Podcast appearances and mentions of jen schwanke

This week on Monday Matters, Jen Schwanke and Will Parker discuss a post written by Will. Check out the post below and listen in to hear their thoughts on it! Random Moments, Major Outcomes by Will Parker I recently listened to an insightful episode of Hidden Brain that really provoked my thinking.  In the interview, […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Random Moments, Major Outcomes appeared first on Principal Matters.

This week on Monday Matters, Jen Schwanke and I discuss happiness among educators. We cover an article by Elizabeth Dampf, The Cost of Happiness, and Jen talks about some articles she has written about joy in educators. School leaders face a lot of stress on the job. We spend a lot of time pouring into […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Whose Happiness Are You Responsible For? appeared first on Principal Matters.

In this episode of “Read by Example,” I sat down with educators and authors Joe Schmidt and Nichelle Pinkney to discuss their influential book, Civil Discourse: Classroom Conversations for Stronger Communities (Corwin, 2022). They explore the urgent need for structured, empathetic dialogue in K-12 classrooms, especially in today's politically charged environment. Drawing from their extensive backgrounds in social studies education and leadership, Joe and Nichelle provide practical frameworks and strategies for teachers to foster productive conversations, empower student voices, and build stronger, more understanding classroom communities.Key topics discussed include:* The four foundational building blocks of civil discourse: Courage, Understanding, Belonging, and Empathy.* The crucial difference between “contentious” and “controversial” topics.* Strategies for moving classroom activities from debate to more inclusive discussions and dialogues.* The importance of grounding student opinions in evidence-based sources and curated text sets.* Practical advice for teachers on how to prepare for difficult conversations and build a support system within their school.* How administrators can create a supportive “sandbox” for teachers and the importance of transparent communication with parents and the community.After listening to this episode, you will walk away with a greater appreciation for supporting student conversations in every classroom.Take care,MattP.S. Next week Thursday, 5:30pm CST, I speak with Jen Schwanke, author of Trusted (ASCD, 2025). Full subscribers can join us for this professional conversation!Official TranscriptMatt Renwick: Welcome to Read by Example, where teachers are leaders, and leaders know literacy. I am joined by two colleagues and educators who I have looked forward to speaking with ever since I read their book, Civil Discourse: Classroom Conversations for Stronger Communities. Welcome, Joe Schmidt and Nichelle Pinkney.Joe Schmidt: Thanks for having us, Matt.Matt Renwick: You were both formerly high school classroom teachers and are now in leadership roles. Nichelle and Joe, would you share a little bit about your backgrounds?Nichelle Pinkney: Hi, I'm Nichelle Pinkney. I'm entering my 21st year of education. It's hard to say out loud. I started teaching elementary for a year or two, then decided I wasn't ready for that season and went to high school. I went from first graders to 12th graders and started teaching government and economics, then moved into AP Government and Econ. I've pretty much taught everything at the high school level.A few years ago, I wanted to help other teachers learn what I had, so I became an instructional coach at the middle school level. Now, I'm a curriculum director in my district, overseeing social studies and world languages, curriculum, professional learning, and teacher development. I'm involved in my state organizations, and I love social studies and students learning about the world we live in.Matt Renwick: And you were just elected president of that organization?Nichelle Pinkney: Yes, I'm president-elect of the Texas Social Studies Leadership Association, starting in February. I'm super excited because my dream has always been to fight for social studies, and I'll get to do that through work with legislation.Matt Renwick: Well, congratulations. Joe?Joe Schmidt: I started as a high school teacher in rural Wisconsin. My first year was 9th grade, my second was 10th, and my third was 11th. I had one student seven times across our block schedule in those three courses. I left the classroom after nine years to become Madison, Wisconsin's first Social Studies Curriculum Coordinator. I was also the state specialist for Maine, and since then, I've worked for a couple of national non-profits.I'm currently the president-elect of the National Council for the Social Studies (NCSS) and will become president on July 1st, 2026, three days before America turns 250. I will be the lead host for the Chicago conference in 2026. This December, NCSS will also have a conference in Washington, D.C. (link to conference here). NCSS is the largest professional organization for social studies educators, with more than 8,000 members.I went from being a classroom teacher where people said, “You have good ideas,” and I felt like I was just making it up, to a district coordinator, to the state level, always feeling that same way. That's why I say teachers are humble heroes; it's very rare for them to toot their own horn. I do more than 100 trainings with over 2,000 teachers a year, and almost without fail, someone will share something brilliant they “just made up.” Anytime I can help teachers celebrate and recognize their own expertise is a good day. That's what has driven me: finding different venues to not only support teachers but celebrate them.Matt Renwick: We have two knowledgeable individuals in the social studies realm here, and I'm honored. As a former principal, I learned that there's so much knowledge in every classroom. It's not about improvement but about surfacing that expertise so everyone can benefit. It's great you're in positions to connect colleagues.I had your book for a couple of years after we did a statewide book study on it. I'll be honest, I didn't read it until I went to the Sphere Summit through the Cato Institute. I brought the book, and it connected perfectly with the sessions. I was back in my hotel room reading it while everyone else was out. It just really clicked for me. It feels like your book is so needed right now, especially as I see teachers self-censoring and avoiding certain books because they don't want to deal with the politics or conflict.I'll start with how you frame your book around four building blocks of civil discourse: Courage, Understanding, Belonging, and Empathy. Can you say a little more about how you came to those four guiding principles?Nichelle Pinkney: I'm an acronym junkie. Joe is very intelligent, and he'll explain things, and I'll say, “Okay, it's got to be simplified.” We were on a call with our author mentor, Julie Stern, and I was just writing down words, trying to make it simpler. We knew all these components had to be there, but it had to click.It was broken down this way because a lot was going on when we were writing this during COVID. We were at home—I think we were just stir-crazy. But seriously, the ideas of courage and understanding were huge. I think understanding and belongingness are huge because you can't have the necessary conversations in our world today without them. And the courage part—as you said, you were at the conference, you had the book, and you felt a need for it. That was courageous. Then, instead of going out, you dug deeper into the book. You took the courage to build understanding, and now you're applying the other pieces—belongingness and empathy—so these things can happen in a bigger venue.Matt Renwick: So it's like a simple first step. You don't have to start by talking about immigration on day one. Maybe the first step is just to get your book or another resource to become more knowledgeable.Joe Schmidt: Part of the impetus for the book was that as COVID hit, I was doing a lot of virtual sessions. People kept asking for sessions on what is now civil discourse. We were heading into the 2020 election, and people would say, “I told my department not to talk about the election; it's too contentious.” I thought, “They're not going to get this in math class.” We can't just abdicate our responsibility.But we had to acknowledge that this isn't easy. It's important, but it's not easy. We always start there. We know this is hard, but it is worth it. We don't want people to think there's a judgment if you're not doing it. The point is, let's just do it. It's hard, and we're not going to be perfect at it. We made mistakes. But don't just jump in on day one with the most controversial topics. That's how you end up on the news.That takes you through the progression: Is there understanding? Is everyone on the same page? Does everyone feel like they belong? Otherwise, you can't have the conversation. My favorite, which is often overlooked, is what we put under empathy: students need to know that we can disagree and still be friends. This is not a zero-sum game. If I could get every kid to understand that their classmates, people online, and people in their communities are all human beings trying to do their best, that would be the greatest gift we could give society.Matt Renwick: I'm thinking about schools that have banned cell phones. What are you going to do in the classroom in the meantime? How are you changing instruction? The kids want to talk about these topics, but they need structure and support. You mentioned “controversial,” and I liked how you differentiated it from “contentious.” What's the difference?Joe Schmidt: I was doing a presentation and realized the words felt different. A woman told me to look at the Latin sub-roots. The root of “controversial” is “quarrelsome,” which to me is fighting. But the root of “contentious” means “to strive,” which I believe is a striving for understanding. We can either be quarrelsome or strive for understanding.Even if the definitions don't feel different, I've never met someone who wants a controversy in their classroom. We strive to have contentious conversations. I've had to get on a soapbox recently to say that social studies is not controversial. Teaching history is not controversial. Is it contentious? Do people disagree? Yes, absolutely. That goes back to courage—this isn't easy. But teaching this is not controversial, and I don't ever want a teacher to have to apologize for teaching.Nichelle Pinkney: I agree. The minute you say, “We're going to talk about something controversial,” everybody's bodies shift. Adults do it. Their mannerisms shift. What happens with students? History is contentious across the world; that doesn't make it bad. We try to correct things throughout the process—not by erasing history, but through our actions. Throughout history, we've always strived to do better. We made a decision, realized it wasn't the best, so we amended it. A Supreme Court decision was wrong, so we changed it. We are always striving to do better, not by erasing the past, but by learning from it.Matt Renwick: That language was helpful for me, as was differentiating between “versus” and “or.” Those little shifts in language reminded me of the book Choice Words by Peter Johnston.Joe Schmidt: I remember in the early days, if you had told me I was about to write 600 words on the difference between “versus” and “or,” I would have never believed you. But language does matter, and we need to be reminded of that.Matt Renwick: It seemed to support a move away from a winner-take-all debate to a non-judgmental discussion of alternatives. Did you notice kids claiming more autonomy in their opinions when you shifted your language?Joe Schmidt: The big thing is the difference between dialogue, discussion, and debate. I know I defaulted to debate as a teacher, but that's rarely how the world works. A key part of debate is rebutting the other side. But a discussion is an acknowledgment of different views. If we're deciding where to go for dinner and Nichelle wants Italian, I don't lose anything as a human being if we go with her choice. Maybe tomorrow, I'll get my choice of pizza.That is freeing for students. It's okay to have a different opinion—with the disclaimer that we're still not being racist, sexist, or homophobic. If you like red and I like blue, that's fine. If you want Italian and I want tacos, that's also fine. Just because I didn't get my way doesn't mean I lost anything. I think that helps them be more authentic.Nichelle Pinkney: I moved away from debates in my class around the 2012 election. It was getting so heated. If I were honest with myself, I wasn't preparing students for what a debate should look like. What they see as a debate is completely different from what you would see in The Great Debaters or an actual Lincoln-Douglas debate. This generation sees a lot, but they don't see what a debate should be.Matt Renwick: Exactly. From what I remember, debates in the 1800s weren't about calling each other out. It was more like a discussion where people would concede points. It seems things have changed.Joe Schmidt: Kids have a perception of what a debate is. If you say you're having one, they think they know what it looks like. They want the zinger, the viral moment, the mic drop. That's why we try to move them toward discussion. There is a place for debates, but not for highly contentious, emotional topics where students expect you to pick a winner. I'm not going to debate someone's identity. I don't want to put a student in a position where they feel like a part of them “lost.”If you're going to ask a question for discussion in class, you need to ask one where you want a split opinion—50-50 or even 30-40-30. Don't ask a question that puts a kid in the position of defending something you're uncomfortable with. If the question puts fundamental values at risk, ask a different question.Matt Renwick: So, how do you help kids separate their identities from their beliefs? The goal isn't to change minds but to broaden perspectives.Nichelle Pinkney: In the book, we talk about preparing students. I always start by saying that everyone has a bias, whether we want to agree with it or not. Our biases are preconceived based on where we grew up, the food we eat, the music we listen to, and so on. I used to tell my students to “check those biases at the door,” which means we're not going to judge people or put them in a box.From there, everything was rooted in research and sources. When students responded, it was always grounded in resources. Before sites existed that show where news sources fall on the political spectrum, I had to make sure I provided materials showing different sides. I grew up in a small town in Texas and had a very limited view until I went to college in North Carolina, where my roommate was from Connecticut. She had seen a world I had never seen. So, in my classroom, I made sure students could see other sides, because in some environments, you won't get that. We used a thinking routine: “At first, I think this because I don't know any better. But now that I see all these different sides, I may still think the same thing, but at least I'm informed.”Matt Renwick: That sounds like you created awareness for the kids in a natural way about how our environment and culture shape our beliefs.Joe Schmidt: I would work very hard to curate a text set with multiple perspectives using primary sources or different news articles. The shorthand with students was, “If you can't point at it, it's probably not evidence.” I curated the set for you; don't ignore the ten pages of reading and then tell me what your uncle said on Facebook. You build that habit, and kids will start to reinforce it with each other. In a Socratic seminar, you start by saying, “I'm on page 3, line 17,” and give everyone a second to get there.Using structures like sentence stems can keep conversations from boiling over. If you want students to speak in a certain way, give them the stems and hold them accountable. Kids are the best body-language readers. If they see you're not consistent with the rules for everyone, the structure falls apart. If you're consistent, it may feel rigid, but it provides the structure kids need to be successful.Matt Renwick: You wrote in the book that a classroom's strength lies in its ability to handle disagreements without breaking bonds. That speaks to a shared sense of humanity. You also challenge the reader: when you are fearful of teaching a topic, who are you thinking about? For me, it was a former school board where a few people were out to get teachers. How can leaders help teachers reclaim their agency to handle criticism when they bring in contentious topics?Joe Schmidt: That question is from Dan Krutka. Often, when we say “my kids aren't ready for that,” it's really “I don't want to deal with the outside factors.” I remind teachers they have to stay in the sandbox—the legal rulings are consistent that you can't indoctrinate students. But then I tell administrators, you build the sandbox. If you want teachers doing this work, you need to support them.I was working with a district where people wanted a middle school teacher fired for teaching current events. I told the administration they needed to release a statement supporting the teacher. That's the job. But I know some administrators don't want to deal with the pressure. So if your principal won't support you, find someone who will—an assistant principal, a department chair, a guidance counselor. Don't give up your agency. Think about this ahead of time. Don't wait until all hell breaks loose to figure out your support system. Practice it like a fire drill, so when a situation arises, you are responding, not reacting.Matt Renwick: The book is very thorough. You call that prep “Day Zero Planning.”Nichelle Pinkney: As an administrator, I support my 250 teachers 100%, and they know that from day one. That's our role; it's what we signed up for. I can be that voice. I can say, “It's in the standards,” or “It's what happened.” Here in Texas, our standards are specific, and I can point directly to them.Another big thing is that out of fear, we've closed our classroom doors. We need to change the narrative. The narrative is that teachers are doing something wrong. I say be transparent. I over-communicated with parents to the point where they'd say, “Oh my god, another email from Ms. Pinkney.” I would tell them, “In this unit, we're going to talk about the principles of government. Here's what they are. Please ask your child about them when they get home.” Very few parents visited, but they all knew what was happening. We have a loud group saying one thing, and we get quiet. I say we need to be loud. We need to put it out there and say, “This is what we're doing. I would love for you to come see it.” Get your administrator involved. Invite everyone. Create an open-door policy so everyone knows what's happening in your room.Matt Renwick: So, communicate, use the standards, and find leaders who will back you up. That's all great advice. I think we're out of time, but I will just say that this is a social studies book, yes, but it's also a literacy book. It's a book for any K-12 classroom. It connects so well to the speaking and listening standards that everyone should be teaching.Again, the book is Civil Discourse: Classroom Conversations for Stronger Communities. I'm here with Joe Schmidt and Nichelle Pinkney. Thank you so much for joining me. Good luck with your school years.Joe Schmidt: Thank you, Matt.Nichelle Pinkney: Thank you, Matt. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit readbyexample.substack.com/subscribe

A quick note to listeners:  Before this week's interview, Jen Schwanke and Will Parker take a few minutes to discuss the following question: What is missing that keeps every school from moving forward at high levels all the time?  Listen in to hear their response! Meet Danny Bauer: Daniel Bauer is the founder of Better […] The post PMP467: Being a Ruckus Maker with Danny Bauer appeared first on Principal Matters.

Welcome back to another episode of Monday Matters! This week, join Will Parker and Jen Schwanke for the final discussion about Jen's new book, Trusted: Trust Pillars, Trust Killers, and the Secret to Successful Schools. Chapter 7 is about self-trust for principals. The work of a principal is inherently very self critical. When a principal […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Self-Trust and Beyond appeared first on Principal Matters.

This week on Monday Matters, Jen Schwanke and Will Parker are talking about building trust with students. Their conversation is a follow-up to last week's episode, where they talk about what kills trust with students. If you haven't already listened to that episode, go back and give it a listen! Building trust with students is the […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Building Trust with Students appeared first on Principal Matters.

Happy Monday Principal Matters listeners! This week, Will Parker and Jen Schwanke are discussing a topic from Jen Schwanke's new book, Trusted: Trust Pillars, Trust Killers, and the Secret to Successful Schools. Today's conversation is part one of a two part conversation about building trust with students. Building trust with students is an essential skill […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Trust Killers with Students appeared first on Principal Matters.

Welcome back to another episode of Principal Matters Podcast! This week's episode is a little different than our regularly scheduled content. A few months ago, Will Parker joined Dr. Jen Schwanke's class on human capital management at Ohio State University to answer their questions about school leadership. This class is made up of students who […] The post PMP464: Human Capital Management with OSU Graduate Students appeared first on Principal Matters.

Join us for this episode of the IASP Leadership podcast. A weekly podcast production containing short, sweet, nuggets of Wednesday wisdom for our leadership growth. In this episode, we hear from Dr. Jen Schawnke, upcoming IASP Assistant Principals Opening Keynote Speaker. Leading with heart. Handling conflict with confidence. Protecting our joy in the middle of constant demands. If that sounds like exactly what you need, you'll love this preview of our opening keynote with Dr. Jen Schwanke at the IASP Assistant Principals Conference on November 20, 2025, at the JW Marriott, Indianapolis. We highlight takeaways from her keynote, “Leading with Heart,”—school climate, authentic support, work–life integration, and self-care—and her breakout, “Conflict Management for Assistant Principals,” featuring the practical anticipate–analyze–act approach. Tune in for inspiration and ready-to-use strategies, then make plans to join us on November 20. Click to register!

This week on Monday Matters, Will Parker and Jen Schwanke talk more about a concept from Jen's new book, Trusted: Trust Pillars, Trust Killers, and the Secret to Successful Schools. The topic of conversation this week is building trust with parents. Jen shares several components that are key to schools building a trusting relationship with […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Building Trust with Parents appeared first on Principal Matters.

A quick note to listeners:  Before this week's interview, Jen Schwanke and Will Parker take a few minutes to discuss the following question: What feedback do you have for an AP who feels like they are carrying all the weight of the Principal? Listen in to hear their response! Leaning into Leadership with Darrin Peppard: […] The post PMP463: Leaning into Leadership with Darrin Peppard appeared first on Principal Matters.

Welcome back to another episode of Monday Matters! This week, Will Parker and Jen Schwanke are talking about building trust with teachers. Competency, openness, and honesty are three key building blocks to building trust with teachers. Teachers feeling that their principal is competent is key to having a trusting relationship between teachers and principals. Staying […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Trust with Teachers appeared first on Principal Matters.

This week on the Leaning Into Leadership podcast, I sit down with Dr. Jen Schwanke, a seasoned educator, author, and deputy superintendent with nearly three decades of experience. Together, we explore the history of public education and why times of societal unrest so often result in schools being placed under the spotlight.Dr. Schwanke shares insights from her doctoral research, her leadership journey, and her brand-new book, Trusted: Trust Pillars, Trust Killers, and the Secret to Successful Schools. We dig into:Why schools feel under attack during turbulent times—and why this isn't new.How leaders can avoid the traps of denial, defensiveness, or despair when criticism comes.The importance of being trust willing as well as trustworthy.Why strong systems are essential for good people to thrive.Practical advice for new principals handed the master keys for the first time.Strategies for instructional leadership when you don't feel like an expert in every content area.How to build authentic trust with staff, parents, and students—and why curiosity beats judgment every time.Whether you're stepping into school leadership for the first time or looking to sharpen your ability to lead with trust and positivity, Dr. Schwanke's wisdom will help you show up with courage, clarity, and relentless optimism.

A quick note to listeners:  Before this week's interview, Jen Schwanke and Will Parker take a few minutes to share some feedback that Will has recently received after a PD session with teachers and staff.  Listen in to hear their conversation! Meet Kim Marshall and Jenn David-Lang: Kim Marshall is a veteran educator and writer […] The post PMP462: Supporting New Teachers, Part 2, with Jenn David-Lang and Kim Marshall appeared first on Principal Matters.

Welcome back, Principal Matters listeners! This week on Monday Matters, Will Parker and Jen Schwanke are talking about trust pillars and trust killers, a concept covered in Jen's new book. When it comes to school trust, there are a number of methods school leaders can employ to build organizational trust among teachers and staff members. […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Trust Pillars and Trust Killers  appeared first on Principal Matters.

A quick note to listeners:  Before this week's interview, Jen Schwanke and Will Parker take a few minutes to discuss the following question: What would a spouse tell a principal stepping into their first year on the job? Listen in to hear their response! Meet Kim Marshall and Jenn David-Lang: Kim Marshall is a veteran […] The post PMP461: Supporting New Teachers with Jenn David-Lang and Kim Marshall appeared first on Principal Matters.

Hello, Principal Matters Listeners! Welcome back to another conversation about Jen's new book, Trusted: Trust Pillars, Trust Killers, and the Secret to Successful Schools, available August 17th. Pre-order your copy now! Today, Jen Schwanke and Will Parker will be talking about what sets this book apart from a lecture on how to be trustworthy. Their […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Trustworthy vs. Trust-willing appeared first on Principal Matters.

A quick note to listeners:  Before this week's interview, Jen Schwanke and Will Parker take a few minutes to discuss the following listener question: What other practical ways (like your student handbook) can you rethink for sending positive messaging to your students and school community? Listen in to hear their response! Meet Richard Culatta: ​​As […] The post PMP460: Digital for Good with Richard Culatta appeared first on Principal Matters.

Hi, friends. Jen Schwanke is excited to announce that her new book, Trusted: Trust Pillars, Trust Killers, and the Secret to Successful Schools, will be released on the 17th of this month! Over the next several weeks, Jen and I will be using the Monday Matters episodes to dive into each of the chapters of […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Trusted: A New Book by Jen Schwanke appeared first on Principal Matters.

A quick note to listeners:  Before this week's interview, Jen Schwanke and Will Parker take a few minutes to discuss the following listener question: As I step into a new role at a new school, how can I make a difference in a school that is struggling with disengaged teachers without being seen as a […] The post PMP459: Unlocking Academic Achievement with David Young appeared first on Principal Matters.

Lessons from Climbing Mt. Massive On June 26, 2025, my son Jack and I summited Mt Massive, at 14,429 feet, the 2nd tallest peak in Colorado. That one sentence sums up an impossibly difficult-to-describe one-day adventure that he and I have dreamed about for a long time. The day began at 4:30 AM, when we […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Lessons From Climbing Mt. Massive appeared first on Principal Matters.

A Quick Note to Listeners:  Before this week's interview, Jen Schwanke and Will Parker take a few minutes to discuss the following question: What should I be thinking as I step into the school year, especially if I am starting a new role? Listen in to hear their response! Meet LaVonna Roth: With almost 20 […] The post PMP458: Permission to S.H.I.N.E. with LaVonna Roth appeared first on Principal Matters.

Welcome back to another installment of Monday Matters! This week, Dr. Jen Schwanke and I are discussing chapter 13 from my new book Whose Permission Are You Waiting For? An Educator's Guide to Doing What You Love. The focus of chapter 13 is based on avoiding the mindset that our greatest joy has to be […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Your Greatest Joy Is Not What You May Think appeared first on Principal Matters.

A Quick Note to Listeners: Before this week's interview, Will Parker and Jen Schwanke share an update on the United Conference they will both be attending in Seattle this week. Listen in to find out what time they will be presenting and how you can connect with both of them at the conference. They would […] The post PMP456: Empowering Student Agency with Dr. Mike Nicholson appeared first on Principal Matters.

Happy Monday, Principal Matters listeners! This week, Jen Schwanke and I are talking about chapter 12 from my new book, Whose Permission Are You Waiting For? An Educator's Guide to Doing What You Love. The premise of this chapter is on something I like to call “life liturgies”: practices, routines, and rituals that define a […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Life Liturgies  appeared first on Principal Matters.

A Quick Note to Listeners: Before this week's interview, Will Parker and Jen Schwanke spend some time talking about Jen's upcoming book: Trusted: Trust Pillars, Trust Killers, and the Secret to Successful Schools. Listen in to hear more about this book, as well as where you can pre-order it. Thank you for doing what matters! […] The post PMP455: Cybersecurity in Schools: Risks, Prevention, and Best Practices with Mike Fitzpatrick appeared first on Principal Matters.

A Quick Note to Listeners: Before this week's interview, Will Parker answers a question from a student in Jen Schwanke's graduate class at OSU. The question is: From your experience as a podcaster, what are the most compelling or surprising insights you've gained from other educational leaders regarding human capital management? (This question is asked […] The post PMP454: Maximizing Systems, Focus, and Impact with PJ Caposey appeared first on Principal Matters.

Welcome back to another Monday Matters. As school leaders across the country are wrapping up their school years, Jen and I are wishing everyone a happy summer! This week's episode is a discussion of a chapter on coaching from my book, Whose Permission Are You Waiting For? An Educator's Guide to Doing What You Love. […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – The Value of Coaching appeared first on Principal Matters.

A Quick Note to Listeners: Before this week's interview, Will Parker answers a question from a student in Jen Schwanke's graduate class at OSU. The question is: Through your consulting work, what common human capital challenges do you see schools facing and how can principals proactively address them? (Question from Madeline Platfoot, 6th grade math […] The post PMP453: Leading with Wellness in Mind with Dr. Angela Diggs appeared first on Principal Matters.

Hi, Principal Matters listeners! Thank you for tuning in for another episode of Monday Matters. This week, Jen Schanke and I are talking about chapter 10 from my book, Whose Permission Are You Waiting For? An Educator's Guide to Doing What You Love. Before we jump into that discussion, Jen announces all of the places […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Cycles of Reflection appeared first on Principal Matters.

A Quick Note to Listeners: Before this week's interview, Will Parker answers a question from a student in Jen Schwanke's graduate class at OSU. The question is: How did you ensure equity and fairness in staff evaluations, promotions, and leadership opportunities? (Question from Diona Ross, High School Intervention Specialist from Columbus, Ohio) Listen in to […] The post PMP452: Reaching Every Student with Dr. Tracie Anderson Swilley  appeared first on Principal Matters.

Hi, Principal Matters listeners, and welcome back to another episode of Monday Matters! This week, Jen Schwanke and I are talking about building systems that produce the outcome you want (Chapter 8 in Whose Permission). I want to talk about systems on Monday Matters because Jen Schwanke has helped me understand systems better. Jen shares […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Building Systems That Produce Outcomes You Want appeared first on Principal Matters.

A Quick Note to Listeners: Before this week's interview, Will Parker answers a question from a student in Jen Schwanke's graduate class at OSU. The question is: What practical strategies did you use to boost staff morale and prevent burnout, especially during times of high stress or change?  (Question from Cameron Carter, first grade teacher […] The post PMP451: What is My Value Instructionally with Baruti Kafele appeared first on Principal Matters.

It's Monday, so that means it's time for another Monday Matters episode! This week, Jen and I are continuing a series of conversations that revolve around the chapters from my new book, Whose Permission Are You Waiting For? An Educator's Guide to Doing What You Love. The chapter we're discussing this week is called “Let's […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Let's Talk About Money appeared first on Principal Matters.

Hi, Friends! Welcome back to another installment of Monday Matters! This week, I am joined by Jen Schwanke to talk about a chapter called “Will It Fly?”  in my new book, Whose Permission Are You Waiting For? An Educator's Guide to Doing What You Love.  When I wrote this chapter, I wanted to share with […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Will It Fly? appeared first on Principal Matters.

Welcome back to another episode of Monday Matters! This week, Jen and I are talking about chapter 6 from my new book, Whose Permission Are You Waiting For? An Educator's Guide to Doing What You Love. But before we jump into that discussion, we would like to share some details about some upcoming conferences we […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Whose Permission Are You Waiting For? appeared first on Principal Matters.

Hi, friends, and welcome back to Monday Matters! Today Jen and I are discussing the value of consistency, which is one of the chapters in my new book Whose Permission Are You Waiting For? An Educator's Guide to Doing What You Love. To start out the conversation, Jen shares the heartwarming story of a nurse, […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – The Value of Consistency appeared first on Principal Matters.

Welcome back to another episode of Monday Matters! This week, Will and Jen are talking about another chapter from Will's new book, Whose Permission Are You Waiting For? An Educator's Guide to Doing What You Love. Throughout their conversation, Will and Jen discuss how important it is for school leaders to stay curious. One of […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Curiosity Plus Inquiry Equals Discovery appeared first on Principal Matters.

Happy Friday! This week our encore episode is a conversation between Jen Schwanke and I, focused on encouraging and motivating staff. Listen in to hear us discuss the following reminders for education leaders: Tune in to hear the full conversation or check out the original blog post to learn more. Thank you doing what matters! The post ENCORE FRIDAY – PMP278: Encouraging & Motivating Staff with Jen Schwanke appeared first on Principal Matters.

A Quick Note to Listeners: —- The Question of the Week is supported by Summer Pops Math Workbooks.Principals, when students practice math over the summer, math scores go up. What's your summer math plan this year? A great way to start is by ordering FREE summer workbook samples at Summer Pops Workbooks.com. —- Before this […] The post PMP446: Recovering After Fire with Lana Penley & Jen Schwanke appeared first on Principal Matters.

Welcome back to Monday Matters! This week, Will Parker and Jen Schwanke are discussing a chapter from Will's new book, Whose Permission Are You Waiting For? An Educator's Guide to Doing What You Love. The chapter is on avoiding the binary, and discusses innovative ways for readers to approach decision making in their work through […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Avoiding the Binary appeared first on Principal Matters.

Happy Friday! This week's encore episode is one from 2021, a conversation between Will Parker and Jen Schwanke about school discipline. Listen in to hear them talk about several different ways to approach consequences for student discipline, as well as some great advice and practical applications to approaching discipline. You can learn more by tuning […] The post ENCORE FRIDAY – PMP271: Answering Questions on School Discipline with Jen Schwanke appeared first on Principal Matters.

A Quick Note to Listeners: —- The Question of the Week is supported by Summer Pops Math Workbooks.Principals, when students practice math over the summer, math scores go up. What's your summer math plan this year? A great way to start is by ordering FREE summer workbook samples at Summer Pops Workbooks.com. —- Before this […] The post PMP445: Powerful Voices in Education with Donna Hayward and Jen Schwanke appeared first on Principal Matters.

This week on Monday Matters, Will and Jen talk about professional pathways for educators and getting through the end of the school year. They discuss strategies for powering through what Will and Jen call the “slog” at the end of the school year, and share how they have each adjusted their mindset to have a […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Professional Pathways for Educators appeared first on Principal Matters.

This conversation explores the profound impact of recent immigration policy changes on teachers and students, focusing on the emotional and practical challenges faced in educational settings. Panelists discuss the anxiety and fear stemming from the potential presence of immigration agents in schools, the importance of clear communication and support systems, and strategies for creating safe spaces for students. The discussion highlights the importance of collaboration among educators, community organizations, and school leadership in effectively navigating these challenges. Follow on Twitter @Jenschwanke @drjenschwanke.bsky.social | @jehan_hakim | @msdarasavage @ExcelLYNNCE | @kbustosdiaz | @jonHarper70bd | @bamradionetwork Jehan Hakim is a mother and Houston-based educational consultant with over a decade of experience in empowering educators and organizational leaders through culturally responsive pedagogy and professional development. Jen Schwanke, Ed.D., has been an educator for almost three decades, teaching or leading at all levels. She is the author of four books published by ASCD, including The Principal's Guide to Conflict Management, and has published hundreds of articles in various education publications. In addition to providing professional development to districts in the areas of school climate, personnel, and instructional leadership, Schwanke presents at conferences for ASCD, NAESP, NASSP, AASA, and various state and local education organizations. She is the co-host of the popular “Principal Matters” podcast and an instructor in educational administration at The Ohio State University and Miami University of Ohio. Dr. Schwanke currently serves as a Deputy Superintendent in Ohio.– Kenya Bustos Diaz is a freshman ENL Teacher From Veracruz, Mexico, DACA recipient. Social Justice Mentor for Future Teachers of Color at Butler University Bachelor's Degree in Secondary Education from Butler University. Dara Laws Savage is a 26-year educator from the great state of Delaware. She has served on numerous local, regional, and state committees, and has been Teacher of the Year in two different districts. She is an Emeritus national faculty member of PBLWorks, and is presently the English 9 teacher and Instructional Coach at the Early College High School at Delaware State University while working on her doctorate. Dara is a proud Board of Education member for the Seaford School District (alumna) and she is the owner of Savage Educational Consulting. Tom Rademacher has spent the last two decades devoted to students and education. He's the author of 50 Strategies for Learning without Screens, It Won't Be Easy, Raising Ollie, and the forthcoming chapter book series Bucket and Friends. Tom was named Minnesota's 2014 Teacher of the Year, and before teaching mostly wrote bad poetry and talked about Kurt Cobain. He lives too close to the Mall of America in Minnesota with his wife, son, and absolute chonk of a dog.

Happy Monday, friends! This week for Monday Matters, Jen and Will are taking some time to catch up and talk about the exciting work we have been doing recently.  Jen talks about a presentation she gave recently. By the time this recording comes out, she will have returned from speaking at national school boards association […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Catching Up appeared first on Principal Matters.

Welcome back to Encore Friday! This week's episode is one from 2021, a conversation with Jen Schwanke about gaining buy-in and building leadership teams. Tune in to hear us answer the following questions from principals: Listen in to hear the entire episode, or follow this link to read the original blog post. Thank you for […] The post ENCORE FRIDAY – PMP270: Gaining Buy-In & Building Leadership Teams with Jen Schwanke appeared first on Principal Matters.

Hi, friends. This week for Monday Matters, Jen and I are taking some time to talk about an exciting new offering from Principal Matters, led by Jen Schwanke! Based on her book, The Principal's Guide to Conflict Management, Jen will be leading a 3-hour masterclass on June 3rd, 2025, at 11 am EDT. This dynamic […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Introducing a New PD Offering from Jen Schwanke appeared first on Principal Matters.

Welcome back to Monday Matters! This week Jen Schwanke and Will Parker are sharing some lessons learned from doing PD with school leaders. They talk about some of the strengths that leaders who are women bring to the table, as well as strengths that leaders who are men bring to the table. During their conversation, […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Tips on Maintaining Sanity appeared first on Principal Matters.

This week on Monday Matters, Jen and I talk about some of the responses to the “Dear Colleague” letter sent out by the US Department of Education Office for Civil Rights. Sent to educators across the country, this letter has generated a multitude of responses from teachers, principals, and superintendents alike. If you would like […] The post MONDAY MATTERS with Jen Schwanke and Will Parker – Dear Colleague Letter appeared first on Principal Matters.