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Referencias: - Video del Canal Lamanita: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB_8s050tu4&t=18s - Stephen C. LeSueur, The 1838 Mormon War in Missouri, pagina 51 - Cita, "Seré gobernador": https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Journal_of_Discourses/1/29 - Monumento de Mountain Meadows erigido por el ejército: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-aftermath-of-mountain-meadows-110735627/ - Diario de Wilford Woodruff con la cita de Young: https://wilfordwoodruffpapers.org/documents/d3d712e1-2719-4efa-8d2d-b2dfda74f9fb/page/7f604d11-2494-4a3b-9497-35b60e0149b0 (25 de mayo) - Sitio del gobierno de Nebraska con la historia de Winter Quarters: https://history.nebraska.gov/omahas-tragedy-of-winter-quarters-monument - Mormonr: Brigham Young era racista: https://mormonr.org/qnas/BT5Sk/black_saints_and_the_priesthood_brigham_young_early_utah_era - nps.gov: Brigham Young y la esclavitud: https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/chapter-1-race-slavery-and-freedom-utah-slaves-and-saints.htm - Cita de Brigham Young en el sitio de la Fundación B. H. Roberts: https://bhroberts.org/records/05SIn6-051ldl/brigham_criticizes_interracial_marriage_and_mentions_if_they_were_far_away_from_the_gentiles_they_would_all_h_av_e_to_be_killed - Negación del sacerdocio a los negros en el sitio de la Iglesia: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/priesthood-and-temple-restriction?lang=spa - Brigham Young y Ann Eliza Web: https://www.historynet.com/brigham-youngs-19th-wife/?r - Concilio de 50 y el viaje a Utah: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/articles/council-of-fifty-topic
This week, we're in Utah discussing a horrific attack on a wagon train. Then, we'll talk about a serial killer who has traveled across the country, killing and sexually mutilating young men. Buckle up and join us on this dark and twisted ride through the Beehive State. You may now join us on Patreon or buy us a Cocktail. Be sure to subscribe on Apple and leave a review, or, email us at unitedstatesofmurder@gmail.com Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter! Sources: Meadows Massacre, PBS: American Experience, Smithsonian Magazine, American Massacre: The Tragedy at Mountain Meadows, Deseret News, Marty James Shook - Utah DPS, Medium, Unresolved, The I-80 Hitchhiker Murders: Who Killed Wayne Rifendifer & Marty Shook? Music by Pixabay
Min 5: FILTRANDO LA NUEVA “SEPARACIÓN” (Apple Tv) Dirigida por Ben Stiller, esta serie ganadora de dos premios Emmy sigue a Mark y a su equipo de trabajo. Tras someterse a un procedimiento quirúrgico que separa sus recuerdos personales de los laborales, se embarcan en un viaje para descubrir la verdad sobre sus trabajo y sobre sí mismos. Apple Tv vuelve a la carga con una de sus series estrella, que mantiene el nivel y que promete sorpresas que han convencido a nuestra crítico de Hobby Consolas, que la considera un producto sobresaliente. CALIFICACIÓN EDC: 4'5 estrellas Min 16: MUERTOS S.L. 2 (Movistar +) Cuando fallece Gonzalo Torregrosa, propietario y fundador de la Funeraria Torregrosa, Dámaso Carrillo, su mano derecha en la empresa, no duda en que lo mejor para la continuidad del negocio es que él asuma el mando. Pero, contra todo pronóstico Nieves, la septuagenaria viuda, decide ponerse al frente de la empresa familiar, ayudada por su inútil y entusiasta yerno, Chemi, experto en Marketing, y en contra de los planes de sus hijas de cerrar y montar un gimnasio. El equipo de la funeraria Torregrosa, dirigido por un impagable Carlos Areces, vuelve a la carga con una segunda temporada que hace virar el humor negro e incorrecto de la primera entrega hacia un tono más surrealista y propio del Universo Muchachada Nui. La serie que también firman los responsables de "Machos Alfa" (Los hermanos Caballero) convence al Filtro Rachel. CALIFICACIÓN EDC: 4 ESTRELLAS Min 24. LAS BRUJAS DE MAYFAIR 2 (AMC +) Rowan Fielding (Alexandra Daddario) una intuitiva y joven neurocirujana, descubre que es la improbable heredera de una familia de brujas. Mientras lucha con sus nuevos poderes, debe enfrentarse a una presencia siniestra que ha perseguido a su familia por generaciones. Basada en la trilogía superventas de Anne Rice, "Las Brujas de Mayfair" se ha convertido en uno de los títulos estrella de AMC+, que tras salir del menú de Movistar trata de recuperar el vuelo por libre y a través de Prime Video. Su segunda temporada sigue mezclando romances imposibles, brujería, terror suave y tramas amorosas. CALIFICACIÓN EDC: 2,75 estrellas Min 29: DUNE LA PROFECÍA: BALANCE FINAL Y, tras la pausa navideña, teníamos pendiente calibrar el fin de temporada de una de las series que más potentes y que mas ha dado que hablor en la recta final del año. "Dune: La Profecía" decía adiós con un sexto episodio de 90 minutos salpicados de revelaciones, verdades, secretos, despedidas y nuevos retos. Raquel Hernández y Ro0berto LAncha sopesan lo mejor y lo peor de esta gran apuesta de Max que, visto su desenlace y la distancia con las pelis de Villeneuve, no ha convencido por igual a nuestros críticos. CALIFICACIÓN EDC: 3,75 estrellas Min 38: BSO "AMERICAN PRIMEVAL" (ÉRASE UNA VEZ EL OESTE) American Primeval está ambientada en 1857 durante la Guerra de Utah. La trama de la serie comienza con la masacre de Mountain Meadows, en la que las milicias mormonas aliadas con los indios paiute mataron a unos 120 colonos de Arkansas que trataban de llegar a California. Nuestro experto Ángel Luque, amante reconocido del Western, ha puesto el foco sobre este título de Netflix que, aunque para muchos haya pasado desapercibido, es un puñetazo sobre la mesa del género y una demostración de buen cine convertido en serie. Firma la banda sonora un grupo llamado Explosions in the Sky, que desarrolla una propuesta de country atmosférico que conjuga el espíritu crudo que porpone la historia con ambientes más trascendetes y reflexivos.
January 9 saw the release of a new Netflix series, American Primeval, set in the context of mid-19th-century Utah. Though the series is fictionalized, many of the events and peoples depicted are real, including the Utah War, the Mountain Meadows Massacre, the Mormon settlers, and the Shoshone, Ute, and Paiute Indians. Historians Barbara Jones Brown and Darren Parry join host John Dehlin for this live podcast to answer viewer's questions about which aspects of the series are factual and which are historical fiction. Barbara is co-author of Vengeance Is Mine: The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath, and Darren is the author of The Bear River Massacre: A Shoshone History. Barbara and Darren offer a unique perspective because they are not only historians of this time period in Utah, they are direct descendants of peoples depicted in the mini-series--Darren is Northwestern Shoshone, and Barbara is a descendant of perpetrators of the horrific massacre at Mountain Meadows. Show Notes YouTube Mormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donation through Donorbox Support us on Patreon PayPal Venmo Our Platforms: YouTube Patreon Spotify Apple Podcasts Contact us:MormonStories@gmail.comPO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Social Media: Insta: @mormstories TikTok: @mormonstoriespodcast Join the Discord
Profiling Evil's Twisted Tales: In 1857, a peaceful wagon train of around 120 emigrants, journeying from Arkansas to California, faced unimaginable tragedy in southern Utah's Mountain Meadows. Misinformation, deep-rooted tensions, and misunderstandings turned a serene valley into the site of one of the darkest episodes in the American West. Believing the emigrants posed a threat, a group of Latter-day Saints and their allies launched an attack that led to the tragic massacre. This video delves into the complex history, the rising tensions of the Utah Territory, and the lasting impact of this horrific event. Join us as we explore the layers behind this misunderstood chapter and examine how fear and mistrust led to a heartbreaking mistake.emigrant_westward, mountain_meadows_massacre, american_history, utah_history, latter_day_saint, tragic_event, western_expansion, misunderstood_history, mountain_meadow=======================================Order a copy of Deceived or She Knew No Fear and get the book signed for free! https://www.ProfilingEvil.comDONATE to Profiling Evil: https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=PK7KKA55V8PENSUPPORT our Podcasts: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1213394/support
The Mountain Meadows Massacre—easily the darkest and most violent episode in our Church's history—happened on September 11, 1857, when a group of Latter-day Saints, aided by some Paiute Native Americans, participated in the wholesale slaughter of around 120 men, women, and children belonging to a wagon train of emigrants from Arkansas en route to California. This atrocity occurred against the backdrop of the 1857 Utah War when the feelings of Latter-day Saints were already set on edge. As federal US troops marched toward Utah with unknown intentions, Church leaders used defiant rhetoric and counseled the Saints—who had been victims of government-sanctioned violence before—to conserve their resources and be ready for anything. It was in this unfortunate atmosphere of hysteria that those in the Arkansas wagon train found themselves as they passed through Utah. So by the time these emigrants purportedly said and did offensive things toward some Latter-day Saints, the stage had already been tragically set for the highly irrational and totally unjustified violent response they received in return. In this episode of Church History Matters, we walk through the details of how this atrocity unfolded under the direction of local Latter-day Saint leaders and think about what possible lessons we might glean from this darkest hour of our history. For show notes and transcript for this and other episodes go to https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/church-history-matters-podcast/
Episode 63: Mountain Meadow Massacre | A Bloody Mormon History In the vast, arid expanse of 19th-century Utah Territory, a seemingly routine journey turned into a harrowing nightmare for a wagon train of emigrants. Beneath a facade of hospitality and trust, dark forces were at play that would lead to a tragic and brutal confrontation. Join us as we unravel the chilling events of the Mountain Meadows Massacre and the complex web of motives behind one of the darkest chapters in American frontier history.Trigger Warnings:Murder (Massacre)Corruption Surviving Children:Baker, Mary Elizabeth, 5Baker, Sarah Frances, 3Baker, William Twitty, 9 monthsDunlap, Georgia Ann, 18 monthsDunlap, Louisa, 4Dunlap, Prudence Angeline, 5Dunlap, Rebecca J., 6Dunlap, Sarah E., 1Fancher, Christopher "Kit" Carson, 5Fancher, Triphenia D., 22 monthsHuff, Nancy Saphrona, 4 (Huff is prominently featured in the documentary Burying the Past: Legacy of the Mountain Meadows Massacre)Jones, Felix Marion, 18 monthsMiller, John Calvin, 6Miller, Joseph, 1Miller, Mary, 4Tackitt, Emberson Milum, 4 (Returned to their mother's family, the Millers)Tackitt, William Henry, 19 months (Returned to their mother's family, the Millers)Fahlohttps://myfahlo.comUse Code: LACIBEAN20Try Javy Today!Affiliate Link:https://snwbl.io/javy-coffee/LACI33468Coupon Code: LACI33468Square 2: Next Steps Into Reconstruction - Self-Paced Reconstruction CourseDiscount Code: LOLAhttps://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction Deadly Faith PATREON: https://patreon.com/DeadlyFaithPodcast?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLinkDeadly Drip Merch https://www.bonfire.com/store/deadly-drip/?utm_source=facebook_messenger&utm_medium=store_page_published_share&utm_campaign=deadly-drip&utm_content=default Need A Podcast Editor? Reach out to Eric Howell the editor of the Deadly Faith podcast!Email: thepodcastdoctor@gmail.com Resources:National Domestic Violence Hotline 1(800)799-7233 Open 24/7Suicide Hotline Call 988 Open 24/7National Human Trafficking Hotline Open 24/7 1(800) 373-7888 Connect with Us! EmailDeadlyFaithPodcast@gmail.comThe PodcastTik Tok @DeadlyFaithPodcastInstagram @DeadlyFaithPodcastLaciTik Tok @Laci_BeanInstagram @Laci__BeanLolaTik Tok @hellotherelolaInstagram @Spellbound_Shears
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Dr Janiece Johnson specialises in American religious history—specifically Mormon history, gender, and the prosecution for the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Janiece worked on Richard E. Turley Jr.'s 'Massacre at Mountain Meadows' book and was the general editor of the recently published Mountain Meadows Massacre: Collected Legal Papers. As a magnificent culmination of her work on the massacre, she wrote and published 'Convicting the Mormons: The Mountain Meadows Massacre in American Culture.I wanted to speak to Janiece as I've always wanted to learn about the Mountain Meadows Massacre, but there is so much emotion and conspiracy around the topic. I feel privileged that Janiece would join us and share trusted, honest insights into the history and the aftermath of the horrific event. Some highlights from this episode include how media sensationalism caused a lasting impact on America's perceptions on Latter-day Saints, a definitive answer of whether or not any blame could be placed at Brigham Young's feet, and how Janiece kept her faith strong despite studying such saddening accounts.--You can get Janiece's excellent book at the following link, I would really recommend this:- https://www.amazon.co.uk/Convicting-Mormons-Mountain-Massacre-American/dp/1469673533- https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/63903861-convicting-the-mormonsFollow For All The Saints on social media for updates and inspiring content:www.instagram.com/forallthesaintspodhttps://www.facebook.com/forallthesaintspod/For All The Saints episodes are released every Monday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts and more:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVDUQg_qZIU&list=UULFFf7vzrJ2LNWmp1Kl-c6K9Qhttps://open.spotify.com/show/3j64txm9qbGVVZOM48P4HS?si=bb31d048e05141f2https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/for-all-the-saints/id1703815271If you have feedback or any suggestions for topics or guests, connect with Ben & Sean via hello@forallthesaints.org or DM on InstagramConversations to Refresh Your Faith.For All The Saints podcast was established in 2023 by Ben Hancock to express his passion and desire for more dialogue around faith, religious belief, and believers' perspectives on the topics of our day. Tune into For All The Saints every Monday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and more.Follow For All The Saints on social media for daily inspiration.
Send us a Text Message.This week, we are in Utah and with some very special guests! Kenzie's mom was in town visiting, and was our honorary live audience while we recorded this episode! Unfortunately, our mics did not pick up what she said, so it might sound like we are talking to an imaginary person, but we promise, she was there! Later in the episode, our friend Juliana arrives, and it was great practice for future live shows! Lauren kicks things off by delving into the story of the controversial John Doyle Lee, a high-ranking member in the early days of Mormonism whose questionable decisions ultimately led to his excommunication from the church. Next, Kenzie shares the tale of the supposed curse on the 1956 John Wayne movie, The Conqueror. Is the movie really cursed, or simply a result of human error and negligence? Tune in for an episode filled with intriguing stories and a glimpse into Utah's cool nature and its more ominous characters.--Follow us on Social Media and find out how to support A Scary State by clicking on our Link Tree: https://instabio.cc/4050223uxWQAl--Have a scary tale or listener story of your own? Send us an email to ascarystatepodcast@gmail.com! We can't wait to read it!--Thinking of starting a podcast? Thinking about using Buzzsprout for that? Well use our link to let Buzzsprout know we sent you and get a $20 Amazon gift card if you sign up for a paid plan!https://www.buzzsprout.com/?referrer_id=1722892--Works cited!https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yta4QOa3v1nS3V-vOcYPNx3xSgv_GckdFcZj6FBt8zg/edit?usp=sharing --Intro and outro music thanks to Kevin MacLeod. You can visit his site here: http://incompetech.com/. Which is where we found our music!
Welcome to a recap of the multi-part series on The Mountain Meadows Massacre with historian, author, director of Signature Books, content editor of the award-winning "Massacre at Mountain Meadows" and co-author of "Vengeance Is Mine, The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath" Barbara Jones Brown!In this live steam we ask Barbara the quick facts on the Mountain Meadows Massacre, a tragic event in Mormon history where a group of Mormons in 1857 killed a large group of innocent men, women, and children. With Destiny begging to Manifest in the 1850s, the US government was hot for an economic and cultural superiority expansion. Mormons had their backs! Or DID they?Here's the overview of all the forces at play that led otherwise sane people (hold your jokes) to commit heinous acts of violence on innocent people.Pick up the book Vengeance Is Mine from your local bookseller or online: https://www.amazon.com/Vengeance-Mine-Mountain-Massacre-Aftermath/dp/0195397851Listen to the audiobook of Vengeance Is Mine: https://www.audible.com/pd/Vengeance-Is-Mine-Audiobook/B0C6FPQFB5?eac_link=QUOOMHSekDaE&ref=web_search_eac_asin_3&eac_selected_type=asin&eac_selected=B0C6FPQFB5&qid=xMIVfP7ajx&eac_id=140-1729692-0760619_xMIVfP7ajx&sr=1-3All my links and info on the group trip to Greece!
In August of 1857, a wagon train of travelers from Missouri and Arkansas rolls into Utah Territory. It's called the Baker-Fancher party and it's headed for California. The group camps in a high mountain valley called Mountain Meadows in southern Utah Territory, but Mormon settlers in the area believe the emigrants are more than just travelers. The Mormons believe the Baker-Fancher party is connected to the approaching U.S. Army column. As fear and suspicion grow, a Mormon militia attacks the travelers in a tragic event called the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Join Black Barrel+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons: blackbarrel.supportingcast.fm/join Apple users join Black Barrel+ for ad-free episodes, bingeable seasons and bonus episodes. Click the Black Barrel+ banner on Apple to get started with a 3-day free trial. On YouTube, subscribe to LEGENDS+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons. Hit “JOIN” on the Infamous America YouTube homepage. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm4V_wVD7N1gEB045t7-V0w/featured For more details, please visit www.blackbarrelmedia.com. Our social media pages are: @blackbarrelmedia on Facebook and Instagram, and @bbarrelmedia on Twitter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
I've started a new multi-part series on The Mountain Meadows Massacre with historian, author, director of Signature Books, content editor of the award-winning "Massacre at Mountain Meadows" and co-author of "Vengeance Is Mine, The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath" Barbara Jones Brown.This is part three where Barbara and I discuss the Mountain Meadows Massacre, a tragic event in Mormon history where a group of Mormons in 1857 killed a large group of innocent men, women, and children. Practice self-care, grab a box of tissues, and buckle up for the horrifying story of the Mountain Meadows Massacre as we delve into the tragic events that unfolded on September 11th, 1857. Barbara brings to light the complex and heart-wrenching story of this massacre for listeners with a complete murder-by-murder breakdown for you as you break down. With Barbara's dedication to researching this massacre, giving a voice to the defenseless victims, and her heartfelt storytelling, you'll leave this episode rocked to your very core.We also touch on Barbara's personal journey of uncovering her ancestral connection to this dark chapter in Mormon history. Join us in honoring the memory of the victims and exploring the significant lessons this incident holds for us today. Don't forget to share your thoughts and subscribe for deeper historical explorations on Mormon history.Pick up the book Vengeance Is Mine from your local bookseller or online: https://www.amazon.com/Vengeance-Mine-Mountain-Massacre-Aftermath/dp/0195397851Listen to the audiobook of Vengeance Is Mine: https://www.audible.com/pd/Vengeance-Is-Mine-Audiobook/B0C6FPQFB5?eac_link=QUOOMHSekDaE&ref=web_search_eac_asin_3&eac_selected_type=asin&eac_selected=B0C6FPQFB5&qid=xMIVfP7ajx&eac_id=140-1729692-0760619_xMIVfP7ajx&sr=1-3
Referencias: Ensayo del profesor Alexander Baugh sobre la masacre de Haun's Mill: https://ensignpeakfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/The-Haun%E2%80%99s-Mill-Massacre-and-the-Extermination-Order-of-Missouri-Governor-Lilburn-W.-Boggs.pdf Ensayo de la Iglesia sobre la Masacre de Haun's Mill: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/hawns-mill-massacre?lang=spa Mi tour de Mountain Meadows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6TEN5Ghhpo Ensayo sobre la masacre de Battle Creek: https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1936&context=byusq Esclavitud en Utah: https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/05/30/sarah-barringer-gordon/ Salt Lake Tribune: Masacre de Nephi: https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=4341777&itype=NGPSID Dos testigos hablan de la matanza de Nephi: https://issuu.com/utah10/docs/uhq_volume47_1979_number4/s/130332 Masacre de Bear River: https://www.uen.org/utah_history_encyclopedia/b/BEAR_RIVER_MASSACRE.shtml Ensayo sobre la masacre de Aiken: https://www.jstor.org/stable/25443606 La masacre de Circleville: https://pitu.gov/the-circleville-massacre/ Guerra de Black Hawk: https://historytogo.utah.gov/black-hawk-war/
Exciting news! I am starting a new multi-part series on The Mountain Meadows Massacre with historian, author, director of Signature Books, content editor of the award-winning "Massacre at Mountain Meadows" and co-author of "Vengeance Is Mine, The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath" Barbara Jones Brown!This is part one where Barbara and I discuss the Mountain Meadows Massacre, a tragic event in Mormon history where a group of Mormons in 1857 killed a large group of innocent men, women, and children. With Destiny begging to Manifest in the 1850s, the US government was hot for an economic and cultural superiority expansion. Mormons had their backs! Or DID they? Here's the overview of all the forces at play that led otherwise sane people (hold your jokes) to commit heinous acts of violence on innocent people.
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On September 11, 1857, a small band of Mormons led by John D. Lee massacred an emigrant train of men, women, and children heading west at Mountain Meadows, Utah. News of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, as it became known, sent shockwaves through the western frontier of the United States, reaching the nation's capital and eventually crossing the Atlantic. In the years prior to the massacre, Americans dubbed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the "Mormon problem" as it garnered national attention for its "unusual" theocracy and practice of polygamy. In the aftermath of the massacre, many Americans viewed Mormonism as a real religious and physical threat to white civilization. Putting the Mormon Church on trial for its crimes against American purity became more important than prosecuting those responsible for the slaughter. In Convicting the Mormons: The Mountain Meadows Massacre in American Culture (UNC Press, 2023), religious historian Janiece Johnson analyzes how sensational media attention used the story of the Mountain Meadows Massacre to enflame public sentiment and provoke legal action against Latter-day Saints. Ministers, novelists, entertainers, cartoonists, and federal officials followed suit, spreading anti-Mormon sentiment to collectively convict the Mormon religion itself. This troubling episode in American religious history sheds important light on the role of media and popular culture in provoking religious intolerance that continues to resonate in the present. Joseph Stuart is a scholar of African American history, particularly of the relationship between race, freedom rights, and religion in the twentieth century Black Freedom Movement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/new-books-network
On September 11, 1857, a small band of Mormons led by John D. Lee massacred an emigrant train of men, women, and children heading west at Mountain Meadows, Utah. News of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, as it became known, sent shockwaves through the western frontier of the United States, reaching the nation's capital and eventually crossing the Atlantic. In the years prior to the massacre, Americans dubbed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the "Mormon problem" as it garnered national attention for its "unusual" theocracy and practice of polygamy. In the aftermath of the massacre, many Americans viewed Mormonism as a real religious and physical threat to white civilization. Putting the Mormon Church on trial for its crimes against American purity became more important than prosecuting those responsible for the slaughter. In Convicting the Mormons: The Mountain Meadows Massacre in American Culture (UNC Press, 2023), religious historian Janiece Johnson analyzes how sensational media attention used the story of the Mountain Meadows Massacre to enflame public sentiment and provoke legal action against Latter-day Saints. Ministers, novelists, entertainers, cartoonists, and federal officials followed suit, spreading anti-Mormon sentiment to collectively convict the Mormon religion itself. This troubling episode in American religious history sheds important light on the role of media and popular culture in provoking religious intolerance that continues to resonate in the present. Joseph Stuart is a scholar of African American history, particularly of the relationship between race, freedom rights, and religion in the twentieth century Black Freedom Movement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/american-studies
On September 11, 1857, a small band of Mormons led by John D. Lee massacred an emigrant train of men, women, and children heading west at Mountain Meadows, Utah. News of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, as it became known, sent shockwaves through the western frontier of the United States, reaching the nation's capital and eventually crossing the Atlantic. In the years prior to the massacre, Americans dubbed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the "Mormon problem" as it garnered national attention for its "unusual" theocracy and practice of polygamy. In the aftermath of the massacre, many Americans viewed Mormonism as a real religious and physical threat to white civilization. Putting the Mormon Church on trial for its crimes against American purity became more important than prosecuting those responsible for the slaughter. In Convicting the Mormons: The Mountain Meadows Massacre in American Culture (UNC Press, 2023), religious historian Janiece Johnson analyzes how sensational media attention used the story of the Mountain Meadows Massacre to enflame public sentiment and provoke legal action against Latter-day Saints. Ministers, novelists, entertainers, cartoonists, and federal officials followed suit, spreading anti-Mormon sentiment to collectively convict the Mormon religion itself. This troubling episode in American religious history sheds important light on the role of media and popular culture in provoking religious intolerance that continues to resonate in the present. Joseph Stuart is a scholar of African American history, particularly of the relationship between race, freedom rights, and religion in the twentieth century Black Freedom Movement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/american-west
On September 11, 1857, a small band of Mormons led by John D. Lee massacred an emigrant train of men, women, and children heading west at Mountain Meadows, Utah. News of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, as it became known, sent shockwaves through the western frontier of the United States, reaching the nation's capital and eventually crossing the Atlantic. In the years prior to the massacre, Americans dubbed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the "Mormon problem" as it garnered national attention for its "unusual" theocracy and practice of polygamy. In the aftermath of the massacre, many Americans viewed Mormonism as a real religious and physical threat to white civilization. Putting the Mormon Church on trial for its crimes against American purity became more important than prosecuting those responsible for the slaughter. In Convicting the Mormons: The Mountain Meadows Massacre in American Culture (UNC Press, 2023), religious historian Janiece Johnson analyzes how sensational media attention used the story of the Mountain Meadows Massacre to enflame public sentiment and provoke legal action against Latter-day Saints. Ministers, novelists, entertainers, cartoonists, and federal officials followed suit, spreading anti-Mormon sentiment to collectively convict the Mormon religion itself. This troubling episode in American religious history sheds important light on the role of media and popular culture in provoking religious intolerance that continues to resonate in the present. Joseph Stuart is a scholar of African American history, particularly of the relationship between race, freedom rights, and religion in the twentieth century Black Freedom Movement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/religion
On September 11, 1857, a small band of Mormons led by John D. Lee massacred an emigrant train of men, women, and children heading west at Mountain Meadows, Utah. News of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, as it became known, sent shockwaves through the western frontier of the United States, reaching the nation's capital and eventually crossing the Atlantic. In the years prior to the massacre, Americans dubbed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the "Mormon problem" as it garnered national attention for its "unusual" theocracy and practice of polygamy. In the aftermath of the massacre, many Americans viewed Mormonism as a real religious and physical threat to white civilization. Putting the Mormon Church on trial for its crimes against American purity became more important than prosecuting those responsible for the slaughter. In Convicting the Mormons: The Mountain Meadows Massacre in American Culture (UNC Press, 2023), religious historian Janiece Johnson analyzes how sensational media attention used the story of the Mountain Meadows Massacre to enflame public sentiment and provoke legal action against Latter-day Saints. Ministers, novelists, entertainers, cartoonists, and federal officials followed suit, spreading anti-Mormon sentiment to collectively convict the Mormon religion itself. This troubling episode in American religious history sheds important light on the role of media and popular culture in provoking religious intolerance that continues to resonate in the present. Joseph Stuart is a scholar of African American history, particularly of the relationship between race, freedom rights, and religion in the twentieth century Black Freedom Movement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
On September 11, 1857, a small band of Mormons led by John D. Lee massacred an emigrant train of men, women, and children heading west at Mountain Meadows, Utah. News of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, as it became known, sent shockwaves through the western frontier of the United States, reaching the nation's capital and eventually crossing the Atlantic. In the years prior to the massacre, Americans dubbed the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the "Mormon problem" as it garnered national attention for its "unusual" theocracy and practice of polygamy. In the aftermath of the massacre, many Americans viewed Mormonism as a real religious and physical threat to white civilization. Putting the Mormon Church on trial for its crimes against American purity became more important than prosecuting those responsible for the slaughter. In Convicting the Mormons: The Mountain Meadows Massacre in American Culture (UNC Press, 2023), religious historian Janiece Johnson analyzes how sensational media attention used the story of the Mountain Meadows Massacre to enflame public sentiment and provoke legal action against Latter-day Saints. Ministers, novelists, entertainers, cartoonists, and federal officials followed suit, spreading anti-Mormon sentiment to collectively convict the Mormon religion itself. This troubling episode in American religious history sheds important light on the role of media and popular culture in provoking religious intolerance that continues to resonate in the present. Joseph Stuart is a scholar of African American history, particularly of the relationship between race, freedom rights, and religion in the twentieth century Black Freedom Movement. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/christian-studies
Who bears the most blame for Mountain Meadows Massacre? Barbara Jones Brown & Richard Turley will discuss the roles of Brigham Young, John D Lee, Isaac Haight, William Dame, and others in the massacre. We'll also discuss why it is important to discuss the massacre, and what other projects Barbara & Rick are working on. Check out our conversation.... Sign up to free newsletter at Gospeltangents.com/newsletter to get this free, secret episode. https://youtu.be/cIxbvLL0Euo transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved
"Vengeance is Mine" is the sequel to "Massacre at Mountain Meadows." Rick Turley & Barbara Jones Brown discuss what Juanita Brooks and Will Bagley got wrong in their previous Mountain Meadows book. Barbara & Rick have uncovered new records about John D Lee's 2nd trial that changes the traditional narrative. They have uncovered new trial transcripts that break some of the things that previous authors Will Bagley & Juanita Brooks got wrong. What are these new findings? Check out our conversation.... https://youtu.be/PEvWyNqRBIY transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved
Tonight, JB talks about one of the darkest moments in Utah history. The Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Bruce R McConkie is fomous for advocating that the Catholic Church is the "Great & Abominable Church" mentioned in the Book of Mormon. Is that offensive to Cristina Rosetti, a Catholic? She'll respond to that in our next conversation. We'll also talk about religoius violence from the Crusades to Mountain Meadows. What does she think of that? Is religion in decline, or is it readying for another upswing? Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/q3Hb0jIX9vU transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission
On this episode of Mormonish Podcast, Rebecca and Landon have a wonderful conversation with former law professor and play-wright Debora Threedy. Prior to becoming a law professor at the Univesity of Utah, Debora graduated and worked in theater. During her time in Utah, Debora delved into the hisotry of the region and stories from the past. The events at the Mountain Meadows Massacure on September 11, 1857 made a great impact on her. When she moved to the Mountain Meadows area of Utah she became even more immersed in the history and learned more about Juanita Brooks, a faithful member of the LDS church who was determined to tell the story of that dark chapter in LDS church history. Debora eventually wrote a play delving into the memories of the event itself, the generational impact it continues to have on families, and Juanita Brook's struggle to tell the true story. This wonderful play titled, "Mountain Meadows" was performed in Salt Lake at the beginning of 2023 to sold out audiences. We are very pleased to announce that there is another opportunity to see this absolutely wonderful production again. On Saturday, July 15th at 7:00 pm MT, the Entrata Institute in Torry, Utah will be presenting a readers theater with the original actors from the SLC production. You can reserve free tickets by going to www.entradainstitute.org. Most of our viewer won't be able to attend this event but we are even more excited to announce that the production will be live streamed on Facebook on Saturday, July 15th at 7:00 pm MT so everyone can access it. Find the Entrada Institute on Facebook and you'll be able to join the event. I can't recomment this play more! We appreciate our Mormonish viewers and listeners so much!If you would like to support our podcast, you can DONATE to support Mormonish Podcast here: PayPal: https://paypal.me/BiblioTechMedia?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Venmo: @BiblioTechMedia
Richard E. Turley Jr. was a long-time historian for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Salt Lake City, Utah, and a co-author of Massacre at Mountain Meadows. He is the recipient of numerous awards, including the American... The post Vengeance is Mine Ep. 702 The Cultural Hall appeared first on The Cultural Hall Podcast.
In September of 1857, one of the greatest atrocities in the history of Mormonism was carried out. Now known as the Mountain Meadows Massacre, a group of Latter-day Saints led a siege in Southern Utah against a wagon train of emigrants on their way from Arkansas to California. After the siege had dragged on for several days, and under the guise of a truce, leaders of the Mormon party lured the emigrants out of their protective circle of wagons and marched them a short distance across the valley before turning on them in surprise and slaughtering at least 120 unarmed men, women, and children.The details of this evil are difficult to talk about at all — much less dive deep on — but at the same time, historians Richard E. Turley and Barbara Jones Brown believe that it's important that we confront history, even its most difficult episodes, with as much honesty and depth as we can.Rick has served in many roles at the Church over many years, including as managing director of the Family and Church History Department, and managing director of the Public Affairs Department. Barbara is the director of Signature Books Publishing and former executive director of the Mormon History Association.Together they are the authors of a new book called Vengeance is Mine: The Mountain Meadows Massacre and its Aftermath, which is the second in a two-volume series of exhaustively researched masterworks on the subject. The first book, Massacre at Mountain Meadows, on which Rick was one of the authors and Barbara was a content editor, was published in 2008, and this second volume is the culmination of over 18 years of research, writing, and editing by countless contributors. Though brilliant historians have written about the Massacre before, these books include new research from documents and records that have never before been available.As we spoke with Barbara and Rick, we were struck by not just their comprehensive knowledge of these tragic events, but by the depth of their empathy for the victims, and insights about how knowledge of difficult history can be part of a larger story of healing and reconciliation. They and many others have been important in spearheading efforts in recent years to allow for that healing, including working with the Church itself and organizations of victims' descendants.In fact, Henry B. Eyring credited the work done on the first book in 2007 in an official statement given at the site of the massacre on its sesquicentennial. As part of that statement, he said, “What was done here long ago by members of our Church represents a terrible and inexcusable departure from Christian teaching and conduct. We cannot change what happened, but we can remember and honor those who were killed here…We express profound regret for the massacre carried out in this valley 150 years ago… and for the undue and untold suffering experienced by the victims then and by their relatives to the present time."What we hope for this episode is what we think Barbara and Rick hope for their book: that it can promote the same work of at-one-ment that is at the core of the Gospel by fully acknowledging the sins of the past, actively listening and working toward healing in the present, and looking forward to a future of deep relationship and connection.
“We believe it is our obligation to understand and learn from the past,” Elder Henry B. Eyring, then of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, remarked on Sept. 11, 2007, at an event commemorating the 150th anniversary of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. The massacre is perhaps the grimmest episode in the history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — when brewing tensions between early Church pioneers and immigrants traveling through the Utah Territory erupted, resulting in the death of some 100 people. In 2008, the book “Massacre at Mountain Meadows” explored the complicated history of the 1857 event. The sequel, “Vengeance Is Mine: The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath,” is now available. Authors Richard E. Turley Jr. and Barbara Jones Brown join this episode of the Church News podcast to talk about this period in Church history. The Church News Podcast is a weekly podcast that invites listeners to make a journey of connection with members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints across the globe. Host Sarah Jane Weaver, reporter and editor for The Church News for a quarter-century, shares a unique view of the stories, events, and most important people who form this international faith. With each episode, listeners are asked to embark on a journey to learn from one another and ponder, “What do I know now?” because of the experience. Produced by KellieAnn Halvorsen.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
My friends Richard Turley and Barbara Jones Brown, noted Latter-day Saint historians, join us to talk about their powerful new book about the Mountain Meadows Massacre of an Arkansas wagon train in 1857. Through their extensive research, they answer questions about why it happened, who was responsible, Bigham Young's understanding/involvement, descendants of victims stories/interactions, and reconciliation. I was deeply moved—sometimes to tears—learning about this tragic part of Latter-day Saint history. Understanding and owning our history is key to reconciliation and ensuring the same cycle of fear and extremism isn't repeated. I am so grateful for Rick and Barbara and their work to write this history, connect with the descendants of the victims, and help heal hearts. This book is both a thoughtful academic book and a powerful story of pain, heartache, tragedy, and reconciliation. I encourage everyone to read this book and listen to this podcast. Thank you Rick and Barbara for being on the podcast and your much-needed work in our community. Podcast links: Vengeance is Mine: The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath: www.amazon.com/dp/0195397851 Massacre at Mountain Meadows (earlier book): www.amazon.com/dp/0199747563 E-mail: mmmreconciliation@gmail.com
The infamous and inexcusable Mountain Meadows Massacre lives on as the bloodiest stain on the history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The 2008 book “Massacre at Mountain Meadows” offered modern readers the most complete look to date at the atrocity, when, on Sept. 11, 1857, Mormon settlers deceived a wagon train of emigrants on their way to California through southern Utah and then slaughtered about a hundred men, women and children. Now comes the eagerly anticipated follow-up volume, titled “Vengeance Is Mine: The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath.” On this week's show, co-authors Richard E. Turley and Barbara Jones Brown explain how church leaders in southern Utah tried to cover up the crime, how investigations were thwarted, and how justice was delayed and denied. (In then end, only one perpetrator, John D. Lee, was executed.) They also explore a key Watergate-like question: What did church prophet-president Brigham Young know and when did he know it?
For nearly a century, the murder of 120 emigrants by Mormon militiamen at Mountain Meadows in early September, 1857, existed as little more than whispers around Utah. Then a rural housewife and writer named Juanita Brooks dared to tread where others had long feared to and write the first history of the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Date: July 7, 2022 (Season 5, Episode 7: 75 minutes long). For the entire show notes and additional resources for this episode, click here. Are you interested in other episodes of Speak Your Piece? Click here. The episode was co-produced by Brad Westwood and Chelsey Zamir, with sound engineering and post-production editing by Jason T. Powers, from the Utah State Library Recording Studio.This episode of Speak Your Piece is an interview with Barbara Jones Brown, director of Signature Books, and Richard E. Turley, Jr., former assistant Church Historian of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, on their book Vengeance is Mine: The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath (Oxford University Press), to be released May 30, 2023, with SYP host Brad Westwood. This book is a sequel to the 2008 Massacre at Mountain Meadows (Walker, Leonard and Turley). In Vengeance is Mine, the authors exhaustively cover the motives that led to the massacre at Mountain Meadows of the 120-plus victims, followed by the complex aftermath that includes cover-up attempts with the entirety of the blame placed on the neighboring Paiutes, as well as governmental and political intrigue. Also detailed are the delayed, if not coordinated, efforts to obstruct justice in indicting the nine key individuals involved. For the speakers' bios, please click here for the full show notes plus additional resources and readings. Do you have a question? Write askahistorian@utah.gov.
In the 1850s, Jim Bridger put his extensive knowledge of the West to use by guiding wealthy adventurers, geological surveyors, and the U.S. military. Then, in 1862, the discovery of gold in Montana sparked yet another gold rush, leading thousands of prospectors to illegally trespass on Lakota and Cheyenne land via the Bozeman trail, resulting in violence. The Army intervened and hired Bridger once again as their guide. Additionally covered in this episode is the Mountain Meadows massacre, the Utah War, and the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1851. This is part four in the Jim Bridger series. Links for the previous three installments below. Check out my website for more true tales from the wild and woolly west! https://www.wildwestextra.com/ Email me! https://www.wildwestextra.com/contact/ Buy me a coffee! https://www.buymeacoffee.com/wildwest Free Newsletter! https://wildwestjosh.substack.com/ Join Patreon for bonus content! https://www.patreon.com/wildwestextra Jim Bridger Pt 1 | Ashley's 100 - https://www.wildwestextra.com/jim-bridger-ashleys-100/ Jim Bridger Pt 2 | Bugs Boys - https://www.wildwestextra.com/jim-bridger-bugs-boys/ Jim Bridger Pt 3 | Mormons - https://www.wildwestextra.com/jim-bridger-mormons/ Jim Bridger Trailblazer of the American West | Jerry Enzler - https://www.amazon.com/Jim-Bridger-Trailblazer-American-West/dp/080619197X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=39712IOHTJVTB&keywords=jim+bridger+jerry+enzler&qid=1675001445&s=books&sprefix=jim+bridger+jerry%2Cstripbooks%2C120&sr=1-1 To Be a Rebel | David Loos https://open.spotify.com/show/3MB010NPTevGamVDMF4kqW Listen to Texas History Lessons for Texas History! https://www.texashistorylessons.com/
Before Lot Smith's raid on the Wagon Supplies, conventional wisdom in the Government and the Nation seemed to be that talk of the Latter-day Saints actually resisting the Army was just that – Talk. But when news of the raid finally reached the states, it was shocking. Overnight, Johnston's Army lost roughly half its supplies for the campaign. Johnston and his troops would spend a hungry, freezing winter on half-rations in the ashes of what had once been Fort Bridger – which also had been burned by the Nauvoo Legion to deny shelter to Johnston's troops. But Lot Smith's raid sparked a dangerous escalation of the conflict. A Grand Jury hastily handed down indictments for treason against Church Leaders, raising the grim prospect of death by hanging. Army leaders -- Johnston, McClellan, William T. Sherman, Harney -- all longed for a pitched battle against the Mormons. Latter-day Saints faced danger and new threats from the north (with native tribes turning against them), from the south (with the intrepid Captain Randolph Marcy on the verge of finding a way through Utah's arid red rock desert), and from the west (as California's clamored to raise a force to attack Utah and avenge the murders of the Baker-Francher Wagon Company at Mountain Meadows). On this episode, we explore what easily could have been the most precarious and dangerous moment the Latter-day Saints have ever faced. For the materials and sources in this story, we owe a special thanks to Utah War historian William "Bill" MacKinnon - His two-volume set, "At Sword's Point: A Documentary History of the Utah War to 1858" is an extraordinary resource for anyone interested in learning more about the Utah War. Search Terms: Utah War, William McClellan, "Little Mac", William Tecumseh Sherman, Albert Sidney Johnston, William Selby "Squaw Killer" Harney, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Poerter Rockwell, Civil War, Mormon History, Latter-day Saints, Utah Territory, Polygamy, Plural Marriage, U.S. Army, Fort Bridger, Lot Smith, Salt Lake City, 2LT James Henry Martineau, George Watts, Echo Canyon, Albert Sidney Johnston, Brigham Young, Charlie Becker, James Ferguson, Wild Bill Hickman, Nauvoo Legion, International Latter-day Saints, Immigration, Prisoners, Law of War, Law of Armed Conflict, Russia, British Empire, Alaska, British Colombia.
Referencias: - Artículo en MormonR sobre Under the Banner of Heaven (UBH): https://mormonr.org/qnas/kjcvyc/under_the_banner_of_heavenjon_krakauer_and_dustin_lance_black - MormonR recibe $900K en donaciones: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=b+h+roberts+foundation&state%5Bid%5D=&ntee%5Bid%5D=&c_code%5Bid%5D= - Utah tiene más crímenes violentos y de propiedad que Los Ángeles: https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/salt_lake_city_ut/los_angeles_ca/crime - MormonR y la doctrina de la expiación de sangre: https://mormonr.org/qnas/0vsOHr/blood_atonement_and_capital_punishment#q-idWyzhtJmrnRSgS5k4G6 - El fanatismo religioso por Trump: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/jan-6-hearings-trump-secular-white-christian-nationalism-rcna39157 - El historiador oficial de la Iglesia no es un historiador: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/learn/legrand-r-curtis-jr?lang=eng - Krakauer dice que la Iglesia debería abrir sus archivos históricos: https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-2003-07-20-0307200519-story.html - Boyd K. Packer: Hay que pegarles a los gais: https://www.lds-mormon.com/only-shtml/ - Artículo en BoM Central sobre UBH: https://bookofmormoncentral.org/blog/latter-day-saint-perspectives-on-all-the-hard-topics-tackled-in-under-the-banner-of-heaven - LDS.org, Brigham causó la histeria que llevó a la Masacre de Mountain Meadows: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/mountain-meadows-massacre?lang=spa - Will Bagley: Young ordenó la masacre: https://truewestmagazine.com/article/did-brigham-young-order-a-massacre/ - Libro que menciona el intento de castración de José Smith (p. 202): https://archive.org/details/publicdiscussion00kell/page/202/mode/2up - Diario mormón celebra el intento de asesinato del gobernador Boggs: https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/the-boggs-shooting-and-attempted-extradition-joseph-smiths-most-famous-case/ - Panfleto: El pacificador: https://www.2bc.info/pdf/PeaceMaker.pdf - El autor de El pacificador se bautizó mormón: https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V09N04_23.pdf
What happened at Mountain Meadows is probably one of the worst, most devious ideas a group of Mormon men ever concocted. Besides polygamy, child brides, the Priesthood Ban, LGBTQ+ discriminatory doctrine...Well, it definitely makes it onto the top 10 worst things. Listen in as we discuss the cold blooded murder of 120 Gentiles (Non-mormon men, women and children). Get on in here and join us! Music for the episode: Pixabay Earth Music by Kris --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/sharingreleasesshame/message
HULU's recent mini-series "Under the Banner of Heaven" based on the 2003 Jon Krakauer book with the same title has led to listeners emailing to ask about the accuracy of the book and mini-series. In this episode host Martin Tanner explains how Krakauer in this and prior books leaves out critical facts, paints heroes as bad and suffers from other major flaws. Among them are (1) the misleading idea that Ron and Dan Lafferty are "Mormons" when they were earlier excommunicated and had started their own church; (2) the lie that Lafferty's murdered because they were following the "oath of vengeance" in LDS Temples, when there has never been such an oath; (3) Ron and Dan were influenced by Brigham Young who ordered the massacre at "Mountain Meadows" even though Brigham Young explicitly and in writing did the opposite. Krakauer's methodologies in "Under the Benner of Heaven" on consistently bad, just as in his prior book "Into Thin Air" in which he criticizes a competing Mt. Everest guide who saved all of his hikers, when Krakauer's group suffered the death of eight climbers. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Pastor Peabody seems to be getting nowhere with his Mountain Meadows outreach efforts. Are these walls just too big to get through?
Chaplain Jake helps the Bible come alive for Genet and his class. Meanwhile, the Peabodys undertake a risky mission to Mountain Meadows.
6 de Septiembre de 1906. Nace Luis Federico Leloir. 7 de Septiembre de 1931. Muere Federico Tinoco. 8 de Septiembre de 2019. Muere Camilo Sesto. 9 de Septiembre de 1941. Nace Otis Redding. 10 de Septiembre de 1839. Nace Charles Sanders Peirce. 11 de Septiembre de 1857. Ocurre la Matanza de Mountain Meadows. 12 de Septiembre de 1874. Muere Pierre Guizot.
America's home-spun religion of Mormonism has a bloody past. The founder Joseph Smith was murdered, and the Saints run out of various places they settled. This us-versus-them mentality really fermented in the Great Salt Valley where Brigham Young whipped his flock into a frenzy about interlopers and outsiders. Strange Country cohosts Beth and Kelly talk about how that volatile mx led to some Mormons murdering approximately 120 adults and children heading to California in 1857 in Mountain Meadows, and then blamed it on the Paiute. Theme music: Big White Lie by A Cast of Thousands Cite your sources: Denton, Sally. American Massacre: the Tragedy at Mountain Meadows, September 1857. Vintage Books, 2004. King, Gilbert. “The Aftermath of Mountain Meadows.” Smithsonian.com, Smithsonian Institution, 29 Feb. 2012, www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-aftermath-of-mountain-meadows-110735627/. Krakauer, Jon. “For Water Will Not Do.” Under the Banner of Heaven , Anchor Books, 2003, pp. 211–227. Moore, Carrie. “LDS Church Issues Apology over Mountain Meadows.” Deseret News, Deseret News, 12 Sept. 2007, www.deseret.com/2007/9/12/20040883/lds-church-issues-apology-over-mountain-meadows#flags-wave-at-the-event-marking-the-150th-anniversary-of-the-mountain-meadows-massacre-at-the-memorial-site-near-enterprise. Smith, Christopher. “Unearthing Mountain Meadows Secrets: Backhoe at a S. Utah Killing Field Rips Open 142-Year-Old Wound.” Mountain Meadows Massacre (CESNUR), The Salt Lake Tribune, 14 Mar. 2000, www.cesnur.org/testi/morm_01.htm.
Richard Turley’s book “Massacre at Mountain Meadows” was published in 2011. The book ends at the massacre in 1857. He and Barbara Jones Brown are writing the latest installment of the tragedy and this time they will focus on the trials of John D. Lee and aftermath. Barbara and Rick sat down as part of […] The post Turley on Mountain Meadows Massacre (Part 2 of 5) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.
Join us with your favorite pinot noir, or beverage of choice, while explore the horrible historical events that occurred at the Mountain Meadows, Utah. What we are drinking: SHUG Pinot Noir; Centerpiece Red Blend --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/rouge45/support
It took 18 years to start the first trial of John D. Lee for the atrocities at Mountain Meadows. Why did it take so long? Historian Will Bagley believes LDS Church leaders covered up the crime. How does he come to that conclusion? Will: But, what I’m saying is that the event that Wilford Woodruff […] The post MMM Cover Up appeared first on Gospel Tangents.
Following Will Bagley’s 2002 release of Blood of the Prophets, Richard Turley published Massacre at Mountain Meadows in 2008, as well as some collected legal records in 2017. I asked historian Will Bagley his impression of Turley’s work, and was surprised by his reaction. GT: Should we get your opinion of that book [Massacre at […] The post Bagley Critiques Turley (Part 4 of 9) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.
When assigning blame for the Mountain Meadows Massacre, two figures who played a prominent role in raising tensions often don’t get talked about as much as others: President James Buchanan, and apostle George A. Smith. Will Bagley tells how these two men created the environment which allowed a massacre to take place at Mountain Meadows. […] The post Pres. Buchanan & George Smith’s Role in MMM (Part 3 of 9) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.
We made it to September! Lithium Jubilee celebrates this incredibly low bar by finding some fun September Victorian era events. (Spoiler Alert: The events are not fun.) Jon coaxes us to join him in the Mountain Meadows, all to lay hundreds of bodies at our feet. Erin introduces you to Emma Nutt and the cruel, sadistic practices related to her job as a...telephone operator? We’ve got surprises in store! Not good surprises, but surprises.
The story of the siege and massacre of approximately 120 California bound immigrants by Mormon settlers and Paiute Indians at Mountain Meadows (Washington County, 38 m. northwest of St. George) on September 11, 1857 is perhaps the second most well-known story in all of Utah's history behind only the epic story of the 1847 Mormon Pioneers. The massacred were hastily and incompletely buried after this horrendous event. Two years later in 1859 U.S. Army troops led by Major James H. Carleton, gathered the exposed remains and interred them in two mass graves. The finding of these graves in 2014 by Bassett is the focus of this Speak Your Piece interview. Guest Bio: Everett Bassett is a principal archeologist for Transcon Environmental, Inc., an environmental planning firm, with expertise in the pursuit of developing infrastructure for energy, communications, and mining. Previously Bassett worked as contact archeologist for a firm doing extensive work for the Utah Division of Oil, Gas and Mining. He has degrees in biology, history and anthropology. As a young man Bassett worked as a logger and served in the United States Merchant Marines.
The story of the siege and massacre of approximately 120 California bound immigrants by Mormon settlers and Paiute Indians at Mountain Meadows (Washington County, 38 miles northwest of St. George) on September 11, 1857 is perhaps the second most well-known story in all of Utah's history behind only the epic story of the 1847 Mormon Pioneers. The massacred were hastily and incompletely buried after this horrendous event. Two years later in 1859 U.S. Army troops led by Major James H. Carleton, gathered the exposed remains and interred them in two mass graves. The finding of these graves in 2014 by Bassett, is the focus of this Speak Your Piece interview. Guest Bio: Everett Bassett is a principal archeologist for Transcon Environmental, Inc., an environmental planning firm, with expertise in the pursuit of developing infrastructure for energy, communications, and mining. Previously Bassett worked as contact archeologist for a firm doing extensive work for the Utah Division of Oil, Gas and Mining. He has degrees in biology, history and anthropology. As a young man Bassett worked as a logger and served in the United States Merchant Marines.
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Richard E. Turley Jr. retired recently after nearly 30 years working for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, most of that time in the History and Family History departments. He has co-written or penned several books, including the acclaimed “Massacre at Mountain Meadows: An American Tragedy” and “Victims: The LDS Church and the Mark Hofmann Case.” Most recently, he served as the managing director of the faith’s Public Affairs Department. He reflects this week on his career, the highs, the lows, the memories and the milestones.
In this episode we talk about the mountain meadows massacre. An event that happened on September 11, 1857. As a wagon train was making their way from Missouri and Arkansas to California, they stopped in Mormom run Utah for supplies. Tensions grew as the mormon settlers believed the travelers to have sinister motives, eventually leading to a very violent massacre. We also talk about racism in the Book of Mormon. As always we are not experts, we just google this stuff. Hosted by Trevor Poelman and Damien Doepping For more info and our references check out https://beliefitornot.wordpress.com/ Also follow us on twitter @beliefitornot, instagram @beliefitornotpodcast, or facebook https://www.facebook.com/beliefitornot/ Or email beliefitornotpodcast@gmail.com Support Belief It Or Not Brought to you By: The Sonar Network
There is dispute among historians about Brigham Young's knowledge about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Is it true Brigham knew in Sept 1857? Did John D. Lee tell him the truth about the massacre? https://youtu.be/45dNVT_8aS4 Mel: Well, Brigham Young argued that he didn't know the story for a long time after. I agree with Will Bagley and others that John D. Lee did not lie to Young and that Jacob Hamblin told him the truth within two weeks. Hamblin is reciting second hand what the killers had told him. GT: Because I know Barbara said that John D. Lee went up, I want to say September 29 to Salt Lake to talk to Brigham and Barbara says that John D. Lee lied and blamed it on the Indians. Mel: That has been one of the standards of protection for President Young for a very long time, that John D. Lee lied. GT: Okay, so you're saying that Will Bagley believes that John D. Lee told Brigham the truth right from the get go? Mel: And I do, too. GT: You do, too. Mel: And some other historians do. Jacob Hamblin was up there within 10 or 11 days. And I can imagine... GT : Well, Jacob wasn't part of the massacre. Mel : No, he was not. He would be repeating what he heard second hand. But everybody lived in everybody's hip pocket down there. You know, we have this idea that Dixie is this vast place, which it is, that takes forever for people and information to travel. No. On horseback from what is now Panguitch, or say, Circleville, the fort there is no more than a two-day travel down to Santa Clara. Native Americans, Mormons, other whites, Mexicans, and what they know are moving through this area all the time. It's fluid, it's constant. Historian Mel Johnson tells us what he thinks, and discusses pioneer John Hawley's possible involvement, and his vocal disagreement, with the massacre. Mel: Medical forensics work showed that there were a number of pistol holes in the skeletons and skulls of men, women and children. The only two revolvers that I can find in the Iron County Militia Musters: men who owned revolvers that were thought to be at the killing fields was Indian missionary Ira Hatch and John Pierce Hawley. Check out our conversation…. Historian Mel Johnson believes John D. Lee told Brigham Young the truth about the Mountain Meadows massacre. (Others think Lee lied.) Don't miss other other conversations with Mel! 279: Hawley's Opposition to MMM 278: Mormon Pioneers in Texas & End of Wightites 277: More on the Zodiac Temple in Texas 276: Lyman Wight & Mormon Colonies in Texas 275: Intro to Hawley
John Pierce Hawley rode with the Fancher-Baker party through Utah for a short time. https://youtu.be/qkSvk8-L-FE Mel: On the way back, the Hawleys end up riding along for about a week with the Fancher-Baker wagon immigrant train, and then they go on their way. GT: So they got on their way before they got to the Mountain Meadows, Mel: Yes. GT: Good thing for them. Mel: Well, they still met up again. John says that he was very opposed to the plans to wipe out the train. GT: So he was aware of these plans? Mel: Early on [he was aware]. He was part of the men that were called out. GT: So part of the Nauvoo Legion? Mel: Well, it wasn't the Legion, though they were Legion members. Notice the units were not called out. They were called out by priesthood relationship, and family relationships. Look at the number of brothers, uncles, nephews, cousins, that are among those 50 men. You don't have a pattern, a militia organization. You have a pattern of family and relationships, and that makes sense. Was his pistol used in this atrocious crime? Mel: Several Masonic Mormon scholars have suggested that John D. Lee gave Masonic signs and promises that the immigrants would be protected. Whatever. They were lured out and we have all read the stories of the massacre. The only small thing other than John Hawley's story that I've come up with would have been... GT: Because you said the John Hawley was involved in the planning? Mel: No, no, not at all. Let me finish this, then we'll go to John Hawley. Medical forensics work showed that there were a number of pistol holes in the skeletons and skulls of men, women and children. The only two revolvers that I can find in the Iron County Militia Musters: men who owned revolvers that were thought to be at the killing fields was Indian missionary Ira Hatch and John Pierce Hawley. Mel: Now Hawley says that he did not approve. Hawley says he was not there. But his brother, George, was there. His brother, William, was there and at least one, if not both, actively participated. Maybe George or William borrowed John's pistol. I don't know. But, also, there's another possibility for those pistol shots. Maybe revolvers were removed from the possession of the immigrants and then used against them. But, there's indication that John could have been there. John D. Lee said John was there. Historian Mel Johnson tells us that Hawley was a vocal critic of the crime. Check out our conversation…. John P. Hawley was opposed to the Mountain Meadows Massacre, but was his pistol used in the crime? Don't miss our previous conversations! 278: Mormon Pioneers in Texas & End of Wightites 277: More on the Zodiac Temple in Texas 276: Lyman Wight & Mormon Colonies in Texas 275: Intro to Hawley
While it seems likely that Brigham Young was initially lied to about the Mountain Meadows Massacre, at what point did he learn that Mormons were involved? https://youtu.be/xpuPLChFDEw Turley: Well, basically Brigham Young knew that he had received a letter from Isaac Haight. Again, this is a story that you'll see in our book. He knew he had a letter from Isaac Haight midweek in the massacre, basically saying that the immigrants were under attack at the Mountain Meadows. He sent a letter back saying, "Let them go." Then he got word that they had been attacked and massacred. So, the natural question he would have on his mind when he gets his first visitor from the south is what happened? What happened here? The story that he got, which we detail in the book, is a story of an all-Indian massacre. GT: And that was from John D. Lee, correct? Turley: It was from John D. Lee. That's right. GT: John blamed it all on the Indians. Turley Yep. And he does it in such a way that he attempts to foist a burden of guilt on Brigham Young for his Indian policy, which was: get Indians to align with us in the Utah War, to be enemies against the Mericats,[1] the Americans. So, the way John D. Lee told the story led Brigham Young to believe: "My policy has contributed to spilling the blood of innocent people on Utah soil." GT: So you're saying that when John D. Lee came up to tell Brigham about the massacre, he's essentially saying, "Brigham, this is your fault, because you're trying to align with the Indians?" Turley: Yeah. GT: That's interesting. Turley: It wouldn't have been that crass, but that's essentially what he was trying to do. [1] Mericats was the word Indians used for Americans. What did he try to do about it? Turley: By the middle of 1859, he was very convinced that there was disturbing information about members of the church being involved. He was telling them at the time, "Look, if you had something to do with this, you're not going to be protected. Get yourselves ready to go to trial." I think he was very much in hopes that trials would occur. People said that he wanted to have those trials in probate courts that were operated by local bishops. Ultimately, he comes to the conclusion that the best way to resolve this is have it be done in the territorial courts, the federal courts, if you want to call them that. Unfortunately, for the reasons that we described in the book, it didn't happen, and those are political reasons. This is available only to newsletter subscribers, so please sign up for our newsletter to get a secret link. Go to www.gospeltangents.com/newsletter to sign up! Richard Turley describes how Brigham Young learned about the massacre. Don't miss out other conversations with Richard Turley. 268: Federal Investigation into MMM (Turley) 267: Was John D. Lee Most Guilty? (Turley) 266: Richard Turley on Saints… & Sinners (Turley)
When the Fancher-Baker Party did not make it to California, news traveled fast. Congress asked federal investigators to find out what happened in Mountain Meadows. Was it an all-Indian attack, or were Mormons involved? https://youtu.be/0joVDJU9A30 Turley: But the word made it quickly to California and then quickly to the eastern United States. So, people knew that their loved ones were killed or missing in late 1857 and early 1858, so it didn't take long at all. At that point people in Arkansas, whose relatives were killed began to write to their congressional representatives saying, "We need to do something about this." It wasn't long before officials in Washington were demanding that something occur as well. So, they were sending orders with their people who were headed west with the Utah expedition telling them that they needed to do something about the massacre. GT: Okay. So, because, if I remember right, didn't it take about 10 years before they brought anybody up for trial? Or what was the time frame before they actually brought legal action? Turley: So the Utah War ended in 1858, and before it ended, there was not anything done. In 1858, when the federal judges arrived, one of the federal judges, John Cradlebaugh, became responsible for that portion of the territory of Utah that included the South. So in 1859, in March, he convened a court and as part of that court had a grand jury, and he wanted the grand jury at that point to indict those who he felt were responsible for the massacre. Without spilling a lot of the details of what's going to be in our second volume, I'll tell you that that was a complicated event. We explained in there exactly what happens during this trial. By the time you get to the middle of 1859, Church leaders are also concerned about what they're hearing, and so they want to have some type of judicial proceeding as well. But for reasons, again, that we explain in our book, based on evidence no one's ever seen before, that doesn't work out. Then we get to the Civil War. After the Civil War, we get judges back in Utah, who are turning their attention to this crime again. So then in 1874, you finally have your first indictments, and then two trials of John D. Lee: one in 1875, and in 1876. Check out our conversation…. News of the massacre traveled fast, but the first trial of John D. Lee happened in 1875, following the 1857 massacre. Don't forget to see our previous conversations with Richard Turley. 267: Was John D. Lee Most Guilty? (Turley) 266: Richard Turley on Saints… & Sinners (Turley)
Richard Turley is not only an amazing historian but is Director of Public Affairs for the LDS Church. In our next conversation, we'll get acquainted with him and learn about a few of the books he has written, including the recent release of Saints: The Standard of Truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkYkh3SSjHY Turley: So Saints, the story of The Church of Jesus Christ in the Latter-days, is the first multi-volume history of the church produced officially since B.H. Roberts' comprehensive history, which was compiled from a series of journal articles that he wrote and published as a set in 1930 as part of the church's centennial. Saints is a four-volume work that breaks the history of the church up into four time periods: 1815 to 1846, and then from there until 1893, and then from there until the mid-1950s. Then from that point to the present day. It is a history that is written in narrative style. So, unlike a lot of histories which was just somewhat expository, this one is narrative, which means it's deliberately intended to be engaging to the reader. The content is extraordinarily accurate history that's been source checked repeatedly. You can find the sources in the back of the book. But it's also written in a very engaging style. So, it has already become, by perhaps an order of magnitude, the single most read history in the history of the church. GT : Well, it's sold out too. Do you know that? Turley: We give it away electronically, and we've had a vast number of downloads. We've also had a vast number of chapter views. So, we know that we have over a million people reading it right now. GT : Well, I tried to get it for my mom for Christmas, and it was sold out, and I was like, "Are you kidding me?" Turley: Well, it's remarkable. Volume 1 is remarkable, and the other volumes will appear in succession. I encourage everyone to read it. We also talk about his past and future books on the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Turley: So when my co-authors and I were writing Massacre at Mountain Meadows, we gathered a lot of information. In fact, we ended up with more than 50 linear feet of files that we had collected from 31 states in the United States and the District of Columbia. I include in that the National Archives on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC, the National Archives in Maryland, what we sometimes call Archives Two and the Denver facility for the National Archives. So, we had a lot of information. The information that we gathered included historical documents, legal documents. The legal documents were particularly important, because no one had ever really examined the case from that perspective before and I, having a legal background, was particularly interested in doing that. So, working with the Janiece Johnson and LaJean Purcell Carruth, who is a shorthand transcriber, we put together these two volumes, and then an associated website that has on it thousands of additional pages of information. These volumes gave you the perspective from a legal standpoint of the Mountain Meadows case, including information related to the nine people who were formally indicted for the massacre. Check out our conversation... Richard Turley is not only an amazing historian but is Director of Public Affairs for the LDS Church. Check out our other conversations about the Mountain Meadows Massacre with Rick's co-author, Barbara Jones Brown. 261: Who Bears Responsibility for MMM? (Jones Brown) 260: After the Killing (Jones Brown) 259: Cattle Rustling Turns Deadly (Jones Brown) 258: Tackling Myths of Mountain Meadows (Jones Brown) 257: Revenge for Haun's Mill & Pratt's Murder? (Jones Brown) 256: Utah War & Mountain Meadows Massacre (Jones Brown)
In our final conversation with Barbara Jones Brown, we'll talk about who was most culpable for the massacre. Was it John D. Lee, Brigham Young, or militia leaders in Iron County? https://youtu.be/D3tCgrl_Jes Barbara: [Brigham Young] starts to come to believe that John D Lee and Isaac Haight we're involved. Now at this time, he doesn't have civil authority. He just has church authority, right? Because he's not the governor anymore. And so, he excommunicates John D. Lee and Isaac Haight, eventually. GT: Would it be safe to say that those were the two most responsible people for the massacre? Barbara: I think William Dame is also responsible because he gave the final okay to go ahead and carry it out as Iron County militia commander. Phillip Klingensmith was clearly very much involved and clearly received much of the spoils. We know from a clerk of Phillip Klingensmith that he was pilfering tithing funds and stealing from the people long before the massacre. But is Brigham Young completely blameless? Barbara: I agree with Juanita Brooks' conclusion that his rhetoric before the massacre was very dangerous. You know, privately he was writing and saying, "I don't want any bloodshed in this conflict." But he was definitely whipping people up into a state of hysteria. ... GT: Would Brigham Young be an accessory to that with his rhetoric? Barbara: I don't think he's an accessory to the crime. I look at President Donald Trump today and some of his rhetoric that he uses. Did he tell people to do what happened at Charlottesville? No. But did his rhetoric make people think it was okay to do what they did? Did some people think it was okay to do what they did at Charlottesville? Probably. So, would you call Trump an accessory to any crime? Would you call Trump an accessory to the crime that occurred at Charlottesville when you had one of these people drive a car into protesters? No. I wouldn't call Trump an accessory to that crime. No. But did his rhetoric encourage some people to think that was okay? Possibly. Check out our conversation…. Are there others responsible for the deaths at Mountain Meadows? Check out our other episodes with Barbara! 260: After the Killing (Jones Brown) 259: Cattle Rustling Turns Deadly (Jones Brown) 258: Tackling Myths of Mountain Meadows (Jones Brown) 257: Revenge for Haun's Mill & Pratt's Murder? (Jones Brown) 256: Utah War & Mountain Meadows Massacre (Jones Brown)
The day after approximately 100 immigrants from Arkansas were killed, Mormon leaders in Iron County got together to discuss how to explain the deaths. Barbara Jones Brown tells how leaders dealt with Brigham Young's message to leave the immigrants alone, and how they decided to blame the Indians for the atrocity. https://youtu.be/k6qs7z-vZxg Barbara: On the day after the massacre Haight and Dame arrive at the Mountain Meadows to see what's happened, what's been done. Lee and Klingensmith are already there because they were major participants in the killings, in the atrocity. They come and then Lee talks about watching Haight and Dame argue over who's to blame for this as they see the horrible, butchering, just the horrible, butchered bodies lying all across the meadows, including all of the women and children. Dame says, "We have to report this." And Haight says, "How? As an Indian massacre?" And Dame says, " I'm not sure I would report it just as that, because Dame knows he's ordered out the Iron County militiamen to do this. Isaac [Haight] says, "You have to report it as an Indian massacre or you'll implicate yourself." Dame says, "Isaac, I didn't think there were so many of them. You told me that most of them were already dead, that there were just a few more witnesses that had to be killed." Haight yells at him and says, "If you blame this whole thing on me, I will follow you to hell to make sure you pay for it," basically. So there's just this horrible argument going on the day after. So, Lee gets back to Fort Harmony and starts bragging to his congregation about what he's done. He's proud of it. A letter from Brigham Young arrives on September 13th, two days later. It arrives in Cedar City telling Isaac Haight, "The Indians will do as they please, but you must not meddle with the immigrants. If those who are there will go, let them go in peace." Isaac Haight receives that letter and says, "Too late, too late." So he forwards that message to Harmony and also to Washington. The same thing happened in Washington. The militiamen returned to Washington and they're bragging about what they've done. They're proud of it, until that message arrives, that Brigham Young had said, "No. Let them go in peace." So Haight calls Lee to him in Cedar City and says, "We're in a muddle." He says, "You need to go report this to Brigham Young and take as much of the blame for it as you can." So Lee says, "Why don't you just tell him you're the [leader.]" He [Haight] says, "Well, you could tell him better than I." So he sends Lee north to report the massacre to Brigham Young. And so the blame game begins. Check out our conversation…. What Happened after the Killing at Mountain Meadows? Don't miss our other conversations with Barbara! 259: Cattle Rustling Turns Deadly (Jones Brown) 258: Tackling Myths of Mountain Meadows (Jones Brown) 257: Revenge for Haun's Mill & Pratt's Murder? (Jones Brown) 256: Utah War & Mountain Meadows Massacre (Jones Brown)
What precipitated the Mountain Meadows Massacre? In my conversation with Barbara Jones Brown, I learned something very interesting. It turns out that Mormons were stealing cattle from California-bound immigrants! Was this part of Brigham Young's strategy to send a message to Washington that immigration was unsafe? It seems that Brigham Young was encouraging Mormons (and Indians) to steal immigrant cattle! Barbara tells about another raid on immigrant cattle at the same time the Mountain Meadows Massacre happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbmO9UOf_PI Barbara: We can't say for sure who did it. We don't know. That's all we have is this account from those immigrants on the northern route. But it takes place on September 8, 1857. They said, "It was clear they did not intend to kill anyone. It was clear they just intended to run off our cattle." That's exactly what happens with this other train. They have their cattle run off. They're strung out on the road and it's in the dark at night-time and they're in a ravine, a large wash. The Moapa Indians, led by five or six Mormon interpreters run off their cattle, and then the train goes on and makes it to California, to San Bernardino. That happens right after this other one. No one is killed. GT: Mormons have a history of cattle rustling it sounds like. Barbara: Well again, this was Brigham Young's strategy. His war strategy was to try and convince the federal government that if the government removed him as Indian Superintendent and Governor of Utah and ran the Mormons out, this is what would happen, that immigration would be no longer safe. GT: This is kind of his strategy, and so he's making it not safe, essentially. Barbara: Yeah. He's encouraging this cattle raiding. In all of the sources in which the cattle raiding is encouraged, you don't see any evidence of any killing to be encouraged at all, just to have the cattle raided. GT: So why do you think the killing happened in Mountain Meadows? Check out our conversation! Brigham Young encouraged Mormons (and Indians) to steal cattle from immigrants crossing through Utah. Don't miss our other episodes with Barbara! 258: Tackling Myths of Mountain Meadows (Jones Brown) 257: Revenge for Haun's Mill & Pratt's Murder? (Jones Brown) 256: Utah War & Mountain Meadows Massacre (Jones Brown)
There are still a lot of myths surrounding the Massacre at Mountain Meadows. How many were killed? Historian Barbara Jones Brown says it could be a few dozen lower than original estimates. https://youtu.be/qCENNRBC2uE Barbara: You know what's really interesting about that number is that number comes from Jacob Hamblin who buries the bodies later....He tells federal army officials, federal officials, that it was 120, and then they go with that number. What's interesting is the earliest sources, the earliest body counts, put the number at 95, 96, which surprised me when started getting into those earliest primary sources because I said, "No, it's supposed to be 120." So then I just thought, "Well, where does this number come from?" I looked at all of the sources and they are what I just described to you. So the earliest body counts say about 95 or 96. The number of people who've been identified in the train is about the same. It's about that. GT: So, it might not be as bad as we thought. Barbara: It is as bad as we thought. Even if one person, a massacre [is bad.] GT: That's true. Barbara: Yeah. I mean 95, 120--either way. It still is as bad as we thought. GT: It's terrible. Were children under age 8 spared due to Mormon theology? Barbara Jones Brown will give us some of the latest information surrounding the massacre, and it likely is different than you've heard. GT: The other question I wanted to ask, so you said that the oldest child that lived was six? I know that there's some Mormon theology. Why six years old? Barbara: So the non-Mormon attorneys that investigated and talk about it later. It says, "Because they were too young to give evidence in court." GT: Oh really? Oh, I always thought it was because children under eight are not capable of sin. Barbara: That theory came much later. GT: Oh, okay. Barbara: It's a modern theory. It doesn't hold up because babies were killed. Some babies were killed in the massacre and seven year-olds were killed. Again, the oldest survivor was six. So, what all of the perpetrators said was they were too young to tell tales. Again, there's a federal district judge named John Cradlebaugh, and he says they were spared because they were too young to give evidence in court. GT: Okay. So it was a legal issue. It wasn't a theological issue. Barbara: That's what the historical sources say. Yeah. I can't find a single historical source that says, "Oh, we're not going to kill them because they're not eight yet." There's not a single historical source that says that. Find out what other myths Barbara can dispel! Check out our conversation…. Public Domain photo of painting from 1800s of Mountain Meadows. Here are our other conversations with Barbara: 257: Revenge for Haun's Mill & Pratt's Murder? (Jones Brown) 256: Utah War & Mountain Meadows Massacre (Jones Brown)
20 years before the Mountain Meadows Massacre, 17 Mormons were killed in Haun's Mill, Missouri. And just four months earlier, Parley P. Pratt, a beloved Mormon apostle was killed May 13, 1857 in Arkansas. Just a few months after Pratt's death, around 100 immigrants from Arkansas were killed. Is it true that Mormons sought revenge for the Haun's Mill and Pratt's murder? Barbara Jones Brown will answer that question. https://youtu.be/rv0GJLgAU5I Barbara: So I looked at that theory and all I can find is proximate cause, meaning, so okay, this happened in Arkansas, therefore these people were from Arkansas, therefore that must be the reason. But when I looked at it, I don't think that was the motive. I think these other things that I've been talking about were the motive. Here are my reasons. Quite a lot of the perpetrators eventually come out and say why this happened as well as local people. They give a whole slew of motives and reasons for why this happened. Not one of them ever said that Parley P. Pratt's murder was a motive. GT: Hmm. That's among the principal people that were involved. Barbara: Yeah. Anyone. Anyone. You can't find a single Mormon that ever said that. GT: So, do you think that's overplayed then? Barbara: I do. Were you surprised to hear Brown downplay Pratt and Haun's Mill in the Mountain Meadows Massacre? Check out our conversation…. Barbara Jones Brown disputes the idea that Mountain Meadows was revenge for Haun's Mill or Parley Pratt's murder. Don't miss our other episodes about the massacre. 256: Utah War & Mountain Meadows Massacre (Jones-Brown) 194: What is the Dead Lee Scroll? (Mayfield) 193: John D. Lee's Role in Mountain Meadows Massacre (Mayfield) 074: CSI: Mountain Meadows – Using DNA to Solve 2 Mysteries (Perego)
On this episode, we chat with Melvin C. Johnson, author of Life and Times of John Pierce Hawley: A Mormon Ulysses of the American West. We discuss Hawley's following Lyman Wight to the Mormon colony in TX, his conversion to Brigham Young's LDS Church in Utah, accusations of John's involvement with the massacre at Mountain Meadows, John's eventual split with the Utah church over polygamy, Brigham Young's Adam-God doctrine, and blood atonement, his joining the RLDS Church and later testimony at the Temple Lot trial. “An essential read for those interested in studying the competing strands of the Mormon Restoration movement in mid-nineteenth-century frontier America.”—Richard E. Bennett, Professor, Church History and Doctrine, Brigham Young University Listen through your podcast app by searching for the Greg Kofford Books Authorcast, or watch this interview on YouTube at youtube.com/gkbooks. Q&A with the author Free Sample Preview Life and Times of John Pierce Hawley: A Mormon Ulysses of the American WestBy Melvin C. Johnson$24.95 paperback$34.95 hardcover228 pages Download Subscribe in Pocket Casts
Después de que un grupo de mormones en el sur de Utah asesinaron a sangre fría a 120 personas inocentes, la iglesia tuvo que lidiar con las consecuencias de tal atrocidad por décadas. Esta es la historia. Puede leer el ensayo en el blog de Pesquisas Mormonas cliqueando aquí. Apoye a Pesquisas Mormonas en http://patreon.com/pesquisasmormonas o en http://www.paypal.me/pesquisasmormonas. Gracias!
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September 11, 1857 was the largest mass-murder in American history. Over 100 immigrants from Arkansas were killed in southern Utah. John D. Lee was the only person executed for this atrocity. In our conversation with Steve Mayfield, we'll talk more about Lee's involvement in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. https://youtu.be/VCtObMKj7PQ GT: So as I understand it from what I understand what the Mountain Meadows Massacre, there's a lot of tensions going on. John D. Lee kind of spurs the Indians to attack, says it's going to be an easy target, but it's not an easy target. And so, they surround themselves. So, John D. Lee and William Dame and Klingonsmith and Higbee, they're kind of the leaders of this whole thing. So, they come out and they say, "Well, if you'll turn over your weapons we will save you from the Indians." Steve: Yeah. GT: So as I understand it, every Mormon man had a gun. [Each Mormon] was walking each man from the Fancher Party out. And then the women and children were kind of in the back and somebody gave a signal. Was it Lee that gave the signal? Steve: I can't remember. GT: There was something to the effect of "Do your duty," and then every Mormon man turned to the Fancher [Party] and shot and killed them. And then they left the women and children to be attacked by the Indians. Steve: Yeah. Again, you've got so many different stories and the fact is I think they realized, whoops. Because when they reported back to Brigham in Salt Lake, what happened is not what they actually did. You know, they, they kind of lied to Brigham. GT: Because Lee was one of the people that went to Brigham and told him what happened. But he lied about it. Steve: Yeah. One of the interesting things is that supposedly the church or the church leaders trying to hide this. But I saw an article in New York Times two months later, before the end of the year, were talking about this massacre of white people done in southern Utah. I mean, it's not like we have instant news today. But it was very quick when this started going around and when the government comes and then they to look into it. And again, the Johnston's army there and all the government investigation. Here comes Mountain Meadows in the middle of it. Now of course, you know Brigham kind of telling John D. Lee to take off and hide because they were trying to find him. And of course, it was 20 years later when they [try him.] GT: Ok, let's make sure we've got those details there. So, Lee participates in the massacre. Of course, he wasn't the only person that was in the massacre. Check out our conversation, as well as our other segments on Mormons & Crime! John D. Lee was the only person executed for involvement in the Mountain Meadows Massacre, Sept 11, 1857. 192: Mormons & the FBI 191: Steve Mayfield: Crime Photographer 190: Mormon Connection in Patty Hearst Kidnapping
Richard E. Turley is the managing director of the Church Public Affairs Department. He was previously an assistant church historian, recorder, and the managing director of the Church History Department. He has written extensively on the Mountain Meadows Massacre including Massacre at Mountain Meadows with Glen Leonard and Ronald Walker and the recently released Mountain Meadows Massacre: Collected Legal Papers with co-editors Janiece Johnson and LaJean Carruth. In this episode, he discusses with Laura Harris Hales the aftermath of the terrible massacre at Mountain Meadows. Extra Resources: Episode 66 Transcript Mountain Meadows Massacre (Website) Peace and Violence among 19th Century Latter-Day Saints The Mountain Meadows Massacre Massacre at Mountain Meadows Mountain Meadows Massacre: Collected Legal Papers BYU Studies 47:3; Special Issue on the Mountain Meadows Massacre
Richard E. Turley is the managing director of the Church Public Affairs Department. He was previously an assistant church historian, recorder, and the managing director of the Church History Department. He has written extensively on the Mountain Meadows Massacre including Massacre at Mountain Meadows with Glen Leonard and Ronald Walker and the recently released Mountain Meadows Massacre: Collected Legal Papers with co-editors Janiece Johnson and LaJean Carruth. In this episode, he discusses with Laura Harris Hales the aftermath of the terrible massacre at Mountain Meadows. Download Transcript
[paypal-donation] Many of you remember the dark day of September 11, 2001 when Muslim terrorists attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. It was a dark day in U.S. history. 160 years ago this September 11th is another dark day in Mormon history as Mormon settlers in southern Utah attacked and killed 120 men, women, and children known as the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Can DNA help solve the Mountain Meadows Massacre? Mountain Meadows Massacre It turns out that there has been some DNA tests done to answer some questions about that horrific incident. It's a pretty interesting conversation. Dr. Ugo Perego will introduce a little bit of the massacre, and talk about his tests to answer questions about the DNA of certain people in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Ugo: The claim was out of this party of 120 people that left Arkansas and were moving to California as they went through the Salt Lake Valley and then down all the way through Fillmore and Cedar City and out into the Mountain Meadows area. After the ambush was done by local Mormons, local people that lived in the area and Native [American]s, there were 120 people that were exterminated. They were all killed except children age 8 or younger. But the number of those children that were spared has never really been confirmed. That was some early sources. The first sources say 17, but soon that number became 18, and most documents and books that have been written on the subject carry on with this 18 number. Why is this important? ... The records said that only 17 of these 18 children were identified and returned to relatives in Arkansas. So who was the 18th child? What happened to this child? Who was it? As years went by there had been rumors that one of these children was the oldest daughter of Bishop Klingonsmith who was involved with the massacre. He's there. GT: So the daughter was essentially adopted by Bishop Klingonsmith. Ugo: That's what the claim was. The 18th child was the one that was not returned. So it's making something bad into something worse because now you have a child that doesn't belong to you. Give it back to the family, right? So there were all these controversies surrounding [the incident.] The people involved have already been dead. Bishop Klingonsmith has been dead. The daughter died. So what we have are people in this century in this past 150 years trying to collect information and putting pieces together. So what we have is rumors that the child, Priscilla was her name which by the way the massacre took place as you say on September 11, 1857. Priscilla was born in 1855 which placed her at the age group of two being one of the children that could have been spared. So we have her born in 1855, Bishop Klingonsmith being involved with the massacre, being there so he could be one of the people that took a child in, and there is no birth certificate for this girl, nowhere to be found. Listen to find out what the results of the test were. DNA Test #2 But that's not the only question Dr. Perego answered. Locals claim, and that's what's in the record, the party that was going through poisoned the springs which caused some of the animals to die in an attempt to actually kill the people there. Now this is absurd because to put poison in a spring, which is running water to the extent that it the poison stayed there, you need a tremendous amount. At that time there was folk magic, these ideas that things can actually happen without being able to test the possibility that you can actually do something like that. But the problem was that they gave this cattle that were dead as a gift to the local natives as a right to pass. Native Americans do accept gifts of dead animals. They are a little bit, at least this part I'm not an expert in anthropological and cultural Native Americans, but from what I read, they're kind of a little bit like scavengers. They will eat whatever they could eat.
Los primeros santos de los últimos días no obtuvieron la paz fácilmente. Fueron perseguidos por sus creencias, a menudo con violencia. Y, por desgracia, en algunos momentos en el siglo XIX, sobre todo en la Masacre de Mountain Meadows, algunos miembros de la Iglesia participaron en deplorable violencia contra las personas a las que percibieron como sus enemigos. Este ensayo explora tanto la violencia cometida contra los santos de los últimos días como la violencia cometida por ellos. Si bien el contexto histórico puede ayudar a arrojar luz sobre estos hechos de violencia, no los excusa. Lea el ensayo completo en formato PDF cliqueando aquí.
Brigham Young University faculty member Stuart Parker helps us discern Mormon doctrine from folklore as we discuss Joseph Smith's assassination, the Mountain Meadows massacre, retroactive baptism, polygamy and racism in both the mainstream and splinter Mormon groups. Plus suggestions from the Quorum of Twelve on how to break your masturbation habit, and the Church of Latter Day Saints in film and TV. Music: "Tarred & Feathered" by The Darkest of the Hillside Thickets Images Videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E Charity: http://www.mormonabuse.com/
It begins like other 9/11 commemorations we've seen in the past, and on this day 10 years after the events of 9/11 the sounds of salutes and taps and the readings of the names is familiar.Except these names are from a different 9/11 altogether—September 11th of 1857, one-hundred and fifty-four years ago today.It really was September 11th, that day when a California-bound wagon train crossing Southwestern Utah was attacked by Mormon militiamen, killing approximately 120 men, women, and children, most from Arkansas. Many of the details are here in excerpts from a ceremony held on September 11, 2011 on the same site, marking the designation of this burial spot as a National Historic Landmark.A century and a half later, signs of healing and reconciliation between the descendants of the perpetrators as well as descendants of the 17 young survivors, is an encouraging work in progress. In the commemoration ceremony conducted by Assistant Church Historian and Recorder Richard E. Turley, Jr, there are remarks from Elder Marlin K. Jensen of the First Quorum of the Seventy, himself the Church Historian, and representatives of the three groups of survivor descendants.You'll also hear about a remarkable set of quilts which have literally brought both cloth squares and people together representing all the stakeholders, making a hands-on memorial of remembrance and forgiveness.That's this week on The Cricket and Seagull.
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