Podcast appearances and mentions of katrina marie

In this episode, our guest sexologist Katrina Marie, delves into topics such as sexual pleasure, kink, and the psychological and physical aspects of sexual desire. The conversation also touches upon the challenges and stress of maintaining intimacy while trying to conceive, strategies for improving one's sexual experience, and the societal pressures and trauma associated with sexual health. The episode emphasizes the need for communication, self-exploration, and creating an environment conducive to intimacy. Anne's Instagram @energytreeanne Katrina Marie @myorgasmiclife 00:00 Welcome Fans! 05:38 Understanding Libido and Desire 11:11 Challenges and Pressures in Sexual Relationships 17:34 Exploring Solutions and Intimacy 25:21 Creating Safety and Intimacy 32:57 Navigating Sexual Intimacy 35:59 Challenges in Fertility and Relationships 41:20 Exploring Sexual Preferences and Intimacy 49:36 Understanding Kink and Sensory Experiences 59:02 Healing Trauma and Reclaiming

Have you ever wanted to hang out naked with a bunch of other women and just laugh and eat snacks? Then you will love Katrina.

“Trauma informed” Kundalini Yoga may sound like an oxymoron. Today, we unpack why and what to do about it. I'm joined by Uplifted Lead Teacher Trainer, E-RYT 500+  Katrina Marie, who has a background in biological sciences, somatics, and a deep love of yoga, especially Kundalini. She is the author of a meditative trauma healing journal for women, a virtual and local studio owner, and one of our very own lead teacher trainers on all three of our Uplifted trainings. Get ready to learn:

  Please hit Subscribe/Follow: Check out our website:Click here to Go to the 222 Webpage Click here to Save on high-end Clothing Click here to go to Joe's book Mystical as Tarot Cards are, so is our guest Katrina Marie. Her famous tarot readings take her to an unknown realm as she will explain in our interview. She shares her own near-death experiences that will leave you in shock as well as her triumphant story of overcoming some great personal hurdles.  Most popularly used tools of divination in the world today. While not as simple as some other methods, like pendulums or tea leaves, the Tarot has drawn people into its magic for centuries. Today, cards are available to purchase in hundreds of different designs. There is a Tarot deck for just about any practitioner, no matter where his or her interests may lie. Whether you're a fan of Lord of the Rings or baseball, whether you love zombies or are interested in the writings of Jane Austen, you name it, there's probably a deck out there for you to choose. Although methods of reading the Tarot have changed over the years, and many readers adopt their own unique style to the traditional meanings of a layout, in general, the cards themselves haven't changed much. Lets look at some of the early decks of Tarot cards, and the history of how these came to be used as more than just a parlor game.   Tarot as Divination In both France and Italy, the original purpose of Tarot was as a parlor game, not as a divinatory tool. It appears that divination with playing cards started to become popular in the late sixteenth and early seventeenth century, although at that time, it was far simpler than the way we use Tarot today. By the eighteenth century, however, people were beginning to assign specific meanings to each card, and even offer suggestions as to how they could be laid out for divinatory purposes.   The 222 Paranormal Podcast is available everywhere you get your podcast. Your Host Brother and sister Joe and Jennifer Shortridge bring you interesting paranormal topics every week. They cover everything from Ghost, Bigfoot, UFOs, and Creatures from beyond. They also cover Near Death Experiences and the After-life.

Welcome to Romance Happy Hour! Hostesses Dylann Crush & Dawn Luedecke chat with romance authors Katrina Marie and Kaci Rose! This episode was recorded on February 23, 2023. To find out more about Romance Happy Hour and sign up for our newsletter, visit our website at: https://www.romancehappyhour.com/​​​. Or our Facebook page at: https://www.facebook.com/RomanceHappyHour To learn more about Dawn Luedecke: https://www.dawnluedeckebooks.com/​​​​ Dylann Crush: http://dylanncrush.com/​​​​ And to learn more about our featured authors: https://www.romancehappyhour.com/category/authors Take us with you wherever you go by subscribing to the Romance Happy Hour podcast at your favorite podcast app! If you enjoyed the show, please leave us a review… we'd appreciate it! Thanks for joining us and we hope you'll come back next time!

Episode Show Notes In this episode we cover:  First lines Using secrets in fiction Making settings a character How Ruby wrote A Game of Hearts and Heists  This week's question is: Tell me about a moment in your life you'll never forget. Babies and marriages aside. Recommendation of the week is: Profit First: Transform Your Business from a Cash-Eating Monster to a Money-Making Machine by Mike Michalowicz Apple Kobo Amazon UK Amazon USA ***this show uses affiliate links Links I mentioned: Order A Game of Hearts and Heists Find out more about JJ: Author Website Socials @thejjarias    Rebel of the Week is: Dorian Tsukioka If you'd like to be a Rebel of the week please do send in your story, it can be any kind of rebellion. You can email your rebel story to rebelauthorpodcast@gmail.com 2 new patrons this week, welcome and thank you to Ryan and Katrina Marie. A big thank you to my existing patrons as well. If you'd like to support the show, and get early access to all the episodes as well as bonus content you can from as little as $2 a month by visiting: www.patreon.com/sachablack   

Well that was F%&ing fun!!! This was a re-recording. We recorded the initial episode a little less than a week ago and then Katrina, of My Orgasmic Life, reached out to say "Hey, that wasn't my best. Can we do it again?!" ... to which I replied, ABSOLUTELY. Healthy-ish work is about connecting to process and trusting that when you're enjoying yourself and doing what feels good that the outcome will be the best possible outcome ...and I wanted to follow that process here on the podcast - giving Katrina and I time to re-record in order to give you the best show possible. High fives to that! In this episode we talk about: process and who we used to be (ie Jill was a type-A, box ticker, not an enjoyer) being a boundary bitch, specifically when it comes to your body (script to use with your grandma included!) pleasure anxiety - what it is and how it gets in the way sexual storytelling the parallels between sex, food and money how to be sensual in a world that's demanding and exhausting breaking down societal norms... and then reclaiming what you love both of our current, favourite, sensuality practices Find Katrina's Sensory Smörgåsbord (a weekly curation of sensory delights) HERE: https://www.katrinamarie.com/ The Healthy-ish Holiday Starter Guide HERE: www.foodfreedombodylove.com/healthyishstarterguide --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/foodfreedombodylove/message

Episode Show Notes In this episode we cover:  Definitions of best seller How to look at comparisonitis differently Examples of deconstruction  The what, why and how of reading What to look for when deconstructing This week's question is: What best seller will you deconstruct after listening to this episode? Recommendation of the week is: The Anatomy of a Best Seller Universal Link Buy Direct Apple Kobo Amazon UK Amazon USA ***this show uses affiliate links   Rebel of the Week is: Kate Rice If you'd like to be a Rebel of the week please do send in your story, it can be any kind of rebellion. You can email your rebel story to rebelauthorpodcast@gmail.com 4 new patrons this week, welcome and thank you to Katrina Marie, Mackenzie Alexander, Shirley Day and Sparky Hazard. A big thank you to my existing patrons as well. If you'd like to support the show, and get early access to all the episodes as well as bonus content you can from as little as $2 a month by visiting: www.patreon.com/sachablack This Show is Sponsored by ProWritingAid Get 20% off using Sacha's link. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram  

International sexual empowerment coach and crusader of self-love & seduction Katrina Marie joins the Pleasure Rebels this week to discuss using masturbation as a tool for transformational self-care! Katrina explains the "boundary bitch" archetype and how to feel and connect to your internal emotions, all while diving into your eco-sexuality.  Katrina Marie - @myorgasmiclife KatrinaMarie.com Dr. Betty Dodson AER by Dame Products Make Love Not Porn Annie Sprinkle + Elizabeth Stevens Our Host: @mskelgee Brand Site: HotOctopuss.com   Use code REBEL20 for 20% your Hot Octopuss purchase!

Sexual empowerment coach Katrina Marie works with women from all over the globe to recreate their most foundational relationship: the one with themselves.She describes herself as a crusader of self-love and self seduction. She helps people shed sexual shame and pleasure anxiety. Katrina carries on the legacy of Dr. Betty Dodson, facilitating Bodysex workshops all around the world.Timestamps:What is a sexual empowerment coach? (3:12)The challenges women face in identifying their self-worth (8:00)Sexuality and being a mother (17:06)Menstruation shame (28:28)Your biggest challenges in building your business (33:00)The importance of self-care (42:58)Katrina's Inspirational Alpha Woman (45:09)Notes:Podcast researcher Anvi SethiSign up to Alpha Woman Co at: https://alphawomanco.comSponsorship inquiries email: hello@alphawomanco.comFollow us on social media @alphawomanco

We have the amazing and inspiring Katrina Marie back for another chat about finding pleasure in life--this time through ecosexuality. Tune in to hear what ecosexuality is, how we can truly learn to experience pleasure in nature and everyday life, and all about Katrina's new course, Ecosexual. Get your Intuitive Eating Podcast Guide here!  SPONSORS: Womanizer Premium Eco - FYC5 for 5% Off at womanizer.com Good Juju - RACHELM10 to save 10% off first order of Laundry Strips at hellogoodjuju.com Dive into the full show notes here!  

Maria Juzwin (a Women's Heart Guide) and Katrina Marie (a Sex Coach and Body Sex Facilitator) interview the author of the book "Deeper Dating". In this season finale, Ken Page shares valuable advice on dating during COVID, online dating, coping with the fears of partnership, and so much more!  A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approach dating from a conscious perspective.Podcast feedback formMaria's 1:1 Fully Unleashed ProgramDeeperDating.comGet the Deeper Dating bookKen Page's InstagramMaria's InstagramMaria's WebsiteKatrina Marie's InstagramKatrina's Website

“Don't worry, Daddy. I'll make you famous again.” Horror host Travis introduces our hardcore friend Katrina Marie to Scott Derrickson's 2012 insta-classic Sinister. Watch this unsettling flick and listen up! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/horror-fying-my-friends/support

Sarah Britton of @mynewroots so graciously agreed to be on the podcast today to talk about her BodySex experience (a 10-hour nude masturbation workshop hosted by Katrina Marie of @myorgasmiclife). Get the scoop about what happens at this all-women, nude masturbation workshop, what Sarah's experience was like (including what turns her on), and why both of us wish it was something every woman could experience. Get your Intuitive Way For Eating Podcast Guide here! SPONSOR: Womanizer: Save 5% off your purchase of the Womanizer Duo with code “FYC5” at womanizer.com.   Dive into the full show notes here!

Maria Juzwin (a Women's Heart Guide) and Katrina Marie (a Sex Coach and Body Sex Facilitator) cover Chapter 12 of the book "Deeper Dating" by Ken Page. In this last episode of the series, they go over their biggest lessons from the book, as well as what dating someone twice your age is like, stomach sexual play, and the similarities between dating and buying a pair of jeans that don't fit. A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approach dating from a conscious perspective.Take Yourself On A Hot Date GuideMaria's Instagram Maria's WebsiteKatrina Marie's InstagramKatrina's WebsiteGet the Deeper Dating bookKen Page's InstagramDying for Sex Podcast

Maria Juzwin (a Women's Heart Guide) and Katrina Marie (a Sex Coach and Body Sex Facilitator) cover Chapter 11 of the book "Deeper Dating" by Ken Page. In this episode, they go over the how-tos of cultivating attraction with the right person for you.A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approach dating from a conscious perspectiveDeepen Into You Discovery CallMaria's Instagram Maria's WebsiteKatrina Marie's InstagramVisit Katrina's WebsiteGet the Deeper Dating book

Maria Juzwin (a Women's Heart Guide) and Katrina Marie (a Sex Coach and Body Sex Facilitator) cover Chapter 10 of the book "Deeper Dating" by Ken Page. In this episode, they go over the challenges that come up in the in-between stage of being single and being with a long-term partner.A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approach dating from a conscious perspective. The Take Yourself On A Hot Date GuideMaria Juzwin's InstagramVisit Maria's WebsiteKatrina Marie's InstagramVisit Katrina's WebsiteGet the Deeper Dating book

This past January 2020, I committed to having the best sex of my life, both with myself and romantic partners. Up until then, sex was *good*, but I always felt like it could be better; that maybe there was more. Much not to my surprise, there really was so much more I had to discover – and will forever continue to discover. In this episode we discuss: Why I set out with this mission in 2020 Shedding shame and pleasure anxiety Questioning my sexuality (and exploring it) Consent is hot Learning to communicate my needs, wants, desires The key ingredient that helped me to have my first orgasm with a romantic partner The Womanizer vibrator and why every woman needs one Bodysex: my personal experience Bodysex reflections: genital show & tell, erotic recess, group massage and more   My biggest fear going into Bodysex and what happened with that fear  NOTE: In this episode, I share my experiencing partaking in the in-person Bodysex workshop. While this occurred during the pandemic, please know, safety precautions were taken throughout the workshop to protect the health and safety of participants. THANKS TO OUR SPONSOR, Made With Local Made With Local makes the most delicious, nourishing Real Food Bars (granola bars) and Granola Bar Mix, which can be turned into a variety of kid and family-friendly snacks that can be safe for school, too! Use "RACHEL20" at checkout over on madewithlocal.com to save 20% off at checkout. GET ON THE WAITLIST The Intuitive Way For Eating Fall 2020 program is well under way, but enrolment for January 2021 will be opening before you know it! Get on the waitlist by clicking here to be the first to receive details when it opens.  Resources: FYC Podcast Episode ft. Kathryn Ducey FYC Podcast Episode ft. Katrina Marie (@myorgasmiclife) Bodysex with Katrina Marie Bodysex on Goop ft. Dr. Betty Dodson Magic Wand (this is the vibrator we used in Bodysex) Barbell by Betty Dodson (also used in Bodysex for penetration)

Maria Juzwin (a Women's Heart Guide) and Katrina Marie (a Sex Coach and Body Sex facilitator) explore Chapter 9 of the book "Deeper Dating" by Ken Page. In this episode, we talk about the ways in which you might be sabotaging new love, how to recognize the signs and choose differently.A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approaching their dating lives from a conscious perspective. Maria's One-on-One Fully Unleashed ProgramMaria Juzwin's InstagramVisit Maria's WebsiteKatrina Marie's InstagramVisit Katrina's WebsiteGet the Deeper Dating book

Maria Juzwin (a Women's Heart Guide) and Katrina Marie (a Sex Coach and Body Sex facilitator) explore Chapter 8 of the book "Deeper Dating" by Ken Page. In this episode, we share about the where and how of meeting your match, as well as the topic of obligatory sex, the impact of resentment on the libido, and how differently the masculine and feminine relate.A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approaching their dating lives from a conscious perspective. Maria Juzwin's InstagramVisit Maria's WebsiteKatrina Marie's InstagramVisit Katrina's WebsiteGet the Deeper Dating book

In this episode, we have an amazing guest, Ashley Manta a.k.a. the CannaSexual®! This is someone who we've wanted to talk to for a long time and were so excited to have on the show. So excited that we couldn't sleep and stayed up until 8 in the morning smoking and watching Millionaire Matchmaker while waiting for breakfast to be delivered so if we seem a little off, that's why lol. It was such a pleasure to spend time talking about our favorite subjects! Learn about how to have more powerful orgasms and hear about sensation play with cannabis products. Ashley even divulges a little about her kinky life. And find out about her favorite way to connect with a partner.  We could've chatted for many more hours but we'll save that for the next time we talk with Ashley. Strap yourselves in for an informative yet laughter-filled conversation.She is an award-winning sex educator and coach and has become a sought-after authority on mindfully combining sex and cannabis as part of her CannaSexual® brand. She recently completed her certification as a Bodysex® Facilitator after studying with legendary pleasure pioneer Betty Dodson. At the January 2020 XBiz Awards, Ashley was named Sexpert of the Year. Her work has received recognition in Forbes, The London Times, Newsweek, and Rolling Stone, and more. She is a brand ambassador for Sybian and Foria. Her new book, The CBD Solution: Sex will be published by Chronicle Books and Merry Jane in September 2020.Key topics: ● Ashley's first experience intentionally smoking and being raised in D.A.R.E. culture● Sativa vs. Indica and other myths debunked● Favorite strains and how to pick what's right for you● Some exciting ways to incorporate weed into your self care routine, sex, and food for all experience levels● Consent, kink and service for cannabis loversResources: ● Ashley's website: http://www.ashleymanta.com/● Follow Ashley on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/TheCannasexual● Follow Ashley on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cannasexual● DIY Cannabis Lube: http://www.ashleymanta.com/diycannabislube● Foria: https://www.foriawellness.com/● Sybian: http://www.sybian.com/● Preorder Ashley's new book, Merry Jane's The CBD Solution: Sex: https://www.chroniclebooks.com/products/merry-janes-the-cbd-solution-sex● Chris Sage, The Herbal Chef: https://twitter.com/the_herbal_chef● Andrew Mieure, Top Shelf Budtending: http://topshelfbudtending.com/● Velvet Swing: http://velvetswing.com/● Papa & Barkley: https://papaandbarkley.com/● Goop Lab, Episode 3: https://www.netflix.com/title/80244690● Katrina Marie, Bodysex online workshops: https://www.katrinamarie.com/register/bodysex-online● Elevated Intimacy Podcast: https://www.elevatedintimacypodcast.com/● Ashley's online courses: https://www.elevatedintimacy.com/● FREE 30 minute support call for black folks: https://app.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=19498278&appointmentType=14757772Calls to action: ● Be sure to leaves a review● Follow us on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/kiclounge● Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kicloungepodcast● Miss Mackenzee Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/MissMackenzee ● Miss Mackenzee Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/miss.mackenzee● Parker Leigh Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/MissParkerLeigh● Parker Leigh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/miss.parker.lSupport the show (https://www.Paypal.me/PhillyDR)

Maria Juzwin (a Women's Heart Guide) and Katrina Marie (a Sex Coach and Body Sex facilitator) explore Chapter 7 of the book "Deeper Dating" by Ken Page. In this episode, you will learn the skills that Ken offers regarding how to create more successful and aligned dates for yourself. We also dive into the topics of superficiality and dating as an Adult Child of an Alcoholic.A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approaching their dating lives from a conscious perspective. Maria Juzwin's InstagramVisit Maria's WebsiteKatrina Marie's InstagramVisit Katrina's WebsiteGet the Deeper Dating book

Maria Juzwin (a Women's Heart Guide) and Katrina Marie (a Sex Coach and Body Sex facilitator) explore Chapter 6 of the book "Deeper Dating", by Ken Page. In this chapter, the two share about a daily 5-minute practice that can change your dating life. As well as cover the topics of codependency, emotional neglect and setting boundaries.A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approaching their dating lives from a conscious perspective. Maria Juzwin's InstagramVisit Maria's WebsiteKatrina Marie's InstagramVisit Katrina's WebsiteGet the Deeper Dating book

Maria Juzwin (a personal empowerment coach) and Katrina Marie (a sex coach and Body Sex facilitator) go into Chapter 4 of the book "Deeper Dating", by Ken Page. In this chapter, the hosts do an inventory of the men they've dated and identify what shared qualities they have that support their core gifts versus the ones that reject them.A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approaching their dating lives from a conscious perspective. Get the Deeper Dating bookVisit Katrina's WebsiteVisit Maria's WebsiteMaria Juzwin's  InstagramKatrina Marie's Instagram

Maria Juzwin (a personal empowerment coach) and Katrina Marie (a sex coach and Body Sex facilitator) go into Chapter 4 of the book "Deeper Dating", by Ken Page. In this chapter we identify our dating patterns and when we are selecting partners who inspire us versus deprive us. We also share the stories of our first kisses. Would you date someone who you had to help kiss you better?A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approaching their dating lives from a conscious perspective. Get the Deeper Dating bookVisit Katrina's WebsiteVisit Maria's WebsiteMaria Juzwin's  InstagramKatrina Marie's Instagram

Maria Juzwin (a personal empowerment coach) and Katrina Marie (a sex coach and Body Sex facilitator) go into Chapter 3 of the book "Deeper Dating", by Ken Page. With a focus on loving yourself when dating, we talk about not being willing to sacrifice aspects of ourselves in relationships and the importance of honouring who we are.A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approaching their dating lives from a conscious perspective. Get the Deeper Dating bookVisit Katrina's WebsiteVisit Maria's WebsiteMaria's and the You Relationship podcast's InstagramKatrina Marie's InstagramSoul Self Sanctuary Webpage

In this episode, Maria and Katrina cover off core gifts, unconventional dating, and some of the shame they have carried into their dating lives. They also get into polyamory, exploring romantic relations with a friend, and a confronting experience Katrina and I had in our friendship.In this Deeper Dating series, a Sex Coach (Katrina Marie) and Personal Transformation Coach (Maria Juzwin) go into the lessons of the conscious dating book, Deeper Dating by Ken Page and talk about how they have applied to their own dating lives.For those seeking more self-compassion in their lives, check out the recorded meditations and reflection activities in the Self-Compassion Circle Guided Replay.Visit Katrina Marie's WebsiteFollow Katrina Marie on InstagramVisit Maria Juzwin's WebsiteFollow Maria Juzwin on InstagramFollow Maria Juzwin on Facebook

Welcome to the first episode of The You Relationship Podcast and the first episode of the Deeper Dating Series with Katrina Marie. In this series, we'll be going through the book Deeper Dating by Ken Page and sharing about the lessons we've learned and how they've applied to our dating lives. A powerful episode and series for those who are dating (and in relationships). Two single divorced women approaching their dating lives from a conscious perspective. In this episode, you'll learn about core gifts and the underlying principle for Ken's book.Get the Deeper Dating bookVisit Katrina's WebsiteVisit Maria's WebsiteMaria's and the You Relationship podcast's InstagramKatrina Marie's Instagram

Let's talk about the number one thing on people's minds other than COVID-19 – sex and sensuality – and if it's not, well, you might want to make it top of mind because the benefits of tapping into your sexuality, especially right now, are endless. Today we are honoured to have Rosie Rees with us all the way from Perth Australia to talk about sexuality, self-pleasure and sensuality as the secret to self-acceptance and stress relief. Rosie is the creator of Australia's #1 supplier of Yoni Eggs ‘Yoni Pleasure Palace', Founder of the Women's Nude Yoga Movement and leading sexuality coach for women.  In this episode we discuss: Rosie's sexual awakening  Yoni Eggs: what they are, how to use them, why they matter When you should start prioritizing your pelvic floor health Tapping into your sensuality to aid in stress relief  Getting naked – physically & non-physically – as the key to self-acceptance Nude yoga Normalizing nudity  Sensual eating What they don't tell you about IUDs Rachel's “missing” IUD  THE FILL YOUR CUP PODCAST AFTER SHOW Let's talk about sex, baby! Join us in The Fill Your Cup Podcast Online Community where you can debrief this episode in private with a network of trusted, like-minded women. JOIN NOW. THANKS TO OUR SPONSOR, Better Help Get the support of a professional licensed therapist to navigate any relationship or sexuality-related issues you are currently facing through Better Help – a world-wide, secure, online professional counselling service. Click here to try Better Help and save 10% off of your first month (exclusive offer to Fill Your Cup Podcast listeners) RESOURCES: Rosie Rees Instagram @rosie.rees Rosie Rees Website (rosierees.com) SHOP Yoni Pleasure Palace FREE 5 Day Yoni Egg Immersion Golden Yoni Membership Join Rosie's FREE private Facebook group: Yoni Palace (womxn only) Episode 36: What Can Happen In Your Life When You Start Asking For What You Want In The Bedroom Episode 49 Fill Your Cup Podcast: Living Your Most Orgasmic Life with Katrina Marie

There are very few people in the online sphere speaking so openly about sex, sexuality and masturbation like Katrina Marie of @myorgasmiclife is. Since the response from Episode 36 with Kathryn Ducey where we talked about What Can Happen In Your Life When You Start Asking For What You Want In The Bedroom was such a hit, we're keeping the conversation going and diving into things even deeper (no pun intended