Podcast appearances and mentions of Charlie Sykes

The GOP hates on young parents & babies just to make Dems look bad & they're fine with terrorism...Are Republicans starting to see through the perpetual election lies & extremism? Crazy Alert! DeSantis' press secretary ‘duped' by fake story about ‘homophobic dog' on International Day Against Homophobia. Host of the "Mueller, She Wrote Podcast" and Navy vet Allison Gill explains how overturning Roe would be disastrous for the US Military. Geeky Science! Scientists finally did a study to see if taking 10,000 steps a day actually matters & here's what they found. Jan 6th committee Now Investigating Capitol "Reconnaissance" Tour By GOP Lawmaker - Treason? Domestic Terrorism? Has Conservative Charlie Sykes found the "Achilles Heel" for the GOP.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

When 200+ Republicans nix a domestic terror bill, maybe it's time to point out they aren't the party of law & order. Plus, CPAC in Hungary, Dems have golden tickets they're not using — and Better Call Saul or Breaking Bad? Tim Miller joins Charlie Sykes for the weekend podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nicolle Wallace discusses the Jan. 6th panel's request for testimony from a GOP congressman who allegedly led tours of the Capitol the day before the insurrection. Plus, election lies shape the midterms, a bill to fight domestic terror, conservatives embrace Hungary's Orbán, Oklahoma's abortion ban, and a new aid package for Ukraine. Joined by: Jackie Alemany, Harry Litman, Yamiche Alcindor, Charlie Sykes, Eddie Glaude, John Brennan, Carol Leonnig, Dan Goldman, Rick Stengel, Mark McKinnon, Mara Gay, and Cal Perry

Roe has been vulnerable because it's been about individual rights, and not the scope of government power — which was the focus of the Framers. Law professor Kim Wehle makes the case for keeping the government out of certain spheres of life. Today's podcast with Charlie Sykes. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Doug Mastriano won because he made clear he's ready to use the power of the state to steal an election, Republicans find 'replacement theory' useful, and D'Souza admits he has no evidence. Philip Bump joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Conspiracy politics are turning evangelicals against each other as the Church becomes increasingly radicalized — an unraveling that went into overdrive during the shutdown. Tim Alberta joins Charlie Sykes today to discuss the war for the soul of the Church. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Democrats are wrapped up in emotion in a post-Roe world, pushing facepalm-inducing messaging and a loser bill. We're here to help. Plus, Esper, Mattis, McMaster, and Kelly failed in their duty. Tom Nichols joins Charlie Sykes for the weekend podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tucker has become the high priest of Trumpism, but he's also the host of what may be the most racist show in the history of television. He teaches fear and loathing every single night. Nick Confessore joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nicolle Wallace discusses attorney John Eastman's efforts to keep Trump in power. Plus, former Attorney General Eric Holder calls on the DOJ to indict Trump, Democrats' abortion bill fails in the Senate, the liability of defending democracy, Trump's candidate loses in Nebraska, Florida's CRT hoax, and Ukraine's first war crimes trial.Joined by: Jackie Alemany, Neal Katyal, Charlie Sykes, Eric Holder, Cecile Richards, Frank Figliuzzi, Joyce Vance, Rick Stengel, Matthew Dowd, Errin Haines, and Cal Perry

McConnell's long history of deception means his promise to not end the filibuster to pass a national abortion ban is worthless. Plus, the potential SCOTUS ruling is such an earthquake, it'd be beyond the Democrats' ability to screw it up. Dana Milbank joins Charlie Sykes today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Will Hurd thinks there are enough normal Republicans out there to back a presidential candidate who works in the middle and across party lines. The former congressman joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ukrainian cities prepare for an escalation of Russian attacks ahead of Victory Day on Monday. It comes as Pres. Biden signs off on a new $150 million weapons package for Ukraine. Meantime, First Lady Jill Biden spends Mother's Day weekend visiting troops and meeting Ukrainian refugees in Eastern Europe. Plus, Democrats plan their next moves to protect abortion rights after the draft opinion leak of Roe v. Wade. And actor Terry Crews talks about masculinity and how he's redefining what tough means in his new book. Peter Baker, Michael McFaul, Gen. Barry McCaffrey, Amb. Oksana Markarova, Betsy Woodruff Swan, Charlie Sykes and Terry Crews join.

Nicolle Wallace discusses Rudy Giuliani's cancelled interview with the Jan. 6th panel. Plus, Sen. Graham fawns over Trump in new audio, Congress' hopes to codify abortion rights, Ukrainians' fight for their freedom, Esper alleges Trump suggested launching missiles into Mexico, state lawmakers push back against extremism, and concerns about digital privacy amid anti-abortion legislation. Joined by: Jackie Alemany, Charlie Sykes, Harry Litman, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Rev. Al Sharpton, Amb. William Taylor, Gen. Barry McCaffrey, John Brennan, Shevrin Jones, Mallory McMorrow, and Tatum Hunter

No, letting states resolve abortion rights won't lower the temperature. Plus, Trump is strangely silent on the SCOTUS news, why didn't Esper say anything before the election, and what is Pompeo up to in the PA Senate race? Bill Kristol joins Charlie Sykes for the weekend podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Once Putin accepts he's losing, there's a real risk he'll use WMDs. Put him on notice that he would be crossing a red line, and can expect a response. Plus, drones are the future of warfare — the US must lead the world in that technology. Adam Kinzinger joins Charlie Sykes today. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Republican voters are right where Trump is — they too want to see the judiciary undermined, and checks and balances ignored. And they only want politicians who hunger for the fight. Meanwhile, party leaders are on defense over Roe. A.B. Stoddard joins Charlie Sykes today. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Supreme Court is poised to overrule Roe after reaffirming abortion rights for nearly 50 years. This would mean a free-for-all in the states, and a fresh election narrative for Democrats. Other privacy rights, like gay marriage, may be next. Ben Wittes joins Charlie Sykes today. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A new generic congressional ballot poll shows Republicans may be losing ground ahead of the midterms. Plus, Tucker Carlson's racism, JP Mandel, JD Mandel and the real guy, Vance, who's proud to campaign with Marjorie Taylor Greene. Will Saletan is back with Charlie Sykes for the Charlie and Will Monday podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Russian media is deliberately undermining the truth, which helps explain the inhuman behavior of its troops in Ukraine. Meanwhile, Zelensky is the anti-Putin Everyman who's changing the image of Ukraine in the eyes of the world. Anne Applebaum joins Charlie Sykes on the weekend podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

Face it: Republicans are so much better at politics. Democrats stick to the moral high ground while Republicans focus on winning by any means necessary. Plus, Elon Musk is a crony capitalist, and the knives are out for Kevin McCarthy. Lucy Caldwell joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

DeSantis' anti-gay agenda is all about winning over the conservative entertainment wing, Musk paid the GDP of Paraguay for a company with the gross revenues of the Olive Garden, and we need to start planning the rebuilding of Ukraine now. David Frum joins Charlie Sykes today. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

Nicolle Wallace discusses the future of disinformation following Elon Musk's Twitter purchase. Plus, texts from GOP members of Congress on Jan. 6th, Russia warns of nuclear war, and brand new audio reveals Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy's fears about his party following the insurrection.Joined by: Carol Leonnig, Neal Katyal, Max Boot, Donny Deutsch, Amb. William Taylor, Gen. Barry McCaffrey, Rep. Eric Swalwell, Jake Sherman, Kim Atkins Stohr, and Charlie Sykes

What's Musk going to do to Twitter? Plus, Greg Abbott's costly border performance, San Francisco's become too woke for Democrats, and Kevin McCarthy is not only groveling, he's denying he had a flash of decency. Will Saletan is back with Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

Chef Andrés' World Central Kitchen has set up a sprawling network of cafes and food distribution sites in and around Ukraine. En route to the outskirts of Mariupol, Andrés tells Charlie Sykes he sees the will of the Ukrainian people in every corner, and talks of his mission to make food an agent of change. Don't miss today's podcast. Help support World Central Kitchen here: https://donate.wck.org/team/423917 Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

Newly released audio captures Rep. Kevin McCarthy telling GOP lawmakers former Pres. Trump acknowledged that he bore “some responsibility” for what happened on Jan. 6th. Meantime, Rep. Jamie Raskin says the upcoming 1/6 hearings will “really blow the roof off the House.” Plus, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene says she can't remember if she urged Trump to impose martial law in a court hearing determining whether she can run for reelection. And incumbent Emmanuel Macron will face far-right nationalist Marine Le Pen for the French presidency this weekend.Nicholas Wu, Joyce Vance, Charlie Sykes, Peter Baker, Amb. William Taylor, Amb. Gerard Araud and Jon Meacham join.

McCarthy thought he was rid of Trump after Jan 6, but he didn't have the backbone to stand up to him. And Mitch is just as guilty. Plus: JD Vance's post-constitutionalism, and calling DeSantis' Disney vengeance campaign for what it is: "Socialism." Tim Miller joins Charlie Sykes on the weekend podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

Nicolle Wallace discusses GOP leaders' private admonishment of Trump after January 6th. Plus, Trump and Pence's final phone call, fighting rages in eastern Ukraine, DeSantis vs. Disney, Obama takes on disinformation, and the high stakes presidential race in France.Joined by: Betsy Woodruff Swan, Claire McCaskill, Charlie Sykes, Harry Litman, Rep. Jim Himes, Helene Cooper, Julia Ioffe, Ali Arouzi, Sam Stein, Jason Johnson, and Keir Simmons

Don't let your last words be, "I'm such an idiot." Plus, the Biden administration should better explain how we got to this Covid recovery period. Juliette Kayyem joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

Both Democrats and Republicans agree on only one thing, but it isn't even true: that whites and people of color are splitting into two opposing voting blocs. It's driving panic on the right, and triumphalism on the left. Yascha Mounk joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

Nicolle Wallace discusses Trump allies' ongoing and baseless attempts to decertify the 2020 election. Plus, the war in Ukraine enters a new phase, a federal judge overturns the public transit mask mandate, Tucker Carlson's fear mongering on manhood in America, Florida rejects math textbooks, and a challenge to Marjorie Taylor Greene's re-election bid. Joined by: Jackie Alemany, Charlie Sykes, Mike Schmidt, Amb. Michael McFaul, Dr. Kavita Patel, Franco Ordonez, Peter Strzok, Katty Kay, Rep. Mikie Sherrill, Kim Atkins Stohr, and Jonathan Lemire

By making so many endorsements, Donald Trump is turning himself into a factional leader rather a leader of his party; Plus: Why do both party's pursue losing strategies? American Enterprise Institute's Yuval Levin joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. Want to listen without ads? Bulwark+ members get access to an exclusive, ad-free version of The Bulwark Podcast. Learn more here: https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/how-do-i-add-a-bulwark-member-only?s=w

Tucker Carlson's hyper-masculinity flex, Mike Lee's coup scheming texts, and the Biden administration's chill on Covid. Plus, Will Saletan and Charlie Sykes have a radical disagreement about how much we're arming Ukraine. Today's edition of Charlie and Will Monday. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

There's a secret cabal that's trying to control us — they're lying to you, and they're communists. Sound familiar? No, it's not QAnon. It's the John Birch Society. Our culture wars aren't new — they just get recycled. Robert Tracinski joins Charlie Sykes on this weekend's podcast. Want to listen without ads? Bulwark+ members get exclusive access to an ad-free version of the podcast. Learn more here: https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/how-do-i-add-a-bulwark-member-only?s=w

Some of Dianne Feinstein's colleagues say she's no longer fit to serve. Meanwhile, McConnell's backing a candidate in Georgia who's not prepared to take a major vote in the Senate. Plus: Ukraine, Biden, and the PA governors' race. Amanda Carpenter joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

Like Hitler and Mussolini before him, Putin's acting with hubris and arrogance because he's been in power for too long. And to save face, he'll likely escalate his terror tactics in Ukraine. Today, the amorality of strongmen — including Trump. Ruth Ben-Ghiat joins Charlie Sykes. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

The parts of the Republican Party that see Trump as a political liability are setting Ron DeSantis up as a MAGA alternative. And that includes the Murdoch empire, which is cranking out DeSantis propaganda night and day. Jonathan Chait joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. Bulwark+ members can access an ad-free version of this show and carry on the conservation we started today over on the site at https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/. Try a Bulwark+ membership FREE for the next 30 days at thebulwark.com/charlie.

Nicolle Wallace discusses the possibility of a Trump criminal referral from the Jan. 6th committee. Plus, Putin's attempt to meddle in American politics, a new phase of war in Ukraine, Biden's takes action on “ghost guns,” and Jared Kushner's business dealings with the Saudi Crown Prince.Joined by: Jackie Alemany, Harry Litman, Mike Schmidt, Katty Kay, Ben Rhodes, Charlie Sykes, Gen. Barry McCaffrey, Amb. Ivo Daalder, Ali Arouzi, Fred Guttenberg, Frank Figliuzzi, and Kate Kelly

A missile strike in eastern Ukraine killed at least 50 people awaiting the train to escape. Meantime, a Proud Boys leader pleads guilty to charges related to Jan. 6th. Plus, the White House celebrates the historic confirmation of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson. Michael McFaul, Adm. James Stavridis, Eugene Daniels, Tali Farhadian Weinstein, Charlie Sykes, Jean Guerrero and Rick Noack join.

McConnell calling out Trump for January 6 had nothing to do with morals. Also on the weekend podcast: Republicans are corruptly aiding Trump's latest failed business, and widening their campaign to demonize gay people. Plus, Tim Miller and Charlie Sykes have book recs! An ad-free version of The Bulwark Podcast is available exclusively to members of Bulwark+. Learn more here: https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/account/add-podcast

When one-third of the House GOP is voting against NATO, McCarthy's lost control. Meanwhile CPAC will meet in Budapest, in an SNL skit come-to-life. Plus, how to stop Putin — and "globo-homo' lands in the lexicon. Tom Nichols joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. An ad-free version of The Bulwark Podcast is available exclusively to members of Bulwark+. Learn more here: https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/account/add-podcast

The Democrats are the more sane party, but their self-inflicted wounds have created the most favorable Republican environment since 2010. National Journal's Josh Kraushaar joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. An ad-free version of The Bulwark Podcast is available exclusively to members of Bulwark+. Learn more here: https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/account/add-podcast

Polls show independents think Democrats are condescending and out of touch. The best way to blow up the caricature? Go on Fox News and talk to them. Pete Buttigieg campaign alum Lis Smith joins Charlie Sykes today with some advice for the midterms. An ad-free version of The Bulwark Podcast is available exclusively to members of Bulwark+. Learn more here: https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/account/add-podcast

After Bucha, Russia has to be defeated, and Putin's removal from power has to be a part of it. Plus, paleo-cons on Orbán, the return of Palin, and the war on Disney. Bill Kristol joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. An ad-free version of The Bulwark Podcast is available exclusively to members of Bulwark+. Learn more here: https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/account/add-podcast

"Don't Say Gay" is giving panhandle Karens permission to spout anti-gay and anti-transgender rhetoric, and kids are feeling afraid. Plus, the media's fail on Hunter's laptop and Trump's aid and comfort to a military foe. Tim Miller's back with Charlie Sykes on this weekend's podcast. An ad-free version of The Bulwark Podcast is available exclusively to members of Bulwark+. Learn more here: https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/account/add-podcast

Nicolle Wallace discusses the DOJ's widening inquiry into January 6th. Plus, Ukrainian cities remain under attack, Biden's plan to reduce gas prices, the battle to protect democracy, Rep. McCarthy rebukes a young Republican congressman for his latest comments, and Russians' views of the war.Joined by: Rep. Elaine Luria, Katie Benner, Neal Katyal, Michael Steele, Ali Arouzi, Julia Ioffe, Ron Klain, Anne Applebaum, Charlie Sykes, Katty Kay, and Anton Troianovski

Georgia is the new epicenter of American politics after flipping the Senate and helping give Biden the White House. Have Georgia Democrats figured out a winning formula? Greg Bluestein joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. An ad-free version of The Bulwark Podcast is available exclusively to members of Bulwark+. Learn more here: https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/account/add-podcast

The Supreme Court's recusal standard isn't just for a concrete conflict of interest. It's also for the appearance of a conflict, and Justice Thomas is clearly in that zone. Plus, the never-ending story of the people who won't tell Trump "No." Adam White joins Charlie Sykes today. An ad-free version of The Bulwark Podcast is available exclusively to members of Bulwark+. Learn more here: https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/account/add-podcast

The West had begun to take liberal democracy for granted. Then came the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Is it a turning point? Francis Fukuyama joins Charlie Sykes on today's podcast. An ad-free version of The Bulwark Podcast is available exclusively to members of Bulwark+. Learn more here: https://bulwarkpodcast.thebulwark.com/account/add-podcast

President Biden is standing by his comment, during a speech in Poland over the weekend, where he said Putin “cannot remain in power.” Meantime, a new round of peace talks get underway as President Zelenskyy says he is willing to discuss neutral status with Russia. Plus, the Jan. 6th committee recommends former Trump aides Peter Navarro and Dan Scavino face contempt charges for not complying with subpoenas. Amb. Michael McFaul, Lt. Gen. Steph Twitty, Katie Benner, Chuck Rosenberg, Yamiche Alcindor and Charlie Sykes join.

Vox's Jamil Smith talks with Charlie Sykes — journalist, author, stalwart "never Trumper," and a founder and editor-at-large of The Bulwark. They talk about the Republican response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the attraction of some self-professed conservatives to Vladimir Putin, the efforts by Republican lawmakers to ban books and topics from schools, and the devolution of conservative values within the post-Trump GOP. Host: Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith), Senior Correspondent, Vox Guest: Charlie Sykes (@SykesCharlie), editor-at-large, The Bulwark References:  "Madison Cawthorn calls Ukraine government 'evil,' Zelenskyy 'a thug'" (WRAL.com; March 10) How The Right Lost Its Mind by Charles J. Sykes (St. Martins; 2017) "Florida's Ron DeSantis's CPAC speech champions pro-Covid policies" by Zeeshan Aleem (MSNBC Opinion; Feb. 25) "Trump-endorsed candidates struggling to raise money" by Josh Kraushaar (National Journal; Feb. 2) "Mitt Romney warns of 'extraordinary challenge' in preserving democracy" by Martin Pengelly (The Guardian; March 15) Enjoyed this episode? Rate Vox Conversations ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of Vox Conversations by subscribing in your favorite podcast app. Support Vox Conversations by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts This episode was made by:  Producer: Erikk Geannikis Editor: Amy Drozdowska Engineer: Cristian Ayala Deputy Editorial Director, Vox Talk: Amber Hall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices