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A brief description of four main beliefs of Biblical Unitarians. 1. God Is One, the Father. · Deuteronomy 6:4 “YHVH our God, YHVH is one”. Mark 12:32 “He (not they) is one.” · John 17:3 “Father…this is eternal life, to know you, the only true God…” · 1 Corinthians 8:6 “As for us, there is one God, the Father…”. 2. Jesus Is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God 3. The Holy Spirit Is the Spirit of God We believe in God (the Father), in Jesus the human Son of God, and in the spirit of God. A “triad”, not a “Trinity”. A Trinity wrongly insists the three all must be one “being”, a “three-person-god”. 4. Authority of Scripture The Bible, not men's speculations or tradition, is the ultimate authority for belief and practice. Examples of Resources (there are many more: The Bible
Have you heard of Hippolytus’s Refutation of All Heresies? Written not long after 222 A.D. this book works through dozens of heresies–beliefs that the author disagreed with. Some scholars have argued against Hippolytus as the author, preferring to call him pseudo-Hippolytus. But regardless of who wrote the tome, the fact is that this huge book was the mature result of nearly seventy years of Christians cataloging heresies. In each case the next generation typically included much of what had come before and this book is no exception. It’s a massive tome, totaling more than 400 pages long in the most recent translation by David Litwa. In this talk, delivered at the 2024 UCA conference held in Little Rock, Arkansas, Dr. Dale Tuggy draws on the Refutation of All Heresies to catalog the major christological options that were known to the author in the third century. Excluding all the gnostic groups, Tuggy identifies three broad groups of Christians who held very different ideas about Christ: the Dynamic Monarchians, the Modalistic Monarchians, and the Logos Incarnationists. Or to use the parlance of today, biblical unitarians, oneness believers, and Arians. But, what about the Trinity? Where was it? Why didn’t pseudo-Hippolytus mention three persons in one being? Surely hundreds of millions of Christians who say the Church has always believed in the Trinity from the beginning can’t be wrong, can they? Listen in to this talk to find out. Dale Tuggy is an analytic philosopher specializing in Trinity theories. He’s the author of the Trinity article in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy as well as the book What Is the Trinity, which gives a brief introduction to the various Trinity models and their problems. A month ago, a new book came out that he contributed to called One God, Three Persons, Four Views, in which he debated various Trinitarian scholars, putting forward his own non-trinitarian view as an alternative. Find out more about Tuggy and his work at his blog: Trinities.org. In what follows he lays out the various christologies in the period before Nicea as well as explains quotations by Athenagoras and Mileto that modern trinitarian defenders use to prove that the Trinity was there in the second century. Lastly, he provides evidence for which view he thinks was the majority in the second and third centuries. Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts —— Links —— Get the transcript of this episode Check out these other episodes with Dale Tuggy Support Restitutio by donating here Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow Sean Finnegan on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan? Read his bio here Get Finnegan’s book, Kingdom Journey to learn about God’s kingdom coming on earth as well as the story of how Christianity lost this precious pearl of great price.
Dales Tuggy is the author of a number of books including the book “What Is The Trinity”, and is the co-author of a number of books including “Is Jesus Human And Not Divine”. These books are all readily available on Amazon. He is also well-known for his online presence as the creator of “The Trinities” podcast and blog which features hundreds of episodes and posts on topics relating to competing views about the Trinity, the history of Theology and Unitarian Theology and Christology.
On The Other Side of Midnight, Frank starts the show joined by WABC host Dominic Carter to talk about the latest on the migrant crisis and its effects across the U.S.. Frank is later joined by Founder and Chair of the Free and Equal Elections Foundation, Christina Tobin. They discuss third party alternatives in 2024. In the next hour, Frank talks about new research involving the different effects that listening to music live versus recordings has on the brain. He also talks about his weekend ventures and his keys. Frank starts the third hour with commendations for the week. He moves on to talk about Bruce Willis, Sting's last wrestling match and The Rock transcending wrestling to move into being a movie star and icon. Frank wraps up the show talking about Nikki Haley, January 6th cases and Pope Francis' statement on gender ideology. He is also joined by Noam Laden for News You Can Use. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
#218: Holy Trinities with Dan Stoeckel by Taylor Berryman
Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts Should Christians celebrate the birth of Christ? If so, where should we draw the line with respect to ancient pagan customs like bringing an evergreen tree into our houses or giving presents to each other? How much pagan practice is too much? My guest today is philosopher Dale Tuggy, the host of the Trinities podcast and the chair of the board of the Unitarian Christian Alliance. However, in this episode we're not talking about analytic theology or Christology. Instead we're discussing Christmas and how Christians should think about it. Tuggy argues that Christians have the freedom to celebrate or not celebrate Christmas. "Cultural appropriation is the birthright of the human race."- Dale Tuggy "How would the medieval pagans be so powerful that they could just eternally corrupt pine trees or wrapping gifts up in pretty paper and exchanging them or having a feast? They just don't have that much power. They're just people like us."- Dale Tuggy —— Links —— Follow Dr. Tuggy at his website, Trinities.org See Dale Tuggy's "What John 1 Meant" See Dustin Smith's "The Incarnation of Wisdom in Pre-Christian Judaism" Check out the Restitutio podcast on YouTube Get the transcript of this episode Support Restitutio by donating here Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow Sean Finnegan on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan? Read his bio here
In the third episode of this musical meandering through the perils of modern western music I take a close look at the different trinities that exist in our current model of western music and how it has either been inverted, altered or bastardized in such a way that society as a whole is affected on a global scale. Join me as I continue this multi episode romp and see just how far, and how simply, music can affect our Minds, Bodies and Souls. #thirdeyeedifypodcastGet a copy of my very first book "World War YOU"PAPERBACK and KINDLE: https://a.co/d/1jJ5nGMEBOOK: https://books2read.com/u/mBAx6OCheck out the Third Eye Edify Website:http://thirdeyeedify.comDo you play Bass Guitar? Join my new Bass Player University!:https://jorgemesamusic.com/bassplayeruniversityCheck out my Patreon to help support all of my EDIFYING future content:http://www.Patreon.com/ThirdEyeEdifyFind me on Rokfin and get a premium membership to support me PLUS get access to all of the other incredible content on their platform:https://www.rokfin.com/ThirdEyeEdifyJoin my Telegram group:https://t.me/ThirdEyeEdifyCheck out my Linktree:https://linktr.ee/thirdeyeedifyPlease Like and Subscribe on YouTube, Odysee and Bitchute:#thirdeyeedifypodcast Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Pastor Luke Simmons unveils the ultimate choice we all have to make by unpacking Revelation 13-14, where we see two Trinities, marks, messages, and futures.00:00 - Intro04:05 - Reminders05:28 - Two Trinities11:56 - Two Marks21:24 - Two Messages25:45 - Two Futures***HOW TO FIND US*** SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YouTube CHANNEL https://www.youtube.com/RedemptionChurchGateway/?sub_confirmation=1 FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/redemptiongateway INSTAGRAM https://www.instagram.com/redemption.gateway WEBSITE http://gateway.redemptionaz.com
How do you accept something like losing your hearing? How do you love yourself fully? What is the trinity of the Light and Dark forces? In this episode I'm joined by my magical soul sister, Blu, as she breaks down her methods for radical self acceptance, the concept of the never-ending hungry ghost, narcissism vs. true self-love, what it means to trust the Mystery in the presence of grief and limitations, and the importance of activating our non-physical senses. | Find more of | Blu | Instagram | @bluofearth Spotify | Deja Blu Podcast Website | www.bluofearth.com/blu Youtube | www.youtube.com/c/Bluofearth/videos To partner with the Aubrey Marcus Podcast | Connect with Aubrey | Website | http://bit.ly/2GesYqi Instagram | http://bit.ly/2BlfCEO Facebook | http://bit.ly/2F4nBZk Twitter | http://bit.ly/2BlGBAdAd Check out "Own your Day, Own Your Life" by Aubrey Marcus | http://bit.ly/2vRz4so Subscribe to the Aubrey Marcus newsletter: https://www.aubreymarcus.com/pages/email Subscribe to the Aubrey Marcus podcast: iTunes | https://apple.co/2lMZRCn Spotify | https://spoti.fi/2EaELZO Stitcher | http://bit.ly/2G8ccJt IHeartRadio | https://ihr.fm/3CiV4x3 Google Podcasts | https://bit.ly/3nzCJEh Android | https://bit.ly/2OQeBQg
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The Sermon for the Fifth Sunday after Trinities is preached by Mr. Matt Johnson
"The Great Commission" in Matthew 28: 16-20 has long been used as a harmful loyalty oath to empire and a punishing god. Rev. Anne Dunlap asks if we can understand this text in a way that helps us declare our loyalty to the ways of justice and community and intimacy and liberation. https://surj.org/our-work/surj-faith/twir/
Venture into the translating world of a small team, a big vision, and a refreshing lack of Trinitarian bias. RESOURCES Trinities 356 - Seminary student takes Trinity class, becomes unitarian - Part 1 Trinities 357 – Seminary student takes Trinity class, becomes unitarian – Part 2 Romans 8:28 - "...in all things God works for the good..." Spirit & Truth Fellowship International American Standard Version of 1901 Matthew 5:41 - Go the extra mile Christianity Today article about translations: When A Word Is Worth A Thousand Complaints (and When It Isn't) Dec. 21, 2020 REV website: https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/ Spirit & Truth (https://spiritandtruthonline.org/) New English Translation (has translation notes) Regional UCA Conference post Call for UCA Conference papers Matt. 5:44 - Love your enemies Tidings magazine, January 2020. "Conscientious Objection in North America" p.32 (p.40 mentions Arthur Hill) EPISODE INDEX 00:02:33 Interview 00:03:14 How Johnny Connected With S&T 00:05:25 John Schoenheit's Early Story 00:06:07 Teenager Classes 00:06:50 Another Translation 00:07:56 Time Investment 00:08:31 The Version To Start With 00:09:36 Christian Educational Services 00:10:26 Targeting Passages 00:11:09 Why Is A Good Translation Important 00:13:09 Literal Vs. Paraphrase 00:14:09 Tie Up Your Literal Translations 00:15:48 Going The Extra Mile 00:17:14 A Day In The Life... 00:20:20 Team Time Dynamics 00:20:58 John Might Get Out Voted 00:22:43 Lest Ye Choose Woe 00:23:32 Time Spent On A Phrase 00:24:18 The Value Of Coral 00:25:51 Painful Decisions 00:27:37 REV Commentary, Structure 00:28:44 Understanding Isn't Overabundant 00:29:33 External Pressures? 00:30:27 Run It Past Marketing 00:32:43 Crowdsourcing Peer Review 00:34:11 Will It Ever Be Done? 00:36:27 Accessing The REV 00:38:05 A Previous Printing 00:38:33 Not Naming The Translators 00:39:52 Commentary and Translation Notes 00:41:59 Getting A Hard Copy “Poof” 00:43:57 Regional UCA Conferences! 00:45:26 Contacting The New Members 00:46:10 Mailbag, Cindy G 00:46:44 Kerry's Note 00:47:37 Tim's Note, Christadelphians 00:49:47 Modern Unitarian History Idea 00:50:43 Call For Papers 00:51:13 Note From Cris 00:51:52 Objective Translation List FEEDBACK Join in the Mailbag fun or make a digitized replica of your voice, including your first name and your state or country. Email podcast@unitarianchristianalliance.org Click here to RECORD A MESSAGE Or call: 615-581-1158 LISTENING TIPS Pauses and pacing are hand crafted, artisan efforts. If your podcast app lets you remove silences, please don't. You will enjoy this better with the silences left in. ENGAGE The UCA Podcast email list! Large and enjoyable episode art, additional thoughts from the host, and notifications when there are delays. The UCA events listing. Keep up on what's coming up. Podcast twitter @UCApodcast - Episode announcements Official UCA twitter account @UnitarianChrist Podcast Webpage: https://podcast.unitarianchristianalliance.org
Dr Steven Nemes has a PhD from Fuller Theological Seminary. He is the author of many books. He has appeared on many YouTube channels is a prominent public theologian. In this conversation we talk about his views on post-Catholic theology, ecclesiology, and how to talk about the Trinity and the Incarnation. We mention Dale Tuggy, Brett Salkeld, Justin Martyr, Ulrich Zwingli, and many more. Dr. Steven Nemes's youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@DrStevenNemes Dr. Steven Nemes's website: https://stevennemes.com/ Dr. Steven Nemes on Trinities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyi38X0Wku0 Orthodoxy and Heresy: https://www.cambridge.org/core/elements/abs/orthodoxy-and-heresy/50689A55E19FDEC6B45FF3F3DAE2BBC2
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In this week's episode, the Cups take a deep dive into the Isu's society, at least what we know of it. We also take a look at the Isu High Council and the Capitoline Triad. Throughout this episode, we also discuss the human creation and subsequent rebellion from the Isu, and how this conflict continues to impact modern-day Templars and Assassins. *NEW:* We've just launched a Patreon! Join us as a subscriber, and at certain tiers, you can even join us ON THE SHOW! https://www.patreon.com/aclorecast Join our Cups Podcasting and More discord server where we dive deep into discussions about all your favorite games. https://discord.gg/fxR2WVDNhP Join the Robots Radio discord server to join the fun! https://discord.gg/AW5Wc4kgZb You can also find us on Twitter at @assassinscreedlorecast, and you can dm us or email us at assassinscreedlorecast@gmail.com. Sources: In-game sources: AC2 AC3 AC: Origins AC: Odyssey AC: Valhalla AC Wiki: Isu Isu Era Great Catastrophe War of Unification Isu-Human War Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Scripture Reading: John 4:43 - John 5:47 43 After the two days he departed from there to Galilee. 44 (For Jesus himself had testified that a prophet has no honor in his own country.) 45 So when he came to Galilee, the Galileans welcomed him because they had seen all the things he had done in Jerusalem at the feast (for they themselves had gone to the feast).46 Now he came again to Cana in Galilee where he had made the water wine. In Capernaum there was a certain royal official whose son was sick. 47 When he heard that Jesus had come back from Judea to Galilee, he went to him and begged him to come down and heal his son, who was about to die. 48 So Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders you will never believe!” 49 “Sir,” the official said to him, “come down before my child dies.” 50 Jesus told him, “Go home; your son will live.” The man believed the word that Jesus spoke to him, and set off for home.51 While he was on his way down, his slaves met him and told him that his son was going to live. 52 So he asked them the time when his condition began to improve, and they told him, “Yesterday at one o'clock in the afternoon the fever left him.” 53 Then the father realized that it was the very time Jesus had said to him, “Your son will live,” and he himself believed along with his entire household. 54 Jesus did this as his second miraculous sign when he returned from Judea to Galilee.1 After this there was a Jewish feast, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 2 Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool called Bethzatha in Aramaic, which has five covered walkways. 3 A great number of sick, blind, lame, and paralyzed people were lying in these walkways. 5 Now a man was there who had been disabled for 38 years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there and when he realized that the man had been disabled a long time already, he said to him, “Do you want to become well?” 7 The sick man answered him, “Sir, I have no one to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up. While I am trying to get into the water, someone else goes down there before me.” 8 Jesus said to him, “Stand up! Pick up your mat and walk.” 9 Immediately the man was healed, and he picked up his mat and started walking. (Now that day was a Sabbath.)10 So the Jewish leaders said to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath, and you are not permitted to carry your mat.” 11 But he answered them, “The man who made me well said to me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk.'” 12 They asked him, “Who is the man who said to you, ‘Pick up your mat and walk'?” 13 But the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had slipped out, since there was a crowd in that place.14 After this Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “Look, you have become well. Don't sin any more, lest anything worse happen to you.” 15 The man went away and informed the Jewish leaders that Jesus was the one who had made him well.16 Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began persecuting him. 17 So he told them, “My Father is working until now, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason the Jewish leaders were trying even harder to kill him because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was also calling God his own Father, thus making himself equal with God.19 So Jesus answered them, “I tell you the solemn truth, the Son can do nothing on his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him everything he does, and will show him greater deeds than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whomever he wishes. 22 Furthermore, the Father does not judge anyone, but has assigned all judgment to the Son, 23 so that all people will honor the Son just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.24 “I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life. 25 I tell you the solemn truth, a time is coming—and is now here—when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, thus he has granted the Son to have life in himself, 27 and he has granted the Son authority to execute judgment because he is the Son of Man.28 “Do not be amazed at this, because a time is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and will come out—the ones who have done what is good to the resurrection resulting in life, and the ones who have done what is evil to the resurrection resulting in condemnation. 30 I can do nothing on my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just because I do not seek my own will, but the will of the one who sent me.31 “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. 32 There is another who testifies about me, and I know the testimony he testifies about me is true. 33 You have sent to John, and he has testified to the truth. 34 (I do not accept human testimony, but I say this so that you may be saved.) 35 He was a lamp that was burning and shining, and you wanted to rejoice greatly for a short time in his light.36 “But I have a testimony greater than that from John. For the deeds that the Father has assigned me to complete—the deeds I am now doing—testify about me that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified about me. You people have never heard his voice nor seen his form at any time, 38 nor do you have his word residing in you because you do not believe the one whom he sent. 39 You study the scriptures thoroughly because you think in them you possess eternal life, and it is these same scriptures that testify about me, 40 but you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life.41 “I do not accept praise from people, 42 but I know you, that you do not have the love of God within you. 43 I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me. If someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe, if you accept praise from one another and don't seek the praise that comes from the only God?45 “Do not suppose that I will accuse you before the Father. The one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have placed your hope. 46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me because he wrote about me. 47 But if you do not believe what Moses wrote, how will you believe my words?” Chapter 4His Reputation Precedes Him. The Galileans welcomed Jesus because they had seen what Jesus had done in Jerusalem at the feast. Remember John 2:23 (which is right after Jesus cleanses the temple): “Now while Jesus was in Jerusalem at the Feast of the Passover, many people believed in his name because they saw the miraculous signs he was doing.”No Honor in His Own Country. Jesus testifies that a prophet has no honor in his own country, obviously referring to Jesus himself. The saying, however, is grounded in many Old Testament stories of Israel rejecting its own prophets. Consider Hosea 9:7:The time of judgment is about to arrive!The time of retribution is imminent!Israel will be humbled!The prophet is considered a fool—the inspired man is viewed as a madman—because of the multitude of your sinsand your intense animosity.The question is, which country is that? This verse comes immediately after Jesus leaves Samaria and returns to Galilee, Jesus' own “hometown” (more like home region). Consequently, Jesus could be highlighting the fact that he was better received in Samaria (the place with racially impure, religiously deviant people) than Galilee. The other possibility is that Jesus is talking about Israel in general (or Judea). A key theme in John's gospel is the Jews' rejection of the Messiah, which is more consistent with this second interpretation.From the Samaritan Woman to the Royal Official. Last week we discussed the scandal of Jesus' interaction with the Samaritan woman. This week the scandal continues. Galileans would have been every bit as suspicious of this royal official as they were of the Samaritan woman.The royal official could have been a Roman official, probably connected to the military. (Remember, the Jews had been conquered and occupied by the Romans. The Jews hated the Romans.) Alternatively, he could have been a Herodian Jew. Many relatives of the Herodian family and other aristocrats lived in Tiberias. Tiberias was the wealthiest city in Galilee and the Galilean capital for many years. However, the place is almost never mentioned in the gospels. Why? Herod Antipas built Tiberias. Antipas was quite flippant to the religious and cultural sensitivities of the Jews. Some examples of his disregard for religion include his location choice for Tiberias (a graveyard, which made the city unclean), his marriage to his half-brother's wife, and his beheading of John the Baptist.Either way the result would have been the same: disdain from a Galilean Jew towards the royal official. The Romans were the enemy. The Herodian Jews were enemy sympathizers (or outright traitors) and religiously sinful and unclean. And in either case as well, the official would have been an oppressor (militarily, politically, commercially, or a combination of those).Signs-Faith. In the gospels, signs (miracles) do not always lead to faith. In this case, the official and his entire household believe. This puts the royal official in the worst company: the Samaritan woman and many Samaritans in her town. I am being a bit sarcastic. The point stands though: who is believing in Jesus? Those the Jews would have least expected. Who is not believing? The Jewish religious leaders.Chapter 5The Pool of Bethesda. External evidence confirms the existence of a pool of Bethesda in Jerusalem. To the best of our knowledge the pool was actually two pools as large as a football field and about twenty feet deep. The biblical text implies a tradition that the pool had healing properties. Such beliefs were common in the ancient world, so even John's audience that was unfamiliar with the pool of Bethesda would recognize the idea.That Day Was a Sabbath. The story takes place during a Jewish feast. Feasts had great religious importance and many of Jesus' actions, including his crucifixion, occurred during Jewish feasts. In this case, however, the feast is not specified. What is specified is that the day was the Sabbath.What is the Sabbath? Consider the following verses:Genesis 2:2-3: By the seventh day God finished the work that he had been doing, and he ceased on the seventh day all the work that he had been doing. God blessed the seventh day and made it holy because on it he ceased all the work that he had been doing in creation.Exodus 20:8: Remember the Sabbath day to set it apart as holy. For six days you may labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your male servant, or your female servant, or your cattle, or the resident foreigner who is in your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them, and he rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.Exodus 31:12-14: The Lord said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep my Sabbaths, for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. So you must keep the Sabbath, for it is holy for you. Everyone who defiles it must surely be put to death; indeed, if anyone does any work on it, then that person will be cut off from among his people.Mark 2:23-27: Jesus was going through the grain fields on a Sabbath, and his disciples began to pick some heads of wheat as they made their way. So the Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is against the law on the Sabbath?” He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions were hungry—how he entered the house of God when Abiathar was high priest and ate the sacred bread, which is against the law for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to his companions?” Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. For this reason the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”It was against the law to carry burdens on the Sabbath if it was interpreted as work. The Pharisees held different views on the Sabbath, but generally they would have agreed that any activity that could be done before the Sabbath should not be done during the Sabbath. So, a matter of life and death would be an exception to Sabbath prohibitions but a minor healing would not have been.Disabled Due to SinIn this story, Jesus tells the man, “Look, you have become well. Don't sin any more, lest anything worse happen to you.” Compare this with John 9:1-3,Now as Jesus was passing by, he saw a man who had been blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who committed the sin that caused him to be born blind, this man or his parents?” Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but he was born blind so that the acts of God may be revealed through what happens to him.In John 9, the man was not blind due to anyone's sin. In John 5, it seems that it was sin that caused the man to be disabled. This could have a supernatural or a natural explanation. Maybe the man became disabled because he consumed a certain substance or as the result of being punished for a crime. The point is, we should not infer a general principle that disease is divine punishment for sin.For This They Were Trying to Kill HimBecause Jesus dishonored the Sabbath (by Pharisees' standards) and he claimed to be “equal with God,” the Jewish leaders sought to kill him (even more).Let's consider the charges. First there's the charge that Jesus dishonored the Sabbath. Jesus denies the accusation. What Jesus does on the Sabbath is what he sees the Father doing (v. 19). According to Jewish theology, God was still active on the Sabbath. God sustains all life and all the world and that function does not cease on the Sabbath. Jesus is claiming to do the same work the Father does on the Sabbath, no more and no less.Additionally, since the Father is the lord of the Sabbath and the Son does as the Father says, the Son cannot violate the Sabbath.Regarding the second claim—equality with the Father—Jesus denies the accusation too. Notice that this equality is one of authority and not one of identity. Jesus says the Son can do nothing on his own initiative (v. 19), the Father shows the Son what to do (v. 20), and the Father assigns roles to the Son (v. 22). Jesus, in other words, submits to the Father. They are not equal in authority. This probably made more sense to the Pharisees than it does to the modern listener. The modern listener is probably thinking, but aren't the Father and the Son one? Yes, but not the same. They are one in the ontological Trinity—that is, they are one being and share the same divine substance. They are distinct in the economic Trinity, which focuses on what God does. Jesus submits to the Father in the work of the Trinity. (The ontological Trinity and economic Trinity are not different Trinities. It is simply a way to describe the co-equal nature of the persons of the Trinity and yet their distinct roles.)Jesus as Giver of Life and JudgeGod was widely viewed as the giver of life. Not only that, but in the eschaton (the end times) God would give life again by raising the dead. Consider the following Old Testament scriptures:Daniel 12:2. Many of those who sleepin the dusty ground will awake—some to everlasting life,and others to shame and everlasting abhorrence.Isaiah 26:19. Your dead will come back to life;your corpses will rise up.Wake up and shout joyfully, you who live in the ground!For you will grow like plants drenched with the morning dew,and the earth will bring forth its dead spirits.But wait, there's more! (Feel free to read that in infomercial voice.) God also gives eternal life. Remember:John 3:14-15. Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.John 3:35-36. The Father loves the Son and has placed all things under his authority. The one who believes in the Son has eternal life.So, in John 5, is Jesus talking about life, resurrection, or eternal life? By this point we have seen that John uses double entendres to add depth of meaning. I think that this is a clear case. The healing that occurs immediately before this discourse points us to a more literal understanding of life. However, as the discourse goes on, Jesus clearly speaks of eternal life (v. 24).Jesus describes those who believe in him as passing from death to life (v. 25). This is the same image used in John 3. For example, let's revisit John:35-36 but let's add just one more verse:The Father loves the Son and has placed all things under his authority. The one who believes in the Son has eternal life. The one who rejects the Son will not see life, but God's wrath remains on him.Also consider John 3:16:For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.Notice that John uses “will perish,” “raises the dead,” and “crossed over from death to life” interchangeably. There is a future reality (“will perish”) but it begins in the present (“crossed over from death to life”).Jesus' claims to give life and be the judge would have unsettled his listeners. These are claims of divine authority. More importantly, he who complains about the Son complains about the Father.Why does the Son have the authority to execute judgment? Because he is Son of Man. In the Greek, the expression Son of Man is anarthrous (used without the article) just like that expression appears in the LXX (the Septuagint) translation of Daniel.Daniel 7:13-14. I was watching in the night visions, And with the clouds of the sky,one like a son of man was approaching.He went up to the Ancient of Daysand was escorted before him.To him was given ruling authority, honor, and sovereignty.All peoples, nations, and language groups were serving him.His authority is eternal and will not pass away.His kingdom will not be destroyed.Testimony About JesusJesus is being accused of blasphemy, a capital offense. Jesus employs a legal defense.Deuteronomy 17:6. At the testimony of two or three witnesses the person must be executed. They cannot be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.To be clear, Jesus is defending himself not accusing someone. He is adapting the legal principle that the testimony of two or three people is credible in a capital offense case.The first witness? John the Baptist. He points to the Baptist's testimony and to the fact that the Pharisees believed him (“you wanted to rejoice greatly for a short time”).The second witness? God. This is a key point in any of the Gospels. Why is Jesus doing miracles? Because they prove who he is. The time has not yet come to make everything right. That is not the main reason Jesus is healing the sick and turning water into wine. “The deeds [he is] now doing” are a testimony to who he is and the truth of his message. This message would have resonated with his audience. Early Judaism understood that the invisible God attested to himself through his works. Moreover, Jews should make God known by sharing his works and miracles.The third witness? The Torah. This one hurts. The Pharisees were incredibly proud that God's word—Torah—was in them. But the Torah testifies of Jesus. To reject Jesus is to reject Torah. The word was not in them.Jesus Is Judge not AccuserWho accuses the Pharisees? Moses. That is to say, the Torah. In Palestinian Judaism accusers were witnesses against the defendant, not prosecutors. The irony that the very hope of the Pharisees would be their accuser would not be lost on them. The argument is simple. Moses wrote about Jesus. The Pharisees received Moses' words. The Pharisees rejected Moses' words by rejecting Jesus. Hence their guilt.
Last week Dale Tuggy discussed William Lane Craig's theory about the Trinity for an hour. In one sense this was a momentous occasion when two heavy-hitting philosophers got into the ring to duke it out. In another sense, the limited constraint of one hour barely gave either much time to warm up or process the other's position, much less land any serious blows. Still, it was a worthwhile exchange and it has already received over 5,000 views in its first week on YouTube. In this followup interview, I ask Dr. Tuggy about his impression of the exchange, his further thoughts on Craig's somewhat controversial Trinity theory, and how he would reply if given more time to engage with the "deity of Christ" texts. If you haven't yet listened to the debate, you can get it on YouTube or if you prefer audio, listen to Tuggy's Trinities podcast, episode 349. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj_WLXoL90I —— Links —— Here's the original debate between Dale Tuggy and William Lane Craig on YouTube, on the Trinities podcast Check out these other interviews with Dr. Tuggy More debates here Check out the One God Over All class, which provides you with an introduction to unitarian theology as well as explanations to commonly misunderstood texts. Support Restitutio by donating here Designate Restitutio as your charity of choice for Amazon purchases Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow Sean Finnegan on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan? Read his bio here
Have you heard of historiography? Your historiography is the method you employ in doing history. This is especially relevant when the scholars who make the rules for doing history decide to exclude any supernatural events from their historiography. Today, my guest, Aaron Shelenberger, continues his rebuttal to Ehrman's three main objections to the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus. We discuss Ehrman's contentions that supernatural events are inaccessible to historians and the prevalence of methodological naturalism. Also, Shelenberger briefly reviews the recent debate between Mike Licona and Bart Ehrman. Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts https://youtu.be/2g45dHGGrHk —— Links —— For Shelenberger's thesis, see part 1: 444 Resurrection Objection 1: Unreliable Gospels? See also part 2: 445 Resurrection Objection 2: Improbable Miracles? Follow Aaron Shelenberger on his YouTube channel: Life and Beyond and on his blog: Abandoning the Trinity See Mike Licona's Why Are There Differences Between the Gospels? Check out Shelenberger's interview on the Trinities podcast (part 2 here) Other episodes referenced include 390 God Is Real (Why Christianity 3), 53 Does God Exist?, 54 Four More Reasons God Exists Support Restitutio by donating here Designate Restitutio as your charity of choice for Amazon purchases Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow us on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan? Read his bio here.
Today my guest, Aaron Shelenberger, and I are tackling a second scholarly objection of Bart Ehrman against the resurrection of Jesus. We're taking a deep dive into the historian's use of probability to establish whether a particular event happened. Are miracles by definition improbable? Does the rarity of miracles preclude the historian from talking about them? Like last week, Shelenberger will guide us through his master's thesis to deal with this issue. Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts https://youtu.be/swvCj4uVeJU —— Links —— For Shelenberger's thesis, see part 1: 444 Resurrection Objection 1: Unreliable Gospels? Follow Aaron Shelenberger on his YouTube channel: Life and Beyond and on his blog: Abandoning the Trinity See Mike Licona's Why Are There Differences Between the Gospels? Check out Shelenberger's interview on the Trinities podcast (part 2 here) Support Restitutio by donating here Designate Restitutio as your charity of choice for Amazon purchases Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow us on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan? Read his bio here.
Aaron Shelenberger who studied under Mike Licona at Southern Evangelical Seminary in Charlotte, North Carolina, shares about his research on the historicity of the resurrection. In particular, his thesis tackled three main objections brought forth by popular author and anti-Christian Bart Ehrman. Now, I realize this episode and the next two that follow are a tad technical, so if that's not your jam, then you may want to skip them. However, what I've noticed in the past is that our most technical episodes tend to get lots of downloads. In our conversation today we discuss the importance of resurrection and how Ehrman's attack on the reliability of the Gospels fails to undermine the case for the resurrection. Also, I bring up Licona's somewhat controversial book, Why Are There Differences in the Gospels and get Shelenberger's take on it. Listen to this episode on Spotify or Apple Podcasts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ9xpP2c89E Here is Shelenberger's thesis for your consideration. —— Links —— Follow Aaron Shelenberger on his YouTube channel: Life and Beyond and on his blog: Abandoning the Trinity See Mike Licona's Why Are There Differences Between the Gospels? Check out Shelenberger's interview on the Trinities podcast (part 2 here) More information about Family Camp here. Support Restitutio by donating here Designate Restitutio as your charity of choice for Amazon purchases Join our Restitutio Facebook Group and follow us on Twitter @RestitutioSF Leave a voice message via SpeakPipe with questions or comments and we may play them out on the air Intro music: Good Vibes by MBB Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) Free Download / Stream: Music promoted by Audio Library. Who is Sean Finnegan? Read his bio here.
The concept of the trinity is far from unique to Christianity. In fact, it dates as far back as human history will go. We look at some of the examples fro throughout history and across religious lines that confirm it: the trinity is just one more thing the Church decided to counterfeit to further its own agenda. And if it's a counterfeit, what power does it have? All this plus two more cringe-worthy stories from the files of Christians behaving badly. Like what you hear? Please consider becoming a patron: https://www.patreon.com/unboundpodcastnetwork
Overwhelming evidence exists that modern-day Christian beliefs, practices, and concepts such as the Atonement, Salvation, the idea of God incarnate in man, the blood sacrifice, the concept of a triune God, and other Christian concepts did not originate from God nor Jesus Christ; instead, they came from men influenced by pagan rituals and beliefs. These Christian rituals came from the same pagan beliefs and ideals that Jesus Christ fought against and did all he could to destroy. These Christian ideas came from Pagan Roman and Greek concepts and Hinduism, Buddhism, and other Pegan ideologies. The pagan worship environment that Paul was immersed in heavily influenced him. The idea of a man-god, similar to the Christian belief in Jesus Christ's divinity, is not a new concept. The ancient Egyptian Pharos were supposedly man-gods who had to be sacrificed for society's greater good and were worshiped by believers. Other past nations falsely worshipped man-gods. The Christian symbol was first a fish, a symbol of the last supper; then it morphed into a cross. The ancient Egyptians also used the cross as their religious symbol of their sun god - the cross of light. The Trinity is also not new, as Christians took that concept from pagan ideologies. Many ancient religions held the idea of a threefold division in the entities they worshiped, such as in ancient Egypt, Greek, and India. Trinities were worshipped in various places during the time of Jesus Christ. Some of the pagan gods wrongfully worshipped supposedly died violently and were resurrected to save their people—such as Christians believe. The ancient Egyptians worshipped a trinity, and their trinity symbols were a wing, glove, and a serpent--which they felt represented three attributes of their God. Egyptians worshipped the Trinity of gods Horus, Isis, and Osiris long before the time of modern Christianity. The gods of the Greco-Roman Palmyra were the Lord in the Heavens, the sun god, and the moon god. The Babylonians and Zoroastrians also worshipped a trinity of gods, as did many other past societies. Hindu worship revolves around a trinity consisting of Brahma, Siva, and Vishnu. Their followers believed that their gods died for the sins of their believers. Do these concepts sound familiar? Do a quick internet search and read if you do not believe these words! In Mithraism, Persians believed Mithra to be a great mediator between God and man. He was borne on December 25th by a virgin who died for humanity and was resurrected after being buried. He was called their savior. Mithra's festivals were the Winter Solstice and the Vernal Equinox (Christmas and Easter). Again, these modern-day Christian concepts were taken from past pagan religions. December 25th is not found in the original teaching of Jesus Christ, nor is it the date that Jesus Christ was born, as many Christian scholars acknowledge. December 25th fell around the time of the pagan celebration of the Winter Solstice, which fell in midwinter during the shortest day of the year—when the "sun is born." December 25th was known as the birthday of the Roman Sun-god, Sol-Invictus, and the Persian sun-god, Mithra. Many of the gods worshiped in the past were sun-gods, and nearly all were born on or around what is now Christmas Day. Christians borrowed the concept of Christmas Day from the ancient pagan festival of the sun. The actual birth date of Jesus Christ is unknown. Some indicate that Jesus' birthdate is early spring because of the biblical reference to his birth that referenced the shepherds watching their flocks by night, as stated in Luke 2:8. The shepherds would not have worked in the fields with their livestock during the long cold winter, but no solid evidence of the actual date of Jesus Christ's birth exists, as it is not mentioned anywhere in the Scriptures. The concepts of the Christmas tree, its ornaments, and Santa Claus also come from pagan ideologies.
The number three pops up a lot in reality. What if there is a link between the Holy Trinity and the egoic Drama Triangle? What if the latter is a bit like a 'fallen' or distorted equivalent of the former? {like some interpretations of the relationship between the Tree of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life in the Kaballah (shells falling off the tree of life when it was created, and becoming a fallen/distorted tree 'beneath' it.)} How would this connect to masculine and feminine forms of healing, and how is the true 'trinity' unlocked or freed from the drama triangle encrusted on top of it?
A philosophy professor is an uncommon career path. How Dale turned curiosity into a prolific and specialized body of work. OPENING REMARKS Avoiding "popular" guests, upcoming release of first session of the UCA conference, nerd DNA, and a trip to the zoo. CLOSING REMARKS Q&A experiment (UCA podcast style), practical questions, Brandon Duke trapped atop the ivory tower, The UCA Podcast email list, note from Beth in Ohio, and a single word from my adorable cohost. RESOURCES Dale Tuggy - What John 1 Meant (UCA Conference 2021) Dale's entry on the Trinity - Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy Trinities Blog Vineyard Church BIOLA University Brian Leftow Trinity paper which includes the Rockettes Dale's articles about Leftow's ideas Sir Anthony Buzzard, Kingdom of God book J.P. Moreland Steven Davis, Christian philosopher Trinities - podcast 335 Pastor Jeff Deuble's Christ Before Creeds Trinities podcast 334 – “Who do you say I am?” God's Death - A Counterfactual Historical Reconstruction (the puppet show) Higher ground church, Whitehouse, TN EPISODE INDEX (02:02) A trip to the zoo (02:27) Interview with Dale Tuggy (35:29) Closing remarks (38:07) Brandon's sub-practical question FEEDBACK Just say it. Include your name and where you are from. "Hi! I'm Richard from Montana. Yep." Email podcast@unitarianchristianalliance.org Click here to RECORD A MESSAGE Or call: 615-581-1158 Alternatively, just record yourself and email me the audio file LISTENING TIPS Pauses and pacing are hand crafted, artisan efforts. If your podcast app lets you remove silences, please don't. You will enjoy this better with the silences left in, and probably at the original speed. FOLLOW THE PODCAST The UCA Podcast email list! Large and enjoyable episode art, additional thoughts from the host, and notifications when there are delays. Enhance your inbox. Instagram UCA.podcast - Pictures and quotes Twitter @UCApodcast - Episode announcements Podcast Webpage: https://podcast.unitarianchristianalliance.org
What if revealing your unitarian faith might cost you your most treasured friendship, and what if it flourished instead? OPENING REMARKS This podcast is not *for* Trinitarians Episode 1. The Perilous Trinity Deep Dive, UCA podcast Opinions do vary Do not try this at home Mythological equestrian creature CLOSING REMARKS Notes from Justin in Florida and PJ in Tennessee The 2021 UCA Conference, Oct. 15-17 UCA Membership Map The UCA Podcast email subscription list Stephanie Schlegel, guest in episode 12. An Americain in "Messianic" Israel, enumerates analogies in episode 32. Negotiating with Trinitarians Announcing the release of God's Death - A Counterfactual Historical Reconstruction (it's a puppet show) Unitarian Christian Alliance YouTube channel Trinities podcast 333 - The Arguments of "God's Death" dives in deep RESOURCES Book "When I Don't Desire God: How to Fight for Joy" Jon Piper Book "Did the First Christians Worship Jesus?" James Dunn Amanda mentioned the other podcast interview that she and Cory really enjoyed: Episode 25. Wandering, Arguing, and Culture - Anne Fischhaber EPISODE INDEX (02:37) Interview (51:48) Closing remarks (Justin, PJ, Stephanie Schlegel) (54:43) Announcement of Puppet Show release! FEEDBACK Expel mind content. Say your first name and your state or country. "Hey there, it's Samuel from somewhere. Say something similar to someone somehow." Email podcast@unitarianchristianalliance.org Click here to RECORD A MESSAGE Or call: 615-581-1158 Or just record yourself and email me the audio file LISTENING TIPS Pauses and pacing are hand crafted, artisan efforts. If your podcast app lets you remove silences, please don't. You will enjoy this better with the silences left in. FOLLOW THE PODCAST The UCA Podcast email list! Large and enjoyable episode art, additional thoughts from the host, and notifications when there are delays. Instagram UCA.podcast - Pictures and quotes Twitter @UCApodcast - Episode announcements Podcast Webpage: https://podcast.unitarianchristianalliance.org
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A new MP3 sermon from Lynden United Reformed Church is now available on SermonAudio with the following details: Title: Two Trinities, Two Cities, Two Books Subtitle: Revelation 21 & 22 Speaker: Rev. Mark J. Stromberg Broadcaster: Lynden United Reformed Church Event: Sunday - PM Date: 7/18/2021 Bible: Revelation 20:7-15 Length: 43 min.
Staying in tune with the Lord is so crucial to our Christian walk! It's essential. He has given us a body soul and spirit to be complete and whole. Each has its place in the walk abs we have to keep each one in check to be complete in the Lord. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/pastordwaynenbbc/message
Discuss Three Types of people, the Heart, Head, and Belly. Energetic loss of Self, Forward and Out, Back and In, Up and Diffuse. Description of Three Heart Points, the Giver, Performer and Romantic on this episode of Guided Self Healing Fearless Living with Dr. Andy Hahn.
Discuss Three Types of people, the Heart, Head, and Belly. Energetic loss of Self, Forward and Out, Back and In, Up and Diffuse. Description of Three Heart Points, the Giver, Performer and Romantic on this episode of Guided Self Healing Fearless Living with Dr. Andy Hahn.
This week I do part three in a series exposing the lies of Jordan Maxwell, and his Asrotheology cronies. We hit on the modern origins of "The Astrological Ages" & clear up other common claims in Astrology. Of course we get into more on the bastardization of word origins used by occultists. I also tell you why i believe some of the New Age teachings lead to nihilism, & can lead to not caring about reality. So, let's do this. Time to get down that rabbit hole, far beyond the mainstream. Thank you Cheers, & Blessings “Is it true that astrology played a large part in the formation of Christianity as Ms. Murdock asserts? Noel Swerdlow is Professor of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago. He has specialized in the study of the practice of astronomy in antiquity through the 17th century. I emailed Dr. Swerdlow on this matter. Here is what he had to say on Ms. Murdock's view: “In antiquity, constellations were just groups of stars, and there were no borders separating the region of one from the region of another. In astrology, for computational purposes the zodiacal signs were taken as twelve arcs of 30 degrees measured from the vernal equinox. Because of the slow westward motion of the equinoxes and solstices, what we call the precession of the equinoxes, these did not correspond to the constellations with the same names. But . . . within which group of stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no astrological significance at all. The modern ideas about the Age of Pisces or the Age of Aquarius are based upon the location of the vernal equinox in the regions of the stars of those constellations. But the regions, the borders between, those constellations are a completely modern convention of the International Astronomical Union for the purpose of mapping . . . and never had any astrological significance. I hope this is helpful although in truth what this woman is claiming is so wacky that it is hardly worth answering.(5) So when this woman says that the Christian fish was a symbol of the ‘coming age of Pisces', she is saying something that no one would have thought of in antiquity because in which constellation of the fixed stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no significance and is entirely an idea of modern, I believe twentieth-century, astrology.” https://www.risenjesus.com/a-refutation-of-acharya-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy • I, the Odd Man Out am in no way affiliated with any of the researchers, & individuals from the sound clips of this episode. Anything i may have said does not reflect upon their character, or positions. I do implore you to watch their documentaries, listen to their podcasts, & read the information they have provided in response to the Zeitgeist films, & the Jordan Maxwell crew. We are very lucky to have intelligent researchers who have taken the time from their very busy lives to unearth critical responses to the Theosophical, & New Age points of view. Albert Mcilhenny-Profit of Zeitgeist, Critique of The Jesus Mythicism of Jordan Maxwell https://www.amazon.com/Prophet-Zeitgeist-Critique-Mythicism-Christian-ebook/dp/B008AV29OQ Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist The Farce https://www.amazon.com/ZEITGEIST-Mythicist-Phenomenon-Christian-Mythicism-ebook/dp/B0125U2YRE Steve Bancarz-The Second Coming of The New Age. https://www.amazon.com/Second-Coming-New-Age-Spirituality/dp/1948014114 Chris White-Mystery Babylon https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Babylon-Antichrist-Exposition-Revelation/dp/0615886523 Thank you for listening. God bless, & remember, “Their Order Is Not Our Order.” ****The name Arkanoah was taken from Manly P. Hall's Lecture on The Planets, & The Ancient Gods. ◦Where did Maxwell get his name? “There are three Trinities in the Nazarene system as well as in the Hindu philosophy… The third is Lord Jordan (Jordanus Maximus), the Water of Life. He is the one through whom alone we can be saved; and thus he answers to the Holy Ghost (the feminine principle) and to the Shekinah (veil), or spiritual garment of En-Soph.” Helena Blavatsky, Isis Unveiled ll. Jordan Maxwell, I have all of Blavatsky's Works- https://youtu.be/yf8VteSWyBE “Lord Ferho-the life which is no life-the Supreme God. The cause which produces the Light, or the Logos in abscondito. The water of “JORDANUS MAXIMUS” - the water of Life, or Ajar, the feminine principle.” HelenA Blavatsky- Unity in a trinity, enclosed within the ISH Amon.” Page 295 Two Cosmogonies Compared “Theosophy has become an integral part of the Zeitgeist—“the spirit of our time” John Alger -Theosophical Society Australia “Zeitgeist takes its name from the German word which means “time spirit” and means “the spirit of the age,” which ironically sum up the very “spirit of the antichrist” that is prophesied would to delude the world at the end of the age” (1 John 4:1-4). I highly urge you to look into the works of the people I play sound bites from on this episode. They spent a lot of time investigating these things with little, to no compensation. Chris White of Nowhere To Run- Zeitgeist Refuted https://youtu.be/Dha9MZugXqI Zeitgeist Addendum: Toward a Technocratic, Communitarian, Cybernated Society https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2013/11/28/zeitgeist-addendum-toward-a-technocratic-communitarian-cybernated-society/ Jordan Maxwell Refuted By Ben Stanhope• https://youtu.be/jYYzL6m-4UM Zeitgeist Refuted By Elliot Nesch https://youtu.be/7FwsnN4rm40 Zeitgeist Exposed By Keith Thompson https://youtu.be/h47hh-pfQKY Albert Mcilhenny-Prophet of Zeitgeist, A Critique of Jordan Maxwell https://youtu.be/7lI-dwDMhtc Keith Thompson- Aquarius, The Age of Evil https://archive.org/details/AquariusTheAgeOfEvil Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist, & Comparative Solar Religions https://youtu.be/azE5baeWTMk Steve Bancarz (Ex- New Age Teacher) Zeitgeist Debunked https://youtu.be/30AunYXtYDg Zeitgeist Exposed Pt.1 https://youtu.be/JuyIxKrw2Yk Chris White Answers Zeitgeist Documentary Makers Claims• https://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/ntr-the-real-zeitgeist-challenge-debunked/ Brief Summary, & Refutation of Claims Made In Zeitgeist•http://theologythinktank.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Apologetics_Session04_ClassNotes.pdf As Per Chris White: Gerald Massey was cited 31 times in Zeitgeist. Massey was a chief of the Ancient Order of Druids for 26 years!• Plutarch, who was used as a source on Horus, was a priest of Delphi. A religion that worshiped Horus! Interestingly enough, the Rand Corp created something called The Delphi Technique in which they use specific wording in front of crowds to trick them into thinking the ideas they want to implement are actually the audiences ideas.• Fabian Socialist, Edward Carpenter was one of Acharya's Inspirations For Zeitgeist, & her book as well.• Acharya S. & Peter Joesph explain, Virgin when it came to Isis, & other gods didn't mean the same thing in ancient times as today. As in, a female who'd never had sex. (Virgin Mary) They also changed their stories from Horus, & other gods being crucified on crosses well, they sometimes were depicted in cruciform, or essentially pictured with outstretched arms. Godfrey Higgins, who is considered one of the first Jesus Mythicists was a noted Freemason author. Manly P. Hall refers to him in several lectures. Look it up yourselves• The Fraud of Modern Theosophy PDF Book https://archive.org/details/1912MaskelyneFraudOfModernTheosophy Saga City-Jesus Was Horus Myth Debunked https://youtu.be/fk_gXe08zl8 Stop The NWO-Blavatsky, Zeitgeist, United Nations https://youtu.be/rZywYayLFwQ Chris Rosebrough of Fighting For The Faith-Debunking Zeitgeist• https://youtu.be/1NSlJETQDFU Amun-Ra was the chief of the Egyptian gods. In the early days of the Egyptian civilization, he was worshipped as two separate gods. Amun was the god who created the universe. Ra was the god of the sun and light, who traveled across the sky every day in a burning boat. Chris White Zeitgeist Addendum https://youtu.be/J09UVTZG01U Astrotheology Debunked• https://youtu.be/GqFbfTuie4s Skeptic Secular Refutation of Zeitgeist https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-02-25/#feature Chris White On Michael Tsarion https://youtu.be/Hb0i2nlku1o Archarya Ripped off Blavatsky https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Ben Stanhope Refutes Jaclyn Glenn https://youtu.be/XxQ2Cyx4QbQ Externalization of The Hierarchy Pt. 2 https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Jordan Maxwell Praises Socialist, Manly P. Hall https://youtu.be/3VwHy5TT7Co Jordan says the word “Cannibal” was derived the two words “Cana” as in, Canaan in the Bible, & Baal as a generic name for a pagan god they at one time worshiped. Another lie. This world didn't come about until the 1550's. Just one example of the many fallacies he proclaims. Again why? cannibal (n.) "human that eats human flesh," 1550s, from Spanish canibal, caribal "a savage, cannibal," from Caniba, Christopher Columbus' rendition of the Caribs' name for themselves (often given in modern transliterations as kalino or karina; s https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/zeitgeist-refuted/ https://crossexamined.org/whats-wrong-with-the-zeitgeist-movie/ Jordan Maxwell-Scam Master• https://youtu.be/n-sVaeDwG7A Jordan Maxwell Busted For International Driving Permits Scam https://freemandelusion.com/2018/07/20/winston-shrout-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell-Consumer Fraud• https://youtu.be/-ua_ZS7J048 Jordan Maxwell Explains The Scam• https://youtu.be/HwENONDZuZQ Jordan Maxwell A Freemason?• https://youtu.be/RfTprfkDztI Jordan Maxwell, Russell J. Pine https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/maxwell-jordan-et-al Jordan Maxwell Master Defrauder (text)• https://archive.is/6BWcO Jordan Maxwell False Teacher• https://therealtemple.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-jordan-maxwell.html?m=1 Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://www.reality-choice.org/42/who-is-jordan-maxwell Jordan Maxwell 'master defrauder' http://www.esotericonline.net/m/discussion?id=3204576%3ATopic%3A604489 Jordan Maxwell Court Cases https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2004/06/040617defaultjudgment.pdf Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://ppjg.me/2010/03/04/who-is-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell Exposed https://chaukeedaar.wordpress.com/tag/jordan-maxwell/ Odd Man Out Patreon https://www.patreon.com/theoddmanout Patreon-Welcome to The Society Of Cryptic Savants https://www.bitchute.com/video/C4PQuq0udPvJ/ All Odd Man Out Links https://linktr.ee/Theoddmanout Their Order Is Not Our Order!
What are the best movie trilogies of all time? In this episode we ask ourselves that very question and each discuss our personal three favourite trilogies ever. And seriously, Hamish must be cursed or something because he had another strange situation with a vehicle outside his house and while he's recounting it he's rudely interrupted by a reversing car... I think they've got it out for him. Some of the topics touched on this episode: Six really awesome movie trilogies, more bathroom talk and Gorillas in the Mist. Send us an email with any feedback or topics you'd like to hear us ramble about at collectaneaofeverything@gmail.com. Big thanks to Shaenon K. Garrity for our artwork and Anton Brown (ACBLNB) for the theme music!
Trinities are all around us, according to Sayers's masterpiece, The Mind of the Maker. In this episode, we'll discuss how Sayers shows us that the Trinity isn't a foreign idea, and it's not abracadabra (as Thomas Jefferson says). Rather, the relationship of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit is as familiar as the book on your shelf. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/lindsey-scholl/message
This week i dive into the second part of the series on the claims of Jordan Maxwell, & other Astrotheologists, & expose more of their mistakes, & lies. Again, we revisit the works of the likes of Chris White from the Nowhere To Run Podcast, Albert Mcilhenny, Elliot Nesch, Keith Thompson, & Joel Mcdurmon to show the falsities of Maxwell, & his Zeitgeist devotees. We take a deeper look at Biblical texts, & ancient history, & try our best to clear up the various mystery school claims that are leading many into the Theosophical New Age/New World Order. Now, it's time to get down that rabbit hole, far beyond the mainstream. Thank you Cheers, & Blessings Where did Maxwell get his name? “There are three Trinities in the Nazarene system as well as in the Hindu philosophy… The third is Lord Jordan (Jordanus Maximus), the Water of Life. He is the one through whom alone we can be saved; and thus he answers to the Holy Ghost (the feminine principle) and to the Shekinah (veil), or spiritual garment of En-Soph.” Helena Blavatsky, Isis Unveiled ll. Jordan Maxwell, I have all of Blavatsky's Works- https://youtu.be/yf8VteSWyBE “Lord Ferho-the life which is no life-the Supreme God. The cause which produces the Light, or the Logos in abscondito. The water of “JORDANUS MAXIMUS” - the water of Life, or Ajar, the feminine principle.” HelenA Blavatsky- Unity in a trinity, enclosed within the ISH Amon.” Page 295 Two Cosmogonies Compared “Theosophy has become an integral part of the Zeitgeist—“the spirit of our time” John Alger -Theosophical Society Australia “Zeitgeist takes its name from the German word which means “time spirit” and means “the spirit of the age,” which ironically sum up the very “spirit of the antichrist” that is prophesied would to delude the world at the end of the age” (1 John 4:1-4). I highly urge you to look into the works of the people I play sound bites from on this episode. They spent a lot of time investigating these things with little, to no compensation. Chris White of Nowhere To Run- Zeitgeist Refuted https://youtu.be/Dha9MZugXqI Zeitgeist Addendum: Toward a Technocratic, Communitarian, Cybernated Society https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2013/11/28/zeitgeist-addendum-toward-a-technocratic-communitarian-cybernated-society/ Jordan Maxwell Refuted By Ben Stanhope• https://youtu.be/jYYzL6m-4UM Zeitgeist Refuted By Elliot Nesch https://youtu.be/7FwsnN4rm40 Zeitgeist Exposed By Keith Thompson https://youtu.be/h47hh-pfQKY Albert Mcilhenny-Prophet of Zeitgeist, A Critique of Jordan Maxwell https://youtu.be/7lI-dwDMhtc Keith Thompson- Aquarius, The Age of Evil https://archive.org/details/AquariusTheAgeOfEvil Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist, & Comparative Solar Religions https://youtu.be/azE5baeWTMk Steve Bancarz (Ex- New Age Teacher) Zeitgeist Debunked https://youtu.be/30AunYXtYDg Zeitgeist Exposed Pt.1 https://youtu.be/JuyIxKrw2Yk Chris White Answers Zeitgeist Documentary Makers Claims• https://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/ntr-the-real-zeitgeist-challenge-debunked/ Brief Summary, & Refutation of Claims Made In Zeitgeist• http://theologythinktank.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Apologetics_Session04_ClassNotes.pdf As Per Chris White: Gerald Massey was cited 31 times in Zeitgeist. Massey was a chief of the Ancient Order of Druids for 26 years!• Plutarch, who was used as a source on Horus, was a priest of Delphi. A religion that worshiped Horus! Interestingly enough, the Rand Corp created something called The Delphi Technique in which they use specific wording in front of crowds to trick them into thinking the ideas they want to implement are actually the audiences ideas.• Fabian Socialist, Edward Carpenter was one of Acharya's Inspirations For Zeitgeist, & her book as well.• Acharya S. & Peter Joesph explain, Virgin when it came to Isis, & other gods didn't mean the same thing in ancient times as today. As in, a female who'd never had sex. (Virgin Mary) They also changed their stories from Horus, & other gods being crucified on crosses well, they sometimes were depicted in cruciform, or essentially pictured with outstretched arms. Godfrey Higgins, who is considered one of the first Jesus Mythicists was a noted Freemason author. Manly P. Hall refers to him in several lectures. Look it up yourselves• Lascaux Cave Goats, Horses, Rams, Fish, Lions Astrotheologists say the zodiac hasn't changed in thousands of years except for Leo/Lion was the sphinx, & crab for Cancer was crab. Referring to Egyptian in Particular. He doesn't understand the long progress of the zodiac. One of the main things to remember w/ people like Jordan Maxwell, & other Astrotheologists such as a guy I heard on a show recently is that there's no rules, or method to the madness. They can draw lines to absolutely anything. Albert Pike even said in Morals, & Dogma that at one point, there were hundreds of degrees, & many had made up allegories, & connections that didn't even make sense, or had no real connections to Masonry allegorically, or literally. The Jordanus Maximus alumni are no different. I've never heard them take chapters, or verses into historical context. You can actually do what they do to a degree with any book fiction, or Non-fiction. Lascaux Cave Paintings• https://vimeo.com/40849516 Cave Paintings date back 14,500, years, not 40,000 like researcher claimed. He also said the writings on the walls were all the animals from the modern Zodiac, & In in the correct order, even though, that would date them back centuries before the Zodiac was completed. The cave drawings of animals such as bears, deer, impaled bison, bulls, & horses. Animals that would have been in the area at the time., “The walls and ceiling of the main room and several branching chambers create steep galleries, all of which were magnificently decorated with engraved, drawn, and painted figures dating from about 15,000 b.c.. Based on carbon-14 dating, as well as the fossil record of the animal species portrayed in the paintings, the Lascaux artwork dates from the Upper Paleolithic period. The type of lithic industry, or stone tools, found and depicted further identifies Lascaux as part of the Aurignacian (Perigordian) culture present in Europe from 15,000 to 13,000 b.c.” Hall of Bulls, red deer, various felines (many now extinct), horses, and bovids plus, a bird-headed man with an erect phallus. https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/prehistoric-cave-art-found-lascaux Suspicions About Gobekli Tepe• http://www.fakearchaeology.wiki/index.php/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe Excavators Doubt Göbekli Tepe Was An Astronomical Observatory• https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/gobekli-tepe-the-worlds-first-astronomical-observatory THE MYTH OF GOBEKLI TEPE: WHAT THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL FRINGE ISN'T TELLING YOU https://drmsh.com/the-myth-of-gobekli-tepe-what-the-archaeological-fringe-isnt-telling-you/ The claim is that Cain means spear, & the name is referring to the arrow. Cain In Hebrew Does Not Mean Spear. (Sagittarius)It's defined as: "possessing" or "acquiring. https://hebrew.learnoutlive.com/what-does-the-name-cain-mean/ https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7014.htm Jesus is not called: “A Fisher of Men.” He tells his disciples who are fishers, “I will make you fishers of men.” Meaning, fishers of souls, missionaries, testifiers, proselytes. The researcher claims the term “Pride (ḡā·'ō·wn in Hebrew)comes before the fall” from Proverbs 16:8 is a reference to the Zodiac sign for Leo, the Lion because, a pack of lions are called a pride. The actual verse is: “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” KJV Etymology of the word, “Pride.” https://www.etymonline.com/word/pride The Fraud of Modern Theosophy PDF Book https://archive.org/details/1912MaskelyneFraudOfModernTheosophy Saga City-Jesus Was Horus Myth Debunked https://youtu.be/fk_gXe08zl8 Stop The NWO-Blavatsky, Zeitgeist, United Nations https://youtu.be/rZywYayLFwQ Chris Rosebrough of Fighting For The Faith-Debunking Zeitgeist• https://youtu.be/1NSlJETQDFU Amun-Ra was the chief of the Egyptian gods. In the early days of the Egyptian civilization, he was worshipped as two separate gods. Amun was the god who created the universe. Ra was the god of the sun and light, who traveled across the sky every day in a burning boat. Chris White Zeitgeist Addendum https://youtu.be/J09UVTZG01U Astrotheology Debunked• https://youtu.be/GqFbfTuie4s Skeptic Secular Refutation of Zeitgeist https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-02-25/#feature Chris White On Michael Tsarion https://youtu.be/Hb0i2nlku1o Archarya Ripped off Blavatsky https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Ben Stanhope Refutes Jaclyn Glenn https://youtu.be/XxQ2Cyx4QbQ Externalization of The Hierarchy Pt. 2 https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Jordan Maxwell Praises Socialist, Manly P. Hall https://youtu.be/3VwHy5TT7Co Jordan says the word “Cannibal” was derived the two words “Cana” as in, Canaan in the Bible, & Baal as a generic name for a pagan god they at one time worshiped. Another lie. This world didn't come about until the 1550's. Just one example of the many fallacies he proclaims. Again why? cannibal (n.) "human that eats human flesh," 1550s, from Spanish canibal, caribal "a savage, cannibal," from Caniba, Christopher Columbus' rendition of the Caribs' name for themselves (often given in modern transliterations as kalino or karina; s https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/zeitgeist-refuted/ https://crossexamined.org/whats-wrong-with-the-zeitgeist-movie/ Jordan Maxwell-Scam Master• https://youtu.be/n-sVaeDwG7A Jordan Maxwell Busted For International Driving Permits Scam https://freemandelusion.com/2018/07/20/winston-shrout-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell-Consumer Fraud• https://youtu.be/-ua_ZS7J048 Jordan Maxwell Explains The Scam• https://youtu.be/HwENONDZuZQ Jordan Maxwell A Freemason?• https://youtu.be/RfTprfkDztI Jordan Maxwell, Russell J. Pine https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/maxwell-jordan-et-al Jordan Maxwell Master Defrauder (text)• https://archive.is/6BWcO Jordan Maxwell False Teacher• https://therealtemple.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-jordan-maxwell.html?m=1 Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://www.reality-choice.org/42/who-is-jordan-maxwell Jordan Maxwell 'master defrauder' http://www.esotericonline.net/m/discussion?id=3204576%3ATopic%3A604489 Jordan Maxwell Court Cases https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2004/06/040617defaultjudgment.pdf Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://ppjg.me/2010/03/04/who-is-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell Exposed https://chaukeedaar.wordpress.com/tag/jordan-maxwell/ “Is it true that astrology played a large part in the formation of Christianity as Ms. Murdock asserts? Noel Swerdlow is Professor of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago. He has specialized in the study of the practice of astronomy in antiquity through the 17th century. I emailed Dr. Swerdlow on this matter. Here is what he had to say on Ms. Murdock's view: “In antiquity, constellations were just groups of stars, and there were no borders separating the region of one from the region of another. In astrology, for computational purposes the zodiacal signs were taken as twelve arcs of 30 degrees measured from the vernal equinox. Because of the slow westward motion of the equinoxes and solstices, what we call the precession of the equinoxes, these did not correspond to the constellations with the same names. But . . . within which group of stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no astrological significance at all. The modern ideas about the Age of Pisces or the Age of Aquarius are based upon the location of the vernal equinox in the regions of the stars of those constellations. But the regions, the borders between, those constellations are a completely modern convention of the International Astronomical Union for the purpose of mapping . . . and never had any astrological significance. I hope this is helpful although in truth what this woman is claiming is so wacky that it is hardly worth answering.(5) So when this woman says that the Christian fish was a symbol of the ‘coming age of Pisces', she is saying something that no one would have thought of in antiquity because in which constellation of the fixed stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no significance and is entirely an idea of modern, I believe twentieth-century, astrology.” https://www.risenjesus.com/a-refutation-of-acharya-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy Disinformation Agents of the New World Order – David Icke, Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, etc. https://www.jamesjpn.net/conspiracy/disinformation-agents-of-the-new-worldly-order-david-icke-alex-jones-zeitgeist-etc/ Another claim In Zeitgeist was that Horus like Jesus, had 12 disciples.- According to most Egyptologists: Horus had four semi-gods that were followers. There is a legend that says Horus had 16 human followers and an unspecified number of blacksmiths that went into war with him. Nothing credible about 12 followers, or disciples.• Jesus Compared To Dionysus• http://www.stephenjbedard.com/2010/01/01/the-bacchae/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost Yet Another Jordan Maxwell UFO Encounter• https://youtu.be/ZIStjTu443Y Jordan Maxwell Out of Body Experience https://youtu.be/-nTwQjjL-ic Jordan Maxwell's Role In The New World Order http://redefininggod.com/2014/12/what-is-jordan-maxwells-role-in-the-new-world-order-rollout/ Manuscript Evidence For Jesus https://youtu.be/Uo70h_gGN8o Origins of The Cap, & Gown. (Nothing To Do With Saturn) The gowns were traditionally other colors (not just black, & they wore them because they were often in buildings without heat. https://www.graduationsource.com/blog/graduation-cap-and-gown-history/ Astrology Doesn't Work, & Never Did• https://www.zmescience.com/other/feature-post/astrology-doesnt-work-and-never-worked-heres-why/ Astrology and Horoscopes Uncloaked https://www.relativelyinteresting.com/astrology-and-horoscopes-debunked/?utm_source=org Debunking Astrology – The Planets Just Aren't That Into You https://ascienceenthusiast.com/the-planets-are-not-that-much-into-you/ A Complete Refutation of Astrology https://archive.org/details/acompleterefuta00moodgoog History of The Engagement Ring, or (Band) Nothing to do with Saturn. https://www.weddingbee.com/rings/the-history-of-engagement-rings-from-many-cultures/ History of Crowns - Origin and Symbolism of Crown (Nothing To Do With Rings of Saturn) The ancients obviously couldn't see the rings of Saturn from earth, & what were married couples going to do, wear square, or triangular rings on their fingers? A circle is an ancient sign of eternity. http://www.historyofhats.net/headgear-history/history-of-crowns/ Ben Stanhope https://independent.academia.edu/BenStanhope Chris White/Nowhere To Run Podcast (Please check out, & support his work) https://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/ Book of Jasher says Abraham did not worship the sun, moon, & stars• Battling B.S. - Jesus is not Krishna, and he isn't Mithra, and he isn't Horus,…etc https://theicidalmaniac.wordpress.com/tag/debunking-zeitgeist/ Is The Movie Zeitgeist Accurate? http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/movie-%E2%80%9Czeitgeist%E2%80%9D-accurate Bill Cooper Exposes Jordan Maxwell https://youtu.be/mp1IbAt2r8Q Kersey Graves Druid, Spiritualist, & The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors-The Secular Web- Source For Zeitgeist (Problems With His Claims) https://infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html The Non-Crucified Non-Saviors of the World http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?article=973 Edward Carpenter, Fabian Socialist, One of DM Murdoch's Sources for Zeiteist• Dr. Michael Heiser Website Dedicated To Refuting Claims of Zecharia Sitchin http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/ No Evidence For The Resurrection of Tammuz https://academic.oup.com/jss/article-abstract/XI/1/10/1728816 Jesus, No Relation To Esus http://www.chronarchy.com/esus/aboutesus.html The Freed Thinker | Interview with Albert McIlhenny on Podbean, check it out! https://www.podbean.com/ei/pb-wg2ca-57e493 Deeper Waters with Nick Peters | Against Jesus Mythicism on Podbean https://www.podbean.com/ei/dir-wc9s4-160f56c Mythicists Trying To Refute Nazareth https://jamesbishopblog.com/2020/10/11/jesus-mythicists-trying-to-refute-nazareth-the-case-of-rene-salm/ Zeitgeist Movement Exposed• https://zeitgeistmovementsbak.wordpress.com/category/the-zeitgeist-movie/page/2/ Madame Blavatsky's Baboon http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/blavatsky.htm Dr. Michael Heiser On Zecharia Sitchin, & Nibiru Hoax https://youtu.be/avivgDOAwA8 The Naked Truth claimed the word Amen, originated from the Greco-Roman Version of the Egyptian god Ammon, & in Egyptian Amun Ra, sometimes spelled Amen Ra. amen (interj.) Old English, from Late Latin amen, from Ecclesiastical Greek amen, from Hebrew amen "truth," used adverbially as an expression of agreement (as in Deuteronomy xxvii.26, I Kings i.36), from Semitic root a-m-n "to be trustworthy, confirm, support. 13th Century modern English Elliot Nesch Facebook• https://m.facebook.com/elliott.nesch Debunking Theosophy http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/jesus_myth.htm https://strangenotions.com/exploding-mithras-myth/ What is Jordan Maxwell's Role In the NWO? Do a recap of the many falsities• • I, the Odd Man Out am in no way affiliated with any of the researchers, & individuals from the sound clips of this episode. Anything i may have said does not reflect upon their character, or positions. I do implore you to watch their documentaries, listen to their podcasts, & read the information they have provided in response to the Zeitgeist films, & the Jordan Maxwell crew. We are very lucky to have intelligent researchers who have taken the time from their very busy lives to unearth critical responses to the Theosophical, & New Age points of view. Albert Mcilhenny-Profit of Zeitgeist, Critique of The Jesus Mythicism of Jordan Maxwell https://www.amazon.com/Prophet-Zeitgeist-Critique-Mythicism-Christian-ebook/dp/B008AV29OQ Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist The Farce https://www.amazon.com/ZEITGEIST-Mythicist-Phenomenon-Christian-Mythicism-ebook/dp/B0125U2YRE Steve Bancarz-The Second Coming of The New Age. https://www.amazon.com/Second-Coming-New-Age-Spirituality/dp/1948014114 Chris White-Mystery Babylon https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Babylon-Antichrist-Exposition-Revelation/dp/0615886523 ****The name Arkanoah was taken from Manly P. Hall's Lecture on The Planets, & The Ancient Gods. Odd Man Out Patreon https://www.patreon.com/theoddmanout Patreon-Welcome to The Society Of Cryptic Savants https://www.bitchute.com/video/C4PQuq0udPvJ/ All Odd Man Out Links https://linktr.ee/Theoddmanout “Their Order Is Not Our Order!
Taking a deeper look at Jordanus Maximus, The Naked Truth, Mythinfo Agents, & Astrotheology This is a show i've been wanting to do for years. Long before I started this podcast, I was reading Jordan Maxwell, & that eventually led me into investigating the truth of his claims. This episode will not be for everyone especially if you're a fan of Jordan Maxwell, & his Astrotheology disciples. If so, you'll hate it, but at least be honest enough to ask yourselves why? One thing to consider about his works: Yes, he was right about some things, especially concerning governments, banking, & new world order agendas, but those things had already been exposed years earlier by people like, William Guy Carr, Myron C. Fagan, Eustace Mullins, Gary Allen, Carroll Quigley, Anthony C. Sutton, Ralph Epperson, & even, Abbe Barruel, & John Robison decades earlier. The main question i have to ask: If Astrotheology is true, why would Maxwell, & the others have to lie about so many different things? Why the false connection to word origins from different languages formed in different time periods that have absolutely no relation? Why make up such silly stories about biblical texts, & ancient history that the world of secular scholars easily debunks? The people from the Bible lived in agrarian societies where they survived off the land. Of course, you would find fish, cows, & other animals that are included in the modern Zodiac. After all, it has some of those basic animals in it. As Albert Mcilhenny points out, Jesus is also called the Lion of The Tribe of Judah so, why not equate him w/ Leo? Why not divulge that many of your claims came straight from occultists like, Massey, & Higgins? Why would Jordan, lie, & act as if he isn't a big Blavatsky fan? He's openly claimed to have been a protege of late Rosicrucian/Freemason philosopher Manly P. Hall. BTW, Hall's estate has denied the fact. Why would the rest not admit that they are coming from a Theosophy/New Age standpoint? Jordan Maxwell, & his emissaries know full well that most people are ignorant of modern history, let alone, ancient history. They know most won't understand that much of the info they represent came from various occultists, & that modern research, & evidence has proven many of those claims to be incorrect. They counted on most to not understand how many of the stories from later antiquity were Hellenized to fit the narratives of the time. They also understood, those who are new to realizing things aren't quite the way they've been led to believe are easily thrown into pure nihilism. This makes them easy targets because they tend to grab onto others who are professing a knowledge of alternative facts, & they aren't yet equipped to discern truth from lies. Another interesting aspect to keep in mind, Blavatsky tried her hand at several different things before hooking up with Alcott, & getting the Theosophical Society going. She herself, was a Co-Mason, although like Jordan Maxwell, she took many shots at the higher degrees of Freemasonry. Perhaps, it's because, Theosophy, & Freemasonry were competing tribes, & initiates equaled money. Perhaps, it's just another way to create chaos through words, & throw the truth seekers off the the path. In any case, they were planning on their audience not investigating the truth about their claims. Many of which are easily refuted. I could go on, & on, but let's look further into it. Chris White points out that the idea that Jesus never existed didn't come about until the 17th century. Why would the Jews create a mythos around a god they didn't believe in, & who stood against many of their traditional, & overly legalistic values, & why would the Romans create a god that clearly posed a threat to them, & their leadership? Where did Maxwell get his name? “There are three Trinities in the Nazarene system as well as in the Hindu philosophy… The third is Lord Jordan (Jordanus Maximus), the Water of Life. He is the one through whom alone we can be saved; and thus he answers to the Holy Ghost (the feminine principle) and to the Shekinah (veil), or spiritual garment of En-Soph.” Helena Blavatsky, Isis Unveiled ll. Jordan Maxwell, I have all of Blavatsky's Works- https://youtu.be/yf8VteSWyBE “Lord Ferho-the life which is no life-the Supreme God. The cause which produces the Light, or the Logos in abscondito. The water of “JORDANUS MAXIMUS” - the water of Life, or Ajar, the feminine principle.” HelenA Blavatsky- Unity in a trinity, enclosed within the ISH Amon.” Page 295 Two Cosmogonies Compared “Theosophy has become an integral part of the Zeitgeist—“the spirit of our time” John Alger -Theosophical Society Australia “Zeitgeist takes its name from the German word which means “time spirit” and means “the spirit of the age,” which ironically sum up the very “spirit of the antichrist” that is prophesied would to delude the world at the end of the age” (1 John 4:1-4). I highly urge you to look into the works of the people I play sound bites from on this episode. They spent a lot of time investigating these things with little, to no compensation. Chris White of Nowhere To Run- Zeitgeist Refuted https://youtu.be/Dha9MZugXqI Zeitgeist Addendum: Toward a Technocratic, Communitarian, Cybernated Society https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2013/11/28/zeitgeist-addendum-toward-a-technocratic-communitarian-cybernated-society/ Jordan Maxwell Refuted By Ben Stanhope• https://youtu.be/jYYzL6m-4UM Zeitgeist Refuted By Elliot Nesch https://youtu.be/7FwsnN4rm40 Zeitgeist Exposed By Keith Thompson https://youtu.be/h47hh-pfQKY Albert Mcilhenny-Prophet of Zeitgeist, A Critique of Jordan Maxwell https://youtu.be/7lI-dwDMhtc Keith Thompson- Aquarius, The Age of Evil https://archive.org/details/AquariusTheAgeOfEvil Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist, & Comparative Solar Religions https://youtu.be/azE5baeWTMk Steve Bancarz (Ex- New Age Teacher) Zeitgeist Debunked https://youtu.be/30AunYXtYDg Zeitgeist Exposed Pt.1 https://youtu.be/JuyIxKrw2Yk Chris White Answers Zeitgeist Documentary Makers Claims• https://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/ntr-the-real-zeitgeist-challenge-debunked/ As Per Chris White: Gerald Massey was cited 31 times in Zeitgeist. Massey was a chief of the Ancient Order of Druids for 26 years!• Plutarch, who was used as a source on Horus, was a priest of Delphi. A religion that worshiped Horus! Interestingly enough, the Rand Corp created something called The Delphi Technique in which they use specific wording in front of crowds to trick them into thinking the ideas they want to implement are actually the people's ideas.• Fabian Socialist, Edward Carpenter was one of Acharya's Inspirations For Zeitgeist, & her book as well.• Acharya S. & Peter Joesph explain, Virgin when it came to Isis, & other gods didn't mean the same thing in ancient times as today. As in, a female who'd never had sex. (Virgin Mary) They also changed their stories from Horus, & other gods being crucified on crosses well, they sometimes were depicted in cruciform, or essentially pictured with outstretched arms. Godfrey Higgins, who is considered one of the first Jesus Mythicists was a noted Freemason author. Look it up yourselves• The Fraud of Modern Theosophy PDF Book https://archive.org/details/1912MaskelyneFraudOfModernTheosophy Saga City-Jesus Was Horus Myth Debunked https://youtu.be/fk_gXe08zl8 Stop The NWO-Blavatsky, Zeitgeist, United Nations https://youtu.be/rZywYayLFwQ Chris Rosebrough of Fighting For The Faith-Debunking Zeitgeist• https://youtu.be/1NSlJETQDFU Amun-Ra was the chief of the Egyptian gods. In the early days of the Egyptian civilization, he was worshipped as two separate gods. Amun was the god who created the universe. Ra was the god of the sun and light, who traveled across the sky every day in a burning boat. Chris White Zeitgeist Addendum https://youtu.be/J09UVTZG01U Astrotheology Debunked• https://youtu.be/GqFbfTuie4s Chris White On Michael Tsarion https://youtu.be/Hb0i2nlku1o Archarya Ripped off Blavatsky https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Ben Stanhope Refutes Jaclyn Glenn https://youtu.be/XxQ2Cyx4QbQ Externalization of The Hierarchy Pt. 2 https://youtu.be/LbmIwgNQKmo Jordan Maxwell Praises Socialist, Manly P. Hall https://youtu.be/3VwHy5TT7Co Jordan says the word “Cannibal” was derived the two words “Cana” as in, Canaan in the Bible, & Baal as a generic name for a pagan god they at one time worshiped. Another lie. This world didn't come about until the 1550's. Just one example of the many fallacies he proclaims. Again why? cannibal (n.) "human that eats human flesh," 1550s, from Spanish canibal, caribal "a savage, cannibal," from Caniba, Christopher Columbus' rendition of the Caribs' name for themselves (often given in modern transliterations as kalino or karina; s https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/zeitgeist-refuted/ https://crossexamined.org/whats-wrong-with-the-zeitgeist-movie/ Jordan Maxwell-Scam Master• https://youtu.be/n-sVaeDwG7A Jordan Maxwell Busted For International Driving Permits Scam https://freemandelusion.com/2018/07/20/winston-shrout-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell-Consumer Fraud• https://youtu.be/-ua_ZS7J048 Jordan Maxwell Explains The Scam• https://youtu.be/HwENONDZuZQ Jordan Maxwell A Freemason?• https://youtu.be/RfTprfkDztI Jordan Maxwell, Russell J. Pine https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/maxwell-jordan-et-al Jordan Maxwell Master Defrauder (text)• https://archive.is/6BWcO Jordan Maxwell False Teacher• https://therealtemple.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-jordan-maxwell.html?m=1 Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://www.reality-choice.org/42/who-is-jordan-maxwell Jordan Maxwell 'master defrauder' http://www.esotericonline.net/m/discussion?id=3204576%3ATopic%3A604489 Jordan Maxwell Court Cases https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2004/06/040617defaultjudgment.pdf Who Is Jordan Maxwell?• https://ppjg.me/2010/03/04/who-is-jordan-maxwell/ Jordan Maxwell Exposed https://chaukeedaar.wordpress.com/tag/jordan-maxwell/ “Is it true that astrology played a large part in the formation of Christianity as Ms. Murdock asserts? Noel Swerdlow is Professor of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago. He has specialized in the study of the practice of astronomy in antiquity through the 17th century. I emailed Dr. Swerdlow on this matter. Here is what he had to say on Ms. Murdock's view: In antiquity, constellations were just groups of stars, and there were no borders separating the region of one from the region of another. In astrology, for computational purposes the zodiacal signs were taken as twelve arcs of 30 degrees measured from the vernal equinox. Because of the slow westward motion of the equinoxes and solstices, what we call the precession of the equinoxes, these did not correspond to the constellations with the same names. But . . . within which group of stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no astrological significance at all. The modern ideas about the Age of Pisces or the Age of Aquarius are based upon the location of the vernal equinox in the regions of the stars of those constellations. But the regions, the borders between, those constellations are a completely modern convention of the International Astronomical Union for the purpose of mapping . . . and never had any astrological significance. I hope this is helpful although in truth what this woman is claiming is so wacky that it is hardly worth answering.(5) So when this woman says that the Christian fish was a symbol of the ‘coming age of Pisces', she is saying something that no one would have thought of in antiquity because in which constellation of the fixed stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no significance and is entirely an idea of modern, I believe twentieth-century, astrology.” https://www.risenjesus.com/a-refutation-of-acharya-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy Disinformation Agents of the New World Order – David Icke, Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, etc. https://www.jamesjpn.net/conspiracy/disinformation-agents-of-the-new-worldly-order-david-icke-alex-jones-zeitgeist-etc/ Another claim In Zeitgeist was that Horus like Jesus, had 12 disciples.- According to most Egyptologists, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers. There is a legend that says Horus had 16 human followers and an unspecified number of blacksmiths that went into war with him. Nothing credible about 12 followers, or disciples.• Jesus Compared To Dionysus• http://www.stephenjbedard.com/2010/01/01/the-bacchae/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost Yet Another Jordan Maxwell UFO Encounter• https://youtu.be/ZIStjTu443Y Jordan Maxwell Out of Body Experience https://youtu.be/-nTwQjjL-ic Jordan Maxwell's Role In The New World Order http://redefininggod.com/2014/12/what-is-jordan-maxwells-role-in-the-new-world-order-rollout/ Manuscript Evidence For Jesus https://youtu.be/Uo70h_gGN8o Origins of The Cap, & Gown. (Nothing To Do With Saturn) The gowns were traditionally other colors, & they wore them because they were often in buildings without heat. https://www.graduationsource.com/blog/graduation-cap-and-gown-history/ Astrology Doesn't Work, & Never Did• https://www.zmescience.com/other/feature-post/astrology-doesnt-work-and-never-worked-heres-why/ Astrology and Horoscopes Uncloaked https://www.relativelyinteresting.com/astrology-and-horoscopes-debunked/?utm_source=org Debunking Astrology – The Planets Just Aren't That Into You https://ascienceenthusiast.com/the-planets-are-not-that-much-into-you/ A Complete Refutation of Astrology https://archive.org/details/acompleterefuta00moodgoog History of The Engagement Ring, or (Band) https://www.weddingbee.com/rings/the-history-of-engagement-rings-from-many-cultures/ History of Crowns - Origin and Symbolism of Crown (Nothing To Do With Rings of Saturn) The ancients obviously couldn't see the rings of Saturn from earth, & what were married couples going to do, wear square, or triangular rings on their fingers? A circle is an ancient sign of eternity. http://www.historyofhats.net/headgear-history/history-of-crowns/ Ben Stanhope https://independent.academia.edu/BenStanhope Chris White/Nowhere To Run Podcast (Please check out, & support his work) https://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/ Book of Jasher says Abraham did not worship the sun, moon, & stars• Battling B.S. - Jesus is not Krishna, and he isn't Mithra, and he isn't Horus,…etc https://theicidalmaniac.wordpress.com/tag/debunking-zeitgeist/ Is The Movie Zeitgeist Accurate? http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/movie-%E2%80%9Czeitgeist%E2%80%9D-accurate Bill Cooper Exposes Jordan Maxwell https://youtu.be/mp1IbAt2r8Q Kersey Graves Druid, Spiritualist, & The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors-The Secular Web- Source For Zeitgeist (Problems With His Claims) https://infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html The Non-Crucified Non-Saviors of the World http://www.apologeticspress.org/APContent.aspx?article=973 Edward Carpenter, Fabian Socialist, One of DM Murdoch's Sources for Zeiteist• Dr. Michael Heiser Website Dedicated To Refuting Claims of Zecharia Sitchin http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/ No Evidence For The Resurrection of Tammuz https://academic.oup.com/jss/article-abstract/XI/1/10/1728816 Jesus, No Relation To Esus http://www.chronarchy.com/esus/aboutesus.html The Freed Thinker | Interview with Albert McIlhenny on Podbean, check it out! https://www.podbean.com/ei/pb-wg2ca-57e493 Deeper Waters with Nick Peters | Against Jesus Mythicism on Podbean https://www.podbean.com/ei/dir-wc9s4-160f56c Mythicists Trying To Refute Nazareth https://jamesbishopblog.com/2020/10/11/jesus-mythicists-trying-to-refute-nazareth-the-case-of-rene-salm/ Zeitgeist Movement Exposed• https://zeitgeistmovementsbak.wordpress.com/category/the-zeitgeist-movie/page/2/ Madame Blavatsky's Baboon http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/blavatsky.htm Dr. Michael Heiser On Zecharia Sitchin, & Nibiru Hoax https://youtu.be/avivgDOAwA8 The Naked Truth claimed the word Amen, originated from the Greco-Roman Version of the Egyptian god Ammon, & in Egyptian Amun Ra, sometimes spelled Amen Ra. amen (interj.) Old English, from Late Latin amen, from Ecclesiastical Greek amen, from Hebrew amen "truth," used adverbially as an expression of agreement (as in Deuteronomy xxvii.26, I Kings i.36), from Semitic root a-m-n "to be trustworthy, confirm, support. 13th Century modern English Elliot Nesch Facebook• https://m.facebook.com/elliott.nesch Debunking Theosophy http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/jesus_myth.htm https://strangenotions.com/exploding-mithras-myth/ What is Jordan Maxwell's Role In the NWO? Do a recap of the many falsities• • I, the Odd Man Out am in no way affiliated with any of the researchers, & individuals from the sound clips of this episode. Anything i may have said does not reflect upon their character, or positions. I do implore you to watch their documentaries, listen to their podcasts, & read the information they have provided in response to the Zeitgeist films, & the Jordan Maxwell crew. We are very lucky to have intelligent researchers who have taken the time from their very busy lives to unearth critical responses to the Theosophical, & New Age points of view. Albert Mcilhenny-Profit of Zeitgeist, Critique of The Jesus Mythicism of Jordan Maxwell https://www.amazon.com/Prophet-Zeitgeist-Critique-Mythicism-Christian-ebook/dp/B008AV29OQ Albert Mcilhenny-Zeitgeist The Farce https://www.amazon.com/ZEITGEIST-Mythicist-Phenomenon-Christian-Mythicism-ebook/dp/B0125U2YRE Steve Bancarz-The Second Coming of The New Age. https://www.amazon.com/Second-Coming-New-Age-Spirituality/dp/1948014114 Chris White-Mystery Babylon https://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Babylon-Antichrist-Exposition-Revelation/dp/0615886523 Thank you for listening. God bless, & remember, “Their Order Is Not Our Order.”
What was it like working at a Christian organization, and how did being a unitarian Christian factor in? A light-hearted talk with Anna Brown about her pleasant experience at the Colson Center. OPENING REMARKS Mainstream Christianity's general unawareness of unitarian Christians, Peter Pan, TINOs, and councel from the wise-sounding man. SCRIPTURES John 1:1 - A prime go-to verse to clearly layout to unitarian Christians how they are clearly wrong. REFERENCES Unitarian Christian Alliance FAQ Dale Tuggy, “podcast 308 – Channing's “Unitarian Christianity” – Part 1” Trinities, November 2, 2020. Biblical Unitarianism - Wikipedia Peter Pan Christian, What Do You Believe? Probably a Heresy About Jesus, Says Survey 1. The Perilous Trinity Deep Dive UCA podcast, November 17, 2020. Colson Center for Christian Worldview The Way International Against the Flow - John Lennox (book about Daniel) Wilberforce Weekend Urban Cure - Star Parker Restitutio UCA Group Setup Tutorial - YouTube FEEDBACK Provide some additional audio content! Questions, comments, or sober warnings. Say your first name and your state or country. "Hey, it's Thomas from Bahamas. Your fruit painting illustration..." Email podcast@unitarianchristianalliance.org Click here to RECORD A MESSAGE Or call: 615-581-1158 LISTENING TIPS If your podcast app lets you remove silences, maybe don't. You might enjoy this better with the silences left in. Twitter https://twitter.com/UCApodcast
This week, Tori and Indy do a deep dive on one of Jack Stratton's Holy Trinities: Tambourine!!!Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-conscious-club-podcast/donations
This week on TCCP, Tori and Indy dive deep into the holy trinities of minimalist funk arrangers.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-conscious-club-podcast/donations
This episode of the One God Report podcast is the second part of our two-part interview with Christian philosopher, Dr. Dale Tuggy, examining the historical development of the Trinity in the centuries following Jesus. If you haven’t heard part 1, you may want to listen to that episode first in which Dr. Tuggy surveyed major historical and theological developments of the 100s and 200s AD. - We saw in the first episode that at least into the mid-AD 200s, none of the church fathers were Trinitarian in the sense that none of them believed in a tri-personal, co-equal, co-eternal god. - In the current episode, Dr. Tuggy has us look at major developments leading up to and including the Council of Nicea in AD 325. - Then we will hear about the three Cappadocian fathers (Cappadocian was a region in what is now central modern Turkey). The Cappadocian fathers laid the ground work for what led to the so-called 2nd Ecumenical Council, the Council of Constantinople of AD 381. - Before the AD 381 Council of Constantinople, even though some church fathers believed in a second, lesser god they called the Logos, they insisted on their monotheism by emphasizing the One True God, the Father. - However, after the 381 Constantinople Council, the title “God” began to be considered the Trinity, that is, one god in three persons. Dr. Tuggy explains that the first Christian Trinitarians - those who believed in three persons in one God - did not show up historically until the late AD 300s. In other words, no Christian believed in a three-persons-in-one-God until some 350 years after Jesus lived on earth. - Dr. Dale Tuggy served as Professor of Philosophy at the State University of New York at Fredonia for 18 years. His PhD is from Brown University. He has authored about two dozen peer-reviewed articles and book chapters relating to the Trinity and other topics in analytic theology and philosophy of religion; for instance, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on the Trinity, and his book called What is the Trinity? Thinking about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Since 2013 he has hosted “The Trinities” podcast which explores theories about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. His podcast and articles can be found on the webpage https://trinities.org - Additional articles, books, podcasts and videos relating to the development of Christian theology in the centuries following Jesus Christ can be found on the One God Report resource page http://www.onegodreport.com/evolution_of_trinitarian_doctrine
In Part 1 of this two part series, Dr. Dale Tuggy leads us through the development of Christian theology of the AD 100s and into the AD 200s. - Dr. Dale Tuggy served as Professor of Philosophy at the State University of New York at Fredonia for 18 years. His PhD is from Brown University. He has authored about two dozen peer-reviewed articles and book chapters relating to the Trinity and other topics in analytic theology and philosophy of religion; for instance, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on the Trinity, and his book called What is the Trinity? Thinking about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Since 2013 he has hosted “The Trinities” podcast which explores theories about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. His podcast and articles can be found on the webpage https://trinities.org - In Part 1, Dr. Tuggy describes some main features of Christian theology and Christology of the AD 2nd century (AD 100s), including the centralization of authority in bishops, development of Logos theories from Hellenistic views of creation, presenting Christ as a kind of pre-existent yet "second, lesser, derived god", that is, not the One God, the Father. This is the view of Justin Martyr. Then later, as promoted by the "church father" Origin, Christ was said to have been eternally generated. As much as Christ became "god", his humanity became less and less significant. - Dr. Tuggy maintains that none of the "church fathers" of the AD 100s and 200s were Trinitarians, that is, none believed that the One God was the Trinity. All of them still referred to the One God as the Father. - In Part 2, Dr. Tuggy will take us into the AD 4th century (AD 300s), including discussion about the Councils of Nicea (AD 325), the Cappadocia -Fathers, and the Council of Constantinople (AD 381) - Additional articles, books, podcasts and videos relating to the development of Christian theology in the centuries following Jesus Christ can be found on the One God Report resource page http://www.onegodreport.com/evolution_of_trinitarian_doctrine
Dr. Albert Rossi discusses the Two Trinities - the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and Me, Myself and I.
Dr. Albert Rossi discusses the Two Trinities - the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and Me, Myself and I.
The Noted crew end the year with some flavor trinity base recipes! Check out this great episode and get the recipes here.
Dr. Albert Rossi discusses the Two Trinities - the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and Me, Myself and I.
Nick Tosches (1949-2019) in conversation with Richard Wolinsky and Richard A. Lupoff, recorded October 19, 1994. Nick Tosches, who died on October 20th, 2019, three days shy of his 70th birthday, was the quintessential professional writer. He wrote everything from record reviews to biographies to essays to novels. His career, which began as a rock journalist for Creem and Rolling Stone magazines, eventually took him into biographies of Jerry Lee Lewis and Dean Martin, various works of non-fiction, novels, poetry and journalistic essays. On October 19th, 1994, Richard Wolinsky and Richard A. Lupoff sat down with Nick Tosches while he was on tour for his novel, “Trinities,” which is about an underground war for world-wide control of the heroin trade and is based, in part, on research for another book, “Power on Earth,” published in 1986, which is the biography of Italian banker Michele Sindona, who was linked both with some of the world's largest financial institutions, the Vatican and the Italian underworld. After the interview, Nick Tosches published five more books of fiction and poetry, biographies of boxer Sonny Liston, minstrel singer Emmet Miller and gangster Arnold Rothstein, and three other works of journalism. He also appeared on Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations in 2009. Trinities appears out of print but used copies are easily available on line. The post Nick Tosches (1949-2019) appeared first on KPFA.
Aristotle called three a perfect number. We offer three cheers of praise. Christians envisage God as triune. In this new episode of The Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon ask why three is associated with completion, creativity, dynamism and divinity. Their discussion ranges over the patterns of three that are revealed in nature; the relationship between being, consciousness and bliss; the links between a third position and transformation in psychotherapy. The discussion was prompted a Cambridge University conference, New Trinitarian Ontologies, which featured leading theologians such as Rowan Williams and David Bentley Hart. Their talks can be found online - https://www.newtrinitarianontologies.com/
Breaking the Glass Slipper: Women in science fiction, fantasy, and horror
From ancient mythology and religious texts to Star Trek and Harry Potter, trinities – or trios – have always been a common motif. Why is the power of three so potent and what tropes do we tend to see? To help us delve into this subject, we have enlisted the help of an author of […]
My name is Lila, and I love sleepovers, spooning, sharing, storytelling, sex, and stargazing, among other things. So I metaphorically rolled them up in audio form and called it a podcast. Horizontal with lila is Slow Radio. It’s intimacies of all kinds. It’s consensual eavesdropping. It’s us lying down right next to each other, wearing robes, sharing secrets, in your ears. Each horizontal session with a guest is between 2 and 3ish hours long, and divided into two episodes. Part ones, like this one, are available anywhere you get your podcasts, and part twos are available exclusively to patrons of the horizontal arts. As you might imagine, the part twos go deep, since we’ve been marinating in conversation for over an hour. And at the very very end, my guest tells me a story of some intimacy. For access to The Full Horizontal,go to Patreon.com/horizontalwithlila, and become a patron of $5 or more per month, because... Fair warning, horizontal lovers! When I launch Season 3, (and it is happening Soon) I’ll be shifting some things, revealing a couple of surprises, and revamping my Patreon tiers: If you’ve already become a patron, you’ll be grandfathered in with access to all the episodes and my gratitude for being an early listener. In this episode, recorded in a slender little apartment in Brooklyn, New York, I lie down with Lee. Lee is a Pleasure Guide: a Tantrika, a Bodyworker, an Intimacy Coach. She’s a Sensuality specialist. I first met Lee when she was working with a friend of mine at The Women of Venus (which you’ll hear about in part two, episode 71). I’ve been trying to get her to move in with us at Hacienda Villa for about a year now. When I’m around Lee, I feel warm and grounded. She is exceptionally supportive and clear-eyed, at the same time. Her belief in the version of me that I love the most, my favorite self, and my potential to embody that self and act beautifully on the world is like … an amulet that she has made by hand. She has her finger on the pulse of the Great Mystery, without being a prig about it. She’s a girl’s girl, a woman’s woman, with a generous dash of humility, and a fierce commitment to stand for her own growth, and for yours. For all of the information about Lee’s Intimacy and Pleasure Coaching practice, find her on LeeNoto.com This episode was recorded in Lee’s bed, in another part of Brooklyn, and though you are spared the trains screeching around the bend like they do when I record in my room, there’s a few sonic visitors: an old heating unit, a creaky ceiling that is someone else’s floor, some pretty raucous neighbors, and… a plane or two. City living. Local color. In this part of our conversation, we talk about slow-going sex and celibacy, plant medicine journeys and masturbation, objectifying yourself and faking orgasms, promiscuity as rebellious self-expression, pushing buttons just to know what they’re for, the glorious practice of bragging, a Tiger Mom, and driving herself to perfection so hard that her face paralyzed itself to get her attention. To see pictures from this recording session, and get behind-the-scenes access to horizontality and my sex-positive life, follow @horizontalwithlila on Instagram, and sign up for my missives on horizontalwithlila.com And now, come lie down with not one, but two recovering perfectionists, in Brooklyn, New York. *** Let me give some credit where credit is due: Chad Michael Snavely is my editor. He’s a podcast maven, and you can find his full roster on chadmichael.com. Alan Markley composed my intro music, and his exploits can be witnessed on Instagram as plasticcannons. Shana Shay created my cover art, and you can hire her for graphic design and character illustration on 99 Designs. In next week’s episode of horizontal, the second part of my conversation with Lee, episode 71, we discuss intentional masturbation, receiving oral sex, fantasies of auto-cunnilingus, giving yourself what you wish for a partner to give you, the indefinable mystery of tantra, red tantra, white tantra, urban tantra, a tantric temple called The Women of Venus, Mama Gena’s practices of Trinities, Swamping, and Spring Cleaning... And Lee & I do something unprecedented on the podcast, something I’ve never heard recorded anywhere else: we each do a Spring Clean on a topic we’re struggling with in real time, stream of consciousness style, and entirely unedited. I feel a little bit nervous to share it, actually, but that’s when I know I have something really worthwhile to reveal. Next week’s installment is available exclusively to my beloved patrons of the horizontal arts. Become one and get access to The Full Horizontal catalog on Patreon.com/horizontalwithlila On Saturday, March 16th, Lee is curating an event called Eating Out: an Erotic Feast inspired by oral sex. She calls it an Edible Education. For all the details, visit her at LeeNoto.com and sign up for her mailing list. On Thursday, March 28th, I’m leading The Art of Trust: an Intimacy Games Workshop. If you’ve seen any of the shots from my Intimacy Warriors photoshoots, you might have an inkling of what this workshop will be like. We’ll play games like Sphinx, Hot Seat, Human Conveyor Belt, and the Touch Gauntlet. Details coming soon. Until next week, may you have someone to love, something to do, and many things to look forward to! Thank you for getting horizontal.
Episode 32 inaugurates our new episode series "Books Casually Left on the Shelf" (working title). This book was a hidden gem for us, and we hope you enjoy as much as we did diving into the arabesque and unholy trinities with Jan Potocki's "The Manuscript Found in Saragossa." If you're a patron, make sure you've read up on the novel with the email we sent containing a multitude of sources that we used in preparation for the episode. If not, get a copy and get lost in the mind of a writer of the Renaissance who had a penchant for sexual daydreams involving two or more people, and who might have believed himself to be a werewolf. Come for the unpacking of a novel touching all areas of knowledge, stay for the 17th century sexual intrigue and lycanthropy. We've been receiving many emails from listeners, and it's been the strongest of winds in our sails to continue doing what we love. Thank you all who have written, thank you to our Patreon members and, as always, thanks for listening. Best, Alex & Jake
Are you curious how Dale Tuggy thinks he did on the Trinity debate with Michael Brown? In this post-debate interview I ask him about his strongest points as well as what he thought Brown’s strongest arguments were. I ask Tuggy about Brown’s Trinity theory and he explains the “one self” version of the Trinity as Read more about Interview 51 Dale Tuggy Post-Debate Review[…]
Last night Michael Brown (PhD NYU) and Dale Tuggy (PhD Brown U) debated the question, “Is the God of the Bible the Father Alone?” Tuggy affirmed while Brown denied. Both scholars recognize the inspiration and the authority of scripture over tradition. Both made an effort to found their beliefs using the bible, reason, and history. Read more about 158 Dale Tuggy vs. Michael Brown Debate: Is the God of the Bible the Father Alone?[…]
What is heresy? "Trinities" Podcast released an episode entitled, “The Death of Unitarian Congregationalism," which explored the history of the Unitarian Congregationalist movement in America. In this episode, we discuss some of the ideas which stuck with us after considering that story: specifically, how we should deal with the idea of heresy, and whether it applies in the modern era. Recorded March 21, 2017 https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/trinities/id690304581?mt=2&i=1000380046594. Music by Tears of Mars https://open.spotify.com/artist/7FHUDYgxLf4RNGoDIDhUhh
Sermon Text: Matthew 17:1-9
In this episode of ‘Wisdom Talks’ John Barter helps us understand the beauty of the Buddha’s 2,500 year old teachings and its continued application and importance. He does this whilst discussing the fundamental Buddhist Trinities.
God the Supreme (1278.1) 117:0.1 TO THE extent that we do the will of God in whatever universe station we may have our existence, in that measure the almighty potential of the Supreme becomes one step more actual. The will of God is the purpose of the First Source and Center as it is potentialized in the three Absolutes, personalized in the Eternal Son, conjoined for universe action in the Infinite Spirit, and eternalized in the everlasting patterns of Paradise. And God the Supreme is becoming the highest finite manifestation of the total will of God. (1278.2) 117:0.2 If all grand universers should ever relatively achieve the full living of the will of God, then would the time-space creations be settled in light and life, and then would the Almighty, the deity potential of Supremacy, become factual in the emergence of the divine personality of God the Supreme. (1278.3) 117:0.3 When an evolving mind becomes attuned to the circuits of cosmic mind, when an evolving universe becomes stabilized after the pattern of the central universe, when an advancing spirit contacts the united ministry of the Master Spirits, when an ascending mortal personality finally attunes to the divine leading of the indwelling Adjuster, then has the actuality of the Supreme become real by one more degree in the universes; then has the divinity of Supremacy advanced one more step toward cosmic realization. (1278.4) 117:0.4 The parts and individuals of the grand universe evolve as a reflection of the total evolution of the Supreme, while in turn the Supreme is the synthetic cumulative total of all grand universe evolution. From the mortal viewpoint both are evolutionary and experiential reciprocals. 1. Nature of the Supreme Being (1278.5) 117:1.1 The Supreme is the beauty of physical harmony, the truth of intellectual meaning, and the goodness of spiritual value. He is the sweetness of true success and the joy of everlasting achievement. He is the oversoul of the grand universe, the consciousness of the finite cosmos, the completion of finite reality, and the personification of Creator-creature experience. Throughout all future eternity God the Supreme will voice the reality of volitional experience in the trinity relationships of Deity. (1278.6) 117:1.2 In the persons of the Supreme Creators the Gods have descended from Paradise to the domains of time and space, there to create and to evolve creatures with Paradise-attainment capacity who can ascend thereto in quest of the Father. This universe procession of descending God-revealing Creators and ascending God-seeking creatures is revelatory of the Deity evolution of the Supreme, in whom both descenders and ascenders achieve mutuality of understanding, the discovery of eternal and universal brotherhood. The Supreme Being thus becomes the finite synthesis of the experience of the perfect-Creator cause and the perfecting-creature response. (1279.1) 117:1.3 The grand universe contains the possibility of, and ever seeks for, complete unification, and this grows out of the fact that this cosmic existence is a consequence of the creative acts and the power mandates of the Paradise Trinity, which is unqualified unity. This very trinitarian unity is expressed in the finite cosmos in the Supreme, whose reality becomes increasingly apparent as the universes attain to the maximum level of Trinity identification. (1279.2) 117:1.4 The will of the Creator and the will of the creature are qualitatively different, but they are also experientially akin, for creature and Creator can collaborate in the achievement of universe perfection. Man can work in liaison with God and thereby cocreate an eternal finaliter. God can work even as humanity in the incarnations of his Sons, who thereby achieve the supremacy of creature experience. (1279.3) 117:1.5 In the Supreme Being, Creator and creature are united in one Deity whose will is expressive of one divine personality. And this will of the Supreme is something more than the will of either creature or Creator, even as the sovereign will of the Master Son of Nebadon is now something more than a combination of the will of divinity and humanity. The union of Paradise perfection and time-space experience yields a new meaning value on deity levels of reality. (1279.4) 117:1.6 The evolving divine nature of the Supreme is becoming a faithful portrayal of the matchless experience of all creatures and of all Creators in the grand universe. In the Supreme, creatorship and creaturehood are at one; they are forever united by that experience which was born of the vicissitudes attendant upon the solution of the manifold problems which beset all finite creation as it pursues the eternal path in quest of perfection and liberation from the fetters of incompleteness. (1279.5) 117:1.7 Truth, beauty, and goodness are correlated in the ministry of the Spirit, the grandeur of Paradise, the mercy of the Son, and the experience of the Supreme. God the Supreme is truth, beauty, and goodness, for these concepts of divinity represent finite maximums of ideational experience. The eternal sources of these triune qualities of divinity are on superfinite levels, but a creature could only conceive of such sources as supertruth, superbeauty, and supergoodness. (1279.6) 117:1.8 Michael, a creator, revealed the divine love of the Creator Father for his terrestrial children. And having discovered and received this divine affection, men can aspire to reveal this love to their brethren in the flesh. Such creature affection is a true reflection of the love of the Supreme. (1279.7) 117:1.9 The Supreme is symmetrically inclusive. The First Source and Center is potential in the three great Absolutes, is actual in Paradise, in the Son, and in the Spirit; but the Supreme is both actual and potential, a being of personal supremacy and of almighty power, responsive alike to creature effort and Creator purpose; self-acting upon the universe and self-reactive to the sum total of the universe; and at one and the same time the supreme creator and the supreme creature. The Deity of Supremacy is thus expressive of the sum total of the entire finite. 2. The Source of Evolutionary Growth (1280.1) 117:2.1 The Supreme is God-in-time; his is the secret of creature growth in time; his also is the conquest of the incomplete present and the consummation of the perfecting future. And the final fruits of all finite growth are: power controlled through mind by spirit by virtue of the unifying and creative presence of personality. The culminating consequence of all this growth is the Supreme Being. (1280.2) 117:2.2 To mortal man, existence is equivalent to growth. And so indeed it would seem to be, even in the larger universe sense, for spirit-led existence does seem to result in experiential growth — augmentation of status. We have long held, however, that the present growth which characterizes creature existence in the present universe age is a function of the Supreme. We equally hold that this kind of growth is peculiar to the age of the growth of the Supreme, and that it will terminate with the completion of the growth of the Supreme. (1280.3) 117:2.3 Consider the status of the creature-trinitized sons: They are born and live in the present universe age; they have personalities, together with mind and spirit endowments. They have experiences and the memory thereof, but they do not grow as do ascenders. It is our belief and understanding that these creature-trinitized sons, while they are in the present universe age, are really of the next universe age — the age which will follow the completion of the growth of the Supreme. Hence they are not in the Supreme as of his present status of incompleteness and consequent growth. Thus they are nonparticipating in the experiential growth of the present universe age, being held in reserve for the next universe age. (1280.4) 117:2.4 My own order, the Mighty Messengers, being Trinity embraced, are nonparticipating in the growth of the present universe age. In a sense we are in status as of the preceding universe age as in fact are the Stationary Sons of the Trinity. One thing is certain: Our status is fixed by the Trinity embrace, and experience no longer eventuates in growth. (1280.5) 117:2.5 This is not true of the finaliters nor of any other of the evolutionary and experiential orders which are participants in the growth process of the Supreme. You mortals now living on Urantia who may aspire to Paradise attainment and finaliter status should understand that such a destiny is only realizable because you are in and of the Supreme, hence are participants in the cycle of the growth of the Supreme. (1280.6) 117:2.6 There will come an end sometime to the growth of the Supreme; his status will achieve completion (in the energy-spirit sense). This termination of the evolution of the Supreme will also witness the ending of creature evolution as a part of Supremacy. What kind of growth may characterize the universes of outer space, we do not know. But we are very sure that it will be something very different from anything that has been seen in the present age of the evolution of the seven superuniverses. It will undoubtedly be the function of the evolutionary citizens of the grand universe to compensate the outer-spacers for this deprivation of the growth of Supremacy. (1280.7) 117:2.7 As existent upon the consummation of the present universe age, the Supreme Being will function as an experiential sovereign in the grand universe. Outer-spacers — citizens of the next universe age — will have a postsuperuniverse growth potential, a capacity for evolutionary attainment presupposing the sovereignty of the Almighty Supreme, hence excluding creature participation in the power-personality synthesis of the present universe age. (1281.1) 117:2.8 Thus may the incompleteness of the Supreme be regarded as a virtue since it makes possible the evolutionary growth of the creature-creation of the present universes. Emptiness does have its virtue, for it may become experientially filled. (1281.2) 117:2.9 One of the most intriguing questions in finite philosophy is this: Does the Supreme Being actualize in response to the evolution of the grand universe, or does this finite cosmos progressively evolve in response to the gradual actualization of the Supreme? Or is it possible that they are mutually interdependent for their development? that they are evolutionary reciprocals, each initiating the growth of the other? Of this we are certain: Creatures and universes, high and low, are evolving within the Supreme, and as they evolve, there is appearing the unified summation of the entire finite activity of this universe age. And this is the appearance of the Supreme Being, to all personalities the evolution of the almighty power of God the Supreme. 3. Significance of the Supreme to Universe Creatures (1281.3) 117:3.1 The cosmic reality variously designated as the Supreme Being, God the Supreme, and the Almighty Supreme, is the complex and universal synthesis of the emerging phases of all finite realities. The far-flung diversification of eternal energy, divine spirit, and universal mind attains finite culmination in the evolution of the Supreme, who is the sum total of all finite growth, self-realized on deity levels of finite maximum completion. (1281.4) 117:3.2 The Supreme is the divine channel through which flows the creative infinity of the triodities that crystallizes into the galactic panorama of space, against which takes place the magnificent personality drama of time: the spirit conquest of energy-matter through the mediation of mind. (1281.5) 117:3.3 Said Jesus: “I am the living way,” and so he is the living way from the material level of self-consciousness to the spiritual level of God-consciousness. And even as he is this living way of ascension from the self to God, so is the Supreme the living way from finite consciousness to transcendence of consciousness, even to the insight of absonity. (1281.6) 117:3.4 Your Creator Son can actually be such a living channel from humanity to divinity since he has personally experienced the fullness of the traversal of this universe path of progression, from the true humanity of Joshua ben Joseph, the Son of Man, to the Paradise divinity of Michael of Nebadon, the Son of the infinite God. Similarly can the Supreme Being function as the universe approach to the transcendence of finite limitations, for he is the actual embodiment and personal epitome of all creature evolution, progression, and spiritualization. Even the grand universe experiences of the descending personalities from Paradise are that part of his experience which is complemental to his summation of the ascending experiences of the pilgrims of time. (1281.7) 117:3.5 Mortal man is more than figuratively made in the image of God. From a physical standpoint this statement is hardly true, but with reference to certain universe potentialities it is an actual fact. In the human race, something of the same drama of evolutionary attainment is being unfolded as takes place, on a vastly larger scale, in the universe of universes. Man, a volitional personality, becomes creative in liaison with an Adjuster, an impersonal entity, in the presence of the finite potentialities of the Supreme, and the result is the flowering of an immortal soul. In the universes the Creator personalities of time and space function in liaison with the impersonal spirit of the Paradise Trinity and become thereby creative of a new power potential of Deity reality. (1282.1) 117:3.6 Mortal man, being a creature, is not exactly like the Supreme Being, who is deity, but man’s evolution does in some ways resemble the growth of the Supreme. Man consciously grows from the material toward the spiritual by the strength, power, and persistency of his own decisions; he also grows as his Thought Adjuster develops new techniques for reaching down from the spiritual to the morontial soul levels; and once the soul comes into being, it begins to grow in and of itself. (1282.2) 117:3.7 This is somewhat like the way in which the Supreme Being expands. His sovereignty grows in and out of the acts and achievements of the Supreme Creator Personalities; that is the evolution of the majesty of his power as the ruler of the grand universe. His deity nature is likewise dependent on the pre-existent unity of the Paradise Trinity. But there is still another aspect to the evolution of God the Supreme: He is not only Creator-evolved and Trinity-derived; he is also self-evolved and self-derived. God the Supreme is himself a volitional, creative participant in his own deity actualization. The human morontial soul is likewise a volitional, cocreative partner in its own immortalization. (1282.3) 117:3.8 The Father collaborates with the Conjoint Actor in manipulating the energies of Paradise and in rendering these responsive to the Supreme. The Father collaborates with the Eternal Son in the production of Creator personalities whose acts will sometime culminate in the sovereignty of the Supreme. The Father collaborates with both Son and Spirit in the creation of Trinity personalities to function as rulers of the grand universe until such time as the completed evolution of the Supreme qualifies him to assume that sovereignty. The Father co-operates with his Deity and non-Deity co-ordinates in these and many other ways in the furtherance of the evolution of Supremacy, but he also functions alone in these matters. And his solitary function is probably best revealed in the ministry of the Thought Adjusters and their associated entities. (1282.4) 117:3.9 Deity is unity, existential in the Trinity, experiential in the Supreme, and, in mortals, creature-realized in Adjuster fusion. The presence of the Thought Adjusters in mortal man reveals the essential unity of the universe, for man, the lowest possible type of universe personality, contains within himself an actual fragment of the highest and eternal reality, even the original Father of all personalities. (1282.5) 117:3.10 The Supreme Being evolves by virtue of his liaison with the Paradise Trinity and in consequence of the divinity successes of the creator and administrator children of that Trinity. Man’s immortal soul evolves its own eternal destiny by association with the divine presence of the Paradise Father and in accordance with the personality decisions of the human mind. What the Trinity is to God the Supreme, the Adjuster is to evolving man. (1282.6) 117:3.11 During the present universe age the Supreme Being is apparently unable to function directly as a creator except in those instances where the finite possibilities of action have been exhausted by the creative agencies of time and space. Thus far in universe history this has transpired but once; when the possibilities of finite action in the matter of universe reflectivity had been exhausted, then did the Supreme function as the creative culminator of all antecedent creator actions. And we believe he will again function as a culminator in future ages whenever antecedent creatorship has completed an appropriate cycle of creative activity. (1283.1) 117:3.12 The Supreme Being did not create man, but man was literally created out of, his very life was derived from, the potentiality of the Supreme. Nor does he evolve man; yet is the Supreme himself the very essence of evolution. From the finite standpoint, we actually live, move, and have our being within the immanence of the Supreme. (1283.2) 117:3.13 The Supreme apparently cannot initiate original causation but appears to be the catalyzer of all universe growth and is seemingly destined to provide totality culmination as regards the destiny of all experiential-evolutionary beings. The Father originates the concept of a finite cosmos; the Creator Sons factualize this idea in time and space with the consent and co-operation of the Creative Spirits; the Supreme culminates the total finite and establishes its relationship with the destiny of the absonite. 4. The Finite God (1283.3) 117:4.1 As we view the ceaseless struggles of the creature creation for perfection of status and divinity of being, we cannot but believe that these unending efforts bespeak the unceasing struggle of the Supreme for divine self-realization. God the Supreme is the finite Deity, and he must cope with the problems of the finite in the total sense of that word. Our struggles with the vicissitudes of time in the evolutions of space are reflections of his efforts to achieve reality of self and completion of sovereignty within the sphere of action which his evolving nature is expanding to the outermost limits of possibility. (1283.4) 117:4.2 Throughout the grand universe the Supreme struggles for expression. His divine evolution is in measure predicated on the wisdom-action of every personality in existence. When a human being chooses eternal survival, he is cocreating destiny; and in the life of this ascending mortal the finite God finds an increased measure of personality self-realization and an enlargement of experiential sovereignty. But if a creature rejects the eternal career, that part of the Supreme which was dependent on this creature’s choice experiences inescapable delay, a deprivation which must be compensated by substitutional or collateral experience; as for the personality of the nonsurvivor, it is absorbed into the oversoul of creation, becoming a part of the Deity of the Supreme. (1283.5) 117:4.3 God is so trusting, so loving, that he gives a portion of his divine nature into the hands of even human beings for safekeeping and self-realization. The Father nature, the Adjuster presence, is indestructible regardless of the choice of the mortal being. The child of the Supreme, the evolving self, can be destroyed notwithstanding that the potentially unifying personality of such a misguided self will persist as a factor of the Deity of Supremacy. (1283.6) 117:4.4 The human personality can truly destroy individuality of creaturehood, and though all that was worth while in the life of such a cosmic suicide will persist, these qualities will not persist as an individual creature. The Supreme will again find expression in the creatures of the universes but never again as that particular person; the unique personality of a nonascender returns to the Supreme as a drop of water returns to the sea. (1284.1) 117:4.5 Any isolated action of the personal parts of the finite is comparatively irrelevant to the eventual appearance of the Supreme Whole, but the whole is nonetheless dependent on the total acts of the manifold parts. The personality of the individual mortal is insignificant in the face of the total of Supremacy, but the personality of each human being represents an irreplaceable meaning-value in the finite; personality, having once been expressed, never again finds identical expression except in the continuing existence of that living personality. (1284.2) 117:4.6 And so, as we strive for self-expression, the Supreme is striving in us, and with us, for deity expression. As we find the Father, so has the Supreme again found the Paradise Creator of all things. As we master the problems of self-realization, so is the God of experience achieving almighty supremacy in the universes of time and space. (1284.3) 117:4.7 Mankind does not ascend effortlessly in the universe, neither does the Supreme evolve without purposeful and intelligent action. Creatures do not attain perfection by mere passivity, nor can the spirit of Supremacy factualize the power of the Almighty without unceasing service ministry to the finite creation. (1284.4) 117:4.8 The temporal relation of man to the Supreme is the foundation for cosmic morality, the universal sensitivity to, and acceptance of, duty. This is a morality which transcends the temporal sense of relative right and wrong; it is a morality directly predicated on the self-conscious creature’s appreciation of experiential obligation to experiential Deity. Mortal man and all other finite creatures are created out of the living potential of energy, mind, and spirit existent in the Supreme. It is upon the Supreme that the Adjuster-mortal ascender draws for the creation of the immortal and divine character of a finaliter. It is out of the very reality of the Supreme that the Adjuster, with the consent of the human will, weaves the patterns of the eternal nature of an ascending son of God. (1284.5) 117:4.9 The evolution of Adjuster progress in the spiritualizing and eternalizing of a human personality is directly productive of an enlargement of the sovereignty of the Supreme. Such achievements in human evolution are at the same time achievements in the evolutionary actualization of the Supreme. While it is true that creatures could not evolve without the Supreme, it is probably also true that the evolution of the Supreme can never be fully attained independent of the completed evolution of all creatures. Herein lies the great cosmic responsibility of self-conscious personalities: That Supreme Deity is in a certain sense dependent on the choosing of the mortal will. And the mutual progression of creature evolution and of Supreme evolution is faithfully and fully indicated to the Ancients of Days over the inscrutable mechanisms of universe reflectivity. (1284.6) 117:4.10 The great challenge that has been given to mortal man is this: Will you decide to personalize the experiencible value meanings of the cosmos into your own evolving selfhood? or by rejecting survival, will you allow these secrets of Supremacy to lie dormant, awaiting the action of another creature at some other time who will in his way attempt a creature contribution to the evolution of the finite God? But that will be his contribution to the Supreme, not yours. (1284.7) 117:4.11 The great struggle of this universe age is between the potential and the actual — the seeking for actualization by all that is as yet unexpressed. If mortal man proceeds upon the Paradise adventure, he is following the motions of time, which flow as currents within the stream of eternity; if mortal man rejects the eternal career, he is moving counter to the stream of events in the finite universes. The mechanical creation moves on inexorably in accordance with the unfolding purpose of the Paradise Father, but the volitional creation has the choice of accepting or of rejecting the role of personality participation in the adventure of eternity. Mortal man cannot destroy the supreme values of human existence, but he can very definitely prevent the evolution of these values in his own personal experience. To the extent that the human self thus refuses to take part in the Paradise ascent, to just that extent is the Supreme delayed in achieving divinity expression in the grand universe. (1285.1) 117:4.12 Into the keeping of mortal man has been given not only the Adjuster presence of the Paradise Father but also control over the destiny of an infinitesimal fraction of the future of the Supreme. For as man attains human destiny, so does the Supreme achieve destiny on deity levels. (1285.2) 117:4.13 And so the decision awaits each of you as it once awaited each of us: Will you fail the God of time, who is so dependent upon the decisions of the finite mind? will you fail the Supreme personality of the universes by the slothfulness of animalistic retrogression? will you fail the great brother of all creatures, who is so dependent on each creature? can you allow yourself to pass into the realm of the unrealized when before you lies the enchanting vista of the universe career — the divine discovery of the Paradise Father and the divine participation in the search for, and the evolution of, the God of Supremacy? (1285.3) 117:4.14 God’s gifts — his bestowal of reality — are not divorcements from himself; he does not alienate creation from himself, but he has set up tensions in the creations circling Paradise. God first loves man and confers upon him the potential of immortality — eternal reality. And as man loves God, so does man become eternal in actuality. And here is mystery: The more closely man approaches God through love, the greater the reality — actuality — of that man. The more man withdraws from God, the more nearly he approaches nonreality — cessation of existence. When man consecrates his will to the doing of the Father’s will, when man gives God all that he has, then does God make that man more than he is. 5. The Oversoul of Creation (1285.4) 117:5.1 The great Supreme is the cosmic oversoul of the grand universe. In him the qualities and quantities of the cosmos do find their deity reflection; his deity nature is the mosaic composite of the total vastness of all creature-Creator nature throughout the evolving universes. And the Supreme is also an actualizing Deity embodying a creative will which embraces an evolving universe purpose. (1285.5) 117:5.2 The intellectual, potentially personal selves of the finite emerge from the Third Source and Center and achieve finite time-space Deity synthesis in the Supreme. When the creature submits to the will of the Creator, he does not submerge or surrender his personality; the individual personality participants in the actualization of the finite God do not lose their volitional selfhood by so functioning. Rather are such personalities progressively augmented by participation in this great Deity adventure; by such union with divinity man exalts, enriches, spiritualizes, and unifies his evolving self to the very threshold of supremacy. (1286.1) 117:5.3 The evolving immortal soul of man, the joint creation of the material mind and the Adjuster, ascends as such to Paradise and subsequently, when mustered into the Corps of the Finality, becomes allied in some new way with the spirit-gravity circuit of the Eternal Son by a technique of experience known as finaliter transcendation. Such finaliters thus become acceptable candidates for experiential recognition as personalities of God the Supreme. And when these mortal intellects in the unrevealed future assignments of the Corps of the Finality attain the seventh stage of spirit existence, such dual minds will become triune. These two attuned minds, the human and the divine, will become glorified in union with the experiential mind of the then actualized Supreme Being. (1286.2) 117:5.4 In the eternal future, God the Supreme will be actualized — creatively expressed and spiritually portrayed — in the spiritualized mind, the immortal soul, of ascendant man, even as the Universal Father was so revealed in the earth life of Jesus. (1286.3) 117:5.5 Man does not unite with the Supreme and submerge his personal identity, but the universe repercussions of the experience of all men do thus form a part of the divine experiencing of the Supreme. “The act is ours, the consequences God’s.” (1286.4) 117:5.6 The progressing personality leaves a trail of actualized reality as it passes through the ascending levels of the universes. Be they mind, spirit, or energy, the growing creations of time and space are modified by the progression of personality through their domains. When man acts, the Supreme reacts, and this transaction constitutes the fact of progression. (1286.5) 117:5.7 The great circuits of energy, mind, and spirit are never the permanent possessions of ascending personality; these ministries remain forever a part of Supremacy. In the mortal experience the human intellect resides in the rhythmic pulsations of the adjutant mind-spirits and effects its decisions within the arena produced by encircuitment within this ministry. Upon mortal death the human self is everlastingly divorced from the adjutant circuit. While these adjutants never seem to transmit experience from one personality to another, they can and do transmit the impersonal repercussions of decision-action through God the Sevenfold to God the Supreme. (At least this is true of the adjutants of worship and wisdom.) (1286.6) 117:5.8 And so it is with the spiritual circuits: Man utilizes these in his ascent through the universes, but he never possesses them as a part of his eternal personality. But these circuits of spiritual ministry, whether Spirit of Truth, Holy Spirit, or superuniverse spirit presences, are receptive and reactive to the emerging values in ascending personality, and these values are faithfully transmitted through the Sevenfold to the Supreme. (1286.7) 117:5.9 While such spiritual influences as the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth are local universe ministrations, their guidance is not wholly confined to the geographic limitations of a given local creation. As the ascending mortal passes beyond the boundaries of his local universe of origin, he is not entirely deprived of the ministry of the Spirit of Truth which has so constantly taught and guided him through the philosophic mazes of the material and morontial worlds, in every crisis of ascension unfailingly directing the Paradise pilgrim, ever saying: “This is the way.” When you leave the domains of the local universe, through the ministry of the spirit of the emerging Supreme Being and through the provisions of superuniverse reflectivity, you will still be guided in your Paradise ascent by the comforting directive spirit of the Paradise bestowal Sons of God. (1287.1) 117:5.10 How do these manifold circuits of cosmic ministry register the meanings, values, and facts of evolutionary experience in the Supreme? We are not exactly certain, but we believe that this registry takes place through the persons of the Supreme Creators of Paradise origin who are the immediate bestowers of these circuits of time and space. The mind-experience accumulations of the seven adjutant mind-spirits, in their ministry to the physical level of intellect, are a part of the local universe experience of the Divine Minister, and through this Creative Spirit they probably find registry in the mind of Supremacy. Likewise are mortal experiences with the Spirit of Truth and the Holy Spirit probably registered by similar techniques in the person of Supremacy. (1287.2) 117:5.11 Even the experience of man and Adjuster must find echo in the divinity of God the Supreme, for, as the Adjusters experience, they are like the Supreme, and the evolving soul of mortal man is created out of the pre-existent possibility for such experience within the Supreme. (1287.3) 117:5.12 In this manner do the manifold experiences of all creation become a part of the evolution of Supremacy. Creatures merely utilize the qualities and quantities of the finite as they ascend to the Father; the impersonal consequences of such utilization remain forever a part of the living cosmos, the Supreme person. (1287.4) 117:5.13 What man himself takes with him as a personality possession are the character consequences of the experience of having used the mind and spirit circuits of the grand universe in his Paradise ascent. When man decides, and when he consummates this decision in action, man experiences, and the meanings and the values of this experience are forever a part of his eternal character on all levels, from the finite to the final. Cosmically moral and divinely spiritual character represents the creature’s capital accumulation of personal decisions which have been illuminated by sincere worship, glorified by intelligent love, and consummated in brotherly service. (1287.5) 117:5.14 The evolving Supreme will eventually compensate finite creatures for their inability ever to achieve more than limited experience contact with the universe of universes. Creatures can attain the Paradise Father, but their evolutionary minds, being finite, are incapable of really understanding the infinite and absolute Father. But since all creature experiencing registers in, and is a part of, the Supreme, when all creatures attain the final level of finite existence, and after total universe development makes possible their attainment of God the Supreme as an actual divinity presence, then, inherent in the fact of such contact, is contact with total experience. The finite of time contains within itself the seeds of eternity; and we are taught that, when the fullness of evolution witnesses the exhaustion of the capacity for cosmic growth, the total finite will embark upon the absonite phases of the eternal career in quest of the Father as Ultimate. 6. The Quest for the Supreme (1287.6) 117:6.1 We seek the Supreme in the universes, but we find him not. “He is the within and the without of all things and beings, moving and quiescent. Unrecognizable in his mystery, though distant, yet is he near.” The Almighty Supreme is “the form of the yet unformed, the pattern of the yet uncreated.” The Supreme is your universe home, and when you find him, it will be like returning home. He is your experiential parent, and even as in the experience of human beings, so has he grown in the experience of divine parenthood. He knows you because he is creaturelike as well as creatorlike. (1288.1) 117:6.2 If you truly desire to find God, you cannot help having born in your minds the consciousness of the Supreme. As God is your divine Father, so is the Supreme your divine Mother, in whom you are nurtured throughout your lives as universe creatures. “How universal is the Supreme — he is on all sides! The limitless things of creation depend on his presence for life, and none are refused.” (1288.2) 117:6.3 What Michael is to Nebadon, the Supreme is to the finite cosmos; his Deity is the great avenue through which the love of the Father flows outward to all creation, and he is the great avenue through which finite creatures pass inward in their quest of the Father, who is love. Even Thought Adjusters are related to him; in original nature and divinity they are like the Father, but when they experience the transactions of time in the universes of space, they become like the Supreme. (1288.3) 117:6.4 The act of the creature’s choosing to do the will of the Creator is a cosmic value and has a universe meaning which is immediately reacted to by some unrevealed but ubiquitous force of co-ordination, probably the functioning of the ever-enlarging action of the Supreme Being. (1288.4) 117:6.5 The morontia soul of an evolving mortal is really the son of the Adjuster action of the Universal Father and the child of the cosmic reaction of the Supreme Being, the Universal Mother. The mother influence dominates the human personality throughout the local universe childhood of the growing soul. The influence of the Deity parents becomes more equal after the Adjuster fusion and during the superuniverse career, but when the creatures of time begin the traversal of the central universe of eternity, the Father nature becomes increasingly manifest, attaining its height of finite manifestation upon the recognition of the Universal Father and the admission into the Corps of the Finality. (1288.5) 117:6.6 In and through the experience of finaliter attainment the experiential mother qualities of the ascending self become tremendously affected by contact and infusion with the spirit presence of the Eternal Son and the mind presence of the Infinite Spirit. Then, throughout the realms of finaliter activity in the grand universe, there appears a new awakening of the latent mother potential of the Supreme, a new realization of experiential meanings, and a new synthesis of experiential values of the entire ascension career. It appears that this realization of self will continue in the universe careers of the sixth-stage finaliters until the mother inheritance of the Supreme attains to finite synchrony with the Adjuster inheritance of the Father. This intriguing period of grand universe function represents the continuing adult career of the ascendant and perfected mortal. (1288.6) 117:6.7 Upon the completion of the sixth stage of existence and the entrance upon the seventh and final stage of spirit status, there will probably ensue the advancing ages of enriching experience, ripening wisdom, and divinity realization. In the nature of the finaliter this will probably equal the completed attainment of the mind struggle for spirit self-realization, the completion of the co-ordination of the ascendant man-nature with the divine Adjuster-nature within the limits of finite possibilities. Such a magnificent universe self thus becomes the eternal finaliter son of the Paradise Father as well as the eternal universe child of the Mother Supreme, a universe self qualified to represent both the Father and Mother of universes and personalities in any activity or undertaking pertaining to the finite administration of created, creating, or evolving things and beings. (1289.1) 117:6.8 All soul-evolving humans are literally the evolutionary sons of God the Father and God the Mother, the Supreme Being. But until such time as mortal man becomes soul-conscious of his divine heritage, this assurance of Deity kinship must be faith realized. Human life experience is the cosmic cocoon in which the universe endowments of the Supreme Being and the universe presence of the Universal Father (none of which are personalities) are evolving the morontia soul of time and the human-divine finaliter character of universe destiny and eternal service. (1289.2) 117:6.9 Men all too often forget that God is the greatest experience in human existence. Other experiences are limited in their nature and content, but the experience of God has no limits save those of the creature’s comprehension capacity, and this very experience is in itself capacity enlarging. When men search for God, they are searching for everything. When they find God, they have found everything. The search for God is the unstinted bestowal of love attended by amazing discoveries of new and greater love to be bestowed. (1289.3) 117:6.10 All true love is from God, and man receives the divine affection as he himself bestows this love upon his fellows. Love is dynamic. It can never be captured; it is alive, free, thrilling, and always moving. Man can never take the love of the Father and imprison it within his heart. The Father’s love can become real to mortal man only by passing through that man’s personality as he in turn bestows this love upon his fellows. The great circuit of love is from the Father, through sons to brothers, and hence to the Supreme. The love of the Father appears in the mortal personality by the ministry of the indwelling Adjuster. Such a God-knowing son reveals this love to his universe brethren, and this fraternal affection is the essence of the love of the Supreme. (1289.4) 117:6.11 There is no approach to the Supreme except through experience, and in the current epochs of creation there are only three avenues of creature approach to Supremacy: (1289.5) 117:6.12 1. The Paradise Citizens descend from the eternal Isle through Havona, where they acquire capacity for Supremacy comprehension through observation of the Paradise-Havona reality differential and by exploratory discovery of the manifold activities of the Supreme Creator Personalities, ranging from the Master Spirits to the Creator Sons. (1289.6) 117:6.13 2. The time-space ascenders coming up from the evolutionary universes of the Supreme Creators make close approach to the Supreme in the traversal of Havona as a preliminary to the augmenting appreciation of the unity of the Paradise Trinity. (1289.7) 117:6.14 3. The Havona natives acquire a comprehension of the Supreme through contacts with descending pilgrims from Paradise and ascending pilgrims from the seven superuniverses. Havona natives are inherently in position to harmonize the essentially different viewpoints of the citizens of the eternal Isle and the citizens of the evolutionary universes. (1290.1) 117:6.15 To evolutionary creatures there are seven great approaches to the Universal Father, and each of these Paradise ascensions passes through the divinity of one of the Seven Master Spirits; and each such approach is made possible by an enlargement of experience receptivity consequent upon the creature’s having served in the superuniverse reflective of the nature of that Master Spirit. The sum total of these seven experiences constitutes the present-known limits of a creature’s consciousness of the reality and actuality of God the Supreme. (1290.2) 117:6.16 It is not only man’s own limitations which prevent him from finding the finite God; it is also the incompletion of the universe; even the incompletion of all creatures — past, present, and future — makes the Supreme inaccessible. God the Father can be found by any individual who has attained the divine level of Godlikeness, but God the Supreme will never be personally discovered by any one creature until that far-distant time when, through the universal attainment of perfection, all creatures will simultaneously find him. (1290.3) 117:6.17 Despite the fact that you cannot, in this universe age, personally find him as you can and will find the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, nevertheless, the Paradise ascent and subsequent universe career will gradually create in your consciousness the recognition of the universe presence and the cosmic action of the God of all experience. The fruits of the spirit are the substance of the Supreme as he is realizable in human experience. (1290.4) 117:6.18 Man’s sometime attainment of the Supreme is consequent upon his fusion with the spirit of Paradise Deity. With Urantians this spirit is the Adjuster presence of the Universal Father; and though the Mystery Monitor is from the Father and like the Father, we doubt that even such a divine gift can achieve the impossible task of revealing the nature of the infinite God to a finite creature. We suspect that what the Adjusters will reveal to future seventh-stage finaliters will be the divinity and nature of God the Supreme. And this revelation will be to a finite creature what the revelation of the Infinite would be to an absolute being. (1290.5) 117:6.19 The Supreme is not infinite, but he probably embraces all of infinity that a finite creature can ever really comprehend. To understand more than the Supreme is to be more than finite! (1290.6) 117:6.20 All experiential creations are interdependent in their realization of destiny. Only existential reality is self-contained and self-existent. Havona and the seven superuniverses require each other to achieve the maximum of finite attainment; likewise will they be sometime dependent on the future universes of outer space for finite transcendence. (1290.7) 117:6.21 A human ascender can find the Father; God is existential and therefore real, irrespective of the status of experience in the total universe. But no single ascender will ever find the Supreme until all ascenders have reached that maximum universe maturity which qualifies them simultaneously to participate in this discovery. (1290.8) 117:6.22 The Father is no respecter of persons; he treats each of his ascending sons as cosmic individuals. The Supreme likewise is no respecter of persons; he treats his experiential children as a single cosmic total. (1290.9) 117:6.23 Man can discover the Father in his heart, but he will have to search for the Supreme in the hearts of all other men; and when all creatures perfectly reveal the love of the Supreme, then will he become a universe actuality to all creatures. And that is just another way of saying that the universes will be settled in light and life. (1291.1) 117:6.24 The attainment of perfected self-realization by all personalities plus the attainment of perfected equilibrium throughout the universes equals the attainment of the Supreme and witnesses the liberation of all finite reality from the limitations of incomplete existence. Such an exhaustion of all finite potentials yields the completed attainment of the Supreme and may be otherwise defined as the completed evolutionary actualization of the Supreme Being himself. (1291.2) 117:6.25 Men do not find the Supreme suddenly and spectacularly as an earthquake tears chasms into the rocks, but they find him slowly and patiently as a river quietly wears away the soil beneath. (1291.3) 117:6.26 When you find the Father, you will find the great cause of your spiritual ascent in the universes; when you find the Supreme, you will discover the great result of your career of Paradise progression. (1291.4) 117:6.27 But no God-knowing mortal can ever be lonely in his journey through the cosmos, for he knows that the Father walks beside him each step of the way, while the very way that he is traversing is the presence of the Supreme. 7. The Future of the Supreme (1291.5) 117:7.1 The completed realization of all finite potentials equals the completion of the realization of all evolutionary experience. This suggests the final emergence of the Supreme as an almighty Deity presence in the universes. We believe that the Supreme, in this stage of development, will be as discretely personalized as is the Eternal Son, as concretely powerized as is the Isle of Paradise, as completely unified as is the Conjoint Actor, and all of this within the limitations of the finite possibilities of Supremacy at the culmination of the present universe age. (1291.6) 117:7.2 While this is an entirely proper concept of the future of the Supreme, we would call attention to certain problems inherent in this concept: (1291.7) 117:7.3 1. The Unqualified Supervisors of the Supreme could hardly be deitized at any stage prior to his completed evolution, and yet these same supervisors even now qualifiedly exercise the sovereignty of supremacy concerning the universes settled in light and life. (1291.8) 117:7.4 2. The Supreme could hardly function in the Trinity Ultimate until he had attained complete actuality of universe status, and yet the Trinity Ultimate is even now a qualified reality, and you have been informed of the existence of the Qualified Vicegerents of the Ultimate.* (1291.9) 117:7.5 3. The Supreme is not completely real to universe creatures, but there are many reasons for deducing that he is quite real to the Sevenfold Deity, extending from the Universal Father on Paradise to the Creator Sons and the Creative Spirits of the local universes. (1291.10) 117:7.6 It may be that on the upper limits of the finite, where time conjoins transcended time, there is some sort of blurring and blending of sequence. It may be that the Supreme is able to forecast his universe presence onto these supertime levels and then to a limited degree anticipate future evolution by reflecting this future forecast back to the created levels as the Immanence of the Projected Incomplete. Such phenomena may be observed wherever finite makes contact with superfinite, as in the experiences of human beings who are indwelt by Thought Adjusters that are veritable predictions of man’s future universe attainments throughout all eternity. (1292.1) 117:7.7 When mortal ascenders are admitted to the finaliter corps of Paradise, they take an oath to the Paradise Trinity, and in taking this oath of allegiance, they are thereby pledging eternal fidelity to God the Supreme, who is the Trinity as comprehended by all finite creature personalities. Subsequently, as the finaliter companies function throughout the evolving universes, they are solely amenable to the mandates of Paradise origin until the eventful times of the settling of local universes in light and life. As the new governmental organizations of these perfected creations begin to be reflective of the emerging sovereignty of the Supreme, we observe that the outlying finaliter companies then acknowledge the jurisdictional authority of such new governments. It appears that God the Supreme is evolving as the unifier of the evolutionary Corps of the Finality, but it is highly probable that the eternal destiny of these seven corps will be directed by the Supreme as a member of the Ultimate Trinity. (1292.2) 117:7.8 The Supreme Being contains three superfinite possibilities for universe manifestation: (1292.3) 117:7.9 1. Absonite collaboration in the first experiential Trinity. (1292.4) 117:7.10 2. Coabsolute relationship in the second experiential Trinity. (1292.5) 117:7.11 3. Coinfinite participation in the Trinity of Trinities, but we have no satisfactory concept as to what this really means. (1292.6) 117:7.12 This is one of the generally accepted hypotheses of the future of the Supreme, but there are also many speculations concerning his relations to the present grand universe subsequent to its attainment of the status of light and life. (1292.7) 117:7.13 The present goal of the superuniverses is to become, as they are and within their potentials, perfect, even as is Havona. This perfection pertains to physical and spiritual attainment, even to administrative, governmental, and fraternal development. It is believed that, in the ages to come, the possibilities for disharmony, maladjustment, and misadaptation will be eventually exhausted in the superuniverses. The energy circuits will be in perfect balance and in complete subjugation to mind, while spirit, in the presence of personality, will have achieved the dominance of mind. (1292.8) 117:7.14 It is conjectured that at this far-distant time the spirit person of the Supreme and attained power of the Almighty will have achieved co-ordinate development, and that both, as unified in and by the Supreme Mind, will factualize as the Supreme Being, a completed actuality in the universes — an actuality which will be observable by all creature intelligences, reacted to by all created energies, co-ordinated in all spiritual entities, and experienced by all universe personalities. (1292.9) 117:7.15 This concept implies the actual sovereignty of the Supreme in the grand universe. It is altogether likely that the present Trinity administrators will continue as his vicegerents, but we believe that the present demarcations between the seven superuniverses will gradually disappear, and that the entire grand universe will function as a perfected whole. (1292.10) 117:7.16 It is possible that the Supreme may then be personally resident on Uversa, the headquarters of Orvonton, from which he will direct the administration of the time creations, but this is really only a conjecture. Certainly, though, the personality of the Supreme Being will be definitely contactable at some specific locality, although the ubiquity of his Deity presence will probably continue to permeate the universe of universes. What the relation of the superuniverse citizens of that age will be to the Supreme we do not know, but it may be something like the present relationship between the Havona natives and the Paradise Trinity. (1293.1) 117:7.17 The perfected grand universe of those future days will be vastly different from what it is at present. Gone will be the thrilling adventures of the organization of the galaxies of space, the planting of life on the uncertain worlds of time, and the evolving of harmony out of chaos, beauty out of potentials, truth out of meanings, and goodness out of values. The time universes will have achieved the fulfillment of finite destiny! And perhaps for a space there will be rest, relaxation from the agelong struggle for evolutionary perfection. But not for long! Certainly, surely, and inexorably the enigma of the emerging Deity of God the Ultimate will challenge these perfected citizens of the settled universes just as their struggling evolutionary forebears were once challenged by the quest for God the Supreme. The curtain of cosmic destiny will draw back to reveal the transcendent grandeur of the alluring absonite quest for the attainment of the Universal Father on those new and higher levels revealed in the ultimate of creature experience. (1293.2) 117:7.18 [Sponsored by a Mighty Messenger temporarily sojourning on Urantia.]
Universe Levels of Reality (1162.1) 106:0.1 IT IS not enough that the ascending mortal should know something of the relations of Deity to the genesis and manifestations of cosmic reality; he should also comprehend something of the relationships existing between himself and the numerous levels of existential and experiential realities, of potential and actual realities. Man’s terrestrial orientation, his cosmic insight, and his spiritual directionization are all enhanced by a better comprehension of universe realities and their techniques of interassociation, integration, and unification. (1162.2) 106:0.2 The present grand universe and the emerging master universe are made up of many forms and phases of reality which, in turn, are existent on several levels of functional activity. These manifold existents and latents have been previously suggested in these papers, and they are now grouped for conceptual convenience in the following categories: (1162.3) 106:0.3 1. Incomplete finites. This is the present status of the ascending creatures of the grand universe, the present status of Urantia mortals. This level embraces creature existence from the planetary human up to, but not including, destiny attainers. It pertains to universes from early physical beginnings up to, but not including, settlement in light and life. This level constitutes the present periphery of creative activity in time and space. It appears to be moving outward from Paradise, for the closing of the present universe age, which will witness the grand universe attainment of light and life, will also and surely witness the appearance of some new order of developmental growth in the first outer space level. (1162.4) 106:0.4 2. Maximum finites. This is the present status of all experiential creatures who have attained destiny — destiny as revealed within the scope of the present universe age. Even universes can attain to the maximum of status, both spiritually and physically. But the term “maximum” is itself a relative term — maximum in relation to what? And that which is maximum, seemingly final, in the present universe age may be no more than a real beginning in terms of the ages to come. Some phases of Havona appear to be on the maximum order. (1162.5) 106:0.5 3. Transcendentals. This superfinite level (antecedently) follows finite progression. It implies the prefinite genesis of finite beginnings and the postfinite significance of all apparent finite endings or destinies. Much of Paradise-Havona appears to be on the transcendental order. (1162.6) 106:0.6 4. Ultimates. This level encompasses that which is of master universe significance and impinges on the destiny level of the completed master universe. Paradise-Havona (especially the circuit of the Father’s worlds) is in many respects of ultimate significance. (1163.1) 106:0.7 5. Coabsolutes. This level implies the projection of experientials upon a supermaster universe field of creative expression. (1163.2) 106:0.8 6. Absolutes. This level connotes the eternity presence of the seven existential Absolutes. It may also involve some degree of associative experiential attainment, but if so, we do not understand how, perhaps through the contact potential of personality. (1163.3) 106:0.9 7. Infinity. This level is pre-existential and postexperiential. Unqualified unity of infinity is a hypothetical reality before all beginnings and after all destinies. (1163.4) 106:0.10 These levels of reality are convenient compromise symbolizations of the present universe age and for the mortal perspective. There are a number of other ways of looking at reality from other-than-mortal perspective and from the standpoint of other universe ages. Thus it should be recognized that the concepts herewith presented are entirely relative, relative in the sense of being conditioned and limited by: (1163.5) 106:0.11 1. The limitations of mortal language. (1163.6) 106:0.12 2. The limitations of the mortal mind. (1163.7) 106:0.13 3. The limited development of the seven superuniverses. (1163.8) 106:0.14 4. Your ignorance of the six prime purposes of superuniverse development which do not pertain to the mortal ascent to Paradise. (1163.9) 106:0.15 5. Your inability to grasp even a partial eternity viewpoint. (1163.10) 106:0.16 6. The impossibility of depicting cosmic evolution and destiny in relation to all universe ages, not just in regard to the present age of the evolutionary unfolding of the seven superuniverses. (1163.11) 106:0.17 7. The inability of any creature to grasp what is really meant by pre-existentials or by postexperientials — that which lies before beginnings and after destinies. (1163.12) 106:0.18 Reality growth is conditioned by the circumstances of the successive universe ages. The central universe underwent no evolutionary change in the Havona age, but in the present epochs of the superuniverse age it is undergoing certain progressive changes induced by co-ordination with the evolutionary superuniverses. The seven superuniverses, now evolving, will sometime attain the settled status of light and life, will attain the growth limit for the present universe age. But beyond doubt, the next age, the age of the first outer space level, will release the superuniverses from the destiny limitations of the present age. Repletion is continually being superimposed upon completion. (1163.13) 106:0.19 These are some of the limitations which we encounter in attempting to present a unified concept of the cosmic growth of things, meanings, and values and of their synthesis on ever-ascending levels of reality. 1. Primary Association of Finite Functionals (1163.14) 106:1.1 The primary or spirit-origin phases of finite reality find immediate expression on creature levels as perfect personalities and on universe levels as the perfect Havona creation. Even experiential Deity is thus expressed in the spirit person of God the Supreme in Havona. But the secondary, evolutionary, time-and-matter-conditioned phases of the finite become cosmically integrated only as a result of growth and attainment. Eventually all secondary or perfecting finites are to attain a level equal to that of primary perfection, but such destiny is subject to a time delay, a constitutive superuniverse qualification which is not genetically found in the central creation. (We know of the existence of tertiary finites, but the technique of their integration is as yet unrevealed.) (1164.1) 106:1.2 This superuniverse time lag, this obstacle to perfection attainment, provides for creature participation in evolutionary growth. It thus makes it possible for the creature to enter into partnership with the Creator in the evolution of that selfsame creature. And during these times of expanding growth the incomplete is correlated with the perfect through the ministry of God the Sevenfold. (1164.2) 106:1.3 God the Sevenfold signifies the recognition by Paradise Deity of the barriers of time in the evolutionary universes of space. No matter how remote from Paradise, how deep in space, a material survival personality may take origin, God the Sevenfold will be found there present and engaged in the loving and merciful ministry of truth, beauty, and goodness to such an incomplete, struggling, and evolutionary creature. The divinity ministry of the Sevenfold reaches inward through the Eternal Son to the Paradise Father and outward through the Ancients of Days to the universe Fathers — the Creator Sons. (1164.3) 106:1.4 Man, being personal and ascending by spiritual progression, finds the personal and spiritual divinity of the Sevenfold Deity; but there are other phases of the Sevenfold which are not concerned with the progression of personality. The divinity aspects of this Deity grouping are at present integrated in the liaison between the Seven Master Spirits and the Conjoint Actor, but they are destined to be eternally unified in the emerging personality of the Supreme Being. The other phases of the Sevenfold Deity are variously integrated in the present universe age, but all are likewise destined to be unified in the Supreme. The Sevenfold, in all phases, is the source of the relative unity of the functional reality of the present grand universe. 2. Secondary Supreme Finite Integration (1164.4) 106:2.1 As God the Sevenfold functionally co-ordinates finite evolution, so does the Supreme Being eventually synthesize destiny attainment. The Supreme Being is the deity culmination of grand universe evolution — physical evolution around a spirit nucleus and eventual dominance of the spirit nucleus over the encircling and whirling domains of physical evolution. And all of this takes place in accordance with the mandates of personality: Paradise personality in the highest sense, Creator personality in the universe sense, mortal personality in the human sense, Supreme personality in the culminating or experiential totaling sense. (1164.5) 106:2.2 The concept of the Supreme must provide for the differential recognition of spirit person, evolutionary power, and power-personality synthesis — the unification of evolutionary power with, and its dominance by, spirit personality. (1164.6) 106:2.3 Spirit, in the last analysis, comes from Paradise through Havona. Energy-matter seemingly evolves in the depths of space and is organized as power by the children of the Infinite Spirit in conjunction with the Creator Sons of God. And all of this is experiential; it is a transaction in time and space involving a wide range of living beings including even Creator divinities and evolutionary creatures. The power mastery of the Creator divinities in the grand universe slowly expands to encompass the evolutionary settling and stabilizing of the time-space creations, and this is the flowering of the experiential power of God the Sevenfold. It encompasses the whole gamut of divinity attainment in time and space from the Adjuster bestowals of the Universal Father to the life bestowals of the Paradise Sons. This is earned power, demonstrated power, experiential power; it stands in contrast to the eternity power, the unfathomable power, the existential power of the Paradise Deities. (1165.1) 106:2.4 This experiential power arising out of the divinity achievements of God the Sevenfold itself manifests the cohesive qualities of divinity by synthesizing — totalizing — as the almighty power of the attained experiential mastery of the evolving creations. And this almighty power in turn finds spirit-personality cohesion on the pilot sphere of the outer belt of Havona worlds in union with the spirit personality of the Havona presence of God the Supreme. Thus does experiential Deity culminate the long evolutionary struggle by investing the power product of time and space with the spirit presence and divine personality resident in the central creation. (1165.2) 106:2.5 Thus does the Supreme Being eventually attain to the embrace of all of everything evolving in time and space while investing these qualities with spirit personality. Since creatures, even mortals, are personality participants in this majestic transaction, so do they certainly attain the capacity to know the Supreme and to perceive the Supreme as true children of such an evolutionary Deity. (1165.3) 106:2.6 Michael of Nebadon is like the Paradise Father because he shares his Paradise perfection; so will evolutionary mortals sometime attain to kinship with the experiential Supreme, for they will truly share his evolutionary perfection. (1165.4) 106:2.7 God the Supreme is experiential; therefore is he completely experiencible. The existential realities of the seven Absolutes are not perceivable by the technique of experience; only the personality realities of the Father, Son, and Spirit can be grasped by the personality of the finite creature in the prayer-worship attitude. (1165.5) 106:2.8 Within the completed power-personality synthesis of the Supreme Being there will be associated all of the absoluteness of the several triodities which could be so associated, and this majestic personality of evolution will be experientially attainable and understandable by all finite personalities. When ascenders attain the postulated seventh stage of spirit existence, they will therein experience the realization of a new meaning-value of the absoluteness and infinity of the triodities as such is revealed on subabsolute levels in the Supreme Being, who is experiencible. But the attainment of these stages of maximum development will probably await the co-ordinate settling of the entire grand universe in light and life. 3. Transcendental Tertiary Reality Association (1165.6) 106:3.1 The absonite architects eventuate the plan; the Supreme Creators bring it into existence; the Supreme Being will consummate its fullness as it was time created by the Supreme Creators, and as it was space forecast by the Master Architects. (1165.7) 106:3.2 During the present universe age the administrative co-ordination of the master universe is the function of the Architects of the Master Universe. But the appearance of the Almighty Supreme at the termination of the present universe age will signify that the evolutionary finite has attained the first stage of experiential destiny. This happening will certainly lead to the completed function of the first experiential Trinity — the union of the Supreme Creators, the Supreme Being, and the Architects of the Master Universe. This Trinity is destined to effect the further evolutionary integration of the master creation. (1166.1) 106:3.3 The Paradise Trinity is truly one of infinity, and no Trinity can possibly be infinite that does not include this original Trinity. But the original Trinity is an eventuality of the exclusive association of absolute Deities; subabsolute beings had nothing to do with this primal association. The subsequently appearing and experiential Trinities embrace the contributions of even creature personalities. Certainly this is true of the Trinity Ultimate, wherein the very presence of the Master Creator Sons among the Supreme Creator members thereof betokens the concomitant presence of actual and bona fide creature experience within this Trinity association. (1166.2) 106:3.4 The first experiential Trinity provides for group attainment of ultimate eventualities. Group associations are enabled to anticipate, even to transcend, individual capacities; and this is true even beyond the finite level. In the ages to come, after the seven superuniverses have been settled in light and life, the Corps of the Finality will doubtless be promulgating the purposes of the Paradise Deities as they are dictated by the Trinity Ultimate, and as they are power-personality unified in the Supreme Being. (1166.3) 106:3.5 Throughout all the gigantic universe developments of past and future eternity, we detect the expansion of the comprehensible elements of the Universal Father. As the I AM, we philosophically postulate his permeation of total infinity, but no creature is able experientially to encompass such a postulate. As the universes expand, and as gravity and love reach out into time-organizing space, we are able to understand more and more of the First Source and Center. We observe gravity action penetrating the space presence of the Unqualified Absolute, and we detect spirit creatures evolving and expanding within the divinity presence of the Deity Absolute while both cosmic and spirit evolution are by mind and experience unifying on finite deity levels as the Supreme Being and are co-ordinating on transcendental levels as the Trinity Ultimate. 4. Ultimate Quartan Integration (1166.4) 106:4.1 The Paradise Trinity certainly co-ordinates in the ultimate sense but functions in this respect as a self-qualified absolute; the experiential Trinity Ultimate co-ordinates the transcendental as a transcendental. In the eternal future this experiential Trinity will, through augmenting unity, further activate the eventuating presence of Ultimate Deity. (1166.5) 106:4.2 While the Trinity Ultimate is destined to co-ordinate the master creation, God the Ultimate is the transcendental power-personalization of the directionization of the entire master universe. The completed eventuation of the Ultimate implies the completion of the master creation and connotes the full emergence of this transcendental Deity. (1166.6) 106:4.3 What changes will be inaugurated by the full emergence of the Ultimate we do not know. But as the Supreme is now spiritually and personally present in Havona, so also is the Ultimate there present but in the absonite and superpersonal sense. And you have been informed of the existence of the Qualified Vicegerents of the Ultimate, though you have not been informed of their present whereabouts or function. (1167.1) 106:4.4 But irrespective of the administrative repercussions attendant upon the emergence of Ultimate Deity, the personal values of his transcendental divinity will be experiencible by all personalities who have been participants in the actualization of this Deity level. Transcendence of the finite can lead only to ultimate attainment. God the Ultimate exists in transcendence of time and space but is nonetheless subabsolute notwithstanding inherent capacity for functional association with absolutes. 5. Coabsolute or Fifth-Phase Association (1167.2) 106:5.1 The Ultimate is the apex of transcendental reality even as the Supreme is the capstone of evolutionary-experiential reality. And the actual emergence of these two experiential Deities lays the foundation for the second experiential Trinity. This is the Trinity Absolute, the union of God the Supreme, God the Ultimate, and the unrevealed Consummator of Universe Destiny. And this Trinity has theoretical capacity to activate the Absolutes of potentiality — Deity, Universal, and Unqualified. But the completed formation of this Trinity Absolute could take place only after the completed evolution of the entire master universe, from Havona to the fourth and outermost space level.* (1167.3) 106:5.2 It should be made clear that these experiential Trinities are correlative, not only of the personality qualities of experiential Divinity, but also of all the other-than-personal qualities which characterize their attained Deity unity. While this presentation deals primarily with the personal phases of the unification of the cosmos, it is nonetheless true that the impersonal aspects of the universe of universes are likewise destined to undergo unification as is illustrated by the power-personality synthesis now going on in connection with the evolution of the Supreme Being. The spirit-personal qualities of the Supreme are inseparable from the power prerogatives of the Almighty, and both are complemented by the unknown potential of Supreme mind. Neither can God the Ultimate as a person be considered apart from the other-than-personal aspects of Ultimate Deity. And on the absolute level the Deity and the Unqualified Absolutes are inseparable and indistinguishable in the presence of the Universal Absolute. (1167.4) 106:5.3 Trinities are, in and of themselves, not personal, but neither do they contravene personality. Rather do they encompass it and correlate it, in a collective sense, with impersonal functions. Trinities are, then, always deity reality but never personality reality. The personality aspects of a trinity are inherent in its individual members, and as individual persons they are not that trinity. Only as a collective are they trinity; that is trinity. But always is trinity inclusive of all encompassed deity; trinity is deity unity. (1167.5) 106:5.4 The three Absolutes — Deity, Universal, and Unqualified — are not trinity, for all are not deity. Only the deified can become trinity; all other associations are triunities or triodities. 6. Absolute or Sixth-Phase Integration (1167.6) 106:6.1 The present potential of the master universe is hardly absolute, though it may well be near-ultimate, and we deem it impossible to achieve the full revelation of absolute meaning-values within the scope of a subabsolute cosmos. We therefore encounter considerable difficulty in attempting to conceive of a total expression of the limitless possibilities of the three Absolutes or even in attempting to visualize the experiential personalization of God the Absolute on the now impersonal level of the Deity Absolute. (1168.1) 106:6.2 The space-stage of the master universe seems to be adequate for the actualization of the Supreme Being, for the formation and full function of the Trinity Ultimate, for the eventuation of God the Ultimate, and even for the inception of the Trinity Absolute. But our concepts regarding the full function of this second experiential Trinity seem to imply something beyond even the wide-spreading master universe. (1168.2) 106:6.3 If we assume a cosmos-infinite — some illimitable cosmos on beyond the master universe — and if we conceive that the final developments of the Absolute Trinity will take place out on such a superultimate stage of action, then it becomes possible to conjecture that the completed function of the Trinity Absolute will achieve final expression in the creations of infinity and will consummate the absolute actualization of all potentials. The integration and association of ever-enlarging segments of reality will approach absoluteness of status proportional to the inclusion of all reality within the segments thus associated. (1168.3) 106:6.4 Stated otherwise: The Trinity Absolute, as its name implies, is really absolute in total function. We do not know how an absolute function can achieve total expression on a qualified, limited, or otherwise restricted basis. Hence we must assume that any such totality function will be unconditioned (in potential). And it would also appear that the unconditioned would also be unlimited, at least from a qualitative standpoint, though we are not so sure regarding quantitative relationships. (1168.4) 106:6.5 Of this, however, we are certain: While the existential Paradise Trinity is infinite, and while the experiential Trinity Ultimate is subinfinite, the Trinity Absolute is not so easy to classify. Though experiential in genesis and constitution, it definitely impinges upon the existential Absolutes of potentiality. (1168.5) 106:6.6 While it is hardly profitable for the human mind to seek to grasp such faraway and superhuman concepts, we would suggest that the eternity action of the Trinity Absolute may be thought of as culminating in some kind of experientialization of the Absolutes of potentiality. This would appear to be a reasonable conclusion with respect to the Universal Absolute, if not the Unqualified Absolute; at least we know that the Universal Absolute is not only static and potential but also associative in the total Deity sense of those words. But in regard to the conceivable values of divinity and personality, these conjectured happenings imply the personalization of the Deity Absolute and the appearance of those superpersonal values and those ultrapersonal meanings inherent in the personality completion of God the Absolute — the third and last of the experiential Deities. 7. Finality of Destiny (1168.6) 106:7.1 Some of the difficulties in forming concepts of infinite reality integration are inherent in the fact that all such ideas embrace something of the finality of universal development, some kind of an experiential realization of all that could ever be. And it is inconceivable that quantitative infinity could ever be completely realized in finality. Always there must remain unexplored possibilities in the three potential Absolutes which no quantity of experiential development could ever exhaust. Eternity itself, though absolute, is not more than absolute. (1169.1) 106:7.2 Even a tentative concept of final integration is inseparable from the fruitions of unqualified eternity and is, therefore, practically nonrealizable at any conceivable future time. (1169.2) 106:7.3 Destiny is established by the volitional act of the Deities who constitute the Paradise Trinity; destiny is established in the vastness of the three great potentials whose absoluteness encompasses the possibilities of all future development; destiny is probably consummated by the act of the Consummator of Universe Destiny, and this act is probably involved with the Supreme and the Ultimate in the Trinity Absolute. Any experiential destiny can be at least partially comprehended by experiencing creatures; but a destiny which impinges on infinite existentials is hardly comprehensible. Finality destiny is an existential-experiential attainment which appears to involve the Deity Absolute. But the Deity Absolute stands in eternity relationship with the Unqualified Absolute by virtue of the Universal Absolute. And these three Absolutes, experiential in possibility, are actually existential and more, being limitless, timeless, spaceless, boundless, and measureless — truly infinite. (1169.3) 106:7.4 The improbability of goal attainment does not, however, prevent philosophical theorizing about such hypothetical destinies. The actualization of the Deity Absolute as an attainable absolute God may be practically impossible of realization; nevertheless, such a finality fruition remains a theoretical possibility. The involvement of the Unqualified Absolute in some inconceivable cosmos-infinite may be measurelessly remote in the futurity of endless eternity, but such a hypothesis is nonetheless valid. Mortals, morontians, spirits, finaliters, Transcendentalers, and others, together with the universes themselves and all other phases of reality, certainly do have a potentially final destiny that is absolute in value; but we doubt that any being or universe will ever completely attain all of the aspects of such a destiny. (1169.4) 106:7.5 No matter how much you may grow in Father comprehension, your mind will always be staggered by the unrevealed infinity of the Father-I AM, the unexplored vastness of which will always remain unfathomable and incomprehensible throughout all the cycles of eternity. No matter how much of God you may attain, there will always remain much more of him, the existence of which you will not even suspect. And we believe that this is just as true on transcendental levels as it is in the domains of finite existence. The quest for God is endless! (1169.5) 106:7.6 Such inability to attain God in a final sense should in no manner discourage universe creatures; indeed, you can and do attain Deity levels of the Sevenfold, the Supreme, and the Ultimate, which mean to you what the infinite realization of God the Father means to the Eternal Son and to the Conjoint Actor in their absolute status of eternity existence. Far from harassing the creature, the infinity of God should be the supreme assurance that throughout all endless futurity an ascending personality will have before him the possibilities of personality development and Deity association which even eternity will neither exhaust nor terminate. (1169.6) 106:7.7 To finite creatures of the grand universe the concept of the master universe seems to be well-nigh infinite, but doubtless the absonite architects thereof perceive its relatedness to future and unimagined developments within the unending I AM. Even space itself is but an ultimate condition, a condition of qualification within the relative absoluteness of the quiet zones of midspace. (1170.1) 106:7.8 At the inconceivably distant future eternity moment of the final completion of the entire master universe, no doubt we will all look back upon its entire history as only the beginning, simply the creation of certain finite and transcendental foundations for even greater and more enthralling metamorphoses in uncharted infinity. At such a future eternity moment the master universe will still seem youthful; indeed, it will be always young in the face of the limitless possibilities of never-ending eternity. (1170.2) 106:7.9 The improbability of infinite destiny attainment does not in the least prevent the entertainment of ideas about such destiny, and we do not hesitate to say that, if the three absolute potentials could ever become completely actualized, it would be possible to conceive of the final integration of total reality. This developmental realization is predicated on the completed actualization of the Unqualified, Universal, and Deity Absolutes, the three potentialities whose union constitutes the latency of the I AM, the suspended realities of eternity, the abeyant possibilities of all futurity, and more. (1170.3) 106:7.10 Such eventualities are rather remote to say the least; nevertheless, in the mechanisms, personalities, and associations of the three Trinities we believe we detect the theoretical possibility of the reuniting of the seven absolute phases of the Father-I AM. And this brings us face to face with the concept of the threefold Trinity encompassing the Paradise Trinity of existential status and the two subsequently appearing Trinities of experiential nature and origin. 8. The Trinity of Trinities (1170.4) 106:8.1 The nature of the Trinity of Trinities is difficult to portray to the human mind; it is the actual summation of the entirety of experiential infinity as such is manifested in a theoretical infinity of eternity realization. In the Trinity of Trinities the experiential infinite attains to identity with the existential infinite, and both are as one in the pre-experiential, pre-existential I AM. The Trinity of Trinities is the final expression of all that is implied in the fifteen triunities and associated triodities. Finalities are difficult for relative beings to comprehend, be they existential or experiential; therefore must they always be presented as relativities. (1170.5) 106:8.2 The Trinity of Trinities exists in several phases. It contains possibilities, probabilities, and inevitabilities that stagger the imaginations of beings far above the human level. It has implications that are probably unsuspected by the celestial philosophers, for its implications are in the triunities, and the triunities are, in the last analysis, unfathomable. (1170.6) 106:8.3 There are a number of ways in which the Trinity of Trinities can be portrayed. We elect to present the three-level concept, which is as follows: (1170.7) 106:8.4 1. The level of the three Trinities. (1170.8) 106:8.5 2. The level of experiential Deity. (1170.9) 106:8.6 3. The level of the I AM. (1170.10) 106:8.7 These are levels of increasing unification. Actually the Trinity of Trinities is the first level, while the second and third levels are unification-derivatives of the first. (1171.1) 106:8.8 THE FIRST LEVEL: On this initial level of association it is believed that the three Trinities function as perfectly synchronized, though distinct, groupings of Deity personalities. (1171.2) 106:8.9 1. The Paradise Trinity, the association of the three Paradise Deities — Father, Son, and Spirit. It should be remembered that the Paradise Trinity implies a threefold function — an absolute function, a transcendental function (Trinity of Ultimacy), and a finite function (Trinity of Supremacy). The Paradise Trinity is any and all of these at any and all times. (1171.3) 106:8.10 2. The Ultimate Trinity. This is the deity association of the Supreme Creators, God the Supreme, and the Architects of the Master Universe. While this is an adequate presentation of the divinity aspects of this Trinity, it should be recorded that there are other phases of this Trinity, which, however, appear to be perfectly co-ordinating with the divinity aspects. (1171.4) 106:8.11 3. The Absolute Trinity. This is the grouping of God the Supreme, God the Ultimate, and the Consummator of Universe Destiny in regard to all divinity values. Certain other phases of this triune grouping have to do with other-than-divinity values in the expanding cosmos. But these are unifying with the divinity phases just as the power and the personality aspects of the experiential Deities are now in process of experiential synthesis. (1171.5) 106:8.12 The association of these three Trinities in the Trinity of Trinities provides for a possible unlimited integration of reality. This grouping contains causes, intermediates, and finals; inceptors, realizers, and consummators; beginnings, existences, and destinies. The Father-Son partnership has become Son-Spirit and then Spirit-Supreme and on to Supreme-Ultimate and Ultimate-Absolute, even to Absolute and Father-Infinite — the completion of the cycle of reality. Likewise, in other phases not so immediately concerned with divinity and personality, does the First Great Source and Center self-realize the limitlessness of reality around the circle of eternity, from the absoluteness of self-existence, through the endlessness of self-revelation, to the finality of self-realization — from the absolute of existentials to the finality of experientials. (1171.6) 106:8.13 THE SECOND LEVEL: The co-ordination of the three Trinities inevitably involves the associative union of the experiential Deities, who are genetically associated with these Trinities. The nature of this second level has been sometimes presented as: (1171.7) 106:8.14 1. The Supreme. This is the deity consequence of the unity of the Paradise Trinity in experiential liaison with the Creator-Creative children of the Paradise Deities. The Supreme is the deity embodiment of the completion of the first stage of finite evolution. (1171.8) 106:8.15 2. The Ultimate. This is the deity consequence of the eventuated unity of the second Trinity, the transcendental and absonite personification of divinity. The Ultimate consists in a variably regarded unity of many qualities, and the human conception thereof would do well to include at least those phases of ultimacy which are control directing, personally experiencible, and tensionally unifying, but there are many other unrevealed aspects of the eventuated Deity. While the Ultimate and the Supreme are comparable, they are not identical, neither is the Ultimate merely an amplification of the Supreme. (1172.1) 106:8.16 3. The Absolute. There are many theories held as to the character of the third member of the second level of the Trinity of Trinities. God the Absolute is undoubtedly involved in this association as the personality consequence of the final function of the Trinity Absolute, yet the Deity Absolute is an existential reality of eternity status. (1172.2) 106:8.17 The concept difficulty regarding this third member is inherent in the fact that the presupposition of such a membership really implies just one Absolute. Theoretically, if such an event could take place, we should witness the experiential unification of the three Absolutes as one. And we are taught that, in infinity and existentially, there is one Absolute. While it is least clear as to who this third member can be, it is often postulated that such may consist of the Deity, Universal, and Unqualified Absolutes in some form of unimagined liaison and cosmic manifestation. Certainly, the Trinity of Trinities could hardly attain to complete function short of the full unification of the three Absolutes, and the three Absolutes can hardly be unified short of the complete realization of all infinite potentials. (1172.3) 106:8.18 It will probably represent a minimum distortion of truth if the third member of the Trinity of Trinities is conceived as the Universal Absolute, provided this conception envisions the Universal not only as static and potential but also as associative. But we still do not perceive the relationship to the creative and evolutional aspects of the function of total Deity. (1172.4) 106:8.19 Though a completed concept of the Trinity of Trinities is difficult to form, a qualified concept is not so difficult. If the second level of the Trinity of Trinities is conceived as essentially personal, it becomes quite possible to postulate the union of God the Supreme, God the Ultimate, and God the Absolute as the personal repercussion of the union of the personal Trinities who are ancestral to these experiential Deities. We venture the opinion that these three experiential Deities will certainly unify on the second level as the direct consequence of the growing unity of their ancestral and causative Trinities who constitute the first level. (1172.5) 106:8.20 The first level consists of three Trinities; the second level exists as the personality association of experiential-evolved, experiential-eventuated, and experiential-existential Deity personalities. And regardless of any conceptual difficulty in understanding the complete Trinity of Trinities, the personal association of these three Deities on the second level has become manifest to our own universe age in the phenomenon of the deitization of Majeston, who was actualized on this second level by the Deity Absolute, acting through the Ultimate and in response to the initial creative mandate of the Supreme Being. (1172.6) 106:8.21 THE THIRD LEVEL: In an unqualified hypothesis of the second level of the Trinity of Trinities, there is embraced the correlation of every phase of every kind of reality that is, or was, or could be in the entirety of infinity. The Supreme Being is not only spirit but also mind and power and experience. The Ultimate is all this and much more, while, in the conjoined concept of the oneness of the Deity, Universal, and Unqualified Absolutes, there is included the absolute finality of all reality realization. (1172.7) 106:8.22 In the union of the Supreme, Ultimate, and the complete Absolute, there could occur the functional reassembly of those aspects of infinity which were originally segmentalized by the I AM, and which resulted in the appearance of the Seven Absolutes of Infinity. Though the universe philosophers deem this to be a most remote probability, still, we often ask this question: If the second level of the Trinity of Trinities could ever achieve trinity unity, what then would transpire as a consequence of such deity unity? We do not know, but we are confident that it would lead directly to the realization of the I AM as an experiential attainable. From the standpoint of personal beings it could mean that the unknowable I AM had become experiencible as the Father-Infinite. What these absolute destinies might mean from a nonpersonal standpoint is another matter and one which only eternity could possibly clarify. But as we view these remote eventualities as personal creatures, we deduce that the final destiny of all personalities is the final knowing of the Universal Father of these selfsame personalities. (1173.1) 106:8.23 As we philosophically conceive of the I AM in past eternity, he is alone, there is none beside him. Looking forward into future eternity, we do not see that the I AM could possibly change as an existential, but we are inclined to forecast a vast experiential difference. Such a concept of the I AM implies full self-realization — it embraces that limitless galaxy of personalities who have become volitional participants in the self-revelation of the I AM, and who will remain eternally as absolute volitional parts of the totality of infinity, final sons of the absolute Father. 9. Existential Infinite Unification (1173.2) 106:9.1 In the concept of the Trinity of Trinities we postulate the possible experiential unification of limitless reality, and we sometimes theorize that all this may happen in the utter remoteness of far-distant eternity. But there is nonetheless an actual and present unification of infinity in this very age as in all past and future universe ages; such unification is existential in the Paradise Trinity. Infinity unification as an experiential reality is unthinkably remote, but an unqualified unity of infinity now dominates the present moment of universe existence and unites the divergencies of all reality with an existential majesty that is absolute. (1173.3) 106:9.2 When finite creatures attempt to conceive of infinite unification on the finality levels of consummated eternity, they are face to face with intellect limitations inherent in their finite existences. Time, space, and experience constitute barriers to creature concept; and yet, without time, apart from space, and except for experience, no creature could achieve even a limited comprehension of universe reality. Without time sensitivity, no evolutionary creature could possibly perceive the relations of sequence. Without space perception, no creature could fathom the relations of simultaneity. Without experience, no evolutionary creature could even exist; only the Seven Absolutes of Infinity really transcend experience, and even these may be experiential in certain phases. (1173.4) 106:9.3 Time, space, and experience are man’s greatest aids to relative reality perception and yet his most formidable obstacles to complete reality perception. Mortals and many other universe creatures find it necessary to think of potentials as being actualized in space and evolving to fruition in time, but this entire process is a time-space phenomenon which does not actually take place on Paradise and in eternity. On the absolute level there is neither time nor space; all potentials may be there perceived as actuals. (1173.5) 106:9.4 The concept of the unification of all reality, be it in this or any other universe age, is basically twofold: existential and experiential. Such a unity is in process of experiential realization in the Trinity of Trinities, but the degree of the apparent actualization of this threefold Trinity is directly proportional to the disappearance of the qualifications and imperfections of reality in the cosmos. But total integration of reality is unqualifiedly and eternally and existentially present in the Paradise Trinity, within which, at this very universe moment, infinite reality is absolutely unified. (1174.1) 106:9.5 The paradox created by the experiential and the existential viewpoints is inevitable and is predicated in part on the fact that the Paradise Trinity and the Trinity of Trinities are each an eternity relationship which mortals can only perceive as a time-space relativity. The human concept of the gradual experiential actualization of the Trinity of Trinities — the time viewpoint — must be supplemented by the additional postulate that this is already a factualization — the eternity viewpoint. But how can these two viewpoints be reconciled? To finite mortals we suggest the acceptance of the truth that the Paradise Trinity is the existential unification of infinity, and that the inability to detect the actual presence and completed manifestation of the experiential Trinity of Trinities is in part due to reciprocal distortion because of: (1174.2) 106:9.6 1. The limited human viewpoint, the inability to grasp the concept of unqualified eternity. (1174.3) 106:9.7 2. The imperfect human status, the remoteness from the absolute level of experientials. (1174.4) 106:9.8 3. The purpose of human existence, the fact that mankind is designed to evolve by the technique of experience and, therefore, must be inherently and constitutively dependent on experience. Only an Absolute can be both existential and experiential. (1174.5) 106:9.9 The Universal Father in the Paradise Trinity is the I AM of the Trinity of Trinities, and the failure to experience the Father as infinite is due to finite limitations. The concept of the existential, solitary, pre-Trinity nonattainable I AM and the postulate of the experiential post-Trinity of Trinities and attainable I AM are one and the same hypothesis; no actual change has taken place in the Infinite; all apparent developments are due to increased capacities for reality reception and cosmic appreciation. (1174.6) 106:9.10 The I AM, in the final analysis, must exist before all existentials and after all experientials. While these ideas may not clarify the paradoxes of eternity and infinity in the human mind, they should at least stimulate such finite intellects to grapple anew with these never-ending problems, problems which will continue to intrigue you on Salvington and later as finaliters and on throughout the unending future of your eternal careers in the wide-spreading universes. (1174.7) 106:9.11 Sooner or later all universe personalities begin to realize that the final quest of eternity is the endless exploration of infinity, the never-ending voyage of discovery into the absoluteness of the First Source and Center. Sooner or later we all become aware that all creature growth is proportional to Father identification. We arrive at the understanding that living the will of God is the eternal passport to the endless possibility of infinity itself. Mortals will sometime realize that success in the quest of the Infinite is directly proportional to the achievement of Fatherlikeness, and that in this universe age the realities of the Father are revealed within the qualities of divinity. And these qualities of divinity are personally appropriated by universe creatures in the experience of living divinely, and to live divinely means actually to live the will of God. (1175.1) 106:9.12 To material, evolutionary, finite creatures, a life predicated on the living of the Father’s will leads directly to the attainment of spirit supremacy in the personality arena and brings such creatures one step nearer the comprehension of the Father-Infinite. Such a Father life is one predicated on truth, sensitive to beauty, and dominated by goodness. Such a God-knowing person is inwardly illuminated by worship and outwardly devoted to the wholehearted service of the universal brotherhood of all personalities, a service ministry which is filled with mercy and motivated by love, while all these life qualities are unified in the evolving personality on ever-ascending levels of cosmic wisdom, self-realization, God-finding, and Father worship. (1175.2) 106:9.13 [Presented by a Melchizedek of Nebadon.]
Growth of the Trinity Concept (1143.1) 104:0.1 THE Trinity concept of revealed religion must not be confused with the triad beliefs of evolutionary religions. The ideas of triads arose from many suggestive relationships but chiefly because of the three joints of the fingers, because three legs were the fewest which could stabilize a stool, because three support points could keep up a tent; furthermore, primitive man, for a long time, could not count beyond three. (1143.2) 104:0.2 Aside from certain natural couplets, such as past and present, day and night, hot and cold, and male and female, man generally tends to think in triads: yesterday, today, and tomorrow; sunrise, noon, and sunset; father, mother, and child. Three cheers are given the victor. The dead are buried on the third day, and the ghost is placated by three ablutions of water. (1143.3) 104:0.3 As a consequence of these natural associations in human experience, the triad made its appearance in religion, and this long before the Paradise Trinity of Deities, or even any of their representatives, had been revealed to mankind. Later on, the Persians, Hindus, Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, and Scandinavians all had triad gods, but these were still not true trinities. Triad deities all had a natural origin and have appeared at one time or another among most of the intelligent peoples of Urantia. Sometimes the concept of an evolutionary triad has become mixed with that of a revealed Trinity; in these instances it is often impossible to distinguish one from the other. 1. Urantian Trinity Concepts (1143.4) 104:1.1 The first Urantian revelation leading to the comprehension of the Paradise Trinity was made by the staff of Prince Caligastia about one-half million years ago. This earliest Trinity concept was lost to the world in the unsettled times following the planetary rebellion. (1143.5) 104:1.2 The second presentation of the Trinity was made by Adam and Eve in the first and second gardens. These teachings had not been wholly obliterated even in the times of Machiventa Melchizedek about thirty-five thousand years later, for the Trinity concept of the Sethites persisted in both Mesopotamia and Egypt but more especially in India, where it was long perpetuated in Agni, the Vedic three-headed fire god. (1143.6) 104:1.3 The third presentation of the Trinity was made by Machiventa Melchizedek, and this doctrine was symbolized by the three concentric circles which the sage of Salem wore on his breast plate. But Machiventa found it very difficult to teach the Palestinian Bedouins about the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit. Most of his disciples thought that the Trinity consisted of the three Most Highs of Norlatiadek; a few conceived of the Trinity as the System Sovereign, the Constellation Father, and the local universe Creator Deity; still fewer even remotely grasped the idea of the Paradise association of the Father, Son, and Spirit. (1144.1) 104:1.4 Through the activities of the Salem missionaries the Melchizedek teachings of the Trinity gradually spread throughout much of Eurasia and northern Africa. It is often difficult to distinguish between the triads and the trinities in the later Andite and the post-Melchizedek ages, when both concepts to a certain extent intermingled and coalesced. (1144.2) 104:1.5 Among the Hindus the trinitarian concept took root as Being, Intelligence, and Joy. (A later Indian conception was Brahma, Siva, and Vishnu.) While the earlier Trinity portrayals were brought to India by the Sethite priests, the later ideas of the Trinity were imported by the Salem missionaries and were developed by the native intellects of India through a compounding of these doctrines with the evolutionary triad conceptions. (1144.3) 104:1.6 The Buddhist faith developed two doctrines of a trinitarian nature: The earlier was Teacher, Law, and Brotherhood; that was the presentation made by Gautama Siddhartha. The later idea, developing among the northern branch of the followers of Buddha, embraced Supreme Lord, Holy Spirit, and Incarnate Savior. (1144.4) 104:1.7 And these ideas of the Hindus and Buddhists were real trinitarian postulates, that is, the idea of a threefold manifestation of a monotheistic God. A true trinity conception is not just a grouping together of three separate gods. (1144.5) 104:1.8 The Hebrews knew about the Trinity from the Kenite traditions of the days of Melchizedek, but their monotheistic zeal for the one God, Yahweh, so eclipsed all such teachings that by the time of Jesus’ appearance the Elohim doctrine had been practically eradicated from Jewish theology. The Hebrew mind could not reconcile the trinitarian concept with the monotheistic belief in the One Lord, the God of Israel. (1144.6) 104:1.9 The followers of the Islamic faith likewise failed to grasp the idea of the Trinity. It is always difficult for an emerging monotheism to tolerate trinitarianism when confronted by polytheism. The trinity idea takes best hold of those religions which have a firm monotheistic tradition coupled with doctrinal elasticity. The great monotheists, the Hebrews and Mohammedans, found it difficult to distinguish between worshiping three gods, polytheism, and trinitarianism, the worship of one Deity existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and personality. (1144.7) 104:1.10 Jesus taught his apostles the truth regarding the persons of the Paradise Trinity, but they thought he spoke figuratively and symbolically. Having been nurtured in Hebraic monotheism, they found it difficult to entertain any belief that seemed to conflict with their dominating concept of Yahweh. And the early Christians inherited the Hebraic prejudice against the Trinity concept. (1144.8) 104:1.11 The first Trinity of Christianity was proclaimed at Antioch and consisted of God, his Word, and his Wisdom. Paul knew of the Paradise Trinity of Father, Son, and Spirit, but he seldom preached about it and made mention thereof in only a few of his letters to the newly forming churches. Even then, as did his fellow apostles, Paul confused Jesus, the Creator Son of the local universe, with the Second Person of Deity, the Eternal Son of Paradise. (1144.9) 104:1.12 The Christian concept of the Trinity, which began to gain recognition near the close of the first century after Christ, was comprised of the Universal Father, the Creator Son of Nebadon, and the Divine Minister of Salvington — Mother Spirit of the local universe and creative consort of the Creator Son. (1145.1) 104:1.13 Not since the times of Jesus has the factual identity of the Paradise Trinity been known on Urantia (except by a few individuals to whom it was especially revealed) until its presentation in these revelatory disclosures. But though the Christian concept of the Trinity erred in fact, it was practically true with respect to spiritual relationships. Only in its philosophic implications and cosmological consequences did this concept suffer embarrassment: It has been difficult for many who are cosmic minded to believe that the Second Person of Deity, the second member of an infinite Trinity, once dwelt on Urantia; and while in spirit this is true, in actuality it is not a fact. The Michael Creators fully embody the divinity of the Eternal Son, but they are not the absolute personality. 2. Trinity Unity and Deity Plurality (1145.2) 104:2.1 Monotheism arose as a philosophic protest against the inconsistency of polytheism. It developed first through pantheon organizations with the departmentalization of supernatural activities, then through the henotheistic exaltation of one god above the many, and finally through the exclusion of all but the One God of final value. (1145.3) 104:2.2 Trinitarianism grows out of the experiential protest against the impossibility of conceiving the oneness of a deanthropomorphized solitary Deity of unrelated universe significance. Given a sufficient time, philosophy tends to abstract the personal qualities from the Deity concept of pure monotheism, thus reducing this idea of an unrelated God to the status of a pantheistic Absolute. It has always been difficult to understand the personal nature of a God who has no personal relationships in equality with other and co-ordinate personal beings. Personality in Deity demands that such Deity exist in relation to other and equal personal Deity. (1145.4) 104:2.3 Through the recognition of the Trinity concept the mind of man can hope to grasp something of the interrelationship of love and law in the time-space creations. Through spiritual faith man gains insight into the love of God but soon discovers that this spiritual faith has no influence on the ordained laws of the material universe. Irrespective of the firmness of man’s belief in God as his Paradise Father, expanding cosmic horizons demand that he also give recognition to the reality of Paradise Deity as universal law, that he recognize the Trinity sovereignty extending outward from Paradise and overshadowing even the evolving local universes of the Creator Sons and Creative Daughters of the three eternal persons whose deity union is the fact and reality and eternal indivisibility of the Paradise Trinity. (1145.5) 104:2.4 And this selfsame Paradise Trinity is a real entity — not a personality but nonetheless a true and absolute reality; not a personality but nonetheless compatible with coexistent personalities — the personalities of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. The Trinity is a supersummative Deity reality eventuating out of the conjoining of the three Paradise Deities. The qualities, characteristics, and functions of the Trinity are not the simple sum of the attributes of the three Paradise Deities; Trinity functions are something unique, original, and not wholly predictable from an analysis of the attributes of Father, Son, and Spirit. (1146.1) 104:2.5 For example: The Master, when on earth, admonished his followers that justice is never a personal act; it is always a group function. Neither do the Gods, as persons, administer justice. But they perform this very function as a collective whole, as the Paradise Trinity. (1146.2) 104:2.6 The conceptual grasp of the Trinity association of Father, Son, and Spirit prepares the human mind for the further presentation of certain other threefold relationships. Theological reason may be fully satisfied by the concept of the Paradise Trinity, but philosophical and cosmological reason demand the recognition of the other triune associations of the First Source and Center, those triunities in which the Infinite functions in various non-Father capacities of universal manifestation — the relationships of the God of force, energy, power, causation, reaction, potentiality, actuality, gravity, tension, pattern, principle, and unity. 3. Trinities and Triunities (1146.3) 104:3.1 While mankind has sometimes grasped at an understanding of the Trinity of the three persons of Deity, consistency demands that the human intellect perceive that there are certain relationships between all seven Absolutes. But all that which is true of the Paradise Trinity is not necessarily true of a triunity, for a triunity is something other than a trinity. In certain functional aspects a triunity may be analogous to a trinity, but it is never homologous in nature with a trinity. (1146.4) 104:3.2 Mortal man is passing through a great age of expanding horizons and enlarging concepts on Urantia, and his cosmic philosophy must accelerate in evolution to keep pace with the expansion of the intellectual arena of human thought. As the cosmic consciousness of mortal man expands, he perceives the interrelatedness of all that he finds in his material science, intellectual philosophy, and spiritual insight. Still, with all this belief in the unity of the cosmos, man perceives the diversity of all existence. In spite of all concepts concerning the immutability of Deity, man perceives that he lives in a universe of constant change and experiential growth. Regardless of the realization of the survival of spiritual values, man has ever to reckon with the mathematics and premathematics of force, energy, and power. (1146.5) 104:3.3 In some manner the eternal repleteness of infinity must be reconciled with the time-growth of the evolving universes and with the incompleteness of the experiential inhabitants thereof. In some way the conception of total infinitude must be so segmented and qualified that the mortal intellect and the morontia soul can grasp this concept of final value and spiritualizing significance. (1146.6) 104:3.4 While reason demands a monotheistic unity of cosmic reality, finite experience requires the postulate of plural Absolutes and of their co-ordination in cosmic relationships. Without co-ordinate existences there is no possibility for the appearance of diversity of absolute relationships, no chance for the operation of differentials, variables, modifiers, attenuators, qualifiers, or diminishers. (1146.7) 104:3.5 In these papers total reality (infinity) has been presented as it exists in the seven Absolutes: (1146.8) 104:3.6 1. The Universal Father. (1146.9) 104:3.7 2. The Eternal Son. (1146.10) 104:3.8 3. The Infinite Spirit. (1147.1) 104:3.9 4. The Isle of Paradise. (1147.2) 104:3.10 5. The Deity Absolute. (1147.3) 104:3.11 6. The Universal Absolute. (1147.4) 104:3.12 7. The Unqualified Absolute. (1147.5) 104:3.13 The First Source and Center, who is Father to the Eternal Son, is also Pattern to the Paradise Isle. He is personality unqualified in the Son but personality potentialized in the Deity Absolute. The Father is energy revealed in Paradise-Havona and at the same time energy concealed in the Unqualified Absolute. The Infinite is ever disclosed in the ceaseless acts of the Conjoint Actor while he is eternally functioning in the compensating but enshrouded activities of the Universal Absolute. Thus is the Father related to the six co-ordinate Absolutes, and thus do all seven encompass the circle of infinity throughout the endless cycles of eternity. (1147.6) 104:3.14 It would seem that triunity of absolute relationships is inevitable. Personality seeks other personality association on absolute as well as on all other levels. And the association of the three Paradise personalities eternalizes the first triunity, the personality union of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. For when these three persons, as persons, conjoin for united function, they thereby constitute a triunity of functional unity, not a trinity — an organic entity — but nonetheless a triunity, a threefold functional aggregate unanimity. (1147.7) 104:3.15 The Paradise Trinity is not a triunity; it is not a functional unanimity; rather is it undivided and indivisible Deity. The Father, Son, and Spirit (as persons) can sustain a relationship to the Paradise Trinity, for the Trinity is their undivided Deity. The Father, Son, and Spirit sustain no such personal relationship to the first triunity, for that is their functional union as three persons. Only as the Trinity — as undivided Deity — do they collectively sustain an external relationship to the triunity of their personal aggregation. (1147.8) 104:3.16 Thus does the Paradise Trinity stand unique among absolute relationships; there are several existential triunities but only one existential Trinity. A triunity is not an entity. It is functional rather than organic. Its members are partners rather than corporative. The components of the triunities may be entities, but a triunity itself is an association. (1147.9) 104:3.17 There is, however, one point of comparison between trinity and triunity: Both eventuate in functions that are something other than the discernible sum of the attributes of the component members. But while they are thus comparable from a functional standpoint, they otherwise exhibit no categorical relationship. They are roughly related as the relation of function to structure. But the function of the triunity association is not the function of the trinity structure or entity. (1147.10) 104:3.18 The triunities are nonetheless real; they are very real. In them is total reality functionalized, and through them does the Universal Father exercise immediate and personal control over the master functions of infinity. 4. The Seven Triunities (1147.11) 104:4.1 In attempting the description of seven triunities, attention is directed to the fact that the Universal Father is the primal member of each. He is, was, and ever will be: the First Universal Father-Source, Absolute Center, Primal Cause, Universal Controller, Limitless Energizer, Original Unity, Unqualified Upholder, First Person of Deity, Primal Cosmic Pattern, and Essence of Infinity. The Universal Father is the personal cause of the Absolutes; he is the absolute of Absolutes. (1148.1) 104:4.2 The nature and meaning of the seven triunities may be suggested as: (1148.2) 104:4.3 The First Triunity — the personal-purposive triunity. This is the grouping of the three Deity personalities: (1148.3) 104:4.4 1. The Universal Father. (1148.4) 104:4.5 2. The Eternal Son. (1148.5) 104:4.6 3. The Infinite Spirit. (1148.6) 104:4.7 This is the threefold union of love, mercy, and ministry — the purposive and personal association of the three eternal Paradise personalities. This is the divinely fraternal, creature-loving, fatherly-acting, and ascension-promoting association. The divine personalities of this first triunity are personality-bequeathing, spirit-bestowing, and mind-endowing Gods. (1148.7) 104:4.8 This is the triunity of infinite volition; it acts throughout the eternal present and in all of the past-present-future flow of time. This association yields volitional infinity and provides the mechanisms whereby personal Deity becomes self-revelatory to the creatures of the evolving cosmos. (1148.8) 104:4.9 The Second Triunity — the power-pattern triunity. Whether it be a tiny ultimaton, a blazing star, or a whirling nebula, even the central or superuniverses, from the smallest to the largest material organizations, always is the physical pattern — the cosmic configuration — derived from the function of this triunity. This association consists of: (1148.9) 104:4.10 1. The Father-Son. (1148.10) 104:4.11 2. The Paradise Isle. (1148.11) 104:4.12 3. The Conjoint Actor. (1148.12) 104:4.13 Energy is organized by the cosmic agents of the Third Source and Center; energy is fashioned after the pattern of Paradise, the absolute materialization; but behind all of this ceaseless manipulation is the presence of the Father-Son, whose union first activated the Paradise pattern in the appearance of Havona concomitant with the birth of the Infinite Spirit, the Conjoint Actor. (1148.13) 104:4.14 In religious experience, creatures make contact with the God who is love, but such spiritual insight must never eclipse the intelligent recognition of the universe fact of the pattern which is Paradise. The Paradise personalities enlist the freewill adoration of all creatures by the compelling power of divine love and lead all such spirit-born personalities into the supernal delights of the unending service of the finaliter sons of God. The second triunity is the architect of the space stage whereon these transactions unfold; it determines the patterns of cosmic configuration. (1148.14) 104:4.15 Love may characterize the divinity of the first triunity, but pattern is the galactic manifestation of the second triunity. What the first triunity is to evolving personalities, the second triunity is to the evolving universes. Pattern and personality are two of the great manifestations of the acts of the First Source and Center; and no matter how difficult it may be to comprehend, it is nonetheless true that the power-pattern and the loving person are one and the same universal reality; the Paradise Isle and the Eternal Son are co-ordinate but antipodal revelations of the unfathomable nature of the Universal Father-Force. (1149.1) 104:4.16 The Third Triunity — the spirit-evolutional triunity. The entirety of spiritual manifestation has its beginning and end in this association, consisting of: (1149.2) 104:4.17 1. The Universal Father. (1149.3) 104:4.18 2. The Son-Spirit. (1149.4) 104:4.19 3. The Deity Absolute. (1149.5) 104:4.20 From spirit potency to Paradise spirit, all spirit finds reality expression in this triune association of the pure spirit essence of the Father, the active spirit values of the Son-Spirit, and the unlimited spirit potentials of the Deity Absolute. The existential values of spirit have their primordial genesis, complete manifestation, and final destiny in this triunity. (1149.6) 104:4.21 The Father exists before spirit; the Son-Spirit functions as active creative spirit; the Deity Absolute exists as all-encompassing spirit, even beyond spirit. (1149.7) 104:4.22 The Fourth Triunity — the triunity of energy infinity. Within this triunity there eternalizes the beginnings and the endings of all energy reality, from space potency to monota. This grouping embraces the following: (1149.8) 104:4.23 1. The Father-Spirit. (1149.9) 104:4.24 2. The Paradise Isle. (1149.10) 104:4.25 3. The Unqualified Absolute. (1149.11) 104:4.26 Paradise is the center of the force-energy activation of the cosmos — the universe position of the First Source and Center, the cosmic focal point of the Unqualified Absolute, and the source of all energy. Existentially present within this triunity is the energy potential of the cosmos-infinite, of which the grand universe and the master universe are only partial manifestations. (1149.12) 104:4.27 The fourth triunity absolutely controls the fundamental units of cosmic energy and releases them from the grasp of the Unqualified Absolute in direct proportion to the appearance in the experiential Deities of subabsolute capacity to control and stabilize the metamorphosing cosmos. (1149.13) 104:4.28 This triunity is force and energy. The endless possibilities of the Unqualified Absolute are centered around the absolutum of the Isle of Paradise, whence emanate the unimaginable agitations of the otherwise static quiescence of the Unqualified. And the endless throbbing of the material Paradise heart of the infinite cosmos beats in harmony with the unfathomable pattern and the unsearchable plan of the Infinite Energizer, the First Source and Center. (1149.14) 104:4.29 The Fifth Triunity — the triunity of reactive infinity. This association consists of: (1149.15) 104:4.30 1. The Universal Father. (1149.16) 104:4.31 2. The Universal Absolute. (1149.17) 104:4.32 3. The Unqualified Absolute. (1149.18) 104:4.33 This grouping yields the eternalization of the functional infinity realization of all that is actualizable within the domains of nondeity reality. This triunity manifests unlimited reactive capacity to the volitional, causative, tensional, and patternal actions and presences of the other triunities. (1150.1) 104:4.34 The Sixth Triunity — the triunity of cosmic-associated Deity. This grouping consists of: (1150.2) 104:4.35 1. The Universal Father. (1150.3) 104:4.36 2. The Deity Absolute. (1150.4) 104:4.37 3. The Universal Absolute. (1150.5) 104:4.38 This is the association of Deity-in-the-cosmos, the immanence of Deity in conjunction with the transcendence of Deity. This is the last outreach of divinity on the levels of infinity toward those realities which lie outside the domain of deified reality. (1150.6) 104:4.39 The Seventh Triunity — the triunity of infinite unity. This is the unity of infinity functionally manifest in time and eternity, the co-ordinate unification of actuals and potentials. This group consists of: (1150.7) 104:4.40 1. The Universal Father. (1150.8) 104:4.41 2. The Conjoint Actor. (1150.9) 104:4.42 3. The Universal Absolute. (1150.10) 104:4.43 The Conjoint Actor universally integrates the varying functional aspects of all actualized reality on all levels of manifestation, from finites through transcendentals and on to absolutes. The Universal Absolute perfectly compensates the differentials inherent in the varying aspects of all incomplete reality, from the limitless potentialities of active-volitional and causative Deity reality to the boundless possibilities of static, reactive, nondeity reality in the incomprehensible domains of the Unqualified Absolute. (1150.11) 104:4.44 As they function in this triunity, the Conjoint Actor and the Universal Absolute are alike responsive to Deity and to nondeity presences, as also is the First Source and Center, who in this relationship is to all intents and purposes conceptually indistinguishable from the I AM. (1150.12) 104:4.45 These approximations are sufficient to elucidate the concept of the triunities. Not knowing the ultimate level of the triunities, you cannot fully comprehend the first seven. While we do not deem it wise to attempt any further elaboration, we may state that there are fifteen triune associations of the First Source and Center, eight of which are unrevealed in these papers. These unrevealed associations are concerned with realities, actualities, and potentialities which are beyond the experiential level of supremacy. (1150.13) 104:4.46 The triunities are the functional balance wheel of infinity, the unification of the uniqueness of the Seven Infinity Absolutes. It is the existential presence of the triunities that enables the Father-I AM to experience functional infinity unity despite the diversification of infinity into seven Absolutes. The First Source and Center is the unifying member of all triunities; in him all things have their unqualified beginnings, eternal existences, and infinite destinies — “in him all things consist.” (1150.14) 104:4.47 Although these associations cannot augment the infinity of the Father-I AM, they do appear to make possible the subinfinite and subabsolute manifestations of his reality. The seven triunities multiply versatility, eternalize new depths, deitize new values, disclose new potentialities, reveal new meanings; and all these diversified manifestations in time and space and in the eternal cosmos are existent in the hypothetical stasis of the original infinity of the I AM. 5. Triodities (1151.1) 104:5.1 There are certain other triune relationships which are non-Father in constitution, but they are not real triunities, and they are always distinguished from the Father triunities. They are called variously, associate triunities, co-ordinate triunities, and triodities. They are consequential to the existence of the triunities. Two of these associations are constituted as follows: (1151.2) 104:5.2 The Triodity of Actuality. This triodity consists in the interrelationship of the three absolute actuals: (1151.3) 104:5.3 1. The Eternal Son. (1151.4) 104:5.4 2. The Paradise Isle. (1151.5) 104:5.5 3. The Conjoint Actor. (1151.6) 104:5.6 The Eternal Son is the absolute of spirit reality, the absolute personality. The Paradise Isle is the absolute of cosmic reality, the absolute pattern. The Conjoint Actor is the absolute of mind reality, the co-ordinate of absolute spirit reality, and the existential Deity synthesis of personality and power. This triune association eventuates the co-ordination of the sum total of actualized reality — spirit, cosmic, or mindal. It is unqualified in actuality. (1151.7) 104:5.7 The Triodity of Potentiality. This triodity consists in the association of the three Absolutes of potentiality: (1151.8) 104:5.8 1. The Deity Absolute. (1151.9) 104:5.9 2. The Universal Absolute. (1151.10) 104:5.10 3. The Unqualified Absolute. (1151.11) 104:5.11 Thus are interassociated the infinity reservoirs of all latent energy reality — spirit, mindal, or cosmic. This association yields the integration of all latent energy reality. It is infinite in potential. (1151.12) 104:5.12 As the triunities are primarily concerned with the functional unification of infinity, so are triodities involved in the cosmic appearance of experiential Deities. The triunities are indirectly concerned, but the triodities are directly concerned, in the experiential Deities — Supreme, Ultimate, and Absolute. They appear in the emerging power-personality synthesis of the Supreme Being. And to the time creatures of space the Supreme Being is a revelation of the unity of the I AM. (1151.13) 104:5.13 [Presented by a Melchizedek of Nebadon.]
Universal Unity (637.1) 56:0.1 GOD is unity. Deity is universally co-ordinated. The universe of universes is one vast integrated mechanism which is absolutely controlled by one infinite mind. The physical, intellectual, and spiritual domains of universal creation are divinely correlated. The perfect and imperfect are truly interrelated, and therefore may the finite evolutionary creature ascend to Paradise in obedience to the Universal Father’s mandate: “Be you perfect, even as I am perfect.” (637.2) 56:0.2 The diverse levels of creation are all unified in the plans and administration of the Architects of the Master Universe. To the circumscribed minds of time-space mortals the universe may present many problems and situations which apparently portray disharmony and indicate absence of effective co-ordination; but those of us who are able to observe wider stretches of universal phenomena, and who are more experienced in this art of detecting the basic unity which underlies creative diversity and of discovering the divine oneness which overspreads all this functioning of plurality, better perceive the divine and single purpose exhibited in all these manifold manifestations of universal creative energy. 1. Physical Co-ordination (637.3) 56:1.1 The physical or material creation is not infinite, but it is perfectly co-ordinated. There are force, energy, and power, but they are all one in origin. The seven superuniverses are seemingly dual; the central universe, triune; but Paradise is of single constitution. And Paradise is the actual source of all material universes — past, present, and future. But this cosmic derivation is an eternity event; at no time — past, present, or future — does either space or the material cosmos come forth from the nuclear Isle of Light. As the cosmic source, Paradise functions prior to space and before time; hence would its derivations seem to be orphaned in time and space did they not emerge through the Unqualified Absolute, their ultimate repository in space and their revealer and regulator in time. (637.4) 56:1.2 The Unqualified Absolute upholds the physical universe, while the Deity Absolute motivates the exquisite overcontrol of all material reality; and both Absolutes are functionally unified by the Universal Absolute. This cohesive correlation of the material universe is best understood by all personalities — material, morontia, absonite, or spiritual — by the observation of the gravity response of all bona fide material reality to the gravity centering on nether Paradise. (638.1) 56:1.3 Gravity unification is universal and unvarying; pure-energy response is likewise universal and inescapable. Pure energy (primordial force) and pure spirit are wholly preresponsive to gravity. These primal forces, inhering in the Absolutes, are personally controlled by the Universal Father; hence does all gravity center in the personal presence of the Paradise Father of pure energy and pure spirit and in his supermaterial abode. (638.2) 56:1.4 Pure energy is the ancestor of all relative, nonspirit functional realities, while pure spirit is the potential of the divine and directive overcontrol of all basic energy systems. And these realities, so diverse as manifested throughout space and as observed in the motions of time, are both centered in the person of the Paradise Father. In him they are one — must be unified — because God is one. The Father’s personality is absolutely unified. (638.3) 56:1.5 In the infinite nature of God the Father there could not possibly exist duality of reality, such as physical and spiritual; but the instant we look aside from the infinite levels and absolute reality of the personal values of the Paradise Father, we observe the existence of these two realities and recognize that they are fully responsive to his personal presence; in him all things consist. (638.4) 56:1.6 The moment you depart from the unqualified concept of the infinite personality of the Paradise Father, you must postulate MIND as the inevitable technique of unifying the ever-widening divergence of these dual universe manifestations of the original monothetic Creator personality, the First Source and Center — the I AM. 2. Intellectual Unity (638.5) 56:2.1 The Thought-Father realizes spirit expression in the Word-Son and attains reality expansion through Paradise in the far-flung material universes. The spiritual expressions of the Eternal Son are correlated with the material levels of creation by the functions of the Infinite Spirit, by whose spirit-responsive ministry of mind, and in whose physical-directive acts of mind, the spiritual realities of Deity and the material repercussions of Deity are correlated the one with the other. (638.6) 56:2.2 Mind is the functional endowment of the Infinite Spirit, therefore infinite in potential and universal in bestowal. The primal thought of the Universal Father eternalizes in dual expression: the Isle of Paradise and his Deity equal, the spiritual and Eternal Son. Such duality of eternal reality renders the mind God, the Infinite Spirit, inevitable. Mind is the indispensable channel of communication between spiritual and material realities. The material evolutionary creature can conceive and comprehend the indwelling spirit only by the ministry of mind. (638.7) 56:2.3 This infinite and universal mind is ministered in the universes of time and space as the cosmic mind; and though extending from the primitive ministry of the adjutant spirits up to the magnificent mind of the chief executive of a universe, even this cosmic mind is adequately unified in the supervision of the Seven Master Spirits, who are in turn co-ordinated with the Supreme Mind of time and space and perfectly correlated with the all-embracing mind of the Infinite Spirit. 3. Spiritual Unification (639.1) 56:3.1 As the universal mind gravity is centered in the Paradise personal presence of the Infinite Spirit, so does the universal spirit gravity center in the Paradise personal presence of the Eternal Son. The Universal Father is one, but to time-space he is revealed in the dual phenomena of pure energy and pure spirit. (639.2) 56:3.2 Paradise spirit realities are likewise one, but in all time-space situations and relations this single spirit is revealed in the dual phenomena of the spirit personalities and emanations of the Eternal Son and the spirit personalities and influences of the Infinite Spirit and associated creations; and there is yet a third — pure-spirit fragmentations — the Father’s bestowal of the Thought Adjusters and other spirit entities which are prepersonal. (639.3) 56:3.3 No matter on what level of universe activities you may encounter spiritual phenomena or contact with spirit beings, you may know that they are all derived from the God who is spirit by the ministry of the Spirit Son and the Infinite Mind Spirit. And this far-flung spirit functions as a phenomenon on the evolutionary worlds of time as it is directed from the headquarters of the local universes. From these capitals of the Creator Sons come the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth, together with the ministry of the adjutant mind-spirits, to the lower and evolving levels of material minds. (639.4) 56:3.4 While mind is more unified on the level of the Master Spirits in association with the Supreme Being and as the cosmic mind in subordination to the Absolute Mind, the spirit ministry to the evolving worlds is more directly unified in the personalities resident on the headquarters of the local universes and in the persons of the presiding Divine Ministers, who are in turn well-nigh perfectly correlated with the Paradise gravity circuit of the Eternal Son, wherein occurs final unification of all time-space spirit manifestations. (639.5) 56:3.5 Perfected creature existence can be attained, sustained, and eternalized by the fusion of self-conscious mind with a fragment of the pre-Trinity spirit endowment of some one of the persons of the Paradise Trinity. The mortal mind is the creation of the Sons and Daughters of the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit and, when fused with the Thought Adjuster from the Father, partakes of the threefold spirit endowment of the evolutionary realms. But these three spirit expressions become perfectly unified in the finaliters, even as they were in eternity so unified in the Universal I AM ere he ever became the Universal Father of the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit. (639.6) 56:3.6 Spirit must always and ultimately become threefold in expression and Trinity-unified in final realization. Spirit originates from one source through a threefold expression; and in finality it must and does attain its full realization in that divine unification which is experienced in finding God — oneness with divinity — in eternity, and by means of the ministry of the cosmic mind of the infinite expression of the eternal word of the Father’s universal thought. 4. Personality Unification (639.7) 56:4.1 The Universal Father is a divinely unified personality; hence will all his ascendant children who are carried to Paradise by the rebound momentum of the Thought Adjusters, who went forth from Paradise to indwell material mortals in obedience to the Father’s mandate, likewise be fully unified personalities ere they reach Havona. (640.1) 56:4.2 Personality inherently reaches out to unify all constituent realities. The infinite personality of the First Source and Center, the Universal Father, unifies all seven constituent Absolutes of Infinity; and the personality of mortal man, being an exclusive and direct bestowal of the Universal Father, likewise possesses the potential of unifying the constituent factors of the mortal creature. Such unifying creativity of all creature personality is a birthmark of its high and exclusive source and is further evidential of its unbroken contact with this same source through the personality circuit, by means of which the personality of the creature maintains direct and sustaining contact with the Father of all personality on Paradise. (640.2) 56:4.3 Notwithstanding that God is manifest from the domains of the Sevenfold up through supremacy and ultimacy to God the Absolute, the personality circuit, centering on Paradise and in the person of God the Father, provides for the complete and perfect unification of all these diverse expressions of divine personality so far as concerns all creature personalities on all levels of intelligent existence and in all the realms of the perfect, perfected, and perfecting universes. (640.3) 56:4.4 While God is to and in the universes all that we have portrayed, nevertheless, to you and to all other God-knowing creatures he is one, your Father and their Father. To personality God cannot be plural. God is Father to each of his creatures, and it is literally impossible for any child to have more than one father. (640.4) 56:4.5 Philosophically, cosmically, and with reference to differential levels and locations of manifestation, you may and perforce must conceive of the functioning of plural Deities and postulate the existence of plural Trinities; but in the worshipful experience of the personal contact of every worshiping personality throughout the master universe, God is one; and that unified and personal Deity is our Paradise parent, God the Father, the bestower, conservator, and Father of all personalities from mortal man on the inhabited worlds to the Eternal Son on the central Isle of Light. 5. Deity Unity (640.5) 56:5.1 The oneness, the indivisibility, of Paradise Deity is existential and absolute. There are three eternal personalizations of Deity — the Universal Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit — but in the Paradise Trinity they are actually one Deity, undivided and indivisible. (640.6) 56:5.2 From the original Paradise-Havona level of existential reality, two subabsolute levels have differentiated, and thereon have the Father, Son, and Spirit engaged in the creation of numerous personal associates and subordinates. And while it is inappropriate in this connection to undertake the consideration of absonite deity unification on transcendental levels of ultimacy, it is feasible to look at some features of the unifying function of the various Deity personalizations in whom divinity is functionally manifest to the diverse sectors of creation and to the different orders of intelligent beings. (640.7) 56:5.3 The present functioning of divinity in the superuniverses is actively manifest in the operations of the Supreme Creators — the local universe Creator Sons and Spirits, the superuniverse Ancients of Days, and the Seven Master Spirits of Paradise. These beings constitute the first three levels of God the Sevenfold leading inward to the Universal Father, and this entire domain of God the Sevenfold is co-ordinating on the first level of experiential deity in the evolving Supreme Being. (641.1) 56:5.4 On Paradise and in the central universe, Deity unity is a fact of existence. Throughout the evolving universes of time and space, Deity unity is an achievement. 6. Unification of Evolutionary Deity (641.2) 56:6.1 When the three eternal persons of Deity function as undivided Deity in the Paradise Trinity, they achieve perfect unity; likewise, when they create, either associatively or severally, their Paradise progeny exhibit the characteristic unity of divinity. And this divinity of purpose manifested by the Supreme Creators and Rulers of the time-space domains eventuates in the unifying power potential of the sovereignty of experiential supremacy which, in the presence of the impersonal energy unity of the universe, constitutes a reality tension that can be resolved only through adequate unification with the experiential personality realities of experiential Deity. (641.3) 56:6.2 The personality realities of the Supreme Being come forth from the Paradise Deities and on the pilot world of the outer Havona circuit unify with the power prerogatives of the Almighty Supreme coming up from the Creator divinities of the grand universe. God the Supreme as a person existed in Havona before the creation of the seven superuniverses, but he functioned only on spiritual levels. The evolution of the Almighty power of Supremacy by diverse divinity synthesis in the evolving universes eventuated in a new power presence of Deity which co-ordinated with the spiritual person of the Supreme in Havona by means of the Supreme Mind, which concomitantly translated from the potential resident in the infinite mind of the Infinite Spirit to the active functional mind of the Supreme Being. (641.4) 56:6.3 The material-minded creatures of the evolutionary worlds of the seven superuniverses can comprehend Deity unity only as it is evolving in this power-personality synthesis of the Supreme Being. On any level of existence God cannot exceed the conceptual capacity of the beings who live on such a level. Mortal man must, through the recognition of truth, the appreciation of beauty, and the worship of goodness, evolve the recognition of a God of love and then progress through ascending deity levels to the comprehension of the Supreme. Deity, having been thus grasped as unified in power, can then be personalized in spirit to creature understanding and attainment. (641.5) 56:6.4 While ascending mortals achieve power comprehension of the Almighty on the capitals of the superuniverses and personality comprehension of the Supreme on the outer circuits of Havona, they do not actually find the Supreme Being as they are destined to find the Paradise Deities. Even the finaliters, sixth-stage spirits, have not found the Supreme Being, nor are they likely to until they have achieved seventh-stage-spirit status, and until the Supreme has become actually functional in the activities of the future outer universes. (641.6) 56:6.5 But when ascenders find the Universal Father as the seventh level of God the Sevenfold, they have attained the personality of the First Person of all deity levels of personal relationships with universe creatures. 7. Universal Evolutionary Repercussions (642.1) 56:7.1 The steady progress of evolution in the time-space universes is accompanied by ever-enlarging revelations of Deity to all intelligent creatures. The attainment of the height of evolutionary progress on a world, in a system, constellation, universe, superuniverse, or in the grand universe signalizes corresponding enlargements of deity function to and in these progressive units of creation. And every such local enhancement of divinity realization is accompanied by certain well-defined repercussions of enlarged deity manifestation to all other sectors of creation. Extending outward from Paradise, each new domain of realized and attained evolution constitutes a new and enlarged revelation of experiential Deity to the universe of universes. (642.2) 56:7.2 As the components of a local universe are progressively settled in light and life, God the Sevenfold is increasingly made manifest. Time-space evolution begins on a planet with the first expression of God the Sevenfold — the Creator Son-Creative Spirit association — in control. With the settling of a system in light, this Son-Spirit liaison attains the fullness of function; and when an entire constellation is thus settled, the second phase of God the Sevenfold becomes more active throughout such a realm. The completed administrative evolution of a local universe is attended by new and more direct ministrations of the superuniverse Master Spirits; and at this point there also begins that ever-expanding revelation and realization of God the Supreme which culminates in the ascender’s comprehension of the Supreme Being while passing through the worlds of the sixth Havona circuit. (642.3) 56:7.3 The Universal Father, the Eternal Son, and the Infinite Spirit are existential deity manifestations to intelligent creatures and are not, therefore, similarly expanded in personality relations with the mind and spirit creatures of all creation. (642.4) 56:7.4 It should be noted that ascending mortals may experience the impersonal presence of successive levels of Deity long before they become sufficiently spiritual and adequately educated to attain experiential personal recognition of, and contact with, these Deities as personal beings. (642.5) 56:7.5 Each new evolutionary attainment within a sector of creation, as well as every new invasion of space by divinity manifestations, is attended by simultaneous expansions of Deity functional-revelation within the then existing and previously organized units of all creation. This new invasion of the administrative work of the universes and their component units may not always appear to be executed exactly in accordance with the technique herewith outlined because it is the practice to send forth advance groups of administrators to prepare the way for the subsequent and successive eras of new administrative overcontrol. Even God the Ultimate foreshadows his transcendental overcontrol of the universes during the later stages of a local universe settled in light and life. (642.6) 56:7.6 It is a fact that, as the creations of time and space are progressively settled in evolutionary status, there is observed a new and fuller functioning of God the Supreme concomitant with a corresponding withdrawing of the first three manifestations of God the Sevenfold. If and when the grand universe becomes settled in light and life, what then will be the future function of the Creator-Creative manifestations of God the Sevenfold if God the Supreme assumes direct control of these creations of time and space? Are these organizers and pioneers of the time-space universes to be liberated for similar activities in outer space? We do not know, but we speculate much concerning these and related matters. (643.1) 56:7.7 As the frontiers of experiential Deity are extended out into the domains of the Unqualified Absolute, we envision the activity of God the Sevenfold during the earlier evolutionary epochs of these creations of the future. We are not all in agreement respecting the future status of the Ancients of Days and the superuniverse Master Spirits. Neither do we know whether or not the Supreme Being will therein function as in the seven superuniverses. But we all conjecture that the Michaels, the Creator Sons, are destined to function in these outer universes. Some hold that the future ages will witness some closer form of union between the associated Creator Sons and Divine Ministers; it is even possible that such a creator union might eventuate in some new expression of associate-creator identity of an ultimate nature. But we really know nothing about these possibilities of the unrevealed future. (643.2) 56:7.8 We do know, however, that in the universes of time and space, God the Sevenfold provides a progressive approach to the Universal Father, and that this evolutionary approach is experientially unified in God the Supreme. We might conjecture that such a plan must prevail in the outer universes; on the other hand, the new orders of beings that may sometime inhabit these universes may be able to approach Deity on ultimate levels and by absonite techniques. In short, we have not the slightest concept of what technique of deity approach may become operative in the future universes of outer space.* (643.3) 56:7.9 Nevertheless, we deem that the perfected superuniverses will in some way become a part of the Paradise-ascension careers of those beings who may inhabit these outer creations. It is quite possible that in that future age we may witness outer-spacers approaching Havona through the seven superuniverses, administered by God the Supreme with or without the collaboration of the Seven Master Spirits. 8. The Supreme Unifier (643.4) 56:8.1 The Supreme Being has a threefold function in the experience of mortal man: First, he is the unifier of time-space divinity, God the Sevenfold; second, he is the maximum of Deity which finite creatures can actually comprehend; third, he is mortal man’s only avenue of approach to the transcendental experience of consorting with absonite mind, eternal spirit, and Paradise personality. (643.5) 56:8.2 Ascendant finaliters, having been born in the local universes, nurtured in the superuniverses, and trained in the central universe, embrace in their personal experiences the full potential of the comprehension of the time-space divinity of God the Sevenfold unifying in the Supreme. Finaliters serve successively in superuniverses other than those of nativity, thereby superimposing experience upon experience until the fullness of the sevenfold diversity of possible creature experience has been encompassed. Through the ministry of the indwelling Adjusters the finaliters are enabled to find the Universal Father, but it is by these techniques of experience that such finaliters come really to know the Supreme Being, and they are destined to the service and the revelation of this Supreme Deity in and to the future universes of outer space. (644.1) 56:8.3 Bear in mind, all that God the Father and his Paradise Sons do for us, we in turn and in spirit have the opportunity to do for and in the emerging Supreme Being. The experience of love, joy, and service in the universe is mutual. God the Father does not need that his sons should return to him all that he bestows upon them, but they do (or may) in turn bestow all of this upon their fellows and upon the evolving Supreme Being. (644.2) 56:8.4 All creational phenomena are reflective of antecedent creator-spirit activities. Said Jesus, and it is literally true, “The Son does only those things which he sees the Father do.” In time you mortals may begin the revelation of the Supreme to your fellows, and increasingly may you augment this revelation as you ascend Paradiseward. In eternity you may be permitted to make increasing revelations of this God of evolutionary creatures on supreme levels — even ultimate — as seventh-stage finaliters. 9. Universal Absolute Unity (644.3) 56:9.1 The Unqualified Absolute and the Deity Absolute are unified in the Universal Absolute. The Absolutes are co-ordinated in the Ultimate, conditioned in the Supreme, and time-space modified in God the Sevenfold. On subinfinite levels there are three Absolutes, but in infinity they appear to be one. On Paradise there are three personalizations of Deity, but in the Trinity they are one. (644.4) 56:9.2 The major philosophic proposition of the master universe is this: Did the Absolute (the three Absolutes as one in infinity) exist before the Trinity? and is the Absolute ancestral to the Trinity? or is the Trinity antecedent to the Absolute? (644.5) 56:9.3 Is the Unqualified Absolute a force presence independent of the Trinity? Does the presence of the Deity Absolute connote the unlimited function of the Trinity? and is the Universal Absolute the final function of the Trinity, even a Trinity of Trinities? (644.6) 56:9.4 On first thought, a concept of the Absolute as ancestor to all things — even the Trinity — seems to afford transitory satisfaction of consistency gratification and philosophic unification, but any such conclusion is invalidated by the actuality of the eternity of the Paradise Trinity. We are taught, and we believe, that the Universal Father and his Trinity associates are eternal in nature and existence. There is, then, but one consistent philosophic conclusion, and that is: The Absolute is, to all universe intelligences, the impersonal and co-ordinate reaction of the Trinity (of Trinities) to all basic and primary space situations, intrauniversal and extrauniversal. To all personality intelligences of the grand universe the Paradise Trinity forever stands in finality, eternity, supremacy, and ultimacy and, for all practical purposes of personal comprehension and creature realization, as absolute. (644.7) 56:9.5 As creature minds may view this problem, they are led to the final postulate of the Universal I AM as the primal cause and the unqualified source of both the Trinity and the Absolute. When, therefore, we crave to entertain a personal concept of the Absolute, we revert to our ideas and ideals of the Paradise Father. When we desire to facilitate comprehension or to augment consciousness of this otherwise impersonal Absolute, we revert to the fact that the Universal Father is the existential Father of absolute personality; the Eternal Son is the Absolute Person, though not, in the experiential sense, the personalization of the Absolute. And then we go on to envisage the experiential Trinities as culminating in the experiential personalization of the Deity Absolute, while conceiving the Universal Absolute as constituting the universe and the extrauniverse phenomena of the manifest presence of the impersonal activities of the unified and co-ordinated Deity associations of supremacy, ultimacy, and infinity — the Trinity of Trinities. (645.1) 56:9.6 God the Father is discernible on all levels from the finite to the infinite, and though his creatures from Paradise to the evolutionary worlds have variously perceived him, only the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit know him as an infinity. (645.2) 56:9.7 Spiritual personality is absolute only on Paradise, and the concept of the Absolute is unqualified only in infinity. Deity presence is absolute only on Paradise, and the revelation of God must always be partial, relative, and progressive until his power becomes experientially infinite in the space potency of the Unqualified Absolute, while his personality manifestation becomes experientially infinite in the manifest presence of the Deity Absolute, and while these two potentials of infinity become reality-unified in the Universal Absolute. (645.3) 56:9.8 But beyond subinfinite levels the three Absolutes are one, and thereby is infinity Deity-realized regardless of whether any other order of existence ever self-realizes consciousness of infinity. (645.4) 56:9.9 Existential status in eternity implies existential self-consciousness of infinity, even though another eternity may be required to experience self-realization of the experiential potentialities inherent in an infinity eternity — an eternal infinity. (645.5) 56:9.10 And God the Father is the personal source of all manifestations of Deity and reality to all intelligent creatures and spirit beings throughout all the universe of universes. As personalities, now or in the successive universe experiences of the eternal future, no matter if you achieve the attainment of God the Sevenfold, comprehend God the Supreme, find God the Ultimate, or attempt to grasp the concept of God the Absolute, you will discover to your eternal satisfaction that in the consummation of each adventure you have, on new experiential levels, rediscovered the eternal God — the Paradise Father of all universe personalities. (645.6) 56:9.11 The Universal Father is the explanation of universal unity as it must be supremely, even ultimately, realized in the postultimate unity of absolute values and meanings — unqualified Reality. (645.7) 56:9.12 The Master Force Organizers go out into space and mobilize its energies to become gravity responsive to the Paradise pull of the Universal Father; and subsequently there come the Creator Sons, who organize these gravity-responding forces into inhabited universes and therein evolve intelligent creatures who receive unto themselves the spirit of the Paradise Father and subsequently ascend to the Father to become like him in all possible divinity attributes. (645.8) 56:9.13 The ceaseless and expanding march of the Paradise creative forces through space seems to presage the ever-extending domain of the gravity grasp of the Universal Father and the never-ending multiplication of varied types of intelligent creatures who are able to love God and be loved by him, and who, by thus becoming God-knowing, may choose to be like him, may elect to attain Paradise and find God. (646.1) 56:9.14 The universe of universes is altogether unified. God is one in power and personality. There is co-ordination of all levels of energy and all phases of personality. Philosophically and experientially, in concept and in reality, all things and beings center in the Paradise Father. God is all and in all, and no things or beings exist without him. 10. Truth, Beauty, and Goodness (646.2) 56:10.1 As the worlds settled in life and light progress from the initial stage to the seventh epoch, they successively grasp for the realization of the reality of God the Sevenfold, ranging from the adoration of the Creator Son to the worship of his Paradise Father. Throughout the continuing seventh stage of such a world’s history the ever-progressing mortals grow in the knowledge of God the Supreme, while they vaguely discern the reality of the overshadowing ministry of God the Ultimate. (646.3) 56:10.2 Throughout this glorious age the chief pursuit of the ever-advancing mortals is the quest for a better understanding and a fuller realization of the comprehensible elements of Deity — truth, beauty, and goodness. This represents man’s effort to discern God in mind, matter, and spirit. And as the mortal pursues this quest, he finds himself increasingly absorbed in the experiential study of philosophy, cosmology, and divinity. (646.4) 56:10.3 Philosophy you somewhat grasp, and divinity you comprehend in worship, social service, and personal spiritual experience, but the pursuit of beauty — cosmology — you all too often limit to the study of man’s crude artistic endeavors. Beauty, art, is largely a matter of the unification of contrasts. Variety is essential to the concept of beauty. The supreme beauty, the height of finite art, is the drama of the unification of the vastness of the cosmic extremes of Creator and creature. Man finding God and God finding man — the creature becoming perfect as is the Creator — that is the supernal achievement of the supremely beautiful, the attainment of the apex of cosmic art. (646.5) 56:10.4 Hence materialism, atheism, is the maximation of ugliness, the climax of the finite antithesis of the beautiful. Highest beauty consists in the panorama of the unification of the variations which have been born of pre-existent harmonious reality. (646.6) 56:10.5 The attainment of cosmologic levels of thought includes: (646.7) 56:10.6 1. Curiosity. Hunger for harmony and thirst for beauty. Persistent attempts to discover new levels of harmonious cosmic relationshi
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