, are you okay with that? Erik K. Johnson adds to this a little more. 11 When you recruit the people that you're going to interview for your podcast, I think it's important to let them know, this is going to be part of a longer story, I'm putting together a piece, a story, an expose on x-topic, where I'm interviewing various people for the project, and I'll use part of your interview within the project. If they know that it's not simply an interview podcast, and that their entire interview won't be used, that we're using bits and pieces of your interview, I think that's good to know up front, I'm not sure it's going to change any of their answers, but I think it's wise for you to tell them that, so they're not surprised when they hear the show come out. I do think it's important that you let your guests know that nothing they say will be taken out of context, which comes down to your editing, you need to make sure you edit so the pieces that you're including from your guests are actually what your guest said, you're not changing their words in any way. Another thing that you’ll likely come across is when multiple people tell you the same story or details. 13 Now, if you find multiple people who are giving you the same story, you can use bits and pieces of each one, but I think you might be spinning your wheels trying to find individuals that are giving you the same information. One of them really isn't necessary, because you've already got the information. So find the most credible one, the one that will be the most entertaining, and use that particular individual. This next tip from Erik will probably apply more to the next episode when we talk about recording, but it’s wise to keep this in mind now. 14 You will find when you go to edit down your podcast, to put it into parts, you will find it easier to edit when they've given you complete sentences. 15 this is where the art of interviewing comes in. You need to ask questions that will generate answers that are complete sentences when taken by themselves, will stand out in a narrative podcast. The answer has to stand on its own without the question setting it up, and I think it's most important that you find guests that can provide that for you, than it is finding guests of any particular genre or nature, or knowledge. A great question you can ask when you're trying to get complete sentences, is if you're interviewing somebody who's not giving you complete sentences, use the complete this sentence for me. The most important aspect of interviewing is blank. And then have them repeat that first part. They would say I think the most important piece of interviewing is, and they'd fill in their answer. So if you run into somebody who won't give you complete sentence, use that trick on them. I didn’t do this when I interviews most of the guests. Sometimes I got complete sentences - sometimes I didn’t. It could be helpful to also talk about this with the guest when you start. Maybe say, “When we record, it would be helpful if you’re able to speak in complete sentences. I may ask you to repeat something so that we can get the information in the best way.” Doc Kennedy mentions another place that would be good to find some good voices. 6 I think there's a number of podcasters out there that'd be willing to help, and one of the keys there is that we know they have the audio set up to be able to record and give you a high quality voice coming back. You don't want to have somebody on that doesn't have the right setup. They might have the right voice, but if they don't have the right setup, then it's not going to work out. So find people that you can work with all the way, and I would reach out through whatever means you have, connecting through social media, listening to other podcasts, listening to maybe even another narrative podcast. Just find people you can connect with that fit that right tone, maybe it's somebody in your family. Just have them come over and do some recording with you, make sure it's going to work, and then just compensate them fairly, at the worst, dinner or something. That's how I would go about casting. Not only may you need help with the voices, but you may need help with some other parts of the production process. You may have noticed that this series is not being released weekly. In fact, the release schedule isn’t regular at all. This is because I didn’t plan this part of the process well. I didn’t think I would need help. I felt like I could handle it. While I might be able to do everything in a technical sense, time is a definite disadvantage. I didn’t think my schedule would get as busy as it did, and I didn’t think different parts would take as long as they did either. Like many podcasters, “life” has gotten in the way of the podcast production and delayed the release. I have outsourced getting transcripts for the upcoming episodes - at least transcripts of the clips I may use. It helps to see, in writing, the different things that the guests are saying. Then I can mark which parts to cut and rearrange the clips in a logical way with greater ease. I can then script the parts to narrate, edit the clips, and mix them together. If you’d be interested in a behind the scenes look and lending a hand in this podcast, I would love to hear from you. Simply go to CreativeStudio.Academy and click “Contact” on the menu or you can email me “joshua@podcastguy.co”. If you’d like a peek behind the scenes, but you’re not sure if you can help, you can go to the website and join the mailing list. I’ll be sending some things there soon to show some of what I’ve done, including how I’m taking the transcript and working it into a final script. I also have another thing going on in the background that has been taking some of my time, and I’ll share a little of that next episode. Thanks again for listening, and I’ll catch you on the next episode of the Creative Studio. God Bless!
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