View that the story of Jesus is a piece of mythology
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3 episodes with jesus mythicism
3 episodes with jesus mythicism
3 episodes with jesus mythicism
2 episodes with jesus mythicism
2 episodes with jesus mythicism
2 episodes with jesus mythicism
Interview with the Godless Engineer. We discuss Jesus Mythicism, Creationism, Flat Earth and much more.Investing Skeptically - What percentage of money can you safely remove from your portfolio per year.
In this enlightening episode, our host continues his deep dive with the renowned Godless Engineer, exploring the intriguing subject of mythicism. Building on their previous conversation, they delve into the complexities of mythicism, examining the evidence and lack thereof for the historical existence of Jesus.Godless Engineer, also known as John, shares his insights on how early Jewish Christians might have reinterpreted existing scriptures to create the figure of Jesus, paralleling the development of other mystery cults of the time. They discuss the implications of Paul's writings, the influence of mystery cults, and the reinterpretation of Old Testament scriptures.Throughout the episode, our host and Godless Engineer address common objections and questions, including the argument that similar mystery cults were created by Satan to confuse believers. They also touch on the importance of critical thinking and the challenges of confronting deeply held beliefs with historical analysis.This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the historical roots of Christianity, the development of religious stories, and the application of critical thinking to religious claims. Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion that challenges conventional narratives and offers new perspectives on ancient beliefs.
John runs the YouTube Channel Godless Engineer. In this video, John and I discuss Jesus Mythicism. There is a little bit of explicit language at the 50:15 mark. John's Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@godlessengineer Follow John: https://twitter.com/GodlessEngineer -------------------------------- GIVING -------------------------------- Please consider becoming a Patron! Patreon (Thanks!): https://www.patreon.com/AdherentApologetics YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO8jj_CQwrRRwwwXBndo6nQ/join
What exactly does Orthodox Christianity understand is happening at the crucifixion regarding the incarnation and death of the Son of God? How can a timeless being die, etc.? Why is the Last Supper/Eucharist associated with Passover and not Yom Kippur? I don't understand how there could be an original group of Christians without an individual who prompted all of the enthusiasm about him being the Messiah in the first place. In other words, how did this concept (i.e. that Jesus - who had not liberated the Jews and had been killed by the Romans - was the Messiah) become so proliferated that there were numerous (and very different) ideas about who he was without an historical figure to inspire it all? How did you apply Wrede's “Messianic Secret” theory to Jesus Mythicism? Also, what might lead to the conclusion that Jesus was a revolutionary?
The idea of Caesar's Messiah, as taught by Joseph Atwill, claims that our Messiah is just a fictional character made up by the New Testament authors. Others claim ancient Rome invented him. We take a brief look at this notion of Caesar's Messiah and show how easily it's refuted.
While scholarly consensus (and my starting position) affirms a historical figure upon which the legends of Christianity are based, is that really the most likely explanation? Godless Engineer joins me to present the Minimal Facts Case for the Mythicism of Jesus.Godless Engineerhttps://www.youtube.com/c/godlessengineerJoin this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIS4cWaXgWpznjwovFYQBJQ/joinSupport Paulogia athttp://www.patreon.com/paulogiahttp://www.paypal.me/paulogiahttps://www.amazon.ca/hz/wishlist/ls/YTALNY19IBC8?ref_=wl_sharehttps://teespring.com/stores/paulogiaPaulogia Audio-Only-Version Podcasthttps://paulogia.buzzsprout.comFollow Paulogia athttp://www.twitter.com/paulogia0http://www.facebook.com/paulogia0https://discord.gg/BXbv7DSSupport the show
Today, I start answering a list of 100 questions for atheists. With such a large list, they run the gamut from "Why do you hate god?" to "Why do you believe in evilution?"Cards:Proof of Not God? An Atheist Claims to Falsify God:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LszC4yJa1X0The Case for Jesus Mythicism:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvv7uw5uZjIEvidence for Evolution Playlist:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLbOEx_k9dkdf5tqLmmC1o98WvyBYlGNkResponse to James Tour: 700 Papers and Still Clueless:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghJGnMwRHCsAll my various links can be found here:http://links.vicedrhino.com
Listen to our discussion with historian and atheist Tim O'Neil, founder of historyforatheists.com, on what he thinks about Jesus Mythicism and whether Jesus was a historical person or fictional character.Engage with Drew, Bill, and others in further discussion on this topic at our subreddit r/TheDividebyiPUBVisit iPUB.org/TheDivide to learn more about The Divide
My guest today is Derek Lambert, the presenter of the excellent Mythvision video channel. Derek has been kind enough to have me on his channel several times over the last two years to discuss atheist bad history in general and Jesus Mythicism in particular. But today we are going to hear from Derek about his very interesting personal journey regarding his thoughts and conclusions about the historical Jesus. As he'll detail for us, Derek began as a fundamentalist Christian, lost his belief, became an atheist and also became a Jesus Mythicist, coming to believe that there was no historical Jesus at all. But Derek displays an interesting combination of rigorous examination of the evidence, intellectual honesty and a remarkable open-mindedness. So he is always open to other people's views, generous in consideration of alternatives and unstinting in following where the evidence seems to lead.As a result of listening to and engaging with a wide range of scholars, Derek has come to reject Mythicism and now concludes that a historical Jesus most likely existed. And I was surprised and rather flattered to discover during our conversation that my articles on History for Atheists had something to do with this transition. We also discuss why he found Mythicism appealing and why he feels this fringe idea has a hold on many atheists despite being rejected by almost all scholars.So please enjoy my fascinating conversation with the always enthusiastic, upbeat and very interesting Derek Lambert.https://mythvisionpodcast.com/https://historyforatheists.com/jesus-mythicism/
The Nazareth to Nicaea podcast discusses the historical Jesus, the Christ of Faith, and everything in between. We look at the many texts and traditions, the stories and artifacts, the heroes and heretics of the christological controversies. We cover the debates, the doubts, and the dissenters about all things related to Jesus and the early church. This episode examines the topic of "Jesus Mythicism" the belief that Jesus did not exist. I give 9 reasons why I doubt Jesus mythicism. Otherwise keep up with me on: Twitter: @mbird12 Blog: michaelfbird.substack.com Recommended Reading Justin Meggitt, ‘“More Ingenious than Learned?” Examining the Quest for the Non-Historical Jesus,' NTS 65 (2019): 443-60. M. David Litwa, How the Gospels Became History: Jesus and Mediterranean Myths (New Haven, CN: Yale University Press, 2019). S. Byrskog, ‘The Historicity of Jesus: How Do We Know That Jesus Existed?', Handbook for the Study of the Historical Jesus (ed. T. Holmén and S. E. Porter; vols.; Leiden: Brill, 2010) 2183-2212. Daniel Gulotta, “A Response to Richard Carrier's On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt,” JSHJ (2017): 310-46. Maurice Casey, Jesus: Evidence and Argument or Mythicist Myths? (London: Bloomsbury, 2014). Bart Ehrman, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth (New York: Harper Collins, 2013).
Episode 42 – Show NotesAfter promising this for a while, at last we tackle Mythicism which in our context is the idea that Jesus never existed as a historical human being. None of us subscribe to the idea but we find it an interesting idea and movement to learn from, both in what they use as evidence and what kind of person believes in Mythicism. It leads us to question what we can actually determine about Jesus of Nazareth that isn't myth, either from Jewish or Greek/Roman stories and tropes. Some links:The discussion with Robyn Walsh on her new work about use of Roman tropes (or not) in the gospels, we had listened to it on the NT Pod:https://podacre.blogspot.com/2021/06/nt-pod-98-origins-of-early-christian.htmlThe book on use of material from the Old Testament such as Elijah and Elisha in the gospels:"Gospel Fictions" by Randel Helms 1988The BBC Radio 4 discussion on Agrippina the Younger“In Our Time” episode of 31 March 2016 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b074yzwkDoubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London
This week I do part three in a series exposing the lies of Jordan Maxwell, and his Asrotheology cronies. We hit on the modern origins of "The Astrological Ages" & clear up other common claims in Astrology. Of course we get into more on the bastardization of word origins used by occultists. I also tell you why i believe some of the New Age teachings lead to nihilism, & can lead to not caring about reality. So, let's do this. Time to get down that rabbit hole, far beyond the mainstream. Thank you Cheers, & Blessings “Is it true that astrology played a large part in the formation of Christianity as Ms. Murdock asserts? Noel Swerdlow is Professor of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago. He has specialized in the study of the practice of astronomy in antiquity through the 17th century. I emailed Dr. Swerdlow on this matter. Here is what he had to say on Ms. Murdock's view: “In antiquity, constellations were just groups of stars, and there were no borders separating the region of one from the region of another. In astrology, for computational purposes the zodiacal signs were taken as twelve arcs of 30 degrees measured from the vernal equinox. Because of the slow westward motion of the equinoxes and solstices, what we call the precession of the equinoxes, these did not correspond to the constellations with the same names. But . . . within which group of stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no astrological significance at all. The modern ideas about the Age of Pisces or the Age of Aquarius are based upon the location of the vernal equinox in the regions of the stars of those constellations. But the regions, the borders between, those constellations are a completely modern convention of the International Astronomical Union for the purpose of mapping . . . and never had any astrological significance. I hope this is helpful although in truth what this woman is claiming is so wacky that it is hardly worth answering.(5) So when this woman says that the Christian fish was a symbol of the ‘coming age of Pisces', she is saying something that no one would have thought of in antiquity because in which constellation of the fixed stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no significance and is entirely an idea of modern, I believe twentieth-century, astrology.” https://www.risenjesus.com/a-refutation-of-acharya-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy • I, the Odd Man Out am in no way affiliated with any of the researchers, & individuals from the sound clips of this episode. Anything i may have said does not reflect upon their character, or positions. I do implore you to watch their documentaries, listen to their podcasts, & read the information they have provided in response to the Zeitgeist films, & the Jordan Maxwell crew. We are very lucky to have intelligent researchers who have taken the time from their very busy lives to unearth critical responses to the Theosophical, & New Age points of view. Albert Mcilhenny-Profit of Zeitgeist, Critique of The Jesus Mythicism of Jordan Maxwell https://www.amazon.com/Prophet-Zeitgeist-Critique-Mythicism-Christian-ebook/dp/B008AV29OQ Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist The Farce https://www.amazon.com/ZEITGEIST-Mythicist-Phenomenon-Christian-Mythicism-ebook/dp/B0125U2YRE Steve Bancarz-The Second Coming of The New Age. https://www.amazon.com/Second-Coming-New-Age-Spirituality/dp/1948014114 Chris White-Mystery Babylon https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Babylon-Antichrist-Exposition-Revelation/dp/0615886523 Thank you for listening. God bless, & remember, “Their Order Is Not Our Order.” ****The name Arkanoah was taken from Manly P. Hall's Lecture on The Planets, & The Ancient Gods. ◦Where did Maxwell get his name? “There are three Trinities in the Nazarene system as well as in the Hindu philosophy… The third is Lord Jordan (Jordanus Maximus), the Water of Life. He is the one through whom alone we can be saved; and thus he answers to the Holy Ghost (the feminine principle) and to the Shekinah (veil), or spiritual garment of En-Soph.” Helena Blavatsky, Isis Unveiled ll. Jordan Maxwell, I have all of Blavatsky's Works- https://youtu.be/yf8VteSWyBE “Lord Ferho-the life which is no life-the Supreme God. The cause which produces the Light, or the Logos in abscondito. The water of “JORDANUS MAXIMUS” - the water of Life, or Ajar, the feminine principle.” HelenA Blavatsky- Unity in a trinity, enclosed within the ISH Amon.” Page 295 Two Cosmogonies Compared “Theosophy has become an integral part of the Zeitgeist—“the spirit of our time” John Alger -Theosophical Society Australia “Zeitgeist takes its name from the German word which means “time spirit” and means “the spirit of the age,” which ironically sum up the very “spirit of the antichrist” that is prophesied would to delude the world at the end of the age” (1 John 4:1-4). I highly urge you to look into the works of the people I play sound bites from on this episode. They spent a lot of time investigating these things with little, to no compensation. Chris White of Nowhere To Run- Zeitgeist Refuted https://youtu.be/Dha9MZugXqI Zeitgeist Addendum: Toward a Technocratic, Communitarian, Cybernated Society https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2013/11/28/zeitgeist-addendum-toward-a-technocratic-communitarian-cybernated-society/ Jordan Maxwell Refuted By Ben Stanhope• https://youtu.be/jYYzL6m-4UM Zeitgeist Refuted By Elliot Nesch https://youtu.be/7FwsnN4rm40 Zeitgeist Exposed By Keith Thompson https://youtu.be/h47hh-pfQKY Albert Mcilhenny-Prophet of Zeitgeist, A Critique of Jordan Maxwell https://youtu.be/7lI-dwDMhtc Keith Thompson- Aquarius, The Age of Evil https://archive.org/details/AquariusTheAgeOfEvil Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist, & Comparative Solar Religions https://youtu.be/azE5baeWTMk Steve Bancarz (Ex- New Age Teacher) Zeitgeist Debunked https://youtu.be/30AunYXtYDg Zeitgeist Exposed Pt.1 https://youtu.be/JuyIxKrw2Yk Chris White Answers Zeitgeist Documentary Makers Claims• https://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/ntr-the-real-zeitgeist-challenge-debunked/ Brief Summary, & Refutation of Claims Made In Zeitgeist•http://theologythinktank.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Apologetics_Session04_ClassNotes.pdf As Per Chris White: Gerald Massey was cited 31 times in Zeitgeist. Massey was a chief of the Ancient Order of Druids for 26 years!• Plutarch, who was used as a source on Horus, was a priest of Delphi. A religion that worshiped Horus! Interestingly enough, the Rand Corp created something called The Delphi Technique in which they use specific wording in front of crowds to trick them into thinking the ideas they want to implement are actually the audiences ideas.• Fabian Socialist, Edward Carpenter was one of Acharya's Inspirations For Zeitgeist, & her book as well.• Acharya S. & Peter Joesph explain, Virgin when it came to Isis, & other gods didn't mean the same thing in ancient times as today. As in, a female who'd never had sex. (Virgin Mary) They also changed their stories from Horus, & other gods being crucified on crosses well, they sometimes were depicted in cruciform, or essentially pictured with outstretched arms. Godfrey Higgins, who is considered one of the first Jesus Mythicists was a noted Freemason author. Manly P. Hall refers to him in several lectures. Look it up yourselves• The Fraud of Modern Theosophy PDF Book https://archive.org/details/1912MaskelyneFraudOfModernTheosophy Saga City-Jesus Was Horus Myth Debunked https://youtu.be/fk_gXe08zl8 Stop The NWO-Blavatsky, Zeitgeist, United Nations https://youtu.be/rZywYayLFwQ Chris Rosebrough of Fighting For The Faith-Debunking Zeitgeist• https://youtu.be/1NSlJETQDFU Amun-Ra was the chief of the Egyptian gods. In the early days of the Egyptian civilization, he was worshipped as two separate gods. Amun was the god who created the universe. Ra was the god of the sun and light, who traveled across the sky every day in a burning boat. Chris White Zeitgeist Addendum https://youtu.be/J09UVTZG01U Astrotheology Debunked• https://youtu.be/GqFbfTuie4s Skeptic Secular Refutation of Zeitgeist https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-02-25/#feature Chris White On Michael Tsarion https://youtu.be/Hb0i2nlku1o Archarya Ripped off Blavatsky https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Ben Stanhope Refutes Jaclyn Glenn https://youtu.be/XxQ2Cyx4QbQ Externalization of The Hierarchy Pt. 2 https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Jordan Maxwell Praises Socialist, Manly P. Hall https://youtu.be/3VwHy5TT7Co Jordan says the word “Cannibal” was derived the two words “Cana” as in, Canaan in the Bible, & Baal as a generic name for a pagan god they at one time worshiped. Another lie. This world didn't come about until the 1550's. Just one example of the many fallacies he proclaims. Again why? cannibal (n.) "human that eats human flesh," 1550s, from Spanish canibal, caribal "a savage, cannibal," from Caniba, Christopher Columbus' rendition of the Caribs' name for themselves (often given in modern transliterations as kalino or karina; s https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/zeitgeist-refuted/ https://crossexamined.org/whats-wrong-with-the-zeitgeist-movie/ Jordan Maxwell-Scam Master• https://youtu.be/n-sVaeDwG7A Jordan Maxwell Busted For International Driving Permits Scam https://freemandelusion.com/2018/07/20/winston-shrout-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell-Consumer Fraud• https://youtu.be/-ua_ZS7J048 Jordan Maxwell Explains The Scam• https://youtu.be/HwENONDZuZQ Jordan Maxwell A Freemason?• https://youtu.be/RfTprfkDztI Jordan Maxwell, Russell J. Pine https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/maxwell-jordan-et-al Jordan Maxwell Master Defrauder (text)• https://archive.is/6BWcO Jordan Maxwell False Teacher• https://therealtemple.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-jordan-maxwell.html?m=1 Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://www.reality-choice.org/42/who-is-jordan-maxwell Jordan Maxwell 'master defrauder' http://www.esotericonline.net/m/discussion?id=3204576%3ATopic%3A604489 Jordan Maxwell Court Cases https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2004/06/040617defaultjudgment.pdf Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://ppjg.me/2010/03/04/who-is-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell Exposed https://chaukeedaar.wordpress.com/tag/jordan-maxwell/ Odd Man Out Patreon https://www.patreon.com/theoddmanout Patreon-Welcome to The Society Of Cryptic Savants https://www.bitchute.com/video/C4PQuq0udPvJ/ All Odd Man Out Links https://linktr.ee/Theoddmanout Their Order Is Not Our Order!
Why do almost all scholars accept that a historical Jesus most likely existed? An overview of the reasons behind the consensus that there probably was a historical, human preacher behind the later stories of Jesus.For more on Jesus Mythicism and its problems, see:https://historyforatheists.com/jesus-mythicism/
This week i dive into the second part of the series on the claims of Jordan Maxwell, & other Astrotheologists, & expose more of their mistakes, & lies. Again, we revisit the works of the likes of Chris White from the Nowhere To Run Podcast, Albert Mcilhenny, Elliot Nesch, Keith Thompson, & Joel Mcdurmon to show the falsities of Maxwell, & his Zeitgeist devotees. We take a deeper look at Biblical texts, & ancient history, & try our best to clear up the various mystery school claims that are leading many into the Theosophical New Age/New World Order. Now, it's time to get down that rabbit hole, far beyond the mainstream. Thank you Cheers, & Blessings Where did Maxwell get his name? “There are three Trinities in the Nazarene system as well as in the Hindu philosophy… The third is Lord Jordan (Jordanus Maximus), the Water of Life. He is the one through whom alone we can be saved; and thus he answers to the Holy Ghost (the feminine principle) and to the Shekinah (veil), or spiritual garment of En-Soph.” Helena Blavatsky, Isis Unveiled ll. Jordan Maxwell, I have all of Blavatsky's Works- https://youtu.be/yf8VteSWyBE “Lord Ferho-the life which is no life-the Supreme God. The cause which produces the Light, or the Logos in abscondito. The water of “JORDANUS MAXIMUS” - the water of Life, or Ajar, the feminine principle.” HelenA Blavatsky- Unity in a trinity, enclosed within the ISH Amon.” Page 295 Two Cosmogonies Compared “Theosophy has become an integral part of the Zeitgeist—“the spirit of our time” John Alger -Theosophical Society Australia “Zeitgeist takes its name from the German word which means “time spirit” and means “the spirit of the age,” which ironically sum up the very “spirit of the antichrist” that is prophesied would to delude the world at the end of the age” (1 John 4:1-4). I highly urge you to look into the works of the people I play sound bites from on this episode. They spent a lot of time investigating these things with little, to no compensation. Chris White of Nowhere To Run- Zeitgeist Refuted https://youtu.be/Dha9MZugXqI Zeitgeist Addendum: Toward a Technocratic, Communitarian, Cybernated Society https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2013/11/28/zeitgeist-addendum-toward-a-technocratic-communitarian-cybernated-society/ Jordan Maxwell Refuted By Ben Stanhope• https://youtu.be/jYYzL6m-4UM Zeitgeist Refuted By Elliot Nesch https://youtu.be/7FwsnN4rm40 Zeitgeist Exposed By Keith Thompson https://youtu.be/h47hh-pfQKY Albert Mcilhenny-Prophet of Zeitgeist, A Critique of Jordan Maxwell https://youtu.be/7lI-dwDMhtc Keith Thompson- Aquarius, The Age of Evil https://archive.org/details/AquariusTheAgeOfEvil Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist, & Comparative Solar Religions https://youtu.be/azE5baeWTMk Steve Bancarz (Ex- New Age Teacher) Zeitgeist Debunked https://youtu.be/30AunYXtYDg Zeitgeist Exposed Pt.1 https://youtu.be/JuyIxKrw2Yk Chris White Answers Zeitgeist Documentary Makers Claims• https://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/ntr-the-real-zeitgeist-challenge-debunked/ Brief Summary, & Refutation of Claims Made In Zeitgeist• http://theologythinktank.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Apologetics_Session04_ClassNotes.pdf As Per Chris White: Gerald Massey was cited 31 times in Zeitgeist. Massey was a chief of the Ancient Order of Druids for 26 years!• Plutarch, who was used as a source on Horus, was a priest of Delphi. A religion that worshiped Horus! Interestingly enough, the Rand Corp created something called The Delphi Technique in which they use specific wording in front of crowds to trick them into thinking the ideas they want to implement are actually the audiences ideas.• Fabian Socialist, Edward Carpenter was one of Acharya's Inspirations For Zeitgeist, & her book as well.• Acharya S. & Peter Joesph explain, Virgin when it came to Isis, & other gods didn't mean the same thing in ancient times as today. As in, a female who'd never had sex. (Virgin Mary) They also changed their stories from Horus, & other gods being crucified on crosses well, they sometimes were depicted in cruciform, or essentially pictured with outstretched arms. Godfrey Higgins, who is considered one of the first Jesus Mythicists was a noted Freemason author. Manly P. Hall refers to him in several lectures. Look it up yourselves• Lascaux Cave Goats, Horses, Rams, Fish, Lions Astrotheologists say the zodiac hasn't changed in thousands of years except for Leo/Lion was the sphinx, & crab for Cancer was crab. Referring to Egyptian in Particular. He doesn't understand the long progress of the zodiac. One of the main things to remember w/ people like Jordan Maxwell, & other Astrotheologists such as a guy I heard on a show recently is that there's no rules, or method to the madness. They can draw lines to absolutely anything. Albert Pike even said in Morals, & Dogma that at one point, there were hundreds of degrees, & many had made up allegories, & connections that didn't even make sense, or had no real connections to Masonry allegorically, or literally. The Jordanus Maximus alumni are no different. I've never heard them take chapters, or verses into historical context. You can actually do what they do to a degree with any book fiction, or Non-fiction. Lascaux Cave Paintings• https://vimeo.com/40849516 Cave Paintings date back 14,500, years, not 40,000 like researcher claimed. He also said the writings on the walls were all the animals from the modern Zodiac, & In in the correct order, even though, that would date them back centuries before the Zodiac was completed. The cave drawings of animals such as bears, deer, impaled bison, bulls, & horses. Animals that would have been in the area at the time., “The walls and ceiling of the main room and several branching chambers create steep galleries, all of which were magnificently decorated with engraved, drawn, and painted figures dating from about 15,000 b.c.. Based on carbon-14 dating, as well as the fossil record of the animal species portrayed in the paintings, the Lascaux artwork dates from the Upper Paleolithic period. The type of lithic industry, or stone tools, found and depicted further identifies Lascaux as part of the Aurignacian (Perigordian) culture present in Europe from 15,000 to 13,000 b.c.” Hall of Bulls, red deer, various felines (many now extinct), horses, and bovids plus, a bird-headed man with an erect phallus. https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/prehistoric-cave-art-found-lascaux Suspicions About Gobekli Tepe• http://www.fakearchaeology.wiki/index.php/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe Excavators Doubt Göbekli Tepe Was An Astronomical Observatory• https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/gobekli-tepe-the-worlds-first-astronomical-observatory THE MYTH OF GOBEKLI TEPE: WHAT THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL FRINGE ISN'T TELLING YOU https://drmsh.com/the-myth-of-gobekli-tepe-what-the-archaeological-fringe-isnt-telling-you/ The claim is that Cain means spear, & the name is referring to the arrow. Cain In Hebrew Does Not Mean Spear. (Sagittarius)It's defined as: "possessing" or "acquiring. https://hebrew.learnoutlive.com/what-does-the-name-cain-mean/ https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7014.htm Jesus is not called: “A Fisher of Men.” He tells his disciples who are fishers, “I will make you fishers of men.” Meaning, fishers of souls, missionaries, testifiers, proselytes. The researcher claims the term “Pride (ḡā·'ō·wn in Hebrew)comes before the fall” from Proverbs 16:8 is a reference to the Zodiac sign for Leo, the Lion because, a pack of lions are called a pride. The actual verse is: “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” KJV Etymology of the word, “Pride.” https://www.etymonline.com/word/pride The Fraud of Modern Theosophy PDF Book https://archive.org/details/1912MaskelyneFraudOfModernTheosophy Saga City-Jesus Was Horus Myth Debunked https://youtu.be/fk_gXe08zl8 Stop The NWO-Blavatsky, Zeitgeist, United Nations https://youtu.be/rZywYayLFwQ Chris Rosebrough of Fighting For The Faith-Debunking Zeitgeist• https://youtu.be/1NSlJETQDFU Amun-Ra was the chief of the Egyptian gods. In the early days of the Egyptian civilization, he was worshipped as two separate gods. Amun was the god who created the universe. Ra was the god of the sun and light, who traveled across the sky every day in a burning boat. Chris White Zeitgeist Addendum https://youtu.be/J09UVTZG01U Astrotheology Debunked• https://youtu.be/GqFbfTuie4s Skeptic Secular Refutation of Zeitgeist https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-02-25/#feature Chris White On Michael Tsarion https://youtu.be/Hb0i2nlku1o Archarya Ripped off Blavatsky https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Ben Stanhope Refutes Jaclyn Glenn https://youtu.be/XxQ2Cyx4QbQ Externalization of The Hierarchy Pt. 2 https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Jordan Maxwell Praises Socialist, Manly P. Hall https://youtu.be/3VwHy5TT7Co Jordan says the word “Cannibal” was derived the two words “Cana” as in, Canaan in the Bible, & Baal as a generic name for a pagan god they at one time worshiped. Another lie. This world didn't come about until the 1550's. Just one example of the many fallacies he proclaims. Again why? cannibal (n.) "human that eats human flesh," 1550s, from Spanish canibal, caribal "a savage, cannibal," from Caniba, Christopher Columbus' rendition of the Caribs' name for themselves (often given in modern transliterations as kalino or karina; s https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/zeitgeist-refuted/ https://crossexamined.org/whats-wrong-with-the-zeitgeist-movie/ Jordan Maxwell-Scam Master• https://youtu.be/n-sVaeDwG7A Jordan Maxwell Busted For International Driving Permits Scam https://freemandelusion.com/2018/07/20/winston-shrout-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell-Consumer Fraud• https://youtu.be/-ua_ZS7J048 Jordan Maxwell Explains The Scam• https://youtu.be/HwENONDZuZQ Jordan Maxwell A Freemason?• https://youtu.be/RfTprfkDztI Jordan Maxwell, Russell J. Pine https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/maxwell-jordan-et-al Jordan Maxwell Master Defrauder (text)• https://archive.is/6BWcO Jordan Maxwell False Teacher• https://therealtemple.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-jordan-maxwell.html?m=1 Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://www.reality-choice.org/42/who-is-jordan-maxwell Jordan Maxwell 'master defrauder' http://www.esotericonline.net/m/discussion?id=3204576%3ATopic%3A604489 Jordan Maxwell Court Cases https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2004/06/040617defaultjudgment.pdf Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://ppjg.me/2010/03/04/who-is-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell Exposed https://chaukeedaar.wordpress.com/tag/jordan-maxwell/ “Is it true that astrology played a large part in the formation of Christianity as Ms. Murdock asserts? Noel Swerdlow is Professor of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago. He has specialized in the study of the practice of astronomy in antiquity through the 17th century. I emailed Dr. Swerdlow on this matter. Here is what he had to say on Ms. Murdock's view: “In antiquity, constellations were just groups of stars, and there were no borders separating the region of one from the region of another. In astrology, for computational purposes the zodiacal signs were taken as twelve arcs of 30 degrees measured from the vernal equinox. Because of the slow westward motion of the equinoxes and solstices, what we call the precession of the equinoxes, these did not correspond to the constellations with the same names. But . . . within which group of stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no astrological significance at all. The modern ideas about the Age of Pisces or the Age of Aquarius are based upon the location of the vernal equinox in the regions of the stars of those constellations. But the regions, the borders between, those constellations are a completely modern convention of the International Astronomical Union for the purpose of mapping . . . and never had any astrological significance. I hope this is helpful although in truth what this woman is claiming is so wacky that it is hardly worth answering.(5) So when this woman says that the Christian fish was a symbol of the ‘coming age of Pisces', she is saying something that no one would have thought of in antiquity because in which constellation of the fixed stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no significance and is entirely an idea of modern, I believe twentieth-century, astrology.” https://www.risenjesus.com/a-refutation-of-acharya-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy Disinformation Agents of the New World Order – David Icke, Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, etc. https://www.jamesjpn.net/conspiracy/disinformation-agents-of-the-new-worldly-order-david-icke-alex-jones-zeitgeist-etc/ Another claim In Zeitgeist was that Horus like Jesus, had 12 disciples.- According to most Egyptologists: Horus had four semi-gods that were followers. There is a legend that says Horus had 16 human followers and an unspecified number of blacksmiths that went into war with him. Nothing credible about 12 followers, or disciples.• Jesus Compared To Dionysus• http://www.stephenjbedard.com/2010/01/01/the-bacchae/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost Yet Another Jordan Maxwell UFO Encounter• https://youtu.be/ZIStjTu443Y Jordan Maxwell Out of Body Experience https://youtu.be/-nTwQjjL-ic Jordan Maxwell's Role In The New World Order http://redefininggod.com/2014/12/what-is-jordan-maxwells-role-in-the-new-world-order-rollout/ Manuscript Evidence For Jesus https://youtu.be/Uo70h_gGN8o Origins of The Cap, & Gown. (Nothing To Do With Saturn) The gowns were traditionally other colors (not just black, & they wore them because they were often in buildings without heat. https://www.graduationsource.com/blog/graduation-cap-and-gown-history/ Astrology Doesn't Work, & Never Did• https://www.zmescience.com/other/feature-post/astrology-doesnt-work-and-never-worked-heres-why/ Astrology and Horoscopes Uncloaked https://www.relativelyinteresting.com/astrology-and-horoscopes-debunked/?utm_source=org Debunking Astrology – The Planets Just Aren't That Into You https://ascienceenthusiast.com/the-planets-are-not-that-much-into-you/ A Complete Refutation of Astrology https://archive.org/details/acompleterefuta00moodgoog History of The Engagement Ring, or (Band) Nothing to do with Saturn. https://www.weddingbee.com/rings/the-history-of-engagement-rings-from-many-cultures/ History of Crowns - Origin and Symbolism of Crown (Nothing To Do With Rings of Saturn) The ancients obviously couldn't see the rings of Saturn from earth, & what were married couples going to do, wear square, or triangular rings on their fingers? A circle is an ancient sign of eternity. http://www.historyofhats.net/headgear-history/history-of-crowns/ Ben Stanhope https://independent.academia.edu/BenStanhope Chris White/Nowhere To Run Podcast (Please check out, & support his work) https://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/ Book of Jasher says Abraham did not worship the sun, moon, & stars• Battling B.S. - Jesus is not Krishna, and he isn't Mithra, and he isn't Horus,…etc https://theicidalmaniac.wordpress.com/tag/debunking-zeitgeist/ Is The Movie Zeitgeist Accurate? http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/movie-%E2%80%9Czeitgeist%E2%80%9D-accurate Bill Cooper Exposes Jordan Maxwell https://youtu.be/mp1IbAt2r8Q Kersey Graves Druid, Spiritualist, & The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors-The Secular Web- Source For Zeitgeist (Problems With His Claims) https://infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html The Non-Crucified Non-Saviors of the World http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?article=973 Edward Carpenter, Fabian Socialist, One of DM Murdoch's Sources for Zeiteist• Dr. Michael Heiser Website Dedicated To Refuting Claims of Zecharia Sitchin http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/ No Evidence For The Resurrection of Tammuz https://academic.oup.com/jss/article-abstract/XI/1/10/1728816 Jesus, No Relation To Esus http://www.chronarchy.com/esus/aboutesus.html The Freed Thinker | Interview with Albert McIlhenny on Podbean, check it out! https://www.podbean.com/ei/pb-wg2ca-57e493 Deeper Waters with Nick Peters | Against Jesus Mythicism on Podbean https://www.podbean.com/ei/dir-wc9s4-160f56c Mythicists Trying To Refute Nazareth https://jamesbishopblog.com/2020/10/11/jesus-mythicists-trying-to-refute-nazareth-the-case-of-rene-salm/ Zeitgeist Movement Exposed• https://zeitgeistmovementsbak.wordpress.com/category/the-zeitgeist-movie/page/2/ Madame Blavatsky's Baboon http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/blavatsky.htm Dr. Michael Heiser On Zecharia Sitchin, & Nibiru Hoax https://youtu.be/avivgDOAwA8 The Naked Truth claimed the word Amen, originated from the Greco-Roman Version of the Egyptian god Ammon, & in Egyptian Amun Ra, sometimes spelled Amen Ra. amen (interj.) Old English, from Late Latin amen, from Ecclesiastical Greek amen, from Hebrew amen "truth," used adverbially as an expression of agreement (as in Deuteronomy xxvii.26, I Kings i.36), from Semitic root a-m-n "to be trustworthy, confirm, support. 13th Century modern English Elliot Nesch Facebook• https://m.facebook.com/elliott.nesch Debunking Theosophy http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/jesus_myth.htm https://strangenotions.com/exploding-mithras-myth/ What is Jordan Maxwell's Role In the NWO? Do a recap of the many falsities• • I, the Odd Man Out am in no way affiliated with any of the researchers, & individuals from the sound clips of this episode. Anything i may have said does not reflect upon their character, or positions. I do implore you to watch their documentaries, listen to their podcasts, & read the information they have provided in response to the Zeitgeist films, & the Jordan Maxwell crew. We are very lucky to have intelligent researchers who have taken the time from their very busy lives to unearth critical responses to the Theosophical, & New Age points of view. Albert Mcilhenny-Profit of Zeitgeist, Critique of The Jesus Mythicism of Jordan Maxwell https://www.amazon.com/Prophet-Zeitgeist-Critique-Mythicism-Christian-ebook/dp/B008AV29OQ Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist The Farce https://www.amazon.com/ZEITGEIST-Mythicist-Phenomenon-Christian-Mythicism-ebook/dp/B0125U2YRE Steve Bancarz-The Second Coming of The New Age. https://www.amazon.com/Second-Coming-New-Age-Spirituality/dp/1948014114 Chris White-Mystery Babylon https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Babylon-Antichrist-Exposition-Revelation/dp/0615886523 ****The name Arkanoah was taken from Manly P. Hall's Lecture on The Planets, & The Ancient Gods. Odd Man Out Patreon https://www.patreon.com/theoddmanout Patreon-Welcome to The Society Of Cryptic Savants https://www.bitchute.com/video/C4PQuq0udPvJ/ All Odd Man Out Links https://linktr.ee/Theoddmanout “Their Order Is Not Our Order!
Taking a deeper look at Jordanus Maximus, The Naked Truth, Mythinfo Agents, & Astrotheology This is a show i've been wanting to do for years. Long before I started this podcast, I was reading Jordan Maxwell, & that eventually led me into investigating the truth of his claims. This episode will not be for everyone especially if you're a fan of Jordan Maxwell, & his Astrotheology disciples. If so, you'll hate it, but at least be honest enough to ask yourselves why? One thing to consider about his works: Yes, he was right about some things, especially concerning governments, banking, & new world order agendas, but those things had already been exposed years earlier by people like, William Guy Carr, Myron C. Fagan, Eustace Mullins, Gary Allen, Carroll Quigley, Anthony C. Sutton, Ralph Epperson, & even, Abbe Barruel, & John Robison decades earlier. The main question i have to ask: If Astrotheology is true, why would Maxwell, & the others have to lie about so many different things? Why the false connection to word origins from different languages formed in different time periods that have absolutely no relation? Why make up such silly stories about biblical texts, & ancient history that the world of secular scholars easily debunks? The people from the Bible lived in agrarian societies where they survived off the land. Of course, you would find fish, cows, & other animals that are included in the modern Zodiac. After all, it has some of those basic animals in it. As Albert Mcilhenny points out, Jesus is also called the Lion of The Tribe of Judah so, why not equate him w/ Leo? Why not divulge that many of your claims came straight from occultists like, Massey, & Higgins? Why would Jordan, lie, & act as if he isn't a big Blavatsky fan? He's openly claimed to have been a protege of late Rosicrucian/Freemason philosopher Manly P. Hall. BTW, Hall's estate has denied the fact. Why would the rest not admit that they are coming from a Theosophy/New Age standpoint? Jordan Maxwell, & his emissaries know full well that most people are ignorant of modern history, let alone, ancient history. They know most won't understand that much of the info they represent came from various occultists, & that modern research, & evidence has proven many of those claims to be incorrect. They counted on most to not understand how many of the stories from later antiquity were Hellenized to fit the narratives of the time. They also understood, those who are new to realizing things aren't quite the way they've been led to believe are easily thrown into pure nihilism. This makes them easy targets because they tend to grab onto others who are professing a knowledge of alternative facts, & they aren't yet equipped to discern truth from lies. Another interesting aspect to keep in mind, Blavatsky tried her hand at several different things before hooking up with Alcott, & getting the Theosophical Society going. She herself, was a Co-Mason, although like Jordan Maxwell, she took many shots at the higher degrees of Freemasonry. Perhaps, it's because, Theosophy, & Freemasonry were competing tribes, & initiates equaled money. Perhaps, it's just another way to create chaos through words, & throw the truth seekers off the the path. In any case, they were planning on their audience not investigating the truth about their claims. Many of which are easily refuted. I could go on, & on, but let's look further into it. Chris White points out that the idea that Jesus never existed didn't come about until the 17th century. Why would the Jews create a mythos around a god they didn't believe in, & who stood against many of their traditional, & overly legalistic values, & why would the Romans create a god that clearly posed a threat to them, & their leadership? Where did Maxwell get his name? “There are three Trinities in the Nazarene system as well as in the Hindu philosophy… The third is Lord Jordan (Jordanus Maximus), the Water of Life. He is the one through whom alone we can be saved; and thus he answers to the Holy Ghost (the feminine principle) and to the Shekinah (veil), or spiritual garment of En-Soph.” Helena Blavatsky, Isis Unveiled ll. Jordan Maxwell, I have all of Blavatsky's Works- https://youtu.be/yf8VteSWyBE “Lord Ferho-the life which is no life-the Supreme God. The cause which produces the Light, or the Logos in abscondito. The water of “JORDANUS MAXIMUS” - the water of Life, or Ajar, the feminine principle.” HelenA Blavatsky- Unity in a trinity, enclosed within the ISH Amon.” Page 295 Two Cosmogonies Compared “Theosophy has become an integral part of the Zeitgeist—“the spirit of our time” John Alger -Theosophical Society Australia “Zeitgeist takes its name from the German word which means “time spirit” and means “the spirit of the age,” which ironically sum up the very “spirit of the antichrist” that is prophesied would to delude the world at the end of the age” (1 John 4:1-4). I highly urge you to look into the works of the people I play sound bites from on this episode. They spent a lot of time investigating these things with little, to no compensation. Chris White of Nowhere To Run- Zeitgeist Refuted https://youtu.be/Dha9MZugXqI Zeitgeist Addendum: Toward a Technocratic, Communitarian, Cybernated Society https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2013/11/28/zeitgeist-addendum-toward-a-technocratic-communitarian-cybernated-society/ Jordan Maxwell Refuted By Ben Stanhope• https://youtu.be/jYYzL6m-4UM Zeitgeist Refuted By Elliot Nesch https://youtu.be/7FwsnN4rm40 Zeitgeist Exposed By Keith Thompson https://youtu.be/h47hh-pfQKY Albert Mcilhenny-Prophet of Zeitgeist, A Critique of Jordan Maxwell https://youtu.be/7lI-dwDMhtc Keith Thompson- Aquarius, The Age of Evil https://archive.org/details/AquariusTheAgeOfEvil Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist, & Comparative Solar Religions https://youtu.be/azE5baeWTMk Steve Bancarz (Ex- New Age Teacher) Zeitgeist Debunked https://youtu.be/30AunYXtYDg Zeitgeist Exposed Pt.1 https://youtu.be/JuyIxKrw2Yk Chris White Answers Zeitgeist Documentary Makers Claims• https://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/ntr-the-real-zeitgeist-challenge-debunked/ As Per Chris White: Gerald Massey was cited 31 times in Zeitgeist. Massey was a chief of the Ancient Order of Druids for 26 years!• Plutarch, who was used as a source on Horus, was a priest of Delphi. A religion that worshiped Horus! Interestingly enough, the Rand Corp created something called The Delphi Technique in which they use specific wording in front of crowds to trick them into thinking the ideas they want to implement are actually the people's ideas.• Fabian Socialist, Edward Carpenter was one of Acharya's Inspirations For Zeitgeist, & her book as well.• Acharya S. & Peter Joesph explain, Virgin when it came to Isis, & other gods didn't mean the same thing in ancient times as today. As in, a female who'd never had sex. (Virgin Mary) They also changed their stories from Horus, & other gods being crucified on crosses well, they sometimes were depicted in cruciform, or essentially pictured with outstretched arms. Godfrey Higgins, who is considered one of the first Jesus Mythicists was a noted Freemason author. Look it up yourselves• The Fraud of Modern Theosophy PDF Book https://archive.org/details/1912MaskelyneFraudOfModernTheosophy Saga City-Jesus Was Horus Myth Debunked https://youtu.be/fk_gXe08zl8 Stop The NWO-Blavatsky, Zeitgeist, United Nations https://youtu.be/rZywYayLFwQ Chris Rosebrough of Fighting For The Faith-Debunking Zeitgeist• https://youtu.be/1NSlJETQDFU Amun-Ra was the chief of the Egyptian gods. In the early days of the Egyptian civilization, he was worshipped as two separate gods. Amun was the god who created the universe. Ra was the god of the sun and light, who traveled across the sky every day in a burning boat. Chris White Zeitgeist Addendum https://youtu.be/J09UVTZG01U Astrotheology Debunked• https://youtu.be/GqFbfTuie4s Chris White On Michael Tsarion https://youtu.be/Hb0i2nlku1o Archarya Ripped off Blavatsky https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Ben Stanhope Refutes Jaclyn Glenn https://youtu.be/XxQ2Cyx4QbQ Externalization of The Hierarchy Pt. 2 https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Jordan Maxwell Praises Socialist, Manly P. Hall https://youtu.be/3VwHy5TT7Co Jordan says the word “Cannibal” was derived the two words “Cana” as in, Canaan in the Bible, & Baal as a generic name for a pagan god they at one time worshiped. Another lie. This world didn't come about until the 1550's. Just one example of the many fallacies he proclaims. Again why? cannibal (n.) "human that eats human flesh," 1550s, from Spanish canibal, caribal "a savage, cannibal," from Caniba, Christopher Columbus' rendition of the Caribs' name for themselves (often given in modern transliterations as kalino or karina; s https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/zeitgeist-refuted/ https://crossexamined.org/whats-wrong-with-the-zeitgeist-movie/ Jordan Maxwell-Scam Master• https://youtu.be/n-sVaeDwG7A Jordan Maxwell Busted For International Driving Permits Scam https://freemandelusion.com/2018/07/20/winston-shrout-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell-Consumer Fraud• https://youtu.be/-ua_ZS7J048 Jordan Maxwell Explains The Scam• https://youtu.be/HwENONDZuZQ Jordan Maxwell A Freemason?• https://youtu.be/RfTprfkDztI Jordan Maxwell, Russell J. Pine https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/maxwell-jordan-et-al Jordan Maxwell Master Defrauder (text)• https://archive.is/6BWcO Jordan Maxwell False Teacher• https://therealtemple.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-jordan-maxwell.html?m=1 Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://www.reality-choice.org/42/who-is-jordan-maxwell Jordan Maxwell 'master defrauder' http://www.esotericonline.net/m/discussion?id=3204576%3ATopic%3A604489 Jordan Maxwell Court Cases https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2004/06/040617defaultjudgment.pdf Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://ppjg.me/2010/03/04/who-is-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell Exposed https://chaukeedaar.wordpress.com/tag/jordan-maxwell/ “Is it true that astrology played a large part in the formation of Christianity as Ms. Murdock asserts? Noel Swerdlow is Professor of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago. He has specialized in the study of the practice of astronomy in antiquity through the 17th century. I emailed Dr. Swerdlow on this matter. Here is what he had to say on Ms. Murdock's view: In antiquity, constellations were just groups of stars, and there were no borders separating the region of one from the region of another. In astrology, for computational purposes the zodiacal signs were taken as twelve arcs of 30 degrees measured from the vernal equinox. Because of the slow westward motion of the equinoxes and solstices, what we call the precession of the equinoxes, these did not correspond to the constellations with the same names. But . . . within which group of stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no astrological significance at all. The modern ideas about the Age of Pisces or the Age of Aquarius are based upon the location of the vernal equinox in the regions of the stars of those constellations. But the regions, the borders between, those constellations are a completely modern convention of the International Astronomical Union for the purpose of mapping . . . and never had any astrological significance. I hope this is helpful although in truth what this woman is claiming is so wacky that it is hardly worth answering.(5) So when this woman says that the Christian fish was a symbol of the ‘coming age of Pisces', she is saying something that no one would have thought of in antiquity because in which constellation of the fixed stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no significance and is entirely an idea of modern, I believe twentieth-century, astrology.” https://www.risenjesus.com/a-refutation-of-acharya-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy Disinformation Agents of the New World Order – David Icke, Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, etc. https://www.jamesjpn.net/conspiracy/disinformation-agents-of-the-new-worldly-order-david-icke-alex-jones-zeitgeist-etc/ Another claim In Zeitgeist was that Horus like Jesus, had 12 disciples.- According to most Egyptologists, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers. There is a legend that says Horus had 16 human followers and an unspecified number of blacksmiths that went into war with him. Nothing credible about 12 followers, or disciples.• Jesus Compared To Dionysus• http://www.stephenjbedard.com/2010/01/01/the-bacchae/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost Yet Another Jordan Maxwell UFO Encounter• https://youtu.be/ZIStjTu443Y Jordan Maxwell Out of Body Experience https://youtu.be/-nTwQjjL-ic Jordan Maxwell's Role In The New World Order http://redefininggod.com/2014/12/what-is-jordan-maxwells-role-in-the-new-world-order-rollout/ Manuscript Evidence For Jesus https://youtu.be/Uo70h_gGN8o Origins of The Cap, & Gown. (Nothing To Do With Saturn) The gowns were traditionally other colors, & they wore them because they were often in buildings without heat. https://www.graduationsource.com/blog/graduation-cap-and-gown-history/ Astrology Doesn't Work, & Never Did• https://www.zmescience.com/other/feature-post/astrology-doesnt-work-and-never-worked-heres-why/ Astrology and Horoscopes Uncloaked https://www.relativelyinteresting.com/astrology-and-horoscopes-debunked/?utm_source=org Debunking Astrology – The Planets Just Aren't That Into You https://ascienceenthusiast.com/the-planets-are-not-that-much-into-you/ A Complete Refutation of Astrology https://archive.org/details/acompleterefuta00moodgoog History of The Engagement Ring, or (Band) https://www.weddingbee.com/rings/the-history-of-engagement-rings-from-many-cultures/ History of Crowns - Origin and Symbolism of Crown (Nothing To Do With Rings of Saturn) The ancients obviously couldn't see the rings of Saturn from earth, & what were married couples going to do, wear square, or triangular rings on their fingers? A circle is an ancient sign of eternity. http://www.historyofhats.net/headgear-history/history-of-crowns/ Ben Stanhope https://independent.academia.edu/BenStanhope Chris White/Nowhere To Run Podcast (Please check out, & support his work) https://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/ Book of Jasher says Abraham did not worship the sun, moon, & stars• Battling B.S. - Jesus is not Krishna, and he isn't Mithra, and he isn't Horus,…etc https://theicidalmaniac.wordpress.com/tag/debunking-zeitgeist/ Is The Movie Zeitgeist Accurate? http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/movie-%E2%80%9Czeitgeist%E2%80%9D-accurate Bill Cooper Exposes Jordan Maxwell https://youtu.be/mp1IbAt2r8Q Kersey Graves Druid, Spiritualist, & The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors-The Secular Web- Source For Zeitgeist (Problems With His Claims) https://infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html The Non-Crucified Non-Saviors of the World http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?article=973 Edward Carpenter, Fabian Socialist, One of DM Murdoch's Sources for Zeiteist• Dr. Michael Heiser Website Dedicated To Refuting Claims of Zecharia Sitchin http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/ No Evidence For The Resurrection of Tammuz https://academic.oup.com/jss/article-abstract/XI/1/10/1728816 Jesus, No Relation To Esus http://www.chronarchy.com/esus/aboutesus.html The Freed Thinker | Interview with Albert McIlhenny on Podbean, check it out! https://www.podbean.com/ei/pb-wg2ca-57e493 Deeper Waters with Nick Peters | Against Jesus Mythicism on Podbean https://www.podbean.com/ei/dir-wc9s4-160f56c Mythicists Trying To Refute Nazareth https://jamesbishopblog.com/2020/10/11/jesus-mythicists-trying-to-refute-nazareth-the-case-of-rene-salm/ Zeitgeist Movement Exposed• https://zeitgeistmovementsbak.wordpress.com/category/the-zeitgeist-movie/page/2/ Madame Blavatsky's Baboon http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/blavatsky.htm Dr. Michael Heiser On Zecharia Sitchin, & Nibiru Hoax https://youtu.be/avivgDOAwA8 The Naked Truth claimed the word Amen, originated from the Greco-Roman Version of the Egyptian god Ammon, & in Egyptian Amun Ra, sometimes spelled Amen Ra. amen (interj.) Old English, from Late Latin amen, from Ecclesiastical Greek amen, from Hebrew amen "truth," used adverbially as an expression of agreement (as in Deuteronomy xxvii.26, I Kings i.36), from Semitic root a-m-n "to be trustworthy, confirm, support. 13th Century modern English Elliot Nesch Facebook• https://m.facebook.com/elliott.nesch Debunking Theosophy http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/jesus_myth.htm https://strangenotions.com/exploding-mithras-myth/ What is Jordan Maxwell's Role In the NWO? Do a recap of the many falsities• • I, the Odd Man Out am in no way affiliated with any of the researchers, & individuals from the sound clips of this episode. Anything i may have said does not reflect upon their character, or positions. I do implore you to watch their documentaries, listen to their podcasts, & read the information they have provided in response to the Zeitgeist films, & the Jordan Maxwell crew. We are very lucky to have intelligent researchers who have taken the time from their very busy lives to unearth critical responses to the Theosophical, & New Age points of view. Albert Mcilhenny-Profit of Zeitgeist, Critique of The Jesus Mythicism of Jordan Maxwell https://www.amazon.com/Prophet-Zeitgeist-Critique-Mythicism-Christian-ebook/dp/B008AV29OQ Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist The Farce https://www.amazon.com/ZEITGEIST-Mythicist-Phenomenon-Christian-Mythicism-ebook/dp/B0125U2YRE Steve Bancarz-The Second Coming of The New Age. https://www.amazon.com/Second-Coming-New-Age-Spirituality/dp/1948014114 Chris White-Mystery Babylon https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Babylon-Antichrist-Exposition-Revelation/dp/0615886523 Thank you for listening. God bless, & remember, “Their Order Is Not Our Order.”
In today's episode we discuss Jesus Mythicism with Jonathan Burke. This episode was also made into a would YouTube video by Jonathan Burke, which can be found here. A special thanks to Jonathan Burke for the editing of this episode. Book Discussed Living on the Edge Where to Find the Guest YouTube Academia Profile Previous Episodes Episode 1
In this episode Trent explains the history of the movement that denies Jesus existed and answers their objections to the evidence for the historical existence of Jesus of Nazareth.
Dave and I spend a lot of time trying to dispel myths about philosophy, that it is dead, and common atheist statements and the like. It’s one of the reasons we do the podcast and have started doing these videos. Tonight we are joined by another atheist who has similar troubles, except instead of philosophy... Read More
John Gleason (Godless Engineer) joins the show to discuss his de-conversion from Christianity to atheism and Jesus Mythicism. To watch the bonus segment where we discuss the coronavirus and John's job as an engineer, follow the patreon link below and become a supporter. Links Support Help Me Believe https://www.patreon.com/helpmebelieve Godless Engineer: https://www.youtube.com/user/godlessengineer Haden's Books: https://amzn.to/2sO5PFO Podcast: https://apple.co/2MG2SP2 Blog: https://helpmebelieveblog.com/ Social Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/helpmebelieveblog/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/helpme_believe Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/helpmebelieveblog/
[Explicit Language] Haden responds to Godless Engineer on Jesus Mythicism. Links Support Help Me Believe https://www.patreon.com/helpmebelieve Godless Engineer's Response Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UY-eInTdTE&t=533s "Can We Trust the Gospels?" - Peter Williams: https://amzn.to/3c1Z8W0 "Jesus and the Eyewitnesses" - Richard Bauckham https://amzn.to/2vVGDlo Godless Engineer vs. Inspiring Philosophy on Jesus' Existence: https://bit.ly/2v19KUt My Video on the Objections to the Traditional Authorship of the Gospels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGNdZYa-Cbo&t=44s Haden's Books: https://amzn.to/2sO5PFO Podcast: https://apple.co/2MG2SP2 Blog: https://helpmebelieveblog.com/ Social Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/helpmebelieveblog/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/helpme_believe Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/helpmebelieveblog/
In this episode I give some critical comments about the method and argumentation of Alex O'Conner (CosmicSkeptic) in his recent debate with Jonathan McLatchie. The basic points of contention - his failed epistemological standard and use of hyperskepticism as a method, and his advancement of the failed thesis of Jesus Mythicism and unchecked parroting of arguments made by the likes of unemployed blogger, Richard Carrier. Enjoy the show!
Robert Stanley of the Right to Reason Podcast hosts both Dale (Christian/Jesus Historicist)and Kevin Francis (atheist/Jesus Mythicist from the Left at the Valley Podcast) to discuss the subject of Jesus Mythicism- did Jesus really exist or not? Listen and find out!
In Part 1 of this series on Jesus Mythicism, I evaluate the evidence from 4-5 ancient historians; Thallus & Phlegon, Cornelius Tacitus, Suetonius and Flavius Josephus to see if they can provide positive proof that an historical Jesus probably did exist. Do any of them accomplish this aim?- Based on at least 2/5 of these ancient historians, the answer is a resounding "Yes"!
David makes a case for Jesus Mythicism. But it is not necessarily the case you are expecting. Does he have a point? Let's find out.
Today we are posting the really fascinating discussion that we had with Dr Richard Carrier about Jesus Mythicism. Some or all of this conversation may have been influenced by Mr Jameson's Finest Podcast Juice but it was a lot of fun. Richard Carrier is a world-renowned author and speaker. As a professional historian, published philosopher, and prominent defender of the American freethought movement, Dr. Carrier has appeared across the U.S., Canada and the U.K., and on American television and London radio, defending sound historical methods and the ethical worldview of secular naturalism. His books and articles have received international attention. With a Ph.D. from Columbia University in ancient history, he specializes in the intellectual history of Greece and Rome, particularly ancient philosophy, religion, and science, with emphasis on the origins of Christianity and the use and progress of science under the Roman empire. He is also a published expert in the modern philosophy of naturalism as a worldview. He is the author of On the Historicity of Jesus, Proving History, Sense and Goodness without God, Science Education in the Early Roman Empire, Not the Impossible Faith, Why I Am Not a Christian, and Hitler Homer Bible Christ, and a contributor to The Empty Tomb, The Christian Delusion, The End of Christianity, and Christianity Is Not Great, as well as copious work in history and philosophy, online and in print. He is currently working on several projects, but also teaching affordable online courses in secular philosophy, history, and methodology at The Secular Academy, and blogging and speaking about history, philosophy, feminism, and other moral causes, as well as his past in the military and his current life in polyamory.
Doesnâ??t the "Jesus Mythicism" hypothesis posits too high a Christology (Jesus as a dying/rising God) to interpret the Jesus of our oldest sources? Isnâ??t the eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil a fable about human consciousness, ie why are we different from other animals, feel shame, guilt, fear for the future, etc.? Isnâ??t it as silly to casually assume one can use the New Testament gospels as evidence for the historicity of Jesus as it would be to assume one could use THE ODYSSEY as evidence for the historicity of Odysseus? If Jude says he is the servant of Jesus and brother to James then can I make the assumption that James is not the biological brother of Jesus but his servant also? Might Lukeâ??s â??diagnosisâ?? language mark him as an exorcist rather than a physician?
Apologetics 6: Historical Jesus Have you ever heard of the Jesus mythicists? They teach that Jesus never existed, that he’s a myth. How would you go about debunking this claim? Are you aware of what historical sources mention Jesus and early Christianity? In this lecture you’ll learn what’s out there from biblical authors, historians, and Read more about Podcast 55: Did Jesus Exist? (Apologetics 6)[…]
Apologetics 6: Historical Jesus Have you ever heard of the Jesus mythicists? They teach that Jesus never existed, that he’s a myth. How would you go about debunking this claim? Are you aware of what historical sources mention Jesus and early Christianity? In this lecture you’ll learn what’s out there from biblical authors, historians, and Read more about Podcast 55: Did Jesus Exist? (Apologetics 6)[…]
Today we are talking to Dr. Robert Price about the historicity of Jesus. Dr. Price is a former Baptist minister and current Professor of Biblical Criticism at the Center for Inquiry Institute. He has written and spoken extensively on this topic. In this part 2 we cover the references to Jesus found in Josephus. Find … Continue reading AS286: Dr. Robert Price on Jesus Mythicism, Part 2 → The post AS286: Dr. Robert Price on Jesus Mythicism, Part 2 appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
Today we are talking to Dr. Robert Price about the historicity of Jesus. Dr. Price is a former Baptist minister and current Professor of Biblical Criticism at the Center for Inquiry Institute. He has written and spoken extensively on this topic. In this episode we talk about Jesus as the Mythic Hero Archetype and combination … Continue reading AS285: Dr. Robert Price on Jesus Mythicism, Part 1 → The post AS285: Dr. Robert Price on Jesus Mythicism, Part 1 appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
Tim is back with much, much more on the case for why Jesus was a historical figure! Tim blogs about history here. Here’s an article that I used to try to grill Tim a bit on the counter arguments, for your reference. Here’s the post he specifically mentioned responding to Carrier’s paper. The post AS276: Jesus Mythicism, with Tim O’Neill, Part 2 appeared first on Atheistically Speaking.
Christianity has been met with many challengers in recent times. Of the many groups that criticize Christian beliefs and values, none is more radical than the Jesus Mythicism movement. This radical new atheist movement seeks to dismiss Christianity by disregarding the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth. While Jesus Mythicism holds little to no scholarly support, Jesus Mythicists enjoy a wide base of approval from communities on the internet as they claim that Jesus was not a historical figure, but a mythical figure invented by the church. Ken Humphreys is among the most popular of the Jesus Mythicist spokesmen. Our guest today has debated many from the Jesus Mythicist campaign, including Humphreys. Nick Peters joins us to discuss the flaws of Jesus Mythicism and how the modern Christian can engage those who hold to Jesus Mythicism. Peters studied at Southern Evangelical Seminary and Johnson Bible College. He has worked as the Social Media and Communications Expert at Ratio Christi. Peters is an author and regular blogger at deeperwaters.wordpress.com and hosts a podcast also named Deeper Waters. Join us as we discuss the issue of Jesus Mythicism with Nick Peters. To call in, dial (323) 784-9617.
In this episode I continue the discussion with atheists Cory Markum and Alex Starr about a wide ranging host of topics from Jesus Mythicism, Leprechaun defecation, to Richard Dawkins. I forgot to give the warning on the last episode so I will here... the really polite southern gentleman lets some expletives slip. And honestly... I'm too lazy to edit it. Enjoy the show!
In this episode I interview Albert McIlhenny of labarum.net on the issue of Jesus Mythicism. We discuss everything from Zeitgeist to Richard Carrier. I do want to apologize for the sound quality on this episode. For some reason the call recorder for Skype recorded it really choppy. But I think you will get a kick out of it anyway! If you want to help improve the show, feel free to become a contributor. You $5 monthly donation would help a ton! Enjoy the show!
Albert Mcilhenny of labarum.net joins us to talk about His Ebook series "A Christian Response to Jesus Mythicism
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