Podcasts about James Strang

Host Martin Tanner highly recommends a new, historically accurate, highest quality LDS film Six Days in August, about the succession issue, who would lead the Church after Joseph Smith was murdered on June 27th, 1844.  For several months it was unclear who would lead the Church.  The Council of the Twelve Apostles and its president, Brigham Young, promised to continue to lead the Church just as Joseph Smith had been planning.  Sidney Rigdon, another possible successor, would have kept the Church in Nauvoo or in the mid-West.  James Strang claimed to be a successor prophet and wanted to lead the Church.  Emma wanted Joseph Smith, III, to be the next president, but he was only 11 years old.  In a Church assembly in August 1844, Sidney Rigdon spoke and convinced many he should lead, but them Brigham Young spoke, and according to the diaries of over 120 people who were at the assembly, Brigham Young appeared to appear as Joseph Smith, or sounded like Joseph Smith, which was taken as a sign from God. The Church members overwhelmingly voted for Brigham and the Apostles to lead the Church.

Who was James J. Strang? And why were his claims so appealing to so many of those Latter-day Saints who did not follow Brigham Young and Twelve after the succession crisis of 1844? Why did his movement experience so much initial success but then dissipate so quickly? Some have made strong comparisons between James Strang and Joseph Smith, but how accurate are these comparisons really?  On this episode of Church History Matters, we sit down with Dr. Kyle Beshears, a friend and expert researcher on the Strangite branch of the Restoration, to take a deep dive into the details of this movement. For show notes and transcript for this and other episodes go to https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/church-history-matters-podcast/   

Show NotesIn this episode Andrew shares his research on the origins of the Book of Mormon and the early roots of the Mormon church. This includes discussing the belief that gold plates were discoverd near New York in the early 19th century that gave the purported story of jews emigrating from the holy land to the americas in around 600 BC. Andrew also covers aspects of the character and background of the founder of the Mormon church, Joseph Smith. Also discussed is the cultural context and setting with the probable sources that influenced the formation of the book of Mormon. We also discuss the very facinating succesors to the Jospeth Smith, Brigham Young and also his rival, a certain James Strang and his very facinating story. For the hosts of this podcast we cannot help but see so many parallels with Mormonism and evangelical christianity. The many schisms, the fundamentalist and progressive divide, the apologetic strategies, prophecies that were unfullfilled and the pure devotion and passion for the book of Mormon as the word of God. All these aspects ring so true with evanglical christianity. Its easy as outsiders to see right through Mormonism but not so easy to look at ones own faith with the same level of honest critiscism.We have so much evidence to wade through with Mormon history and we can't help but think what would the early roots of Christianity look like if we had the wealth of contempory evidence that Mormon history has at our disposal. Would it bring to light the dark side of the human interactions and stories surrounding christian origins that would shock us if the reality was like that of the history of the Mormon church?The facinating story of James Strang, a contender to succeed Josepth Smith. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl83_X1Zslw

In this week's episode, a listener's question about the Council of Fifty leads us to a discussion of George Adams and a blistering letter from his brother Elias over the James Strang controversy. If you would like to join us on a Standard of Truth Tour in the summer of 2024 please sign up at: https://standardoftruth.com/tours/ If you have any questions or possible topics of discussion for upcoming podcasts, please email us at: ⁠questions@standardoftruthpodcast.com Subscribe to our free newsletter⁠ - ⁠https://standardoftruthpodcast.substack.com/⁠ Please visit our website at ⁠www.standardoftruth.com⁠

S01E167: Crow Energy Lincoln Logs 7% Interest Edward Norton Dog's A Bummer Private Browsing Joins Us!! It's Her First Time… ⛧ American Monarchs ⛧ California's Gold Rush and the Price of Rice ⛧ Joshua Norton Declares Himself Emperor ⛧ US Grant's Account of 1852-53 San Francisco ⛧ Imperial Decrees ⛧ Joseph Smith, James Strang, and Mormons ⛧ Strang Becomes King of Beaver Island, Michigan ⛧ Polygamy and Pantalones - Women of the Church He's a Huckster BYO3-DG - Live 7:30p 9:30c 10:30e BTS.lol https://zososcorner.substack.com/p/s01e167 http://scream.behindthesch3m3s.com/radio/8000/.mp3

  In this episode of The Interpreter Radio Show, our hosts are Bruce Webster, Kris Frederickson, and Robert Boylan. They discuss Come, Follow Me New Testament lesson 33, James Strang and the Voree Plates and the recent article by John Gee. You can listen to or download the July 16th broadcast of the Interpreter Radio […] The post Interpreter Radio Show — July 16, 2023 first appeared on The Interpreter Foundation.

What do two Evangelicals from Northwest Indiana have in common with each other? Their profound interest in the Restoration and the churches of the Mormon Movement would be the answer! Pastor Kyle Beshears (PhD in Religious Studies) joins Steven Pynakker to discuss his interest in the history and theology of the Restoration. In particular Kyle's focus is on the history and beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that is best know for being founded by James Strang. I hope that you'll find this conversation interesting and perhaps a good introduction to this little known church of the Restoration. Please look out for a paper that Kyle wrote “In Love and Union: The Writings of Mr. Charles J. Douglass, Secret Plural Wife of a Mormon King". This paper is slated for publication the spring edition of JWHA's journal

In our final conversation with historian Vickie Speek, she'll talk about the James Strang's death, and how the role of prophet & apostle did not continue in the Strangite Church. She also shares how learning about James Strang adversely affected her testimony of Joseph Smith. Check out our conversation.... https://youtu.be/GQT6x3xKo2U Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission. transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission.

Vickie Speek continues our conversation about James Strang, an early rival to Brigham Young. Strang gained some famous Strangites to his movement. He was successful in gaining some influential converts like Martin Harris & William Smith. Who else joined? Vickie will share that, as well as information on Strangite temple practices and other scriptures produced by James Strang called the Book of the Law of the Lord. Check out our conversation.... https://youtu.be/qY02Tb-POWg Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission. transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission.

Vickie Speek is the premier expert on the life of James Strang, an early Mormon leader. We'll talk about Strang's vision, calling as a prophet, the plates and revelations he was involved with, and whether they might have been forged. You won't want to miss this conversation.  Check it out... https://youtu.be/0qx_m5TJkzw Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission. transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission.

Dr Kyle Beshears dives into James Strang's wives and concubines. We'll learn about a cross-dressing polygamist wife, and about James Strang's life. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/29wBDWpLUik Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission. transcript to follow Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission.

Following the death of Joseph Smith, a succession crisis enveloped the Church. Several vied for leadership. While most people recognize Brigham Young and Joseph Smith III, there were several other leaders like Alpheus Cutler, Granville Hedrick, James Strang, and others who led movements still leading congregations today. Not only that, but others have broken off […]

I'm excited to have Dr Casey Griffiths back on the show. He's a Church History professor at BYU and we're going to talk about 2 of his newest books, 50 Relics of the Restoration & Truth Seeker. He's the incoming JWHA president, and we'll talk about several relics from other restoration groups, including James Strang's […]

Apostasy is something the LDS Church show serious concern over. And why shouldn’t they knowing James Strang, Lorin C. Wooley, Denver Snuffer, Julie Rowe all have led Splinter Factions of one sort or another that have had influence over segments of Latter-day Saints. The idea that a few voices or even a single voice can… Read More »Mormonism LIVE: 101: The Third Convention

Apostasy is something the LDS Church show serious concern over. And why shouldn't they knowing James Strang, Lorin C. Wooley, Denver Snuffer, Julie Rowe all have led Splinter Factions of one sort or another that have had influence over segments of Latter-day Saints. The idea that a few voices or even a single voice can… Read More »Mormonism LIVE: 101: The Third Convention

Apostasy is something the LDS Church show serious concern over. And why shouldn’t they knowing James Strang, Lorin C. Wooley, Denver Snuffer, Julie Rowe all have led Splinter Factions of one sort or another that have had influence over segments of Latter-day Saints. The idea that a few voices or even a single voice can… Read More »Mormonism LIVE: 101: The Third Convention The post Mormonism LIVE: 101: The Third Convention appeared first on Mormon Discussions Podcasts - Full Lineup.

Apostasy is something the LDS Church show serious concern over. And why shouldn't they knowing James Strang, Lorin C. Wooley, Denver Snuffer, Julie Rowe all have led Splinter Factions of one sort or another that have had influence over segments of Latter-day Saints. The idea that a few voices or even a single voice can… Read More »Mormonism LIVE: 101: The Third Convention The post Mormonism LIVE: 101: The Third Convention appeared first on Mormon Discussion by Bill Reel.

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James Strang was a recent convert to the church who claimed to be the successor of Joseph after the martyrdom. Strang also claimed to have discovered ancient metal plates, What do we know about this man and his claims? The post Witnesses of the Book of Mormon — Insights Episode 26: James Strang's Witnesses first appeared on The Interpreter Foundation.

In the final part of the James Strang saga, Bryan and Lindsay discuss the rise and downfall of the growing Mormon congregation on Beaver island known as the Strangite movement.

In the final part of the James Strang saga, Bryan and Lindsay discuss the rise and downfall of the growing Mormon congregation on Beaver island known as the Strangite movement.

The James Strang has left the station and things keep getting... stranger. In this episode, Bryan and Lindsay discuss how James Strang's Mormon movement takes off and moves to Beaver Island, causing all sorts of problems.

The James Strang has left the station and things keep getting… stranger. In this episode, Bryan and Lindsay discuss how James Strang’s Mormon movement takes off and moves to Beaver Island, causing all sorts of problems.

The Great Lakes in North America were formed when colossal glaciers from the past melted, and left huge gouges in the land. Throughout the years those gouges filled with rainwater and snow melt off, and gave us the Great Lakes. To give you an idea of how enormous these lakes are - They have enough water to cover all of North America in 18 inches of water, there are over 35,000 islands scattered across all 5 of the lakes, and you could expect to travel 6,500 miles if you want to drive around the Great Lakes. I originally planned to do a Great Lakes episode, and that's still the plan, but for this particular episode we're specifically going to be focusing on the shores of the state of Michigan.Sources:Ghosts and Legends of Michigan's West Coast by Amberrose HammondMichigan's Haunted Lighthouses from Dianna Higgs StampflerShedding Light on the Spirited Stories from Mackinac Island's Mission Point from the Promote Michigan BlogFacts & History from the Grand Traverse Lighthouse WebsiteThe Mormon Pirate King, James Strang from MHUGL10 Deep Facts About the Great Lakes from Mental FlossMoral Re-Armament from Britannica Our Story from the Mission Point Resort WebsiteThe Haunting of Bowers Harbor Inn – Is It Genevieve Stickney's Ghost? from the Old Mission Gazette Bower's Harbor Inn from HauntedHouses.comGerman Castle from HauntedHouses.comSeul Choix Point Lighthouse from LighthouseFriends.comHaunted Michigan: The Seul Point Lighthouse from 99 WFMKGhost Hunters: Season 7 - Episode 6 "Frozen in Fear" from Amazon

After Joseph Smith died, there were two contenders for the Mormon Throne - Brigham Young and James Strang.  Although one group broke off and went to Utah, ultimately becoming the Mormon community known globally today, the other took a different path.  And that path was Beaver Island.

On this episode of the world famous Sofa King Podcast, we talk about one or the boldest cult leaders to ever live—James Strang. He proclaimed himself the King of Beaver Island in Lake Michigan, and from there, he ran an empire of lumber theft, polygamy, and even piracy across The Great Lakes. He wrote diaries in a made up language (that took a century to decode), forged documents and holy artifacts to help take power within the Mormon Church, and even became a member of the House of Representatives. Oh, and there was that one time he hid his second wife by dressing her as a boy and saying she was his cousin. If you like cults, this one has it all!   Visit Our Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Strang https://leelanau.com/remembering-king-strang-of-beaver-island/ https://www.michiganradio.org/arts-culture/2020-07-24/new-book-documents-the-life-of-james-jesse-strang-self-professed-mormon-monarch-of-beaver-island https://mynorth.com/2009/03/beaver-islands-king/ https://www.ranker.com/list/james-strang-mormon-king-of-beaver-island/genevieve-carlton https://www.wpr.org/most-audacious-con-man-youve-never-heard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voree_plates#Script_used_on_the_plates

James Strang era un líder Santo de los Últimos días en Nauvoo que estableció una secta mormona en una isla después del asesinato de José Smith, había varios reclamantes a su papel como líder y profeta de La Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Últimos Días.  Síguenos y visita nuestro sitio oficial: instagram.com/eldollop twitter.com/eldollop facebook.com/eldolloppodcast eldollop.com/  

On the latest episode of Mormon Book Reviews, John Hamer returns to discuss the 1844-1860 period of Church history. This was a very tumultous time in which many there were many claimants to succeed Joseph Smith. We discuss James Strang, William Bickerton and Joseph Smith III among others. The Mormon Reformation is discussed as well as the beginning of the formation of what would become the RLDS. I want to thank John for coming on and I look forward to having him come back on to tell us about the history of the RLDS/Community of Christ. Stay Tuned!PatreonBrigham Young American MosesJoseph Smith III Pragmatic ProphetWilliam Bickerton Forgotten Latter Day Prophet

This week our friends at Saint's Unscripted, for unknown reasons, continue their series on the history of James Strang. Trying to force the "false equivalency" narrative, David examines the Strangite testimonies in comparison to the Mormon witnesses. Support The Master's Dog by contributing to their Tip Jar: https://tips.pinecast.com/jar/the-master-s-dog

This week the folks over at Saint's Unscripted have done their 2nd out of apparently 4 videos dealing with James Strang, a potential successor to Joseph Smith and another self proclaimed, Prophet, Revelator, and King. I'm wondering why the spotlight on a man that many people , even those deceived by Mormon Theology, have no idea who he is. Support The Master's Dog by contributing to their Tip Jar: https://tips.pinecast.com/jar/the-master-s-dog

Author Miles Harvey introduces us to James Strang, a charismatic young lawyer and avowed atheist, who vanished from a rural town in 1840s New York. Soon he persuaded hundreds of fellow Mormon-converts to follow him to an island, where he declared himself a divine king. Was his murder considered vigilante justice?  Written, researched, and hosted by Kate Winkler Dawson/producer Alexis Amorosi/sound designer Andrew Eapen/composer Curtis Heath/web designer Ilsa Brink/additional research Ella Middleton  Subscribe to my newsletter: tenfoldmorewicked.com  Buy my books: katewinklerdawson.com  If you have suggestions for historical crimes that could use some attention, email me: info@tenfoldmorewicked.com  Follow me on social: @tenfoldmore (Twitter) / @tenfoldmorewicked (Facebook and Instagram)  2021 All Rights Reserved  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

James Jesse Strang (March 21, 1813 – July 9, 1856) was an American religious leader, politician and self-proclaimed monarch. In 1844 he claimed to have been appointed to be the successor of Joseph Smith as leader of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite),[a] a faction of the Latter Day Saint movement. Strang testified that he had possession of a letter from Smith naming him as his successor, and furthermore reported that he had been ordained to the prophetic office by an angel. His organization is claimed by his followers to be the sole legitimate continuation of the Church of Christ founded by Joseph Smith fourteen years before. (Source: Wikipedia) ————— We are 100% donor funded! Please click HERE to donate and keep this content coming! Click here to donate monthly: $10 $25 $50 —————

Strap in because this one is wild from start to finish. James Strang takes you on adventures no one saw coming.Intro: Bad Bite by '68Outro: I Didn't Want to Join Your Stupid Cult Anyway by Every Time I Die

Don't you love it when the new guy comes in and sweeps you off your feet? Joseph Smith sure did. Learn about one of the more... controversial figures in Mormon history, James Stranghttps://ifyoucatchmygrift.com/Twitter: @catchmygriftpod@catchdalton@austinagogoInstagram: @catchmygriftpodhttps://www.facebook.com/IfYouCatchMyGrift/Footnotes: Harvey, Miles. The King of Confidence: A Tale of Utopian Dreamers, Frontier Schemers, True Believers, False Prophets, and the Murder of an American Monarch. Little Brown and Company, 2020.

This episode marks an exciting time in Smatter of Fact history: we have our first podcast guest appearance from the one and only Josh Gingery. Josh is one of our biggest fans and first listeners, and led the episode where he talks about the rise and fall of James Strang and Beaver Island in Michigan. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/malmaddie/support

James Strang was of his time, but also very recognizable to ours. In the 1840’s he was a charismatic lawyer, politician, religious leader and confidence man. On this week’s All About Books, a spirited biography of a remarkable fraud. The King of Confidence” by Miles Harvey

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Matt Berninger of The National talks about his debut solo album, "Serpentine Prison." Also, film critic Adam Nayman on Paul Thomas Anderson's masterful movies. And author Miles Harvey on the most infamous con man you've never heard of -- James Strang.

Author Miles Harvey takes a look at a little-known but very significant tale of a man who declared himself king - in America. This story of 19th-century curiosity includes religion, espionage, piracy, US Presidents and more. Harvey's book - The King of Confidence - tells the story of James Strang, and a strange tale it is indeed. Books - www.amazon.com/shop/jvjtaps Host - JV Johnson - www.facebook.com/jvjparanormal Patreon - www.patreon.com/johaw --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/brparanormal/support

James Strang is barely known to most Latter-day Saints, a new book, "The King of Confidence" goes into the rise and fall of this self-proclaimed monarch.

THE UTAH WAR OF 1857, Chapter 12 of Kingdom of God volume 3  Pages 147-161 John Taylor to Captain Marcy: Excuse me, sir, when I say that you are merely the servants of a lamentably corrupt administration; that your primary law is obedience to orders, and that you came here with armed foreigners, with cannon, rifles, bayonets and broadswords, expressly, and for the openly avowed purpose of “cutting out the loathsome ulcer from the body politic.” (Contributor 3:339)  No sooner had the Saints arrived in the Salt Lake Valley, than a petition was sent to the Committee on Territories of the Unitqed States against the Mormon territory becoming a State. It was from the Beaver Island apostate group led by James Strang and William Smith, brother to Joseph. They were establishing their kingdom of God and didn’t want Brigham Young to establish another.  When a false story about the Mormons starting a “rebellion” reached Washington, D.C., Pres. Buchanan over-reacted and ordered an army to go west to stop this uprising. The government administration was incited to defend their authority in the territory; on the other hand, the Mormons felt they had to defend themselves for survival against a federal army.  Polygamy had already been publicly announced in 1852 as a doctrine of Mormonism, and ten years later Lincoln signed a law against it. 

0:00- About Miles Harvey and the focus of his latest book, James Strang 10:52- Strang is baptized by Hyrum and claims to be the new prophet 24:18- Moving to Beaver Island and starting a kingdom 29:53- Elected to Michigan state... The post Miles Harvey Ep. 425 The Cultural Hall appeared first on The Cultural Hall Podcast.

Reset talks with Chicago author Miles Harvey, who brings to life one of Lake Michigan’s most iconic characters, James Strang.

In the summer of 1843, James Strang, a charismatic young lawyer and avowed atheist, vanished from a rural town in New York. Months later he reappeared on the Midwestern frontier and converted to a burgeoning religious movement known as Mormonism. In the wake of the murder of the sect’s leader, Joseph Smith, Strang unveiled a letter purportedly from the prophet naming him successor, and persuaded hundreds of fellow converts to follow him to an island in Lake Michigan, where he declared himself a divine king. From this stronghold he controlled a fourth of the state of Michigan, establishing a pirate colony where he practiced plural marriage and perpetrated thefts, corruption, and frauds of all kinds. Eventually, having run afoul of powerful enemies, including the American president, Strang was assassinated, an event that was frontpage news across the country. Today’s guest is Miles Harvey, author of “The King of Confidence.” Centering his narrative on this charlatan’s turbulent twelve years in power, Strang’s story gets into a crucial period of antebellum history and an account of one of the country’s boldest con men and the boisterous era that allowed him to thrive.

Mormons and most Christians observe Sunday, the first day of the week, as a day of worship.  James Strang taught his followers, on the other hand, that they should observe a 7th day Sabbath.  It turns out that  Strang had a revelation saying the proper day of worship was the 7th day, rather than the […] The post *7th Day Sabbath Mormons & Other Teachings (Part 6 of 6) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.

Both Joseph Smith and James Strang died in a hail of bullets.  In our next conversation with historian Bill Shepard, we will learn more about the martyrdom of James Strang. GT: So he’s on Beaver Island. He creates a lot of political enemies and I guess religious as well. Bill: Not only that, there’s Alexander […] The post Martyrdom of James Strang (Part 4 of 6) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.

Joseph Smith translated golden plates that became the Book of Mormon at the start of his call as prophet.  It turns out that James Strang also was a translator.  He translated plates at the beginning of his call as prophet.  These are known as the Voree Plates.  Historian Bill Shepard will tell us more about […] The post Strang’s Prophetic Role as Translator (Part 3 of 6) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.

Following James Strang’s prophetic call, he sought to gather people to his movement.  Strang’s Mormon missions included trips to Kirtland, Ohio, home of the temple, and he tried to gather people to Wisconsin as the new promised land.  Historian Bill Shepard will describe more about these missions by James Strang. Bill:  Strang is going to […] The post Strang’s Mormon Missions (Part 2 of 6) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.

Bill Shepard is an amazing Mormon historian, and a former president of the John Whitmer Historical Association.  He is also a Strangite.  In our first conversation with Bill, we will get acquainted with him, and learn more about these other Mormons, & James Strang, a prophet many of you may not have heard of. GT  […] The post “The Other Mormons” – Intro to James Strang (Part 1 of 6) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.

Criminal Behaviorology Religion Reinforced – Religion as a schedule-induced behavior and the case of “King” James Strang Timothy reads from a 2009 article on religion as a schedule-induced behavior by Paul S. Strand. In addition, a reading from Larry B. Massie’s Voyages Into Michigan’s Past focuses on a segment of a Mormon sect from the 19th century, and their leader James Strang who declared himself a king, and was revered as a prophet. Show Highlights: - The two classes of religious behavior: Nonoperant schedule-induced and operant behavior. The consistency of these two classes with the “graceful” and “effortful” religious experiences written about by theologians. - How and why religion may maintain as a behavior across continents and generations. Religious behavior transcends topography. - Learning in the form of socially mediated reinforcement. Acquired religious behavior may be motivated by social contingencies. Foundational religious behavior is motivated by something more. Foundational religious behavior continues regardless of the consequences. - Declaring oneself an atheist as a religious act in itself. - The potential for the automatic reinforcement of religion. - Skinner’s superstition concept, and how subsequent research does not support his conclusions as an explanation of religious behavior. - Induced behavior as being in the middle ground between pure operant behavior and reflexes. - The murder of James Jesse Strang (“The King of Beaver Island”). The dramatic career of Strang as a Mormon religious leader and violent end of the Strangite sect on a remote Lake Michigan island. Religion as Schedule-Induced Behavior by Paul S. Strand, The Behavior Analyst (2009) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2686986/ Voyages Into Michigan’s Past by Larry B. Massie https://www.amazon.com/Voyages-into-Michigans-Larry-Massie/dp/0932212581 Criminal Behaviorology podcast on Michigan’s True Crime https://anchor.fm/criminalbehaviorology/episodes/Michigans-True-Crime--Tobin-T--Buhk-discusses-his-career-as-a-true-crime-writer-as-we-focus-on-his-book-True-Crime-Michigan--The-States-Most-Notorious-Criminal-Cases-e3km7i Criminal Behaviorology podcast on Pirates! https://anchor.fm/criminalbehaviorology/episodes/Pirates--Behavior-Analysis-and-Maritime-Crime-from-the-Great-Lakes-to-Modern-Day-Somalia-e5epfr See Criminal Behaviorology on Blogger. CB Podcast Sites: https://criminalbehaviorology.podomatic.com https://anchor.fm/criminalbehaviorology https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/criminal-behaviorology/id1441879795?mt=2&uo=4 https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hbmNob3IuZm0vcy83MzY4OWFjL3BvZGNhc3QvcnNz https://open.spotify.com/show/5VM7Sjv762u7nb91YWGczZ https://www.breaker.audio/criminal-behaviorology https://overcast.fm/itunes1441879795/criminal-behaviorology https://pca.st/Q38w https://radiopublic.com/criminal-behaviorology-GEv2AZ https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/anchor-podcasts/criminal-behaviorology Please write a review on any of our podcast sites listed above. Questions, comments, and requests for transcripts to: criminalbehaviorology@gmail.com Thank you for listening. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/criminalbehaviorology/support

James Strang, Canistota-Freeman football coach

I'm excited to introduce historian Melvin Johnson.  He's written a biography on early Mormon pioneer John Pierce Hawley.  Hawley traveled extensively among several Mormon groups from Nauvoo to Salt Lake to Texas.  Johnson tells about some of the early Mormon persecutions, and this was one I hadn't heard of! https://youtu.be/N06_Qdtgnd4 GT : Okay, so what you're saying is, as Joseph was building the city of Nauvoo, that he sent Lyman Wight on a mission to Wisconsin to get wood so that they could build all the buildings in Nauvoo. Mel: Almost right.  The earlier story is the Nauvoo House committee, with Apostle Wight, Bishop George Miller, Peter Hawes, Lucien Woodward, Alpheus Cutler and others were on the committee, and they were cast to go to the territory of Wisconsin to locate existing sawmills, purchase them, and then begin the program of making lumber and timber for the temple, house and other projects. That began in 1841. It was not a good start. George Miller was drafted because of his business ability. He could be a cranky, irritable person. The only two church authorities--religious authorities that he ever followed closely and trusted implicitly, was Joseph Smith Jr. and later, after his death, James Strang in Wisconsin and Michigan. He distrusted almost everybody else.  [He was] not impressed with Brigham Young in the slightest and would quarrel with Lyman Wight in their five-year association in Wisconsin and elsewhere. Mel:  Miller went up to the territory, in the winter, with James Emmett, his guide.  Emmett was the great Mormon frontiersman. I think George Miller became almost as good as he [Emmett] was. Later on, we can talk about those exploits. Miller put the sawmills and the logging fronts on a good, sound financial basis.  By 1843, the Spring, it was time to expand the logging and milling effort, so Lyman Wight went recruiting for people to go to Black River Falls in the area. He recruited The Hawleys, Curtis's, Ballentines, Moncurs, and others who ended up in Wisconsin territory from Iowa. There they remained for more than a year, finishing the milling and the lumbering for the effort down in Nauvoo. GT:  So this is getting close to the time of the martyrdom, it sounds like, so how did how did Hawley react to that? Mel:  Early in the winter of 1843 and 1844, the federal agents for the Native Americans there, got involved and refused to let the Native Americans market their standing timber beyond the contracts they had already signed to the Mormons. In other words, by the Spring of 1844, the black pine mission was going to come to an end. GT:  So let me make sure I understand that. So it sounds like the Native Americans had some sort of a logging contract with the Mormons in Wisconsin. Mel:  That's correct, and the federal agents... GT:  Put a kibosh on that. Mel:  That's right. So the colony.....it was a typical frontier myth among the anti-Mormons that Joseph and the leadership, were going to ally with the Indian tribes, which would, as Will Bagley liked to call it, make them the war hammer, the Mormons and they would beat up on all the non-Mormons. GT:  So this was to not only stop the Indians, but to stop the Mormons, as well. It was basically to quash them both. Mel:  No, the Mormons. GT:  Just the Mormons. Mel:  Yeah. The Menominee were not going to go anywhere. They had no great power of Native Americans. Federal Indian agents just wanted to mess with the Mormons, and they were very effective at it. Check out our conversation…. Historian Melvin Johnson describes persecution against early Mormons

Following the martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum Smith, brother Samuel died within a month.  Was Samuel poisoned? https://youtu.be/M8w5-Zohz6s Steve:  You know, conspiracy theorists. Okay, fine. Was he poisoned deliberately? Who knows? There's no way to know. The typical story had been that he, was [ill with] was it pneumonia or cholera or, I can't remember what. In those days, in the Midwest, in the summer months, you had malaria, you had typhus, you had cholera. I mean, that stuff was rampant. Their food sanitation was different from what we would have today. It could've been any number of things, I think. There's no way to ever know for sure now, even if we were to exhume his remains, there's not enough left to do any of that kind of study, probably. Was he poisoned deliberately by somebody? Well, it could be, but why? Maybe I have a different view of Brigham young and his colleagues than some, I'm not willing to just write Brigham Young off and call him an evil, you know, usurper. Were people out to kill the other prophet's brother William? GT:  Back to William Smith. So he came to Nauvoo [in] September of 1844. Steve:   By the end of August, early September, he was back in Nauvoo, I'm pretty sure. GT:  And Brigham ordained him as patriarch. Steve: He was called as patriarch and I presume they ordained him. I don't know, because I'm not sure that all that ritual stuff had really been solidified at that early time. I don't know. Today, of course we would always do that. Did they need to? He was already an apostle. Maybe he just needed to be designated that. I don't know. What about James Strang? Steve:  Within weeks of affiliating, William Smith was disaffiliated, and that was before Strang ever got involved, ever publicly announced polygamy. I'm not sure when he [William] got involved in it. Somebody knows those dates, I just can't remember them. William Smith was there long enough to write this hymn that was published in Strang's paper at Voree, which is near Burlington, Wisconsin. Actually, it's now part of the city limits, but it [the hymn] was an ode to Voree, and it has something like 15 verses. Check out our conversation… Here's the first 3 parts with Steve Shields! 226: Sidney's Unsung Role in Restoration (Shields) 225: Steve's Shields Own Divergent Path 224: Who Owns the Temple Lot? (Shields)

This episode we talk about two old-timey religions that you might not have heard of! First up we talk about James Strang and his Strangites. An offshoot of the Mormon church, the Strangites had some surprisingly progressive politics (for the time), and they were led by a man who seemed to have serious inferiority complex, … Continue reading "Ep 30 – Strangites and Shakers"

We're continuing our discussion of the Succession Crisis. Strang was known to translate the Voree Plates. How does that compare to Book of Mormon translation process Joseph Smith did? Michael Quinn tells his beliefs about the translation process of the Book of Mormon. https://youtu.be/ucS-FPVIdmY GT: Do you have an opinion on the Book of Mormon? Michael:  Yes, I believe it is written based on ur-text? I believe it's tribal history. The way the Old Testament was tribal history originally told around campfires and that the Book of Mormon is based on an actual ur-text, written ur-text, Gold plates. I believe those. But I don't think that everything in the published 1830 Book of Mormon derives from that ur-text, derives from that ur-text.  That's a German phrase: Ur-text meaning the original text. I don't believe that. I mean, there are things in there you can see as Joseph Smith's understanding of the Bible. You can see things in there that reflect attitudes of the people at the time. James Strang was a big rival to the Brigham Young movement. He claims to have a letter from Joseph Smith putting him in charge of the LDS Church. Dr. Michael Quinn tells why he believes the letter was a forgery. GT: So what do you think about Strang's claim? Michael: Absolute fraud. GT:  Really? Michael: Oh yes. GT: Oh Wow.  Why do you say that? Michael:  The document itself was hand-printed. GT: Okay. Michael: The signature was hand-printed. GT: Really? Michael:  Joseph never did that. No, it's an absolute fraud. GT: Absolute fraud. Michael: Yeah. GT: I know that some... Michael: But he was a charismatic fraud, which is why people followed him because Brigham Young did not come across as charismatic even though he spoke in tongues and sang in tongues. Check out our conversation… as well as our other conversations with Dr. Quinn! Both Joseph Smith & James Strang translated plates. How do they compare. What are Dr. Quinn's thoughts on Book of Mormon translation? 187: LDS Succession Crisis (Quinn) 186: Quinn on Hofmann (Quinn) 185: “The Church Makes No Distinction Between God & Mammon” (Quinn) 184: Would LDS Church Income Ever Support a Paid Ministry?(Quinn) 183: Are LDS Church Revenues really $50 Billion/Year? (Quinn) 182: Michael Quinn Discusses Deseret Hemp Company (Quinn)

We're continuing our discussion of Black History Month with Russell Stevenson.  He's the biographer of Elijah Ables, and we'll talk about the end of Elijah's life.  Did Elijah Ables affiliate with any other groups like James Strang, William Smith, or Sidney Rigdon? https://youtu.be/cGWc6FD_YBE Russell:  Going with that, we can maybe conclude that Elijah was certainly diplomatic and kind and charitable.  If you really want to go further out on a limb, more than the evidence that we have suggests, you can say that he affiliated with William Smith, the movement.  I'm not inclined to say that we have evidence to suggest that. We'll also talk about how Elijah worked on the Salt Lake Temple, but was never allowed to get his endowment.  Did he continue to try through the end of his life? Now in 1879, he does petition to receive his temple endowment.  By this point his wife has passed away.  We do have some evidence that he petitioned Brigham Young at some point, but again that's pretty late and we don't have any contemporary documentation to back that up. Check out our conversation….. (Don't forget to check out our previous conversations about Elijah Abel's early life, his mission to Canada, and his troubles in Cincinnati.)  You also might want to check out what Paul Reeve said on this topic! Photo from dedication of the Salt Lake Temple dedication in 1892 [paypal-donation]

[paypal-donation] James Strang was one of the most unlikely people to succeed following the death of Joseph Smith in 1844.  Historian John Hamer will talk more about James Strang and his group, sometimes called the Strangites. https://youtu.be/Yh22cKjY32A John:  Yeah.  Of all of the different people that could have emerged in the Succession Crisis, this is the one that would be most unexpected to anybody before Joseph Smith's death because he had been a relatively recent convert.  He had been to Nauvoo.  Strangite recollections are that he had been baptized by Joseph.  He lived in Wisconsin, and so he wasn't an insider in any significant way. But what happens fairly quickly is that he announces all sorts of new prophetic signs, callings, and things like that that, or examples.  For example, there's a new set of plates that are found by a new set of official witnesses.  There's a new translation. ... One thing he says, at the same moment that Joseph Smith is killed, an angel appeared to him and ordained him to be prophet, seer, revelator, and translator to the church.  There can only be one on the planet at a time.  So there's not a thing where Joseph Smith can just give a bunch of keys to different people and then you collect the keys or something like that.  It only can be one guy at a time and it's not because you can't—if we ran out of elders in the LDS Church, you can't have a deacon ordain some new elder, so Strang says you can't have apostles ordain a prophet because that doesn't make any sense.  You can't a lower ordain [a higher.]  Essentially the only way, according to Strang, that you could have had a successor is the same way that Joseph Smith became prophet which is through angelic ordination, or two, there is a verse in the Doctrine & Covenants that says if Joseph shall fall, he will not have any power save it be the need to appoint another in his stead.[1] So James Strang had a letter.  His interpretation of the letter is that it appointed him to be the successor, Joseph Smith's successor.  It's a little bit ambiguously worded in that way.  Also nobody who wasn't a Strangite believed the letter was genuine.  So it's a contested letter, but he used the letter also as a claim on the two fronts there:  there's angelic ordination on the one hand, and he's also been appointed the successor. We'll learn more about some golden plates that he translated. GT:  Ok.  He also had some plates.  I think there's The Book of the Law of the Lord,[2] and yesterday you talked about the Voree Plates. John:  Yes. GT:  Let's talk about those. John:  The first set of plates are the Voree Plates. GT:  Oh that was the first set. John:  Yes. GT:  Oh I didn't realize that. John:  Yes.  The first set of plates that Strang announces are the Voree Plates and it's just very interesting story.  I could talk about it for hours and hours.  But anyway the idea of it is that near Strang's house in Burlington, Wisconsin in a place that comes to be known as Voree.  There's a hill.  An angel in a vision, Strang says, told him where plates are buried.  He brings four guys to that spot.  He shows them where the angel told them.  They have shovels or whatever, and then Strang leaves. So they dig up what I told you, they believe that the earth has never been disturbed and that they actually have to get under the roots of this big old tree and things like that.  They are convinced that the thing had been buried many, many years ago before this oak tree was on top of it and that kind of thing. Anyway they dig up plates.  They are plates, though, that people physically see and it's not simply the official witnesses who see.  Thousands of people see the plates including obviously lots of non-members including the local newspaperman who is the newspaper editor of the Kenosha newspaper and he actually goes on to be the guy that invents the QWERTY typewriter keyboard.  So that guy saw them.

[paypal-donation] Yesterday was President Monson's funeral.  When an LDS President dies, the First Presidency is dissolved.  Have you ever wondered why that is the case?  Historian John Hamer and apostle Lachlan MacKay of the Community of Christ will talk about why that happens in the LDS Church.  It's a really interesting conversation as we discussion several succession claims. John:  One of the last acts that Joseph Smith does before going to Carthage is he had given another one of these special blessings to Joseph III and several of these where Joseph had been prophesied at one point or another that he would be in his father's role in being prophet, but he was what?  He was eleven? Lachlan:  Eleven or eleven and a half. John:  He's eleven, so ok.  He wasn't going to be the successor at that point.  What I argue, I think anyway, I think that the person who had the best claim at the point, in terms of both civil, and canon, which is to say church rules and law is Sidney Rigdon, who even though he's been a little on the outs, he is still actively campaigning as the vice-presidential candidate in Joseph Smith's U.S. presidential election.  So Joseph Smith then Sidney Rigdon; Sidney Rigdon is the only guy left in the First Presidency. Even though in the LDS tradition, there is this idea that the First Presidency dissolves, and then the senior most apostle always succeeds, the only reason that is the idea is because they didn't want to have Sidney Rigdon be in charge.  It doesn't say that in the Doctrine & Covenants or anything like that.  There's no canonical, there's no canon law that says anything of the kind.  The First Presidency had been a completely distinct [quorum] in the early church tradition from the Twelve. Lachlan:  There's nothing that says it dissolves. John: There's nothing that says it dissolves and also not like the First Presidency is just like three more of the Twelve or something like that.  It's a completely distinct [quorum.]  Anyway, so what I say is Sidney Rigdon is the last surviving member of the First Presidency and then according to the actual incorporation like we're talking about the Church's possession, William Marks had signed it over to Joseph Smith on behalf of the Church.  The Church is incorporated in the state of Illinois, and part of incorporation and the documents in Carthage, it says held by Joseph Smith as Trustee in Trust for the Church and my successors in the First Presidency. Because of that, when Brigham Young does take over, he doesn't create a new First Presidency; the Twelve just take over headquarters.  It's one of the reasons why he is not able to get title to these temples is because James Strang knows about that because he has a lot of these guys in his group.  They know about this incorporation ruling.  This is really complicated details, but anyway, part of the idea of it is he charges that since he is the successor to the First Presidency, he has organized a new First Presidency.  This doesn't in Brigham Young's church until 1847, so he's operating that way with the First Presidency, and so he says, “You don't have a First Presidency. I have title to the Nauvoo Temple.  You're trying to sell my temple.” GT:  James Strang created a First Presidency and said that should be the successor? John:  Yeah, he did that at that point.  But before that, I've got to dial it back.  The person who was the surviving member of the First Presidency then is Sidney Rigdon.  Sidney Rigdon gets outmaneuvered in this showdown between Brigham Young and Sidney Rigdon.  He gets kicked out of Nauvoo, or flees for his life and he goes back and reorganizes and creates a new headquarters of the church in Pittsburgh.  But at that point, he suffers one of these things that all kinds of schismatic Mormon Latter Day Saint heritage churches do which is, then they start asking themselves:  where did we go wrong? We will also talk about some of the other leaders who wanted to ...

[paypal-donation] I'm excited to start 2018 two amazing guests: a Seventy and an Apostle of the Community of Christ: John Hamer and Lachlan MacKay. I'll let them introduce themselves. Lachlan:  Sure, [I'm] Lachlan MacKay, a member of the Council of Twelve in the Community of Christ.  I oversee the northeast field in the U.S. which is Michigan and basically Kirtland to Maine to Virginia.  I have functional assignments including Community of Christ Historic Sites.  I oversee historic sites and lead the church history and sacred story team. John: In terms of the history work that I do, I primarily have studied the broader Latter-day Saint tradition churches.  Like I say that would be all manner of –ites, so the Strangites,[1] especially but also Cutlerites[2] and Hendrickites[3] and everybody else, Josephites,[4] our tradition.  I'm a member of Community of Christ.  I serve as the pastor of the downtown Toronto congregation.  I've been called to be a Seventy.  I'm a Seventy-designate.  The ordination will happen in October.[5]  I am also a past president of the John Whitmer Historical Association (JWHA), which is essentially the other –ites, or the Community of Christ's version of the Mormon History Association (MHA), those kind of things. We'll be talking a little bit about LDS myths. GT:  One of my favorite blog posts was, it's been a decade now, the Top Myths about the Community of Christ for Mormons. John:  Oh yeah, the Top 10 myths, I don't remember exactly how it was, the top 10 Mormon myths about the Community of Christ or something like that.  That one we ended up doing a couple of podcasts with that. I think we did one on Mormon Expression that was on that same topic. One of the ones for the LDS Tradition, one of the blogs posts that gets the most traction is for whatever reason, sometime in your curriculum every spring you do the Milk & Strippings story.[6]  Then suddenly this essay that I've written that has been read more times is on the Milk & Strippings story because every May or something like that it comes up for some reason.  I don't know why. We will also talk about the construction of the Kirtland Temple.  (Don't forget to check out our previous discussion with Dr. Mark Staker and Dr. Richard Bennett!)  Check out our conversation! https://youtu.be/Agt2SKt9M6U [paypal donation]   [1] Because so many churches founded by Joseph Smith have similar names, sometimes it is easier to name the groups by their next founder.  For example, the Strangites have a similar name as the mainline LDS Church.  Their church is officially known with slightly different capitalization and punctuation as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (vs. Latter-day Saints), and were founded by James Strang following an angelic visit.  We will talk more about them in a future episode. [2] Cutlerites were founded by Alpheus Cutler and are officially known as the Church of Jesus Christ. [3] Hedrickites were founded by Granville Hedrick and officially known as the Church of Christ or Church of Christ (Temple Lot.)  They are sometimes referred to as the Temple Lot Church.  We will discuss them in a future episode. [4] Josephites are better known as Community of Christ or RLDS Church.  The official name is the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  They are called Josephites after Joseph Smith III.  The Utah church is sometimes referred to as Brighamites, after Brigham Young. [5] John was ordained in October 2017. [6] The Milk Strippings story is a story in which the LDS Church claims that apostle Thomas B. Marsh was excommunicated for defending his wife.  As the story goes, his wife took extra milk for butter, known as “milk strippings.”  John wrote a post that there was more context to the story than is given in LDS Sunday School manuals.  See https://bycommonconsent.com/2009/07/01/the-milk-strippings-story-thomas-b-marsh-and-brigham-young/  

John Hamer talks about Joseph Smith successor James Strang and the impressive engravings on Strang’s Vorhee Plates. This is John’s presentation from Salt Lake City Sunstone 2017.

As a child, James Strang, set out to be a lawyer, a priest, a legislator, and a king. Bold ambitions for an American boy, but King Strang of Beaver Island met every one. In addition, he had at least 4 wives, in a plural marriage.

Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds examine the strange story of Mormon James Strang. SOURCESTOUR DATESREDBUBBLE MERCH

In 1850, James Strang was crowned king of Michigan's Beaver Island. He got the opportunity to lead after meeting Joseph Smith and converting to Mormonism. After Smith's death, Strang tried to step in as his successor. Tune in to learn what happened next. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers