The Hearing – A Legal Podcast

Who protects women when the very systems that are supposed to protect them, like the police and the broader legal system, refuse to, or even worse, are causing the harm in the first place? This episode's guest has been fighting against the systemic challenges women face in securing justice for decades. And she has some extraordinary stories to tell. Join The Hearing host Yasmin Sheikh as she sits down with Harriet Wistrich, a human rights lawyer, founder of the Centre for Women's Justice (https://www.centreforwomensjustice.org.uk/), and author of "Sister in Law" (https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/455720/sister-in-law-by-wistrich-harriet/9781804995990). Dive into Harriet's compelling journey from activism to law, driven by her passion for women's rights and justice. Discover the groundbreaking cases she's championed, including the landmark Sally Challen case that reshaped the understanding of coercive control and the John Warboys case, which highlighted some of the headwinds women face when they do come forward to seek justice for crimes against them. In addition, she discusses astonishing undercover police operations that infiltrated activist groups, often using women as a means to an end. Wistrich weaves personal stories into a discussion about broader societal implications. This episode is a powerful exploration of systemic challenges and the relentless pursuit of justice. Don't miss this inspiring conversation - or Harriet's amazing book!

Most people would agree that lawyers and doctors should have professional licenses and oversight to protect the public from malpractice. But does the licensing system actually serve its intended purpose? In this episode, join host Janelle Wrigley for an insightful conversation with Professor Rebecca Haw Allensworth of Vanderbilt Law School, as she discusses her book, ‘The Licensing Racket: How We Decide Who Is Allowed to Work and Why It Goes Wrong'. Professor Allensworth delves into the complicated, and occasionally fraught, world of professional licensing, including in law and medicine, exploring how the licensing system affects workers and consumers alike. They discuss the unintended consequences of self-regulation, impacts on innovation, and ideas for reform. With real-world examples and thought-provoking insights, this episode sheds light on a topic that impacts our daily lives more than most of us might realize.

Those who could benefit most from the legal system are often those least able to access it. As this episode's guest, Stephen Kinsella, notes, "There are only so many cake stalls and jumble sales you can have in a local community, in order to raise funds to pay a lawyer." So that's where his organisation, Law for Change, steps in – as a Community Interest Company that helps provide financial backing and indemnities to cover legal costs for cases with significant societal impact. Join host Becky Annison as she and Stephen discuss the motivations that led him to set up Law for Change and how the organisation selects its cases to carry out its mission. With an eye toward cases that will benefit society, or that could establish or refine important legal principles, the organisation has assisted with cases across a broad spectrum, including on issues such as fracking and police misconduct. More broadly, Stephen talks about current challenges facing the UK legal system, including court backlogs and antiquated systems, and his concerns about a judicial system that relies on philanthropy to fill gaps. You can find out more about Law for Change here: https://www.lawforchange.uk

In this episode, Dan Nardello, the founder of top-tier investigative firm Nardello & Co., speaks with host Teneé Frazier about the evolving role of private investigations within the legal industry. They discuss the increasingly sophisticated nature of investigations, their essential role in complex litigation and dispute resolution, and the need for strict ethical adherence. Their conversation delves into the methodologies used in special investigations, from public records reviews to strategic interviews. It also explores the challenges of navigating different legal systems, particularly concerning privacy regulations in the UK and US. And Dan shares tips on exercising due diligence to mitigate risk when hiring a private investigation firm.

The world can feel hopelessly polarised at times, especially on topics such as racism and criminal justice. If your spirits need lifting, and if you need reassurance that respectful dialogue is possible, even if people disagree with each other, then this episode is for you. Abimbola Johnson, a barrister at London's Doughty Street Chambers, speaks with host Yasmin Sheikh about her work as chair of the Independent Scrutiny and Oversight Board, which addresses racism in policing. They discuss the importance of having challenging conversations in ways that maintain respect for differing viewpoints and Abimbola's hopes for the legacy of the Board's Police Race Action Plan (https://www.npcc.police.uk/our-work/police-race-action-plan/) as it enters its final year.

In a recent survey, 79% of legal professionals said they felt the profession had negatively affected their mental health. And over 15% had even considered suicide. These are two of the worrying statistics we learned from this episode's guest, Kent Halkett. Kent is an attorney with the Tennessee Alliance for Legal Services who has written articles about mental health in the legal community for a host of publications. Kent chats with host Teneé Frazier about his journey to becoming an advocate for improving mental health within the legal profession. Kent shares the story of his own mental health challenges, which culminated with him attempting suicide. He explains how publishing his story catapulted him, and this often-taboo subject, into the spotlight. During their conversation, Kent describes some of the warning signs of mental health issues, stresses the importance of a work-life balance, and outlines the support available for those in need. Kent also shares insights on how the problem could be addressed, such as by increasing awareness through better education – both in law schools and as part of continuous professional development. You can find out more about the ALM and Law.com Compass mental health survey of the legal profession here: https://www.law.com/americanlawyer/2024/05/17/mental-health-by-the-numbers-the-2024-survey-infographic/?slreturn=20250123165408 You can read one of Kent's articles, Mental Health in the Legal Profession: A Crisis, a Case Study and a Call to Action, here: https://www.tba.org/?pg=Articles&blAction=showEntry&blogEntry=59057

We are leaving future generations to face more challenges than ever. Yet it can be incredibly difficult for governments to act for the long term when so many of their incentives encourage short-term thinking. In this episode, host Becky Annison chats with Derek Walker, the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales, about how Wales is attempting to solve this problem. Derek explains why Wales passed the Well-being of Future Generations Act, how this pioneering legislation obliges the Welsh government to act for the long term, and whether other nations can follow this example.

Native Americans are fighting for their legal rights across many important fronts in the US. In this episode, Janelle Wrigley speaks with Matthew Campbell, Deputy Director of the Native American Rights Fund, about NARF's legal and advocacy work. Matthew and Janelle's wide-ranging discussion covers issues such as voting rights, the protection of places that are sacred to tribal nations, and access to natural resources. They also discuss the sovereignty of tribal nations, their relationship with the US government, and the challenges of ensuring access to voting.

"The legal profession is going through significant transformation, and I thought that was a wonderful thing to try and grab with both hands and see what role or part I could play in making that a success," shares this week's guest, Lucie Allen. For this episode, Lucie Allen, the managing director of the legal education platform BARBRI, sits down with host Yasmin to offer her unique insights on the evolving landscape of legal career development and her experiences on becoming a voice in the industry. They discuss challenges posed by the new legal qualification standards (the SQE), vulnerable conversations started by sharing on social media, and the growing need for legal professionals to cultivate skills like resilience, adaptability, and effective communication to thrive in a rapidly changing industry. They also discuss Lucie's unplanned venture into the role of menopause warrior. Listen to Yasmin's conversation with Lucie for more on this topic and on the evolution of the legal professional's development path and her personal journey.

"From 1910 to 1997, Black Americans have lost 90 percent of farmland to heir property. The Department of Agriculture has deemed it the worst problem that you've never heard of." These are just two of the staggering facts we've learned about heir property from writer and author Terah Shelton Harris. Terah chats with new host Tenee' Frazier about her recent novel, Long After We Are Gone. It's about a family trying to save their ancestral land from being taken from them – shining a light on the damaging effects of heir property. She explains what heir property is, the detrimental effects it has on property ownership in African American communities, and the steps heirs should take to avoid land loss. Terah also shares her journey to becoming an author and the life events that helped shape her writing style.

"Mind your privilege, give not away your right!" With those words, William Penn urged the jurors in his 1670 religious freedom trial to remember the power and the responsibility of their role in the English judicial system. For this episode, we return to the topic of jury nullification – the power of juries to acquit despite evidence of the defendant's guilt – with a fresh take from the UK. Professor Richard Vogler of the University of Sussex chats with host Becky Annison about the role of jury nullification, going all the way back to William Penn's trial in the 17th century up to its relevance in climate change cases of today. They discuss why legal institutions began viewing juries with more suspicion from the 1970s, and why it's more important than ever to defend the jury's place within our legal system – including its power to nullify convictions. For more on this topic, listen to Janelle Wrigley's conversation with Glenn Reynolds, from the University of Tennessee, about jury nullification in the US (ep.159) – https://pod.fo/e/269d1a.

Content warning: This episode discusses sexual violence, domestic violence, and criminalized survivorship. If you or anyone you know needs help, please safely contact one of the organizations in our show notes. To mark Domestic Violence Awareness Month, Jenn sits down with Garrard Beeney to discuss his pro bono representation of Nicole "Nikki" Addimando and the issue of criminalized survivorship. Garrard shares Nikki's story, which includes enduring years of repeated physical and sexual abuse by her domestic partner, Christopher Grover, who was also the father of her two young children. Events led to her fatally shooting him. But, as Garrard explains, "the abuse that Nikki suffered at the hands of Grover was then repeated in the criminal justice system." Garrard reveals how and why he and his firm got involved with Nikki's appeal. You'll hear about the legal arguments and uphill battle to free Nikki, culminating in the appellate court's rejection of the trial court's "antiquated impressions of how domestic violence survivors should behave." SHOW NOTES: US National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-7233 or www.thehotline.org UK National Domestic Abuse Helpline: 0808 2000 247 or www.nationaldahelpline.org.uk Sanctuary for Families: www.sanctuaryforfamilies.org We Stand With Nikki: www.westandwithnikki.com

In this episode, Yasmin Sheikh interviews Bibi Badejo – a family law barrister at Four Brick Court chambers, in London, and an advocacy coach. Bibi recounts her journey into law and how she pursued advocacy despite an initial fear of public speaking and a hefty dose of imposter syndrome. These challenges early in her career motivated Bibi to improve her skills through extensive training in the UK, the US and Australia. And she is now an accomplished advocacy coach in her own right, as well the founder and host of The Advocacy Podcast. This episode is rich with insights and practical tips for anyone interested improving their public speaking. Yasmin and Bibi also discuss the value of mentors and coaches, the emotional challenges of family law, and the evolving legal landscape – especially in addressing domestic abuse. You can listen to The Advocacy Podcast here: https://podfollow.com/1547600021

Imagine you are a juror in a criminal trial. The evidence is overwhelming that the defendant is guilty. But you can't shake the feeling that it would be unjust to convict. Maybe you don't believe what the defendant did should be treated as a crime. Or maybe you simply believe the defendant deserves mercy. Can you vote to acquit, or must you vote according to the evidence? It turns out that, in the US and the UK, jurors do have the power to acquit, even if they believe a defendant committed the charged crime. This is known as jury nullification. In this episode, host Janelle Wrigley chats with Professor Glenn Reynolds from the University of Tennessee College of Law. They discuss the history of jury nullification in the US, the role of the jury, and the debate on whether jurors should be told they have the power to nullify if they believe a conviction would be unjust.

In the UK you'll find spectacular beaches and rivers, a nation of wild swimmers and water lovers… and a big pollution problem! Untreated sewage, chemicals and plastic waste are creating a worsening toxic soup. Surfers Against Sewage (https://www.sas.org.uk) has been fighting back for over 30 years – through public campaigns, education programmes and, more recently, an app that lets you check the health status of your favourite swim, surf or sail spot. In this episode, Becky Annison chats to Surfers Against Sewage CEO (and former lawyer) Giles Bristow about the environmental crisis affecting our beaches, rivers, lakes and ponds. The pair also discuss the need for accountability by polluters and water companies, the charity's goals and how it all began.

Following the recent release of the 12th Edition of Black's Law Dictionary, The Hearing is privileged to welcome its Editor-in-Chief, Bryan Garner, to the show. And to be honest, we're a bit nervous to write this description of our conversation with this esteemed grammarian, lexicographer, and lawyer! You don't hear about fourth graders naming "shan't" as a contraction or teenagers amassing a large vocabulary to impress potential dates. And we don't know about you, but we were too busy staying afloat the first week of law school to begin working on a legal dictionary – and still too busy during our clerkship to see it through to publication. But none of us is Bryan Garner. Bryan chats with Jennifer about his long-time love of linguistics and the obstacles he overcame – from unsupportive professors, uninterested publishers, uncongenial colleagues, and scarce funds – to pursue his passion and strike out on his own. Bryan also pulls back the curtain on the process of editing and updating Black's – and invites you to be a part of it! To learn more about Bryan Garner, visit https://lawprose.org/bryan-garner/.

At 15 years old, Shaun Wallace was told that he would most likely end up in prison. Instead, he became a barrister and a TV personality famous for his knowledge mastery – first as a champion of the BBC quiz show Mastermind, and since 2009 as one of the chasers (professional quizzers) on UK television show The Chase. In this episode, Shaun chats with Yasmin Sheikh about how his love of law, learning, and football led to a career in law and on television, and the setbacks he has overcome along the way.

This episode explores the heart-wrenching subject of youth justice. Guest Aika Stephenson is the founder of Just For Kids Law, a UK charity that represents and advocates for children in contact with the criminal justice system. She's also the author of In Their Defence: Fighting for Youth Justice One Child at a Time (https://www.mombooks.com/book/in-their-defence/). Join host Janelle as she chats with Aika about the extraordinary cases she's dealt with in her career and how her own background led her to become an advocate for children. Aika provides eye-opening insight on the failures that she has witnessed in the legal system, from the police station to the courtroom, and the impact this has on children and young people. If you're interested to hear more about youth justice advocacy, check out episode 22 with Aika's colleague Shauneen Lambe: [https://pod.fo/e/1a42f]

In this episode, we dive into the philosophical depths of the legal profession – exploring some of the assumptions underpinning Western legal thought and the implications of such assumptions. So nothing we can't handle. Join host Becky Annison as she talks to Ryan James and Zaneta Sedilekova, the founders of (re)purpose law – a personal development course for lawyers. The trio discuss how legal practices could be harmonised to help tackle the multifaceted crises facing the modern world, and they unravel the mechanistic and anthropocentric mindsets that have long influenced our legal systems. Prepare to learn about the concept of "two-eyed seeing" – which marries Western and Indigenous ways of knowing to forge a path forward that is both holistic and interconnected. As we navigate the complexities of climate and biodiversity risks, The Hearing offers a platform for innovative concepts that aim for a more socially and ecologically just future. This episode might challenge your perspectives and perhaps help guide us all towards a more equitable and sustainable legal landscape.

In the US, June is no longer just June – it is also National Gun Violence Awareness Month. To that end, this episode delves into one of the most pressing issues facing the US today: school shootings. Lauren sits down with Stuart Grossman and Alex Arteaga-Gomez, two attorneys at the forefront of US legal efforts to help curb gun violence in schools, to discuss their work on the deadliest mass shooting at a high school in US history – the Parkland shooting. Lauren also chats with Stuart and Alex about the unique aspects of their work, including the sensitivity and understanding of human psychology required, and why litigating cases stemming from tragedy isn't for every lawyer.

Over decades, hundreds of Post Office employees in the UK were wrongly prosecuted for crimes such as fraud and theft due to accounting errors resulting from faulty software. Many lives were devastated by the false accusations. This week, Yasmin speaks to Neil Hudgell, the Executive Chairman of Hudgell Solicitors, a firm representing many of the claimants in the post office scandal, about the case and his experiences representing individuals who have been through tragic events. Find out more about The Hearing and other Thomson Reuters podcasts at tr.com/thehearing

Picture this: a young boy enters a computer programming project in his school science fair. It's so sophisticated that his teacher mistakenly assumes a parent must have helped – and awards him last place. The boy then grows up to become CEO of a legal technology company worth $650 million. That story belongs to Jake Heller, Head of CoCounsel – a revolutionary generative AI product for lawyers. In this episode, Jenn and Lauren sit down with their colleague Jake to chat about his journey from coding to law school to founding Casetext, where Jake envisioned making legal research as easy as finding movie times online. And, through the powers of AI, determination, and teamwork, his vision eventually became a reality. Jake also gets candid about family life and what it's like to have his own "co-counsel" at home – four children under the age of 5 – with his high school sweetheart. To learn more about CoCounsel, visit https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en/artificial-intelligence.

Governments around the world are grappling with how to regulate AI on issues ranging from copyright protections to ethical standards, competition rules and beyond.  In this episode, host Becky Annison explores AI governance issues with Lord Tim Clement-Jones CBE, member of the UK House of Lords and former chair of its Artificial Intelligence Select Committee. The pair discuss the challenges of balancing enthusiasm for a new technology with the need to manage its risks. They also chat about areas where AI developers need to be more transparent regarding the construction of their models, and global efforts to set commonly accepted governance standards for AI. Find out more about The Hearing and other Thomson Reuters podcasts at tr.com/thehearing

Salt and pepper. Fish and chips. The sun and the moon. Law and innovation? Ok, maybe those last two haven't traditionally been a natural pair. But the legal world is changing like never before. What skills should lawyers develop to excel with new technologies? How can lawyers interested in tech get more involved in that field? This episode's guest, Joe Green, Chief Innovation Officer at Gunderson Dettmer, speaks to host Janelle Wrigley about these questions, how he pivoted his career from corporate lawyer to legal tech changemaker, and much more.

For lawyers who are disabled or neurodivergent, finding role models and support in the legal profession is a huge challenge. After becoming disabled eight years ago – and grappling with how to navigate her health and her work as a lawyer – Reena Parmar set out to address that problem. Now Chair of the Disabled Solicitors Network (DSN) at the Law Society of England and Wales, Reena chats with host Yasmin Sheikh about the initiatives underway at the DSN to promote disability inclusion and to support legal professionals looking for guidance or mentorship.

In this episode, Lauren sits down with Alan Barinholtz, lawyer and star of the hit TV series Jury Duty. Though Alan spent most of his life as a litigator and arbitrator, he dreamed of being an actor. After 40+ years as a lawyer (and, as he puts it, being patient and rehearsing for close to 50 years), Alan's dream came true when he landed the role of Judge Alan Rosen on Jury Duty. The Amazon show went on to earn an Emmy nomination and won the 2024 Film Independent Spirit Award for Best Ensemble Cast in a New Scripted Series, in no small part thanks to Alan's talented acting. Lauren and Alan chat about Alan's journey from lawyer to actor, including how he leaned on his legal experience to play a judge on TV. Alan also reveals the advice he got from his sons, Hollywood stars Ike and Jon Barinholtz, and shares an inspiring message for anyone else considering a career change. Find out more about Jury Duty here: https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/realism-or-ridicule-what-jury-duty-show-says-about-system-2023-05-10/

THE CROSS-EXAMINATION – Lawyers who are concerned about climate change increasingly want to see environmental values reflected in their practice. It can be difficult to advocate for change, especially for early career lawyers and those who feel that climate law is outside their expertise. But it turns out you don't have to be an environmental litigator or a managing partner to make a difference. In this episode, Becky speaks with two activists leading organisations that help provide lawyers and law students with tools to make a difference on climate change within the legal profession. Haley Czarnek, from Law Students for Climate Accountability (LSCA), and Ming Zee Tee, from Legal Voices for the Future (LVF), both believe that any lawyer has the skills and leverage to have a positive impact on the climate. Haley and Ming Zee discuss their views on the growing need to incorporate climate change issues into law school curriculums, the ethical duties of law firms in representing fossil fuel companies, the most exciting developments taking place in climate law, and the practical things those concerned about the environment can do to make a difference, no matter what your practice or stage of career. Guests:– Haley Czarnek, National Director, LSCA https://www.ls4ca.org – Ming Zee Tee, Chair, LVF https://www.lawsociety.org.uk/topics/climate-change/legal-voices-for-the-future

In this episode, Jennifer sits down with Michele Meyer-Shipp, the Chief Executive Officer of Dress for Success Worldwide. Dress for Success (https://dressforsuccess.org) is a global not-for-profit organization operating in 22 countries.Michele tells us about the organization's mission – helping women achieve economic independence and, as she explains, dress women "from the inside out" by providing professional attire and development opportunities. Michele also shares what it's like being the CEO responsible for affiliates across the globe. Jennifer and Michele discuss her path to Dress for Success – from private practice to the public sector, to in-house counsel to Chief Diversity Officer, and to become the highest-ranking woman in Major League Baseball. Along the way, Michele shares practical and meaningful career advice for lawyers – be a lifelong learner and find work that brings you joy(!) – that makes it easy to see why she's been successful every step of the way.

THE CROSS-EXAMINATION – In today's culture, people are used to expressing their views on social media and entering into often polarised debates on potentially emotive issues. Amid the ethos of "bringing your whole self" to work, we have seen this outspokenness permeate into the workplace. There can be a range of differing views which can result in conflicts between employees and challenges for employers to manage. Employees have the right to hold and express certain protected beliefs, but how should an employer balance these conflicting protected rights and ensure they don't result in discrimination or harassment? Can an employer limit freedom of speech in the workplace, and also in the provision of services? What counts as a proportionate response, and are zero-tolerance policies achievable? These are some of the questions tackled in this episode. Hosts:– Elanne Pimstone, Director, Practical Law Employment– Sophie McGuinness, Senior Specialist Legal Editor, Practical Law EmploymentGuests:– Sarah Gilzean, Partner, Morton Fraser MacRoberts– Darren Newman, independent consultant, writer and trainer on employment law– Elizabeth McGlone, Partner, didlaw

This episode's guest is Fiona Rutherford, the Chief Executive of Justice, a UK law reform and human rights charity. Justice strives for a fair, accessible, and equal justice system and is also the UK section of the International Commission of Jurists. Fiona chats to Yasmin about a landmark report the charity recently published addressing the erosion of the rule of law in the UK, which you can access here: https://justice.org.uk/the-uks-longstanding-commitment-to-the-rule-of-law-is-under-grave-threat-according-to-landmark-report-from-justice/. The pair also discuss what it really means to live under the rule of law and have access to justice, Fiona's career journey from barrister to policy and advocacy work, and a particular case that deeply impacted Fiona and motivates her work in helping to make our justice system more humane.

"Show up. Speak up. Woman up." This is the motto of Mirna Santiago, a lawyer, DEI expert, and nonprofit founder and CEO. Through the many roles Mirna has held during her career, which has also included law firm partner and chair of the New York State Bar Association's Committee on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, Mirna epitomizes someone who walks her talk. In this episode, Jenn and Lauren chat with Mirna about her commitment to busting bias as a Black Hispanic woman who was born in another country and now exists in places where, as she puts it, you don't typically find women in her skin. Mirna, a phenomenal storyteller and engaging presenter, also explains how her dad influenced her decision to go to law school and how she came up with her motto after watching her mom never say yes. They also chat about Mirna's pipeline nonprofit organization, Girls Rule the Law (girlsrulethelaw.org), which introduces underrepresented middle and high school girls to the legal field. If you enjoy listening to The Hearing, please follow the podcast and leave a 5-star review. This helps like-minded people find the podcast, and helps us ensure we can continue to bring you interesting guests and content.

This episode's guest pulls off the impossible: he'll make you wonder if maybe you should have been a tax lawyer.  Dan Neidle is described by some as “possibly the UK's leading tax lawyer”. After spending 25 years at Clifford Chance, including as their UK head of tax, he set-up Tax Policy Associates – a not-for-profit company aiming to improve tax and legal policy and educate the public. Dan chats with Becky Annison about the fascinating and complicated puzzles he enjoyed solving for clients in practice, why he chose to retire (while still in his 40s) to focus on public policy and advocacy, and why tax law is far more interesting and important than you might think.

In this episode, Lauren sits down with billionaire philanthropist and former lawyer Laura Arnold, co-founder of Arnold Ventures. Arnold Ventures has spent over $2.5 billion (USD) on more than 3,200 projects in many areas of need, like criminal justice reform, healthcare, democracy and contraceptives, to name a few. The organization, which in part seeks to change laws, was founded on the belief that bipartisan policy is the most sustainable change you can make as a philanthropist. Laura and Lauren talk about what makes Arnold Ventures unique in the philanthropic world, including its structure and its evidence-based approach to philanthropy, as well as how Laura and her husband John began their journey as world-renowned philanthropists. For more about Arnold Ventures, see https://www.arnoldventures.org/.

Modern families come in all sizes and configurations – and often the law is playing catch-up with the issues raised by contemporary family relationships. In this episode, Linzi Bull, partner at Penningtons Manches Cooper, chats with host Yasmin Sheikh about her modern family legal practice. They focus in particular on the complex legal and ethical issues that surround surrogacy law in the UK, the emotional connections involved in representing families, and the gaps in the law surrounding polyamorous family units. (Please note: The UK government announced on 8 November 2023 that the Law Commission proposals on surrogacy, which Linzi and Yasmin discuss, will not “be taken forward at the moment.” (https://lawcom.gov.uk/project/surrogacy/)

What does a 20-year legal career in American football look like? How does a lawyer rise through the ranks to become Chief Legal Officer for a team? And what is it like for a female lawyer to achieve this in a male-dominated arena? In this episode, Jennifer sits down with Hannah Gordon, Senior Advisor to the President of the San Francisco 49ers, to find out the answer to these questions – and more. Jennifer and Hannah chat about the intentionality in Hannah's career, including her decision to pause and pivot following the birth of her second child, the importance of networking, and what lawyers can learn from professional athletes. Hannah also shares the motivation for her book, SZN of Change, and explains why lawyers should prioritize joy. Enjoy this conversation with one of (American) football's most influential women, according to https://www.nfl.com

How many of us would have the courage to blow up our careers and get back onto the path we dreamed of in law school? Jolyon Maugham KC, founder and executive director of the Good Law Project, did just that.  Good Law Project (https://goodlawproject.org) is a publicly-funded not-for-profit organisation, based in the UK, that uses the law to campaign “for a better world”.  Jo speaks with host Becky Annison about his transition from successful tax lawyer to outspoken public interest advocate. They talk about the ethical obligations of lawyers in choosing their clients, Jo's motivations in writing his new book Bringing Down Goliath, and how the Good Law Project chooses its cases to achieve maximum impact. Find out more at tr.com/TheHearing

This episode's guest is Bret Parker – Executive Director of the New York City Bar Association and a man who epitomizes making lemons out of lemonade. Bret's diagnosis of Parkinson's at age 38 inspired him to live by the motto “Do epic sh*t.” So far, this has included skydiving, a triathlon, and running 7 marathons in 7 days on 7 continents – all while battling the disease's symptoms. Lauren sat down with Bret to talk about his diagnosis and journey since. They also discuss what the legal industry could do to help accommodate those with physical and cognitive challenges. To learn more about Bret's story and how you can help support Parkinson's research, click here: https://give.michaeljfox.org/4448

In this episode, Yasmin sits down with Lubna Shuja – the outgoing President of the Law Society of England and Wales. Lubna is the first Asian, first Muslim and only the seventh female President in the Law Society's nearly 200-year history. The pair reflect on Lubna's term as President – what she's achieved, what her typical working days have been like (hint: long!), and why she never gets tired of talking about diversity and inclusion. They also discuss the importance of making mistakes, and what Lubna has learned by having one-on-one conversations directly with Law Society members. Find out more at tr.com/TheHearing

One day you're a partner at a small US law firm, where you typically defend medical malpractice actions and have tried a few cases. The next, you're working on a trial that's being livestreamed around the world – and your client is Gwyneth Paltrow. Plus, you've gone viral because the internet is calling you the “Superman lawyer” due to your likeness to Clark Kent. That's exactly what happened to our next guest, James Egan.  Jennifer sits down with James to hear about his experience with the Paltrow ski accident trial and much more. They discuss his hesitant road to litigation after doing legal work in India and at an innocence project.  James shares his intentionality in joining a small firm and explains why making the time for the things he loves (he's also a father and an accomplished musician) makes him a better lawyer. The internet may know James as Superman, but we think Superdad is a fitting moniker too. Prepare to be inspired! If you want to hear more about representing celebrities, check out Lauren's interview with Camille Vasquez in episode 123: https://pod.fo/e/181d56

Fasten your seatbelts – technological advances in legal work are about to hit warp speed, thanks to the possibilities unlocked by artificial intelligence and large language models. This episode's guest, Ideshini Naidoo was, until very recently, Head of Engineering, Legal Workflow, at Thomson Reuters. Just before Ideshini left the company to pursue new challenges, she sat down with Becky Annison to discuss the changes that are coming. Ideshini offers her views on making it easier for lawyers to adopt and use new technologies, why the combination of AI and expert content is so powerful, and how legal tech can help improve access to justice. This is Becky's second episode focusing on AI, ChatGPT and the legal profession. If you missed the first, you can listen to that episode here: https://pod.fo/e/186180

TWLL TAKEOVER – Cue the fireworks: it's the grand finale of our TWLL Takeover mini-series, and our closing guest is suitably dazzling. Rashida La Lande, Global General Counsel of the Kraft Heinz Company, joins host Janelle Wrigley to chat about her stellar career, from M&A partner at a global law firm to general counsel of one of the most recognizable brands in the world. Rashida spills the beans on the rewards and challenges of overseeing a global legal team across 130 countries, offers advice to junior lawyers on how to stand out from the crowd, and explains why she's optimistic about the future of the legal profession for women and people of color. Rashida left us feeling empowered, awe-struck… and a little peckish (listen to the end of the episode to find out why). As the curtain falls on this series of the TWLL Takeover, we hope you are feeling empowered too. You can learn more about TWLL (Transforming Women's Leadership in the Law) here: https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.co.uk/blog/transforming-womens-leadership-law/

Meditation. Gratitude. Exercise. Successful lawyering. At first glance, one of these may seem out of place. But for this episode's guest, Jeff Bast, these are all inextricably tied together. As co-founder of the Miami law firm Bast Amron, Jeff is no stranger to the stresses of being a managing partner. Yet, as you'll hear, Jeff has known something for a while now that the greater legal profession has taken longer to figure out: in order to really do our jobs well, we need to take charge of our mental and physical well-being. Among other things, Lauren chats with Jeff about the connection between good lawyering and wellness, work-life harmony (not balance, as Jeff explains!), his views on the importance of in-office work and separating office and home life, and Jeff's passion for being vegan.

TWLL TAKEOVER – Call him a leader. Call him a mentor. Call him a supporter of human beings everywhere. Just don't call him an ally! Find out why Barry Matthews, Group Deputy General Counsel at Pennon Group and founder of the Social Mobility Business Partnership (https://smbp.org.uk), dislikes that term, as he chats with host Janelle Wrigley about supporting women leaders and breaking down silos in the legal industry. If Barry's name sounds familiar, that's because he was a guest way back – on episode 15 (https://pod.fo/e/149f8e). We don't often have return guests, so you know that when we do, there's good reason for it. Barry offers plenty of humour and plenty to think about, in addition to having an inspiring career journey of his own.

We feel honoured to have spent time in the presence of a true great for this week's episode: Margaret Owen OBE. She's a human rights barrister specialising in women's rights, with a career spanning decades and a passion for justice that won't stop. Margaret and Yasmin talk about the start of her career – the things that have and sadly haven't changed – how her practice evolved and how her family history influences the work she's still doing today, including for the charity she's founded: Widows for Peace Through Democracy (https://www.widowsforpeace.org). At The Hearing HQ, we speak to cool and inspirational guests all the time and we love it. It's easy to talk up our guests, so you're welcome to take this with a pinch of salt (but you really really shouldn't): Margaret Owen is a one-of-a-kind lawyer and everyone can learn something from her attitude to life and work. Enjoy!

TWLL TAKEOVER – Intellectual property lawyer, indigenous person, law firm leader, mother, and advocate. This week's guest on the TWLL Takeover, Makalika Naholowa'a, speaks with host Janelle Wrigley about navigating the highest levels of the legal profession while representing all these identities and roles. Charting her career journey from IP lawyer in a global tech firm to her current roles as executive director of the Native Hawaiian Legal Corporation and President of the National Native American Bar Association, Makalika shows how diverse experience is critical to being a true leader in law. She also shares her ideas on how we can help ease the burden that people from underrepresented communities face within the legal industry. Don't miss the end of this episode, where Makalika describes a moving vision of what a truly inclusive legal profession could be, drawing on the lessons of the Native Hawaiian community.

Warning: this episode deals with adult themes. Imagine discovering after a break-up that your significant other took nude photos of you without your knowledge. Your ex, who lives abroad, repeatedly threatens to publish the photos on the internet. And, when they finally make good on that promise, they also share the website with your family, friends, and business contacts. You are a victim of revenge pornography. This is what happened to Emmy Award winning journalist and former television news anchor, Darieth Chisolm. In this episode, Darieth talks to Jennifer about how she overcame feelings of devastation and shame to navigate the legal system in two countries so she could get the photos taken down and bring her ex to justice. Darieth shares her journey and the decision behind breaking her own story, which led to her founding the global social justice movement 50 Shades of Silence (https://50shadesofsilence.com). Its mission: to shine a light on revenge porn, give a voice to victims, and offer help to anyone affected by cyber harassment. Hear how Darieth has turned her "mess into her message" and how her healing journey has become her life's work. For more analysis of the issues raised in this episode, listen to episode 83: Image-based sexual abuse and the law (https://pod.fo/e/ebe28).

TWLL TAKEOVER – Many lawyers love the challenge of the job but reach a point where the long hours of law firm life become untenable – often, after starting families. But what's the solution? In our second episode of the TWLL Takeover, host Janelle Wrigley chats with Florence Brocklesby, who solved that problem with creativity and courage in starting her law firm Bellevue Law. Florence has shown that top-tier legal work can flourish within a flexible working environment that truly supports working parents. How did she do it? Can Big Law follow that model? Listen and find out! You can learn more about TWLL (Transforming Women's Leadership in the Law) here: https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.co.uk/blog/transforming-womens-leadership-law/

TWLL TAKEOVER – Welcome to the TWLL Takeover of The Hearing! We've joined forces with Transforming Women's Leadership in the Law (TWLL) to bring you this special mini-series focusing on issues of women's leadership, the stories of inspiring leaders, and the things we can all do to make the legal profession a better place for women – and for everyone. Our first guest, Susan Crumiller, is the ultimate leader to kick off this series: a passionate advocate for change as the founder of feminist litigation firm Crumiller. Susan talks us through her personal journey – from spiky-haired teenage wrestler, to starting her own law firm when she faced mistreatment at work after having her second child. Along the way, she shines a light on what it looks like to use your own privilege to advocate for others. Best of all, Susan spoke to us on the heels of a huge win in a race and sex discrimination trial with an all-woman trial team (you can read more about that here: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/26/nyregion/equinox-settlement-discrimination.html) – but also reminds us that there's still plenty of work to be done. We'd love to hear from you! Drop us a line at thehearing@tr.com to tell us your thoughts on the TWLL Takeover, to share your ideas for guests and topics, or just to say hi. You can find out more about TWLL here: https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.co.uk/blog/transforming-womens-leadership-law/

ChatGPT is probabilistic and not deterministic, which has important implications for how lawyers might use it. Did you understand that sentence? If not, you will after listening to this episode. How does the tech that's launched a thousand think-pieces actually work? Should we be excited about the opportunities that large language models offer or scared of a robot revolution? Whatever your questions or concerns, this episode's guest, Daniel Hoadley – Mishcon de Reya's Head of Data Science & Analytics – has the answers. And apparently, yes – we should be a little worried about a potential robot revolution! Daniel speaks with host Becky Annison and explains things ChatGPT, large language models and AI. They discuss the upsides and the risks, including how these technologies might impact the work that lawyers do. Find out more at tr.com/TheHearing

When lawyers represent celebrities, they don't typically become celebs themselves. But that's what happened to Camille Vasquez, who represented Johnny Depp in his defamation trial against Amber Heard. In this episode, Lauren sits down with Camille, who rose to fame in no small part because of the way she commanded the courtroom in Depp v. Heard, all while the world watched. As you'd expect, the Depp trial, and the many serious issues it raised, are discussed – including gender roles, cancel culture, the court of public opinion, and the importance of teamwork. Camille and Lauren also chat about Camille's life after the Depp trial – including making partner at Brown Rudnick, representing other high-profile clients, and working as a legal correspondent for NBC. Camille's passion for her work, including being in the courtroom, really shines in this episode – leaving no doubt that she's a star in her own right. We'd love to hear from you! So drop us a line at thehearing@tr.com to say hello, or to share your ideas for future guests and topics. Find out more at tr.com/TheHearing

If we were to suggest “blending your personal and professional life, to bring your whole self to work”, how would that make you feel? Perhaps that sentiment aligns perfectly with how you approach your career too. Or maybe it makes you feel like stuffing carrots in your ears to avoid yet more corporate speak. Whatever your reaction, listen up! Yasmin's next guest – Victoria Lewis, CEO of byrne·dean – is about to put you through your paces. Victoria explains to Yasmin exactly why this attitude means so much to her, and her clients, and why it makes byrne·dean such a popular place to work. Trigger warning: Victoria and Yasmin discuss child loss. Find out more at tr.com/TheHearing