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THE VIBEwith Kelly Cardenas presentsBen Glass is a prominent American attorney, business leader,and legal marketing expert with over 40 years of experiencein representing disabled and injured clients against insurancecompanies. He is widely recognized for his innovative approach tolaw and business, making significant contributions to both fields.Ben Glass is the host of the Renegade Lawyer Podcast and theERISA Disability and Life Insurance Litigation Podcast, sharinginsights on his innovative approach to law. He has appeared onover 125 podcasts and publications in the legal and entrepreneurialspace.As the founder of Great Legal Marketing, for over 20 years hehas coached solo and small firm lawyers nationwide on buildingsuccessful practices. He is passionate about mentoring andcontributing to the community, including advising the the board ofLove Without Boundaries and promoting positive behavior in youthsoccer.Authored books (all available at Amazon) include:"Renegade Lawyer Marketing""Great Legal Marketing""No B.S. Time Management for Entrepreneurs" (co-authored withDan Kennedy)"You, A Teenage Soccer Referee: The Guide to Success""Play Left Fullback"Ben Glass was born and raised in Northern Virginia, attendingThomas Jefferson High School where he captained his high schoolsoccer team for three years, won a regional championship his senioryear and went on to play soccer at William & Mary on scholarship.Ben Glass is married to Sandi Glass and they have nine children,four of whom were adopted from China. Ben and Sandi have sevengrandchildren.Ben played for the Annandale Cavaliers, who won a national youthsoccer championship in 1976 at the U-19 division. He started hissoccer referee career at age 16 and continues to referee at the youthand high school level today.Ben graduated from George Mason University Law School, (now TheAntonin Scalia School of Law) and began the private practice of lawin 1983.Through the Ben Glass Center for Growth and Innovation, Glassprovides coaching and training to lawyers from the United States andCanada. These quarterly meetings attract legal professionals eagerto learn from Ben and his team on how to build thriving businesseswhile maintaining a balanced lifestyle.https://benglasslaw.com/https://www.greatlegalmarketing.com/www.linkedin.com/in/benglasshttps://www.facebook.com/LiveLifeVeryBig/ JOIN THE VIBE COMMUNITY Https://store.kellycardenas.com/kelly-cardenas-membership BE SURE TO CHECK OUT THE PODCAST MERCH http://KellyCardenasMerch.com Thank you to our sponsorsThe High Fives Foundationhttps://highfivesfoundation.org/ FINDLAY VOLVO CARS LAS VEGAS Findlay Volvo Las Vegas Tableone hospitality Tableonehospitality.com THE MINA GROUP https://www.michaelmina.net Https://www.Secretknock.co Cardenas Law Group https://www.cardenaslawgrouplv.com BLING SHINE SERUM-The #1 seller of over 15 years and the only product to be endorsed by my MAMA!MORE KELLY HTTPS://SOLO.TO/KELLYCARDENAS “JOY IS THE ART OF FALLING IN LOVE WITH YOUR CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES AND ALLOWING MAGIC TO HAPPEN!” EXECUTIVE PRODUCER BROOKLYN CARDENAS https://www.brooklyncardenas.com/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/kelly-cardenas/support
On Saturday, June 8th, 2024, the headline in the Wall Street Journal Saturday review section read: "The Hidden Life of Google's Secret Weapon." The author was Brody Mullins, a veteran investigative reporter for the Journal. The series ran over 3 days. The focus was on a man named Joshua Wright, a lawyer and former law professor at George Mason University Law School. Under the Journal headline, the paper declares that: "Joshua Wright cleared a path to domination for the world's biggest tech companies, keeping regulators at bay while juggling inappropriate relationships and skirting conflict-of-interest standards at every turn." Brody Mullins, with his brother Luke, also has a new book out called "The Wolves of K Street." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On Saturday, June 8th, 2024, the headline in the Wall Street Journal Saturday review section read: "The Hidden Life of Google's Secret Weapon." The author was Brody Mullins, a veteran investigative reporter for the Journal. The series ran over 3 days. The focus was on a man named Joshua Wright, a lawyer and former law professor at George Mason University Law School. Under the Journal headline, the paper declares that: "Joshua Wright cleared a path to domination for the world's biggest tech companies, keeping regulators at bay while juggling inappropriate relationships and skirting conflict-of-interest standards at every turn." Brody Mullins, with his brother Luke, also has a new book out called "The Wolves of K Street." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Jeff is a 3L at George Mason University Law School and Currently works as a Senior Law Clerk at ST Engineering North America. Jeff epitomizes the central theme of this podcast: there's no singular path to law school. Our discussion delved into Jeff's eight-year tenure in the fitness industry before embarking on his journey to law school. We explored his experiences during law school, his internship endeavors, and the profound impact of founding his own fitness company on his personal growth and resilience throughout his legal education. I aim to foster informal and comprehensive conversations on a wide range of topics, and this episode exemplifies just that.https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-simmons1
Erik J. Olson talks to John C. Whitbeck, Jr., the Managing Partner at Whitbeck Bennett PLLC in Leesburg, Virginia. John is a professor of law at George Mason University Law School, and the former Director of the George Mason University Law and Mental Illness Clinic. He served as Substitute Judge in Virginia District Courts, hearing civil and criminal matters, including family law cases. He also served as a Special Justice for civil commitment hearings in the Twentieth Judicial Circuit as well, which requires him to sit as a “judge” for hearings to commit mentally ill individuals to psychiatric treatment. He has also served as a Special Prosecutor in the Loudoun County General District Courts. Learn from his expertise and what trends are helping grow his firm on this episode of The Managing Partners Podcast! —- Array Digital provides bold marketing that helps managing partners grow their law firms. arraylaw.com Follow us on Instagram: @array.digital Follow us on Twitter: @thisisarray Call us for a FREE digital marketing review: 757-333-3021 SUBSCRIBE to The Managing Partners Podcast for conversations with the nation's top attorneys.
My guest today is David Bernstein. David is a professor at George Mason University Law School and the executive director of their liberty and Law Centre. His new book is called "Classified: The Untold Story of Racial Classification in America".Topics covered in this episode include the definition of race and the historical origins of America's Big Five racial and ethnic categories, which are Asian American, Black, Hispanic, American Indian, and White. We discuss the problems with all of these categories and how those problems manifest in race-based affirmative action programs and race-based social spending in general. We talk about the phenomenon of racial fraud trials where judges have to determine the race of individuals seeking to qualify for certain programs. We discuss the malleability of racial identity, and how commonly our racial identities can change in response to incentives. We also go on to discuss the prospect of what David calls "a separation of race and state".I really enjoyed this conversation and I hope you do too.-Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code [20COLEMAN] at Manscaped.com. That's 20% off with free shipping at manscaped.com and use code [20COLEMAN].-Sign up through wren.co/coleman to make a difference in the climate crisis, and Wren will plant 10 extra trees in your name!-Sign up today at butcherbox.com/COLEMAN to get two, 10 oz New York strip steaks and 8 oz of lobster claw and knuckle meat FREE in your first order.
My guest today is David Bernstein. David is a professor at George Mason University Law School and the executive director of their liberty and Law Centre. His new book is called "Classified: The Untold Story of Racial Classification in America". Topics covered in this episode include the definition of race and the historical origins of America's Big Five racial and ethnic categories, which are Asian American, Black, Hispanic, American Indian, and White. We discuss the problems with all of these categories and how those problems manifest in race-based affirmative action programs and race-based social spending in general. We talk about the phenomenon of racial fraud trials where judges have to determine the race of individuals seeking to qualify for certain programs. We discuss the malleability of racial identity, and how commonly our racial identities can change in response to incentives. We also go on to discuss the prospect of what David calls "a separation of race and state". I really enjoyed this conversation and I hope you do too. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
My guest today is David Bernstein. David is a professor at George Mason University Law School and the executive director of their liberty and Law Centre. His new book is called "Classified: The Untold Story of Racial Classification in America".Topics covered in this episode include the definition of race and the historical origins of America's Big Five racial and ethnic categories, which are Asian American, Black, Hispanic, American Indian, and White. We discuss the problems with all of these categories and how those problems manifest in race-based affirmative action programs and race-based social spending in general. We talk about the phenomenon of racial fraud trials where judges have to determine the race of individuals seeking to qualify for certain programs. We discuss the malleability of racial identity, and how commonly our racial identities can change in response to incentives. We also go on to discuss the prospect of what David calls "a separation of race and state".I really enjoyed this conversation and I hope you do too.-Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code [20COLEMAN] at Manscaped.com. That's 20% off with free shipping at manscaped.com and use code [20COLEMAN].-Sign up through wren.co/coleman to make a difference in the climate crisis, and Wren will plant 10 extra trees in your name!-Sign up today at butcherbox.com/COLEMAN to get two, 10 oz New York strip steaks and 8 oz of lobster claw and knuckle meat FREE in your first order.
Professor J.W. Verret (@JWVerret), teaches accounting and finance, securities law, M&A, corporate law and banking law at the George Mason University Law School. A Senior Advisor @messaricrypto, J.W. is a licensed CPA in the state of Virginia, is licensed in financial forensics by the AICPA, is a Certified Fraud Examiner and a Certified Valuation Analyst. He has been a Visiting Professor at Stanford Law School. J.W. served on the Investor Advisory Committee of the Securities and Exchange Commission, where he advised the SEC on matters of investor protection. He serves on the Financial Accounting Standards Advisory Committee, which advises on the development of Generally Accepted Accounting Standards (GAAP). He also serves as faculty liaison to the American College of Business Court Judges. He previously worked as the Chief Economist at the U.S. House Financial Services Committee. J.W. holds a Bachelors degree in Financial Accounting, a Masters in Economic Policy from the Harvard Kennedy School of Government, and a J.D. from Harvard Law School. In this wide-ranging conversation, we discuss J.W.'s work as an advisor at the SEC, his new position at Messari, the future of disclosure, securities laws, and much more. Show highlights: [3:00] J.W.'s introduction to Bitcoin [9:40] Story behind his twitter header [16:30] Learning quickly [22:00] Senior Advisor at Messari [27:00] Understanding Gary Gensler [34:43] Reg X Proposal by LeXPunK [40:00] Crypto regulation [45:00] Expanding the Howey test [51:00] Pillars of securities law [59:00] Crypto as the modern printing press [66:00] Decentralization Disclosure [72:00] DAOs [76:00] Habits & career advice If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving a review. You can subscribe to our newsletter to stay updated on the latest episodes.
Lee, the Senior Vice President for Training and Education at Hinz Consulting, has more than thirty years of experience in proposal development and program and contract management. Lee has served in the U.S. Air Force and then moved to the civilian side with stints at Computer Sciences Corporation and 3Com before becoming an independent proposal consultant in 1991. While most of Lee's career has been in the IT and telecommunications field, his breadth of experience spans proposals as varied as helicopter maintenance to medical waste disposal. He has supported proposals for DoD, GSA, DHS, DISA, DOI, DLA, FAA and many other agencies. Lee is a graduate of Clemson University and George Mason University Law School. He was a member of the Virginia bar from 1991 until 2018.Support the show (https://pod.fan/scribble-talk)
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Emilie Kao is in the right place at the right time.As Director of the Richard and Helen DeVos Center for Religion & Civil Society at The Heritage Foundation, Kao is an attorney who has defended religious freedom for the last 14 years. She has worked on behalf of victims of religious freedom violations in East Asia, the Middle East, Europe and South Asia at the State Department’s Office of International Religious Freedom and Becket Law.Previously she worked at the United Nations and Latham & Watkins.Kao also taught international human rights law at George Mason University Law School as an adjunct law professor.She earned an A.B. degree in Near Eastern Civilizations and Languages at Harvard-Radcliffe College and a J.D. at Harvard Law School. She is a member of the Supreme Court Bar and the bar associations of California and the District of Columbia.Today, she is serving as a critical buffer between the Biden Administration and fundamental rights of Americans like you and I. On today's episode of Family Matters, we'll talk with Emilie about the Equality Act and the response to it called the Promise to America's Children.I hope you can join us.Support the show (https://www.akfamily.org/donate/)
James Broughel is a senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center and an adjunct professor of law at George Mason University Law School. James specializes in state and federal regulatory procedures, cost-benefit analysis, and economic growth. He joins the show today to talk about a recent symposium he hosted on the social discount rate; what it is, its uses, and the controversy surrounding how to measure it. David and James also discuss cost-benefit analysis in the regulatory world and why the social discount rate matters for policy. Transcript for the episode: https://www.mercatus.org/bridge/podcasts/03182019/discounting-future James’ Twitter: @JamesBroughel James’ Mercatus profile: https://www.mercatus.org/james-broughel Related Links: *The Social Rate of Time Preference and the Social Discount Rate* by Mark Moore and Adam Vining https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/moore_and_vining_-_mercatus_research_-_a_social_rate_of_time_preference_approach_to_social_discount_rate_-_v1.pdf *The Appropriate Measure of the Social Discount Rate and Its Role in the Analysis of Policies with Long-Run Consequences* by David Burgess https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/burgess_-_mercatus_research_-_the_appropriate_measure_of_the_social_discount_rate_and_its_role_in_the_analysis_of_policies_with_long-run_consequences_-_v1.pdf *The Unsettled Matter of Discounting the Future* by James Broughel https://www.mercatus.org/publications/regulation/social-discount-rate/unsettled-matter-discounting-future *Equity or Efficiency? The Battle for the Soul of Benefit-Cost Analysis* by James Broughel https://www.mercatus.org/publications/regulatory-analysis/equity-or-efficiency-battle-soul-benefit-cost-analysis Amazon link to James’ former band *Levy*: https://www.amazon.com/Levy/e/B001LHXCE2/ref=dp_byline_cont_music_1 David’s blog: macromarketmusings.blogspot.com David’s Twitter: @DavidBeckworth
On this episode my guests are Publisher Mark Rogers and President Mandi Hart of Cave Pictures Publishing. Mark Rogers has produced graphic novels, young adult fiction, computer games, concerts, documentaries and films. He has worked with artists such as Michael W. Smith, Bono and The Fray. Mark has also worked with entertainment companies that include Walden Media, Disney and Roadside Attractions. Mandi Hart is an attorney and filmmaker with a passion for story telling. She holds a JD from George Mason University Law School and an MFA in Film Production and Direction from UNC-Greensboro. Why did they decide to take the plunge into the choppy waters of comic book publishing? Mark and Mandi will discuss the mission of Cave Publishing and the comics they have planned for this year into the next decade. What does it take to be a Cave Pictures comic? Why did they use the story of Plato’s Cave to explain their publishing philosophy? Do they have future trades planned? How about other media outlets? What is their five-year plan? Coming up this month on future interviews I’ll take a deeper dive into some of comics we discuss with the creative teams. Please take a moment to rate Creator Talks on iTunes: http://apple.co/2Cq9ygK More about Cave Pictures Publishing https://cavepicturespublishing.com/ This episode is sponsored The Comic Book Shop, where comics as for everyone http://www.thecomicbookshop.com/
On today's Bulwark Podcast, George Mason University Law School's Adam J. White joins host Charlie Sykes to discuss the growth of executive power, and what precedent President Trump might set if he declares a national emergency to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. Special Guest: Adam J. White.
Nadine Strossen's new book, HATE, dispels misunderstandings plaguing our perennial debates about "hate speech vs. free speech," showing that the First Amendment approach promotes free speech and democracy, equality, and societal harmony.U.S. law allows government to punish hateful or discriminatory speech in specific contexts when it directly causes imminent serious harm, but government may not punish such speech solely because its message is disfavored, disturbing, or vaguely feared to possibly contribute to some future harm. When U.S. officials formerly wielded such broad censorship power, they suppressed dissident speech, including equal rights advocacy. Likewise, current politicians have attacked Black Lives Matter protests as "hate speech.""Hate speech" censorship proponents stress the potential harms such speech might further: discrimination, violence, and psychic injuries. However, there has been little analysis of whether censorship effectively counters the feared injuries. Citing evidence from many countries, Strossen shows that "hate speech" laws are at best ineffective and at worst counterproductive. Their inevitably vague terms invest enforcing officials with broad discretion; predictably, regular targets are minority views and speakers.Therefore, prominent social justice advocates in the U.S. and beyond maintain that the best way to resist hate and promote equality is not censorship, but rather, vigorous "counterspeech" and activism.Nadine Strossen is professor of constitutional law at New York Law School and the first woman national President of the American Civil Liberties Union, where she served from 1991 through 2008. A frequent speaker on constitutional and civil liberties issues, her media appearances include 60 Minutes, CBS Sunday Morning, Today, Good Morning America, and The Daily Show.Strossen will be in conversation with Danielle Citron & Dwight Ellis.Danielle Keats Citron is the Morton & Sophia Macht Professor of Law at the University of Maryland Francis King Carey School of Law where she teaches and writes about information privacy, free expression, and civil rights. Professor Citron is an internationally recognized information privacy expert and the author of the book Hate Crimes in Cyberspace (Harvard University Press) and more than 25 law review articles. Professor Citron is an Affiliate Scholar at the Stanford Center on Internet and Society, Affiliate Fellow at the Yale Information Society Project, and Senior Fellow at the Future of Privacy, a privacy think tank. Professor Citron has advised federal and state legislators, law enforcement, and international lawmakers on privacy and free speech issues. Professor Citron works closely with tech companies on issues involving online safety and privacy. She serves on Twitter’s Trust and Safety Council and has presented her research at Twitter, Facebook, Google, and Microsoft. In addition, Professor Citron is the Chair the Electronic Privacy Information Center’s Board of Directors. She is a member of the American Law Institute and serves as an adviser to the American Law Institute’s Restatement Third Information Privacy Principles Project.An experienced media professional in advancing social equity initiatives and strategies in the realms of government, business and education, Dwight Ellis is in his 11th year as full-time Lecturer in the Communications department of Bowie State University in Maryland and occasional consultant to the U.S. Department of State. Prior to his 25 years as vice president with the National Association of Broadcasters, he served as staff chief to Congresswoman Cardiss Collins (D-IL). A graduate of George Mason University Law School, Ellis’s professional record includes many affiliations, accomplishments, publications and recognitions.Writers LIVE programs are supported in part by The Miss Howard Hubbard Adult Programming Fund.Recorded On: Tuesday, May 8, 2018
Nadine Strossen's new book, HATE, dispels misunderstandings plaguing our perennial debates about "hate speech vs. free speech," showing that the First Amendment approach promotes free speech and democracy, equality, and societal harmony.U.S. law allows government to punish hateful or discriminatory speech in specific contexts when it directly causes imminent serious harm, but government may not punish such speech solely because its message is disfavored, disturbing, or vaguely feared to possibly contribute to some future harm. When U.S. officials formerly wielded such broad censorship power, they suppressed dissident speech, including equal rights advocacy. Likewise, current politicians have attacked Black Lives Matter protests as "hate speech.""Hate speech" censorship proponents stress the potential harms such speech might further: discrimination, violence, and psychic injuries. However, there has been little analysis of whether censorship effectively counters the feared injuries. Citing evidence from many countries, Strossen shows that "hate speech" laws are at best ineffective and at worst counterproductive. Their inevitably vague terms invest enforcing officials with broad discretion; predictably, regular targets are minority views and speakers.Therefore, prominent social justice advocates in the U.S. and beyond maintain that the best way to resist hate and promote equality is not censorship, but rather, vigorous "counterspeech" and activism.Nadine Strossen is professor of constitutional law at New York Law School and the first woman national President of the American Civil Liberties Union, where she served from 1991 through 2008. A frequent speaker on constitutional and civil liberties issues, her media appearances include 60 Minutes, CBS Sunday Morning, Today, Good Morning America, and The Daily Show.Strossen will be in conversation with Danielle Citron & Dwight Ellis.Danielle Keats Citron is the Morton & Sophia Macht Professor of Law at the University of Maryland Francis King Carey School of Law where she teaches and writes about information privacy, free expression, and civil rights. Professor Citron is an internationally recognized information privacy expert and the author of the book Hate Crimes in Cyberspace (Harvard University Press) and more than 25 law review articles. Professor Citron is an Affiliate Scholar at the Stanford Center on Internet and Society, Affiliate Fellow at the Yale Information Society Project, and Senior Fellow at the Future of Privacy, a privacy think tank. Professor Citron has advised federal and state legislators, law enforcement, and international lawmakers on privacy and free speech issues. Professor Citron works closely with tech companies on issues involving online safety and privacy. She serves on Twitter’s Trust and Safety Council and has presented her research at Twitter, Facebook, Google, and Microsoft. In addition, Professor Citron is the Chair the Electronic Privacy Information Center’s Board of Directors. She is a member of the American Law Institute and serves as an adviser to the American Law Institute’s Restatement Third Information Privacy Principles Project.An experienced media professional in advancing social equity initiatives and strategies in the realms of government, business and education, Dwight Ellis is in his 11th year as full-time Lecturer in the Communications department of Bowie State University in Maryland and occasional consultant to the U.S. Department of State. Prior to his 25 years as vice president with the National Association of Broadcasters, he served as staff chief to Congresswoman Cardiss Collins (D-IL). A graduate of George Mason University Law School, Ellis’s professional record includes many affiliations, accomplishments, publications and recognitions.Writers LIVE programs are supported in part by The Miss Howard Hubbard Adult Programming Fund.
An article today entitled, "Baby boomers who refuse to sell are dominating the housing market." Professor Frank Buckley of George Mason University Law School, and author of "The Way Back: Restoring the Promise of America" on the rise of the Republican working class.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Professor Frank Buckley of George Mason University Law School, and author of "The Way Back: Restoring the Promise of America" on the rise of the Republican working class.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
This week on What Doesn’t Kill You, host Katy Keiffer brings us an intriguing phone conversation with Baylen J. Linnekin, food lawyer and an adjunct professor at George Mason University Law School, where he developed and teaches Food Law & Policy. His new book, Biting the Hands that Feed Us, calls for less food regulations in our school lunch program, addressing four major areas where he believes government interference is getting in the way.
This week on What Doesn’t Kill You, host Katy Keiffer brings us an intriguing phone conversation with Baylen J. Linnekin, food lawyer and an adjunct professor at George Mason University Law School, where he developed and teaches Food Law & Policy. His new book, Biting the Hands that Feed Us, calls for less food regulations in our school lunch program, addressing four major areas where he believes government interference is getting in the way.
Following the Great Recession of 2007-2008, regulators jumped at the opportunity to "remedy" (i.e., regulate) perceived market failures in credit markets. Although government-sponsored enterprises like Fannie Mae were responsible for many of the bad loans that created the crisis, politicians alleged it was the free market and payday lending that needed to be reined in. The 2011 Dodd-Frank Act increased regulators' responsibilities, and even gave rise to a new agency ? the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. As the first appointee of the agency's "Consumer Advisory Board," Elizabeth Warren became known as a savior of sorts for victims of so-called "predatory lending." But do these laws, bureaus, and advisory boards protect or harm consumers? In this episode, Bob's guest is George Mason University Law School professor Todd Zywicki, one of Warren's most knowledgeable and outspoken critics. Zywicki and his co-authors recently finished a detailed study on this topic, "Consumer Credit and the American Economy." Listen to learn how the public has been misled about the costs, benefits, uses, and abuses of consumer debt. ----Update [10/19/14]: Todd Zywicki writes a post at the Volokh Conspiracy blog about the NYT Editorial on capping interest rates on consumer credit brought up by Bob and his caller during the show.Click here to read Todd's commentary.Click here to read the NYT Editorial, "A Rate Cap for All Consumer Loans", published 10/18/14.
Todd Zywicki, of George Mason University Law School, talks with EconTalk host Russ Roberts about the evolving world of consumer debt and how institutions and public policy have influenced consumer access to debt and credit. Zywicki defends consumer credit as a crucial benefit to consumers and that innovation has made credit cheaper and more effective. He also talks about how misleading it can be to look at only one piece or another of credit picture. The conversation concludes with a discussion of the evolution of bankruptcy law in the United States.
Todd Zywicki, of George Mason University Law School, talks with EconTalk host Russ Roberts about the evolving world of consumer debt and how institutions and public policy have influenced consumer access to debt and credit. Zywicki defends consumer credit as a crucial benefit to consumers and that innovation has made credit cheaper and more effective. He also talks about how misleading it can be to look at only one piece or another of credit picture. The conversation concludes with a discussion of the evolution of bankruptcy law in the United States.