Podcast appearances and mentions of Will Bagley

Join Lindsay and Bryan as they discuss the 19th century economies of indigenous trafficking in the American west, human enslavement and abuse and how Mormons contributed and impacted it. SHOWNOTES: "Redeeming" the Indian: The Enslavement of Indian Children in New Mexico and Utah by Sondra Jones Bancroft's History of Utah Utah Indians and the Indian Slave Trade: The Mormon Adoption. Program and its Effect on the Indian Slaves by Robert M. Muhlestein. The Whites Want Every Thing: Indian-Mormon Relations, 1847–1877 (Volume 16) (Kingdom in the West: The Mormons and the American Frontier Series) by Will Bagley

"Vengeance is Mine" is the sequel to "Massacre at Mountain Meadows." Rick Turley & Barbara Jones Brown discuss what Juanita Brooks and Will Bagley got wrong in their previous Mountain Meadows book. Barbara & Rick have uncovered new records about John D Lee's 2nd trial that changes the traditional narrative. They have uncovered new trial transcripts that break some of the things that previous authors Will Bagley & Juanita Brooks got wrong. What are these new findings? Check out our conversation.... https://youtu.be/PEvWyNqRBIY transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

Women were an integral part of the Mormon Battalion story and Lindsay and Bryan share their histories, including the story of a rogue group of women that braved the wild to avoid practicing polygamy. Shownotes: Donate to Sunstone and the History Podcast (leave us a note in the comment section to say hi!) Register for the Sunstone Summer Symposium Women of the Mormon Battalion by Larson, Carl V. and Shirley N. Maynes (comps. and eds.) Five hundred wagons stood still: Mormon Battalion wives by Shirley N. Maynes Mormon Battalion: U.S. Army of the West, 1846-1848 by Ricketts, Norma Baldwin Called to War: Dawn of the Mormon Battalion by Sherman Fleek Army of Israel: Mormon Battalion Narratives by Bigler, David L. and Will Bagley 

Referencias: - La Iglesia edita obras de arte clásicas: https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/12/29/latter-day-saints-alter-nativity - Packer trabajó siempre para el sistema educativo de la Iglesia: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/leader/boyd-k-packer?lang=eng - El hogar millonario de Packer: https://mormoninsider.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/boyd-packers-home/ - La fortuna de Brigham Young: http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/brighamyoungsestate.htm - Emily Partridge admite haber tenido relaciones sexuales con José Smith: https://josephsmithspolygamy.org/plural-wives-overview/emily-dow-partridge/ - Diario de Emily Partridge: del libro In Sacred Loneliness, de Todd Compton - Artículo de la Iglesia sobre las compañías de Martin y Willie: https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/content/historic-sites/wyoming/five-things-you-might-not-know-about-the-handcart-rescue?lang=eng - Brigham prefiere recuperar sus mercancías que ayudar a las compañías de Willie y Martin: del libro South Pass, de Will Bagley

In 1857, the Buchanan Administration sent an Army Expedition to Utah.  It was sure to be an arduous, difficulty journey, with many ways to suffer and few to win glory.  But who were the Soldiers marching against the Latter-day Saints?  On today's episode, we explore the Soldiers and Teamsters, which included both selfless heroes and hopeless drunks, public servants and fugitive criminals, that made up Johnston's Army.  Discussions include:  A letter from Robert E. Lee warning Albert Sidney Johnston not to take his wife to Utah, as the many wives of Brigham Young would look upon her as a "poor, imposed on sinner."The medical journal of Dr. Robert Bartholomew, Regimental Surgeon to the 10th Infantry Division.  He noted two classes of Soldiers - those who grew stronger through exercise and moderate living, and "worthless recruits" whose only abstained from whiskey when they could procure it.  The lone, dogged Marine, LT Robert Browning, who joined the Army expedition as an observer.  Three years later, the dashing young Marine would be lost in the Pacific Ocean, having gone down with his ship, USS Levant.  The "Thieves, Thugs, and Worthless Characters" that made up the Teamsters and Contractors joining the expedition.  The memoirs of Private Robert Morris Peck, including a description of how the card sharks and sharpers among the Teamsters would have nearly all the Soldiers' money within a few days of pay day, and a colorful description of Charlie Hart, one of the most reckless gamblers to join the expedition.  The desertion of Private Charles Wilcken, his defection to the Latter-day Saints, and his long and fruitful life as a baptized member of the Church.  Wilcken would have three descendants run for the U.S. Presidency - George Romney, Mitt Romney, and Jon Huntsman, Jr.   To learn more about the start of the Utah War, please check out these (excellent!) sources:  William MacKinnon, At Sword's Point: A Documentary History of the Utah War (Vol. I and II) (2016).  MacKinnon's work on the Utah War is nothing short of phenomenal.  They are available on Google Books to anyone interested.   Also, I drew on the Forward to Volume I written by Will Bagley.  

On July 24, 1857, the Latter-day Saints learned – in the middle of the 10th Anniversary Celebration – that President Buchanan had ordered an Army to the Utah Territory.  Though they did not know what the Army's mission or the intent behind the expedition, they learned that the expedition was to be led by William Selby Harney – and the choice of Harney portended the very worst.  In his council, Brigham Young called for a vote on a rather shocking proposal.  He wrote in his journal, “It was carried unanimously that if Harney crossed the south pass the buzzards should pick his bones.” But who was General Harney?  Why was his appointment as commander so significant?  Why did it provoke such outrage and desperation from Brigham Young and other Church leaders?  We explore that and more on this episode of Adventures in Mormon History.     This episode discusses Harney's history in the Mexican American War, and his heroism during the Battle of Cerro Gordo, the eagerness with which he hanged the deserters and traitors of the Saint Patrick Battalion (or San Patricios), the ruthlessness he showed in the Ash Hollow Massacre, and the depravity with which he murdered the enslaved young woman, Hannah, in Saint Louis in 1835.  By 1857, "Squaw Killer Harney" had become infamous.  The Latter-day Saints reacted to word of his appointment with outrage and shock.  They assumed that, under Harney, they would fare no better than the Saint Patrick deserters in the Mexican War, or the Lakota Sioux at Ash Hollow.  They began making preparations for war.  This episode also includes a recorded rendition of the long-forgotten Latter-day Saint folk song, "Squaw Killer Harney is on the Way."  I realized that it would, in the long run, be less embarrassing to record the song myself than to get someone who could actually sing.  To learn more about the start of the Utah War, please check out these (excellent!) sources:  William MacKinnon, At Sword's Point: A Documentary History of the Utah War (Vol. I and II) (2016).  MacKinnon's work on the Utah War is nothing short of phenomenal.  They are available on Google Books to anyone interested.   Also, I drew on the Forward to Volume I written by Will Bagley.  Wilford Hill Lecheminant, A Crisis Averted?  General Harney and the Change in Command of the Utah Expedition, 51 Utah Hist. Quarterly 1 (1983).Thomas E. Cheney, Mormon Songs From the Rocky Mountains: A Compilation of Mormon Folksong (1968).David L. Bigler, A Lion in the Path: Genesis of the Utah War, 1857-1858, 76 Utah Hist. Q. 1, 5 (Winter 2008), available at https://issuu.com/utah10/docs/uhq_volume76_2008_number1.In this episode: Brigham Young, George A. Smith, William Selby Harney, Asa Calkin, Jefferson Davis, P. T. G. Beauregard, Mexican American War, Bloody Kansas, Ash Hollow Massacre, Logan Reives, Saint Patrick Battalion, San Patricio Battalion, Battle of Cerro Gordo, Utah Expedition,  the Pig War of 1859.

The Utah War is one of the strangest footnotes in American History, and almost entirely forgotten.  But it was the largest military campaign the United States undertook between the Mexican War and the Civil War.  It took a third of the entire Army (and one lone, dogged Marine) and pitted them against the Latter-day Saint Nauvoo Legion, a force that, according to Historian Bill MacKinnon, was arguably the nation's largest and most experienced militia.  Ultimately, the conflict would destroy Buchanan's reputation and push the United States towards disunion and civil war.  On the other hand, it would forever change the Latter-day Saints, beginning a long and painful process to bring them and the Utah Territory under civil, secular authority.     But what caused the Utah War?  If you had to choose one single reason, it would be “misunderstanding.” This happened most spectacularly in January 1857, when the Utah Territorial Legislature (made up overwhelmingly of Latter-day Saints), began the new year by writing a Petition and Memorial to Congress in Washington D.C.  The request was for Utah to be admitted to the Union as a State.   This petition, however, read in the Capital like a series of wild-eyed threats.   Buchanan, two months later, would send the Army to Utah.Yet, nobody knew what the Army's mission was to be.  A crusade to slaughter the Mormons, with blood and sword and fire?  Or maybe a mere show of force -- a face-saving demonstration of the Administration's willingness to enforce federal law throughout its newly-acquired territories?  Or something in between?  And was its real purpose to distract the Nation from the slavery conflict raging in Kansas, as Robert Tyler advocated?  Or to dole out  lucrative government contracts and kickbacks, as General Winfield Scott alleged?  On this episode, we explore the (somewhat inscrutable) reasons that James Buchanan launched the campaign.  To learn more about the start of the Utah War, please check out these (excellent!) sources:  William MacKinnon, At Sword's Point: A Documentary History of the Utah War (Vol. I and II) (2016).  MacKinnon's work on the Utah War is nothing short of phenomenal.  They are available on Google Books to anyone interested.   Also, I drew on the Forward to Volume I written by Will Bagley.  David L. Bigler, A Lion in the Path: Genesis of the Utah War, 1857-1858, 76 Utah Hist. Q. 1, 5 (Winter 2008), available at https://issuu.com/utah10/docs/uhq_volume76_2008_number1.   

Two years ago, the late, great western historian Will Bagley helped KCPW relate what is perhaps the quintessential Utah Halloween story — the sordid tale of grave robber Jean Baptiste. In 1862, pioneer Salt Lake City was up in arms over the revelation that the grave digger at the city cemetery had been unearthing corpses […]

Two years ago, the late, great western historian Will Bagley helped KCPW relate what is perhaps the quintessential Utah Halloween story — the sordid tale of grave robber Jean Baptiste. In 1862, pioneer Salt Lake City was up in arms over the revelation that the grave digger at the city cemetery had been unearthing corpses […]

Following Will Bagley’s 2002 release of Blood of the Prophets, Richard Turley published Massacre at Mountain Meadows in 2008, as well as some collected legal records in 2017. I asked historian Will Bagley his impression of Turley’s work, and was surprised by his reaction. GT:  Should we get your opinion of that book [Massacre at […] The post Bagley Critiques Turley (Part 4 of 9) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.

When assigning blame for the Mountain Meadows Massacre, two figures who played a prominent role in raising tensions often don’t get talked about as much as others:  President James Buchanan, and apostle George A. Smith.  Will Bagley tells how these two men created the environment which allowed a massacre to take place at Mountain Meadows. […] The post Pres. Buchanan & George Smith’s Role in MMM (Part 3 of 9) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.

Just a few years before the Mountain Meadows Massacre was the Willie & Martin Handcart disasters.  Will Bagley has some surprising allegations about Brigham Young concerning these disasters. Will:  Brigham Young gets word of this through Franklin D Richards, and goes into Conference–it’s late October by this time. How does he deal with the crisis? […] The post Handcart Disasters & Mormon Reformation (Part 2 of 9) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.

163 years ago this month a terrible massacre occurred in southern Utah: the Mountain Meadows Massacre.  Juanita Brooks was the first LDS scholar to examine the massacre, and her book published in 1957 set the standard for Mormon scholarship.  In our next conversation with Will Bagley, we’ll get acquainted with him, and he will give […] The post Will Bagley on Juanita Brooks (Part 1 of 9) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.

Every great book has a great backstory. In Joe Geisner’s new edited work, Writing Mormon History: Historians and Their Books (Signature Books, 2020), well-known historians describe their journeys of writing books that have influenced our understanding of the Mormon past, offering an unprecedented glimpse into why they wrote these important works. Writing Mormon History is a must-read for anyone interested in Mormonism--historians, students of history, scholars, and aspiring authors. The volume’s contributors are: Polly Aird, Will Bagley, Todd Compton, Brian Hales, Melvin Johnson, William MacKinnon, Linda King Newell, Gregory Prince, D. Michael Quinn, Craig Smith, George D. Smith, Vickie Cleverley Speek, Susan Staker, Daniel Stone, John Turner The majority of the essays appear here for the first time. Daniel P. Stone holds a PhD in American religious history from Manchester Metropolitan University (United Kingdom) and is the author of William Bickerton: Forgotten Latter Day Prophet (Signature Books, 2018). He has taught history courses at the University of Detroit Mercy and Florida Atlantic University, and currently, he works as a research archivist for a private library/archive in Detroit, Michigan.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Every great book has a great backstory. In Joe Geisner’s new edited work, Writing Mormon History: Historians and Their Books (Signature Books, 2020), well-known historians describe their journeys of writing books that have influenced our understanding of the Mormon past, offering an unprecedented glimpse into why they wrote these important works. Writing Mormon History is a must-read for anyone interested in Mormonism--historians, students of history, scholars, and aspiring authors. The volume’s contributors are: Polly Aird, Will Bagley, Todd Compton, Brian Hales, Melvin Johnson, William MacKinnon, Linda King Newell, Gregory Prince, D. Michael Quinn, Craig Smith, George D. Smith, Vickie Cleverley Speek, Susan Staker, Daniel Stone, John Turner The majority of the essays appear here for the first time. Daniel P. Stone holds a PhD in American religious history from Manchester Metropolitan University (United Kingdom) and is the author of William Bickerton: Forgotten Latter Day Prophet (Signature Books, 2018). He has taught history courses at the University of Detroit Mercy and Florida Atlantic University, and currently, he works as a research archivist for a private library/archive in Detroit, Michigan.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Every great book has a great backstory. In Joe Geisner’s new edited work, Writing Mormon History: Historians and Their Books (Signature Books, 2020), well-known historians describe their journeys of writing books that have influenced our understanding of the Mormon past, offering an unprecedented glimpse into why they wrote these important works. Writing Mormon History is a must-read for anyone interested in Mormonism--historians, students of history, scholars, and aspiring authors. The volume’s contributors are: Polly Aird, Will Bagley, Todd Compton, Brian Hales, Melvin Johnson, William MacKinnon, Linda King Newell, Gregory Prince, D. Michael Quinn, Craig Smith, George D. Smith, Vickie Cleverley Speek, Susan Staker, Daniel Stone, John Turner The majority of the essays appear here for the first time. Daniel P. Stone holds a PhD in American religious history from Manchester Metropolitan University (United Kingdom) and is the author of William Bickerton: Forgotten Latter Day Prophet (Signature Books, 2018). He has taught history courses at the University of Detroit Mercy and Florida Atlantic University, and currently, he works as a research archivist for a private library/archive in Detroit, Michigan.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Every great book has a great backstory. In Joe Geisner’s new edited work, Writing Mormon History: Historians and Their Books (Signature Books, 2020), well-known historians describe their journeys of writing books that have influenced our understanding of the Mormon past, offering an unprecedented glimpse into why they wrote these important works. Writing Mormon History is a must-read for anyone interested in Mormonism--historians, students of history, scholars, and aspiring authors. The volume’s contributors are: Polly Aird, Will Bagley, Todd Compton, Brian Hales, Melvin Johnson, William MacKinnon, Linda King Newell, Gregory Prince, D. Michael Quinn, Craig Smith, George D. Smith, Vickie Cleverley Speek, Susan Staker, Daniel Stone, John Turner The majority of the essays appear here for the first time. Daniel P. Stone holds a PhD in American religious history from Manchester Metropolitan University (United Kingdom) and is the author of William Bickerton: Forgotten Latter Day Prophet (Signature Books, 2018). He has taught history courses at the University of Detroit Mercy and Florida Atlantic University, and currently, he works as a research archivist for a private library/archive in Detroit, Michigan.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Every great book has a great backstory. In Joe Geisner’s new edited work, Writing Mormon History: Historians and Their Books (Signature Books, 2020), well-known historians describe their journeys of writing books that have influenced our understanding of the Mormon past, offering an unprecedented glimpse into why they wrote these important works. Writing Mormon History is a must-read for anyone interested in Mormonism--historians, students of history, scholars, and aspiring authors. The volume’s contributors are: Polly Aird, Will Bagley, Todd Compton, Brian Hales, Melvin Johnson, William MacKinnon, Linda King Newell, Gregory Prince, D. Michael Quinn, Craig Smith, George D. Smith, Vickie Cleverley Speek, Susan Staker, Daniel Stone, John Turner The majority of the essays appear here for the first time. Daniel P. Stone holds a PhD in American religious history from Manchester Metropolitan University (United Kingdom) and is the author of William Bickerton: Forgotten Latter Day Prophet (Signature Books, 2018). He has taught history courses at the University of Detroit Mercy and Florida Atlantic University, and currently, he works as a research archivist for a private library/archive in Detroit, Michigan.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ben Golliver and Michael Pina open by arguing about an age-old question: Who was Michael Jordan's most tortured opponent? Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing? From there, they discuss the impact that the coronavirus shutdown could have on aging players. Which veterans might enter a different stage of their careers by the time basketball is back? Kyle Lowry? Chris Paul? PJ Tucker? Dwight Howard? On the flip side, which players are poised for bounce-back seasons after the extra time off? Ben and Michael close with a discussion of Marvin Bagley III and Aaron Gordon, two younger players in need of a boost. Will Bagley fulfill his all-star potential? Is it time to give up on Gordon? And, more importantly, can Gordon rap?   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Will Bagley, Utah and Western historian, author or editor of over twenty books, former columnist for the Salt Lake Tribune (best known column "History Matters" 2000–2004) and sought-out public commentator on Mormon and Utah history. A former journalist and, for the last 35 years, as one of Utah's most outspoken historians, Bagley answers questions regarding why people should study history, how Utah's history has been approached in the past, and why understanding it is important to contemporary Utahns. He also describes selected works of his, and finally speaks of mentors, and various deceased students and professors of history, all of whom have influenced his approach to history.

There is dispute among historians about Brigham Young's knowledge about the Mountain Meadows Massacre.  Is it true Brigham knew in Sept 1857?  Did John D. Lee tell him the truth about the massacre? https://youtu.be/45dNVT_8aS4 Mel: Well, Brigham Young argued that he didn't know the story for a long time after. I agree with Will Bagley and others that John D. Lee did not lie to Young and that Jacob Hamblin told him the truth within two weeks. Hamblin is reciting second hand what the killers had told him. GT:  Because I know Barbara said that John D. Lee went up, I want to say September 29 to Salt Lake to talk to Brigham and Barbara says that John D. Lee lied and blamed it on the Indians. Mel:  That has been one of the standards of protection for President Young for a very long time, that John D. Lee lied. GT:  Okay, so you're saying that Will Bagley believes that John D. Lee told Brigham the truth right from the get go? Mel: And I do, too. GT:  You do, too. Mel:  And some other historians do. Jacob Hamblin was up there within 10 or 11 days. And I can imagine... GT : Well, Jacob wasn't part of the massacre. Mel : No, he was not.  He would be repeating what he heard second hand. But everybody lived in everybody's hip pocket down there. You know, we have this idea that Dixie is this vast place, which it is, that takes forever for people and information to travel. No. On horseback from what is now Panguitch, or say, Circleville, the fort there is no more than a two-day travel down to Santa Clara. Native Americans, Mormons, other whites, Mexicans, and what they know are moving through this area all the time. It's fluid, it's constant. Historian Mel Johnson tells us what he thinks, and discusses pioneer John Hawley's possible involvement, and his vocal disagreement, with the massacre. Mel:  Medical forensics work showed that there were a number of pistol holes in the skeletons and skulls of men, women and children. The only two revolvers that I can find in the Iron County Militia Musters: men who owned revolvers that were thought to be at the killing fields was Indian missionary Ira Hatch and John Pierce Hawley. Check out our conversation…. Historian Mel Johnson believes John D. Lee told Brigham Young the truth about the Mountain Meadows massacre. (Others think Lee lied.) Don't miss other other conversations with Mel! 279: Hawley's Opposition to MMM 278: Mormon Pioneers in Texas & End of Wightites 277: More on the Zodiac Temple in Texas 276: Lyman Wight & Mormon Colonies in Texas 275: Intro to Hawley

I'm excited to introduce historian Melvin Johnson.  He's written a biography on early Mormon pioneer John Pierce Hawley.  Hawley traveled extensively among several Mormon groups from Nauvoo to Salt Lake to Texas.  Johnson tells about some of the early Mormon persecutions, and this was one I hadn't heard of! https://youtu.be/N06_Qdtgnd4 GT : Okay, so what you're saying is, as Joseph was building the city of Nauvoo, that he sent Lyman Wight on a mission to Wisconsin to get wood so that they could build all the buildings in Nauvoo. Mel: Almost right.  The earlier story is the Nauvoo House committee, with Apostle Wight, Bishop George Miller, Peter Hawes, Lucien Woodward, Alpheus Cutler and others were on the committee, and they were cast to go to the territory of Wisconsin to locate existing sawmills, purchase them, and then begin the program of making lumber and timber for the temple, house and other projects. That began in 1841. It was not a good start. George Miller was drafted because of his business ability. He could be a cranky, irritable person. The only two church authorities--religious authorities that he ever followed closely and trusted implicitly, was Joseph Smith Jr. and later, after his death, James Strang in Wisconsin and Michigan. He distrusted almost everybody else.  [He was] not impressed with Brigham Young in the slightest and would quarrel with Lyman Wight in their five-year association in Wisconsin and elsewhere. Mel:  Miller went up to the territory, in the winter, with James Emmett, his guide.  Emmett was the great Mormon frontiersman. I think George Miller became almost as good as he [Emmett] was. Later on, we can talk about those exploits. Miller put the sawmills and the logging fronts on a good, sound financial basis.  By 1843, the Spring, it was time to expand the logging and milling effort, so Lyman Wight went recruiting for people to go to Black River Falls in the area. He recruited The Hawleys, Curtis's, Ballentines, Moncurs, and others who ended up in Wisconsin territory from Iowa. There they remained for more than a year, finishing the milling and the lumbering for the effort down in Nauvoo. GT:  So this is getting close to the time of the martyrdom, it sounds like, so how did how did Hawley react to that? Mel:  Early in the winter of 1843 and 1844, the federal agents for the Native Americans there, got involved and refused to let the Native Americans market their standing timber beyond the contracts they had already signed to the Mormons. In other words, by the Spring of 1844, the black pine mission was going to come to an end. GT:  So let me make sure I understand that. So it sounds like the Native Americans had some sort of a logging contract with the Mormons in Wisconsin. Mel:  That's correct, and the federal agents... GT:  Put a kibosh on that. Mel:  That's right. So the colony.....it was a typical frontier myth among the anti-Mormons that Joseph and the leadership, were going to ally with the Indian tribes, which would, as Will Bagley liked to call it, make them the war hammer, the Mormons and they would beat up on all the non-Mormons. GT:  So this was to not only stop the Indians, but to stop the Mormons, as well. It was basically to quash them both. Mel:  No, the Mormons. GT:  Just the Mormons. Mel:  Yeah. The Menominee were not going to go anywhere. They had no great power of Native Americans. Federal Indian agents just wanted to mess with the Mormons, and they were very effective at it. Check out our conversation…. Historian Melvin Johnson describes persecution against early Mormons

The end of the Civil War opened a new era of fossil hunting in the American West -- and a bitter feud between two rival paleontologists, who spent 20 years sabotaging one another in a constant struggle for supremacy. In this week's episode of the Futility Closet podcast we'll tell the story of the Bone Wars, the greatest scientific feud of the 19th century. We'll also sympathize with Scunthorpe and puzzle over why a driver can't drive. Intro: Nepal's constitution contains instructions for drawing its flag. The tombstone of Constanze Mozart's second husband calls him "the husband of Mozart's widow." Othniel Charles Marsh and Edward Drinker Cope. Sources for our feature on the Bone Wars: David Rains Wallace, The Bonehunters' Revenge, 1999. Mark Jaffe, The Gilded Dinosaur, 2000. Elizabeth Noble Shor, The Fossil Feud, 1974. Hal Hellman, Great Feuds in Science, 1998. Tom Huntington, "The Great Feud," American History 33:3 (August 1998), 14. Richard A. 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Daniel Oberhaus, "Life on the Internet Is Hard When Your Last Name is 'Butts,'" Motherboard, Aug. 29, 2018. Matthew Moore, "The Clbuttic Mistake: When Obscenity Filters Go Wrong," Telegraph, Sept. 2, 2008. This week's lateral thinking puzzle was contributed by listener David Malki. You can listen using the player above, download this episode directly, or subscribe on Google Podcasts, on Apple Podcasts, or via the RSS feed at https://futilitycloset.libsyn.com/rss. Please consider becoming a patron of Futility Closet -- you can choose the amount you want to pledge, and we've set up some rewards to help thank you for your support. You can also make a one-time donation on the Support Us page of the Futility Closet website. Many thanks to Doug Ross for the music in this episode. If you have any questions or comments you can reach us at podcast@futilitycloset.com. Thanks for listening!

A lead scroll was found at Lee's Ferry in Arizona, now known as the Dead Lee Scroll.  What is it exactly? https://youtu.be/jAc2Zdrkz4U Steve:    Well, one of the documents or artifacts that came up in 2002 was a lead plate they found down in Lee's Ferry and it's been given the nickname of Dead Lee Scroll. Will Bagley gave it that name. It's a piece of lead. [It's] very thin. So, it's not the hardest thing. ... So, he is in there cleaning. And all of the sudden he come across this thing rolled up. He opens it comes up and starts reading John D. Lee. Whoa! That has something to do with it. So, he cleans it off and they look at and they come up, hey, is this a confession? Is just some document that points out to it. Well, of course, boom, everybody loves it. Well, March of 2002, the archeologist for the Park Service, she'd taken it to Phoenix and showed it to Bill Flynn who worked with George Throckmorton on the Hofmann documents. Bill Flynn's not LDS. Then she brings up to Salt Lake to George Throckmorton who was my boss at the time in Salt Lake Police crime lab. And so, he examined it, taking pictures of it and everything. Was it a long-lost admission of guilt from the only person convicted of participating in the Mountain Meadows Massacre, John D. Lee?  Steve Mayfield will tell us more about it and attempts to authenticate it.  (It features forensic expert George Throckmorton, who we interviewed previously!)  If you want to see photos of the scroll and Lee's Ferry, Go to Youtube.com/GospelTangents to see the video.  Steve was kind enough to share some of his photos with me. Does the Dead Lee Scroll implicate Brigham Young in the Mountain Meadows Massacre? Check out our conversation…

On this episode, Will Bagley joins us to share in his specialty, Bloody Brigham Young. We discuss a brief overview of how the Saints made their way from Nauvoo to the Great Basin in Mexico territory and the fun begins. Brigham Young realized Joseph Smith’s dreams of a Mormon theocracy and truly took it above and beyond anything Jo could have dreamt up. Be sure to buy Bagley’s book, Blood of the Prophets, which spawned this entire conversation. Show Links: Website http://nakedmormonismpodcast.com Twitter @NakedMormonism Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naked-Mormonism/370003839816311 Patreon http://patreon.com/nakedmormonism Music by Jason Comeau http://aloststateofmind.com/ Show Artwork http://weirdmormonshit.com/ Legal Counsel http://patorrez.com/

On this episode, Will Bagley takes us through the Joseph years of Mormon history and sets the precursor for next week’s episode where the blueprints Joseph laid are realized by Brigham Young. Show Links: Weird Alma https://weirdalma.bandcamp.com/ Website http://nakedmormonismpodcast.com Twitter @NakedMormonism Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Naked-Mormonism/370003839816311 Patreon http://patreon.com/nakedmormonism Music by Jason Comeau http://aloststateofmind.com/ Show Artwork http://weirdmormonshit.com/ Legal Counsel http://patorrez.com/

A special interview with multiple award winning author, historian of the American West, and frontier storyteller Will Bagley.  Will sets the scene for the Donner disaster by breaking down the national and international events surrounding westward migration to California and the Oregon territories. He describes the schemers and get-rich-quick promoters that populated the overland trails. He mentions: -the worst disasters in overland migration history (hint: the Donner Party was not one of them) -why we find the Donner Party so “sexy,” -what factors predict who will eat whom, -the contributions and motivations of American Indians, -why powerful people do despicable things -what would have happened if the Donner party stayed on the Nevada side of the Sierras for the winter, and too many other insights to list.   Opinionated, iconoclastic, well-informed, Will Bagley is a reliable guide to the Donner party tragedy (even more trustworthy than Lansford Hastings) and a historian in the grand tradition of the old west.  Enjoy!

Join Lindsay as she talks about Emma Batchelor Lee French, a favorite wife of John D. Lee of Mountain Meadows Massacre fame.   Links mentioned in this podcast: Will Bagley’s: “ONE LONG FUNERAL MARCH”: A REVISIONIST’S VIEW OF THE MORMON HANDCART DISASTERS Courageous Emma Lee Endured Many Hardships in Pioneer Utah Emma Lee by Juanita […]

Will Bagley presents his Dale L. Morgan Lecture: "The Sharpest Thorn: Life on the Boarderlands of the American West" --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mormonexpression/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/mormonexpression/support

In part 2 of our discussion with Will Bagley, Will describes how he became a historian and his interest in Mormon History. He also gives his perspective on the Mountain Meadows Massacre. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mormonexpression/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/mormonexpression/support

In this episode, Tom is joined by Will Bagley. Will is an independent historian and a prominent author who has written close to 20 books. In this episode, Will talks about his background and growing up Mormon. Links: Kingdom in the West Series So Rugged and So Mountainous: Blazing the trails to Oregon and California, 1812-1848 Blood of the Prophets Always a Cowboy Innocent Blood: Essential Narratives of the Mountain Meadow Massacre (V.12 Kingdom in the West) Scoundrel's Tale: The Samuel Brannan Papers One Long Funeral March” Article LDS church's Pioneer Company Search --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/mormonexpression/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/mormonexpression/support