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Ep. 140: Finding the Future Together This week Danielle recaps the 2025 TYA/USA National Festival and Conference with guests Brian Fahey, Ashli St. Armant, and Sarah McCarthy. They dig into some of the best professional development sessions, major takeaways around audience investment, pay what you wish models, meeting student needs as teaching artists, seeing new work, advocacy, and more. The TYA/USA National Festival and Conference is the largest gathering of professionals in the field of theater for young audiences, featuring diverse performances, speakers, breakout sessions and opportunities to exchange ideas (https://www.tyausa.org/). Brian Fahey is the Senior Director of Education at Austin Theatre Alliance (https://www.austintheatre.org/). Ashli St. Armant is an author, songwriter, playwright, vocalist, and educator, known for her work as Jazzy Ash and NORTH: The Musical (https://ashlistarmant.com/). Sarah McCarthy is the founder of Dandelion Artists, an agency that connects young audiences with authentic performances that speak to the childhood experience (https://www.dandelionartists.com/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 139: Broadway's Biggest Night – Voting for the Tonys The lights are bright on Broadway as Katie and Josh learn all about the Tony Awards from Broadway producer Rashad Chambers and the Wharton Center's Eric Olmscheid, who both serve as Tonys voters. We discuss seeing 42 shows in a season, the voting process, Tonys marketing and press, the role the Tonys play in the larger theater industry landscape, and more. We even make some 2025 awards predictions! Rashad V. Chambers is a Tony Award-winning Broadway and film producer, currently nominated for the show Purpose (https://www.esquireentertainment.com/). Eric Olmscheid is the Executive Director of the Wharton Center for Performing Arts in East Lansing, MI (https://www.whartoncenter.com/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 138 Christopher Kendrick-Castanho: Full Circle Moment We're headed to Broadway this week as Danielle and Bryan talk about the Broadway League's 2025 Spring Road Conference and arts marketing with guest Christopher Kendrick-Castanho. Christopher shares about social media and influencer marketing, some of the rising challenges in the Broadway touring industry, and turns the tables on Danielle and hosts his own game! Christopher Kendrick-Castanho is a Marketing Manager for The Bushnell in Hartford, CT (https://bushnell.org/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 137 The Pod Goes “Wildcard” It's a “choose your own adventure” discussion as Katie borrows this week's format (with tweaks) from the NPR podcast “Wildcard” and our hosts select their questions from a deck of notecards. We reflect on our work, our current challenges, what's bringing us joy...and the time machine is back! Share your own answers with us via social media or email us a voice note via our website. Thanks to Wildcard with Rachel Martin for the inspiration and we hope you check it out: https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510379/wild-card-with-rachel-martin Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 136 State of the Arts: Montana Edition!   This week, Katie sits down with the head of a presenters consortium, the head of a state arts council, and the head of a performing arts center, all from the State of Montana, in our first ever episode focused on one singular state. They discuss how presenting in Montana is different, funding concerns, the Yellowstone Effect, and more. Emily Wolfram is the Executive Director of the Montana Performing Arts Consortium (https://www.mtperformingarts.org/) Krys Holmes is the Executive Director of the Montana Arts Council (https://art.mt.gov/) Benji Cosgrove is the Executive Director of The Myrna Loy (https://themyrnaloy.com/) Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 135 Arts Data Redefined- The Conversation This week the Pod Squad shares their thoughts on Josh's conversation with Angela Meleca, Founder and Chief Advocate Officer of Meleca Creative Associates (https://www.melecacreative.com/). They share their thoughts on the Return on Arts concept and more. If you have not listened to that interview, please listen to Episode 134, first. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 134 Angela Meleca: Arts Data Redefined This week Josh shares his conversation with Angela Meleca, and our hosts opt to save their commentary until next week so our listeners can sit with this one a bit longer. Angela shares her journey to where she is now, spending more time on her true passion, the Return on Art (ROA). Angela also shares how she is leading a cohort to measure the social, emotional, and public value of the arts and their impact on well-being. Angela Meleca is the Founder and Chief Advocate Officer of Meleca Creative Associates (https://www.melecacreative.com/). She is also the host of the ARTS Redefined podcast. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.  

Ep. 133 What Keeps You Up? This week Barron Ryan and Jacob Deaton join Katie, Josh, and Danielle to talk about the industry and what keeps them up at night. Don't worry, it's not all doom and gloom, what's keeping these folks up are big ideas! To learn more about our guests, you can listen to their full interviews: Ep. 35 Jacob Deaton: Work Hard and Be Patient Ep. 60 Barron Ryan: The Evidence of Beauty Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 132 Michelle Grove Herzog: There Is Not a Linear Path This week Danielle sits down with Michelle Grove Herzog to talk about going from a musician (violin) to consultant and Director of the Arts Admin Program and the University of Arizona. She shares conversations about board management, fiscal sponsorships, grants and more. The Pod Squad talks about their interactions with grantmaking, boards, and more. Michelle Grove Herzog is an independent non-profit consultant and the Director of the Arts Administration Program at the University of Arizona. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 131 Mark Ross and Erika Finley: Does Your Board Reflect Your Community? Josh finally asks the important question, what would our hosts name their bands! Then he shares his conversation with Mark Ross and Erica Finley when they spoke at APAP 2025. Mark and Erika share how they got started in the arts, the interesting history of Community Concert Associations, volunteerism, and more. Mark Ross and Erika Finley work for Live on Stage (https://www.liveonstage.biz/), Live Arts and Attractions (https://www.livearts.biz/), and Matt Davenport Productions (https://mattdavenportproductions.com/) wearing multiple hats including agent, marketing, and national sales. Volunteerism article we mentioned: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2024/11/civic-engagement-and-volunteerism.html Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 129 Alex Morgan is Silencio Pantomimo: From the County Fair to Paris This week Bryan sits down with professional mime, Alex Morgan. Alex shares how he got into the art form, running away to Paris, and finding his character, Silencio Pantomimo. The interview really takes off when Alex allows Bryan to interview Silencio and we learn how we went from busking in Paris to touring internationally. Alex Morgan is a professional mime, known best for his work as Silencio Pantomimo. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod   Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 128 Bracket Madness:  What Our Industry Can Learn From Sports Marketing.  This week the hosts go all in on March Madness sharing their prowess and knowledge of College Basketball, which does not take long so they move onto what our industry can learn from sports, more specifically sports marketing. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi

Ep. 127 What's Happening in D.C.? This week Kevin, Josh, and Katie discuss Ep. 126 with James Shapiro, and connect it to what is happening with the Kennedy Center and the National Endowment for the Arts in 2025. They dive into some practical and philosophical questions surrounding the politicization of two national arts entities and potential impacts on the live performing arts field. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

BONUS: James Shapiro working on Broadway's Othello This week's episode had too much for one episode! Enjoy this excerpt that was cut for time where James Shapiro talks about his work on performances, specifically Othello featuring Denzel Washington. James Shapiro (https://www.jamesshapiro.net/) is the author “THE PLAYBOOK: A Story of Theatre, Democracy, and The Making of a Culture War.” Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 126 “The Playbook” with Author James Shapiro This week Katie is joined by author, professor, and Shakespeare Scholar in Residence at the Public Theatre, James Shapiro. They talk about Shapiro's new book “THE PLAYBOOK: A Story of Theatre, Democracy, and The Making of a Culture War” which is the story of the start and end of the Federal Theatre Project in the 1930s. Shapiro shares how this reflects our current time. James Shapiro's (https://www.jamesshapiro.net/) essays and reviews have appeared in the New York Times, the New Yorker, The Guardian, the London Review of Books, and many more. He has been awarded fellowships from the National Endowment for the Humanities, the Guggenheim Foundation, The New York Public Library Cullman Center for Scholars and Writers, and the American Academy in Berlin. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 125 The State of Development with Lori L. Jacobwith This week, Kevin sits down with fundraising professional Lori L. Jacobwith to talk about the changing development landscape. Lori shares her top 5 things you can do right now and gives insight into the world of philanthropy. If you want to go deeper on the topic with Lori, you can check out her webinar with GrantStation on April 1: https://grantstation.com/product/how-fundraise-during-times-fear-and-uncertainty Lori L. Jacobwith is the Founder of Ignited Fundraising (https://ignitedfundraising.com/). The sweet spot of her work is to help organizations put a face on their impact by sharing inspiring, ethical mission moment stories. For more than 35 years Lori has had a laser focus on helping nonprofit staff & board members implement fundraising solutions that put ease and joy into raising money. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 124 Of, By, and For Community – A Discussion about Community Engagement This week Katie invites industry leaders Donna Walker-Kuhne, Gary Minyard, and Marisol Sánchez-Best to discuss community engagement – a broad term that touches many facets of our industry. This delightful conversation between colleagues and friends just scratches the surface as they discuss language, metrics, internal communication and collaboration, arts as medicine, and more. Marisol Sánchez-Best is the Director of Education & Community Engagement at Seattle Theatre Group in Seattle, WA. Gary Minyard is the Chief Creative Officer at Dayton Live in Dayton, OH and serves on the board of Heartland Performing Arts. Donna Walker-Kuhne is the founder of Walker International Communications Group and the Senior Advisor of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion for New Jersey Performing Arts Center in Newark, NJ. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 123 What's Next? The Pod Goes Rogue The Pod Squad has been hosting the most amazing podcast (we know we're biased!) for over two years – and it's time to shake up the format. Listen for what's next for There's No Business Like... and give us your feedback via our audience survey! We'd love to hear your ideas for topics, guests, and more. Fill out the survey here: https://forms.gle/najC47yc8ZfmVHKd9 Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 122 What Now? Our Current Moment in the Arts This week we discuss the current state of the arts in early February 2025 and identify a few of the many challenges ahead for our field, including the strain on arts workers after recovering from the pandemic, as well as how we can stand together moving forward. As some of our podcast friends say, things may have changed by the time you hear this. The litigation tracker mentioned in this episode from the Reiss Center on Law and Security can be found at https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/. Artnet is also documenting the impact on the arts: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/trump-executive-orders-arts-2605142. Arts Action Fund FAQ: https://www.artsactionfund.org/executive-orders-their-impact-arts-faq This episode contains some adult language (and lots of laughs at the end – enjoy!) Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 121 Live from MAX – State of the Industry   This week we share the final episode recorded at the Midwest Arts Xpo in 2024.   Our guests: Lauren Jelencovich, Artist Kris Kaminski, ECE Touring Andy McGuire, George Daily Community Auditorium Lisa Rock, Lisa Rock Entertainment Marc Baylin, Penn Live Arts and Collins Center for the Arts Sara Beatty, Kauffman Center for the Arts Maggie McClure, Artist (The Imaginaries) Jeff Laramie, SRO Artists Christine Cox, C-Squared Entertainment Carson Brimm, Marion Cultural and Civic Center Miles Brooks, Magic of Bill Blagg   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod   Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 120 Melanie Weir: They Don't All Become Artists This week our hosts talk about obscure reports they gave in school, most of which involved dressing up as historical figures. Katie shares her conversation with Melanie Weir from the Western Arts Alliance Conference. Melanie shares the incredible work happening at the Luther Burbank Center for the Arts, how she got started in the arts, the impact of arts programming on youth, and so much more. Melanie Wier is the Associate Director of Education and Community Engagement at the Luther Burbank Center for the Arts (https://lutherburbankcenter.org/) and is the Board President of California Presenters (https://www.calpresenters.org/). Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 119 APAP Recap 2025 This week Katie hosts a conversation with the PodSquad on their time in NYC at APAP 2025.  We talk Broadway, showcases, and conference hot topics! Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 118 Chad Lindsey: Togetherness is Our Strength   On this episode, we learn what song our hosts would choose as their walkout music, and Katie sits down with fellow Michigander Chad Lindsey. As a new arts Executive Director, Chad shares insights into his first year and how he has connected with his community. Chad also puts to rest the idea that you can't get a lot done in year one. Chad Lindsey is the Executive Director of City Opera House (https://www.cityoperahouse.org/) in Traverse City, Michigan. This episode contains some adult language. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.  

Ep. 117 Censorship with Gail Boyd and Jade Solomon Curtis   This week Kevin shares his conversation with Gail Boyd and Jade Solomon Curtis following a townhall event on censorship at the Western Arts Alliance in August, 2024. Censorship is a complex topic, and this conversation only scratches the surface.   Gail Boyd is President of Gail Boyd Artist Management (https://gailboyd.com/). Jade Solomon Curtis (https://www.jadesolomon.com/) is a dance artist and choreographer represented by Siegel Artist Management.   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod   Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 116 NBL Rewind Josh Benson: Making Time   We've rewound alllll the way back to Josh's interview from July 19, 2023 in our final episode of our holiday Rewind series. Danielle visits Josh and catches up on his latest developments, including painting some amazing murals in Marion and cutting back on his 27 gigs…by 1.   Join Danielle and Kevin as they sit down with fellow host, Josh Benson. Josh answers the hard-hitting questions like which one of the seven dwarves he identifies most with and what prank he wants to pull on his fellow host. Eventually, Josh shares the journey from theatre to autobody work and back to theatre, his change In leadership style, the impressive arts driven growth in Marion, IL, his family, and so much more. Some of his mural work can be found here: http://marionmurals.com/   Josh Benson is the Executive Director of the Marion Cultural and Civic Center (https://marionccc.com/) in Marion, Illinois. Josh is also a muralist, father, and 1/5 of the There's No Business Like podcast team.   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod   Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 115 NBL Rewind: Katie Trzaska-Miller: Creating Connections   This week we rewind back to September 2023 and our chat with Pod Host Katie Trzaska-Miller! Danielle checks in with Katie and they catch up on her new business, aptly named Michigan Maven Creative Associates, taking our own advice, and the joy of getting back on stage.   Danielle and Kevin continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, and this week we learn about our fellow host, Katie Trzaska-Miller. After a quick game of “How Pure Michigan is She?”, Katie shares her origin story starting as a dancer at a young age and eventually managing a historic theatre on her own at the age of 23. Katie also shares her passion for her community, connecting colleagues, educating and bringing up the next generation, and having tough conversations about equity.   Katie Trzaska-Miller is the founder of Michigan Maven Creative Associates (www.michiganmaven.art) an arts admin and consulting firm. Katie is also a mother, an active member of her community (both locally and in the arts community), and 1/5 of the There's No Business Like podcast team.   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod   Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 114 Holidays Holidays and Ask Us Anything   This week the Podsquad gets together at Danielle's house for another holiday party!  The shenanigans are top notch as we take listener questions and talk about our favorite holiday traditions.   We wish you a safe and happy holiday season and thank you for continuing to join us week after week!   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod   Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.  

Ep. 113 NBL Rewind: Danielle Van Hook: Comforting, Yet Challenging In this week's rewind Katie lady-chats with Danielle and learns what she's been up to lately, including facilitating a world premiere at the Alden and engaging the art of making memories on family vacations. In this episode we continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, this week Bryan and Katie sit down with Danielle, and finally put her in the hot seat! We learn about the journey that led her to arts administration, where her passion for DEIA comes from and why it's important to her, how she programs entertainment and keeps it accessible, and so much more. Danielle also shares her love of the Pocahontas Project (https://www.pocahontasproject.org/) and the podcast Seeing White (https://sceneonradio.org/seeing-white/) . Danielle Van Hook is the Director of Youth Programs at The Alden Theatre in McLean, Virginia (https://mcleancenter.org/about/visit/the-alden-theatre/). Danielle is also a mother of twins, an ally, and 1/5 of the There's No Business Like podcast team. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 112 NBL Rewind: Bryan Zellmer: Don't Be Afraid to Show Your Silliness The rewinds continue as we get some big updates and news from Bryan! In this episode we continue our special series of interviewing members of our team, and this week Katie and Josh sit down with Bryan. Bryan shares his journey from marketing director to arts admin, how his programming style has shifted as our ecosystem changes, the pitfalls of “quality” art, and his passion for collaboration in every aspect of his life. He also shows off his natural storytelling skills sharing vulnerable, heartwarming, and hilarious parts of his life.   Bryan Zellmer is the Executive Director of The Bardavon and Ulster Performing Arts Centers (https://www.bardavon.org/) and former Director of KU Presents! at Kutztown University (https://www.kutztown.edu/about-ku/administrative-offices/ku-presents.html) Bryan is also a father, a mentor, and 1/5 of the There's No Business Like podcast team.   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 111 NBL Rewind: Kevin Maynard: People Come First With so many life changes and new listeners, we thought the holidays would be a good time to revisit our Interpodsquad interviews and reintroduce ourselves! Danielle gets the fresh scoop and we re-enjoy Bryan and Josh's interview with the incomparable Kevin Maynard. We learn about Kevin's surprising (but unsurprisingly wholesome) first foray into live performance, how his business and accounting background gave him a firm foundation as an arts leader, and Kevin's philosophies around taking on challenges and supporting his staff. The Mystery of the Mustache is also revealed! And Danielle, per usual, continues to torture Kevin. Kevin L. Maynard is the Executive Director for Opening Nights at Florida State University (https://openingnights.fsu.edu/ ) and former Executive Director of Quad City Arts, splitting the border between Iowa and Illinois (www.quadcityarts.com). He is also an avid runner, community theater actor, lover of spreadsheets, and 1/5 of the There's No Business Like podcast team.   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

Ep. 110 Lenore Naxon: The Only Constant is Change This week the PodSquad dreams about what to do with a magical pot of money for extra programming, which leads to Katie's conversation with friend and mentor Lenore Naxon. Lenore dives into nuances of board management, leading in the presenter consortium space, and how changes in the industry present challenges and opportunities. Lenore Naxon is the founder of Naxon Consulting (https://naxonconsulting.com/) and co-chair of the Presenters Leadership Consortium. She is also the pod's Biggest Fan!   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 109 Phil Esparza: Challenges Not Barriers This week we bring you an unexpected interview from our time at the 2024 WAA Conference. Bryan has the honor and pleasure of sitting down with Phil Esparza of El Teatro Campesino, the legendary Chicano theater company. We discuss the company's history and legacy, community engagement, and trace Phil's career from college student to performer to collegiate presenter. Phil Esparza is the Executive Producer of El Teatro Campesino (https://elteatrocampesino.com/). The company celebrates its 60th anniversary in 2025. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 108: Live from MAX – Are Audiences Back? This week our hosts go back in time without the time machine (thanks, Kevin!) to when we first started presenting shows inside again after pandemic closures, and then our guests from the expo hall floor at MAX bring different perspectives on engaging with audiences in this moment to the conversation. We dig into the future of opera and classical music audiences, engaging “young” audiences now for the future, and the impact of social media and other platforms on the monetary value of live performing arts.   Our guests this week are: Bob Wendland, Assistant Director, Washington Pavilion Management Maddy Ringo, Singer-songwriter Bill Blagg, Illusionist   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 107 Live from MAX – Reflections on Equity in the Field This week Kevin shares some great news and our hosts think they are hay-larious before diving into the serious topic of changes in equity in our field. Our guests at the Midwest Arts Xpo discuss slow shifts in programming and the hierarchical structures that impede progress, and we dig deep into just a few of the challenges with contracting. Our guests this week are: Sarah Haag, Artist Wallace Thomas, Artist, Ball in the House Clare Longendyke, Pianist Karoline Myers, Director of Education, Des Moines Performing Arts Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 106 Paul Sage Cannon: Be Brave Enough to Believe in Yourself This week our hosts get a bit philosophical before we listen to Danielle's conversation with singer-songwriter Paul Sage Cannon from our time at the 2024 Western Arts Alliance Conference. Paul shares how his personal history informs his songwriting, how the weight of being a culture barer is both painful and joyful at the same time, and reminds us that music is a healing artform. Paul Sage Cannon ( https://paulsagecannon.com/ ) is a singer-songwriter from the Waipuk Clan, a part of the Kumeyaay Nation. He is also a certified Native Healer and speaks on Native healing, philosophy, cultural education. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 105 Eric Olmscheid: Make Room to Dream Whoohoo! This week the Quad Producers celebrate our two-year anniversary! We are so grateful for everyone's support of this endeavor and for sticking with us week after week, listening and laughing with us. This week Katie speaks with Eric Olmscheid about his journey from farm kid to arts administrator, staying focused on what's important, and keeping audiences curious.   Eric Olmscheid is the Executive Director of Wharton Center for Performing Arts on the campus of Michigan State University (https://www.whartoncenter.com) and the Board Vice President of Heartland Performing Arts, which administers the Midwest Arts Xpo (https://midwestartsxpo.org).   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 104 Live from MAX – The Cost of Touring and Merch Splits  We're bringing you round 2 of our mini-interviews from the 2024 Midwest Arts Xpo featuring five more guests discussing the costs and challenges of touring today. Our hosts also have a spirited discussion about merch splits and the changing financial pressures of the industry (but Kevin is somehow the eternal optimist?) You can find the Pitchfork article referenced in the episode here: https://pitchfork.com/features/article/artist-merch-cuts-venues/. Our guests this week are: Helen Welch, Vocalist/Producer, Big Wow Productions Pat Hazell, Chief Creative Officer, Sweetwood Creative Patrick Donelly, Vice President of Theater Operations, Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts Zak Mirz, Magician & Storyteller Ella McAndrew, Director of Programming, The FIM   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 103 Live from MAX – The Art of Curation   The Pod Squad (including Bryan's double, Bry-Bacca) was lucky enough to spend a week at the 2024 Midwest Arts Xpo and record interviews live once again in the expo hall! This week we bring you five mini-interviews and our own commentary on the topic of curation as we look forward to planning the 25-26 season. Our guests this week are: Gary Minyard, Chief Creative Officer, Dayton Live Sarah Saltwick, Agent, Holden & Arts Associates Joshua Kane, Artist/Producer, Wild Baboo Productions Eric Matters, Director, Warren Performing Arts Center Jeremy Davis, Artist, The Fabulous Equinox Orchestra   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).  

Ep 102: We ❤️ Conferences! The Pod Squad has finished the sprint that is the start of conference season and we're pausing to reflect on our time at the 2024 Western Arts Alliance Conference and Midwest Arts Xpo. We discuss our differing experiences of conferencing over the course of our careers, what we love about evolving conference models and what is going well, and consider how conferences can shift to meet the current needs of our industry and look to the future. What is certain is that conference planning and execution is a big job, so we encourage you to serve on a committee or offer your expertise to help build our conference ecosystem! Josh will still be attending IEBA October 5 - 8, If you are attending, stop him and say hello.   To learn more about some of the conferences we discuss in this episode you can visit: APAP: https://apap365.org/conference/ IEBA: https://www.ieba.org/conference-info-1 MAX: https://midwestartsxpo.org/ WAA: https://www.westarts.org/conference   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).  

Ep. 101 Taína Lyons: Don't Say No To Yourself This week most of the crew as at the Midwest Arts Xpo, but we aren't too busy to share conversations in the industry! This week our hosts talk about moments that were meant to be and Katie sits down with professional dancer Taina Lyons to talk about training as a young dancer, the life of a dancer, and advocating for yourself in a professional space.  Taina Lyons (@dancingrunner5 on Instagram) is a NYC based dancer currently dancing with the Mark Morris Dance Group.  Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 100 Peter Noone: Watch Every Act It's our ONE HUNDREDTH EPISODE and to celebrate Josh sits down with a living legend, Peter Noone! Peter shares stories of his incredible (and still going) career. Our host share their 100 favorite things and dream of booking the bills of the 60s.  Don't forget you can see us at MAX in booth #512 Peter Noone (https://peternoone.com/) is a multi talented entertainer known best for Herman's Hermits Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 99 Colleen Jennings-Roggensack – Part 2:  Must Have Passion Welcome back to Part 2 of Bryan's conversation with Colleen Jennings-Roggensack; while you can listen to this as a standalone episode, we would recommend starting with Part 1. This week Colleen talks about EDIA, creating the New Deal for Broadway (https://www.blacktheatreunited.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/BTU-New-Deal-For-Broadway.pdf), bringing children to the theatre, and more. Colleen Jennings-Roggensack is the Executive Director of ASU Gammage (https://www.asugammage.com/). She is the Vice Chair of the Road for the Broadway League Board of Governors, the only Tony Awards voter in the state of Arizona, serves on the Black Theatre United Summit, and is a founding member of the Creative Capital Board and Senior Advisor to Women of Color in the Arts, and has been involved in numerous other national arts organizations.

Ep. 98 Colleen Jennings-Roggensack – Part 1: Broaden Your Horizon's to be a Success This week our hosts are on the road recording in person at the Western Arts Alliance (WAA) Conference! It is also the first two-parter, because this week's guest is a true rockstar in our industry, and a recent Tony Award Honoree. Colleen Jennings-Roggensack shares stories, insights, and lessons learned from her incredible career. Colleen Jennings-Roggensack is the Executive Director of ASU Gammage (https://www.asugammage.com/). She is the Vice Chair of the Road for the Broadway League Board of Governors, the only Tony Awards voter in the state of Arizona, serves on the Black Theatre United Summit, and is a founding member of the Creative Capital Board and Senior Advisor to Women of Color in the Arts, and has been involved in numerous other national arts organizations. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod  Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 97 Gretchen Shope: Defying My Own Expectations Katie sits down with fellow Michigander and JIMMY AWARD WINNER, Gretchen Shope! Gretchen shares her passion for the performing arts, her gratefulness for her arts education, and gives us a peak backstage of the Jimmy Awards. Don't forget you can see our hosts at the Western Arts Alliance Conference next week! You can also see us at MAX in booth #512 Gretchen Shope is the 2024 Jimmy Award (https://www.jimmyawards.com/) winner for Best Performance by an Actress. You can see her award-winning performance here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF1Z5c9ZtJk Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod  Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 96 Randy Cohen: Make the Arts Unavoidable  This week Kevin sits down with his Arts Hero, Randy Cohen to talk about how the arts impact our lives with a heavy focus on the economic impact. Randy shares how he got started in the arts and helps our listeners to advocate for the arts. Our hosts share arts moments along with some exciting news, that we are coming to the Western Arts Alliance Conference! Randy Cohen is the Vice President of Research at Americans for the Arts. Randy and his team led the Arts and Economic Prosperity 6 study. Local, State, and National data can be found here: https://aep6.americansforthearts.org/ Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 95 Stephanie Mayers: Leave Space for What's Possible This week our hosts kick off the conversation talking about the great, boring, or weird PR they've gotten in the past, probably because they didn't have Stephanie Mayers as their publicist. Stephanie talks with Danielle about being a part of the emergence and growth of the contemporary family music scene, running her own business, and gives us the 101 on what a publicist actually does. Stephanie Mayers is the founder of Mayers Consulting (http://www.mayersconsulting.com/), an artist management, public relations, and booking firm. Oh! And Katie has some exciting news! She left her job for another cool job and is also starting a cool business of her own – Michigan Maven Creative Associates! Learn more at https://www.michiganmaven.art/. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod    Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 94 Heather Augustine: Bother Me    Katie and Josh sit down with Heather Augustine, the head audio technician on the Tony Award-winning musical, The Outsiders. Heather gives insight into the audio side of the performing arts, shares her story of being a female in a largely male dominated role, how to take care of yourself on tour, and much more! Our hosts talk about women working backstage and how much (or how little) has changed, hiring bias, and what they would do if they won a Tony – spoilers, lots of ego :) Heather Augustine is a Mixer for The Outsiders on Broadway (https://outsidersmusical.com/). She has spent her career on the audio side of theatre, and writes for SoundGirls (https://soundgirls.org/category/blog/heather-augustine/) a site established to provide women working in professional audio a community to come to for support, advice, empowerment, and inspiration.     Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod    Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 93 Eleanor and Ian Carney: Copy That, Thank You The Pod Squad is back! Our hosts share what they have been up to for the past six weeks before Bryan shares his conversation with husband-and-wife team, Eleanor and Ian Carney. They share their journey to creating Lightwire Theater, working together as a couple, and the importance of learning other skills in the industry. Eleanor and Ian Carney joint direct, manage, choreograph Lightwire Theater (https://www.lightwiretheater.com/). Lightwire Theater is a unique entertainment experience that utilizes light, technology, and music to tell captivating stories.   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod    Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi (@VicDaviMusic).

Ep. 92:  How to Mentor with Ally Haynes-Hamblin and Larry Kosson As conference season fast approaches, the NBL team has another episode to help prepare you. Mentorship may not feel like a conference prep episode, but the NBL team would like to encourage more people to participate in conference mentorship whether as a mentor (for our experienced conference attendees) or a mentee (for those new to a conference). Kevin sits down with friends of the show and experienced mentors, Ally Haynes-Hamblin and Larry Kosson where they share tips and tricks for both potential mentors and mentees. Ally Haynes-Hamblin is the Executive Director of the Charles W. Eisemann Center for Performing Arts in Richardson, Texas (https://www.eisemanncenter.com/). Ally is also a board member for the Association of Performing Arts Professionals (APAP). Larry Kosson is the Founder and President of Kosson Talent (https://kossontalent.com)   Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod

NBL UPDATE: How We Conference! Volume 2  This year we wanted to give our listeners more time to plan for their conference season, so this one is coming at you earlier in the year. We have also included a representative from the Western Arts Alliance, Heartland Performing Arts, Inc. (Midwest Arts Xpo), and the Association of Performing Arts Professionals, to tell you why you should attend conferences and what you can look forward to. PLEASE NOTE: While the team will be at MAX, the booth number mentioned is from 2023, at MAX 2024 find us at booth 512! We are fast approaching conference season, and in the episode our hosts talk about their approach to conferencing. Choosing your conference, what to do before you attend, while you are there, and even following up. They even cover some tips on what to pack so you are prepared! You can find highlights, advice, and links in a PDF on our website: https://nobusinesslike.com/ Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.

NBL Rewind: Michael Mushalla: Be Curious. Don't Be Afraid.  Bryan takes us back to his and Kevin's conversation with Michael Mushalla. Bryan reflects on how the summit created by Michael brought the hosts together, and how it encouraged him to show his true self and to think differently.  This week's episode is another special one! It highlights Michael Mushalla who introduced our hosts, and helped us all think differently about what comes next.  Michael Mushalla is the Owner and Founder of Double M Arts & Events, LLC (https://double-m-arts.com/), as well as a wine consultant. Michael Mushalla along with Christine Cox created “The Summit” that brought the hosts of “There's No Business Like...” together.  Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod