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When then prime minister Scott Morrison signed the $US3bn Aukus agreement, it was hailed as Australia's entry point into nuclear-power submarine status. But as Donald Trump's second presidency unfolds, there are fears this landmark deal might never be delivered. Former foreign correspondent and Guardian reporter Ben Doherty tells Reged Ahmad how, with America an increasingly unreliable ally, doubts are rising above the waves

Two of Australia’s richest people – Gina Rinehart and Anthony Pratt - were on the invites list to Donald Trump’s inauguration, as he was sworn in as US President for the second time today. It was the latest example of Trump collecting some billionaires from around the world to be part of the new president’s inner circle. So what does this mean for Australia? Could these relationships help us avoid tariffs Trump is threatening? Could it help our economy? Or will this just be a group of very rich people hoping to make each other richer? On this episode of the Briefing, Bension Siebert speaks with Guardian Australia journalist Ben Doherty about how close Trump has become with this country’s richest people, and what these relationships could mean for us. Follow The Briefing: TikTok: @listnrnewsroom Instagram: @listnrnewsroom @thebriefingpodcast YouTube: @LiSTNRnewsroom Facebook: @LiSTNR NewsroomSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Join host CaBreon Wise and a powerhouse lineup of Wise Media Network analysts—Zach Denneau, Bryce Balistreri, Dave Rogers, and the returning Elijah (EJ) Johnson—for an action-packed episode! Later, Ben Doherty hops on to break down the latest in the NBA. This week, the team dives into:

The remaining members of the Bali Nine – Scott Rush, Matthew Norman, Si-Yi Chen, Martin Stephens and Michael Czugaj – are all serving life sentences in jail. But now there is a real possibility the five men, arrested in 2005 for attempting to smuggle heroin out of the resort island, may finally return to Australia to serve their time here. Guardian Australia reporter Ben Doherty is a former foreign correspondent covering south-east Asia, and Kate Lamb was a senior Indonesia correspondent before joining as an international editor in Sydney. Both reporters reflect on what has happened nearly 20 years since the arrests and examine the delicate politics behind bringing the remaining members back to Australia.

Amber Haigh was 19 years old when she disappeared in 2002, leaving behind an infant son. For months Robert and Anne Geeves sat in court accused of her murder but this week the verdict came down from the judge: not guilty. They are now free. Ben Doherty tells Bridie Jabour about the two ‘indispensable facts' the judge says the prosecution failed to prove.

Interview by James O'Toole Derry City continued their impressive form in the Irish Premier Division with a hard-fought 1-0 victory over Waterford FC at the Regional Sports Centre on Friday evening. The solitary goal came from a bizarre own goal by Waterford goalkeeper Louis Jones, who spilled a routine header from Ben Doherty over his own line. The win moves Derry City back to the top of the league table, albeit on goal difference having played a game more than Shelbourne.  Derry City's tenacity proved to be the difference. Key moments from the match:  * Own goal seals the deal: In the 25th minute, Ben Doherty's header towards goal was spilled into the net by Waterford's goalkeeper, giving Derry City a crucial lead.  * Waterford's dominance: Despite conceding early, Waterford controlled much of the possession and created several chances, but Derry City's goalkeeper, Brian Maher, made some crucial saves to preserve his side's advantage.  * Resilient defense: Derry City's defense stood firm throughout the match, limiting Waterford's attacking threat and ensuring their clean sheet. This victory further solidifies Derry City's position as one of the top contenders for the Premier Division title. With the season reaching its climax, every point is vital, and Derry City's win tonight was a significant step towards their goal.

Last week the supreme court of NSW heard the voices of both accused of murdering Amber Haigh. This week you get to hear them too. Robert and Anne Geeves have both pleaded not guilty and have not testified in court but reporter Ben Doherty was there to hear their original police interviews. He tells Bridie Jabour about the interviews from June 2002. Listen to all episodes of Who Cared? The disappearance of Amber Haigh here: theguardian.com/amberhaigh

In court so far we have heard much detail about the two accused of Amber Haighs murder. People have spoken about them and for them but we haven't heard them speak for themselves, until now. This week reporter Ben Doherty tells Bridie Jabour about the recordings of Robert and Anne Geeves played to the court Listen to all episodes of Who Cared? The disappearance of Amber Haigh here: theguardian.com/amberhaigh

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There have now been 38 witnesses called in the trial of Robert and Anne Geeves, who are charged with the murder of Amber Haigh. Ben Doherty tells Bridie Jabour about the evidence presented. This week the court heard more about the weeks and months following Amber's disappearance, as well as further testimony and allegations about Robert Geeves' past. Listen to all episodes of Who Cared? The disappearance of Amber Haigh here: theguardian.com/amberhaigh

As the trial of Robert and Anne Geeves for the murder of Amber Haigh continues, Bridie Jabour speaks to Ben Doherty, who has been watching it unfold. This week he reports on evidence the court heard that Haigh had made a will, events surrounding a late-night visit to a neighbour's house and further details of what's been called ‘the tying up evidence'

In Wagga Wagga the trial of Robert and Anne Geeves for the murder of Amber Haigh is now in its third week. Ben Doherty tells Bridie Jabour what was heard in court last week. For the first time prosecution witness testimony about what has been referred to as ‘the tying up evidence' was heard, but it was the subject of some arguments in court. Other witnesses told us more about Haigh's five months as a mother, before she disappeared

More than 20 years after Amber Haigh's disappearance, two people stand accused of her murder – one of them the father of her child. Both have pleaded not guilty. Bridie Jabour speaks to Ben Doherty, who's reporting on the trial. They discuss what we learnt about Amber Haigh's life, the prosecution's case against a married couple, and the defence's counterargument that the case against them is weak and based on degraded memories from disapproving members of the community.

Thirty years after one of the worst atrocities of the 20th century, Guardian reporter Ben Doherty travels to Rwanda to investigate claims by Rwandan authorities that two men they believe are living in Australia allegedly participated in genocide. Doherty speaks to genocide survivors, learns first-hand of Rwanda's difficult path to reconciliation and investigates questions about Australia's screening processes and willingness to investigate alleged war crimes In this special episode of Full Story, we hear what was discovered in this year-long joint investigation from Four Corners and Guardian Australia. The full Four Corners documentary The Wanted is available to watch on Monday night from 8.30pm on ABCiview and ABC TV You can support the Guardian at theguardian.com/fullstorysupport

Patrick Cooke spoke to Ben Doherty after tonight's pre-season friendly between Derry City and Finn Harps.

Two years ago, Guardian contributor Shadi Khan Saif fled Afghanistan for Australia, hoping his wife and young children would soon follow him. But he is still waiting to be reunited with them. On the second anniversary of the fall of Kabul he speaks to Jane Lee about the heartbreak of being separated from his family and why he wrote a public letter to his son. And Guardian Australia reporter Ben Doherty tells us why so many Afghans seeking safety in Australia are still separated from their family

At the heart of the defamation case Ben Roberts-Smith launched against three of Australia's biggest newspapers were the articles published by Nick McKenzie and Chris Masters. In this episode Ben Doherty speaks to these journalists about what led them to start this investigation, how they overcame their doubts and fears to publish articles that accused Australia's most decorated living soldier of war crimes, and what the results of the civil case mean for Australia's military legacy

At the heart of the defamation case Ben Roberts-Smith launched against three of Australia's biggest newspapers were the articles published by Nick McKenzie and Chris Masters. In this episode Ben Doherty speaks to these journalists about what led them to start this investigation, how they overcame their doubts and fears to publish articles that accused Australia's most decorated living soldier of war crimes, and what the results of the civil case mean for Australia's military legacy

Ben Doherty believed that the red card and call for a penalty dismissed had were debatable, and that "all things considered" a point in Tolka was probably a good point.

Australia's most decorated living soldier has lost his defamation case against the Sydney Morning Herald, the Age and the Canberra Times. A federal court judge has found that the newspapers proved in their defence that Ben Roberts-Smith murdered unarmed prisoners while serving in the Australian military in Afghanistan.In this episode, host Ben Doherty combs through Justice Anthony Besanko's full verdict which describes how Australia's most decorated soldier lied to save his reputation How to listen to podcasts: everything you need to know

Australia's most decorated living soldier has lost his defamation case against the Sydney Morning Herald, the Age and the Canberra Times. A federal court judge has found that the newspapers proved in their defence that Ben Roberts-Smith murdered unarmed prisoners while serving in the Australian military in Afghanistan.Ben Doherty examines Justice Anthony Besanko's full verdict which describes how Australia's most decorated soldier lied to save his reputation How to listen to podcasts: everything you need to know

Australia's most decorated living soldier has lost his defamation case against the Sydney Morning Herald, the Age and the Canberra Times. A federal court judge has found that the newspapers proved in their defence that Ben Roberts-Smith either murdered or was complicit in and responsible for the murder of unarmed civilians while serving in the Australian military in Afghanistan. Ben Doherty reports from court, sifting through the judge's ruling and what it means for public interest journalism

Australia's most decorated living soldier has lost his defamation case against the Sydney Morning Herald, the Age and the Canberra Times. A federal court judge has found that the newspapers proved in their defence that Ben Roberts-Smith either murdered or was complicit in and responsible for the murder of unarmed civilians while serving in the Australian military in Afghanistan. Ben Doherty reports from court, sifting through the judge's ruling and what it means for public interest journalism

Floods, fires, drought and disasters are already displacing more people globally than conflict. The climate emergency is destroying crops, homes and infrastructure and as the world heats over the coming decades whole cities may become unliveable, forcing populations to move in their tens of millions. How can we manage this unprecedented human movement to achieve productive, sustainable societies this century? Proposals range from the already real to the politically radical – such as global free movement, ‘caretaker states', repurposed cities, and migration authorities with real power. Will we choose to invest in productive, pragmatic plans for the coming climate and demographic changes, or find ourselves forced to improvise in an acute crisis? Join award-winning science writer and the author of Nomad Century: How Climate Migration Will Reshape Our World Gaia Vince, for a keynote talk, followed by a conversation with Guardian Australia's immigration reporter Ben Doherty and Director of the Kaldor Centre for International Refugee Law Jane McAdam about how climate migration will reshape our world. This event is presented by the UNSW Centre for Ideas and supported by the Kaldor Centre for International Refugee Law and Adelaide Writers' Week.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

With Derry's last encounter with Shelbourne at the Aviva resulting in a 4 nil win back in November of last year, previous to that it was a case of last minute winners at Tolka Park. So it will be no easy task for the Candystripes on Friday night. Ben Doherty believes that if they are to go on and achieve the the standards they have set themselves, then they must take 3 points every game.

UNSW's Kaldor Centre for International Refugee Law and Refugee Advice and Casework Service (RACS) co-hosted a discussion held on 9 February 2023 with Behrouz Boochani, as he concluded his first visit to Australia. The discussion explored Behrouz's complicated path to freedom, and the role of courage, collaboration and creativity in challenging a dehumanising asylum system. The first part of the panel featured Madeline Gleeson (Kaldor Centre) and Zaki Haidari (Amnesty International) with Behrouz's translator and collaborator, Moones Mansoubi, and Guardian Australia's Ben Doherty. In the second part of the discussion, Behrouz Boochani and Omid Tofighian join Moones Mansoubi and Ben Doherty for a discussion about the new book, Freedom, Only Freedom (Bloomsbury 2022), and the liberating power of writing, creative relationships and resistance. The panel is hosted by RACS Director Sarah Dale and Kaldor Centre Director Jane McAdam AO.

The Official Coleraine Podcast was pleased to welcome Ben Doherty on this week's show. The former Coleraine midfielder - who swapped The Showgrounds for Larne in the summer of 2021 discussed that move, the transition to full-time football and how he has remained friends with people at Coleraine. The 25-year-old also speaks about his recent move to Derry City, coping with the pressure of playing for his hometown club and his thoughts on the title race in the Irish League. Hosted by Damian Mullan and Johnny McNabb, the show - sponsored by Radio Taxis - also reflects on the Bannsiders' win against Newry City and this weekend's fixture against Portadown.

Ben Doherty has returned to Derry City after a 5 year absence. A more versatile player than when he left.  Patrick Cooke caught up with Ben, shortly after signing for his hometown club until the end of the 2025 season.

Derry City manager Ruadhri Higgins was delighted to bring Ben Doherty back to his hometown club. Stating a more versatile player is a great addition to the squad.

Leasing is one of the hardest aspects of property management. What if you had a way to offload some or all of your tasks related to leasing? Today, property management growth expert Jason Hull chats with Ben from Sunroom. This service allows property managers to offload leasing to leasing professionals who care about property managers, owners, and tenants. You'll Learn… [01:26] Offloading Leasing: What is Sunroom? [09:01] ShowMojo, Tenant Turner, vs. Sunroom, oh my! [016:35] Better ways to do Property Showings [020:23] How Sunroom Vets Tenants Better [24:21] Integrating with Other PM Software  [31:30] Net Promoter Scores for Property Management and Leasing [37:12] Learning to LET GO as a PM Entrepreneur Tweetables “Some of y'all entrepreneurs are control freaks. Let's be real, and you need to let go of some of this stuff and let somebody else do it a little bit better.” “We have a lot of egos as entrepreneurs. We think our way is the best way all the time, and we need to see that maybe somebody else could do this better.” “Property managers tend to do best if they just convince owners to do pets. You're going to get more tenants, you're going to get more money.” “One of the biggest time sucks for a property management company is dealing with prospective tenants.” Resources DoorGrow and Scale Mastermind DoorGrow Academy DoorGrow on YouTube DoorGrowClub DoorGrowLive TalkRoute Referral Link Transcript [00:00:00] Ben: So what we do is we partner with property management companies and become their leasing arm. So if you're a newer property management company, you're focused on growing doors and you just mainly want to focus on that, right? One of the most important things is you got to get leasing. If you don't get leasing, you're not going to lease the doors quickly, which then your owner investors are not going to be happy about that.   [00:00:22] Jason Hull: Welcome DoorGrow Hackers to the # DoorGrowShow. So if you are a property management entrepreneur that wants to add doors, make a difference, increase revenue, help others, impact lives, and you're interested in growing in business and life, and you're open to doing things a bit differently then you are a DoorGrow Hacker. DoorGrow Hackers love the opportunities, daily variety, unique challenges and freedom that property management brings. Many in real estate think you're crazy for doing it. You think they're crazy for not bebecause you realize that property management is the ultimate, high trust gateway to real estate deals, relationships, and residual income. At DoorGrow, we are on a mission to transform property management business owners and their businesses. We want to transform the industry, eliminate the bs, build awareness, change perception, expand the market, and help the best property management entrepreneurs win. I'm your host property management growth expert, Jason Hull, the founder and CEO of DoorGrow. Now let's get into the show.    [00:01:19] Jason Hull: All right. Ben, welcome to the #DoorGrowShow.    [00:01:24] Ben: Thanks for having me, Jason.    [00:01:26] Jason Hull: Good to have you. So Ben, why don't we start by you giving us a little bit of your background, qualify yourself. You've done some cool stuff and I'm in the market where you did some of this cool stuff. We just realized in the green room that we're practically neighbors in Austin, market downtown, and I'm up in Round Rock. Ben, tell us a little bit about your background and how you got into the, I guess technology space.   [00:01:49] Ben: Yeah, sure. Yeah, definitely. First of all, I mean we-- me and my co-founder Zach, we started working on Sunroom in right around 2017. And, the way that we had originally had the idea was, just being a renter for a decade and having a lot of interesting experiences trying to look for a place to lease. But prior to starting Sunroom, Zach and I had started a company called Favor Delivery, which is a small little delivery company here in Texas that grew to become the market leader in delivery. And we sold to H-E-B in early 2018.    [00:02:27] Jason Hull: And for people that aren't familiar with H-E-B, because I moved from California just before the pandemic because I wanted to get away from California and the taxes and it's poor political culture. But anyway, so I moved here, Austin and H-E-B was all over the place. I'm like, what a weird name. What is this place? But it's one of the, like America's top grocery chains. It's consistently rated as like one of the biggest and the best. So for those that are not in Texas, they are probably not familiar with H-E-B, but H-E-B is the, like one of the leading grocery stores, and it dominates everything.    [00:03:05] Jason Hull: Yeah.   [00:03:06] Jason Hull: I'm sure in grocery sales, it beats out Walmart, like it beats out any of the stuff that I'd heard about before and I'd never heard of H-E-B. And they offer delivery service.    [00:03:15] Ben: Yeah. H-E-B is an impressive company. And the crazy thing is they've been around for 115 years.   [00:03:21] Ben: Wow.    [00:03:21] Ben: They are the top employer in Texas. And when they acquired us, it was the only acquisition they've ever had in their history as a company. And even crazier than that, when we combined workforces at the time, we had the largest workforce of independent contractors. We grew to, now they're at a hundred thousand delivery drivers in Texas.    [00:03:44] Ben: Oh, wow.    [00:03:44] Ben: And H-E-B had a similar amount of employees. So when we combined workforces, it just became this really massive workforce supporting grocery and delivery of all foods. So yeah, it was a cool marriage that we had there.   [00:04:00] Jason Hull: Very cool. Yeah. Very cool. That's interesting history. So I've seen the Favor name when I'm doing delivery from H-E-B, so I was like what's this relationship?    [00:04:11] Ben: Yeah. So I can elaborate a little bit more too about, how we picked Sunroom. We had, like I said, I mean my co-founder Zach and I, we're actually best friends from high school and so we go way back. I think what you were saying about you wanting to support property manager entrepreneurs, I think that's a good mission because I just tip my hat off to any entrepreneurs who get any businesses working because we definitely know how hard that is. But anyways, our journey towards Sunroom was just having a lot of, I would call interesting experiences as a renter. And then we started calling-- once we were interested in the rental space-- we started making a lot of phone calls to, different rental listings. And we started asking the agents and property managers, "Hey, why are you doing this?" "why are you doing these leases?" And, we kept hearing the same thing, which was like, "oh, we don't-- I don't really want to be doing this lease. I'm just doing this lease. I'm helping this investor client buy more homes and so now I'm looped into to renting this place." And every once in a while you'd come across a property manager who really loved leasing, but a lot of the property managers we talked to too would be like, "yeah, I'm really focused on growing my door count. And these things are just something we have to do to get more properties in the door." And Zach and I saw that as an opportunity of: wow. No wonder why the experience is not that great for renters. A lot of the folks who are doing these leasing are not that excited about doing it. And so then that's how we started working on Sunroom.    [00:05:29] Jason Hull: Cool. So let's talk about then what-- you talked about the problem that you saw in the marketplace and experience wasn't super good, but a lot of owners and maybe even property managers aren't even super excited about taking care of the tenant experience. So it's not like their highest priority. Like, "I want to get more doors, I want to have more properties managed," so they're like, "what's my competitive advantage?" So when they're picking tools and software, they're usually-- they're trying to figure out: "how do I get some sort of leg up on the competition," so to speak, or "how can this lower my operational cost?" and these kind of things. One of the biggest time sucks for a property management company is dealing with prospective tenants.    [00:06:13] Jason Hull: Yeah.    [00:06:14] Jason Hull: These are not people that are paying them and they call them the most, and--   [00:06:17] Jason Hull: yeah.   [00:06:18] Jason Hull: --This is like the "garbage of phone calls," I've heard one of my guests call it.   [00:06:21] Jason Hull: Yeah.    [00:06:22] Jason Hull: So tell me about what does Sunroom do and how does it do it, and what's the benefit.    [00:06:27] Ben: Yeah, sure. So what we do is we partner with property management companies and become their leasing arm. So if you're a newer property management company, you're focused on growing doors and you just mainly want to focus on that, right? One of the most important things is you got to get leasing. If you don't get leasing, you're not going to lease the doors quickly, which then your owner investors are not going to be happy about that. And also I would argue equally as important is that renter does have a great experience because, that is really the beginning of your relationship with them, and what we've noticed of working with a lot of different property managers is that, when the renter goes into the home and they're really happy with their experience that led up to that point, they're a lot more-- how do I put this? They're a lot more quiet when they get into the home, right? They're just happy overall, which is going to reduce your maintenance requests and honestly going to make it more likely that they renew the next year, right? because that is just really first, and I would just say first impressions are, everything in life a lot of times.    [00:07:27] Ben: And so I think, leasing really is that first impression for that property manager. To come back around to what we do, yeah, we partner with the property management companies and make it so that they don't even need to have any leasing agents on staff. And we can really do the entire process of getting the home leased. But at the same time, we give the property manager the power over key decisions, right? Things like actually approving the applications, that's still going to be up to the property manager to make sure they choose the right applicant. And obviously if they want to use their lease that they prefer, there's all different ways that we allow them to customize what they want their leasing experience to be like. But at the end of the day, we're really doing the legwork for them and we have a combination of people and tech to do that.    [00:08:12] Ben: Got it. So    [00:08:14] Jason Hull: this combination of people and tech... are you able to do this in every market or is this like a local thing that needs to be done    [00:08:21] Ben: locally?    [00:08:23] Ben: Yeah, great question.   [00:08:24] Ben: So we started out just doing this in Austin and have partnered with several different property managers here. In town. But now we're expanding across the us. And I believe we're up to seven different markets at the moment. But pretty rapidly expanding to cover more markets.   [00:08:41] Ben: Got it. What's    [00:08:42] Jason Hull: the biggest limitation in expansion for those that you don't cover yet?    [00:08:46] Ben: We call ourselves a leasing only brokerage, so we're actually-- we're a real estate brokerage in each of these states. And so that's a blocker to getting set up in a lot of these places is actually establishing our brokerage in each one of these states.   [00:08:59] Ben: Got it.    [00:09:00] Jason Hull: Okay. Cool. I think a lot of property managers, they're aware of certain pools like ShowMojo and Tenant Turner and Rently and Knock Rentals and Turbo Tenant, so how does Sunroom differentiate from all these tools and these systems are already out there?   [00:09:20] Ben: Yeah, so some of those systems and tools you mentioned, I do think those-- they do improve the renter experience and at the same time. They do make it so that it's a little less work for the property manager to lease those properties. But at the end of the day, if you're a property management owner you're still going to need a leasing agent on your team. Or you're going to have to overextend the property manager that you have in order to use those, utilize those tools. Sunroom just takes it the next step where we have similar tools and systems. Obviously I'm biased, but I would argue they're better than those, but--   [00:09:55] Ben: You should argue that.    [00:09:57] Ben: We take it a step further. You don't even really need to have a leasing agent on staff in order to really execute everything you need to do for leasing. Whereas all these other tools or systems they're definitely completely reliant on still having somebody there behind the scenes catching the errors or all all the holes in those systems. And, if anybody has tried to. Integrate those different systems and tools, what they'll find is that they were built in a way that they had a focused goal. And there's a lot of different holes in that system. And I'm sure as operators see that, I think that's a big difference with what we're building, is that what we build, we actually use to operate. And so we're able to see all the different gaps and holes that those systems leave. And really between our systems and our team, we're able to fill in the gaps that those systems leave out.   [00:10:46] Jason Hull: All right. So I think people listening by now are like, "the wheels are turning a little bit," and they're like, "okay, how's this actually play out?" So could you walk us through step by step what-- how this process works with the property manager and the tenant from beginning to    [00:11:01] Ben: finish? Yeah, sure. So it usually starts within one of the property managers, property management softwares, right?   [00:11:09] Ben: We see commonly property managers are using App Folio or Buildium, so let's use App Folio for example. You have a property manager on your team that you have a home where the renter didn't renew. And it's a property that you're going to need to get leased. At that moment, if you were partnered with us, you would open up the Sunroom portal. We would already essentially have that home synced within our system. Because we're able to really pull data from App Folio and the Buildiums of the world. From there, they just really submit the property to us and say, "Hey, this home's coming up for lease." we would normally already have all of their settings. As a part of our onboarding, we're going to get them all set up in our system. So things like knowing what their tenant criteria is. Things like knowing when is this home actually available? When would you like us to touch the property? And then as soon as they submit the property to us, we actually will go out and touch the property. So we have boots on the ground. Those boots on the ground are going to get professional photography. They're going to set up a self showing lock system if that's what the property manager would like to. And then we're going to actually install a yard sign as well. And, we take pictures to really document everything that we do there. And then, we'll take it a step further, we'll get the marketing description written and then we'll get it listed online, and we do that entire process in an average about 48 hours.    [00:12:28] Ben: Nice.    [00:12:29] Jason Hull: Awesome. Yeah, that's very cool. So you actually have people come out-- swarm of people, and they get all this stuff done, right? In the description, getting it listed, doing all this stuff. Okay.    [00:12:39] Jason Hull: Yeah,    [00:12:40] Ben: and that's where our background in Favor obviously comes into play is that, I think if you think about Favor, there's a great consumer experience where the customer can order food, but then there's all these boots on the ground that actually go get the food and make sure that all happens in a timely manner. Leasing is similar in the sense that you need to have a great consumer experience for the renter to be able to see what they're shopping for and do the things they they need to do to see if they want to, lease that property. But then you're going to need boots on the ground to actually, handle the listing side of things.   [00:13:09] Ben: Very cool.    [00:13:10] Jason Hull: So is this totally Uber-like in that you're just pulling anybody in, or I'm sure you have criteria for the photographers and for all these different people that you're bringing in to do these    [00:13:22] Ben: little pieces.    [00:13:23] Ben: Yeah. Yeah. We don't just hire any random person. I'd say it's definitely not Uber-like in that I think, we use-- it's technology enabled so that we can do those things quickly and can measure how fast we do them, right? I think just the fact that we know we get those properties set up in an average of 48 hours, I think is...    [00:13:42] Ben: Yeah.   [00:13:42] Ben: ...more than your average property manager would know, but we know that the tasks we're doing are tech enabled, but no we care a lot about those people that we choose and we try to find folks that have a lot of experience with real estate photography and then we teach them the other aspects of what we're trying to get done at that property.   [00:14:00] Jason Hull: Awesome. Yeah. Very cool. When a property is going to become vacant, are they able to leverage a system or does it have to be totally empty and rent ready and everything    [00:14:11] Ben: else?    [00:14:12] Ben: No. So yeah, no, they're able to use the system. It sounds like you're asking about pre-leasing.    [00:14:19] Ben: Yeah.   [00:14:20] Ben: Okay. Yes, pre-leasing can be really important I think in some markets. Yeah, that's definitely something we support. And let's say it's tenant occupied and we need to act and do an escorted showing, we have different agents on the ground that we partner with that are some of the most active in the area touring homes and renters. And so we'll tap into that network to do some.   [00:14:40] Jason Hull: Got it. Okay. Now what if they want get the property listed, they want to get photos, but there's a bunch of ugly furniture in there and ugly stuff. Do you guys let maybe-- BoxBrownie I've had on the show before-- digital editors and they're like, removing all this    [00:14:55] Ben: stuff?   [00:14:55] Ben: Yeah.    [00:14:56] Ben: Take the photos.   [00:14:56] Ben: Yeah, we do have digital editing in that regard, but depending on the degree of how much that home is messed up. That's also something that we do is that if we go out to a home and we think it's not show ready we'll document that and share it back with the property manager. And I think we've seen property managers really love that aspect of what we do because oftentimes they have a tough time holding the make ready folks accountable or let's say they're doing a renovation on the property. In particular, I can't tell you how many times that a property manager said, "Oh yeah, this was supposed to be done. And then when we went out there we were able to collect evidence that it wasn't right. That's also part of our system is that if the home is not actually ready to be marketed, and then, we're going to gather that information, share it back with the property manager, and then essentially remind them until that's resolved and as soon as it's resolved, then we can make the listing active. But it's a pretty valuable system and checks and balances that we have in place there.    [00:15:55] Jason Hull: Got it. So you'll communicate with them. Then the property manager can send out maintenance, get things taken care of, dealt with, and then report back to you and you're checking in with them, "Hey, is this ready yet? Is this ready yet?" And then they're like, "we got it ready." And then...    [00:16:08] Jason Hull: exactly.    [00:16:08] Jason Hull: Proceed.    [00:16:10] Jason Hull: Exactly.    [00:16:10] Jason Hull: So you've sent up the people, you've got the photos, you got like maybe a lockbox on, you got the yard sign, you've got the description. It's posted online. It's probably pushed out to multiple channels.   [00:16:19] Jason Hull: That's right.    [00:16:20] Jason Hull: Then next come the showings, right? And scheduling and all this. So how does that work and are you doing one-off showings? Are you doing open house model? What would it be found to be the most efficient? What comes next?    [00:16:35] Ben: Yeah. Yeah. So what we do is we usually set these properties up with a self showing system, and then renters are able to go tour the properties seven days a week from 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM and, we also have, a support team available those same hours, so 84 hours, we're ready to quickly text back any renters or answer any phone calls if, folks are having a tough time actually, accessing the home for any particular reason. Our system is really good. I'd say renters have a really good experience touring homes. Like any system, we're dealing with real world stuff. Sometimes maybe it could be a really humid day and maybe the maybe the door frame swells a bit or something, right? So maybe the door gets a little stuck. So the renter needs a little help to understand how to get in. Those are all things that I think us, having support team there available to talk to them and actually pick up the phone. I think is a really important thing. So that's just one of the many ways that we support tours. But I'd say one of the most important pieces of tours is actually collecting that tour feedback and sharing it with the owner after the fact. And so we have a really great system in place for that as well where a lot of renters will leave feedback just right within the place that they tour. And then we're actually able to take that feedback and then give it to display it on a webpage where then the property manager is able to share that webpage directly with their owner so they can actually watch the tours that are coming in and the tour feedback in real time. And we white label that for them. So you can imagine as a property manager, you just share this white label page with your logo and the owner's able to get a bird's eye view of how their home is performing on the market.    [00:18:21] Ben: Got it.    [00:18:22] Jason Hull: So could this be a scenario that the owner says, "I don't need to do this," and like the property manager says, "you need to do this. Like it'll get you more rent. People will have an issue with this place if you don't fix this or change this," and the owner's like, "no." And then they say, "look at the page, here's the white label page. It's got our brand, our logo, XYZ property management, and it says like, consistently feedback. Like the floor is too gross, or whatever."   [00:18:47] Ben: Yeah, "I would rent this home, but does it come with a fridge?" Just one way I've seen owners trying to cut some costs is like not putting refrigerators in the home. And then they see, three out of the five renters that tour the home mentioned "Hey, there's no fridge."    [00:19:00] Ben: "have to buy a fridge and I'll go somewhere else."   [00:19:03] Ben: Yeah, exactly. And that page really helps the property manager make their case to the owner and also show to them like, "Hey, we really are showing this property and this really is what the renters are saying.   [00:19:14] Ben: Cool.    [00:19:15] Jason Hull: Yeah, that's really cool. I like the feedback loops. So then, what's the next steps? You're doing showings, you're doing tours. Then I guess people are being pushed to apply when they're doing these tours by the system?    [00:19:27] Ben: Yeah, so we have a system, both to pre-qualify renters and to actually have them apply. As soon as they apply we're able to display those applications to the property manager. And we use the same page that we use to display tour feedback and also tracking the tours and the leads and everything. We use that same page then to actually show the applications to the property managers and to their owners. Because I know every property manager seems to have a different deal with each owner, right? Some of 'em, they want to run the application past their owner beforehand, or sometimes they're just the ones reviewing it. But either way, we display that information there so that both the property manager and the owner, are able to review the application before they decide to approve or not.   [00:20:14] Ben: Got it. So    [00:20:14] Jason Hull: they can either show this white label page that has the list of all the applicants or could they just say, "here's the one we recommend," and show that person's information?   [00:20:22] Jason Hull: Yeah.    [00:20:23] Ben: Yeah. It's usually the latter. Because it's trying to make it simpler. Yeah. It's usually just showing the one that they recommend. And at that point, we would've already done all of the vetting for that application. Even the manual steps of doing a verification of rental history, for example or a verification of employment. And we've actually seen just our application processing service. We've seen that to be so popular that we actually broke that out as something that a property manager could partner with us just on application processing, and that's also cool because we have a lot of tech to catch fraudulent renters. I'm sure you've probably heard about how fraud is on the rise especially with us entering recession. And I think it's just more likely that renters are going to try to fake pay stubs. Even some go as far as trying to fake their identity in different ways to try to get approved for a home that really are beyond their means. And so we've really, we've invested a lot into our application processing system. Doing things like being able to get their pay stubs directly from their payroll provider instead of having a way for them to upload their pay stubs, which could be photoshopped or something like that.    [00:21:35] Ben: Yeah.    [00:21:35] Ben: And then let's say a renter doesn't even have a job, or let's say a renter's, a self-employed or something, we have a way of actually pulling bank statements directly from their bank, instead of just receiving those bank statements and getting it uploaded. All that tech helps to really reduce the amount of fraud. And as for property managers as well, it's less work to actually investigate all those documents.   [00:21:59] Jason Hull: That's just technology and stuff a property manager can't do directly. They don't have the ability to pull directly from the bank their pay stubs, and it's not going to say, "here, let me give you my login to my bank account," and to pull directly from the employer. They don't usually have that ability really effectively either. There needs to be technology involved.   [00:22:18] Ben: Yeah.    [00:22:19] Ben: So we--   [00:22:20] Ben: --so what    [00:22:20] Jason Hull: about--    [00:22:20] Ben: oh, go ahead.    [00:22:20] Ben: I was just going to say, yeah, we recognize that you know most of what we've been talking about here is called our full service leasing, right? Where we actually become the leasing arm. But let's say, you've got leasing agents on your team and you think they're rock stars. You're happy with what's going on with your leasing. We could plug in and just do the application processing. We call that service, we call that Sunscreen, is what we call it. The idea is the quirky tagline that I came up with is, "Don't get burned by bad renters."   [00:22:47] Jason Hull: I like it. Little bit of sunscreen.    [00:22:51] Ben: Yeah, exactly.   [00:22:52] Ben: Okay.    [00:22:53] Jason Hull: So one of the questions I think some people will be asking is, what about pets? It's like a whole nother beast. Outside, inside pets and running pets and having pets, all this kind of stuff. Property managers tend to do best if they just convince owners to do pets. You're going to get more tenants, you're going to get more money. How do you deal with the pet side of    [00:23:11] Ben: things?    [00:23:12] Ben: Yeah, so at this point I'm sure most property managers have heard of pet screening.com. I think they're a great company. And so we actually integrate their data into our system. So if you're already signed up for pet screening.com. You can provide the pet screening.com login, and then we're able to pull that information into the application packet. So it's something that the owner and the property manager can consider as a part of the overall application. And, obviously pet screening.com does a really good job verifying things like our emotional support animal documentation. Is that legit? There's fraud around ESA documents. And that's just one of the pieces that they do. But yeah, that's something that we recommend whenever anyone is accepting pets.   [00:23:57] Ben: Very    [00:23:58] Jason Hull: cool. I like pet screening.com that I've had them on the show. I had another company that may be interesting to integrate with too on the show called our pet policy.com and they take things a step further on the protection side of things after the screening. So they go step beyond. So that might be interesting for you to take a look at integrating with as well.    [00:24:20] Jason Hull: Yeah.   [00:24:20] Jason Hull: Ourpetpolicy.com, they seem like a good group of people over there as well. So real quick, going back, you had mentioned AppFolio, Buildium, do you integrate with Rent Manager? Do you integrate with I don't know, there's some other things and some of these tools    [00:24:35] that    [00:24:35] Ben: people are using?   [00:24:37] Ben: Yeah. Great question. So it's pretty easy for us to get key information plugged into these softwares. And the reason is when someone partners with us, if you think about it, we really need to touch that property management software right when the home is when the home's coming up for lease, right? It needs to be listed. And then once the home gets leased, that's when that information needs to get back in the property management software again. So usually the way that our structure is, it doesn't really matter too much, which property management software you're. The system would be the same, where you would essentially create a user for us.   [00:25:15] Ben: So then once the home is getting leased, we know who's signing the lease. We're going to get their information set up within whatever property management software you use and make sure that it's set up for ongoing rent payments and things like that. It essentially, if you're using a property management software, but then you're going to use someone for leasing. But then once the home gets leased, it's going to be as if you had leased it through those other systems. And it's seamless in that way.    [00:25:39] Ben: Yeah. Very cool. So    [00:25:40] Jason Hull: you're PM    [00:25:41] Ben: software agnostic.    [00:25:42] Ben: Exactly. Yes. That's a much more succinct way of saying it. Thanks.   [00:25:47] Jason Hull: So that just means I've been doing this probably a long time. All right. So you've, you mentioned your solution. You've got the sunscreen that can be, pulled out just separately or if they're using the full leasing service. You've done the pre-qualification, you've got the applicant they can send over the white label thing to the owner. If the owner's like, "I really need to see what info you got." And you've tested out their pay stubs and their bank--   [00:26:11] Jason Hull: right    [00:26:12] Jason Hull: --stuff, and you've maybe connected the pet screening.com. What happens next? You've got    [00:26:17] Ben: a good applic--    [00:26:18] Ben: Yes. Yeah, so the property manager, the owner accepts the application. And at that point, we're going to reach out to the renter, say, "congrats, you've been accepted. Please now pay the security deposit." And as soon as they pay security deposit, then the owner or the property manager is able to connect their bank account, and that money will just automatically get deposited in whatever account that you specify. And then from a lease perspective, from really from the beginning of the process, we would've asked that you provide the preferred lease that you would like for us to use. We're going to get that lease drafted up and we're going to send it over to both the renter and the property manager. For some property managers, they like to review one last time before it gets sent to the renter. So we can fulfill that ask. And then the lease is going to get signed. And as soon as the lease gets signed, we will then dispatch our people back out to the property, do one final walkthrough, and also remove our yard sign and remove any other things that we had, any lock boxes or things like that we got setup. But we do one thing where we will leave a combo lockbox out at the property so that we can facilitate the renter actually moving in. So that's really the final and last step for our system, is facilitating to the renter actually getting the keys so that they have a smooth move in. And then the last step after all of that is we're going to survey the renter and make sure they had a great experience through the whole the whole leasing process.   [00:27:51] Jason Hull: And what's-- before we move on, because I'm curious like what difference you're noticing with these surveys, but let's say they don't accept somebody. What's the process? What happens to the rejects, so to speak? The tenants that didn't pass because a lot of times they're following up and bugging the property manager, "Hey, did you accept me? What's going on?" This sort of thing. What do you do?    [00:28:11] Ben: Yeah. So first of all, we shield the property manager from having to deal with all of that stuff. And I think for the position we're in, I think the natural thing is I think we would do what any other good property manager would do. We'd see if there's any other listings within that property manager that the renter would qualify for. First and foremost, we're going to recommend that of " There are these other listings for the same property manager" or, " do you like that?" And if the renter is not interested in any of those homes, then I think we would look broader to other listings that that are amongst our partners and say, "Hey, renter, maybe it would be better if you lease this property."   [00:28:48] Jason Hull: Yeah. That helps get the other properties filled. That's great.    [00:28:53] Ben: Yeah.    [00:28:53] Ben: Okay.    [00:28:53] Ben: And the renter's really happy too, because they don't have to pay an application fee again, so they're able to reuse their application.    [00:29:00] Jason Hull: Nice. Now what if you have two property managers in the same market and you get an applicant for one, are they completely segregated from being able to apply it to the other, or if they're in the Sunroom system,    [00:29:13] Ben: they can...   [00:29:14] Ben: Great question. Yeah. So we don't want to restrict where renters can apply, right? because that just doesn't make sense. But we have come across the scenario, it's been rare where renters have applied to multiple properties. And so what's really cool about our system is that we have a little disclaimer for the property manager where they can see, "hey, this renter's actually applied for multiple properties," and that way it's clear to them of " Hey, look, this renter is serious about your property, they are, they're hedging their bets," which, that's a common scenario especially in a hot market is if property managers are collecting multiple applicants on a single property, you can bet that the renters-- they know that. And so they're also applying to multiple properties. So I think we do our best to try to mitigate those scenarios. And I think one of the best ways to mitigate those scenarios is really just processing applications quickly and then, and working to get the renter and answer quickly around if they're accepted or denied. And, in most cases, I think renters are willing to tell you which one's their first choice. And so if you're able to process the application really quickly and drive it to decision, it doesn't happen too often where the owner comes back and wants to accept the renter and they've already decided to go somewhere else. It does occasionally, we try to mitigate that.    [00:30:28] Ben: Got it.    [00:30:28] Jason Hull: Okay, cool. So going back to the other path, I'm actually drawing this all out. I've got like a flow    [00:30:34] Ben: chart going on here.    [00:30:36] Ben: Sounds good. Keep    [00:30:37] Jason Hull: track.    [00:30:38] Jason Hull: So you surveyed the renter at the end, like you've got somebody in the property.    [00:30:43] Jason Hull: Yeah.   [00:30:43] Jason Hull: They've got a lockbox there. I think that's very cool. They can just go and "Can I move in on this day?" "Yep, here's the lockbox. You've got a code or however it works." And they can go get in.    [00:30:52] Jason Hull: Yeah.   [00:30:52] Jason Hull: And you don't have to show up. They can be there with their new U-Haul when they need to be there. That's super annoying, I think for property managers sometimes. And then afterwards you survey the renter. So I'm curious about the results of this. What's been the shift that people have noticed in the experience? This is why you started this in the beginning. You weren't having a great experience. Some people probably were like, "Drive to our office and you might get a key." Some people are like, "we can meet you maybe this day." It was like a mess. So what sort of feedback are you seeing on these surveys and what sort of shift are property management companies that are working with you noticing with your process versus trying to do this on their    [00:31:30] Ben: own?   [00:31:30] Ben: Yeah, great question. We collect what I would I consider a very important metric and I'm curious if it's come up before in this podcast. It's something called a net promoter score. Yeah. Have you discussed that before? I'm happy to--   [00:31:44] Ben: we    [00:31:44] Jason Hull: haven't really focused on that. But yeah, I think a lot of people are familiar. So net promoter score is when it says "on a scale of maybe zero to 10 or one to 10, how likely are you to recommend this company?" So a lot of people see this, the quick survey on software, different things like this.    [00:32:00] Ben: Yeah, that's right. And so when the net promoter score rank actually comes out, the scale is actually a minus a hundred to a plus 100. You could Google about how that works, but you're right. As a renter, what we would be asking them is, "how likely are you to recommend leasing a property to a friend through Sunroom or through x property management company?" And what we found is we just have a really good net promoter score. So if you could google this around, but the average net promoter score amongst property managers is a seven. And that's not on the zero to 10 scale. That's on the minus a hundred to the plus 100 scale, and. For the renters who lease a property through us, we have a 52 net promoter score.    [00:32:42] Ben: Nice.    [00:32:43] Ben: Yeah. So it's like what I said at the very beginning these renters are just a lot happier when they get in the home. For the property managers, they're seeing less really noisy renters when they first move in. I think that's a common thing that property managers are used to is that when a renter first moves in, that can be when they're talking the most or they're the noisiest. And so I think just anecdotally, property managers have said that, "Hey, these renters are just happier. They're just not causing as much commotion when they first move. And some of that has to do with our process too, right? Allowing renters to even self tour homes, it's a no pressure thing where they're able to really understand what they're buying before they move in. So I believe that helps as well.    [00:33:24] Jason Hull: This is the nerd in me coming out. So there's this really book called _Innovating Analytics_. And they put out this idea, basically the idea of the next generation of net promoter. They have used a lot of data to showcase and it's a little dry, but there's a lot of data to showcase the fundamental flaws of net promoter score, which is, has advantages over doing nothing, right? But then they talk about a new sort of score, which is the word of mouth index. And so we've incorporated that a bit into our business. It basically asks a second question, "how likely are you to discourage others from utilizing that?" Because what they found, just because somebody is not a true promoter, as they categorize them on the high end, like they choose like maybe a seven, eight, or nine or something, does not mean they're actually going to go hurt your business. And so a lot of big companies, they found were spending a lot of money to try and mitigate the people and pay attention to people and help the people they thought were detractors or people that would hurt their business when most of them really wouldn't. Just because it was a two or a three. They found that does not necessarily mean they're actually going to go actively try and destroy your business or hurt you. They just aren't going to tell people about it, because some people just don't want to talk about other businesses. Right? . So then asking a secondary question, how likely are you to tell others not to use this business or whatever. Then it gives you the true people to focus on mitigating or solving challenges for. Really interesting idea, but then they talk about the challenge of mainlining, where if they answer one question one way, first question, they'll answer it the same way, but it's backwards. Because they're just in the mode of answering questions like a zombie and they'll do it the wrong way or read it the wrong way. We've even seen this, so you have to put some questions in between and so it just complicates. But it's a really interesting book. You and I can geek out sometime and show you how I built this out so that it would work effectively, but it helps us identify which people are actually detractors that we need to take care of and focus on, and which people, they never rate anything positively and they're just, but they're quiet, which is fine.    [00:35:25] Jason Hull: Oh that's    [00:35:25] Ben: fascinating. I'll have to check that out.   [00:35:28] Jason Hull: I know, it's pretty nerdy. So_ Innovating Analytics_ is by Larry Freed F R E E D which is an interesting book. Cool. We've asked a lot of questions. You've explained the process. I think we've covered how it works unless we missed anything. But what else do people, property managers coming to you, what other concerns or things could we address here on the podcast before we wrap that they might have? Or what are the big FAQ questions that they ask before they're willing to explore giving up the leasing arm their business?    [00:36:00] Ben: Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of the questions just evolve around how they can still control the process. And so we've invested an incredible amount into giving them those controls, right? Like I think the key is, the way we look at it is look like we're going to be the best at doing this leasing legwork. It's all we do. And we've built technology to really hold ourselves accountable to really high standards. But at the end of the day, like we still want you to have control over who's the right tenant for this property? Or, "how would you like the that application process to go?" For example. And I think we've worked hard to streamline the areas and that, we just realized, hey, this is the best way to do this. But also we recognize that hey, these property managers, they have pride to process for a reason, right, for their particular market that might be the right thing to do. And so we've invested a lot in creating different settings and things like that, that can make it so that they get to use it the way they would like.    [00:37:03] Ben: Cool. So it's    [00:37:04] Jason Hull: really a lot of the big concerns are just about the flexibility. "Do I have to go all in and use everything that you offer?"   [00:37:10] Jason Hull: Right.   [00:37:11] Jason Hull: "Or can I do, some of this and maybe I'll give up pieces later--" because some of y'all entrepreneurs are control freaks. Let's be real.    [00:37:18] Jason Hull: Yes.    [00:37:18] Jason Hull: And you need to let go of some of this stuff and let somebody else do it a little bit better. We have a lot of egos, entrepreneurs. We think our way is the best way all the time and we need to see that maybe somebody else could do this    [00:37:31] Ben: better.    [00:37:31] Ben: But we've also, from    [00:37:32] Jason Hull: experience--   [00:37:33] Jason Hull: I'm guessing you're going to say that Sunroom probably does it better than what most property managers are doing.    [00:37:39] Ben: Better NPS scores?    [00:37:41] Ben: Yeah. I would just say that, some of the property managers that we've seen are the most excited to partner with us are definitely probably the ones listening to your podcast or it's the ones that want to grow. And, we have some great examples of that, right? There's one property manager that we started working with in Austin a couple years ago, and they started with 300 doors. And now I believe they're up to 800 doors. And so by them being able to just, focus on other things, they were able to grow pretty quickly. And because we recognize this and we're starting to set up in these new markets, we actually just this week launched a new program specifically for trying to find these property management companies that are really focused on growth. And so we actually launched this new growth program. That we just put on our website where property managers can apply for the program. And essentially this program if we accept them will actually give them-- and they partner with us-- we'll give them $10,000 to grow their business. And they can, they could use that money for-- or I'd say up to 10,000-- they can use that money for helping them grow. And really the only terms of it is that you're willing to partner with us on leasing to do that. And so we have different ideas of really how to use that money to grow. I know a lot of entrepreneurs already have those ideas and so that's why we yeah, we set up this new program.   [00:39:02] Jason Hull: Awesome. We should chat because we're really good at growing property management companies and yeah, I think there would be a good-- there. We'll chat later. We've also negotiated with most of the top vendors where we've got a hit list, but a lot of the top vendors we're negotiating best in class discounts just for our mastermind members.   [00:39:21] Ben: There you go.    [00:39:21] Jason Hull: So maybe that's something you and I can do with the Sunroom as well. So    [00:39:25] Jason Hull: Yeah .   [00:39:26] Jason Hull: If you're open, that's--   [00:39:27] Jason Hull: yeah. Cool.    [00:39:28] Jason Hull: We've got some big players on board already for some of these things, but I think it'd be really cool to see this is something new and I think it's innovative and it seems really exciting. So we'll we'll chat afterwards, cool. Is there anything else you want people to know before we go and if The last thing maybe is how do they find you? And how do they get in touch and how do they start working with Sunroom?    [00:39:49] Ben: Yeah. Just go to our website, Sunroomleasing.com. Fill out a little form. Be happy to have, someone from our sales team reach out and have a conversation and kind of explain more of these details about what we do. I'm an engineer at heart, so I think for some people, maybe I went into too much detail. But at the same time, knowing I've talked to a lot of property managers they love the details. If you want even more details yeah, go to our website, sunroomleasing.com. Reach out to us and someone from our sales team would love to dig into those details with you.    [00:40:18] Jason Hull: Perfect. I think the last big question everybody would have is be, is going to be what does it cost? Is this affordable? Can we do this? That sort of question. So--   [00:40:29] Jason Hull: yeah.   [00:40:29] Jason Hull: Anything to say about that?    [00:40:31] Ben: Yeah, so we're going to charge, similar to what I would say like other leasing agents would. So we're going to charge like a percentage of first month's rent. That percentage of first month's rent that we charge. It's going to be different depending on the market and depending on what kind of volume that you have. Normally, the way we are setting this up is that we usually make it so that the property manager can still make good money on leasing while still utilizing us for all of it. Property managers can charge a percentage of first month's rent to their owners. That could be different by market. We're usually going to charge, call it 10- 20% less than that so that they're able to still make money on the leasing, but still know that they have a best in class service for that happening. And so that's just for full service. For Sunscreen, that's actually free for property managers to use. And we just charge the renter an application fee. And so that's really the easiest way. If we said a lot of stuff today, people are like, "wow that's a little scary to adopt that big of a, have a company owning leasing." a great way to start to just build a relationship with us and start seeing what we could do would be to start utilizing our application processing system, which, really, it's going to be a really a low risk thing. Even if want to test out having us do one application on one listing or something, we'd be happy to do that.   [00:41:48] Ben: That's the    [00:41:49] Jason Hull: gateway drug. A little bit of Sunscreen, and then you're going to be like, "I want a whole room. I want the Sunroom now."   [00:41:54] Jason Hull: There you go. There you go.    [00:41:55] Jason Hull: "I don't want to deal with this anymore. I'm tired of putting the Sunscreen on. Yeah. Okay.    [00:41:59] Jason Hull: There you go.    [00:42:00] Jason Hull: Cool.    [00:42:01] Jason Hull: Yeah.    [00:42:01] Jason Hull: All right. Ben, it's been great having you on the show. Check out Sunroomleasing.com and then if you come up with some major developments or big shifts or changes, we'd love to have you back on the show. So thanks for being    [00:42:12] Ben: here.    [00:42:13] Ben: Thanks so much, Jason. And yeah, we'll have to meet up in Austin sometime.    [00:42:16] Ben: All right.    [00:42:18] Jason Hull: All right. Cool. Thanks, Ben.    [00:42:20] Jason Hull: Alright. Everybody, if you've been listening to this, we appreciate you listening to our podcast. We would really appreciate it if you left us a review in exchange. If you got value from this, that would mean a lot to us at DoorGrow and my team. We have been innovating and creating a lot of new stuff at DoorGrow. We've got some really cool stuff coming out. So if you have not been familiar with DoorGrow for a while, we've got some really cool things coming down that we are working on. You should get connected to do a sales call. Check us out at doorgrow.com. Reach out to us. You can reach out to us on any social media. And we would love to connect with you and share with you. We just released the DoorGrow Code, which is the first roadmap that really showcases how to go from zero to a thousand doors in as short of time period as possible. It shows you which things you need to do at which stage, at which door levels, and what questions you have, what major problems you have at each stage, and what you need to do in order to do things in the right order to get to the next level.   [00:43:22] Jason Hull: So if you've been at a similar door count for the last year or maybe two years or three years, maybe even kind feeling stuck or maybe even backsliding a little bit because of property selling off or whatever. We have clients that are adding a lot of doors. Andrew Rocha just chimed in on one of our mastermind calls. He's one of our clients. He added like 50 doors in the last month. We've got clients. One of our clients added 310 doors in a year. We've got another client that added a hundred in gosh, they've doubled their doors. Like we've got clients that are growing really rapidly and they're not spending any money on advertising. I want you to be clear, like our methods are not focused on SEO, pay per click, content marketing, pay-per-lead lead services, social media marketing. Our methods are what really work in the marketplace, and most of them are zero cost, like they cost nothing. It just costs time and effort, and it actually takes less time and less effort than doing cold lead marketing like seo, pay per click, content marketing, social media marketing, or pay per lead services that exist in the property management space. So I highly recommend you check this out if you're wanting to grow. And we are now helping really significantly. We've built out the best systems and processes and we've been stacking the best coaches in the industry. If you've heard of certain coaches in the industry, we might have them on as experts in our program. We'll be announcing more of that later, but we've got some of the best in the industry that we've brought on as coaches. So it's not the Jason Show. I've got an amazing team of people coaching and we have systems for operations. We have systems for process. We have systems for sales, and our clients are crushing it. Nobody in the marketplace is doing all that DoorGrow's doing or can compete with us. And so if you think you know DoorGrow and you've looked at us or judged us in the past, it might be time to take a new look because your competitors might be working with us or they might work with us, and you're going to wish that it had been you.   [00:45:33] Jason Hull: So until next time, to our mutual growth. Bye everyone.    [00:45:37] Jason Hull: You just listened to the #DoorGrowShow. We are building a community of the savviest property management entrepreneurs on the planet in the DoorGrowClub. Join your fellow DoorGrow Hackers at doorgrowclub.com. Listen, everyone is doing the same stuff. SEO, PPC, pay-per-lead content, social direct mail, and they still struggle to grow!    [00:46:05] Jason Hull: At DoorGrow, we solve your biggest challenge: getting deals and growing your business. Find out more at doorgrow.com. Find any show notes or links from today's episode on our blog doorgrow.com, and to get notified of future events and news subscribe to our newsletter at doorgrow.com/subscribe. Until next time, take what you learn and start DoorGrow Hacking your business and your life.

The Wise Talk Podcast and Pius XI partner yet again for a live special! The Wise Talk crew brings in Pius XI faculty members and Wise Talk contributors Jonathan Sain and Kevin Dineen. They also bring in special guests Jesse Stewart and Javi De La Vega and welcome Bryce Balistreri, Ben Doherty, Ramses Gonzales, and Enrique Jimenez-Carmona for their first episode as Wise Talk contributors! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/wise-talk-podcast/support

Ben Doherty hosts a special series on the Ben Roberts-Smith defamation trial. Australia's most-decorated living soldier is seeking to defend his reputation against reports in three newspapers that he says falsely accuse him of being a war criminal. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/infocus

Ben Roberts-Smith, Australia's most decorated living soldier, is seeking to defend his reputation against reports in three newspapers that he says falsely accuse him of being a war criminal. Ben Doherty reports. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/infocus

In June 2018, an SAS soldier known in this defamation trial as Person 18 says he received two threatening letters at his barracks in Perth. In their defence, the newspapers allege that these letters were written by Ben Roberts-Smith. He denies this outright. In this episode, Ben Doherty explains why the newspapers think these letters are important to their defence of this case and we hear testimony from Ben Roberts-Smith, as well as his former employee John McLeod and ex-wife Emma Roberts, who are witnesses for the newspapers, read by voice actors. We also hear closing arguments from both sides and from a defamation barrister about what this trial tells us about defamation law in Australia

In the aftermath of an attack on Australian soldiers by a rogue Afghan soldier, the SAS is sent to the Taliban-controlled village of Darwan. They arrive by helicopter at dawn, looking for Hekmatullah, the soldier who shot dead three of their comrades. It is during this raid, the newspapers allege in court as part of their defence, that Ben Roberts-Smith kicked an unarmed, handcuffed Afghan man off a cliff and then ordered another soldier to shoot him dead. Roberts-Smith denies this outright and says he and another soldier lawfully shot and killed a member of the Taliban they found hiding in a cornfield. In this episode of Ben Roberts-Smith v the media, Ben Doherty takes us through one of the key incidents under dispute in this extraordinary defamation trial – the raid of Darwan. And we hear evidence as presented in court by witnesses for Roberts-Smith and the newspapers in their defence, read by voice actors

An affair between Ben Roberts-Smith and a witness known to the court as Person 17 is one of the key contested elements of this extraordinary defamation trial. The newspapers as part of their defence allege that Roberts-Smith committed an act of domestic violence against Person 17. He denies this allegation, saying it is a complete fabrication. In this episode, host Ben Doherty takes us through both sides, detailing the breakdown of Roberts-Smith's marriage to Emma Roberts and his affair with Person 17. We hear testimony from Roberts-Smith himself, as well as from Person 17 and Emma Roberts – who appear for the newspapers – read by voice actors

On 12 April 2009, the SAS arrive in the village of Kakarak in Afghanistan's Uruzgan province. It's a Taliban stronghold where an Australian soldier was killed just a month earlier. It's here, in a compound known as Whiskey 108, that one of the most contested events in this extraordinary defamation trial takes place. In their defence, the newspapers allege that at Whiskey 108 Ben Roberts-Smith murdered an Afghan man with a prosthetic leg and ordered a junior member of his patrol to murder another Afghan man as part of a military ‘blooding' ritual. Roberts-Smith strenuously denies these claims and says the two men who were killed were legitimate engagements shot lawfully in the heat of battle. In this episode, Ben Doherty takes us inside the raid on Whiskey 108. We hear evidence presented by Ben Roberts-Smith and others who support his version of events, as well as witnesses for the newspapers, read by voice actors

In June 2018, an SAS soldier known in this defamation trial as Person 18 says he received two threatening letters at his barracks in Perth. In their defence, the newspapers allege that these letters were written by Ben Roberts-Smith. He denies this outright. In this episode, Ben Doherty explains why the newspapers think these letters are important to their defence of this case and we hear testimony from Ben Roberts-Smith, as well as his former employee John McLeod and ex-wife Emma Roberts, who are witnesses for the newspapers, read by voice actors. We also hear closing arguments from both sides and from a defamation barrister about what this trial tells us about defamation law in Australia

On 12 April 2009, the SAS arrive in the village of Kakarak in Afghanistan's Uruzgan province. It's a Taliban stronghold where an Australian soldier was killed just a month earlier. It's here, in a compound known as Whiskey 108, that one of the most contested events in this extraordinary defamation trial take place. In their defence, the newspapers allege that at Whiskey 108 Ben Roberts-Smith murdered an Afghan man with a prosthetic leg and ordered a junior member of his patrol to murder another Afghan man as part of a military ‘blooding' ritual. Roberts-Smith strenuously denies these claims and says the two men who were killed were legitimate engagements shot lawfully in the heat of battle. In this episode, Ben Doherty takes us inside the raid on Whiskey 108. We hear evidence presented by Ben Roberts-Smith and others who support his version of events, as well as witnesses for the newspapers, read by voice actors

An affair between Ben Roberts-Smith and a witness known to the court as Person 17 is one of the key contested elements of this extraordinary defamation trial. The newspapers as part of their defence allege that Roberts-Smith committed an act of domestic violence against Person 17. He denies this allegation, saying it is a complete fabrication. In this episode, host Ben Doherty takes us through both sides, detailing the breakdown of Roberts-Smith's marriage to Emma Roberts and his affair with Person 17. We hear testimony from Roberts-Smith himself, as well as from Person 17 and Emma Roberts – who appear for the newspapers – read by voice actors

In the aftermath of an attack on Australian soldiers by a rogue Afghan soldier, the SAS is sent to the Taliban-controlled village of Darwan. They arrive by helicopter at dawn, looking for Hekmatullah, the soldier who shot dead three of their comrades. It is during this raid, the newspapers allege in court as part of their defence, that Ben Roberts-Smith kicked an unarmed, handcuffed Afghan man off a cliff and then ordered another soldier to shoot him dead. Roberts-Smith denies this outright and says he and another soldier lawfully shot and killed a member of the Taliban they found hiding in a cornfield. In this episode of Ben Roberts-Smith v the media, Ben Doherty takes us through one of the key incidents under dispute in this extraordinary defamation trial – the raid of Darwan. And we hear evidence as presented in court by witnesses for Roberts-Smith and the newspapers in their defence, read by voice actors

A livestream panel event held on 24 May 2022 in the wake of the Australian federal election. Author and journalist David Marr leads a discussion about Australia's refugee policy, with Kaldor Centre Director Jane McAdam AO, author Abbas Nazari, and Guardian Australia journalist Ben Doherty. Abbas Nazari's memoir, 'After the Tampa: From Afghanistan to New Zealand' is published by Allen & Unwin and available from all good bookstores.

On friday's Tipp Today, Fran spoke to Johnny Looby about the week's news, Deirdre one of the listeners spoke to us about saving money on the food bill,Jenny spoke to us about climate change while Gus came on to give his views on Tony Holohan's salary. Ben Doherty from the Guardian joined us from Sydney to talk about the deluge of rain which is affected homes and businesses across Sydney, Paul spoke to us about his take on the health service, Frank Greney was at Conor McGregors court appearance on Thursday and gave us the lowdown, Andrew joined Fran in studio to talk about what the evolution of comedy and our friday Panel of Mark Small, Noel Buckley and Phil Prendergast picked apart the topics of the week.

Nine years after it was offered, Australia has accepted New Zealand's offer to resettle 450 refugees. While human rights advocates and the federal opposition have welcomed this announcement, they've also questioned the motivation and the timing – so close to the federal election. Guardian reporter Ben Doherty speaks to Laura Murphy-Oates about why the government took so long to accept the offer, and Behrouz Boochani – a journalist and refugee who was detained on Manus Island – discusses what refugees can expect from a life in New Zealand

Ben Doherty https://twitter.com/SpongeonMaster https://www.twitch.tv/pennydragongames https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCWws3fC3064StBNBjXeiM51yKG0ZiSno https://pennydragon.games/shop/ RPGs Mentioned Lost Mines of Phandelver (Start Set): https://amzn.to/34tbmYj D&D 5e: https://amzn.to/3zu1OaM Traveller: https://amzn.to/3ojZP4H Symbaroum: https://amzn.to/3AZjXhB Dark Sun: https://bit.ly/3L6avh0 Call of Cthulhu: https://amzn.to/3HCxe1C Caltrop Core: https://titanomachyrpg.itch.io/caltropcore Dungeon Master's Toolkit Links Website: https://dungeonmasterstoolkit.com/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/dungeonmasterstoolkit/ Discord: https://discord.gg/aZp4Qn96At Podcast: https://anchor.fm/dungeonmasterstoolkit Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4aTFTAnmJK3TDaTLdwdr9n Production Info Music: https://www.patreon.com/arcaneanthems/ Logo: https://game-icons.net/ Audio Mixing: https://vb-audio.com/Voicemeeter/banana.htm Audio Editing: https://www.audacityteam.org/ Video Editing: https://www.openshot.org/

Desic turned himself in to police in Sydney 30 years after escaping jail. Ben Doherty explores how his friends and family are pleading for the Australian government to show mercy and let him stay

Gifted as a cub by a maharajah to a young British boy, Singh lived at a house in Surrey before outgrowing his home and being driven in a black cab to the zoo. This surprising story by Ben Doherty is one of our best episodes from the Guardian Australia Reads podcast in 2021.

Mohammad Zaman Khadimi was forced to make an impossible choice as he fled the Taliban for sanctuary in Australia. In one of our best episodes from the Guardian Australia Reads podcast in 2021 – Ben Doherty tells the story of Khadimi, a young Hazara man who walked out of class one morning and into a world entirely changed

The Park hotel in Melbourne, which is being operated by the federal government as an alternative place of detention for refugees and asylum seekers, is currently the site of a Covid outbreak – with almost half of the detainees testing positive. It follows months of warnings from the Australian Medical Association and human rights organisations about the “high-risk environment” for transmission – and calls for all people held there to be released. Laura Murphy-Oates speaks to detained refugee Mustafa Salah, and reporter Ben Doherty about life inside the hotel as this outbreak spreads, and Australia's responsibility to keep these refugees safe

The Australian city of Sydney has emerged form a strict lockdown of almost four months. Fully vaccinated people have been enjoying cafés and bars as the city re-opened for the first time after more than 100 days in lockdown. Hairdressers and gyms have also been allowed to re-open in Australia's largest city. More than 90% of the New South Wales population aged 16 and over have received one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, with 73.5% double-jabbed. Ben Doherty - International affairs correspondent with The Guardian in Australia spoke to Michael on Tipp Today.

This is the first of two launch events to celebrate the release of the fourth edition of 'The Refugee in International Law' by the Kaldor Centre's Guy S Goodwin-Gill and Jane McAdam (together with Emma Dunlop). On 29 September 2021, authors Guy S Goodwin-Gill and Jane McAdam AO reflected on the many issues confronting the global protection regime at this moment, in a conversation with Guardian Australia's Ben Doherty, chaired by Kaldor Centre Advisory Committee member, Shukufa Tahiri.

Gifted as a cub by a maharajah to a young British boy, Singh lived at a house in Surrey before outgrowing his home and being driven in a black cab to the zoo. Head of news, Mike Ticher, recommends this surprising story by Ben Doherty

Mohammad Zaman Khadimi was forced to make an impossible choice as he fled the Taliban for sanctuary in Australia. Assistant news editor Shelley Hepworth recommends this profile by Ben Doherty about Khadimi, a young Hazara man who walked out of class one morning and into a world entirely changed

Our monthly segment The Pick, discusses what people who work within Australia's foreign affairs are listening to, watching and reading. Sometimes their choices focus on world events, but often their are surprise choices to suit everyone's tastes. This month's guests are Nicole Curato, Professor at the Centre for Deliberative Democracy and Global Governance at the University of Canberra and Ben Doherty, Guardian reporter and former foreign correspondent covering South-East Asia.

While the climate crisis and pandemic have – in some respects – heightened our sense of the truly international nature of the challenges we face, the human consequences of global instability are too often overlooked, and the horrors faced by displaced people around the world both taken for granted and invisible. Zoe Holman (Where the Water Ends), Behrouz Boochani (No Friend But the Mountains: Writing from Manus Prison), Adama Kamara from the Refugee Council of Australia, and human rights advocate Zaki Haidari speak with The Guardian's Ben Doherty about the struggle faced by so many to find a safe, permanent home.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ben Doherty is the Co-Founder and CEO of Sunroom Rentals, which helps renters lease apartments without brokers and assist real estate owners and investors to better manage leasing their properties. NextGen Venture Partners is a recent investor in the company. Ben sits down with NextGen Managing Partner Dan Mindus to discuss his journey from starting and selling food delivery company Favor to shifting into tech-enabling the process of renting a home. They also cover the growth of the real estate tech space broadly.

Guardian Australia reporter Ben Doherty looks at the history behind Australia’s asylum seeker policies, including the controversial practice of offshore processing and resettlement. It’s one of the options the British government is allegedly considering to deter asylum seekers from attempting to cross the Channel to the UK. Journalist Behrouz Boochani, who spent seven years in detention in Papua New Guinea, discusses the impact the policy has had. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/infocus

In today’s soundtrack special, David is joined by music composer Ben Doherty, to talk about his budding career in the art of scoring film projects as well as his top picks for the best movie scores.

Inclusion Zone was part of the Write Around the Murray program for 2019. Ben Doherty, Alice Pung, Arnold Zable and Amal Awad discuss racism, identity and belonging in Australia; the need to move beyond tokenism in our embrace of our diversity; and what it means to be a good human. Recorded: 13/09/2019 Write Around the Murray is an annual literary-based festival held in Albury. It brings together some of Australia's best authors and storytellers in a welcoming and relaxed environment. The diverse program includes author talks and workshops, art exhibitions, a poetry slam, writing competitions, WAM4Kids family events, and always an element of surprise. Many events are free or low cost and provide a unique opportunity for rural communities from NE Victoria, the Southern Riverina and beyond to not only listen to their favourite authors, storytellers and illustrators, but also to meet, greet and talk to them. Regular presenter Jason Steger describes the festival as “small and perfectly formed”. Past guests include Isobelle Carmody, Tim Flannery, Graeme Base, Benjamin Law, Graeme Simsion, Alison Lester and Jackie French. If you enjoyed this podcast please subscribe, give Write Around the Murray a 5 star rating and share it with your friends.

Scott Morrison has said of the pandemic, ‘we’re all in this together’ but his government has excluded more than 1 million people from assistance. Laura Murphy-Oates talks to some of those people and Ben Doherty analyses the government’s response.

Ben Doherty talks to Laura Murphy-Oates about how and when Australia could start to loosen social restrictions imposed to halt the spread of Covid-19 and what Australia can learn from countries that are already taking action

The coronavirus pandemic has left thousands of Australians stranded overseas. In countries like Peru, some are living under strict lockdown, facing months of uncertainty and fear. In this episode of Full Story, Ben Doherty explains why Australians are struggling to get home, and we hear from two people living in lockdown in Peru

In Season 3 Episode 3 of What's Killing My Kale, Natalie talked with Erin Johnson and Ben Doherty from Open Hands Farm. They discussed the ways that they have noticed the impacts of climate change on their farm, and strategies they're using for adaptation. This is the third episode in a mini series about how climate change is impacting our ability to grow fruits and vegetables in MN.You can listen to and download the episode here. What's Killing my Kale is also available on Apple Podcasts and FruitEdge. If you enjoy listening to our podcast, please leave a review on iTunes. As always, reach out and let us know if there are any topics you'd like us to cover in future episodes!

After being charged with espionage in 2018 and undergoing a secretive trial, University of Melbourne lecturer Dr Kylie Moore-Gilbert is serving a 10-year jail sentence in Iran. She claims the conditions she’s being held in are tantamount to torture. In this episode of Full Story, reporter Ben Doherty explains how she got there, and the complex history of Iran’s political prisoners

Charlottesville was not about speech but violence. In this episode I speak with Ben Doherty, the Head of Library Instruction and a Research Librarian at the University of Virginia School of Law, who discusses the events of August 2017 in light of the violence that occurred, and how a narrow focus on speech obscures the issues we still need to grapple with today.

US writer Meg Wolitzer on her novel The Female Persuasion, Arts News, Vale VS Naipaul, journalists turned novelists Megan Goldin and Ben Doherty on throwing away facts for fiction, Australian Booktubers Piera Forde and Jeann Wong on talking to readers via YouTube.

This week we look at Andrew Bolt's attack on immigration, the fall out from Sky News and that interview of Blair Cottrell, Buzzfeed's story on Emma Husar and ABC Life goes live. To help us navigate our way through all this we are joined by Ben Doherty from the Guardian, Kathleen Calderwood from the ABC and Cara Waters from the Age and SMH. Your host this week is Anthony Dockrill.

Speaker: Peter Greste Host: Ben Doherty Peter Greste is an award winning foreign correspondent who worked for Reuters, the BBC and Al Jazeera around the world, including London, Belgrade, Africa, South America and Afghanistan. Most recently however, he has become best known for his campaign for press freedom after enduring 400 days in a Cairo prison on charges of terrorism and producing fake news to undermine Egyptian national security. Peter will be joined in a conversation about press freedom and its importance for the future of democracy by three time Walkley Award-winning journalist Ben Doherty from the Guardian.

Ai Weiwei’s Law of the Journey, 2017, an imposing installation featuring a 60-metre-long boat crowded with hundreds of anonymous refugee figures, provokes this frank discussion of Australia’s response to asylum seekers arriving by boat – and today’s approach to refugees globally. What is the relevance of the 1951 Refugee Convention when more people have been forced to flee their homes now than at any time since the World War? How does international law influence domestic politics around the world? What are the repercussions of Australia’s bipartisan policy of offshore processing on Manus and Nauru, and is the country prepared to deal with current crises, such as the Rohingya exodus from Myanmar, or future pressures of people displaced by climate change? International legal expert Guy Goodwin-Gill of UNSW’s Kaldor Centre for International Refugee Law; lawyer and prize-winning Offshore author Madeline Gleeson; and award-winning Guardian journalist Ben Doherty talk law, policy, politics and solutions. The panel was moderated by Elaine Pearson, Australia Director, Human Rights Watch. Presented by the Biennale of Sydney and UNSW’s Kaldor Centre for International Refugee Law.

It's raining on Michael's last afternoon on Manus Island, and Aziz drops by to catch up. They discuss where things are at with Aziz and the other men, and what he expects will happen next. Then, it's time to say farewell. This episode will be the last of our short updates – but we'll return soon with another full episode, unpacking what Michael found when he visited Manus Island. 'If I can predict, the only thing that's gonna happen is we will be just forgotten in this island.' Abdul Aziz Muhamat Abdul Aziz Muhamat in Lorengau, Manus Island — Photo: Michael Green In this update Abdul Aziz Muhamat Michael Green Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes 'Please Gamelan Again' by Colleen, and 'Everybody Wants to Rule the World' by Tomoki Kanda. Further reading 'Second cohort of Nauru and Manus refugees to be resettled in US', by Ben Doherty, Guardian Australia, accessed 16 December 2017 'A Letter from Manus Island', by Behrouz Boochani, Saturday Paper, accessed 10 December 2017 More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre. This short update was edited and mixed by Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Rain comes. In his voice messages, Aziz sounds unwell – but speaks at length about how, in spite of their living conditions, the men finally feel they have some control over their lives. He tells Michael about how they're cooperating with each other, too – splitting duties like security and the daily cleaning of the compound. 'We don't always want to get the attention of the people about the hardship,' he explains. 'We are just paying the price for our freedom.' 'We are managing our lives. You know, it's been 21 days now, three weeks … it's become normal for us.' Abdul Aziz Muhamat Photo: Manus Alert In this update Abdul Aziz Muhamat Michael Green Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Further reading 'The situation is critical': cholera fears on Manus as water and medicine run out', by Ben Doherty, Guardian Australia, accessed 21 November 2017 'Refugees Trapped Far from Home, Farther from Deliverance', by Damien Cave, New York Times, accessed 21 November 2017 More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre. This short update was edited and mixed by Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Seventeen days into the stand-off with authorities, Aziz tells Michael about how men in the detention centre are dealing with the lack of water after tanks and wells were destroyed – as well as the men's medical needs, many arising from the ad hoc water supply. And with New Zealand's resettlement offer in the headlines, he reflects on why Australia has so far refused it. 'The tank is still empty, because it's been like, a few days we haven't had any rain.' Abdul Aziz Muhamat Photo: Manus Alert In this update Abdul Aziz Muhamat Michael Green Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Further reading 'NZ refugee offer stands, despite new allegations', by Mei Heron, Radio NZ, accessed 17 November 2017 'Decay, despair, defiance: inside the Manus Island refugee camp', by Ben Doherty, Guardian Australia, accessed 17 November 2017 'What Is Happening on Manus Island? The Detainee Crisis Explained', by Russell Goldman and Damien Cave, New York Times, accessed 17 November 2017 More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre. This short update was edited and mixed by Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How has Australia moved from a humanitarian approach to asylum seekers – and is there a way back? How is public opinion influenced by the actions and attitudes of politicians and the media? What impact can international law and the legal profession have? On 2 November, UNSW Law Alumni’s Look who’s talking series presented a fascinating discussion with: Historian and Asylum By Boat author Dr Claire Higgins; Guardian Australia journalist Ben Doherty; Scholar, barrister and Kaldor Centre Acting Director Prof. Guy S Goodwin-Gill; and Wotton + Kearney Partner Heidi Nash-Smith Moderator: Dean of UNSW Law Professor George Williams AO As leaders around the world balance populist pressure against an unprecedented number of refugees, our panel takes a closer look at the history of Australia’s asylum policy, and how it has been shaped by governments, law, and ever-changing public opinion. Our panel of experts explored what is needed for Australia to return to a humanitarian approach, and what impact the legal profession can have on improving policy and protecting the rights of asylum seekers.

Shashi Tharoor is an Indian politician and diplomat. His book, Inglorious Empire: What the British Did to India, considers the devastating legacy of British colonialism. He's in conversation with Guardian reporter Ben Doherty.

Aziz — Photo: Michael Green 'This place has become part of me. It runs in my blood.' Abdul Aziz Muhamat After seven long months in Port Moresby recovering from knee surgery, Aziz finally returns to Manus Island. He's overjoyed to be home in the detention centre – seeing his friends and sleeping in his old bed. But just as he returns, the Australian government begins shutting some of the centre's compounds – trying to force refugees to go home, or accept resettlement in Papua New Guinea. Aziz and the other detainees refuse to leave. When the compounds begin to close, hundreds of the men have been assessed for resettlement in America – yet hundreds more, like Aziz, haven't even started the process. This episode brings The Messenger into realtime. The closure of the Manus Island detention centre is expected to be complete by the end of October 2017. What will happen to the men who live there? Transcript A transcript of this episode is coming soon. Further reading • 'Commonwealth agrees to pay Manus Island detainees $70m in class action settlement' by Emma Younger and Loretta Florance, ABC News, accessed 28 September 2017 In this episode Abdul Aziz Muhamat Behrouz Boochani Michael Green Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes ‘Apt. A (!)' by cLOUDDEAD, ‘Parallelogram' by Electric Birds, ‘First Snow, Last Year' by Andrew Pekler, ‘Map of What is Effortless' by Telefon Tel Aviv, ‘Mdrmx' by Brothomstates, ‘Mascoma' by Trapist, ‘13' by SND, ‘Reeling Then Again' by Lori Scacco, ‘Not Growing Out Of Growing Into' by Rothko, ‘Shine' by Klara Lewis and ‘Up the Box' by Andy Stott. More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre. Narration by Michael Green. With reporting by Abdul Aziz Muhamat. Additional fact checking by the Guardian's Ben Doherty; transcription by Claire McGregor, Carolyn Turner, Eugenia Zoubtchenko and many more​. This episode was edited and mixed by Bec Fary and Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Abdul Aziz Muhamat and Michael Green on Manus Island — (Photo: Behrouz Boochani) 'Freedom is not free. You have to pay for it. And we pay; now we are paying for our freedoms.' Abdul Aziz Muhamat Just before Christmas of 2016, Aziz is transferred to Port Moresby for knee surgery. With better phone reception, Michael and Aziz share a long phone call in which they reflect on the year that's ending, the holiday season and the months since they met face to face on Manus Island. The change in Aziz's circumstances is only temporary, but it's still a change – and the call feels like a rare break in the clouds. But just two days later – on Christmas Day – Michael hears news that Aziz's friend and fellow Sudanese detainee, Faysal Ishak Ahmed, has died. Transcript Download a transcript of this episode here (Adobe PDF format). In this episode Abdul Aziz Muhamat Michael Green Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes ‘Passage' by Oren Ambarchi, ‘We Let the “S” Hang in the Air' by Brokeback, ‘Pulcinella' by Kazumasa Hashimoto, ‘How Now (1968) for Piano' by Philip Glass, ‘Meditation' by Lori Scacco, ‘Waltz for Aidan' by Mogwai, ‘Mandarinerna' by Kim Hiorthøy, ‘Future Light' by Nick Huggins, ‘Non Song' by To Rococo Rot, ‘Momento' by Murcof, ‘Initial Gesture Protraction' by Tortoise, ‘Trace' by Rhythm&Sound, ‘Under the Roof' by Colleen and ‘I Found the End' by Broadcast. More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre. Narration by Michael Green. With reporting by Abdul Aziz Muhamat. Additional fact checking by the Guardian's Ben Doherty; transcription by Claire McGregor, Carolyn Turner, Eugenia Zoubtchenko and many more​. This episode was edited and mixed by Bec Fary and Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A dominant display over Limerick City this afternoon at Maginn Park, guaranteed Derry City 3 points opening the gap on Shamrock Rovers. Some great passages of play and top notch passing and goals from McNamee, Patterson and Ben Doherty gave Derry ab accomplished display in front of the City faithful.

Behrouz and Aziz at Hauwei Island — (Photo: Michael Green) 'I'm excited because … for almost three years I haven't left the centre, and I was just locked inside there … Now, I'm walking on the streets – every two steps I take, I turn and I look behind me, like, "Where is the security guard?"' Abdul Aziz Muhamat It's July 2016. On the morning Michael flies to Manus Island, Aziz leaves the detention centre for the first time in nearly three years. In this episode, Aziz and Michael finally meet in person. Michael also meets some people from Manus Island, who explain how they feel about having the detention centre on their island. Together with Behrouz Boochani, a Kurdish journalist and detainee, Aziz and Michael take a boat to a nearby island to swim, eat together, and escape the shadow of the detention centre. For Aziz, it's an exhilarating time, full of new experiences and unexpected joys – but he knows it will soon come to an end. Featured videos The Messenger, Episode 8: Michael and Aziz discuss their meeting on Manus Island Watch In this short video, Michael and Aziz talk about their meeting in Lorengau – and what comes next for each of them The Messenger, Episode 8: Michael and Aziz on the boat to Hauwei Island.mp4 Watch Michael and Aziz on a boat trip to Hauwei Island, Manus Province, Papua New Guinea Behrouz Boochani's song from Manus prison Watch Behrouz Boochani's song from Manus prison Transcript A transcript of this episode is coming soon. Further reading ‘Welcome to Manus, the island that has been changed forever by Australian asylum-seeker policy' by Jo Chandler, Guardian, 16 December 2014 ‘They Call Me Immigration' by Omar Mohammed Jack, Inside Story, 5 April 2017 (excerpted from They Cannot Take the Sky: Stories from Detention, published by Allen and Unwin) In this episode Abdul Aziz Muhamat Behrouz Boochani Michael Green Benjamin Pokarup Rose Chris Allen Muan Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes ‘Capture the Flag' by Broken Social Scene, ‘Sensuous' by Cornelius, ‘The North Downs Dimension' by Broadcast, ‘Sop' by Monica Brooks, ‘Change' and ‘Humming Song 2' by Aoki Takamasa, Ogurusu Norihide and Takagi Masakatsu, ‘Super Botany' by Stereolab and Marumari, ‘Dust Rising' by Nick Huggins, ‘Kilvo' by Radian, ‘Han Brydde Sig Inte Om Att Stiga Upp, Hela Dagen Lät Han Nya Bilder Och Funderingar Komma Och Gå Som De Ville, Sov Lite Ibland Och Vaknade Igen Och Visste Inte Alls Vem Han Var. Det Var En Fridfull Och Mycket Spännande Dag' by Kim Hiorthøy, ‘Reminds Me of the Sun' by OBX and Sophia, ‘On' by Aphex Twin, ‘Exhale' by Adrian Klumpes and ‘The Last Farewell' by Roger Whittaker. More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre.Narration by Michael Green. With reporting by Abdul Aziz Muhamat. Additional fact checking by the Guardian's Ben Doherty; transcription by Claire McGregor, Carolyn Turner, Tiarne Cook and many more​. This episode was edited and mixed by Bec Fary and Jon Tjhia. Thank you Skye Hollingsworth for video editing, and Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

‘I have got energy, so … why can't I just keep in touch with the outside world?' Aziz Photo: Michael Green Even though Aziz is in detention, far away from both his home and from the country whose government is holding him, he's on his phone all day. He's sending messages to Michael, or he's on Facebook with friends and activists, or he's following the latest news in Australia. He's hyperconnected. But his connection to the outside world is complicated and, despite their constant communication, Michael and Aziz never really get to have a regular, real-time conversation. In this episode, Aziz observes his third Ramadan inside detention. Fasting during the day, he sends Michael messages late into the night. And, along with many of the men on Manus, the Australian federal election campaign raises Aziz's hopes. On election night, Aziz and his fellow detainees follow the news forensically to try to make sense of the result and what, if anything, it means for the future of the detention centre. Meanwhile, Michael investigates the possibility of travelling to Manus Island. Could they really meet face to face? Transcript A transcript of this episode is available here (Adobe PDF format). In this episode Abdul Aziz Muhamat Michael Green Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes ‘Nook & Cranny' and ‘Grandiflora' by Biosphere, ‘Pilot' by Markus Guentner, ‘Ba Ba' by Sigur Rós, ‘Our' by Actress, ‘Render 4' by Cologne Tape, ‘I Found the End' by Broadcast, ‘Them, Their' by Jan Jelinek, ‘Passage' by Oren Ambarchi and ‘Caroline' by the Babies, with sundry additional music by Jon Tjhia. More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre.Narration by Michael Green. With reporting by Abdul Aziz Muhamat. Additional fact checking by the Guardian's Ben Doherty; transcription by Claire McGregor, Tiarne Cook, Lina Lettau and many more​. This episode was edited and mixed by Bec Fary and Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

‘I'm just pretending … as if I'm preparing for a space journey, and the space journey, it takes many years.' Aziz After months of interviews, Aziz finally sits facing an immigration officer and an interpreter, about to find out whether he's been granted refugee status. But he's too angry to talk about that. What he'd rather know is why he's just spent weeks locked in a jail cell in Lorengau, before being abruptly released without charge. In this episode, Aziz tells Michael about the hunger strike that lead to his imprisonment, and why he continues to pursue big and small acts of resistance – despite the consequences. Transcript Download a transcript of this episode in Adobe PDF format. In this episode Abdul Aziz Muhamat Michael Green Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes ‘02-15-02' by Taylor Deupree and Kenneth Kirschner, ‘Ambient Head' by Atom Heart and Tetsu Inoue, ‘Variation for Oud and Synthesizer 2' and ‘Rhodes Viola Multiple' by Keith Fullerton Whitman, ‘Helix' by Radian, ‘There Are Other Worlds (They Have Not Told You Of)' by Jan Jelinek Avec The Exposures, ‘Plastic Energy Man' by Papa M, ‘People are Friends' by Biosphere, ‘Biokinetics 2' by Porter Ricks, ‘Pilot' by Markus Guentner, ‘Twenty' by Labradford, ‘Miracle to Fill My Life' by Abe Duque, ‘Changeling' by DJ Shadow, ‘Summa Afrique (Oren Ambarchi remix)' by Tape, and ‘We Let the “S” Hang in the Air' by Brokeback. More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre.Narration by Michael Green. With reporting by Abdul Aziz Muhamat. Additional fact checking by the Guardian's Ben Doherty; transcription by Claire McGregor, Tiarne Cook, Eugenia Zoubtchenko and many more​. This episode was edited and mixed by Bec Fary and Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Hani Abdile, and to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Stopping the boats. It's one of the most fraught topics in Australian politics, and most of the time it comes out in two soundbites: saving lives at sea, and securing our borders. Abdul Aziz Muhamat 'I was instructed to … select the children on the basis of how young they looked – because we wanted to send the message to people smuggling networks that even the youngest children were eligible for transfer to the island.' Greg Lake, former Director of Offshore Processing in the Department of Immigration In this episode, Aziz tells Michael what it actually feels like to make that journey, and why he made the decision to get on a boat bound for Australia. What was going through his mind? Did he know what he was getting himself into before he stepped onboard? Michael also speaks to somebody with a unique perspective to offer, because it was his job to stop the boats. Former immigration department official Greg Lake tells Michael about the extraordinary lengths he was asked to go to to carry out official government policy – and why he ultimately walked away from the task. Transcript Download a transcript of this episode in Adobe PDF format. In this episode Abdul Aziz Muhamat Michael Green Greg Lake, former Director of Offshore Processing, Department of Immigration Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes: ‘Kilvo' and ‘Ontario' by Radian, ‘Rhodes Viola Multiple' by Keith Fullerton Whitman, ‘Four-Day Interval' by Tortoise, ‘Outward' by Rhythm & Sound, ‘Plastic Energy Man' by Papa M, ‘Whitetail' by Low, ‘Mdrmx' by Brothomstates, ‘Malá Strana' by Gui Boratto, ‘Collapse of Materialists' by Forma, ‘Blau' by Ganger, ‘Guitars for Plants' by Mice Parade, ‘There Are Other Words (They Have Not Told You Of)' by Jan Jelinek and ‘On' by Aphex Twin. More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre.Narration by Michael Green. With reporting by Abdul Aziz Muhamat. Additional fact checking by the Guardian's Ben Doherty; transcription by Claire McGregor, Victoria Grey, Eugenia Zoubtchenko, Laura Mitchell and many more​. This episode was edited and mixed by Bec Fary and Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Cameron Ford, and to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A major ruling by the Papua New Guinea Supreme Court offers hope for Aziz – but, amidst the promise, the men receive devastating news from Nauru. Meanwhile, they're encouraged to accept the option to resettle in PNG. So why doesn't Aziz take it? Aziz, with his smuggled phone 'We don't know what next, but this is really one of the first good news that we ever heard.' Aziz When Aziz learns of Papua New Guinea's Supreme Court ruling that detention on Manus Island is illegal, he sends Michael messages describing his joy and excitement. But his elation soon turns to confusion as he and the other men understand they're anything but free. Meanwhile, news of two separate self-immolations in Nauru's centre reaches Manus – and hits Aziz hard. Aziz and the men are always being reminded of two options to end their detention: go home or resettle in PNG. We've already heard why he can't go home. Aziz describes the sometimes hostile relations with local Manusians – including the violent confrontation resulting in the widely-reported murder of his fellow detainee, Reza Berati – as well as some of the things detainees had been told about PNG in order to dissuade them from escaping. Aziz explains why he firmly believes that starting a new life there is neither safe nor possible … and reveals the other fundamentally important reason why he won't accept the offer to live in Papua New Guinea. Warning: This episode of The Messenger includes graphic content and mentions self-harm. If you or someone you know needs help, you can contact one of Australia's national 24/7 crisis services such as Lifeline on 13 11 14 or at lifeline.org.au, or the Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467. Transcript Download a transcript of this episode in PDF format. In this episode Abdul Aziz Muhamat Michael Green Ben Lomai, lawyer Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes: ‘There's Hell in Hello But More in Goodbye' by Jim O'Rourke, ‘Floating in the Clearest Night' and ‘The Heart Harmonicon' by Colleen, ‘Blue Milk' by Stereolab, ‘Sensuous' by Cornelius, ‘Cells That Smell Sounds' by Midori Haino, ‘Mala' Strana' by Gui Boratto, ‘The Flat Curving' by Brokeback, ‘Iberia Eterea' by Biosphere, ‘Niobe' by Caribou, ‘Intimate Geometry' by Anthea Caddy and Thembi Soddell, ‘Stars Aligned Webs Spun' by Oren Ambarchi, ‘Gong Meditation' by Cylob and ‘Forskjellige Gode Ting' by Kim Hiorthøy. More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre.Narration by Michael Green. With reporting by Abdul Aziz Muhamat. Additional fact checking by the Guardian's Ben Doherty; transcription by Claire McGregor, Victoria Grey, Camilla Chapman, Lena Lettau and many more​. This episode was edited and mixed by Bec Fary and Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Cameron Ford, and to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Aziz's life has been a story of chance – and choice. As Michael pieces together Aziz's journey from Sudan to Manus, he realises Aziz has been searching for a safe place for about eight years. So what gives him the ability, and the energy, to speak out? How has Aziz fought for so long, and what makes him want to be ‘the messenger'? ‘I'm pretending like I'm really happy, and laugh, and you know, smiling on the phones and doing stuff like that – so they feel like, “Oh, my son is really living in a good environment”. So they think like that, but the opposite is the truth.' Aziz Aziz tells Michael, ‘I have got some people ...waiting for me. They love me, they want me to be with them.' Haltingly, and sometimes with great difficulty, Aziz starts to share stories about his home, the family that he longs to see, and why he fled. Looking to find out more, Michael speaks to Sudan expert Anne Bartlett about the current situation there. As Aziz shares snapshots from his past, Anne talks Michael through the conflict in Sudan, which, despite leaving the headlines long ago, continues to unfold. Michael worries that he's adding to Aziz's trauma by digging up painful memories – ever aware of how hard it is to have these kinds of conversations in short, overlapping messages, without the benefit of reading someone's signals face to face. Meanwhile, Aziz weighs up how much to tell his family about Manus, and explains to Michael why he's sometimes tortured by regret. Warning: This episode of The Messenger includes graphic content and mentions self-harm. If you or someone you know needs help, you can contact one of Australia's national 24/7 crisis services such as Lifeline on 13 11 14 or at lifeline.org.au, or the Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467. Transcript Download a PDF transcript of this episode here. In this episode Abdul Aziz Muhamat Michael Green Associate Professor Anne Bartlett, University of New South Wales, President of the Sudan Studies Association Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes: 'Blue Milk' by Stereolab, 'Up the Box' by Andy Stott, 'Feld' by To Rococo Rot, 'Firefly' and 'Four-Day Interval' by Tortoise, 'Cutting Branches for a Temporary Shelter' by Penguin Cafe Orchestra, 'Ending' by Kazumasa Hashimoto, 'Remedios the Beauty' by Oren Ambarchi, 'Lazyboat' and 'Vostok' by Triosk, 'Passages' by Bowery Electric, 'Self Seal Mishap' by Tennis and 'Ba Ba' by Sigur Rós. More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind the Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre.Narration by Michael Green. With reporting by Abdul Aziz Muhamat. Additional fact checking by the Guardian's Ben Doherty; transcription by Claire McGregor, Victoria Grey, Camilla Chapman, Lena Lettau and many more​. This episode was edited and mixed by Bec Fary and Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Cameron Ford and Heidi Pett, and to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

As the world reacts to the Trump administration's new US border policies, Aziz's situation is as uncertain as ever, with no end in sight. Life on Manus grinds on.  ‘When we see someone who is just hurting himself or he is trying to commit suicide, sometimes you just drag yourself away because of not getting the pictures in your head.' Aziz In this episode, Aziz and Michael start to get to know each other – and Aziz begins to paint a picture for Michael of daily life in the detention centre.Where is it, and why is it there? What are the conditions really like, and what's it like to live there with more than 800 other men and no prospect of release?Back in Melbourne, Michael meets Aziz's friend John Zammit, a former Manus Island psychologist who shares his experiences of the detention centre, and his recollections of Aziz. With help from John, and from Aziz's many messages, Michael pieces together a sense of Aziz's daily routine, just as order in the camp gets turned upside down … Warning: This episode of The Messenger mentions suicide and self-harm. If you or someone you know needs help, you can contact one of Australia's national 24/7 crisis services such as Lifeline on 13 11 14 or at lifeline.org.au, or the Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467. Transcript Download a PDF transcript of this episode here. Further reading 'What Trump's Executive Order on Immigration Does – and Doesn't Do' by Krishnadev Calamur, Atlantic, accessed 30 January 2017 ‘US could resettle zero refugees from Manus and Nauru and still 'honour' deal' by Helen Davidson and Ben Doherty, Guardian, accessed 31 January 2017 In this episode Abdul Aziz Muhamat Michael Green John Zammit, former Manus Island psychologist Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes: '02-07-02', ‘03-19-02', ‘03-03-02' and ‘03-23-02' by Taylor Deupree and Kenneth Kirschner, ‘Nord' by Radian, ‘Organ in the Attic Sings the Blues' by Deadbeat, ‘Iberia Eteria' by Biosphere, ‘Forskjellige Gode Ting' and ‘Alt Maste Bli Anorlunda' by Kim Hiorthøy, ‘Mario Bava Sleeps In a Little Later Than He Expected To' and ‘What True Self? Feels Bogus, Let's Watch Jason X' by Chris Zabriskie, ‘Northern Maine Junction' by Chessie, ‘Pilot' by Markus Guentner, ‘So Quick, Bright Things Come to Confusion' by Because of Ghosts, ‘Stereo Music For Yamaha Disklavier Prototype, Electric Guitar, And Computer' by Keith Fullerton Whitman, ‘Transmission 2' by DJ Shadow, ‘Lips' by Plurabelle and ‘Burnt Klubgirl Lid Tone' by Nels Cline and Thurston Moore. More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind The Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre.Narration by Michael Green. Reporting by Abdul Aziz Muhamat. Additional fact checking by the Guardian's Ben Doherty; transcription by Claire McGregor, Victoria Grey, Marie-Louise Bethune, Julia Earley, and many more​. This episode was edited and mixed by Bec Fary and Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Cameron Ford and to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

As a journalist, Michael Green had spoken to a lot of people who've been held in detention centres. Some were there for a few weeks, and others for as long as six years. But he'd never spoken to someone who was still inside a detention centre, and that's because Australia's immigration department, and the governments of Nauru and Manus, have traditionally made it very difficult for journalists to communicate with detainees. Visitors aren't allowed to make recordings, and the people who came by boat weren't initially allowed to use their own phones. ‘Same day – or different day – same shit. But still alive.' Aziz Then, early last year, Michael was given the phone number of a man who was still in detention on Manus Island. His name was Aziz. He was from Sudan, and he had a smuggled phone. But that was all Michael knew. So he sent him a text message saying hello, and he asked if we could speak on the phone. Aziz wrote back saying the reception in his room was too weak for calls. Michael thought they'd have to communicate entirely by text. Then he realised that on WhatsApp, you can send little voice messages that get delivered whenever you're in range. And so, in March 2016, Michael and Aziz first made contact. Transcript Download a PDF transcript of this episode here. Further reading ‘Meet the Messenger of Manus, one man trapped in Australia's offshore processing regime' by Ben Doherty, Guardian, accessed 24 January 2017 ‘Broken Men in Paradise' by Roger Cohen, New York Times, accessed 23 January 2017 ‘Not always and only broken: some responses to Roger Cohen's New York Times article' by Janet Galbraith with Behrouz Boochani, The Stringer, accessed 23 January 2017 In this episode Abdul Aziz Muhamat Michael Green Our theme music was composed by Raya Slavin. Music used in this episode includes: ‘Mario Bava Sleeps In a Little Later Than He Expected To' and ‘What True Self? Feels Bogus, Let's Watch Jason X' by Chris Zabriskie, ‘Blau' by Ganger, ‘+' by Kazumasa Hashimoto, ‘Malá Strana' by Gui Boratto, ‘Open Melody' by Lucky Dragons and ‘Headlights' by Triosk. More information The Messenger is a co-production of Behind The Wire and the Wheeler Centre. It's produced by Michael Green, André Dao, Hannah Reich and Bec Fary, with Jon Tjhia and Sophie Black at the Wheeler Centre. Narration by Michael Green. Reporting by Abdul Aziz Muhamat. Additional fact checking by the Guardian's Ben Doherty; transcription by Claire McGregor, Celine Yap, Mia Tinkler, Ruby Wawn, Isobel Egan and many more​. This episode was edited and mixed by Bec Fary and Jon Tjhia. Thank you Dana Affleck, Angelica Neville and Sienna Merope. Also to Cameron Ford and Madeleine Egan and to Behind the Wire's many participants and volunteers. Behind the Wire is supported by the Bertha Foundation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Are democracies around the world slowly taking away the freedoms that keep them vibrant? While Australia and Japan have used metadata and secrecy laws to clamp down on leaks, the election of Donald Trump has thrown rights of the press into the spotlight. Japan correspondent Justin McCurry, immigration correspondent Ben Doherty and head of international news Jamie Wilson discuss the erosion of the media's ability to report on governments' actions in different parts of the world

In episode #127 we talk with Ben Doherty about setting up a local development environment with Vagrant. TOPICS: What is Vagrant Why would you consider using it? What are the benefits of vagrant vs *AMP Difference between Docker and Vagrant How do you install Vagrant Common Vagrant Commands How do you get a local environment setup When using GIT/IDE locally, where does the code sit? How does it work? More advanced uses/configuration Resources RESOURCES: Vagrant Boxes Search - https://atlas.hashicorp.com/boxes/search Vagrant Boxes Install - https://www.vagrantup.com/docs/boxes.html Drupal VM - https://www.drupalvm.com Docker - https://www.docker.com/

In partnership with 2SER 107.3, the WalkleyTalks podcast presents the latest episode of Fourth Estate. The Fourth Estate is a weekly program about the media featuring some of Australia’s leading journalists, broadcast live each Monday at 6.30pm on 2SER 107.3. This weeks' discussion: Asylum seeker stories have dominated the news in recent weeks but journalists have very little to go on due to the government's policy of restricting information on and access to asylum seekers. The panel discuss the ramifications of this policy and the importance of language in covering this issue. Plus, the Ian Thorpe interview, was it a disappointment? The panelists are: Antony Funnell, presenter Future Tense, ABC Radio National. Ben Doherty, senior reporter, Sydney Morning Herald. Sarah Morice, freelancer. Simon King, senior reporter and sports columnist, The Australian. Follow 2SER: www.facebook.com/2serfm www.twitter.com/2ser www.2ser.com Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of The Walkley Foundation

In partnership with 2SER 107.3, the WalkleyTalks podcast presents the latest episode of Fourth Estate. The Fourth Estate is a weekly program about the media featuring some of Australia’s leading journalists, broadcast live each Monday at 6.30pm on 2SER 107.3. A special episode of Fourth Estate with a panel of Walkley Young Australian Journalist of the Year Awards winners and finalists. We discuss what the awards mean to the panel and their thoughts on prospects for young journalists today. Plus, the ongoing dispute between the Mail Online and News Corp and young journalists involved, journalists still among the least trusted professions according to Reader's Digest and the breaking news of Peter Greste's seven year jail sentence. The panelists for this special episode are: Ben Doherty, SMH Anthony DeCeglie, Perth Now Alex McKinnon, Junkee Ben Collins, Business Insider Follow 2SER: www.facebook.com/2serfm www.twitter.com/2ser www.2ser.com Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of The Walkley Foundation